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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, I like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a
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little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for ya.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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Well, my bright spot today is that it's February so you go first.
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Ooh, oh no, uh oh, uh oh, the bit has begun again.
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Take that.
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My bright spot.
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That was a pump fake is what I did on the last episode.
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That was a pump fake.
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Uh, my bright spot, man, you caught me by surprise, I'm off balance.
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No, I'll tell you what, I don't have a bright spot today.
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Oh shit.
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I'll tell you what my bright spot was going to be though.
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Okay.
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If you recall, earlier on my previous bright spot, one of which was bear pants.
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Sweat pants that were fantastic.
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Oh yeah.
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Amazing sweat pants.
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Very warm.
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My bright spot was going to be that my wife heard us have this discussion and she found
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out you did not have a pair of sweat pants.
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Well, not the one that I had fallen in love with.
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Right.
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So immediately she was on the clickety clackety machine and she was like, oh, we're going
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to get him some of those pants.
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They were supposed to be here last week.
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Oh.
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They were supposed to be here earlier this week.
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Well shit.
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They were definitely supposed to be here by today.
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Uh, but they're sending another pair because they got lost or whatever.
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But also they don't check.
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They don't care.
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They just know that they're not here yet.
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So maybe you will have two pairs of sweat pants very shortly.
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Hell yeah.
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It is entirely possible.
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This is like when I ordered a mattress and I got two and then you got a mattress.
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Exactly and then I took one.
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Yep.
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Awesome.
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If we get multiples, that's going to be great.
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That's the way to do it.
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It's the fault that counts.
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And so this bright spot is still a little bright.
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Eventually it will be the sweat pants that counts.
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Well, I'd like to thank your wife in advance for whenever those come.
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Those are very thoughtful, very nice things.
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Supposed to be the bright spot.
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I would love to also make that my bright spot.
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But I...
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But you can't.
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No.
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No.
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What's going on?
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What do you have instead of a bright spot today?
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Well, because you gave a non-bright spot, I will also follow your lead.
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Ooh.
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Uh oh.
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Unprecedented.
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We were talking before the episode started about how I realized that I had never watched
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O.J. Simpson's prank show, Juiced, but I knew it existed.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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And so I watched it.
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Yeah.
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And it is peering into the dark soul of humanity.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So it's my anti-bright spot, I guess, is that I actually watched that thing and woof.
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Yeah, man.
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It is dark.
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When you think about staring into the abyss, you know, and they're like, oh worry about
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the abyss is going to stare back.
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You're like, that's fine.
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I would be cool with the abyss staring back.
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But then it's O.J. and you're like, that's, I guess I'm not cool with it.
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Man, it's just rough.
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Yeah.
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And it's on YouTube.
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And weirdly, the version on YouTube is full of tits.
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Yeah, well.
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Of course.
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It's on YouTube.
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And it's on YouTube.
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Why not?
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It's wild.
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What is it, the algorithm going to give it to kids?
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No.
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Hope not.
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Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode that we're going to go over.
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Alright.
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And it's going to be teased at the end of our last episode that Alex in the present
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day, no good.
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Nope.
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So I had you pick a random date.
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You did?
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And that was March 9th.
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And we're going to talk about March 9th, 2006.
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Ooh.
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Yeah.
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I'm excited.
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Iraq war time.
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Sure.
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I mean, there are better things to remember about 06, but that's fine.
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Yeah.
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It's Alex in a different spot in his career.
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Yes.
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And so we're going to take that in, absorb it, and see what we think.
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Ooh.
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So before we get to that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, my bright spot this week is that you were on The Pastimes with Dave and Gary.
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Dollheads and policy wonks unite.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, congratulations to Brian and his brother, Cankles, on breaking the curse.
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Roman chivalry choirs are singing about this victory.
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Thank you so much.
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Not chivalry cavalry.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And I ate a lot of acid and listened to Hocus Pocus by Focus once, and it was incredible.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to 4Don.
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Please enjoy your Alex Jones themed vocal stims from your loving wife, Hail Satan, and
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Merry Christmas.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, thank you very much.
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So I think, I think we're somewhat in agreement that what's happening in the present day on
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Alex's show does not really mean all that much.
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Right.
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It is a bunch of yelling and the points that he's making don't, a lot of them don't really
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deserve rebuttal or analysis.
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Yeah.
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Um, and so the past is very, very attractive.
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Um, and so that, uh, is my answer to this question.
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Dan, why are you doing what you're doing?
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I am doing it because you are insufferable in the present day.
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So I must go back 20 years.
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Now I just, I want you to be on the stage with a puppet and just recorded Alex.
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I want, you should be the greatest ventriloquist of our age.
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I will start working on throwing my voice and, uh, so, um, you chose, uh, after a couple
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of rejected dates, you chose March 9th and I chose 2006.
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Multiples of three.
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True.
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There we go.
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Three, six, nine.
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Yep.
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No.
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Three, nine, six.
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Yeah.
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That's good enough.
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Yeah.
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Um, it was one that we hadn't done and, uh, I thought this might be interesting territory
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and it turns out it is.
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Nice.
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So we start off and Alex is talking about how, uh, anybody, they can pass any federal
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law they want.
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Man, it's going to be a 20 year fucking, we're 20 years.
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It's going to be fucking wild.
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Everybody strap in.
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It's unfortunate when you go back to a random date and it's like, this is unfortunate.
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This is weirdly prescient.
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Anyway, he's saying, Hey globalists, let's see you enforce it.
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We'll also get in to what's happening with moves to impeach president Bush at the state
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level to get that ball rolling.
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And there's also state legislatures that are now moving to pass laws to not allow the federalization
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of the state driver's license for the national ID card.
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Oh, they can pass federal law saying we get national ID cards.
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They can pass federal law saying for psychological testing and drugging of the American people.
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But let's see them try to implement it at the state level.
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If we simply get involved, they don't have a snowball chance in Hades.
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So right off the bat, you can hear how important state sovereignty is to Alex at this point
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in his life where he holds the position that the federal government could pass any law
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it wants.
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But as long as he and his buddies don't give up, it's going to be impossible for the government
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to enforce anything on the state level.
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He's kind of right, but he's lying about it having anything to do with freedom or the
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constitution.
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The part he's right about is that as long as the extreme right wing will stay heavily
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armed and pissed off about everything, the federal government will not be able to do
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anything without risking violent reprisals.
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So he's kind of right.
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It does feel like we have reached the other side of will this happen and have gotten direct
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to a you better believe it.
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So I think he's into the federal government saying things now and mandating some things.
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Well, I mean, it was fairly easy, I'll say this, for the real ID thing to happen, right?
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Everybody was just really, really annoyed and then they got over it.
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And now we don't even talk about it.
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You have to have a passport to drive 50 miles.
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That's fine.
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And presumably Trump could overturn that.
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Obviously.
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Why not?
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He kidnapped a foreign leader.
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Ah, come on.
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Whatever.
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The foreign leader didn't have his ID with him.
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Oh, that could be it.
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That's what happened.
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Or he didn't have a chip in it.
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Didn't even know who it was.
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Didn't have a chip in it.
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Exactly.
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So it's a special day in March.
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When you're in the beginning of March, you're celebrating an anniversary.
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Yeah.
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Do you know what I'm talking about?
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No.
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Caesar?
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Nope.
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No.
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March 9th.
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Um.
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It's actually a couple days before March 9th.
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But it's fresh in the mind.
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March 10th.
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Nope.
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It's the fall of the Alamo.
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And Alex is thinking about this.
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What a fucking wild day.
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Yep.
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But before I do that, I want to read this article written a few days ago by Chuck Baldwin
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because the anniversary of the Alamo siege has come and passed.
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Come and gone.
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And it's just as important as Lexington or Concord or what happened at Bunker Hill or
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at Trenton, New Jersey.
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And so I want to just spend a few minutes and read this article before I get into all
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the world news and cover what's happening here domestically as well.
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This is by Chuck Baldwin.
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That's up on PrisonPlanet.com.
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Alamo heroes appear foolish today.
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It is that time of year for me to remind my readers about the magnificent stand by the
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defenders of the Alamo back in 1836.
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So Chuck Baldwin has written this article about the brave men who fought at the Alamo.
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Yes.
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Maybe the foolish men who fought at the Alamo.
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Maybe they look fucking foolish today.
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Maybe they do.
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They're idealistic.
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They believed in freedom.
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Well, well, I mean, that's, I mean, the essay is arguing.
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Yeah.
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It's an interesting choice to say they believed in freedom because it's a very specific type
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of freedom for themselves and not others.
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They believed it.
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That is true.
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Yeah.
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Um, the essay does not get into that.
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I imagine not, but it does have some pretty interesting ideas and complaints about, uh,
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PETA.
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Liberty is an easy word to say, but it is a hard word to live up to.
