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Stop it. Andy and, Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy and, Andy and.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're couple dudes, like to sit around,
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worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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Well it's still February so tradition dictates that you must go first.
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Well fair enough. I suppose my bright spot today is that it is getting, I, here's what I'll do.
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I'll do this right. I just want to know what the weather's going to be in the future.
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Right? So rather than try and hope for better weather, what I'm going to do is say that my
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bright spot is things are getting warmer. Yeah.
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And the future appears to be getting warmer still.
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It does look like that. Now granted we're coming from a place of very cold.
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This is why I am saying this now because when it gets cold again, I'll know that it's my fault.
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So I'm expecting it to get cold again despite the lies of them saying that it's going to be warm.
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So I'm going to say that I'm grateful that it's warm,
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thus guaranteeing that it will continue to be cold.
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It's starting to feel a little bit like tolerable.
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Yeah.
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And that is nice news for people who like to be outside. Whether you have to walk a dog or
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I want to go to the woods.
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Yeah.
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You know like it's been not, not an option really.
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Yeah.
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For a bit.
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This morning was the first couple of times, like the last couple of days was the first time that
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I'd gotten to take the dogs out without shoes in the morning for a long time.
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We're, I mean, there's talk of forties.
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I've heard.
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Yeah.
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Madness. Madness.
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A balmy 40.
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Do you not remember? It was negative 30 a while back.
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Sure was.
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Crazy.
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Yeah, man. Well, I'm glad that you're taking the time to be grateful to the universe for being
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warmer.
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Absolutely. How about you? What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot, I guess, is that because it's still been a little bit cold and I haven't been
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able to go to the woods. I have started replaying Pikmin.
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Okay.
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From the beginning.
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So I started at one.
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All right.
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And I'm going to go through them up till four.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, I'm going to see if I can get through it without me getting annoyed by the game or it
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bothering me.
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Yeah.
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Because I remember I love all of them and I have positive memories of it.
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Yeah.
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And so far I've made a real quick run through Pikmin 1.
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Yeah.
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That's a pretty small game, all things considered.
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Right.
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But yeah, it's been a delight. I'm excited for two and we'll see where it goes from there.
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We'll see where it goes. It might be a deeper relationship. Maybe by the time Pikmin 5 comes
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around, it'll be ready.
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I don't know if they'll ever make a Pikmin 5.
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Yeah, probably not.
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I hope they will. I think it's a great structure for a game.
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Yeah.
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It's a lot of fun to throw those little guys around and pick up stuff.
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Solve little problems.
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Is Pikmin like... Because I've never played Pikmin, but my understanding of it is essentially
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like the cubed version of Lemmings from the old, old Lemmings days.
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It's like you multiply that in a bunch of different ways and you get Pikmin.
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Not really, because Lemmings are all about getting through a course or whatever.
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Right.
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And the Lemmings walk forward and you have to have ones that blow up things in order
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to blow something up or dig Lemmings.
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Right.
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It's not like that, because that's on rails.
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The Lemmings keep moving forward.
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No matter what.
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Yeah. And the Pikmin, they follow you around and you can throw them at stuff.
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Right.
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And so you're Captain Olimar in the first one.
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Okay.
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You've crash landed on the planet.
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Oh boy.
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And it may or may not be Earth. Probably is Earth.
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Probably Earth.
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And you find little guys, little alien guys.
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Yeah.
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And they like you and you hit it off and you find you can throw them at stuff and then
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they'll break down walls and pick up things.
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So you have to go find all the pieces of your craft.
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Yeah.
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Your spaceship that has been broken on this planet.
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This is a new take on the alien invasion.
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A lot of people lately have been going more Independence Day with it.
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I like this.
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I like this style.
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This is like essentially meeting the Dodo and then using it to solve problems, if I
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understand correctly.
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Sure.
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And you have as much concern for their well being as the Dodo.
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That sounds about right.
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But there's something that really strikes a deep tone about the game where you're stuck
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on this planet and you're lonely.
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You know, there's no one around.
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You're the only human on this planet except your little friends.
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Your little Pikmin friends.
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Absolutely.
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And then in future games, you have to come back on behalf of a corporation that wants
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to make money off this planet.
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What?
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Yeah.
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Jesus Christ.
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But I think there's a satire in it.
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Anyway, I'm enjoying it and hopefully two will live up to my memories.
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Yeah, that'd be nice.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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All right.
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And it's gonna be a mini little, probably a short episode, a Bagel Boss sized episode.
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I made Jordan watch the Bagel Boss video before the episode started.
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Sometimes whenever I miss out on something, it delivers.
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Sometimes.
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Most of the time, whenever I miss out on stuff, no big deal.
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No problem.
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This one, there was a solid punch at the end.
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To me, I made a reference to the Bagel Boss and you were super confused.
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And to me, that feels like Hocktua level of like, you have to know what this is.
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How did you miss that?
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I missed Hocktua.
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But you know what that is.
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I do now because you explained it to me in almost the exact same kind of circumstances.
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I didn't seek out Hocktua.
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I'm not saying you sought it out.
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As the same with Bagel Boss.
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Absolutely.
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I would like to not know who these people are.
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I'm getting trickle down memes from you.
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I think you secretly know about these things and you pretend not to.
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What end?
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It's just you and me.
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Your wife doesn't come home and be like, Jordan, you got to hear about the Bagel Boss.
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The kids at school aren't talking about the Bagel Boss?
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I don't have anyone to impress by watching or not watching.
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My dogs will not care one way or the other.
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That's not true.
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That is not true.
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Sonny is the little jacuzzi.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Bagel Boss sized episode.
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Short in stature.
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Salty.
