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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
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Dan and George.
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Andy and Chansless.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Chan- Andy and Chansless.
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Andy and Andy.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Chansless, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your voice.
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Hey everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's a bright spot today buddy?
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Why don't you go first?
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My bright spot is, it's a twilight spot.
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A little bright, a little dark.
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The celebrity traitors just wrapped up.
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Okay, yeah I've not had a chance to check that out yet.
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It is the-
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But it's British celebrities right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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British celebrities.
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Celebrity with an asterisk.
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Listen, there's a couple celebrities on the British celebrity traitors if you will.
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Stephen Fry.
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Sure.
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So there's a couple.
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Okay.
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Sounds like one.
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It's the worst season of the traitors I've ever seen.
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Oh no.
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It's the worst and because all of these people, all of the faithful were the dumbest there's
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ever been.
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Have you ever seen a season where the very first three traitors made it all the way to
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the final?
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No.
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No.
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No, no, no.
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Of course not, right?
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Especially because usually they'll at least turn on each other.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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No, none of that.
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It was-
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Wow.
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The season was only nine episodes long and I was like, that's crazy short.
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The greatest season of the traitors, Traitors Ireland happened just a little bit ago, 12
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episodes.
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Okay.
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Because you've got three in a row they caught the traitors.
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Then you got the recruitments, you got the whole thing.
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These people were so bad at this game, they didn't even make it to 10 episodes.
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That's rough.
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That is rough.
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You ran the table, those traitors.
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Absolutely.
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And then at the end, you're like, oh, they've got it.
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They finally figured it out.
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There's these last few people.
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There's no way they can miss it.
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It's been obvious the whole fucking game shoots themselves in the foot instantaneously and
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the traitors, well, they did what you knew they were going to do from the start.
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Which is turn on each other and bring it down to two to split the money?
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No.
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Win.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, it was brutal.
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Well, you just spoiled the season of traitors, but-
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You knew it was going to happen.
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You knew it was going to happen.
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Well, I look forward to watching that eventually then.
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Yeah, it'll be brutal.
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How about you?
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot, I guess, is the video game that just came out, the Hyrule Warriors.
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Oh, yeah.
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The Hyrule Warriors out.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's a lot of fun.
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Those games are deeply my shit.
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I don't know why.
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Little campaigns, running around, fighting through big groups of enemies.
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Absolutely.
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Zelda characters.
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Yeah.
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It's fun.
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Yeah.
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I was a little disappointed because I started the game and for the first hour or so, I was
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like, oh my God, Link isn't in this game.
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It's just Zelda.
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Zelda has traveled back in time to the era of the beginning of the kingdom of Hyrule.
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Okay.
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And you're like, oh shit, Link?
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Why would Link be here?
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And then a Link stand-in shows up.
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Yeah, well, that was probably-
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But I was like, ah, there's no Link.
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It's a Zelda game without Link.
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That would be interesting.
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But yeah, he shows up.
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Yeah.
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Well.
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Is he wearing the hat?
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No, he has a hood.
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Okay.
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I think that there's a, I don't know how this game ends and I also don't know if it's canon,
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but if it is canon and it ends the way I think it's going to end, there's an argument to
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be made that Link has been a robot this entire time and he is an eternal thing that has existed
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in order to protect the princess of Hyrule.
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All right.
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That would be an interesting lore.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the eternal Link.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it would make sense.
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So I'm enjoying the game and we'll see if I continue to.
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Excellent.
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But today is something that is not to be enjoyed.
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It's an episode of our podcast.
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All right.
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And we'll talk about what that is here in a second.
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But first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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So first, DJ Lobster Man, look out for the breaking machine.
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I will.
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Any moment now.
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So Jordan, I mentioned a while back that Tucker was putting out a five-part series explaining
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what really happened on 9-11, which I likened to him trying to wear Alex's skin and steal
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his spirit.
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It may seem kind of trivial now, and there's a low social cost to being a conspiracy theorist,
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but in the early 2000s, people hated 9-11 conspiracy theorists.
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The US had suffered a giant terrorist attack, a city was grieving, and the armed forces
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of the country were being called up to fight in multiple foreign wars, presumably in response
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to that attack.
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The country wasn't fully united, but you could say that there were two main sides, and neither
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really liked conspiracy theories around 9-11 that much.
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There was the America right or wrong crowd, who saw Bush as a wartime president who had
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responded to the attack, and it was every American's duty to go along and support him
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in getting this mission done.
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That was his high approval rating, period.
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For them, it was unpatriotic to question the leadership, and they demanded that we all
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support the troops.
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On the other side, you had the anti-war crowd, who were generally college kids and old hippies,
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mostly from the left and libertarian circles, and for the most part, they weren't that into
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9-11 conspiracies either.
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They had a solid argument against the wars, and their conviction that Bush lied to make
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those wars happen didn't rely on really dubious arguments that these conspiracy theorists
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make about the attack itself.
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Incorporating flimsy accusations about Bush doing 9-11 into their arguments weakened them,
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so for the most part, they stayed away from this kind of game.
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You'll often hear Alex complain that when he criticized Bush, the right wing accused
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him of being a commie, and the whole 9-11 period has a lot to do with that.
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Prior to this point, he'd had very little national significance, but he'd made a career
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that was almost fully catering to a right wing audience.
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He was a John Birch Society acolyte who worked on Pat Buchanan's campaigns for president,
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and pretty much all of his positions would be categorized as strongly conservative.
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I do hate to be too praising of Alex, but in his coverage of 9-11, what he did was a
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bold move, and it's one that could have easily backfired.
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The population he'd regularly drawn his audience from was in a very patriotic phase, and a
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lot of the Republican types might punch you for saying that you thought 9-11 was an inside
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job.
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It was alienating to what was obviously his core demographic, but Alex on some level understood
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that this was his ticket.
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There wasn't going to be another publicly traumatic event on this scale in the United
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States for a long time, and if he could attach himself to it by demanding people accept his
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alternative version of the story, he could make his mark in this very wet cement.
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It truly was a different time, and although I'm certain there were crass financial considerations
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and Alex didn't believe most of this shit, it's important to keep in mind how hard it
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was to be a person like that in 2002.
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The country was trying to come together and heal, and Alex made it his business to try
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to keep these wounds open, insisting that if you let them heal, you'll never find the
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true culprit, the globalists.
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I say all this not to pump Alex up, because he's still a liar and a fraud and even was
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back then, but instead I say this to disrespect Tucker Carlson and the idea that he would
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make a 9-11 conspiracy documentary 24 years later and act like he's breaking new ground.
