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Dan and Jordan, Knowledge Fight.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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I need, I need money.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy, and you.
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Stop it.
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Andy and, Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm with the same color.
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I'm with your Japan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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N-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a
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little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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Why don't you go first?
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My bright spot is that my dispensary, and I don't normally advertise, but Dispensary
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33, huge fan.
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Expedition 33 of weed.
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Of weed, right.
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They had a 10 year anniversary huge sale, right?
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Everything must go.
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Oh my god.
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We've gotta move this weed.
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Include the medical, include some other stuff.
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I got so much for so little.
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Crazy.
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And it was nice, but what it made me think of was whenever I used to try and buy weed
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in high school, you know, and it was like you would spend maybe 20 bucks on a couple
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of buds, and they were trash.
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Sure.
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Absolute trash.
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And I thought about it and I was like, if I had a time machine, I could go back and
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just fucking liquidate this shit for thousands of, this would kill people in the early thousands.
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Yeah, probably.
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It's too potent.
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It's, they would be- There's too much of it.
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Oh, it would explode their brains.
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Yeah.
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Like back in those days you would like embark on trying to get weed and you might not.
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Yeah.
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Like you could hit up a guy and like, I'll get you, I'll get back to you.
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I'll let you know.
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Absolutely.
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I'm out.
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My guy is out.
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It's like that was a thing you would hear.
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It's a secret.
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Yeah.
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And just imagining back then a sale.
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Yeah.
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You have the idea of a 33% off sale.
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Your dealer has a 10th anniversary sale.
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Crazy.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah, those days were more fun, I think.
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There was fun to it that doesn't exist anymore, but at the same time it was incredibly stupid.
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The certainty of it is nice now.
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Yeah.
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I guess that's the trade off.
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Yeah.
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You do lose a little magic whenever you don't have to go schlep for it.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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When it doesn't feel a little bit seedy.
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Yeah.
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There should be somebody you kind of don't want to talk to involved in the transaction.
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And that's just an important part of overcoming weed.
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But I still think some of those people you probably don't want to hang out with.
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Those people at the weed shop.
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I'm sure.
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I'm sure.
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I bet some of you just don't get a chance to find out why you don't want to hang out
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with them.
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Right.
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They're professional.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They're professional.
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They don't have to be bad people.
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They're not allowed to be the bad people they deeply are.
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Yeah.
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And you're not enthralled to them.
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Maybe that's the problem.
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Yeah.
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Maybe they should be free to...
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The power imbalance is the problem?
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No, maybe the employees should act more freely.
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Yeah.
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Maybe scare you a little.
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Maybe sometimes ask if you want to up your game a little bit this time.
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Yeah.
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And you're like, I don't know what you mean.
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And they're like, you know what I mean.
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I got a gun.
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Exactly.
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That'd be great.
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That's a dispensary right there.
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That's customer service.
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Absolutely.
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What's your Bright Spot?
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So, Jordan, it is the 8th today, December 8th.
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So it's time for more cheese.
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Okay.
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Cheese.
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Thank you to Alexandra for that sting.
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It is time to have more cheese.
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All right.
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What kind of cheese are we talking about this December 8th?
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Today we got Red Lyster.
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Red Lyster.
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Red Lyster means what?
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Well, I mean, do you mean...
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I would assume it's a British thing because it's Lycer, Lychester.
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So it's the L-E-I-C-E-S-T-E-R and then they say that it's pronounced Ly-sester.
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Yeah, something like that.
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As opposed to Leecher-ister, which is what we all actually believe.
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I also need to fill people in because we've missed a few days just because of when we
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record.
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That is how it works.
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I had a bruschetta that was really good.
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I had a goat cheese that was fine.
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It was a fine goat cheese.
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I had an adam that was a little too much.
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Never heard of an adam.
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What is that?
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I don't know.
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It was a little too much.
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All right.
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Fair enough.
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It was a little tart.
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Tart cheese?
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Yeah, I didn't care for it as much as some of these others.
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But yeah, I forgot what the other ones were, but we'll fill you in next time.
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But now it's time for Jordan to vamp.
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Yes.
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What we are talking about, whenever you bring up an adam cheese, the first thing I think
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of is the Adam from Adam and Eve story.
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And I wonder to myself, if you're in the Garden of Eden, right, and there is a talking snake,
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why bother talking to it?
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At what point do you think, ah, this snake, not interested.
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Not interested, snake.
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Sure.
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What's going on?
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Never talk to a snake, number one.
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Number two, you could have told me that was a cheddar and I would have believed you.
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I think that's going to be a theme.
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That it could all be cheddar?
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Yeah.
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Did you know that cheese all tastes exactly the same and everybody's just been lying to
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us the whole time?
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You could trick me into thinking this is cheddar.
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Might be the name of the segment from now on.
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Cheese is all snake-based.
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That's good though.
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I like that.
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You like it?
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Yeah.
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It looks a lot like a cheddar.
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I would give it more of a bite to it perhaps, but I could not really describe it any more
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than that.
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Any time they show the like, oh, on the Amazing Race, you know they'll have the eight cheeses
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and you have to put them in.
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Fuck that.
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Nope, I'll never win.
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No way.
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I'll never do it.
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That olive one on this season, fuck that.
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What are you talking about?
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Yeah, that was crazy.
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I hate olives.
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Four of them looked exactly the same and they knew it.
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Yeah.
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Look, I love Greece.
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That was dirty.
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Or was that in Italy?
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I can't remember.
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I don't know.
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It was dirty no matter what.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, today Jordan, we have an episode that is dirty as hell to go over.
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This sucks.
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I don't want to do it and I'm sorry in advance.
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Fair enough.
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But we're doing it.
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Okay.
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Let's say hi to some wonks first before we get into this.
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So first, shout out to the goons of C-SPAM who keep me laughing through the nihilism.
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We're all gonna die, but at least LoLax did it first.
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Love, Norris.
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Thank you so much for joining Policy Wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, who is Kyle Serafin married to?
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And to John Musser, have a happy birthday.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Every Time My Band Covers Mr. Jones by the Counting Crows, I
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Fight the Urge to Sing Alex Jones Instead of Mr. Jones.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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We all want to be Bob Dylan.
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Yeah.
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Alex Jones wishes he was someone a little bit more funky.
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Alex Jones and me tell each other fairy tales.
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Yep.
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But they're, they're slightly off.
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They're very different.
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They're different fairy tales, that's for sure.
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So Jordan, today we're not gonna, we're not gonna talk about Alex today.
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Nope.
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We're going off the beaten path a little bit.
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And so I want to, like I've already said this, but I want to repeat it.
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Yep.
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I don't want to do this episode.
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Fair enough.
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I didn't want to do this.
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Public demand reached out and insisted that we do this.
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Public demand reached out?
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The world demanded it.
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The world as a whole.
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And as it turns out, the timing was just right.
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And I could have used a little break from Alex after that last episode.
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So here we are.
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We're talking about Tucker interviewing Milo Yiannopoulos today about why people are gay.
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And it's a complete disaster.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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All right.
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It is such a mess.
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Great.
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Great.
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The extreme right wing that Tucker represents has decided that they've done enough demonization
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around trans people.
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And now it's time to fully commit to attacking homosexuality as a valid part of society.
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They want to undo that progress and are setting their sights on that.
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Yeah, that's about how poems work.
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For anyone who hasn't followed his history, Milo Yiannopoulos was a blogger working for
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Breitbart who rose to huge levels of popularity in the era around the 2016 election.
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He positioned himself as a gay man who supported the extreme right, which is his entire brand.
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He was a troll and he talked all kinds of shit on LGBTQ folks in the same way that pretty
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much everyone in his world did at the time.
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But he was a gay man, which gave him access to a different kind of trolling.
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It created a very lucrative place for him to exist in that market.
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He was different than the other guys around his political space because he was fun.
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He was a sassy dude who did a ton of cocaine and he had a sense of humor.
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He really wasn't all that funny, but he had the speech patterns that sound like someone
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who's saying something funny.
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And every now and then he landed a pithy line.
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Because he was different from the stuffy right wingers you'd find in his media, he was afforded
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a lot of opportunities that his peers didn't get, like being a regular guest on Joe Rogan's
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podcast and other shows that presented themselves as non-political at the time.
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Milo was one of the first large accounts who were kicked off Twitter, and it led to him
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finding an important role in the pretend free speech activism that was popular around that
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time.
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He would plan speeches at college campuses and then monetize the outrage that was created
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by the student body not wanting him to be there, and it was a cycle.
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Among his contemporaries, I find Milo a bit more fascinating because beyond his need to
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incite outrage, there's not really much to him.
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There isn't much to him past this troll shit and if they just ignored him his act wouldn't
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work and there would be no money for him.
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And I do suspect that Milo's always known that, which is why he had to be more sensational
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than his peers.
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He had to do things that would guarantee backlash, because as people started to catch on that
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he was just trying to elicit a response from them to get paid, it would become harder to
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create that response.
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By being even more extreme than the people around him, Milo was trying to make sure that
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what he did caused outrage, even among the people who might ignore some of the other
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guys in that media space.
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And being a gay man helped him out considerably in that.
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He was able to say flagrantly homophobic things that his heterosexual peers would probably
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have a tough time pulling off and because he was gay he never really needed sources.
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He could say something sensational about gay people and if he needed to back up where he
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was getting this from he could always just appeal to his own authority as someone who
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was gay.
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I'm gay, I know this stuff.
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He was doing really well in late 2016 when he was poised to release his autobiography
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Dangerous along with a bus tour of public incitement events to promote it called the
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Dangerous F Tour.
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What a huge mistake that was.
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In the lead up to the book's publishing, some videos of Milo's podcast appearances went
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around social media and kind of destroyed his career.
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They featured him discussing gay relationships and included him arguing that relationships
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between older men and 13 year old boys were totally fine if the 13 year old is emotionally
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mature which many people interpreted as him condoning pedophilia.
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Yeah, well that's what it would be.
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Later Milo would go on to explain that a lot of this stuff was based on him trying to rationalize
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his own past as a survivor of child abuse and that he was raped by a priest at age 13.
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At the time he did these podcast interviews he didn't view that interaction as abuse and
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thought of himself as the instigator of the sexual relationship and that perspective informed
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what he was saying in those interviews.
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I think it's important to let people who have experienced trauma understand that trauma
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how they feel is appropriate.
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It's not for me to demand that you take on my definitions of the things that you experienced
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in your life so I think that if Milo had just said in these interviews that he had
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sex with an adult man as a 13 year old and didn't consider it to be abuse there wouldn't
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have been a problem.
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It would have been one person discussing their perspective which you're welcome to agree
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or disagree with but if he expressed himself like that then it wouldn't have been heard
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as something that he felt should be universalized.
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He wasn't just speaking about his own experience though.
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Instead he was making prescriptive statements that minimized the impact of adults having
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sex with children and that basically destroyed his career forever.
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Almost immediately his publisher dropped him in his autobiography and he had to resign
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from Breitbart and stop getting money from the Mercers.
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He became a wholly toxic presence and most of the right wing fans who liked his provocative
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antics in the past they just couldn't justify this.
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His career fell apart and by 2021 he was trying to rebrand as a formerly gay man which probably
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sucked for Milo's husband.
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Eventually he probably made the right choice for his career because there was nothing left
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for him as a gay man in the media space that he helped create.
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It is too overtly homophobic.
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Now we hate gay people too much for you.
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Before we needed you we needed you to help us get rid of people caring about you.
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It makes sense.
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Coming out as straight was probably meant to be a big provocative spectacle for Milo
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to get back on top in the attention economy but I think that most people just laughed
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at him.
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Beyond anything having to do with a person's sincere or private sexual orientations it
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just seemed like a cry for attention.
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He would then go on to intern for Marjorie Taylor Greene before teaming up with Nick
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Fuentes on Ye's 2024 presidential campaign and then that all got ugly.
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Along the way one thing has become very clear about Milo though.
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He holds grudges and he fights dirty.
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He released a bunch of secret recordings and private texts from figures in the right wing
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media like Paul Joseph Watson and Dave Rubin so most figures in this space probably don't
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want to associate with him all that much.
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He's dangerous now but only to them.
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He knows a lot of their dirty laundry for personal lives and financial models so no
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one in the right wing media can really crush him but no one wants to hang out with him
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either.
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Milo sucks and I think he's one of the saddest figures in the modern attention economy but
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I want to make sure that I say one thing clearly at the start of this episode.
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I don't care if he's gay or straight now.
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A lot of people like to dunk on him about how he's still gay and just pretending to
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be straight to create a new space for himself in the media and I think that's a fruitless
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attack.
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If he wants to say he's straight now I don't think it matters.
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There are so many other things to criticize and make fun of him for and in and of itself
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there's nothing inherently wrong with having shifting sexual attraction.
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If anyone else wants to make fun of him for that stuff I'm not judging them but I'm gonna
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try to leave that out of my critique as much as possible.
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Sure.
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Because I just I don't think it's I don't think it's necessary.
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Yeah well I mean it's not it's not even about okay in that kind of situation if it were
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to matter it would be because it's a genuine expression from a person to another person
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trying to communicate with them.
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In Milo's case whatever it is he's saying he is at any given point in time is only to
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exploit you because without you he doesn't give a shit.
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You know it doesn't matter to him.
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He exists as the thing that creates a response that you are doing you are making.
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So whatever he is saying to you is part of the creation of that response and therefore
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isn't real.
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Yeah well I think that's probably true a lot of the time but I don't want to fall into
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the trap of like losing sight of he is a human too.
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Right right.
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Like not everything everybody does has to be insincere.
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And there's stuff that he you know he's talking about in terms of his life that are like yeah
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you're probably a pretty fucked up dude.
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Sure.
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You probably have some real struggles.
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So like it's not all you know what what can I do to provoke a response.
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No I'm with you.
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There's a battle going on too.
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I agree I think part of the reason that I'm far less likely to give him the benefit of
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the doubt on that just simply is because he came on with that kind of agreement that
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if you don't look at me I don't exist.
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You know so his even initial burst onto the scene is purely like I don't have anything.
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I don't make anything.
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I don't do anything that exists outside of you paying attention to me.
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You know and that's that's like fuck you that's our whole lives ruined.
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Yeah and I want to be clear I don't have anything against that perspective that you have.
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I don't have anything against that.
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I I'm just the sap type.
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You're a better person than me.
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Keep a keep a humanity in my in my view.
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Right.
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I'm a psychopathic murderer.
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So one of the things that's interesting about this episode is that Milo doesn't come on
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for the first half hour.
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Tucker is given a little bit of a lecture at the beginning.
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He wants to set the table for his guest.
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And I'm going to just say this also in advance.
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There are a number of slurs that are going to be thrown around in this episode.
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And it is I don't even know how to warn anyone in advance when things are going to get real
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messy.
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Yeah this whole thing is going to be messy.
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I presume we're going to be getting a lot of that F slur.
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There's quite a bit of you better believe it but not from Tucker at least not the first
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half hour.
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Of all the great memes and clips on the Internet.
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Fat kid falls off bike being of course the top of the list.
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Really in the last 13 years 13 years this week almost nothing created on this planet
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has surpassed in popularity or sheer hilarity an interview that took place on Ugandan television
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in December of 2012 on a show called Morning Breeze the morning show of Kampala Uganda
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in which a trans activist a woman who now identifies as a man came on and was asked
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a series of questions by the host.
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And if you don't know what we're talking about here is a two second clip that reveals the
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essence of the conversation.
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Why are you gay?
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Why are you gay?
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Let's play that again.
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Why are you gay?
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It's still the funniest thing that's ever been on the Internet.
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I think there have been some funnier memes but whatever.
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So Tucker is starting the show on this note because Uganda is a country with a government
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that's very hostile towards homosexuality which is what Tucker wants for the United
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States.
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And so his opening volley in this is to be like they're not so bad this government isn't
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so bad.
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Yeesh.
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Oh boy.
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Whenever he started talking I heard him say about the culture that we have created you
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know top of the list fat kid falls off bike.
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So good.
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You know and I was just I was just thinking about that and I was like maybe I was born
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in the wrong time like wouldn't it be nice if he was like you know what my favorite book
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is of human bondage like you know it would be nice if there was something more than just
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fat kid falls off bike.
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That's who we are now man.
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At least when I was younger somebody like funniest thing dirty word.
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At least you know absolutely.
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You had to go find it.
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So why why is this funny.
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This guy saying why are you gay.
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Why is this funny.
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Why why.
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But why is it funny.
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And why does almost everyone find it funny.
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Left right straight gay.
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Well because it's kind of the key question and it's kind of the question that no one
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in the United States is allowed to ask.
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Why are you gay.
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And of course it's being asked by an East African with kind of a point semi colonial
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accent and you know conservatives can laugh at it liberals can laugh at it really this
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is the kind of the only way a white liberal United States could ever laugh at a black
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person if it's an African expressing non PC views on homosexuality sexuality why are
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you gay.
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And of course people in the West laugh because the guy's an idiot.
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Why are you gay.
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We all know why you're gay.
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Why are you gay.
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Actually we're laughing in part because we're not allowed to ask that question.
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Damn what.
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Who banned asking the question about why people are gay.
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I don't think that's a forbidden subject.
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I think a lot of queer art has to do with exploring that kind of theme and that area.
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Countless studies have been done trying to isolate genes or possible variables in nature
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versus nurture debates.
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Why does Tucker think that people in this country aren't allowed to ask that kind of
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question if you're asking it and you're actually interested in hearing other people's answers.
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No one gives a shit if you're curious like about how people engage with their own sexuality
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like it's not it's not a forbidden topic.
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Yeah no.
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Whenever you hear someone like Tucker say that asking a certain question is forbidden
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it's important to understand that this is a signifier that what he's talking about isn't
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a question.
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He doesn't care about the question of where does homosexuality spring from.
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He's already got an answer and he doesn't like that most people in our country don't
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like that answer.
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He thinks that homosexuality is illegitimate and a sin.
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So when he asks why are people gay he's not really interested in exploring possible answers.
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He just wants to make the way he's calling gay people sinners come off like a question
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that society won't let him ask because it's such a dangerous mind expanding question and
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it's just a game.
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Yeah I mean in a different kind of context what he's really saying is why do we allow
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you to exist.
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You know like I mean if you want to describe it sin wise you know why does God allow you
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to exist.
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Are you just a test of faith for me because really you should be dead is ultimately the
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under wiring of that like a fox smiling at chickens.
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Yeah you know it's almost like Tucker's doing an H.R. meeting.
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He's like what do you bring to the company.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Why are you still employed with White America LLC.
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We need to downsize all gay people.
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Well unless they can justify it.
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Oh boy that's no good.
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So it's settled.
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It's settled.
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Everyone understands why people are gay.
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Or is it.
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People were laughing in part because we're not allowed to ask that question.
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It's settled.
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No one's really explained what about it is settled.
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If you were asked the average American why are people gay they would probably say well
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they're born that way.
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And then if you followed up with well how exactly does that work.
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They would have no idea and tell you to shut up.
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Because again like so many myths or things that we think we know we don't really know.
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We can't really explain it but we do know for dead certain we're not allowed to talk
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about it.