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And we'll get down to business on what's going on.
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But first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Bea Elzabeve and her 100 foot tall mantis being that breaks your will.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Next, Trucker Pikachu.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And MJB saying happy 40th birthday.
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Love, MLB.
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That would be amazing.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to happy anniversary.
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My Darth Jar Jar of the Caribbean.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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So we are back in the past.
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Sure.
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And our last episode was about March 10th, 2006.
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And there is no 11th or 12th because there's no Saturday.
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And Alex didn't have a Sunday show.
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It was the first year.
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I remember that.
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They got rid of the 10th and 11th or the 11th and 12th of March.
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It's like hotels with the 13th floor.
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Exactly.
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06 was a rough year for people.
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So Monday is the 13th.
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And there was a part of me that was like, well, let's check back in on the present.
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Let's just get a little taste of Epstein files are going crazy.
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People are very sure that something's going to happen.
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Sure.
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A lot of folks on Alex's team were mad about Bad Bunny.
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Sure.
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So there's some interesting stuff maybe to get into.
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But I dipped into the 13th, and there's a major world news event that I think we had
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forgotten happens right here.
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Oh, my God.
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And so I had to stick around and talk about this.
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Yes, please.
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And so that news is that Slobodan Milosevic has died.
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All right, two big guests lined up for you today.
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We're going to get into the clear murder of Slobodan Milosevic
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and the admitted poisoning that he underwent.
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Wonder why?
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Well, because he was testifying on his own behalf and exposing how Al Qaeda works with
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the US government was attacking his country.
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And that was in a Republican report by the Senate in 1999.
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Again, Al Qaeda always working for its father.
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It sprung from the loins of the NWO and is a is a dutiful hound when it comes to running
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down sovereign nations.
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So, yeah, the big news for this weekend was that Slobodan Milosevic had died in a prison
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cell at The Hague.
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And Alex has immediately decided this is murder.
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I mean, here's what I think.
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I think of all the things that I was expecting, the first one that we were going to hear wasn't
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going to be something that was like, I'm kind of on Slobodan Milosevic's side.
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Wait for it.
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Okay, because the vibe I'm getting is I'm I'm saying that Slobodan was framed.
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I feel like that's what I'm getting this episode, though.
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Our content is short and there is not that much to talk about.
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There's a lot to talk about.
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He's a weird take.
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Why pick them?
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Okay, fine.
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Okay, fine.
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So it's only been a few days, but the info wars forensic team has determined that this
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was a poisoning case closed.
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Sure.
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Done and done.
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So Alex is wrong about this, and Milosevic died of a heart attack.
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His trial for crimes against humanity had been going on for over four years at this
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point, and it hadn't finished at the time of his death.
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He'd done a lot of crimes against humanity.
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That was just them naming the number of crimes that he'd done against humanity.
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Yeah, he was a bad dude.
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Yeah.
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So part of the reason that the trial went on as long as it did was because Milosevic
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was in such poor health.
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This is explained in the report on the investigation of his death.
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Quote, the trial was interrupted frequently during the prosecution case because of Mr.
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Milosevic's health.
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In August 2002, the trial schedule was reduced on the recommendation of the cardiologist
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treating Mr. Milosevic, Dr. Van Dickman, to allow four consecutive days of rest every
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two weeks of trial.
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This was further reduced in September 2003 on the advice of Dr. Van Dickman to a trial
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schedule of only three days sitting a week.
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They did a full toxicology report and found that there was no sign of any poisons in his
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system, just the regular medications that he was prescribed for things like blood pressure.
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Sure.
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There's one interesting wrinkle, which is that a blood sample taken from him in January,
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two months prior to his death, did have traces of rifampicin in it, which wasn't prescribed.
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This is an antibiotic that's used to treat leprosy and tuberculosis, but it can have
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a side effect of making drugs meant to deal with hypertension less effective.
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It's unclear how he would have gotten this drug without it being prescribed since he
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was in a prison, but it provides a possible explanation for how Milosevic could have been
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at a greater risk of heart attack at that time.
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Sure.
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The autopsy and toxicology report done after his death showed that he didn't have any
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rifampicin in his system, though, so it's unlikely that him having a heart attack like
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that weekend, it's unlikely that it could have been caused by an antibiotic making his
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hypertension meds less effective.
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Right, right, right.
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But two months prior, there was that blood test, and that's interesting, and that's where
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the poisoning argument comes from for Alex.
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Right, but it is almost certainly just a wild coincidence that has absolutely nothing to
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do with this, or it could be a small factor in this, but ultimately what killed him was
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that he's an old fucking man, and he was in prison.
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With severe problems with his heart.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He had some arterial issues.
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Yeah.
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I feel like, here's what I'm saying, all right?
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If you've got one of those guys, you gotta kill him before he dies.
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You know, we gotta be like, hey, listen, this guy's gonna die, but we gotta do it.
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We gotta take you out.
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We can't just let-
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Like on principle.
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Yeah, we can't just let life take, listen, life is gonna take all of us sooner or later,
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but this one's for us, you know?
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Yeah, and I don't know how I would argue with that, but it certainly connects to some feelings.
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Yeah, and in terms of this poisoning argument, I would say that it's less like a coincidence
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the way you're saying, but it's unrelated to the cause of death.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Him having that in his system is not a coincidence, but it's not an attempted poisoning.
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Coincidence is a literal word that could be used, but the implication is not the same.
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It's more it's a non-sequitur.
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Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So on the surface, it seems weird that he would have this antibiotic in his system and
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it not be something he was prescribed, but in early February, the guards searched his
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cell and they found other unprescribed medications that were smuggled into him by privileged
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visitors.
