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New70madeien Hernandez
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Dan and George. Knowledge Fight.
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Riddle word. Riddle word. Riddle word.
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I need money.
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Riddle word. Riddle word.
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Riddle word.
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Andy and Chansis. Andy and Chansis.
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Stop it. Andy and Chan. Andy and Chan.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Chan. You're on the air. Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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knowledgefight.com
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I love you.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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Workable dudes. I like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
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Oh indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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Well we have a tradition here.
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It is. That's true.
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It is February so that means that I go second.
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Yep. Okay. My bright spot today is that Jill Scott has a new album out.
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Okay.
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It's very good. It's fantastic. It's her first album in like 10 years.
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And she does my favorite thing that Jill Scott does.
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Sing.
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Which is, she's a poet and she finds the metaphor in the mundane.
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Which is always lovely.
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But also sometimes that looks like, I woke up at four.
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I got some eggs. Like it's just narrating your day.
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And it's like sometimes you're finding the metaphor in the mundane.
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Sometimes you're just narrating your day.
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Sometimes it's just the mundane.
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Sometimes it's just like you really needed to tell me about these scrambled eggs you made.
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And maybe there's a metaphor in there that you, Jordan, are getting.
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I don't need it. Yeah, exactly.
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So it just seems mundane to you.
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Totally.
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Someone else might be crying about those eggs.
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Somebody else might be losing their mind.
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Yeah.
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But at the same time there's also the mundane in there.
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Well that's great.
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar my friend.
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Sometimes it's not.
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Sometimes it's a penis.
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Yeah. That's right.
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Absolutely.
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And sometimes it explodes.
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Wait. The cigar or the penis?
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The both.
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On a birthday.
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I'm doing some eyebrow wagging at you.
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What's your bright spot?
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So I'm feeling a little bit better.
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We're a little bit late with this episode because I got struck with another illness.
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It was weird.
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I feel like neither of us were sick pretty much through COVID.
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Decade.
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And this year has just already been a bit of illness.
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That one we got at the beginning of January fucked up our immune system because
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It might be.
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For ten years I don't think I've ever gotten sick.
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No, it's very weird.
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Yeah. And then I got sick again too.
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We've both been sick twice already within the first two months.
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Yeah. It's some crazy times.
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It's wild. Yeah.
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But yeah, I was sleeping a lot. Did a lot of sleeping.
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But also had a little bit of time to enjoy some Pikmin.
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So I've been making my way through Pikmin.
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And I have some observations that I'd like to share with the class.
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They're all good so far.
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All the Pikmin are good so far?
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All Pikmin are good Pikmin.
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Okay.
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I'm on Pikmin 3.
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And that is really where it came together.
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Pikmin 1 is good, but it's kind of easy.
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And it's a little bit short and almost like proof of concept.
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I was about to say proof of concept.
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This could be fun if we nail it.
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Yeah. I think it has the feel of a very successful indie-ish game.
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Yeah, gotcha.
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And then two, they evolve on some of the stuff, but it's not fully there.
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And then I think in three it's just like, this is the fucking game.
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You guys nailed it.
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So good.
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Yeah. Nice.
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So yeah, and I'm still just enjoying the hell out of it.
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I've played them many times throughout my life.
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I'm still enjoying throwing those little guys around.
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There are just some games like that where it is, for whatever reason,
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like the time in your life when it hits you, or just like this gameplay loop,
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the tactile feel of it just hits my brain right.
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Yeah. I think there's just a lot of charm.
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It looks so good.
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Everything is cartoony and pleasant, and most of it is like,
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you're running around little gardens or whatever trying to pick up bottle caps and shit.
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It's just fun and calming in the same way that a lot of people found Animal Crossing calming.
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And then those little guys, they're fun.
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I mean, yeah.
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You throw them.
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No argument. It's fun to throw little guys.
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And I think, you know, this sucks, but I do feel like the villains in the game have it coming.
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I feel bad that there's combat.
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It would be nice if there wasn't.
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But those big guys, they're going to eat your little guys at night if you don't kill them.
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I mean, to a certain extent, narratively, every villain has to be deserving of their comeuppance.
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Regardless of whether or not we would say so outside, the narrative has to drive towards them,
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receiving an equal...
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Yeah. I would argue that in a lot of narrative-driven stuff, the villain has a good point, though.
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Oftentimes they're misunderstood or they're like,
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hey, they're right, but they're going about things in the wrong way.