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Asking African morning show host in Uganda or the hell that is acid out loud we can't
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help but laugh nervously.
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Why are you gay.
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Tucker has created an imaginary arguing partner here where he asks why people are gay.
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They say they were born that way.
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Then Tucker asks a follow up and the person gets mad and tells him to shut up.
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What if that person is just Tucker's fantasy of what someone he disagrees with is like.
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What if it were possible that someone in that conversation wouldn't crumble after a basic
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rebuttal and you'd be like well here's you know here's what some people believe here
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some thoughts around the subject.
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Do you want to do this.
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Do you really want to do this.
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Are you just trying to be an asshole.
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We can do it.
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Yeah.
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It's almost as if Tucker has created a fantasy of a person to argue with solely to justify
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his insane position that no one is allowed to ask questions about homosexuality.
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This seems like insane behavior.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is it is like this.
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Based upon the amount of content we consume in our little bubble right.
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We think that people outside of our bubble will get mad at us if we say these things.
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Yep.
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But we will never speak to people outside of this bubble.
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Why would we.
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So mad at us.
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So we have created a situation where the people we are most afraid of are inside of our own
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heads and the people who reinforce those people are the people that we talk to all the time
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leaving the people who we are actually afraid of completely out of the equation entirely.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No.
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You know like it's cartoon shit.
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It is cartoon shit.
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Absolutely.
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So dumb.
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Yep.
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So Tucker is excited about this Ugandan TV show.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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So he talks a little bit about it.
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And by talk I mean lie.
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Yeah.
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If you watch the whole interview it actually it's worth watching because it's really revealing
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both about Uganda and about the West.
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The first thing you notice is how polite everybody is.
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That tone.
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Why are you gay continued throughout the entire interview which lasted over an hour.
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Just watched it.
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And the morning show host whether you like him or dislike him was just unfailingly polite
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to the guest who was him or herself also unfailingly polite and they were just sort of talking
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past each other.
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The trans activist couldn't really explain why he or she was gay or whether gay was different
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from trans or what was good about being gay.
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That was another question the host asked.
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Why would you want to be gay.
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And the trans activists just didn't really have an answer.
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Tucker is representing himself as a person who's watched this whole interview on the
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Ugandan morning show.
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And if that's true then he's lying about its contents.
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He's either lying about having watched the whole thing or he's lying about what happens
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in it.
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It's true enough that the interviewer and the trans man human rights activist on the
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show have a mostly polite exchange throughout though they aren't on the same page.
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And he's right they kind of talk past each other a little bit.
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What Tucker seems to have missed is that there was another guest on the show who was an aggressively
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anti-gay pastor who makes horrible accusations about gay people and won't shut up even when
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the host is asking him nicely to show his guests some respect.
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About halfway through the interview this pastor shows up at the studio and has brought a bunch
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of vegetables that he uses as props yelling about how gay people use them for sex.
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The pastor comes off like an asshole and the activist comes off as a person who has to
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put up with a lot of assholes who doesn't want to engage in schoolyard bullying.
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Also the activist guest doesn't fail to answer these basic questions.
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He does a fine job of explaining the difference between trans and gay and actually explains
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that he's not gay as he's attracted to women.
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I get that Tucker doesn't like these answers or refuses to understand them but he's just
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lying if he says that they weren't articulated in the interview.
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It's a big piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you know, sometimes I stop and I think, you know, I pull back and I go, what is it
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with these weirdos obsessed with other people's flesh tubes that fill with blood when they
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see stuff sometimes?
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Isn't that weird?
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Well there's a real morality to it, to the flesh tubes.
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Is there?
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It's just a flesh tube that fills with blood and we're all fucking monkeys.
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So what are we doing here?
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Yeah, well, I think that's an interesting perspective and you're not allowed to ask
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that kind of question.
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I don't think I am allowed to ask that kind of question.
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So Tucker, like this meme of the, why are you gay?
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This is a launching pad for him to talk about the morning show thing, but it's really to
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get to a law that was passed in Uganda that he wants people to be a little bit softer
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on.
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But the host was coming from a position of total certainty that this is just weird and
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wrong.
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And that is the consensus in a lot of the world and it's certainly, famously, the consensus
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in Uganda.
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And the consensus in the United States across both parties and pretty much the whole educated
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population is they're horrible because they think homosexuality is wrong.
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And we know this because about 10 years later in Uganda, the legislature passed, almost
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unanimously, with only I think one dissenting vote, a law against something called aggravated
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homosexuality.
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Aggravated homosexuality as of 2023 is a death penalty offense in Uganda.
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What?
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Aggravated homosexuality?
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A death penalty offense?
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That's medieval.
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But how is it defined in Uganda?
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Well, if you read it, and you can because it's online, the Ugandan government defines
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aggregated homosexuality as gay rape of children, gay rape of the elderly who can't consent
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people over 75, gay rape of people who are mentally deficient, and the intentional transmission
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of deadly diseases to another person.
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So it's rape and murder, effectively, are against the law, in fact, capital crimes in
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Uganda.
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Hmm.
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It's a little different than advertised.
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So the thing that Tucker is failing to point out here is that the law he's trying to sell
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his audience on is called the Anti-Homosexuality Act of 2023.
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It's a broad attack on the rights of LGBTQ Ugandans, and Tucker fully understands that.
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He's trying to put a good face on it because he wants the US to pass a similar act.
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Tucker is trying to present the image that this law is just making raping children illegal,
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but that was already illegal.
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All of the things that he's saying that this law accomplishes were already illegal.
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The category of aggravated homosexuality in this act, it does include things like abusing
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children or the elderly, and those things should be crimes, but legally categorizing
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them as kinds of homosexuality is already a dicey thing to do, and this bill is pretty
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unnecessary.
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But what Tucker is conveniently ignoring is that according to the act, which you can read
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because it is online, as he points out, the definition of aggravated homosexuality also
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includes quote, serial offenders.
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This is because the act makes all homosexual activity a crime, but if you're only caught
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being gay once, you can get sentenced to life in jail.
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Just attempting to commit a homosexual act can get you up to 10 years in jail.
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Angravated homosexuality gets a person the death sentence, and Tucker's trying to present
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the picture that it's just for things like people who abuse children.
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In reality, if you're just consistently gay, you will be considered a serial offender,
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which counts as aggravated homosexuality, and you could get executed.
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Consenting adults engaging in homosexual acts.
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Or attempting to.
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The act does a number of other things too.
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For instance, if you attend someone else's gay wedding, even if it's an informal commitment
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ceremony, you could go to jail for 10 years.
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That's not just for getting gay married, that's for going to the wedding.
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You can go to jail for taking any actions that are considered to be promoting homosexuality,
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which would include engaging in human rights activism, like the person on the morning show
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interview Tucker didn't watch was doing.
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You can go to jail for leasing or subleasing your house or apartment to a gay person.
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This is what Tucker is trying to sell his audience on, by pretending that it's all
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just about making abusing children illegal.
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He's doing this because he's a liar and a bigot, and he knows that it would be too
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hard for him to just argue in favor of sending gay people to jail for life.
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He knows that most normal, everyday people don't want to live in that kind of world,
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so if he wants to sell this to the audience, he's gotta lie.
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And this is the way that you lie?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Can you believe people are so upset about this bill?
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I don't know.
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It's so common sense.
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I don't know how many times you can get into a situation where you go, well, these people,
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who I nominally trust, are telling me that it's only the bad ones.
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And then five years later you go, but it's everybody!
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And then they go, ah, well, it's only the bad ones again.
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Like you gotta learn after one.
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You gotta learn after one.
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You can't do a three.
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You can't wait for a pattern.
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It would be wise to start understanding these cyclical natures of this behavior.
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You gotta get this one.
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This one's right on the nose.
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Yeah.
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The whole thing of creating the fake version of this bill is meant to, first of all, sanitize
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it, make it more appealing to the audience.
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Naturally.
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But also to use as an attack against people who oppose that bill.
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Of course.
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And so that becomes most of what he talks about.
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But it wasn't just Biden.
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Here's Senator Ted Cruz, the self-described conservative from Texas.
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Here's what he said.
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He tweeted this.
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He's writing, as he so often does.
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And we're quoting.
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Any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for quote aggravated homosexuality
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is grotesque and an abomination.
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All civilized nations should join together in condemning this human rights abuse.
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So it's uncivilized to penalize gay rape or the intentional transmission of a deadly disease.
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That's uncivilized.
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Seems kind of civilized.
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But at the time, nobody agreed.
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This was grotesque.
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The kind of thing that only Africans would do.
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It's one step up from cannibalism.
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Can you believe it?
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Penalizing gay rape and the intentional transmission of AIDS?
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What do I think of next?
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We'll throw you in a stew pot, savages.
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Tucker constructed the fake version of this law partially because it's the easiest way
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for him to support it without doing the really hard bigot work and because he can then use
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it to attack people who are against the law.
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If this really is just about making abusing children and spreading disease illegal, then
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how could Ted Cruz be against that?
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The only explanation is that Ted Cruz must be in favor of child abuse and spreading diseases.
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Come on.
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It's clear as day.
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This is a very simple rhetorical trick and Tucker knows that he can get away with it
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because he knows his audience are either bigots who get what he's saying or they're
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too stupid to consider that he might be a liar and is lying to their fucking faces.
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There's no other real explanation for who could be in his audience at this point.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's fucking crazy because while it's...
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Okay.
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All right.
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So you can see the pipeline, right?
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And it keeps going back in America.
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It's the like, oh, this is a reasonable bill.
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It's just for escaped slaves.
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It's not for all black people.
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It's just escaped slaves that can be grabbed from their homes, ripped towards there and
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then be forced to back into a life of slavery because they're property.
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No big deal.
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It's just this.
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And that takes you to the next guy and the next guy's like, well, we got to get them
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all into slavery because they're all not people.
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And then you got the next guy who's like, well, it's just guilt, right?
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The pipeline has been the exact same.
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This is the gay pipeline.
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This is the, no, it's just the ones who are doing this.
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To the, well, I mean, it's all of them.
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To the, well, we got to kill them.
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Right?
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But all of that, these people create this pipeline, but who the fuck is getting caught
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in it and not being capable?
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As an audience member.
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You know, you're a fucking person, right?
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Like grow the fuck up and look at where you're at.
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If you're in a murder pipeline, it's 2026, man.
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Or 2025 still.
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I think that unfortunately a lot of people have probably gotten caught in a confidence
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game of Tucker and believe him to be a straight up actor in the space.
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And so that's bad.
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I think that people are a lot of times busy or don't have the wherewithal to actually
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look stuff up themselves.
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So they could take his word for it.
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And if you believe what he's saying, then Uganda just outlawed a bunch of horrible crimes.
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And everybody's saying that it's so bigoted of them.
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So you would have every reason to think that everyone is overreacting and this is a bunch
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of bullshit.
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If you believe him.
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Crazy.
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If they just took that affirmative step of going to check and read this stuff for themselves,
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I think that it would poke some holes in his sincerity disguise.
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Yeah.
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I mean, but anytime somebody's like, this is just the reaffirming of the 10th Amendment
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and they put it all over again.
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It's like, hey, you're making a lot of crimes against the law.
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Like we already, those are already against the law.
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So if you're making a new law, then you're doing something else.
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There's a piece of this that there's something you're trying to sneak in here.
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Exactly.
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Come on now.
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And it's making being gay illegal.
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So the international community also was very opposed to this.
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Unsurprising.
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Because they apparently are super into things like gay rape and spreading disease.
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Sounds true.
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World Bank said they weren't going to loan.
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And then foreign aid got pulled.
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And then finally, Joe Biden in October of 2023 spun fully into a frenzy at this point,
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watching, taking the lead of the World Bank announced that Uganda would be expelled from
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the group of sub-Saharan African countries that benefit from tax breaks under the U.S.
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African Growth and Opportunity Act, AGOA, because of the country's, quote, gross violations
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of internationally recognized human rights, which violate the AGOA eligibility criteria.
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So that was 2023.
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So bottom line, no more money for you.
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What happened next?
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Well, Uganda starved.
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Next year, there was a famine.
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Not to laugh at famine, but it's almost unbelievable.
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So you ban gay rape of children and the elderly and the mentally disabled and we're going
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to starve you out.
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And boy did they.
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The United States shut it down.
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International aid institutions followed suit.
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And the next year, Uganda had a famine that is still ongoing.
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50 percent of children in Uganda today suffer the symptoms of malnutrition, stunted growth,
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anemia.
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50 percent, half of all Ugandan kids are starving.
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And of course, Uganda has never been a rich country.
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It's had a lot of turmoil.
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Idi Amin was from there.
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Uganda has some problems for sure.
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But the year after the West collectively withdrew aid from Uganda, billions in aid, they have
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a famine and it's all because they banned gay rape of children.
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Okay.
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So I guess the point here is our values are pretty clear.
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We're for this and we're totally against questioning it.
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To be totally clear about this, Tucker doesn't want to send any aid to the people of Uganda.
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He was perfectly happy with the Doge bullshit so he can come off that soapbox trying to
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pretend that he wishes Biden would have kept sending money to this other country because
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kids are hungry.
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Jesus Christ.
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Fuck right off.
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You don't care about that.
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He doesn't give a shit about any of this stuff and he knows that he's lying about the anti-gay
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act.
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Yep.
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Like this is just a charade.
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It's parodic.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't even know how else to describe it than to be, this is not sincere.
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This is what somebody on SNL would think is an extreme thing.
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This would be them being like, look at how hilarious.
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Well yeah, obviously they would be funnier, but I mean that laugh like, haha, not to laugh
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at famine.
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That's the type of thing people joking about you would say.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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And I spent a good while thinking about that moment, that laugh.
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Yeah.
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Because I don't think that he's laughing at the misfortune of famine.
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Sure.
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He has paper in front of him.
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So like he has his notes and this isn't just extemporaneous.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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And so I think that what's going on is he realizes he's about to say that.
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Yep.
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That he's about to say that there was a famine that was caused by the US withdrawing aid
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because they made this bill outlawing gay rape.
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Yep.
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And I think he's laughing because he knows that his audience is that dumb that they'll
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buy that.
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It's an ain't I a stinker laugh.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's how it felt to me.
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Yep.
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I'm reading into it things that, you know, are just vibe based.
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It feels very much like this is a, I can't believe I'm getting away with this bullshit.
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Yeah.
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That's the overall sense I got.
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Yep.
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We're told that the people are, they're born gay, you know, and all that.
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But is that true?
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We have been told for the course of my life that you're born gay.
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It's like handedness or eye color or height.
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It's just something that you're born with.
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God created you that way.
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You are unique.
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Your iris, your fingerprints, your sexuality, they're all unique to you.
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And that's something not to be embarrassed of unless you're a white man, in which case,
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of course, slink away in shame, be denied admission to college or a job.
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But for everyone else, your mutable characteristics are something that you celebrate, that you
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should be proud of.
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Not something that you chose.
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They're not something you can change.
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And this is the story that all of us have been told and most of us, me included, sort
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of, kind of believe that.
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Okay.
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And if that's true, of course, you could never, ever show bias against someone on the basis
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of his mutable characteristics because that's wrong.
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It's also un-Christian.
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I think Tucker could make it a lot less obvious how white supremacist he was if he just cut
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out the asides he makes like that one.
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All civil rights legislation protects him as well as all the groups he hates.
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You can't deny someone a job because they're white or because they're straight.
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In the same way, you can't do that if someone is black or gay.
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Tucker wants to pretend that white people aren't a protected class as it relates to
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civil rights because to him, the protection of other groups' rights comes at the expense
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of his group's monopoly on power.
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Tucker doesn't feel like all groups deserve the same protections under the law.
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He feels like his group is entitled to everything, and any move away from that is an undermining
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of his rights.
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It's fine that he feels that way.
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I mean, most bigots do.
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But we as a society need to move past the point where we take that kind of shit seriously.
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This isn't a political perspective.
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It's something Tucker should be working on in therapy.
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Also, I'm pretty certain that if scientists were ever able to find a gay gene and definitively
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show that sexuality is something you're born with, Tucker wouldn't all of a sudden start
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liking gay people because it's the Christian thing to do.
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What the fuck is he talking about?
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Yeah.
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It's ridiculous.
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It's absurd.
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It's like the conversation itself is such an illusion that keeps you from dealing with
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the central problem.
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In Japan, there's a serious issue with blood types.
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There's a lot of prejudice around blood type, and that's absurd.
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Where you put your flesh tube, absurd.
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All of these things are absurd, and yet somehow they capture the minds of millions of people.
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It's crazy.
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People are insane.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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I think that there is a tendency towards making it better and making it worse.
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Those kinds of weird things that human brains do, where you separate people based on these
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arbitrary things and you get hung up on it.
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I understand that people do that, and it's a part of culture, and we need to work to
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get past it.
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We got a lot of shit to deal with.
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It's fascinating to me the people like Tucker, who's like, your primary function is to make
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that worse.
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Yeah.
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You are trying to make everyone more caught in those arbitrary distinctions between each
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other.
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Yeah.
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It is the feeling of these people are absolute predators.
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This is a person who is literally tricking people to hate other people so they can exploit
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those people for money.
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I don't know how obvious it could get.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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So speaking of obvious, 2028 is going to be another election, right?
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Fuck.
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I mean, is it?
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Maybe.
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Is it?
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And it's obvious that Pete Buttigieg is going to be the Democrat candidate.
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Is it?
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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Early polls have shown that he is a front runner, and then even higher than him is,
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I don't know.
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Is anybody?
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Anybody.
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No, there's a bunch of candidates who have a certain amount of...
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Sure.
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Sure.
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... and the number one vote getter of them is, I don't know.
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You guys are a disappointment is the number one vote getter.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's a leading candidate, but also he's gay.
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Or is he?
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He dated women.
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Is he gay?
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No one has put this in clearer terms than the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, the
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former transportation secretary, and as of today, the leading candidate for the Democratic
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nomination in 2028, Mr. Pete Buttigieg.
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Here he is.
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I can tell you that if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far,
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far above my pay grade.
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And that's the thing I wish the Mike Pence's of the world would understand.
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That if you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me.
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Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.
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Take it up with God.
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He made me this way.
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Notice the self seriousness, this sort of JFK-esque gaze into the distance.
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Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.
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Little drama queen.
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Yeah, maybe.
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Okay.
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But that doesn't really answer the question.
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Why was Pete Buttigieg dating chicks for the first part of his adult life?
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Yeah.
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By his admission, he's dating women.
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Yeah.
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Like a bunch of women.
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He was openly heterosexual, including in the US military after the repeal of Don't Ask,
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Don't Tell.
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Oh.
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What?
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So it's illegal to be gay in the military, but Pete was still heterosexual.
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Ah.
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Crazy.
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So the answer I think most people come to is, well, he was just ashamed of being gay.
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Like he couldn't be his true self.
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He couldn't kind of let it out.
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Maybe that's true, though those of us who were living in the United States 10 years
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ago remember that there was no sanction against being gay.
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Tons of television is filled with gay people.
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Those of us who worked in television around gay people, great gay people, actually, just
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being clear, really nice, good people all day long.
