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damn and jordan i am sweating

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i have great respect for knowledgefight

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saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.

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Andy and chances you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

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Hello Alex. I'm a 16th caller and I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Knowledge Fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I'd like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today buddy?

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My bright spot is my parents were in town for the weekend and we had a nice time.

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On Saturday we went to a Bigfoot Beach State Park in Wisconsin. Notoriously where Bigfoot has been found in the past.

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Well no. Well look. This is all second or third hand. I'm not sure. This is what my dad I think was reading in a brochure.

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It has nothing to do with Squatch. I have no idea. It has to do with like a chief who maybe some white guy thought was named Bigfoot.

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That makes a lot more sense. Yeah. Yeah that makes way more sense. Yep. I should have just assumed racism. Why didn't I do that?

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I really really thought it was Sasquatch and the image of Sasquatch Beach State Park sounded so funny in my head.

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How could that not be great Sasquatch on the beach? Yeah. Trunks. The cooler. Of course.

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It was fine. It's a lovely little park. Whatever. Some kids playing baseball. Some people grilling and camping. It really gave me a charge.

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But we weren't staying the night or anything. But yeah. It was great. Getting out in nature. Having a good time.

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Nice. What about you? What's your bright spot? My bright spot is rediscovering this band. Stop me if you are already into this genre and really familiar with it.

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Tennis? Nope. Oh. That is a band. No I know. That is a band. No. You ever hear a lot of Australian instrumental rock?

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Like the Didgeridoo? No. So Dirty Three is this... I don't know what to describe it to you as other than incredibly sad music for very specific music nerds.

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Who are also Australian? No. Just anywhere. Yeah. Weirdly enough. I don't think they're huge in Australia. Did you say Australia? Yes.

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Okay. Because you just made me think I imagined them. No. I think I may have imagined them.

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So there's one thing about them that I particularly enjoy. Which is that the violin we think of often times in the Vivaldi way is a very sweet, high pitched, very beautiful note.

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But if you tune it down low and you kind of use a real kind of scruffed up bow. Sure. You can get a really dark sound.

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Like this music sounds like if you walked into a saloon a ghost cowboy is listening to it. Like yeah. Alright. Here we go.

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It's haunted with a whiskey back. Yeah. And that violin sound. It's just like that fiddle. You know. It's that primordial. This is before violins were good.

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This is dark. This is deep. This is what's in your heart you old man. Like that's beautiful. This instrument is bad. It is. I love it so much. It's bad news.

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Oh god. Yeah. It's great. Well that's actually sold me. Yeah. It sounds interesting. It's really good. I love it. Nice. Yep.

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So today something that is also shitty. Yeah. Much like that violin is we have an episode to go over. Oh shit.

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And we're going to go a little bit off the beaten path. But it's also still sort of on the beaten path. Okay.

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And we'll talk about that here in a second. But first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new Wongs. Oh that's a great idea.

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So first my dog Pickles for always keeping it real and helping me plot my world takeover on these early 3am knowledge fight listen sessions. Thank you so much. You're now a policy Wong.

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I'm a policy Wong. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next what's your take on Enya? Best artist of our generation or best artist of our lifetime?

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Also I love my wife Lily and I might have pooped my pants at work. Derek Woods read my name god damn it. Thank you so much. You're now a policy Wong.

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I'm a policy Wong. Thank you very much. I would never have put his full name out there but he literally said read my name god damn it.

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Yeah I would have respected privacy but then hey what are you going to do? I got yelled at. It's a demand. Yeah. Also I like Enya. Yeah. Yeah. Great.

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To Bill. Sorry but not sorry for the twice weekly 7am today on knowledge fight texts from the treadmill. Thank you so much. You're now a policy Wong.

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I'm a policy Wong. Thank you very much. Thank you and we got a second credit mix Jordan. So thank you so much to my wonderful wife Alex. Thanks for joining my knowledge fight i5 commute obsession.

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Love you. Dan please play the little breaky drop because I think my wife will find it hilarious. Shit. I still don't remember which one it is. I still don't remember which one.

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50 50 shot. I'm a policy Wong. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. I'm just going to take a little breaky now. A little breaky for me and then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over.

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But I'm the devil. I got to be taking all the air off. You know all this. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again.

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. Nope. Nope. It won't be. But we won't know. Because on our last episode Jordan I made a promise.

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And by that I mean I stray mentioned that I might look for something fun to do today. And so I did. I didn't want to just cover Alex's boring response and continuing hysteria around Charlie Kirk.

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And so I was like let's see what Jim Bakker's been up to. And so I found an episode where a lady escaped from hell. Yes. And I was so close. I was like this could be great. Are you kidding me? But then I watched it and it turns out all she did was run.

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What? That's it? She found herself in hell. There was a giant skull. She started running and before she knew it she was back in her body running. God damn it woman. Fucking zhuzh it up a little bit. If that is true, which of course it's not, why even bother telling it without shit anyway?

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Well because she was talking about how she did a lot of drugs and maybe that is what she experienced or something. I'll give her a pass on seeing a skull and imagining something. The courts of heaven guy. That guy commits. He's not just going to run. He's going to build a whole backstory. He's going to do some parkour. The man is going to get out.

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And when I have in front of me the title I escape from hell or whatever and five minutes into the episode I'm bored by how you escape from hell. Bad sign. That's not good. So I kept poking around a little bit. I was trying to find something other than Alex's show. And I saw that Owen Schroyer had reentered the fray.

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Oh no. And as much as I said that I didn't want to talk about him anymore I was drawn into watching his stream. There just hasn't been anyone that I can think of that's been in the situation that he's in. Other people have left Infowars in the past but not tried to continue being right wing media figures like Jakari Jackson. People have disappeared from Infowars but not on overtly hostile terms like a Paul Joseph Watson.

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Some people have left Infowars on hostile terms and wanted to continue in right wing media but they were dead in the water like David Knight. I can't think of anyone else who has the combination of attributes that Owen currently has. He wants to continue being a figure in this media space. He left Infowars in an ugly public spectacle and he isn't David Knight.

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I've seen a lot of things in my time covering the Infowars but this is actually new. Even if Owen himself isn't very compelling. I agree. And so a sick part of my brain needed to see where this is going. How he ends up playing this really weird hand that he's been dealt. Like there's an obvious way to do it. Which is destroy Alex. And eat from his bones.

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Here's the problem. I don't want to follow up with him because I strongly suspect no matter what it is he chooses to do I will say what you should be doing is something completely different you fucking idiot.

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Yeah and I think that might be where you end up at the conclusion of this episode. But on September 16th he released a stream titled The Elephants in the Room. And if I were guessing based on the title I would bet that this would be about Alex going off on him and accusing him of extortion and being a demon and being a snitch.

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The proverbial elephant in the room is that he left a media job of almost a decade and his former boss is burning him on air a ton.

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Regularly. Losing his shit. Constantly. And to the point where he's using the staff and Owen's old friends against him. It's crazy. What a great divorce.

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Maybe it's because Alex's coverage of the Kirk shooting was so distasteful that I wanted to put him in timeout. Or maybe I'm a messy bitch who lives for the drama and I wanted to see Owen hit Alex back.

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But for whatever reason I checked out this stream and it wasn't quite what I expected. But it did tell me a lot about how Owen is choosing to define himself in this new right wing media ecosystem.

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And I think it's worth reflecting on a little bit. Even if he does still suck. Spoiler alert this isn't going to be amazing.

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Yeah no I strongly suspect. Here's what I'll even go so far as to guess. I strongly suspect he has not understood what the phrase elephants in the room means and he is not talking about the actual literal elephant in the room.

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He's... no. It's infuriating. But he starts off as he has in past streams with a song that he's going to get sued for playing if he tries to monetize these episodes.

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Ladies and gentlemen Owen Schroyer live episode 116. The elephants in the room. The elephants in the room. This one's going to be pretty epic. But first. Brand new Limp Bizkit.

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Brand new Limp Bizkit. Still making great music. Almost as unbelievable of everything else that we're being told to believe. New Limp Bizkit as the audience gets live with us here. Enjoy.

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Look. I've been on record for a long time that Limp Bizkit is not as bad as people want them to be. Fred Durst was a little embarrassing and a lot of their humor doesn't stand the test of time. But I will argue that they are a better band than the punchline that most people remember them to be.

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I think Owen's being sincere here though. I think he does like Limp Bizkit. I agree 100%. It's a strange thing though because Limp Bizkit's been pretty clear that they don't like people like him. New Metal has an aesthetic that's very right wing coded. Mostly because of the right wing figures in the media. They like to pretend that they have a monopoly over things like masculinity, aggression, poverty, and being white.

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Underneath a lot of those surface level things, a lot of the time these figures are more progressive than they appear to be. For instance, after the 2016 RNC, Limp Bizkit's guitarist Wes Borland came out and directly told Trump fans to go fuck themselves and stop following him.

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Owen plays Limp Bizkit's new song, which is called Making Love to Morgan Wallen, a title he strangely never says. Weird.

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The first line of that song is Damn I Miss You Chester, which is a reference to Linkin Park's lead singer Chester Bennington who died of suicide in 2017.

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I love Linkin Park's first few albums, and if you could listen to their music and ever think they would like Owen Schroyer, you're insane.

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If you can't pick up on the subtext of their songs, Chester did tweet in 2015, quote,

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This is a remarkable song choice for Owen, because it reveals how shallow his analysis of everything around him is.

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He sees Fred Durst and assumes he's just a cool racist like Kid Rock, but he's the guy who directed the rearranged music video. Owen is one of the people watching Limp Bizkit get drowned in milk and he doesn't even realize it.

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He's metaphorically the people that they want to break their face.

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Yeah. No, I know. Owen could not, the moment he said it's new Limp Bizkit, he could not more be the guy he is. That is exactly what he should say.

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Yeah. Like Fred Durst's done interviews about how like, man, all the people that I would have hated are now dressed up like me at my concert.

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Yeah. And how surreal that is. Yeah. And that's Owen.

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Yeah, I can't, what is it? What was it? The throbbing gristle who deliberately dressed like Nazis is like the inverse of that.

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Like people, if you do stuff like that, then they start dressing like you. So they dress like Nazis in order. It was very strange. It didn't make a lot of sense.

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I feel like now I don't want to get into Rammstein again, but didn't they, they had some weird like sort of aesthetics, but that might've just been like darker.

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Yeah. I think that was more like they were doing a thing. Yeah. You know?

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Yeah. I also was thinking about this, like Fred Durst was doing the red cap before Trump. Yep.

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He's got to feel pissed off about that. He's lost a lot of money to the Trump caps.

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Yeah. And yet somehow he's still kept rolling, rolling, rolling.

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Yep. Yep. I made that joke on the last episode. I know we're going to keep doing it forever. You stole it.

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So he comes back from the Limp Bizkit and there's big news at the Owen stream.

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All right. Brand new Limp Bizkit tonight. How about that? I hadn't heard that either. We're both hearing it together for the first time. I thoroughly enjoyed that.

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Owen Schroyer Live episode 116, the elephants in the room coming to you as always through the Owen.gold microphone to become a member of the club at Owen.gold, the only membership that pays you back in gold.

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All right. We're going to address the elephants in the room tonight.

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So it looks like Owen's plan to get sponsors for all the little aspects of his show is well underway with his microphone having its own sponsor.

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Owen.gold is bringing you this microphone, which is incidentally the same microphone that he was using last time. Isn't that crazy?

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Owen.gold takes you to a webpage for a company called Wolfpack.gold, which is unsurprisingly a gold sales operation.

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Wolfpack.gold is an online precious metals and Bitcoin shop, which is owned by another company called Wise Wolf, which is a precious metals physical store with locations in Branson, Missouri and Denison, Texas.

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I think that gold companies are kind of inherently sketchy, but when they have multiple similar aliases, that should be a big red flag.

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So Wolfpack.gold offers nine levels of membership.

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Already out.

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Ranging from the lowly $35 a month wolf cub all the way up to zen wolf.

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$35 a month for what?

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Gold.

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Oh my God.

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You know how much zen wolf is? They don't tell you.

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$1200.

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It's starting at 2000 a month.

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Get the fuck out of here. You guys are thieves.

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That's the floor.

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My God.

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So each membership level has a different rarity of coins or metals that you get sent each month, which is almost like printing money.

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As long as you never give members more value than the membership costs, it's a perfect way to make a scammy business even shadier.

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That's the scammiest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

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Yeah.

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You give us an actual value and we will give you a possible value.

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Now, if you understand capitalism, guess where we make money?

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In that possibility.

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In that possible range.

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Yeah, because if you're, you know, you're paying 10 bucks for something, you give, you get 35 from somebody for, you're making 25.

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How do you not understand that that is a scam immediately?

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Yeah, it's so perfect.

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What an asshole.

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Oh my God.

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So the privacy notice on wolfpack.gold's website informs people who go to it that the company is run by an entity called Wise Wolf Digital Strategies LLC, aka Wise Wolf Bitcoin.

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This is an operation run by a guy named Tony Arterburn Jr., a long time cryptocurrency promoter who's from Rockwall, Texas, the same Dallas suburb where Alex grew up.

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That sounds right.

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Tony Arterburn Sr.'s name appears on a ton of filing documents with the Secretary of State of Texas for what appear to be gas stations and check cashing places.

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Whereas most of Jr.'s businesses appear to be like in the crypto field.

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This is a fucking family business. Stealing money from regular people.

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I think it goes deeper than this, but I just couldn't quite pull the thread.

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Yeah, you think they're full on mobbed up kind of level?

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No, I don't think so, but I think there's a weird family thing going on.

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Alright, alright, alright.

