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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What'd you bring to us today, buddy?
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I'm looking it up here, and tradition tells me
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that since we're still in February.
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Oh, that's true.
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You got to go first.
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All right.
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Well, then I will go first.
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And My Bright Spot is about something
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that's not in February.
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What?
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My Bright Spot is about something
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that is coming up shortly, and that is motherfucking baseball.
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Oh, OK.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh.
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World Baseball Classic.
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Crack out of the bat.
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World Baseball Classic is playing again this year.
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Is that before the season?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What does that entail?
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Well, every few years, I think it's three for whatever reason,
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a bunch of countries play baseball
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in a big tournament called the World Baseball Classic.
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And it's funny because there are some countries who are really,
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really good at baseball.
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And then there's like Great Britain, who is like,
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we've never even really seen a baseball before.
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But they all get to play together.
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It's fantastic.
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Sure.
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It's fantastic to watch some people get really confused
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about the rules of the game.
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So I'm guessing that the United States is probably pretty good.
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Very good.
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Probably going to win it.
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Probably some Caribbean countries.
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Tons of them.
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Very good.
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Very good.
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Very good.
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Yeah.
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That's fun.
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It's kind of like the Olympics.
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It is.
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But for baseball.
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But for baseball.
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But for baseball.
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What percentage of the people who are playing in that
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are also in the MLB?
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I would say across, there's like, I don't know,
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maybe 24 or 32 teams, something like that.
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I would say maybe 47% to 60% of them
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are full-on already major league players.
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If you add people who've done a little bit of time, people
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who've had a cup of coffee, I'd probably say about 80%.
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Something like that.
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And then would you say that the 20% are young, up-and-comers
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who are going to be in the MLB?
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Or are they, here's what I'm imagining.
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And it's not this.
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Here's what's important.
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OK.
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Is right?
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OK.
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Imagine some people who maybe shouldn't play any sports,
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professionally or otherwise, allowed
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to play in this tournament.
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OK.
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That's the other 20%.
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OK.
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People who are like, you are the best beer league softball
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player in all of your country, and now you're hitting eighth.
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So it is kind of like the Royal Rumble,
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where there will be like surprise entrance.
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100%.
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Really mix things up.
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Absolutely.
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There will be darlings.
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There will be people, because the first round
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is round robin.
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So you get to play at least a few games.
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And if you're watching the whole thing,
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you'll see somebody will be like,
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I am a fan of that guy, because I don't know if he can run.
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I don't know if he can do it.
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He stands very still great, though.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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Well, that sounds fun.
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I'm excited for you.
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And baseball season, people starting to play,
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that means that it's going to be warmer a little bit.
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It's going to get warmer.
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That's nice.
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Fingers crossed.
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Yeah.
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What's your February bright spot?
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Well, my February bright spot is something that
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might have happened in February.
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I don't know.
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OK.
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It was back in the 80s.
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All right.
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And that is an episode of MacGyver that I watched.
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OK.
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All right.
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I got to tell you about this.
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What is about it?
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There is no kissing.
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OK.
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But the episode ends so close to a kiss.
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MacGyver almost kisses a ship captain.
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And it's real close.
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It's implied they might go on a date.
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That's fun.
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Yes.
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OK.
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All right.
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So here's what happens.
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Yeah.
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That lady that I said MacGyver might have been on a date with
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because he's playing the air table hockey thing.
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I think that's his landlord.
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And she was back.
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All right.
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I think she's a recurring character that
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is going to come up.
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And she's fun.
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She's fine.
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No kissing.
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MacGyver gets a call from his handler guy,
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who he works for, unclear.
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There's a bomb on a boat.
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And there's a guy named the Viking,
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who has planted this bomb.
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All right.
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And is brilliant.
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It's such a good bomb.
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So we got to get MacGyver out there
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to take care of this bomb that's on the boat.
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No other bomb diffusers have a shot against the Viking.
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Well, hold on to your hat.
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All right.
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So they can't get people off this boat
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because they're heading for a storm.
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So if they put out life rafts, all those people would be dead.
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So they have to stay on the boat.
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Right.
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Bad luck.
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Bad luck.
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Yeah.
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So they can't airlift people in or out,
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but they can get MacGyver in.
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So they're going to send MacGyver in.
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As he's showing up to get debriefed,
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who should he run into but his bomb diffusing
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buddy from Vietnam?
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The two of them served in Nam together as bomb diffusers,
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which I did not know.
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I did not know this was part of his story.
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That is a huge back story upgrade.
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Yeah.
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So on the last episode with Robert England,
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we learned that he was in the science club in college
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and then broke up with his very serious girlfriend.
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That went straight to Nam.
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No, because in that episode, he went to go fuck around
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on a boat in Greece.
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OK, fair enough.
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But somewhere he went to Nam and was an amazing bomb diffuser
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guy, along with his best buddy, who he runs into going
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to the debriefing.
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They're both enlisted to come onto this ship
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to take care of these bombs.
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I'm saying that might be too many cooks in the kitchen.
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From what I understand, MacGyver works best alone.
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If anything, partners usually make him work twice as hard
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to account for them.
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And they don't really last too long.
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This guy blows up.
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Yeah, that's he very was he wearing a red shirt?
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No.
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But OK, so you find out they get on the boat.
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They start looking at this bomb.
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We find out there's two bombs.
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So the two of them have to split up, one taking care
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of each bomb.
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MacGyver's buddy gets a little bit too eager,
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blows up the bomb.
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He's dead.
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Somehow that doesn't impact the boat.
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I was going to say, that seems very important to the boat's
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continued survival.
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But I guess not only did you need one massive bomb
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to go off, but you needed two at the exact same spot
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on either side of the ship.
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So yeah, they're like, we contained the damage.
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Everything is fine.
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Why not?
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But also, we lost your best friend from Vietnam.
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Well, what are you going to do?
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What are you going to do?
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He blew himself up.
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So now MacGyver's like, all right,
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I got to figure out how to take care of this bomb.
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Now it's just me, I guess.
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And then we find out there's a third bomb.
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Oh, fuck.
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So now he has to talk the captain of the boat, who,
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I forgot there's a fourth bomb.
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OK.
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There was a warning bomb that went off
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at the beginning of this episode.
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Well, that's a polite bomb.
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And that killed the captain of the boat.
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So the captain, who is now the captain, was the deputy captain.
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Sure, first mate.
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Right.
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And so she's in over her head.
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Wow.
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But MacGyver enlists her to deal with the last remaining bomb.
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The two of them are going to diffuse this thing.
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They figure it all out.
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They save the boat.
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And it turns out that Viking is the bomb specialist who's
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at the headquarters talking them through.
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He was behind it the whole time.
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Oh, man.
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Woof, that's no good.
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No, not really.
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No.
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It was unsatisfying.
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I bet somebody in the writers room
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was like, we're going to have a lady ship's captain.
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And everybody applauded.
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They were like, I can't believe you're so inclusive.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is the most inclusive any show has ever been ever.
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But are they going to kiss?
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Close.
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Real close.
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Real close.
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I thought it was a great episode.
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I thought it did everything it needed to do.
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Which is blow up a friend.
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Yeah.
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And expand this lore in a way that is becoming crowded fast.
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Yeah, that is.
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Yeah.
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We have his grandpa who's good at setting
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traps and all this stuff.
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We have that.
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We have his college days now.
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We have bombs in NOM.
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Right.
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They're not going to be able to keep all this up.
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I mean, he's for a guy with as many varied skills as MacGyver,
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you would expect a varied background, of course.
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I don't know how you could fit this much in such
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a short span of time.
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No.
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He's still a young looking guy.
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Yeah, he's 35.
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That's all.
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That's real young.
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Well, I don't know if he's canonically 35.
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Richard Dean Anderson was 35 at the point
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when the first season of MacGyver is being shot.
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Yeah.
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Which is not old nor young.
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But it's also like at that point,
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how old would he have been in NOM?
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Right.
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Could he have gone to college?
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Right.
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I don't know.
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I mean, you don't have to go.
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Wasn't part of the draft dodging is going to college?
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Is that would keep you from being on the draft list?
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So he would have had to enlist himself.
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Yes, but from what we are to understand,
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he graduated and then went off on that boat.
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Oh, right.
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Right.
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Should have gone back to college.
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Should have gone to grad school.
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But the boat didn't lead to, maybe it did lead to NOM.
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I don't know.
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Did he get kidnapped in Greece and forced to go fight NOM?
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Was he in the Viet Cong?
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We don't know what side he was on.
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See, this is the, oh, no, yeah, because his best friend
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was also.
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But maybe they were on the opposite side,
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so they kind of had a romance going on.