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Okay.
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He had a privileged office that was outside-
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See what I'm saying?
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You gotta kill him.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, he's a former head of state.
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Totally.
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You have to allow him to have confidential meetings.
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All of it makes perfect sense.
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I understand everybody's reasoning, but they are not understanding my reasoning, which
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is that you gotta kill him.
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So basically, here's what was going on.
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Milosevic wanted to be given a provisional release to get medical treatment in Russia,
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presumably as some part of a plan to flee there and hide in exile-
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How would you not?
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And either evade international law or delay his trial to a point where he could escape
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from what was clearly coming.
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Yeah, and good on him.
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That's what you should be trying to do.
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Yeah.
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So he didn't comply with his prison medical team, but was getting outside medical attention
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smuggled to him, which he took in the form of him not taking various things that he was
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prescribed and taking other things that he wasn't prescribed that people had brought
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into the prison for him.
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Crazy.
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He had a very serious heart condition, and through his unwillingness to cooperate with
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the treatment plan, he made his own death much more likely, although probably not a
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suicide attempt on his part.
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He was trying to derail something in order to get to Russia for treatment.
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Whatever was going on, people had a bad plan.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And one of the things, if you read through the full report on his death, there were
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unprescribed medications that he was taking that someone had snuck into him in the prison
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that were things that the doctors tried to get him to take, and he had refused.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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He had refused it from the prison doctors, but he would take it from these people.
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Yeah.
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It's a derailment of the prison healthcare.
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Yeah.
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Well, I understand totally not taking something prescribed and then taking the exact same
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thing from somebody that you trust who gave it to you, especially...
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But that's because you're crazy, right?
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If you're at The Hague with your own private room, you're being taken care of so much better
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than you have any right to be.
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Why would they murder you that way?
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At that point, too.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That'd be ridiculous.
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So Alex is like, hey man, Milosevic, set up.
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It was all a setup.
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I cannot believe that.
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Nope.
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Before I get into all of that, let's get into someone Milosevic who was clearly murdered.
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Back in the early 1990s, ITN admittedly produced fake video of a food storage pantry, a cinderblock
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aid building, part of a UN building that had food.
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And it showed about 50 people, you've all seen the footage on the cover of Time magazine
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and still shot of the video, up against the barbed wire begging for food.
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But our media, starting with ITN over in England, said that these were concentration camp victims
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behind barbed wire begging for food.
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It turned out it was an MI6 propaganda piece, much like Saddam throwing babies out of incubators
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was admitted, paid for Pentagon PR.
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That's not admitted.
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It just told a lie.
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But it didn't matter.
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That spurred the US to support the UN going in and stealing large portions of Serbia and
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engaging in mass murder of the Serbian people.
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Now I'm not getting into a fight here with the Croats and the Muslims and everybody else.
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Okay, man.
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So Alex is talking about the Bosnian war, which lasted from 1992 to 1995.
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That war was a piece of the larger fallout from the breakup of Yugoslavia, which led
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to the creation of the state of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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This was a country that had a largely split population with the major blocks of Bosniaks
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and Serbs who were Muslim and Orthodox respectively, and a minority population of Croats who were
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mostly Catholic.
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The Serb population of the country did not support the unified independent government
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of Bosnia and Herzegovina and had a separatist streak aligning with the country directly
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to their east Serbia, whose president was Slobodan Milosevic simultaneously.
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The Croats and Bosniaks didn't really get along, and they were fighting each other,
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which helped make it easier for the Serbs to take over most of the country with the
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aid of Milosevic.
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The picture that Alex is talking about from the cover of Time magazine was of a man named
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Fikrat Alek, who was at the time being held at the Turnipolj camp, which was a Serb-run
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prison, not a food depot.
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This was in 1992, and word had reached the media about a concentration camp called Omarska,
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where Croats and Bosnian Muslims were alleged to be being held and tortured.
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The Serbs offered to allow Western media to come in to tour Omarska and see how wrong
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this story was.
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While they were there, journalists uncovered that detainees had been taken from Omarska
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to other, more obscure detention centers in advance of their visit.
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The guy in that Time magazine cover had arrived at Trmolžpa from another camp, Karaterm,
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where he witnessed 130 people being murdered in a hangar.
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He had just arrived there recently because of the reshuffling around of detainees.
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After speaking to the media, Fikrat Alek was targeted and likely would have been killed
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had he not managed to escape from that camp, where only four days later, over 200 people
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were executed, including his cousin.
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That sounds right.
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The ITV footage that Alex is talking about, you can find it.
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It's on YouTube, and there's no other way to put this.
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Alex is fucking lying about an ethnic cleansing campaign that was carried out in the 90s in
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Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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Yeah, that one was...
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Yeah.
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So...
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Like, even with a bad memory, I remember Omarska.
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I wasn't even barely alive.
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Yeah, and him being like, no, it was a food depot.
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Everyone was like, what?
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That's wild.
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That's why you gotta get him, just to let everybody know that monsters can be...
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Monsters are real.
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Some responsibility is possible in the world.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, you might be coming away from this with the perspective that Alex is like,
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hey, I like this Milosevic guy.
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It feels like he's very much in the Milosevic camp, but there are very few camps that are
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good to be in if you are in one of Milosevic's camps.
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First of all, those camps were food depots.
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And second of all, Alex is like, hey, man, he was a bad guy.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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But all this stuff about it is also a lie.
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No!
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So Slovan Milosevic did a lot of bad things, but most of what you hear is a lie.
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Most of the official stories you hear is a fraud.
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Al Qaeda, led by the super CIA officer, Osama bin Laden, this is a Senate report.