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When it would have been an interesting position to have, Tucker was wearing bow ties on crossfire
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and arguing in favor of Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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He was trying to be a mouthpiece for the state, so he hated the idea that people had
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conspiracies about 9-11.
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He said as much to Alex in one of their interviews that he deeply disliked Alex because he thought
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the conspiracies about 9-11 were disgusting.
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But now the calculus has changed entirely, and there is no cost to being a 9-11 theorist,
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and it comes to Tucker to try to steal Alex's crown by making this five-part 9-11 conspiracy
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series.
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There are no ifs, ands, or buts about one thing, I think, and that is that Alex Jones
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is the 9-11 guy.
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He's wrong about pretty much everything and he doesn't even remember all the fake things
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he's proven over the years, but he was the guy who took on the risk of being the face
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of a deeply unpopular thing when the country wanted no part of it.
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If you're Tucker, who is supposedly Alex's friend, you can't make a 9-11 series and not
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have it mostly be about Alex's work, because whatever you're going to put into that documentary,
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he's probably already covered.
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If you're Tucker, you should just plug loose change and move on.
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Call it a day.
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And if he hasn't already covered it, that's you indicting him.
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Mm-hmm, yeah.
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That he did nothing.
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Exactly.
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Yep.
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All his work and all of that risk that he took on amounted to him just being wrong.
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Yep.
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I say all this, and I am interested in this move on Tucker's part because I believe that
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it's part of a concerted effort to replace Alex as a meaningful figure in the Trump media
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ecosystem.
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Alex is too embarrassing.
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He has too much baggage.
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It has to be.
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Yeah.
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And so Tucker seems like he's well positioned to slide into this.
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He can't be the guy who predicted 9-11 or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but give him
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the, he's the expert spot and now you've got-
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He's serious and he's doing hard work on it.
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And now you don't even need Alex.
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You can just be like, oh, Alex predicted it, but this guy's the expert on it.
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Yeah.
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I believe that putting out a documentary series about 9-11 and 2025 is an effort of usurpation.
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Yeah.
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Trying to steal this thing from Alex.
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Yeah.
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But maybe, hey, maybe it's possible that Tucker broke new ground on 9-11 and you know, maybe
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has a smoking gun.
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If you put out, like say now, right?
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If I put out a, let's say like thousand hour documentary on the civil war, I'm coming for
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Ken Burns.
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If I put out a two hour documentary on the civil war, I'm not coming for Ken Burns, but
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if I put out enough, Ken Burns is watching out, right?
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Like that's-
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Well, it's a five part series and it's, they're half hour long.
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So they're not, you know, it's not the same as a thousand-
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But they're lazy, these are all lazy people.
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So that is a lot of work for their benchmarks.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's definitely, there's intent.
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There's like the intent of a thousand hours behind it.
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Yes, exactly.
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Yeah.
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So I thought that we would watch the first episode and see what kind of feelings it evokes,
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see where we see if it feels worth covering more.
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Okay.
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So we're going to jump in here at the beginning of his first episode of the, we're going to
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all the truth about 9-11 baby.
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Okay, all right.
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For 24 years now, politicians, the media, Intel agencies in this country and abroad
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have all demanded that you believe the official story about 9-11.
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And here's what it is.
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They tell you a group of Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists, many of whom were known to US
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Intel services, somehow managed to evade capture for years as they planned the most significant
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and elaborate terror attack in human history.
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We're told that despite repeated encounters with the FBI, the CIA, local law enforcement,
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airport security, foreign Intel organizations, the right information somehow never made it
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to the right people.
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The government failed because it just didn't have the intelligence it needed.
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That's the story.
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That story is a lie.
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Nearly 25 years later, the families of 3000 civilians are still mourning the murder of
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their loved ones.
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Anyone who doubts the official narrative is cast as a kook, a criminal, a fringe conspiracy
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theorist and punished.
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They've been blacklisted and censored and banned.
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Even as the leaders who failed to protect our country on 9-11 use these attacks as a
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pretense to expand their own powers and permanently transform the United States.
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I don't think people particularly care what anyone thinks about 9-11 conspiracies now.
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People who are old enough to drink weren't even born when it happened, so there isn't
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a lot of heightened emotions around the subject anymore.
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Pete Davidson's dad was killed in the attack and he just performed at the Riyadh Comedy
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Festival, so I think that speaks to the lowered temperature that people have about this.
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Maybe in the few years after the attack people would call you a conspiracy theorist if you
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questioned things, but that was back in a time when Tucker was calling people a conspiracy
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theorist if they questioned things.
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That's a real problem with this documentary right from the outset.
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Tucker himself was literally the problem he's now complaining about.
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Alex was the guy taking lumps for putting out 9-11 conspiracy documentaries and in that
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stretch where Tucker is talking about how you'd get punished for questioning things,
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he doesn't even flash up a picture of Alex as homage, as like this was the crusader.
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Tucker Carlson making this documentary is inappropriate because he was part of the original
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story and unless this documentary includes an exploration of how he behaved during the
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Iraq war, then it's worthless.
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He can't start his show grandstanding about the poor conspiracy theorists who were stigmatized
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by the media when he was part of the media that specifically stigmatized those conspiracy
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theorists because unless he clears that shit up, all of the attacks that he's going to
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make on the media should probably apply to him too.
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Yeah, if he says, I know that they were told to smear these people, hell, I did it, that
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would make more sense.
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Here's clips of me doing exactly what I'm saying these people are doing, right?
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Because if they're all shills, then it stands to reason that he was behaving the same way,
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he was a shill too.
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And if he doesn't take account of that, it doesn't take responsibility for that, why
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would I have any reason to think what he's doing now is sincere?
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Oh no, because he's not shilling now, that would be right in character with somebody
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who does it.
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Oh no, nevermind, you're right, that's a good point.
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So I'm looking out for Tucker having a sort of moment of-
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Come to Jesus moment.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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You know what, I realized something about my entire life, I'm awful.
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We're not going to get that in the first episode, I'll tell you that for sure.
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Not surprising.
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So he goes on to preface this episode and he wants you to be clear, people I'm going
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to be talking to, they aren't kooks.
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Oh, well that's not good.
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None of this is speculation, all of it is true.
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Over the course of this series-
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It sounds like you're speculating.
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... we hear accounts from people who lived it.
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CIA officers and analysts who were there, FBI agents from the Bin Laden unit, family
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members of the victims.
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None of these people are kooks.
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All of them have firsthand information.
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What they'll tell you is that what you have been told about September 11th is not true.
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I feel like you're in sketchy territory when you have to start out your documentary series
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assuring people that the guests you're going to interview aren't kooks.
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It makes it a little too clear that the kind of media you make often involves talking to
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kooks and that maybe you're defensive about it.