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Sure.
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These villains in Pikmin, nah.
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You know what undercut Black Panther?
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Because I think Michael B. Jordan's character does have a lot of really good points,
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but it's tough when your name is Killmonger to be the good guy.
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You don't name yourself Killmonger if you're the good guy, right?
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It's not a name that you negotiate with.
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You don't come around on Killmonger.
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No, no, no, no, no. You're trying to send a message.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there's a villain named Apocalypse, right?
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Yeah.
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Like, that guy's not going to be... He's not chill.
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Yeah. Now, on the other hand, if the villain names himself just like Terry Jones,
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you're like, I mean, it seems like he could be a normal guy eventually.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Or like your name as a supervillain is, we've got to deal with the problems.
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Then it's like, well, yeah, you know.
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My welcome to systemic issues, man.
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I could hang with that quicker than Killmonger.
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Yeah, Killmonger is real. I think you just write yourself into the corner once you name a character.
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People are going to treat you a certain way.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Anyway, we had a Killmonger to talk about today, and we'll do that in a second.
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Nice. What a transition.
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But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Paul in Alabama has just joined the ranks of the policy wonks.
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Thank you so much. You're not a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Agreepa says Jar Jar Binks to the wonk.
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Sorry technocrat on Aegis company that Kaiju has a black Caribbean accent.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And Lumpski Bear, thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Lucy Lee, Yin to my Yang.
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Happy birthday.
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I love you, Mr. Kylie.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, thank you very much.
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So Jordan, today we are back in the past.
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Gotcha.
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I think when you're a little bit under the weather, uh, it's tough.
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Yeah.
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To listen to Alex.
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Uh, when you got, he's, he's an annoying man and it's a challenge, but when you have
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like a head cold and a fever, you don't want to be listening to this fella.
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No.
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So I decided to, you know, we had to make things easy on myself.
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Let's, let's stay in the past.
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So we're gonna be talking about March 14th, 2006.
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All right.
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And there's not, there's not a lot here.
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There's a lot of, lot of filler on the episode itself, but some of the things that we're
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looking at in 2006 are heavily developed.
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Namely Alex's relationship with Slobodan Milosevic.
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That is, I mean, sure.
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All right.
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So we're going to find out that he's, he's actually, it's okay for him to use slow boat.
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They are close.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Um, I think he's quite, I think we're going to come away from this with a Alex's neutral
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on genocide.
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Well, I mean, neutral, I've, I've throw this out at you.
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There is no neutral on genocide.
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Neutral.
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You already on the, you're on one side.
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That's, it's an interesting take you have.
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And I, I, I agree.
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So we start off here and Alex is talking about how slowbo was murdered.
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The global crime syndicate spin doctors, intelligence agents are in overdrive right now trying to
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spin the murder of Slobodan Milosevic.
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It fits the classic mo.
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He said he was being poisoned, said he was going to be murdered.
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And they had admittedly 24 hour a day bright lights on him for years.
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He never was allowed to have even semi semi darkness and video cameras on him at all times.
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It had been even an international news that there will be three guards whenever anyone was in the cell
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with him.
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He has not seen his wife or children in five years since they grabbed him.
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So no one was allowed in to even see.
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That's all not true.
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And it's unclear where Alex is even taking those assertions from.
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Yeah.
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For one thing, Slobodan Milosevic was acting as his own lawyer and that granted him certain
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privacy's from the jail and the prosecution.
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He was able to have a private office area and he was able to meet with people confidential,
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confidentially when it was arguably part of his defense.
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This is how he took many meetings that were likely how his associates smuggled various
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drugs into him.
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Right.
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They had to give him privileged visiting for like partially because of head of state stuff.
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Sure.
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And then also partially because of he's acting as his own lawyer.
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Yeah.
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He can't have a fair trial if you're always watching him.
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Right.
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Right.
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The jail that Slobo was kept in had a separate comfort room for conjugal visits and while
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I'm not sure if he ever used it with his wife, she did visit him on multiple occasions.
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Sure.
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This behavior from Alex seems sort of desperate.
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Like a major world event happened and he needs to make a conspiracy out of it.
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I'm not sure there's much of an upside to this because I have no idea what the globalists
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would hope to gain out of killing Milosevic at this point.
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If the idea was that they were killing him to shut him up, they took their sweet time
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with that and allowed him to speak in court in his own defense quite a bit already at
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this point.
