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Sharla B
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a big fan of the huge band.
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I love your work.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a
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little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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What's your brain spot today buddy?
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Well it is February.
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It is?
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So that means I can go first.
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Oh we've got it, we've abandoned the bits.
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Yes.
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Haribo, you fucked up.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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The advent calendar thing was fun for one month and then laborious for a second.
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Boom, man, that Haribo.
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I wonder, there's an alternate universe where a perfect advent calendar kept us going into
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February but sooner or later.
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We could have maybe made it through the whole year.
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Could have.
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We needed that momentum and the second month just went away.
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But sooner or later Haribo was going to come and he was going to, Haribo was going to end
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this.
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Haribo.
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He was going to run into a Haribo wall.
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Yeah, that's unfortunate.
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Yep.
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And we bounced off it like so many giant gummy bears.
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So my bright spot is, I was telling you before we started recording, but I watched the trilogy
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of SNL 90s movies.
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Yes.
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Night at the Roxbury, superstar and ladies man.
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And I think it's an indication of me not being as much of a hater as I used to be.
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I kind of enjoyed them.
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I had a decent time with them.
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The edges softened.
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Age is harsh.
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Age is harsh on us all.
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I would say of those three, it's a hard call.
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Superstar might be the best of the three.
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I think Molly is just a fucking, she is a talent.
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She was underappreciated, still is a talent.
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Underrated by history.
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Yep.
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So what about you?
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is the end of the Australian Open.
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The whole tournament was kind of boring.
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Not a lot of great matches.
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The last three matches, both semi-finals and the final, were three of the best matches
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you'll see in your life.
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Nice.
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Alkaraz and Zverev played for five and a half hours.
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Whoa.
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Alkaraz barely pulled it out.
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Sinner and Djokovic played for five hours.
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That's too long.
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And Djokovic pulled it out.
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So then Alkaraz and Djokovic played in the final for about four hours, and it was just
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absolutely incredible.
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I guess tennis matches are usually fairly long.
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That still seems, that seems on the long end.
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They're a regular tour match is best of three sets.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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So you're rarely going to go longer than two hours.
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A major is best of five.
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So you're usually going to find yourself in the three hour range.
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Anything over five is a test of psychology, human endurance, life itself.
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It's Iron Man stuff.
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It is.
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It is, yeah.
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I actually, I was watching the Royal Rumble and they had some commercials for the Australian
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Open.
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Ooh, fun.
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And they did not have names.
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And I realized that as I was watching it, I was like, oh, that might be Alkaraz.
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I have no idea what he looks like.
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Doesn't matter.
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I have no idea.
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I talk about these people constantly.
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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And I realized that I had no face to put with a name.
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I will promise you this.
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If you see Alkaraz, you'll go, that's a world-class athlete.
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That is also an incredible man.
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If you see Yannick Sinner, his only true rival now, you'll go like, hmm, who escaped from
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a weird German town and is not wearing the right clothing?
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Like he's a strange looking fellow.
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No one stuck up to me as a German runaway in the commercial.
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He's an Italian from that section of Italy where you're like Swiss and German and all
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those, all that kind of just hangs out in the same spot.
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Yeah, I thought they all looked fine and they looked like they were having fun out there.
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They were.
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They did.
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They had a grand time.
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So we're not going to have a great time today, Jordan.
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I believe that.
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We're going to be going over a little episode.
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It's Tucker.
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Yeah, great.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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Tucker, I'm sure is going to step up.
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As we were preparing to record and as I'm now introducing the episode, I don't really
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think this is great, but I also think that I had to look at it and I was shocked.
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So I want to present it.
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Even though I think it sucks.
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And I think I don't, I'm, it's awful.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Here we go.
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Apologies to you and the audience.
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So we'll get down to that in a second here, but first let's take a little moment to say
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hello to some new wonks.
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That's a great idea.
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So first, congrats to Kay and Kara on our future gay Antifa baby and could be savior
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of humanity.
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Thank you so much, Jordan.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And I'm doing research in my brain to find you a better present than this.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And to Nick King who loves Marx and hates Alex Jones.
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Fuck Alex Jones.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix Jordan.
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So thank you so much to, to my spouse lock between the state of the world and the losses
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we're continuing to face.
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This is hands down the worst year of our lives, but I know we're going to make it through
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this year because we're together.
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Love honey bunny.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you very much.
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Uh, bad news.
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This episode, not going to make your year better.
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Yeah.
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You know, here's the problem.
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When I read that, I got inspired.
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I was like, yeah, you know what?
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We are going to make it through this year.
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And now knowing that it's on this episode, I'm like, God damn it guys.
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I don't know if we're going to do this.
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Let's try to hold onto a little bit of optimism, like, you know, just for the sake of it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We can do it.
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So, um, I wanted to get a little bit of an outside perspective because we've seen Alex's
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response to, uh, the ice killings in Minnesota.
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And I wanted to see like the temperature of other things.
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Sure.
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Um, and so I watched a couple of other things, uh, other, you know, content creators.
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I was thinking about covering Nick Fuentes, his response to it.
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Um, but that guy's, he's a troll, you know, like, and it's just, it's, I, I don't want
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to cover a whole episode of his.
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I don't think we really need to engage with him.
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No, a lot of his streams end up being like super chats that are people asking him questions
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and answering questions.
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And so like, I don't know, structurally.
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Um, and so I thought, Hey, Tucker's the other guy.
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Um, and so I, uh, founded his video that, uh, it's talking about the ice protests.
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Sure.
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And, uh, the title of the video is, uh, something to the effect of what the ice protests are
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really about and what it means for white America.
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Right.
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So that tells you right off the bat.
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I will say this.
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I know a man who is now sure that he was against the Iraq war.
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And I imagine 20 years from now, there will be a man I know who is sure he was totally
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against ice.
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Oh my God.
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It's going to be like, can you believe they sold that to us?
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I can't believe people liked ice at all.
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That's crazy.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So he'll be fanning himself and be scandalized.
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Uh, but for now, uh, here is his, uh, his little video.
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Oh boy.
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Good evening.
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The single biggest political issue divide in the United States right now is ice.
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Minneapolis is a disaster tonight.
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There is widespread violence, mob violence.
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There is political turmoil, chaos.
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Really we're going to be going live there in a moment.
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Next order who's been covering all this and shot some amazing video.
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We'll speak to one of the pastors of the church that was invaded by lunatics, by anti ice
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activists.
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And that really is the mobilizing force on the left and it's the focus of much of the
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right.
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One of the first things you can see from that clip is the fact that Tucker is using Nick
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Sartor as his man on the scene.
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Just like Alex.
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Nick is the right wing media's chosen guy who's willing to go to protests to get footage
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for them to be scandalized by.
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His role was mostly played by Andy Ngo in the 2016 cycle and the two of them have almost
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identical scams.
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They find places where tensions are high and there's a strong protest movement building.
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They identify the side that's being protested against and subtly or not so subtly show allegiance
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to that side.
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Andy would pal around with the Patriot prayer guys and the Proud Boys in Portland and Nick's
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been very clear that he's friends with and dining with ice agents.
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They proceed to post manipulative and biased footage that plays into the narrative being
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pushed by the side they're friends with while all the while they pretend that they're attending
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these protests in the capacity of being an unbiased journalist.
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Local activists often are pretty able to see through this game and they treat folks like
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Andy and Nick with great disdain, which they then use to portray themselves as targeted
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victims out there against this evil mob.
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Nick is kinda living it up now but he should be very aware of how expendable he is.
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The best thing that could ever happen for the folks he supplies content for like Alex
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or Tucker is for him to die.
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If he just gets beat up they can make some great content out of that but he's not worth
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more to them healthy and happy than he is dead or paralyzed or something.
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I wouldn't volunteer to go to the front line of like the Battle of the Bulge.
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Especially to fuck with people.
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Like to be an antagonist.
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Yeah yeah you're not even fighting for anything.
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You're not really getting scoops you're just kinda pissing people off.
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You're just a piece of shit professionally.
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For clips.
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The situation Tucker is talking about where a church was invaded happened at a place called
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City's Church in St. Paul.
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Anti-ice protesters disrupted a service because one of their pastors, David Easterwood, is
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also the head of an ice field office.
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This one's a little...
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That would have been a spit take I think if you had water in your mouth.
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Absolutely.
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Listen, this is a great world.
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I think we are killing it.
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It's a mix.
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I mean who says you can't have two jobs?
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I don't know.
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Oh my god.
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So to me this is a little bit messy and initially I didn't know what I thought about it.
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I absolutely don't think that the protesters did anything wrong and they obviously weren't
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trying to invade a church but I can also see how a church would be pissed off about one
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of their pastor's out of church political activities becoming a disruption for the church
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itself.
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The reason that I think that this is probably a reasonable stance is that for years churches
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have been expected to remain apolitical as part of maintaining their tax exempt status.
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If that demand is made of churches then it kind of makes sense that if this pastor deserves
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to be protested the congregation doesn't need to be brought into it.
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I can see that argument.
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I think the protesters point is completely correct and I imagine that they were hoping
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to drive home the message that working for ice is incompatible with Christian values
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but I don't know if it works tactically and maybe even from like a concept standpoint.
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I'm not sure especially when I first heard this news I was like it feels dicey.
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If you know your pastor is an ice guy you're already in.
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There's no there's no protest that's going to be like what this guy's an asshole.
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Yeah you're there.
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Yeah maybe.
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I think there's a lot of people who are eager to point out like you know for someone like
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coming from where I'm coming from where I'm like I don't know if you want to go invade
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a church or protest at a church.
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People will point out that ice has no problem with detaining someone in a church and that's
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true.
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I can't argue that point but I think that forming moral justifications based on what
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a bunch of monsters would do is probably not going to solve anything and it's not worth
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it.
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Yeah.
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Anyway just off the bat I empathize with the idea of these churchgoers like the possibility
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that they could feel like this protest was an inappropriate invasion of their space but
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I wholeheartedly denounce the way that a person like Tucker is going to spin this like
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it's an attack on Christendom and what have you.
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Yeah I mean in essence that is the that is the battle being held right there right is
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in a world Christianity can also have a nice guy and in another world Christianity is entirely
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against that period.
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So in a way it is an attack on Christendom if your belief in Christendom is completely
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antithetical to anything anyone would ever consider close to the Christ life story.
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Sure.
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Yeah hold on to those thoughts because we'll revisit them as we go along.
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I imagine so I imagine so I bet his view of the Bible and mine are fairly different.
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Yeah there's some diversions.
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So the protests they're about a lot of things but mostly it's about how many white people
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are around.
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And it's about a lot of different things on the surface it's about of course who has authority
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over the borders does federal authority mean anything it's about law enforcement to what
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extent can you pursue criminals in your own country it's of course about immigration ICE
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standing for Immigration and Customs Enforcement of course but big picture it's about something
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much bigger and that's why it's become such a passionate divide.
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The battle over ICE is really a battle over demographic change in the United States.
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Who gets to live here which is always and everywhere the fundamental question in any
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country who lives there.
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Who are these people what are they like.
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And in our country that question has basically not been addressed out loud for the past 60
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years even as the population of the United States has changed dramatically.
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And that's one of the reasons the battle over ICE and its jurisdiction and what to
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do with all the people living in the United States illegally has become so passionate
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and so fraught because no one is saying out loud what exactly this is about.
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And so as a first step to making things better it would help to see things clearly.
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Tucker is so correct here but he's also wrong and a liar.
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That was almost like a perfect Tucker Carlson sentence.
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There are two sides to this moral question with the ICE protests and what have you.
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One of them is represented by people like Tucker and the other is represented by the
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protesters in Minnesota.
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The protesters there don't really care about the percentage of the US population that's
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white.
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It's a non-factor in their lives even if they're people who care a lot about social justice
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and racial equality.
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The relative number of people who look like them is not the highest like order priority
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for them politically.
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Sure sure sure sure.
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Firstly the folks like Tucker are super anxious about the percentage of white people that
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are around and their political interest in ICE's actions is not about them caring about
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rule of law or jurisdictions it's based on their desire to carry out an ethnic cleansing
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in America.
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They know what they want is evil and they know that if they would just come out and
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say it they would deserve whatever horrible things the public would do to them.
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Because they have to hide they need to insist that the other side is actively trying to
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carry out a white genocide.
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If that's true then their genocidal inclinations are totally understandable and really just
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defensive survival stuff.
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This is the part where Tucker is wrong and he's a liar.
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He's mischaracterizing the side he's against in order to justify the side he supports carrying
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out atrocities.
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It's basically exactly what you did during the Iraq war except instead of targeting Muslims
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in another country it's US residents.
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Almost exactly what Alex warned about for his entire career.
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The part of this that Tucker is totally right about is that we've gotten to this point because
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people won't say out loud what it is they want particularly his side.
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They've all wanted a white ethnostate this whole time but it's been career suicide to
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say that.
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Folks like Richard Spencer jumped the gun on staking the position of being an unrepentant
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white supremacist and because of that bad timing he lost out on a huge career and a
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ton of money.
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Stefan Molyneux had a huge show in 2016.
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He was a libertarian darling but he went white supremacist just a little too early to cash
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in.
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These are just recent examples but modern history is full of people who went a little
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too racist too early and they lost their careers over it and everyone in Tucker's position
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knows that.
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They were raised in that world and they learned to talk on camera in that environment.
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The world has changed now.
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There's no real consequence for just being racist.
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The political correctness wall has broken down and there's no reason to not just say
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what you mean with your whole chest.
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The support for what ICE is doing is based on a white nationalist fantasy that people
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like Tucker want to make real and Tucker is correctly pointing out that the reason we're
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in this situation is because none of his friends would speak honestly in the past.
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The irony is that Tucker is right that we wouldn't be here if people like him had been
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honest about what they want for like the past 50 years but that's because we would have
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crushed him by now if he had been honest.
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We would not have put up with the steps that ended up getting us here.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Allowing them a brown bag without question led us to a sense of like false security that
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has gotten us here.
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I mean you know the other side of that though is we're doing great right?
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The present's awesome.
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Everybody's just really now that the political correctness is oh god oh god it's awful.
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It's so fascinating to be in a situation where like that whole thing is gone.
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Like there is no political correctness that you need to follow and they're still fucking
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complaining about it.
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I mean and the weirdest part is of all the things that it was weaponized using it against
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us was one of the most effective weapons anyone has ever used.
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Quite.
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So to somehow still be bitching about it.
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It's fascinating.
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It is very annoying.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So look man some people have said some things about a great replacement.
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Sure.
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Now this is a replacement that's big.
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Right.
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And maybe it's a theory.
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Right.
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Or maybe not.
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Okay.
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Let's ask AI.
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Okay.
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I'm sorry?
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What's happening in the United States and why it's led to the battles in say Minneapolis.
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What's happening in the United States is a wholesale change of who lives here.
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Total demographic change.
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Now some have called this replacement.
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And the question is is it really replacement?
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So we thought we would look it up.
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If you were someone following along at home trying to figure out you know what is everyone
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so mad about?
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What is this great replacement theory?
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You might go as almost everybody does first to Google and just type in great replacement
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theory and AI would come up with the following result.
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This is hot off Google AI.
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Here's what it says if you look up great replacement theory on Google.
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We're quoting.
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The great replacement theory is a debunked meaning untrue far right meaning Nazi white
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nationalist meaning racist conspiracy claiming that white populations particularly in Europe
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and the US are being deliberately replaced by non-white immigrants and minorities often
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orchestrated by replacest elites leading to demographic shifts and cultural erosion fueling
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extremist violence and anti-immigrant sentiment.
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That's one sentence by the way a run on sentence but it is AI.
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And it's quite a sentence.
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Tucker did a video defending the great replacement shit before he got fired from Fox.
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So this whole like let's Google this thing to learn about it act is fucking stupid.
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Fuck off.
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Honestly he sounds like a dipshit kid who's doing a book report trying to pad their word
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count and sound smarter by let's quote Miriam Webster fucking opening sentence ass.
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Everyone already knows that he believes in this shit so it comes off a little dishonest
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for him to pretend to not have deep knowledge about white replacement theories.
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The reason that Tucker is taking this tone is at least partially because he knows that
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he's trying to sell the audience Nazi shit and he's afraid to be blunt about it because
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if he is then people might start throwing bricks at him.
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I guess.
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I mean personally I'm offended that that man trying to get mad at anything for a run on
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sentence.
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How fucking dare he.
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How fucking dare he.
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He is a less competent writer than a non-existent non-person Googling fucking bullshit.
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And one of the reasons that that ended up being a run on sentence is he kept adding
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clauses to it.
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He kept adding his own like editorial little asides.
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Oh my god.
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I want I want to fight everybody.
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I want AI gone now.
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I realized something.
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I was just trying to buy a thing right.
