Transcript/1073: Farewell, Sweet Ding-Dong
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Owen is busting his ass, doing more than I ever did at his age.
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And I hope he can pull you over shadow soon when I'm done.
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Owen Schroyer, they've already had your mic attacked.
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That's in the news.
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You were just attacked.
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He's trying to harass me right now.
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Oh, still, still, still.
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Let's talk to him.
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Let's go talk to him.
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Because I know somebody screamed at Roger that he was a traitor.
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Don't touch me.
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Don't touch my mic.
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They're attacking him.
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He didn't touch them.
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They assaulted him.
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They have been trained for this.
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We've got a lot of cameras on you.
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Listen to me.
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I'm going to go to break for three minutes.
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You guys said it's a lie.
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Anybody?
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He wants to try to humanize them and talk to them.
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He gets baited.
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And I'm not Matt and Owen.
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This is real TV and radio.
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So you're in front of all the news cameras.
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It's like I'm a ghost trying to talk to the living.
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That's what it's supposed to be like.
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Like, you know, your child is using fentanyl.
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I'm a ghost.
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I saw it.
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Go take it away.
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It's under their bed.
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They don't hear me.
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Owen, speak to the news cameras about what happened to Roger.
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He doesn't even have his earpiece in his ear.
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Cut away.
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But it's OK.
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It's just how it always works.
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So that's that.
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No more coverage from Owen Schroyer.
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They say something to him.
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He's got to respond to him.
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And then that's the end of it.
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So do your own live feed, Owen.
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You're doing a great job.
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This is what the fake news has done to this country.
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This is what the democ.
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Did they just grab our mic?
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We just lost audio.
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Let Owen know what they need to reconnect.
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The wire got pulled out.
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Can you give a statement for Alex Jones?
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Fuck you.
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OK.
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That's what you get, Alex.
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That's what you get, Alex.
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That's what you get, Alex.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We are a couple dudes.
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We just like to sit around, worship at the altar of sleep,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Having a little giggle attack because we had not
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listened to that DJ Dan Arky new remix.
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Absolute gold.
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Oh my god.
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Great.
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What wonderful stuff.
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This world, all right, you used to have to wait weeks, nay,
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months for someone to put together music that would be
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a modicum of good at that.
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Then they have to put it in a wax cylinder.
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Absolutely.
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And send it over by horse carriage.
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Less than 24 hours, this motherfucker has ripped audio
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from the goddamn world and turned it into something
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amazing.
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Owen Schroyer announced that he'd quit at Info Wars less
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than 24 hours before we're recording right now.
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Wild.
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Yesterday was a day.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Thank you, Dan Arky.
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That was amazing.
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That was amazing.
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How could that not be a bright spot?
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I mean, there can be no greater bright spot than that.
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Yeah.
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But arguably, I would say that today is a tough day
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to have a bright spot.
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Yeah.
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Because the world is a little dimmer.
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A little darker.
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Because Owen Schroyer is no longer an info warrior.
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Does that, does that, interesting.
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What if you're removing a shade?
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Does that mean that there is a more light?
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It's brighter out.
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I don't know.
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Why don't you ask Bill Gates what's
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going to happen when he removes the blocking of the sun?
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The blocking of the sun.
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That's a good point.
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Mm-hmm.
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Well, I mean, would it not be brighter?
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Because it would just raise the level of normal.
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Sure.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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So it would have to be, yeah.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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OK, look.
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Here's the situation.
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I'm abstaining from a bright spot and reverence
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for Owen Schroyer.
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OK.
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Do you have a bright spot?
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No.
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I mean, if one, if then the other.
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I think that makes the most sense.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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Yeah.
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I went through so many emotions in figuring out
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what I was going to do.
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Yeah.
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I thought about The Sound of Silence.
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Sure.
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I thought about Michelle Branch's great song,
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Goodbye to You.
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Fair enough.
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There's a lot of farewell type songs.
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There are quite a few.
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A lot of needle drops I was thinking about making,
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but I decided none of them.
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How many songs have Owen in them?
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An Owen.
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How many songs refer to an Owen?
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Is there a Taylor Swift?
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Does Taylor Swift talk about an Owen in her life?
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You listened to all of her albums and reviewed them.
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That was a long time ago.
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You should know with anyone.
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I listened to them.
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Throw it away.
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I know the hits.
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All right.
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She doesn't mention Owen in Blank Space.
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No, I can't remember an Owen.
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Owen was not trouble when he walked in.
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Hmm.
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Nope.
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Look, hey, shit's tough.
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Yeah.
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Shit's tough.
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And we've got an episode today to talk about what
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has happened in the last, I mean,
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it's not just the last 24 hours, really.
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This is a culmination of some things that have been
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bubbling under the surface.
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And, oh, what a mess.
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What a mess.
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All right.
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So we'll get down to business on some of that.
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Oh.
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But first, let's take a little moment
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to say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, sorry for dragging you into this bronco.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Brian, the 44-year-old former Mormon father of six
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faithfully and fastidiously making
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his way through the Full Knowledge Fight Catalog.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And Is-Ama-Dian-E-Alex, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I decided not to cheat.
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Yeah.
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Because there is phonetic spelling after it.
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Yeah.
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I gave you the opportunity.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I was off.
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Yep.
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And we get a technocrat in the mix.
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So thank you so much, too.
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Charlie Sheetz says trans rights.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you very much.
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So Jordan, we've really, we've hit the ground running.
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Right.
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I think that the intro theme song and just some sort
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of palpable excitement has made it
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so we can't, we started with a piece of information
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as if everybody already knows.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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The news for us is monumental, but it is also possible
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that somebody maybe doesn't just know.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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This isn't automatically.
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It wasn't like a U2 album that gets sent to everyone's phone.
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I like that reference.
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Wasn't that like 20 years ago now?
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Probably.
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It's the only time I can think of that an album was
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forced on everyone.
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That is a good point.
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Well, the backlash to it was pretty severe.
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Yeah.
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There was no like push notification,
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Amber Alert situation that Owen Troyer had
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left his job at Info Wars.
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Right, right, right.
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And that was announced September 1st, Labor Day.
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Labor Day.
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On one level, I feel a little conflicted
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about the whole thing, especially the timing of it.
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It's coming out that it's news on Labor Day,
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and I'm supposed to be celebrating a guy not working.
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I mean, there is that.
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The irony is.
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He's leaving his job.
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It's there.
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I'm tortured.
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Yeah.
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So Owen sucks a lot, and he doesn't
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have the goods to make it on his own in the hypercompetitive
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world of right wing propaganda and supplement sales.
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So his departure from Info Wars really seems like a big shock.
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He'd been through so much with Alex, and he'd never left.
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He was there through Trump losing in 2020.
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He was there as COVID happened.
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He was there on January 6th, and he ended up going to jail.
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He gave a deposition in the Sandy Hook case
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where attorney Bill Ogden got him to say that he was a puppet.
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He was there as Alex said, idly buy and let Gene Hackman die.
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He watched his position as Alex's heir apparent
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get usurped by Chase Geyser and then again by Nick Fuentes.
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And through all of that, he didn't leave.
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But now he's gone.
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Obviously, good riddance and rest and piss and all that shit.
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But for real, this is a major moment
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in Info Wars' trajectory.
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Owen came to Info Wars in the period around the 2016
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election, and he'd got Alex's attention
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by being the guy who would go out to protest and antagonize
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people.
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He'd get into fights and just post
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the parts that made him look smart and cool on YouTube,
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which earned him the title of the cuck destroyer.
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In some ways, this is kind of the next generation evolution
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of Alex's whole thing.
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He made a name for himself by antagonizing people
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with a bullhorn and by selectively editing videos
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in a way that made him look like a crusading hero.
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Alex made a big scene on camera at the DMV
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when he refused to get thumb scanned,
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but he was sure not to record the part where he came back
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later and went along with the process
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because he needed to get his driver's license to go to work.
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I mean, everybody needs a driver's license.
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I'm not crazy.
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Come on, what are you going to do?
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Yeah, what are you, crazy?
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Owen was playing the same sort of game,
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but in the new generation, it was much crueler.
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And his version really only worked
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when he was able to make someone else look like a fool.
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So he built a name for himself by giving other people
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he included in his videos names, like Aids Skrillex
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and all of these side characters.
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Man, there's a resume in there, huh?
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And he made it to the big leagues.
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Alex brought him in, and over the years since,
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Owen has got less and less interesting by the day
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as he became a piece of the furniture at Infowars.
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He's gotten older and less brash, which dampens
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the whole cuck destroyer thing.
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He's hosted The War Room for years, and no one cares.
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It's not syndicated on radio stations.
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He doesn't have other sponsors than Alex's dumb shit.
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And the show garners so little respect
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that Steve Bannon decided to call his show The War Room,
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and he forced Alex to be OK with it.
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Used the same name.
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Disrespect.
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Just took it.
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Owen should have quit long ago, but there was nowhere to go.
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He's not that talented, but he also
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just doesn't have a place.
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He's a news anchor, or at least he thinks that he is.
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And that's a job that no one needs anymore.
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And unfortunately for Owen, the audience
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that he's cultivated particularly
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despises news anchors.
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Anchors are exactly what their name implies.
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They anchor the show.
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They hold it in place and keep things where they need to be.
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They're boring, and their personality
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is not a relevant factor in whether or not
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they're doing a good job.
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And they don't exist in right wing media.
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Right wing media can only exist based on constant motion.
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I've made the metaphor of a Jesus lizard before,
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or Wile E. Coyote running off a cliff.
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As long as they keep moving, they don't fall.
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The second you acknowledge that the ground isn't solid,
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you're done.
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So you have to keep moving.
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Every headline you come across is actually
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about some other story, and it all connects.
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If you just keep talking, people will forget what you were saying,
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and it doesn't matter that none of it makes sense.
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This media format is based on chaos and motion,
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whereas an anchor is the embodiment of stability
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and steadiness.
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Owen has always thought that he was being an anchor,
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but he doesn't realize that that's
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a vestigial position in the media field that he works in.
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On the one hand, what an anchor does
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hurts the process of Info Wars style media.
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But on a more important level, the audience
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distrusts anchors and inherently feels like they're liars.
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Alex yells about how all the people in the news
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are like their teleprompter readers,
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being fed globalist scripts.
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And a big part of that is just attacking them
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for being professional.
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They don't have emotional outbursts on air
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and rant about sci-fi movies they kind of remember,
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because that's not their job.
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Their job is to deliver information
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in an understandable and concise manner.
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But that detachment from baser human impulses
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can look like deception to suspicious minds,
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and Alex preys on those suspicious minds.
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The entire ecosystem that Info Wars represents
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is built in opposition to that, the dinosaur media, the MSM.
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And their audience doesn't want dry news readers and anchors.
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They want personalities.
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They want drama and excitement.
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Alex didn't hire Owen because he did solid work at the sports
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station that he worked at before.
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He hired him because he posted videos
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where he made fun of leftists and tried to make them cry.
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But I don't think Owen has ever fully understood that,
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that that is why he got hired.
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And that not understanding is part
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of what makes him so painfully uninteresting as an Info Wars
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host.
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Owen thinks he's a news anchor, and it's probably
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because he was a straight sports guy before he
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got hired at Info Wars.
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But he gave up that whole thing.
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That whole thing is gone to pursue the path
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that he decided to take instead.
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He bullied people and made fun of people at protests,
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and that opened the door to Info Wars for him.
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And when he stepped through that door, there were no anchors.
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There are no straight up reporters.
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There are personalities and characters
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working to push the narrative and sell pills.
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So right now, he's either completely fucked
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or he's perfectly situated to exploit the current situation
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in the world.
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Alex is blowing up his own ship and ruining
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whatever legacy he thought he might be able to hold on to.
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He's cheerleading Trump's clear police state actions
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and clearly signaling that Trump covering up
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the Epstein stuff isn't important enough
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for him to care about.
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But he's also about to lose his company.
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And with it, he's going to lose the Info Wars name and brand.
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Alex is weak because of the consequences he's suffering,
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but also because he's making decisions
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that cut against the grain of the worldview he's sold.
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And he's also promoting Nazi shit.
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And that's where Owen's dilemma falls.
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As it stands, Alex can't appeal to the Nazi types
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in his audience by pretending to be one of them.
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That's a lost cause.
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He has too much baggage.
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He could never really convince them he's cool.
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But Owen could.
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Owen could market himself as the guy who left Info Wars
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because Alex wasn't letting him speak freely.
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Alex wouldn't let him name names and call out the Jews.
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He could craft a new space for himself,
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but it would mean being a pretty open Nazi
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and completely burning Alex.
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On the flip side, he could notice Alex's clear drift
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towards anti-Semitic shit and towards supporting
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the police state and everything Info Wars
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is supposed to be against,
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and brand himself as the real Info Wars.
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Alex lost his way and got caught up chasing power,
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and Trump's cult of personality seduced him
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into forgetting his principles.
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But Owen remembers.
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He tried to make it work on the inside
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until the point where Alex was clearly irredeemable,
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and he just had to quit.
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Owen didn't leave the party, the party left him.
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He could do that.
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These are the two paths that could work for him,
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but ultimately neither are really gonna get him that far.
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He sucks, and no one would have ever heard his name
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if he hadn't gotten hired at Info Wars,
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so that level of talent is gonna even things out eventually.
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If he tries to become a Nazi guy,
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he's not gonna be the best Nazi guy in that immediate space.
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If he tries to be the real Info Wars guy,
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he's not gonna be great at that either.
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He has a fairly short window
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where he's anything other than just another guy.
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For a little while, he gets to be the guy who left Info Wars,
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and if he capitalizes on that right,
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he might be able to buy a little bit of time,
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but it's not gonna last.
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He's an anchor in a media space that doesn't need anchors,
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and he's not good enough of an Alex impersonator
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to stand out on his own as a personality in this space.
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So I wish Owen the least safe of travels
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in his future endeavors, but the question remains,
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why did he quit?
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Did he quit?
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That's what he says.
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He quit. Yeah.
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I would argue that based on his telling of the story
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that we're gonna get through later, I think he was fired.
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Yeah, I think he was, I, okay.
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So here's what I know, all right?
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Somebody sent us an email with the heading,
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Owen leaves Info Wars, which is very frustrating
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because I almost didn't know about it.
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I almost made it.
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Imagine if you didn't know when you got here.
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Oh, because I just, I've left the internet
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almost entirely, you know?
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Like I could have escaped.
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Oh, that's so, and it's frustrating, but I get it.
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I wonder if you, could you have processed
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that information in the moment?
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In the moment? I don't know.
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Owen Troyer's gone.
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I mean, cause I still kind of can't in a way,
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unless, here's what I'd say, right?
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You, maybe you have some friends in the old radio.
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It's easy to change your name,
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especially to a nom to radio.
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Well, his name is Jonathan.
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There you go.
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Go somewhere else, pretend you never went to Info Wars,
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do sports again.