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Patriotism has little to do with financial gain or personal pleasure.
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Accompanying freedom is her constant and unattractive companion responsibility.
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Neither is she an only child.
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Patriotism and morality are her sisters.
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They are inseparable.
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Destroy one and all will die.
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Early in the siege, Travis wrote these words, the people of Texas, fellow citizens and compatriots.
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I am besieged by thousands of Mexicans under Santa Ana.
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The enemy has determined a surrender at discretion.
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Otherwise the garrison are to be put to the sword.
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I have answered the demand with a cannon shot and our flag still waves proudly from the
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walls.
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I shall never surrender or retreat victory or death.
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PS the Lord is on our side.
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As you read these words, remember that Travis and the others did not have the ACLU, PETA
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and people from the un-American way and the national education association telling them
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how intolerant and narrow minded their notions of honor and patriotism were.
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A hostile media did not constantly castigate them as a bunch of wild eyed extremists.
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As school children, they were not taught that their forefathers were nothing more than racist
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jerks.
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Because they were the racist jerks who would go on to have four children that would be
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taught about their racist jerkery.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was the idea.
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I bet their forefathers were racist jerks too.
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Well if you win, you're not a racist jerk.
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That's how it goes, right?
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Well they lost.
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Well that was their fault.
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Right.
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Santa Ana had too many men.
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And no one came to help old Willie Travis.
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I think it's cute to hear someone complaining about PETA.
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I just think that's low stakes.
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I just had a flashback where I was like, man, remember what the Dixie Chicks did and how
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mad people got?
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And then now, now we're alive.
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We just kept on going.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I'm not saying that it's a direct line in my memory from people being mad at the Dixie
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Chicks to January 6th, but it feels very prescient.
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Yeah.
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There were some diversions along the way.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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If you zoom out far enough, it's a straight line.
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Once you get mad at the Dixie Chicks, January 6th is going to happen.
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Yeah, so like Liberty's tough.
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Even for these brave men who didn't have the ACLU and the PETA yelling at them by the other
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racists and they beat dogs or something.
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Crazy.
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Oh man, you know what I loved about the Alamo story?
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No PETA.
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That was the main thing.
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Also no Greek food.
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So it all worked out all across the board.
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So Alex continues to read from Baldwin's essay.
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The brave men at the Alamo labored under the belief that America and Texas really was the
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land of the free and the home of the brave.
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They believed God was on their side and that the freedom of future generations depended
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on their courage and resolve.
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They further believed that posterity would remember their sacrifice as an act of love
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and devotion.
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It all looks pale now.
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By today's standards, the gallant men of the Alamo appear rather foolish.
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After all, they had no chance of winning.
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None.
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However, the call for a pragmatism and practicality was never sounded.
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Instead, they answered the clarion call, victory or death.
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And in closing, please try to remember the heroes of the Alamo as you listen to your
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gutless political and religious leaders calling for compromise and tolerance.
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Try to recall the time in this country when ordinary men and women had the courage of
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their convictions and were willing to sacrifice their lives for freedom and independence.
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Is that what they were doing?
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One thing is certain, those courageous champions did not die for a political party or for some
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lesser of two evils.
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So did the men at Lexington and Concord.
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This is our heritage, our birthright, my friends.
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And on second thought, don't they look foolish or do we look foolish?
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And I flummoxed that there at the end.
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On second thought, do they look foolish or do we?
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Not a newsreader, folks, like Peter Jennings.
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So when I have the derisive and disgusted tone about Alex in the present day resorting
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to lesser of two evils arguments in order to justify Trump's actions, that's why.
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It's hard not to think, maybe that guy wouldn't do that.
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It's easy to lose sight of this because he's entirely lost his shit.
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But in the past, Alex was a total blowhard about integrity and principle and all that
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shit.
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He loved it.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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I mean, now there needs to be some sort of time travel situation wherein we can see how
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so you know, like, like this is a and it's a wonderful life situation, right?
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We're all in the simulation of what would happen if Alex did whatever he did.
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You know, like that person in 2006 is the only person who's actually alive.
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We're all living the dream.
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And then in a little bit, whenever it goes real south, that person's going to wake up
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and go, I guess I'll have to change my life.
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That's what I think is happening, right?
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I hope not.
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But I will say, you know, it's not exactly the same thing.
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Yeah.
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But I wonder if Alex got a call from his future self later in this episode.
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There is a caller who sounds a little bit like he has a criticism of Alex that would
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come from his future self.
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Oh my God.
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Fantastic.
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But we'll get to that a little bit later.
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Fantastic.
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For now, Alex has to complain about how like, you can't be pushed around by the feds.
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No.
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I just want to set the stage with that and understand that when you have an attitude,
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you're willing to fight and die, you're not going to be pushed around or shoved around.
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You get left alone, you have liberty, and then you're able to produce plenty.
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And then you become happy.
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And then your children become decadent, their children become even more decadent, their
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children become cross and corrupt, evil, and then you get tyranny.
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And then you go right through the cycle again, if you're lucky.
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Normally the cycle isn't broken, and you just live in abject slavery and tyranny, and countries
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fail and they're not productive or powerful or well known.
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The real empires of the world were forged through a zenith, through a genesis, through
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a beginning of liberty, at least more liberty than their neighbors.
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It didn't matter what color they were, what culture they were, where there is liberty,
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there is freedom, there is happiness, there is productivity.
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This is all great stuff, but it's a lie.
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This is all built on a lie.
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The greatest myth that folks like Alex sold to their followers is that they just want
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to be left alone.
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And the reason that's been so damaging is it's totally understandable.
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A lot of people just want to live their lives in peace and sincerely don't care what other
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folks get into in their private lives, so when Alex dresses his beliefs up that way,
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it's really relatable.
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But Alex and his ilk don't want to be left alone, they want to impose a culture on all
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of us that makes them feel like they're being left alone.
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It bothers them if a teacher at their kid's school is gay, so they want to outlaw that.
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It bothers them to see mixed-race couples on TV, so they want a culture that doesn't
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include that.
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For most of us, when we hear the government should leave us alone, we can nod along thinking
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about weird taxes or how they shouldn't arrest you for weed, but that wasn't what Alex was
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ever talking about.
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No.
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And he got a lot of mileage out of people thinking that he was.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, we probably should have, we probably should have really put together
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the thoughts of like somebody who's like, we're really into the Alamo because we want
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to be left alone, and then think like maybe the Alamo wasn't about being left alone so
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much as being suddenly very alone in a land that's not yours that you now get to keep.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think that what it all comes down to is, you know, Alex is 20 years on, I think
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he's shown that don't let yourself get pushed around.
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There's something to it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's a bummer when you go back and you listen to him say things that sound like
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they're useful because in our world, right, and in the world of people listening to this,
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when they hear somebody say words, right, they associate that person with the meaning
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of those words, as opposed to somebody who is using those words like a whip or a tool
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to lie to you.
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Yeah.
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And so when you hear it from Alex, you go, those are the words that I think are true,
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right?
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But they're not coming from that person because they're not, that person stole words that
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were good and used them to hurt you.
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Yeah.
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A person who's operating from a place of like good faith and good intention could say the
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same thing and it be like, eh, all right.
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Yeah.
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I hear you.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, but Alex is lying.
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No, he's-
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And we know that from being 20 years in the future.
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Yeah, because now we're here.
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Yeah.
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This isn't sincere.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, 20 years on now, one of the things that I think that we're seeing is a great
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deal of centralization of power.
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You have Trump taking on-
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The end.
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Sure.
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That administration is, he seems to be, you know, pulling some strings.
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Pretty hard in charge, yeah.
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You'd be surprised to learn that this was bad-
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What?
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For Alex.
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When?
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His whole career.
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To throw off the left-right paradigm, to realize we're all in this together as humans,
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and to realize that any centralization of government, whether it's under some left hood
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or some right hood, that is whatever hat you put on it, it is still the same creature and
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centralization allows corrupt elites to dominate and control.
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The answer is decentralization.
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We must bind the lesser areas of human nature.
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We must restrict the dark impulses, and to deny them is to invite certain ruin.
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Didn't mean any of that shit.
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Nope.
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Not at all.
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Nope.
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Does he even know, you know, I wonder, does he even know what those words mean?
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You know, now that we live in the present, can we then go back and think, maybe he just
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genuinely didn't understand what words meant?
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No.
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I think that then there would be some absurdist sentences that had-
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That's fair.
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Eventually you'd get something that was like-
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An AI hallucination kind of thing.
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Yeah, you're right.
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You'd have an episode that was like Lynchian.
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And I don't think that's happened.
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I think it's intentional.
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That's fair.
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And I think that part of it is deeply rooted in, in 2006, Alex never thought that his side
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would ever have any power.
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They were destined to be the guys at the Alamo, and that's why he's behaving like this.
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If he ever thought that there was a chance that Ron Paul was going to win, he'd probably
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act like he does with Trump, with Ron.