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There's nothing weird about being gay 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
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Don't go any further back.
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Only 10 years ago.
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Do not go further back.
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No, they were actually lifestyle liberals.
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They're big left wingers, his parents.
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So probably unlikely that his parents were like, don't be gay, son.
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It wasn't.
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They were pure talk in his amazing wireless service with absolutely the best prices.
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Cool.
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Cool.
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So, yeah, it's probably not gay.
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He's probably faking this whole thing.
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Because 10 years ago, it wasn't weird to be gay.
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There you go.
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Sold me.
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The fuck is this?
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What kind of insane person?
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Because 10 years ago, you were still a prick.
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Yeah.
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And of course it was uncomfortable to be gay 10 years ago, because even if the society
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at large was slightly better with it than they are now, assholes like you still existed.
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Yeah.
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And got a bunch of other assholes to hate.
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Yeah.
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I mean, when gay marriage was passed in the Supreme Court, that was fairly modern history.
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And people were furious about that.
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Absolutely.
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So there's a lot of backlash towards that.
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There's a lot of reasons.
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There's still hate crimes that happen quite regularly.
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Everybody has their own constellation of personal things, too.
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Various family members, various friends.
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Ten years ago is such a great number.
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Ten years ago is such a great number.
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Because it's like, 15 years ago, motherfucking Obama was against gay people getting married.
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That's how fucking crazy people are.
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Ten years ago was the Unite the Right rally.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if it was a great time.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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I'm just saying from the perspective of a person who's like, hey, the people who don't
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want to hate gay people were slightly cooler with it back then.
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And that was a fucking Obama.
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You know?
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Like fucking, hey, buddy.
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Jesus Christ.
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So look, Pete, I think he might not be gay.
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Maybe he's not.
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Maybe he is.
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I don't know.
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Who knows?
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Fine.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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But even if he's not, that is all who he is.
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That's just all he is.
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That's a great way to talk about somebody.
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And it isn't just this thing about Pete Buttigieg.
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It's the whole point of Pete Buttigieg.
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It is the reason that he has the plurality of support from Democratic primary voters
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who are not black.
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His support among black voters?
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They're more in the, why are you gay, Cam?
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They're not impressed at all.
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In fact, I'm trying to do the math here.
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I think his support, Pete Buttigieg's current support among African American Democratic
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primary voters is, let's see, around zero.
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So zero percent in that range, meaning nobody, like no black people.
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They're not going for it.
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Why are you gay?
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You can almost hear them saying that.
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Yeah, you almost can't.
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Or you can't.
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You can't, Tucker.
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You cannot.
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You actually can't.
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You can't hear them say that.
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For someone like Tucker, the fact that Pete Buttigieg is a gay man is the totality of
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his identity.
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Tucker sees Pete and he just sees a gay guy.
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That's his whole thing.
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What else is there to you?
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I already know what you're all about.
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You got it.
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And that's kind of weird.
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I mean, it is the person, and believe me, these are not similar in terms of how they
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work, but they are an idea.
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When Jackie Robinson is playing baseball, people are going, oh, he's still just the
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black guy who plays baseball.
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He was fucking amazing at baseball.
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He's playing baseball.
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Right, exactly.
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But because he's there, and everybody else is white, they just want a black guy.
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They tokenize somebody who is proving excellence as another way of taking away any quality
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of individuality you have.
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Yeah, any competence, any excellence.
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They just remove it, because if it's not a detriment to you, then it's going to remove
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anything that you can do.
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While I was listening to this and going through it, I started to realize, obviously this is
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a really deeply anti-gay pivot that Tucker's engaged in here.
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It's interesting that a bit of it is about Pete Buttigieg, and it made me realize this
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might be preemptive ground laying in case Pete is the candidate.
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Let's get everyone really mad at gay people.
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Before we even begin, let's make sure half the country hates him and thinks that Harvey
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Milkwood should be relitigated.
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Yeah, I think that's kind of part of the strategy.
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But among white liberals, Pete Buttigieg's gayness, the fact he's married to a dude called
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Chasen, and has somehow acquired babies somehow.
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How do you get babies?
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Just sort of buy them somewhere?
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Whatever.
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He's got babies.
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And he is the model of whatever, a modern gay man.
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That's the whole point.
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He is a civil rights hero because of who he sleeps with.
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Pretty amazing.
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So two obvious points to make about that.
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First, do you remember when they used to tell us, we don't care what happens in your bedroom?
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Do you remember that?
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We want to keep politics out of the bedroom.
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We want to keep politicians out of your bedroom.
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This was a way to justify the Holocaust of abortion, of course.
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But the line sounded kind of appealing.
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Yeah, politicians probably stayed in my bedroom.
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That seems fair.
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Now your bedroom is the whole point.
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You've got politicians running on what they do in their bedroom, and on the Democratic
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side succeeding.
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So this is some very explicit hate content, and it's pretty shocking that we just live
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in a world where Tucker Carlson puts this kind of shit out.
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He's trying to suggest that Pete Buttigieg somehow acquired his children in a suspicious
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way.
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He and his husband adopted their children.
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Tucker fucking knows this.
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This is absurd.
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Yeah, no.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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The point about politicians staying out of our bedrooms is a good thing to think about.
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In the past, this was a saying that was about getting rid of laws that made it illegal to
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be gay.
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Whatever two adults wanted to do in their bedroom wasn't the government's business.
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But Tucker wants the government in your bedroom.
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He's glorifying the Ugandan Anti-Gay Act, which is explicitly the government being in
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your bedroom.
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He's trying to conflate politicians telling you what you can and can't do in your bedroom,
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with a politician being openly gay.
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Pete Buttigieg being openly gay does not impact my freedoms at all, and has absolutely no
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effect on what goes on in my bedroom.
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The idea that some people might like him because he's the first openly gay cabinet member in
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US history has no impact on what goes on in anyone's bedroom.
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On the flip side, legislation like the law in Uganda has a huge impact on bedrooms.
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What happens in your bedroom could get you life in prison.
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Tucker very much wants the government to be in the bedroom, and I think he should just
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own up to that.
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Just cut the shit and be yourself.
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That fucking civil rights line is such an encapsulation of that trap.
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It's just a perfect trap.
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He's a civil rights hero just because he's gay.
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You're the one who's removing rights civilly from gay people.
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You're the one making gayness a civil rights issue that he is then part of because of you.
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You're creating it.
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It's not real.
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It's not real.
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You're making it up whole cloth.
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It's crazy.
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And I think that on some level Tucker has to understand that.
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Of course.
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That's why he's laughing like a prick.
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This is insane.
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So anyway, you know what would be insane?
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Any number of more things.
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If Pete was just faking being gay.
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Well, that actually would be kind of insane.
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That would be nuts.
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There are a lot of rewards in store for someone in the Democratic Party, an ambitious politician,
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someone who really only cares about the goal, which in Pete Buttigieg's case has always
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been becoming president.
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Is it bad to come out of the closet and announce that you're gay?
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No, no, no.
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That's like the only way you're going to get to the White House.
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That's the only way.
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That's your ticket being quote gay.
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Huh.
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So given that that's obviously true and given that this guy dated girls as an adult, it's
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totally fair to ask the question, why are you gay?
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Like, what is this?
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Starting to think that maybe it's not genetic or entirely genetic and if it is, show me
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the gene.
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We've decoded the human genome.
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We can tell you where the gene for eye color comes from.
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Where's the gay gene?
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Maybe there is a gay gene, by the way.
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Lots of things we haven't decoded yet.
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Maybe it's there.
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Are you looking for it?
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Are you trying to answer this question?
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No.
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The whole game is to make you be quiet, ashamed, because there's something to do with sex.
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What are you, a creep focused on sex?
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You're obsessed with gay sex.
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Here we go.
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So maybe Pete is faking being gay to get ahead in the Democratic Party.
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In fact, maybe everyone isn't really gay.
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Maybe this is all a globalist plot.
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Could be a lie.
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And to be clear, Tucker is very much a creep and he's very much obsessed with gay sex.
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People who are in favor of human rights, which apply to gay people, generally aren't that
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interested in the sex side of things.
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Your sexual habits don't dictate what rights you're entitled to, and being gay isn't just
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something that's defined by a particular sex act.
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The thing that really sticks out to me about this, beyond the explicit hate, is how dumb
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this all sounds.
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I feel like Tucker comes off like a guy who should have been part of a panel on Donahue
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when I was a kid, not a thinker and one of the biggest talk show hosts in the world.
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He's very lucky that media has completely collapsed as a professional industry, because
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this low-effort bullshit wouldn't have flown in a competitive industry.
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This is trash.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Jerry Springer evolved in the 90s past this.
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Like this was, Jerry's like, yeah man, of course you can be gay.
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Fuck yeah, fuck whoever you want, I don't give a shit.
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This is ridiculous.
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This is absurd.
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And Jerry Springer evolved past like stage one anger bait.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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You get creative with the fake shows that they put on.
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This is pretty simple stuff here.
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It's ridiculous.
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So, you know, the gays, they're all in Tucker's face.
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They won't leave him alone.
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Yes, they will.
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They could.
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They delighted it.
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And since apart from moral concerns or the concerns of human happiness, does this actually
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make you happy?
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And what does it mean to live as a gay person in the United States?
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What exactly does that look like?
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Like what's your life like?
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How many people do you have sex with?
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How are those unfair questions?
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Since you're the one throwing it in my face and telling me I'm not allowed to be against
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it, maybe I'm allowed to ask the questions I don't really want to ask, don't really want
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to know the answers to.
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But since you've made it the North Star of our moral system in the United States, since
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you're willing to starve an African country because they disagree with it, maybe it's
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time for me to ask those questions because you pushed me to.
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On this and a lot of other issues, if you just back off a little bit, if we could just
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return to the status quo of, say, 1985, where you had a gay people.
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I'm sorry.
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You know, whatever.
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Stonewall.
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But they're not pushing gay sex on my kids in school.
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The question Tucker comes up with when he's like thinking of the hard questions that he's
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being pushed to ask is how many people are you having sex with?
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That's a little telling.
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Tucker's obsessed with the sex part of this, and it really shows he's uncomfortable living
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in a world where homosexuality is normal and it makes him really mad.
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He has to come up with this entire framework of how the gays are shoving it all in his
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face and trying to make his kids gay at school to justify why he's the good guy, and how
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him resorting to very old homophobic bullshit is actually him asking important questions
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that everyone's so afraid to ask.
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It's so funny, too, that Tucker wants to go back to 1985.
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Jesus Christ.
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There may be a lot more acceptance of LGBTQ folks now, and there are certain legal protections
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that have been recognized, but all in all, I think pop culture was way more gay in 1985
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than it is today.
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Two of the top three songs on Billboard 100 for the year were by Wham, and the other one
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was Madonna.
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But they didn't know he was gay back then!
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Careless Whisper was number one.
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They didn't know!
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That's what people believed!
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They were fucking insane!
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If Tucker's real problem was that he's having gay stuff shoved in his face all the time
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now, that would not be solved by retreating to the 80s.
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However, if his problem is that there aren't enough sodomy laws on the books these days
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and you can't discriminate in workplaces and housing, then maybe going back to 85 would
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be up his alley.
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I think that's really what he wants to do.
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I mean, to bring it back to fucking Wham, George Michael got caught in a fucking park
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and everybody went ape shit.
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And it's like, he could have just talked to a guy if we lived in a rational country.
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Instead of having to touch people's hands in a park.
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Yeah.
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Wild.
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Two out of the top three songs on Billboard were Wham.
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Man, they didn't... people are just...
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You forget about that.
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Wham was huge.
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Wham was huge.
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That one album was colossal.
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Yeah, well, I mean, Careless Whisper echoes throughout history.
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And Wake Me Up Before You Go Go.
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Sure, but that one, that's not gonna last as a song.
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That was number three on the charts!
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No, no, no, I mean as a song.
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Careless Whisper, there's a lot of real heart in there.
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It's just the sax.
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Wake Me Up Before You Go To...
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It's the sax.
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You're just a sucker for the sax.
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I am a sucker for the sax.
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That's definitely true.
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So Tucker is like, he's being forced into this situation.
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Because people won't let him be anti-gay.
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So now he has to be the guy who's mad that no one will let him be anti-gay.
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When he could just be anti-gay if he wanted to.
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Be in a hole!
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So he's being forced into this position where he just doesn't want to ask these questions
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but he must.
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Oh, he's our hero.
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And in order to do this, he wants to have a non-hysterical, non-hateful conversation.
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So of course you call in Milo Yiannopoulos.
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Of course.
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Uganda made this crime punishable by death.
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You made their law punishable by famine.
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So who's more serious about it?
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You are.
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Since you did all of that, how about we just slowly in a non-hysterical, obviously non-hateful
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way, ask what are we looking at?
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Why are you gay?
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Why is that a good thing?
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What is it exactly?
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There are a lot of people we could ask about this, but we thought, believe it or not, the
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most articulate person we know to answer these questions is Milo Yiannopoulos, who was very
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famous ten years ago.
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Because we hate you.
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He was a, what was he called, conservative provocateur, running around the country and
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making the case against liberals as an open, in fact, flamboyant gay man.
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And that was part of the shtick, right?
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It's like, we've got a gay guy too.
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What are you going to say now?
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We've got black conservatives too.
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Can't call us racist.
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We've got a gay conservative.
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You can't call us homophobes.
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So this all makes sense.
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Tucker wants to have a serious, non-hysterical, non-hateful conversation about the real hard
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questions about being gay, so of course he gets Milo, one of the most level-headed, calm,
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not hateful people around.
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Yep.
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Slam dunk.
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Yep.
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Tucker also painfully gave up the whole right-wing game there too, where he very clearly admitted
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that the whole point of boosting Milo in the past was because that he was a token gay man
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that they could use to deflect criticism of their ideology being very anti-gay.
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Yep.
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Right-wing dipshits were also excited to use Milo as a prop, but then a couple years later
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he decided he wasn't gay after all.
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It would be like if Tucker's token black conservative that he used back in the day turned out to
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be C. Thomas Howell in Soul Man.
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Yeah.
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Your token gay guy wasn't even gay.
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Turns out.
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Yep.
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Anyway, this is a pathetic attempt on Tucker's part to make a very not serious conversation
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seem like it's very serious.
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He's just getting ready to do a gay bashing interview with a washed-up instigator who
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can't really get people mad anymore.
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So hurrah.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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I brought some bones to pick the corpse of.
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That's what I have chosen to do.
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Now before we get into this, some of you Tucker Carlson listeners out there, some of you in
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Tucker Nation, you might have heard that Milo got canceled for saying some iffy things.
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Do you mean the pedophile stuff?
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Now, it's not that big a deal.
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Oh, okay.
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Because they act like it's a big deal.
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They did it now.
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Even for those of us who were never that interested in the dangerous faggot part of it, if you
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listen you thought, wow, this guy's not dumb at all.
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He's actually very thoughtful.
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Very thoughtful, high IQ guy who thinks about things.
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So over the last couple of years during text conversations, I became aware that Milo had
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decided that he didn't want to be gay anymore.
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I thought that's kind of interesting.
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I didn't know you could decide you didn't want to be gay and then you read about it
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and it turns out there's a whole industry movement and laws designed to prevent you
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from deciding not to be gay.
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Huh?
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You know, parts of the United States have banned conversion therapies.
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You're not allowed to talk to a psychiatrist about not having same sex attraction.
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Is that what you're not allowed to do?
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What is that?
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Is it?
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Like once you're in, you can't get out?
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It's like mandatory gayness?
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What the hell are we looking at?
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Tucker really downplayed the stuff Milo said to get himself canceled.
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It feels like if anybody Tucker didn't like said that kind of stuff, it would be super
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important.
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Probably the most important thing about that person for as long as the rest of their life.
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Oh well.
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Yeah.
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I'm almost impressed by the way that Tucker is trying to present the question around conversion
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therapy.
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The government wants to pass laws to make it so you can't stop being gay.
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All of these people want to not be gay and the conversion therapy people are willing
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to help, but the government doesn't want them to not be gay.
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This is obviously stupid shit, but it's important to understand that adults can make whatever
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health choices they want for themselves.
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If an adult wants to go to conversion therapy kind of thing and see if torture will change
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their sexual orientation, then that's their choice.
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It may not do anything, and the people running it are probably scammers, but whatever.
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They're adults.
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They have the right to do that.
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This whole conversation is mostly around children, whose parents make their medical decisions
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for them.
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A gay child could have parents that are super against their child being gay who make the
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decision to send them to a conversion therapy place against their will, and that's a huge
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problem.
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Cornell University recently released a meta-analysis of 47 papers involving conversion therapy,
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gauging its effectiveness and potential danger.
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Of them, 34 stayed neutral, while 12 found that conversion therapy was ineffective and
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linked to increased depression, suicidality, increased social isolation, and difficulty
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forming intimate bonds.
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Only one study claimed that it was effective, and that study was done with all highly religious
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participants and even says that its findings, quote, cannot be generalized beyond the present
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sample.
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How about that?
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No one really has a problem with a gay adult who isn't happy with their sexuality exploring
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whether they would be happier if they were straight.
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I think most people would expect that it's, you know, I don't know if that's gonna work.
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Maybe their energies could be better directed at figuring out what they're unhappy about,
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but no one's interested in forcing gay people to stay gay.
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We are, however, very opposed to allowing homophobic parents to send their kids off
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to be tortured, which is what Tucker wants.
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Yep.
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Yeah, I mean, whenever you just have an abuse factory, I suppose people who like to manufacture
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abuse are real mad that you don't allow them to make abuse anymore.
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It's wild.
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You know, like, if we want to make abuse, we gotta have these kids to abuse.
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Man, I think that there's a very, very fucked up angle that Tucker is embarking down with
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this like super support of conversion therapy.
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The amount of stuff that is re-fucking- rewritten kidnapping.
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That's half of the stuff that is going on right now.
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They just want kidnapping.
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If you're an immigrant, kidnapped.
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You need to be in constant fear that your entire life will suddenly be removed from
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you.
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That way you won't get together and force us to tax rich people.
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Yeah, and at any point you could be sent to the place where you're fixed.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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We'll send you to the place that'll make you not gay anymore.
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We'll send you to the place where we put the immigrants.
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We don't call it conversion therapy because it's a therapy for conversion.
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It's because re-education camp sounds real bad.
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Sure.
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Sounds real bad.
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Re-education camp.
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Right?
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Like we torture you in the Vietnam.
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Yeah.
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So, I apologized at the beginning of this episode and I'm gonna apologize again because
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we're about to get into the Milo portion.
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Get a lot of F slurs.
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But I am convinced that if you are ever going to get those superpowers, it has to be Milo
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and Tucker talking.
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That has to be the most annoying fucking thing that you have ever heard.
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The frequency range is clearly created purely to torture me.
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So yeah.
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I'm hoping for claws.
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Hoping you don't go nuclear and just blow up.
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Maybe I'll just get another foot.
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I'll take a third foot.
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I'd be excited.
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Sure.
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So here we go.
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You're really nice to do this.
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I'm glad you came.
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I want to begin with a quick- Are you the only person that have me on?