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I couldn't figure out the relationship, but I think that they're related to Stephen Arterburn, who's the founder of New Life Ministries, one of the most profitable Christian organizations in the world.

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They have the same last name, and Stephen's from Ranger, Texas, which is also just outside Dallas, which makes me think that they're probably related.

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Could be.

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But I'm not totally sure. I couldn't get to the bottom of this.

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Stephen wrote a book. Tony Sr. I think would be the age to be Stephen's brother.

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And he wrote a book about how his brother died of AIDS in 1988.

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And he has another brother, but I can't find his name.

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Right. Oh man.

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And everything, all the interviews, the only information I could find about the third Arberturd.

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Arterburn.

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Arterburn.

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Arterburn.

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Brother is that he was also gay.

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Okay.

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And I think that it's not Tony Jr.'s death.

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Right. It could be cousins.

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But it's possible. I don't know.

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Sure. No, anything is possible.

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Anyway, Arterburn.

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With the Arterburns.

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It's too uncommon of a name, I think.

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I mean, of all the things to share, and then to also be scammers, it feels like genetically there's some sort of connection there.

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So either Owen's microphone sponsor is one of the most influential Christian families in the country, or he's a crypto enthusiast who has the same last name.

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Either way, bad investment, but perfect scam.

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Time out of time.

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I mean, it's just amazing. It really is amazing that you can do it.

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I just, you know, I feel like at a certain point, we were making movies about con people that took pride in their work.

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You know? Like not, this is just like trap fishing.

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Yeah.

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This is just putting a line out and waiting until you've got fish.

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It's a smash and grab.

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Yeah. This is not the cultivating a long-term relationship only to pull the rug at the very final second.

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Yeah. And you know, there's a Buck 65. He's a Canadian rapper. There's a song called Craftsmanship.

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Yeah.

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Where he's just talking about the process of shining a shoe.

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You know?

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And you know, they don't do it like they used to.

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You gotta take pride in your work no matter what that work may be.

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Yeah.

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It's selling gold. You gotta do better than this.

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You gotta.

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But it's such an interesting thing where it's like, okay, he's learned from Alex.

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Like this is him mirroring Alex's behavior.

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Yeah.

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But also doing a version of it that is so transparently a scam.

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Yeah.

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That like, I feel like Alex wouldn't do this.

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I mean.

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Maybe earlier on.

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At the very least, he would be less like a straight up radio man about it.

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You know, Alex would try and find a way to put it into a different context of like, here's a thing that is happening.

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This is also my sponsor as opposed to I'm talking into this microphone sponsored by scams.

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Yeah. He would desperately try to make sure you knew it was in your best interest.

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Yes.

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Where someone's like the gold membership that pays you back in gold.

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Fuck off.

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Oh, it sounds too good to be true.

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I just can't.

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I'm proud of him.

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So this, the elephants are in the room.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, what fucking elephants?

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Are you going to get into this?

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Are you going to talk shit on Alex or what?

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Right.

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Step up.

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Instead, he starts talking about Charlie Kirk.

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God damn it.

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And how he's dead.

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You know, this story has obviously gone in many different directions.

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It's captivated the political world for obvious reasons.

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And I think now it's going to force this entire movement to confront the elephants in the room.

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And that's what we're going to talk about tonight.

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We're going to talk about the elephants in the room because what I see coming is, let's call it a come to Jesus moment.

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No, no pun intended, but I think that's what we're staring down.

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So in case you're curious, the elephants in the room are like Jewish people and they're being a Zionist occupied government.

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Of course it is.

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Owen's going to try to play some anti-games and pretend that he's criticizing the Israeli government or Zionism,

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but there's a reason that he feels the need to call out the come to Jesus pun aspect of this because it's about Judaism.

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Oh, okay.

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So now I get where it's a pun.

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Yeah.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I should have assumed that's an anti-Semitic pun.

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See, I didn't get that.

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That's the elephant in the room.

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That's what I didn't know that you could just do like loose anti-Semitic puns from a distance.

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You can.

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No, no.

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Owen, when you got a gold, he got that gold.

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So, um, I think that Owen has an interesting level of insight into the community that he's a part of.

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Oh, yeah.

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Although I don't think he's processing it well.

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Everything we're going through here, everything we've been through together, all the moments that have led to this all seem to be building up to where we're about to be.

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And this moment that we're about to have all of us together is going to be the big come to Jesus moment.

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And I think everything after that tells us where we're really at.

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And sometimes, you know, maybe you feel this way about this one story or that one story or one person does or a couple.

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This one, everybody seems to be kind of on the same frequency, on the same vibe.

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Now, things might be going different directions, but everybody kind of feels this.

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Everybody kind of feels that we're about to have this moment together.

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And it's going to be the most telling moment of where we're really at politically and where we're really at with this Trump administration.

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That moment is now directly in front of us.

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And the Kirk assassination has forced us now all into the room together.

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And there are elephants in the room.

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There are elephants in the room, ladies and gentlemen.

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Bawaar! King of the elephants right over there.

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So Owen, I think, is more or less right about what he's describing here.

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Sure.

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The MAGA movement has to decide whether it's the fourth Reich or not.

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And pretty much everyone in his media space gets that they've fucked up the game and they're going to be forced to show their cards.

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On a basic level, the Patriot nationalist movement that Owen is describing, it's a mutation that grew out of two ideologies.

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One, the South should have won the Civil War.

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And two, communism is the greatest evil in the world.

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The natural combination of these two strains gets found in the belief that the civil rights movement was a secret communist plot to overthrow Christianity.

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And, you know, when these come together, good things happen.

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There you go. Yeah!

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Peanut butter and chocolate come together.

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Absolutely.

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Their whole view is based on being mad when society comes together to agree to stop beating up particular groups of people for being different, which is why their big tent includes so many racists and Nazis.

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Whether or not they agree on everything, they have basic causes in common, like maintaining what they believe is the natural social hierarchy.

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At a certain point, it became poor form to express their views publicly because they sucked, and the basic point that they were trying to make was something that our culture had already rejected.

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They couldn't push their ideas about racial supremacy without risking being beaten up or ostracized from polite society, so they adapted.

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They used codes that allowed them to communicate their bigot ideas while appearing to be saying something more socially acceptable, so they could have their cake and eat it too.

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They didn't realize that they were sitting in a boat on a calm lake, where they got to signal to racists and energize their audience with direct appeals to racist shit while pretending that they were talking about politics,

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because that lake was artificially propped up by the dam that is political correctness.

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Right.

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In their zeal to tear down all the annoying aspects of PC culture, they didn't realize that if everyone can just speak freely, then no one will buy their half-assed racism anymore.

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In the past, it was completely plausible to think that someone like Alex was secretly talking about the Jews when he said globalists, but he knew that if he spoke freely, he'd be taken off air.

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But now? It's pretty clear you can say whatever the fuck you want, and no one's gonna stop you.

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If you insult Trump in a way that pisses him off personally, you might be in trouble, but no one can possibly believe that anyone is holding their tongue out of fear of being called a racist anymore.

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Like, that's insane.

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Yeah.

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So that environment requires facing some elephants in the room.

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The time is fast approaching when these guys are gonna have to put up or shut up, and I think Owen realizes that.

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And if he reads the comments on his videos, then he also realizes that when that moment of truth comes, he's gonna have to go Nazi to keep an audience.

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Yeah.

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Like, there's not enough people who are wanting the code.

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Well, I mean, that's what I don't understand.

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I understand why he's doing this, because this is the classic mistake that people like him make every single time.

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Okay, I just fucked up and lost this thing.

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I'll just go recreate the same thing somewhere else.

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Nobody wants that.

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Nobody wanted it at the thing that you were at, but you were propped up by that thing, by Alex, right?

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But now you're actually free.

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Part of the reason that you were mad at the old place was because you weren't allowed to do or say that, you know, don't do this shit.

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Do something different.

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Evolve, change, grow.

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But, I mean, if you're a Nazi, you can't really do that.

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Not really.

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Everything's backward facing.

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It is.

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Everything is trying to claw back, like, things that you perceive as losses of your power.

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Yeah.

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There is no real experimental growing.

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That's why his show would be called The Owen Report.

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Right.

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And you have a roast segment sponsored by a coffee brand.

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Right.

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Like, he's not creative.

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No, I mean, the entire philosophy is based on what is mine I shouldn't have to go get, because it's already supposed to be mine.

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Yeah.

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Right? So, yeah.

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And I think that there's this really bizarre tone that he strikes, which is, like, I think he reads this correctly.

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In terms of, like, his media space, their game, like, there's a hole in the boat.

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Right.

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It's sinking.

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Right, right, right.

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They need to do something.

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Yeah.

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And I think that he's misdiagnosed this as, like, I can just use a little bit further code.

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Yeah.

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I don't have to go all the way.

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Right.

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I can just be a little bit edgier.

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I'll be like the reverse Lincoln project.

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Mm-hmm.

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I'll be like the conservatives who are, like, a little bit liberal, so they get a free pass, I guess? I have no idea.

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Yeah, I think he wants that and doesn't realize that, like, no, no, no, the point of the hole in the boat is that, like, you don't have supplies to patch it up.

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Yeah.

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It's not gonna work.

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Yeah, he has the, like, survival instinct of working at Infowars for a long time, but he doesn't have the ability to think through what is actually happening.

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He just knows, like, there's a tingle on the back of my neck, something's up, that kind of thing.

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Yeah, yeah, and there's almost, like, an analytical ability, but then a complete absence of any, like, wherewithal.

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Right.

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Like, Alex has always been the locomotive, the engine, you know?

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Right, right, right, right.

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And Alex, because Alex was never a true believer, was always able to, you know, like, maybe I'm not supposed to do this, but here's where I go,

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and now I'm making a lot of money.

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Let's get back to those true believer ideas a little bit later in this episode.

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So, there's elephants in the room.

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Sure.

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Pachyderms.

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Okay.

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And Owen starts to talk about some of these elephants.

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Alright.

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And now, because of the Kirk assassination, we're all put into the room together, and we have to confront these elephants.

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So how can they be ignored?

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They can't anymore.

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The elephants in the room.

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You've got the Iran-Israel war.

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The Iran strikes.

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You've got the continued war in the Middle East.

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And you've got Israel bombing at least seven countries this year alone.

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I think it might have just gone up to eight, actually.

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You've got the Ukraine-Russia war continuing.

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And you've got the United States still involved in every single one of these things.

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Every single one of these things the United States of America is still involved in.

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And this is not what we voted for.

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This is not what we want.

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Owen is making it seem like the elephant in the room is that the GOP is eager for war, which is a fair point, I guess.

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It's absolutely what they voted for, though.

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Like, these dipshits wanted him to take over Canada and the moon.

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Yeah.

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That's not an elephant in the room.

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Tons of people are criticizing the Trump administration for being too hawkish.

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And even in right-wing media circles, that's not an edgy position.

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This isn't the point that Owen is making.

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This is preamble.

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This is laying track for what the elephant in the room is.

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Right, right, right.

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The specific regions that we're talking about.

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Why is America in those specific areas probably from somebody else's influence and blah blah blah blah blah.

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And if those somebody else's happen to have two-way citizenship, blah blah blah blah blah.

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And if we start to, like, net more elephants, maybe patterns emerge.

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Yeah.

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So the continued war, the continued funding of war.

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This is an elephant in the room.

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This is an elephant in the room.

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You've got the MAGA movement.

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The MAGA culture, the MAGA media, the MAGA politics.

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It has now been co-opted by Never Trumpers and Israeli loyalists.

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That's a fact.

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What makes an Israeli loyalist?

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Semitic speech gets more direct access and heartfelt welcoming to the White House than a Purple Heart veteran that was persecuted for January 6th and spent years in jail.

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That's a fact.

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Well, I mean, you dumb shits tried to overthrow the country for the guy.

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Like, why would he want to hang out with you?

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Do you think that if you fight a war, then you get one get-out-of-jail-free card?

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Yeah.

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Is that how it works?

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Sure.

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Unless you're a dem.

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I mean, is that, should that be how it works?

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Like, if you fight, if you get a Purple Heart, you can commit one overthrowing a government.

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No.

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No?

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No.

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You don't think so?

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It can't be one-to-one.

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I believe he's advocating for some level of that.

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It's a weird system that he wants to have, like, credits.

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It would be credits.

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It would be credits.

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It would be a credit system for overthrowing governments.

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So, as Owen goes through the elephants that he sees in the room, you start to see a little

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bit of a thread emerge.

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He's just saying that Israel runs our government, which is the same thing that the extreme right-wing

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has been saying the whole time he's been alive.

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When he was just a baby, the Aryan Nations people were yelling about a Zog, and Alex

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was running around suggesting they say globalists and making a buck off it.

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He's trying to be both.

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Yeah.

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Motherfuckers, I was reading that Nick Fuentes New York Times piece, and you know what I

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was thinking?

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David Duke was in the New York Times first.

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We've been doing this for a long time.

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Yeah, there's nothing really new about the attempt that Owen is clearly, like, the line

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he's trying to walk.

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And it's just, I don't know.

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It's uninspiring.

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But there's more elephants.

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I mean, really, the ironic part of this, of course, is that because Owen is Owen, there

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are really only two elephants in the room, Epstein and Alex, and he's probably not going

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to talk about either of them, is he?

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Well, actually, you know what?

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I mean, I think it's not in-depth talk about Epstein, but he is very clear that Trump fucked

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us on that.

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Yep.

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And so that's not even a question.

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Yeah.

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So he's pretty clear about that.

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I think he even says Trump broke up with us over that, so we're done.

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Good.

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Good for him.

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So I'm not forcing him to wear Trump forever into the future.

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Fair enough.

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But he can't undo everything he's done up till this point.

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That is kind of the idea.