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So you remember that guy, that Citizen Kane guy?
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That Orson Welles fella?
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Sure.
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I was going to say, actual Citizen Kane?
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Isn't that that guy who was the newspaper guy?
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Hearst?
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Hearst, yes.
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William Randolph.
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He'll probably get into newspapers a tiny bit.
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But Alex is talking about how there are some news pieces that he's seen about Iran having
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EMPs.
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Ooh, exciting.
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He takes issue with these news reports using footage from like Ocean's Eleven or Independence
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Day to illustrate big bombs going off and stuff.
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Oh boy.
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So he complains that this is just like War of the Worlds.
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This is just like Orson Welles, which was a psy-op.
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So what are the teachers doing?
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What are the brainwashers doing?
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What are the social engineers doing?
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All over television they say terrorists are going to attack you, they've got these weapons,
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and then they cut to space aliens blowing up US cities, flying saucers.
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And that is War of the Worlds.
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We know that was a psychological warfare test, Tavistock Institute, with Orson Welles carrying
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it out for HG Wells.
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I even got an interview on KTSA.
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Do you think they're related?
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Years after they staged their operation years later, giving an interview here in San Antonio,
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just south of me where I sit in Austin.
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And psychological warfare operation, government involved, to test it out.
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And they said aliens are attacking, they're killing us, and the people panicked and freaked
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out.
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They know it's these base fears.
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So Orson Welles was absolutely not doing the War of the Worlds radio play on behalf of
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HG Wells, who was trying to run a psy-op for the Tavistock Institute.
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It would be strange.
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Wells and Welles are very similar last names, so I can see where Alex is making that connection,
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but this is fucking dumb.
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CBS faced a number of lawsuits over the broadcast, some entirely frivolous, but at least one
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led to depositions that got it to the roots of how the show came to be.
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That case had to do with who had rights to the radio play, since it was derived from
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War of the Worlds, but it was a reimagining of the story as a telecast.
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Oh, okay.
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Probably unsurprisingly, Orson Welles' testimony wasn't about how the Tavistock Institute had
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enlisted him to freak everyone out.
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Yeah.
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Also, history has shown that that whole thing about people freaking out when Orson Welles
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did the show is a bit of a myth.
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There was not widespread hysteria, and almost no one listening actually thought aliens were
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invading.
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There weren't that many people listening total to begin with.
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What ended up happening is that a very small number of people called the police or the
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newspaper to make inquiries about the things that they were hearing on the radio.
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This thread was picked up by newspaper journalists, who went on to publish stories about how people
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were duped by the radio in the next day's paper, and from there the legend grew and
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fed upon itself.
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Right.
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Naturally.
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In hindsight, a much better explanation for what happened is that in 1938, radio was rising
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in prominence as a news and entertainment medium, and it was taking advertising money
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away from newspapers.
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More traditional media latched onto what was basically a non-story in order to attack a
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new emerging media platform, which was at that point far less centralized than print.
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Right.
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This is kind of just what happens with media when there's money involved.
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Radio was a threat to print, TV was a threat to radio, the internet was a threat to TV,
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and now we're living in a space where the internet's been rendered mostly bullshit by
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oligarchical interests like Elon and Amazon, and who knows where there's going to be ad
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revenue in the future.
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Now it's just a threat to all of us.
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Yeah.
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It used to be that they would fight amongst each other and we would be hurt by it.
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Now it's just them against us.
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Yeah.
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Until they can figure out how to beam ads into your brain.
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I'm excited.
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That'll be so much easier.
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You know when you have to press the skip button now, and it's like, ah, there's too many ads.
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I'll just leave it in my head, I'll go do something else and then I'll come back.
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It'll be great.
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So I think that, you know, it's fun to think about Orson Welles being so convincing that
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people actually thought aliens were invading.
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It is fun.
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And everyone was looting.
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It's a fun image and it's not real.
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And in retrospect it also reaffirms, you're like, oh, those people were cavemen kind of
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beliefs.
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Yeah, everyone's so stupid.
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Of course they would believe that.
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They don't know anything.
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They don't have TV.
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They're just now discovering that you can hear voices through the sky.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has this piece of propaganda that's going around.
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This video about Iran and then EMP is basically just War of the Worlds.
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It's basically War of the Worlds.
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And then, holy shit, Bush, he misspoke.
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Uh oh.
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And then now this, now this latest bit of propaganda.
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By the way, Bush called it the Liberty Tower.
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It's never been called the Liberty Tower.
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It's not named the Liberty Tower.
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No one's called it, but I guarantee you, Rov just said, listen, Liberty has a better effect
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in people's brains.
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You've heard his speech.
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He'll say Liberty 35 times, tyranny 20 something times.
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Liberty versus tyranny over and over again.
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They liked it.
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Liberty's being attacked.
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It's symbolic.
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It's subconscious.
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It doesn't matter if it's not named that.
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They're so dumb.
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Our people at Fox are ready with the images.
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You just call it Liberty Tower.
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That matter of it's called Library Tower.
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The news then began calling it Liberty Tower.
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Okay.
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The emperor renames the building.
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They didn't even question it.
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This building is Liberty Tower.
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Bush was kind of famous for fucking up words and speeches.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if this was a grand propaganda move that everybody had to workshop and Rov
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had to be behind.
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Nope.
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Alex is saying that Bush called Library Tower Liberty Tower and then everyone just fell
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in line and started calling it that, but that's not true.
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You can find tons of articles from the mainstream media about how he got the name of the building
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wrong in his State of the Union speech and the White House issued a correction almost
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immediately after he misspoke.
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It's interesting though because Alex is imagining a media that's in total lockstep with Bush
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where he misspeaks and then they report the thing he got wrong as if it were actually
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correct.
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Hmm.
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That wasn't true, but it's true of Alex and his crew now.
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Yeah.
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According to this, it kind of feels like Alex is saying that the media is acting this way
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because it's what he thinks his role is.
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The media exists to reinforce the message of the people in power and in 2006 he felt
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like he was nowhere near power and never would be.
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Whereas in 2026 that's changed.
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If Trump were to call Library Tower Liberty Tower, it would be Alex's job to convince
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people that was the right name, which is why he assumes that the mainstream media is doing
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that with Bush.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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If you stop thinking about him as reacting to reality whatsoever and instead think about
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him as being one part of the same reality, right?
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So instead of that whole concept of predictive programming or anything like that, Alex is
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telling you what the enemy is doing because that's what those people are supposed to be
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doing.
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So if Alex is in that position, he's going to do what they're doing.
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Yeah.
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That's what you're supposed to be doing.
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He literally said, that's what I would do if I were in their position.
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But it is like, well, you're not thinking of it as a literal like, oh no, he thinks
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that's what you're supposed to do in that position.
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So it's insane.
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He's not predicting anything.
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He's just revealing how he would have done it the whole time.
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And then imagining other people are doing that and criticizing them for it.
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And because of him normalizing that insanity, it allows you to actually do it.
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Wild.
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It's been a weird 20 years.
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It's been a weird 20 years, but guess what?
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What some stuff can never change.
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Ever changes.
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Some stuff's the same.
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Oh, don't worry.
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This show is documented.
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Alex Jones on the GCN radio network.
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I've got a report right here.
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They still do some good.
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And I have linked through to the proposed rule changes in California and confirm that
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it is accurate.
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Mom, dad to be axed from school textbooks.
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And there's a move to not allow the name a mother or father, mom, dad in textbooks.
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They're saying it's hateful and very abusive.
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Makes people feel bad.
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You see, it isn't just that people quote, want equity.
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They want to destroy the existing forms.
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They want to force us to live the way they do.
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That's the big rub.
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That's the problem.
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Hard to believe it's been 20 years of attacking mother and father.
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Man, man, still haven't gotten rid of it.
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People still use those terms all the time.
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Yeah, really seems like we're about at the same place.
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There are some things that do require like a tap, please tap the glass kind of thing.
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You know where it's like, Hey buddy, the next time you say first amendment, I'm going to
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have to tap the glass.
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Yeah.
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I was thinking about it and this is such a great position to have when you don't intend
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to do anything about it.
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If you're just talking shit and trying to rile people up, then something like a school
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district deciding to change the terms mother and father on forms to just parent is awesome.
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It's in a state you don't live in.
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You have no children who go to these schools and it doesn't affect you at all, but you
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can print money complaining about this shit.
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Once you have any real power, you have to either ignore this issue altogether or advocate
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for the state or federal government to stop local governments and school districts from
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making their own policies.
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Some cities and states might decide that updating these forms is appropriate or even necessary
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and you need to deprive them of the ability to do that in the name of upholding your version
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of the natural order.
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And that's a consequence of you having power that you never really wanted to begin with.
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Yeah.
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Something that I think is really wild is how much more Alex cares about this than any gay
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couple that I've ever known or heard of.