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I'm joking.
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No, I'm actually really interested.
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I'm interested in this topic.
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I've never been interested in it, but I want to begin by asking you-
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It's icky, isn't it?
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It's icky.
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Well, sort of, and personal, but it's occurred to me, particularly when I have interviewed
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Republican politicians, particularly neocons over the years.
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I've always- I'm a sexuality comes to mind.
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I can't think why.
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I've always wanted to say in a Ugandan accent, are you gay?
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Why are you gay?
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Let me ask, are you gay?
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Were you gay?
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Like what is gay?
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Nobody's gay.
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Nobody's gay.
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After that clip, which is the best thing on the internet, he changes the question, the
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interrogative to a declarative.
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He says, why are you gay?
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And she starts, you know, it starts talking.
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You are gay.
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It becomes a statement.
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And this is where he goes, this is where he loses me because nobody is gay.
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Wow.
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What a thesis.
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No one is gay.
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The first thing, if you start with that, my first response is, Jesus Christ, go back to
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school.
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Go back to fucking college.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Or like, is public life for you?
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Right?
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Like what are we doing?
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Is this good?
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Is this healthy?
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Or everybody's gay.
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Fuck off.
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Fuck off.
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You understand that we're talking about a fictional conversation that you're just choosing
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to make up some bullshit on your own as a way of distracting from the fact that you
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don't want to engage with the reality of the situation, which is that that man wants you
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dead.
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But fine.
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And he's still like the political movement that Tucker represents does not care that
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you are now straight.
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No, no, no, absolutely.
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They do not care at all.
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They remember.
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They remember.
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You're gay enough.
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Yes.
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Do you think being in an interracial relationship is going to be fine later on?
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No.
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No, they remember and they'll remember if you're not in that interracial relationship
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and it won't matter.
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Yeah.
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Milo tries to explain here that it's not a sexuality.
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The gay doesn't exist.
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Sure.
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In almost every case and in certainly in every male case, it is a trauma response.
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It is not a sexuality.
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It is not part of what you are or who you are or a component of your personality or
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a function of it.
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It is a set of behaviors that emerges in people with a number of very easily identifiable
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common etiologies.
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One of them is, well, so for instance, among black and Jewish Americans, they report statistically
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significantly higher rates of homosexuality.
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Why could that be overbearing moms and absent dads or in the Jewish case, nebbish fathers?
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My Jewish friends, I always call their marriages are like lion taming where you have a sort
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of nebbish scholarly bookish dad and a larger than life mom who one day decides she's going
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to be a rabbi.
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That or in the black community, of course, just the fatherlessness.
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And it's why if you're born this way, if you don't have some other better explanation,
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could it be the case that there are more gays among black and Jewish populations where something's
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going on here?
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Why are we getting more trans and more gays and then less gays?
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Why?
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Because this is in fact a symptom.
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In fact, this is a product of something.
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It's the result of something.
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Well, this was Freud's position, which was kind of conventional wisdom for the better
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part of 100 years, that this was a response to the environment and particularly to the
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relationship with the mother that a young boy has and relationship with his father.
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I mean, this was this was like people just assume that was true when I was a kid.
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They were not gay haters or homophobes.
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Just that was a state of knowledge on the subject.
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One of the only things Freud got right was that.
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Oh, man.
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So convenient that the guy who was wrong about everything happens to be right about the one
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thing you agree with him about.
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No need to explore that phenomenon.
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Right.
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So Milo is just wrong about stats.
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There aren't higher levels of homosexuality in black and Jewish men, but he's a Jewish
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guy and he was married to a black man.
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So I can't help but feel like a lot of this is personal.
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When he's talking about the Jewish guy who was an overbearing mom, it's not subtle that
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it feels like he's talking about himself.
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And that's where things can get really messy for me and this interview.
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I do not believe that abuse and trauma necessarily can change your sexuality, but I do believe
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that it can mess you up a bit and make things unclear.
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If your primary definition for what a gay person is is just a guy who has sex with a
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guy, then that's going to include a bunch of people who aren't gay.
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Some of them are heterosexuals experimenting, some are bi, some are people who have suffered
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trauma and are acting out, but most of them are going to be gay.
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What Milo is trying to do is invalidate the existence of gay people by cherry picking
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an example of someone who suffered some trauma which led to them having sex with men.
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That person, who happens to be Milo, did all the things you expect a gay person to do,
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but they aren't gay, therefore no one is.
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I'm perfectly willing to accept Milo at his word that he's not gay anymore.
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I truly don't care, but I do take issue with someone trying to very obviously project their
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own battle onto everyone else.
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All of the gay people in the world aren't wrong about being gay.
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Milo was.
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This is a personal thing that is not universalizable, and that's the trap that he falls into over
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and over and over again.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I hate going back to it, but I have such a hard time not...
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It should be a matter of mild interest.
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You know, like, oh, that makes blood rush to your genital region?
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How about that?
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That's it.
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That's as complicated as it is, right?
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That's none of my business.
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Interesting.
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But I'm gonna get out of here.
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Doesn't matter.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Sure.
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It's wild.
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Yeah, I think that I'm fascinated by how angry it can make someone.
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Right?
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So this next clip is Milo making a statement about the United States and introducing a
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concept that is built on the old F slur that explains, I think, maybe what he wants to
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put on a t-shirt, maybe wants to sell a shirt with this on it.
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All right.
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Now you see the terminology in the medical industry has begun to change as well because,
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you know, now gay people are sort of saturated everywhere.
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You know, like when you get a...
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It's kind of like America.
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You get a whole country full of people who are very similar but all think they're really,
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really individual.
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That's deep.
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P.S.
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I do know what that looks like.
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And you know, sort of America is a very faggotized country in all kinds of ways.
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That's the technical term.
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If you want to know the truth about homosexuality, you've got to go to black YouTube and listen
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to the girls.
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How do you get to black YouTube, by the way?
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You know, it's a sort of tumbling, it's a tumbling kind of thing.
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You find one good video by somebody who's like,
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Mmm, Steph Curry, mm-mm, you're faggotized.
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Sorry.
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And then, you know, you'll tumble through the algorithm.
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I'll send you some links.
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I'll post some links on my Twitter.
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I don't know if I dare, but you're saying that's the more honest YouTube.
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It's the only honest YouTube.
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It's the only honest anything.
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Because you go past the churches and you see the white homo demon stealing your man.
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And it's not the pastor who comes up with this stuff.
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It's his wife.
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It's his wife who's got this, you know, who was trying to set her girlfriend up with somebody
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and that was all great.
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But he went off with a dude, which is sort of equidistant for them from going off with
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a white girl or whatever.
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But no, the only honest place where people will just be like,
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Mmm, did it faggotize?
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And then they'll go, and then they'll go, and then they'll go, and then they'll go,
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amazing.
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Lebron?
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Faggotized.
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And they'll go through it all.
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So you can really see Milo turn on like a light switch as soon as he was able to start
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talking about something that he hopes will offend people.
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It was a lot of that weird mid-Atlantic Thurston Howell ass droning.
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He was just droning on.
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But then as soon as he could start dropping f-slurs and doing impressions of black YouTubers,
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he got a little life in him.
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I think this is the real tragedy of Milo.
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He loves being an asshole so much.
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He got so rich and was able to do coke and be mean to people for a living, sucking off
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the teeth of the Mercers and Steve Bannon.
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Those were the good old days before he got canceled for calling child abuse victims quote,
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whinging selfish brats.
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He doesn't want to do the stuffy, no one is really gay act.
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He wants to get out there and play, but there's no money for him to make in that anymore.
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He has to do this shit.
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It's sad.
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And then listening to it now, you see that it is the exact same thing that led him to
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calling child abuse victims whinging.
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It's him just being an asshole.
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There's nothing behind it.
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There's no like, oh, when I hear him call children of abuse something, it means anything.
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It means nothing.
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It is just a noise to make you go, ah, like that.
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That's it.
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If he could get away with just going, and that's all he needed to do, that's what he
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would do.
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Essentially his professional career is just a guy who incites.
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So he's good at doing that.
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And that's all he really wants to do and has fun doing.
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There is nothing creative.
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There is nothing at the end of it that you can take with you.
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There is no part of the human spirit that is fucking massaged into beauty by this trash.
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Yeah.
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And I think that this path is maybe the worst option for him.
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Like this seems like-
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Or anyone in the world, ever.
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It hurts a lot of people.
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It promotes toxic, awful things that hurt other people.
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But I also think for him, it's so clear that there are these moments of just like this
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guy wanting to go.
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And I'm not saying that he wants to be gay or anything like that.
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It's just like he wants to be an asshole in the same way he used to.
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That's what I'm here for.
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It is almost kind of confusing the situation that he's placed in, wherein he is where he
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is because of that assholery, but he's also being asked to not engage in the thing that
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got him there.
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Yeah.
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Be serious.
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We need you to really help us bash gay people.
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No.
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What?
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No, I want to do black Twitter impressions.
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This is me.
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This is why I'm here.
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I wouldn't have been here if I wasn't that guy.
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If I had started out being like, oh, there aren't any gay people.
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No one would have paid attention to me.
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No.
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And I'm only doing this kind of shit in order to make enough money so I can be an asshole.
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I want to go back to that.
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Yes.
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How do we not all understand what's happening right now?
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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So Milo believes that gay people are just the result of trauma and that this somehow
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has to do with the devil being mad because he can't have kids.
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That'll happen.
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So they start off with this, you know, you were born this way.
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Honey, you are born this way, honey.
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You are beautiful.
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Whatever you are.
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No, you're like that because you got raped by a priest or you're like that because your
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mom was overbearing and your dad wasn't around or you're like that because you failed to
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form a platonic stable attachments to other men as a child.
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For some reason, maybe you didn't have a good male role model or whatever, but there is
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a relatively small number of identifiable and repeated etiologies that mark somebody
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out as being vulnerable to this.
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And you look into the histories of gay people, they'll all deny it.
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They'll say, well, that's just me.
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But it's not.
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And they know, they know because I knew and they know and I talked to them privately when
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there's no cameras that I could squeeze it out of them eventually that you get there.
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Yes, there's something about their sexual activity they know isn't right.
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And it's not just in the technical sense that the sex is sterile and therefore can never
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be part of the Holy Sacrament of marriage because it can't be co-procreation with God,
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right?
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Yes.
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And you know, you make a physical body with your wife, but then God puts a soul in.
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Right.
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And that's why it's the most precious.
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When does he do that?
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When does he put that soul in?
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You know, you do the others, you do your confirmation of the rest of it.
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Is it right away?
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Is it later?
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It's leading up to you getting to make something with God, right?
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Is it the cervix?
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Which is the real reason that Lucifer is so mad and because the angels can't do that,
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right?
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Oh, he's so mad!
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The angels don't get to participate in creation with our Lord.
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Every single human being does.
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This all just feels like Milo talking about himself, as if he needs to explain to the
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audience why he was gay for a while.
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This is a really dumb mission to take on because people in Tucker's audience aren't going
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to believe that he's straight all of a sudden and are always going to think of him as gay.
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Meanwhile, the people who hated Milo were fine with his sexuality, they just hated his
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politics and how much of an asshole he was.
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He still has the same politics and he's still an asshole so that group isn't going
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to like him any more or less now.
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There's nothing to gain or lose here.
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Also, I'm glad we're having a non-hysterical conversation about homosexuality where we're
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arguing that Lucifer is mad because angels can't have babies and that's why gay sex
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isn't fun.
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I like that one.
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Cool, man!
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I like that comic book version of Christianity where it's like, oh, well, everybody knows
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that the angels are bummed out all the time because they don't get to fuck!
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Like, is that in the Bible?
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Which parable was Jesus like, dude, you guys don't even know.
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All my buds up there, they want to fuck all the time!
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All the time!
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Well, they do and it's unsatisfying.
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Right?
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And that's why morality makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, I think that a lot of the stuff that he's saying in there is clearly
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just like his own feelings.
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Yeah.
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Like, I knew that what I was doing was wrong.
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Thinly veiled.
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Thinly veiled.
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You can't universalize this as easily as you want to, Milo.
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If you, it is the rule of projection that if you start projecting something that seems
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reasonable, the longer you go on, the more likely you are to just be talking about you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Milo has one thing in common with me and that is that he has a cat.
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Oh!
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And he talks about how that makes him want to be a dad.
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Great.
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This is going to sound completely pathetic, but I have some kind of pathetic simulacrum
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of it and now I've become a cat dad.
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It's in the terms of like caring for something helpless.
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Yes.
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And it's bringing out of me something that I know is going to lead to fatherhood.
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A cat is helpless?
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Because I'm responsible for this being that loves and laughs and they do, you know, and
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requires regular, not just maintenance, but affection and to be tended to and loved.
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Like I love dogs.
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I used to be more of a dog guy, but I live in a house on the National Register of Historic
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Places so I can't have dogs.
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And so I got a cat one day, you know, just because somebody found it in an engine and
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I was like, I'm so alone.
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So I said, Charlotte, give me the, give me the, give me the, give me the damn kitten.
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And at that point I wasn't sure I was going to drown it, wear it or nurture it.
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But I was just like, oh, okay.
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And being responsible for shaping the personality, which anybody who has animals who loves animals
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knows that is 100% real.
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So shaping the personality, nurturing that being into either being a parent itself or
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just to being a companion or to being the best that it can be, right?
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It's bringing something out in me, you know, that wasn't present when I was having a lot
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of what most people would regard as, well, what homosexuals would regard as very desirable
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kind of sex, you know, with a particular kind of person or whatever.
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If I understand that clip correctly, Milo was saying that having a cat has made him
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want to be a dad and those aren't feelings that he ever got from having sex with men.
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Awesome.
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I don't know why this is a conversation that makes sense or needs to happen.
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I mean, yes, there are stars out skied and so I am hungry on Tuesdays.
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It makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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Also as a guy with a cat, I take issue with him saying that cats are helpless.
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I've never once thought Celine was helpless and that she'd be fucked without me.
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It seems like a very narcissistic way to look at having a pet, especially one with
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claws.
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She'd be fine.
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I mean, my dogs would be fucked without me.
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That's definitely true.
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Yeah, but that's because of the breeding.
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Yeah, that's because they're helpless.
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They are helpless.
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Human beings have spent several, what, tens of thousands of years breeding animals into
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such that they can't survive on their own without me.
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Yeah, but Celine's a street cat.
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It does?
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Okay.
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She's like Heathcliff.
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Okay, so here's my problem with somebody bringing up Lucifer's feelings on something.
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Now I need to know how many feelings on how many things he has, right?
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So Lucifer's jealous of us because gay people-
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No, because people can create life with God.
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Sure.
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Sounds good.
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And so gay people can't have fun.
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That's fine.
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That makes sense.
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But now how does Lucifer feel about having a cat?
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Can Lucifer have a cat?
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Is he jealous about having a cat?
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Does Lucifer feel like having a cat is wrong?
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Does Lucifer feel like cats shouldn't be pets?
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Does Lucifer feel like cats domesticated human beings?
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And so he admires them even more.
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I would think, now I'm just spit balling here.
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I would think that Satan can't have a pet.
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Okay.
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All right.
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What about like Cerberus?
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I mean, well, hey, listen, the rules, all bets are off since now I know angels are trying
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to fuck all the time, but because gay people exist, they're sad.
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Or whatever.
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No, no, no.
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And because heterosexual people exist and have children with the union of God, that
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makes the angels...
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No, the angels are totally fine with it.
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It was just Lucifer who was bent out of shape about it.
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And that's why he made everyone gay.
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Now listen.
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Yes.
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This makes sense.
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I think that one of the things I would imagine about Satan is that he's not capable of forming
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good attachments.
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Okay.
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I think that bonds are tough with him.
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Like a good friend.
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Something like that.
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So I think the relationship between pet and person, I don't think Lucifer could handle
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it.
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I think that the cat would die.
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Yeah, I know.
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But I mean, I feel like he's got a better chance of emotionally connecting because it's
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something he can't make a deal with.
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You know?
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Like there's no situation where you go to Georgia and the devil's got like a thing for
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the cat to sign.
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He can't make a deal with the cat.
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Are you fucking serious?
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What?
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Yes, he can.
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Can you play the violin, Dan?
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If it gets possessed by a demon, it can.
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All right.
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Well, I mean, I would watch a cat play the violin.
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Sure.
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And I would assume it was possessed by the devil.
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Yeah.
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Fair enough.
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So Milo, he expounds on his theory a little bit that gayness is just a trauma kind of
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thing.
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Sure.
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Great.
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Keep on going.
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And now it's also just an addiction.
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Great.
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You get to the heart of it if you're sort of one-on-one with the gay.
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They won't just talk about the emptiness of their life or the fact that the sex is sterile
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or whatever.
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You know that there's something not quite right.
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And so...
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And that its origin is there at something that was not quite right.
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Have you ever been addicted to anything?
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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Big time.
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So you know there's that moment when your mind is flooded and it's all you can think
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about.
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Yes.
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And it's all that you can... you've got to get it out because if you don't do a line
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or have a smoke or do something, if you don't get it out, it's just going to be all you
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can think about for the rest of the day.
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It's driving you crazy because it floods your mind.
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Yeah.
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I've been addicted to one or two little things.
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And I realized my sex works the same way.
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I believe that.
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I realized that when I was on a plane, I'm sitting down, 18 1-A, sitting on the plane,
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I'm like, yeah, I have a gin and tonic girl.
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And then there's two gay snakes.
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And then a basketball player, well not a basketball player, they're all gay nerds, but you know
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like a football player would sit next to me.
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Like it would take hold of me.
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There were times I had to like go to the bathroom and like, you know, yeah.
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Because I had to get rid of it because it was taking hold of my mind.
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It sounds like a demon.
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Yeah.
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Because it's what it is.
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If Milo just wanted to say that for him sex was a compulsion that he felt like he couldn't
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control, no one would have any problem with that.
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I fully believe that he was a dude who was out of control and how he engaged with sex
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was probably unhealthy.
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Totally.
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That's all good, but it doesn't mean that all gay people are like that.
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Do you know how many dudes at a young age are kind of out of control and unsure of their
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sexuality and kind of acting out about it?
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All of them!
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Yeah, quite a few.
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But this is a common theme in this interview and I think in Milo's life where he takes
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something that applies to himself and his story and instead of dealing with his feelings
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about it in a healthy way, he just accuses all gay people of being like him.
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This projection is just very, very weird.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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And it's pretty transparent.
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I wonder if it's even...
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Okay.
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So I wonder if it's even possible for him to actually engage with what it is he's doing.
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Like regardless of whether or not he truly believes or doesn't believe any of this stuff,
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he is in an environment that has reinforced over and over and over again that his entire
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existence is wrong and it's a crime against God.
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And he's played into that in order to get the advantage that he wants out of that, even
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though probably he believes that he knows it's not the case.
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Or conversely, he does believe that about himself.
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He believes that he deserves to go to hell and he's evil and bad.
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Right.
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Until then, all of that comes back to he's playing into this guy's hands to make other
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people feel the same way about him.
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And can he actually honestly engage with the concept of his abuse is being used as an amplifying
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device to hurt other people?