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Crazy.
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Alex, everything has to be interesting and Slobodan Milosevic's death isn't really all
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that interesting.
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Him dying of a heart attack during his trial for crimes against humanity is disappointing
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from a narrative standpoint because there isn't a big closure where he's held responsible
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for his actions or he gets to have this big third act deus ex machina reveal that he was
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innocent all along.
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Him just dying sucks, but life sucks sometimes.
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Yeah.
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When people say that folks gravitate toward conspiracy theories because they make them
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feel better, it often means something like this.
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The international community spent all this time unseating Milosevic and then all this
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time putting him on trial, then what does that even amount to?
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It ends with a heart attack before the verdict even comes down.
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This is an intolerable level of chaos and most people just want any other explanation.
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Alex is willing to directly lie to the audience and make a victim out of Slobodan Milosevic
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because doing that helps him pretend that there's an order to the universe.
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He couldn't have just randomly died of a heart attack.
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This is too important of a show to get canceled mid-season.
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Yeah.
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And Alex is providing people with the feeling of like, oh no, this is actually part of a
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bigger plot as opposed to like, no, it's just a letdown.
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It sucks.
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Yeah.
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You know, I think we talked about it off air a little bit, but like, listen, you don't
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send Napoleon to the island.
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You just kill him, right?
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You can't be doing this.
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You got to learn your lesson.
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We fucked up that one time.
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Slobo, eh, I get it.
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We all want trials and all that shit.
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No, get him out of here.
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What are we doing?
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You guys are the ones who unseated him from the thing because you know he did the crime.
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Once you unseat him, that is the trial, right?
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No, not necessarily.
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I mean, like you could, you could make an argument of that wasn't like the UN that unseated
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him.
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Sure.
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Obviously there were, you know, there was international support for the groups that
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were opposing him and shit, but like, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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I think that the rule of law is important.
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I'm with you.
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And I think that you, what you're expressing, you run the risk of airing too far the other
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direction.
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I understand that risk, but here's my line for you.
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Slobodan Milosevic.
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Mm-hmm.
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I won't go any further than Slobo.
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Yeah.
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That's our Mendoza line.
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If you're Slobo, sorry, fuck off.
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I'm not, I'm not like being quiet because I'm disagreeing with you.
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I'm being quiet because I keep wanting to make a no Slobo joke.
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I know.
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I'm just like, don't do it.
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Come on, man.
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What is this?
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2020?
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Jesus Christ.
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Um, I don't know.
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I think that there is value to having a quicker prosecution.
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Certainly.
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Let's say that we can agree in the middle there.
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Hey, all I'm saying is that once you're like guarding Slobodan Milosevic and he's bringing
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in somebody to fuck, we've ruined, we've messed up.
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We're wrong.
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We are wrong.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex thinks that the entire story about Serbia is all a fraud.
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That sounds true.
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And this is a mess.
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The whole story we've heard about what happened in Serbia is a fraud.
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And if Slobo's a monster, then the Croats and the Muslims are even bigger monsters.
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If he's a demon, they're Satan in what really happened over there.
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And it's admitted.
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I mean, we've interviewed people like Senator Inhofe years ago who went over there.
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Piles of dead Serb soldiers.
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The coalition forces would kill Serbs, put them in the KLA uniforms, put them in Muslim
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civilian clothes, stage mass graves.
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They'd show piles of manure as fertilizer at farms and claim they were mass graves from
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the government with satellites.
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That was proven to be frauds.
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They would stage massacres.
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All admitted.
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You understand?
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It is admitted that all those big headlines and all those big top stories and all the
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things you heard, mainstream news, the government news has retracted, but always back of the
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paper, tiny blur.
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The propaganda pieces, though, were top news for weeks, top news every night, top news
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on the cable channels, cover of Time, Newsweek, People, just everything.
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Oh, the mass murder.
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Oh, the concentration camp victims.
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When really it would be UN, in one case, refugees all around a UN food center with barbed wire
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around it trying to get in to get the food.
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This is some really disgusting stuff, and I don't want to nitpick this with too much
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of a fine-toothed comb, but I want to bring up a glaring point that Alex needs to do a
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better job about.
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We discussed this Time magazine cover that Alex is talking about on our last 2006 episode,
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and he's lying about what it captured.
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We didn't talk about this on the last episode, but Alex is getting the claim that this footage
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was all faked as a big propaganda stunt from an article that was published in a communist
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magazine called Living Marxism.