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But these elephants.

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Elon, kind of an elephant.

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Okay.

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Elephant adjacent.

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Okay.

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You've got the fallout with Elon Musk and Doge.

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Where's that going?

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Throw in the audit of the gold at Fort Knox if you want.

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What happened to Doge?

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What happened with Elon Musk?

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What happened there?

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That's an elephant in the room.

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And when you've got Netanyahu's campaign manager, Suzy Wiles, now running the White House, all

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of these things tie together.

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That's an elephant in the room.

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Suzy Wiles, one of Nick Fuentes, he popularized her as a target of why there's infiltration

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in the White House.

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She's the chief of staff.

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Right.

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And so he's just coasting on that.

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That kind of momentum of blaming her for why the deep state is there.

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Wild.

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And so, I mean, it's just more of the same.

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Like, pathologically incapable of taking responsibility for their actions or beliefs or anything.

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Isn't that, it's wild how stridently they are.

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Unstridently they are unwilling to take responsibility for the things they shout about all day every

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day.

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Or reflect.

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Why would you?

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That is how you get killed.

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Yeah.

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But it's so weird because there is the tiniest little bit of reflection.

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Yeah.

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And Owen is manifesting that.

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Right.

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The elementary school version of reflection where he's like, wait, wait, wait.

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There's no arrests happening.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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What's going on?

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I thought we were playing a game, guys.

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Oh, God.

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Where are the deep state arrests?

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Where are the deep state arrests?

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Don't look at me like that.

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Don't look at me like that.

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I can't see you.

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You're talking to me?

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I thought we were all in agreement here.

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I thought we were all in agreement that the 2020 election was stolen.

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I thought we were all in agreement that COVID was a weapon.

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I thought we were all in agreement that January 6th was a setup.

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I thought we were all in agreement that the Russian collusion hoax was a crime against

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this country.

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I thought we were all in agreement that the Obama administration illegally spied on Trump

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and other Americans.

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I thought we were all in agreement here.

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I thought we were all in agreement that the Biden administration just allowed, facilitated,

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funded, led the way for an invasion of our country, the biggest land invasion in the

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history of the world, a permanent damage done to our country.

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I thought we were all in agreement that that happened.

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You can't convince me that Owen worked at Infowars for almost a decade and thought they

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were taking this stuff seriously.

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Sure, they all say they believe that dumb shit, but unless it's important to what's

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going on today, who cares?

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Biden did a land invasion of the United States, but the anti-trans hysteria is what's getting

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the audience excited right now, so that's when Alex's coverage is going to be.

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Owen is stupid, but I find it really hard to believe he could be this stupid.

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If he is, that's dangerous levels of dumb.

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I mean, I think he can be.

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I think if you are, in the same way that if Alex has been enabled so completely, in

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such a way that you can see him behaving like this and will never stop behaving like this,

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I think Owen has been enabled insofar as nobody's challenged him on how stupid he is.

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Why would you?

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Yeah, I mean, that's fair.

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It's been a long time since there has been a grindstone to sharpen anything.

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Right?

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Here's how I would put it.

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If he's that dumb, he thinks that that gold is a good deal.

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That's how dumb he has to be.

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Listen, I'm not ruling out the possibility that he does think that that gold is a good deal.

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Man, that's bleak.

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Listen, I don't have any respect for Alex Trebek.

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Yeah, it's hard for me to pretend I do either.

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But he's talking about this like I thought we were all serious.

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That's what I'm hearing.

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Yeah.

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And it sounds genuine.

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Nah, it sounds at least like the performance of genuine.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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It's hard to tell exactly.

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Right, right, right, right.

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But one way or another, he's going to learn the hard way that there's a reason that Alex

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does what he does.

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Actually, there's two reasons.

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One is that it's necessary in order to keep the show exciting and feel like the end of

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the world is constantly happening, which is the only way to push sales.

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Alex's show was the profit driver of Infowars because he didn't let yesterday's land invasion

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get in the way of today's panic.

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The second thing is that if Owen tries to impose continuity on his narratives, everything

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is going to fall apart.

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Nothing in this world makes any sense if the past exists, and if you try to make the past

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mean anything, it means that you have to learn in the future.

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Whatever amazing revelation you had today has to be part of your knowledge base tomorrow,

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so you have to build from there, and that's fucking impossible if you're trying to play

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these dumb games.

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Yeah.

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Alex's strategy, which Owen is insulting, is the perfect fix for both of these problems

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with sensationalist bullshit propaganda, and Owen's going to find out that without it,

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his show is going to be boring and unprofitable.

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Yeah.

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It's just, it's like doing something without spice.

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No, it sounds like he's, it sounds like he's actually like, you know what?

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I think people want a dry new show, like from-

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I'm America's anchor.

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Yeah, like he just, I don't think he understands the space.

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I think he's been given-

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But that's the problem.

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He's showing insight.

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Right, but I mean, but that's the thing.

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He understands, it is like, it's like an AR game, right?

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Like overlaid on top of reality is all of his bullshit, on top of all of the total bullshit

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from the right wing that he's supposed to believe, on top of all of this stuff.

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But once you strip away the layers and all that stuff, he's got nothing.

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Yeah, yeah, that may be.

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I wonder like how long it'll take, like for it to become clear that like,

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this is not a market that has a lot of interest.

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And you're going to just constantly be losing people out of boredom.

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I wonder if he's going to be able to, or I wonder if he's going to try and adapt in a terrible way.

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Like the news radio episode of Real Deal with Bill McNeil, right?

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Where they're just going around like-

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It's Chuck D in there.

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We can't do anything, so let's just edit Seinfeld together and make it sound, you know,

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just let's make up anything to be sensational.

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Because if we do what we say we want to do, it's going to be a failure.

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I think it will be a strategy that's considered.

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Yeah, it has to be.

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So there's a free speech crackdown going on.

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Sure.

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That's another elephant, baby.

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You've got now the crackdown on free speech intensified with some of the latest things that Pam Bondi has said.

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We're going to have that clip for you.

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The crackdown on free speech now from this administration?

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That's an elephant in the room.

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And then the Epstein files cover up, which continues, by the way, continues to this day.

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Fact happened last week, happened again this week, probably going to happen again tomorrow.

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The continuation of the Epstein files cover up.

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Now I won't even get into that because that's its own story with new developments that doesn't make any sense.

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You're covering it up?

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It makes perfect sense.

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The Epstein files cover up is an elephant in the room.

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So all these elephants have been in the room, but we've never really been forced into the same room together yet.

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Everybody's kind of been off doing their own thing.

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Some people in the honeymoon phase, some people growing a little sour, a little bitter, some people turning completely.

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Some people kind of floating around, grifting off what remains of MAGA.

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Some people trying to co-opt it or bring it back together.

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Some people focusing on midterms.

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We've all just kind of been, yeah, okay, we won.

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Now we're kind of all doing our own little things and sometimes converging.

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But kind of everybody's spread across the map.

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But now, after the Charlie Kirk assassination, we're all in the room together.

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Here we all are here.

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By the way, just like a funeral, which is coming up.

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I think that's a little passive aggressive.

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Maybe.

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But in order for me to make the point that I want to make about these elephants and what he's talking about,

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I need to jump ahead a little bit later in the show to when Owen actually plays this clip of Pam Bondi and we get his response to it.

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You're supposed to be draining the swamp, arresting the deep state criminals.

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Instead, you're pushing to criminalize speech.

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Targeting anyone with hate speech, anything.

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And that's across the aisle.

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I mean, look what happened. Think about Josh Shapiro.

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What happened to Governor Shapiro? I talked to Josh multiple times.

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Democrat, governor, Jewish.

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They firebombed his house while his wife and children were sleeping upstairs.

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It's a miracle.

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Nothing worse happened to, it's a miracle that nothing happened to Josh and he and his family are safe.

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They're traumatized, but that's what's happened in this world.

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And we are going to fight every step of the way to show that you will face the most severe consequences if you come after someone.

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And you target someone for their political views or for any reason at all.

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Wait. We will come after you for speech.

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And of course, what is it all about?

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Oh, it's all about anti-Semitism, of course.

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We're sick of it, man. We're sick of it.

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We're sick of it, man.

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I mean, I assume that that wrecked burning ash of a building is pretty sick of it too.

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Yeah, he's not sick of people being anti-Semitic. He's sick of people complaining about things that are anti-Semitic.

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Isn't that funny?

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It is weird.

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So the reason this is particularly important is because it helps make clear that what connects these elephants he's complaining about is that they remind him of Jewish people he doesn't like.

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Not that they're connected to a criticism of Israel.

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No.

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The cover-up of the Epstein stuff could just be like Mossad and Israeli intelligence, but this complaint about Bondi has nothing to do with Israel.

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In theory, it's about Trump's Attorney General using an anti-Semitic firebombing to encroach on free speech, which he should be against, but not this way.

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Right.

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Like, his problem should be different. He doesn't seem to understand how he's supposed to play the ball.

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Right.

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He's throwing to third when the play is at first.

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Yeah.

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I say this with no love or respect, but Owen's not slick enough to pull this kind of shit off. He just looks dumb.

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And I...

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It's like he just doesn't understand that there's one pathway available to him. And it goes in both directions. That's the thing about the path he's on. It can go in both directions.

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He could firebomb everything, including the right-wing media. Do all of that shit.

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Yeah. Jonathan Schroyer, sports guy.

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Absolutely. Go fucking hard.

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Yep.

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Burn all the bridges, get rid of all the secrets, and then maybe people will see you in a completely different light.

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Right? Or go the opposite direction. Go hard. Burn everything with Alex and InfoWars to the point of, like, somehow you're the top dog.

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Talk so much shit that he wants to sue you over your speech.

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Absolutely. Force him to take you to court.

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Yeah.

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And then he's the guy who's supposed to be the guy. Right?

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And simultaneously see if you can outdo Fuentes.

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Absolutely.

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Try and just make yourself the hardest thing there.

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Yep.

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And have the little feather in your cap of, like, fuck you, Alex.

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Right. In both cases, your only option if you're Owen is to be so strong.

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Yeah.

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So fucking hard in either direction that nobody can fuck with you.

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Yeah. And you can't do that with passive aggression.

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Nope.

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It's just... it's gonna...

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Yep.

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So Charlie Kirk got assassinated.

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Yeah.

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And this is the biggest elephant in the room.

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Right.

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And it's because it brings all the elephants to the room.

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Because big elephants attract elephants.

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Right.

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Or something.

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Okay.

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Anyway, this funeral is gonna be fucking full of elephants.

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Okay.

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So here we are all in the room together.

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All these elephants.

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And the funeral is coming up now.

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Now what's strange is they announced this and they made an X-Post.

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Turning Point USA made an X-Post tonight.

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This story came out on the 13th public memorial for Charlie Kirk to be held at State Farm Stadium.

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And then they announced tonight, Turning Point USA announced that Trump would be speaking,

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and Vance would be speaking, and Erica Kirk would be speaking, and then a ton of other huge names speaking.

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And then they actually erased the post.

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They erased the flyer.

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I don't know what that's about.

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That just happened right before I went live.

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But so now we're all gonna be in the same room for Kirk's memorial service.

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And now the biggest elephant in the room will be with us with all the other elephants, which is the Kirk assassination strangeness of the whole thing.

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And dare I even say cover up.

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Boo.

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That's now the biggest elephant in the room.

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And we've already got a lot of elephants in the room, folks.

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And now the biggest one just came in and now we're all about to be in the room together.

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Too many elephants.

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That's just not enough space.

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So Owen's trying to not so subtly suggest that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.

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All of these other elephants in the room are direct complaints about either Jewish people or Israel controlling the government.

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And then the last one is Charlie getting killed and it looks fishy to Owen.

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If he's trying to say anything other than Israel did it, he doesn't make sense.

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Yeah, it would just be poor writing in every possible way.

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And it's so clear that there's a preparation to this because he keeps saying, that's an elephant.

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We are heading directly to a point.

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This is going somewhere on purpose.

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So if you are at the end going somewhere else, you have failed.

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He gave the episode a title in advance.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But I think that he's right about this funeral idea and how they're stuck in the room with each other because of Kirk's death.

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Charlie Kirk was so successful that both sides of the far right want to own him and claim him as theirs.

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The racist Nazi types hated that he supported Israel but loved how he would talk about how whites were superior to other races.

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The more mainstream right wing, they're currently trying to sand down some of these racist edges, but even with all that,

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they love how he carried himself like a polite young man in a suit and he pretended to be college-aged so their views didn't look so archaic.

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He was great.

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He was a child.

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Love that little boy.

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Yep.

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But both sides, they want to own his legacy and they don't want to share.

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In life, Charlie was pretty successful at blurring the lines between these two factions,

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so there's a small irony that his death threatens to make a bunch of stuff that they disagree on way too explicit.

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Yeah.

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And that I think is what Owen's talking about.

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Yeah.

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It's like the funeral is going to force us to be around each other and we hate each other.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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In essence, he's correctly described all the different ways people are trying to strip mine Charlie Kirk.

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Everybody is doing their own version of this thing, but by doing so, they have once again removed all Charlie Kirk-ness.

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So in this memorial service that they're supposed to be Charlie Kirking about, they all have to confront the fact that they've made up their own Charlie Kirks to bring with them to the funeral.

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Yeah.

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Like a Superman comic.

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And they desperately need Trump to validate their version of Charlie.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Or else they have to be like, fucking hell.

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Trump's not on my side.

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It would be more interesting if this was done in a reality show like The Apprentice, where they've got eight different Charlie Kirk ghosts and Trump has to choose which one everybody's going to go with.

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At least then everybody would have a concept to go with instead of having to try and advocate for their own and then sound like lunatics.

