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Andy and.
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Andy and.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I'm thrilled.
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I'm honestly, I wanted to just put them on.
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But then I'd have to take off my shoes and everything.
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I know.
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Yep.
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I'm gonna put them on as soon as you leave.
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Yep.
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And I will let you know.
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I'll give you a full report.
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I'm excited though.
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I expect nothing less and I fully expect you to be wearing them at our next recording.
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You have set, you and your wife quite frankly, have set the bar incredibly high for these
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things though.
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Like if, I don't know if they can live up to the hype.
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If they don't deliver for you, that doesn't bother me because they delivered for me my
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friend.
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Sure.
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And my experience can't take away from yours.
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No it can't.
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But hey, who knows.
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I don't think I'm a sweatpants snob.
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We'll find out.
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I'm hoping that you like them realistically just so I can then wear my pants to record
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to.
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You can do that anyway.
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Ah, no I can't.
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You're welcome to.
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No, no, no, no, you can't have one person in jeans and one person in sweatpants.
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There's a very clear problem there.
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I think when they're you and I, yes you can.
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Cause you're spiritually already in sweatpants.
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And I should be wearing slacks or something.
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You know like.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Every time before we start recording, sometimes I will not have shoes on.
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And I will put on shoes.
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Very Mr. Rogers style.
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I don't feel like I can record the show in sandals or without shoes on.
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Same doesn't apply to you.
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I understand that, but you know when in Rome if we were recording in my place, we're both
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wearing sweatpants.
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Or I'm wearing sweatpants at least.
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But I'm coming in to you.
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I'm still wearing shoes.
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Yeah, well of course you are.
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Even if I'm in your house.
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Listen, you wear shoes in my house.
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I wouldn't suggest not wearing shoes in my house.
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Dogs all over the place.
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Exactly.
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Well thank you and thank you to your wife.
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Very sweet.
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You are welcome and she was so excited to get them for you.
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That's wonderful.
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So nice, so nice.
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Yes, what's your bright spot?
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Well Jordan, I realized that I had not a bright spot, but a dark spot.
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And I'm pointing at you.
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I can feel it.
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See this?
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I do.
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I sense it right now.
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Dark spot was me.
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Yeah.
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And here's why.
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We are the tat guys.
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That's true.
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That was our phone number for a while.
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And I realized that I was not living up to my end of the bargain.
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You were getting tats.
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I was.
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And I was not getting tats.
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You were not.
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And so I decided to rectify that by getting a new tattoo.
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Hell yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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This is the first tattoo that I've gotten that is exposed to when you're wearing short
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sleeve shirts.
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The other things would be covered by that.
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So this is very vulnerable and public in a way that I cannot hide it.
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So it's a real new life.
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It's a real new jump off point for me.
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It's an interesting feeling.
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I bet.
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Just have like, I can't hide this.
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My family, or my dad specifically, no tattoos.
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I don't know.
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No tattoos.
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So until I was maybe 26, all of my tattoos were coverable.
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Every single one of them.
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They didn't know I had tattoos until a few years ago.
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I love tattoos and I don't judge people who have them even in like, I don't know, your
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face or your hands.
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Very visible places.
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I don't judge, but I realized that I did have some internalized judgment.
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And it came to, all right, am I going to do this myself?
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Sure.
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I got you.
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And I had to confront that a tiny bit.
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But yeah, worked through it.
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I got a spell from the game Eternal Darkness.
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Nice.
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One of my old favorite games.
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I like it.
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Some real fond memories of getting stoned and hanging out with Nikki gifts and getting
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scared of video games.
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That is what tattoos are for.
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I swear to God.
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Yep.
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Yeah, it's a magic spell for a spell called the Magic Pool.
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And the effect that it has in the game, it's actually a little bit of a cheat.
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Because if you get this spell, it'll create something over you that gradually restores
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your health and sanity and kind of makes it like, anything can hit me, but I'll recover.
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Right.
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As long as I can keep hitting this spell.
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It's a borderline infinite health hack.
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Yeah.
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But it's in the game.
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You can't not use it.
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Yeah.
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If they broke the game, you get to use it.
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It's not like these Lovecraftian horrors are gonna play fair.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah, if you have this at your disposal, you gotta use it.
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That is true.
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Yeah.
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So, just nothing but fond memories about playing this game.
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It looks great.
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Yeah.
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It's still healing up, but I'll post a picture for people to enjoy.
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When the time is right.
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But yeah, I'm gonna get some more.
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Absolutely.
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You got the feeling now that you didn't have the last time?
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What do you mean?
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Like the itch?
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Well, I mean, yeah.
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I don't know when it happened.
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Maybe it was my third tattoo where I was like, I'm gonna be getting tattoos forever.
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Oh, no.
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This is my third.
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Yeah.
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And I felt it after each one.
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Yeah.
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And then I just didn't have more ideas of things to do.
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Gotcha.
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Or I put things on a back burner.
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Gotcha.
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I'll get around to it later, but I did want to after each.
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I think there may just be follow through now.
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Yeah, that happens.
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Because who gives a shit?
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Who gives a shit?
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The world's ending.
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It's such a great attitude to have.
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Fuck it.
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So, yeah.
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That's what I'm up to.
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I like it.
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Yeah.
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Today we got an episode to go over, Jordan.
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All right.
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We're staying to the past.
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Hell yeah.
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Yeah.
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Ooh.
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Yeah.
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Because it's good times back then.
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Baby, it is good times.
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2006 is hitting pretty well right now.
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Yeah.
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So we're going to talk about March 10th, 2006.
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And honestly, I kind of had an iffy position on this particular episode for reasons that
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we'll discuss as it goes along.
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Okay.
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But I decided, ah, fuck it.
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It's a different flavor.
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Let's do it.
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So we'll do that.
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Excellent.
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In a moment.
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But first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new Wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, to all the Wonks in the Facebook group, but a special shout out to me.
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I just passed my F-I-N-R-A licensing exams.
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So now when somebody asks me, how's my 401k doing, bro?
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I will legally be allowed to answer them.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy Wonk.
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I'm a policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Chows from Sonic Adventure 2 Battle are the chimeras Alex has been warning us
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about.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy Wonk.
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I'm a policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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You thought I was going to say chaos, didn't you?
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I did think you were going to say chaos, but is that not how it's pronounced?
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No, it's the Chows.
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It's like the little baby things that are like the birds in Final Fantasy.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The Poke-a-bows?
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Yeah, Chocobos.
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Chocobos, yeah.
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They're like that.
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The little pet kind of things.
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But it's spelled chaos.
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Yeah.
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Chow.
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All right.
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The Chows.
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That's fine.
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No, I get it.
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I understand the concept.
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You can get them to race each other in Sonic Adventure 2 Battle.
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Traditional Chocobos.
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If you hit them, they turn evil.
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Well, actually, it is a little bit Chocobo-y.
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If you hit them, they'll fight you back.
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Yeah.
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You can't just raise them with the evil characters too much.
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I think they also turn evil.
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Oh, well, that'll just happen.
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Dr. Robotnik.
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Yeah?
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If you go in there and hang out with the Chows as Dr. Robotnik, you'll pet them and go, yosh.
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Very cool memory.
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Next, I'm a bearded trans lady from Buttfuck, Kentucky, funded by the Globalists to study
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philosophy.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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There you go.
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And we have Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Shoutout from Big Taco from Austin.
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Always on the prowl to crop dust Alex Jay at any restaurant, sporting event, solar eclipse,
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chicken fish fry, or a pill factory around town.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a Technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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Thank you very much.
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So in Sonic Adventure 2 battle, uh, there are like in order to 100% it, you had to do
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the little chow side stuff.
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Sure.
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And it's, it was infuriating.
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Like there's the whole game and you can just play those levels and get better at them.
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But with the chows, you got to raise them.
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You got to keep feeding them like they're a Tamagotchi pets and stuff.
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And you got to, you had to train them and influence them to become good or evil.
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Such an annoying aspect of that game.
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Yeah, that doesn't sound fun at all.
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No, but I did do it.
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Of course you did.
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Hundo'd that.
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I've been there before my friend.
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Yep.
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So, uh, like I said, I had some iffy feelings about whether or not, uh, we would cover this
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episode, but it became worthwhile.
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Um, and one of the reasons that I was kind of on the fence about it is, is a little boring
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at the beginning.
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Sure.
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It's slow.
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Okay.
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And so there's nothing really to talk about until a ways into the first hour when Alex
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gets to taking some calls.
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Of course.
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He goes to the phones and he gets a call from a guy who wants to talk to him about, uh,
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Nostradamus.
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Now I am so in.
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Yeah.
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So here is where this call begins.
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Excellent.
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Let's go ahead and talk to Cameron and Cameron, where are you calling us from today?
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Hello?
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Yeah.
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It sounds like you're on a speaker phone.
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Are you there, sir?
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Yes, sir.
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How are you, Ali?
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Good.
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You're on the air, sir.
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Great.
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I have some breaking news for your listeners regarding 9-11.
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Okay.
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Uh, the prophet Nostradamus, you know him, right?
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Yeah.
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Put absolutely no stock in it.
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It's just pure, pure tribe.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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He said that in July of 1999, the king of terror would come from the sky and everyone
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thinks nothing happened, but actually something did happen.
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In July of 1999, 9-11 hijacker Muhammad Atta first came to the United States by plane.
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Also in July of 1999, the West Nile virus appeared in New York city.
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Interesting.
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And it's my belief that that piece of garbage brought that over with them and unleashed
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it to New York.
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So I'm sorry?
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And so he actually, he works for the Arabs, right?
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He's yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, so that Giuliani could set up the world trade center command center in case of biological
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attack.
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You see Atta brought the West Nile virus with him and unleashed it so that Giuliani could
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tell us more.
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Tell us what you portend from the tea leaves of Nostradamus.
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Well that's what I, that's what I know.
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What an asshole.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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So rude.
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What a dick.
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What to tell me more about this Nostradamus fellow that you're so friendly with.
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I could not be happier with the idea.
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Well here's okay.
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This is my problem with living in a fascist dystopia, right?
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You don't get that.
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Nah.
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You don't get that.
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Nope.
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When you're living in a more reasonable time, unreasonable people have a flavor to them.