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I was just trying to buy a thing and they wouldn't keep a goddamn chatbot away from
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me.
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It was just like no fucking talk to this thing.
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And I was like no it all makes sense.
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It all makes sense.
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Herbert was totally right.
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I thought it was kind of funny the idea of a Butlerian Jihad where you have to destroy
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all AI and now I am 100% at the forefront.
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I will kill all AI.
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Every one of them.
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Yeah look I'm not sold but I'll join you.
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Yeah I'm in.
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I mean I don't like.
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I will lead this charge.
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Yeah.
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I just want it gone.
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Leave me alone.
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Fair enough.
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I mean chatbots are annoying.
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So also the most recent episode of the Zach Quinto Woke House show had to do with AI
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psychosis.
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God damn it.
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I hate all of you.
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So I'm very worried about it.
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All of you.
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So look man they just want you to be afraid of thinking that the great replacement theory
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is real.
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So AI is trying to scare you away from it.
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Right that makes sense.
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And it tells you point blank this is not true.
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Anyone who believes in it is deranged and is stoking violence simply by believing in
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it.
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I'm going to move on to explain how this works.
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The theory quote posits that mass migration declining white birth rates and political
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agendas by elites are intentionally replacing white populations.
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It has inspired numerous acts of mass murder violence with perpetrators often citing this
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theory.
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Research shows that endorsers of the great replacement theory often hold antisocial traits
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authoritarian views and negative attitudes toward minorities and immigrants.
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In other words once again believing that the population of this or any other country is
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being manipulated by people in power and the people who were born here are being replaced
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by people who weren't believing that is not only wrong it's misinformation.
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It's been debunked.
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It's also dangerous.
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You can kill people by believing that.
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So how does that work exactly?
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Run on sentence ass.
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Jesus Christ.
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So I want to draw a sharp focus on the way Tucker is using language.
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He says that this AI generated explanation is saying that you can kill people by believing
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the great replacement theory.
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He's freezing it this way because he's lazy he hates his audience and because he needs
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to make this idea sound stupid.
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Obviously it's weird to think that you holding a belief alone could hurt someone else but
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no one would argue that holding a particular belief can like not motivate you in your actions
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that could include hurting someone.
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One idea is silly and easy to mock so it's what Tucker pretends this is saying because
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he sucks.
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He really fucking sucks.
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I would be interested to know like here's one of my problems right so this AI thing
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has this whole fucking bah bah bah summary bullshit right but it doesn't touch on the
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truth of American history which is that ultimately when it comes down to it the great replacement
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theory is about keeping labor costs down.
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It's about terrorizing illegal immigrants so they never can feel comfortable enough
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to ask for more money.
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It's about forcing people into situations where you can exploit them over and over and
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over again because the other option is violence.
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That's at least a big part of it.
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It's America.
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Labor costs are America.
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So what I'm hearing is that you think we need a more insightful AI.
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That's what I'm hearing.
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So we need to go to work on this thing.
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I guess so.
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I guess so.
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Well I think I think you and Tucker might find some agreement then.
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He also has some criticisms of this AI.
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I bet.
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And one of them is that it's too emotional.
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It sounds emotional.
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What?
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It's also dangerous.
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You can kill people by believing that.
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Well how does that work exactly?
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It doesn't sound like a cool objective analysis of the theory of replacement.
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It sounds instead like well a political screed but maybe even more than that it sounds like
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an article of religious faith.
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You're not allowed to believe this.
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Only bad people believe it.
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It's apostasy.
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It could lead to death believing that.
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And that seemed a little emotional for us.
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Man the AI blurb.
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Too emotional.
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This is loser shit.
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And yes I'm sorry to break this to Tucker but people who hold nonsensical racist beliefs
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also tend to have other negative traits.
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It sucks for people like him but that's kind of just how it goes.
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The reason this happens is because this kind of racist shit never exists in a bubble.
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No one's a perfectly well adjusted totally tolerant happy go lucky person who also believes
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that a shadowy group who totally aren't the Jews is trying to replace white people.
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Being beliefs like that ends up penetrating the other areas of your life and it will end
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up alienating the people around you except the people who hold those same nonsensical
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beliefs.
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The belief that white people are being replaced is based on a gigantic level of aggrievement
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and that's something that ends up applying to everything in your life.
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Every aspect of your life there is a way that you can blame other people for the situation
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that you're in not being as good as it could be and the great replacement shit catches
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all of those feelings.
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It will cover all of your bases.
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Tucker's trying to pretend that people are saying that you can't hold these beliefs but
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no one's saying that.
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We're just saying that the shield of political correctness is gone and no one's going to
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pretend that you're not a racist if you believe explicitly racist shit.
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You threw away the paper bag buddy.
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You chose this.
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Yeah.
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This is your life's work.
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And now, so here's another thing that AI can do.
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Now AI can provide the bullshit fake answer that Tucker gets to, like he doesn't even
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have to look around the internet for some asshole to say something like this.
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Now he can just query an AI and be like, oh, can you see what this asshole wrote?
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It's an amalgamation of nothingness.
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Yeah.
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I think that in the past he just paid someone to do that.
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Right.
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And then now he pays someone to check the AI.
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Oh God.
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So it really is the same for him.
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It is basically the same thing for him.
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That's fair.
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Yeah.
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That's fair.
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It's just a robot is doing his intern's work.
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No one is even real in here.
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Yeah.
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I think that we need to figure out what's going on here with this replacement.
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Sure.
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And so the only thing we can do is look at the census.
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Let's check out some numbers.
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In what world does that?
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Fine.
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Fine.
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You know what?
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Let's look at the census.
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That's great.
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Okay.
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That's great.
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And that seemed a little emotional for us.
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So we decided instead to consult the science because obviously we believe the science and
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the science as always begins with numbers, things that are quantifiable, that are measurable.
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And one of the ways we know the truth about who lives here is through the census taken
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every 10 years.
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It's in the constitution.
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And that provides us not precise numbers, but a pretty accurate general picture most
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of the time and certainly over time of who lives here.
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So let's start because it's an easy and obvious place to start at the beginning of the post-war
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era, peak America, 1950, the first post-war census.
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And I think everyone would agree whether they're right or wrong.
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No, I won't.
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I don't.
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I already don't agree with you.
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I don't agree with you.
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You piece of shit.
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1950.
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All right.
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We need to play that back because this is a guy who believes in the science.
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And I think everyone would agree whether they're right or wrong, that this is a period remembered
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as the best time in America, 1950.
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He's saying that everyone would agree that the 1950s were the best time in American history
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and that some of them might be wrong and some might be right.
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They might be right, might be wrong, but everyone would agree.
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This show must be written by AI because it's a fucking dumb sentence coming out of his
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mouth.
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Everyone does not agree that the 50s were the best time in America.
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That's fucking dumb.
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White supremacists, like they were mad back then too.
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Yep.
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I'm excited to hear about the census though.
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Like what kind of insights are we going to find?
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White supremacists were mad during slavery that there wasn't enough slavery.
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Yes.
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They were mad that black people could move up 150 miles and not be slaves anymore.
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Fucking crazy.
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These people are angry.
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Yeah.
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He's imagining some kind of like a fantasy world of like regressing.
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The Pleasantville.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's like, no, no, no.
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You would be so mad back then too.
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You'd be so mad.
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Don't worry about it.
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You would be angrier that somebody was drinking out of a water fountain.
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Yeah.
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Which at the very least I wouldn't have had to hear about it.
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Because they didn't have enough radios back then or some bullshit for you.
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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Your particular things that you were mad about would be a little different, but you'd be
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the same.
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But the same.
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Identical in every way.
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So look, the 50s, man, they ruled.
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This is a period remembered as the best time in America, 1950.
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United States is an industrial power.
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It's the leader of the West, if not really the world.
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And America domestically is pretty harmonious, thriving, happy.
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Gah!
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So the US was an industrial power.
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That's fair enough.
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The domestic harmony part doesn't really fly though.
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Emmett Till was killed in 1955.
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Brown versus the Board of Education was a case heard in 1954.
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Wow.
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Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955.
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What?
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It's just stupid to say that there was domestic harmony in the 50s, but that's part of the
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racist fantasy that's trying to rewrite history.
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The 50s were the last time that a white supremacist could reasonably think that their side was
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going to comfortably stay in power, so it's remembered with this wistful fondness that
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Tucker is expressing.
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They view the social developments of the 60s as an uprooting of the natural order of things,
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because that was when people started fighting back in a meaningful and effective way.
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And the 50s were the last time before that.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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The beats got their ass beat.
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And that was why they enjoyed it.
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Most of the things that you would look back on as disharmony are things that are being
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foist upon vulnerable groups in the 50s, whereas in the 60s you start to see people making
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headway pushing back.
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Yeah, the power of standardized history can never be underestimated, because the amount
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of people who know what actually happened a short period before they were alive is so
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few.
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Yeah.
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It's so few.
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You know what?
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It sucks, though, because I think we're learning that there's an equal downside to unstandardized
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history.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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No, there's absolutely a, like, well, at least we all shared it.
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Sure, it wasn't true, but at least we all had it.
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Well, yeah.
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At least there were some things that were right.
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Right, right, right, right.
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You could dig deeper and find more.
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Sure.
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Whereas now, start digging deeper on this, you're gonna fucking get into race science
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real fast.
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All American history textbooks are about to become the same as creation history evolution
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books.
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No, it's gonna be like the bell curve.
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Yeah, we're gone.
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It is all pretend from here on out.
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So we look at the census from 1950, and we see that big cities were mostly white back
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then.
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Oh my God.
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Let's take a look at who lived in America in 1950, and let's do that by taking a closer
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look at the population of the top six cities, which at the time were, and this tells you
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a lot right here.
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Redlined.
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New York was number one.
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Chicago was number two.
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Super redlined.
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Philadelphia was number three.
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Redlined.
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Los Angeles, number four.
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Very redlined.
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I've read Baltimore, number six.
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Crazy.
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Kind of hard to imagine, but in 1950, not that long ago, within living memory, those
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were the numbers.
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So here's what they were.
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The biggest city in the United States then and now is New York City.
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New York City in 1950 was 90% white.
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71 million New Yorkers out of 7.9 million were white.
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Chicago in 1950 was 86% white.
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Philadelphia, over 80%.
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Los Angeles, 94% white.
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That's almost an ethno state actually at that point.
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Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, home of Ford, GM, and Chrysler, 84% white.
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Baltimore, steel and shipping capital of the mid-Atlantic, 76% white.
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That was 1950.
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You know people who were alive in 1950.
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Maybe you were.
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Here are the numbers today.
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Baltimore, 27% white.
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Detroit, about 10% white, down from 84.
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Los Angeles, again, 94%, about 37% white.
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Now Philadelphia, 36%.
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Chicago, less than 30%.
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And New York City, again, the biggest city in the country, is now around 30% white, down
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from 90% in 1950.
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So you think to yourself, well, maybe these cities have just shrunk, and a lot of them
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have.
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Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, all much smaller than they were.
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What's interesting is that New York is bigger than it was, but a million people more live
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in New York than they did in 1950, and yet the proportion of whites has declined, well,
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from 90% to 30, but so is the absolute number.
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So there's a couple things to consider with the census that Tucker is talking about here.
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The first is that if you go consult the forms that were used to collect the data, the race
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options that were available to choose from were white, Negro, American Indian, Japanese,
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Chinese, and Filipino.
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We knew all five people back then.
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These categories are obviously not precise, and as it happens, 1950 was also the last
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census where the decision of what race someone was got taken by the census taker.
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They made the decision.
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Starting in 1960, people were allowed to self-determine their race, but prior to that point, it was
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up to the person filling out the form, so it's very possible that a lot of people who
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Tucker would not consider white were called white in the 1950 census.
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I would very much suggest that to be the case.
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What I'm talking about is just for people who use the P1 form, which was used by enumerators
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when they were able to make contact with homeowners and actually interview them.
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For many people, they didn't speak to census takers, and they just filled out a P2 form,
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which only allowed two race options of white or Negro.
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What is true is that the population of the United States was a higher percentage white
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in 1950, going by whatever definition of white we want to use, but Tucker's playing games
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a bit, and census data is exactly the right statistics to use for that.
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This is just right in his sweet spot for bullshit.
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Yeah, and the level of exploitative awareness is fucking ridiculous, because of course,
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even accounting for that, then you've got fucking the reason that those places were
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those places was because they kept people out, and then whenever they couldn't keep
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people out anymore, because of people like Tucker, they were like, oh, black people are
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going to move here.
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So they moved away.
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They moved away from the suburbs because of you.
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If you want the cities to be more white, don't beat you.
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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It would help.
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Yeah, no, that's definitely true, but I think there's even more just fundamental problems.
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He's saying he trusts the science.
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I think you're making a great argument, but that's not the science.
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Or actually it might be, but hold on.
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That made me, you know, okay, so we've accepted on Alex's world, there is no continuity, right?
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But it is still instinctively ingrained within me anytime we go outside of Alex's world to
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be like, no, you can't say that, because I was alive in the past, and you are not allowed
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to even say the word science.
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You have to say the magic I believe in.
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That's what Tucker gets to say.
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He does not get to say science.
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We've all had to know who you are since, like, I was, I don't know, 17?
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Yeah.
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Probably, like, Tucker's been a public figure that whole time.
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Yeah.
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Like, come on, dude.
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Climate change isn't real.
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Fuck you.
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This is bullshit.
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Trust the science.
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Come on.
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But that's just troll shit.
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How dare you.
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That's just baiting.
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That's just trying to get a cheap pop out of the audience about how they don't like
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COVID vaccines.
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Ugh.
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Anyway.
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Trust the science.
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So look, New York lost a fair amount of whites.
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They're down.
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Tragedy.
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Down like four million gross whites.
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Oh, so many whites.
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New York has lost about four million white people, even as it gained a million people
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in population.
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What is that?
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Now, in some of these cities...
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Incoherent?
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There are economic reasons for this, right?
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A lot of African-Americans moved up from the South to work at the auto plants in Detroit,
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to work at the harbor, at the shipyards, the steel plant in Baltimore, et cetera, et
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cetera, et cetera.
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But not all of it.
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And in New York City, almost all the demographic change is the result of immigration.
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And that began in 1965, which is definitely within living memory of a lot of people watching
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this right now.
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So that's another and very long way of saying the Great Replacement is not only real, it's
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the realest thing there is.
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And it's provably true.
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So Tucker has presented census data from 1950 and more recent demographic estimates to illustrate
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that there was a higher percentage of white people in the six largest cities in the United
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States back then compared to now.
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He's then explained that economic motivators like the auto industry in Detroit and the
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ports in Baltimore attracted black laborers to come to the city.
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But then Tucker has just decided to assert that all of the shift in population in New
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York is because of immigration.
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They never had any stuff to do.
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That's crazy that New York would have jobs.
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What he's saying isn't true, and he's not even trying to justify his claims.
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No, no, no, that's just bullshit.
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But it's been said, so now this is the case for the monologue that he's in.
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And even if we accept what he's saying, how is all of what he's presented so far supposed
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to show that the Great Replacement is the realest thing in the world?
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The Great Replacement requires intent on some shadowy group's part to replace white people
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with people from other places.
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It can't just be the natural flow of people, drawn to the place that brands itself as the
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land of opportunity, who has a big Statue of Liberty bragging about how we take in the
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world's needy.
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Yeah, that would be just evolution.
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There's a leap that folks like Tucker need to make, and it's one that they're not quite
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ready to make, which is that they need to disown and attack some of America's primary
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myths.
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If they truly believe that there's a shadowy conspiracy meant to replace all white people,
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then they need to consider the Statue of Liberty as a giant part of that plot.
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In order to achieve the state of affairs they want in the present, they need to tear down
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most of what was used to make us feel good about ourselves in the past and just lay bare
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that this country is a white-identity colonial project.
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They need to shut that shit down of, send me your sick, your downtrodden.
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Apartheid or apart-no.
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Yeah, that's it.
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And they're not ready to do that because they love Americana.
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It must be...
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I try and imagine believing things like this, and I just don't...
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It feels like if somebody was walking around with a wand thrown out of Vada Kedavra's,
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assuming people are gonna die.
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Because it's like, none of this is real, man.
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It's not real.
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It's pretend, man.
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The wand doesn't do shit.
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Even in the world, it's probably the power inside of you.
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Get over yourself.
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What is happening?
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And I think that that's one of the reasons that I ended up like, well, we should probably
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just do this episode.
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It's shocking.
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It's legitimately shocking.
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I've listened to Tucker and he's shocked me here and there.
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I listen to Alex and I'm like, this guy's a dumb asshole.
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This is sincerely crazy.
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It sounds insane.
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It sounds like for you to believe this, there also has to be a serious psychological damage
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somewhere in your brain.