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Don't tell anyone.
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Just a little, yeah, just a little.
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I don't know.
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I'm so excited about the lore of this show.
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The back story is fucking blowing my mind.
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And the quality of it, I'm like 12 episodes in,
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and all of them have been good.
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And one, the villain was ants.
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It's awesome.
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So that's my Bright Spot.
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That's good stuff.
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Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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We're going to be talking about March 15, 2006.
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Oh, yay.
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We're back in the past.
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Nice.
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So I'll explain how we ended up here.
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But first, let's take a little moment to say hello
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to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, congratulations to Sarah,
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spelled S-E-R-A, and Tanner on your wedding from Charlotte.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Jules Makes Games, developer of the Outbreak Story.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And get this away from me.
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I think the computer is scary now.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Dan.
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Last time I let it go because I was getting caught up
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on episodes, but it's pronounced Anna-whack, bear, and buoy.
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Sorry, lifelong Texan here who was forced to take Texas
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history in junior high.
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Thank you so much, you're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars, go home to your mother
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and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little kitty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Yeah, that's not true.
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Sure.
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Works for me.
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I mean, I'm from Missouri, and there's like Versailles.
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Sure.
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Versailles or Versailles?
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Who knows?
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I don't care.
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There's an X in that word.
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It's Bexar.
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Here's what I was thinking.
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I was thinking buoy, nobody's ever
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going to call it a buoy knife.
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And then I was thinking, you know what,
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you should have just been buoy.
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And then I was writing out buoy in my head,
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and I was like, yeah, put a W in there.
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B-O-O-I-E, that's no good.
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You don't want to write that out for the rest of your life.
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No.
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But that X.
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It's not fair.
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So this week, Jordan, I made the interesting choice
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of watching Trump's State of the Union speech.
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Oh, god.
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And for a moment, I considered the idea of doing
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an episode just about that.
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I was pretty close.
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It was one of the most nakedly hostile and dictatorish
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displays I've seen in my life.
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And the spectacle of these hundreds
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of oh-so-serious politicians just sitting by
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and being part of it was too much to handle.
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Hilarious.
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It was grotesque.
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Yeah, I bet.
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Watching it, I had a bit of a realization
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that may be overdue, which is that I
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hate what is now politics.
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Yeah.
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I didn't come doing this show because
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of an interest in politics.
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I didn't study political science in college.
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But I've learned a fair amount about the subject
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in the process.
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And I'm fucking sick of what this has become.
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Yeah.
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I'm interested in rights and people
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being allowed and enabled to live the lives that they
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want to live.
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I'm interested in how we can organize society better
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to maximize that.
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And I'm interested in figures in the media space who's
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only real function is to lie to everyone
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to make it impossible for us to improve anything.
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I'm interested in those things.
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And I think for a while, I've had a belief
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that politics was the most disciplined and effective way
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to do the work of organizing society in a way that
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maximizes rights and people's freedoms
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to make choices themselves.
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But watching that fucking State of the Union,
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I don't know if that feels accurate anymore.
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Maybe it was never a useful avenue for that pursuit.
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Or maybe things have gotten worse in the past 15 years.
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I'm not sure, and I don't care.
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Sure.
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But I know that watching that State of the Union
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made me certain that our structure of government
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does not have an effective answer for what Trump is doing.
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Yeah.
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That was fucking outrageous.
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Yeah.
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It was 10 steps past unacceptable.
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Yeah.
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Nasty malevolent creeps have essentially
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seized the power of our government
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and are clearly indicating to anyone
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who's willing to listen that they don't care
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about checks on their power.
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Nah, that doesn't sound true.
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I can't imagine what message you're
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supposed to take away from this other than we intend
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to stay in power no matter what.
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Yeah.
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Fuck all of you.
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Obviously.
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Any attempt to stop them from attacking other countries
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or rigging the economy is going to be
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treated as a treasonous attack on American prosperity.
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Yep.
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Any attempt to run a fair election against them
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is going to be treated as an attempted coup.
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Yep.
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It was screamed from a pulpit.
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Yeah.
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At people in this speech.
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Yeah.
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Horrifying.
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Yeah.
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You know what I was thinking?
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I was thinking on the walk over here, oh, man,
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I wish I was W. Man, he is fucking,
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his legacy is so saved.
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Like, this guy should have gone down
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in history as the single worst president who lied us
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into a war, who's a fucking monster, a serial killer,
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a murderer, a horrible fucking person.
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Now everybody's going to be like, he wasn't that bad.
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It's almost impossible to rate politicians
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on a scale that includes this anymore.
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Well, I mean, it is literally like the guy who
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did the Trail of Tears and this guy.
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It's hard to compete, you know?
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Yeah.
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And so when I was watching that, I realized something,
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or something clicked over.
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And I just realized that whatever this is is not what
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it's, like, the place that it's existing in.
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Yeah.
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The State of the Union, the president, Congress, all this,
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that is no longer what a politic is.
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Yeah.
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This is a fucking extended, not very interesting clan rally.
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Yeah.
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That some people are humoring.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I suppose that my entire political adult life,
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I felt like I was being gaslit.
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But now, most people feel like they're being gaslit.
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So I don't feel as alone.
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So that's nice.
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After watching it, I was like, well, we should probably
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talk about Alex's response to that.
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But I'm not quite ready to after having taken it in and sat
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with it.
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I bet he's going to do a Darth Vader impression.
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I know I would.
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I would definitely do an Emperor Palpatine impression.
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Hey, Palpatine may come up in this episode.
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Hey!
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20 years!
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Man, it is crazy.
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So we're going to start here.
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And as a familiar topic, we've talked a little bit
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about in the past, we're talking Slobo.
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OK.
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Meanwhile, they've gotten rid of Slobo Milajevic
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because he was demanding a real trial
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and had been exposing how al-Qaeda works for the US
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government and had attacked his country.
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So he was unceremoniously murdered.
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And the poison was even found in his bloodstream.
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And the media admits it and claims he did it himself.
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Sure.
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I hope they don't kill me and then claim that I killed myself.
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They're so good at doing that.
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Saddam's microphone was cut after he
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suggests US behind bombings.
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That's how free his trial is.
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He's not allowed a defense.
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That's out of the AP.
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And again, Saddam's silence for fingering US in Iraq bombings.
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We know some of them are.
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So this is a great example of Alex reporting
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pieces of disconnected information
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in order to promote a larger false narrative.
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As we've discussed, Slobo Milajevic's blood sample
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from two months prior to his death
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did have traces of a drug in it that
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could make his hypertension medications less effective.
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In theory, if he died from a heart attack
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when this drug was in his system,
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you could speculate that the drug played a role
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in making that heart attack more likely.
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Sure.
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Alex needs to present the image that Slobo
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was murdered for standing up to the globalists
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so the conclusion comes before the evidence.
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And all information needs to conform to propping up
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the story that will be told.
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To make the charade work, Alex just
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pretends that the drug was found in Slobo's system
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when he died, not months prior.
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He pretends that this was definitely the cause of death
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and not a possible non sequitur because he's a lazy liar.
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Right.
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Alex relies on his audience not paying attention or knowing
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much about the stories he rambles about
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because if they focused and did their own research,
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as he so often begs them to do, they
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would start to notice that he does this all the time.
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Little pieces of accurate information
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are distorted and misused to make unfounded points
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and they become load bearing pieces of propping up
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these outlandish theories.
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And I think if you pay attention,
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you notice that over and over and over again.
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Yeah.
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As for that part about Saddam Hussein's trial,
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they didn't shut off his mic after he said that the US is
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involved in bombings.
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He was ranting about still being the president of Iraq
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and trying to rally the Iraqi people to unite
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against the American invaders so the Iraqi judge transferred
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the hearing into a private chamber where
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the press wasn't allowed in.
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This was a common occurrence during Saddam's trial.
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He was pretty regularly yelling at judges,
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giving long angry speeches, and having his mic cut off.
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When people are super guilty, they usually
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recognize that their only option at trial
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is to try to derail the proceedings
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and pretend that they're putting the system on trial,
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much like Alex did himself in the Sandy Hook case.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He knows the behavior.
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He is a lot like Saddam.
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They have some PR similarities.
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I mean, it is hard not to like, OK,
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in this era of AJ's career, if you're an info warrior,
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it makes more sense, I guess, period to be an info warrior,
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but maybe not.
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But in terms of like Slobodan Milosevic,
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evil guy should be, is connected to a bunch of evil other guys,
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some of whom are what you would consider
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in the regular world, right, of non-super evil kill guys.
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So he should kind of know something
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about somebody who maybe should want to eliminate him.