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Jonathan, whatever your mom's maiden name is.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Leave it all behind and just be like,
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man, the pats, and that's it.
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Just do that, perfect.
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Your life is 10 times better.
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Yeah. Right?
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I mean, honestly, we're gonna talk a little bit about,
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Owen taking some calls and a few of these people
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brought up sports things and he lit up like a Christmas tree.
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Of course he did.
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So like- How great is it?
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But here's the problem, right?
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Wasn't he making almost like 150, 200 grand?
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Like he was making a shit ton of money.
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I don't remember the precise numbers,
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but I remember being shocked.
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We were all like, no, you shouldn't be paying him that much.
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You would not be commanding the salary anywhere else.
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Yeah, absolutely not.
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And yeah, and I think that that's part of the trouble.
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Yeah.
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But why do you quit?
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I wanna know, I don't know why he quit.
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I don't know why he quit.
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He's put up with so many humiliations in the past so far.
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Like it just doesn't seem like,
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it would have to be something fairly major.
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I mean, I suppose,
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if you wanted attention,
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like if you wanted to do some attention seeking right now
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before Info Wars is completely gone with hopefully a whimper,
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make a blow up, you know, make a big fight.
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And then, you know, Owen can get his like,
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the New York Times reporters are slobbering over like,
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oh, why does Alex suck pieces?
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Those are gonna be everywhere.
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Well, maybe if he goes along with it.
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That's a choice that he can make.
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Based on like the, you know,
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choice that he can make.
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Based on what I've seen from what he's put out,
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I don't think that that's the direction that he wants to go.
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So I don't know if those pieces will be written.
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Go back to space.
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He might talk to somebody on background or something,
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but like, I don't know if he wants to do like a
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Josh Owen style article.
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That's what you do.
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That's the move.
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It would be a move to do.
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But I think that that would hurt him.
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Like there is no audience to chase in that direction.
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Right.
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You would get a little bit of momentary attention
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out of like schadenfreude from New York Times readers.
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Like, haha, I knew they were full of shit.
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Yep.
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Or whatever, but it wouldn't last.
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Those people wouldn't come over to you.
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No, because two weeks later you get back together.
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Sure.
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It's no big deal.
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And the only audience you have to chase is further right.
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Right.
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The only real audience that's relevant
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that Owen could be tapping into is like,
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just admit you mean Jews when you say globalists.
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That's really the only people he has to look for.
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Right.
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And trying anything else or trying to be closer
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to like mainstream respectability.
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Ridiculous.
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Is gonna be like the audience that you could have captured
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is just gonna be like, oh, you left to sell out even more.
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Yeah.
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Or whatever.
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All right, how about this?
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You send him out for a couple weeks
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to come back with a new persona, like a wrestler.
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That'd be great.
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He's gone a couple of weeks and then all of a sudden
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we've got new Owen.
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Who's this Jacques character?
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Right?
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He's got a mustache, he speaks French.
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He's going deep.
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Jacques Schroer.
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What?
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Yeah.
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Kiss, kiss, a pass.
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Hell yeah, it's about time somebody took it to the French.
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Test-a-le-libs.
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Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee.
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No, I do wanna say one thing before we even get
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into any of this.
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Sure.
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I don't exclude the possibility that maybe this is a prank
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of some sort.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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And that Owen hasn't quit or whatever.
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This is all work.
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Sure, who knows?
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Whatever.
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If that's the case, then good on you.
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All of my insults still stand and I still think
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all of these things about all of you.
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Either way, I don't actually care about this.
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You didn't prank me and get one over on me.
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This is fun or it could not be happening.
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I find no difference between the two.
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Yeah.
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So I wanted to understand the situation
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and what was going on.
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So what I decided to do was, let's go look at the last
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full day that Owen was at the war room.
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Okay.
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And see if we can find any clues in his coverage.
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We're doing a Rashomon.
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Well, I mean, it's the last piece of evidence.
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Right.
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That's there.
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Right.
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So we're starting here on the 26th.
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That was a Tuesday.
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Last Tuesday was his last day fully at the war room desk.
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I mean, I don't know how else to explain it.
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The Trump administration is going fascist.
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I mean, it's fashlight is what we're calling it.
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I mean, getting a 10% stake in Intel.
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Now they're looking at getting stakes
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in these defense contractors.
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So when it comes to applied politics,
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I am more of a pragmatist than anything else.
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I mean, myself personally, I'm a conservative.
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Myself personally, I'm on the right,
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maybe a little socially liberal,
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but I don't live in a tyranny.
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I'm not a dictator.
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So you have to be pragmatic.
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So I'm not somebody that comes on here
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as a big anti-fascist,
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but it certainly is a concerning thing.
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Now I don't see the big Antifa movements
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out in the streets now, ironically enough.
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They never were!
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Going fascist.
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Well, he's wishy-washy on fascism.
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It does feel like you could,
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I feel like it's a safe place to just be like,
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I'm not Antifa, but I am not cool with fascism.
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Yeah, I feel like that's a real safe position to have,
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unless you're worried that a large portion of your audience
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is kind of into fascism.
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I'm gonna say this.
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I would argue that perhaps the most American thing
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you could possibly do is be like, no fascism, thank you.
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Yeah, it gets out of hand real fast.
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I think that it's shocking to hear him just say
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that Trump is going fascist,
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because pretty, like almost objectively,
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you could see that as a negative.
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And maybe Owen doesn't mean it
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as just a full out and out negative thing,
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but it's not what you would expect to hear from Alex.
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Alex isn't gonna say that Trump is going fascist.
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No, and it's a level of, what would I say?
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If you can see this now,
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what else could you have been seeing?
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You know what I mean?
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Why now is this a thing?
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Because this is not a new thing.
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No.
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No, it's weird.
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It's a little bit surprising, especially the language,
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but it doesn't work.
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No.
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So he talks a little bit more
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and seems to think that Trump is lying about everything.
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Well, yeah.
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I just don't get it.
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Yeah.
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I really don't.
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When Trump comes out and says how great the economy is doing
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and how all the prices are lowered,
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and I'm just like, is anybody seeing this?
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I'm genuinely asking, is anybody seeing this?
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It's definitely not here.
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Not here in Austin, Texas.
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I mean, gas prices are down a little bit
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from the Biden administration.
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A little bit.
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It's not really budget changing.
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The grocery bills are certainly not down.
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If anything, they might be up,
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I guess, depending on what you purchase.
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Wow.
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And then just generally speaking,
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energy bills aren't going down here either.
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So I don't know what he's talking about with that.
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I don't know if that's somebody telling him
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that that's the case,
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or if somebody is feeding him numbers
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that are isolated in some area that's doing better.
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I don't know.
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If it's an average,
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nobody's telling me this is going on.
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So I'm gonna get Ed Dowd's opinion.
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You know, I'm just gonna do this on there.
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Hey guys, I got some weird noise in the studio.
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Can somebody just come in here
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and figure out what this is?
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This is bothering the hell out of me.
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Don't worry if you're in the background here.
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It sounds like it's right behind me.
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Sorry to do that.
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It sounds like there's a rat
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running around the screens behind me.
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Anyway, that's fun.
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Maybe you might catch a rat live on air.
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Oh boy.
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So it's clear that Owen has a perspective
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that's kind of unwelcome at InfoWars.
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He's able to accurately call Trump
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taking 10% stake in Intel fascism,
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and he's able to see through the dear leader's lies
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about how well the policies are all going.
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This isn't good because if it's allowed to continue,
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he and Alex are gonna drift further and further apart,
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and it's gonna be too clear that one of them is lying,
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or one of them is lying more and worse.
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But I'm curious about the sound issue
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that Owen's describing.
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I'm sure that he's actually hearing
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some kind of weird interference,
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but considering this is his last full show,
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it's interesting that he's talking about them
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catching a rat live on air.
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It's accidental poetry, Jordan.
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Yeah, there's something to be said there.
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Yeah.
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Or maybe he was just like,
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man, this place is really shit now.
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They have not done anything,
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and we're so covered with rats, that's probably more.
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Is that worse?
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Think about it this way, right?
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You can be embarrassed.
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You can be cucked by Alex, by so many people.
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You can be replaced by Chase Geyser.
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But man, if there's 15 rats around you, it's time to go.
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Yeah, it's a sign.
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But I also think that that is a perfect clip
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that I wouldn't think twice about if I just heard.
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But because it's the last day, his last full shift,
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it's just fun. It is interesting.
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It's just fun.
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Here's what I don't like.
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I don't like having to confront the possibility
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that he did not always know that Trump was lying
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or that Trump was a liar.
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No, I'm sure he knew.
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Yeah.
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I'm sure he understood that.
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That can't not be the case.
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And yet here we are.
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I think he's lying.
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Yeah.
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What are you doing?
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I think that he just...
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I have a functioning theory.
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Okay.
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I think that he thought he had more clout than he did.
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Ooh.
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I think that he thought he could pull some weight around.
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He thought that Alex valued him a little bit more
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than he actually did.
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Right, right.
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He thought maybe he could let the company line
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be the company line and step out
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and say what he wants to say.
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Yeah, and do other things.
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Differentiate himself.
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Yeah, I think that being second banana at Info Wars
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made him feel like he might have value
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outside of the company.
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Right.
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Not realizing it's an artificial environment.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And so I think that's what got him in trouble.
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And I think it might be part of what is allowing him
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to speak about this freely on the show.
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Not understanding that he's Encino Man
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and that the moment he gets outside of the ice, he's fucked.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, okay.
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So he's on the show and he's mostly just doing
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the same stuff you would always expect.
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By the way, I wanna make another point
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about that young girl in Scotland
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standing up for herself against the Muslim invaders
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that of course they look at Western nations as weak.
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They're like, wow, you're just gonna let us
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come into your country and give us stuff for free?
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You're weak and pathetic.
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Are you gonna give us access to your daughters too?
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And then nobody stops him.
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Tommy Robinson tries, he goes to jail for years.
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So now this girl obviously knew this was gonna happen.
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That's why she brought a knife and a hatchet.
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She knew it was gonna happen.
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Now I'm gonna put that down for a second.
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I wanna switch to the trucker issue coming up here
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in five minutes, but we are gonna get back into that
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in a second here.
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And then I kind of teased the situation going on at Fox,
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which we've talked about before,
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but there's an interesting new development
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that might kind of, it could actually shake things up
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a little bit there.
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We'll have that coming up momentarily.
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Yeah.
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So a lot of the first hour of this show
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is Owen being really critical of Israel.
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He's far more able to directly criticize Netanyahu
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and the Israeli government than Alex,
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which is a stark difference between the two men's show.
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Alex dances around the question of whether or not
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there's a genocide being carried out
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against the Palestinian people.
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And he throws smoke bombs into every conversation
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about like Mossad doing 9-11
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or how Alex just doesn't want Palestinian refugees
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coming here.
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Conversely, Owen's able to speak more directly
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to the actual news events like hospitals being bombed
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and things like that.
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It makes him feel like he's doing radically different
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coverage than Alex,
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but he's actually doing mostly the same thing.
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I would have just left this alone
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and not even pointed it out,
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but I felt like I would be lying by omission
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if I didn't call it out,
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because I think that there's going to be a lot of people
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in the far right spaces that'll say that Owen got fired
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because he was too critical of Israel.
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If Owen wants to give his future career
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a better chance at success,
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he'll play into that too.
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That would be very smart of him.
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This is categorically not the reason
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that he and Alex would not be able
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to work together anymore though.
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His coverage of Israel is a little less convoluted
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and all over the place than Alex's,
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but nothing he's saying is really that out of sync
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with what you hear on InfoWars pretty regularly.
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And that's kind of what that clip embodies.
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It's kind of business as usual.
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Owen's still doing his job
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and covering white victimhood narratives
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the way he's supposed to
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and whipping the audience into a little bit
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of an emotional state in order to transition
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to a sales pitch.
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It's classic InfoWars shit
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and he clearly has no problem playing the games
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like he always has.
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Let us give you $10, please?
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That was the most, listening to that,
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one, made me feel like this man was talking to himself
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in the middle of, like I feel like this is,
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what makes the most sense for this type of stuff
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is for it to be on YouTube somewhere
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with like three views
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and maybe at the middle of the night you find it
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and you stumble upon it and you're like,
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does anybody even know about this guy?
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This is so weird, he's alone, why is he even doing this?
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But instead there's people, right?
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Like that's strange.
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But then to just be like, oh, hey, give a $10 on us.
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He does a little on us kind of thing.
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For nothing. Yeah.
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And you win a truck.
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Exactly, he puts a little oo on there.
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I mean, it's what Chase said on one of our recent episodes.
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It's a tough pitch.
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It is a tough pitch.
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Going from white genocide over into,
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hey, you want a truck and 10 free dollars?
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Sometimes I just wanna see if people are doing okay
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and then go to the pitch.
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So there's some talk about Kilmar Abrego Garcia
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and the Trump administration has apparently,
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they failed to send him to El Salvador,
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or they did and then he had to come back.
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Right.
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And now they wanna send him to Uganda.
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Sure.
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Trump administration might deport
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Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Uganda.
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Abrego Garcia detained by ICE
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as possible second deportation looms.
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So he was due in court in Tennessee
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and then he turned himself in to ICE
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where they detained him and are now
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threatening to send him to Uganda.
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Yeah, you know, for the 100 million foreigners
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that are here, I think it's just time to say,
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you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
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It's not personal, you know?
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It's not a personal thing,
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but we have to take care of our country.
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So that's a pretty tough argument to defend
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without being pretty direct about white nationalism.
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I think a lot of Owen's ability to say this kind of stuff
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depends on his use of that idiom,
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you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
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He uses that expression to make what he's saying
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sound normal, like it's just a common thing
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for someone to advocate.
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You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here
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is an expression that's used by bouncers
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to kick people out of bars at the end of the night.
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Yeah.
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This is a scenario where the bar is closing
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and everyone is going home.
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The staff needs to get everyone out
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because they have to clean up
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and then they go home themselves.
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No one is staying here.
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So the expression you don't have to go home,
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but you can't stay here is meant to be a playful way
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of saying our part in your night is over.
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The law says we can't serve alcohol past a certain hour
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and our business only exists to sell you alcohol,
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so goodbye.
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The situation Owen is describing is very different.
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He's saying that foreigners can't stay here,
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whereas other people are gonna be able
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to continue to stay here.
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The bar isn't closing,
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but some people aren't welcome anymore.
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Also, the bar isn't kicking people out,
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it's shipping them off to various other places.
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This bar is talking about sending someone to Uganda
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for no reason.
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What Owen is actually saying is that he's abandoned
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the pretense of caring where immigrants are sent
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when they're deported and no longer cares
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if they're treated as humans.
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Previously, they tried to pretend that it was important
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that people go back to the countries
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where their families are from,
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but now he doesn't even care to try
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and make it look like that matters.
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Abrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador,
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which was illegal because he had fled
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from El Salvador as a child.