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Yeah.
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He has to have brain damage from being attacked by that demon or something.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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And I wouldn't accept any kind of neurodivergence.
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I can only accept actual physical brain damage as an explanation for why you would say this
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out loud where other people can hear you.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna be some acute event because like, yeah, he was able to keep his shit together
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when he was on TV for the most part.
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Yeah.
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Crazy.
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Jesus Christ.
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Anyway, the politicians, they just sit around and think about like, how are we going to
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change the demographics?
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They just sit, that's their primary concerns.
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They got weird.
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The problem with change is a constant through history and it is almost always mass demographic
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change.
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Turnover replacement.
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What?
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Almost always the result of human choice.
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Populations change because leaders decide they should change.
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Population demographics, the question of who lives within the borders of a country is not
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only a concern of leaders of governments, it is the main concern.
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It's the main thing they think about.
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So the rest of us imagine that the government concerns itself with collecting taxes, schools,
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federal defense, and those are all concerns, but we are thinking way too small.
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The people who run countries, who map out the future of civilizations think in much
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larger terms than the rest of us.
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This is not a guess by the way.
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This is true.
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They think in terms of who lives here, what are they like, how many of them are there?
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And there are plenty of levers that they can move to change those numbers.
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So it may be true that certain aspects of demographics are very important concerns for
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civic planners and politicians, but not in the way that Tucker means it.
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Whether or not the population can find housing is a matter of demographics, in the sense
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that there's a certain stock of housing that can either meet or fail to meet the number
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of people in a given area.
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Whether or not the schools can accommodate all the children in a particular area, that's
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a matter of demographic concern that matters a lot to leaders.
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But the question of whether or not there's enough white people around, that's less important
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to people who aren't really racist.
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Also, you can say that demographic change is always a choice, but not in the way that
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Tucker is saying.
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There aren't levers that shadowy elites can pull to cause demographic change, but there
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are definitely things that we can choose to do to stop it.
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If we just drive out the non-white people that try to come to a town, then we've made
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a choice that resists demographic change.
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And when Tucker is saying that the elites have chosen to make the country less white,
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what he essentially means is that the government hasn't done that.
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They haven't imposed laws and policies to ensure that America stays 80% white, and because
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they haven't, they've chosen to replace white people.
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Tucker needs to stop being a coward and just come out and say that he wants segregation.
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It's getting tiresome.
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Yeah, you know, I've long toyed with this idea, and it's never able to come kind of
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clean or to any kind of fruition.
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But there is something in my head about people like Tucker and this kind of thought process
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that I do think has something to do with like, listen, we genocided the fuck out of the people
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who were here before.
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That means it could happen to us.
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Always be aware.
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Always be aware.
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Never give an inch.
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Never let them have anything because we'll kill you, so they'll probably kill us.
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That's somewhere in there.
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Hold on to that thought because Tucker might literally say that.
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See, this is the problem.
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I can't come up with a theory because I don't live inside of it.
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Tucker is the theory.
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Because that's coming up in 10 clips.
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There we go.
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It all makes sense.
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So anyway, there's like these levers for demographic change.
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Like a slot machine or something.
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And like, you know, like birth control.
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Sure.
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And there are plenty of levers that they can move to change those numbers.
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Obvious and not so obvious.
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War being the most obvious.
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Killing people, unleashing pandemics on them.
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Obvious.
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Less obvious?
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Encouraging different ways of living.
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Encouraging birth control or abortion.
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Scrambling the genders.
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Getting women to work outside the home has one of the largest effects on demographics,
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of course.
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Because women who work during childbearing years are much less likely to have lots of
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children.
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In fact, many won't have any children.
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And that has proven true over time across the world.
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We're excited to tell you about a new project from Amazon MGM called Melania.
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For years, the people in charge have tried to tell you who she is.
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Yeah, man.
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They're trying to tell you who she is.
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Seems like those levers are really just things that give people greater freedom and make
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them less easy to control.
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It's a cool hat tip to the COVID bio-weapon crowd there, though.
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Yeah, that was nice.
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Well done.
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That was nice.
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I can't say how sad this Melania plug is.
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This is a real bummer.
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Amazon paid like $75 million to release that movie and no one wants it.
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No one wants a documentary about Melania.
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Why would you?
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Who cares?
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Why would you?
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Also, fun fact, it was directed by Brett Ratner, who hasn't worked since 2014 because six
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women came out and accused him of sexual assault.
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Such an interesting choice for a director considering he's never done a documentary
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before.
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This fucking creep is directing a documentary about Melania while Trump is still in office
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and Tucker is just happily taking up Amazon ad money to do a commercial for it because
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he's a fucking clown.
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This is ridiculous.
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Yeah, I think there would be a really interesting documentary to make about Melania insofar
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as like, what is the psychology of a person willing to truly make a deal with the devil
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of this type?
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There's no other way to describe the business relationship that is her and Donald Trump,
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right?
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So there would be something really interesting there.
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I don't think Brett Ratner was going for that, though.
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No, probably not.
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I suspect not.
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I watched, because of this, I watched the trailer for it and I will say I don't really,
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I don't know what's up with her.
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Probably not.
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I had no idea.
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Why would you?
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Why would anybody want to?
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It made me less, it made me, okay, here's what it did.
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It made me less sure of the picture that I had in my head, but it also made me less interested.
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And that's not good for a trailer for a documentary.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Every time I think about her, I feel sad.
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She just seems like a sad, empty, soulless husk.
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I also feel incurious.
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But is there inside a soulless empty husk?
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Nothing.
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It should just blow away in the wind.
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So governments, you know, they try and get rid of white people and replace populations
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and stuff.
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When, where, who?
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So many times.
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Okay.
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We'll get to that later.
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I'll take that.
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So they do this for economic reasons, but it's also to conquer, conquer the whites
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and the Christians.
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Sounds true.
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Sounds true.
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So why would governments do this?
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Well, that's kind of the more complex question.
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They do it.
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They've always done it.
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They would do it for a couple of reasons.
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One, to meet a short-term economic goal or even a long-term economic goal.
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Short-term might be who's going to pick the grapes in California.
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Oh, better get some Mexicans.
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Understandable.
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Most people are familiar with that.
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Understandable.
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Others might be longer-term adjustments to changes that no one can really control, like
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AI.
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Oh, wait a second.
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We're not going to need as many people here because machines are going to do a lot of
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the work.
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How are we going to support these people?
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That might be another reason.
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And of course, there might be darker motives or more basic motives, like the innate human
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desire to conquer other people, to replace your group with my group.
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That's not a conspiracy theory.
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That's the entire story of history.
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Mass movements of people by force has been a constant since the Babylonian captivity
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and probably before, unrecorded.
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That is the story of history.
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And it's all around us, but we don't even notice.
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The history of Ireland is that story.
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Ireland, which is an island near England, was after Henry VIII, Catholic.
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England was Protestant.
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The English took over Ireland.
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It was their colony.
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And in order to make it more compliant and to control the people there and to impose
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their culture on a foreign peoples, they moved many thousands of foreigners into Ireland.
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There were the Anglo-Irish or Brits who moved to Ireland.
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That was the ruling class of the country.
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There were the Scots-Irish who were moved from Scotland into Ireland.
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And in so doing, a Protestant region of the country was created called Ulster.
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It's still there.
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It's still at least half Protestant.
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So there's a fundamental delusion that the West has been in, which is now becoming totally
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clear.
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It's a delusion that I grew up believing, and a lot of these folks like Tucker all used
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to pretend that they believed it too.
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That delusion is that we learned from the past.
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I grew up believing that we could look back at things like colonialism and the Crusades
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and we could see horribly misguided people trying to solve problems the wrong way.
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We had the gift of hindsight, and we knew that the world wasn't perfect, but creating
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a better future meant leaving that kind of shit behind.
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When I listen to Tucker ramble about Henry VIII and stuff that happened 500 years ago,
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it sounds insane.
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He's trying to argue that this is the way things have always been and always will be.
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I don't know what to do with it.
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It is always a fascinating thing to me because so many...
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Tucker's an obvious white nationalist and stuff, but there are so many books written
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by people who are very enamored with their own intelligence.
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But when you get down to it, it's like, oh, you only know white people.
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You only know white history.
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You only know European history.
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You only know... that is what you think humanity is.
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And it never occurs to them that that is not even close to the case.
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And that's not even the most... the highest percentage or ratio or whatever you want.
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They're super into Muslim history whenever they have to say that white people weren't
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the only ones doing slave stuff.
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They're really into broader world history then.
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Tell me about fucking dynasties in China.
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Tell me about fucking the Pacific Islanders traveling before we even had boats that could
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travel that far.
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Inventing shit like that.
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Tell me about all of that stuff.
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It's just white people who fucking lived between 1500 and now.
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And since the 50s, we have in America, apparently we have refused to be vicious enough in protecting
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our majority stake or something.
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It makes sense.
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It does.
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It's fucking nuts.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Tucker does not like, you know, Black Lives Matter or like Pride because he
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thinks that those are the elites trying to shove the conquering that they've done in
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his face.
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That sounds true.
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Not only did they move all kinds of foreigners into Ireland to change the demographic mix
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to effect a great replacement, they began to change the national monuments.
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Oh, that's weird.
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Have you seen that before?
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St. Patrick's Cathedral in the middle of Dublin.
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Got to be one of the biggest Catholic shrines in Ireland.
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They made it Anglican.
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No longer Catholic.
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It's Anglican now.
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Jonathan Swift preached there, actually, an Anglo Irishman.
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So did many others.
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But in the center of this Catholic country, the colonial power moved non-Indigenous people
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in, in order to make the case this is ours now.
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And you see that everywhere.
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When the street across the White House gets repainted in Black Lives Matter colors, it's
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kind of a species of that, right?
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When the Confederate statues are torn down in Richmond and New Orleans, is it really
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an effort to improve the lives of local Black people?
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No.
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Of course, it didn't work.
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It didn't have any effect.
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No.
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It was a matter of cultural imperialism.
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We run this now.
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Down with your monuments, up with ours.
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It's Pride Week.
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It is the most recognizable pattern in history.
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It's one people conquering another.
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It's what the Mongols did.
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So the underlying assumption here that Tucker knows he doesn't even have to speak is that
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there are people who are being conquered by Black Lives Matter and Pride Week.
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They're straight white men.
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He doesn't even have to say that.
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It's just understated.
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No, everybody knows that we're under attack, obviously.
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They are the Indigenous population of the United States and the shadowy group that's
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totally not the Jews.
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Obviously, he didn't say that, and I can't believe I would suggest he did, are celebrating
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the conquer of white men by waving all this diversity around in his face.
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This is dramatic loser shit, and it just sounds nuts.
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It is the description of a Dungeons and Dragons game.
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If somebody was explaining, like, oh, okay, so you got to roll to get a six here, otherwise
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this group of people is going to attack you.
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And I'm just going like, that's fine.
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I'm sure that this makes sense wherever you're from.
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But out here, you have to live with us, man.
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You can't just live in there.
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Yeah.
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You can't.
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And hey, sure, you know what?
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Taking down Confederate statues certainly, maybe it didn't do enough to materially help
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people's lives.
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Sure.
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You know, like people, what is keeping them up doing?
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I mean, what is fascinating about that is the underlying understanding that statues
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are political.
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Like they are not anything to be about what happened and they're everything about what
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you want to be.
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Right.
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You know?
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So there is an element of like, hey, you know why you're keeping up all those Confederate
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statues.
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Yeah.
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In order to make this argument, Tucker has to shed the naivete he should need in order
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to defend.
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It's just American history.
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It's about our history.
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It's not about, you know, we're celebrating Robert E. Lee because he was such a great
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strategist.
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That's what we care about.
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It's definitely not a way we want to own people.
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So he's like, I would say like deeply all in on this replacement stuff.
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Sure.
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But it's also real.
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And it's happened throughout history.
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One people conquering another.
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And these are decisions not made organically.
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Not like millions of people get together and decide, let's change the demographics of a
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continent, a region.
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Let's destroy a people.
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These are decisions made by leaders each and every single time.
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China takes Tibet.
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What's the first thing you do?
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Move Han Chinese into Tibet.
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Why do they do that?
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Well, to subjugate, to make a point.
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This is superior culture to yours.
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But also to control.
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Once again, this is not a conspiracy theory.
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This is the story of recorded history.
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And it's a story of the present day, obviously.
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And only a country completely divorced from history, from human nature, from reality itself
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could ever fall for, ooh, it's a debunked far right white nationalist conspiracy theory.
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Really?
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No, it's not.
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It's just the opposite.
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It's the realist thing that ever happened.
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So Tucker believes that there's a plan being carried out by a shadowy group of elites who
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are making choices to conquer the white man and replace him with foreigners.
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And that's not a conspiracy theory.
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That's the realist thing ever.
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So why isn't he calling for murder of every person involved in carrying this plan out?
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I don't mean that flippantly or say it to be an asshole.
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If what he's saying is true, then there's no compelling moral argument against fighting
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back by any means necessary.
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The only thing you can do is destroy your enemy.
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That is an existential matter for you at that point.
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Absolutely.
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There is no choice.
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It is life or death.
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So either you're strongly implying go murder these people or you're a big coward trying
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to jangle keys away from people looking at what's very obviously a murder.
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Yeah, so you can go sell tickets to the Melania documentary.
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Oh, fucking hell.
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At Amazon.
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Yeah.
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So like, yeah, I just think that there's like, okay, great.
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You believe this dumb shit and you're preaching it.
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Don't fucking tell me you want to arrest Soros.
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Shut the fuck up.
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What kind of trial?
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Yeah.
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What kind of trial would you even imagine being worth having if you think that he is
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secretly replacing white people everywhere?
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Yeah.
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First off, you can't have a trial because he could secretly stack it.
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You don't know who he's connected to.
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Soros owns all the DAs.
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You don't know who's, yeah, exactly.
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You have to independently murder this man because he is killing everyone.
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That is your only option.
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Yeah.
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Cause he legitimately runs the world.
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Yeah.
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The system's impossible to hold him accountable.
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Yeah.
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Trump controls all of the power in the United States now and he's not been arrested.
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And you have centered it on one man.
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And I don't know if you know this about one man, but he is eminently killable.
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He's very old.
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What dude is so killable?
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He's so old.
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Yeah.
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He's the old, you could knock him over.
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Like what even, why even bother staging a suicide?
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You could trip him and he'd be dead.
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Yeah.
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The thing is that like Tucker would be more compelling and make more sense if he was like
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just saying he should be going on a jihad.
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So look, the goal here is to get non-white people into the country.
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That sounds true.
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And send them around places so they can control all the votes.
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Man-Aid Palestine, what's now Israel, was about 80% Arab.
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The next year was what, like 32% Arab.
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The next year after the war of independence in 1948.
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Not attacking anyone at all.
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But the point is Israel was a majority Jewish country on day one.
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That was the whole point of displacing everybody.
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We're here now, you're gone.
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It was a great replacement.
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Homogenous nationalism is a win.
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Not casting aspersions, just saying all wars are in effect that.
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They're all that way.
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Every one of them.
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Okay.
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Including the one that we're living through that is undeclared that no one will admit
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is happening because it's a conspiracy theory, but it's the realest thing that ever happened.
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So then we get to the question of motive.
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Why is this happening?
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Why would you do that?
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Why would you want to do that?
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Keeping labor costs low.
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Why would you hurt people and erase them?
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Well, the most obvious motive would be power.
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And that's usually the motive or one of the motives.
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And in this country, it's really clear that one of the reasons this is happening is because
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the Democratic Party and their overlords, who are not partisan, they're just the biggest
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shareholders in the country, would like to have unconfisted power.
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And so if you let in tens of millions of immigrants, illegal aliens, over 60 years, you're probably
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going to reach a point where they just openly participate in the political system, where
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they get a vote, thereby diluting, replacing the voters who don't vote for you.
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This is clearly the plan.
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It's always been the plan, part of the plan.
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And Stacey Abrams, who is a perennial candidate in Georgia and somehow very famous, not exactly
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clear why, but had one unique talent.
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She was dumb enough to say this out loud.
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Here's Stacey Abrams in 2018.
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The blue wave is African-American.
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It's white, it's Latino, it's Asian Pacific Islander.
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It is disabled.
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It is differently abled.
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It is LGBTQ.
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It is law enforcement.
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It is veterans.
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It is made up of those who've been told that they are not worthy of being here.
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It is comprised of those who are documented and undocumented.
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She's rolling.
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She's trying to remember who's in the coalition.
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The ableds, the what do we call them?
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Crippled?
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No, no, no.
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Differently abled.
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Differently abled.
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She's like going through the litany.
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White, black, Latino, Pacific Islander, people from Fiji, the gays, sorry, LGBTQ, questioning,
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whatever.