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That's why Al Fosdamao, he thought he was doing his job and then
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railroaded him out of there real fast.
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He put this report out.
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Al Qaeda, starting in 1997, began rocket attacks, attacks on schools.
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The good old CIA favorite of blowing up school buses.
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And then when Slobo ordered troops into the south, into Kosovo, they went down there and
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they said, we want the Muslims to stay, you're welcome to stay, live in peace.
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We're just going to kick out the paramilitary forces, the KLA, which was openly CIA funded.
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So the KLA or the Kosovo Liberation Army is an entire different piece of this history.
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They were an Albanian separatist group that had wanted to be independent from Yugoslavia
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and then Serbia after Yugoslavia broke up.
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This has to do with the Kosovo war that went from 1998 to 1999, which also involves Slobodan
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Milosevic, but is different than the Bosnian war, which was the situation that led to that
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Time magazine cover that Alex was complaining about in the last clip.
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This was a war that was taking place within Serbia, since Kosovo is a territory that was
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then in Serbia.
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So Alex can make an argument that Milosevic's atrocities against the KLA and the Albanian
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population in Serbia is a justified measure meant to keep the country together.
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He'd be wrong, but at least Milosevic was technically the head of Serbia.
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With the Bosnia stuff, that was a neighboring country and it was before Kosovo.
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So if Alex wants to play this game, he needs a better timeline and this is a mess.
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Yeah, I know very little of this chunk of history in this region.
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Of what I do know, learning what I have known only makes it clear that if I wanted to learn
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the story, I would have to spend the rest of my life trying to learn the story.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Trying to say I'm an expert on this situation is a terrible idea.
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And please don't get the impression that I'm saying I know everything about it either.
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Right, right, right.
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I know enough to know that Alex is missing a lot of it.
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Here are two things I know.
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One, if you're familiar enough with Slobodan to call him Slobo, we got a problem.
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You know what though?
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I like it.
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I love it.
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I love Slobo.
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Slobo's good.
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I love Slobo.
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In the same way that Blago is good for Blagojevic.
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Exactly.
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I think Slobo would get you killed though.
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At the height of Slobo's power, I think Slobo's getting you dead.
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If you're a serious and corrupt politician, it's great to have a nickname that ends in
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O.
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Totally.
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Especially Bow.
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If it ends in something Bow.
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Yeah, yep.
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Blago.
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Slobo.
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I can't...
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Slobo.
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That's such a great...
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Yeah.
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And then two, I feel like we're getting foreshadowing of a very strong preference for single guys
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who go on murder sprees.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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In particular ways.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, the real issue here is that Slobo wasn't playing ball with the globalists.
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That'll happen.
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So it's just the same thing over and over and over again.
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He had a sovereign nation.
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I don't agree with his politics.
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Don't agree with his views.
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Don't agree with a lot of things.
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And he was not playing ball with the globalists and he wouldn't let the New World Order banking
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system take over just like what's happening in Venezuela right now.
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And so in 2000, they staged a CIA coup and overthrew him and killed and assassinated
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and arrested most of his former ministers.
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And they've broken the country up and the place has been bombed with DU and the birth
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effects are almost quadrupled.
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Our troops have tripled, but they're not ever in country as long.
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They tripled from the first Gulf War, but there's a ride out of quadrupling.
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Go look at the official numbers.
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Just type in birth effect increases in Belgrade.
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It's capital.
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And so they've been through living hell.
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And so he kept testifying.
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He kept bringing out the documents and the witnesses of how Al-Qaeda, CIA, and it was
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all admitted and there was nothing they could do.
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And he exposed all of this.
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And so they murdered him.
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No, that's not the issue.
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That doesn't sound like what happened.
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No.
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It's very strange because like there's an admit admittance in some way that like he
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did some horrible shit, right?
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I mean, Alex can't deny that.
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It's it's papered over with we disagree on politics, which is that's a big we disagree
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on politics.
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I don't see eye to eye with him on everything.
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I don't.
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I mean, you a lot of people don't have eyes anymore because of him.
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So there we go.
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But yeah, that's the thing is it's fundamentally a pro slobo position.
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It is 100%.
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It's a slow pro position.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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He's saying that the only reason anyone cares is because he wouldn't play ball with the
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globalist.
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Right.
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And that makes him an anti globalist hero.
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Yes.
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Yep.
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These are like, oh, yeah, he's revealing that the KLA is run by the CIA, which is all the
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globalist.
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But like that was in 97.
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Yep.
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What about before that?
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People have problems with this stuff that was going on before that.
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I mean, you're bringing up the past.
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You know, why dredge up the past whenever we need to be moving forward?
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Sure.
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I think that Alex, he thinks he knows the past.
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I think he does.
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I mean, he's I you don't have to die on every hill.
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Like some hills you can just go like, but you can have that hill.
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Sure.
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You know, if the globalists really, really wanted Serbia.
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Listen, I'm sorry to the Serbian people who are going to suffer for it, but, you know,
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they can get rid of Milosevic.
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And if they wanted to kill him, there's been so much time.
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So many.
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The four years prior that he was on trial and shit.
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If there's no reason for it, if you're going to kill somebody, you kill him while you
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move him and they've moved him like 30 times, it would be very easy.
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So Alex is very like, I can't describe it as any other thing.
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Like he's just pro Milosevic.
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And they murdered him in five years, four and a half years of the trial in their custody
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for five years.
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They couldn't convict him.
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They kept bringing in new judges because he was innocent.
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He was innocent of what they claim.
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He was the lesser of all these people.
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But he was a sovereign leader trying to defend his people.
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And for that, he was kidnapped and murdered and his country radiated.
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And now the South has been given to Al C.I.