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No, I don't think that he...
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Well, I do think it's possible that he could get that, but I don't think that he could
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without leaving public life.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I don't think that Milo Yiannopoulos as a public figure could ever deal with wrestling
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with that.
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I think it's really, really hard.
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I think that's the existential question for him is if I do this, I have to quit.
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So I am willing to do anything.
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Anything.
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And yeah.
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Yep.
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I just...
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Yeah, you should quit.
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So he talks about how sex and cocaine are the same.
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I realized that...
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I don't do cocaine anymore, but it'll shock people to learn I used to be a bit of a cokehead.
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When I was...
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That rush of dopamine, the rituals associated with it as well, I was like, oh my God, that's
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how I feel about sex.
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And that can't be right.
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It can't be right.
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No.
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It's literally...
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I'm not just talking about gay sex, but that is literally a perversion of what it's supposed
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to be.
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And it's also other things too, because these things go hand in hand.
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May I ask how in your own with this on to personal, how did you wind up?
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I think we're there now.
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I think we are.
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No, but...
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I just told you I wanked on UA 1722.
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I just cracked one out in the bathroom.
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People are never going to sit next to me on planes again.
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I think we're good.
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So this has nothing to do with Milo being gay or not.
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He could have been compulsively having sex with women and it would have been the same
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problem.
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So pretending this has anything to do with being gay or projecting this onto all gay
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people is really weird and definitely a motivated strategy.
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And I think it's stupid.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know how...
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Maybe it's because I just have talked to too many people, honestly.
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But it feels like everybody's brain is constantly firing with weird shit.
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And sometimes you catch a stray and you're like, oh my God, why is my brain
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doing that?
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It's fine.
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Everybody's brain is doing that.
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Don't feel shame about it.
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Maybe don't tell everybody about it.
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But you know, it's fine.
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Yeah.
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You're fine.
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Yeah.
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Your brain is a complicated piece of machinery.
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Nobody knows how it works.
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Yeah.
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Nobody does.
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Some thoughts are intentional.
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Some thoughts come out of nowhere.
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And sometimes you're like, wow, what's that?
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Nobody knows.
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It's fine.
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You'll move on.
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Everybody will be okay with it.
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No one cares.
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And I think that understanding that, yeah, it is probably true that Milo dealt with sex
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the same way that he did with cocaine.
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And there was an addictive quality to all of this.
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Yeah, that can be true and still doesn't mean anything about gayness writ large.
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Nothing.
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And it's kind of pathetic to try and do this.
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It doesn't make whatever you're going through easier to go through.
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It doesn't wash away whatever mistakes you've made in the past.
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It just hurts other people.
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Yep.
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And it boils down something that's deeply human into just sensory response.
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It boils down so many different things into if I'm a mouse in an experiment, I'm going
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to press the button to get the cheese.
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So am I an addict?
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That means it's meaningless.
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It's meaningless.
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So at the end of that last clip, Tucker was trying to get into the subject of, how'd you
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become gay?
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How was that?
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What happened there?
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And so we get to that.
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You never get to ask, you know, everyone's telling you how proud they are to be gay,
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and that's great and all that.
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But the sin, by the way, pride is a sin.
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Well, I agree with that.
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But you never get to ask, like, how did you start being gay?
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Like it was specifically described with, you know.
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The way I remember it.
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The PG way, right?
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If you insist.
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No, the way I remember it.
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We've done enough, I know.
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The way I remember it is I just did it to piss off my mother, but that's not true.
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I think that's self-mythologization.
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You know, like I did take a lot of drug dealers home when I was in...
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Were you close to your mom?
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When I was in high school.
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She married...
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So I'll answer your question.
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I'll skip back first.
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Let me do that first.
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My dad was in organized crime.
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Funny, charismatic, brilliant.
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There are things about like, maybe Alex Jones that remind me of him a little bit.
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Just in that kind of like, just a certain manner, you know.
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Like a bit of a bruiser, but with the heart, you know.
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You know, like he's a bad guy with a heart of gold.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I have no other feel.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, like I cleave to that kind of personality.
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It reminds me a little bit of the good bits of my dad, right.
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But there was another section which Alex does not have.
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Which was that, you know, he was a bad guy and I saw him do really bad things to people.
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I would come down, I told this story before, but I would come down sometimes the kitchen
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door would be closed and I would hear, you know, Nicky, Nicky, I'm giving up a life of
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crime.
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I'm turning over a new leaf.
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I'm not going to do anything that's going to give me any more than 18 months.
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You know, it's funny, but...
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It's all about goals, Milo.
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Lot of self-mythologizing here.
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But I think it's fun that Milo associates Alex with his dad, who is involved in organized
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crime that he later specifies as money laundering.
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Wow.
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I wonder if that's what he associates.
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I mean, is that even really a crime?
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Come on.
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Except for when Alex is doing it to avoid a bankruptcy court.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, Alex is a bad dude.
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I would be interested to know what qualifies as a heart of gold for these people.
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Yeah.
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You know, like what, what are they doing that really elevates it to you?
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Because I would posit that most of the people Tucker has known in his entire life have very
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not hearts of gold.
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I think maybe it's like they give a good toast.
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That probably sounds right.
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Yeah.
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That genuinely sounds right.
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That's what you got to do.
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Their spirit shines through while they're really drunk and raising a glass.
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They bought me a nice watch.
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Yeah.
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Heart of gold.
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Jesus Christ.
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Heart of gold.
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Heart of gold.
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I think Milo is embellishing his dad's criminality, but he does talk about, uh, like seeing his
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dad hurt people and stuff and how that was not, not an image that he liked.
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Sure.
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Um, and so his mom got a divorce and a stepdad came into the picture.
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But I saw some of it and I think maybe somewhere in my head it was like, yeah, if that's being
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a man, I think I'm out.
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Because I was a child, I was frightened.
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And then my mother left him and married a new guy and he was very like, he's sort of
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a nice guy now, but, but, um, he would go through all my stuff.
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Like if I had papers, you know, if I was reading something for school or whatever, he would
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like when I was out, go through every page and just sort of leave it like this.
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Just, it's just that I knew that he'd been in there, you know, and that kind of like
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invasive, like, like just horrifying.
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Like it was just for a very sensitive artistic child like me.
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You know, I was already on my way then, you know, having had a lot much larger than life
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grandmother who was like, you know, egging this stuff on.
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And by this time I had had some interactions, sexual interactions with a Roman Catholic
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priest who's dead now, been dead for a long time, but that had obviously, you know, that
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fed into it as well.
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Wait, wait, stop, stop.
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That obviously fed into it right.
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Well, if you're being molested.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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Also the molestation.
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No, but, but really for me, this is, this is why it's important to do the other stuff
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first before you get, oh, and I was raped by a priest.
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But, but, but, but, but, but this sort of psychological torture as I, as I experienced
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it was, you know, sort of like, I had no private space anywhere and I knew that all the men
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in my life were just not things I wanted to become.
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Yes.
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And then I cast my, see if you let me get to it.
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Then I cast my mind back to a lovely old rich man and a frog, Father Michael.
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And I, and I, and I, who had not been like that with me.
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And one of the things that got me into trouble 10 years ago was when I said, I felt like
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the kind of the aggressor in that situation.
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I didn't know what bad stuff it had done to me.
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And at that time I didn't, um, you know, I made a couple of jokes that got, uh, GOP Inc.
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uh, hot and bothered cause they're all faggots.
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Um, and they, they're talking about the, some of the things they're talking about today,
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kind of toppling out, you know.
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Um, it sounds like Milo had a tough time growing up and that sucks.
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It doesn't mean that everyone's just faking being gay as a trauma response though.
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I do think that a lot of what Milo was saying that ended up getting him canceled is stuff
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that involves shit he hadn't processed yet.
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In a lot of cases, what he was saying was something that was really about his own experience,
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which only became offensive when he tried to generalize it to everyone else.
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So for instance, if he had just said that he didn't feel victimized by the sexual interaction
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he had with that priest, a lot of people might've disagreed with him, but ultimately it's his
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right to feel however he wants about his life.
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The problem was that he expanded this to suggesting that other 13 year olds shouldn't feel victimized
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by the same kind of sexual interaction with adults.
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And that's what got him in trouble.
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If he'd kept it about himself, it would be fine.
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It's almost like when you tell everybody else how to live their lives, they get real unhappy
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about it.
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Yeah.
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But if you just live your life and discuss your experience, wild!
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Ultimately, he's doing the same thing now, where the point he's making is completely
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fine for him to feel about his own sexuality and life experience, it just becomes stupid
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and offensive when he's trying to act like it's some universal truth.
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If he'd stop doing that, then the stuff he's saying would be mostly fine.
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But unfortunately his entire career is built on making people mad by saying stuff that's
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not fine.
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So I think some of this is done on purpose.
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Yeah.
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I just think that there's something really fascinating about the way that this seems
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to be his pattern of what he just keeps doing.
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Where there's something that's defensible or kind of like, maybe on the edge that he
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could express about his own experience.
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And instead of doing that, he universalizes it and then it becomes a big shit pile.
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You know, my wife likes to watch true crime documentaries, of course, like the world does,
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I suppose.
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But this is that type of psychopath shit.
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If you go to a prison with a psychopath who's murdered like eight people, they will tell
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you about their entire life and what's true and what's not true, you'll never know.
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But yes, of course they were traumatized.
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So many people were traumatized who didn't go on to become serial killers.
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Only you have to take responsibility for your own fucking shit.
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No, it's true.
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It's true.
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Like I'm with you.
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But sooner or later, guess what?
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Other people didn't do this shit.
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You are hurting people.
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Yeah.
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And the individual path that Milo went on, whether or not the trauma that he experienced
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as a child and through his time growing up, how much of that informed his drug abuse and
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sexual behaviors and all that stuff.
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Who knows?
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Only he knows that fully.
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But to pretend that his experience unlocks like a Rosetta Stone that explains everyone's
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experience is fucking stupid.
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And that's where we go from like, hey, I feel for you, man.
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I think that it sucks that you had to go through this and I hope you can work on this and get
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it all together to go fuck yourself.
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You are going to get tons of people hurt and killed.
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It's just, there's a line.
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You draw a line somewhere.
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Yeah.
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There's that difference between somebody who is like, like you have to get to a place where
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at some point in your life in the past you go, I could have made a different choice.
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Right?
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Because if you're the type of person who's like, no, I made every choice correctly.
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It's just how it is.
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You know, then you get to this place where you're like, well, everybody else would have
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made the same choice.
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Nobody else could have made a different choice.
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There's no way to do things differently than the way I did them.
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And so of course I can judge everybody else.
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Right?
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I'm the only person that matters.
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Well that's an unhealthy viewpoint.
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That's not a good one.
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I probably wouldn't do that.
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So Milo, despite all of this, he's happy now.
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Not like his dumb friends.
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I carved out a much, I have a new kind of career and a new life now that I much prefer.
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Which is more satisfying, lucrative, blah, blah, blah.
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We'll do it later.
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So I haven't gone crazy like so many of my friends.
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And it's funny watching them.
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Because I see some of the, in the way that their personalities have become kind of empty
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and sharded and become filled with wickedness, I see some of the things that I have been
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working the last 10 years to get away from that created this sexual behavior.
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They've become faggotized.
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You know?
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Well there does seem to be a connection.
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The incidence of closeted homosexuality on the right is like overwhelming.
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It's like way above what you would imagine is statistically probable.
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Three straight guys on the right.
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It's like Alex, you, and I have a floating wild card just in case I forgot anybody.
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Who else is there?
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What else is there?
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I mean maybe the Tates.
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But who else is there?
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What is that?
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It's funny that Milo says that there's three straight men on the right and he names Alex,
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Tucker, and fill in the blank.
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Shouldn't he say himself?
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That's weird.
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Huh.
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Oh well.
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Well, you know, you used to not have to say that because it wasn't true.
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But now that it's true but not true, you have to say it.
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But since it's not actually true, you forget to say it sometimes.
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Right.
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And you want to give a shout out to those sex trafficking brothers who are so cool.
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You got to make sure that you're on their good side.
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Yeah.
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Wild.
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So yeah, Tucker really wants to get into this idea that there's like a ton of closeted gay
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people on the right wing.
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Right.
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And why is that?
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What's going on with this?
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Because everybody loves a witch hunt.
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Sure.
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So but what is, and I'm not attacking anybody and I never want to out people because I don't
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want to stop my business.
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I've never done it.
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And I mean maybe...
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I live to out people.
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I live to out people.
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On which subject?
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Cory Booker.
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Did you see?
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But what is that?
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Why is there, why is it so common on the right, well of course on the left too, but on the
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right with closeted gays?
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Like I don't get that.
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It's an interesting question I've never heard a really good answer to.
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I'll be honest with you.
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I got one.
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I suppose I should have.
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I got an easy one.
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But I don't.
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And I think, but I think if it's...
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Because you guys hate them.
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...about the exercise of power over others.
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Yes.
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Because...
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I feel that.
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I'm not sure why that's true but I feel that that's true.
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What's the worst thing about magic?
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It's not that you can turn a person into a frog or you can make yourself look more beautiful
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or you can whatever.
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What's the worst thing about magic is that it robs others of agency.
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That you can make them do things they don't want to do.
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The worst and most sinister bit of magic is that you can trick someone or compel someone
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against their will to fall in love with you or to throw themselves off a cliff.
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That's kind of slavery.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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And the frightening thing about magic is its ability to compel the wills of others.
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Yes.
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Right?
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And that's what I think homosexuals are seeking when they... because they feel so powerless
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in their own lives and have this understanding that they are broken people without agency
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over their own sex lives, over their bodies, over that down there.
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Like I don't even have control over me but I'm damn well gonna have control over you.
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That's I think a lot of it.
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And so if you dovetail that in with the...
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I know you're telling the truth here.
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I don't fully understand what you're saying but I... it comports with a lot of what I've seen.
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That's great Tucker.
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That's crazy!
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Yeah.
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No!
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No!
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The reason there's a higher proportion of closeted gay people on the right wing is because
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they know that the right wing base is inherently hostile towards gay people and that they think
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they're living in sin.
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So Milo's answer to why there are so many closeted gay people in the GOP is a dumb thought
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about magic and how it's an attempt to exert control over people because gay people don't
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feel like they have control over their own sexuality.
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Again, this is something that Milo felt, not something that's universalizable for all gay
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people.
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But even leaving that aside, his answer makes no sense.
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This doesn't explain why there are more closeted gay people in the right wing.
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Milo's answer would make sense if Tucker was trying to figure out why there's a disproportionate
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number of gay people in politics, then the thought at least tracks, but as it stands,
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this is a non-sequitur and one that's a very sad projection at that.
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Also magic isn't real.
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That was the thing that I kept going back to.
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Yeah, the hypnotist who comes and performs at your local comedy club cannot make you
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into a chicken.
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It cannot make you cluck around on stage.
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Nope.
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No, I mean, what a wild metaphor to go with.
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That's crazy.
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Let me ask you, what is the worst part?
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I thought it was that I run out of mana.
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Come on.
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Do you know what the worst part of magic is?
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The decades of practice where you're alone by yourself over and over and over again,
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messing with this one card over and over and over again, alone by yourself, alone working
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with this one card.
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That's the worst part of magic.
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That's what it is.
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And if you could get somebody else to do that for you, you fucking would.
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Sure.
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Yep.
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So magic.
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Great.
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Um, uh, Milo seems to think that gay people are attracted to the magic of power in the
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government and that maybe that also is why they like to be Catholic priests because pretty
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much all Catholic priests are gay.
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Great.
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I have to say, I'm sorry to say it, I must say it.
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Some dimensions in some respects, I can see that that might be something that attracts
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homosexuals to the Catholic church, for instance.
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Just the illusion of being a bishop.
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I mean, for National Review magazine, you know, which is, you know, just save me.
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It's all right.
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I'm happy to talk about the Catholic element of it.
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I mean, the bishops are all faggots.
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I mean, they're all whoopsies.
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Got em.
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They're all whoopsies?
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Gays.
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I like that one.
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It contains within it a kernel of the sort of slapstick that I think we have to...
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One of the ways I got myself off it was imagining myself in that situation as ridiculous.
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Like I can't even perceive that I would do something so ridiculous.
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That laughing at it became... because you know, I laughed as the death of arousal, right?
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I totally agree.
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So I read this, or something like that went off the back of my head.
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Anyone who's ever been laughed at naked can tell you that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, never have, but...
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I haven't either.
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I'll tell you.
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I can help.
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That moment is perfect.
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Milo thinks he's come up with something witty, saying that laughter is the death of arousal.
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And Tucker comes in to top it off with a little self-deprecating humor, saying that anyone
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who's been laughed at naked can tell you that.
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Milo responds by saying that he's never experienced that, which is still in the territory of building
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the joke.
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They're in the Riff.
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They're in the Riff Zone.
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Everything is going okay, and then Tucker has to reclaim his masculinity by making sure
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that no one thinks anyone has laughed at him naked.
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That completely destroys the humor of the moment that they were having, and makes me
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way more convinced that someone's laughed at Tucker naked.
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That's great.
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That's fragile stuff right there.
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It is textbook.
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It is textbook.
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Like the level of freedom that is available to you that you're terrified of.
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You know?
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Like the ability to be like, and I have a small penis!
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Is not available to these people.
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Well, you can do that, but then you have to be like, also I'm joking.
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Exactly.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Like the freedom of not giving a shit.
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Everything is about whether or not the people around you think you're cool.
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Yeah.
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That's not good.
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And ironically, going through these behaviors in order to try and shore up your coolness
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makes you so uncool.
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The most uncool.
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I guess you're kind of playing from behind when you have Milo Yiannopoulos on in 2025.
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That's not very cool.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You're already on a losing battle.
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Yeah.
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So this whole conversation about closeted gay people in the GOP is mostly about Tucker
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wanting to bring up Lindsey Graham.
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Sure.
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Mostly, I think, as a way to be like, oh yeah, these gay people all want to bomb other countries
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and stuff.
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You can do stereotype for me.
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Yeah.
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And so, uh, Milo doesn't quite get the message.
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So he starts complaining about John McCain.
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Why you might want to bomb Iran and Venezuela.
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Yeah!
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Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
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What's gayer?
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What's gayer?
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I'm not saying it was a practicing homosexual physically, but is there anything gayer than
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John McCain's light bloodlust?
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Seen through this prism.
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I mean, he's even got the fat friend.
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It's his daughter.
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You know, like he even bred the fat best friend.
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You know, like, is there a more ostentatious fag hagging America than Meghan McCain?
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You know, she hates herself.
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She's fat.
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She's crazy.
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Do words have meaning?
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She can't dress.
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Why is that every gay man's dream?
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Because they want to visit upon their female friends the cruelty they wish that they could
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perform on their mothers.
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What?
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Whoa, whoa.
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Um, they want to make her feel fat and ugly and ridiculous because that's what their mother
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did to them and there was no dad around to protect them and their mother was just this
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overbearing terrible, you know, sort of the Jungian devouring mother.
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All of this has been banned in the United States.