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I think that most LGBTQ folk are in favor of having things that make the world more
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welcoming and less stigmatizing to everyone.
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But I don't know if there's anyone on the other side of this issue that's been so passionate
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for 20 fucking years.
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I mean, I've seen people be passionate from time to time and even people who agree with
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them go like, listen, it's okay.
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Listen.
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Hey, hey, it's okay.
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It's okay.
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Fine.
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We'll get, we'll get rid of it.
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Nobody cares enough to fight back against you.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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The sign that you're tapping is it says you are right, man.
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Fine.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, we want to get rid of mother and father.
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They're all, they're just sounds, man.
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They're just sounds, whatever you want.
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It's it's, it's unhealthy.
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Yeah, probably not good.
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So anyway, Alex, he likes to go to cool man places to get his hair cut, but sometimes
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he can't.
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So he has to go to trendy hair salons.
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No!
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No!
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And they have unisex bathrooms and that doesn't, he's very uncomfortable.
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It's the same thing.
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And it will also make the children have unisex toilets, which are very destructive, very
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bad.
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I mean, I have run in, in trendy restaurants and I've even been having my hair cut at one
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of these fancy salons before because my regular place was busy and the little corner place
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I go to where an old man cuts your hair in five minutes for $5.
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And you know, you try to go to the bathroom and it's unisex and you're in there and there's
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women in the bathroom.
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Hey man, I don't want to be around women in the bathroom.
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And it's not because I'm old fashioned or weird.
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That's how humans operate and how humans behave.
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Women don't want to be in the bathroom with a man.
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And then all over the country they're putting cameras in the bathrooms under federal grants.
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I just thought I'd mention this.
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Another reason to get your children out of public schools.
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These rule changes are going through.
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I don't know if I believe he went to a fancy salon.
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I don't think this happened.
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I actually, I agree with you.
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He's heard about a unisex bathroom in a fancy salon.
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He imagines that's where one would be.
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I do not believe that he himself has gone to one of these fancy salons and been like,
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can I use your bathroom?
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There are women hair!
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Plot twist.
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I also don't think he goes to a barber shop where they cut your hair for $5.
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I think he's somewhere in the middle.
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I would say so.
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I mean, he's not going super cuts.
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He's not doing a mall haircut.
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I wouldn't be that surprised.
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Ah, well, I mean, 06?
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I saw his hair.
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Yeah.
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He could be doing a mall haircut.
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Yeah.
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He could be doing just a bowl.
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Yeah, his wife could be doing it.
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Bowl over his head and chop, yeah, you're right.
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I don't know.
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I don't believe he's that salt of the earth and folksy.
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And I also don't think that he's like, oh, I need a haircut so bad.
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I got to go to the trendy salon.
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I don't know if I've ever seen anyone be in that level of haircut emergency.
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I don't know how it's possible for you not to be like, oh, okay, cool.
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Do you have anything available tomorrow?
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I have myself.
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Right before we went and did those shows in Portland.
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Yes.
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I had a day to get a haircut, but I just went to the same place and the guy who I usually
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go to was booked.
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Yeah.
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So then you just got a different person.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Didn't go to a trendy salon.
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No.
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They don't even have a bathroom.
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I grew up in a place that had a old man who cut your hair for $5.
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Sure.
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And I, it was fine.
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I imagine that he probably went out of business.
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It's not a great business strategy, but it is a cool way to hang out with people regularly.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So this real ID is coming in.
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Yeah.
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And when it does, you are going to get sent to a fucking holding cell at the mall and
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they're going to ship you off to Alaska.
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Yeah.
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We read the executive order then.
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You know what it said?
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You know what it said then?
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Bill Clinton's executive order.
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It said that they're going to take blood and DNA to get a driver's license in the next
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phase.
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And this was for years down the road.
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And they said that if you haven't paid all your tickets or have warrants or whatever,
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or you haven't, you've got tax problems, they're going to arrest you for taxes there.
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I mean, it's all in there.
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It's a hellish system.
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That's why they're going to have you retina scan and thumb scan when you get your kids
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from school.
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That'll flag it the minute you've got a warrant, boom, the cops will arrest you there at the
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school.
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They're going to build holding cells in the malls, the schools.
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There'll be little prisons everywhere just to grab you and throw you in.
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Little prisons.
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You'll be thrown on a truck, taken to the airport, flown to a distribution center in
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Oklahoma City or in Denver, and flown to camps in Alaska or South Texas or overseas or Gitmo.
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This is official.
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Do you understand?
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You understand?
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I mean, just, this is the new America.
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All of that stuff happened.
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Yeah.
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So, Bill Clinton didn't sign an executive order that required taking blood for a driver's
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license or whatever insane shit Alex is ranting about.
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What actually happened is that in 1996, Clinton suggested that teens should have to pass a
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drug test as part of the process of getting a driver's license, and he passed the idea
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off to his cabinet to research.
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This was stupid and part of the war on drugs hysteria, but it also never got implemented
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because groups like the ACLU that are in league with PETA.
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Evil.
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They made it very clear that they would fight against this aggressively in court.
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The Clinton administration found it to be an unviable option, so instead of focusing
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on that, they went on to other things like tying federal funds to zero tolerance policies
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for underage drinking.
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It's really great that Alex was the watchman on the wall for us, so he didn't end up in
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a situation where the federal government is just snatching people up and sending them
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off to God knows where.
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He really saved us from a dark timeline where technicalities are getting people swept up
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and booted to camps and stuff.
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You know what's ironic about it, right, is that the real ID, when we didn't have one,
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when we were trying to travel at the TSA, they didn't go like, ah, you don't got one,
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we'll take you and throw you into a small prison and then mail you to Alaska.
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They handed us a little thing that said like, next time be sure to have a real ID, and then
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we just went on.
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And then they had to reopen the mall to have a holding cell in it.
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Alex's prediction about the viability of malls was off.
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Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
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The why is different.
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The what is not as different as I would like, but the why is different.
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The why is very different.
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Yeah, a lot of the details.
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So Alex mentioned that you're going to get sent off to camps like in Alaska, and that
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reminds him that he's got some news about Alaska.
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Oh, thought I'd cover that as well for their surveillance.
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The Homeland Security in one-horse towns where there's, if you're lucky, one little old gas
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station where they might have cigarettes and three brands of soda pop.
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I mean, I've gone to these towns where there's nothing, nothing but one gas pump, and you
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go in there and there's cameras all over the town, Homeland Security.
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Got one here today.
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Alaska Hamlet gets 80 surveillance cameras from DHS, Department of Homeland Security,
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which now has a faith-based initiative.
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And it's cameras through the faith-based initiative.
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This is out from about.com.
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And it says it's worthy of a Golden Fleece Award.
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Dillingham, Alaska, population 2,400, is installing 80.
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I've been in towns where it says the population's 250, and there's at least 10 cameras you can
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see.
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I mean, in neighborhoods.
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Dillingham, Alaska, population 2,400, is installing 80 surveillance cameras around town courtesy
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of a $202,000 Department of Homeland Security grant.
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I remember it says the town is so small it has no street lights.
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And it just goes on and on.
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This is the point where Alex gives up on reading the news, and the rest of the coverage of
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this story is just his feelings.
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That's right.
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The issue here is that the Department of Homeland Security wasn't installing these cameras in
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Dillingham, Alaska.
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The local city council voted to install them, and did so with grant money offered by the
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DHS.
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Just offered, not like forced on them.
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They didn't get money shoved down their throats unless they spent it.
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No.
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And there wasn't like a church angle to it either, that seems to be implying.
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It's obviously unnecessary, but if you're trying to critique this story with an anti-DHS
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angle, the problem is that they offered the grant to begin with.
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Not the excessive number of cameras that the city council decided to put up.
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I read a bunch of shit about this, and it seems like they were just like, we've had
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a couple people drown in the port, and so we wanted to put a bunch of cameras around
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so we could save people if they're drowning.
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I don't know if that's true, but that's definitely what they were saying.
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To me, I hear, oh, this is a small town trying to make 80 cameras, that's a violation.
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But I'm hearing like, oh, they're only putting 20 cameras up, buddy.
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Sure.
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There's a little bit of port.
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The top is, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and I think one of the other things about this town was that they had had, because
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it's a port town, and there's people coming in on ships and going, there was someone who
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died from falling off a boat, and they didn't know if someone had killed him or not.
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Right.
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And so there was-
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Ooh, that's tough.
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Right.
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That's tough.
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And so we had this memory of like, well, we could have proved that one if we had cameras
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up.
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Yup, that one feels like it's on us.
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It's not a good excuse to put up 80 cameras, but it's not as simple as Alex is saying either.
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It is always fun whenever you hear about justice in a place where it's like, we don't get light
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here, we don't have the sun, so stuff happens at night and we'll never know.