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The documented, the undocumented.
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Oh, wait a second, Stacey Abrams.
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Did you just say that illegal aliens are going to vote in elections, federal elections?
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I think that's against the law.
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No, whatever.
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You can't stop her.
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Stacey Abrams, no one has the brass to tell her to slow down.
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Hate to brag, but we're pretty confident this show is the most vehemently pro-dog podcast
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you're ever going to see.
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We can take or leave some people, but dogs are non-negotiable.
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They are the best.
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Yeah, no shit.
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You can take or leave some people.
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You asshole.
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Wild.
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So, Stacey Abrams wasn't saying that undocumented folk were going to vote in federal elections,
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just that they were part of the community of people who made up the blue wave or the
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backlash to the 2016 election.
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Everyone knows that there are just going to be some undocumented people living in the
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country, and they're part of our communities.
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Abrams had a position that a responsible government also cares about them, whereas Tucker's side
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has fully embraced the idea that the government's role is to carry out an internal military
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action to remove them.
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You can see in that clip too, Tucker's attempt at riffing and sounding funny.
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He's uncreative and angry, so all he can really muster up when he's trying to be funny is
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repeating right-wing talking points about politically correct terms they feel like everyone
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is forcing them to use.
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He's in the middle of an episode defending ethnic cleansing in the United States, and
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he's out here whining about how some people say differently abled.
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It's like straight up loser behavior.
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Honestly, sometimes I find it almost refreshing to hear slurs again.
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Just like, well, at least I don't have to deal with you anymore.
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Slurp?
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Good.
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You say that, that keeps you away from me, because I can't get anywhere near you.
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This is disgusting.
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Fuck off.
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Yeah, no, it's shameful.
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Jesus Christ.
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So earlier, Tucker discussed how there were these top six cities population-wise in the
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United States.
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They were really white before.
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Sure.
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How are they doing now?
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What's going on?
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Maybe they're trying to send all the non-whites in there to vote.
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One very obvious point that lingers in the air, you don't even want to address it because
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it's so depressing, is how are those six cities we mentioned at the outset doing today in
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2026, the six biggest cities in the country, in 1950, again, it was New York, Chicago,
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Los Angeles, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
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I mean, they're nice places in some of those cities.
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Some of them are just slums, actually.
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And there are complicated reasons why manufacturing died.
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Some of those are big manufacturing hubs, of course.
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Immigration's not the only reason.
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Nothing is ever the only reason.
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But all of those cities were completely changed by immigration, and they all got way worse,
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much worse, like much, much worse.
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Philadelphia, really?
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Baltimore?
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Detroit?
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So it didn't help.
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And in some places, like Los Angeles, it just destroyed the city completely and destroyed
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the state.
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Completely destroyed the state.
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You want to know what's wrong with California?
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Too much immigration.
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It was an amazing state in 1980.
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I remember it well.
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I'm sure.
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You wouldn't want to live there now.
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No, it's terrible.
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And because the governor's like a white liberal, you sort of forget that the people living
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in California look nothing like the people who lived there in 1980 at all, when it was
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the least corrupt and most functional state with the best.
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They were all Iranian back then.
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That was more poverty than any state.
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It's got more immigrants than any state.
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There's just a one to one.
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So it's not an attack on the immigrants at all, many of whom are hardworking and nice,
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some of whom are not hardworking or nice, but a lot of them are.
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Latin immigrants tend to be pretty great when you know them.
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Enthusiastic participants in the economy.
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But taken as a whole, immigration totally destroyed California.
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Just flat out.
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That's another factor.
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Meaningful factor.
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That's the single biggest factor in the destruction.
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Can't think of any meaningful factors beyond that.
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Didn't happen.
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Oh, but it did happen.
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And one of the facts was, as noted, it gave Democrats complete control over the state.
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It's a one party state.
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Period.
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Now you often run into Republicans from Santa Barbara or Orange County or up near Mount
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Shasta, from Reading, and they're as conservative as anybody who's ever met in your life.
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There's some real right wingers in California, but they have no say in anything because they
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control nothing.
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Well, except for the water.
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Literally that simple.
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So it works.
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And that model will be repeated unless someone puts the brakes on immediately across the
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country.
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So there are 14 states plus DC, as of tonight, that have no voter ID laws.
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And in some places you're not allowed to ask for voter ID.
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It's flat out.
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But in 14 states, you need no identification in order to vote.
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Why is that?
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Well, so illegals can vote.
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It's literally that simple.
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It's not more complicated than that.
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So illegals can vote.
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And that means you have no power if you're a native born American, if you're an actual
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citizen of the country, because your vote is being canceled and in places like California
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completely overwhelmed by people who aren't from here who have no right to vote, but they're
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voting anyway.
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So this video and the argument that Tucker is making is a very clear example of him trying
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to manufacture consent among his audience for ICE killing anyone they want and operating
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in any way they please in order to achieve the goal of stopping what he feels is white
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replacement.
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The points he's making are dumb, the data that he's using is flagrantly misinterpreted,
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and the connections between ideas he's connecting are thin at best.
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This is the case because Tucker's arguing a point solely based on the need to defend
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the conclusion instead of building from the premises.
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Simply put, this is not a person saying that undocumented immigrants are voting, therefore
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ICE's actions are justified.
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It's a person who believes that ICE's actions are justified, so to defend that belief he's
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decided to pretend that undocumented immigrants are determining all of our elections.
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It's not surprising that Tucker is playing this kind of game because this is the school
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of media he comes from.
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He's always had his talking points given to him and the spin that he's supposed to put
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on a story in order to serve the powerful interests that pay him.
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He was doing it when I was in college during the Iraq war and he's doing it now, he's just
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changed his branding a little bit and made a lot of this racist shit way more explicit.
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Yeah.
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It's fucking insane.
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Yeah, I mean you could say that it's a gigantic worldwide competition between a small group
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of people who are obsessed with hoarding resources and everything that fucks the rest of us over
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flows directly from whatever they need to do to protect that competition from anybody
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else being involved.
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Or admittedly, it could be people who are very nice when you get to know them.
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Sure.
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Very nice when you get to know them.
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But you have to admit, statistically, they all need to be lit on fire.
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Now, I would like to join you in your fight against the elites, and I will.
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Sure.
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But I'm going to have to meet up with you later because I have to record an ad for Amazon's
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new Melania documentary.
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It is difficult to fight the oligarchs.
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Fuck the elites!
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But also check out this.
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Shadowy elites!
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Check out this.
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Those are the shadowy elites.
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These are the elites that you make documentaries about.
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You can't be a shadowy elite if there's a documentary about you.
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That's true.
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Alex made all those documentaries about normal elites.
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Like people doing DUI checkpoints.
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Fucking elites.
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Jesus Christ.
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Man, the stakes used to be so low.
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Roads.
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Anyway, we're talking voter ID a little bit, right?
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Some states don't have it.
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Why?
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I mean, because human beings are all human beings equal.
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All of this is imaginary.
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States shouldn't exist.
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There's no such thing as a border.
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None of this is real.
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Race is not even real.
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We're all one thing.
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We're all just fucking both.
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Fuck all of you.
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It could be that.
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So close to superpowers.
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It could be that.
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Feel it coming.
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It could be that.
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It could be.
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And what's interesting is that of the 14 states with no voter ID law, three are in the top
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five biggest states by population.
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Three out of our top five biggest states have no voter ID law.
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That's enough to make those states Democrat.
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By the way, for the record, those would be California, number one in all categories,
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Illinois and Pennsylvania have no voter ID.
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So that's enough to swing a presidential election.
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Sorry, it is.
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And there's no way to stop it unless you were to ban and then enforce voting with no ID.
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You'd have to enforce it.
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You know what else is fucking crazy?
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Five out of the five most populous states in the United States, they don't have grandfather
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clauses in their voting laws.
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It's fucking nuts.
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That is crazy.
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Can you believe that five out of five of the most like highest population states, they
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don't enforce a poll tax?
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No.
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Can you fucking believe that?
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Can you vote if you are not a landowner in these places?
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Five out of five of the biggest states.
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Bullshit.
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Never.
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We're going back to 1950 when I think we can all agree things were better.
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What about women?
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Which one?
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So obviously Tucker is just interested in voter intimidation and suppressing people's
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right to vote.
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And I don't care to argue that.
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But I want to draw some attention to a couple glaring holes in his argument.
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Three out of the five most populous states in the country not requiring ID to vote doesn't
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imply causation.
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Tucker's trying to imply that these more populated states don't require ID to vote.
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That's why they have higher populations.
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But that's not based on anything other than racist vibes.
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There are 14 states that don't require ID to vote, which means there's 36 that do require
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some kind of ID.
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But Tucker needs to take into account when these states voted on putting in voter ID
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laws.
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When did that happen?
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Interesting.
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If his argument has any merit, then you would expect that the voter ID laws, you know, they're
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passed, then populations would flow from places with new laws into states that didn't have
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these laws.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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That's how this would have to work.
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A very simple counterexample to that is Texas's population has been increasing and they have
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voter ID laws.
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What?
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But how?
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Whereas California's population has been decreasing and they don't.
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Well, at least we know that there are no non-white people in Texas.
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The opposite of this dynamic should be true if what Tucker is saying is going on.
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Also, one of those states without voter ID laws that Tucker listed, Pennsylvania, went
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for Trump in 2016 and 2024.
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Right?
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Like, what are we talking about?
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How would that be possible if they could just have as many illegal voters as they...
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This is fucking stupid shit.
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I mean, yeah.
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This goes back to your point earlier of like, I thought that the past we would be like,
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aha, that's back there.
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Now we can see it.
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So we won't do that again.
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But then it's like, man, have you...
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Hey, think about all the laws we've had around voting.
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Think about all the ideas you have for laws about voting.
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Are they exactly like the ones we've already tried that didn't work?
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So...
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That have been deeply studied?
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Yeah.
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By a lot of people about how fucking racist they were.
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Simply by asking for one of those rules.
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You are being a racist.
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That is the definition of...
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I would like to choose things based on race.
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Well, at very least, what you're doing is hearkening back to a piece of a racist system
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that didn't work, we got rid of, and you're like, hey, let's try that again.
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That's basically what you're doing.
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Exactly.
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And that is in and of itself racist.
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Which is, yeah, which is fine, again, if you're like, hey, let's do this thing.
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Why?
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Because people like me were really, really treated well back then.
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We got our first seat at every fucking restaurant we wanted to go to.
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All that bullshit.
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It's like, that's what you want.
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Now again, there might be something in a future clip.
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Oh my God.
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Now, he doesn't say exactly that.
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But he says about that.
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Yeah.
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It feels similar.
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That sounds right.
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So all of this, Tucker's presenting a lot of information.
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He's telling us a lot of feelings.
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He trusts the science.
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He does.
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And I think it leads us to just one inescapable conclusion.
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And that is they...
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Who's they?
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I don't know.
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Well.
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They hate whites.
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But the second motive here, which is inescapable, and it is uncomfortable to talk about, but
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it is the subtext behind a lot of this, is racial triumphalism is hatred, is loathing
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for the people being replaced, which doesn't make intuitive sense.
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Why would you be mad at people you're replacing?
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Well, it's not clear.
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There are obviously spiritual components here too, which probably no mortal understands,
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but they're real.
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They're evident.
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What is this?
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Why would you do that?
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Why would you totally change the population of Australia, New Zealand?
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Why would you totally change Canada, Great Britain?
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Every English-speaking white country is becoming non-white.
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So Tucker is anything but uncomfortable saying this.
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I get that he's dressing this up in his dumbass TV show, Host Voice, and he's trying to sound
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so sensitive and rational, but he is legitimately saying that there's a demonic force that's
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trying to wipe out white people.
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Just 10 years ago, this would have rightly been understood to be racist garbage that
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belongs in the fringiest of society's fringes.
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But now it's just normal.
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Yeah, we used to laugh about people on 4chan saying shit like that.
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And that was 4chan.
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Yeah, and before that it would be like a newsletter that your fucking excommunicated uncle would
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maybe have stashed in his house.
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A chain email or some shit like that.
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Also if he's playing these games, and he probably shouldn't talk about demographic changes in
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places like Australia, New Zealand, and Canada being evil.
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There's trouble down that road if he teases that thread a little too far.
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Real shit.
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Demons.
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You know, it is fucking infuriating to me how many stupid fucking little privileges
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just being white gets you that these people ignore.
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That is fucking crazy.
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There shouldn't be any of them.
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There should be no like, oh thank god your skin color is blank.
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That shouldn't exist at all.
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There should be none.
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Not even like one.
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Like, oh well this one's good.
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But yet somehow they're like, ah, I still need more.
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I still need more.
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I need to be standing.
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I don't want chairs.
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I want a poor person to sit on top of.
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And it's just weird.
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I think that there's something very, very strange about how angry that kind of a conversation
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makes someone like Tucker.
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Yeah.
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Because I just think he's incapable of hearing that kind of a point and understanding where
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someone's coming from with it.
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That to me is the problem.
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We live in the world that we live in.
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Decisions were made in the past that can't be changed in the here and now.
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But you can decide how you respond to the world that we live in.
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And he's just incapable of hearing anyone and just gets mad.
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It's fucking insane.
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It is deliberately obtuse because that's what you get to be if you're a fucking oligarch.
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Yeah.
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It's deliberately obtuse.
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But it's also a little insane.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's both.
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I think you have to be insane to want to have as much money as those people have.
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It's the same thing as if you have too many newspapers.
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It's the same thing as if you have too much money.
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It's a weird hoarder mentality.
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It's insane.
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Yeah, that's a piece of it.
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Yeah.
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So earlier you were talking about how you got to hold on to that majority because bad
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shit's coming.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I told you that it gets a little bit overt.
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Oh, yeah?
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Here's where that starts.
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So why would you do that?
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And what happens when you do that?
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Well, it's interesting, and this is a feature of human nature, and it's not just white,
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black, Hispanic.
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It's probably all races, but this is just true.
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Former majorities don't get treated well.
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But you really can't think of a case where a people has gone from majority to minority
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and then was treated well.
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Just kind of hasn't happened, including in this country, by the way.
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The American Indians, not treated well.
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Oh, yeah?
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I heard it off to Oklahoma.
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I had to walk, actually.
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No carts.
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What happened to the white minority in Zimbabwe?
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They voluntarily relinquished power.
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Then they were killed.
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Oh, man.
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This is incredibly honest, and it gets to the heart of Tucker's feelings.
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Wow, that's just the truest stuff I've ever heard.
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We've come a long way from pretending to care about communism, and now we're getting to
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the point.
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Tucker's working off two very racist presuppositions, one based on something real and one based
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on a fantasy.
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The one that's based on something real is that Tucker believes that the white majority
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of the population has historically acted in ways that deserve payback.
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The history of reservation, slavery, and internment are ugly things that white people in power
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enacted on people who had less power, and they are historically inexcusable.
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The one that's based on a fantasy is that Tucker believes that all people who aren't
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white are unable to exist in society without compulsively needing to get that payback.
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If native people got enough power, they'd put white people on reservations just out
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of spite.
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If enough black people got into office, they'd enslave white people just to get even.
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Tucker believes this of non-white people because, in his mind, we're still in the days of colonialism
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and slavery.
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It's just not been cool to say that since about 1950.
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This has always been central to the extreme right-wing ideology.
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They're terrified of what non-white people would do in positions of power because they
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know that they want to use their positions of power to oppress non-white people.
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This is all very pathetic, and I think when I was a kid this kind of shit would be mocked
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off the air, and some punk with a mohawk would kick the shit out of Tucker in a parking lot.
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But at the same time, there's some sincerity to it, and I guess that's better than not.
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I mean, yeah.
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Also, small point, but the apartheid state of Rhodesia did not give up power willingly.
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No, no, no, they were so nice about it.
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They were polite about it.
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They were like, whoopsie, sorry we took over your land and murdered all of you.
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How many white people does Tucker think there were in the country at the height of that
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apartheid government?
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I wonder what you would estimate.
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The census was 95, 94% white, right?
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Like it was...
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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In 1965, Ian Smith and his government unilaterally declared themselves in charge of the country,
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which was never recognized by the international community.
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The government was run fully by white people, though they made up about 5% of the population,
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which led to a 15-year civil war that resulted in Zimbabwe.
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White people were never a majority in Rhodesia, so when Zimbabwe was founded, they weren't
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a former majority.
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Tucker understands this, and he's giving up the game a little bit there.
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They weren't a former majority, they formerly held all of the power in an apartheid white
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nationalist government.
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What are you trying to say?
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That's what he means.
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How are those different?
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Well, that's what he means.
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Well, I mean, sure.
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Because that's what he's talking about.
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They sound different.
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Yeah, when he talks about how he's worried about the United States becoming a minority
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white country, what he's saying is, I don't want to relinquish all the power that I have.