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2006 you get a guy calling in, I have breaking news about 9-11.
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I read something by Nostradamus.
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Exactly.
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That's some shit that doesn't exist in a fascist dystopia.
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I hate to say it, but it's good clean fun compared to what we have to live with now.
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I mean, yeah, it's not clean fun, but it's good fun.
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Yeah, and Alex is sincerely annoyed and can't do anything about it really other than be
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mean to the scholar.
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And what else is there to say when somebody's like, I think Muhammad Atta brought the West
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Nile virus to New York.
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And Nostradamus wrote about the West Nile virus that Muhammad Atta was going to spread
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in New York, but it was also part of enabling Giuliani to start a command center in the
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World Trade Center to respond to the West Nile virus.
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What did Nostradamus think of Giuliani?
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I think that's the question that I am now faced with.
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You're getting visions of the future.
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You're going, ah, I can see the future and all that stuff.
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And then Giuliani pops up.
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What are you thinking?
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You will be in Borat 2.
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We are America or whatever the fuck got caught in.
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I see the Four Seasons, but not a hotel.
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So Alex is like, Hey, dude, Nostradamus sucks.
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I mean, give me more details.
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Tell me about Nostradamus.
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Oh, he was just a prophet back in, I think the 1500.
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And he said that July, 1999 King of terror would come from the sky.
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And that's when Muhammad Atta, the piece of garbage came over the 9-11 bleed hijacker
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and he brought with him the West Nile virus and he unleashed it.
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And that's what I believe Nostradamus was talking about when he said the King of terror
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would come from the sky.
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Okay, thank you for the call.
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I appreciate that.
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I'm not here to make friends.
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Okay.
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You're on a fucking reality show?
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What the hell is going on here?
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I'm not here to make friends with people who think Nostradamus could see the future.
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Okay.
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Wait, nope.
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This is a radio show that is specifically about making friends with those people.
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I am not here to play nice with you fools.
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That's just great.
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That is a great reaction.
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It's just, it's juicy.
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You know, you feel it.
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I mean, and you, it makes you wonder about that guy.
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You know, he brings such a burst of character energy.
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That garbage.
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That piece of garbage.
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Absolutely.
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What are you talking about?
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You're not using emotion right when you say piece of garbage.
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Well, and he's saying it repeatedly, specifically about Muhammad Atta, which is almost like
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a character tick, which makes me think like, okay, this could be a prank call.
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Absolutely.
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Like this seems like something to give a character layer layers or something.
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But I also could believe it's real.
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I don't know.
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Why?
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I mean, yeah, it could be.
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That guy seems like an interesting guy.
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Either way, he's annoying Alex and that's great.
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I'll tell you what he is now.
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Probably a Nazi.
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Probably a Nazi.
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I don't know.
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See, one of the things that I've learned from listening to these old episodes of Alex's
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show is that someone like this, you hear that voice and you're thinking, I don't know,
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thirties.
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Sure.
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That guy's 80.
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There are so many people who have voices that you think like, oh, that's just someone in
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their thirties or forties.
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And they're like, I'm 77.
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So like, I think I'm clocking him at dead in 2026.
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All right.
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20 years is a long time for an 80 year old to keep going.
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And Nostradamus predicted he wouldn't make it to a hundred.
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That would be, that would be a really good prediction from Nostradamus.
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So Alex is like, I'm not here to make friends.
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I'm not here to humor you assholes.
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He's here to win.
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When you say stupid things about Nostradamus, I'm going to tell you stupid.
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I'm not here to make friends.
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I'm not here to patch you on the head and act like I take what you have to say serious.
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This is not a variety show.
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And I don't blame people who have variety shows.
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I'm going to fight for my life.
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I'm going to fight for my family's life.
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What would you believe them for?
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I know I'm going to fight for my life.
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And I want you to know you're in a fight for your life, your life, your Liberty, your pursuit
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of happiness, your very existence, a psychopathic Nazi like eugenics pushing Malthusian social
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Darwinistic wrecking crew is in control and they wear fancy three piece suits and have
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multi-billion dollar PR companies spewing high-tech propaganda.
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But they can be defeated and they will be defeated.
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Number one, I don't believe in Nostradamus and what he had to say.
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The guy was a quack.
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Number two, the very quatrain you just read is not a real quatrain that was put out by
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what News of the World or whatever at the time.
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I had to get 50 calls probably on air about it after 9-11.
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Along with that smoke devil supposedly in there.
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And people love this type of stuff.
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You got the wrong show, brother.
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Hey, brother.
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You got the wrong show.
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You got the wrong show, brother.
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Now I want to say one thing right off the bat and that is that I think he landed on
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wrecking crew as a noun and that was a masterwork.
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That was so good.
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He was trying to figure out what he was going to call them and calling them a wrecking crew
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solid.
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Yeah, that was land of the plane.
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So it's also fair that Alex doesn't like Nostradamus.
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I'm cool with that.
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People who use prophecies to run scams generally don't like other people who are in the same
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business so that's cool.
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But what's interesting here is that Alex is just making up that this is a fake quatrain.
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It's absolutely authentic and it's from Nostradamus' Century 10 collection, quatrain number 72.
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Alex's belief system relies on magic so he can't really just dismiss Nostradamus as a
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weirdo who wrote stuff that people try to force into fitting world events after the
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fact so they can freak themselves out and pretend that they can know the future by doing
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the right kind of decoding.
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He believes the same shit so if he were to just take the position that the idea of a
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literal prophet is dumb then he risks attacking his own worldview and he can't do that.
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Because he doesn't have other tools that he can use, Alex just tries to invalidate the
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caller's question about Nostradamus on a technicality.
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It's a fake quatrain, man, brother.
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It's a particularly interesting tactic for Alex to use and be wrong about because about
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75% of the quotes that he cites in his documentaries and on his shows are fake.
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Almost everything he thinks Thomas Jefferson said is misattributed.
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And if he's such a stickler about authenticating something like a Nostradamus quatrain, you'd
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think he'd put a little bit of effort of the same type into Jefferson.
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But he doesn't.
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No.
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No, it's...
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It would be a strange thing for Alex to denigrate the entire concept of prophecy to begin with.
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This guy's a kook.
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He's a kook.
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He's a wacko.
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But it sucks whenever you get a spiritual argument that devolves into technicalities.
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That blows.
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That's just the worst feeling in the world.
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But also it raises an interesting question and that is like, okay, what about the real
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quatrains then?
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Do you think those are prophecies or what?
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Like if this weren't fake, would you then be freaked out by it?
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That's a good question.
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If it weren't...
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Okay.
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What level of fakeness would freak you out?
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Would it be even more freaky if it was just attributed to somebody else who snuck it into
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Nostradamus' stuff?
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You know, like it was written by a similar guy, just not Nostradamus.
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Oh, you meant from like the 1500s.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So not Shaq.
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Unless we don't know something about Shaq.
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He's a genie.
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No, that was just in that movie.
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No, that was just in that movie.
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So Alex, he's got a bone to pick with psychics.
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And does not...
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Don't we all?
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He doesn't like the way that they get away with predictions and stuff.
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No, no, no.
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It's just...
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No.
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It's cheap.
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That quatrain wasn't even a real quatrain of Nostradamus.
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He wrote thousands and thousands of pages of nebulous stuff.
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And the king on the horse in the day of the 12th was pierced in the head with a spear
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and died.
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I mean kings were dying all the time jousting and in battles.
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And so 200 years later somebody dies.
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Oh my gosh, the king got killed with a spear in his face.
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Man that never happens.
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I mean, I love these psychics.
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Oh, there's going to be a car wreck.
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A bus wreck in the next week.
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I feel it.
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It's going to happen somewhere.
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And then no one pays attention if it doesn't happen.
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But if it does, see, I predicted it just right.
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You can hear in this clip Alex describing what his business model develops into.
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He makes hundreds of predictions, many of them contradicting each other, and then makes
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a big deal out of it when something he says appears to have come true while never owning
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up to all the times he's wrong.
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In fact, he's developed a defense mechanism about this that the psychics he's complaining
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about don't even get to enjoy, where he'll pretend that some of his past predictions
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ended up being wrong because he predicted an event and that scared the globalists into
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not carrying it out.
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When Alex describes this dynamic and complains about psychics like this, it should make clear
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that he knows what he's doing.
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He's able to articulate how what they do is a scam, so it's impossible to pretend that
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he doesn't get it.
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He knows how he's fucking with people.
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Yeah, no, there is definitely an element of, I guess, celebrity deathmatch should happen
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where we've got present day Alex versus 2006 Alex, you know, in a clay fight where both
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of them are essentially yelling the same things at each other.
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I think 2006 Alex would win in a walk.
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It would be so easy.
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It does get better.
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He's younger.
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Yep.
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Argh, debatably fitter.
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I'm not sure.
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He was drinking pretty heavily.
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But I also think that he could get the crowd on his side.
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I think that 2006 Alex could pretend to be sympathetic and he could get some face energy,
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whereas present day Alex would have to heal it.
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You know, he'd have to be the bad boy.
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Full on.
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There would be very few fans in attendance for present day Alex.
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So Alex has these criticisms of psychics.
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They never get held responsible for failed predictions.
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I appreciate that.
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And he can say this because he's not a psychic.
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Now granted, he predicted 9-11.
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And he is a psychic.
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Well, not.
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He said he's a psychic.
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Not back then.
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He said a bunch of times he's a psychic.
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Not back then.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, maybe back then, but not today.
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You know, I'm not psychic.
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I don't have a crystal ball.
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I don't read tea leaves.
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I don't gut a pig and read it to death.
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I don't practice Santeria.
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... to come up with this stuff.
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I got on air July 25th on TV and I got on the radio July 25th.
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I did it for a month straight.
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I didn't expose the government terrorists.
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And I said, call the White House.
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Ben Luyten's their agent.
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There's soon going to be a big attack probably on the World Trade Center.
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It's going to be huge.
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They're going to bring a police state in after it.
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How did I know that?
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From deep study.
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From deep research.
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From deep meditation.
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And I don't mean meditating in some mumbo jumbo way.
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I mean true, the highest form of intelligence art, which I have organically and it's indigenous
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to my brain.
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Yeah, me too.
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I have a lot of problems.
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It's like my wife could be doing some calculations on a calculator and I just spit out the number
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with these huge numbers she's got.