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Ada and they're running that heroin right through Afghanistan, right through Iran, right
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into there today.
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And it's all admitted.
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So this is an insane position for Alex to have.
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It is true that there was a replacement judge during the trial, but that isn't because the
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first one couldn't get the frame job done.
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He retired due to ill health in February 2004 and then died in June because he had a brain
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tumor.
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That'll happen.
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I suspect that this is all a case where Alex identifies with the Serb population because
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he sees them as the most white and because they're Orthodox, which is something that
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we've seen him show a lot of support for in more recent times when talking about Russia.
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Yep.
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For Alex, ethnic cleansing is a legitimate means of trying to defend a country if the
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circumstances are right.
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Yeah.
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Him yelling about how, like, Milosevic is innocent of what he's been, uh, buddy.
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Yeah.
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It is really interesting in the context, like, looking back, you know, there's so many times
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we look back and we're like, see, this would never be compatible with what he's saying
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today.
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But this is very clearly like, oh, yeah, this is the guy.
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This is the guy we're talking about today.
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This guy right here being like, what's the little ethnic cleansing between friends?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He puts on a much different face in 2006 around it than he does now.
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And it is wild to think that, like, when you're listening to this in 2006, you're listening
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to it going like, what a crazy take from this wild guy and not going like, if I stop and
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think about what he's saying, it is that ethnic cleansing is a defense.
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Well, if you have to defend your population.
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Right.
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Your people.
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That's, that's no, no good.
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No.
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So it makes this particularly insane is that later in his career, Alex would begin interviewing
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Dr. Francis Boyle as an expert on bio weapons.
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And a large part of his credibility was based on his involvement in the prosecution of Milosevic.
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If you go back and read interviews Boyle did, he was real clear, quote, it was Milosevic
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exploiting nationalism and ethnicity and religion to accomplish his objective of Greater Serbia.
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Just like Hitler wanted Lebensraum to the East, Milosevic wanted Lebensraum to the West.
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He was using all that and exploiting it.
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Yeah.
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One concern that I'm getting when I listen back to this, and I think it's pretty easy
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to put this in its proper place with what you were saying of like, this is the guy.
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Yeah, this is the guy.
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But one thing I'm concerned about is that I don't know if he knows the difference
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between Bosnia and Kosovo.
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He seems to be conflating those situations with the talking about the Time magazine cover,
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talking about the KLA.
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I think it's all one jumbled mess to him.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I suppose when you say like, I don't, he doesn't know which is which.
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I imagine if you asked him to draw on a map, what either, what any of it looked like, or
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even like just a couple of circles for relative size or relative population or like who's
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where or where from, he would have no idea about any of it.
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He might've in 2006.
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Huh?
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That's possible.
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I feel like the news sources that he was pulling from often had more graphics.
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They had graphics.
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Like in the newspaper.
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Yeah, you're right.
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That'd be helpful as opposed to now.
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Right.
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Shit and memes doesn't really help you.
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Doesn't it, it doesn't even have geography, the memes.
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Yeah.
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So I thought, um, holy shit.
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First of all, Milosevic is dead.
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Yeah.
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Second of all, Alex is coming in with this hot take and I thought, well, the rest of
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the show is going to probably involve that.
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And it doesn't really.
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I mean, what a wild world.
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Yeah.
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What a wild world.
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Yeah.
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People just believe weird shit.
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He doesn't spend that much time.
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Uh, all in all talking about it.
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He's just case closed.
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He was poisoned.
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It was murder.
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The globalist did it.
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Um, and he just takes some calls.
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Did you read Saturday's edition of the un-American snakesman?
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No, I didn't.
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Okay.
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There's a very interesting article in there.
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Uh, anti-Bush sermon sparks mixed reaction among congregation.
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The Unitarian minister Davidson Lohr of the first Unitarian, uh, universal church gave
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a sermon on Sunday, September 12th.
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And in the sermon, he said that the Bush administration orchestrated the September
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11th attacks to fulfill its plan to establish a new world order.
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Yeah.
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I, uh, I have a friend who, who knows the pastor of that church.
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And, uh, I know for a fact that he has been given my videos.
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I'm not to their own horn.
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It just shows what giving somebody videos did.
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And, uh, and I'm not attributing all, you know, all of, uh, you know, all of it to us,
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but I didn't see that article, but I knew that he had been giving speeches to that effect
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and saying, we're about to go into martial law.
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And then a minority of his, um, of his flock did not like it.
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So it's unsurprising that Alex is taking credit for waking up this pastor, you know,
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here's a story and he's like, you know what?
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That I was totally me.
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That was obviously me.
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I don't know what you're talking about, but it was me.
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This story is about a guy named Davidson Lore, who was a pastor at a Unitarian Universalist
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church.
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One day he read the book, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, and he decided he was sick
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of the bullshit and delivered a sermon that was mostly about economic policies carried
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out by world powers against developing countries.
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Hell yeah.
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The text of the sermon is available on the church's website, but when I read it, I was
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surprised that there wasn't any talk about 9-11.
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When I got to the end, I did notice this footnote quote, when I originally delivered
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this sermon on the 12th of February, 2006, I had added a section on 9-11 expressing my
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belief that agencies of our own government had orchestrated the attacks of 9-11, but
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that suggestion was and is so shocking.
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So repulsive that it would take a very convincing exposition to make it at all persuasive.
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And I didn't do that.
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It was a sloppy and slapdash edition that I shouldn't have tacked on, and several members
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of my church were quick to point out.
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During the next two weeks, I removed that section and rewrote it pretty much from scratch,
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creating a standalone essay.
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That essay, however, is not a sermon, not about religion, and I am not comfortable having
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it on our church's website.