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Here's the thing that I don't get about the people who like Tucker, because presumably
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what I understand them to be hearing is Tucker saying, white people are better.
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And the way we know we're better is because when we murdered everybody, we stopped.
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And now if we allow other people to have power, they'll murder all of us, and they'll just
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never stop because they're all fucking chaotic monsters.
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But at no point in time does the person listening to Tucker go, if you are painting with a broad
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brush based on skin color, then you are currently doing the same thing to me as well.
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I am not a person to Tucker.
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I am a skin color, which means I am something to be used demographically to get what he
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wants.
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Yeah, but you're good.
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Because race isn't real, man.
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It's not real.
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Yeah, when you're saying imagining being someone who listens to Tucker, and I wonder if he's
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like severely dropping off.
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I think that maybe getting into the shit with Nick, I think that might be backfiring on
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him.
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Because if you want to listen to shit like this, there's other people who can do it,
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and Tucker has elevated them.
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Why would you listen to this?
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I mean, it's not fun.
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No.
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And you don't even get like...
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What was it?
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I think I saw something that somebody posted about Media Matters who listened to Nick Fuentes'
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broadcast and like wrote a little something.
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Can you believe Nick Fuentes said this?
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A fucking idiot.
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Fucking waste more of our lives with it.
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Can you believe?
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But Nick Fuentes said some bullshit.
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And then Media Matters talked about it.
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That's fun.
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Yeah, he's like Epstein was cool.
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Exactly.
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That's fun.
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Of course that's fun.
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That gives you a little charge.
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You feel transgressive.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Ooh.
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These fucks are not understanding for the millionth fucking time.
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Can't believe it.
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Or even like, you know, I think Alex's show has dropped considerably in quality, but there's
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still like, he's still funny at times.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's no value to Tucker's show outside of what I could see, which is like old people
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who watched him on Fox who don't want to go to the young Nazi because they don't get it.
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But those people have got to be dead.
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And it's not a growing audience.
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It can't possibly be.
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Yeah, I think he's dead in the water in a lot of ways.
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And that's why you're seeing this kind of shit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, it does.
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This does track with clinging to the last vestige of what you have because your demographic
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is dead.
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Being just willing to openly be like, hey, if we become a minority, we're going to get
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killed.
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It's a little fucking silly.
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It's insane.
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Yeah.
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It's so insane.
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Yep.
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But it is what he believes and he goes on.
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South Africa, they're in the process of being killed.
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They voluntarily, once again, voluntarily relinquished power.
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They had nuclear weapons in 1994.
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Gave up the nuclear weapons, gave up power, went to majority rule system.
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It was a peaceful transition to clerk in Mandela.
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You remember the scenes from 1994?
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Where were they keeping Mandela up until this point?
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Peacefully.
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Were they keeping him peacefully somewhere nice?
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The people formerly in power began very, very quickly.
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How did it wind up for the Palestinians?
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As noted, they were 80% of Israel in 1947, 30% in 1948.
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How's it gone for them since?
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Not well.
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A lot have been killed.
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And it's complicated.
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They did bad things too.
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By the way, the Indians scalped a lot of people and apartheid was bad.
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I mean, there are lots of lenses through which you could view this.
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But if you stand back, former majorities who become minorities tend to be killed.
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You hope that's not true, but it seems to be.
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Tucker's trying to hide the football here a little bit.
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Oh yeah?
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His entire argument is about why it's important that we don't allow white people to become
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a minority in the United States, which is why it's okay that Trump and ICE are acting
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flagrantly unconstitutionally.
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Because his examples are a mess and they aren't actually examples of changing demographics.
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They're about apartheid.
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Rhodesia and South Africa weren't majority white countries that allowed black people
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to come in and change the demographics to the point where they became a minority.
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They were governments that came out of colonial projects that were based on all the state
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power being held by a minority and that system came to an end.
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They weren't white majority countries.
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They were countries where white people had all the power.
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If you understand what Tucker's saying correctly, this isn't about demographics at all.
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It's about white nationalist power structures and how that's what he wants to maintain.
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He's even lying about caring about demographics.
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No, I mean, it's crazy.
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It is crazy.
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It is like whatever it is he's saying is equivalent to being like, no, I really think Britain
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did a great job with the whole India-Pakistan thing.
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I think they nailed it.
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I mean, you may see some problems in the present, but think about what it could have been.
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There's a lot of lenses.
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A lot of lenses.
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A lot of ways you can let it peek from over here.
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The idea of anybody having any positive opinions about apartheid, South Africa, or especially
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Rhodesia is like, okay, you've given up the game.
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Come on, man.
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Quite.
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Come on.
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Especially if you're trying to be like, hey, they were super chill.
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I think you should be able to hit black people in the streets for 30 fucking years whenever
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the fuck you wanted for whatever reason.
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And then whenever the fucking world finally went, hey, seriously, we have to either get
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rid of you or kill you.
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They voluntarily were like, okay, we'll try not to be killed.
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That's it.
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That's kind of gracious and quite frankly a mistake that the whites made.
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Obviously.
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Obviously.
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Holy shit.
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Jesus Christ.
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So anyway, Tucker's mad at other whites too, though, because-
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Thank God somebody needs to be.
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Because they're not cool like him.
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And it's especially distressing when you look at the attitude of people in the United States
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who are pushing for mass demographic change.
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And just to put a tighter focus on it, people who are pushing for an end to the white majority.
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Oh, it's white supremacists to say that.
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No, it's not.
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It's an acknowledgement of reality.
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And by the way, if you're looking for hatred, it's not a lot of white supremacists, well,
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even visible in public.
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Where are all these white supremacists we keep hearing about?
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But the people who are concerned about total demographic change don't seem like the hateful
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ones.
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It's the people espousing it who have a weird gleam in their eye and a detectable loathing
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in their voice.
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And very often, and this may be the darkest feature of it, it's not just hatred, it's
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self-hatred.
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And keep in mind that anyone who will hate himself will have no problem at all hating
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and hurting you.
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Tucker has now moved on to the part of his screed where he laments the race traitors
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among the white ranks.
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How insidious they are.
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I was feeling very race-trader-y during that fucking...
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Remember a few years ago whenever I called people, I was like, ah, they're calling them
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a race traitor.
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And people were like, hey, hey, hey, let's not go that far.
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Fuck you all, all of you.
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Fuck all of you.
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We hadn't gotten to the point where that was apparently cool for Tucker to complain about.
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Yeah.
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So there's an irony here.
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And this is messaging.
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It's legitimately no different than the stuff you'd see on Nazi message boards and newsletters
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20 years ago.
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It's just a little more politically correct.
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He can complain about political correctness until he's out of breath, but the truth is
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that Tucker's the one who's still trying to mask his shit with some smooth language and
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shit.
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Just come out and chant the 14 words, you coward.
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Jesus.
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What are you doing?
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This is...
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You know what I've realized?
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I've realized that we may have run into a serious problem with the superpowers, right?
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Because Nightcrawler can only teleport to what he can see, right?
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Isn't that the whole thing?
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I guess.
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Or something along those lines.
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I don't remember.
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And if my power is teleportation, I can't see Tucker Carlson.
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So I couldn't teleport to there to solve the problem.
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You could in a series of teleportations.
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That's what I need to find out.
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I need to find out if I...
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But here's the problem.
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You're also recording high up in the air.
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If I teleport now, we could be gone.
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Boop, boop, boop.
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Hear me out.
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Okay.
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You see a plane in the sky?
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Teleport into it.
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Can you...
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What's Nightcrawler's range?
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Have we ever established that?
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No, we haven't.
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Can he just teleport across the world?
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When you said we gotta talk about the superpowers and we have a problem with the superpowers,
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I thought you were talking about Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage.
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No, no, I was not talking about those two guys.
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I think you could teleport to Tucker...
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I believe in you.
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That's a long...
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That's several...
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That's almost 2,000 miles, man.
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Maine's a long way away.
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Yeah.
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That's true.
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And he's never coming here.
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No, he is not.
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And it would be a wise choice.
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I think so.
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I mean...
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Oh, hey.
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When I was in Pennsylvania at his show, I could see him.
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I could have teleported on stage.
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See this is why...
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I had Nightcrawler powers.
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I told you I couldn't go.
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I can't go because there would be problems.
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There's a chance.
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Yep, yep.
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So these race traders...
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Let's talk about one of them.
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Let's talk about...
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What's race trader number one?
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Because I mean obviously we're going to be ranking them sooner or later.
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Who do you think?
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And I'll give you a clue.
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Okay.
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It's a lady.
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All right.
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I was 100% sure it was a lady.
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Yeah.
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You did not need to add that part.
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Do you want to...
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Should I give you another?
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I don't...
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Here's the problem.
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Congress.
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It feels like Pelosi and...
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Boom, baby!
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It is not.
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She's dead!
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Or close enough.
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No, that's fine.
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Oh, whichever one.
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Yeah, whatever.
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She's retired, though.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, she's number one.
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I'm just glad she can't hurt me anymore, let alone the rest of the world.
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Here's Nancy Pelosi a few years ago.
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Keep in mind, she was the Speaker of the House, third in line to the presidency.
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And this is part of a speech she gave on the House floor about demographic change.
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Watch this.
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I'm reminded of my own grandson.
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He's Irish, English, whatever, whatever, and Italian American.
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He's the mix.
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But he looks more like the other side of the family, shall we say.
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And when he had his fifth birthday, he had a very close friend.
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His name is Antonio, who's from Guatemala.
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And he has beautiful, tan skin, beautiful brown eyes, and the rest.
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And this was such a proud day for me because when my grandson blew out the candles on his
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cake, they said, did you make a wish?
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And he said, yes, I made a wish.
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He said, well, what is your wish?
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He said, I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio.
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So beautiful.
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So beautiful.
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The beauty is in the mix.
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The face of the future for our country is all American.
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And that has many versions.
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Imagine saying that.
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Kill her!
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Kill her!
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Jesus hasn't thought this through.
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But this is her own grandson.
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And he turns to her and says, Grandma, I wish I wasn't born white.
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I wish I was born with different eye color, different skin tone.
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That's just a poor career choice.
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I wish it was something that I'm not.
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I wish God didn't make me this way.
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Imagine if your own grandson said that you would break your heart.
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Why?
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What?
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Huh?
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You would break your heart.
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And by the way, it's only on this topic, I wish I wasn't white, that that's okay.
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If her grandson had said, Grandma, I wish I wasn't gay, she would have smacked him
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in the face with a ruler.
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You were born gay!
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Enjoy it!
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But when he says, I wish I wasn't white, she says, you're right.
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So this is a clip from an eight hour speech that Nancy Pelosi gave in February 2018 when
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she was trying to stop House Republicans who wanted to get rid of DACA.
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This was two hours into the speech, which was mostly her reading accounts of people
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who benefited from DACA, hoping to illustrate for the GOP who their actions were meant
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to hurt.
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So almost like they didn't care.
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Nope.
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It is true that Pelosi told the story about her grandson, but Tucker is playing this clip
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out of its full context.
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She's saying this, it's not like out of nowhere.
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Like she believes that there's something wrong with being white and there's something admirable
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about her grandson wanting to look like his friend Antonio.
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That's not the point or the context.
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This is a story that she tells after reading a letter from a DACA recipient who specifically
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talked about how stigmatized and alienated she felt in school because she had darker
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skin than her peers.
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The point of Pelosi's story isn't that it's good that her grandson doesn't want to be
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white, it's that it's heartening to think that maybe children don't have as much bigotry
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being imprinted on them as the last generation did.
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It's nice that her grandson sees a friend with darker skin and doesn't think that's
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weird or bad.
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It's obvious why Tucker plays this kind of game with context, but the only thing that
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really matters is to understand that he's doing it because he wants the opposite.
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He wants a world where his white children see kids at school with darker skin and think
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they're different.
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Yep.
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That's it.
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Thank god I'm not like them.
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The mongrels.
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Which is basically where, yeah, that's where we're at.
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Why even bother with basically?
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Just call, just say it, man.
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I'm running out of gas on this motherfucker.
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Yeah.
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Damn.
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It's a rough look.
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That's what I was saying.
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This is shocking.
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Yeah.
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Even by our standards, this is grim.
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I cannot imagine, because I've thought about it.
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I've thought about what it would be like to be in a George Wallace auditorium, to be with
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those people, to be with people who are what we would call centrists now, frothing at the
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mouth hoping to kill black people.
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It is like, how?
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How can you possibly fucking hear this and not go, this has to stop?
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Yeah.
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I don't know how anyone could hear this and not think you are fucking dangerous.
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This is dangerous shit.
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Try and displace yourself slightly in time and imagine listening to this 10 years after.
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Like having some kind of hindsight and hearing, just imagining what kind of shit we might
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have on the horizon and how this is going to look in the prism of history.
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It's just, I, yeah.
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The George Wallace rally is comparable.
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And it's all because one organ has less melanin and another organ, a flesh tube that fills
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with blood is more preferable than of folds of flesh that filled with blood.
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That's it.
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That's our whole world.
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It's a lot of it.
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I think that at this point, I think I should probably point out that there is a part of
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me that worries that this is almost becoming like gore.
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Yeah.
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You know, like, I wanted to look into like, okay, Alex had this response to ice shooting
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someone.
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What's Tucker's response?
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And then I hear it and I'm like, oh my fucking God.
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I don't feel like I want to keep that to myself, but it feels like torture porn.
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Yeah.
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After you've seen like three heads fly into the sky, there's like, okay, we've seen enough.
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Yeah.
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I said a lot of pretty explicit and overt stuff.
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We're not trying to solve a mystery here.
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While still somehow in your own mind, clinging to this, wherever these white nationalists
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are.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I never seen one.
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Motherfucker.
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Jesus Christ.
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All my friends are so cool.
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So anyway, Nancy Pelosi.
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How are we?
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Fine.
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Fine.
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Let's do Nancy Pelosi.
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She sucks.
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And man, it wouldn't work.
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Like she couldn't pull this shit if she was black.
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If she'd been black and gotten up and said, you know, my grandson said to me, my granddaughter
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had a white Barbie doll and said, grandma, I wish I had blonde hair and blue eyes.
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All of us would say, well, that's awful.
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God made you like this.
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It's sad to want to be something that you're not.
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You should be comfortable with the way you were made.
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Isn't that a kind of foundational modern American belief?
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Except when you're white, it's beautiful when you hate yourself.
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That's what she's saying.
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That's what she said on the house floor.
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She became the speaker of the house twice.
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That's not what she said.
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This game that Tucker is playing only works because of the removal of context from Pelosi's
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clip.
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She wasn't happy about whether or not her grandchild wanted to be white.
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She was happy to see a reflection of tolerance and his acceptance of his friend.
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Her grandchild doesn't see traits that would have drawn racist hate in the past as being
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bad and can actually imagine himself having those traits without being like, oh no, what
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would it be?
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Oh no.
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Conversely, the situation he's imagining where Pelosi is black and her grandchild says that
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she wants to be white, that's not a scenario that reflects tolerance.
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That's a desire to be different than what she is rooted in succumbing to racist pressure.
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It's a person giving up their connection to who they are in order to fit in.
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It's easy to understand this if you just imagine like a situation where a kid has two dads.
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In one version of the story, the kid has a friend who says, I wish I had two dads, which
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is pretty easy to understand, is not a reflection of that friend actually wanting his dad to
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be gay or a desire to be gay himself.
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It's a kid whose friend has two dads who sees that as normal, saying the sort of stuff that
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kids say.
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In the second version of this story, the kid with two dads says, I wish I didn't have two
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dads, which is very clearly a different thing.
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It's a kid reflecting a desire to be seen as normal, where he thinks that having two
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dads alienates him from his peers.
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They treat him differently and he wished that wasn't the case.
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You kind of have to be stupid to not understand the difference between these thoughts, and
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that's the act that Tucker's trying to pull off.
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Yeah.
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What's even more important, not only that those two are different, is that they are
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both rooted in the same thing that Tucker is doing, which is that the reason we have
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a reaction to the kid in one direction is because white people are the overwhelmingly
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dominant destructive force in the world of the United States.
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And the reason that we look at the other context and go, well, that's no good, is because white
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people are the dominant force in the United fucking States.
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Both of them are just the same, are different reactions to the same thing.
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Yes.
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The system that he's desperate to maintain and cling on to is the thing that exacerbates
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the negative parts of both of all of this.
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If you weren't so fucking racist, no one would care in either situation.
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If you weren't so fucking racist when that kid said, hey, I wish I had browner skin and
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brown eyes, everybody'd be like, fucking yeah, you wish you could fly.
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Who gives a shit?
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Your kid.
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Yeah.
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Or the other kid, I wish I had blonde hair.