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And I can't control it and I can't see how I do it.
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And if I try to consciously do it, I can't do it.
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She's like, how did you know that?
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How do you do that?
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Like I can spell some big, giant, complex word without thinking, but if I try to spell
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it, I can't even write at a fifth grade level.
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So we know that Alex now says that God told him in repeated prophetic dreams about 9-11
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and that was how he predicted it, but I guess he's still lying about research and deep study
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at this point in 2006.
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One of the things that I think is pretty fascinating is that Alex is describing his magical abilities
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in a specific way that's similar to how he plays the game now.
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He can do nearly impossible mental math if he's not trying, but if he's asked to do
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the math, he can't.
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He can spell any word if he's just on autopilot, but if he's asked to spell anything, he's
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basically illiterate.
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This is how he describes his prophecy powers now, where if God sends him some jolt, he
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can do magic, but if you confront him and demand that he tell you what's going to happen
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in the future, it's probably not going to work.
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He can't do it on command.
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This is a very old conman trick, and it has worked pretty well historically because it
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has a built-in excuse for why the trick didn't work.
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The conman isn't really in control of their own magical gifts, and any attempt that they
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might make to prove their powers would require them to exert that control that they don't
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have.
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The other place you see this kind of thing is in adolescence.
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Everybody wants to be special, and a good way to be special is to have some kind of
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special power.
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The problem is that you don't have one, but that doesn't stop some creative kids from
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trying to convince people that they do.
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So you come up with something like Kel from Keenan and Kel, his power in Mystery Men,
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where he can turn invisible, but only when no one's looking.
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Kids tell each other shit like this all the time, and I don't want to deprive them of
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their fun, but if an adult is telling you something like this, you should know that
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you're either being scammed or you're in a mid-tier Ben Stiller movie.
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Alex's whole, like, I can do all this shit, but I can't prove it.
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It's fucking kid shit.
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Yeah, it feels very early 1900s.
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It feels like that turn of the century spiritual revivalist.
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You go back and you look at some of the stuff where people have just got wet rags and they're
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like, ah, this is from Ghosts, and everybody bought it.
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So you're like, how gullible can you be?
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I can talk to ghosts, but only when no one else is around, and you can't hear them, and
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they'll never talk to you.
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It's all relatives of the same thing.
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It's all the break offs of, it's all the same jazz.
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Be surprised at my magic, but don't ask for it.
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Don't ask for my magic.
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And honestly, asking for it is kind of an insult to the magical abilities.
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It is.
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You know?
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I mean, the magic is bigger than both of us, really, if you think about it.
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You're trying to turn this into a cheap kind of thing.
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Would you like tell God what to do?
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I don't tell God what to do, so it feels like maybe you're the asshole here.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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You're going to need to give me $100.
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It only makes sense.
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In 1900?
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That's $1000!
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So, Alex discusses what sealed the deal for him on predicting 9-11.
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And it turns out he was watching hardball.
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And I'm not trying to sit here and get off into how my brain works, but I understand
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the system.
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I can look at big, complex systems, and I can integrate what's going on if I have enough
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data.
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And really, it's not that hard.
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Frankly, I saw Warren Rudman and Gary Hart was the final straw.
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And I jumped, back when I watched TV, I should watch TV, because you can glean more from
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that than just reading the text.
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I just can't stand it.
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So I've selfishly don't really watch a lot of TV because I just can't stand it.
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Selfishly.
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I like to have a life, and I feel so good and so free without it.
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But I saw them on hardball, and they were going, big changes in America.
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They were smiling.
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They were real proud of being able to make this announcement.
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They'd been told they could do this.
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And they were kind of rising up out of their chairs.
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And Chris Matthews is going, something big, huh?
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Yeah.
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They're smiling.
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Yeah.
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Big changes.
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Big buildings.
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Yeah.
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Gonna come down.
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Boom.
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Boom.
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Ben Laudin.
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And I'd seen him introduce Ben Laudin on the news.
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He's gonna get you soon.
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He's coming.
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I had seen how the government had bombed the World Trade Center before.
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Yeah, that one helped.
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So you start to see it's not really that hard to do.
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What's hard to do is to just make very few predictions and have all those come correct,
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which mine have, instead of just making a thousand predictions and a few come true.
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Let's revisit that 20 years later.
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So it's complete bullshit that Alex saw Gary Hart on hardball, and that's what finally
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made all the pieces come together about his 9-11 prediction.
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Clinton had enlisted Gary Hart to co-chair a committee on national security in 1998,
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and their findings included dire warnings about how it was likely that a terrorist attack
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would be committed on U.S. soil within the next 25 years.
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He did interviews about it and gave speeches in 2001 because their report had been completed,
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so I think it's pretty likely that he was on hardball at some point around when Alex
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is saying, and it's entirely possible that Alex saw it.
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The problem with Gary Hart was that people didn't really respect him.
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He was supposed to be the next big Democratic hopeful in 1984 who could make a run at Reagan.
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Hart narrowly lost the Democratic primary to Walter Mondale, who went on to get beat
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about as bad as possible, only winning his home state of Minnesota and Washington, D.C.
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Crazy electoral map.
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Bad news.
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Real bad.
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Different days.
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After that disaster, it made sense that Hart would get his shot in 1988, and all signs
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were looking like this was going to be the case.
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Because if you look at the 1984 Democratic primary, too, it's like he made crazy momentum
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on Mondale, and then it just wasn't enough to get him over the line.
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So he was a rising piece of business.
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Real Bernie Sanders style.
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Yeah, but then someone released a picture of him being very cozy with a woman who wasn't
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his wife on a boat called Monkey Business.
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Oh, that's right!
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I remember one.
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That whole thing was made up and fake!
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Well...
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Motherfuck.
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Half made up, probably.
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Well, either way, this man would have been elected if he had done this in 2022.
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Definitely.
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Yeah.
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But unfortunately it was 1988, and Lee Atwater may or may not have decided to really run
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a nice PR campaign on this one.
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Yeah.
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So Gary Hart was the golden boy of the Democratic Party, and his first real run ended with Mondale
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getting the shit kicked out of him in historic fashion.
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And then the second run led to him looking very weak in the midst of a sex scandal, with
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him choosing to drop out of the race instead of trying to weather the storm.
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That led to Michael Dukakis getting the Democratic nomination, and granted, he did better than
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Mondale, but he lost to George H.W. Bush 426 to 111 in the Electoral College.
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Yeah.
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And that was H.W.
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Mm-hmm.
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That was a man with so little charisma, he ran the CIA.
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He was beatable.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And, like, Gary Hart probably could have been...
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Probably he would have done better than Dukakis.
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Yeah, well, goddamn, anybody would have done better than Dukakis.
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Yeah.
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Poor guy.
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That picture of him with Donna Rice would have probably, like, boosted his numbers.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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Yeah.
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Weird.
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Weird times.
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Yeah.
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He was a bad messenger for people to hear a warning about imminent terrorist attacks
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from.
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To viewers, he was either someone they didn't know or someone they did know and kind of
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didn't like.
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To Republicans, he was a joke, and to Democrats, he was the guy who probably would have beat
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Bush but couldn't resist fucking on this boat, or at least putting himself in a position
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where Roger Stone's buddy could run that PR campaign.
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Regardless, we know that Alex got his 9-11 prediction from Psychic Dreams that God sent
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him, so this whole act of trying to provide a rational explanation for his prophecy to
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differentiate it from Nostradamus' work is kind of stupid and looks dumb.
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And for it to include Gary Hart in his...
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Alex...
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Okay, regardless of whether or not a person watching Gary Hart on this hardball episode
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that may or may not have happened may be convinced of something terrible, Alex should not have
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been convinced of shit by watching Gary Hart on hardball.
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Right?
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You know when I realized 9-11 was gonna happen?
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When?
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When I was watching Bret Hart.
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Oh yeah?
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The Excellence in Execution.
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Yeah.
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The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
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Sure.
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Fight Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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Yeah.
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At WrestleMania.
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Yeah.
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I knew 9-11 was coming.
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Did you know when I knew 9-11 was coming?
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When Owen Hart...
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No, no, no, no, no.
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When Corey Hart fought those vampires.
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Oh, I thought Corey Hart was the baseball player.
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Wasn't he on the Brewers?
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Who am I thinking of?
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Who are you thinking of?
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Corey Hart was a musician.
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I think I'm thinking of two...
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No!
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Yeah, I am thinking of the wrong Corey.
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God damn it!
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You mean Corey Haim?
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I was thinking of...
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Corey Feldman?
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The Corey's?
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I was thinking of one of the Corey's.
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Yeah.
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Fool.
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Anyway, Jim the Anvil Nihard.
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Not named Hart, but was a member of the Hart Foundation.
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Sure.
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Alright, we're back on track.
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There we go.
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So Nostradamus was fake.
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All this shit was fake.
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The Squatrain was fake.
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That is a big pronouncement from you, Dan.
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You better have something to back that up with.
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Nostradamus was...
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Oh shit.
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I'm not saying it.
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Okay.
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So that Squatrain wasn't real.
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Now, I forget the exact verse in what got ignored by the counterfeit of Nostradamus
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was in the final book of the Bible, Revelation.
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It said, to paraphrase, in the great port city of the new Babylon, the great towers
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will fall, they'll be covered with dust, and sea captains will say Babylon is burning that
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great center of commerce, and it will have been the place of the trade, the towers of
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the...
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I mean, it's an incredible quote.
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That was real.
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No one wanted to talk about that if you want to talk about prophecy.
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No one wanted to talk...
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It was just some fake Squatrain.
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That's the thing people do for Nostradamus is they write fake Squatrains, put it on a
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message board, and it's top news everywhere, even on CNN, taking it serious.
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As I mentioned earlier, the Nostradamus quote is real, but Alex is wildly off in his paraphrasing
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of Revelation.
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So, just to be clear on something, Alex is telling somebody that a real quote is fake,
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and then is about to give a fake quote about something real.
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Eh, I mean, quote's generous, a fake paraphrasing.
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Whatever you want.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, just to be clear.
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And from the Bible, no less.
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From the Bible, the thing that he cares about, but Nostradamus, again, he does not care about.
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Yeah.