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We'll just never know.
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And we're in a port in Alaska.
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People could just go to the water.
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Yeah, they could just, it's right there.
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And then we can't find them.
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It's like a pool, but where it's invisible.
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And it's an international pool at a certain point.
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Also, you can find hundreds of articles discussing this plan to install the 80 cameras in Dillingham,
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but you won't find many large outlets discussing the fallout of the city council decision.
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Chris Napoli, who'd been the mayor since 1997, got so frustrated with the pushback that people
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had about the cameras that he stormed out of a council meeting and resigned.
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God damn yes.
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This is bullshit.
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This is what, we need to have this enforced.
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If you're one of these media outlets doing your complaining article, you have to follow
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it, follow up.
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You have to.
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It is a law.
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You cannot do this bullshit and not follow up.
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I was infuriated.
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Yeah, that's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Because it's a cheap, easy story that you just see, oh, this is reported on something
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I'm going to repost it on the wire or whatever.
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It's more interesting.
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What the fuck happened?
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Absolutely.
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Did this town turn into a camp?
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No, obviously not.
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What happened?
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Every time, every time there's some like, oh, can you believe this stupid group of people
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did this?
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If you follow through with the story, it's like one, they're making reasonable decisions
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based upon their own specific context or absolutely everything's about to go apeshit crazy and
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you're not even at the interesting part.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And oftentimes the apeshit crazy is like, aha, someone is pulling a scam here and it's
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not- Oh, somebody stole $2 million.
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That's what happened.
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It's not that the DHS is trying to religiously set up a spy camp in Dellingham, Alaska.
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It's that someone wanted to siphon some money off the top.
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This is the most American thing ever.
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If it sounds like somebody is doing something stupid or crazy, double check to see if they've
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stolen $2 million.
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Allegedly.
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I don't want to say anything about other people.
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No, no, no.
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Hey, who knows?
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So Alex, he's thinking about roads.
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Sure.
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And he's just fucking mad that they're putting these, they're going to charge you for how
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much you drive, right?
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That yeah.
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I mean, technically gas already charges you for how much you drive.
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Right.
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But they're going to put trackers in your car and then they're going to tax you by the
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mile, of course.
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Because they have to.
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He's so fucking mad about this that he's like, you know what you need to do?
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You need to find these people that I hate and stock them.
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No!
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What?
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Just enjoy yourselves.
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It's going to go in the trucks first.
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It's going to go in the taxi cabs first.
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But according to the law, they almost passed it being all our inspection stickers right
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now.
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So they're just phasing it in on select groups and being the cops badges and the cop cars.
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Well, I'm getting tracked.
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Why aren't you?
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We're all in this same pit together.
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And so just when you're getting charged that much, just remember I told you, remember you
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could have gotten involved and gone to the city council or sued somebody or gone down
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to the county commissioners or gone and followed board members of these different tolling groups
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around and caught them.
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I don't care if you go catch them, catch them cheating on their wife.
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I mean, let's play hardball with these people.
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Just burn them.
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This is war, folks.
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Just burn these people.
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Burn them.
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Don't do anything illegal.
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They're all a bunch of crooks, so they're going to be involved in crooked activity.
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Go hire a PI to follow them around.
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They'll find all kinds of them.
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They'll come back 100% of the time and go, you can't believe what I just caught on tape.
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You'll see them getting bags of cash in parking lots.
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You'll see them dressed up like transvestites.
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You'll see them going to whore houses.
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You'll see them buying crack cocaine.
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Then just start playing hardball with these crooks.
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Stop playing games with them.
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Scumbag trash.
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This makes me so angry.
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I'm sorry, just crooks taking over and raping us makes me mad.
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That anger is so fake.
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So what?
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I thought it was real.
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What?
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I'm so mad.
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I'm so mad.
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Stalk these people.
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Follow them around and catch them cheating.
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Don't do anything illegal.
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Don't do anything illegal.
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First off, the verb word, the active word in that sentence, I believe is illegal.
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You've already broken one pretty solid rule that you established later on.
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Second, I really don't know how many different ways there are to find somebody cheating on
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their wife and get video of it that are not technically illegal in some form or fashion, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think that if you're saying, hey, show up at city council meetings, you're good.
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It's an agreed upon place for this discussion.
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If you're saying follow people around.
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Nope.
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Not good.
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I think you're in dicey territory.
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Spy on them.
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Furthermore, if every politician were they followed by a PI of some sort, would be discovered
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to be in illicit criminal activity.
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So would Alex.
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Well, there's definitely that.
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But also, why aren't PIs like our superhero legends?
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Why aren't they just taking down politicians left and right?
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Is it because they're in on it?
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Yeah, probably.
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Are all PIs getting paid several million dollars?
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I think so.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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They're the real elites.
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Because they know how to snap pictures.
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Yeah.
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I mean, wouldn't you just, I'm not saying that this is what you should do if you're
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a PI, but I feel like if this was available, you just got to blackmail like 40 or 50 politicians
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and you're all set.
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I think you only need like five or six.
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Depends on the size of the town.
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I think more importantly, Alex has had a little bit of a shaky history after this point with
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his fans stalking people.
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Either is that.
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It sounds bad in hindsight.
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It does sound bad.
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It does sound like considering the number of people who are fans of Alex Jones, or at
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least have memorabilia and the like, suggesting they are fans.
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A lot of them have been in crime situations wherein they followed somebody illegally.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And this is exactly what he wants people to do.
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It seems like he told them to do it.
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Yeah.
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Pretty passionately and fake angrily.
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He's so mad.
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So that anger continues as he talks about how these fucking people in Texas do not want
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toll roads.
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No, they don't.
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And it makes him so mad.
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It's toll roads.
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98%, 97%, 93% never calls in Texas don't want toll roads, don't want the transponders.
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They just say, doesn't matter what you want.
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Foreign companies bought off politicians.
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We're going to do it.
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We've got a whole bunch of men that wear black uniforms, military train that got machine
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guns called the police department.
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And if you don't like it, you come out and complain and protest, they'll come break your
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skulls in and take you to prison.
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We own those too.
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We'll make some money off that.
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Had you building widgets in there.
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So you keep your mouth shut scum and you take it.
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You learn how to be a slave.
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Now get on there and shut up.
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Sure.
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Wait till they get your guns.
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You just wait.
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The real battle start then.
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We're the new world order.
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We've killed hundreds of millions last century and that was just a warm up.
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You scum.
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Now that's their real attitude towards you.
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Oh, you should know that that's, I mean, in fact, that doesn't even begin to, to, to scratch
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the surface, the veneer of how evil they are.
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That doesn't even pierce into the wickedness, but that's their attitude.
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Just you're my slave or here to be fat on.
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Shut up.
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You idiots.
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That's their attitude.
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Remember that.
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Remember, that's what the new world order is doing.
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Now we're carrying the new citizen rule books for a dollar a piece and you can get 10 packs,
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20 packs, a hundred packs of them.
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That's what that anger was there to sell, baby.
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That character that Alex is doing isn't a depiction of some real enemy that desperately
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wants to fuck him over by having someone pay for roads.
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That's the way he wants to treat people who disagree with him.
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That's what he's channeling and venting.
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Yep.
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The citizen rule book is a little pamphlet that advocates for jury nullification.
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Basically it's a rant about how every juror is more powerful than all of the government
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because they can just say not guilty, even if someone is clearly guilty of a crime, but
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the juror disagrees with the law.
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Sure.
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It's a longer version of just saying, I know bombing an abortion clinic is technically
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illegal, but I think God wants me to do it.
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That's the, that's what Alex is selling.
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It does feel very similar to that.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of quotes in it too.
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Yeah, I believe that.
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I appreciate when the stakes were this low.
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I loved a good, Oh man, they're going to roll a toll road?
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$4 for several hundred miles of driving?
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Unacceptable.
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Unacceptable.
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Toll roads suck and it's, you know, it's a bummer.
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Roads have to be kept up.
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I mean, yeah, they're, it's gonna, we have to keep up these roads somehow.
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We understand the concept that we need these roads and yet somehow we all agree that paying
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for them is terrible.
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Yeah.
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I just, I just can't imagine this being like, Oh, toll roads.
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And also in case you were wondering, George Bush kidnapped the president of Columbia or
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something like that.
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Whatever.
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Toll roads.
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H W.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Ice is out there on the streets.
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Okay.
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Toll roads.
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Toll roads.
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Huh?
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So, um, I mentioned earlier that I believe that it's possible that a time rift occurs
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on this episode and future Alex calls into scold past Alex.
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And that's not because of the similarity of voices or anything.
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But this caller has a very interesting criticism.
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I'm told I skip ahead to him because I'm told Larry disagrees with me.
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Larry, go ahead.
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How you going Alex?
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Good.
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Go ahead, sir.
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All right.