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You're fired.

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Exactly.

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Is that a good impression?

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That was a good Charlie Kirk impression.

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Don't talk to me like that.

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That's my own.

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That's your own?

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Don't talk to me like that.

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Don't look at me like that.

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That's what he said.

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Don't look at me like that.

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So the memorial service itself is really a catch-22 kind of situation for Trump.

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There's no win in this.

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Yeah.

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The Kirk memorial is September 23rd.

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We're all going to be in the room together.

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And this is going to be an interesting moment.

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This is a very confronting moment for everybody.

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And quite frankly, you know, I don't even know because I try to look at all the different angles and I try to take all the different perspectives.

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I don't even know what you do at this point if you're Trump.

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Honestly, because it's like if you don't show up, you look bad.

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But if you do show up and talk to people and don't address the elephants in the room, you also look bad.

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So I don't even know what you do in this moment.

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But you let the elephants in the room.

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And so now here we are.

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So it's unfortunate, but it's true that now this memorial for Charlie Kirk.

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And look, what we hope is the most important thing is that somehow his family, his friends, the Turning Point USA family, you know, the people that are suffering from this.

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His loved ones, the people that are actually suffering from this loss, that saw Charlie every day, his children.

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You know, the most important thing is for them to somehow get closure or have some sort of a moment in that moment where people are respecting Charlie and everybody there together.

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We're raising Charlie up and we're raising the family up and we're showing them how much Charlie meant to everybody and how much we love them and we're with them.

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And so you really that's what this is all about.

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But you don't and you aren't.

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So this is what you can count on America's Anchorman for. Keeping it classy. You know, remembering the family. You know, focusing on what it's about.

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It definitely doesn't seem on the top of his mind because this is like 20 minutes into his show, but it seems like he thinks he cares.

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I've got a really elegant solution for Owen's dumb dilemma that he finds himself in.

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Don't elect a president who feels the need to make appearances at big media events like a spectacle memorial service for a podcaster.

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His people could just say Trump wishes he could come, but there's important president stuff he needs to do. But no one would believe that.

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Yeah, because there's nothing he needs to do.

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No! He's always out golfing and shit. It would be disrespectful.

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I mean, here's the thing that I love about these people and that they'll never understand or maybe that they do understand, but they have to dedicate so much brain space to denying.

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But if you ask the question, what would Trump even do? Whatever the fuck he wants. You guys are dogs. If you bark, it doesn't matter. You'll heal when he calls. Shut up. Shut up, you whiny little babies.

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Yeah. Owen's barking a little differently, but it's not really...

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Don't care. Do not care.

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So yeah, I mean, Trump is kind of screwed because everyone knows that he loves attention and would always go to something like this.

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So if he doesn't go, then it's a middle finger to the Kirk people, turning point, a lot of people who very rightfully can claim that they really helped him get elected.

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But then if he goes and he doesn't like fucking tear down these mainstream right wing people and these fucking cowards, then the bigot side of the family is going to be pissed off. It's going to be a bad barbecue.

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Yeah.

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So Owen has accurately assessed a problem with the media ecosystem, which is basically that their code doesn't work anymore. But what he doesn't seem to understand is that he's lost.

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Turning point put out a list of confirmed speakers for this memorial, and it's a ton of Trump cabinet members, Trump's son and Tucker.

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Suzy Wiles is giving a speech and Owen just called her an elephant in the room.

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Yep.

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So I think he should recognize that he's not invited and she's a headline speaker.

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Yeah.

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We're recording this before the memorial, but I'm going to place a long shot bet that Tucker says something really weird.

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I feel like people keep forgetting how insane he is.

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Is that a long shot bet?

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Yeah.

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No, because I'm talking real weird.

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You think real weird?

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Yeah.

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You think, are we going with after life?

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Daddy's spanking you.

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Right.

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That kind of weird.

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Like after life, he's with us right now and he's given us some sort of weird hand job kind of thing.

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No, no, no, no.

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Okay.

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Man, I'd love it.

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I would love it if he started speaking as Charlie.

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You do not need to do a voice.

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Like, I sincerely believe that people just remember him being on TV TV and they forget, like, if he gets a hot mic in front of him, he's going to say something fucked up.

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He's gone off the deep end because he can't.

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He's so rich that he doesn't have to respect kayfabe and it does not matter to him.

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Nope.

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So, I think he's still a manipulative liar and he's still in this right wing game and he's still trying to sell his anti woke chewing tobacco or whatever.

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But he's a thoroughbred weirdo.

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Yeah.

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There's something about him that's like, it's like an old person just in their underwear walking around the house.

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I think he's in the late stage Roger Stone version of whatever he was, you know?

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Like, he's been rat fucking for his entire life.

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Now he's in a retired rat fuck mode.

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Like, I don't give a shit.

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Yeah.

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Who do you have to impress?

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Yeah.

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You're so rich, you live out in the middle of nowhere or whatever the fuck.

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You do your dumb show, interview tyrants.

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Yep.

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And then, like, who do you have a responsibility to?

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Alex is supposed to be your friend and he's calling you a CIA agent on his show.

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Right.

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And like, fuck, burn all these people.

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Who cares?

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Yeah.

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The only person that you genuinely have to be afraid of is Putin.

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And you like that guy.

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Well, and Trump probably.

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Probably.

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It's best to keep him.

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Yeah.

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Mollified.

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Like Saddam.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But Putin probably would kill him if it came to it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Owen starts talking a little bit about the assassination itself.

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Yeah.

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And man, he has got some theories.

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Oh.

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This next clip, he gives us what is the best case scenario.

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The best case scenario.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Now I'll just say this quickly and then we'll get into the actual content.

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This is where I'm at as far as the spectrum of possibility.

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This is where I'm at a week after the Charlie Kirk assassination, the spectrum of possibility

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here.

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I would say the best case scenario we have is that the FBI botched this job so bad.

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The FBI leadership, local leadership, just the whole thing, law enforcement, they botched

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this thing so badly.

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And it is such an embarrassment how badly they botched this deal that they're just coming

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out here and trying to package it and wrap it and deliver it to you and say, just here

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it is, just take it and go.

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Here it is, just take it and go.

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Here's the text messages.

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Yeah, they just conveniently perfectly tie up a lot of our loose ends here.

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They just, come on, just take it.

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The security footage, the footage behind Charlie Kirk, all these other weirdness, these things

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going on, these other questions.

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No, no, no.

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Just take this.

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Please, would you just take this?

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Would you just take this, please?

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That's the best case scenario.

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Like, I don't think Owen has fully thought this through.

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Yeah.

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If the FBI is doing that, it stands to reason that the texts and the evidence against the

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shooter aren't real.

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Otherwise, they would be explaining a killer's actions, not begging the public to accept

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a version of the story to distract from how badly they fucked the case up.

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Right.

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I don't think this is a best case scenario.

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Like, I can think of about 20 scenarios that are better for Owen if he just is allowed

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to make up whatever he wants.

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Yeah.

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Like, isn't a left-wing shooter, isn't that a better-

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I thought that, isn't that fine?

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Yeah.

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Or isn't the official story exactly what you want so you're allowed to unleash your horrifying

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belief system onto whomever is in your way?

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That seems like a better scenario for Owen than the FBI is just lying about everything.

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They got the right guy, but they're making up a story.

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This raises an interesting question, because now we're in a situation where this is the

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best case scenario, so everything has to be worse than this, which means we are in a soul-searching

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moment.

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Would you rather have an FBI that is ineffective or an FBI that is effective?

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Mm-hmm.

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Which one is worse?

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Effective but malicious.

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Exactly.

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Which one is worse?

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I don't know.

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Bumbling idiots who are also evil or evil geniuses who are at least successful in what

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they do?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Neither.

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Right.

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No, I know, but that's why we're in the best case scenario.

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It's a stupid dichotomy.

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Best case scenario is a stupid dichotomy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But you want to know the worst?

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Hell yeah.

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Worst case scenario?

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It's just an outright cover-up.

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Oh.

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Just a complete cover-up.

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I'm gonna go with aliens.

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And I don't even know what other conclusions come along with that.

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Like, was that the actual shooter or not?

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Who actually killed him?

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How many people were involved?

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How many people had prior knowledge?

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But that's where I see...

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That's where I see it's at right now.

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This is a great illustration of how useless Owen's analysis is.

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Best case scenario, the FBI got the right guy, but they fucked up the case so bad they

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had to create fake evidence to convince everyone to just move along.

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Worst case scenario, literally everyone in the world could be involved and have foreknowledge

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of the plot.

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Owen's gut is saying it's somewhere between those two markers.

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He's really narrowed it down quite a bit.

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Yeah.

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Also, why is this the worst case scenario?

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I can think of worse.

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Yeah, I mean...

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It's not...

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It's not fundamentally really even that different.

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Practically speaking, as a result, it's basically the same, right?

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Well, I mean, there's a lot of details that are different and organizational things.

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Sure, but I mean, at the end of it, where we are, where both of us have...

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They're both substantial cover-ups.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Here's what I don't...

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Okay, do you know what this reminds me of?

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This reminds me of in the Daft Punk read access memory, random access memories, right?

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There's a song called Giorgio by Marauder, and it's about Giorgio.

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Giorgio Marauder.

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Giovanni Giorgio, yeah.

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And in it, he says...

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He's doing this whole little monologue about his stuff, and in it, he says, once you give

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up the idea of harmony or of music being correct, you can do whatever you want.

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There's no preconceived notions, and no one can tell you what to do.

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And it is like Owen is playing within these rules that don't exist for him.

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Just give it up.

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Give up the idea of needing to have a point.

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Give up the idea of giving a shit about reality.

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It was aliens who are covering it up.

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You know?

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Go for it.

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Well, here's where we come to that problem of what you were saying earlier about he's

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been enabled for all this time.

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He has seen such a bad example be successful, and so what can he do other than kind of emulate

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those same tendencies?

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And what would Alex do?

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Would make up these best and worst case scenarios that mean nothing?

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He really would.

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Yeah.

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He's a dog who's gotten his training.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And if you're both never allowed to step out and never encouraged to step out, then why

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would you?

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And what if you're also stupid?

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You've got the Kirk Memorial, which is obviously gonna be a huge event.

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You could say this is the biggest political assassination since Martin Luther King Jr.,

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since JFK Jr.

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Okay.

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JFK Jr.?

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So this is not insignificant.

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And then you've got the Kirk Memorial.

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We're all gonna be in the room with all the elephants in the room.

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And then apparently the next week, Netanyahu's coming to Washington DC.

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So JFK Jr. wasn't assassinated.

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And I think that Owen is forgetting some people.

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Yeah.

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RFK was assassinated after Martin Luther King.

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So I guess Charlie's more important than that.

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Apparently.

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So bad news, Harvey Milk, Fred Hampton, and John Lennon.

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Sorry, friends.

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Sit the fuck down, Benazir Butoh.

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Ooh, that's no good.

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Yeah.

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You're not gonna enjoy that.

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No, you're not as important as Charlie Kirk.

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Hey, how about this?

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Osama bin Laden was a pretty important assassination.

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It was political in a way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, here's the thing, too.

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You and I were talking right after the assassination.

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Sure.

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And you were of the mind that it was not as big a deal as I believed it to be.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I am like you to Owen.

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Right.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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The SAT kind of relationship.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I see what you're saying.

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Yeah.

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I think he's taking this too seriously, but also it's more serious than trivial.

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Yeah.

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I made the miscalculation of not realizing that you could take his corpse and run with

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it, you know?

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I was laboring under the idea that they would have to engage with him.

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I think you also underestimated the level of attachment that a lot of people had to

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him because we think he sucks.

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Well, I mean, I definitely wouldn't have expected ABC to fire Jimmy Kimmel, but hey, what are

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you going to do?

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Look, sometimes...

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Apparently ABC is really into Charlie Kirk.

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Sometimes jokes don't work.

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I guess.

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I guess.

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A.B. Charlie Kirk.

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That's what we're up to.

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You know what they gotta do?

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They gotta get the Ace Man.

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They gotta ironically replace Adam Cara or Jimmy Kimmel with Adam.

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What are we doing?

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Just I'm for it.

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If you guys just want to go full right wing, bring the man show back.

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Who gives a shit?

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Jimmy Kimmel needs a job now.

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No, get Rogan back.

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Right, for sure.

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Rogan and Stan hope.

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Do the knockoff man show.

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Rogan and Stan hope.

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God.

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Can you believe that they hosted the man show?

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What a fucking world.

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I still can't believe the man show happened, let alone that it got another iteration.

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I was a man show defender for a little longer than I should have been.

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That happens.

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I thought some of those segments were fun.

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Not a lot of them.

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You know, the girls on trampolines and all that stuff.

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I'm here for Adam Carolla going to the lumber store.

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No, I get you.

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I get you.

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Hey, listen, I defended Win Ben Stein's money for a lot longer than I should have because

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I didn't know about Ben Stein's political history.

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Didn't know he was a Nixon speech writer?

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No idea.

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Nope.

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But that kind of does make it better when people win his money.

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It does.

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Eh.

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So, Owen is real dumb.

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And in this next clip, he kind of gets close to feeling like somebody that you might want

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to agree with in some ways.

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And I think that it's a mistake.

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So it's so crazy.

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I sit here and, you know, you've obviously got the Q people that still believe that this

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is all some grand scheme.

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And now I'm sitting here like, you know what?

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This is so crazy.

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Maybe it is.

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That's how insane this all is to me.

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Or maybe a whiff of hopium comes into the room and I'm like, can we get our country

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back?

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Get the Donald Trump we supported through three election cycles back.

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Can we get him back?

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Where is he?

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Can we get him back?

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And I think this is the closing event.