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So I don't even think people are familiar with these concepts anymore.
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Right.
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Carl Jung?
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I'll try to keep it simple.
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Imagine like, um, imagine like a female like Lutheran pastor or a female Jewish rabbi and
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there is like, you know, hey, it's great to grieve.
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That's for a TV show.
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But you know, one of those, right?
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This is horrible, overbearing monstrousness that on some level the homosexual knows is
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what's made him like this.
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Because you know, dad wasn't around so mom did it.
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Right.
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This is what, by the way, this is why trans was so popular because it got parents off
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the hook.
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If you've got a gay kid, you know, you did something, but if you're born into the wrong
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body, well, that's not your fault.
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Sympathy and all your friends will, Oh, do you got a trans kid?
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I'm changing.
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You're a faggot because you're a terrible parent.
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You know, that's what's really going on.
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They want to avoid that.
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So instead, no, I'm going to chop it.
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Ding dong off.
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Keep in mind that Tucker wanted to have a non-hateful and non-hysterical conversation
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about homosexuality, which is why he called in Milo.
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I don't think it's a stretch to say that Milo is basically having a little breakdown on
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this show while Tucker does his best to pretend it's insightful.
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Milo is really just complaining about things he feels about his own life and his family,
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and he's getting pretty angry in the process.
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This is a pretty embarrassing display for both of these dudes, even more so than I expected,
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which is insane because when I clicked play, I knew it was Tucker and Milo, and yet it
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still was like way worse than I thought.
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And I felt bad for them.
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Yeah.
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I think you really need to just live inside of it now, if you want to truly understand
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what their bottom is.
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Because if you are, if you're a tourist, it's going to blow your mind every time.
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Every time you go visit the land of these people, you're going to come back being like,
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I can't believe it got worse.
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I can't believe it.
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It was two days ago that they were like, maybe we can have gay people in the Supreme Court.
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And now they're like, Burnham, what is happening?
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Somehow they made shit smell worse.
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Right?
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I don't know how.
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They've innovated.
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How is it possible?
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They're coming up with new ways to be worse.
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It's crazy.
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It is nuts.
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It is nuts.
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And I really don't think it's an understatement to say that, like, if you watch this as well,
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Milo seems like he's kind of not really in control of himself.
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He seems like he's all over the place.
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And Tucker's laughing at some stuff, but really not giving a lot of the responses that Milo
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wants.
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It's just bad.
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It's just, he should retire.
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Here's what interests me.
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Every one of these conversations between two right wing attention seekers, attention addicts,
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is two people working at cross purposes, never able to complete a joke.
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It is fascinating to me that this ecosystem sustains itself through failure.
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Well, I think maybe there's some outside investment that goes into that.
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That's a good point.
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That's a good point.
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If this had to survive on its comedy alone, I don't think it would.
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It is wild how bad everybody is at the basics of being a human being next to another human
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being.
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Yeah, that is true.
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It's crazy.
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Gay men have fat best friends because they want to hurt their moms.
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I forget.
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Yeah, that actually got past me.
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That actually got past me.
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That one was so ridiculous that it like wiped through my brain like it just so clean wash,
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just whoop, gone.
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Man, that's wild.
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It really feels like, oh, this is what you think.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It feels like you are all on an island, buddy.
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And if we're at a bar and you're on that corner and I'm on this corner and you're talking
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loudly, I'm going to laugh.
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I'm going to think it's hilarious as long as you stay all the way the fuck over there.
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Yeah.
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There's a part of this that almost feels voyeuristic of like, this is like sitting in for therapy.
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Yep.
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He shouldn't be talking about it.
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This is too much for the public, man.
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So some gay guys, they can't hurt their mothers directly.
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Sure.
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I mean, why?
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Why?
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The thing they do is they become fashion designers.
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Fine.
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Amazing.
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That's why trans was so popular with single moms.
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Because it got them off the hook.
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It means they didn't turn their son gay.
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Well, they know they did.
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They know they did.
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They know they did.
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And the sons know they did.
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And the sons grow up being cruel to women because of what mom did to them.
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So they're hostile toward their moms, even though many gay men I've known have had very
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in-close relationships.
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But it's a toxicity.
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It's a codependent relationship that they know is they can't.
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So sometimes they can't visit this cruelty on their mom because they have this close
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relationship with their mom, but they do it on other women.
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It's redirected, right?
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It's transferred onto other women because they love a mommy.
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Like, why would I do that to my mom?
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But on some level, they know that she did that.
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She did that.
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So they force women into ever more uncomfortable and ever uglier outfits and throw them down
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runways in 10-inch heels.
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Or they...
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So you think the fashion industry is acting this out?
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Of course it is.
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I mean, what other explanation could there be for the intolerable ugliness of the catwalk?
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You are blowing my mind on so many levels.
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This is mind-blowing stuff.
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You know what?
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I think, okay, I've read a lot about the American Revolution.
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Ken Burns just came out with another interminable length documentary about the American Revolution.
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And nobody has yet put forth a theory that I'm becoming more and more convinced of through
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our relations.
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The cause of the American Revolution was essentially word count.
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Y'all talk too much.
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Y'all talk too much.
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We gotta go.
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We gotta go.
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You are taking too many words to say something that takes far fewer words.
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So now we're fighting.
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That makes sense to me.
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I guess.
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I mean, you want to dance around what your fucking point is.
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Right?
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Because I guess there's some danger in actually expressing what your viewpoint is.
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That's annoying.
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Get to it.
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That's just annoying behavior.
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Yeah.
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Russell Brand, shut the fuck up.
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Say one word.
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Speaking of which, I think that Milo probably is pissed off that Russell Brand exists in
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the right wing now.
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Probably.
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I would absolutely be.
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Another really fast-talking British guy who thinks he's funny.
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That's in your space.
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Come on.
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That's in your space.
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Yeah.
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I would probably be trying to destroy him somehow if I were him.
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So look, the gay men, they hate women.
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Sure.
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Is that true?
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Because I feel like that's very much not true in my experience, but okay.
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No, Milo knows.
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Okay.
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And that's why Wicked exists.
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That lady in Wicked who plays Elphaba.
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Sure.
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And it's funny.
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I don't know much, I don't know really anything about fashion, but I love female beauty, of
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course.
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You don't see any of it on the catwalk now.
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Exactly.
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In fact, you see the opposite.
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You see the opposite.
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What are any of you talking about?
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Manufactured ugliness.
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Gay men turning women into the demons they see themselves as.
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You see gay men.
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Look at the most celebrated woman on the stage at the moment is the gorgon opposite Ariana
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Grande, whose name I forget now.
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You know, this Nosferatu, like black Nosferatu, who seems to be sucking the life force out
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of poor Ariana, who's I think going to die within the next few weeks.
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If you've seen that singer's physique lately, she sort of...
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But this appalling apparition, Cynthia something I think.
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Of course she's called Cynthia.
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You know, with these claws.
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Alright, I'm fighting the revolution.
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You look at the silhouette and you're like, that's literally Nosferatu.
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It's literally Nosferatu.
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And I know a gay man did that.
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And of course a gay man then put her on stage in Jesus Christ Superstar as our Lord.
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Did you know that?
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No.
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You've seen the person I'm talking about, right?
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I'm throwing tea.
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Well, you can google it later, but it's this spindly, just straight up goblin looking black
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woman.
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Like, and I know I'm not trying to have like a Roseanne moment, although she was right.
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But this woman is like, you know, like ugly by any racial stage.
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Just monstrous looking, right?
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Just what our mothers might have called deeply unfortunate.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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And practically circus level.
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And of course she's the heroine of the billion dollar franchise now, Wicked.
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This is just racist shit Milo's spewing about Cynthia Erivo.
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It's fine if he doesn't find her attractive, but the rest of this shit is indefensible
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racist.
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And the truth is that I get that Milo thinks he's funny.
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There's a bunch of points where he says something that he expects might get a laugh from Tucker,
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but Milo's not funny.
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Tucker doesn't need him to be there to throw out one liners and bone mow.
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Milo's there to be taken seriously as someone who was gay and because he was gay, he knows
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that gay people aren't really gay.
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Just like he was the token gay guy in 2016, now he needs to be their token formerly gay
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guy.
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That role is not quite as glamorous as the last one.
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Nope.
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First time around he got to fucking do coke.
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Now he has to be all religious.
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It's quite a demotion and I understand that sucks.
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It sucks.
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But that's not justification for this.
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Nope.
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It's funny that Milo has this problem with Erivo playing Jesus in Jesus Christ Superstar
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when he should probably hate the whole idea of that musical to begin with.
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Right?
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Also John Stamos played King Herod, but I don't hear Milo all mad about that.
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I don't even want to get into why it shouldn't matter to anybody who's doing it on faith
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reasons who plays Jesus Christ in Jesus Christ Superstar.
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If you care, you're already caring the wrong way.
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But second, we've been in the comedy game.
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That is a man who would have gotten off with any laugh.
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He would have gotten off with any laugh.
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We could have cut that down by like five minutes.
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If Tucker had given him a little bit of a laugh, he would have been done.
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He would have been like, or do you think he would have been like, ah, now that I got a
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laugh, the next one's going to be better.
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He's going to have one more hot one.
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He's going to have one more hot.
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He's one of those.
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He is.
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If he gets a laugh, he's going to, oh my God.
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Milo I think is the kind of person who is long winded and is going to run the light
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no matter what.
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Let me do one more.
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I'm just going to do one more.
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No amount of laughter that Tucker could have given him would have made this tighten up.
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That was brutal.
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Man, he's not funny.
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So Tucker is sitting there and he's like, this is fucking deep stuff.
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You're blowing my mind.
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And so these gay men who feel the will of Gorgorath inside them is like, do it, do it,
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you know, and turn these women into the demons they see inside themselves.
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To be clear, just to clarify this, Gorgorath is the name of the semen demon that he has,
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he's referenced a couple of times earlier, but I didn't include those.
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You know, the demons they see acting on them.
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This is a lot deeper than I expected.
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Is it?
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Is it deeper?
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I texted you to have this conversation.
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It's more than you would imagine from a guy wearing this t-shirt.
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No, it's not actually.
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And by the way, can I say one thing that's bothered me for years when I was a child?
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There was a lot of creativity coming from gay men in the United States.
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Like they were...
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It's all gone now.
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I know.
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And it's Dave Rubin is responsible.
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Not him personally, but I mean like...
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But do you know what I'm talking about?
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Of course, and why?
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Because a lot of free thinking, and I was related to one of them, and I spent a lot
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of time in my house, lived under my house when I was a kid, and gay, died of AIDS, you
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know, but and had a lot of problems.
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But I will say creative free thinking, like truly free thinking.
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But this is...
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Gore Vidal was like the archetype.
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This is Burkean.
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There are no Gore Vidal's in gay world that I'm aware of.
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They're all like conformists and supporting the man.
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Like what?
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The only ones these days are ex-gay.
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But do you know what I'm talking about?
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Yes, and it's Burkean.
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It's because creativity arises out of order.
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There has to be limits, and if homosexuality is not prescribed as wretched and kept at
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the fringes where it belongs, creativity dies.
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And what do you get?
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Because you don't have those people playing with the limits.
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You don't have the taboo breakers.
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You don't have the artists, the creatives, living at the limits of society.
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They're brought instead.
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I have to say...
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The gay community such as this is one of the least creative, most conformist elements
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of our society.
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I never thought I would say that.
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They become the enforcers just like...
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They're the enforcers!
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They're the Praetorian Guard for Apple and Microsoft.
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Like what the hell?
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Just like the white women of folklore who are responsible...
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But they become like turbocharged Karens.
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The cartoon version of gay people that they all believe exist is the mainstream and the
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Praetorian Guard of the status quo.
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But this conversation is just fucking stupid.
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I appreciate the ability...
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See this is again, this is the advantage to having a made up enemy.
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They can be anything you want.
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Did you know?
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Here's my problem.
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Too many gays in Hollywood.
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Too many gays in Hollywood.
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Tomorrow did you know that my problem is gonna be that gays in Hollywood aren't as creative
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as they were when there were too many of them.
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And you know what my problem tomorrow is?
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There's no gays in Hollywood!
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But now there's too many gays in Hollywood the next day!
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It doesn't matter!
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None of it means anything!
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God I hate them!
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I wanna fight them!
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I wanna...
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Ah I hate them so much.
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Listening to them use all the words.
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They used words!
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I feel like you're getting close to telekinesis.
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You were sort of spasming a little bit earlier.
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I was literally holding one hand over my eye.
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Yeah I think we're getting close.
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That one was bad.
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I mean man.
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Man!
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Well I also think that there's an interesting point to be made about art often being better
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when it's made by people who are living on the fringes.
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You know marginalized people oftentimes do create better art.
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That's not an argument to marginalize them though.
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That's stupid.
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Nor is it even close to any conversation that they are actually having.
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The quality of art of something is not what they are discussing.
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They are just saying, here's another reason that I feel like hating gay people today.
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Why not make this one up?
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And Tucker's like, there's no free thinkers in gay world that I'm aware of.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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What that I'm aware of is such a heavy qualifier.
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A load bearing qualifier right there.
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Who are you aware of Tucker?
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What are you looking for?
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You on the sub stack of a lot of left leaning individuals?
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No I am not surprised.
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So Milo has some regrets.
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I mean if I was him.
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Yeah.
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One of the biggest regrets he has is that he mainstreamed being gay.
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It was me 10 years ago mainstreaming homosexuality into the Republican Party is the great regret
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of my life.
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More so than anything I've done to my own soul.
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Which is a lot.
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It's the great regret of my life because it has given rise to horrors I never imagined.
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Let me say Lennon said all revolutionaries come to hate their children.
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While the gay horrors that I've given birth to, Lady Marga and Nick Fuentes, they keep
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me up at night.
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They keep me up at night.
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Why did you mention Dave Rubin?
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What's his role?
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Well because he is at the vanguard along with another of other gays in public life of introducing
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children into the equation.
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Tucker wanted to move along from the Nick Fuentes thing because he recently apologized
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for calling Nick gay.
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He doesn't want to reopen this whole thing.
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We can't be doing this all the time.
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Milo hates Nick.
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Listen.
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Tucker's tried to be nice with him.
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Come on.
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I'm not sure who to hate at any given point in time so I'm just going to hate each of
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you individually as you come.
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Yes, last year we worked together on yay's Nazi campaign for president.
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Yes, that's true.
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But we had differences.
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All of them are absolutely fucking insane.
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The worst.
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Yep.
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Dave Rubin is brought up and Milo's like, oh he wants to bring children into this.
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Who's David Rubin again?
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Dave Rubin's a guy who used to work for the Young Turks and then he left the left.
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Right, right, right, right.
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He's that guy.
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He's a gay classical liberal.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And he and his husband adopted children and the right wing fucking immediately was like
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fuck you.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yep.
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You should have seen that one coming.
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I hate you back.
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I'm surprised.
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I remember, and this is the thing I regret more than anything else in the world.
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There's a video of Ross Matthews in 2017 on Twitter saying, so I came home and landscapers
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have been in.
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We're getting more citrus.
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You can never have too much citrus.
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And people are asking me, Ross, what do you think about this Milo guy?
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And I'm like, Milo, Milo, how low can you go?
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I don't know who this person is, but I read it.
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And he says, I'm getting letters.
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This Milo guy, he's resigning from Breitbart or something.
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And he says, I'm getting letters from people who say, you make it okay that I have a gay
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son because if he grows up, he doesn't have to be like Ross Matthews.
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And I was like, no, they should be like Ross Matthews.
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They should be like Ross Matthews.
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They shouldn't be like Dave Rubin.
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Like you might not even know unless you watched him for a little bit because this domesticity
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of homosexuals has killed all the things that were good about gays that made them like tolerable
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and instead has given them this grotesque parody, the simulacrum of domesticity, which
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has, which has of course in their never ending hunger expanded to include babies.
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And now we have the Buttigieg couple buying black children.
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I thought you weren't allowed to buy people.
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I thought, oh no, you can't afford to.
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You can see how there's no way to win with these guys.
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Like Milo's mad at the decadence and debauchery of the gay lifestyle, but he's also mad at
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the gay people who just want to live quiet domestic lives and have a family.
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It doesn't matter what gay people do.
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They'll always be sinners to someone like Milo and Tucker.
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They're just trying to pretend to have a conversation about something that involves society and
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politics.
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But at the core of it, this is just about their fundamentalist religious beliefs.
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And I find they're beating around the bush tiresome.
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Just get to the fucking point already.
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Yeah.
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I was thinking while I was listening to that blistering nonsense, I was thinking like,
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what if we were birds, right?
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Like if you're a bird that just talks this much shit, another bird eats you.
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Like that's just how it goes.
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Like if you talk this much shit, you're going to get, your problem is going to be solved
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for itself.
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How did humans get past that?
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You know, once you get to the top of the food chain, you can talk too much shit.
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That's what it is.
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And it's not even, oh, you mean top of the food chain as humans.
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Yeah.
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I thought you were saying that Milo is at the top of the food chain.
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No, no, no, no.
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As humans.
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Like, you know, like if, if we were still worried about tigers, like on the regular,
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then I don't think anybody would talk as much shit as they do right now.
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No, we would prioritize.
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I think so.
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I think we need to go back.
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We need to let loose tigers in right wing spaces is what I'm trying to say.
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You have an interesting proposal.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Maybe control of tigers will be your superpower.
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It could be a good one.
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So Dave Rubin and his husband, they didn't even adopt or buy a baby.
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They made a Franken baby.
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They put their sperm in a thing and they mixed it up in science.
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Dave Rubin has like Franken sperm babies.
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Like he, he mixed his effluvia with that of his husband.
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I mean, this is real.
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This is physical.
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Yeah.
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Gave it a stir and hoped for the best.
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And whichever one we get, we get implanted it in some highly paid woman we'll never know
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the name of.
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Or just a regularly paid.
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And you know, he and his, he and his, his, his, uh, uh, Katamite are on, on, on the internet,
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you know, with these signs, like it's coming with these two dates.
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And I'm like, yeah, your damnation.
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That's the date you're counting down to the, the, the, the, the date you're...
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How was that conservative?
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Oh, because it's family you see, because it's, uh, it's the, the, the, the, the sleight of
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hand like that's going on is they're like, well, gays are just like everybody else.
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So we should behave like everybody else, which means we should have kids.
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And if we can't physically have kids, cause our sex is this like demonic, sterile horror
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show, then we'll buy them.
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Or it's a lot of fun.
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We've got, I mean, that's, that's how bad it is.
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That's how bad it is.
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And so you have the, I love, I don't know if it says that.
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It doesn't say anything about Republicans versus Democrats, but, but you have like Dave
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Rubin who, for whom buying a child is not good enough, it must be his own, you know,
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like, like, like the, the, the, the conceit of that.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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We've got this sort of techno conceit, Franken baby.
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And on the left, they adopt blacks.
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You know, you've got these two wispy wiry faggots who adopted two black babies.
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I mean, isn't Buttigieg just the most interesting character of our age?
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It really feels like Milo's desperate to shock someone.
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Yeah, anybody.