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Doesn't seem like that's the kind of place Alex would get his news, but hey, you know,
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2006 is a different time.
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It's a different time, man.
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So Living Marxism published an article attacking the ITN reporters' coverage of the camps in
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Bosnia, so the reporters sued them and won a massive judgment in the high court.
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ITN said that they would give the money they got out of the judgment to the Red Cross,
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and Living Marxism was put out of business.
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Right.
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The claims that Alex is relying on to deny Milosevic's crimes are actually just libels
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that have already been adjudicated in court, and he has every reason to know that.
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The bigger problem for his show is that that picture was captured during the Bosnian War,
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not the Kosovo War.
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If Alex wants to make Slobodan Milosevic into the good guy because he was fighting against
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Muslims or Albanians in the Kosovo Liberation Army, that's wrong.
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But at least from the conventionally accepted borders of the time, Kosovo was within the
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territory of Serbia.
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You'd be wrong to do so, but Alex could take the position that Slobo carried out atrocities
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for the sake of putting down a rebellion that was carrying out even greater atrocities.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
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He could maybe stand on that foot.
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If you wanted to be, yeah.
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But Milosevic began a war against the KLA in 1998.
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The picture of the man at the concentration camp that was on the cover of Time was from
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August 1992.
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That picture was taken in Bosnia and Herzegovina, where the Serb population of that country,
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with the assistance of Milosevic, were trying to wipe out the Muslim and Croat populations.
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Sure.
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Alex is trying to argue that Milosevic is the good guy or lesser of the bad guys in
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the Kosovo War, but the examples of instances where he thinks the globalists did propaganda
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false flags are about the Bosnian War.
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Even that mass graves thing that he's talking about has to do with Serabrenica, which is
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in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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The UN had decided that Serbrenica was a safe zone, so naturally that led to refugees
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from around the country going there to escape violence.
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In 1995, Serb forces stormed Serbrenica and killed over 8,000 people.
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US intelligence produced satellite images of mass graves, which prompted Bosnian Serb
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forces to dig up the graves and rebury bodies in various locations so someone might think
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that the graves were just manure piles if they came to investigate, which is what Alex
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is perpetuating.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Alex is saying monstrous stuff here, and it's very inexcusable at this point in 2006 for
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him to have these takes.
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But bigger problem, I don't think he knows the difference between Bosnia and Kosovo.
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Yeah, it does feel like that is the case.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if he knows the difference between Bosnia and Serbia.
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No.
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Other than that they're at war.
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Like if the details of who's who lost on him, he knows that two people are at war.
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That's kind of more what I'm getting from him.
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I think he understands that it all has something to do with Yugoslavia.
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Right.
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And commies.
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But he doesn't know where that is.
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And something.
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Doesn't know why Muslims are really involved, because Muslims and commies and, but also
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he doesn't really know where Kosovo is.
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You know, I think he knows that one a little better.
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Okay.
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Because, you know, he's talking about like Jim Inhofe.
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Right.
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Jim Inhofe was a major supporter of Kosovo.
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Senator.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so like I think that Alex understands that one geographically, but I don't know.
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I don't know if he understands the distinction between things that happened when and how
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both have to do with Milosevic.
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Yeah.
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I think he just thinks like, ah, he's dealing with uprisings or something.
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Whatever it is, I don't think he comes off as in any way a trustworthy source of information.
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Right.
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Anybody who was listening to this who had read stuff should probably be like, this guy
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sounds like a fucking idiot.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Let me throw this out at you again.
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Here, not to belabor the point, but a slowbo, you know, because I think if I were to go
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by, if you, Hey, listen, you don't get a trial.
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If you made a mass grave and then made people dig it up to hide that you made a mass grave.
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Yeah.
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Cause I feel like the net that that would catch very small.
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Sure.
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I think that it's unfortunate, but the way that a lot of the atrocities were carried
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out, were maybe difficult to link directly to Solubadon, Milosevic.
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Sure.
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Because there were, you know, like Serbian, uh, uh, you know, uh, uh, militias within
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Bosnia and Herzegovina or Croatia.
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And like, I think that maybe some of those mass graves that we were talking about, maybe
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you wouldn't be able to tie it back to him.
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Sure.
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Maybe even some of the concentration camps and shit that would, you know, we're just
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going to, eh, ah.
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Eh, we'll be fine.
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Man, weird that Alex likes this guy.