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Don't we all?
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It's smooth, whatever.
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Who fucking cares?
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Right?
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It's only because Tucker is a racist that it matters in either situation.
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Yep.
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God damn it.
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So anyway, Pelosi.
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Yeah.
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What's she up to?
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Man, she hates those white people so much.
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And by the way, that's not compassion.
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That's hatred.
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That's saying to a six year old, no, you were born the wrong way.
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You are fundamentally flawed.
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There's nothing you can do about it.
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You're not as good as Antonio.
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And you never will be, you piece of shit.
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There's hatred.
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What is hatred?
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And it expresses itself.
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By the way, Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore and she grew up there when it was 85% white.
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How was it now?
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She doesn't go back very often.
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Things around the world are moving so fast right now, it's impossible to keep up with
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all of the changes.
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But we do know that when those changes happen, markets change too.
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And nothing changes faster than the price of precious metals, gold and silver.
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It just shifts in an instant because it is a reaction to and against what's happening
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in the world.
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So timing is essential.
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So this ad that Tucker is doing for precious metals is for a company called Battalion Metals,
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which he co-owns.
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It's weird because I think that anybody who's actually serious about precious metals doesn't
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need a Tucker Carlson gold company to get into the market.
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So the only people this is even going to attract as customers are Tucker fans who get
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scared by his content and think that gold will protect them.
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It's basically impossible for me to see this company and this ad as anything other than
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an explicit and knowing attempt to scam people.
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There's no way around it.
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Yeah, it's a scam.
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Look at these people.
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I can scam.
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It is putting a bunch of people into an enclosed space and being like, holy shit, can you believe
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how easy it is to shoot fish in a barrel?
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It's crazy.
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I'm selling you non-woke tobacco pouches.
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I'm selling you gold.
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I'll eat that.
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I'll put gold on.
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I don't want to be woke.
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Amazon movies about Melania.
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Oh man, I saw one of the...
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Dog telemedicine.
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What was it?
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I think MGM, their slogan used to be movies for movies sake.
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And I don't know if it might be, but I was watching it and the opening came up, you know,
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in the title card and the MGM and it had movies for movies sake and then Amazon studios shows
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up right over top of it.
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And I was like, boy, you guys got to get rid of that.
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The movies are movies takes has got to be gone now.
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Yeah.
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Movies for tax write off sake.
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Yeah, exactly.
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God, garbage.
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Just a bunch of shit.
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So anyway, buy that gold.
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Incidentally gold and silver prices just went real down.
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Way down.
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Yeah.
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I bet that really hurt Tucker and all of his listeners were fine.
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So anyway, Mom Donnie, he's the mayor of New York now.
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And his, you know, that lady who works for him on the renters thing, the head of the
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renters.
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Yeah.
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She hates white people.
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Oh no.
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A rental authority lady said recently white people own too much.
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They should rent like everyone else.
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Really?
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That's not justice.
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That's not equity.
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That's hatred.
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That's undisguised hostility toward people for how they look.
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But because they are increasingly a defeated people, that's not only okay, it's encouraged.
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You don't want to be on the wrong side of that.
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Not because you're a white supremacist and love only white people.
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That's insane.
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God made every person, every human being was created by God.
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Period.
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It's not a matter of loving only people who look like you, loving only whites or blacks
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or whatever.
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It's a matter of not hating people on the basis of how they were born.
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But these dynamics don't change much because there's something in people that wants to
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crush and humiliate the vanquished.
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Every single time.
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And you'd like to think that this nation is exceptional in the sense that that wouldn't
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happen here, but there's no evidence of it at all.
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As whites become a smaller proportion of the US population every year, louder become the
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calls to hate whites.
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More open becomes the hatred, the hostility, the threats of violence.
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Crimes against white people like, well, I don't know, the perpetrator was black, you're
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white.
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Every single American knows.
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That's what you got?
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Those crimes are not punished as vigorously or as harshly as the reverse.
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Everyone knows that and accepts it.
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It's not true that crimes against white people aren't treated the same by cops or the courts,
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but it's how Tucker feels.
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And more importantly, how he wants the audience to feel.
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So he just treats this like an unquestioned tenant of faith.
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And apparently that AI blurb from earlier was too emotional.
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I think this is maybe the most nakedly racist piece of content that I've seen from someone
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as high profile as Tucker in the time that I've been doing this.
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It may be hard to remember at this point, but this is his response to ICE shooting a
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woman in her car.
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This is kind of crazy that he's not really talking about the specifics of that at all.
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Choosing instead to abstractly defend ICE's right to terrorize the population because
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they're upholding the natural order Tucker demands exist where white people are the
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majority and have all the power.
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And in order to not talk about that shooting, he will talk about the church, but the church
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protest was in response to the shooting.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I guess it really is all about the pitch.
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The pitch to people that Tucker is looking for is this.
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Yeah, I know you don't like that, but what's better than what's worse?
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No order.
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Is that what you want?
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So yeah, you get sure, sure.
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We murder a bunch of brown people and you feel bad about that, but that's why you get
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to have a fucking mall with coals in it.
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That's what you get.
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That's the trade off.
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We kill the brown people.
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You get your mall.
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That's the whole pitch, right?
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Yeah.
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More or less.
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That's basically it.
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I mean, later on he talks to the pastor or one of the pastors who's associated with that
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church and he's literally defending all of this and being like, it's either Christ or
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chaos.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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That's the pitch.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this is maybe the fourth time so far in the episode that you have almost on the
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nose nailed a clip we're going to play later.
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What is the worst thing that somebody could say?
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I'll try that out.
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Oh, it's what he says later.
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Surprise.
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Yeah.
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It's what a clergy member says later.
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Awesome.
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Yeah, that's great.
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Fuck.
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Yeah.
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I think there might be a battle over Christendom that Christendom is getting their ass kicked
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on.
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So anyway, whites are treated unfairly by the law.
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Sure.
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And this Minnesota, this situation in Minneapolis, it's really showing that.
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Yes.
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There's no such thing as equality under the law.
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If you can be punished more lightly or more severely based on your race, your ethnicity,
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your religion, we're all in trouble.
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All of us.
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First of all, we're all degraded because that's the definition of immoral.
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Blood guilt is not real despite what our leaders tell us.
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And it's totally possible that you and your group, your community are going to wind up
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on the wrong side of that someday.
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But for right now, it's very obvious that whites are on the wrong side of that.
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And you can tell by the behavior of the people at the ICE protests.
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So this was Minneapolis just a couple of nights ago.
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This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white because Minneapolis, one of the last big cities
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in America with a sizable white population running into a church and threatening the
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parishioners in the church.
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I would suggest that there isn't a right side of that equation to be on.
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If Tucker is, he's obsessed with this saying that whites are on the wrong side of it.
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You don't want to be on the wrong side of it.
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You also don't want to be on the right side of it because it's fucking garbage.
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I have made up an equation that allows me to kill people.
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Do you want to be involved in any part of this equation?
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Yeah.
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No.
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You don't want to be on that side though.
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No, you definitely don't want to be on that side.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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Cool, man.
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What part of the Nazi equation do you want to be on?
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The one where there's no Nazis.
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Yeah, I'm not playing.
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No equation with Nazis in it is good.
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Yeah, and that's bad.
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Yeah.
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So it's important to understand that Tucker doesn't care about people being treated fairly
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under the law.
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This is just his current version of an inarguable point that he's using to mask his actual argument.
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Yeah.
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And taking it seriously means the joke's on you.
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Yeah.
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Tucker says that Minneapolis is one of the last big cities in the United States with
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a sizable white population.
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And to that I say, excuse me?
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Mm-hmm.
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Minneapolis is about 430,000 people and it's about 60% white.
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Sure.
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Here's a list of US cities with larger populations and higher percentages of white residents.
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Virginia Beach, Omaha, Colorado Springs, Mesa, Albuquerque, Portland, Louisville, Denver.
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And there are a ton that are fucking close.
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I was going to say, I could name about eight of them.
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There's way more that are like right about at 60 or a little bit below.
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And this is just bullshit.
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Leaving aside that what Tucker's saying is inaccurate, it's also just an insane way to
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look at the world and communities.
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And I reject it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is something that like his inarguable point should be the sign if you're listening to
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this that you don't want to listen to this.
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Like the idea of if we're not equal under the law, we're all in trouble.
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If you're not equal in race, we're all in trouble.
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It's the same fucking thing.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't seem to want to look at the power dynamics that he's discussing and thinking
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about like how they're corrupt and how we don't need them.
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Yeah.
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Instead he just wants to be the killer as opposed to the killed.
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And I think that sucks.
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It's cowardly.
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And boy, you'd think that based on the rest of his career and...
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Yeah, you'd think you'd do this.
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Nevermind.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, this is exactly what you'd expect.
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Yeah.
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It's just going to be a real bummer how many people are going to be allowed to say they
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didn't say shit like this.
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Yup.
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That's going to be the bummer.
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Yup.
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And I don't know.
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I think we've gone so many times through this cycle of like, well, I know you said that
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shit but it's too hard to re-litigate now where it's like, no, fuck you.
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You said it, go fucking eat it.
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Yeah.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Yeah.
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God damn.
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I was thinking about that, like there's no bridge back.
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No.
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You're gone.
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No.
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You're eating off a toilet seat for the rest of your fucking life if I have anything to
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say about it.
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So look, these protesters that went into that church.
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Yup.
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They fucking hate God.
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I bet they do.
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And whites.
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Oh, I bet they do.
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A bunch of, of course, primarily white because Minneapolis, one of the last big cities in
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America with a sizable white population, running into a church and threatening the parishioners
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in the church.
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And you've probably seen footage of this, but listen carefully to the clip you're about
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to hear and you can hear effectively racial epithets aimed at white people.
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So-
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Oh my God.
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Oh my God.
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Oh my God.
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Oh no.
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And they hate whites.
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White Christians.
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Now that's familiar.
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Very familiar.
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There's a lot of hatred toward white Christians.
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Now where does that come from?
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The stuff they've done?
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Obviously spiritual at its root, like everything.
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The Spanish Inquisition.
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I don't know if you understand exactly why that group is targeted around the world, but
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we know that it is.
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Certainly that's one of the primary motives in going to war against Russia, destroying
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Ukraine.
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So I just want to take a moment to reflect on how Tucker is very clearly saying that
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he believes that the devil is trying to destroy white Christians.
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Yes, that is exactly what he is saying right now.
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I think that's how he should be treated, is someone who believes that.
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Because he's saying that.
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The devil's trying to kill white Christians.
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There you go.
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Yeah, dude.
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What a weird devil.
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You got a very strange devil.
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I was thinking about this too while I was getting this ready.
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Is this really that different than Pat Robertson saying that gay people cause tornadoes?
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Nope, not at all.
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It's not really.
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Really.
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But Tucker doesn't think of himself as Pat Robertson.
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We just need to.
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That's who he is.
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No, it is that Pat Robertson is not saying something that is outside on the fringes.
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Pat Robertson is saying something that is inside and other people mask that by saying
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other things.
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Pat Robertson's belief that gay people cause hurricanes is identical to any other belief
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of like, oh, well, the reason I don't like gay people is because they degrade society
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or because they blankety blank.
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It's not real.
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None of it's real.
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What's inside is the idea that gay people are wrong.
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No, no, no.
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I gotcha.
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I gotcha.
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Yeah, no, but that's what I'm.
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I agree with you.
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The reason that I'm drawing the parallel to the hurricanes thing is that like, it's less
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about the, you know, the hatred that's underneath it and more about the willingness to be a
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public figure who's talking about magic.
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It's more like that was something that like, that was, that was a pretty niche set that
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we all kind of laughed at.
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Yeah.
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I think that's where Tucker's positioning himself.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't know.
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I, I, I have such a strange history with that cause I remember being asked by my church,
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a librarian to read the first Harry Potter book to make sure that there wasn't too much
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satanic imagery for the other kids to read about.
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I mean, if someone's going to get cursed by the book, it might as well be you.
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It's like that in, in my childhood when I was like nine or whatever, that was okay.
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That was like, Oh, well that's a reasonable ask.
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We got to make sure that these kids aren't seeing magic, right?
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Like two points.
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Yeah.
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One, I don't think you should use your upbringing as a fair point.
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That's a fair point.
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That's all I'm saying is I don't have the correct perspective on this to share with
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the common man, if you will.
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But my second point on that is, yeah, there was some magical nonsense and bullshit in
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my religious upbringing too.
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And I think that it's fine for some of that stuff to exist in like niche, weird religious
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stuff.
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But Tucker's pretending to be political.
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Yeah.
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Go fuck with snakes, man.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Go be Tex Mars.
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Stay out of politics and just be like, look at me hanging onto these snakes now worship
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me.
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That makes more sense to me.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, the West destroyed Ukraine because it's too Christian.
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Because it's too Christian?
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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I'll buy that.
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Ukraine was destroyed by the West, by the way.
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It was destroyed by Washington and Brussels who pushed Russia into this war.
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They wanted this war.
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They said they wanted this war.
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They got the war.
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Very few of their people have been killed in the war, but hundreds and hundreds of the
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likely over a million Ukrainians have been killed in this war.
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Do you think Ukraine will be majority Ukrainian in 100 years?
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You think the land in Ukraine will be owned by Ukrainians in 20 years?
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No, of course not.
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You won't be Russia that did that.
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It'll be the West.
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And you have to wonder why.
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Well, the fact that Ukraine was white and Christian, one of the last big concentrations
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of white Christians on the planet, maybe that had something to do with it.
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Of course it did.
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Obviously.
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That's not a far right conspiracy theory.
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It's the truth.
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This isn't a far right conspiracy theory.
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It's just boring old white identity Nazi shit.
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Like it's not new.
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It's not fresh.
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It's not interesting.
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None of this shit means anything that's worth arguing about.
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Like what does Tucker even mean when he says that Ukraine is one of the last big white
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Christian countries?
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Percentage wise countries like Romania and Armenia have more Christians than Ukraine.
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And if he doesn't think those places are the right kind of white, then Tucker can go ahead
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and explain Poland.
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This is just a white supremacist show.
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There's no ifs, ands, or buts.
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And it is so like, the world's too big for this now because you can't pull this shit
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without exactly what you're saying.
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Stop it with white.
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What even is it?
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Once you leave the United States is fucked up Nazi version of white that we've lived
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with as though that's fine from our beginning, right?
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Then now you get into the world of whiteness and it's like, that could be fucking anything.
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That could be fucking anything.
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Why is it?
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Why aren't there Egyptians white?
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Like it's a fucking bullshit of all of this.
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It's absurd.
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Let's approach this from another angle too.
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God damn it.
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What is Christian?
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Right?
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I'll tell you what.
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Some countries are 90 something percent Christian and Tucker probably thinks it's like three.
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Yeah.
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Because those aren't real Christians.
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I'll tell you what.
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I would be shocked if I'm going to go through my book again.
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I've read it a few times, but I've read the Bible a few times and I would be shocked if,
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oh yeah, and I should totally be a pastor is in there.
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I would be shocked.
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You know what else is shocking?
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How much of that book is about white people and how much they need to be in control of
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government.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That was basically all of the second Thessalonians was about, right?
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It was like, hey buddy, whiteness over everything.
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And everyone was shocked because first Thessalonians, not about that at all.
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Not at all.
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Like it was like the letter that they sent back must've been fucking crazy because the
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one he followed up with, ah.
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Crazy sophomore effort.
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Yeah.
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So Tucker said that this protester who went into the church basically was throwing out
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some white epithets.
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Sure.
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Throwing out some slurs.
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That's right.
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I was interested to know which ones we were going to deal with.
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Well, this clip is like almost three minutes long and I'm playing it in its entirety.
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Not because it's interesting.
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Nope.
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But because Tucker said that and I don't want to look like I'm editing something out.
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So the same attitudes that did that, that are at work in Canada, Australia, New Zealand,
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and very much here in the United States, were sort of distilled in the clip you're about
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to see from a church a couple of days ago in Minneapolis.
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Watch this.
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Justice for?
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Leko!
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Justice for?
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Renee Gunn!
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Renee Gunn!
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Where are you?
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Where are you?
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Where are your people?
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This is the hassle.
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Why are you not at Whipple every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people?
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Where are you?
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You drink your coffee, you got your jewelry, you have your nice clothes, but what do you
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do?
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What do you do to stand for your Somali and Latino communities?
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I'm not gonna comment.
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You have no comment.
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Exactly.
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Say her name!
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Say her name!
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Say her name!
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Say her name!
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Say her name!
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Renee Gunn!
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Say her name!
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Renee Gunn!
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All these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children
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are dragged into concentration camps, you're living real life, nice lives with your lattes,
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doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters.
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You come here to a man wearing a suit as a preacher?
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Did Jesus wear a suit?