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He's not really getting much of a response out of Tucker because Tucker wants to take
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Milo's shit seriously.
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So there's just this weird vibe that's going on here.
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He's trying to provoke and incite in a room where that's not what's supposed to happen.
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Yeah, it's terrible.
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The image that I keep getting in my head watching this is of Milo holding a sign that says,
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we'll offend you for food and people just walking past.
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Like, it's just like, all right, man.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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So here's my question, right?
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Now that we have established that you can just spin some sperm around and then see what
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happens, how does Lucifer feel about that?
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Right?
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Lucifer now has this available to him.
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Scientific options have expanded.
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So maybe Lucifer could just like make out with a dude, spin their spit up together.
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I have no idea how science works, but you know what I'm saying?
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Like Lucifer doesn't need God's creation anymore.
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He can use man's creation to make a baby.
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Yeah, but I think we can get around this real easily.
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Yeah.
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Lucifer doesn't have sperm.
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Angels don't make jizz.
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Mm, that is true.
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Yeah, so that would be the way around that.
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Yeah.
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He could use his own seed to falsify God's creation.
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Oh, God.
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God has thought of everything.
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When you stop and think about it, he's really got you coming and going.
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Yep, literally.
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So speaking of coming.
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Yep, I'm going to be going.
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Tucker is like, hey man, that promiscuous gay sex stuff.
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It's great, right?
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Let's talk how fun it is.
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It's super fun.
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How fun is that?
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Super fun.
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So do you know the happiness level of people who are involved in promiscuous gay sex?
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Hi.
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When you live that kind of life, you're living deep in profound denial, and it comes from
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... I read something in, maybe it's the Atlantic or Mother Jones, one of all places, some left-wing
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gay guy who just wrote about this really beautifully.
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I'll try to find it in Twitter after this, but he said when homosexuals are young, they
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realize they have to put on different faces for different people.
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I guess their racial equivalent would be code switching, right?
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And the effect of this on a person who has disordered urges, unlike someone who just
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happens to be black, is that it begins to create cracks and ultimately they turn into
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shards in the personality, like bits of the personality burst, ping off like a chandelier
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that fell to the floor.
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It's so sad.
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Yeah, and it produces the space for profound denial of the type that most homosexual men
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find themselves in, where that flooding of addictive urge is mistaken for healthy and
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normal sexual attraction.
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And so I kind of stumbled when I looked into ... I just woke up one day and I was married
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to a dude, to my shame, who's now like the ex-wife from hell, my God.
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Look, if there's no other reason to not be gay, just imagine how bad a black homosexual
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ex-wife is.
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If you're a Nazi.
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I'm not even going to go there.
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You don't even want to know.
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It's like, oh, sorry, it was two sports cars a year wasn't enough.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Done even.
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But when I woke up one day and I looked over and I was like, oh no, I don't want to do
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this anymore.
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Like hell is real.
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I don't want to go there.
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And it just hit me like after ... It was growing.
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I was just like, no, no, I really don't want to go there.
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And I know.
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Chalk one more riff up for Milo that didn't land.
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Not going to go well.
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Tough crowd, this Tucker guy.
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He's not giving it.
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It's an interesting idea that Milo brings up about how gay people have to code switch
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around different people and how that can lead to fractures in a personality.
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I don't know if that's true or how common an experience it is, but I would say that
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the problem there isn't someone being gay.
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It's that they would need to code switch entire aspects of their personality, presumably because
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they know it's not safe for them to be themselves in certain company.
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I feel like the solution to that is working towards creating a world where people don't
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have to do that.
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And it kind of feels like Milo solving the wrong problem here.
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Yeah.
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I think that a lot of people mistake being safe from God and his punishment and wrath
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for the same as being safe from say the people around you who are professed Christians and
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their wrath and punishment.
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So if you are somebody who's like, oh, I'm hiding because God will be angry at me.
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Stop.
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Pull back.
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Maybe you're hiding because there's an asshole out there who's going to hit you.
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Yeah, that's true.
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There's overlap.
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Yep.
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So Milo woke up in bed with his husband and he was like, oh my God, I don't want to go
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to hell.
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I'm going to go to hell.
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Is that what he was thinking?
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I guess.
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Sure.
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Whatever.
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Yep.
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So he decided he had to set out to figure out how to not be gay.
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Of course.
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And so he decided he would embark on a path of self-harm and he discusses this as if it
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was a good idea.
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And the way that I started to address this, I kind of stumbled upon a crude version of
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what the enlightened, like they don't call it conversion therapy anymore, they call it
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reintegrative therapy because it's reintegrating those shards and those broken bits of memory
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that lead to the wrong output.
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We're talking about detail if you want to.
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But I stumbled upon kind of like a crude version of that.
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So when I was trying to stop myself from doing this stuff, I was using like hot oil on my
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thighs.
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I was doing things like self-flagellation.
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And I was trying to rewire my brain.
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No one's ever tried that before.
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Because I read a lot of psychology, anthropology books and stuff like that.
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I thought I don't know.
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Sex urge is such a basic and powerful urge.
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I thought I knew what I was doing.
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So I was like, every time I get aroused, I'm going to go and do something that hurts.
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And so I took the, you know, like pay my taxes.
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Like having sex with black people.
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No, no, no.
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I did something immediately to try to redo that.
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And there's a much better way to do it, which I can talk to you about.
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I was, I think I was recognising in that, that I had this, that something had jumped
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the tracks in my brain, right?
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And I was having an incorrect response to a particular stimulus as a result of damage,
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trauma, whatever.
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And that it was a little bit like being a PTSD victim or some other kinds of sexual
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deviance, right?
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And that I knew, I knew that I could train my way out of it because at the same time
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I had been returning to the Catholic faith of my childhood.
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And I had been speaking to a dear friend.
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She's a very brilliant professor in Chicago.
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She's a world's leading expert on Marian devotion in the Middle Ages.
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And she was kind of like feeding me this rich material about training the soul in virtue.
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And I was like, okay, well, if I can do it, I'm that, because I'm getting pretty good
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at that.
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Like, what about this?
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And so I did this stuff and I got myself as far as celibacy, which is where I'm coming
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up in January, it'll be five years of celibacy.
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This is not a success story.
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Milo didn't want to be gay anymore, so he started hurting himself whenever he felt arousal.
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And through this groundbreaking approach, he's managed to not have sex for five years.
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And yeah, that is the crude version of conversion therapy, I guess.
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It's torture.
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That is exactly how it works, yes.
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Milo is torturing himself to try to not feel arousal toward Matt.
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This all just sucks because I believe that Milo is a fucked up dude with a lot of trauma
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that he needs to sort through, and I wish him the best with it, but this is an unacceptable
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way to do it.
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If he wants to self-harm his way towards celibacy, I guess I can't stop him, but to pretend that
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there's some kind of larger wisdom here that can help anyone else?
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That's fucking insane.
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Someone in Milo's situation doesn't need to create a new layer of shame to replace whatever
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obsessive cycle he was in before.
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He doesn't need to find a new mechanism to create the illusion of being in control of
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himself, he needs to make peace with and accept the parts of his life that are beyond control.
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Maybe his attraction to men is beyond his control, maybe it's not.
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But burning yourself with hot oil whenever you think of sexy men is a really good way
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to never know for sure.
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You're just gonna end up with some scars and a slightly different preoccupation involving
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sexy men, like maybe a brilliant theory about how no one is actually gay.
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Huh.
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Yeah, this is fucking stupid and incredibly dangerous.
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Yeah.
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I think the only saving grace is that almost no one would listen to Milo.
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Yeah.
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Like I don't think anyone would take his advice, so that is kind of comforting.
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Yeah, I think one of the big things that should shut down a conversation is did society
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try this in the past en masse and did it work?
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That's a good question, right?
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Okay.
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You wanna outlaw gay people existing, has society in the past tried that?
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Bunch of times.
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How did it go?
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We're still here with gay people.
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So it didn't work back then, probably not gonna work into the future.
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Yeah.
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All right?
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Has self-flagellation been tried in the past?
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Better believe it.
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Better believe it.
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Did it work?
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We're here in 2025 where there's still gay people.
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And I think I'd like to refine your point even more.
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Yeah.
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I would say that if your idea is something that might have been popular in a year that
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was three digits, then yeah, maybe...
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We didn't nail too many of them in the three digit years.
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We aren't like, oh man, thank God for 742.
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That shit rocked.
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Nope.
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Until he figured it out.
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Not one time.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So Milo is... he believes that he's leaving the gay world.
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He has tortured himself out of being attracted to men.
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Which is how it works.
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And he's gotten the success of not having sex with anyone for five years.
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And the gay people just don't want him to leave.
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They can't accept it.
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They won't let him.
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So you spent like an hour and 20 minutes describing the hell that you lived.
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You thought it was hellish.
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You left.
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And it sounds like you feel better and certainly resolved.
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But you're not encouraged to feel that way.
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Like there's something about the life that you live that's treated like a gang initiation
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or something like you can check in but you can never leave.
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Like you're not welcome to leave.
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Well just look at the comments you get like... forgive the language but under every post
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that I will make online or every... you know on the rare occasion I might say something
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about this in an interview.
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One phrase keeps popping up over and over again in the comments.
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You can't unsuck a dick.
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Meaning there's no salvation for you.
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Once you're gay you're gay.
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You're gay.
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You're homosexual.
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But that's it.
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Who's pushing that?
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The pain that that leaves right?
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Which is profoundly unchristian.
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I mean if you think about Isaiah right?
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You know your sins may be scarlet but they'll be washed white as snow.
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That Saul became Paul.
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Right doesn't exist for these people.
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Wow.
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And it's often leftists but not always.
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You fucking pricks.
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There are no leftists who think Milo can't be forgiven for sucking a dick.
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They might be trolling him but the people who think he can't unsuck a dick are the people
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he's pandering to right now.
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They're your buddies.
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Which makes this self-serious tone a little bit more pathetic.
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No one cares if Milo's gay or not.
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It doesn't matter.
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But he's unfortunately in a position where he's gonna be made fun of no matter what he
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does which is kind of his own fault.
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We would have never known who Milo was if he didn't use his sexuality as a brand.
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Like with the name of his book and his tour.
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Because that allowed him to be used by the extreme right as a token gay guy that made
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them look slightly less bigoted.
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He accepted the terms of the deal and he was paid handsomely to be that guy until he went
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a little bit outside of what the right wing can handle and he got cut off by his donors.
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Whether or not his newfound heterosexuality is sincere, it's impossible for him to ask
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anyone to take him seriously given the career he's had up till this point.
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His entire thing relied on him provoking a reaction from people and he often used his
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sexuality to incite that reaction so it's easy to see how someone could think that that's
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just what he's doing again.
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And even if people don't think that, why the fuck should they care about what Milo is
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doing a good ten years after his sell-by date?
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What is it that matters here?
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No one cares.
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He's going to be mocked from now on.
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And probably more meanly by the people he wishes liked him.
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Milo's pretending that the gays won't let him leave and they just want to keep him marked
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with their sin forever but really it's just people making fun of him because he's an asshole
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who was an asshole to them for years.
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So I say this with no love or respect but sack up young man.
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You made a career of saying way worse stuff to people than you can't unsuck a dick so
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it sounds a little weak to hear you whining about it now with Tucker.
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You're the king troll.
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Shut the fuck up.
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I mean, come on man.
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That is...
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Weak.
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Weak.
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What I notice about these two is that they go back and forth on are we talking about
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sex or are we talking about societal behaviors?
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So when you say like, oh, we're not against gay people, but they're fucking grosses me
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out.
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Like, okay, that's that.
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But then whenever there's anything to go like, oh, well then they have kids like the regular
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family that you like.
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Well, no, no, no, no.
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It's not about that.
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It's about the behavior.
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It's about the politics.
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It's about all this stuff.
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Okay, well then why should it matter who's gay?
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Well, it's also about the sex.
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But it's only about one whenever that's the one where they feel strong.
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And it's not that whenever they feel weak.
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Well yeah, and it's the what I was talking about earlier.
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There's no way you can win.
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Like what they just think this is a sin and want no one to be gay.
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And they just don't have the like, I guess Milo's kind of close to like owning that position.
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But this conversation isn't like bluntly about that.
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And Tucker is way too afraid to just make it clear that that's what he wants.
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That he thinks that gay people are an aberration and shouldn't be around.
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Like they're just unwilling to get real with it.
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And it's, that's why you have to play the game that you're describing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I find it kind of interesting that that's not how we operate, right?
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Like if somebody does something like this, then you can get a transcript and you can
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take their words and you can literally parse them.
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You can literally go like, if these words have meaning, then here is what he means.
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And if at the end of it, what he means is gay people are evil cause God, then we don't
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need to have that many words.
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No.
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And you don't need to bring in the political stuff.
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And you don't need like, that's all just window dressing.
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It's not evil cause God.
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Yeah.
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We don't need this Milo talking for eight minutes to say nothing bullshit.
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Well he stammers really well.
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I disagree on even that point.
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Oh, it's charming.
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I disagree.
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So people are scared.
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The gays are scared.
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Sure.
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Milo can leave.
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Maybe everyone can.
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That is not how, Nope.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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People are terrified by the idea that this might not be an intrinsic part of a person's
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personality or nature.
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Why, why are they afraid of that?
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I thought we were for personal choice.
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Well, we're all a bit afraid of that, aren't we?
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Because we're all kind of like, you know, we see other people who are, are, um, doing
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well in life or who have got themselves out of a sticky situation or, you know, who left
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their phone on the table when they went to the bathroom in the break, um, or whatever.
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And who, um, and who lash out against others who do seem to be achieving something redemptive.
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And isn't it true that one of those characterisations of the demons is that they're, you know, in
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the presence of the light and the presence of good love, the word of God, they hiss and
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spit, right?
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And it's not necessarily these people are gay themselves, but they, they took to confront
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the horror that a gay person might be able to ungay means that whatever, whatever you've
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got going in your life, you could fix easy, but you don't want, you don't want to get
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better.
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You don't want, that's your pitch.
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Because if he can stop having sex with men, knowing what a powerful compulsion, urge that
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is for most men, you know, that might mean I have to stop drinking.
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That might mean I have to stop taking drugs.
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That might mean I have to stop being a fat ass.
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That might mean I have to stop being cruel, being vindictive, abusive, malicious.
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And I think that part of it is certainly that we have become a society that encourages vice
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over virtue that aggressively pushes sin.
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Yes.
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This is the kind of stuff that Milo should probably keep in his journal because it sounds
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like more affirmations than a serious point.
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Yeah.
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It kind of feels like a rough draft of a motivational speech he hopes to give one day.
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Right.
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And it just feels really dumb.
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Yeah.
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It's the Jordan Valfort version of speaking about Christianity where you're like, oh,
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no, no, no, it's totally cool.
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I'm a Christian now.
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I will steal from you.
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I sincerely don't care if Milo's gay or not, but as an external observer, he seems miserable.
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His wit is dull, his laugh and joie de vivre are unconvincing, he's still trying to rely
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on gay affectations to be funny, and this is the result of five years of self-torture.
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It's not like he tortured himself for a while and then he was straight.
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This is a half decade worth of work and he seems no better off than when he started.
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He's not having relationships with women, he just quit sex cold turkey, and at a couple
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times in the interview he kind of intimates that he still has sexual feelings towards
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men.
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Obviously.
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This dude is free to be whoever he wants to be, but whatever this is doesn't work.
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That doesn't mean he has to be gay or anything, but this is no good.
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He seems like he should quit.
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Yeah, this is bad.
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So we enter a period of the show where Milo is complaining about various things in society
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that are too gay.
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So he tees off first on food.
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Food's too gay.
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Food's too gay?
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Is food gay now?
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You're eating like a gay.
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What are gay habits for men acquiring?
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Definitely food, which, I mean like, if you're a chap, I was in a hotel last night, as I
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was thinking about this show, and I looked at the menu and I was like, there's nothing
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on here for men.
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It was all these like seafood, hand, whatever, and the guy that was serving me had a huge
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ginger beard, God bless him, and I said, you don't eat here.
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And he said, well, and I said, you don't eat here.
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Where do you eat?
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And he said, oh fine.
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And I said, is there anything on here that you would eat aside from this, and it didn't
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say how big the filet was, but I was like, what is it, six ounces?
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What do you need, four of those?
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And he was like, yeah.
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I was like, you work here, and it was like, you wouldn't eat anything because there's
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nothing for men on the menu, because it's all this like airy-fairy unsatisfying, calorie-rich,
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full of like, you know, flavor, but no protein, food for girls.
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All food for girls.
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Look at the menu in your favorite restaurant.
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Look at the menu in every restaurant.
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There's no food for men on it.
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I mean, like, where is it?
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Why are you eating all this woman food?
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I would like to now propose that Milo and Adam Carolla restart the man show.
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Yeah, right.
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Because this is the level of humor.
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What are we doing?
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Yes.
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What are we doing?
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Is this Tim Allen's early career?
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What is happening?
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I need a steak.
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Oh, man.
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Because I'm a man.
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I am a man, so I, what are we doing?
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Come on, man.
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Come up with new material.
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But it's not just food.
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You know what else is gay?
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Sure.
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Women.
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Yeah.
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I'm faggotized by the promise.
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So tired of you.
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Words don't have meaning.
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To sort of have a nudge in a wink kind of relationship with like, oh, I don't do it.
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But who's this?
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Oh, just Jamal.
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You know, who's this?
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That's not the guy that you were with like three days ago.
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Quiet girl.
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Sorry about her.
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You know, like just all that kind of stuff.
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And men, just the way in which the self-destructive, self-sacrifice, the relinquishment of the
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will to the most addictive version of everything is very gay.
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So here's a good point where Milo's showing a few too many cards.
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He's equating something being gay with something being the most addictive version of something
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that's available.
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Promiscuous sex is more addicting than monogamous relationships, so promiscuous sex is gay.
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Eating unhealthy food and empty calories is more addictive than a sturdy diet, so eating
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unhealthy is gay.
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He's just made gay a proxy for the things he wants to do but feels like he shouldn't,
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and none of this really has any meaning outside of his head.
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This is possibly one of the most embarrassing interviews I've watched in the time that I've
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been doing this show, and we're a thousand and one hundred episodes into this.
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This is very bleak.
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I would not want to, if I had given this interview and said those things, I would very much want
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a phone call afterwards and I would be like, can we edit down to-
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Yeah, bury this thing.
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How about I say, hello, thanks for having me, and then we're done.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, I mean it would be, I think maybe Milo paid for the air time, so like-
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I mean, man.
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Maybe he didn't have a choice.
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Talk about fumbling at the goal line.
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Jesus.
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So food is gay, women are gay.
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It's so exhausting when people aren't funny who really think they're funny.
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So clothes now are gay.
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Right.
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Sure.
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Diversion of everything.
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So if gay sex is like addiction where it just floods your mind with the chemicals where
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you can't- So it's better than other types of-
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Well, the food has become like that, and the clothes have become like that.
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Men buying designer clothes has always been a bit sus to me.
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Oh, I totally agree.
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I do it because I've got about another three years where I can still get away with this,
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and then I'm going to have to just be straight.
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Well, I can still do it.