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And the US government had stipulated
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that he couldn't be sent back there
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without putting him in danger.
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They just wouldn't allow it.
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So when the Trump administration sent him to a prison
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in El Salvador, they were forced to bring him back
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to the United States, which is a bit embarrassing,
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and now there's talk of sending him to Uganda.
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Owen's trying to dress this up with a folksy aphorism,
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but this isn't anything like a bar telling customers
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they need to get out because they're closing.
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This is a targeted discharge of certain customers
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while the bar remains open,
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where the bar isn't just letting them out into the street
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to go home if they like,
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but sending them to Africa for no reason.
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It's bullshit.
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I mean, listen, I understand all of that,
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but I'm frustrated because, and I hate to say this,
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I feel like the appropriate thing to say is
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you don't have to go home, but Uganda go.
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Yeah. That's right there.
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Well- It's right there.
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Yeah. It makes me frustrated
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that I can't focus on anything else
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until Uganda go is available to me.
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It's very frustrating.
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What?
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Okay.
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But Uganda go!
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Okay. It just works.
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It's just right there.
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This is a tough question I need to ask,
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and you need to be, you have to be brave in your response.
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Okay.
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Let's say that you're 100% opposed
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to Trump's immigration policies right now.
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Sure.
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If he just started winking and saying Uganda go
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and sending people randomly to Uganda,
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what percentage would it shift?
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What percentage would it shift?
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Would you get to be like 98% against?
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I mean, listen, playful discounts
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for a lot more than you might think.
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Wow.
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You just want to wink in a pond.
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I mean, it would be nice if he said Uganda stay,
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but if Uganda go, Uganda go!
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Terrible.
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So it turns out that Owen has a way
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that we could just not do these deportations then.
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Right.
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Wait, how are we doing that?
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Quiz show.
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Teleportation?
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They don't know what to do about that deal.
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Oh, we should protest him.
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We should not protest him.
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He's got a history of beating his wife.
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He's got a gang tattoos everywhere.
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Oh my gosh.
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He's just a Maryland father.
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Oh.
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Uganda.
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Uganda.
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I'll tell you what liberal.
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Okay.
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This'll be fun.
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All right.
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I'll tell you what liberal.
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Okay.
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You love this guy so much.
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Come here.
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In fact, I got a world map behind me.
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I got a world map over here.
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Okay.
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Show me liberal.
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Show me Uganda on a map.
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And if you can do that,
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we'll let Kilmar Obrego Garcia stay with you.
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That'll be a little gift for you.
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Okay.
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What?
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So that clip feels like Owen in a really deep way.
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It's so dumb in a very specific style
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that I can only describe as Shroyeresk.
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Yeah.
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He's trying to be funny.
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And I guess the ultimate point he's making
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is that liberals don't know where Uganda is on a map.
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And that's fun.
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I suppose.
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That's good and well.
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If that's the point.
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But in order to make this point,
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Owen has to say that if you can point to Uganda on a map,
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then Obrego Garcia can stay with you.
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What?
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What kind of immigration policy is that?
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If liberals just study basic geography,
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then all these people you think are so dangerous
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can stay in the country?
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It's stupid.
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Yeah.
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What's going on here is that Owen is married
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to aspects of right-wing entertainment
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into a really bad combination.
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This is one part Infowars host blowing hard
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and one part confrontational debate guy
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on a college campus.
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Sure.
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The confrontational debate guy does stuff
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like force the person they're debating
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to point to Uganda on a map,
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because if they can't, then they look dumb and weak.
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Sure.
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It's a tactic that relies on there being someone else there
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to humiliate.
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And when it works,
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you can use that to mask weak arguments
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that you're putting forth.
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The Infowars host blowing hard is the voice
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that's trying to come up with a way to say,
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hey liberals, you don't want this dangerous person
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staying with you.
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This is a tactic that's best used solo,
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because if you make this point to the wrong person
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and they say, I have no problem with someone
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like Obrego Garcia staying in my home,
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now you look weak.
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Owen is trying to use this debate guy trick
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to dress up his Infowars host point,
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and it just comes out looking like shit,
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because neither game is being played correctly.
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There's no one there to fail to point out Uganda,
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so you can't dunk on anybody.
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And the idea that if someone can point to Uganda on a map,
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then these immigrants can stay,
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it makes it seem like you really aren't that worried
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about the danger these people represent.
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It trivializes what's supposed to be a very important fear
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that is behind the Infowar.
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Owen sucks.
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And I think that this clip is a great representation of why.
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He's just not very good at any of this.
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And his teacher and mentor for the past almost decade
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has been Alex.
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A man whose only gifts are things that can't be taught.
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You can't, you have to be traumatized into being Alex.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Is it possible that Owen has just finally,
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like Alex was just, okay, how about this?
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Alex is like, fuck it.
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You know, they're gonna close the whole thing down anyways.
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I won't have to worry about any of this.
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But then he watches this show and he listens to that
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and he goes, you know what?
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He's fired, I can't deal with this shit anymore.
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That sucks.
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You know what?
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That sucked.
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Yes, I think that's possible.
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If Alex cared.
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I think that if you were in Alex's position
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and you're like, I have some standards,
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I gotta mind the store here, this is ridiculous.
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Then you would probably fire him.
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But he's the other guy at a one talent business.
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So the guy who's the one talent doesn't really care
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if this person's doing a good job or is funny or whatever.
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He just needs to be alive.
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Yeah, Jesus.
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Okay, how do we punch this up?
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I can't, this is the worst thing I've ever heard
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in my entire life.
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I refuse to take this on as a commission.
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If you can point to Uganda, then he can stay with you.
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All right?
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Am I being insulted here or is this a bet?
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Well, it's just a bad joke.
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Is it a joke?
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Well, I guess it would be a bet if there were someone there
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to either correctly or incorrectly point to Uganda.
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Right, right, right, right, right.
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He's betting that the other person wouldn't be able to
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and then he can laugh at them.
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Right, so I'm not insulted yet.
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Yeah.
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Which is a problem for an insult.
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It's gambling on an insult.
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Right, but you gotta follow it up with something
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that spices me, that gets me in the gut.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But also, for it to work as a joke,
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it doesn't really have much punch behind it.
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No.
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Because what about me knowing where Uganda is,
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what does that have to do with whether or not
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it's appropriate for Trump to deport someone
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to a random country that they're not from
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and they have no connection to?
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Right, or for it to somehow be a massive negative
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for them to stay with me.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's just, it's incomprehensible,
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but it has the sound and cadence
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of what they're supposed to sound like,
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which again, is why Oden sucks.
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Yeah.
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Maybe he just got fired for sucking.
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I mean, look, if so, it's overdue.
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Owens razor, ah?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Well, he shaved, has shaved in the past, but.
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So he is scared.
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He's a scared man who thinks that the United States
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is a war zone.
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Right.
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And therefore, we kinda gotta have a police state.
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Well, a Ukrainian refugee was here.
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I support this.
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I will admit it.
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This is very selfish of me, but can you blame me?
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I'm only a man.
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Irina Zarutska.
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If only she was somewhere else.
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Ukrainian refugee, 23 years old,
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who fled war for a safer life in the United States,
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knifed to death by homeless career criminal
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in North Carolina.
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To be clear, I think Owen's saying
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that he supports an attractive Ukrainian woman being here
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because she's attractive and he's a man,
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not her being murdered.
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Right.
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I don't think that he's saying that he's in favor
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of murdering her because she's a refugee.
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But again, he sucks so much, there's ambivalence there.
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He phrased it so poorly that it almost sounds like
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he's in favor of her murder.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I believe six previous arrests is what I had seen.
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Six previous arrests, and this woman is stabbed to death.
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Now, this isn't really ironic.
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You say, oh, she leaves a war zone
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to get stabbed to death in America.
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No, that's not really irony, folks.
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You know what that is?
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That's, we are in a war zone.
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What?
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Oh my gosh.
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It's crazy to hear.
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Yeah, that is a little disturbing.
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That is a little controversial even, but hold on a second.
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Guys, pull up, how many homicides are there
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in the United States every year?
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We're talking about just gun violence, knife violence.
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I mean, you're talking thousands.
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You're in the thousands.
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I don't know, I don't even remember.
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I don't even know if I sent the videos to the crew.
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I mean, folks, whatever is going on in Chicago right now
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is crazy.
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So no, it's not ironic that this young Ukrainian woman
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leaves a war zone to die in America.
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No, that's the reality.
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You're not safe in a lot of these Democrat cities.
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You're not safe.
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So it's like, I don't like seeing the military
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on the streets, but guess what?
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There hasn't been a murder in Washington, DC.
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So if the US is going to be a war zone,
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so if the US is a war zone, what does that mean?
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Like who qualifies as a combatant in Owen's mind?
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And more importantly, is Owen willing to take responsibility
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for the kind of thing that he's breaching here?
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If the US is a war zone,
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then certain laws certainly don't apply.
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And his audience should be able to kill people.
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It's a war.
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All right, so when I think of war beaches, right?
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I'm thinking of Normandy.
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I'm thinking of issues,
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there's too many people firing guns at you
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while you're trying to enjoy the beach.
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Not enjoy, but you know, get over it, right?
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Now yesterday was Labor Day.
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Yep.
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And I want to say that the beaches were as covered
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with joyful people as maybe I've ever seen them.
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You didn't see that Saving Private Ryan scene
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happening on Michigan?
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No, there were so many people riding bicycles
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in the bike lanes, waving at each other,
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wearing those hats with the little thing that goes up.
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Oh, oh, I know.
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And they were going, doo doo doo doo doo.
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Yeah, the problem is that you didn't go to the dog beach.
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Right.
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That was a bloodbath.
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The dog beach was a bloodbath?
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Oh, but well, I mean, if somebody tried to hurt the dogs,
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it would be a bloodbath.
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No, the dogs started it.
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Oh, well, then they probably had a good reason.
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That's why we need federal kennels or some shit.
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I'm on Team Dog 100%.
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So Owen should take a real hard look in the mirror
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about that thing he said about how it's hard to see troops
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on the street, but there's no murders in DC.
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The first problem is that's not true.
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There have been murders in DC
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and incident-based crime reporting is never accurate
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up to the date.
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So experts caution not to be so sure
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about whatever numbers you see for at least about six weeks.
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Even so, there have still been violent crimes
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and even murders in DC while Trump's been doing this shit.
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I mean, obviously.
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But leaving that aside, am I to take away from this
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belief that the police state is acceptable
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if crime is lower?
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A fundamental pillar of Infowars ideology has been breached,
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but it worked to lower the crime rates, so maybe it's good?
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Does Owen really expect anyone to believe
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that this is his sincere position?
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He's worked at Infowars for almost a decade
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and they almost declared independence from the United States
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because of DUI checkpoints while Obama was in office.
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Right.
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So I'm gonna impolitely decline to take this seriously.
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Right.
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This is some bullshit.
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Okay, so if you actually wanted to lower
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quote unquote crime.
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Right.
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By increasing the military presence there,
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then maybe you just assign one guy per person
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and if anybody's like, man, maybe I'm gonna steal this car,
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that guy can be like, no.
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Is that where we're at?
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Yeah, sure.
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I mean, cause I see no way that the military being there
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can stop somebody from being in an alley somewhere.
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Well, what if the military's in the alley?
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Well, but what if they're not in the alley?
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That's why they need drones.
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One to one, everybody gets a drone.
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Yeah.
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And there is always a drone watching you.
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I can't see anything wrong with this.
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Dalek with a gun.
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Dalek with a, we're back.
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Yep.
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We're back in business, baby.
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Everybody's assigned to Dalek with a gun.
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Finally, we have a good idea.
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Yep.
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So Owen, I think he kind of likes the police state.
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Weird.
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Yeah, what a dick.
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Option one is to continue as normal.
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You're in the wrong place at the wrong time
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in the wrong city, you might get stomped out.
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You might get beaten out on the streets and robbed.
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You'll be lucky if you can escape with your life.
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You might get stabbed.
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You might get shot.
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Again, I can't even, this stuff is so insane right now.
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I don't even know what I ended up sending the crew
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and what I don't, but I mean,
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crazy videos on the New York City subway,
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all this stuff happening in Chicago.
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So, okay, one option, just continue as it is.
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You're in one of these big blue cities.
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You're, who knows?
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Be careful out there.
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You can't carry, by the way.
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Okay.
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Wait.
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Option two, this is what we see
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the Trump administration doing.
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Let's send in the military.
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Let's militarize the streets
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and let's show that you can stop crime.
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So you can put up a fight about it.
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You can say, I don't want to see this military
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in my streets.
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I don't want to see the American military
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turned inward to the US cities.
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Like, okay, reasonable, zero murders in DC.
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And most of the DC residents support it.
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So I say, okay, you know what?
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Not my city.
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I don't really like it.
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I don't like that it's come to this, but it's worked.
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The DC people like it.
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So, all right.
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Good job.
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Wow.
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So to be totally clear, there is a third option
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that he eventually gets around to
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that he supports even more than these other two.
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And that is make sure that everybody's got guns
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and everybody knows that if you shoot somebody, it's cool.
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Like if you feel threatened by somebody
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and you shoot them in self-defense,
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you're not going to get prosecuted for that.
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Right.
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So just make sure that everyone knows
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that they can shoot people.
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Right.
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Vigilante stuff.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But doesn't that eliminate the need for the military?
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Cause everybody's got guns.
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Yeah, yeah, that would be the third option.
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Right.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Let people continue to be the victims of crimes.
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Right.
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Militarize the streets.
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Right.
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Or make sure everyone has guns and just let them go.
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Right.
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Vigilante shit.
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Well, I mean, you do understand, right,
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that if you make the argument
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that everybody should have guns,
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you are also making the argument equally
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that everybody should not have guns
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because the argument is the everybody part.
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If everybody is equal, then we don't need guns.
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Yeah, it's the dumb thing where they,
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I don't know, Alex has expressed this in the past
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and I'm sure Owen feels it in some ways
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that like if everybody's armed,
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then chivalry is guaranteed
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because everyone will be like,
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if I fight you, I might get shot.
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Right.
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So everyone will treat each other nicely
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cause of the fear of being killed.
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Right, right.
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So everybody could also treat each other nicely
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if you removed that fear.
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That's true.
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Right, because it's the fear that is...
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They have a tyranny.
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But see, now we're in tyranny because of them.
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Yeah, I know, it looks bad.
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Well, they're fair enough.
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But it's worked.
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But if DC is happy and there's no murders,
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then I guess all the things I've ever believed
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or said are a lie.
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This is so goddamn pathetic
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that I can't imagine being someone who works at Infowars
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saying something like that and not committing seppuku.
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Yeah.
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You're doing the thing that you've always said
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your enemies are going to do.
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Make excuses for why expansion of police state powers
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are justified by scary circumstances.
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You're doing the devil's work by your own definition.