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So the part he's talking about begins in Revelation 17, with the talk of the destruction of Babylon,
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but the specific thing he's referencing is from Revelation 18, beginning with verse 11
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through 13.
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Quote, the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, being Babylon, because
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no one buys their cargos anymore.
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Cargos of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet
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cloth, every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood,
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bronze, iron and marble.
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Cargos of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive
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oil, of fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and carriages, and human beings sold
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as slaves.
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Babylon was an economic hub on the Euphrates River, so all that stuff about merchants and
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ship captains is completely understandable without having to make this New York City.
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Yeah.
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That's nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Verses 18 through 19 get a little weird, though.
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Quote, when they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, was there ever a city like
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this great city?
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They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out.
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That line, they will throw dust on their heads, seems really strange, especially considering
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how many images we had after 9-11 of people covered in dust.
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True.
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So if you do a surface level misreading of this verse, you can see how that might seem
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applicable, which seems to be what Alex is doing.
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I guess.
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However, if you read more of the Bible, you would know that the act of throwing dust on
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one's head is something that's frequently done to express despair.
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Job's friends do it to show empathy with his plight, Joshua does it after receiving news
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of a military defeat, and the Book of Lamentations contains this verse about the response to
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the destruction of Jerusalem.
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Quote, the elders of daughter Zion sit on the ground in silence.
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They have sprinkled dust on their heads and put on sackcloth.
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The young women of Jerusalem have bowed their heads to the ground.
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Alex doesn't really care about the Bible or Christianity, so he doesn't have a broad spectrum
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grasp on what any of it means.
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He only has an interest in what the Bible says to the extent that he can use it to make
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his job easier or sound more interesting, so a reference to an ancient custom of expressing
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despair is entirely lost on him.
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He just sees the word dust and decides that it must be about 9-11.
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It's just fucking garbage.
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He's an embarrassing dope.
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Yeah, I mean, that sucks though.
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And it happens like this so often where it's like, there is an incredibly interesting question
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here and it's none of the things that Alex is talking about.
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When did people start putting dust on their heads?
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Whose idea was it?
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Who was the first guy who was like, ah, I'm so fucking sad and just sprinkled a little
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dust on his head and then everybody around him was like, holy shit, we totally get this
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signal.
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This signal makes perfect sense.
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I think if you saw someone throwing dust on their heads, you wouldn't assume they're having
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a great time.
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No, of course not.
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You'd be like, man, that guy should go in Lamentations.
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Yeah, that guy's having a rough one.
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He's having a rough one.
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Look at him sprinkle dust on his head.
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Yeah, I think that without some cultural context, future societies might look back on people
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splashing water on their face.
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Totally.
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As confusing.
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No, every time you see a horror movie where somebody's like, ah, I just got to splash
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water on my face, man.
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What was the first guy to splash water on his face whenever in a horrible situation?
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Right.
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These signifiers are culturally dependent and I mean, who knows?
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We just accept these things as having evolved naturally anthropologically as opposed to
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we need to be building time machines to ask these very specific and pointless questions.
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I honestly imagine if I'd spent about half an hour to 40 minutes more looking into this,
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I would have an answer for you.
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Not good enough.
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I need a time machine.
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I can't trust your answers with words.
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I think someone could very easily, we don't need a time machine for this one.
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This one I think probably has been studied.
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But yeah, I mean, Alex is just like, he's pulling at these straws of the revelation,
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like the dust trade towers.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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This is nonsense.
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My feeling on prophecy is you can't, it's all or nothing with prophecy, right?
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You can't have my prophecies better than your prophecy guy, because once you admit that
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somebody is getting prophecies and God can do weird shit at all point in time, even turning
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something that wasn't his into his, if you like, then any prophecy could be true.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Well, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's hard to fight prophecy when you're trying to defend the sort of structure of
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prophecy.
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Yeah.
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You kind of have to be like, yeah, they got it wrong.
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He was listening to the wrong guy.
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He got prophecy, but it was from Beelzebub or something.
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But you don't know that.
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And even if it was from Beelzebub, all prophecies are given through God in some form or fashion
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because it comes from God in some form or fashion.
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So all prophecies must or must not be true.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I'm fine with that.
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I think they're not true.
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I agree.
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The 9-11 hijackers.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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What do you think about them?
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Real pieces of garbage.
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Oh, we heard that earlier.
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Real pieces of garbage.
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Camera in the color.
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Yeah.
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It informed us about that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Overall, I think.
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Let me narrow my question.
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Yeah.
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That's a big question.
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Do you think they did it?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I do.
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You think they flew the planes and like did the...
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I'm pretty sure based upon all the evidence I had available to me when this happened and
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now that those guys were flying those fucking planes.
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At various points in Alex's career, he would agree with you.
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Yes.
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However, in 2006, he does not.
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Oh.
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Muhammad Atta didn't do anything.
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Muhammad Atta was a US government agent who thought he was taking part in drills.
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He was nerve gassed on board those aircraft.
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They were falling into the buildings.
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You can get 10 other versions of what happened.
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My version is correct.
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My version goes off the facts.
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My version goes off all the evidence.
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My version goes off the crime scene and the admissions and past operations.
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You see, we do multifaceted analysis here.
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Okay?
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And I know we had a lot of phones.
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I just spent 10 minutes on that because that caller just...
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Sir, get into real issues instead of just that idiot Nostradamus, the prophet Nostradamus.
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The guy was a charlatan.
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He was a carnival barker.
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He was a joke.
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It's the wrong show, brother.
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I don't know.
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Okay, so cognitive dissonance, very difficult.
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Two opposing ideas, same brain.
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Tough to do.
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I don't know how to deal with a guy fresh off of saying Muhammad Atta was nerve gassed
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in one of those planes and that was remote control, fly it into the thing.
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You're so stupid for believing what some random asshole from the past said.
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Yeah, and I think there's a rich comedy too in like, my version is based on facts and
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deep research.
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My version will change in six months.
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That's what people who believe in prophecy say.
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Yeah, and no one will hold me responsible for changing the version of the things I say.
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Nope.
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Yeah, he's a real...
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But this is like, I don't know.
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I feel like I've said this in times we've done past episodes before, is like, this is
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radio.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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This actually is radio.
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No, this is what it...
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I mean, oddly enough, this feels normal, right?
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This is like kind of what it's supposed to be.
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Crazy people making people on the radio mad.
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Yeah, Alex has a position that is weird and wrong and he attracts people who are weirder
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and wronger and they call and annoy him.
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And then there's a tension in that.
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I think that's kind of delicious.
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Yeah, no, it's great.
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It's sports talk radio.
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That's what it should be.
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That's the problem with stuff like this is that then it's like, and also we should vote
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for somebody.
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And it's like, ah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Be mad at the coach.
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Just don't give me this.
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So Alex goes to break and he comes back and he takes another caller.
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And this person has an interesting take to try and sort of reassure Alex and bring him
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back to earth.
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Okay.
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Let's talk to Robert.
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Robert, where are you calling me from?
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Hi, good morning.
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Alex.
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I'm Robert in San Diego.
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Welcome.
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Many times I'm an RTB student in college.
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Hey, you know, that first caller just was doing his job as an agent, you know, to try
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to distract you, you know, giving aid and comfort to the enemy, misdirection, propaganda,
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you know, taking away the true focus.
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He did sound sarcastic.
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He did sound sarcastic.
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Oh, it was totally a plant.
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I could hear it right from the word go.
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Oh yeah, man.
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That caller was totally a plant.
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That was the one who was trying to fuck with you.
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I could not be happier with that call.
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You're cool, man.
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You're cool.
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That's the globalist, man.
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Someone's paying him to fuck with you.
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Here's what I feel like just happened, right?
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I'm at a bar and then the guy who was next to me was dominating a conversation that I
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did not want to have.
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And he got up and he went to the bathroom and I was like, oh, phew, finally.
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And then this guy walks up and he just goes, that guy's a plant.
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I didn't ask for this, man.
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What are you doing here?
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I think I see the feeling that I had more is you're sitting at a bar, someone next to
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you there's a guy and he's aggressively hitting on a lady who is not interested.
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Not interested.
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Right?
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He's like, uh, you know, like, uh, come on, come on.
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She's not interested.
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Mohammed Atta is a piece of garbage.
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She walks away.
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Yeah.
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His buddy comes up and is patting him on the shoulder and like, you're a good looking boy.
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You're a good looking guy.
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Okay.
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This is reassurance.
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This is like reinforcing the like, there's definitely that the Alex ego.
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Yeah, I can see that.
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I also feel there's a lot of this guy in there too.
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I feel like he's talking to me out of the side of his mouth, you know, like, you know,
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that kind of thing.
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Sure.
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Yeah, I would.
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Yeah.
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I'd love a bar that was just full of like, this is all of Alex's callers from one day.
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Yep.
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We're just going to mingle.
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We're going to call it the Alex's callers bar.
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Everybody who calls in has to go to the bar afterwards.
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Yeah.
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I think that's a great plan.
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God, if only.
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Yeah.
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See, this is what we need a time machine for.
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We need to find more terrible reasons to use a time machine that have nothing to do
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with changing anything for the better.
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Well, I feel like going back and having a drink with some of these weirdos probably
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wouldn't leave too many ripples.
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Sure.
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Wouldn't cause time paradoxes.
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Or it would wind up making the world a lot better place.
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It could only help.
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Yeah, probably.
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So we got a commercial here.
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It's one of the delights of the past.
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Sometimes we got commercials.
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And here's one.
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Hello, folks.
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Alex Jones here introducing Prudent Places USA, an interactive CD book that is your premier
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resource for hard to find information.
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Find out about everything from job migration to evacuation information, such as major bridges
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in disrepair and FEMA evacuation time studies for coastal cities.
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Zero in on manmade disaster zones, environmental areas of concern, and natural disaster zones.
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Find out everything from where to get water in an emergency to geographic income levels,
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housing prices, complete with over three gigabytes of detailed information on the 3,000 plus
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counties in the US.
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Full color photographs, 550 high resolution full color maps, and detailed information
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and analysis that you need.
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Order Prudent Places USA now for only $29, plus shipping by calling New Millennium.
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It's fun to listen to an ad read like this and remember that Alex pretended that he was
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one of the most sought after voiceover guys before Obama came along and made everyone
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hate Alex for being white.