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So yeah, that's an interesting footnote.
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That is a big footnote.
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That's more of a regular note.
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That deserves its own note.
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You don't need to be the foot of anything.
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I think I'm gonna start to lose a little bit of confidence in my pastor.
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If he's like, yeah, that whole sermon that I did about 9-11, it was rushed.
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It was sloppy.
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It was offensive and not religious.
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But I did do it.
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I did deliver that sermon.
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I'm willing to deliver a sermon that is sloppy.
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Yeah.
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There's something to be said about just flat out honesty.
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I'll give him that.
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I mean, the bar is low, but a lot of people would just try and scrub it from the world.
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God would tip the cap at that honesty.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I imagine, however, that my take on that moving forward would be this guy is...
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He's got it in the pocket.
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You know what I mean?
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At any point in time, he might just pull out 9-11 from the pocket.
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I think my take on it would be from now on, this guy is an editor.
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His sermons are going to get a once over before he gets up there.
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That would be a wise move.
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Because this shooting from the hip leads to these kinds of footnotes.
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No good.
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But it does seem like Davidson realized that what he was doing was inappropriate.
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He says that the original text of his speech is available on another website,
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but it doesn't link to it.
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And the site itself is an old message board that's no longer online.
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So I was poking around and I couldn't find the original speech.
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Alright, he did it. He got past it.
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Good for him. The internet's tough.
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I think there's some indications that I've found that I think that he got sick with the woke stuff.
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The Unitarian Universalist preacher got tired of the woke stuff.
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What a...
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And was supporting Trump in 2024.
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I mean, listen, if Unitarianism can get you to Trump, you're fucked.
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You're fucked.
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Everybody should just reevaluate their relationship with Christianity.
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If even a Unitarian pastor will be like,
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how sooner or later God's going to want me to do this.
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Yeah, maybe you didn't mean some of that stuff you were saying before.
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So Alex has a guest in the second hour.
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And it is dull.
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It is Big Jim Tucker from the American Free Press.
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Because Bilderberg is coming up.
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And so Alex is trying to start the Bilderberg season.
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But unfortunately, they don't really know anything.
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Jim, I know that you don't have any feelers, or the lines you've got out there haven't gotten
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triggered on exactly where Bilderberg is going to be this year.
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But give us any ideas you've got.
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And then for those that don't know, why is Bilderberg important?
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And kind of tell us what their agenda is and what they're up to.
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Well, we haven't located them yet.
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And sometimes it gets to be very briefmanship.
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And I stayed nervous as a Stropit in church till we do nail them.
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So Bilderberg was in Ottawa in 2006.
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And if Jim had just waited a little while, he could have read announcements about it in the paper.
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I understand that part of the game here is pretending that this is a secret meeting that
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they try to pull off without the Nazi press knowing where they're going to be.
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But that's a little bit silly.
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Interestingly, this year, this is the one where it's in Canada, and Alex ends up going to
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Bullhorn, the rich people, and he gets stopped at the border and detained because he has too
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much pornography.
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Oh my God.
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And then that ended up in Endgame.
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So yeah, this is...
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That'll happen.
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At this point, though, they know nothing.
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What a wild...
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You know, sometimes people can just move on from stuff when it's like, man, this dude
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said that Slobodan Milosevic was pretty much okay.
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And then we're just going to be like, Bilderberg's scary.
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What are you talking about?
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Right, right.
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How are you against...
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Oh man.
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Bilderberg, eviler than you can possibly imagine.
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Totally.
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Slobo got a bad rap.
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I think they can both be evil.
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I don't think you need to take sides.
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They can both have negative effects.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and losing sight of that is a little bit strange.
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You don't have to be so contrarian that you're trying to rehab the image of Slobodan Milosevic.
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Because he also doesn't like the world order that you oppose.
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You don't have to do that.
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You know, I was thinking about that, and it is that kind of like, there is a place in
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our society that we've allowed for somebody to imagine themselves to be like, strictly
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intellectually talking about this.
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There are reasons to defend Slobodan Milosevic, that kind of thing.
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And there really aren't.
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Well, I think that there's one you could come up with that Alex should use.
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And that is just a flat out rejection of international law.
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Sure.
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The idea that the Hague and international courts have any jurisdiction, that I could
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see him making that argument.
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But defending Milosevic based on his actions weren't that bad, or he had the right to do
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it, you just are getting yourself in a position where there's nothing you should be offended
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by.
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Anybody doing.
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Yeah, totally.
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No, you can be against the Iraq war, but also whenever they grabbed fucking Saddam, you're
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like, hey man, you did what you did, buddy.
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That's on you.
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You know?
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Like, there are two things.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's, I don't think he can handle that kind of ambiguity.
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Yeah.
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So Alex gets another call, and it's from a fella who's in college.
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Sure.
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And he doesn't like college, because they don't like info wars.
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That's fair.
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Ian in New York, thanks for holding.
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Welcome.
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How you doing, Alex?
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Good, sir.
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Uh, yeah, I go to college, and I take an international relations class, and I take a western civilization
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class.
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And you know, I've been listening for a couple years and researching and stuff.
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And like, especially my international relations class, like, I stop sometimes to correct them
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on certain things, and ask, you know, just like, last guest about the Bilderbergs and
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stuff.
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And like, all of a sudden he stops.
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He's like, you want to stop with your conspiracies and all that.
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Wait a second, it's not a conspiracy here.
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Yeah, you go, there's an elite running things.
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I mean, people at least 5,000 years ago who were under a corrupt elite knew it was the
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elite.
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Their masters are saying, no, there's no elite.
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There's no world government as they're setting it up.