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And then I'm going to have to find some- I'm going to have to find my own nudge and a wink
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thing.
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Oh, no, they're not Dolce and Giammaro, they're Arallano.
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It's the late Pope Benedict XVI's favorite shoemaker from- You're faggotized.
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Stop it.
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I'm going to have to give all this up.
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But somebody who's been heterosexual all their life, like, what are you doing in Dior?
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Well, I mean, they only make shoes, I think.
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No, no, there's male Dior now.
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What are you doing- It's Chanel that doesn't do men's clothes.
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What are you doing in Dolce & Gabbana?
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What are you doing in Versace?
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Why are you spending $1,000 on a pair of shoes that is not like a tactical or a- And even
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that stuff.
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Oh my God.
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Like the faggotization of the- Now you can go to Crypt Tech and you can get the-
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Versace of camo.
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Their salespeople will even call it that, not on the website because men don't like
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that.
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But there's now like designer camo.
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I mean, I have it, but- Shut up!
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Shut up!
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Shut up!
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Faggotized.
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This is a portrait of a man at war with himself.
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It's so clear how much he likes the designer brands of clothes and how important those
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are as status symbols for him.
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But this new mythology that he's taken on requires him to give this stuff up if he wants
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to be heterosexual.
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Oh my God.
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More than any other interview I've seen Tucker do, this feels like a guy who's just spinning
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out.
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He feels like someone who should be on a sabbatical.
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This just doesn't, like he shouldn't be in public.
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Well, I mean, he opens with something that amounts to saying, gay sex is the best sex.
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It's the best.
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It is the best.
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I love gay sex so much.
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It builds your brain with endorphins.
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Oh my God, it's so great that I don't even think about anything else.
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I'm sorry?
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I love the Lord.
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Jesus Christ.
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So music?
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Gay.
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I mean- Turns out music's gay.
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Fine.
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But yeah, music's always been gay.
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We've been making these decisions, women, and we have this, women in the marketing departments,
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women in the advertising, women on social media, everything's going gay, and it's justified.
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And just the same way the Pink Pound is self-reinforcing, this thing we always say, oh, women make most
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of the purchasing decisions in most houses.
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Shut up.
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Like, it doesn't mean every man has to go out looking like he wants to drop on his knees
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in a public park or in a toilet just because his wife chooses what washing powder they
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use.
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Like, stop it.
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Wait, what?
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Everything has gone gay.
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Everything's gone gay.
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I mean, just- Think about gay sex all the time.
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Now we force heterosexuals to listen to Lil Nas X.
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Who is super sexy.
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You know, endless turnover of preening homosexual crooners.
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Who I want to fuck.
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There aren't any anymore because pop stars require a kind of heroic, manly virtue, I
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think, that is just gone now.
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It's just not there anymore.
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So if you wanted to weaken a society to the point of collapse-
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Faggotize it.
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This is a lot.
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Wow.
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Yeah, I mean, I think- And we close with Get Her Done.
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I think that we, you know, Tucker at the beginning of this was saying we should go back to 1985.
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And Milo saying that we don't have pop stars anymore or any of this because they're all,
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everything's too gay.
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I mean, I guess we're going to Buddy Holly.
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Is that where we're at now?
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Is that the level of repression and manly singers that we're dealing with here?
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Yeah.
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That'll be the day.
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You know what?
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We're going to go back to when men were men and singers were men like Liberace.
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Give me that good man shit.
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He dressed so great.
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And I don't think that Lil Nas X is being forced on anyone.
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I think some people enjoy him.
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Is that still, is that a current reference?
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I mean, I think he's had some other songs.
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Okay.
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You know, that- I'm fine with that.
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Yeah.
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I'm just saying you can, yeah, there's plenty of gay people in every aspect of life.
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Yeah.
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You can enjoy pop culture or not too.
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You can just, you can like what you like.
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There is no way you have to behave either if you're gay.
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You can just do whatever the fuck you want.
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But unfortunately society as a whole is gay.
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Society is not becoming feminized.
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Then fuck a guy!
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It's become, it's, it's, it has been gayed, you know?
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And it's, and it's like the difference between effeminacy and femininity, right?
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You look carefully at the behaviors.
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It's like it might have started off feminized.
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Like you said, oh the HR departments have kind of like feminized language in the corporate
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sphere and blah blah.
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It might have started that way, but the gays took over very soon afterwards.
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And so now we don't have a feminized public square.
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We have a faggotized public square.
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And it's hardly surprising given that everybody in Congress and everybody in the Senate and
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everybody in the party and everybody on TV and everybody else that you've ever heard
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of on television and everybody on all the TV shows are gay.
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Like, it's not a shocker that this would be the result.
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Because even if they might be living DL lives, they still like what they like.
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I think that Milo's point is a little unclear here because he's kind of saying that literally
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everyone in the world is gay, but at the beginning of this he was arguing that no one was gay.
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Right.
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So I don't know what the deal is.
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Well, if no one is gay, then everyone is gay.
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Those are both true statements, if one then the other.
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That is true, I suppose.
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Cool.
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I mean, again, at the end of the day, this guy is just saying like...
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I think he's just spinning out.
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I want to have sex with a guy.
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Yeah, you can read that into this if you want.
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I'm not going to join you in that, but I just think that he has a lot of feelings.
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Yeah, man.
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He's dealing with some stuff in really bad ways.
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And they're all totally normal feelings that can totally be dealt with by everybody all
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the time.
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Everybody's dealing with shit very similar to this.
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Nobody is also going on Tucker and being like, I hate gay people and I never fuck anybody
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and I pour hot oil on my legs.
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Nobody's doing that.
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I'm not making excuses for him on the guise of like, hey, he's going through some stuff.
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That's just like critical analysis of what's going on here.
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That's my problem.
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My problem with it is Tucker's response to all of this should be like, buddy, you're
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actually fine.
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I'm trying to use you for something.
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Totally fine.
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Can you calm down?
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Everyone around you has made you crazy, but you're like a normal guy.
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I swear to God, you're just so bad at it.
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So Tucker wants to ask about like, hey, since you stopped being gay, how has that changed
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your life?
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Not good.
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Well, Milo has an interesting answer.
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Okay.
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So how has your life changed day to day now that you're celibate and getting away from
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trying to overcome your gay sexual impulses?
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I don't really have them anymore.
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Not often.
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My life is so I've learned.
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Well, the first thing to say is that dogs have stopped barking at me.
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What?
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I mean, I used to set dogs off, like really set dogs off.
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Like they would go crazy around me.
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And when I stopped.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a devil, you know.
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Boo.
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I can only tell this joke because it's my spiritual director that said it.
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I said, do you think it's because they can sense evil?
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He said, no, it's because you don't smell like blacks anymore.
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Let the record reflect.
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I'm not laughing.
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He was laughing.
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Of course he was fucking laughing.
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Yeah, man.
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You got a racist spiritualist.
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That's fun.
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I mean, cool.
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Yeah.
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That's a gut punch.
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That's a good gut punch.
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That's interesting that like, you know, Tucker wants some kind of answer that's meaningful
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and instead dogs don't bark at me anymore.
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Oh, here's a racist joke.
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Yeah.
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What?
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Nothing is different.
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Nothing's different.
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Nothing is different.
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Well, no.
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I'm just hurting myself because people will give me money.
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Dogs don't bark at him anymore.
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That's not true.
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And then, well, maybe you don't believe that.
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But what about this?
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The biggest thing that changed me though, which is not like a big, the biggest thing
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to me, because I live quite an internal life, you know, like most of my life is up here,
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right?
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The biggest thing that happened to me is I started caring what happened in stories.
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Like spoilers started to bother me and I couldn't figure out what that was about.
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Like 10 years ago when the Star Wars movie came out just before Christmas, when no one
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had had the chance to see it, I tweeted Han Solo dies.
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You know, like a thousand people unfollowed me.
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How could you?
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You know, the worst person.
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I was like, what are you talking about?
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It's like a stupid space movie.
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Like get a grip.
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But I started to care maybe because I started to care what happens to me.
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So this isn't the kind of answer that Tucker wanted.
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He's asking him how his life is different now that he's not gay.
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And Milo throws out a racist joke about dogs not barking at him.
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Then this overly dramatic shit about how he doesn't like movie spoilers anymore.
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This is, this is I think somebody who thinks that this interview is supposed to be like,
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let's figure out what my, what makes Milo tick.
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As opposed to Tucker wants him there to attack gay people.
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We're hating gay people.
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That's what you're here for.
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You are here to give your testimony.
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This is the part where you give your testimony.
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Yeah.
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Like this is the most obvious, like we're in youth group question there's ever been.
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How has God changed your life?
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Is the question, is the where you say how fucking great your life is now that God is
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there.
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You don't go like, um, I'm still, I'm still really depressed.
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I'm weird.
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Because of all the other things that are going on in my life.
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I'm very, very angry.
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And this conversation has not made me feel better.
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So up to and including this moment, everything has sucked since I stopped being openly and
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voraciously gay.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So I'm going to skip the next couple of clips.
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Because actually, no, I am going to play one of these clips.
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Most of this is just about like, uh, uh, Milo and Tucker talking about, could you believe
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that conversion therapy is banned and talking about how effective it is and how they want
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everyone to be forced to stay gay.
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Oh boy.
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Um, but I will play this one clip cause it's, um, Milo talking about, uh, the guy who is
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his, his conversion therapy guy.
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Yeah.
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The researcher that he supports.
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Okay.
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So how, how do people change and what is the process?
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Well, um, the father of this stuff, the most, I mean, there are some quacks.
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Oh, I bet.
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I'm not gonna lie about it, but the father of the stuff that most respectable stuff with
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the highest success rate, um, uh, the guy's name was, uh, Joseph Nicolosi and, uh, I can't
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find most of his books on Amazon.
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Oh, um, but actually, yeah.
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Why?
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Well, cause they're suppressed.
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Um, so that just tells you that right there, if they're banning books.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, I don't, fuck you.
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I'm not such a, I'm not such an anti book band guy.
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I'm a little bit more of a free speech fund.
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Fuck both of you.
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What were the Nazis burning?
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What were they burning?
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Ask them.
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I know I'm, I'm very aware of that.
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I guess what I'm just saying, I'm not a free speech fund.
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I am.
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I am a free speech fund.
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I have evolved into more of an authoritarian over the last 10 years.
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Well, I'm not even having that debate.
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I'm just saying that, you know, what's important to people.
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You know what they're lying about by what they try and hide.
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You're not having the free speech debate with a guy who just said that he's an authoritarian.
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Shouldn't you be super against that Tucker?
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What the fuck are you doing?
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So there's a couple of moments here that are very telling for Tucker.
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It seems like he gets that the Nazi book burnings weren't so bad because they were burning gay
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books.
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Right.
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And he has a belief that you can tell what's important to someone by what they try to hide.
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Right.
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These are the two things that sort of jump out at you.
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So in that spirit, I'd like to remind you where we started in this episode with Tucker
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hiding the majority of the Ugandan anti-gay act from his audience in order to pretend
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that it was about outlawing rape.
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You can tell that something's important to someone by what they hide, and Tucker hid
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the reality of what that Ugandan law was about.
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I believe that the only reason that Tucker did that was so that he could pretend that
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his content isn't what it actually is.
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A disgusting, over-the-top hate broadcast.
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If he spent the first half hour of this show full-throatedly defending a law that put consenting
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gay adults in jail for life, there really wouldn't be a mystery about how you're supposed
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to hear all this bullshit that he's doing with Milo.
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The only way that he can stay in any way defensible is if he pretends a little bit here and there,
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and the only way to do that is to lie, and to hide things strategically.
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And he understands.
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He knows the strategies.
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Yep.
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Man.
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That...
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Ah, man.
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Well, you should be...
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What were they burning?
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I know, I'm very well aware of that.
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So then get rid of all the shit you just...
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I'm a free speech absolut- well, I mean, it's okay to burn books.
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Fuck you!
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I was just about to say it's not okay to burn books, and then he was like, well, the Nazis
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burned gay books, and he was like, well, yeah, obviously you burn gay books.
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What, are you crazy?
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I mean, these folks like Tucker will go on and on about how moderate Democrats are authoritarians.
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Jesus Christ.
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And he has Milo sitting there telling him, I am an authoritarian.
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And he won't even engage with it.
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Won't even...
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Like, it's bullshit.
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None of what we say has meaning.
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All we're doing is making noises at each other, and at the end of it, I hope you buy
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something and hate gay people.
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Yep.
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So, we're gonna wrap this up here, but as it comes to the close, there is a point that
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Milo wants to make about his regrets in life.
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And I think that there is a feeling that I think a lot of people have always had about
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Milo, and that is that he was anti-gay all along.
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Even when he was a flamboyant gay man, he was perpetuating politics and ideas that were
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detrimental to gay people.
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It was very clear.
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His positions were disadvantageous to anyone in the LGBTQ community.
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And I think it's really interesting to hear him discuss his regrets, because I think his
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actual regret is that people didn't get that he was trying to stop people from being gay.
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When you look back on the life that you led 10 years ago, how do you feel?
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I feel ashamed.
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I feel embarrassed and disgusted by the things I did, but I feel ashamed, particularly about
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10 years ago, about how many people...
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I thought I was laying it on thick with this sort of Damon and Everidge kind of high-sense
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bouquet performance on stage, and I realized people weren't picking up the layers, maybe.
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And every talk I ever gave in the Q&A, I said, if I could not be gay, I would push that button.
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And nobody ever...
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That never registered with people.
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All that they...
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Why?
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I don't know.
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All they got was, being gay is okay now, being gay and right wing is okay now.
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And I know that I pushed that button with the left to annoy them, because it was absurd
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at that time, but people never got the message.
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I know that I said that being gay and right wing is okay because it made the people on
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the left angry, but my message was really that being gay and right wing isn't okay.
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I wanted them to kill me.
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I wanted this to be a situation where everyone like me was destroyed.
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And no one got it.
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No one got the irony of the over-the-top character that I was doing.
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I mean...
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Okay.
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If that's your pitch, I would say rewrite it, come back with something better.
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No, I don't know if this is really how he viewed anything.
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I think it is accurate.
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In terms of...
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He's assessing his career in a way that is fairly accurate.
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He was somebody who was aggressively anti-gay, even as a gay person.
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He was a cartoon character of a flamboyant gay person.
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He called his tour the Dangerous F. It's ridiculous.
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And it could be seen as a way of like, don't accept people like me.
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I am trying to make myself so noxious and so offensive to people's sensibilities, I
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married a black guy.
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Don't accept this.
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I don't know if I would believe that that was intentionally how he was running his career,
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but descriptively, if that's how he wants to salvage things, I think that's as good
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an angle as any.
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Yeah, I mean...
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Yeah.
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If his point is essentially, this is what I have to do now, right?
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I have to say all of these things now in order to salvage what I've got.
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It's not saying like, I wish I hadn't done anything I did, other than the thing that
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made me get here now, which was go a little too overboard by saying that a 13 year old
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should fuck a priest or whatever.
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And that sex abuse victims are wine and brains.
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Right, right, right.
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I went too far there.
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I would still otherwise be totally happy.
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I would have refined the act a little bit.
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Absolutely.
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That would have amped up the irony.
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Isn't that what we're really talking about?
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We're really talking about a guy who's like, man, if I had pulled it back a hair, I would
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be having the best life.
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If my show hadn't been canceled, season five would have been great.
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Yep.
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Cool, man.
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Yep, absolutely.
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But now, since he has been canceled, he is in a position where he feels like it's his
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responsibility to explain to everyone that he was trying to get you to hate gay people
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all along.
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And I think now I have a duty.
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Now I have a responsibility to others because of... because the message didn't land.
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Like I was not intending to give birth to this huge generation of gay Republicans who
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now just, I think it's openly fine to traffic in babies and to be a gay Republican.
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And I feel a great deal of responsibility for that.
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I hate myself for that a little bit.
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Join the club.
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Milo Yiannopoulos, thank you for everything you said.
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For your honesty, I appreciate it.
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Thanks.
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What a sign off.
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Honesty?
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Fuck me.
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What a sign off.
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I hate myself for that.
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Right?
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Milo, thanks for your honesty.
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Milo, let's get the fuck out of here.
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That's a good way to end if you hate gay people.
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That's a great way to... that's your testimony.
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Your testimony is, I hate myself for being gay.
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That's what Tucker wants.
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And I was always trying to get people to hate gay people and, you know, hey, we're just
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getting to the real stuff now.
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I just, I find this, you know, it's an unfortunate mixture of like really toxic shit.
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And then it's also just intolerable to listen to.
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I think that it's boring.
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The ideas aren't interesting.
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The person is clearly wrestling with a lot of shit that they haven't figured out yet.
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And he's a bore.
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Like he just rambles on these long, he thinks they're witty rambles and they're just not,
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they're just, oh God, it's just the worst.
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It's brutal.
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I feel like, I feel like you might've gotten some superpowers.
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I grew a sixth toe on my left foot.
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We can't prove that because you got your shoe on.
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I know it's, I can feel it though.
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I'm going to have trouble balancing on my way out of here.
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I'm going to have to relearn how to walk.
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Well every superpower is a blessing.
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So you'll find your way to use it.
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I assume I'll be able to hang from a tree with just my left leg.
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Ooh, you'll turn into a gibbon.
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That's my goal now is I'm going to do some hanging from a tree and then I could do some
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sit ups, you know, but without having to have one of those things that hangs on your door.
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Sure.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I'm happy for you.
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Yeah, I think that's the way to go.
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Milo's enduring legacy is you have feet hands.
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I have a foot left hand.
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So I said at the beginning of this episode, I didn't want to do this and I stand by that.
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I don't want to do this.
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I don't want to have done this.
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And I think it sucks.
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And it really is notable only in as much as like, this is what Tucker's putting out.
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Like this is not mild.
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This is what you should have heard about from your crazy friend who's plugged into all the
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weird stuff.
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This shouldn't be something where you're like, oh yeah, millions upon millions upon millions
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of people listen to this.
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Yeah, possibly one of the biggest talk show hosts in the world and the hero of the right
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wing guy who's friends with the president is doing this kind of a fucking show.
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It's so explicit and overtly homophobic.
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It's disgusting.
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It traffics in lies and misinformation.
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And it's boring.
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It's not funny.
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It's not even funny.
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It's not even fun.
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It's not even at the very least.
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This is the problem.
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If you're going to run the world with hatred and shit, you should at least have fun while
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doing it.
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Well, it's like 2016 Milo.
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He was having fun.
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Yeah.
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2016 Alex was having fun.
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Ah, you know, that is the weird thing about monkey's paw wishes.
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You don't get exactly what you wish for and it turns out you really should have wished
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for something else.
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Yeah.
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Now who's having fun?
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Trump?
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No one.
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No.
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Roger.
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Is Trump even having fun?
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Probably.
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I mean, I guess Roger's not even really having fun.
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He doesn't get to go on and be a talker is clearly having fun.
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Yeah.
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He is the one who's having fun.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Oh well.
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So we'll be back for another episode to see some other awful shit, but until then we have
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a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo yeah, woo yeah, woo.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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