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Yeah.
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This isn't like my regular shit is what you're actually saying, but in a way that makes you
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sound less like you're taking responsibility for how you're a liar.
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Well it's indicting both your own work and then also the work on this subject.
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You're turning on a 9-11 conspiracy documentary, you're probably expecting you might see kooks.
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You're turning on a Tucker product, you expect you might see kooks.
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Right, and this is double that.
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You're expecting to see the kookiest and yeah, we're going to deliver I bet.
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So one of the big things that Tucker wants and he's calling for is a new 9-11 commission,
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a real one, one that wasn't a cover up.
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Great.
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Why are we doing this?
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Our purpose is in part to make the strongest possible case for a real investigation into
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9-11, 25 years later.
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A new 9-11 commission, one that is honest, one that is not guided by partisan political
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interests, one that is not serving foreign powers.
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To do this investigation we spent many months looking into what actually happened and speaking
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to people who saw it.
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We poured over thousands of pages of documents, mostly primary sources, but also contemporaneous
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news reports and declassified government documents.
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Over the course of this investigation we made numerous findings that shocked us, not least
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of which the apparent role that former CIA director John Brennan played in helping bring
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the 9-11 hijackers to the United States.
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And the remarkable lengths the CIA went to to protect the 9-11 hijackers from the FBI
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and from domestic law enforcement.
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So John Brennan is high on Trump's enemies list and it's pretty clear that Trump is looking
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to lock some folks up.
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And Brennan is in that category for sure.
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Hey listen, fuck that guy.
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So I'm all for it.
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Right, but you know I think that there's a way to do things that's within the law and
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a way to do things that is I'm jailing my enemies.
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Sure, we're in the wild west, fuck that guy.
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So right out of the gate this feels like a, less like a sincere fact finding exercise
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and more like an attempt to come up with justifications for Trump to arrest Brennan.
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But I'll wait until he lays out some more evidence to make up his mind.
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This is all just kind of a blowhard preamble thing he's doing.
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I do appreciate this because this is something that is still true.
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Not as much as it was back then, but still true.
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The only thing that is not really talked about with the 9-11 is that maybe it's just an expected
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and understood consequence of the fact that America went over to a bunch of different
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places and killed all those people.
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And if you keep doing that you should expect it to happen more.
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That's the only thing people won't just be like, oh well then I guess we're done.
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So Tucker brings up his first non-cuke guest.
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And this is the person who's going to be the subject of the first episode.
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Telling the full story requires starting before the attacks going back to something called
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Alec Station, that was the CIA's bin Laden unit in 1999.
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My name is Mark Rossini.
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I'm a former FBI agent.
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So from January 1999 to May of 2003 I was the FBI New York Joint Terrorism Task Force
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representative to Alec Station at CIA headquarters.
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So this is not the first time that Mark Rossini has been interviewed about his time at Alec
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Station, so let's just establish that nothing that he's saying in this interview is new.
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At the risk of being accused of shooting the messenger, I feel like I should tell you a
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few things about Mark Rossini before he starts his story because I think they might help
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you better assess his credibility.
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So Rossini was a FBI agent until 2008 when he had to retire after pleading guilty to
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five felony counts of criminally accessing the FBI databases.
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This story gets a little bit messy, so strap in.
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I bet he's probably great with women.
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In the 90s and early 2000s, Anthony Palacano became a big name in terms of private investigator
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business.
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He worked with politicians like Bill Clinton and celebrities like Michael Jackson digging
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up dirt on people who accused them of wrongdoing.
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Over the years, the private investigation business started to drift into being more
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of a fixer kind of thing where Palacano would wiretap celebrities and powerful agents in
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Hollywood in order to gather compromising information about them.
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So his job was literal victim blaming?
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Well, interesting.
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Hold on to that thought.
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He worked with a couple of lawyers and he didn't mind doing illegal things in order
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to help his clients.
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He'd been considered very slimy for most of his career, and one of the best examples of
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that is in relation to Michael Jackson.
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Palacano famously produced an audio tape alleged to be the father of one of the child victims,
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expressing that he just wanted to extort Jackson, which played a big role in hurting the credibility
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of accusations that were being levied against him.
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The father in question denied this tape's authenticity, but that smear had been born
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and it was in everyone's head.
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Later, Palacano would try to remove himself from the case, claiming that he'd uncovered
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horrible information and that Jackson, quote, did something far worse to those young boys
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than molest them.
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Great.
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But his actions remained and he had already...
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Funny how that works.
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So, you know, the victim blaming and...
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No, no, no, I take it back.
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I take it back.
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There's no... you can take it back, right?
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Yeah.
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Sure, buddy.
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You can't just... no, you can take it back.
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There's no pee in the pool, man!
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So the depths of Palacano's shithead awfulness could take up a whole episode, so just suffice
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it to say that he's a big old asshole.
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Where he intersects with our story is that in 2008, when Mark Racini pled guilty to five
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charges of illegally accessing FBI databases, he was doing it to feed information to Anthony Palacano.
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Sure.
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To be clear, by this point where Racini was interacting with him, there was zero mystery
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about Palacano being a shady character.
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In November 2002, Palacano had been arrested for possessing grenades and C4 after a reporter
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found her car vandalized with a message that just said, stop.
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That reporter was working on a story that involved one of Palacano's clients, Steven
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Seagal, and you could put the rest of the pieces together yourself.
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Sure, huh.
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Yeah.
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So grenades and C4.
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Just keeping them around?
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You never know when you're gonna need them.
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I feel... you know what?
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I don't... listen.
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Maybe I don't understand the thread too well, but I feel like munition storage is the number
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one problem that all of the guys like these guys face in terms of how their inevitable
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end comes about.
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Well, do you mean that they don't hide these things well enough?
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Well, I mean, sure, there's the hiding, of course, and then there's the accidentally
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blowing themselves up.
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There's the, why do you need this much?
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This is more like collecting.
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How many bullets do you need if you're only using a gun instead of a howitzer?
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You know what I mean?
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Sure.
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Or a six tube thing.
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What do you say to somebody who has a wine cellar, though?
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You don't need all that wine.
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I mean that, well, it's a fair investment.
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You could maybe sell it later.
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There's all kinds of things.
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That's true of C4.
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Are you saying that of C4?
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Yes!
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Actually, that is a good point.
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Maybe C4 does gain value over time.
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It has a good, this is an aged C4.
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Right, right.
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This is a good vintage.
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Should we invest in C4?
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Look, we'll talk about it off air.
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Okay, fair enough.
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I'm disinclined.
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Knowledge by an official investment bank.