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Well, just to let you know, I'm not a, I'm not a neocon, but I do disagree with some
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of the things that you've been saying about last week or so as far as the Muslims.
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It seems like you're giving them a free pass on all of this and making them out to be victims.
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And you've also stated that, um, Christians and Jews get along fine in their country.
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And I have to disagree with that.
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I listed specific countries, sir.
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And uh, I mean the idea that the Muslims will kill any Jews or any Christians is false.
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Are there radical sex, uh, that would try to do that?
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Yes.
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They're going to fund and finance that in World War II to try to beef those groups up.
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That's publicly available even in the Washington Post amidst that.
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And uh, and the claim that they're going to kill all of us is as fake as claiming they've
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got EMP bombs and flying saucers.
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That sure is different.
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Yeah.
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Since we know that God is working through Alex and telling him what time it is at night,
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the only explanation I can come up with that makes sense here is that God was chiller about
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Islam in 2006.
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Way chiller.
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That wasn't even a problem for a while.
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Apparently not.
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Apparently not.
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This caller is being like, hey man, you're being too soft on the Muslims.
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I think, I think there should be, okay, so you know how there's a continuity supervisor
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on a movie where they're like, ah, that glass of whiskey was too full or whatever, you know,
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you know what I'm saying?
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Or you were wearing a different shirt, something like that.
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We need a continuity enforcer.
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For all media, there needs to be somebody there to enforce what you said a few months
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ago.
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I don't actually think that cause people can change their minds.
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Sure they can change their minds, but that also becomes a demarcation point where you
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then have to be responsible to that at that moment moving forward.
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You know what I'm saying?
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True.
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True.
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It's hard to explain literally everything.
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The problem that I have and where I'm going to agree with you is if you believe you're
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on a mission from God, then you need continuity.
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You need continuity.
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Yeah.
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God needs continuity.
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It's a low bar to demand.
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If God is 100% super cool with everything that Alex has been doing, then we're now in
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like trickster God territory.
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Like we're in low key territory.
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And if that's the case, none of us had a chance.
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No.
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That dude's a fucking liar.
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So this caller has scolded Alex about being too nice to Muslims.
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And so he decides to explain that Islamophobia is bullshit.
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Great.
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I don't even know what to say to this anymore.
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You know, this whole religious belief and this whole fake hoax subculture that's got
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the Muslims creeping around everywhere wanting to kill us in most Muslim countries.
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I had Darjum all on.
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He's a Lebanese Christian.
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He's an American multigenerational Texan, but he's a Lebanese Christian.
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And I know a lot of Lebanese who are Christians.
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I know a lot of Egyptians that are Christians.
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I had a friend growing up who was Egyptian, who was an Egyptian Christian.
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And I've had Shiite Muslim friends who were from Iraq who I went to high school and college
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with.
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Really nice people.
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People I lived to wait with.
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And they weren't foaming at the mount.
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They had Christian friends go to their house for dinner.
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They'd have Christians over.
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It is not true.
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Okay?
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I mean, have there been Christian countries who use it as a political excuse to go kill
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their neighbors?
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Yes.
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Is it the minority of Christians?
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Yes.
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Is it you?
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Yes.
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To be clear, Alex now says that Islam is incompatible with the West.
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This is quite a shift.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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With no known demarcation point or change, just however the wind blows, maybe just being
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in Texas for long enough will get you there.
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Well, I think it's that at the time, Alex didn't really care.
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It was just like, hey, let's not do this Islamophobia stuff because it could blow back on us extremist
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fundamentalist Christians.
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I will say whatever is tactically and strategically appropriate at any given point in time, regardless
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of whether or not it contradicts what I just said two seconds ago.
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Yeah.
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And I think that one of the things that makes it worse with that is that you now...
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He has expressed tolerance.
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He has expressed an understanding that cultures get along.
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People of different backgrounds can break bread together.
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There's some assholes everywhere.
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Yeah.
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I think that a lot of hatred and bigotry, it makes more sense if someone just doesn't
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know.
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Right.
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If they're just like, I've never met a Muslim.
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Sure.
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Or whatever.
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It's easier to be lied to about the unknown as opposed to something that you're physically
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aware of and tactically...
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Yeah.
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So for Alex to retreat to a bigot position from a place of understanding, it's more intentional.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So Alex has a doctor on, I think Dr. Breeding is his name.
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And I looked him up and he looks silly.
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I believe that.
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He doesn't believe that mental health is real.
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Probably not.
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And mental illness is all fake.
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That sounds true.
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And I don't care.
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So he's sitting silently while Alex has some other guests on.
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Dr. Breeding.
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Yes.
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So you skip past his main interview because it's basically just like, it's all fake.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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What else is he going to say?
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Yeah.
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And meanwhile, he seems insane.
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But Alex has some other guys on.
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A couple of dudes who are trying to impeach Bush.
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Ooh, I like it.
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We are joined by Dan DeWalt and David Swanson.
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And of course, we have after downandstreet.org, one of their folks on with us, and Vermont
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selectman Dan DeWalt to discuss recent developments in campaigns to impeach Bush and remove his
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cronies from office.
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And don't think this can happen.
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And I know Bush is just a puppet of these global interests, but still, we need to impeach
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him to punish him to let everybody know and other presidents know he is not the law.
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He is not dictator, regardless of what his White House says or what he says.
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And for those that don't know, he's really declaring that he is a dictator.
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One of the guests Alex has on is a guy named Dan DeWalt, who had gotten some media attention
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because he was a selectman in a town called Newfane, Vermont, population 1,680, who had
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put it to a vote at a town hall meeting whether or not Bush should be impeached.
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The motion passed 121 to 29, and it meant nothing.
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The town selectman of a tiny town in Vermont does not have the power to impeach the president,
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and Alex should know that if he's such a fan of the Constitution that he's always talking
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about.
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It's great for DeWalt to do this kind of thing, and there's a symbolic meaning to it, and
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I'm not going to shit on that.
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Pretending this is any different or more official than someone carrying around a petition is
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ridiculous.
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And Alex is trying to pretend that they're like, ooh, this is going to get him.
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I like the idea that one of those old anachronistic laws, like you can't have your donkey out
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before two on Friday, one of those kinds of things, could also include, and actually this
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guy can impeach the president.
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I don't know.
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We wrote it wrong.
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It was 1794, and somebody just got a bug up their ass in Vermont.
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Yeah, this guy in Vermont can make a new crosswalk and impeach the president.
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And impeach the president.
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Wild.
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There's a lot of things he's imbued with the power to do, and marriages.
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So this other guy, David Swanson, is an anti-war activist who Alex would absolutely hate now.
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He recently wrote a piece for his website called, quote, Ice is at War with the United
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States, and he is aggressively anti-Trump.
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I don't think I agree with him about everything, but Alex would want to fight Swanson now.
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And the reality is that Alex would have wanted to fight him back then, too.
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It was just advantageous for him to play nice and pretend they had common ground, hoping
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to lure in some of his audience.
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In 2002, Swanson wrote his vision for a positive 2050, and it included the following things
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that Alex hates, even in 2006.
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Quote, a ban on discrimination due to sex, sexual preference, or perceived cultural background.
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A ban on union busting and on right-to-work laws.
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Increased taxation of corporations and the super wealthy.
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Sent in central cities.
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Universal public health care.
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Universal public child care.
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Universal transportation provision.
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Guaranteed basic income.
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Institution of the separation of church and state.
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Increased aid abroad.
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Amnesty for immigrants.
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A ban on private gun ownership.
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A ban on hunting and fishing.
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And the list goes on, with all the things Alex would hate.
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Good luck, buddy.
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And to be fair, Swanson isn't just like some left-wing dude.
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He wrote an article arguing for Biden's impeachment a couple months after he was sworn in, and
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it starts like this.
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Quote, since the presidency of Richard Nixon that I was born during, and since long before
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that, there's not been a president who, in my view, should not have been impeached, removed,
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and banned from holding office.
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Fair.
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There also has not been an impeachment I supported up until the very most recent one.
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So I'm excessively pro-impeachment or overly selective, depending on your perspective.
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Fair point.
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He defends himself against people who'd say it's too soon to impeach Biden by arguing
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that Congress should impeach the most recently available person they can.
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So my point is, this dude is not a lesser of two evils guy.
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No, it doesn't seem like it.
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He loves the idea of impeaching.
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It does feel like he's, yeah, I mean, I think I'm the only other person I know who said
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we should probably just get him off.
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I think that other people have said it for sure, but not a lot of the folks that we run
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into.
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I think, you know, without being an expert on this and not knowing him too much, it seems
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like he really is anti-war.
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Like he seems aggressively so, to the point where I did watch a video where he was arguing
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like against thinking that World War II was something that was good for us to do.
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Right, right, right.
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But not from the perspective of like endorsing the Nazis.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Like, hey, the war when it started wasn't inevitable.