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Add on top of this the fact that the feds in DC
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have not been successful in dramatically reducing crime,
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but Trump has lied to say that it has worked.
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On top of that, DC residents are not in favor
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of the feds being there,
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but Trump has lied and said that they are.
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Owen is justifying Trump's expansion of his powers
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by repeating two lies Trump has told,
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so he's once again being a fucking puppet.
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According to a CNN poll,
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79% of respondents in DC opposed Trump's actions
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in terms of federalizing the police
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and using the National Guard.
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61% said that they felt less safe
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as a result of Trump's actions,
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so Owen trying to wash his hands of supporting this
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by claiming the locals like it,
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it's a special kind of disgusting.
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But really think about this.
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What Owen is saying were true,
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why should he have any problem with the idea
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of Wisconsin banning guns?
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If it lowered the crime rate and the public supported it,
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it seems like his take should be that it's hard to see,
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but good for them, right?
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Exactly.
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He should.
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Well, I mean, the other thing is essentially
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that the military being called and placed inside there
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is a de facto gun grab because-
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Yeah, guns are being confiscated.
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Right.
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And they will be even more so if they want to.
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They're the military.
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It is the rule that they get to shoot you
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and you can't shoot back.
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That's the rule, right?
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Yeah.
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The thing that these dipshits can't get into their heads
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is that supporting this makes it
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so they really can't defend anything anymore.
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If acceptance of the federal government
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operating as a police state is conditional,
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then none of their positions mean anything
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and no one has an obligation to take anything seriously.
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It's really put me even into a little bit of a tailspin
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because why take any of these words seriously?
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And it frustrates me to no end still further
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that when you say 81% of residents are against it,
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the other 19% aren't against, they're not for it.
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They're just responding to you like an asshole
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because this is the way they respond.
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If you remove the politics from it and just go,
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there's gonna be a bunch of guys with AKs
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right outside your fucking door all day every day,
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they're like, maybe I should not have that.
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I think some number of people would still be for it,
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but it wouldn't be 100 minus the people who are against it.
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It wouldn't be a clean either or the other,
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but I bet there is some number.
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Well, hey, what are you gonna do?
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Right.
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Yeah, but those numbers are always skewed
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by the fact that those people don't think
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they're the ones who are going to get militaried.
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Yeah, and some of them might be joking.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Hey, why not?
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I want a little military.
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So this is the last day that Owen hosted the entirety
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of his show, The War Room.
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So I was kind of surprised to find that
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it's kind of just info-word shit.
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There's nothing in here that really seemed like
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it would be a good reason for these two guys
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to have split up.
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Owen ends the show by saying that he was hosting
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Alex's show the next day, and he does end up doing that.
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That ends up happening.
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Most of the show is about the Minneapolis shooting
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and Alex desperately trying to identify the shooter
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and blame it on them being trans.
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Alex calls in from his car and takes over a bit of the show
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along with his new big time FBI whistleblower,
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Kyle Serafin, and they're just chomping at the bit
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to ID the shooter.
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You can see Owen is uncomfortable.
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Yeah.
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I don't have any clips of this
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because it's kind of hard to convey through audio,
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but when I was watching Owen's face,
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it became clear to me that he was realizing in the moment
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that they were doing Sandy Hook shit all over again.
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They were doing Mauricio Garcia all over again.
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Owen was hosting Alex's show and Alex was butting in
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to cover details that were possibly sketchy,
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and if this goes wrong, Owen might end up getting sued again.
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He's already given two depositions
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where he had to admit that he passed along
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defamatory information
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because he didn't vet the stuff he was allowing on his show,
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so this has to feel like a potential third strike
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of the exact same thing.
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It'd be hard to imagine yourself
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not experiencing a solid amount of deja vu.
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Yeah. Owen looks flustered
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and maybe even a little bit pissed off,
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but it's hard to tell exactly what's going on in his head.
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If I were him after the second lawsuit,
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I would have told Alex that I'll keep working here
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because no one else is going to hire me,
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but I need you to stop creating situations
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where I'm totally going to get sued.
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Rushing identification of shooters
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has been a real problem for Infowars in the past,
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and Alex can't resist taking this chance again,
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and it's for nothing.
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No one is going to remember who went to print first
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with the the shooter was trans story.
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No one's fighting over a Pulitzer here.
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This is pointless.
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Honestly, I wouldn't blame Owen
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if that was his reason for quitting.
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It's disrespectful, and it drives home
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how he's just another talent at a one-talent business,
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which is to say that he means nothing.
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So that was on Wednesday, August 27th,
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and Owen hosted half of The War Room on Thursday,
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but from all appearances,
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it was just another plain-ass episode of the show.
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He was there, then Alex popped in
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and said Owen had to leave for a family emergency,
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and then the cuck destroyer was gone.
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He was reappearing on Labor Day
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to do a live stream discussing how he'd quit at Infowars.
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Okay, so it wasn't on Infowars.
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No.
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Oh, God, that would have been so much better.
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Well, he discusses how much he wanted to do that.
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Well, then you suck even more!
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And it means you got fired.
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If you were cool, you would have done it.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he definitely got fired.
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So I will say that I think that the stream was way too long.
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Oh, who could have imagined?
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It was just over five hours long.
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Fuck off.
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Which is too much Owen, and it's fucking repetitive,
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and there's a couple things that are clearly things
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he wants to brand himself as,
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and little catch phrases and stuff that are getting repeated,
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but I don't know, he had no business going five hours.
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Five hours of Owen Schroyer.
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I paid mostly attention for about the first four hours,
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and then shit fell apart a little bit.
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How?
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How do you make it that long?
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's just a miracle.
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I think morbid curiosity.
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Do you remember when we were on that,
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remember the last time I listened to Russell Brand, right?
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And I made it through about 15 seconds of it
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before I started shouting.
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I can't imagine making it through four hours
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of Owen Schroyer.
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Yeah, unleashed.
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Gah!
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Gah!
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They took the muzzle off.
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I can't even handle zero seconds
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of Owen Schroyer's livestream right now.
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Yeah, well, unfortunately, you're gonna get a bit.
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Shit.
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So I was looking for pieces of,
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what are the indications?
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Before I listened to Owen's explanation
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for why he got fired or quit,
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before I listened to this livestream,
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watching his show, the content seems largely like,
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okay, he's saying that Trump is going fascist,
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but he also isn't super anti-fascist.
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So that's not that bad.
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Trump's lying, but yeah, so what?
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I guess.
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That's not a deal breaker for them.
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We kinda know that he's lying all the time anyways.
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Yeah, he's doing the ads, pitches,
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just like everyone else, and like he always has.
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He's talking about how you get 10 free dollars.
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It's embarrassing.
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Yeah.
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I could not tell what the fuck was going on.
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Yeah.
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And the only thing that stuck out in my head
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was this like, maybe he looked uncomfortable
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during the shooter identification thing.
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Maybe that was the only thing I had to work off.
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That would be a moment where I would feel like
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the appropriate response,
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even if you're an actual news anchor type person,
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is to say, fuck this.
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From a self-preservation standpoint.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Just from a literal, like, this is what needs to happen.
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I am willing to embarrass myself on television to say,
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fuck this, this cannot happen.
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You know, that's the appropriate thing to do.
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If this keeps happening and my ability to control
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the content that I'm associated with is abused like this,
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I could ruin the rest of my life.
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One billion dollars!
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Is it enough to shut you the fuck up about shootings?
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Well, Owen's not on the hook for that
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and Alex has created fake businesses.
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Yeah, well there's a, nobody's on the hook for that.
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So I was really interested to see what Owen had to say
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and how this all went because as much as I felt like
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that was a possible thing that he was feeling,
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it also was entirely possible
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that I was just projecting all that.
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So like, who knows?
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Yeah, I mean, they're all psychos.
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Yeah, so Owen starts off his stream
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and he goes, he throws it to a song.
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Oh God.
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I'm going to break it all down.
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I feel I owe you an explanation of what's been happening.
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I'm going to let people get caught up
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before I really get into the juice here.
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But I want you to know it's official.
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I am now done at Info Wars
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and I'm going to let you know why coming up
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in just a minute.
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First fuel hemorrhage, because why not?
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Memories are just waiting in.
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Leave life bleeding in my head.
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Sounds like somebody who quit.
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Sounds like somebody who broke up
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with the relationship on the road.
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He ends the show playing another fuel song, Bittersweet.
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That is also a little bit.
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Oh boy.
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So Owen's going to learn a tough lesson
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if he continues with the show.
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And that is that he can't play full songs without permission.
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He's going to get DMCA strikes against his content,
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which can lead to these shows being taken off
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whatever's hosting the episodes.
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He doesn't have the shield of whatever radio licensing
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contracts Info Wars had to use songs as bumper music.
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But even still, he plays the whole song.
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Like I hope he doesn't plan on trying to sell ads
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because if you have a copyright strike on an episode
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that ends up going down,
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you're not getting the ad revenue
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from whatever that episode is.
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You might get sued for failure to fulfill
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your advertising obligation.
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I appreciate not understanding ASCAP licensing
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from a fucking radio host.
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Yeah.
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Well he's worked at Info Wars for 10 years.
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Yeah, no, that's fair.
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Maybe he genuinely thinks that they steal it.
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Does he not realize that there's a reason that
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on the Info Wars official streams that are on the radio,
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or on the internet, they don't have most of the theme music?
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Of course.
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He can't afford it.
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Of course.
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He doesn't have those rights.
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It's ridiculous.
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Anyway, Owen comes back from fuel.
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And he explains.
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He's got fire.
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He's got desire, et cetera.
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He has a desire to explain why he's here tonight.
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And it's because he had a bad phone call with Alex.
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Why I am done at Info Wars.
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Now, there's a reason why I'm doing this tonight.
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There's a reason why I have to do this tonight.
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And I'm going to explain it all.
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Because that's what you deserve as my audience,
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as people who have financially supported me over the years.
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You have prayed for me as people that sent me letters
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when I was in prison, just all of it.
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I'm grateful for my audience.
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I consider myself extremely blessed.
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And quite frankly, I consider myself extremely blessed
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for my time at Info Wars.
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And I'm sorry that it had to end so abruptly,
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if you want to say that.
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But about an hour ago, I got off the phone with Alex
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and that was it.
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That was it.
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It was a bad call.
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It was a bad call.
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It was a bad phone call.
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Listen, I've been fired in very similar ways.
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Yeah, yep.
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This phone call was terse, it sounds like.
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And ends with Alex saying,
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don't come back, we don't need you.
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That's fair.
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I suppose that's maybe better than an email, but maybe not.
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It's close.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, actually, I think,
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I don't know what you could expect in an email from Alex.
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I would appreciate an email from Alex that was just like,
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don't come into work tomorrow.
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Just made up words, misspellings, it'd be chaos.
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So you might accidentally think you're getting a raise.
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That's also possible.
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So Wingdings function.
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Yeah, Owen did not want it to go this way.
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This isn't what he planned.
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And it's very unfortunate because he really tried.
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Just to be perfectly clear,
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this is not how I wanted it to be.
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I want to be perfectly clear about something
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and I'll explain this in a little more detail.
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I did not want it to go this way.
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Okay, I tried everything.
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I tried everything so that it wouldn't go this way.
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But I am left with no choice,
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but to come on here tonight and make the announcement.
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He didn't want to do this, but he's here,
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he's doing it against, like, it's not what he wanted.
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He's using a lot of words that suggest
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he was not in charge of the decisions.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I think that sometimes people present things that way
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because they want to kind of excuse what they're doing.
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Maybe they're about to go real low and say some dirty shit.
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Absolutely.
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And they're like, I didn't want to go this way.
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It wasn't my fault, I didn't choose to get here.
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Yeah, some people might go that way,
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use this language that way.
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But another reason you would use it
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is if you are entirely powerless
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and you are backed into a corner.
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Yep, absolutely.
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And that's kind of what this feels like.
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It was either this or he was going to paint a target
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on my back and throw strawberries at it.
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So I finally decided to leave.
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Yeah, so a new piece of information that we get
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is that there's a reason that he only did half
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of his show on Thursday.
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And that is because he left.
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Oh.
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You may have noticed,
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I've been taking a lot more time off.
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Specifically, you may have noticed how on Thursday
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I walked off the show mid-show,
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about an hour into the show.
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And just so you understand what happened,
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and if you watch the Info Wars War Room,
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you've seen this before,
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so it's not like it's anything new,
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but Alex was disrupting the show
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and he wanted me to cover something
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and he wanted me to get a guest on.
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I'm in the middle of the show while it's going on,
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as you see so many times.
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And it just didn't go well.
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I kind of just reached my point of no return.
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And so I just walked off the studio.
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Now I will say it was a little upsetting to me
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that he went on and said that I had a family emergency.
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I did not have a family emergency.
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There was no family emergency.
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I didn't appreciate people reaching out to me
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thinking that something bad had happened,
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including my own parents.
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So there was no family emergency.
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I walked off the show.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah, that's funny.
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So Owen hosted his show on Tuesday,
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which we listened to a bit of,
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but then took Wednesday off,
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probably because he was hosting Alex's show.
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Then on Thursday, he was doing his own show
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and he stormed out about halfway through.
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I watched the incident and it's not interesting at all.
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When Alex leaves the show,
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he makes an impression.
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In this case, Owen went to break some videos played
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and then Alex appeared at the desk
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lying about Owen having a family emergency.
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That's so funny.
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It's notable that Owen is saying that Alex
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was trying to pop in and control the topic he was covering
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and telling him he had to feature a specific guest.
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As soon as Alex gets into the studio,
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he's covering that same shooter
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with his super credible FBI whistleblower friend,
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Kyle Serafin.
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The day prior, you could see and feel a discomfort in Owen
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as Alex was forcing his way onto the Alex Jones show
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to identify a mass shooter with Kyle.
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And now Alex is doing that to Owen on Owen's own show.
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I'm certain that this is a piece of the puzzle
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because Alex being annoying and disruptive
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is something that Owen obviously dealt with every day.
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But it's not every day that Alex is demanding
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he engage in the same behaviors
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that have led to humiliations in multiple depositions.
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An added layer to this is that Alex is preempting Owen's show
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and demanding that they interview Kyle Serafin.
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And that means that whatever Owen was planning to do
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has to go on the back burner.
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That segment of the show that day
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was supposed to be an interview
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about January 6th defendants
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not getting enough support from Trump.
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And the guest was former Proud Boy leader Enrique Torrio.
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You can see how this is possibly
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an important type of interview for Owen.
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It's not every day that you're interviewing a guy
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who tried to overthrow a country
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about how he and his friends
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aren't being treated nicely enough by the president
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who they tried to do a coup for.
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It's a moment.
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You know, it is a question of
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what have you done for me lately, right?
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Because you pardon somebody,
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you figure like Roger Stone,
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you got them in your back pocket till both of you die.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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These people, no loyalty.
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No. None.
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They are ungrateful and petty.
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They are ungrateful and petty.