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He's horrifying that he likes this guy.
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So this, this next clip, even more horrifying.
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In one case, uh, refugees all around a UN food center with barbed wire around it, trying
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to get in to get the food.
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And they show one guy who had tuberculosis, uh, who was very, very skinny.
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Of course, then if you see the rest of the video, which has now been shown, it shows
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fat people on either side of him, but they are there disheveled, begging for food.
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And they said, look at him in a Serb camp.
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Don't lie.
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They staged it knowingly and the ITN individuals have now been proven to be government operatives.
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This is what they do.
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And so get past your emotion of I don't like him.
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He's a, he's a Hitler.
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Not true.
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Did they go around and get into ethnic warfare?
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They try to force people out of certain areas?
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Yes.
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Were they first?
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Yes.
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Did they not give into the UN and the new world order?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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So you chose a random date for us to go back to.
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And I think we've accidentally stumbled onto one of the most revealing moments in Alex's career.
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I mean, this is wild.
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He's not opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing if you just say you didn't start it.
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Yep.
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This is insane.
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I mean, okay.
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Like while I understand the concept of I didn't start it, once you go force people out of
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their homes, you are starting it.
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Now you have now started a second part of it.
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Did they start an ethnic war and it displaced people?
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I feel like you can't yada yada yada that.
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Yes.
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Now granted they did.
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No, that's not okay.
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That's not even a, that's not like a, ah, you get one.
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You don't get any.
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Hey, come on.
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Boys will be boys.
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I'm sure they'll learn their lesson.
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No, once you take a bunch of people's land, you're probably going to keep doing it.
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I can't, I can't imagine Alex like being this blunt.
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This is so, this is so, are we going to do a little ethnic cleansing ice?
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What do you want?
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I don't know.
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It stands for I see ethnic cleansing.
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I, it's hard to imagine why you, um, you know, I, it's, this is difficult because no one,
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no one really took this seriously.
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It feels like this should have been way more important than it was.
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I guess, I guess it feels like, so it's 2006.
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Yeah.
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The people aren't too interested in slowbo.
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Yeah.
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He's like a back page story.
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He's been in the Hague for five years or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, for five years.
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The trial's been ongoing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But, so, so I can understand why this doesn't like move the needle for a large group of
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people, but at the same time it should like raise your ear and go, wait, he's fine with
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ethnic cleansing?
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We're seven years removed from like the end of the Balkan war.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Uh, and like, so I guess maybe some of the heat of, I think this is a sweet spot too
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because 2006 isn't where like social media isn't around.
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Yeah.
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So people aren't going to be making a big deal out of like Alex's wishy washy on ethnic
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cleansing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This could disappear into the radio waves.
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Yeah.
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And people wouldn't be able to like, you know, remember it.
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It's so, it's so hard to put yourself back in a pre everybody's on Facebook world where
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it's like anything could turn into the topic of Facebook that day.
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Yeah.
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Whereas this could just be there and gone and no one would ever remember.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But then if you take this seriously and you take the position that he has seriously, then
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like, obviously he's in favor of expelling non-white people from the United States.
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Absolutely.
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He feels like they're trying to start an ethnic war with him.
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It's exactly what that, it's exactly the, yeah.
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Like it totally makes sense how brutal he wants things to be.
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And it explains his, his present, like it just should have taken him seriously.
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I mean, it is, it is wild to think that of all the problems that we've had with so many
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political figures that Alex specifically has had with so many of those political figures,
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it is the one most like Slobodan Milosevic that he decided to support.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Wild.
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Slobo.
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Slobo and Trump are not that far apart.
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I think, yeah, one of them had a better reality show.
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That is true.
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That is true.
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That was keeping up with the Slobos.
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Oh God.
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Oh boy.
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So anything, anyway, everything that we're told about, about Milosevic.
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Obviously can't be true.
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It cannot be true.
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It's not true.
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It's just so amazing that, that what we were told about Slobo and Arcan and all the rest
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of these guys, 95% of it wasn't true.
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Were they hard nosed?
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Yeah, but 5% is still-
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Were they doing a lot of bad things?
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Yes.
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Were their backs against the wall under attack and under siege?
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Yes.
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I didn't mean to start the show with this today.
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I just started looking at this New York Times article.
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Experts suggest Milosevic died in a drug ploy.
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Yes, he did it.
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There's no evidence of that.
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All the evidence says they poisoned him.