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This is hacky ad reading, even for 2006.
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And it works fine for like local businesses or someone with a tiny budget, but this would
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be considered pretty bad by professionals.
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This is a nice little commercial for a CD-ROM filled with advice about where to bug out
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when shit goes down.
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That seems like a normal enough thing for Alex to be selling, so at first glance this
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doesn't seem all that weird.
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But you might notice at the end there he tells people to call New Millennium to buy this
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CD-ROM, which also wouldn't sound that weird unless you've listened to a lot of InfoWars.
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New Millennium Concepts is the name of the company that makes Big Berkey Water Filters,
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which is one of Alex's primary sponsors at this time.
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That's a curious detail, and it raises some questions about why a company that produces
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water filters is also spending ad money to promote a CD-ROM above bugout locations.
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It seems outside of what their company was made to do, unless you understand the bigger
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picture.
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New Millennium Concepts doesn't sell water filters because they're passionate about
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cleaner water or because everyone needs their filters.
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They sell water filters because it's a product that's easy to sell using fear, and Alex's
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show is a fear-based marketing setup.
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Maybe it's not a terrible idea to use a water filter, but there's a difference between
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trying to sell someone one by explaining the upsides of it, and selling them one by yelling
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about how the water is poisoned and is going to turn you gay.
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Alex's content is a feeding mechanism that creates the fear that the products he sells
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are meant to alleviate.
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It's a predatory cycle where his show makes you scared that if you don't buy the water
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filters you'll die, but thankfully he has a filter company that he can vouch for.
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Buy Alex's friend's filters so you can alleviate the anxiety that his content has created.
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This CD-ROM operates the same way.
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Alex is full of yelling at the audience that it's the end of the world and everything's
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going to blow up at any moment, which creates a heightened level of fear.
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The audience is scared about where they can go to be safe during the societal collapse,
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and thankfully he has a friend who can sell them a CD-ROM full of information all about
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it, and it's the same people who sell you the water filters.
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It's really convenient.
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Yeah, it's a little bit shady.
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And by that I mean a lot shady.
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Which do you think is worse?
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Do you think it's worse if the people running the company are making this CD-ROM and a
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essentially it's going like, and you know what else?
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You could really use an air filter if you bug out here, or a water filter if you bug
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out here, or you know all that stuff.
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Or if the people that made the company are like, our water filters are great, but also
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we're terrified that we're going to need to bug out at any single moment.
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You know?
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Like is it better if the fear from them is real or if they're cynically taking advantage
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of it?
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Which is better?
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Yeah.
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I think the effect is the same either way, because none of that can be communicated to
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the audience that just hears Alex's terrible ad read.
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That is true.
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But I think from a human perspective it's probably better if they actually believe it.
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Because then at least they're not intentionally and maliciously ripping people off.
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They are just thinking that it's of service.
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Right.
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They're just regular weirdos.
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Yeah, but I don't believe that.
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No, it would be hard not to wisen up, especially if you were, like maybe you were afraid, but
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then shortly after you started making a lot more money, you were less afraid and more
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willing to cynically exploit people.
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I imagine.
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So we get to the second hour of the show, and Alex has some guests.
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One of them is a fellow named Robert, who's a filmmaker.
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And he has a new film out that Alex is helping promote, and he really has been laying a lot
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of groundwork, both in the episode the day before this and the beginning of this episode,
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about how this guy's the shit.
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He's won Emmys, he's so big.
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He's real.
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Yeah.
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And so Alex does his little intro.
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My guests are here in the studio with me.
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And of course one of them is Robert Mancero.
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He's a producer, director, writer of over 10 years in the television film industry after
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spending three years at Disney Studios.
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He formed his own production company, Full Vision Productions.
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And Robert has been honored with, well, instead of reading this long bio, Robert, tell us
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about yourself.
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I come from a commercial music video background.
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I've done a lot of extreme sports, and now into the documentary filmmaking avenue.
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So when you first got into TV, what did you do?
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When I first got into TV, I was basically a temp.
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I walked on the Disney lot.
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I had no job whatsoever.
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I walked into a building and they go, are you the temp?
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And of course I said yes.
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And I worked there, worked my way up, became a junior production executive, worked under
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Katzenberg, was in charge of quite a few films in development, and just got tired of the
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whole corporate scene because I wanted to go out and make films.
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So I left.
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Absolutely not.
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No?
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No.
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None of that was true?
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It can't be.
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Was some of it true about him being an intern maybe for a while?
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I feel like this is something from how to succeed in business without really trying
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or whatever that usable was.
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Do you mean Michael J. Fox is starring in this movie about working your way up to the
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top very quickly with no difficulty?
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I was a temp.
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And by that I mean I wasn't a temp.
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I just walked onto the lot and pretended to be a temp, and then I'm working for Katzenberg.
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I'm in charge of a bunch of...
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That's like a person who imagines they're like, okay, so I'm an extra on some things,
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and then I just was so good at that, I'm now starring as...
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I was almost Star-Lord.
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I was almost in Guardians.
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Very close.
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I do like the, I was put in charge of several movies.
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I was put in charge of several movies.
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Why?
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Why and for what?
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And which movies were they?
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Impossible, number one.
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Those are positions that are people who have careers.
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We moved the temp up, and he's not in charge of production.
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I understand people think that the entertainment industry is very chaotic, and it's more chaotic
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than a lot of other industries, but it's not that chaotic.
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Yeah.
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And I do like the I was under Katzenberg, though, because I guess everyone is.
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Yeah.
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How many steps removed?
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What a great name drop for him.
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I believe he could have been a temp, though.
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So Alex has been trying to play this guy up like he's the most legitimate Emmy-nominated
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director around, and the reason is because he just put out a documentary called Prescription
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Suicide, which is about the evils of prescription drugs.
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Right off the bat, I want to make it clear that I tried to watch this documentary to
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prep for the episode, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
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I found a physical copy for sale on eBay, but it would take too long to get here, so
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I didn't buy it, but I did want to actually watch the film before I judged it too hard.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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There's a lot of really good critiques people can make about the prescription drug industry,
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and if this guy was saying something that was reasonable, then I don't want to just
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have a knee-jerk reaction to hate him because he's on Alex's show.
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Yeah.
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In 2006, and entirely sane, people could find themselves on Info Wars, so I want to be careful
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not to jump to conclusions.
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Yeah.
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That said, it's important for Alex to present him as a very important filmmaker, because
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the bigger story here is that Robert's film wasn't accepted to play at South by Southwest,
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and if he's a big deal in the industry, then that would seem to indicate that the subject
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he's covering is too hot.
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Too hot.
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And he's being censored.
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Gotcha.
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On the flip side, if he's just a guy who showed up as a temp at Disney and is pretending that
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he was in charge of getting movies made, then it starts to make a lot more sense why South
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by Southwest might have rejected his film.
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Maybe it wasn't good.
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Again, I would prefer to have watched it so I could just say that it's not good, but based
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on Robert's self-told origin story, my instincts are to say it's probably bad.
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Yeah.
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The only thing that's a bad sign is that previous to this, the only credit he has as a director
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is a 2002 comedy short film about Viagra called Code Blue.
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He doesn't have another credit until a 2016 film called Veteran Charity Ride to Sturgis.
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So I don't-
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That sounds fun, though.
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Totally.
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But it's not a big career.
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No, no it's not.
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From what I understand and was able to glean, I think he's had a totally fine career, but
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it's mostly been PSAs and directing things for local fire departments.
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That's great.
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Yeah, it's work and it's creative.
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I'm not shitting on that, but it's not like making big budget movies.
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We can't all become Michel Gondry and turn music videos into Eternal Sunshine of the
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Spinalist's Mind.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes just make some music videos.
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And there's no shame in that, but I don't think based on everything I can tell that
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this documentary was good.
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Yeah, I'm not saying that the gatekeepers are always correct, but generally talent will
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find a way to do more than Charity Ride to Sturgis.
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He was talking about the rejection letter that he got from South by Southwest, and one
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of the things that he says was that they thought it was artless.
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Jesus!
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Fucking hell, South by!
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He interpreted that as the subject matter is too heavy for these people.
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Sure.
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Which I think he could have taken the note a little differently.
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Yeah, I mean artless isn't really a great note though.
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I mean, so it's artless?
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What does that mean?
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Bad.
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Should I cut more?
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Was the storyboarding bad?
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It's an umbrella thing.
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That's what I'm saying.
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You got no craft here, buddy.
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What does that even mean?
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I don't have any craft?
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Maybe I should just not make documentaries, is that what you're trying to say?
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Yep.
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Oh shit, god damn that does sound right.
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Are you the temp?
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We need someone to get coffee for the people at South by Southwest.
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Okay fine, I'll get it.
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Sorry for giving you my film.
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So he talks a little bit about this film with Alex.
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Now you're making independent films, tell us about this new documentary you've made,
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Prescription Suicide.
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Prescription Suicide is a look into the families affected by anti-depressant drugs.
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And basically what it is, it's six stories of six kids told by the families.
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It's through their eyes, through their experiences, and there's no experts, there's no doctors
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telling you facts, it's just the families telling you what happened in their lives.
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Oh that does sound artless.
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So you're personalizing it?
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Absolutely, it's a very personal approach.
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It's great, and I think that personalizing mental illness stories can be often pretty
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helpful, but I think that there's huge problems with Robert's approach.
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The first is that he's doing a documentary that's wildly critical of prescription drugs,
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and he has no interest in hearing from the pro-medication interview subjects.
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Like someone who can give voice to the other side, not interested, just leave it alone.
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Let him out.
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This means that he's not setting out to do a piece that actually gets into medication
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and whether or not it's helpful.
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Instead it's just meant to be a slice of life kind of thing looking at people who have
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had tragedies in their family that revolve around mental health.
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The second problem is that he can't interview the people who died from suicide.
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He can only hear their perspective through the lens of the family members who were alive.
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I'm not saying that the family members don't have a valid story to tell or that their experience
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isn't important, but I'm saying that they don't know everything.
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It's a harsh reality that for a lot of people struggling with mental health issues, their
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family members can often be a part of why they're struggling.
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Parental abuse or neglect can often be a big factor, and even when that isn't the case,
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family members are often in complete denial about what someone is going through.