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And the fact that fucking Owen Schroyer
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is gonna look you in the eye and say,
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Alex Jones said something on his show that was not true,
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makes me very unhappy.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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About me.
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If Owen is being sincere about what happened
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and all this shit,
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then I wholly understand quitting over that.
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Alex is being disrespectful as hell,
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but I don't get the feeling
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that this is an uncommon thing at Info Wars.
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Yeah.
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I still think some piece is missing to this story
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that can explain the why now of it all.
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Yeah.
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It makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Also, I just think that lying about a family emergency,
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like it really reveals how easily Alex lies.
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Oh yeah.
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And that should worry everyone.
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Oh boy.
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So Owen left.
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That's fun.
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That's fun.
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But also, I mean.
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But is that quitting?
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If you're going to do it, do it.
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You know what I mean?
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Like if you're going to walk off, walk the fuck off.
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Don't like slink away.
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Do it Alex style.
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If you're going to Irish goodbye,
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that's to keep the people there
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from having to do a whole thing
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and you just kind of get out of there.
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If you're going to walk off a show,
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that's part of your show.
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You know?
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But is it quitting?
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I think it's quitting.
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I'd say it's quitting.
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I think if I walked out of a job, I'm not coming back.
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I think it's damn close to conve-
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It sends the message that if someone got the message,
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hey, I have quit from that.
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You wouldn't blame them for thinking that.
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No, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely.
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But Owen wanted to come back to work this week.
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What?
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My intention was to go back this week.
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And I made that intention perfectly clear
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to Alex an hour ago.
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Now I wanted to meet with Alex in the office tomorrow.
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And I told him that.
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I told him that last week after I left the studio,
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he texted me and I said, Alex, let's talk next week.
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I said, I don't want to talk about it now.
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I'm done for the week.
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Let's talk next week.
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We communicated a little over the weekend.
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And then today I said, let's meet.
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Let's have a meeting tomorrow before your show,
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whenever you want.
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Let's meet tomorrow before your show.
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And maybe we can talk this out, work it out.
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And he said, no, let's just talk now.
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And so he called me.
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That's cold blooded.
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Yeah.
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I remember one of the times that I got fired
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from the theater I worked at.
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And the manager called me into the office.
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And I was going to sit down and he said,
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you're not going to need that chair.
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And this has the same energy.
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Yeah. Straight up.
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Yep. We don't need to meet up.
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Let's just talk on the phone.
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This isn't going to take long.
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Yep. As Owen keeps talking,
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I find it a little harder to defend how he handled this.
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If he quit on Thursday when he walked out, that's fine.
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But he walked out in the middle of his show
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and then decided he wasn't coming in on Friday,
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telling his boss that they'd talk about it next week.
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I think that Owen probably felt like he had the sway
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to pull off a power move like that
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and score himself a long Labor Day weekend.
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But he learned the hard way
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that he isn't important at Infowars.
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If he doesn't like his job,
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there are plenty of racist dipshits on Twitter
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who would love to play dress up
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and pretend to be on the news.
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Now, I think this is actually kind of funny,
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especially because he's doing the stream on Labor Day.
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He thought that the value of his labor was enough
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that his boss would let him take a mental health day.
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And he found out that his labor is very replaceable.
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Too bad there's not a liar's union.
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Otherwise, maybe he could have been protected from this.
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It is unfortunate.
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It is unfortunate.
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I mean, on the other hand, I was thinking about it.
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And when I got fired at the coupon place,
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the guy waited until I got into work
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and then was like, hey, you're fired, right?
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And it was like, man, I wish you would have called me
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before I took the train down here.
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That was an easy thing to skip, right?
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So in a way, I appreciate Alex for letting him know,
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don't come into work tomorrow.
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I'm saving you a trip.
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I think sometimes in some of those corporate environments
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where there may be like passcodes and keys
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and stuff like that,
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then they might really want to get you there
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so they can take your-
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Right, surreptitiously under false pretenses.
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Make sure that you don't have a way to get back in.
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That's fair, that's fair.
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I know that was definitely the case
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at some places I've worked.
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I mean, you know, but I feel like InfoWars,
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they've got guns.
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You probably can't get back in if they don't want you to.
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Owen's clearly not going back in.
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Yeah, I wouldn't go back.
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But he wanted to finish the week.
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He wanted to work this week.
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What a silly idiot.
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He wanted to come back after Labor Day on Tuesday,
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talk to Alex, chop it up, and finish this thing out.
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What a child.
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And I wanted to finish this week,
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and I wanted to finish positively at InfoWars.
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And I even said if he wanted me to kind of stick around
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like a satellite to go down with the ship,
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that I'd be willing to play some sort of a satellite role
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to go down with the ship and be a part of that
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and continue, you know, wearing the name
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on the front of the jersey for at least some semblance
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while it's still ongoing.
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And he didn't express any interest in that.
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What?
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And so he told me that he didn't need me and good luck.
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And that was that.
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Yeah, that is that.
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Yeah, all of those things are probably pretty accurate.
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It's got to sting.
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Owen was offering to do free publicity for Alex
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while InfoWars is sinking,
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and Alex wasn't interested.
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I would describe that as begging.
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Isn't that what, would you describe that as begging?
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No, yes, but no.
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Okay, okay.
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It is, but it's, the way he's describing it,
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Owen is very invested in not making it appear that way.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But if I heard somebody say that
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and I sent it through my what did somebody
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actually mean machine, it sounds like I begged him to stay.
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I had some reasons that I wanted things to go
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but one particular way.
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And he was not interested in that.
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Yeah, so I begged him to continue paying me
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while I didn't really work here?
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And he said he didn't need me.
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Well.
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Because he doesn't.
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Sojourn's out.
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Yeah, so I think that Owen's like,
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ah man, I hope Alex is real classy about this.
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Which I fucking bet he will be.
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I don't know how Alex wants to handle it.
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Honestly, I hope that he just doesn't talk about it at all.
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And people might view that as like a bad thing
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or a negative thing.
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I don't think so.
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It's, if he wants to just sever ties
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and just move on like that, I have no problem with it.
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So I don't, you know, I hope he doesn't make a thing of it.
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I hope he's fine.
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He can bring it to whoever he wants to host it
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or shut it down, I don't really care.
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You know, I don't have anything negative to say about Alex.
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This is not what this is about.
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How?
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I have nothing but respect and appreciation.
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How?
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For Alex and everything that we've done at Info Wars.
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I'm not sure that was mutual.
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Doesn't really matter.
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It wasn't.
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I think the only thing you can safely bet on here
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is that Alex isn't going to say nothing.
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And the fact that Owen is saying that he hopes Alex
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will just move on seems insane.
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It feels like he would only be doing that
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either to claim the high ground
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in the likely event of a fight
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or to signal to Alex that he's not going to spill the beans
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on anything.
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So Alex shouldn't feel the need to reveal anything
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too damaging he might know about it.
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Right, right, right.
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We don't need to take each other out.
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Right. Right.
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Because at the end of us taking each other out,
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I am taken out and you're pretty much exactly the same.
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So please don't let us take each other out.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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You're an embarrassing monster who screams about demons
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all the time and thinks sci-fi movies are real.
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I don't think that I have anything that's going to stick.
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Nope.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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You know what?
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He was a bad boss.
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No shit.
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What a shock.
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How about that?
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So Owen starts to talk about what preceded this.
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Sure.
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This Thursday blow up.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And it turns out that for a little while,
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Alex had been being a bit of a dick to him.
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For about 10, 12 years?
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Yeah, about the time he'd worked.
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Yeah.
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But especially lately, he's been too negative.
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Right.
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And too anti-Trump.
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Owen has been too negative and too anti-Trump.
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Gotcha.
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So we're at an ideological crossroads.
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Yeah.
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And so Alex managed to gaslight him
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into thinking that that was his fault.
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But kind of to give you the longer form situation,
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you probably noticed that I had not been hosting
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the War Room a lot this month.
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And Alex had been coming into my show
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and talking about how I'm negative
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and calling me a pessimist and all this other stuff,
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which is fine.
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You work for Alex, you're gonna get hit with it a lot.
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Alex is not easy to work for.
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And that's fine.
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That's okay.
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That's it?
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But okay, he says I'm too negative.
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He says I'm a pessimist, whatever, I'm too anti-Trump.
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So I just said, all right, you know what?
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I'll just take some time off.
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I'll just disappear.
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And if Alex thinks I'm too negative,
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then maybe he's right.
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Maybe he's right.
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Maybe I'm too negative now.
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Maybe I'm too much of a pessimist now.
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Maybe I'm too anti-Trump now.
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Whatever his issue was when he kept coming in the show,
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telling me I'm too negative,
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saying I'm a pessimist on his show,
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I said, okay, maybe he's right.
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I'll take some time off.
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I'll blow off some steam.
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I'll just get out of the ring for a week.
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And maybe I'll come back a little more positive.
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And maybe there was a level of reality to that.
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And I think I did come back more positive, but.
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Wait.
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The same issues that I had started up immediately
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as soon as I came back.
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No shit.
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Yeah.
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So Owen's describing two different problems here.
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The first is Alex being super annoying
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and hard to work for.
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That's no big deal and has been the case
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the whole time that Owen's worked there.
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It seems to me like Owen could probably handle that
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or else he wouldn't have lasted almost a decade.
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So I don't believe annoyance is a good reason
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for this breakdown.
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The second issue is about Alex trying to sway
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Owen's coverage of certain topics,
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saying he's too negative and anti-Trump.
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Owen was able to gaslight himself into thinking
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that maybe Alex is right and it's a problem
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that he's having that he's too pessimistic.
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So he took a week off to clear his head.
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He comes back and the same problem
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is waiting there for him.
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The problem is that Trump sucks
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and Owen gets called negative and pessimistic
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when he calls out the elephant in the room
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because Alex can't handle it.
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Yeah.
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But it feels like this has to have been happening
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the whole time Owen was there too.
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Right?
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So I don't get this as an explanation
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for ending the employment now.
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There's a part of me that hears these explanations
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and I can't help but think this has to be financial.
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Alex couldn't convince Bigley to pay Owen enough
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for him to put up with this shit anymore
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and he thinks he can find a better salary elsewhere.
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Like that's the explanation that makes the most sense.
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Sure.
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I don't have any documents to back that up or anything.
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Possible.
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But Owen's offering me isn't making a lot of sense.
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If Owen believes his prospects for money are greater
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then Owen has a difficult relationship with reality.
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I will say without tipping my hand on where things go,
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I think Owen thinks his capacity for earnings is unlimited.
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That's no good.
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No.
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He should think that it is very limited.
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Perhaps some of the more limited capacity that's ever been.
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I think he imagines that he will be one
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of the most successful people on the planet.
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You know there are venues that can only hold
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like 38 people, capacity crowds, 38 people.
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That is the number of dollars he can expect to earn
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as a radio host going forward.
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Black box theater propagandist.
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Late night shows.
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So the question obviously comes up when a creative,
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when a journalist leaves an outlet.
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Sure.
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The question comes around about like
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how much creative control did you have?
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Did you have impositions that were coming from management?
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Right, it does feel like he very much pointed out
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that the owner of the media company was forcing him
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to have certain lines upon certain things.
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And have certain guests on at certain times.
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Which feels like you would be against it.
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Yeah, so Owen says yeah, I had creative control
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but also kind of didn't.
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Nope.
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And it's not to say that I didn't have creative control
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over the Info Wars war room.
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But I mean imagine it's like somebody staring
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over your back 24 seven.
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And so every single day that I came back
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it was either a guest that I was told I had on
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at the last minute or it was him coming into the studio.
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He wants me to cover this, he wants me to cover that.
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Or I have to host his show for him because he's not in.
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So there was just, there's nothing consistent for me.
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Nothing consistent.
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Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah.
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That's a hostile working fireman.
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Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know what to say to this.
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That's the reason that I find this really interesting.
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And that is like, yeah, Alex was creating a horrible place
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and you should have quit.
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But I also think you were fired.
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I also don't think you chose to leave.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Remember when I was telling you about that
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Facebook lady's memoir and how she was like,
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oh, this was when I knew I had to leave,
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but then she stayed because of course she fucking did.
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I did, I thought about that, your story about that
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when I was listening to it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then it was like, oh, I finally got out of there
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when they fired me.
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Great.
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All right, you did it.
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Congratulations.
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Yeah, you've got, you won.
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Hold on to that thought because I think Owen might say
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literally the same thing.
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So there obviously was difficulty after he came back
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from his sabbatical, his little hiatus to clear his head
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from the things that Alex had convinced him
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were wrong with him.
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And then Wednesday, Wednesday was the breaking point for him
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that was on Alex's show when he just felt out of control.
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So whatever, so I'm going through it again last week
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and then Wednesday last week happens.
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And this is really where I think for me it was like, okay,
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if this is how it's gonna go,
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really what happened Wednesday and Thursday.
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So Wednesday was the school shooting
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and we get the exclusive with Kyle Serafin
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from his fed source at about nine or 10 o'clock
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in the morning.
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Now we get this information, we have the images,
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we have the name, the crew has already archived
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all of the online content, the manifestos, the videos.
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So I mean, we got it, we got it.
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Now I was supposed to host the show,
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but obviously we get this exclusive.
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So Alex wanted to host the show.
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So I'm like, okay, well, great, all right, so let's do this.
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So it's like, here we go, I'm riding with Alex again, folks.
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We're firing up the Millennium Falcon again.
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We're going into the info war,
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we're taking out a Death Star again.
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And I know that this is hard for people to understand
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from the outside looking in.
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And I don't say that from an arrogant standpoint.
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I'm just trying to explain to you what it's like here.
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It's a little arrogant.
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So that was fascinating to hear because like,
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I was so right and so wrong on my read
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of how Owen was experiencing that Wednesday show.
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Something was off about the energy
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and it did have to do with Kyle Serafin
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and Info Wars identifying a mass shooter,
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but Owen wasn't mad that Alex was pushing him
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to act the same way that led to lawsuits in the past.
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He was mad that Owen or Alex was inserting himself in this.
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And it's really just about micromanagement
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and Alex not letting Owen do the thing by himself.
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I can cover this exclusive.
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You don't have to come in and call from your car.
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It, hmm, right?
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So you'd think that at a certain point,
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learning would happen, but then you think, wait,
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is this just ego?
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And it is, it is always just ego.
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It's an interesting variation on ego.
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It is mostly just my little baby feelings
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have been hurt by this.
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Amazing.
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And then Alex Jones went on air
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and lied about my family issues.
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Can you believe it?
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Yeah.
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And then I couldn't even come and do my last week.
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What was that gonna be?
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I kinda wanna. We'll see.
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We'll see. Okay, he's got a plan?
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Okay, all right, all right, all right.
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So that day when Kyle Serafin and Alex took over
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Alex's show that Owen was hosting
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cause Alex was out in his car.
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Yeah, sure.