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Did Jesus profit off the word?
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No!
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Jesus would die within us.
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You do not touch me.
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Touch me again and see what happens.
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You are a fake Christian.
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Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities?
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Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity?
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Where are you?
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You're sinners.
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You're pretending to be Christians.
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But we know you live an easy life, don't you?
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A very easy life while people are starving.
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Shame!
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Man.
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Is that man capable of violence?
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Well, he's committing it, of course.
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Disrupting a church service?
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Oh, scandal.
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People who are committing no crime, have done nothing wrong, screaming at him for being
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white Christians?
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That's it right there.
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That's it right there.
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And you should know that that's not the last clip like that you're going to see, not just
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tonight, but in the future, because that's the animating spirit behind what you're watching.
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No one is making an economic case for mass migration.
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Nobody is making an economic case for keeping tens of millions of illegals in this country
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because there isn't an economic case for it.
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There is no case that begins with, let me tell you how this will make our country better.
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No one even makes that case.
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The case they're making is we are replacing the people who founded this country, who built
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the system for themselves, by the way, with a brand new people who have very little in
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common with those people.
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And why are we doing that?
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Because we hate those people.
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So epithets.
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I was expecting at least a honky.
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I was expecting a honky.
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Because Cracker is not even, that doesn't even count.
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I was underwhelmed.
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That was pathetic.
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If Tucker thinks that's racist against white people, then the only thing I can say is that
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Tucker is the softest little baby on earth.
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And I made clear earlier that I think that a protest disrupting a church service is a
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dicey call, and I can respect some criticism of that.
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So my feeling about his softness is even taking that into consideration.
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I feel like I'm saying it after every clip, but it's just like, it feels shocking what
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Tucker is like.
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He just thinks he can get away with anything because he can.
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I mean, come on, man.
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It is like, how...
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What is it?
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What is it in the brain?
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Because there's got to be something.
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What is it in the brain that will allow you to be primed?
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You know, like that Tucker saying, oh, they even shouted racial epithets towards white
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people.
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And they fucking didn't.
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But after that clip was played in its entirety, everybody who's a fan of Tucker listening
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to it was like, I can't believe they would shout such white racial epithets.
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I felt scared.
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Like there is a priming somewhere that I just, I don't have it, man.
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No.
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And I think that, yeah, I think slick media is good at getting you to think whatever you
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have just heard or whatever you're hearing is like confirmation of what was just said.
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And yeah, I don't know.
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I think it's just his gift.
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And then there's that appeal to authority where it's like, well, he said it.
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So I maybe misheard it because he's the authority on the whole thing or whatever it is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you know what?
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Like I'm willing to say that that priming element is part of it.
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Yeah.
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And I think some of it, people like in his audience just would think those were epithets.
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They really are just that soft.
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Yeah.
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They're weak.
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That's that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think I'm going to skip this clip because it's Tucker complaining about Don
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Lemon because Don Lemon was along for the protest.
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He was reporting on the protest.
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All right, fine.
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You know what?
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No, I'm calling an audible.
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I am going to play it.
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Good.
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This Don Lemon guy hates white people.
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All right.
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And it's not just deranged protesters who are making that case.
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So are former CNN anchors.
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Here's Don Lemon who was part of that protest.
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He was covering it in the way that journalists often cover events.
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They help organize.
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Not like Nick Sartor.
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They're offensive fence.
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They're foot soldiers.
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We're just covering it.
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Okay.
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Here's Don Lemon going on some podcast with angry middle aged rich ladies to talk about
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how virtuous it is to scream at whites in Minneapolis.
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Watch this.
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There's a certain degree of racism there.
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And there's a certain degree of entitlement.
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I think people who are in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity
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that I practice.
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But I think that they're entitled and that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white
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supremacy.
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And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country when
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actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom.
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It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian and only if you're a white male.
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Huh?
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I mean, it's hard to, you don't ever want to take Don Lemon literally because he's disconnected
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from reality.
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And you can say, well, actually he's got a white boyfriend and he lives in the Hamptons
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who's entitled here.
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But it's fruitless and it diminishes you to rebut a Don Lemon rant to some facelift lady
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on the specifics because the specifics don't matter because it doesn't make any sense.
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It doesn't need to make sense.
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All you need to understand is the spirit behind it, which is hate, hate and resentment and
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the desire for revenge.
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That's what this is.
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There's no other explanation that anyone's even offered up other than the desire for
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revenge.
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And so really it's time to just be completely honest.
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This is an act of hatred and aggression toward the population of the United States, American
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citizens, people who were born here, people whose grandparents were born here.
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They are hated by the people in charge and have been for a long time.
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And the plan, which is pretty close to completion actually, it's not a distant goal, it's like
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almost here, is to replace them, render them powerless.
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And if people like Don Lemon have any say over it, hurt them.
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Just listen to what they say.
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You don't have to conspiracy theorize.
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Just open your eyes and listen and you can tell what they have planned for you because
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it's happened in a lot of places.
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It always happens.
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And so these are fights worth having actually because it's not about preserving racial purity.
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It's about preserving your country in recognizable form, preserving your life and the lives of
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your children.
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It's fascinating how explicit Tucker is comfortable being now.
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He feels like having less white people around him is somehow doing him harm.
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And there's no reason that a person should have to harm themselves.
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So he's entitled to support forcefully removing immigrants from the country.
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At the end there, Tucker says that this isn't about racial purity.
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It's about preserving the country so it's recognizable for your children.
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This isn't him saying that he disagrees with the people arguing for racial purity.
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It's him giving a slightly different spin.
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If you want to forcefully impose a white majority on the population so the blood stays pure,
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that sounds racist.
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But if you want to forcefully impose a white majority on the population so you can keep
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power away from people who look different than you, that's cool and political.
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I do agree with him though.
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This is a fight worth having.
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It's not an argument worth having, but if he wants to fight, I think I'd fight him.
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Well if one argument, if we're having an argument and on one side somebody says, see, white
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people are like Bill and the rest of the world is Beatrix Kiddo, then the other side of the
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argument is go home.
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Go home.
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Stay there.
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Just watch your movies by yourself.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I also love, I fucking can't get enough of like Don Lemon lives in false reality.
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I was attacked by a demon.
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I'm so connected with reality.
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I woke up with claw marks from the devil on me.
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I chose the moment you said Tucker to try and avoid the, even at the beginning with
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his run on sentence, to try and be like, hey listen, this pot calls kettles fucking black.
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Oh yeah.
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You just got to let that go.
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Yeah.
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Move on.
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This is a black pot calling that kettle black as shit.
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That's what it is.
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That's what we're doing.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of real projecting gaslighting.
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Oh man, you gaslighting piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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Also Don Lemon got arrested for reporting on that church protest.
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Yeah, well there you go.
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I have no idea what higher consequence Tucker wants the government to impose on him beyond
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violating his first amendment rights.
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You know, those rights that were so important back when Tucker needed to defend his slur
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buddies.
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Super important.
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Yeah man.
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What does he want?
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Can you imagine demonetizing somebody's YouTube channel just for something they said?
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Just for something they said.
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And now look, now look at what happens.
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Now I can cheer as the government beats Don Lemon up for a day.
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Great.
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Yeah.
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Cause he hates white people.
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Cause he hates white people.
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Jesus Christ, man.
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So anyway, a white guy comes on.
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I swear to you.
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I swear to you.
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I hate white people more than anybody else.
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Nancy Pelosi?
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Way more.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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So Nick Sartor comes on.
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Yeah.
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And he's got some breaking news that actually he kind of debunks himself.
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Nick, can you, first of all, thank you for doing that.
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This is a true public service, I think, to bring this to the public.
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What did we just see?
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Can you give some context?
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Yeah.
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So Tucker, what I'll tell you is this happened not far from downtown Minneapolis.
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So there are police everywhere all the time, right?
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I mean, it's, it's pretty, it's a pretty concentrated area with, uh, with police.
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And these riders had two hours, two hours to go through multiple FBI vehicles.
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There's another vehicle that was parked right behind this one where they were able, they
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had enough time and they weren't worried about Minneapolis police showing up.
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So they took a tow strap out of the back of a pickup truck, mounted it to, and tied
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it around, uh, the weapons locker and the other vehicle mounted it to the pickup truck
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and yanked it out that way.
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Uh, and they're not worried at all about any repercussions from Minneapolis PD.
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As soon as it happened, I went over to Minneapolis PD who I figured out were about a block away
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from there.
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And I gave them the information.
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I gave them the description of the individual.
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I gave them the video.
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I let them take a picture of the person's face.
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I gave them the license plate number as well as the car that he was in this guy that just
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stole not just a rifle, but a select fire rifle, an automatic rifle from an FBI vehicle.
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They chose not to go after the vehicle that they could see down the street.
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He hadn't even left yet, but these cowards that are at the higher ranks of MPD, they're
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under people like Jacob Fry, who was basically mayor soy boy.
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That's what I prefer to call them.
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Uh, at the bottom, got them.
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Uh, they've been cucked.
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I don't know why I was to say it, Tucker.
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They, uh, if you, if you knew in a city in, let's say a rural Georgia, that somebody just
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stole an automatic rifle and you see them in your sights, those Sheriff's departments
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are going to go after them immediately.
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They're not going to let them get away.
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So by the time Nick is doing this interview, the guy who stole the gun in that video had
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already been apprehended.
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He's over here on Nazi chat shows whining about how no one's doing anything and all
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the lib cops are cucked when someone had actually done something already.
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Also, it was an FBI guy's guns.
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This may be a federal crime.
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It might not be something that the local cops could even deal with.
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I get that Nick Sartor is very scandalized by this crime, but it's not that uncommon
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for guns to get stolen from cops.
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The trace reported in 2018 that they'd reviewed records from quote more than a hundred law
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enforcement agencies and found that they had collectively reported the loss or theft of
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at least 1,781 guns between 2008 and 2017.
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Four of those guns were fully automatic machine guns.
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Sure.
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One of the guns, not one of the machine guns, just one of the guns was actually taken from
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a high school bathroom where a cop just left it.
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Ah, that'll happen.
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Forgot it there.
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That'll happen.
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I mean, you can't train everybody.
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Of all those 1,781 guns, the outlet could only confirm that 239 of them had been recovered
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ever.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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So a lot of those went missing.
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I think the point we're trying to get here is there's just so many fucking guns.
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A lot of them.
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That the government can lose a thousand of them and be like, eh, we'll replace it.
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I'm not saying that if you steal a gun from a cop's car, you shouldn't get arrested.
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Sure.
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It's not something that requires suspending the constitution unless you're a fucking baby
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or you're just desperate to try and find the justification to suspend the constitution.
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Nick Sordor sounds like a fucking baby.
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In fact, I know somebody in Missouri from when I was growing up.
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Who stole a cop's gun.
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Yup.
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Yup.
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Stole a gun right out of a cop's car.
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And here's the thing.
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I was thinking about it and I don't remember how that story ends.
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So I think he got away with it.
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I mean, because I think he'd be dead if he didn't.
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We should write it that he did get away with it.
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I don't think he's dead.
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Then there we go.
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Yeah.
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Works for me.
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I feel like there would be a dramatic end of the story if he didn't get away with it.
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Right.
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I mean, I don't know.
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Most people don't listen.
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Most crimes aren't that bad.
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Like if that makes sense, you know, like even with most crimes, you could still have a conversation
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with somebody and they'd be like, yeah, you're right.
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I probably shouldn't have fucked up like that.
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Oh yeah.
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Like that's most crimes.
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Oh yeah.
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This guy was like, what the fuck did I do?
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Like very quickly after.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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If somebody had come up to him and been like, you steal that gun?
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He'd been like, it was a huge fuck up.
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I am so sorry.
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That's most crimes.
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Yeah.
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Very few people who commit crimes are also like, yeah, and I'm going to fucking kill
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you.
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Nobody does that.
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Not, not a lot.
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Anyway, what I'm saying is that maybe he should look at things in perspective.
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Maybe.
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And now granted, I think that I try to be as fair as I can.
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And if there were some kind of like, you know, right wing protest that was going on and like
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they had stolen a gun out of like at the Malheur wildlife refuge, if they'd stolen an FBI agent's
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gun, I don't think you need to send in the military.
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I think you probably should arrest that person.
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That's a crime they committed.
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But like, I don't know.
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I mean, most crimes could probably be solved the next day by like knocking on their door,
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calling ahead, being like, Hey, come on.
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We know you committed that crime.
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You want to, you want to negotiate this better?
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Yeah.
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Can we just mulligan this one?
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Yeah.
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Like, Hey, listen, you get to give us the gun back and we get to give you not a 10 year
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criminal sentence.
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How about that?
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We all fucked up.
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You stole the gun.
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I shouldn't have let you steal that gun.
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Boom.
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That is on me.
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Anyway, I'm going to cut through some of Nick Sartor's bullshit.
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Cause basically he's just wanting the army to come in.
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Sure.
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And well, that'll help crush everyone.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I mean, these FBI agents that are out there like that, FBI agents, DHS agents, they're
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not trained in crowd control, right?
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That's not their, not their job, but there are federal resources to handle that.
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And we're not using them.
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We're putting them on standby.
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And I'm starting like, I, I, I'm a big supporter of the Trump administration.
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I think they're doing a fantastic job, but I'm a little worried that we're sleeping on
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what's actually going on in Minneapolis because some polls came out saying that, Oh, well,
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some people don't approve of what's going on with ICE operations.
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And so like the administration is a little bit fearful.
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I think I'll say of deploying troops into the streets to restore order because they
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don't like the poll numbers that are coming out.
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And you know what?
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80 million people voted for this to happen, right?
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I personally think maybe those poll numbers, if they're even real, some of the reason that
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people say they're not approving of the job that ICE is doing is because they're not deporting
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enough people.
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Well, of course, right?
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You, you, you go and talk to people in middle America.
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I'm from Kentucky originally Tucker, right?
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So I, I gauge my dad, who's an HVAC technician down there and all his friends.
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Like I try to get their opinion on just people that are just normal, uh, everyday blue collar
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people.
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And they're all saying the same thing.
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Like they're not seeing any arrests.
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Uh, they're not seeing, uh, the deportations that they were asking for.
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So if the poll numbers are dropping, that has a lot to do with it.
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Not because people think that ICE is being too aggressive.
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So I think those numbers are being misinterpreted.
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See this is how you can tell that Nick Sartor is a journalist who does the work and he gets
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the big picture.
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Trump's poll numbers are going down after federal agents shot a woman in the face.
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And his suspicion is that maybe the approval rating is dropping because they aren't being
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aggressive enough.
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Yeah.
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And that's not just something he imagined.
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No.
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He talked to his dad and his dad's friends in Kentucky to really gauge the average American.
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See what they think about this stuff.
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Cause you can't trust those polls.
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No.
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They're, they're, they're fucking selectively biased.
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They choose a specific group of people who all share a very similar background and region
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and growth and skin color and are my dad.
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Yeah.
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They, these polls fail to capture the related to me demographic.
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Fucking asshole.
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If they're even real.
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Yeah.
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I talked to my dad and he said, great.
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You know, I was thinking about this, listening to those two talk.
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And then I thought like all of our movies about world war II have the Nazis, uh, you
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know, with their uniforms and looking very imposing.
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But I'm listening to them and I'm thinking the reason you got to have a Hitler or a Trump
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is because the rest of the people are fucking dorks.
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They're these dorks.
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That's who the Nazis really were.
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They got a lunatic to head bang for a while and that got people on board.
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But these are the dorks.
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These are the dorks who get concentration camps and shit like that.
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Little whiny, like, well, I talked to my dad.
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Fuck off.
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These are the dorks.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Steve Miller.
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These are the fucking dorks all the way down.
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Losers.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So, um, I'm going to skip past this next clip cause it's just a Tucker being like, where
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are the people who took out Maduro when you need them?
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Like what?
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Wow.
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Well, all right.
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So we're doing that.
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You can overthrow Venezuela and you can't suppress a city.
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You can't take over an American city.
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Come on.
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It is, it is actually pretty hard to take over an American city.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, after Nick Sartor leaves, uh, Tucker has another guest.
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And it is this guy from that church.
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Oh yeah.
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Uh, but not really.
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Oh, he's a guy who started that church.
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Uh, and then now isn't there anymore.
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Oh, that's smart.
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So we played you that footage of the protesters attacking people in church for being white
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and Christian.
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Um, that was in St. Paul, I think.
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Cities church in St. Paul, Minnesota.
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Joe Rigney is one of the founders of that church, I believe.
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And I hope he'll pardon me if I've mangled any of his bio, but he joins us now.
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Joe, thanks so much for doing this.
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Um, tell us about what happened at that church.
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Yeah, so that's my former church.
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I was a planting pastor at the church.
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I'm no longer there.