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So Mark Rossini was an FBI agent assigned to the bin Laden unit, and he was so comically
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corrupt that he broke the law to access information to give to Anthony Pelicano.
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His actions could have compromised the case against Pelicano, but Rossini didn't seem
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to care.
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Fun little fact about this story, Rossini was dating actress Linda Fiorentino at some
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point who had previously dated Pelicano.
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Jesus Christ.
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Some might suggest that she was dating Rossini in order to get access to his FBI files on
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Pelicano's behalf, but this is just pure speculation, not proven either way.
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And wild.
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Either way, Rossini gave her the files and she gave them to Pelicano's lawyers, which
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is a major part of why you don't see her in movies after Dogma.
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How about that?
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Yeah.
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Huh.
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So Rossini just had to retire from the FBI over this, and he got a light probation and
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a fine.
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However, he wasn't done doing crimes.
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You know what?
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I find it so hard to believe that these three-lettered organizations seem so lawless.
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It's almost like any time they break the law, they face no consequences for it, do you?
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Yeah.
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Well, get ready for another story about that.
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Oh, yeah?
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In 2022, the governor of Puerto Rico, Wanda Vasquez-Garcad, was arrested on charges of
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accepting illegal foreign donations to her campaign.
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In August 2025, she pled guilty.
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This all goes back to a Puerto Rican banker named Julio Herrera Velutini.
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His bank was being examined by the Office of the Commissioner of Financial Institutions,
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which looked like it was going to uncover some crimes.
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Sure.
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It's alleged that through some back channels, Velutini and Mark Rossini, working in some
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kind of an advisory role, reached out to Vasquez-Garcad and offered to fund her campaign if she would
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replace the head of the Office of the Commissioner of Financial Institutions with someone chosen
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by Velutini when she was elected, someone who was more friendly to his interests.
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So we're doing a corruption.
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Yes.
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Let's start there.
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Hey, buddy, we're doing a corruption.
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You want to in?
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Mm-hmm.
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All right.
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So everyone involved was facing some potential jail time, but one of Trump's personal lawyers,
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Chris Kice, got in the mix on behalf of that bank guy.
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So now it looks like it's all been talked down to misdemeanors and no one's going to
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really get into trouble.
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Funny how that works.
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But at this point, when they're recording this interview, most likely-
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He's afraid of going to jail.
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Yes.
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For a long, long time.
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It looks like he's probably going to end up in jail in Puerto Rico.
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Right.
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Man, now is a good time to commit crimes.
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You should re- everybody should really be committing way more crimes.
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I feel like we have a lot of examples of people getting away with some crazy shit.
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I mean, it's wild.
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So my point here is that Mark Rossini is a hell of a character for Tucker to just pretend
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is a bin Laden expert.
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Sure.
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He's got a lot of baggage spanning decades that strongly calls his integrity into question.
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He was willing to abuse the privacy of the FBI databases in order to help Anthony Pelicano's
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criminal racket.
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So forgive me if I don't think that this guy seems like a humble public servant who just
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wants to tell everybody the truth.
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In the same way that for this to be a sincere thing, Tucker needs to unpack his own involvement
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in 9-11.
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And if he wants to use Mark Rossini as an expert, he needs to inform the audience that
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he's a fraud guy and has done some fraud stuff.
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I mean, okay.
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So when you're using a witness, like whenever I'm, let's say we're in a courtroom and somebody's
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brought up a witness and I'm cross examining this witness and it's the state's witness
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and this guy is really, really good.
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But then I find out that he spent his entire life lying to people, specifically people
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in courtrooms.
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I think that's pretty solid cross examination.
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You know, like, hey, you're a liar.
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Done.
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Right?
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And it doesn't mean that someone who has done fraud stuff will always lie.
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That's just as bad a conclusion to come to.
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We're not in a weird riddle about trying to figure out who always lies.
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No, but depriving an audience of like this important piece of assessing the credibility
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of a witness that you're talking to is dirty in terms of making a documentary.
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Generally, here's what I would say.
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If you have been paid many times for the specific act of lying, then you are a professional
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liar and so I no longer can trust you.
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Right?
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That's fair.
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Yeah.
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And you've done that to yourself.
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Yeah.
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You have decided to lie.
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You went pro.
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Get paid by Pelicano.
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Absolutely.
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That's why, like, it would be an interesting thing for this interview to be like, you're
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a former FBI agent.
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Right.
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Why?
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What happened?
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You doing all right?
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What traits you want to give us?
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You retired.
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Probably with awards?
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Any kind of awards you want to show us about your...
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It's entirely possible that they could have presented it as like, he was fired as payback
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for spilling the beans about something about bin Laden or whatever.
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They could have done that, but they don't even...
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Then you bring attention to the fact that he was fired and if you look up, why was this
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guy fired not going to go well?
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It does seem like an intentional choice.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Mark Rossini has a bit of a story that he's going to tell and it has to do with before
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9-11, there were no good sources inside Al Qaeda.
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Okay.
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Before 9-11, there were no sources in Al Qaeda.
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None.
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There was a group of Pashtun caretakers.
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Okay.
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They called them the Trod Pints.
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The Trod Pints were these Pashtun people that were bin Laden's T-boys and T-gals, right?
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And they were the great source of the Pakistani intel service that was feeding information
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from the Trod Pints to the ISI to the CIA about what was going on in Al Qaeda.
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They had all the electronic communication satellite shit in the world, imagery.
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I remember looking at images of bin Laden in his courtyard, all that.
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Fine.
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What's in his head?
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What's he saying?
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What's he doing?
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These people are 10,000 miles away.
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They don't give a shit about America.
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I don't care about going to jail.
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They want to die.
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How are you going to get a source inside there?
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So this clip begins to lay out the argument that Rossini is here to make, which is that
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before 9-11, there were no sources inside Al Qaeda.
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So the CIA under John Brennan allowed the eventual terrorists to enter the United States
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and impeded the FBI's attempts to arrest them because the CIA wanted to flip them to become
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sources.
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This is an interesting jump off point because normally the villains in conspiracy stories
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will have plainly evil motivations.
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In this version, they have a misguided but legitimate reason for their actions.
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They let the 9-11 hijackers come into the country and stop their arrest, but it wasn't
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because they wanted 9-11 to happen.
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In a perfect world where everything went according to plan for the bad guys here, 9-11 wouldn't
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have happened, which presumably means the Patriot Act doesn't pass and we probably don't
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go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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The guys like Rumsfeld and Cheney just wanted inside intel on what Bin Laden was up to.
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They weren't trying to orchestrate a giant false flag to seize power.
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This is weird.
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This seems incompatible with what Tucker-
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Well, okay.