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They broke this story, this big story
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about this mass shooter.
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And Owen took the heat for it
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in terms of like getting negative headlines
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written about him. Right.
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And he thought, man, that's gonna get Alex
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off my back for a day.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And it didn't.
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We broke the big exclusive.
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It's very likely that if it wasn't for us that day
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you never heard about the trans shooter.
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You never saw the videos, the manifesto or any of it.
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It's very likely that that's the case.
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But we knew, we knew we would get burned.
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We've been down this road before, especially on that issue.
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I just, you're guaranteed you're getting burned.
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You're either getting sued. Right.
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Or you're getting censored. Learn.
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In the negative headlines.
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So before the show is even over
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there's multiple headlines printed up.
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Owen Schroyer celebrates mass shooting.
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Owen Schroyer celebrates dead kids.
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I might get to that later on.
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Whatever, it's par for the course.
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So there we go. So I got burned.
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So I rode into the fire on Wednesday.
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We broke the big exclusive.
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I fired up and I got in the co-pilot seat
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of the Millennium Falcon with Alex Jones for one more ride.
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Knowing I was gonna get shot out of the sky.
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Knowing I was gonna get burned.
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But hey, all right, it's the info war.
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I said, all right, Alex, you want me?
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Let's go, let's do it.
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And we did it. And we fucking did it.
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And then I get the negative headlines.
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Okay, fine.
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I anticipated that.
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And then the next day I have to deal
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with the same stuff of him breaking into the show.
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Now he's on a speaker phone
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and he's asked the crew to bring him.
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It's just a cluster.
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It's just a cluster bomb.
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So I had prepared a three hour show.
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I thought since we just did what we did the day before
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that I could do a three hour show
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and babysitter wouldn't be looking over my shoulder.
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I was wrong. It happened.
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And I just said, I'm out, I'm just done.
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So if you don't want me to do the show, you can do it.
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And I think he ended up posting the rest of his show.
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I don't even know if I want to get any more details
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with that.
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Yeah, I wouldn't.
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And Fort Worth didn't break this story
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and had essentially zero relevance
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in the anti-trans hysteria that this story kicked up.
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They're just a part of Twitter now.
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And this shit would have been flying around with
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the other without their involvement.
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There's no importance.
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Yeah, you guys are empty.
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But Owen is right.
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He probably shouldn't give more details about this
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because it looks bad for everyone.
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Owen could probably make some perfectly acceptable arguments
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for quitting, but the way he's telling the story,
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he sounds like a baby.
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He had a problem with his boss's management style
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and that boss gave him a week off to clear his head
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and get back in the game.
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He took that time off, came back to work
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and the problem was still there.
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Instead of sucking it up and accepting
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that this wasn't working, he had an outburst
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and stormed out of work and demanded Friday off,
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expecting that he was important enough
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that he could get away with it.
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I'm a big proponent of workers' rights
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and I will side with labor over management
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pretty much every time.
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Unless there are major pieces missing from Owen's story,
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it kind of sounds like you deserve to be fired.
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And I don't know how anyone could expect.
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Like I know that Alex acts that way
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and it might give you the feeling that I get to also,
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but you don't.
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Alex can storm off his show whenever the fuck he wants
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because he owns the place.
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It's his.
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I mean, listen, I don't know.
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Here's what I say to this kind of situation, right?
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You're a professional liar.
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Ask somebody what would be a good reason to quit
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and then give that reason.
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Don't give whatever reason you think is a good idea
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because you have bad ideas.
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And then don't do a five hour stream
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about that bad explanation
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because you're gonna end up accidentally
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giving more details.
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Of course.
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You're gonna reveal that you kind of sound
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like a rightfully fired employee
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who abused his boss's unprofessionalism.
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Yeah, yeah, you're bad at this.
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Let somebody else do it.
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Which also is part of why you're fired.
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Look, I've had a number of jobs in my life
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and I've been fired from a number of them.
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And if I were to explain the circumstances of a lot of them,
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I would be telling you a story and you would say,
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well, you deserve to get fired.
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And I would say you're correct in hindsight.
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Maybe I was a little mad when it happened,
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but yeah, that was.
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Yeah, I have a couple of stories wherein I was wrong
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to be fired according to the law and that meant nothing.
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So what-
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There are also instances where you got fired
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and it's like, oh, it was on me.
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Oh yeah, no, absolutely.
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Well, one time I got fired, but I resigned before,
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like the hour before they called me in.
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That's what he's trying to do.
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Yeah, yeah, the hour before they called me in,
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I had written up my resignation letter and I was like,
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I've got to get out of here.
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And they were like, we were going to fire you.
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And I was like, ha ha ha, I win this round.
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And I was gone, like the Hamburglar.
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This all worked out.
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We've all saved face.
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Yep.
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I just, sad.
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Yeah, it is sad.
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Really, it's a bummer too,
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when I have to like look at this situation and be like,
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I think Alex is right.
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I think he's wrong to create this awful work environment
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that people have to put up with.
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And I think he shouldn't be allowed to do that.
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But since we're not just stripping away his business
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and all that, and it's allowed to exist,
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Owen, like he should have quit long ago.
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And it's not his fault that he had an abusive boss.
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But he acted in ways that would get anyone fired.
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Here's what I love about this.
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Here's what I love about this.
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Alex could, if he asked somebody else
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for a legitimate reason why Owen should be fired,
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plenty of them.
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And he could just say that.
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Don't need to say anything else.
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Here's a good reason.
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And everybody would be like, yeah, that is a good reason.
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And we move on.
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He stormed off the show on Thursday.
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Exactly.
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He's fired.
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So many good reasons to quit.
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You fucking have been trapped in this abusive relationship.
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That guy is gonna get you sued again.
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Like you just described a really sad scenario
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where you're the sidekick
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in the Millennium Falcon of your life.
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Like fucking, there's so many good reasons to quit.
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Neither of them are choosing any of the good reasons.
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And it's just whiny little babies with terrible egos.
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Well, to be fair, up to this point,
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we have not heard Alex's response.
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Oh, that's fair.
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So we don't know.
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We're recording this on Tuesday.
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Alex hasn't even done his show yet.
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Oh, okay.
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This is all breaking stuff.
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Fair enough, fair enough.
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So Alex may have a great explanation.
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I bet.
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Or maybe he'll never talk about it.
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That's possible.
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So Owen wanted to do this positive style.
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Of course.
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He wanted-
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No hard feelings.
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Yeah, handshakes, all that shit.
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Absolutely.
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That's it as far as I'm concerned.
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So I'm not gonna be going back in.
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I'm not gonna be hosting the War Room.
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He could have easily had me in to announce it on his show.
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I would have been happy.
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I would have been more than happy to do it.
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Again, that's what I wanted.
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It meant a lot to me, folks.
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I don't wanna be, I didn't wanna be doing it this way.
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Anybody who's followed my career in media knows
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I don't do the drama stuff.
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I don't do the drama stuff.
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Sure.
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I don't do the, hey, look over here
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at this personal beef, this, I don't do that stuff.
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I get along with everybody.
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I'm sorry, but this just rings false
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coming from the cuck destroyer.
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Well, self-described.
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Are you telling me that the cuck destroyer
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doesn't do drama?
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The guy who did the tank caravan?
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Well, it's hard to see a situation
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where there is a drama-free destruction of a cuck.
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This is just bullshit.
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I find it to be, it makes him seem weaker.
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I'm the controlled demolition cuck man.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He wanted just to shake hands though and go out good.
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He wanted to have this last week
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so everybody could make peace.
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Victory lap, yeah.
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But you have to understand, it, you know,
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Alex has been a big inspiration for me
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and he gave me my first big break in political media.
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I'll always be respectful and appreciative of that.
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And so that's why it meant a lot to me
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to do this on Infowars and to do this in a positive way
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and to shake his hand on the air
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and for him to say, thank you, great work.
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And for me to say, thank you, I appreciate everything.
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And to shake his hand and do it
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in front of the Infowars audience and crew
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and leave on a positive note.
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But he didn't want to do that.
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He said he didn't want to do that.
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So now I have to do this here tonight.
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Now I have to say too,
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just so people might get a better understanding,
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you know, I feel like Wednesday was kind of our last dance.
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And if you've seen the documentary called The Last Dance
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about Michael Jordan and the 96 Bulls
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or the Bulls franchise, the dynasty,
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you might get a better idea of what it's like
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working for Alex Jones.
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And you can watch and you listen to people talk about
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how Michael Jordan is an asshole
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and Michael Jordan is hard to play for
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and nobody wants to play with him and he's a jerk
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and he's got the highest expectations and all this stuff.
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And it's just like, well, I like that.
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I mean, that's how Alex Jones is, folks.
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Alex Jones is hard to work for.
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He demands championships.
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He demands the best.
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Now, some people can deal with that, some people can't.
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It's funny to be saying that in the episode
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where you're talking about how you no longer work
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for Michael Jordan.
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Yep.
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Some people can handle that, some people can't.
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I can't.
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Some people can handle that, some people can't.
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I guess I can't.
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Yeah, that would be the conclusion.
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Yeah, silly.
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This is silly shit.
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I do appreciate the full misunderstanding
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of Alex saying, I don't wanna do that.
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That means Alex wants to do something else
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that does not involve you
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and that should make you very unhappy.
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Yeah, and what it most importantly means is
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I am not invested in you at all.
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Not even a little.
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Do you know what happens tomorrow?
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Your show will be gone and no one will know.
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Yeah, maybe I'll have someone else host the war room.
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I can have dead air.
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Maybe.
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No one will know.
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It does not really matter.
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You weren't moving supplements.
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Absolutely not.
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I don't give a shit.
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If I wanted to sell stuff on your show,
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I went on your show.
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I was doing you a favor, ultimately.
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This entire time, I have been paying you for nothing.
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There was a symbiotic relationship that existed
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where Owen's existence in Info Wars
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allowed Alex to look like he had a deeper bench
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and like it was an actual news network
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and there's other personalities here.
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And you know, I'm not saying that no one was watching.
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There's a smallish audience there that likes Owen.
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But then, yeah, symbiotically,
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Owen got to look like he was on the news
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and he got to be reasonably powerful and he fucked it up.
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I would give anything for Owen to be like,
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listen, I felt like we were close.
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And then they hired Chase.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It hurt.
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It hurt.
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It really, you know what?
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I'm willing to admit this to you on this live stream.
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That hurt my feelings.
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And I think I hate Chase.
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Well, to talk about the last dance,
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he took that personal.
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Well done.
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Thanks.
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Well done.
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Owen is a company man.
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Sure.
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And so that's why he wanted to go out on Info Wars.
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He wanted to do this right.
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So I don't know, Info Wars could be off air this week.
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Info Wars could be off air next year.
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I have no idea, but I can no longer,
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I'm at a point now in my life
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where I can no longer play that game
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of committing to go down with the ship
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because I got other issues.
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And I've been extremely loyal to Alex,
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overly loyal to Alex at Info Wars.
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Yeah, man.
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And I'm okay with that.
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I was a corporate man.
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I was a network man.
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And I was proud to play for, as I view it,
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the Yankees, the best ever, Info Wars.
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I was proud of that.
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And I still am.
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I have no regrets.
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But I couldn't hold out any longer.
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I wanted this to be my last week on air,
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but Alex didn't want it.
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So that's why I'm here tonight.
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And I'll tell you what is coming up for the future,
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as far as I'm concerned.
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So there's two things in this clip
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that are important to hold on to for later.
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The first is the idea that Owen thought of himself
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as a corporate man playing for the team.
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This has to do with the fact that Owen still thinks
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of himself as a professional broadcaster
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who's employable by some other network
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that isn't batshit insane,
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where the content is secondary to pill sales.
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The second is the fact that Owen keeps talking
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about what's next and keeps saying that he wanted
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to do his last stream on Info Wars.
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And because Alex said that he couldn't come back,
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Owen had to do this stream.
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He didn't want to do it this way, but he had to.
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When someone says, I didn't want to do it this way,
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it usually means that they're about to do
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some disgusting shit,
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throw some dirty laundry around, whatever.
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They wanted to stay classy, but their hand was forced.
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I had to do it.
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That's not what Owen is saying here.
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He's literally saying that this isn't what he planned to do.
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And Alex not letting him do a couple more days on air
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is a problem for plans that he had set in motion.
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And he needs to do this tonight
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because Alex will be back on air tomorrow.
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And there's a decent chance that that will disrupt
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whatever plans he has.
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You bet.
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So that's fun.
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I was hoping to use the last week as a springboard
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onto bigger and better things,
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where I was allowed to talk to my full audience
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who could also get me,
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but instead I'm doing this live stream for how many?
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40, 40 of you.
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Oh boy.
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So on Rumble, I think there were about a thousand people
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watching live or something like that.
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For what is supposed to be occurring,
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that might as well be 40.
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Well, but there were also, I think,
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people who called in said that there were 100,000
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watching on Twitter.
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And I just don't think those numbers are real.
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Whatever.
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I strongly doubt that.
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I really think that's artificial.
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And I don't even know if that was the number
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that appeared on, I didn't watch it live on Twitter.
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So like, I think it's not 40, but it ain't a lot.
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It's whatever it is, it's not enough.
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It's not what Owen was hoping for
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with doing another week at Info Awards.
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So it turns out here's his plan.
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Okay.
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But let me tell you what's gonna happen.
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I've got this decent studio that I'm in right now.
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And you know, it could work.
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It could work just fine.
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And it does for the most part.
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But I'd like to build something bigger.
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You know, I think that this is a nice studio
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for kind of a, you know, a secondary broadcast option.
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I kind of like this camera angle right here.
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And you know, there's some other things
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I can do with this studio,
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but this is not the studio I want for my main studio.
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It's nice for a secondary studio.
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It's nice for guest interviews.
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It's nice when I need to pop on and do a live.
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But I'd really like to build something a lot bigger,
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a lot more professional.
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I'd like to build something that is way more radio centric
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than TV centric.
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If you're not in the industry,
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then that might not mean much to you.
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But basically I don't want all the TV lights.
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I hate all the TV lights.
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They burn my corneas every day.
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I hate all the cameras.
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I hate the big TV studio space.
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I just, I don't like the big TV.
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I don't like it.
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I don't like TV.
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I don't like network TV.
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I don't like the presentation.
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I'm more of a radio guy.
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to build
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a professional radio style studio,
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probably with maybe two or three, four cameras
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but it's not going to be like a TV show presentation at all.
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It's going to be more of a radio show presentation.
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So this is why Owen wanted to do this on Info Wars.
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He wanted to announce his plan to start a new radio network
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to Alex's audience.
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And Alex wanted no part in promoting Owen's new shit.
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Alex gave him a week off from his show
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and then he didn't fire him on the spot
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when he stormed off his show.
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And now Owen wants to do another week
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so he can try to pied piper these idiots
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off to another platform.
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Fuck that.
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I think Owen's wise though to not want to do TV stuff
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because the overhead on that is going to be way too high.