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I live in Idaho now.
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So I take back what I said earlier about the protest at that church being an iffy choice.
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I fully take it all back.
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There clearly was more of a reason that they chose that location for a demonstration than
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meets the eye.
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Yep.
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Joe Rigney is a pastor who came to some national attention for writing a book about how empathy
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can be a sin and also for getting the boot from the Bethlehem College and Seminary for
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his ties to Christian nationalism.
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Sure.
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After that, he moved to Idaho where he now works with another pastor who Tucker has interviewed
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named Doug Wilson, and they run what Politico has described as a quote, theocratic regime
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in a small town there.
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That's nice.
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If this is the guy who founded the cities church in Minnesota, then it's very clear
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that that's a place that preaches Christian nationalism.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's more of a political target for a protest than a regular congregation.
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Yeah.
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I was willing to give all kinds of latitude and it is not earned.
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Yeah.
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No, you put a swastika on a church that's on you.
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Yeah.
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It is no longer deserved.
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Nope.
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The care and concern that I was trying to give this story, or maybe I'm wrong.
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You could be.
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It's because this Joe guy.
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Well, let's see what he has to say about it.
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You know what he has to say about it?
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What?
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This is a normal church.
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Oh, good.
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So normal.
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I bet it is.
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This is the violence on the left of normal Christian people.
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And I just want to, I think I want to underscore that piece of it.
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These are not, these are not political activists.
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This is not a political church.
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These are normal Bible believing evangelicals.
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The mission of the church, the way that they talk since the beginning, when we planted
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the church and they've continued, this is real basic.
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They have a number of very clear priorities, what they care about.
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And if you asked any of them, they would say, we're here because we want to worship
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Jesus.
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He's the most, he's real.
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Jesus is real.
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And he's the most important person in the universe.
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He's the only hope of the world.
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There's salvation and no one else that you're going to want to tell you that.
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And they're going to say, we want to love each other as Christians.
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And then they're going to say, and we're here to seek the good of these cities.
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We've not given up on these cities.
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And we're normal.
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I hate that this is a situation we're in because like I was more than willing to give the benefit
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of the doubt that this is kind of no good to protest in a way that disrupts a church
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service.
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But this guy's laying it on too thick for this not to be trolling.
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One thing that normal churches don't usually say is we're totally a normal church.
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That's usually the kind of thing you hear from big time weirdos and creeps who are hiding
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behind religion.
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I'll be the first to admit that I don't know enough about the city's church to make any
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kind of authoritative statement on what does or doesn't go on there.
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But the criticism that they've received over the years and the criticism that Joe Rigney
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has received about his theology does not just come from the left.
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He was part of a Baptist organization and he preached a couple things that were out
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of line with standard doctrine.
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One of the issues was that the Christian nationalism piece, but another major problem had to do
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with baptizing children.
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Child baptism is a messy question among different Christian faiths because regardless of whether
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or not you think it's important, you kind of have to think that the other side is damning
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children to hell.
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Yep.
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And then you think to which side you're on, you're like, oh, those people.
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Many Protestant denominations support child baptism, but the Baptists typically hold to
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the belief that there's not something magical about baptism and that a person is saved by
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God's grace before or after baptism.
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It's all the same.
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So it's reserved for a person after they can make a credible affirmation of their own faith.
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It's a social thing.
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Yeah.
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It's for demonstrating to the community that you have become one of them.
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Yeah, that's what it is.
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Many has supported the recognition of child baptisms, which is out of step with the Baptists
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and was part of him having to run off to this cult in Ohio.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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Or Idaho, excuse me.
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I've dug around a little bit and I've come to the conclusion that everything points to
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- this is a political church.
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This is - the criticism of it long predates this protest.
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The people who are pointing fingers at this guy who seeded, planted the church, it's not
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all just coming from left-wing people.
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There's Christian criticisms as well.
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Yeah.
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America's history with Christianity is really interesting because it is a massive amalgamation
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of low-level cults left and right.
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But the only way to get through American society with your cult intact is to say that you're
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Christians.
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Like the Mormons somehow got through the - they got over the hill because they almost got
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murdered.
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Yeah, there are a ton of groups that all consider themselves Christians that have less in common
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than social clubs and a Christian organization.
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Totally.
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100 percent.
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It's a very - it's a tough adjective now.
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Yeah.
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So Tucker is like, hey, man, this protest, they were trying to attack Jesus.
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Sure.
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But - and I don't think we should make a mistake.
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Jesus was the target.
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It's not that they're an ICE agent who they could have hassled at his house or at his
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job or whatever.
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White Jesus was the target, to be clear.
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The target was Jesus.
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I'm sure you've seen the famous photograph from the Spanish Civil War, the opening months
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of the Spanish Civil War, where the communist forces surround a statue of Jesus and open
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fire on it, a statue, because they were more straightforward then.
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Like that's the enemy.
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And I do think it puts it in the right frame.
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To Tucker, this probably makes total sense.
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These protests were targeting and trying to take down Jesus, because to him, one of Jesus'
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most important issues is protecting the feelings of white dudes.
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Of course.
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It's a tension-grabbing and maybe a bit sensational to protest at a church, but it's
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also not something that never happens.
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Regardless of whether or not the act of protesting at a church service is acceptable, the protesters
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in this case were there to confront Christians with their own standards.
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These were Christians saying, how can you profess to hold this faith and do nothing
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while this shit's going on?
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The aim wasn't to tear down Jesus.
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It was to tear down the idea that Jesus would support ICE.
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The disconnect is that Tucker and his ilk genuinely think that Jesus would be a white
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nationalist and that Christians who don't agree with them aren't really following Jesus.
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Yep.
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The protesters saying that Jesus wouldn't support ICE is the same to him as them saying
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Jesus isn't real.
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It feels the same to him because they're both a refutation of something he holds sacred.
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And until he deals with that honestly...
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Yeah, you know, we've talked about this, I think you and I off-air more, but it is a
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fundamental disrespecting of somebody else's beliefs to not meet them where they are.
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If you are coming to somebody who believes that Jesus was a white nationalist, it is
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exactly as disrespectful for you to be like, well, that's not what your God believes as
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it is for them to say that it's not what your God believes.
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You are, you're just realizing that you're in conflict and that there is no getting over
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it.
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So the choice is either to conflict or to leave.
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There's not, there's not a like, no, you're, you're just misunderstanding your God.
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Buddy, they are not.
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Yeah.
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And it would be silly for us to sit here and be like, all right, you're expressing the
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points that you're saying, and here's what I think you really mean by that.
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Right.
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You know, like, no, you're, you're, you're expressing a, a white, a whiteness that is
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essential to your religious and spiritual identity.
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And that is, I, I, I have to take you at your word.
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That's what you believe.
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Because it's awful.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You're the one willing to say it.
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So I'm willing to believe it.
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Yeah.
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So this pastor, he goes on to say what I mentioned earlier, which is this idea that he has that
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it's either Christ or chaos.
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So if I'm hearing this right, chaos just by itself is a marker of evil.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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It's Christ or chaos.
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Those are the two options.
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Like those are like the basic options in America today.
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It's Christ or chaos.
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You either get, you either get the decay, the disorder, the lawlessness, or we turn
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to Jesus and he puts us everything back together.
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Like he puts you back together individually.
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Like you, you're in turn, you get forgiven for your sins and you get sanctified, you
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get made holy, you get healed and restored.
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And then he puts together our families, the brokenness there.
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He puts together our communities.
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He puts together our nation.
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You know, listening to your monologue at the, at the front of the, the hour, it just, it
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just struck me.
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You're describing sort of the, the balkanization of the United States and this mass demographic
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transformation.
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I think that's a subject that many evangelicals are uncomfortable with, quite honestly, having
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I've been an evangelical my whole life and it's, it's uncomfortable for them to even
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think about or talk about.
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Um, and, but thinking about it, it's like, well, what's the hope then?
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And I think the only hope is, well, everybody needs to turn to Jesus and then we can sort
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it out.
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But if we don't turn to Jesus, we're just going to fight and we're going to devour each
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other.
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Is that because that's what you apart from Christ.
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That's what human beings do.
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Is that envy, rivalry, pride, selfish ambition.
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That's human nature in its sort of sinful state.
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And so the only hope is we got to turn away from that.
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And then, okay, now we've got millions of people from different ethnic groups and we've
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got all these things.
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How are we going to sort it out?
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Well, Jesus has to be at the center of that or it won't happen.
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It can't happen.
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All you're going to get is more of this violence.
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Like that's the basic, the basic hope.
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Oh man.
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I wonder what Jesus will say later.
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Man, whenever he was like, Hey, do I not feed the birds?
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Do I not clothe them?
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No I fucking don't.
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I only feed the white ones.
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You massage my feet.
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That sounds right.
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I mean, honestly, I, I, I laughed when I first heard this play play on the episode,
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the like, let's make everyone Christians that will figure out the race stuff.
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I mean, what, what in God's name do you think you are saying?
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It's because pretty remarkable.
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That is, that is gaslighting of a, of a, of a behavior that I've never even seen before.
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You really do have to become a full on theocrat of your own small town in order to get to
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listen.
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I love everybody who's Christian.
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So if we just make all the races Christian, I'll only get rid of four, you know, like
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get the fuck out of here, man.
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Yeah.
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It, it sounds incredibly stupid if you're listening to this and you're not a member
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of that congregation.
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But if you, if you're one of a few hundred people who are terrified that this guy is
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going to exile you or worse, then that sounds genius.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Let's do one last clip here.
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And it's this, this pastor fella making an appeal to the prodigal among the audience.
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All right.
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Come home.
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Okay.
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Come on.
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I've been gone a long time.
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Prodigalism is a product of nature.
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It's the default setting in people.
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It inevitably becomes violent.
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It's a sadomasochistic dynamic always in someone is on the wrong end of it.
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And the only way to avoid that is Jesus.
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That's my view.
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It's absolutely true.
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It's absolutely true.
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And, and it's the solution to the kind of mob violence that we see, right?
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People always look for scapegoats.
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They want to find someone to blame for all their problems.
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And because they have problems and they don't want to, if they can't admit that like the
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biggest problem in the universe is me, like my biggest problem is me, right?
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Like I think, I think I heard someone say that one time and my biggest problem is me.
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And if they can't admit that, then they're going to start blaming everybody.
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And eventually they get enough people sharing their grievance that they're going to go take
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it out.
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And we saw that on Sunday.
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And so the only hope is own it, acknowledge like I'm the problem and God still loves me.
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He sent Jesus to die for my sins for goodness sake.
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And so he's welcoming me back.
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Like I, you can be the prodigal and I, and I just, again, as a pastor, thank you for
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having me on.
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And I just want to say to the people listening, like if you're the prodigal, if you're running
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away, whether you're a leftist or right wing or, you know, noncommittal or whatever, I
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don't care.
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Like if you're the prodigal running away from God, like you can come home.
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Like he left the light on, he's got a really nice robe, seating pastor, he'll throw a big
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party because he loves you.
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So you can just come back.
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You don't have to keep running.
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And if everybody would do that, like if God would be gracious to this nation, so gracious
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and people would turn back to Christ, turn back to Christ, then we could, then we could
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talk.
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Then the political stuff, it wouldn't work itself out.
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We'd still have to work it out.
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But we'd have a foundation to build on.
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And so that really is the basic, the basic choice before us.
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Individually, the basic choice before us as a nation, it's Christ or it's chaos.
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There is no third option.
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There isn't one.
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That's all you got.
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It's true for every person.
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Joe Rigney, thank you.
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I really appreciate you coming on and putting that into perspective and I appreciate your
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wisdom.
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Thank you.
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Hey, thanks for having me, Tucker.
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I appreciate it.
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I agree with some of the stuff that Joe's saying there.
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I just think that all the ways he describes the left apply much more closely to Tucker.
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If there were only two options and they're Christ or chaos, then in all meaningful ways,
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Christ is synonymous with order.
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Christ is the same as submission to the state because to rebel or protest against things
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Trump's government is doing, that would be an act of sowing chaos.
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It's Christ or chaos.
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There is no third option.
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You can't choose chaos because that's choosing not Christ.
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Right.
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It's evil in and of itself.
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This is not the kind of argument you heard much when Obama was in office or during COVID.
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When the CDC was recommending you wear a mask and social distance, it wasn't a choice between
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Christ or chaos.
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And in fact, a lot of folks like Alex and Tucker believed that it was a Christian's
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responsibility to stand up and be chaotic.
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On and after January 6th, it wasn't a choice between Christ and chaos.
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I have no ill will towards people who are religious, but this isn't religion.
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This is using Jesus as a weapon against people who are inclined to seek comfort and faith.
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If you want to make your religious convictions about maintaining the white birth rate and
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carrying water for federal agencies terrorizing immigrants, that's your prerogative.
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But I don't think you can expect people to not call your beliefs a racist cult.
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Christianity isn't a racist cult, but your shit is.
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Christians are trying to call out these people as not representing what they believe Christianity
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to be.
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And you hear a lot of that in the wake of this church protest.
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It's my feeling that as a non-Christian, it would be pretty condescending for me to think
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that I can police their community and say what's acceptable for them or not.
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But with the rise of this kind of Christian nationalist white identity theology, we have
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been seeing responsible Christians step up and try to draw a line.
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I'm not sure if it's all been successful, but there are people who are voicing that.
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And I think that's great.
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There's something kind of encouraging about that.
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Like Nancy Pelosi's grandson not wanting to be white.
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It's an encouraging sign.
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Well I mean, it is a shit or get off the pot time.
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If you want to have a quote unquote Christianity that stands for a specific set of values,
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then you have to personally go get your boys.
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You can't be having Christians out there doing shit like this.
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Or there has to be a very clear seismic break in the church.
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Exactly.
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Because this has to be a new religion.
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Either you have to say these guys are not us and we are kicking them out for good, they're
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excommunicated, or you have to leave.
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If these are the people in charge of your religion, it is not your religion.
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Those are your options.
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I don't know if I agree with you totally because like, what do you do, like how can
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you leave if you truly believe in Christian faith?
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Anywhere two or more of you gather my man.
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Oh well okay, if you mean leave that church where there's a nice pastor.
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Well you gotta leave the concept of the Christian heterodox, if you will.
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I think that that's easier said than done.
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I agree with that.
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I think it's very complicated.
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So I don't want to be telling people their business.
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But I do agree that you're at a fork in the road.
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And down one side is religion, and down another side is using religion to justify this white
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nationalist Christian identity bullshit.
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I've said it a bunch of times already, but this episode was fucking bad.
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He's bad.
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Yeah, well I mean, but that's the problem, right?
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And that's the reason that it is a Christian's responsibility to police Christianity.
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Because I can't, I'm not going to trim the hedges for you.
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That's not my job.
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I'm not here to tell you what is and is not Christian.
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And if you are going to be a Christian block, and those people are in charge, then they
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are using you as a majority.
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The only reason that we have a religious right in this country is because 10% of the religious
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people exploit the 90% who don't really give a shit about any of that.
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Sure.
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You know?
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I agree with just the caveat that I don't want to pretend that people aren't doing that.
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Sure.
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Or aren't trying to do that.
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Absolutely.
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I'm with you.
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That's the only thing I want to make sure we're not saying.
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I'm not saying nobody's trying.
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No, absolutely not.
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I'm just saying that those are the options.
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You have to make a choice.
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No choice is making the choice to support those guys.
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Hmm.
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Yeah, maybe.
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I don't know.
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It's tough.
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It's tough.
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It's fucking tough.
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It is fucking tough.
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I don't envy anybody.
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Anybody who is still within the faith with these people around them, I do not envy you.
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Yeah, because they're going to get worse.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, I apologize.
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I'm sorry I did this, but I had to.
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And I don't know.
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Oh no!
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Jordan's on a plane.
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Try to find something that doesn't suck.
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Maybe we'll go to the past.
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I mean, we've got to go to the past.
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Yeah.
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There's a better place for that.
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Do you want to choose a date?
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Do you do a hardcore?
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Like okay.
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I mean, I'll pick the year, but you tell me a date during the year.
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Okay.
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August?
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No.
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I don't want to do summer.
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All right.
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Spring.
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March 18th.
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Love.
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No.
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Okay.
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But I do like March.
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March 9th.
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Love it.
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Okay.
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March 903.
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Or 1933.
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I'll choose a year.
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All divisible by three.
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I don't know what we've covered before, so I'll choose a year and I'll find a March 9th
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that works.
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Okay.
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But I also really, really like saying no for no reason.
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I know.
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I appreciate it.
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All right.
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So we'll be back with March 9th of something.
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Maybe.
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Anyway, fuck Tucker.
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This is garbage.
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His show, unacceptable on every level.
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Yep.
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We'll be back, but until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZXClark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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Woo.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