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So in one situation, let's say we've got a conspiracy wherein there are globalists and
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outside extra governmental organizations secretly in control of all of these things that organizes
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a false flag in order to get the people of the United States onto board with blah, blah,
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blah, blah.
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So our course of action there, deal with those globalists.
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The CIA maybe worked outside of its brief too hard.
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That's not necessarily ... Maybe the solution is like reign it in.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's a very different conspiracy.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's one of the things that is notable about this.
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This is much more like trying to stay within something that sounds like real world.
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Yeah.
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As opposed to a lot of the stuff you'll hear from Alex and the conventional 9-11 folk.
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Well, the guy who wrote Legacy of Ashes, Tim Weiner, I think, he also wrote a follow-up
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book.
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It's all about the past 40 years of the CIA or whatever.
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And yeah, I would say in general, it's not so much conspiracies between them that need
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to be worked out or problems with secret people controlling the government as it is
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like, if you give a lot of people unlimited amount of money and no consequences for their
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behavior, shit's going to get weird.
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That's going to happen.
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It's true.
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Yeah.
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It's true.
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And sometimes ... I don't want to say good intentions, but like-
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Sure.
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Understandable intentions can go far off track.
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Keep the United States people safe can go a long way in the wrong direction very quickly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Without oversight, easy.
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Oh boy.
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Why are we drugging everybody without their knowledge?
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No, that's not good.
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Are we keeping people safe?
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So he discusses how there's no sources.
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And then after the 93 attack, they get a guy who has a phone number and they have the Hada
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Home switchboard, which they're able to trace Al Qaeda agents from.
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So we got some movement.
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Yeah.
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Things start to come together a little bit.
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Before September 11th, US Intel Services got most of their intelligence on Bin Laden from
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what was called the Hada Home switchboard in Sana'a, Yemen.
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That was a communications hub that Bin Laden and his associates used to communicate with
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each other.
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They were at the time living in Yemen.
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The FBI gained access to this after-
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You're saying the Hada Home in Yemen?
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Yeah.
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And live, Dawoud Rashid Al-Awlih, Saudi.
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He gets captured by the Kenyan police.
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John flies over from New York and already there have been two FBI agents interviewing
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Dawoud.
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They were getting someplace, but they really weren't getting that far.
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John walks in.
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And first thing he does, he says, you need some water?
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You want a drink?
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Did you eat today?
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Did you pray?
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Are you okay?
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Yeah, I'm fine.
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I'm fine.
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I'm fine.
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He said, just relax.
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Just, just, just, let's have a chat.
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He didn't beat him with a phone book.
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He didn't fucking waterboard room.
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He didn't pull his fingernails out.
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He wasn't Mr. Tough Guy.
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Like all these fucking assholes like Dick Cheney want to believe, right?
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All pieces of shit.
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He talked to him like a human being.
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Take me through the day.
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Talk to me.
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So I went to the hotel and I got my stuff ready.
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John, did you, did you call anybody?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I called this number and he wrote it down and he gave John the number of the hala-hole
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in Sana'a, Yemen.
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So I agree with Mark that torturing people is bad and that Cheney was an asshole, but
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he doesn't come off as a great interview subject here.
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He seems very angry and you get the feeling that he takes some of this personally in a
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way that calls into question his objectivity.
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Who the fuck is this guy?
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This motherfucking piece of shit thinks he's a tough guy.
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What is happening?
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An avocado would take out his knees.
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Also, you're sending big signals if you're like, ah, this terrorist chickened out from
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doing a 9-11.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Don't say chickened out.
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He chickened out, but then this FBI agent was so nice to give him a glass of water.
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Say he wisely did not do a terrorism.
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This coward.
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What are you, what are you doing?
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Are you trying to goad people into terrorizing you?
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I guess.
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So the shit talking and all that, it makes Mark a better and more entertaining guy to
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have in a sensationalized context.
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Like if this were a reality TV series, but he seems far too emotionally performative
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for the documentary expert role that he's supposed to be playing.
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He's not fucking waterboarding nobody.
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Not like Cheney wants to think he that piece of shit fucking asshole.
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All right.
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So you were, so we had you in a position of power before.
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That's no good.
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Fiorentino is going to shoot you in the foot.
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Jesus Christ.
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There's a dramatic flourish to how Mark is telling the story, but none of the information
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that he's adding is new.
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I mean, it's always nice to hear a solid go fuck yourself or, you know, like fuck that
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guy in a documentary.
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Cause you're like, whoa, that's not where this is supposed to be.
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They don't get to say that whenever it's true.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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And then he was going to prison.
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So let it fly.
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I mean, it's, everything is a lot more personal in a what the 25th hour.
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Is that correct?
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Is that that movie?
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So the argument is that the CIA was trying to recruit these hijackers and make them into
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informants.
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Yes.
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And that is a theory.
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It is not established.
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It is not proven.
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No.
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But they start to just treat it as if they have proven it.
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Come on.
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They have the CIA then following one man and then two men all over the planet.
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And then eventually even to America, right?
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Landing in Los Angeles, California.
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And you don't tell the FBI.
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But why would the CIA want to hide the highly relevant and potentially dangerous fact that
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two known Al Qaeda terrorists had just landed in California.
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According to a recently released court filing, former white house counter-terrorisms are
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Richard Clark told government investigators that the quote CIA was running a false flag
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operation to recruit the hijackers.
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When Cofer Black became the head of the counter-terrorism center at CIA, he was aghast that they had
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no sources in Al Qaeda.
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So he told me, I'm going to try to get sources in Al Qaeda.
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I can understand them possibly saying we need to develop sources inside Al Qaeda.
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When we do that, we can't tell anybody about it.
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After Clark made that claim publicly, he received an angry call from former director of the
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CIA, George Tenet, who did not deny the allegations made by Mr. Clark, end quote.
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But we reached out to Tenet, his spokesperson denied that the CIA was recruiting hijackers,
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calling it false rumors and saying, quote, that's categorically not true.
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So it's important to pay attention to the way that information is used by people like
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Tucker and notice the little tweaks that they make in order to push their narratives.
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In this case, Tucker is setting up his clip of Richard Clark and he says that Clark revealed
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that the CIA was engaged in a false flag to recruit these hijackers.
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He said that.
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Then he plays the clip of Clark that does not say that.
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But instead is Clark saying that he could understand the intelligence folks trying to
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secretly turn the future hijackers into informants.
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He wasn't saying that the CIA was doing this, but he understood how it was possible.
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Hypothetically, I think that's a good idea.
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So jump to conclusions.
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It is what happened.
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Yeah.
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One of the conspiracy theorists main tricks is equating proving that something is possible
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with proving that it's true.