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So Alex in the clip said the things we hear about Slobo and Arcan are not true.
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Uh oh.
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Do you know that guy?
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Don't remember him.
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So Arcan was the alias of a guy named Zelko Raznatovic, who was one of the most brutal
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and violent warlords in the Balkans up until his death in 2000.
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He was a bank robber and general criminal until the breakup of Yugoslavia when he decided
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to start a paramilitary group called the Serb Volunteer Guard that grew out of football
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hooliganism and violent crime.
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He's an ambitious guy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This was an international terrorist group that killed unknown numbers of people in Bosnia,
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Croatia, and Serbia.
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He was a thug, not a politician.
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So Milosevic didn't see Arcan as a threat to his power, but more as like a blunt instrument
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he could use to kill civilians.
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Who's not technically his own instrument, but somebody who's acting independently,
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quote unquote.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't threaten political power and can probably be crushed by state military power
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if need be.
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But for now, he's aimed at the right people.
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Right.
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It's fucking insane for Alex to be talking about how we're all lied to about these warlords.
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I mean, it is amazing the idea that you can, because I don't subscribe to that concept
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of like, hey, listen, 95% of what they're telling you is wrong.
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But within the 5% that they told me was true, you have admitted was ethnic cleansing, kicking
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people out of their homes.
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You interviewed yourself and copped to that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I, while I respect that lying is wrong, I don't care in regards to this one.
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You can't even have 5%.
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You can't have 2%.
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You can't have 2% ethnic cleansing.
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That's no.
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Right.
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And let's like pump the fucking brakes.
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These numbers are made up.
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Absolutely.
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These percentages are made the fuck up.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Even by your own ridiculous percentages, you are indicted.
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95% of the stuff that I accused them of saying about these people is a lie.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Well, you're lying about what other people are saying.
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Yeah.
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So what numbers are real here?
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We are tangled in a web of lies.
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And, and, uh, yeah, I mean like what, the numbers can't capture the substance.
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And I think that there is obviously a much larger, uh, political and historical picture
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that goes into the, the Balkans and the breakup of Yugoslavia.
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Of course.
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And it can't be as simply told as like the Serbs were bad or the Bosniaks and the Croats
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were good or anything like that.
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And I don't want to give that impression.
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Yeah.
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I think it's possible to view the situation as more complex as one side versus another
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and still say like, yeah, Arkan was a fucking brutal warlord who killed civilians and is
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not deserving of your support.
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Yeah.
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You don't have to be somebody who's like against the Serb population to not look up to him.
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It's very easy.
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Yeah.
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And Alex can get there.
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I, you know what it speaks to?
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It speaks to the power of that rhetorical trick.
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You know, that like preemptive, did he kill some people?
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Yes.
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Was it for a bad reason?
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Of course.
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Did he murder my mom?
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Maybe, you know, like you can't, but who's among us?
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It's such a ridiculous rhetorical trick as it gets more insane.
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Yeah.
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I think that, I think that it's why you don't take it seriously.
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No.
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Don't take any rhetorical tricks seriously.
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If you hear something like that.
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Nah, let it go.
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Yeah.
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So Alex sucks, man.
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He really does.
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This is bad.
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This is bad.
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Um, so caller calls in and asks him, hey man, do you want to run for president?
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What the fuck?
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Do you want to run for president?
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The thing I've missed, are you willing to run for president?
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I mean, I'm not going to run for president.
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Thank you, sir.
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That guy's high.
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And number one, I'm not old enough to run for president.
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I'm going to be 35 to run for president.
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I'm 32 years of age.
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Number two, the presidency's totally bought for, bought off and controlled.
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We all, 60% of people came out in the last election to vote, but on average about 8%
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come out to vote in local elections when the real power is local.
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So the presidency itself is turning into a diversion, a distraction.
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You can forget seizing control of that.
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You got to start at the lower level first.
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And no, I don't plan to ever run for political office.
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Um, we're way past that point trying to get control of committee chairmanships and trying
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to get control of the presidency.
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It's going to happen at the state level if it happens at all.
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I think that tells you everything you need to know about the shift Alex made in the recent
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years.
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Previous to being recruited by Roger Stone, Alex didn't believe that it was possible to
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seize power on the national level.
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He knew that the ideas he pushed were things that he could usually make sound decent in
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long-winded meandering rants, but when it was time to put them into law, no one would
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be interested.