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That makes sense, right?
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You can easily conceive of him as a loose end.
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Totally.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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But he was already there for so long.
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True.
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He was already there for so long.
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You want to get rid of that guy pretty quick
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if you're trying to get rid of a guy.
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You're not going to be like, oh, well,
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let's just see what he says for four years or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're either really, really procrastinating.
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Slow playing it, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Or you're engaged in one of the silliest negotiations
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of all time.
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Like, maybe he won't say anything.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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We'll see.
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I've got Patrick Byrne talking to him in jail.
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Let's give him another go.
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Let's give him another shot.
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It's nonsense.
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But you can see where the kernels of like,
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I get how you take the first step.
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Totally.
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It's the second, third, fourth, where it's like, eh.
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Absolutely.
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And if they were going to do it, you shouldn't have evidence.
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That should be your evidence is like, oh, it didn't.
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There was no evidence of foul play.
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See, that's how good these guys.
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That's the level we're at.
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Yeah, you really think that blood sample would get lost.
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Yeah, right?
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They're capable of all of this shit.
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Exactly.
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But Alex, a lot of the beginning of this episode
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I found a little bit tiresome.
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And that's because he's talking a lot about how popular he is.
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The internet means end for media barons,
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says Rupert Murdoch.
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Magnet hail second great age of discovery.
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Power moving from the old elite to the bloggers.
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Rupert Murdoch last night sounded the death knell
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for the era of the media baron, comparing today's internet
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pioneers with explorers such as Christopher Columbus and John
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Cavit and hailing the arrival of a second great age
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of discovery.
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I'm going to get into that.
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And of course, we hailed this several years ago
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with articles we wrote.
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I mean, when I can start a website in a few months,
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have it be bigger than, say, the Austin American statesman
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100 and something year old newspaper's website,
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when I can have websites that now rival
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the size of the Dallas Morning News,
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and I don't have near the biggest freedom websites,
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truth telling websites, whatever you want to call them,
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there are just hundreds and hundreds of gigantic ones
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bigger than most major newspapers.
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And these delusional papers are all arrogant,
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and they're aggressive, and they've got all these shivering
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writers who are on power trips.
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And they're a joke.
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They're a joke.
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I mean, an email we post gets conservatively five,
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10 times the readership of, say, a letter
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to the editor in the Dallas Morning News,
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or 100 times some pathetic letter
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to the editor in that joke rag, the Austin Chronicle,
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that nothing.
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People want reality.
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They want to hear the truth.
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They already know the truth in their guts.
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It's terrorists run this government.
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But let me tell you something, we're not out of the woods yet.
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Man, they're playing possum right now and all.
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I'm going to break down internet, too.
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I want their relief planning.
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And don't worry, they're not about to give up
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their power without a fight.
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And if A-bombs need to be involved, they will be.
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Oh, yes.
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Oh, yes.
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So we'll go over this a little bit.
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But we are kicking their teeth in.
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We're knocking their teeth out.
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We're pounding their eyes into their skulls.
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We're stomping their heads.
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We're putting the boots to them.
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Yeah, A-bombs.
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Cool.
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So this is a great encapsulation of Alex's sense
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of what he's doing.
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He's part of the truth-telling media.
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But that media is also super popular
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because it's telling you what you know in your gut.
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The truth of what feels right, what you think must be right,
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is far more true than someone reporting about an event
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that's actually happening.
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They're trying to lie to you with facts and statistics,
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whereas Alex is telling you the truth through vibes.
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And this is dumb.
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Well, the headline that Alex bases this little riff on
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is actually a little confusing.
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But it was just Rupert Murdoch giving a speech
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at the annual Livery Lecture at the worshipful company
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of stationers and newspaper makers in London,
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mostly about how the internet was transforming media
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from a business that created a thing for consumers
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to a thing that catered to consumers' demands.
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This is mostly discussed in terms of the pivot
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from newspapers that were primarily print
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to news outlets that focused a lot
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on online articles and apps.
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It comes off as a reassuring speech meant to argue
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that high-quality content will always win the day
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and that the existing media companies should rise
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to the challenge that the internet presents.
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With hindsight, I read this speech
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as a deludedly optimistic view.
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The dynamic that Murdoch is talking about,
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where the power and influence in the media
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is held not by the reporters or editors,
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but by the whims of the consumer,
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is basically what we're living in now.
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Media companies, both old and new,
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have made themselves slaves to the clicks
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and artificial traffic that social media appears to provide.
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And in the process, they've allowed a small number
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of lunatic consumers to have outsized influence
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on what the rest of us has to live with
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as our prevailing culture.
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Yep, pretty much exactly that.
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And that's the opposite of what I think Rupert Murdoch
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was hoping for in that speech.
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Yeah, I mean, you know,
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it's tough not to say that when the guy
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who buys the internet does something with it
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that's the opposite of what he was saying
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when he was talking about the internet,
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I think he kinda knew what was up.
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Maybe, I don't know.
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Like he bought a big chunk of the internet.
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He did.
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You know, and then he was like,
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I can do the pie in the sky thing,
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or I can get your money.
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Well, I think the goal was to get the money.
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And I think the goal was to maximize this new industry
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in the same way that like, okay, TV exists now.
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We gotta make more money off that than radio.
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Internet exists now.
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We gotta make more money off that than TV.
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But I think it went bad.
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I think it went south.
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I think the dynamics that exist now
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are not necessarily the ones they wanted.
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Probably not.
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But it's where profit chasing drives them.
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Yeah.
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You know, you wonder if it is just like,
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this is the end of profit chasing
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and we will have to, as a people,
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decide not to chase the maximum profits.
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Like we will have to decide to do that
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because it seems like this is a function of the system.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Probably.
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Probably.
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So the organization that he's speaking at
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is this worshipful, worshipful stationers.
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Yeah.
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And Alex gets hung up on that.
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Oh, screw it.
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The News Corp media magnet nurtures a long held
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distaste for the establishment.
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This is such propaganda.
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But last night confided to one of the few clubs
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to which he does belong, the worshipful company
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of stationers and newspaper makers.
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That's actually what it's called, the Masonic title.
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That he may be among the last of a dying breed.
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They're worshipful, you see.
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Almost all of the livery companies that exist
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as trade organizations and guilds in the UK
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are called worshipful companies.
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It's an old term that means that they're the best people
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for the job, going back to the late 1300s.
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They are full, they are worthy of worship.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a weird word to just stumble across
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in a news story that you're reading,
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but Alex pretends to be like an expert
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on the British economic history
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that the globalists grew out of.
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So that response seems kind of strange.
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Yeah, I mean, in one way you can look at it
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as a word that signifies that you're in a Masonic temple.
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Or in another way you could say that it's exactly
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like a big sign that says we have the best pizza.
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Worshipful pizza.
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Yeah, I mean it's basically the same thing.
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Yeah, the list of worshipful companies is kind of funny.
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Yeah.
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Because some of them are so fucking specific.
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Like the worshipful company of needle makers.
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Like what?
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I like it.
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Worshipful company of playing card makers.
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We make the best fucking playing cards
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and I don't want anybody coming at me
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about these other fucking playing cards.
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Yeah.
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If it's not signed off on by the Worshipful Guild,
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then it's not a playing card.
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Your playing cards have naked ladies on them.
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Not Worshipful Guild material.
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No.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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So a lot of this article, this speech
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that Rupert Murdoch gave, it has to do with him
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having bought MySpace.
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Right.
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And Alex seems to not really recognize that.
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I mean that's all this is.
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They've been caught.
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They've been caught lying.
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They've been caught being on government payroll.
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They've been caught selling out America.
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They've been caught taking billions in Pentagon
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and government money, billions to put out lies.
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Not liberal lies, not conservative lies.
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World government empire lies.
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And they tried to give us fake left right paradigms
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and get us, oh, Russia's real or, oh, Al Franken's real
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or these Democrats will save us.
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And they try to give you these two false choices
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owned by the same companies.
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And it just hasn't worked.
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People are very discerning.
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The larger and larger minority,
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and it will become a majority soon,
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has developed taste buds, has developed a palate,
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has developed a nose, has developed an ear,
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has developed a touch, has developed a sense
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of what's going on. Name five more things.
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I don't even have to defend myself
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when big major publications attack me
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or when low level co-intel pro-opters on the web attack me
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because people know, they recognize it, they see it.
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You instinctively know now.
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It's very exciting.
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And so they're trying to run around
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and they're trying to put a good face on it.
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They're trying to claim that they've had some victory
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through their defeat.
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I mean, Fox has had, quote,
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the biggest ratings of cable TV,
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a few million people at 3 million tops
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on their biggest show.