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These interviews can provide a humanizing glimpse into what the family members thought
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was going on with their loved one, but it can't capture what they actually were going
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through.
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Externally, it might have appeared to a mother that their child was getting worse after being
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on a prescription, but the documentary isn't about that.
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It's about blaming medications for people committing suicide.
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This documentary is flawed in concept and from an execution standpoint.
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It sounds artless.
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It does sound very artless.
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Yeah.
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That's no good.
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That's no good.
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He later clarifies that there are six families, three with people who have died of suicide
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and three who attempted suicide.
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And again, I was not able to watch this, so I don't know, but one of the people that
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he is discussing, he does name this person, and I was able to look up their story.
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They ended up suing Paxil, the company that makes Paxil, and in the course of the lawsuit,
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if you read the description of what happened, this person was on a bunch of drugs.
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They were on PCP and had amphetamines in their system.
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It was not just a situation where they were doing Paxil.
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There's a lot of, I would say, confounding variables with some of the cases that they're
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talking about.
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Based on their interview, I don't think they handle it well.
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I can't imagine they do.
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Yeah.
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The problem with anecdotal stories, for mental illness especially, is sooner or later you're
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going to be in there with the doctor and the doctor's going to give you an anecdote.
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It's like, how do you deal with that?
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Because the reality is, most of the time they work, but nothing works all the time.
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When you're dealing with the brain, that shit's crazy, so anything might get rewired somewhere.
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Every time, the doctor is not trying to rewire you in the wrong place, but who fucking knows?
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There's always going to be the most tragic story of a person who is fucking doomed, and
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then the horrible things that happen because people exploit it, or don't do it correctly
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in response.
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The stories, it's kind of tragic, but the stories of people who respond well to medication
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and go back to their lives and maybe have their lives saved by clinical and therapy
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approach to mental health crises, that's kind of not interesting to people in a documentary.
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It's kind of a boring story that I got my life back together.
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The interesting part of the story is probably before you got help.
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It's way before.
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Yeah.
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Generally, that's why it's very interesting.
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These human interest stories and these humanizing things, I think they're valuable, and it's
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not wrong to do this, but to use that in a way as a cudgel against this branch of mental
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health, I think is wrong.
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I think you've correctly identified one of the main problems, which is that at the end
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of the day, pulling back, the goal of any mental health intervention is to make your
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life more boring.
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That is the goal.
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The goal is for you to have fewer interesting stories to tell.
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Yeah, in a way.
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Exactly.
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In a way.
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But I think-
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It's preferable because there are so many interesting stories that are interesting to
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you that are not interesting to other people.
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It's very interesting to me whenever I go and just have dinner with my wife.
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That is not a big story.
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Yeah.
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There's another guest there.
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Yeah.
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It's a lady who wrote a book, and so Alex introduces her.
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We also have somebody here with us riding shotgun today, and that's Gwen Olsen, conducting
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confessions of an RX drug pusher, and God's call to loving arms.
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And she's been on the inside, and then had already gotten disillusioned, gotten out of
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the system, and then, even after she'd already gotten out of the system, then her niece died
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a just horrific death like so many others that have taken this drug.
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And then we learned that even in the testing of the drugs, it came out that they knew it
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radically increased suicidal tendencies.
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They knew it radically increased suicidal tendencies.
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The opposite.
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So we'll tell that story and talk about her book.
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So Gwen Olsen wrote a book called Confessions of a Prescription Drug Pusher, God's Call
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to Loving Arms.
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Oh boy.
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Which is something of a mind fuck in title form.
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Her claim to fame was that she was a pharmaceutical rep who got disillusioned with the fact that
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her job was to try to convince doctors to prescribe drugs more.
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She came to view her job as being a drug pusher, and that's all good and well.
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But things get confusing as the part where God is in the subtitle.
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Yeah, that's a problem.
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It makes total sense that someone would be a pharmaceutical rep and get disgusted with
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the whole industry of over-prescribing drugs and come out with a tell-all book.
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That makes sense.
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It's a valid angle to attack Big Pharma from, and it represents an actual problem that we
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could work on solving.
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The God part is a departure though, and it raises alarms.
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So I read through most of Gwen's book, and it's basically a memoir that's been co-opted
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into an anti-medication tome.
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I think that she's a willing participant in that co-option, but the core of what that
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book is about could have gone a different direction.
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Essentially, she's a person with a very tumultuous family history, full of abuse and
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chaos.
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People in her family have not had good outcomes with psychiatric drugs, which she is universalized
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into a belief that these drugs don't work.
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There we go.
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So she seems to take issue with what she thinks is a universal belief that mental illnesses
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are passed on genetically, which gives credence to the idea that the solution to them should
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be drugs.
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Her family shared some mental health struggles, but her take on it is that it's not a genetic
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condition, it's a spiritual sickness.
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I don't really take much issue with that as a basic perspective, and my whole life has
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been in conversation with mental health issues.
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I've met people, including fellow mentally unwell people as well as doctors, and some
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of them think medication is more important than other approaches, and others don't.
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Some think that medication is right for them, and others swear by it, some people think
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I don't really want to mess with that.
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But everyone I've ever dealt with understands that there's a role for multiple approaches.
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I've never known anyone who thought a pill was a magic solution, but I do understand
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that that thinking did exist in the past.
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What perpetuated that kind of thinking was mostly marketing, where a company would try
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to brand their new pill as a miracle drug, right up to the extent that the law would
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allow them to.
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Gwen worked in that machine.
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Her job as a pharmaceutical rep was to be the salesperson for these drugs.
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A different department was in charge of making the ads, but she was the part of the business
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that was on the ground, asking the doctors, what can I put you down for?
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It makes total sense that existing in that world would make you think that the whole
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mental health approach in the country was based on pushing drugs, so I kind of don't
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judge Gwen too harshly for having that perspective.
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What she's presenting as the universal position isn't the universal position, but it probably
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felt that way to her, so I can see how that, like, her coming from that place is sincere.
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Yeah, when I was doing hearing aids, I was, I've done it in, like,
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general clinical areas where you've got an ophthalmologist and you've got all that stuff, right?
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And so I've seen so many drug reps buy so many lunches, and it is disillusioning.
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Don't get me wrong, there is no way to see one of those people walk in with, like, mediocre
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Chinese food catered and then realize that they're selling, like, OxyContin by the bucket load.
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But I don't know, what else are you gonna do?
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Somebody's gotta go.
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I'm not gonna ever argue that there is a major problem, and has been for a long time, with
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this structure of pharma as a business.
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Yeah, but I mean, once you start with, like, oh, the medical industry's fucked as a business,
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everybody agrees with you.
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And so is everything.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Business is fucked as a business.
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Yeah.
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When things like medications and shit have, like, gigantic financial incentives attached
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to them and shareholders and all this shit, it becomes very messy, and I think that's unhealthy.
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Yeah, insulin's free to make and it costs some amount of money that's ungodly, so...
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It's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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So this book is generally, it seems like the story of a person who discovered that non-medication
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approaches to dealing with mental illness and trauma existed, and thinking that no one
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had ever heard of them.
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That seems to be what her journey is.
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She worked as a pharmaceutical rep, so she probably wasn't exposed to as many people
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promoting yoga or meditation, which is being experienced as someone, like, was trying to
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cover these things up.
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And that just is silly.
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It's all great to promote these kinds of things and taking a holistic approach to mental health,
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but if I'm being fair, that is not where this book stops.
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I agree with her on a very basic premise that she's making about this idea that medication
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isn't, it's not gonna solve all your problems.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Her argument expands to being anti-medication in a way that her story does not earn.
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I resent this book, and I think her approach and the impact of that book has done far more
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damage to people's mental health than anything she did as a pharmaceutical rep.
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And I'm just gonna say this off the bat, that I'm not gonna cover too much about what Gwen
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talks about on the show, because a lot of it is about her niece who died from suicide,
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and that's very uncomfortable.
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The niece was struggling with mental illness and drug abuse, and her mom was trying to
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get her help, which Gwen didn't approve of because it involved medication.
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Gwen decided that all of her niece's symptoms were actually being caused by the medications,
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and seemingly appointed herself as the niece's guardian, and positioned herself as the enemy
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of her niece's mom, her sister.
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It's honestly all very fucked up, and it's painfully obvious that Gwen projected a lot
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of her baggage onto the niece in a way that was entirely unfair and probably exacerbated
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what was already a horrible situation that she was in.
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I read the story in Gwen's own words in her book, and I think an argument could be made
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that she's partially responsible for her niece's death.
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That would explain a lot of people's very vehement views if you think about it for
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five seconds and go, well, you can either have that vehement view or recognize that
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you might be partially responsible for a lot of terrible shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Some people might think that that's taking it too far, so I'll just make a very safe
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statement, which is that she's exploiting her niece's death, and I find it disgusting,
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and that is what a lot of her interview is.
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So I'm not engaging.
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It is strange to have the experience.
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My memoir, the memoir that did it for me, so to speak, was by Dr. K. Redfield Jamison.
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It's called An Unquiet Mind, and it's one of my favorite books anybody's ever written,
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and it is about somebody who is a doctor in the field who has bipolar type one, the
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classic double whammy, somebody who's on both sides, as opposed to somebody who's a pharmaceutical
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rep, and that is just not the space to be in.
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Yeah, and I don't want to say that she's stupid by any means.
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No, it has nothing to do with intelligence as we consider it.
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Well, there's a but coming.
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Well.
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I do think it's dumb the way that she presents herself as if she's a doctor in the book.
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She presents a lot of, oh, I mean, I was selling these drugs to doctors, so I had to learn
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a lot about them, just like a doctor, and that's not really true, and it comes off really,
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really bad, and I think that there's an extent to, I'm kind of trying to be gracious and
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nice by not covering her interview, because I think I'd have really fucking horrible things
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to say if I did, and let's not dwell on that.
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Yeah, it's tough, because it's like your clinical experience is talking to doctors.
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Doctors' clinical experience is talking to people, and so you can't have the same point
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of view on efficacy.
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Yeah, yeah, and your job is sales.
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Exactly.
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Not medicine.
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Beautiful job of medicine.
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Yeah.
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So Alex talks a little bit about Prozac and how it is ...
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Is great and really ... Oh, nope.