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Yeah.
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And you know, I'm paying good money for my education, and here they're like, not telling
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me.
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You're paying to be taught a false paradigm.
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Yeah.
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I believe in college for engineering or mathematics or scientific things you're going to need.
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I mean, that's really a true science.
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But so much of the stuff you're going to learn, you know, going to their schools of economics
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or going to international fair schools, it's just teaching you the mindset to go be a cog
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in a fraud.
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Nice.
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Nice.
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Yeah, that's what I want to mention here.
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But keep up the good work.
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You know, I look forward to what you're going to come out with next.
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All right.
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I appreciate your call, sir.
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And I can tell you're frustrated.
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I'm not saying it's a waste of time.
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You're going to school.
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You'll learn how the enemy brainwashes people and you'll pick up a lot while you're there.
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But yeah, you bring anything up.
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Hey, the government wants to do something bad.
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Shut up.
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It doesn't exist.
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Government is pure as the driven snow and godlike.
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Government created the solar system.
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Government created the sun.
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Government breathed life into Adam.
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Government, government, government, day one, government.
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So it's weird how Alex is so against the idea that colleges teach people that the government
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created the solar system and all that, because that's not true.
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Colleges don't teach you that.
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They don't.
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But in Alex's ideal state, the schools would be teaching students that God did all that.
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Yes, that is true.
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So I think that he believes colleges teach you that the government is God.
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Right.
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And that's not true.
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But he wants to teach you that his God is God.
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Right.
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Huh.
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Yes.
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Fucked up.
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Yeah, I remember being told when I was growing up that if you go to colleges, that's where
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they teach you all the bad things.
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Sure.
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That's where they teach you all the stuff that is actually what God does.
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And that's why if you're a woman who comes home from college, you have clearly been corrupted
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by the devil.
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Sure.
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Everybody knows that.
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You got some ideas.
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Oh, having ideas is no good.
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Yeah.
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No good.
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What Alex is talking about here, it's just a transparently dumb view of higher education,
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but it's also one that's completely at odds with Alex's more recent take on college.
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Apparently here in 2006, the schools are there to brainwash you into thinking that the government's
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never done anything wrong, but now they're brainwashing centers to make you hate America
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and think our government has always been evil.
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So what's up?
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Yeah, I wonder who switched that.
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When did the curriculum change?
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And who taught them to change the curriculum?
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Must have been Obama, right?
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I mean, we have to.
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I mean, we're in 2006.
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Right.
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It had to have been Obama.
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Right, right, right.
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Michelle was trying to change the school lunches.
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Right.
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And as part of that, they flipped the government stuff.
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All right.
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Man, you can just change curriculum that fast without anybody knowing, or you can change
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your lies.
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Yeah.
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Those are both possible.
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I could talk about this all day, but the basic gist of all this boils down to the truth that
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more widely available, higher quality education threatens the existence of the extreme right
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wing as a valid political party and would severely cut into the audience base that Alex's
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advertisers depend on.
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Education will always be evil to them, and you should always do your own research, but
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the context and why and what they're doing is always a game.
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It doesn't matter.
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Yeah.
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And honestly, there are bad teachers who are not engaged and just want to go through the
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material.
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And you might run into a bad teacher.
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But most teachers, if you are like, hey, I have a different idea about international
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relations, they will challenge you to try and prove your point.
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It's not a situation where, like, hey, you're stupid.
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You're bringing this dumb shit in.
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Yeah.
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It'll be like, okay, you have this idea.
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Now hit the books, come up with a paper that shows that the globalists run everything.
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Yeah.
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Work on it.
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Figure it out.
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It changed my mind.
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Yeah.
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No, I mean, it is impossible to what?
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If you've been around it long enough, you'll know that reading comprehension is kryptonite
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to far right belief systems.
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And the fundamental of them existing is a lack of it, not a lack of it, a twisting of
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it.
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Like, you can have reading comprehension, but here's how it has been turned into something
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that actively works against you to comprehend it correctly is then turned into you being
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like, ha ha.
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Now that I've understood it, what does it really say?
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Yeah, there's no way to get around that.
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Yeah, because I can imagine in this international relations class, the guy is giving a lecture,
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teachers giving a lecture, and this guy's like, what about the group?
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And the teacher accurately assesses, oh, this is signaling to some kind of a conspiracy
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belief.
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And let's not talk about this in class or whatever.
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And then that response is interpreted by this guy as him saying that the Bilderberg group
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existing is a conspiracy as opposed to like, no, you just believe a lot of dumb stuff that
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Alex has yelled about.
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Yeah.
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And I think that if you're in this class and the teacher is saying, hey, this is conspiracy
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shit, you should be inspired to be like, I'm going to write the best paper fucking ever.
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I'm going to show you all this stuff.
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And then the teacher will probably fail you because you've cited Paul Joseph Watson articles.
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No, I mean, the best stuff that humanity has created, I would say at least 30% of it
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just because some asshole was talking shit.
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Somebody talked shit and then was like, well, you know what?
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I guess I'm going to have to go change the world.
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Fuck you.
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And you know what?
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That, I think, gets to a point of why I think I'm really offended by Alex and InfoWars.
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It is a perversion and distortion of contrarianism.
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Yeah.
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Like there is a really healthy contrarian impulse that has led us to so many great innovations.
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But it also, like when it's just kind of knee jerk and it's just, meh,
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Milosevic is good, actually.
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That kind of stuff is like, this is just, you're in a bog.
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You're just getting weighed down by all this mud of contrarianness.
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Yeah.
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It's not productive.
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Yeah.
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There's a Venn diagram that Alex exploits.
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It's like, what looks like contrarianism can also be just at being an asshole.