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I mean, old line talk radio makes that look puny.
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Their media is all fractured.
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They're trying to supply all the different niches,
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all the different niches that are out there.
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And they can't do that.
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They can't supply thousands of different viewpoints
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and niches.
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And they have to constantly try to lie
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and cover up their whole lives.
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And no matter how good looking the info babes are,
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no matter how they look at you with sexual desire
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for the television tube,
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I mean, how dumb are you folks, some of you out there?
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You like Fox News because the info babes sits there,
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Lori Deuce smiling at you and winking at you
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as if she's a real woman there five feet from you
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who really desires you.
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It ain't real, it's television.
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See, it's all-
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Megan Kelly wants to fuck me.
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And most people are getting wise to that.
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They don't want something that's false.
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They don't want a fact simile.
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They don't want something that isn't even a prosthesis,
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something that's just a fraud.
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People don't want plastic fruit, folks.
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They want a real apple, a real orange.
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They want real grapes.
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And you're gonna get that right here.
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We're gonna fill your belly up full of the truth,
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full of good information.
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And it feels good and it tastes good.
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And you know it's real.
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And you know once you've tasted the truth,
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you know what they're giving you is a big fat lie.
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You ate it and it was good.
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You tasted it, it was good.
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What they're giving you isn't good.
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Oh.
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Now, I want to get into what their plans are
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to try to shut us down,
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what their plans are to try to stop us.
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So eventually there's gonna be a shooting at a school
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and then they're gonna sue me over.
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Right?
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Like it is hard to listen to that and not go like,
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yeah, man, that's what you used to be.
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That's the rhythm of it.
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That's the fucking, that is the reason
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that you got to be the shit pile that you are today
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is because you used to be able to pull that out.
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Right.
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And I think that that was exhausting in a way.
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But it also, it wasn't transparently annoying
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how much that was just about himself.
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Yeah.
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That was all just talking about how I'm the only real thing
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in a sea of fakers.
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100%.
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But it's still like, you could kind of listen to it
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without it being like,
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this is a man having a narcissistic fit.
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No, it's utter complete nonsense
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that is propped up by repetition
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over and over and over again.
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And then at the end, he's like, we're gonna feed you.
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And you're like, I guess that's fine.
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And then you move on with your day.
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That's what he used to be able to do.
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Yeah.
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So I'm listening to it though.
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And I had read the Rupert Murdoch speech.
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So I was confused a little bit.
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Like, why isn't he,
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why is he not really getting what the point is?
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Cause he didn't read the speech.
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I'm not sure.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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But like the point of this,
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if you're Alex and you're a conspiracy theorist
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should be the part about MySpace.
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Right.
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I'm gonna read to you here a little bit from his speech.
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Okay.
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Quote, the internet was crucial
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to that astonishing development.
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And I'm sure that the web will continue
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its rapid development as the prime media channel
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for information, entertainment, business,
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and social contact.
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One of the reasons I say that
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is the success of a company we bought last year
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called myspace.com.
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This is a networking site in which millions of people
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aged mainly between 16 and 34 talk online
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to each other about music, film, dating, travel,
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whatever interests them.
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They share pictures, videos, and blogs
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forming virtual communities.
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Since launch last just two years ago,
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the site has acquired 60 million registered users,
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35 million of whom are regular users.
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This is a generation now popularly referred to
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as the MySpace generation
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talking to itself in a world without frontiers.
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It's just one example of how the media
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with its ability to reach millions with information,
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entertainment, and education
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can use the achievements of technology
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to create better and more interesting lives
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for a great many people.
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The speech is really Murdoch discussing
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a new ownership model of the media in the internet age
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where the barons still own these hubs like MySpace
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and it plays into a larger existing paradigm.
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He says, quote, Caxton's printing press
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marked a revolution that is with us 500 years later.
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But the history of that revolution
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is not one in which the new wipes out the old.
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Radio didn't destroy newspapers,
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television didn't destroy radio,
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and neither eliminated the printing of books.
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And internet has destroyed all, all becomes part of one.
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Well, whatever you think of Hollywood,
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the film industry is very much alive.
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Each wave of new technology in our industry
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forced an improvement in the old.
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Each new medium forced its predecessor
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to become more creative and more relevant to the consumer.
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So your take on it was a little different than his.
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A little bit different, a little bit different.
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This will eat everything.
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All of you will just provide content for fake machines
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to think that they're real.
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That's it, you're nothing.
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Oh boy.
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Thank you, Murdock.
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Yeah.
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So on the surface, this might look like a speech
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and the headline might make you think
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that it's Murdock saying that there's a new media
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that's gonna replace media barons.
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But it's really just about him trying to encourage
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the existing structure to embrace things like MySpace,
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own them, and use them as part of the larger model.
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It's fascinating to me that Alex could be reading
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this article and he's covering it not like that.
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Yeah.
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That's the point that...
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Because the take that he's expressing is,
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you guys better own this shit now,
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otherwise it's going to own itself.
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And then it'll own us, right?
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Well, the take that he's having so much on this episode
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is about like, yeah, that's right, we're eating your lunch.
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Oh no, no, no, I mean...
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We're sapping on you.
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Yeah, Murdock's idea is you guys better buy in now.
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Otherwise you're not going to be barren anymore.
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Yeah, yeah, like these tools are the next wave
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of whatever this thing is, we should own these platforms.
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Which Alex should be like, this is literally
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the globalist trying to buy up all of our communications.
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Yeah, and I don't know if he eventually comes to that point,
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but that is not how he's covering the story
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through his coverage of the headline.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I thought that was really strange.
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That one seems pretty much down the pipe,
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to use a baseball analogy.
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And it even takes him quite a while
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to get to even bringing up MySpace,
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which he does, and he's not on there.
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Rupert Murdock bought MySpace.
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40 million, it was 38 million a few months ago now,
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it's 40 million members.
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I'm not saying they're in a lot of cool stuff on there
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and you guys don't have nice web pages
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and gee, it's a lot of fun to be part of this big community.
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The point is they'll erase your blog
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if they don't like it.
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You don't own all the stuff you put up there.
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The point is that it's like Internet 2,
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it has automatic censoring systems
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that go in and erase key words.
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The point is is that they're trying to contain it
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and sure, it's big and it's fun,
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but it leads into stagnation and destruction.
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I mean, I've been wrestling with the fact
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that people keep asking me to get a MySpace blog
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and sure, we can do that,
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but just so I can send Rupert Murdock money
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and just so Rupert Murdock can take it away from me
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anytime he wants, we'll be right back.
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So in 2006, Alex doesn't wanna get on MySpace
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because he understands that him having a page there
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would be making Rupert Murdock money
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and he doesn't wanna have to be bound
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by the terms of service of the website.
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If Murdock took down his blog,
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that wasn't an attack on free speech
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that the president needs to address.
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That was just Alex not behaving in a way
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that was consistent with how the owner of the site
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required customers to act.
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Well, that's changed a lot.
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It has changed quite a bit.
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Weird.
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I mean, it changed in the 10 years since then,
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so it changed in 2016,
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but then it changed again in the 10 years since then.
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It's a crazy up and down world we live in.
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A lot of evolution.
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Yeah, it happened real quick too.
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20 years isn't that long.
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I have zero problem with giving up
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on the I would be making Murdock money angle
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because even if we pretend that mattered,
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Alex would be perfectly fine with his Twitter account
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making Elon money now.
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Absolutely.
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But him understanding that having your blog
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posted on a website isn't guaranteed by the first amendment
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represents a very serious shift.
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And I think I understand generally what's going on.
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Yeah.
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In 2006, Alex was still pretty heavily a radio guy.
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He's never been on as many stations as he claims,
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but he was more widely syndicated at this point,
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so he didn't have to rely on social media
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and desperate attention jacking to get an audience.
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He had a job and adding a blog would be a nice way
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to reach people and get the information out,
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but it wouldn't make or break
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his gold and water filter revenues.
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Somewhere along the line,
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radio became a much less lucrative market to be in
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and corporate consolidation started to limit
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the number of stations he could even be considered for,
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so Alex over relied on the internet.
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That had some upsides like how he created prisonplanet.tv,
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which was making live internet broadcasts
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a bit ahead of the curve, but it also had major downsides,
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like how clearly addicted he is to using social media
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to promote his bullshit.
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Right, right, right.
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He does not actually believe that the first amendment
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guarantees you a right to have a Twitter account
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and say whatever you want on it.
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That's just the position he's adopted,
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so he doesn't have to admit that he's just personally
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and professionally desperate to not be kicked off again.