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But I also think that he sounds kind of dumb.
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Like he thinks he just invented podcasting
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with a camera pointed at you.
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So what's he announcing?
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Like is it his intention to do the exact same thing
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that Tim Pool and countless other shitheads already do?
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He thinks that his level of popularity and clout
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require a professional studio and a backup studio.
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This sounds grandiose.
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Owen was stressing that after his call with Alex
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he needed to do this stream tonight.
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He didn't want to do it this way, but he had to.
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I think he knows that the status of secondhand banana
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at Infowars, that's not going to last long after he's gone.
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And he's quickly going to become just another guy.
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Alex has known that Infowars was going to collapse
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for at least a couple of years now.
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And he's been able to position himself where he has
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like a backup store and a second website.
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And all of that is his parachute.
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Owen thought that he was going to be able to launch
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his own parachute on the war room this week,
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but Alex said no, and this ding dong is scrambling.
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Amazing.
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This is all panic.
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The idea that you would...
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Buddy, fucking downsize.
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You are, do you know what we record?
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You should be in a smaller version of that.
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Downsize, buddy.
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Three or four cameras.
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Crazy.
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Look into a webcam that's from a real
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disreputable part of China.
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Later, Owen's going to talk about how he wants the show
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to just be like straight news, no guests.
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What show?
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Right.
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Why would you need four cameras for that?
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It's just you delivering the news.
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Insane.
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That is insane.
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Wow.
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I think that he is going to have a cold bucket of water
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splashed in his face real soon, metaphorically.
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I hope nobody invests.
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So he's going to make this radio studio,
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and this is part of a larger project.
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What?
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Which is creating his own network.
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What?
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And I'm still kind of in the early phases
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since this all just happened today,
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but I'm going to launch a news network.
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I already have it ready to go.
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It's going to be called the WIN network.
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It's the World Independent News Network,
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and this is kind of just a mock-up logo
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that I had as a mic flag.
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But I anticipate the Owen report will be live on the WIN
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network in October.
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I think that it'll probably take a month for me
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to get everything done.
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So this is so sloppy, and the signs that this is rushed
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are disconcerting.
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Yeah.
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For one thing, the WIN network is a trash name,
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and the abbreviation isn't even worth it.
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Nope.
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World Independent News Network is generic as hell,
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and it sounds like a fake TV station in a movie.
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Second, WIN network is a name that's already been taken.
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E.
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There's an organization called the Well-Being in the Nation
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Network that does work around issues Owen really isn't into,
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like racial justice and intergenerational trauma.
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They've already got this name, and it's well established.
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But it's not a radio station.
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True.
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Third, Owen doesn't own the URL for winnetwork.com.
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E.
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I looked it up on GoDaddy, and I almost bought it
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for the joke of saying I own it.
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But it was like $5,500, and that's out of my price range.
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$5,500?
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Yeah.
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God damn.
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It turns out that websites that aren't claimed,
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that have the word network in them, are-
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Very expensive.
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Yeah, apparently that's sought after.
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Because if you've got a network, you probably
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have enough money to shell out for.
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You might want to, yeah.
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But I don't think Owen's going to be able to pay it.
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I don't think he wants to pay $5,500 for that.
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Well, you'd have to get rid of three or four
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of those cameras if you want to.
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I think that they have, like Alex with his band,
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Dot Video, and all these weird URLs,
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I think that because there's that lineage in Info Wars,
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even if I did buy winnetwork.com,
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he would just get winnetwork.truth, or something
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like that.
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Absolutely.
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Squatting on it and getting it just to poke at him,
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I think would be really funny, but it's not worth it.
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Especially because if you did own it
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and the actual win network was like, can you have that?
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You would probably give them a huge discount.
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The well-being in the nation?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I didn't look into them deep enough to know.
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I mean, a lot of the Surface stuff sounded like,
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I'm all right with that.
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You never know with Surface stuff, though.
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Yeah, who knows?
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So I feel like announcing this world independent news
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network before you have a studio built
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and before you even seem to check out
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the intellectual property is really dumb.
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It looks hastily thrown together and desperate,
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not like the exciting next step in a bright young star's
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career.
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Yeah.
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So I'm worried for him.
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Boy, you know, I like believers.
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I like dreamers.
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But I do not want to put my money in this dream
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or this man's belief in himself.
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So on Shark Tank.
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I'm going to have to, it's going to be a no from me.
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It's going to be a no from me.
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You know what, Mark Cuban's saying no to it.
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I don't think any, for whom is this network?
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First off.
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I think that if Owen is smart, it will be a,
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I'm more open about my anti-Semitism
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and how that undergirds all of this right wing conspiracy
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ideology and worldview.
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Sure.
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Cater to that audience.
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Buddy up with Fuentes and all them.
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Just take off the shackles of InfoWars and all that shit.
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Yeah.
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Or the alternative is just create some dumb, bland bullshit
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and hopefully get some foreign money or something.
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Yeah.
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Get some dark money shit going through like Tim Pool and Dave
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Rubin, you know, with that tenant media.
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If you could hunt down some of that money,
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you'd probably get paid more than you got at InfoWars.
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And all they would ask you to do
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is probably about the same shit you would be doing?
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Probably.
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Well, I mean, at the very least, they
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wouldn't ask you to do all the promotion, all the IT work,
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all of the, because you don't have the InfoWars staff
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behind you.
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It's just Owen.
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They wouldn't micromanage him and sit over his shoulder
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all the time like Alex either.
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That's true.
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Less annoying.
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Yeah.
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So look, this is a bad idea.
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Yes, it is a bad idea.
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But what if I told you that the structural ideas
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for the format of the show were also terrible?
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I would believe every word of it.
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They're awful.
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Let's hear it.
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I think that it'll probably take a month for me
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to get everything done.
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Optimistic.
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So that includes just all of the technical stuff,
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the mechanical stuff, and then, you know,
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getting an operation that can fund itself.
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Because I don't really want to do like, you know,
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I don't want to do the permanent going out of business sale.
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I don't want to do the permanent like, you know,
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you need this to save the world sale strategies.
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I don't want to constantly be doing fundraisers either.
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I want to do more of a traditional style, which
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is we have sponsors that fund our operation.
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Oh, my God.
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And you know, having said that, I want to cover news.
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That's what I want to do.
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I want to cover news.
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And so like, here's an example, Thursday.
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Oh, God.
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Try it out.
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Try covering the news.
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Do it.
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I wanted to cover all of this news Thursday.
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This is the news.
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The stacks.
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That I didn't get to Thursday because I was disrupted.
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OK, this stack.
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Buy Alice.
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I want to cover news.
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With his own stacks.
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And here's what I've learned.
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As a consumer of news, almost nobody covers news anymore.
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I don't know if he realizes how insulting this is to Alex,
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but if Owen is intending to keep it classy, he's failing.
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The permanent going out of business sale, the you need
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this or you're going to die sale.
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These models that he doesn't want to replicate
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are just descriptions of info wars.
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He's directly telling everyone listening
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that Alex uses these tactics for marketing
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because he can't get advertisers the traditional route.
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Yeah.
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And I have bad news for Owen on two counts.
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The first is that if Alex isn't getting sponsors,
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his backwash isn't either.
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Any business willing to advertise
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with the guy who just left info wars after a decade
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also wouldn't have a problem with advertising
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with info wars itself.
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So the only people you can really hope to attract
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are people who would have advertised with Alex,
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but he was too expensive.
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And I can't imagine who that is because I think he's cheap.
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It's ridiculous.
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The second piece of bad news for this news hound
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is that he's part of an information war
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that was waged against news.
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He wants to cover stories and be like the anchors
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of olden times, but no one in his audience wants that.
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It's fucking dull and that's why they watch stuff like Alex,
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because it's exciting and it makes them feel things.
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The thing that made info wars and by extension Owen relevant
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in any way is the same thing that's going to guarantee
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that he will fail if he tries to do a serious news show.
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No one wants that.
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I can't imagine, I cannot imagine the person who's like,
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oh man, all these serious news shows are just trash.
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They're just so boring.
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I stumbled upon this lone streamer in the middle of nowhere
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who's giving me real straight news.
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I'm going to go from C-SPAN, PBS over to the Cook Destroyer.
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Wild, wild.
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So stupid.
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Amazing to believe in this requires a lot of delusion.
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Yes. Yeah.
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And it's going to get worse.
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Oh, I bet.
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But what he wants to do is a three hour news show.
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Sure.
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No conspiracies.
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Okay.
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Well, maybe a little.
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All right.
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Come on.
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Come on.
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There are.
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Nobody covers news.
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It's all sensationalism.
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It's all hyper-partisanism.
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It's all cheerleading or fanboying.
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Nobody just covers news.
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So from three to 6 PM, I'm going to cover news.
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I'm not going to do sensationalism.
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For who?
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I'm not going to do conspiracy theory.
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I'm not going to do the world is ending.
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I'm not going to do hyper-partisanship.
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I'm not going to do pom-pom waving.
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I'm not going to do flag waving.
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I'm going to do a three hour news show
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for everyone who wants news.
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And yeah, we'll do some conspiracy theory
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and we'll have some fun.
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Yeah, come on.
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What are you crazy?
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I'm just going to do straight news for three hours.
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No conspiracies.
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Yeah.
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Now, admittedly, it's entirely possible
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that by doing this small amount,
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I will render the large amount utterly worthless.
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But hey, I haven't thought that far out.
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And honestly, everything that he's describing
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as what he's not going to do
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is just a direct insult towards Alex.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I feel like the part that he was saying earlier,
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but having nothing negative to say about Alex
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is ringing very false.
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Yeah, it seems like every part of your job
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was the part you hated.
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Yeah.
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And are now talking about as if it were all fraud.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Almost as if somebody else was in charge
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of all of this fraud
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and not that you had done it yourself for the past decade.
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Until you were told you can't come back.
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Exactly.
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And then you decided, you know what?
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No more!
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Yeah.
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So now that Owen is free,
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he hasn't felt like this in years.
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Broke.
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I spoke to a friend before the show,
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they asked me how I felt.
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And I said, well, you know,
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I don't even know how to explain that,
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except I feel like I haven't felt in a decade.
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I feel like I have not felt in 10 years.
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And I don't know if that's a feeling of control,
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a feeling of the unknown,
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a feeling of freedom, a feeling of fear.
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I don't know,
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but it's something I haven't felt in a long time.
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And,
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you know, I'm 36 years old.
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Congratulations.
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And I think I've had quite a bit of experience
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for a 36 year old in media.
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And,
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you know, I think that,
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I think that a lot of the things I've learned
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along the way,
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I'm gonna finally be able to implement
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and to use in my own way
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and in my own creative delivery, if you will.
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Wow.
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But,
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I hope to be doing this for 50 more years.
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You know?
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Yeah, I know.
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Owen being 36 bums me out.
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Yeah, that really bums me out too.
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It's not like he's old or anything like that.
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He's like 36 isn't old,
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but it's older than he feels like he should be.
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Info Wars is a Peter Pan ass place,
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but like the Neverland from Hook,
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where Peter is super old and the lost boys are still young.
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Alex seems old as shit,
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and all the other people there feel like
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they should be getting junior college credit for interning.
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I do think that he's had a lot of living experience.
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Like he's seen some shit.
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Owen was at January 6th,
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he went to jail,
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he worked for a lunatic for a decade.
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He's been around,
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but the problem is that I don't think
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that that amounted to much experience in the work sense.
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He's worked at Info Wars for a decade.
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His boss is a lunatic.
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Like we've been doing this for about 10 years.
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Close enough, right?
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I wouldn't say that this decade has given me any experience
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in quote unquote media.
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Life experience, but that doesn't,
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I don't think it would make me more employable somewhere.
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I wouldn't be able to go to like CNBC and be like,
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I've been doing media for 10 years.
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And they'd be like, yeah, you have.
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No, I don't think so.
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Not the same thing.
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No, and I think that that's gonna be another
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tough wake up call that he's gonna get at some point.
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This is wildly,
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like,
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how much awareness is zero self-awareness?
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Zero seems higher than this.
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Right?
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Yeah, this seems lower than zero.
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We're going into the depths.
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Yeah, negative numbers.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I told you that I think that it's dumb as a format
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for him to just be like, I'm gonna do three hours of news.
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At three to six.
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Yeah, but you know what?
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If someone's just gonna stick to their guns
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and it's just news, I'll give them a shot.
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Okay.
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But what if they don't?
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Okay.
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We'll see about the time, but as a soft date,
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I think on Monday, October 6th,
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I'll officially launch the Owen Report,
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which will be live three to 6 p.m. weekdays
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and be nothing but news.
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Nothing but news.
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And it's gonna be way more radio style.
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There won't be really network breaks,
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but you know, we'll have,
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like I wanna do planned segments.
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Like I wanna do a segment called The Rant,
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where I just rant for a segment.
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Oh, fuck off.
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I wanna do a segment called The Roast,
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where I roast somebody or some situation.
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So it's like, I'll get a sponsor for those segments
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and then we'll do The Rant
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and we'll be brought to you by them.
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And then we'll do The Roast
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and it'll be brought to you by them.
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At the top of the hour, I wanna do a news break.
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So I'll have somebody can five minute,
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just headlines at the top of every hour.
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So it's just a news break at the top of every hour.
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So you'll get that.
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So this show is gonna be nothing but news.
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And then immediately Owen starts rattling off
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hacky zoo crew morning show segments
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that he wants to do on his show.
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Yep.
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None of that is news.
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None of it.
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It's all personality driven commentary shit.
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Exactly like what he was free to do at Info Wars.
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Yeah.
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And I have nothing but news to tell you.
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Bad news that this shit isn't gonna happen.
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No one's gonna sponsor Owen's rant segment.
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Nope.
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Adam Corolla might fuck around
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and send him a season to sist.
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Like he's just, Dennis Miller is gonna beat him up
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in an alley. Wild.
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Also, boy, The Rant, that has a lot of,
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I'm capable of being entertaining for a series of words
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behind it, which I, it's no good.
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I can't believe this.
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I can't believe he's saying this with a straight face.
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Now I will say, this is why I said at the top of the show,
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it's entirely possible this is a prank
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because this is so stupid.
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This is shocking.
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Yeah, this is the levels of bad ideas
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that I would come up with if I was trying to prank somebody.
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I thought early on that we were in,
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like, I want a pony territory where it's like,
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oh, well, I'm glad that kids should reach for the stars.
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You know, that's what you should do.
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Now we're in like, oh, we're about two days
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into this hyper manic episode
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and this person's about to spend $30,000
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that they do not have.
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Yeah.
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We're in trouble here.
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The episode started with, ha ha,
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isn't it funny that Owen got fired or maybe quit?
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Who knows what's going on here?
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And now it's upsetting.
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Yeah.
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Now his vision of what's possible in the future is-
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Very scary.
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Oof.
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Now I will say this.
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What?