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Netanyahu arrested in Washington, D.C.

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Yes.

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For crimes against humanity.

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Yes.

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Now we're talking.

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Lying to American Congress.

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Tricking us into wars.

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Trump is going to arrest Netanyahu.

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Yes.

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When he comes to Washington, D.C., do it.

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Couldn't help it.

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The thought came into my head because it's outrageous.

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It's outrageous that Netanyahu would be welcomed into our country, our White House at this

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time.

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It is offensive.

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It is unbelievable.

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It is disgusting.

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And it will be the final straw for many people.

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Politically, with the right wing's obsession with Israel and quite frankly, this administration

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putting Israel first.

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It will be it will be the last straw in that political movement.

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And they'll just be totally done.

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And you can already see and you will see Trump's approval rating continue to go down.

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So Owens is not wrong about the idea that Netanyahu coming to the United States at this

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point is offensive.

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And something that Trump definitely shouldn't do.

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But it's confusing why he thinks Trump would act any differently.

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Owens speaking to a real feeling that folks in his sphere have, which is that if Trump

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meets with Netanyahu at the White House now, they will have to admit that the version of

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Trump that they've been supporting for the past three elections was fake.

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And that's a really that's a crisis moment.

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It's a bummer that he can see coming.

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This is the tension of Owen outside InfoWars.

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He's bad at being a pundit and he looks really stupid when he tries to play Alex style conspiracy

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games.

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But at the same time, he's speaking to a real feeling that the far right is experiencing.

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Alex is more entertaining, but he's going through the motions.

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Whereas Owen sucks at showbiz, but he can kind of read the room.

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It makes Owens show like I think it's a higher quality product that no one wants.

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Like a really well-made fruitcake.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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I mean, you know, except it's Owens shitty fruitcake.

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Yeah, but it's better than Alex's shitty fruitcake.

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Bingo.

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Yeah, it's not.

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Yeah, no, I get it.

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If you're stuck with, let's say, a best case scenario where the FBI is covered up how much

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Owen sucks and a worst case scenario where the FBI is covered up how much everybody sucks,

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I guess we go with the best case scenario?

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Also, I want to make a note of this.

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When he starts doing his roast segment, fruitcake jokes.

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He does not do a roast segment, does he?

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No, no, not on this one.

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When he does fruitcake jokes, bring them back around.

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Right.

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I think that's a good call.

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We haven't done fruitcake jokes in a long time.

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They used to be very prominent.

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It used to be so annoying, the idea that someone would bring a fruitcake to your party.

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Could you bring a fruitcake?

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Yeah.

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I guess we beat it.

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I guess we beat the fruitcake back.

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Bring it back for the roast.

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Absolutely.

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So, Charlie was a very pro-Israel person.

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Sure.

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Or was he?

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Oh.

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Netanyahu and the Jerusalem Post had Kirk's death story before anyone else, any other

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publication in America or even President Trump.

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That's just a fact.

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Here is Netanyahu in the aftermath of Kirk's death on Fox News.

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He said, he wrote me a letter on May 2nd this year.

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He said, one of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming alliances

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to defend Judeo-Christian civilization.

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A few weeks before the tragedy yesterday, I called him and I spoke to him and I said,

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please come to Israel.

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I invited him to Israel.

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And sadly, that visit will not take place.

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Now, here's what's interesting about this as well.

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There's this big back and forth about conversations that were happening between Kirk and then

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Yahoo and a bunch of big donors that are Israel supporters.

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And they're trying to deny that it all happened in the different context.

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I mean, does that not confirm it?

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That confirms it right there.

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Netanyahu invited Charlie Kirk to Israel and he didn't go.

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He said no.

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Well...

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So, doesn't that confirm a lot of those reports?

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Does for me.

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That's dumb.

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Netanyahu didn't say that Kirk turned down an invitation to go to Israel.

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No.

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He said that he invited Kirk, but the murder happened before he could make the trip.

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Right.

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It's not understanding that Netanyahu said that Kirk turned the invitation down because

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the goal is to make Kirk an anti-Israel, anti-Netanyahu figure now that he's dead.

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This is about the factions of the far right fighting over Charlie's corpse.

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And the real inconvenient reality for folks on Owen's side is that Charlie was a public

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supporter of Israel to the point where Nick Fuentes tried to destroy him over it.

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Last month, he was on Megyn Kelly's show and he said, quote, I think I have a bulletproof

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resume showing my defense of Israel, both on campus, on social media, to great mockery

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and scorn sometimes because I believe it.

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I believe in the scriptural land rights given to Israel.

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I believe in fulfillment of prophecy.

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And again, I'm not a theologian, but I'm a Christian.

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My life was changed in Israel.

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The spiritual energy there is so amazing.

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That's right.

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His life was changed there because he's already visited Israel multiple times.

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There's a video of him from 2019 in Jerusalem speaking to Im Turtzu, which is a Zionist

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organization.

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He's speaking in front of a backdrop that says, quote, building the Zionist dream.

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Well, I found the video of that lecture that he gave through a Times of Israel article.

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And insanely, it's an hour and a half talk that Charlie Kirk did in Jerusalem in 2019

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that has 700 views on YouTube.

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I don't know what the fuck, like if this is privated or something.

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Is this real?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Weird.

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So anyway, here's a clip from that that I'd like Owen to respond to.

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Okay.

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These IDF, they're doing God's work.

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I really believe that.

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And they have such unbelievable self-restraint.

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And they have these maniacs with these cameras right in their face trying to provoke them,

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trying to profile them.

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And I think to myself, if they only knew the self-restraint, if they only knew the

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moral conduct that the IDF operates with every day versus the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah,

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I mean, and anyone who dares make a moral equivalency between the conduct and the behavior

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of the IDF and Israel, which is a moral superiority.

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What the Western media tries to do is they try to make it some sort of equal playing

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field in the conversation.

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The Hamas and the IDF, they're somehow both on the same playing field.

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No, no, no.

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The IDF is righteously and correctly defending the nation state of Israel, God's chosen people

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and the Holy Lamb.

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Okay.

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Well, here's another clip.

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And then we flew down and we saw the barrier to the Gaza Strip, which was very eye-opening

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to me as well.

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And one of the biggest mistakes that Israel has made is getting out of the Gaza Strip.

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Oh, somebody fired Jimmy Kimmel over this.

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Seen what has happened.

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It's become a terrorist jacuzzi, essentially is what it has become.

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It has become a terrorist jacuzzi.

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Was that worth saying twice?

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I love that in general, I think everybody would fire Charlie Kirk for what Charlie Kirk

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has said about Charlie Kirk after Charlie Kirk's assassination.

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Yeah, Charlie Kirk is in poor taste.

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I mean, just frankly, I have a bulletproof reputation.

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God is just in poor taste for this current climate right now.

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So this is a wild 90 minutes and it actually shows how much Charlie improved over the past

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six years.

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Like he's kind of unsteady and giving off open mic vibes at points during this talk.

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My main point here is that Owen is trying to rob Charlie of his identity.

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It's such a bigger insult than anyone making fun of his death.

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I know.

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It's so awful.

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I know.

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It's so awful that just let him have his legacy.

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I would, I would, so I don't under, like now that we're here where we are, I don't understand

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people not understanding that Charlie Kirk would be happy with the people who say, good

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riddance.

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I hope you're dead.

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Charlie Kirk is fine with those people.

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Charlie Kirk is not fine with people being like, you know what?

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He actually hated Israel.

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Charlie Kirk would hate that.

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People being like rest in piss you dork or something like that.

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Hell yeah.

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Fuck yeah.

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Turning point's going to make more money.

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That's the challenge.

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We're fighting.

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This keeps the cycle going.

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Yep.

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Like people be like trying, the Nazis trying to overtake his reputation and the whole thing.

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Yeah.

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It's counter to what he was building and like it doesn't make turning point more money.

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No, everybody, everybody is reacting in the worst possible way to the situation from the

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corporations doing everything stupidly to the right wingers making this the most exploitable

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thing that they've ever done to everybody who is like, oh, we shouldn't be this or we

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should do that.

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It's just, man, just let it go.

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So Owen, he's listening to Netanyahu speak about Kirk's death and he gets a little offended

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by word.

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He was, he was a defender of our common Judeo Christian civilization.

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He was so sick of this word.

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He would be excited to walk at the footsteps of Jesus here.

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He he valued our bond, the bond between America and Israel.

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Listen to this guy.

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You know, he did so many things to defend free speech.

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He had his truth.

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He stood up for it.

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Oh, you all said you can, oh, you're for free speech.

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Sure you are.

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You can come and debate me.

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He invited that debate.

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I like to imagine that that was Netanyahu saying, oh, and come debate me.

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Come debate me.

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So why does Owen hate the word Judeo Christian?

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If his complaints are about Israel's government and Netanyahu and all this, what's the beef

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with acknowledging the two religions shared history?

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He hates Abraham.

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It seems like such a weird thing to get hung up on if your problem isn't rooted in antisemitism

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as opposed to political critique.

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Oh, well.

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Yeah.

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It seems like you're less interested in the continuity of a lifestyle and living space

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and instead more interested in how the Jews killed your Messiah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Netanyahu, he made the assassination about Israel.

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Like there's a lot of people who like they're being accused of accusing Israel.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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But they're not.

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Right.

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They're just responding to the fact that Netanyahu made this all about himself.

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Folks, we were all there.

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The first day it was all about how it was a violent leftist.

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And then Netanyahu came out and made the statement and made it all about Israel.

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And then people said, what's up with this?

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Gee, he posted about it first.

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Gee, the Jerusalem Post had the story first.

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Gee, here's all these clips of Charlie Kirk kind of changing his stance on Israel.

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Gee, here's what other people are saying about some behind the scenes stuff.

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Now it all adds up and now it's all confirmed.

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They say, oh, the radical right made it about Israel.

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No, he didn't.

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Well, I mean.

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Netanyahu did.

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So Charlie Kirk was a friend of Netanyahu's and a staunch Christian Zionist.

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There is no reason that Netanyahu wouldn't release a statement about Kirk's death.

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That's not making the story about Israel.

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It's not like he posted a shaggy meme with Kirk getting shot and then he's in the background

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saying it wasn't me.

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Right.

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Which would have been great.

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Poor taste.

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Well, I mean, for a head of state.

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Obviously not as in poor taste as what I think that people like Owen are doing.

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I agree.

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What Owen is describing here is motivated reasoning and the process that he went down

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to build the case that he wants to make.

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There is a faction of the far right that wants to say that Israel killed Kirk because Kirk's

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death is a deeply traumatic event for a large group of people and that energy can be exploited.

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In order to pull off that kind of a theory, you need to come up with an explanation for

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the whole problem that Kirk is super pro-Israel.

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Yeah, I mean like super pro-Israel.

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So Owen plays around with the idea that Israel was the first to know about the murder.

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Then there's some cherry-picked quotes that are taken out of context to make it appear

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that he was turning on Israel recently.

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Add in a little bit of anonymous gossip that Kirk and Netanyahu had a fight, which is corroborated

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by making something up about Charlie turning down an invitation to come to Israel.

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It does make sense.

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You got it.

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You baked a cake.

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You put it all together.

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This is just Alex shit.

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And it's down to him saying that it's all confirmed.

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Yeah.

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The image that I had in my head is like, he's a guy who's watched someone bluff for 10 years

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and thinks they can play any poker hand.

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And it's just like, no, you don't have the confidence to pull this off.

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You're so clearly bluffing.

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You have to, like, okay, if you want to get better at something, you have to overcome

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challenges along the way.

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You know, like that's just part of it.

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If you want to be a better comedian, you have to bomb, you have to fail to grow.

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Right.

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And he has been in such a situation where he's coddled and protected from actual consequences

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that he's never built muscles.

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He's never built the muscles to do this shit.

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Well, the last time that he did, it was 2016 when he was out yelling at libs at protests.

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That was probably the last, like, serious challenge.

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Like ever since Paul Joseph Watson became less prevalent at Infowars, like, what has

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he had?

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Yeah.

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And even then, if it was time to rise to the moment, Alex broke in.

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You know, like there was, he didn't even have the chance to rise to the moment.

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And that's why Owen was pissed off.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So there's some other news stories that he, Elephanty, kind of elephant-esque.

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So then that created a series of thoughts, let's say.

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It's not.

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And then you've got the House just passed a bill punishing politically motivated boycotts

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of Israel.

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That happened right after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

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So you're over here looking at this story.

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House passes a bill punishing politically motivated boycotts of Israel.

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No one else gets that privilege in this country, just Israel.

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Republicans block Senate vote to release Epstein files.

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You heard that.

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Republicans block Senate vote to release Epstein files.

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This happened right after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

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Guess you're not talking about that.

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I have no idea what Owen is surprised about with this House bill.

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Marco Rubio sponsored a similar bill in 2019 during Trump's first term, and he's the Secretary

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of State now.

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This is what they voted for, and they should know that because this is what Trump's folks

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did the first time.

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Lauren Boebert championed this bill this time, and while it is a bad bill, it's not banning

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all politically motivated boycotts of Israel.

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It only applies to federal contractors, which is still bad, but it's not as broad as what

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Owen is making it seem.

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Bigger picture, though, why am I supposed to believe that these things are connected?

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Was Charlie killed in order to take attention away from the Republicans voting against Epstein

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releases?

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That seems stupid, since it's pretty clear at this point that Trump's fans are cool with

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that cover-up, so you don't need to distract from that.

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It's a wasted assassination.

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Or was he killed to distract from Lauren Boebert's bill?

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If you kill somebody to distract from anything having to do with Lauren Boebert, you're in

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the wrong.

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Which is just like a rehash of something they did six years ago.