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It's awesome to yell about freedom and how the man can't hold back the human spirit.
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But when you realize that what's behind that is a law making it so employers are free from
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responsibility for on the job injuries, your enthusiasm fades just a little bit.
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It's a little different.
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Alex likes to act like upholding the constitution is the end all be all of his philosophy.
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And part of that is the importance of states rights over the federal government.
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But that's an act.
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In the real world, he just recognized that his ideology couldn't compete on the national
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level, whereas there was a real chance that a very small number of zealots could change
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a local election.
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His shit was unpopular, but unpopular can work when turnout is low enough.
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When you hear a clip like this, there's a draw towards thinking, wow, Alex sure has
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changed.
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But I actually think that this is very compatible with his present day ideology.
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It's not about whether the states or the federal government should be in charge.
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It's all about power and how it can be taken.
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At some point, Alex was convinced that a top-down seizure of power was possible, whereas
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before he believed that it could only come bottom up.
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He only could take the states and use that to control the federal government or to disempower
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it to the point where your states could do whatever they wanted.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think that's such a great, how would I put it?
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If you take a look at his words from those different time periods, you see different
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words, and if you think those different words mean anything, you're absurd.
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But that goal is what changed the words.
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That idea of this is what we do to create something small and then go from something
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big changed once he thought he could get something big and oppress something small.
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Yeah.
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It's not that the words meant anything in either situation.
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It's just that the goal changed.
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Well, no.
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The goal was the same.
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Well, the goal, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The tactics.
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The goal was always taking power.
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Right.
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The tactics changed.
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Yeah.
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What we thought the means to the goal was or what he was pretending was the way we are
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going to achieve this thing.
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Yep.
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That's what changed because that was all bullshit.
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Yep.
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But he ... Because there is this sense that like, wow, we're never going to be able to
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take over government.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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We're not going to get people into these positions.
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Yeah.
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Because he had that ... He'd given up on that.
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Yeah.
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There was an appearance and a preaching of like the only true way according to the Constitution
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is to go bottom up.
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Yeah.
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And that was bullshit.
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Yep.
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That was all fake.
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Yeah.
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That's all ludicrous.
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Yeah.
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It was all rationalization in service of the only way he felt his side and his extremism
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could get power.
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Right.
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Right.
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Every time we're asked like, what does Alex really believe?
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Does he believe the shit he's saying?
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And it's like, you should get rid of the shit he's saying and you should see if this is
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what he believes is how to get power, he will say it.
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The end.
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And I think that you can oversimplify ... You can think that's oversimplified a little bit
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with like just ignore everything he's saying.
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Right, right, right, right.
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That's not true.
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No.
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You should not discount everything.
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Right.
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You should not take him as ... Like you shouldn't ... A liar isn't always lying.
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Right.
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But a liar is often lying.
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And yeah, and you can't trust somebody if they're a liar.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, we had another caller and they want to know, hey, who's going to win this next
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election?
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Yeah.
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His 2008 election.
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Oh boy.
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Now we know that Alex should probably be like head on swivel about this Obama guy.
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And it seems like if God was talking to him ...
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I guess it is 2006.
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Yeah.
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Obama's not like the biggest figure in politics.
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Junior Senator from Illinois.
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But God talks to him.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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God does the talking.
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Yeah.
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He shouldn't need to have media coverage.
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Yeah.
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Who do either one of you, both of you actually think is going to be our next president?
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And now listen.
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Well, I've said I don't think the presidency matters.
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The globalists have got that bought and paid for and it's going to be their pony.
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I mean, whether it's Hillary or whether it's some Republican, it doesn't matter.
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It's the same agenda, Jim.
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I think it's going to be Mark Warner, but I agree with you.
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Close.
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That's the Virginian governor?
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Yes.
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What DownsidesDC.org is all about is about going around the electoral process and focusing
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on putting the pressure on the people in office, making it mind-numbing and relentless.
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Yeah.
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A lot of people are saying it's going to be the governor of Virginia.
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Yeah.
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He's the most centrist and he's in the south and I think he kind of follows the pattern
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of Clinton.
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I think the Democrats want him.
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I think George Bush has really hurt the Republican.
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I agree with you.
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And he went to the Bilderberg last year and he's going this year, we're told.
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And so that's, I mean, he'll be knighted right there and he swore in by the Elsie, by himself.
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So a very, very serious situation.
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All right.
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I guess, I guess it's very serious.