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There were things we could have done before that that we should have done.
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Sure.
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Anyway, I think he just hates war.
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Yeah, I mean, if you really establish an I actually am against all wars position, what
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flows from that politically you'll find goes in a lot of weird places.
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It's true.
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And Alex doesn't have the stomach for it.
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No.
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So Alex, he's talking to them about why Bush should be impeached.
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And I think it's interesting.
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I think one of the reasons should be not just lying premeditated about WMDs, which we now
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even have the White House memos on, which even more damning the Downing Street memos,
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in my opinion, is his counsels, his lawyers, saying he's above the law and him concurring.
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He needs to be removed right now.
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Yeah, it's way more than lying.
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You could even love the war in Iraq and still want to impeach Bush.
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We're bound.
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When the United States signs a treaty, we're bound by that treaty as the supreme law, the
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land, and we've broken the treaties on treatment of civilians and prisoners of war, torture.
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And the FISA act very specifically stated the president cannot go beyond the bounds
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of the FISA act.
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He has five years in prison for every person in the FISA act.
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He's admitted that he's in prison.
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So you've got breaking national law, breaking supreme law by virtue of breaking your treaties.
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You don't even have to think about the others.
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That's enough to impeach right there.
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Well, I agree with you.
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Alex should not agree with this guy that the president is bound by international laws like
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treaties.
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Yeah.
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There may be a utility and not going back on agreements we've made, but he just agreed
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with someone who said that there's a supreme law that functions internationally and isn't
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from God.
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It's interesting how Alex is saying that Bush should be impeached because he thinks that
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he's above the law, but what he really means is that Bush should be impeached because Alex
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doesn't agree that he's above the law.
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Time has clearly shown us that he does not have a problem with presidents thinking they're
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above the law when he likes how they violate the law.
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That's the real issue.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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It is hard not to, it's hard not to go like, Hey, if we had stepped up, once you find out
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a president lied you into war and we'd been like, Nope, can't do that.
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Well then we're definitely not here.
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We're definitely not here.
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This is, we get to hear several steps after you let the president lie you into a war.
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That's how bad it gets after you let the president do that.
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And ironically, Alex is going to argue exactly that in a couple of clips.
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Great.
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But first he, he makes the point that cities need to impeach Bush because Congress is afraid
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of him.
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Fair enough.
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We need to get every city out there to move for impeachment.
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Congress is afraid of everything.
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This is a group openly trying to set up a dictatorship and Congress is scared of him.
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That's the biggest reason you're not seeing more resistance.
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That's why 95 members of the Senate voted for the Patriot Act expansion this week.
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Now Bush is going to sign it this week or next week is because people are scared.
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I mean, this isn't a joke.
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Bush is openly building concentration camps.
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So what if a bunch of democratic cities just decided to impeach Trump?
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Do you think Alex would be like, yeah, they're probably doing that because Congress is afraid
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of him?
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Probably.
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I bet he would respond to that favorably, especially if somebody brought up that it
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was his idea.
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It's not even hypocrisy.
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It's just nuts.
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It's nuts.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Hypocrisy doesn't exist.
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We're well past hypocrisy into the absurd territory of fucking saying a person's name
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backwards to get them to disappear into a different dimension.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I've never been good at pronouncing things, especially backwards.
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Especially backwards.
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So Alex warns that government, they're going to just like start arresting protesters and
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stuff.
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They're going to get out of control.
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I mean, they're going to start to be absolutely determined to do what they think they want
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to do.
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And I think whatever it takes is they can do without a dictatorship.
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That'll be good.
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If it takes more, I don't, I don't think Republican Senate chairmans of committees saying war
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protesters are fifth columnists and need to be arrested and all their mouthpieces are
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on the radio and TV saying it and fire teachers that criticize no free speech.
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I mean that's dictatorship when they claim they're above the courts and above the Congress.
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Well, the new Patriot Act has, it has a whole new classification.
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I think they call them harassers or something.
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It has a national police force, unlimited jurisdiction for secret service or their designates
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and no protected official need be around for them to instantly declare that you were in
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violation of the safe zone and you get a year and a half in prison starting.
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Yeah.
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That's no joke and it's today.
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And Democrats, of course, overwhelmingly help pass that.
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That's why we need to take upon ourselves as citizens to deal with this.
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We need to put so much pressure on even the Democrats.
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So Democrats obviously deserve criticism and it's not wrong for these guests to voice those
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criticisms.
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Sure.
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But in hindsight, it's very easy to see the way that Alex is using them.
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Oh yeah.
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This horrifying fantasy that Alex has about the national police force who can declare
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magical safe zones where they can just do whatever they want to protesters is exactly
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what he supports now.
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You cannot have the positions he's pretending to have in 2006 and then support ICE doing
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whatever they want just because they say that the people they fuck up are impeding them.
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The only way this is possible is either to accept that the 2006 position was a lie or
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for Alex to explain why he gave up on Liberty.
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That's it.
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I don't see a third option.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it is leading me to develop my he who smelt it, dealt it theory of Alex Jones.
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Insofar as if he's smelling fascism, he's going to be dealing fascism.
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So that's where I've stopped so far.
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That's the end of the theory.
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It's an interesting theory.
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I think we've tested it.
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So both of these guys, Dan, David, the two guys who are anti-war guys.
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One impeachment advocate from Vermont.
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All the way.
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The other an anti-war guy.
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Yeah.
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They're trying to have a little bit of a discussion about the dehumanization that comes along
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with war and the intersection of that and profit and corporations.
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And Alex can't really engage except by being a gross kid.
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Great.
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And these vets are wonderful people with their family and friends, but they justify doing
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that to Iraqi families.
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And there's a group of Iraqi women now traveling around this country telling their stories.
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And it's, it's stuff that you have never heard in the American media.
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And it just confirmed, I mean, it's been all over foreign mainstream press where they get
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video of it or take photos or are there as it happens.
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And they're just shooting women with children for fun.
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They just go watch me splatter this bleeper.
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And the head just splatters and they all loop and yell and do high fives.
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And the woman's holding a three-year-old as they walk down the dirt road trying to get
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food and the baby just looks, they're standing over their splattered head and there's a bunch
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of animals rolling around, basically getting sexual pleasure off of it.
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And those pieces of psychopathic trash are going to come back here and be cops.
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And they're going to man the concentration camps.
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That's what these wars are about is growing sickos.
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And gentlemen, what about Halliburton and the camps for the citizens?
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I think when you're talking about, you know, the evil in the Bush administration, I think
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you're missing a large point, which is way different than just somebody's psychology.
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That is corporations in this country have not only the Bush administration, but the
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Democrats in their pocket.
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And you know, whether they're evil or not isn't even the question.
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It's, this is a, this is a matter of business.
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It's important for the corporation.
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No, you're right.
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They don't look at what they do.
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They don't get down there in the, in the baby brains and the piles of rotten dead bodies
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with the maggots all over them.
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They sit up there in their $50 million houses with their three mistresses, all oiled and
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pampered smoking Cuban cigars while this country's going to hell in a hand basket.
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Yeah, I think that you're exactly right.
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Um, they're trying to discuss dehumanization.
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They're trying to discuss the alienation of this is a corporate thing.
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It's not even a matter of good or evil.
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And Alex is dehumanizing.
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He's being grotesque and childish and, and, and gross about these things.
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He can't engage with the ideas.
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So he has to put on the performance of anger and say, gross shit.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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It feels like the subtext is like, Hey man, I don't need your help.
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And Alex being like, clearly you do.
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You're making very rational points.
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What you should be doing, screaming, screaming about nonsense and calling people cockroaches.
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It has the feeling of a kid's table.
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Like he's at the kid's table and these other two are adults.
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And the, the like the aggressive interruption of, if I have to listen to you, I'm not going
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to understand you.
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So I'm going to take things where I can understand them and then you'll just, baby brains.
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And you'll be like, I guess I agree with you.
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I guess so.
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Yeah.
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That's your show.
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Yep.
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I don't know who these guys are and if they suck in the last 20 years, I apologize.
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It's been 20 years.
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We're not doing this.
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Yeah.
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There's plenty of people who suck over the past 20 years.
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So that thought that you had earlier about how the consequences unfold, if you don't
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punish a president for doing the kinds of things that the presidents have done.
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Will happen.
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Alex literally says that.
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Huh?
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This is all done by design.
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They're going to let the Republicans become the image of a demon and they're going to
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put Democrats in later.
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We'll continue carrying out the policies and then so-called conservatism itself, things
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that are important, like the second amendment to protect ourselves from these tyrants and
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other things are going to be demonized further.
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And it's all set up by design, but we have got to punish the executive now because clearly
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the elite wants an Imperial executive.
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Bush is just their puppet.
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This is the globalists want this dictatorship of, of, of their own control.
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And this is classical.
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I mean, Bush is announcing he's a dictator.