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Richard Clark saying that it's possible that the CIA was trying to recruit the hijackers
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as informants is not the same thing as him saying that is what happened.
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But Tucker knows that to his audience, it is the same.
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So he treats it as the same thing.
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He's like, I'm showing you evidence of X and he's just showing you Y.
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It is truly amazing, I think, how quickly human beings have taken implication as read.
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If it's said in a documentary with this kind of tone of voice over it, well then it must
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be true.
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Right.
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You know, like, oh shit.
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It doesn't matter if he even said, I say this is happening.
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It's like, they might've done that, but it's in a documentary so you know it's true.
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He just can't say it's true.
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Right?
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Like that's the thought process now.
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Yeah, I guess.
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Well, I mean, there's a code, documentarian code.
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Yeah, there is a code.
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So Mark Racini, his piece of this that is like, well, he personally intersects with
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the story, is that while he was working at the Alex station, he and another FBI agent,
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they filed a report to a CIA analyst that had to do with these two hijackers that went
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to Malaysia, that went to Thailand, and then came to the United States.
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And he was told by the CIA analyst, this isn't a FBI matter.
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You know, he was told like, this isn't, we're not dealing with this or whatever.
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That's his personal piece of this.
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He was told to shut up.
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That could just be a regular, like, this actually isn't your job.
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Yeah, it could be.
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It could be.
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And I think that you have to assess it through the lens of who Mark Racini is also.
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He's telling this story.
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His interpretation might not be accurate.
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He seems angry.
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You can't be on this job because you are an untrustworthy person.
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We've caught you many times and caught is-
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No, this is before all those problems.
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Right, right, right.
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But, you know, he didn't just start doing those things.
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Probably not.
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We knew you were shady.
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You can't work on this because you'll tell somebody.
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So he had that experience, and he's talked about that a lot, like going back years.
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This is not like the first time, like Tucker's interview didn't break new ground in terms
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of this guy's story.
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Right, right, right.
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But it's treated as evidence that the CIA didn't want the FBI mucking around because
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they're trying to flip these guys.
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And that was their delusional plan that they were trying to do.
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CIA had this delusional grand plan.
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So the CIA, with their information that they had from the Hata House and their own psychological
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analysis of everybody in that team, they figured the best way is maybe to recruit somebody
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who came over from Malaysia.
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Talila Mirha, and now Afa Hazmi.
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We kept the FBI at bay because we told Mark Racini and Doug Miller to shut the fuck up.
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So let's just try to get inside-
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Is that what they said, Doug?
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What did they actually say?
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And that's what went wrong.
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That was the grand lie, the grand risk, the grand delusion.
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You had a duty to protect Americans and you failed because of your fucking fantastical
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delusion that you could recruit somebody inside the cell.
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The official 9-11 report does not address the CIA's plan to recruit the hijackers.
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It's not even mentioned.
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It's possible this is because the CIA blocked 9-11 Commission investigators from talking
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to the agents who participated in the plot.
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Amazingly, the CIA's director of operations kept the CIA operative attempting to recruit
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the hijackers, referred to as VVV in the documents, away from the Commission's investigators.
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The consequence of this?
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The Commission's explanation for this story is that the CIA made an honest mistake.
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The actual language in the report says the CIA played, quote, zone defense and the FBI
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had a man-to-man approach to counter-terrorism.
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So none of this is new information and it also doesn't prove anything.
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Mark Rossini can aggressively assert all this stuff, but he can't prove that the CIA was
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trying to recruit the hijackers, which is why the FBI and CIA were bad at sharing information
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before 9-11.
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He can make a compelling argument that it's possible that this happened, but none of this
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actually proves anything concrete.
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Tucker and Rossini are now just treating the theory that the CIA was trying to recruit
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the hijackers as a proven thing and the fact that the 9-11 report didn't cover it is proof
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of a cover-up.
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They weren't allowed to talk to the person who was doing the recruitment, which definitively
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shows that there was a recruitment plan.
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If there was somebody, the CIA named VVV, who was involved in recruiting the hijackers,
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then this is done.
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The conspiracy is proven.
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Easy.
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So the 9-11 Commission report doesn't mention anyone named VVV and Tucker is saying that
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this is a name that's used in the documents.
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The documents.
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He says the documents.
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Big quotation marks around that.
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He doesn't mention which documents he means because he wants the viewer to just assume
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that this is all part of the 9-11 Commission investigation, but it's not.
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The name VVV comes from a 2021 declaration made by a guy named Donald C. Canestraro,
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an investigator with the Military Commission's Defense Organization.
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This declaration was not a work product of the military, but it's more like a brief that
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was filed in the case of an accused 9-11 plotter who was going to go on trial named
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Ammar Al-Baluchi.
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Al-Baluchi was arrested after 9-11 and sent to Guantanamo Bay, where he's been tortured
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and held for a long time, and as part of his defense strategy, his lawyers are arguing
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that he shouldn't be executed because there was Saudi government involvement in the plotting
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of 9-11 that has gone unpunished.
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The argument that this declaration makes is that the CIA was seeking to get sources within
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al-Qaeda and knew that the FBI wouldn't cooperate.
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Because the CIA isn't allowed to operate in actions inside the United States, they recruited
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Saudi government agents, specifically one man named Omar al-Bayoumi, to collaborate
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on trying to flip the two hijackers that Mark Rossini mentions going to Malaysia.
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Things went bad, the recruitment didn't work, and then the cover-up was on.
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That's the argument that's largely put forth in this declaration that was used by the defense
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lawyers for an alleged 9-11 plotter.
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The code name VVV is used in the declaration to describe a character who's brought up by
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one of the confidential sources that Ken Estraro spoke to when compiling this report.
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The source is named CS3, and it's very clearly Mark Rossini.
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The source tells the exact same story that Mark is telling in this video with Tucker,
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down to him and another FBI agent.
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Funny how that works.
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Yeah, exactly the same.
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Yeah.
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So Mark Rossini brings up a CIA analyst who the report decides to call VVV, who tells
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CS3 not to distribute the report that he and his colleague at the FBI had written up.
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In this interview with Tucker, Mark has already revealed this story.
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He's told this story and revealed who VVV is.
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It's someone named Michael Ann Casey, who was a CIA analyst who told him shut down.
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Right, right, right, right.
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So for Tucker to not be able to figure out who VVV is when it's very, very, very...
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Oh, three V's.
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Hey!
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Very, very, very clear.
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Like it, I like it.
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It's a little strange.
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Oh, almost like...
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I mean, if I was one of the people consuming this documentary, and I had just been privy
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to that information, I would think, why?
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These people are covering something up.