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If all of the cancel culture bullshit we've dealt with
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in the past years, if all that came from a sincere place,
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then Alex wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea
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that Rupert Murdoch can just take down blogs
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that he doesn't like on Myspace.
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That would be a violation of the Constitution,
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not just a choice that makes Alex not want to be on Myspace.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's very much like,
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now I have an opinion on the capital gains tax
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of that kind of thing.
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I used to think something very different,
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but now I think something very different.
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No change in my lifestyle except for
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I might owe money this time.
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I now have capital gains.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Now suddenly I am worried that they will be taken from me.
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Yeah, Alex knows, and it's not the case in 2006,
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he knows now that without that shit,
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no one's coming around.
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No.
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I don't think,
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No.
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He can't promote anywhere.
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Yeah, man, that is, it's so tough to,
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it's so tough because in 2006,
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you see Murdoch is buying Myspace,
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but it doesn't have to be,
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that's not the whole internet, man.
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It didn't have to be like that.
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It didn't have to be like what it became.
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And it feels like that's the echo of every new media.
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What they're describing is the other side of it.
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Every echo is these people made this space
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where they can't get us anymore.
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This free open space.
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Like when podcasting started,
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it's this free open space
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where we're allowed to do everything.
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And then slowly those rich fucks own it all.
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They just, but we, like if we had really buckled down,
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circled the wagons and been like, no, no!
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Maybe we could have pulled it out.
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Yeah, I wonder about that too.
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I wonder if that is possible.
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I think that, in as much as there's something that,
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you look back at 2006 and you're like,
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well, Alex is onto something there.
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Is the like, yeah, ushering people onto these platforms
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and that being your whole internet existence.
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Yeah.
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Like they didn't do the other thing
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that Alex was talking about,
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which is destroying the rest of the internet.
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Right, right, right.
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The rest of the internet exists.
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It's just that everyone congregates on these things.
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So you worry that no one will see your shit
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unless you put it there.
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Right.
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And that keeps you emotionally trapped there.
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Yeah.
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And that's what Alex is talking about,
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except the part where he's wrong is the,
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this is the only option.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's self capture.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's describing, you know, addiction.
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He's describing his own pathology leader.
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Right, right, exactly, yes.
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So Alex talks about how the classified ads
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don't work anymore, apparently.
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Just in the few minutes we've got left in this short segment
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let me get back into what's happening.
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The old line media is dying.
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Here's just a local example.
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We put an ad in the Chronicle, local paper,
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for job applicants for a new position
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that we've already filled here at Info Wars.
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And we got about 10 responses, bad responses at that.
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We put a free ad on Craigslist
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and got over 200 by the time we shut it off.
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And after a few days we took it down
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because it was so ridiculous.
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And these were good responses locally in Austin.
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See, but there's the Chronicle
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with all these arrogant people working there
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and all this money they make.
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Oh, the old line media still makes all the money.
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But it's a hoax, it's a hoax.
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The statesmen, we put ads in the statesmen before.
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We might get 30 responses.
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But you do something on the web, hundreds.
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Again, the old line media is a hoax.
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So the argument Alex is trying to make
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can be diagrammed like this.
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Premise one, if I get more job applicants
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through using Craigslist than through the newspaper,
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then the media is a hoax.
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Premise two, I have gotten more job applicants
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through Craigslist than through newspapers.
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Conclusion, therefore the media is a hoax.
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Logically, this is all valid.
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The premises are set up in a way that if they're true,
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then there's no way for that conclusion to be false.
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And this dynamic is one of the ways that Alex's audience,
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they just subconsciously end up thinking
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he's making more sense than he actually is.
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The first premise in his argument is fundamentally flawed.
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So although this argument can be valid,
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it can never be sound.
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It's not possible for the first premise to be true
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because the number of job applicants
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you get from a certain source has no inherent connection
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to whether or not the media is a hoax.
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When you hear an argument like this,
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it's a good idea to search for unspoken or implied premises.
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Sometimes the person making the argument
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is trying to hide something about what they're arguing,
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but sometimes they're just lazy and bad at thinking,
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so they come up with dumb shit like this.
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I highlighted this example
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because there's at least one very obvious hidden premise
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that Alex isn't saying that he needs
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for this argument to make sense.
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He needs to have a premise included
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that illustrates how getting more job applicants
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makes something a hoax.
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Ideally, a premise that defines what it even means
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for something to be a hoax.
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Once you start to tease that question out,
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it begins to look like the hoax
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is that the media pretends more people
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are reading the newspaper,
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whereas more people actually respond to Craigslist ads.
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The hoax is about audience size,
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and that's implied but not included in his argument.
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So it appears that what Alex is saying
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is that he's gotten more job applicants from Craigslist
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than through the classified ads in the newspaper,
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so he's concluded that the newspapers
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are far less influential than they claim to be.
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But immediately it becomes clear how dumb that argument is
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once you realize that premise is included.
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Newspapers don't exist solely to post job openings,
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whereas the vast majority of people
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who are going to Craigslist are going there for that reason.
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If newspapers were just help wanted ads
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and Craigslist did that more effectively,
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then Alex's argument starts to hold up,
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but Craigslist didn't do journalism.
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There is that.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, there's journalism
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that you could find on Craigslist,
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but I don't think it's quite the story.
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Some people wrote some things.
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I don't think it's the stories that you'd wanna hear.
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Yeah, so I think that when you're analyzing
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some of these arguments,
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it's important to fill in some of the blanks
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that are intentionally being left out,
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because they oftentimes help you realize
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how kind of stupid this is.
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Yeah, I mean, it's generous to even go along
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with them to the point where you can parse
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that the hoax is the media trying to claim
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a larger readership,
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because when you just say the media is a hoax,
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that is, I mean, a blanket statement of like,
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you just can't trust anything they say
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simply because of job applicants.
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Yeah.
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You know, that's a broad sweeping statement.
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So it's like, oh, well now you can't trust this person
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saying this thing because I didn't get more
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than four job applicants from this classified ad.
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And that makes sense.
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Yeah, it's on, it's when you just hear it,
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it can flow by.
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Yeah.
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But if you stop for even a second,
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you're like only an idiot would say that.
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Yep.
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And he's an idiot.
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I mean, imagine an SAT question that's like,
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classified ad is to media as fucking responders
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are to hoax.
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You'd be like, there's no way for me
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to have figured that out, zero.
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You fail them, man.
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Zero possible way for me to have figured that out.
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So Alex, he has some interesting ideas
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about how statistics work.
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And this continues from that last thought, sort of.
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And people all stoop and fetch and get so excited,
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people send me stuff.
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Oh, you were in the Washington Post, Alex.
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Oh, you were in the New York Times.
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Oh, you were in Vanity Fair.
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Oh, don't you feel big?
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And I'm like, no, I don't feel big.
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Nobody reads that.
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My website gets plugged in Vanity Fair three times.
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And I get a few emails and that's about it.
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But I go on some little local Christian radio talk show
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in Florida or Alabama or Tennessee,
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and we get 50 video orders
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and tens of thousands of visitors to the website.
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Because let me tell you something, mainstream media,
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people don't trust you and they don't like you.
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And I don't think you realize just how much we don't like
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you and just how much we don't trust you.
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The fact that Alex's store gets more sales
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from being on a Christian shortwave show
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than him being in Vanity Fair,
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that doesn't illustrate that the public hates outlets
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like Vanity Fair.
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It tends to suggest that people who read things
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like Vanity Fair aren't interested in what Alex is selling,
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whereas Christian shortwave audiences are.
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Seems pretty obvious.
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The game Alex is playing here is he's trying to pretend
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that all audience reactions are starting
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from a neutral base.
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Just to make up numbers,
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he believes that if he goes on any show,
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5% of the people watching will go buy something
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from the store.
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So if he goes on a Christian shortwave show
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and he gets 10 sales,
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but only gets two after being featured in Vanity Fair,
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the only explanation you can come up with
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is that Christian shortwave stations have five times
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the audience of Vanity Fair.
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Makes perfect sense to me.
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That's where the people are.
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That's the math.
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They hate the media.
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Right, right, right, right.
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In reality, he might be getting a 50% conversion rate
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on the total 20 listeners on that Christian shortwave
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station, whereas Vanity Fair has a circulation
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of 1.2 million copies per issue back in 2006.
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So his two sales would be about 1,000th of a percent
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conversion.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't take any of this,
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I don't know if it's intentional.
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That is the question,
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because it seems far too obvious to a guy
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who is really obsessed with internet traffic at this time,
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especially, to not understand the demographic difference
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of the audience being so important
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towards actually converting into sales.
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Yeah.