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You know, the jokes of 2000 and 2001, if I was a dictator, you know, things would be
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a lot better just as long as you know, I'm the dictator.
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In fact, grab that clip.
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Scott, can you find that and get that ready?
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I want to play that audio for folks that, uh, let me just grab that for you.
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You are promising America tonight.
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You would never abuse power as retribution against anybody except for day one, except
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for he's going crazy, except for day one, meaning I want to close the border and I want
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to drill that's not retribution.
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I'm going to be, I'm going to be, you know, he keeps, we love this guy.
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He says, you're not going to be a dictator.
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I said, no, no, no.
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Other than day one.
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Oh, sorry.
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Wrong clip here.
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This is the right one.
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So the line is that I'm a dictator when I stopped crime.
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So a lot of people say, you know, if that's the case, I'd rather have a dictator, but
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I'm not a dictator.
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I just had to stop crying.
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Oh shit.
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Wrong clip.
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Hold on.
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We had a good speech.
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We've got great reviews.
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I can't believe it.
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We got good reviews in that speech.
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Usually they say he's a horrible dictator type person.
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I'm a dictator, but sometimes you need a dictator.
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Yeah.
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So maybe Alex was right that if we didn't punish the executive branch for its misdeeds
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in 2006, we were heading for a dictatorship.
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I'm willing to say that his instincts were correct on that, but I say that with one major
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caveat.
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If we accept that Alex had this level of clarity and insight, then we have to also
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accept that his actions in the recent past are a clear headed support of dictatorship.
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It's a situation where him being kind of right about something actually makes him way worse
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of a person because there's no way to plead ignorance.
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You fucking know what you're doing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm just, I'm thinking about the power of saying something true and attributing it to
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they.
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You know, like of all the things that you could do damaging in this time period, it
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is to associate any like actual truth with, and it's because of the evil overlords, you
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know, like to, to shitify being honest, right?
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Just to make, to make like, Hey man, this is a very reasonable point.
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And that's because we don't deal with the demon aliens that are taking over.
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Are you trying to describe a turd in a punch bowl?
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A little bit like a turd in a punch bowl.
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Right.
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Somebody who would like take something that seems reasonable.
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Like punch.
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Yeah.
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And then put a turd in it.
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Yeah.
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That would be Alex.
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Hmm.
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He's described other people like that accurately also.
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By the way.
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Well, you know, they've all, they've, they're all the turd in a turd bowl.
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Yeah.
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And that's the problem.
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So those guys who want to impeach Bush, uh, leave and Alex is left alone with his weird
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doctor.
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Who was there the whole time?
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Why?
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He pipes up a couple times.
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Okay.
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He's there.
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He stays because he and Alex are buddies.
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Yeah.
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And he's never been in studio before.
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Oh, that makes sense.
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Okay.
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I gotcha.
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But yeah, he's having a bit of a ride along.
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He's taking it in.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I gotcha.
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The other guys were on the phone, so like he didn't have to give up his seat.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Why not?
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Why not just hang?
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Hey.
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So then they take some calls and the doctor guy is, uh, is still there.
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Uh oh.
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And this is a, this is a great, great Alex moment.
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The other thing is, uh, I don't know.
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Do you know about Michael Edward Bell from Kenosha, Wisconsin?
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He was shot in the head by the KPD police department.
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Yeah, they admitted it.
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They said, lay on the ground.
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He laid on the ground and I've got the report and they shot him in the head.
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And then the cops, the government said, we're allowed to kill you.
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Yeah.
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I was just wondering if you knew about that story or not, or if like you have put.
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Yes, I actually have it here in front of me and I believe we did post it.
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Thanks for the call.
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Any comments on that?
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It's unspeakable.
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So we're speaking it.
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You speak the truth, declare the truth.
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This caller has to know that neither Alex nor his doctor friend know anything about
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this case that he brought up.
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There's no reason that Alex would have this story in his stack of news to cover that day
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because the shooting happened in 2004.
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Ooh.
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Alex also has basic details of the story wrong.
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Like the fact that the police had Bell against his car when they shot him, not on the ground.
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Right.
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They didn't claim that they can just kill people.
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The police argued that Bell had tried to grab one of their guns, which was later proven
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to be forensically impossible since none of his DNA was found on that gun.
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What you hear in that clip is Alex being aware that he should know something about this case
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that the caller is bringing up.
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The character that he plays would know about it.
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So when confronted with the question, he has to bluff.
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Not only does Alex know about this story, he's getting ready to cover it today before
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this caller even brought it up.
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Crazy.
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That's when the caller woke up this morning.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He broke this story.
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Absolutely.
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That happened yesterday and not several years ago.
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One of the big tells here is Alex throwing it immediately to his guest to buy time.
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But unfortunately for him, that dude knows even less about the shooting.
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The other tell is Alex getting the guy off the phone.
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Immediately.
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Yeah, yeah, that one was quick.
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Hanging up on the guy and then being like, hey, weird doctor, what do you think?
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Also the level of unpreparedness that this doctor was, that's not fair.
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That's not fair to do to him.
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These are unspeakable truths, so we speak the truth.
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Honestly, that was terrible and insane, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
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That guy is thrown into an impossible position to try and make something up about something
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he doesn't know he's got to try and make something about that he doesn't want to try and make
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up something about.
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Yeah.
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It gives off the vibe of someone who is like, all pharmaceutical drugs are evil, but also
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I'm on a quaalude.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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All pharmaceutical drugs are illegal.
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There's some good ones.
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There's some good ones if you know what you're doing.
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So I just thought that that is a perfect little moment for Alex.
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And I'd like to leave us on that feeling.
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Yeah.
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Because the rest of the show isn't really all that interesting.
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But Alex knows the character he's supposed to play, and you see it throughout this episode.
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And it's in very stark contrast to who he's become.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it is like watching it 20 years ago, watching it 10 years ago, watching it now,
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all of that stuff.
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For people, I think, who get a slice of it, little slices here and there, they go, is
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it real?
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Like, he actually believes all of that stuff, you know, in those questions.
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But if you look at it in the totality, it's all real, and it's all not real.
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He believes all of it, and he believes none of it.
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He is always only ever playing the character that the moment requires him of, you know?
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Reality does not matter, but the reality of his priorities does.
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And his priorities are essentially about maintaining what he believes to be the natural order.
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And...
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As taught to him by JBS people on his dad's knee.
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Yeah.
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And he wants you to stalk people.
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That's the other part of it.
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Man!
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20 years, man!
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Yeah, that's the other thing, too.
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Think about it.
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He's like 31, probably.
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That's crazy.
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It is crazy.
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I mean, then there's also the possibility, there's also the possibility, and we'll never
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be able to know for sure until after he's dead, but he could have a brain parasite.
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True.
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You know?
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Something could have crawled inside of his brain.
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We don't even know what parasites do what.
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Right.
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Maybe this is what happens with the really bad toxoplasma gondii, you know?
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Like the really bad stuff turns you into a fascist.
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I have an argument to make, and I think it's a bad one, so I'm gonna warn you right before
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I even say it.
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I'm ready.
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Let's get it.
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If we allow for full-size demons, what would stop one of these little things that go into
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your brain from being a little demon germ?
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Ooh, that's a good question.
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Germs could be demons.
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That is definitely true.
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So that's probably what happened.
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I would assume so.
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Alex has a demon parasite of some sort.
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And that explains his drastic shift.
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Yeah, he's probably got the mushroom thing from The Last of Us.
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That's probably what happened.
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This checks out.
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Yeah.
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Also makes you hate Muslims.
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It's a weird part of the mushroom.
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It's crazy how prejudice those mushrooms are.
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Yep.
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I hate going back to a random date and it feeling present.
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It feels like it's in conversation with the present.
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I wish it would have been a little bit sillier, but still fun.
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Yeah, I think the problem there is just, no matter how...
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Okay.
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We're always going to be getting older, and the past is always going to be what it was.
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So anytime you add 20 years to that, you're going to be like, ah, fuck.
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That's in conversation with the present.
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No.
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Not if we'd randomly gone back to the day where someone stole a chicken or whatever
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the fuck.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That would have been a good day.
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You never know when somebody's going to steal a chicken.
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Alex had a movie review or something.
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That would have been a nice little piece of randomness.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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What?
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March 10th he will.
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All right.
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I don't know.
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It's going to be 2006 until it starts getting wrong about the present.
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The water is nicer.
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It is a lot nicer.
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And you know what?
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I think...
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The stakes are toll roads, man.
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But you know what?
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We have to get back to the present.
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Ah.
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Dan, why are you doing what you're doing?
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Good point.
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We'll stay in the past.
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I think that's a good call.
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So...
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More ventriloquism, please.
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More ventriloquism.
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I love it when he has a guest named Dan.
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Anyway, we'll be back with another episode, probably from the past.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZXClark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