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They're either refusing to pursue some very clear things, or they're hiding the ball.
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It's one of the two.
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Which is what you're accusing the CIA and the FBI of doing exactly.
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You're doing the thing that you're saying they're doing identically.
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And that's not to say that the CIA didn't.
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It just means that you're doing a bad job with whatever you're doing.
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Listen, that's the problem with the fucking CIA.
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Did the CIA do this?
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You don't know, but if they go like, oh, they fucked with JFK.
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Well yeah, RFK, well yeah, they did that, well yeah, they did all that stuff.
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But you don't know if they did this shit.
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You just can say it.
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Yeah.
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You have done an okay job of, I guess, saying that something is possible.
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But again, it does not prove...
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Well if they did, I ran contra, then they, yes, I understand, but that doesn't mean they
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did this.
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Yeah.
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Someone being capable of murder doesn't show that they did murder.
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Yeah, they're fucked up and they shouldn't exist.
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That's not your angle, though.
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Your angle is like they're evil, which is, yeah!
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So the evidence that shows that the CIA kept Casey, or VVV, from testifying to the 9-11
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commission comes from that declaration, from words that are attributed to CS3, who is Mark
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Rossini.
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Right.
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So Tucker, when he says that VVV was kept away from the 9-11 commission, it is just
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him citing a document that is citing the guy he's interviewing.
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So quote, CS3 stated that he or she overheard one senior CIA official, Director of Operations
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James Pavitt, telling CIA Director George Tenet that he was glad we kept CIA analyst
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VVV from 9-11 commission investigators.
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So it's something that Mark, under the guise of CS3, told the guy making this declaration.
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Right.
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It's nice.
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It's like an escalated Fox News, you know, like in the morning we're reporting on this
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and then the evening is like, people are saying all kinds of shit!
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It's information self-dealing.
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Yep.
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So when you trace back this thing to the bottom, you find that the documents that Tucker is
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using to strengthen Mark's story are actually just other people publishing things Mark said,
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but as an anonymous source.
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Tucker likely doesn't point this out, that he's pulling all of this stuff from the Canestraro
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Declaration because if he did, he wouldn't be able to play these fun games with the VVV
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stuff.
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Yeah.
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He should already know who that is.
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If he's done all the work that he's claimed he's done on this, then this shouldn't be...
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He should have really first-hand kind of information about this, considering this is the exact
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type of shit they did to justify moving into Iraq.
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He loved that.
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They had the fake guy that lied and then they just put him under a bunch of different names
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and they're like, well, everybody's saying it now.
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Crazy.
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Maybe that'll be one of the other episodes of his documentary.
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It was us.
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I did it.
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It was me.
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So the CIA was trying to get these hijackers to become informants.
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Right.
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Because they're not going to listen to American CIA agents get Saudi agents like al-Baiumi
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in order to actually flip them, which is what we lay out here.
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The CIA utilized the Saudis in the form of Omar al-Baiumi to spy for them and to gather
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intelligence.
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Before 9-11, the CIA was forbidden from engaging in domestic spying.
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They used the Saudi intelligence as a workaround.
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We'll rely upon the Saudi GID, General Intelligence Directorate, their version of the CIA via
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Prince Bandar, via their man Omar al-Baiumi, to keep us informed as to the activity of
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these terrorists.
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Baiumi's notebook, which was uncovered when British law enforcement raided his home in
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the UK, contained a drawing of an airplane and mathematical calculations related to flying
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it.
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The 9-11 Commission investigators never saw this.
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At the time, al-Baiumi had a no-show job at a Saudi aviation contractor called Avco.
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The company's employees say he was one of roughly 50 ghost employees working there at
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the time, taking the paycheck but never coming to work.
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According to declassified government documents, an investigator from the 9-11 Commission said
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al-Baiumi was receiving substantial sums of money from the Saudi embassy in Washington
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prior to the 9-11 attacks, that the money was being funneled from accounts at Riggs
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Bank in Georgetown, belonging to Haifa bin Faisal, the wife of the Saudi ambassador to
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the United States.
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By using the Saudis as a proxy to recruit the 9-11 hijackers, the CIA gave itself cover.
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If things went wrong, they could push a narrative that blamed the Saudi government for the attacks,
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which is what they did.
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So most of this stuff is coming from that same declaration.
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The no-show jobs at URCON and Avco, the Riggs Bank stuff, that's all in this declaration.
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Tucker's basically just covering that declaration and not attributing it properly while using
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one of the confidential sources from that report as a guest on this show.
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This is not good work.
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It's sloppy all over the place.
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Also, the US government did not end up blaming Saudi Arabia for the attack.
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No, they kind of went hard the other direction.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how Tucker can get away with saying they did this in order to be able to
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blame Saudi Arabia, and they did.
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How can he say that?
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That's crazy.
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I don't like whenever so much is built on rules that are only occasionally enforced.
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Especially in the circular logic that they exist within.
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Here's why the CIA can't do that, because they can't work on US soil.
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But 15 of your other conspiracies involve them working on US soil.
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That should be established as not a reason.
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I think that in this case, you have the added thing of, well, these guys are Islamic terrorists.
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They probably would not respond to someone who is not also of the Muslim ...
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Whatever you like.
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I think that you could make an argument for why it's not just the CIA rule.
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For sure.
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But it is definitely appealed to.
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But that's what I'm saying.
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There are all of these things that are then used as like house of cards.
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I understand why you're doing that.
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It does seem reasonable if we're not in your world.
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If we're having a regular ass conversation with people, yeah, that's different.
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But if you're in this documentary using it, that means that you're grasping at bullshit.
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Yeah.
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You're trying ... It's all behavior that's meant to proceed to a conclusion that you've
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already determined, as opposed to letting the evidence guide you wherever it may go.
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And preemptively arguing with the viewer.
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That kind of, before you ask, I'm providing this information, is cutting off me asking
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for something, and then asking another question about the information you've given me.
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It's when there's a ball rolling of questions that you're trying to cut off.
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Yeah.
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And I think that part of the reason is because any kind of momentum on the ball in terms
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of this would make Tucker look pretty bad.
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It doesn't look good.
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The over-reliance on stuff from this declaration, the not explaining that this is something
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that was made as something to be put into the defense for one of the 9-11 terrorists,
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alleged plotters, as it were.
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Not disclosing that the guest you have is one of the confidential sources for that declaration.
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A lot of the information that you're reporting as truth comes from unfounded, unproven things
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that he has said.
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It's just sloppy as shit.
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The fact that he worked with Anthony Pelicano.
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If you are a confidential source, you can't then become a public source without also revealing
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that you were a confidential source.
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Especially in the same piece.