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Right, he knows that.
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Yeah, he's made an entire career off exploiting that.
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Right, so for this monologue to make sense,
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he would have to suddenly have forgotten
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all sales information that he's ever known,
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the most important thing to him,
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in order to go on this rant.
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Yeah.
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Or he's lying about it and it seems easier
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than making sense.
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Yeah, well, I think the two options that come to me
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are that he's lying to hide his true markety intentions.
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Sure.
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Or he just, this is what feels good to him.
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I mean, yeah.
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There's a way that this isn't lying
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that is just self-soothing.
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I bet it feels great to the audience too,
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for them to be like, yeah, you're right.
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The Christian shortwave group is huge.
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That's who we are.
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We're not like those tiny little vanity fair people.
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Yeah, the larger and the broader the audience you get,
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the lower the percentage of those people
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are interested in your crazy bullshit.
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When you have tiny self-selected groups of people
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who are very, very similar to you,
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they are going to respond at a higher rate, yes.
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Yeah, that's how it works.
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Come on, Alex.
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Yeah, but it feels better to be part of the movement
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instead of just, we're the 20 creepy people
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who listen on this shortwave studio that he's referencing.
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Yeah, so a caller asks Alex if false flags are coming.
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Oh boy, howdy.
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It's as bad as it's ever been.
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Do you feel, Alex, that there's gonna be
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some state-sponsored attack
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or something that's gonna take place?
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Do you feel that in your gut instincts?
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That is a huge shadow that always hangs over us.
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It's a dark pall.
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Yeah.
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I'm blessed with what pall means.
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It's a dark match hanging over our society.
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And we know state-sponsored terrorists,
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we're in a greater danger now
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since any time before or after 9-11.
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Clearly the Republican memos that have now been documented
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say they need a quote 9-11 style event
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to jumpstart the globalist agenda.
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We know that they're in deep trouble on every front.
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They're losing control.
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That's why they're so aggressive right now
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is they know the people are getting wise
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to their shenanigans, to their machinations.
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Oh man, that sounds exactly like right now.
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Sounds almost identical.
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Oh yeah, it sounds like this is always the case.
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Seems like it's been that way for 20 years at least.
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Yeah.
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Probably longer than that considering
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how familiar everybody is with how he's going to say this.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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This seems very standard.
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Also the idea of asking the question,
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do you think there's going to be a false flag is insane.
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Right, because what if his answer was no?
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Right, but the answer can never be no
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because your belief is that eventually it will happen.
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So the moment you lose vigilance,
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that's when it's going to happen.
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Right, if this caller calls in and is like,
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hey Alex, is there going to be a false flag?
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And Alex says no, then there's going to be an attack
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as they finally caught me off guard.
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Exactly.
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That has to be the way it is.
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You can't say no.
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Yes, there's always the possibility of a false flag
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right now.
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Right, yeah.
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And what if I were to tell you
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that this clip is actually from 2011?
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I would believe that.
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Right.
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Yep.
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But that would be a lie.
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This is from 2006.
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Well, it's all right.
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Who knows?
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Who knows?
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It is from 2006, but I could be lying.
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It could be from any date.
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You'll never know.
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And there's no reason to find out.
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The whole time we've been as great a danger
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as we have been before or after 9-11 at every moment.
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All right, so you're calling in and you're like,
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oh man, I love Alex.
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Long time, first time, right?
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I'm going to ask him my biggest question.
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Do you think there's going to be a false flag?
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Was he curious or did he just want to see
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if Alex would go on a, you know?
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He was curious.
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He also had a question about oil,
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but this was the second question.
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Oh my God.
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So this was not the primary reason he called in.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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All right, then I didn't have the full picture
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of this person that I'm imagining.
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He's not trying to give him an improv suggestion,
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just to let him roll.
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Right, right, right.
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He's actually interested in the answer.
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It feels like that's what you would do.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, he realizes like, you know what?
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I should get on MySpace.
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It's been, I mean, obviously.
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It's been about a half an hour
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since MySpace was brought up.
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Right.
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He realizes like, eh, why not?
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Yep.
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And people are telling me, I got to join.
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I got to be part of it.
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Let me ask you, should we have one of my webmasters
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go build a site, get thousands of friends and members
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and promote it, and then just have them just take it?
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Should I go sign a contract with Murdoch?
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Saying, sure.
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I mean, you understand, folks, this is internet too.
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Where you have, in the future, you'll have to go under them,
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have to sign a contract with them to be on the web,
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and then they'll shut you down.
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They're shutting down most of the 9-11 sites.
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They're shutting down pro-Second Amendment sites.
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They're shutting down sites at Bash Bush.
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They're shutting down sites at Bash News Corp.
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I mean, it's despicable.
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I mean, we all talk about China censoring people.
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What about Rupert Murdoch?
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What do you say to that?
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I mean, what should I do?
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What should I do, James?
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I mean, Evan?
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I think you should maybe try another.
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I'm actually setting up an account on tagworld.com.
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You know, I just figured out what I'm gonna do.
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I'm gonna have my guys, right now, today,
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we're gonna set up a MySpace,
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and everybody else should do this,
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with its whole point being,
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will Rupert Murdoch shut this down?
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We're gonna set up a MySpace exposing MySpace.
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Aha, brilliant.
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That's disqualifying.
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Yeah.
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That's, all right, man, how bored are you?
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All right, we're gonna set up our own Facebook,
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and we'll call it Bookface.
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How dare you, Mark Zuckerberg?
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We'll get you.
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I think that that caller,
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that was an interesting dynamic,
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because he's like, hey, what should we do this?
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Should we join MySpace?
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And the caller is like,
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I think I'm gonna join something else.
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I'm gonna join an alternative platform.
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Alex ignores that, and is like,
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I'm gonna make a publicity stunt out of joining MySpace.
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Yep.
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Yep, because it's bigger.
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Cool.
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Yeah, I wonder if there really was a chance for Alex
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to just catch it, understand it,
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and then make info Twitter right then.
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Could he have leveraged this whole spot
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into an actual social media thing?
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No, because he tried.
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They tried to make their own info or social media.
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Oh, did they?
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When did they try that?
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I don't remember exactly, but yeah,
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they tried to do that.
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They tried to do a dating site.
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There's a lot of failed.
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The dating site's probably not gonna work.
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Yeah.
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But you gotta only date people who are awake.
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Woke?
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No, not woke, awake.
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Awake.
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Aw, right, right, right, right.
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The opposite of woke.
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Wait.
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Yeah, they tried a lot of new web things that didn't work,
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and thankfully for him, most of them are forgotten.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, man, the dating site should really just,
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that should just stay with ya, you know?
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Because there's one thing that you know
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about an Info Wars dating site.
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It's cool, full of cool people?
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Maybe two women ever were on that period.
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It's been years and years, but I did try and,
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I did see some archived pages on there,
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and I remember it being cool.
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Yep, I bet everybody's nice.
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Distant memory.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, I think that he really wants to present this
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as like, I don't want to join Myspace.
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I'm kicking and screaming.
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Everyone wants me to join.
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And they may ignore us not wanting to give us attention,
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but I have a feeling they'll just squash us,
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and it'll be a nice example of how free Myspace is.
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Okay, you want me to get a Myspace account?
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We will, we're getting one right now.
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We've got squadrons of people,
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if they shut us down on this one,
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we'll just keep creating new accounts and exposing them.
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So the war is on.
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That's against the terms of service.
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You want me to have a Myspace account?
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We are invading.
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We are invading Myspace.
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You really can't do, like, this is a bad way
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to start a campaign.
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Yeah.
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Because if they ignore you, then what?
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Yeah.
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We're setting out to prove that they are censors,
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and they're gonna, like, you have to then
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keep upping the ante of disgusting shit
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to try to get yourself kicked off.
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Exactly.
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Or else you look like a loser.
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You gotta be more vague.
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You can't go out there trying to prove something,
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because then you can prove the opposite, too.
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You can't just only prove one thing.
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That's just not how proving things works.
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Well, I mean, you eventually have to get into, like,
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I don't know, maybe Holocaust denial or something
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in order to, like, get them to get you kicked off.
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That'll get you there.
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There are consequences for that, though.
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And it turns out you won't wanna get kicked off YouTube.
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So speaking of Holocaust deniers.
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Great.
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Alex has a guest on the show.
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Yeah.
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He's a noted racist-y guy.
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Sure.
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He has questions about the Holocaust.
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Wow.
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Former editor of VDARE, Paul Craig Roberts,
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and I don't care about his interview, it's pretty boring.
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They have no energy between them.
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Yeah.