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Like did they kill Charlie last time?

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This is just poorly performed Alex.

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It's basically like these things when he tries to actually get to something and cover a story.

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He doesn't know how to do it any other way.

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And even then, who gives a shit if federal contractors ... If you're in a college and

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you talk shit about Israel, they just fire you.

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Who cares?

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You're already fired for talking shit.

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Whatever changes are made by that bill are not good, but there's other things.

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At most they're a codification of something that's already been happening.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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So Owen wants to kill some time here on the show.

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How can you want to kill time on a show that no one is forcing you to do?

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Well, I think that gold guy might be.

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Fair enough.

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He plays the video of Kirk getting shot a bunch.

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God damn it.

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And he's going over angles and what appears to be a reflection of a muzzle shot.

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Motherfucker.

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So there's a little flash and he's like, is there a second shooter?

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That kind of stuff.

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And I really feel like this captures the vibe.

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All right, let me just kind of get this picture real quick in my head before I go back to

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the other shot.

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It's still so hard to tell because.

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I don't know.

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It's so hard to tell.

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Because it actually now.

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Well, no, that can't be it.

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That can't be it because it's a longer window.

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If it's a window.

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Yeah, that one's a little tricky.

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That one's a little tricky trying to determine where it came from, actually.

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Well, we're not trying to solve the crime here tonight, but my point is that's another

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anomaly.

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That's another video that is, I'd say, pretty important.

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Pretty important.

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I have nothing to say about this.

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I'm just going to hum a bunch and come to no conclusions.

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He is delusional enough to think that he's America's anchorman and he can just do these

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no effort reaction stream type content.

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Like he's fucked.

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There's so many more interesting people who are already in that space.

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The doesn't work at Infowars anymore.

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Right.

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Right.

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The lack of confidence is, if I'm doing one of these streams, it is what I say it is.

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I don't care what it is.

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I don't care if I'm looking at this camera and I'm not seeing what I'm saying.

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It is what I say it is.

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Whatever you see is irrelevant.

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Whatever I see is irrelevant.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It should still be a work.

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You know?

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Absolutely.

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There's a performance aspect to it.

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Even if it is like, hey, it appears that we're all just hanging out, having a good time,

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sitting around with your old buddy Owen.

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You want to create that feeling.

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But if that's all you're doing, someone else is doing that better.

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Yeah.

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And if you want somebody to come back next week, you have to say, it was two guys.

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I know it was two guys.

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Because look, and it doesn't matter if I see what you are showing me, you've said it was

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there so I'm going to trust you.

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I'll see you next week.

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That's what people want.

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Yeah.

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There's a little bit of a boring uncertainty to this that doesn't work with his media.

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Can't be uncertain.

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Uncertainty is the only thing you cannot be.

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Yeah.

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And unfortunately, it looks like this dude is 60-40.

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Oh God.

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I'd say that's the worst.

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That's the odd thing is that the left wing did it.

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And either the FBI botched it so badly that they're trying to cover up some elements of

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the botch or they just don't even know much.

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They're just, it's just that incompetent.

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So the story doesn't make any sense, but the conclusion might be right.

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I'd say all things considered, that's where I would lean.

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All things considered, I'd say I'm maybe 60% that they have the conclusion right.

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Even if the story they gave us to get there is complete bullshit, which obviously it is.

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What?

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So the conclusion might be right, but the story to get there, complete bullshit.

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So how can you trust it?

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But I would say that's the odds on.

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And then let's just say, I'm not even going to land on a conclusion of who, but let's

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just say 40%, someone else hired him, intelligence agency, whatever.

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It was a professional job.

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I'd say 40% professional job, 60% left wing terror attack, left wing assassination.

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You know, one thing that kind of, the one thing that kind of says, hold not so fast

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is it just, it just screams professional hit to me.

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Single shot right after the transgender thing was mentioned, single shot right to the jugular,

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guaranteed kill shot.

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It just feels professional.

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It just screams professional.

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And from what we know about the suspect who's denying it, he was no professional.

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Apparently didn't even know how to put a sight on a rifle.

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And then the caliber of the bullet, we don't have these answers.

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So that's when you start to say, well, now it looks like a patsy.

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That's why I'm not so confident, but I'm like, I'd say I'm over 50%.

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It's probably just a left wing assassin, but I'm not that confident.

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This is such a shitty Alex impression.

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One thing that you do notice when you watch enough of Alex is that he has an effortless

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ability to make up numbers and it makes it feel like it means something.

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He has a knack for floating contradictory theories and just being like, let's juggle

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all this bullshit.

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Alex just talks shit and Owen isn't talking shit.

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He's trying to think of something.

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Yeah.

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Wrong.

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Yeah.

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Wrong.

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85% sure.

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I'm 85% sure.

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I'm sure all the time because I'm always right.

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98% there is no difference between 85% and 60% in this situation.

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In both cases, you have just admitted you have no fucking clue in your guess.

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You're just guessing you.

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So guess big.

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No, the only thing you're saying is 100%.

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I don't want to be held to this.

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Exactly.

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That's it.

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Exactly.

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You know what you do?

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You guess so big that if you're wrong, who cares?

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And then the next day.

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Interesting.

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Exactly.

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There's Hey, I'm Owen and I'm going to be milk toast for the next hour.

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Go fuck yourself.

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I'm America's anchorman.

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Shut up, man.

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Let's listen to Limp Bizkit.

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64, I'm over 50%.

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That is the worst.

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That is the worst thing you could say.

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Yeah.

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And it feels way too much like Alex.

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It feels...

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But shittier.

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Yeah.

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Alex but shittier is not a sales pitch.

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No.

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No.

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Nope.

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So there's some weirdness with this assassination.

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There's anomalies much like Alex found with all of the false flags that he uncovered in

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his career.

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As always.

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Let's go to this weirdness first, maybe, because we're going to kind of move off the assassination

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story for a second.

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I mean, how...

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Look at this.

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It's just weird.

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I don't know how to describe it.

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Here's Michael Mauer.

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Congrats to my good friend Robert Axin on his election as chair of the Utah GOP at University...

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Excuse me.

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At Utah Valley University today with a terrific job with George Zinn.

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With George Zinn.

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This guy's really active on that campus in Republican Party politics.

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Who's Michael Mauer?

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The senior advisor of community outreach and inter-government relations for Governor Spencer

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Cox of Utah, who Charlie had a bit of an issue with, by the way.

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It's not that weird that this guy has a picture with George Zinn, who's the old man who was

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arrested at the Kirk shooting for saying that he'd done it.

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And people, in the immediate aftermath, there was misreporting that he was arrested for

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the shooting.

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But he was like a guy.

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Yeah, he's a long-time libertarian protester and troublemaker in local Utah politics.

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Owen could have read about the many times he's been arrested for misdemeanors in the

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past if he cared to look into this at all.

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This dipshit just sees a picture of someone and he has to stop himself from trying to

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find context.

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That's the only explanation for this.

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He's actively incurious.

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I couldn't look at...

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The last time I even saw a name, I looked it up.

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The last time I saw a name, somebody sent us an email and I saw this name and I was

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like, I just gotta look this name up.

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But they're for no reason.

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Yeah, especially if you're engaged in...

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That's no reason.

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Now let's imagine that you're doing a show where you're speculating about a murder.

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How many pages of notes do I do for an interview where I ask four questions?

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It's crazy.

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And yet this guy, nothing.

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What the fuck?

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He's got a picture with this guy.

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How is it possible you're not like, well, let me learn more about this guy?

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Yeah, dumb.

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That's the first thing you would think, right?

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Oh my God.

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So Kirk had been critical of Spencer Cox in the past for not being conservative enough,

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but does Owen think that Cox was involved in a conspiracy to kill Kirk with his advisor

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and George Zinn?

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Does this picture from a GOP event that was posted on Twitter two years ago really tell

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us anything?

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This is meaningless information being presented as if it's evidence of something.

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Owen can do this act where he pretends like, oh, I'm uncovering these details and oh, it

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looks so weird to me, but it's just not convincing.

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Alex seems lost in his own shit and Owen doesn't.

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Yeah.

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And even if you're like, okay, first off, who cares if it's convincing in the traditional

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sense of convincing?

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What it needs to be is convincing in the sense of, ah?

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In a theater way.

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Exactly.

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Right?

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Even his, even his, oh, Spencer Cox, eh?

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That's not selling it.

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That's like fucking masterpiece theater shit.

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Like, oh, have you read this book?

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Fuck you.

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Right.

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Right.

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There's an advisor to the governor who posted a picture with a notorious ne'er do well around

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town in GOP and libertarian politics two years ago.

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And Owen thought like, job's done.

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Right?

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I'm just going to take this to air.

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You gotta do more.

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You gotta make up a story.

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What if they went golfing together?

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What if any number of possible details or one little thing that you pull from some other

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document and that's like, oh, see, this is what connects the three of them.

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Any number of things.

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Or be visited by a ghost.

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How many times?

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Tell me a dream.

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I am so mad.

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I am so mad from time to time that whatever thing allows these people to do what it is

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they do is not within me because I feel like they all suck at it and I could fucking kill

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it.

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I could crush this space.

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If you could just drop like how bad it feels to lie to people about ghosts.

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Yeah.

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If I could just be a monster, I would be the best monster.

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You'll get there one day.

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I don't think I will.

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It's hard to be a monster.

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I think it's hard.

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Yeah, that should be.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, there's this non-convincing air that's going throughout this.

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And I think that this next clip really embodies this like, come the fuck off, man.

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And then this is just, this is the stuff where you're like, okay, throw everything out.

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I'm in a damn simulation.

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Throw everything else out the window.

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I'm in a simulation when this stuff happens.

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These connections keep getting weirder and weirder.

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So right at the end of this press conference where Kash Patel announces that they caught

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Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, Kash Patel ends it with Charlie Kirk, I'll see

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you in Valhalla.

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Lastly, to my friend, Charlie Kirk, rest now, brother.

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We have the watch and I'll see you in Valhalla.

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Now what's interesting is that one of the pictures that they put out of Tyler Robinson

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shows Tyler Robinson in his bedroom next to his computer.

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On the computer is a picture of an island.

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That island is called Goat Island and it's located in New Zealand that has a retreat

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called Valhalla.

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Isn't that, isn't that, isn't that weird?

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No.

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That's just weird.

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No.

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These connections keep getting weirder and weirder.

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That's not weird!

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You don't even know how you...

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Again, I'm in a simulation or is it Q?

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Is it time for me to accept Q?

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If that's enough for Owen to start questioning if he's in a simulation, then he's just looking

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for any excuse to talk about how he's in a simulation.

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Yeah, right?

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Gun to my head, I wouldn't be confident whether the video he's playing is a sincere conspiracy

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theory or someone doing a parody of what dumb shit conspiracy theorists consider evidence.

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So let's assume that all of it's true and it all means something.

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Why not?

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In that case, Kash Patel said, see you in Valhalla in his press conference as a wink

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to this picture of the shooter who was once photographed with a picture of an island on

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his computer screen that has a resort on it called Valhalla.

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So now what?

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Who's going to, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Like who's going to Valhalla?

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Is the killer going to Valhalla?

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Are all of them going to Valhalla?

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Is Charlie Kirk not dead and he's going to Valhalla?

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And then Kash Patel after he retires or something or gets fired, is they going to move to Valhalla?

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Do all of them move to Valhalla?

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That's Goat Island's soul.

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That's what I'm saying, man.

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I don't know.

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It doesn't mean anything.

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If all of this is true, if we stipulate all of it, does that mean that the shooter is

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a patsy?

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Did they fake the shooting?

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And Patel is telling Charlie to meet him on that island so they can debrief.

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Right, exactly.

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It's a clue about something.

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What does it point to?

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There is nothing.

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It's just dumb information.

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And also you're leaving out the obvious answer, which is that Kash Patel is a dork.

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Yeah, he's a white nationalist dork.

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That is it.

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He's a dork who said Valhalla from the fucking president's desk or whatever shit he's doing.

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And pretending he's Jon Snow on the wall or some shit.

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What are you, you've got your watch.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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What are you doing?

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Yeah, loser.

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Jesus Christ, you're the head of the FBI.

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It's embarrassing.

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Fuck off.

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So the picture on the shooter's computer screen is a Getty Images photo of the shore of a

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small island off the coast of New Zealand called Goat Island.

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Sure.

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Valhalla isn't on that island.

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God damn it!

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It's actually back on the main north island of New Zealand.

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Sure.

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If the guy making this original video isn't just trolling people, then he's lying about

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the circumstances to make it seem more unlikely that this coincidence could possibly happen.

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Yeah.

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It's not the same place.

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And even if it were, this is a desktop computer and it's entirely possible that this was a

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picture that was licensed from Getty Images for like a screensaver package.

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Even if you assume all of the information that's being presented to you is accurate,

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you still have to be a real dipshit to jump to simulation from this stuff.

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Like there's so many, it's so not interesting.

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I, okay.

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So as far as spy craft and such is concerned, you know, people recognize the codes, the

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dead drops, you know, the like hide the little sheet of paper under a rock, that kind of

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stuff.

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I do not think I have ever heard anybody be like, oh, did you know they talk to each other

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through Getty Images?

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I don't think that's a smart way of doing it.

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Yeah.

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I also don't know when that photo is dated from.

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So like, what if it's like a 10 year old photo or something like that of him in front of

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his computer?

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This is ridiculous.

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If, if, and also what?

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No, stop.

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No, you stop.

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Don't look at me like that.

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If Owen is going to do this, he must explain what it means.

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Obviously.

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He has to be like, okay, so he, he said Valhalla because X.

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Yeah.

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He can't just be like, eh?

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Do what you will with it.