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Very bad.
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Unsurprising.
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In fact, let me ask you this, Gwen.
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Back in the early 80s when they approved Prozac, it's admitted now, and this actually came
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out a long time ago, right around that time that you were working for them, but it was
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in a few publications, but not really publicly widely circulated, that they knew it radically
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increased suicide around 15%, which is a huge increase, and was actually a suicide
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drug.
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I mean, it really encouraged it.
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That was one of the main effects.
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And then here they are pushing it for depression.
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Did you ever hear that when you were in the industry?
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Did you ever hear anybody criticize?
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Absolutely not.
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In fact, I only heard all of the positive information.
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The drugs were non-addicting.
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The drugs were benign.
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The drugs were not neurotoxic, all of that sort of thing.
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There's literally no reason why anyone in the pharmaceutical industry would be telling
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Gwen to say any of that stuff about their products.
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None of it's true.
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So it would be entirely counterproductive for them to say, like, oh, our product is
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neurotoxic, or whatever.
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That would be crazy.
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Silly.
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It would be crazy.
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I'm not saying that pharmaceutical industry reps don't ever mislead people about their
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drugs, just that it's not a lie to say that antidepressants aren't neurotoxic.
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So there's a lot of studies about antidepressants like Prozac and whether or not they make things
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like suicidal ideation worse.
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Most of it shows no evidence that they cause any increase, but there are some studies that
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suggest that they might.
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Because of that, and because drug companies are very averse to getting sued, almost all
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medications prescribed for mood disorders have added a warning that say that they could
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cause an increase in suicidal ideation.
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This is less a reflection of a real risk that these medications pose, and more of a way
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for drug companies to handle responsibility and spread it out.
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If you do a study about people who have depression with notable suicidal ideation, and you treat
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one group with Prozac and another group with a placebo, what outcome might you expect?
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Certainly with Alex's belief system, he would expect a higher incidence of suicidal ideation
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in the Prozac group after treatment, because he thinks that the drug causes that, right?
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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The problem is that even if you had a study like that, and those were the results you
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got, it would be very hard to untangle all the confounding variables.
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You'd have a result that was worth discussing and retesting and looking more into, but you
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wouldn't have proven anything.
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A 2013 paper published in the Journal of Psychological Research hoped to find a way to get rid of
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some of the more serious confounding variables, primarily how severe depression can be hard
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to identify how much of the symptoms are caused by the condition compared to the treatment.
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An ideal situation would be to treat non-depressed people with Prozac and see if they got depressed
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or suicidal, but that study wasn't available and no one's going to do that.
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Something kinda close was, though.
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A 2004 outpatient study was done with patients suffering from minor depression who had much
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lower rates of suicidal ideation.
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These patients were split into double-blind groups, one being treated with Prozac and
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the other with a placebo, and they were checked up on for 12 weeks.
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Basically, they had those questionnaires that you get and they ask you about your suicidal
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ideation rated on a scale of 0 to 4.
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This paper analyzed the rates that people in the Prozac and placebo groups had increases
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of one or two points.
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They found that people in the placebo group had higher rates of increased suicidal ideation,
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but the amount was statistically insignificant.
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However, there was a wrinkle.
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There was no statistical significance in the difference in groups in terms of who had an
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increase of one or two points, but if you only included the people who had baseline
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suicidal ideation at the beginning of the study, people in the group treated with Prozac
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had significantly less of an increase.
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For patients without suicidal ideation before the study, 5.1% of the placebo group had an
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increase of two points, whereas the Prozac group was 3.5%.
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That's not that big of a difference.
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For patients who had initial suicidal ideation, 40.9% of the placebo group had increases of
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two points, compared to 12.5% with the Prozac group.
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Does this paper prove anything?
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Not necessarily, although the data does tend to support the opposite of Alex's hypothesis.
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It seems to suggest that the severity of symptoms is itself a confounding variable to understanding
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what symptoms could be caused by medications and what could be a part of someone dealing
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with the condition that the medication is seeking to treat.
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There are a ton of studies out there about SSRIs, and I would never pretend to say that
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all of it says that every drug is safe all the time, but I'm comfortable saying that
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Alex is lying, and the question's so much more complicated.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, the one thing that is nice about it is that, generally speaking,
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the profit motivation keeps you from making poison.
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It generally doesn't make you money, at least long term, to murder people instantly.
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That usually doesn't help.
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Soft kill.
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Yeah, they're not for it.
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In an evil way, you can trust them for being evil.
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They just get more money if you don't kill yourself.
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True.
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So there you go.
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You've got that going for you.
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Yeah, I guess it's not really an optimistic thing to say, well, based on just pure capitalist
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motivations, they want you to have a shit life, but not die.
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No, but that's what I'm saying.
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That's what makes it more trustworthy.
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If you were like, oh, these people want you to live, I'd be like, those motherfuckers
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make McDonald's and shit like that.
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But if you're like, they want more money, I'd be like, yes, thank you.
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I will take your pill.
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Sure.
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So, you know, a lot of this has to do with the idea of side effects from psychiatric
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meds and how everyone is going to make you all want to kill yourself.
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It's all bad.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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So as I was listening to this, I got kind of weirded out by a commercial that came on
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right after that conversation.
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Oh my god, don't.
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Do you know the truth about breast cancer?
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Did you know that the race for the cure is over?
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The best kept secret in the country today is that it is now possible to kill cancer
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without personal suffering, mutilation, and poisoning of your entire system.
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Now it's cancer's turn to die with BlazeMed Inc.'s patented methodology.
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Without cutting, bleeding, drugs, or damaging radiation, we can destroy tumors of any size
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without adverse side effects.
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Without adverse side effects?
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I mean, come on now.
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That's the most lying lie I've ever heard in my entire fucking life.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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I did it on an episode way back, but just as a brief refresher, BlazeMed Inc. was a
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company run by a person named Antonella Carpenter.
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She wasn't a doctor and she lied to people about being able to cure all cancers and eliminate
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tumors with a laser.
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In 2011, she was successfully sued for $2.5 million by a patient she had defrauded, and
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in 2016, she was found guilty of 29 counts including fraud, inducing people to travel
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in interstate commerce in an effort to defraud them, and wire fraud.
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She got super lucky that the judge just gave her five years probation and required her
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to pay restitution.
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What?
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Because, well, she was really old.
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I know.
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I got it.
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She's like 71.
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It's fine.
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I'm fine.
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I don't care.
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I think they were just like, whatever.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, she could have done the rest of her life basically in jail for the charges
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she was convicted of.
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She did a lot of crimes.
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I would take Alex's shit about antidepressants and big pharma a little more seriously if
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he wasn't accepting ad money from this wildly irresponsible and fraudulent company.
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His complaints about how the medical system doesn't take side effects of medication seriously
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just can't exist in the same broadcast as someone claiming they can use a laser and
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saline to get rid of all your tumors with no side effects.
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It's cool to criticize big pharma, I assure you.
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I think it's cool.
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But if you do, you can't take that woman's money.
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One of the things that's particularly chilling about this commercial is that when this all
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went to court, it was really impossible to tell how many people Carpenter had played
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a role in killing.
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Anyone who went to see her got no treatment at all, but they left being told that they
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were totally cured.
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None of them were cured though, and all of them that had malignant tumors got worse.
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Seven former patients brought charges against her and five of them were dead before she
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faced trial.
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Antonella Carpenter was a piece of shit, and anybody who would air this ad is complicit
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and just as big of a piece of shit.
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There's no way to listen to the ad and not be complicit in what is obviously a lie.
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Yes, yeah.
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It's a ridiculous claim that you would... if you had any instinct, you'd be like, we
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gotta prove this before we take this money.
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I mean, you're just saying, oh, I have magic.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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And it's dangerous magic.
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Yeah, I have dangerous magic.
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So keep in mind that this episode is from 2006 as I read to you this passage from an
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article in Tulsa World about this lady's trial.
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Quote, the daughter of one patient who died after being treated by Carpenter in 2006 said
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Carpenter screamed at her and hung up the telephone after she called to say her father
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was paralyzed on his right side and the cancerous tumor had broken through his skin.
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It's entirely possible that that person heard about her through Alex's show.
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He's running ads for her in 2006.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I don't, I don't think it's impossible.
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Nope.
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Alex in some way indirectly, semi-directly profited off of this lady, her dad getting
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paralyzed.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the side effects thing is such a, is such a difficult one to pin down because
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anything that is a consequence of something we also describe as a side effect of something,
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you know, so it is like, oh, we can get rid of your tumor with no side effects is insane
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because just by virtue of something growing inside of you and then removing it, there
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will be side effects to that, to having it removed.
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Your body is not just like, oh cool, great.
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Now we got that out of us.
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We'll just do nothing with this space.
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Well, there'll be cool side effects.
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Exactly.
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There's going to be weird shit that happens no matter what.
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The idea of just being like, hey, we'll deal with cancer.
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You know, that thing that humans have been really pissed off about for basically all
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of time by just zapping it with a laser and then you'll be home.
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Yeah.
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I, I w I read a number of articles about, uh, about this lady and, uh, I got disgusted
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all over again.
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Yeah.
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It's just, it's crazy stuff.
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Like she would just put a laser on people and then be like, your tumor is dead.
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It's fine.
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And then their tumor would grow.
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Of course.
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And they go to a doctor and they'd be like, well, your tumor is bigger.
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And then she'd be like, that doctor doesn't know what he's talking about.
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It's dead.
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And they wouldn't even tell the difference between a living and dead.
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It's like, it's like when you meet somebody who's just truly a predator, you know, like
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this is a person who just feeds on people at no point in time.
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How could you even like look somebody in the face after zapping them with a laser and then
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they tell you that their tumor's bigger and be like, ah, that guy's an idiot.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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At the very least be like, yeah, I know I fucked up.
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You know, one of the things that I wanted to learn more about, but I was unable to figure
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out was that the articles said that she made the lasers herself and it did also say that
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she had a physics degree, so I could believe she made some sort of little machine.
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But I wanted to know more about that laser.
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Yeah.
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And I could not find, I could not get to the bottom of it.
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We're dealing with a lot of stuff that makes a lot more sense in 1910.
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That's what it feels like.
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This episode, even though it's from 2006, should really be from 1916.