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But I'm playing this clip because Alex makes a prediction,
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and as we know, God talks to him.
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And he knows when, they come true.
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Yeah.
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Where do you see it going in Iraq?
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I mean, I think they're just gonna try to get us
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so deep into a war with Iran in the future,
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or they're gonna attack Iran and hope that Iran strikes back
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and then, oh, everybody will be shocked that they fight back
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and then we're gonna be off to the races.
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And I think they'll force us into a full bore mobilization
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and bring in the draft and everything else.
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You know, I just don't know what their plan is.
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If that's the plan, it's highly risky, isn't it?
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I mean, it's the most, I've never known a government
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to undertake so many extreme risks,
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and for no clear reason.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
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So I don't know whether.
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You keep using the Hitler parallel.
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He was nuts and started attacking everybody too.
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Well, yes, but he at least had an agenda.
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And he may have done okay.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Way, way, way, way, hold on.
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Bush marches off into Iran, he will have done
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the equivalent of Hitler marching off into Russia.
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It may be more than they can chew.
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Paul, Paul, that's not good.
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That is the single worst at least
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I have ever heard in my entire life.
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Yeah.
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I've ever heard an at least worse than,
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well, at least Hitler had an agenda.
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Yeah.
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That's the worst one.
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How, what do you think about that agenda?
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That's the worst one, that is the worst one.
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Yeah, when I was listening to that,
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when Alex was like, you use the Hitler comparison,
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and Paul Craig Roberts said, well,
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I was like, that's the scariest well.
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Yep, that's no good, that's no good.
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That's not the word Alex wanted to hear next.
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Oh my God, Jesus, at least Hitler had an agenda.
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Wow.
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Yeah, it's almost not surprising at all
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that all of these creeps beget what has happened.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does make sense
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if you listen to them like they mean what they say.
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It's no good.
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No.
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But, you know, I think that Alex,
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a lot of people call him a racist.
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Sure.
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We do.
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It's true, I've called him that a number of times.
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Yep.
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But this next caller that Alex gets
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after he speaks with the guy who thinks
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Hitler is-
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At least he had an agenda.
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This guy is real thrilled that Alex isn't a racist.
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Great.
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Fred and Philly, you're on the air.
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Go ahead, Fred.
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Hi.
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I want to tell you that I really appreciate
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the way that you handled all these issues non-ideologically
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and also that you don't bait ethnic groups
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and that you don't bait religions,
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and I think that's very commendable.
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Well, those are all hot buttons.
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A lot of people like to,
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you know, they stick their finger in it
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and they think because they got a feeling
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that that electricity going into them is good,
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and they think because they're getting attention
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that it's good, but overall it's very, very disruptive,
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and that's what the neo-cons do.
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Yeah, and I think that it took me several years
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to get into that mode of thinking,
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but it's very valuable.
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Bet he still is.
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I'm proud of this guy from Philly.
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Yep.
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What Alex is describing,
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it almost sounds like someone who,
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I don't know, this is crazy.
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Yeah, hear me out.
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It almost sounds like someone who would say
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that you get the most flack when you're over the target.
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Yeah.
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You know, like someone using that kind of like
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negative feedback as a way to prove
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that they're onto something.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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It's very similar to how Alex is saying
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like you press the button, you get a charge of electricity,
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and you think you're doing something.
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That does feel right.
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Huh.
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Seems like,
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ah, I don't know.
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I don't know what, you know, like maybe,
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maybe the question of awareness is actually the question
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that we should really be dealing with,
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but not in a way of like,
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is he aware of what does this mean or anything?
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Like maybe we actually have to get to the fundaments
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of what the concept of awareness is,
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because maybe he just does not have it.
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You know, like maybe, you know,
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like whenever you see a fucking fish
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go to where it was born, right?
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You don't know why that happens.
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Does the fish have an awareness of why it happens?
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But the fish doesn't.
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Maybe this is Alex being the fish.
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So, and okay.
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If that's, if what you're saying is,
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if I'm following you correctly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's tough to do.
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It's tough to do.
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We have spent nine years of our lives,
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a thousand episodes plus,
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of like, look who's talking now,
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putting dialogue into a dog's head.
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Of like trying to figure out why Alex is doing
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any of the shit he's doing.
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Who cares?
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He's a dog.
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He's just, you want to,
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you want to have conscience and attention there.
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It's just not there.
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It's Danny DeVito.
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Yeah, you know, that probably isn't right,
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but it's hard to find other explanations for this behavior.
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It's a, it's a hypothesis.
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I would have thrown out in the past.
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But now we've got a question.
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We're a little, we're a little, yeah.
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So Alex had that shitty guest on, Paul Craig Roberts,
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and then he had, you know, some calls.
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And I was blown away by his final guest of the show.
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This is a woman from Iraq who is a part of a group
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who is a women against the war.
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She's a pharmacist from Fallujah.
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And it's strange.
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This is strange.
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Dr. Bashad is a pharmacist who works in Baghdad and Fallujah
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with women and children who were victims of war.
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She's worked especially with orphans.
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And she works with the knowledge society
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to aid victims of war.
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And she joins us.
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She's part of the Iraqi women for peace
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that's traveling around code pink.
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She'll set this up part of the women against war movement
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in this country.
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And have amazing stories to tell.
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Dr. Zaidan, thank you so much for joining us today.
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Thank you. Thank you very much.
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I don't want to play a ton of her interview
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because from everything I can tell,
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what she is there to advocate for is
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just bringing attention to the victims of the Iraq war.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I think that's sound and good.
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And I have no problem with it.
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And Alex, even though he is a piece of shit,
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platforming that conversation is a voice
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that it is better people here than not here.
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So I don't really have a lot to say about her interview
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outside of crazy that Alex is doing this.
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Yeah, what a weird, okay, all right.
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But that's not to say we don't have any clips.
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So I think that there is a pattern that Alex engages in
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while talking to this woman,
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which is to try and make it all about himself.
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
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Now you've come to the United States now.
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You're traveling with Women Say No to War.org.
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We have links to it on info.wars.com.
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Tell us how you came to the United States, Dr. Zaidan.
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The Global Peace for Saying No to War,
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they invited us to sharing their activities
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and we came here just to tell the American people
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what is happening in Iraq,
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because we want to tell them the truth,
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which they don't hear it from the media.
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We have some pictures,
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we have some films about what's happening,
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and we hope we can reach every American people
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in order they know the truth,
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because we believe that America is the center
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for truth and freedom, but the picture now is different.
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After three years, we see everything is different.
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Are you aware that America,
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are the average Iraqis aware
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that we've just been captured too,
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by the same people and that it's just more sophisticated?
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See, we've been captured too.
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We're controlled as well.
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The average American doesn't even know what's going on.
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The average American has been mind controlled.
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I think if they know the truth,
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our letter is just telling them the truth
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and waiting from being captured.
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My country has been gone
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and they have to work hard for my children.
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I have four children and have to look
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to think about their future.
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So if anything happened to me,
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I will not be cared because all my country are suffering.
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So no problem.
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So you're saying you're willing to,
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I mean, you're doing whatever it takes
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to stand up for the little ones?
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Yes, I will try, I'll do my best.
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But I'm sure even through all the pain,
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is it rewarding to you?
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Jesus.
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So the thing that he was doing there,
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of the like, we're captured too,
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we're under the same occupation.
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That happens a number of times.
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There's a couple of times where he tries
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to steer things in that direction.
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And I find that disgusting.
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This is a person whose home is war torn
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based on the president of our country's actions.
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Lies.
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Yeah.
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And to like have his weird,
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I can't have my guns or whatever.
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Oh, FEMA is bad.
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All this stuff.
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And try to talk to somebody who's advocating
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for real war torn shit.
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Like it's just insulting.
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I feel like it's like.
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My two thoughts were this.
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My first thought was she doesn't deserve this.
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This woman does not deserve this.
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There's no way that anybody deserves it,
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but she especially does not deserve it.
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And then my next thought was,
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I don't know if you remember this,
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but a while back,
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probably a good while back now that we're old,
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there was a football coach who had this huge meltdown.
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And at the end of it, he's screaming like,
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I'm a man, I'm 40.
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Because these media people were talking shit about kids.
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Like they had forgotten that those were kids
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and they shouldn't be talking like that.
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And he was expressing that it's like,
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no, come at me, come at me.
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I'm prepared for this.
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This is our arena right here.
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That's exactly how I felt with Alex.
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Like don't leave her alone.
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She doesn't deserve this shit.
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I get where that reaction is coming from.
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And the weirder feeling that I have is,
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I wonder if this is his attempt at empathy.
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I mean, it feels like it's his attempt to like relate.