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The thing about Alex is that, and I guess this is something that again, Owen may not

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have learned is that when Alex makes an implication, that's a third of the way through what Alex

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is going to say, which is he implies something happens, then he explicitly says, this is

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why it happened.

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Then he returns to the implication.

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You have to explicitly say that the implication you said is true and then kind of walk it

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back and then frequently say, I'll leave it at that.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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I'll leave it at that with everything I have implied being 100% true.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'll leave it at that.

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You make your own decision.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'll leave it at that.

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I'll leave it there.

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So Owen, like, you know what?

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He's just not sure at anything, which is great.

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Do a show then, please.

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Yeah, that's the way to go.

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Yeah, go host.

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But it's like, I don't know.

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What conclusions can you really reach?

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I'm not convinced that we're getting the full story.

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I'm not convinced.

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I'm not entirely convinced that the guy that they're telling us it was did it.

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I'd say no at this point, despite, okay, it's left wing terror.

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I just, I don't know.

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None of it adds up.

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None of it makes any sense.

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So okay.

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Now you're kind of getting into why there's this whole move against Israel in right wing

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politics where normally they remain strong.

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It's just gone too far.

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It's just too much now.

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Whether it's whether it's what's going on in Gaza, whether it's our Congress just went

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to Israel.

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I mean, talk about distasteful.

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Our Congress was in Israel this week as all of this is happening.

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Our Congress is in Israel kissing the wall, wearing the hat with Netanyahu, the hat.

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And here comes the APAC money afterwards.

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I mean, it's just like, good Lord.

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It's just so over the top.

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And the continued wars.

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It's like, hey, you know, America ain't doing that great.

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People here are struggling, man.

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And we're sick of seeing our country taking foreign money and going to foreign nations

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and doing foreign holy rituals.

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Or, you know, we're just kind of sick of it.

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I think he got lost in a thought.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Also, fun fact, at the end of the episode, he explains that the Owen Shroyer network

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or the WIN network or whatever the fuck he's just dumb.

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Whatever it is.

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It's on hold a little bit.

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It's delayed.

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Oh, yeah.

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He needs to buy a new house in order to start the network.

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That'll happen.

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Which is really, really makes it feel like he's in touch with the we're hurting man.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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I love the moral authority that he puts behind the I'm going to need your money to do a show.

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And also I'm going to buy a nicer house for me.

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In order for me to do this podcast that I'm already doing, I need to buy a house.

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I would love to hear that I gave somebody money to make something and then they decided

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to buy a house.

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And they tell me, I don't know anything.

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I don't know when that's going to happen.

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And also, I don't have any information to share with you.

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What you have given me is money and what you have expected is something in return.

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And I have taken more money than I have given you value in return.

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That is why I would like to sell you gold, my friend.

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I'm kicking the tires around.

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I'm seeing how it feels to say stuff.

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You'll get it.

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You'll get it.

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I'm just tasting words.

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So I just want to say that if Owen is not 100% sure about the shooting and what the

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FBI is telling us, that's totally cool.

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He's not adding anything by grazing on all this bullshit and pretending it's analysis,

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though, so he can just not speculate if he doesn't know anything.

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He doesn't have to do this.

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That's always an option.

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I will give him lessons.

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I will do consulting for $10,000 an episode.

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Every time, if Owen wants to get a good show where he's a real piece of shit, I will teach

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you for $10,000 an episode.

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But I think that's kind of what we're now invested in doing.

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We're doing punch up.

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We are doing punch up for him, aren't we?

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But that's the thing about it, is that he can't take our advice because he's too stupid.

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He thinks he knows better than us.

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He's America's anchor.

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He's America's anchor.

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I mean, America knows better than us.

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Of course.

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He's America.

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And he is America.

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Yep.

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Je suis America.

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So as for Congress members going to the Western Wall, in May 2017, Trump became the first

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sitting US president to visit the wall.

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And Owen went to jail for trying to get him elected in 2020.

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My apologies if this sounds a little hollow and stupid now.

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You fucking asshole.

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That's one of those things where it's like, guys, we just sometimes just forget about

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team sports.

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There are some times where you just forget about team sports.

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Like fucking Obama did the thing and Netanyahu showed up and went to Congress without him

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and did the whole I'm insulting you thing.

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We've had Israel's...

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Netanyahu has insulted every president while I've been alive.

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Yeah, I think so.

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But also, I think that if you're trying to present this as a position where you have

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like a fundamental problem with Israel's politics and you don't like Benjamin Netanyahu, why

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are you saying the hat?

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Right.

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Fuck you, dude.

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Right.

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You're giving away the entire premise here.

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You don't have a political problem.

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And like you saying the right is usually like holding tight with Israel.

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Not half of it.

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Yeah.

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That's not been the case, brother.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Anyway, Owen thinks that he's getting some bad tweets from Israeli agents that are being

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paid to spam him on social media.

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I can't believe they would be paid that much.

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Nah.

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Now, I don't take anything in politics personally, but I can sit here and notice a trend and

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report on a trend.

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And so I'll use this as a starter.

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I'll use this as a starter.

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This is a big pro-Israel account.

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This guy's constantly nipping at my ankles with all the others.

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I've got like five to 10 just pro-Israel, probably agents, quite frankly, probably paid

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to do it.

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They just sit in my comments and spam me all the time when I do Israel stuff.

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So this guy's one of them.

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And he's out at college campuses now doing the Charlie Kirk stuff at a table.

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Oh, like your old boss?

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This doesn't sound like someone who takes things personally.

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It doesn't sound like the kind of guy who would do a five-hour stream about how he left

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his job at Info Wars.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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That was totally cool about it.

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He never takes political stuff personally.

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Maybe he probably should more often if he's going to jail for shit.

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Yeah.

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I would take that personally.

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I think there's something intensely personal and grandiose about assuming negative tweets

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are another government fucking with you.

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That does tend to...

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I would imagine that something that tickles your ego that much is probably pretty personal

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to you.

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It's a level of harassment that is special for America's anchor.

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Because I was mean to somebody on Info Wars a while back, they are now watching my stream

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along with all other 50 people to really make me feel like the government is after me.

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They're on a foreign payroll.

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It's too dangerous.

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Gotta be.

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So Owen, I think, tries to do something and it's empty.

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But he does try to make a distinction between Israel and Jewish.

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Ooh, let's hear this.

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Which, I mean, at least he's kind of trying.

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I'm excited.

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And there's this huge propaganda movement to convince you that Jews and Israel are basically

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the same thing.

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So that that way, when you say anything about Israel, they can just accuse you of being

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an anti-Semite, therefore discrediting your opinion, censoring you, de-banking you, removing

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you from the Trump movement.

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That's what they do.

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But there is obviously a distinction.

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And it's beyond just the obvious distinction that a Jewish person, whether in America,

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Israel, anywhere, a Jewish person is an independent person that can think whatever they want.

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And from my experience, Jews are very diverse in their thoughts.

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Some are very pro-Israel, some are very anti-Israel, some are very deep into their faith, some

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have completely abandoned their faith.

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That's my experience.

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So no, they use this movement, this pro-Israel, whatever this thing is, this Netanyahu regime,

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this Zionist movement, they use Jews as cannon fodder, as like a public communications body shield.

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So I do think that a lot of this is Owen's side's fault.

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I think that there is so much conspiracy and so much bigotry and anti-Semitism that's built

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around the idea of dual loyalties and the idea that every Jewish person has the right

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of return to Israel so they can commit crimes anywhere and then flee back so they can never

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possibly be loyal to another country.

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That is such a huge part of the cultural melding of Jewish and Israel.

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And the fact that he can't really understand that, or doesn't take that into consideration

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as a part of the world that he's marinated in for his entire career, makes this an empty explanation.

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And I think that it's good, I guess, that there is a message of like, hey, I don't mean

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Jewish when I'm trying to make this about Israel.

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I'm trying.

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I can't, but I'm trying.

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But the fundamental thing that they exist within is that the three-headed nature of

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an ethnicity, a religion, and a nation, which means that you can find somewhere for most

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people that they'll have something, like, well, I'm a Christian, so yada yada, or racist,

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or just a nationalist, or any number of those things.

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You can find a way, and then when you blend all three together, it doesn't matter which

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you're using, it's a code for the other two.

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Right.

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You know, Nick Fuentes has a lot of just generalized bigotry towards Jewish people that can be

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covered as, I'm just a Christian.

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Exactly.

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I don't want other people of other religions to...

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I just don't think that they're right about God.

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Right.

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You and me, we're both religious, so I'm telling you that I have an objection over religious

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grounds and you're like, well, maybe I agree, maybe I don't, but religion is what we're

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talking about here.

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But we're really not.

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No.

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We're also talking about ethnicity and nation.

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And I think that that complexity of where all of this conversation lives is something

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that Owen is incapable of dealing with because he needs to exploit it.

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Right.

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It's our tool.

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It's our weapon.

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And what we use is this three-headed dog, you know?

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So that's where we're at.

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Yeah.

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So earlier, I think I look back on a little bit earlier in this episode and I feel like

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I didn't fully explain or deal with when Owen said that Netanyahu coming here is a disgrace.

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Right.

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And how people might be drawn towards hearing something like that and being like, yeah,

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I do think it's offensive that Netanyahu's coming here at this point.

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And I think a lot of the reasons that people would have those feelings have to do with

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Gaza.

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Right.

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I don't think Hitler should visit either.

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Right.

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There is a genocide that's ongoing.

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Yep.

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And the person who is the head of state cannot come here at this point.

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Just say no.

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Right.

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That is the explanation that a lot of people would feel.

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And so your brain kind of makes you think that Owen cares.

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Right.

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And it kind of makes you think that he's speaking to issues that you care about.

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Right.

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But he doesn't.

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Nope.

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It's important to remember he doesn't give a shit.

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And by the way, there are plenty of Jews that don't agree with Netanyahu and there are plenty

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of Israeli Jews that protest Netanyahu every day in the streets and that movement is growing.

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So she comes out and you can agree with the Palestine thing or not.

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I'm not involved in it.

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I'm not on any side of it.

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I'm on the America side.

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It has nothing to do with me.

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I went out.

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I don't want anything to do with it.

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I don't want to see a single foreign flag in my country anymore.

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Stop it.

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Not my problem.

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You guys figure it out.

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And if you're so obsessed with that, then go live over there.

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If you want to come live over here with us.

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This flag is a foreign flag.

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Then you're going to leave that over there because we don't want it here.

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But now it is here.

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And it's and it's and it disgusts me and it breaks my heart.

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So but she makes an obvious statement.

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It shouldn't even be radical.

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Hey, you know.

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Criticizing the Israel government or military or Netanyahu regime, you know, Jews are a

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different thing than that.

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Oh, yeah, thank you.

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That's obvious.

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But OK, thank you for distinguishing that might be your problem.

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And you can see why.

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And you can see why she attacked.

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She gets attacked.

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And I can't understand why people would do this.

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Just straight propaganda.

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Here's a couple examples.

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If you're a Jew and you don't understand that Judaism and Jewish culture is inexplicably

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tied to Israel, then you really don't understand anything about being Jewish.

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Oh, so you just want her to own what the Netanyahu regime is doing.

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You just want her to own.

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What's going on in the Gaza Strip with you and you just want to throw her like a human

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body shield in front of you for PR.

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So he's reading a tweet about how at the Emmys, the best supporting actress in a comedy series

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winner Hannah Einbender, she ended her speech saying, quote, fuck ice and free Palestine.

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Later backstage, she said, quote, it's an issue that's really close to my heart for

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many reasons.

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I feel like it's my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state

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of Israel because our religion and our culture is such an important and longstanding institution

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that is really separate to the ethno-nationalist state.

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So she got some heat back from that.

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And Owen's response to this is like, duh.

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And then also, I don't care about Palestine.

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I don't care about this shit.

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I mean, okay, I will then shut the fuck up.

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I only care about America.

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I do love a good, I do love a good.

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I don't want to see any foreign flags in my country.

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Like man, the flag itself has 50 stars on it because there are 54 countries that make

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up the one country, man.

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The learn, learn a thing, learn a thing.

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And I say, fuck you, you're a liar.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Pretending that you have like this.

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Oh, people don't know how to differentiate.

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Oh.

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No, but even like pretending you have some kind of enlightened take on like, hey, what

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goes on in another country, I don't care.

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All I care about is America.

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Right.

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You're full of shit.

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Yep.

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That's not true.

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You're just dodging having to deal with any of this.

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Even from earlier in the episode, it's not true.

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You were giving more care to other places, right?

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Like you're only avoiding this one because you know there's a very obvious problem here.

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Why do you care about Russia and Ukraine then?

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Right?

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It's just, yeah.

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Oh well.

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Can't be any difference.

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So he's saying that this Hannah Einbinder, she is being made to accept all of Netanyahu's

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actions.

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Sure.

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That's what people are trying to impose on her.

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Right.

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That all Jewish people should love Israel.

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Right.

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Right?

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It's just they're one in the same basically.

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Right.

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According to most Nazis, yes.

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Well, and Charlie Kirk in 2019.

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Ah, shit.

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One of the most ironic things I have to do every single year is I go to college campuses

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and I have to tell Jews why they should love Israel.

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It's one of the most unbelievable things I've ever done in my life where I have to tell

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Jews that this is a moral and good country.

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I'll let you guys all figure out why that is.

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I'm not going to try to tell you that.

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There's a lot of different theories I have.

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I actually still haven't totally figured it out, but American Jews are some of the most

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anti-Israel people that I've come across in the States actually.

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It's absolutely unbelievable.

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Militantly anti-Israel too.

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It's incredible.

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I mean, Bernie Sanders is technically Jewish.

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He hates Israel.