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But if you have good enough optics, you can conceal that you're just an asshole and make
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it look like you're a contrarian.
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Yeah.
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It's that expression, a healthy distrust.
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Sure.
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The healthy part of it is so important.
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Yeah.
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You can't just have a distrust and a...
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No.
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Nothing works if it's just distrust.
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Yeah.
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Like the whole thing doesn't work.
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And that's a lot of what he embodies.
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There's no health to it.
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There's no depth to it.
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So anyway, he has a guest on in the third hour and I got nothing to say about this other
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than I think the name of his organization is funny.
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I want to go to our guest who's with Repent America and he does great work.
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I am against abortion.
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So many liberals out there think that because I'm anti-Bush that I follow other tenants
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of the Democratic Party.
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The Democratic Party's for the war.
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They're for the new world order.
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They're bought and paid for.
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And people think it's a tenant or a sacrament of being a quote progressive or a liberal
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to be for abortion.
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And it's because you never had children or you've been involved in abortion and you can't
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admit to yourself what you've done.
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And it is murder.
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And it is horrible.
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And if you've done it, you can be forgiven.
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Okay.
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You can forgive yourself.
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God can forgive you.
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But hardening your heart and doing this is horrible.
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So we know that Alex has had a bunch of abortions that he has been involved in.
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So he's done a lot of murders.
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Yes.
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And God's forgiven him.
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And that's great.
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Totally fine.
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But if you just killed someone, like if I walked out on the street and I killed someone
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and then I repented and God forgave me, I would still be in fucking trouble.
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Yes, it does seem like there are very obvious differences between the two situations.
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Yeah.
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And Alex seems to have avoided any of the real consequences that he wants to attach
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to the idea that this is murder because his pretend absolution is possible just like that
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very easily.
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Yes.
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If you find it difficult to take responsibility for your actions in the real world, consider
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this, make up your own world where taking responsibility for your actions actually
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costs you nothing.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And you can do that and then blame everybody else.
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Oh my God.
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You could say they should be in jail.
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That is, it should be like, okay, if you go to get a small business loan and you have
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like a plan for your business and it's just an explanation of how Alex's career works,
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they'd be like, yeah, I guess that is probably pretty profitable, isn't it?
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Blaming everybody else seems like a very profitable proposition.
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Yeah.
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And so also I would say that I do not support reproductive healthcare and access to it because
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it's a tenant of progressivism or the democratic party.
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Yeah.
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I believe that it is a piece of offering greater freedom to more people and to withhold it
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as an option for people is restrictive in a very serious way that disproportionately
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affects a certain group in society.
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You bet.
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And so to me it has nothing to do with left or right or Democrat or Republican.
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It's a tenant and pillar of freedom.
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Ostensibly the idea is that the party is a reflection of the things I believe, not the
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other way around.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And so anybody thinking like, oh, Alex doesn't like Bush, so he must also be in favor of
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abortion.
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Yeah.
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Like that's silly to me.
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I mean, it's, it is, it is like one of those things where it does feel like you're revealing
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your inability to view things by assuming other people view it like that.
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Like I assume people are a lot smarter than people behave.
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Like there's plenty of different situations where you should assume that people are being
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very smart.
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And if you're assuming like nobody else understands how party politics work, then you're an asshole.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But hey, repent America.
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That's a cool-
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Repent.
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Repent America.
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I love that he had this caller who's like, man, school is no good.
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They don't like my bringing up info wars in a foreign relations class.
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All right, we're talking to the guy from repent America.
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It's like, all right, just, just stop, stop pretending.
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Yeah, it is, it is crazy.
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He, how long he got away with it is like, it does, it does feel like when we go back
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to the past, there has to have been a lot more willful looking away from what he was
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doing.
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I think there was a desperation on a lot of protest movements and anti-war crowds.
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I think there was a desperation to believe that someone who was right-wing coded was
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on their side.
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Yep.
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And I think that a lot of people looked, it's what you're saying.
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It's a willful looking the other way about some pretty clear signs of like, this guy
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is not on the level.
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This guy, he sucks.
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I can't imagine being at some sort of like, Hey, we're going to get our platform together.
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Here's our lefty politics.
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We've got this guy, we got this guy, this guy still likes Slobodan Milosevic.
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So I guess we're allowing him in here.
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Sure.
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But the thing is, I don't think he can maintain that, like Slobodan's not that bad position.
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He has to give that up pretty quick because it's not something I associate with later
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info wars.
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I believe I've heard him talk about Milosevic before in negative ways.
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Yeah.
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So this seems to be like an instinctual desire to create a conspiracy and a murder that he's
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going to have to give up on.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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It does feel, yeah.
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Instinctual is just the right word for it.
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It feels like this is what he would do if nobody else was around.
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He'd be like, Slobodan's fine.
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Just out of nowhere.
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Okay.
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Okay, man.
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Yeah.
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And so there is a part of me that is interested in continuing this thread through 2006.
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Yeah.
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To see, does he have to give this up quick?
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Is this our new investigation is the Slobo watch?
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I'm kind of curious about that.
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I am too.
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So I may stick around in the past for some of that, but I will get back to the present
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also.
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Sure.
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But yeah, I was shocked.
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I'd forgotten that this was the random date that you picked was only a couple days before
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Milosevic died.
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Wild.
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How are Saddam's kids doing?
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Are they still...
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They never existed.
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They were wax dummies, I believe.
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I feel like I would remember if I ever had a position as crazy as, listen, I disagree
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with Slobo.
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But.
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Yeah.
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So we'll check in on that and Alex's more present takes on the Epstein stuff and all
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that.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed, we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a person color.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