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Yeah.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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It's a mess.
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That's dumb.
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So Tucker closes this thing up.
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I think he's proven his point that the 9-11 report sucks and is a lie.
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The truth is, the official 9-11 commission report sold to the American public and the
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world for decades as the definitive account of what happened that day is a lie.
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9-11 commissioned was a cover up.
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But how did the Bush administration manage to hijack what was sold as an independent
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commission?
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And what exactly were they trying to hide?
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We'll reveal what we found in the next episode.
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I don't think I'm interested.
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You know, I, it's...
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What could you possibly have found?
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Smoking guns all over the place, man.
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How could you have found a smoking gun without your first episode being like, oh, we fixed
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it.
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We figured it out.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if this is the first episode, you have a wildly suspicious guest.
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You have information that you're laundering from a different place without disclosing
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it.
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You have a lot of old information being reported as if it's new.
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You have conclusions that aren't earned being jumped to.
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I really just don't think that there's any chance that episode two, three, four, or five
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is going to be any different.
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You start with a, if you're a performer, you have a strong opener.
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Sure.
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No, no, no.
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I was actually going to go into the same spot with like, this guy can't be your first episode.
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He's too big.
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He's too big for your first episode.
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You are doing that because you're front-loading bombast because you're afraid people are bored
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already.
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I think it's possible.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, this piece of shit, motherfucker.
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Right?
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What does this guy do?
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I'm a former FBI agent.
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All right.
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So you're reliable.
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This motherfucker is a coward for not blowing up the Twin Towers.
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I'm sorry?
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Yeah.
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That's your pitch?
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Yeah.
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He's large.
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He's a lot of personality.
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He's too much.
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Yeah.
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I just, I think this sucks.
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And I also think that there's another issue that I experienced while preparing this.
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And that is, I felt like, who cares?
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In Tucker's audience, why would they care about the CIA was trying to flip some hijackers
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and it went wrong?
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Who cares?
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There's demons.
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This is 20-something years ago and Trump has taken over the government.
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Whatever problems that you had with Paul Wolfowitz or Cheney, whatever, who cares?
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That is done.
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Right?
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I mean, does anybody, before you made this, does anybody in the audience wholly believe
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that 9-11 wasn't an inside job?
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Probably not.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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In some form or fashion.
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What was probably true of more people than anybody wanted to admit is that after 9-11,
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in some form or fashion, everybody was like, well, they're not telling us the full truth.
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That's just the reality of it.
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Right?
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And that umbrella can contain a lot of different things.
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Somebody might just be hiding the fact that they were kind of an asshole or kind of an
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idiot or covering up that they fucked up.
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Or profited in some way that they feel guilty about.
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Absolutely.
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That doesn't mean that they planned it or whatever.
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Nope.
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All kinds of things.
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Everything went wrong because the Twin Towers fell.
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That was where everything went wrong.
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I think that beyond just how many people in Tucker's audience aren't the choir being preached
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to, that's one element of it.
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And then the other is the audience that he's been trying to attract with this religious
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fundamentalism and demons and antisemitism and all this shit.
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Are they going to care at all unless you say it was the Jews?
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I have a question for you.
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And I'll throw this out as a possibility.
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If we're starting from the premise of the initial motivation for this whole conspiracy
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is the government is trying to keep you safe.
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These people are in good faith attempting to create sources within all of the terrorism
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groups in the world.
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Presumably well-intentioned, misguided, poorly executed law enforcement.
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Now if your audience is already of the mind that the government was in on it purposefully
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to harm people.
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It does almost make this seem like you're covering.
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Now we're in a time where the people that Tucker wants, or Tucker's audience, Tucker
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wants them to trust the government as opposed to distrust the government as a whole.
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Are we actually talking about Tucker not trying to remove and wear Alex's skin, but to suck
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out every meaningful bit of it and turn it into 9-11 conspiracy theories are actually
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about how the government is trying really hard and the people in the past were bad guys.
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Hmm.
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Yeah, maybe.
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Yeah, I mean, it definitely, you know, I don't know, but it is an interesting thought.
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This is coming from a place of like far more belief in the state than the conspiracy theories
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of 20 years ago.
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The state is your daddy now.
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Yeah, whereas Alex would yell about democide and like how the state is responsible for
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more death than anything ever.
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Right, right.
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So this now is the new 9-11 where daddy is trying to keep you safe, but you know what?
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Daddy makes mistakes.
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Don't get too mad.
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Right, and maybe uncle is weird.
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Yeah.
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Maybe uncle John Brennan was off on a...
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You know.
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The enemies of our current dad who were around back then.
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Right, absolutely.
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They did bad stuff.
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Right?
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Oh my God.
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These are children.
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Yeah, I do think that, you know, without like going into all the other episodes, like this
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does seem to be launching off in a direction that is more like, you know what?
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9-11 happened because of like big mistakes, but mistakes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nobody was trying to hurt you.
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And then the cover up...
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Except for the terrorists, of course.
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And all brown people.
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The cover up then is just covering up that we could have stopped it if we weren't singularly
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focused on trying to get informants.
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We had a bad law enforcement strategy.
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Yep.
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Yeah, that is interesting.
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I don't know.
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That might be more interesting than the thing itself.
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Yeah, I mean, probably projecting that theory onto the making of it is far more interesting
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than them going like, let's just do what Alex did.
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Yeah, and it's not even what Alex did because it's pretty boring, hollow, and it's out of
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touch with what's important right now.
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Yeah.
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Like this could not be more irrelevant, I feel.
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Like, I don't know if like him interviewing Nick Fuentes after these came out or like
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Chaney dying.
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I don't know what makes it irrelevant, but this feels fucking dead in the water.
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Yeah.
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Like he did this five part series and I don't think anyone cares.
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I mean, yeah, I don't know.
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I would say that probably if you were ever going to find the linchpin of our era, it
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would be 9-11.
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And it's so...
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What has happened due to it, the sequence of events is so irreparable and mind boggling
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that it's... like if in the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones was
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just run over by that ball and then the movie ended.
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Like, that would just be it.
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Like that's how huge this is.
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Yeah.
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Eh.
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And now, here we are.
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Yep.
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Anyway, I don't think I'm going to watch the rest of these and I don't think we're going
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to talk about them because he gives a shit.
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That's fair.
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Um, but we will get back to Alex and see what he's up to without his watches.
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I hope on his episode he says something about how he misses his watches.
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He misses two very specific watches.
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Holy shit.
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I did Google them and they're worth a bit more than I thought they were, so I feel very
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uncomfortable now.
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But, eh, we'll be back and check in on his watchless ass.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo yeah, woo yeah, woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