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What?

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Only technically.

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Okay.

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So you reaffirmed.

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Oh, God.

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You get, yeah.

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So I don't mean that as a slight.

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I don't think he practices Judaism.

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Is that correct?

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Okay.

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So that's why I say that.

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And yeah, he's a Marxist.

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Right.

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I will say that the left is driven by hatred and anger.

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Do you realize how angry these people are all the time?

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Big open mic energy.

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That was shit.

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I will say the left is driven by anger and hatred.

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Nice.

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Boom.

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What else do I call?

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What do you guys want me to close with?

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I got two bits.

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I got two bits.

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I'll let you Jews.

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That's a good save.

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He just pulled out of his back pocket because he slipped on a banana peel on stage talking

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about who's good Jewish people to people in Jerusalem.

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You know, what I love most about these last two clips is there is nothing I love more

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than a bigoted white dude really just telling other people how to relate to their own ethnicity

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and relationships and religion and everything because they can't know they're Jewish.

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Yeah.

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It's too complicated or something.

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It's almost like the virtue of what you think by itself is in its nature anti-Semitic.

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So another thing that Owen, like Owen is trying to say, like, hey, it's so obvious that criticisms

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of Israel aren't anti-Semitic.

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Right.

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Right.

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Just by, it's not definitionally the case that that is.

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Yes.

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Unfortunately, Charlie Kirk in 2019 seemed to conflate the two.

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I am as in the conservative movement as one could probably be.

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Anyone who is even a smidgen anti-Israel or anti-Semitic has no place in the American

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conservative movement, nowhere.

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And I denounce them.

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And so do all of our leaders, every elected representative.

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Huh?

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Well, that's weird.

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You're sure being mean to the corpse of Charlie Kirk today, huh?

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No, I'm not.

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I'm letting him have his perspective.

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Right.

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But that's really mean because if you look at him for who he is, you kind of think, well,

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fuck that guy.

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I might think that guy, but I thought that when he was alive.

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Exactly.

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I didn't like him to begin with.

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Exactly.

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It's almost like everything after he's dead has been very performative from everybody.

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From a lot of these fucks.

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Yep.

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So Owen's playing some clips of Netanyahu and just trying to make himself mad.

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Sure.

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Yeah, why not?

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It's just, it's such bad Alex shit.

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You know about that tech.

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About that tech.

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Where's the money really coming from?

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Where is the investment really coming from?

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Qui bono.

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Where are the production standards really being propped up from?

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Bebe.

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This is business expenditure on R and D funded from abroad.

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So this is by country.

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How much is funded from abroad in your economy?

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Well, this is clearly the winner of the United States.

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Naturally.

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This is an absolute price is 2023.

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Let me tell you.

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So in other words, we just, we prop up your entire tech industry.

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So Netanyahu admits it.

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The United States props up the entire Israel tech industry.

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We prop up their military.

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We prop up their security.

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We prop up their healthcare.

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We prop up their education.

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We prop up their tech industry.

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So that's you needing us.

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Is it, wait, wouldn't it be nice to have those expenditures right here at home?

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You know, that's what people are realizing.

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We're struggling.

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Our infrastructure is collapsing.

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Our streets are getting more violent.

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Our homelessness and poverty rates are rising.

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And yet we keep sending all this money overseas.

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The biggest benefactor of which being Israel.

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People are just sick of it.

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People are sick of it and they need a new house to podcast from.

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I mean, man.

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So in that clip that Owen plays, Netanyahu's standing in front of a chart that's titled

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quote, most major tech companies have their largest R and D centers outside the United

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States located in Israel.

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Then there's a sub headline quote, business expenditure on R and D funded from abroad.

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On this chart, the U.S. is the top by a wide margin, which reflects other countries investing

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in R and D centers in the United States.

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That is money that's coming into the United States.

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What Owen's complaining about is exactly what he wants it to be.

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What the title of this graph is saying is that other than the United States, Israel

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comes in second in terms of R and D centers and it's not close.

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Owen has entirely misinterpreted the graph, what it says.

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And even if it is true that the U.S. invests a lot of money in Israel, which we do, the

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source that he's using doesn't say this.

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And he forgot to crop out the I24 news chyron at the bottom of the screen that says quote,

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Netanyahu addresses Israel's economic isolation.

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This is just like on its face, no effort.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And kind of a lack of understanding of a lot of stuff.

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Because in my experience generally speaking, if you have been giving several tens of hundreds

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of billions of dollars consistently over the past my entire lifetime, it's probably

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because you get something out of it more than it is them.

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Sure.

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And then, you know, there's reciprocal investment on both countries' parts.

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Like I'm not sitting here saying that we don't have a lot of money that goes to Israel.

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In many ways, from, you know, whether it's public stuff or from private corporations.

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All I'm saying is that the source that Owen's trying to use here says the opposite of what

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he's pretending it says and he doesn't seem to realize it.

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That's all.

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It's just...

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He can't make a good point because he sucks.

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Right.

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I mean, and they can't...

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You have to look for two seconds and think...

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Like how do you not just go, I wonder if that actually says what I think it says.

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I usually ask myself when I see something, what does this mean?

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Right?

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And that's foreign to them.

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I ask myself that on street signs in Chicago, where I have lived for the past 20 years.

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Right?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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For years, the guy who signs Owen's checks, he just like took dumb shit that he saw on

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Twitter and made up stories about what he thought it meant.

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And so like, why wouldn't Owen think he can too?

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Like he has seen greatness in sloppy, lazy, no effort bullshit.

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He thinks like, I got the goods too.

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Yeah.

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You don't.

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Sorry, man.

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Sorry.

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You know what he should try and do?

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He should try and start a feud with us.

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That would be a move for him.

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No, because we're trying to help him.

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I know, that's the problem.

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He'd be like, ah, these guys just talk shit about me.

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And it's like, no man, we're giving you good feedback.

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Constructive workshop criticism.

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I genuinely wish we had gotten some sort of feedback of this level and quality.

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Yeah.

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Keep that gold sales going.

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It's literally printing money.

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It could not be more of a, you give me 10 and I'll give you five.

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Yep.

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God, it's good.

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Yeah, that's good.

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So we got one last clip.

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All right.

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I would say there's a fucking elephant in the room.

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Yeah.

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And that is, yeah, no shit.

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He hasn't talked about Alex.

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One big elephant in the room and there has been this whole fucking show.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And guess what?

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He doesn't really talk about Alex.

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God damn it.

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Boy, does he explicitly talk about Alex in this next clip.

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Check out these coughs that are strategically placed.

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All right.

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Everybody can sense that something is still not right.

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Everybody can sense that there's something really dark and sinister hovering now over

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this administration.

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Everybody can sense it.

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Everybody can feel it.

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Everybody knows it.

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And believe this, a lot of the big MAGA accounts that you see out there that are pushing the

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pro-Trump, pro-MAGA stuff, pro-Republican stuff, these are paid promotions.

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These are just political commercials on social media now.

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Behind the scenes folks, they know.

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They know.

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But it's their job.

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It's how they make their money.

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It's how they make their living.

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It's how they make their income.

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But behind the scenes, they know.

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They know.

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And I guess I'll actually say this in closing, because I'm telling you, this pressure

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cooker with free speech, folks, they can't have it.

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There's too much pressure.

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There's too many conversations.

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It's threatening the establishment too much.

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I think something big is coming in response.

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But it's funny because I watch...

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You can kind of see now, and this is not to say somebody is better than the other.

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This is just...

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I'm just telling you what's happening here.

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And if you really pay attention, you can see it.

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You have people in, let's say the independent media, the new social media, okay, that do

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political commentary and everything else.

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And you have people in that realm that are totally bought and paid for.

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Totally bought and paid for.

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And you could even say in the larger political media body, you have people that are literally

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just bought and paid for.

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Who knows what their politics are?

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Their politics or whoever pays them the most.

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And that's why there are different instances you can see of people being on the right and

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then people being on the left and then on the right and then on the left.

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It just depends where they're working or who they're working for.

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So there's a ton of these people out there that they just work for whoever pays them.

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Their politics just land at whoever's paying their bills.

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They don't really have any principles.

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And you're seeing a lot of these individuals really getting defensive, aggressive, because

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they know that the gig is up.

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Oh my God.

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So there's an elephant in the room.

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And I think if you're in Owen's position and you're talking like this and you don't explicitly

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say, I'm not talking about my boss that I just had a really ugly breakup with.

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I think you're saying that you're talking about him.

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I think it's pretty clear.

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Yeah.

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You know, in this space, in this like hyper male centric space, right?

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It always fascinates me when people don't understand when you have to do the man stuff.

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Right?

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You can't be in this space and go, somebody, you know, somebody who is maybe hint, hint,

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right?

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Like that's no, Alex is like, I'm going to eat.

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I will fucking kill your family.

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And then I will burn them underneath my God damn cat.

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I don't care.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and when, when I have, uh, when I have vanquished your bloodline, I will spark a

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fire with your bones.

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Exactly.

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Your turtle.

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You have to recognize that the man thing in your world is crushed your enemies, see them

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driven before you and hear the limitations of the women and take that like, it's true.

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Like you're fucking cash Patel and it makes sense to go see in valhalla dickwad.

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Like you're crazy.

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Yeah.

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It's like, um, there is a dominance display that has happened and that is Alex screaming

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at you and being like, you fucking piece of shit.

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You got a demon in you.

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And like what you're doing is you're signaling that you've lost.

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There's a bird and that bird is going to fuck Alex and you are going to go back to your

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little hole and you're going to cry.

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You are not the bird that gets laid.

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I don't think that the world works this way.

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And I really, really don't like it.

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And I don't treat people this way, but this is how their world works.

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This is your, if you're going to live, he's the cuck destroyer.

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He's acting like a cuck.

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You are a cuck.

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You got destroyed you little cuck.

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Oh God.

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Just scream at Alex.

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That's all like, there's no win if you're going to do this, but I do think it's really

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funny.

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Yeah.

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I think, I think the clearing the throat is so funny.

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I don't understand the lack of awareness for when you are participating in your own humiliation.

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You know, like if you're going to not be humiliated in this way, just don't do the stream.

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I wonder if Alex has like tapes from security cameras and info wars of like Owen saying

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the N word and like all kinds of crazy shit.

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Anything.

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Like, I wonder if there is just that and he's like, ugh.

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And Alex is spiteful and crazy enough to just throw him out there.

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And he's also protective enough to not do that if he doesn't have to.

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Yep.

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If he can just scream that he's going to eat you.

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Yep.

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He'll do that.

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Yep.

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And if anybody can see when that Alex's dominance bullshit is hollow, it should be you.

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You've sat next to him and Nick Fuentes is Alex like supplicates himself.

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Yeah.

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He's he and Paul Joseph Watson sat next to him while Alex was wasted on air rambling,

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making no sense.

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Oh my God.

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And like he's even kind of saying in that clip that it's hollow.

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Yeah.

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Like he's saying that he's bought and paid for.

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And look, he doesn't say this is Alex.

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Right.

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He also isn't saying it's not.

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It has to be.

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He was required to say that in that circumstance.

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Yes.

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Or else there's a fucking elephant in the room.

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All these people are fucking saying that anyways.

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Right?

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How could I guess even from that description which one is which?

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Oh, some of them are bought and paid for.

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They are all behaving identical.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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For the most part.

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So maybe the ones who are stupid are the ones who are doing it for free.

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Or for gold memberships.

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All right, Dan, seriously, give me $10 and then next month I will mail you $8.

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This is too good to pass up.

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I feel, see what I like about this is getting mail.

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I think that's part of it.

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I think that is part of it.

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It feels good to see something addressed to me even if it is of lesser monetary value

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than what I paid for it.

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I still think of the, do you remember the Taskmaster season where the guy revealed that

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he had a cloud of the day subscription and he paid like a dollar a month and they email

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you a picture of a cloud every morning.

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And that was it.

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And I was like, that is, that's dumb.

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That's terrible value.

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But you know what?

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I curated for you.

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That's fine.

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It's to make you happy.

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And this is by design a scam.

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So we will be back for another episode.

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I have this weird feeling that like I kind of may do more Owen.

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I think Owen's got to change.

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Owen's got to grow.

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Owen's got to do something.

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He does, but he has a slight awareness that there's that need.

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Sure.

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That's what's interesting about him is like he is at a crossroads where we could see him

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like take on a challenge or we could see him continue to do whatever this is.

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I mean, I would find it really interesting if I thought for a moment that there was the

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possibility that we would see an egg hatch into an Eagle.

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Right.

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But I don't see any possibility of that, especially after a little coughing fit here.

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Yeah.

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No, it seems incredibly unlikely.

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But there's a chance.

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It would actually be an interesting thing to witness.

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To see him go from being the pathetic loser that this is to being something more than

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that.

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Well, I mean, the alternative is just, you know, like keeping on watching Alex all the

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time.

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So I'll take this as a little bit of a diversion.

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I want them to fight.

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For fuck sakes, grow up and fight like babies.

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Yeah, fight like a true Limp Bizkit fan.

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Absolutely.

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Speaking of which, I forgot to mention this.

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He does play that Limp Bizkit song again at the end of the show.

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I believe it.

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Yeah, because he's that dude.

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Well, one good turn deserves another.

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He's that dude.

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He's just that dude.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So anyway, we'll be back with the now Owen Schroyer branded podcast.

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I don't know.

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But...

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Oh, we call it Noen Schroyer.

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That's not bad.

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That's not bad.

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It could be worse for something that I just thought up in zero seconds.

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It's definitely better than the Owen report.

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Anyway, we'll be back.

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Until then, we have a website.

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We do, untilintrud.com.

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Yep, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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I am the mysterious professor.

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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.