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Um, I guess if you're anointed at Bilderberg, it doesn't really mean anything, right?
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Cause he, Mark Warner didn't.
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Yeah.
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He wasn't present.
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It would mean more if you hadn't also run the country into a massive depression.
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That one, that the calculus changes on that one a little bit.
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Well, I think, I think Mark Warner is certainly, Alex made a documentary about him later.
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The Warner deception.
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Um, yeah, his predictions are always right.
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That's one thing we should know.
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Oh yeah.
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We should, he's, that's why everybody calls him like, that's why he still gets talking
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because he's, he's called so much, right?
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You know, you can say he's crazy, but now look at where we are.
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Like a Fox.
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Genius.
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So he's talking to this guy from an organization called Downsize DC, which is kind of funny
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in hindsight now.
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I would describe them as a, this term got thrown around a bit during the, uh, during,
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during the, I guess this era, paper terrorism.
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Where he's explicitly saying he wants to make it mind numbing to be in government.
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We're going to send, it's not illegal to send letters, so we're going to send 10 million
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letters.
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Every day, this guy's going to have to open each letter and just the very fact that he's
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going to get so many paper cuts is going to make him listen to us.
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And he explicitly is saying like, we set out to make it so their paper is jammed in the
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fax machines.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And like just make it so government is impossible to function.
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Right.
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And like, that's the mentality they have in 2006 towards the federal government.
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And now they're mad if people blow whistles at ICE agents.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, the irony there is of course they are doing a better job at keeping the
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government from working by being in the government than by sending a lot of paper.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, there's workarounds I think to the paper stuff.
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Yeah, it's a lot easier to get around that.
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Yeah.
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You can learn to deal with that nuisance, that annoyance.
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Whereas them being in charge is just like, molosovitchy.
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Do you know what I would, I would, listen, there are a lot of, there's a lot of shit,
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right?
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And it can't quite be solved by just, you know, talk em ups and whatnot.
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But I would like it if more administrators in the Trump administration could just be
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like, we're really not that good at this.
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Like we can do some, some stuff, but like, I don't know actuaries, man.
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I'm actually not that good at this.
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Like I would just like that admission.
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Hey, can I tell you a secret?
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No one knows what an actuary is.
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Exactly.
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See what I'm saying?
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Like I would love it if they were like, honestly, this was a lot harder than I expected.
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All of this, I think it's magic.
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There's so many numbers.
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Every time I ask a question, all these people use words at me.
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I'm terrified.
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Yeah.
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So the rest of this episode is kind of a dud, kind of boring, but I think it's so critical.
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It's so important.
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And also I've been sick, so I have, I'm a little light on being able to pull myself
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up on my bootstraps.
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It is such a, it is such a weird, random coincidental thing to go back 20 years based on a number
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I just chose out of nowhere and discover that Alex is a slowbo fan.
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I don't know if there's any possible way I could have predicted any of that.
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It's so weird.
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I mean, granted, it was a little collaboration in terms of the date, but I didn't choose
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this specifically for this at all.
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This is a big old surprise.
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I apologize for not giving you full credit on the date.
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I chose 2006.
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You did.
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You did.
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And I rejected a couple of your dates.
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I could have rigged this.
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It was only, it was only a, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I apologize.
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I it's, it's unnecessary.
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You know, you don't need, you don't need to defend Slobodan Milosevic.
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Nope.
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I don't, this is such a noxious position for him to have, I believe.
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And uh, it's, it's like I said on our last episode, it's not one that he keeps for a
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very long time.
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So I got fascinated by like, what is, what is going to happen here?
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So fucking weird.
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Yeah.
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So weird.
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There are so few Slobodan Milosevic supporters then, now, before then.
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Well, I mean among like maybe Serb nationalist, uh, but at the end, even there, not many people
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on his team.
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It's diminished.
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There were still some people, but at the end there really weren't that many.
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Somehow at the end, Alex jumps on the bandwagon, the empty bandwagon of Slobo fans.
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I like, uh, when we were able to see something that's confusing and also somewhat, maybe
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too relevant in the past.
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And so I'm, I'm appreciative for that.
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It is a, it is a light that illuminates a confusion.
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Yeah.
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And man, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep digging at this thread.
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I'm gonna see what I can learn.
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I think we have to find out all there is to know about this.
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This is crazy.
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Alex's walk with Slobo.
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So we'll check back in on that.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgevide.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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