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We're the same.
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Yeah, I'm like you, you're like me.
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But from him, it's more like,
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now I want you to be like, yes, you're right, Alex.
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You guys are captured.
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Yeah, to sign off on my weird sovereign citizen paranoia
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as being the same level of oppression
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as having your cities bombed out.
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Take time out of your helping orphans lives day
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to give me a little bit of props
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for how Americans also have it hard.
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Yeah, it's fucking awful.
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But there is a part of me that wonders
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if he even recognizes like the way in which it's awful.
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I think it might not be fully malicious.
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It might just be, he's a dog.
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Yeah, I mean, no, I mean,
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I think this is very much like consistent
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with narcissistic psychopath behavior of that.
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Like, don't you understand?
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I am reaching out to you.
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This is us relating to each other.
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Not like you're clearly having
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some weird psycho mind game with me for no reason.
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Yeah, and so we're not gonna listen
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to too much more of her interview,
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but she's there with another person.
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This is weird.
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Can we, I'd like to go back to you, Dr. Zaidam,
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but can I speak to the founder of Code Pink,
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which is a women's peace activist group,
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Gail Murphy here for a few minutes?
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Yeah, okay.
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Thank you.
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Hello.
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Gail, thank you so much for joining us.
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Can you break down some of the things you guys are doing
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and where you're gonna be
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and what some of this horrific testimony
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these women have been giving is like?
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Well, it's been very emotional.
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The women came more or less around the 5th of March
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and started in New York where we had a large public event.
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This is really weird.
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They have a very friendly and cooperative interview
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and that's strange because Alex thinks
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that Code Pink is a communist Soros front.
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Right.
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And it's not like he started thinking that in 2015
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or something. No.
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He's thought that for a long time.
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Yeah, Code Pink was doing shit around 2004,
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almost immediately, well, I mean,
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they've been doing shit before that,
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but that was whenever they made big splashes
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about the Iraq war and all that stuff.
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He uses Code Pink as shorthand
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for like commie women agitators.
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Yeah.
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So like- Hey, Gail, how you doing?
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What's going on, Gail?
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Tell me about the future.
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It's really hard to see that and not think
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that what he's doing is exploiting their advocacy
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so he can condescend to a woman from Iraq.
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Yeah.
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It's hard to imagine him being
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like a unthinking, unintentionally dog.
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Yeah, no.
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You're talking to someone from Code Pink.
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No, this is insane.
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Yeah.
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You're a militia guy.
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You know, you know, you know, you know.
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You have to know.
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You have to know.
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That's what I feel like my entire emotional journey
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will just be through you knows.
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You know, like, you know, no, you know, you have to,
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you know.
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Come on, you know.
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You know, you know, you, oh my God, you know.
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You know.
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Yeah.
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You know.
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And there's something so interesting about this dynamic,
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which is like, I don't begrudge Code Pink
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or this woman's advocacy for getting the voices out
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of people who are victims in Iraq.
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Sure, absolutely.
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I also don't think there's any way to deny
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that they're being used.
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Yeah.
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And that Alex needs these types of people
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at this stage in his career,
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or else he looks like the Nazi that he is.
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Yep.
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And I don't think they did anything wrong,
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but tactically it was a big mistake, I think.
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I mean.
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To include him in this.
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Yeah, it is.
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To take another phrase from this time,
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Alex was an unknown unknown.
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You know, like there was no way for these people
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to know fully the malicious level of what Alex was,
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because really nobody had done this level of maliciousness
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before in a way, you know.
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What media outlet could you have thought of in 2006
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that would be actively like,
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oh, I'm going to launder my Nazism through pretending
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that I am a fair and balanced, above the board show,
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you know?
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Yeah, there are very few examples I could ever think of
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that are as kind of insane as,
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and if you're somebody- Yeah,
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how could you be prepared for it?
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If you're somebody who really adamantly cares
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about the Iraq war and the Iraqi people-
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I'll talk to anybody.
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I just need to get my word out. Especially somebody
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who appears to be a right-winger who hates the war.
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Totally.
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Then, yeah, that seems like-
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I can get my message to a group of people
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who would never listen to me.
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Right, right. It all makes sense,
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unless you know already what Alex is.
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Unless we're 20 years in the future.
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Exactly, exactly.
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So it's like, this isn't just a hindsight is 2020.
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It's like, you can't blame anybody for fucking up like this.
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No, but it's tragic to see.
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Yeah, it is, it is.
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So we have one last clip,
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and it's after their interview has ended.
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Alex takes some calls, and I resent his perspective.
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Okay.
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Eventually-
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Oh yeah, I've said this over and over again.
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This ought to be the headline on a story we ought to write.
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America is the target.
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Iraq is on with the pretext.
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We need to explain, and Bush told his biographer this,
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we're the real target.
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Yeah, they want to destroy our young people.
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I mean, I hate to use a child's analogy,
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but revenge of the Sith.
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He's a little known senator.
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He hires people to covertly attack his own planet,
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says the Senate won't do enough.
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He's elected chancellor,
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then attacks his own planets again and again
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to become emperor, and then knocks out his own forces.
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This is actually what governments do.
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You know, children can understand the plot,
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but adults can't understand it in the real world.
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Yeah, man.
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So he was just interviewing a woman
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who is dealing with orphans
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and people whose families are dying in Baghdad and Fallujah.
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And within a very short amount of time,
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he's talking with his scholar about how like,
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hey, we're the real targets.
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This has rank disrespect all over it.
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Yeah, I mean,
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whatever ideological differences that you may have
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with somebody doing that, you know,
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like what you should be forced to acknowledge
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is that they're doing the work, you know?
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Like whether or not you agree that it's good work
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or bad work, or that in the long run it's helpful,
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any number of things, right?
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Alex should be saying, you're doing the work
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and I'm talking on the radio.
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So we're gonna start from a position of,
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I am beneath your level of fucking give a shit, right?
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So to not come with a humbleness,
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to not come directly towards them like,
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hey man, you're amazing, it's disrespectful.
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Or conversely, not to come to it from a perspective of,
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I don't really care about what's happening to you.
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I'm the real target and I only care about you dealing
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with these orphans and all this shit
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because they're doing that to get to me next.
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I don't really care about what's going on with you.
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If it didn't involve me, I wouldn't even be talking to you.
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No, every true crime show where they're interviewing
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psychopaths is like, that's their reasoning
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100% of the time.
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Yeah, and I think he should be more insulting
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to this person or less.
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Yeah, exactly.
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One of the two.
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Either one is better than this weirdo fucked up shit.
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Yeah, but also interviewing Code Pink, insane.
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Insane.
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Yeah.
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You go back and you never know what you're gonna see.
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You really don't, you know?
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And it just reinforces what we've been saying that,
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and it's, I don't know if it still means anything,
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but so many times it's like, don't go on these shows.
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Don't have these debates.
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Don't have them on your show.
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Don't legitimize any of that shit
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because even this person is going to be used.
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Even this person.
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Of course you're going to be used.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Maybe not like every single instance don't do it,
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but be very careful.
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Yeah.
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People are less careful than they should be
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about that sometimes.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Fucking hell, man.
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Tough.
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So I guess the past is still interesting.
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Yeah.
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At least this is a lot of curve balls.
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It is.
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Alex is mad about MySpace.
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That's what, I mean, I love not being able to think,
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oh, well, this is the part of his show
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where he's going to do this.
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You know, like that's huge.
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We've been in the past
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and we've been talking a lot about Milosevic
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and then now if I asked you,
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hey, what do you think is going to happen today?
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No idea.
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Not MySpace.
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No clue.
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Not he's going to passive aggressively
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start up a MySpace page.
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Interview somebody from Fallujah?
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Absolutely not what I expected.
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Fucking insane.
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Now, and then you also get
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the Emperor Palpatine comparison from the past
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while we just watched the State of the Union when,
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I mean, what other way is there to describe what happened?
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Well, yeah, thanks for the reminder.
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I mean, it's fun if you think about it
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as the Revenge of the Sith, right?
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Well, because then a new hope happens.
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Exactly.
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Well, I mean, back then, here's the problem, right?
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Back in the past, you'd go straight from
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Revenge of the Sith to New Hope.
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Now you got to go through a full Andor and a Rogue One
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before you get to a New Hope.
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We got a shit ton of stuff to get through.
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We got work to do.
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We got work to do.
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We got work to do.
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So let's get to that.
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Let's go steal those plants.
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Let's get some Andor, some Rogue One moving,
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and then we'll get a new hope going.
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So we'll get to work on that,
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but until then we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Oh yeah, we'll be back with another episode.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