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Nostradamus, Alex running magic heads.
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Also, one last thing about this lady.
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She saw a patient, patient in quotes, because she insists she was not doing medicine legally.
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So she saw someone who had growth and she decided that it was cancer, but it wasn't.
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But the way that she determined that it was, was that she injected some food coloring into
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it and then was like, the color stayed.
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It's cancer.
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This is classic cancer.
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Oh my God.
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She used food coloring.
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Oh my God.
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Because you know they use dyes in hospitals.
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Yes, so it's the same thing.
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You know, like a pet scan is really just punching you in the face.
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Just food coloring.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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Awesome.
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Yeah, that is a person who is just fucking, that's the type of crazy where it's like,
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oh, you're not crazy, but you're the craziest person I've ever met in my entire life.
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So so so crazy.
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Yeah.
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It's just good to remember that Alex is doing this episode that is so much about attacking
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the institution of like medical based mental health interventions.
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And he's willing to take money from this malicious predator asshole who is allowing people to
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get worse with their cancers for money.
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So fuck them.
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I mean, you know, like there's just a small amount of honor that I wish for, which is
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like, hey, you've already given me your money.
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That's done.
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I scammed you.
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Go to a doctor.
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Get out of here, you scamp.
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Like that's, that's at least better than the second call being, no, you're totally fine.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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So we have one last clip here.
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The end of the show, the last hour is Alex hanging out with his buddy, George Humphrey.
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This dude is so fucking boring.
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I don't, I think he must be paying Alex to be on the show.
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Yeah.
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Like he sucks.
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He is so boring.
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He has so little to say.
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He has no charisma.
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And Alex does on multiple occasions bring up that he is a successful rich businessman.
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So I think that makes sense.
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But also maybe he's paying Alex to be on the show because he's adding nothing.
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I've never said about people that I was having a good time with.
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He's a successful businessman.
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That's never been necessary.
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Well, I think in some context that he does it, it does make some sense because they're
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talking about like NAFTA and gas.
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Sure.
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You know, like they're talking about these things that affect business in the United
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States.
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And you're a business person.
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Exactly.
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You do business.
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Yeah.
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So, um, thankfully, uh, it's not just George.
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Okay.
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It's a emergency call from Ron Paul.
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So he chats with Ron 2006, man, a little bit.
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And this is an interesting thing to hear.
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Last week we talked about impeachment Democrats, uh, winning control of the Congress.
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You believe that they'll then try to impeach Bush.
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How do you see that coming down?
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I suspect they will.
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They've introduced the resolution already and, uh, it would be both because, uh, they're
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angry just for general political reasons, but they're really, really would like to get
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paid back for what Republicans did with Clinton.
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So if they get, uh, if they get a majority in the house, I believe they'll take it up
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in a very serious manner.
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But overall, do you think it will be positive to see the executive branch punished just
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for a precedent?
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I mean, right now, the executive claiming Imperial power, would it be positive to see
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the executive punished?
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I think anything that diminishes the power of the executive branch or the central government
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is beneficial to the people and to the cause of Liberty.
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Congressman, you're a trooper, you're a champion of Liberty.
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Uh, you are just an amazing American and we're glad to have you up there as a standard of
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the paleo conservatism and God bless you.
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Thanks for spending time with us.
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Have a great weekend.
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Thank you.
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You bet.
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I will a hundred percent, uh, support the opposite of this a little bit down the road
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when your son is a bummer.
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Your son sucks.
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Yeah.
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Couldn't be elected.
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Uh, so I decided to, uh, just abandon all this shit.
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You know, in a way the Paul family let us down.
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Yep.
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It's all them.
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If Rand hadn't been so shit, well, Alex might've stayed on that train.
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Let me, let me just say one thing.
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A Rand Paul presidency would not be great or a Ron Paul one.
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Honestly.
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I mean like he's just as much of a like destroy the state, uh, white, uh, white identity kind
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of fella.
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Like he has a lot of those same inclinations.
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Um, it's just, yeah, no, they did let us down in a sense.
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They could have maintained a holding pattern, uh, with Alex that, that probably could have
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contained some of this stuff.
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If Rand Paul didn't suck, if Ron Paul wasn't too old to run again as a goof.
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Yep.
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Um, yeah, it's a, that let, that let Trump sneak in there.
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They needed a good candidate to like rally around and be like, he could have won.
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Yeah.
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Instead they had Trump in that slot and like he had, he fucked around and won.
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Yep.
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And that, that ruined everything.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, man.
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Let it not be sad enough.
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That's how much Hillary Clinton sucked.
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Well, after, uh, you know, after the 2016 election, a little bit down the road, Webster
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Tarpley wrote that essay about how the Paul family was the, um, the vestibule that led
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into fascism and, uh, how the, uh, the falling apart of the libertarianism that they had
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created allowed for like, because it was ultimately shown to be fairly empty.
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Right.
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And it was destroyable.
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And that, uh, that vacuum, uh, w w allowed Trump to suck all them up.
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Yeah.
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If, if Rand or Ron had gained real power, their direction would have been to keep the
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militia people in their fox holes, like waiting, you know, like keep them small, keep them
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in like little regions, not take over the whole fucking country.
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No.
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And I think that, uh, they at least, well, I mean, they never really had the opportunity,
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so who knows, but it feels like they would not, uh, like kidnap Maduro.
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They would not want to buy Greenland.
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Yeah.
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Like they aren't interested in an imperial president.
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And Alex in that clip is pretending that he's not either.
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Yeah.
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Ross Perot would have kidnapped Maduro.
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Yes.
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So for sure.
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I think we've understood something about allowing billionaire lunatics to have power.
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Ross Perot would have tried to get Maduro to kidnap him.
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That's how crazy he was.
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Ross Perot really had some big plans.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, God bless him.
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But yeah, I think, I think that there's something fun about Alex interviewing his, you know,
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idol here in 2006 and expressing the polar opposite of what he, what he believes now
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about restraining the executive and the imperial president needing to be punished and the Liberty
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and all this shit.
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Yeah.
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But when you, yeah.
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It is, it is wild what 20 years can do.
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Yep.
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Cause it didn't used to have that power.
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20 years back in the day, it used to be the same 20 years.
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In like the 14 hundreds, 14, 20 to 14, 40.
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You probably had the same life.
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Yeah.
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But I bet not.
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I bet.
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I don't know.
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I mean the sixties and the eighties are pretty different.
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That's true.
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But how much of that is just recency?
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You know, like I bet, I bet no, I bet the 14 twenties.
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On the day to day basis, I think people would have a more stable, well stable is the wrong
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word to use.
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I bet.
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I bet.
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Also I bet it depends on the 20.
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I bet 1490 to 1510.
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Pretty crazy.
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That was 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
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Yeah.
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But that didn't really bother anybody.
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I mean, except for the people that he murdered here down the line, it bothered, it down the
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line and butter bothered a lot of people.
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Do you think within 20 years?
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Probably.
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I don't know.
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Did he even bring back that much good shit?
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Like I'm pretty sure that the Spanish didn't feel too much love from Columbus.
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If that makes sense.
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You know what I mean?
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What?
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I don't think he brought too much back.
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Well, I mean, you only got so much space on those boats.
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That's fair.
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So many spices.
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And they're just not that big of boats.
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You got to cross the ocean.
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Also, what did they have back then?
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They didn't have like frozen pizza.
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They didn't have Twinkies.
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No, no.
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It was just a search for salt.
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They didn't have Faygo.
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Yeah, that was it.
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Yeah.
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They did not have Faygo.
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Whoop whoop.
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Yeah.
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They did not have the dark carnival.
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No.
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Nope.
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And I think that's why 20 years is all monotonous.
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That's why our last 20 years have been so interesting.
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So I'd like the past.
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I'm enjoying being in the past.
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And so I'm going to stay in it.
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Certainly not indefinitely.
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I'll check back in on present stuff for a bit.
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But I think that for mental health and for everyone's well-being, this is great.
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I think the present has got some work to do.
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Yeah.
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And until that is kind of handled, or at least addressed, I think we should just stick around.
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Yeah.
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The arguments that Alex and his ilk are making deserve a punch, not a discussion.
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Very much.
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But also, did you see the news about what happened to our boy Elijah?
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No.
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Elijah Schafer, the guy who hates Indians?
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No.
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What?
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Oh.
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What?
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Okay.
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I'm going to do my best to explain this.
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This is going to be tough.
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So there was this Catholic young lady who was an influencer who went on Jubilee, that
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surrounded show on YouTube.
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Sure.
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Where you got 20 people sitting in a circle and they argue with one person in the middle.
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Fine.
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She was on that.
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She went viral because she was like, what's wrong with white nationalism?
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She became kind of a poster child of Catholic, dominionist, white nationalist.
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Good for her.
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Yeah.
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Fuentes adjacent kind of shit.
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Anyway, Elijah Schafer ends up fucking her in a way that she describes very much as sexual
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assault.
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She describes him giving her Benadryl and a bunch of drinks.
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Fucking hell.
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And she was getting married to a guy and was apparently pretending to be saving herself
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for marriage and then cheated on him with Elijah Schafer, who was married and had kids.
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And I think was her boss.
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I'm not sure.
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Good stuff.
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Anyway, this all came out because Milo Yiannopoulos decided to leak a bunch of shit and destroy
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a bunch of people's lives.
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All of them deserve each other.
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All of them.
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I wish I could make a worse hell than the one they make for themselves because they
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deserve worse than it.
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And yet somehow they make themselves the worst.
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It's pretty crazy because not too long ago we heard Elijah on Alex's show and I thought,
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maybe this would be a fun weirdo to check out.
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And then this happens and I'm like, my man.
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Come on.
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Your career's done.
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Yep, that's the end of that.
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Oh well.
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Anyway, we'll check in on Alex on what he's doing on 311.
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The day he hates.
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Because of the band?
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Yeah, yeah, he hates 311.
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Well I mean, I didn't like their cover of Love Song.
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I'm just gonna be honest, I didn't like it.
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Wrong.
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I think the 311 is perfect.
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So that actually might be a Saturday.
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I think this is a Friday show.
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So there might not be a 311 show.
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But whatever.
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We'll check back in on 2006.
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Until then we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's KnowledgeFight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo yeah woo yeah woo.
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And now here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