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I will put money together and sponsor his roast segment
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for one week if he roasts you.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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I, that would make me sad.
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I would give anything for a good roast from Owen Schroyer,
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but man, it would just be so sad.
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We wouldn't even enjoy it.
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I would insist he work clean too.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Don't go to that blue shit.
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It's too easy.
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It is too easy.
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Owen just comes out and does the aristocrats.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Every week he does the aristocrats.
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Here's what he would do.
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Here's what he would do.
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What you do is you do the reverse roast
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and you just talk about,
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man, I can't believe that guy's dick is so big.
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You know, you go that way, make it ironic.
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Yeah, hockey puck.
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And that's the way to do it.
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So there's some great news.
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This is not gonna happen?
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Well, no, it's gonna happen.
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It's probably not gonna happen.
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He still thinks it's gonna happen.
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And it will never be behind a paywall, which I respect.
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I respect that.
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Sure.
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Let me just make this, let me make this promise to you.
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The Owen report will never be behind a paywall.
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Depending on how fundraising goes in the next week or two,
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I may decide to do something else on a subscriber base.
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To like a paywall?
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The Owen report, my three hours a day news,
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that will never be behind a paywall.
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I promise you that.
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You will never have to subscribe to anything
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to get the Owen report for three hours a day.
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But depending on what fundraising looks like
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in the next couple of weeks
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and how easy we're able to get sponsors in, wow.
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Who's we?
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That'll determine what we do
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with a subscriber-based program,
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because that's where most people are going,
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is towards the subscriber-based program.
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So, there is that,
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but I wanna go more of a traditional radio type thing,
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where you have sponsors on board, you have live reads,
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you have segments that get a sponsorship.
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Somebody will sponsor the phone line,
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somebody will sponsor the studio.
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We have a microphone sponsor.
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So that's how I wanna do it.
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I'll sponsor an air horn that I can hit the button
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to hit like, a-hoo-ga.
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Whenever I want.
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We should have a remote air horn that he has to,
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like while he's on his stream,
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we're allowed to just click it whenever we want,
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and he'll never know.
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And what if we go like a week without clicking it?
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He'll always have the fear
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of when the next one is going to be.
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And then one week I'll replace it with the Scatman.
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Absolutely.
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We should essentially, here's what we're saying.
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We need to subsidize this show
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so we can slowly drive Owen Schroyer crazy.
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We need so much more money to sponsor him
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in horrifying ways.
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Absolutely.
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I say, we're just creating like,
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I'll pay you to eat that worm.
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That's where we're at.
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No, I don't wanna do that.
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That's degrading.
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Yeah.
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And not creative.
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I'm fine with that.
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It's not interesting.
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No, no, no, I'm with you there.
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We are more creative than that,
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but that's what I'm saying.
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I don't wanna say that I wanna do a squid game.
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I'm, again, here, we're back at it.
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It should be called the Owen Hour.
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How are we not there?
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The Owen Report is terrible.
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We need to talk about that.
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Yeah.
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Much like the name, the WIND Network.
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The Owen Report is taken?
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Yeah, you should have looked into this.
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Of course it is.
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Of course it is.
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So the Owen Report,
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that's the name of the British parliamentary report
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from 2016 that revealed that polonium 210
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was found in the body of Alexander Litvinenko,
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the former Russian secret agent who was murdered in London.
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Irony.
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The Owen Report makes clear that Putin carried out
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a nuclear radiation assassination on foreign soil.
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So this name's a little iffy for someone like Owen
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who's worked at a painfully pro-Putin media outlet
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for the last decade.
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I don't know if this,
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I would have chosen a different name if I'd Googled it.
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And it just makes this look really sloppy.
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Like he's put no effort into this at all.
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Terrible.
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And that kind of makes sense.
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Like it would be hard to see Alex pull off
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not doing any preparation for a decade
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and getting away with it all the time
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and not think I can do that too.
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You have to.
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It's gonna be so harsh when the rug comes out.
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It's gotta be maddening to watch the luckiest man
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in the world get through scrape after scrape after scrape
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without effort.
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Like that's gotta be insane.
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So you just figure,
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like when you go to an open mic or something like that
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and you go like, I can do that.
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Except for this is brain surgery.
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You can't do that.
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You can't.
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No, who can he even look to from Info Wars
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that has left and anyone cares about them?
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Like Leanne McAdoo didn't go on to do anything
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and she left on decent terms.
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Millie Weaver, done.
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Kaitlin Bennett, whatever the gun lady.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Whatever their names are.
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Yes, exactly.
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David Knight.
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Whoa, I think he's still crushing it.
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Or he's dead.
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No one knows.
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I think he's alive and probably still doing his show.
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And the fact that I said probably means something.
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Yeah, that's, why isn't Owen like reaching out to them?
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Maybe Owen and David Knight should get together.
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They've already got an Owen and Knight thing.
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Yeah, why not?
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I don't know why he would think
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like he's not up against a very serious disadvantage.
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So, you know, we were talking a little bit
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about how this is upsetting in a way
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that the expectations do not feel like they match
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what could happen.
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Get ready for that to get worse.
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Oh no.
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I think I'll probably just do straight three hours
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by myself, no guests, and just do news every day.
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Just do breaking news.
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And for my more controversial takes, let's say,
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or my more conspiratorial takes,
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or things that might turn sponsors off,
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I'll do a separate show.
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I'll do Owen Schroyer Live,
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where either we have no sponsors at all,
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or that's where kind of a subscriber-based thing
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will come in and you can pay for that content.
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But what I'm looking to do
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is a three-hour talk show for everyone.
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A three-hour talk show that you feel confident
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sharing with your friends and family.
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A three-hour talk show that you feel confident
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playing in your car when you're driving Uber
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or driving your friends around,
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or playing in your business
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when you're doing business throughout the day.
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Business.
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That's what I want to do.
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I want this to be for everyone.
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I want to be America's anchorman.
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That's what I want to be.
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That's so sad.
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If you break it down, what Owen is saying
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is that he wants to host a show
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that people aren't embarrassed to listen to,
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which is what InfoWars was.
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He's lived for 10 years as a guy hosting a show
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that people have to make excuses or apologize for liking,
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and now he wants to be free of all that.
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Yeah.
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This is some ungrateful shit.
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The only reason Owen got to host his own show like a big boy
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is because he went to the pretend channel
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where his boss would get drunk on air
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and throw hatchets around while lying about murder victims
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in service of selling fake pills.
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Yep.
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If it weren't for the fact that InfoWars
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was an embarrassing cesspool,
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he never would have been able to compete
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with other applicants for the position that he ended up in.
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He was only serviceable because nothing was expected of him.
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He was another talent at a one-talent business.
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He could have slept through large chunks of his show
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and it wouldn't have mattered.
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And now he thinks he should be America's anchorman.
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I, the only, okay, so everybody who's thinking,
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oh, we're here for some schadenfreude.
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The only response I had to that was to just go, oh, honey.
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Like that's how I feel.
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The only response that I had to that is like,
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saying America's anchorman
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feels like a Ron Burgundy reference.
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Maybe this is trying to signal that this is a prank.
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He can't seriously have this idea about himself.
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He can't seriously.
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But I think he does.
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Wild.
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He also says America's anchorman a bunch of times.
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Clearly it's branding that he wants to.
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I'm gonna be America's anchorman
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and then people will say,
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oh, it's America's anchorman, Owen Troyer.
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Oh my God.
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Of the Owen Report and also Owen Live.
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Where he does his spicier takes.
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Controversial takes.
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Yeah.
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He wants to do his respectable news show
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for three hours a day
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and then do the interesting show later.
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What's great is even the idea of openly telling people
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the lies you're about to tell them.
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Like, oh, what I'm going to do is tell the sponsors
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that I'm this person,
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but in reality, I'll tell you I'm this person.
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Yeah.
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Ha ha ha.
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I'm gonna paywall the crazy stuff
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in order to try and trick somebody
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into paying for my rant segment.
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So the sponsors will never figure out this whole idea
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as long as I don't say it out loud on the live stream
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announcing what I'm doing.
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It's almost as if I've figured out a way
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for me to live two lives
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and never the twain shall meet between them.
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It's cool.
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It's good.
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It's good.
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It's smart.
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It is like,
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it is another aspect of the self-awareness
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to be like, I'm gonna do a show
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that people don't come up to me and say,
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I have to hide underneath the blankets
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while listening to it with headphones.
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Otherwise people will think I'm crazy.
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Children don't periodically insult me in public
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for doing the show that I do.
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And not realize that what he's saying
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is actually about InfoWars and not himself.
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I mean, it's both really.
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Well, I suppose.
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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It's insulting InfoWars,
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but it's also a damning sort of admission about yourself
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that you could only thrive in an embarrassing environment.
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You didn't go there and start getting embarrassed.
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You were embarrassing and that's why they wanted you.
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Yeah.
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Like I said earlier,
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his great sports reporting didn't get him the job.
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Right.
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He got the job for yelling at people at protests
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and that's why he's there.
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And that's why they're embarrassing.
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You can only get hired at a place
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that wants the cuck destroyer.
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And there are very, very few places that say,
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that guy calls himself the cuck destroyer.
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Yes, please.
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Yeah.
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The people who are only going to get hired
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at a place that interviews Rufio Panman.
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Right.
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And Count Dankula.
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I mean, you can't,
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Oh my God, this guy taught his dog
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how to do a Nazi salute as a joke.
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I gotta get him on the show.
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I gotta get him on the show.
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I want to do straight news,
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but for the subscribers,
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this guy taught his dog how to do a Nazi salute.
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We gotta get him on.
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Now we gotta get him.
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Oh God, just amazing.
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But here's what's great about this.
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It's not even going to get started
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because there's no way he can get
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any of the stuff necessary together.
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First off within a month, get the fuck out of here.
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It's a tight timeline.
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You idiot.
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Second, nobody's gonna come work for or with you
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because you can't pay anybody.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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I bet there might be some enterprising young groipers
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who would be willing to do it on spec.
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Get labor exploited.
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Yeah.
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No, I bet.
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I bet they would for the cause.
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Maybe, maybe.
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He might be able to solve a couple of those problems,
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but all of them, I don't think so.
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I'll tell you what, I don't even think so.
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Especially in a month.
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Three to four cameras?
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Get the fuck out of here.
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A second studio?
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I wouldn't be confident in launching it
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with just the one he's using right there.
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I would be more confident in that.
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It sounds fine.
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I would be slightly,
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no, I would be slightly more confident,
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but I still don't think it would happen.
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Yeah.
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So I think we have some problems with his plan.
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Right.
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I think there's some problems with foresight
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and self-awareness.
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Scaffolding.
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But there's one problem that isn't here.
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What's that?
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He is very brave.
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And he walked out at Infowars because God told him to.
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Yeah, God guided him.
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Oh God.
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You know, whenever I've gone through things personally
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or professionally in, let's say,
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everything that led to this decision today,
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I always just gave it to God.
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I always just said, you know what?
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God will let me know.
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It's not even gonna be up to me.
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It was never up to me.
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And it's not ever gonna be up to me.
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It'll always be up to God.
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That's why Gene Hackman's dead.
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So, you know, we went through some stuff
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in the last couple of weeks.
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And I always just said, okay,
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I'm just gonna give it to God.
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God will let me know.
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And then there were just more signs like,
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now's the time, just more signs from God.
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Like now's the time.
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What are you doing?
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Now's the time.
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And in my stubbornness, I said, well,
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let me just be sure.
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And so when I called Alex and I said,
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hey, I wanna come in this week,
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but after that, it's done.
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Let's do it on your show.
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Let's make it positive.
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And I wanna shake your hand.
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And I want it all to be good.
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And when he said, no, don't come in this week.
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We don't need you.
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To me, that was the final sign from God.
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It's like, okay, that's it.
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That's it.
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It's like-
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When they fired you.
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Literally not another stone I could turn over
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to say it's time to stay.
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That was it.
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That was it.
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It has to be it.
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Yeah.
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These guys have such an idiotic view of the divine.
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Owen is trying to say that he listens to God,
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but then he's describing making his own decisions repeatedly
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until the ability to make a decision
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has been taken away from him.
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And now that he's not welcome to continue at Infowars,
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he's trying to act like he made a choice to leave
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because God guided him to.
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What Owen is discussing isn't stubbornness.
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It's non-belief.
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It's an absence of faith.
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Based on Owen's own version of the story,
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he didn't make a decision.
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Alex did.
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Owen wanted to come in so he could promote his new show
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on the way out, and Alex said, get lost.
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God was telling him that it was time to make a move
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before this, and Owen did nothing
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until the decision was made for him,
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and this is being called submitting to God.
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These guys are all religious frauds,
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and it comes out when they start trying to describe
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how their religious inclinations impact their lives.
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They're able to recite Bible verses
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and yelling about hellfire is fun,
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but when it comes to living your beliefs,
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all these people reveal themselves to be charlatans
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when they start talking about it,
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and they better fucking pray there's no hell,
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because they're going there if there is.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, it is one of those nice things
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about that is that I win the bet either way.
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If there's no hell, no big deal.
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If there is a hell, everybody that I don't like
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is gonna be there, no big deal.
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I mean, hey, I'll be there too, but whatever.
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A high percentage of the people you don't like.
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I mean, just, the concept of faith to them
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is like the one thing that they truly
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just do not understand, right?
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If you are given a position wherein God says,
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you should do this thing, but you say,
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but I know it's smarter to do this thing,
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it's the faith that gets you to do the other thing.
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That's the whole thing.
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That's it.
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Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be.
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That's the faith.
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That's it, right?
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And to be like, eh, no, I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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That's not the, Jesus Christ.
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Until you are unable to make a decision,
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being convinced of your own ability to know better than God
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until you don't have a choice is not faith.
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No, that's, I guess, the reason that God fucks people over
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a lot in the Bible.
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Yeah, and these types of stories
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you just hear from people like Alex,
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and I just don't think that there's a depth
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to their spirituality.
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I think that they may think that there is,
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but faith and religion and walking with God
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in a personal relationship with Jesus,
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these are pieces of narrative convenience for them.
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It doesn't mean anything.
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Yeah, the concept of sacrifice,
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just simply the concept of even if this isn't
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what I want to happen or I want to occur
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or the results that I want,
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because of this, I do this.
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A mad, it's amazing.
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It's amazing.
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So we were talking a little bit about his unwise expectations.
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They're not good.
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They may be too high.
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They're about to get worse.
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Uh-oh.
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I mean, I'll just put it like this
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since it got brought up earlier.
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I want to build the biggest political family
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and political movement since Rush Limbaugh.
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That's what I want to do.
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And I mean, you could say that that InfoWars
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might've been the biggest.
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Could you?
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After Rush's passing,
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you could probably say InfoWars was the biggest.
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Maybe it still is.
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I don't know, the landscape is changing so fast now,
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and I guess after tonight even more so,
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but that's what I want to do.
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I want to be as inviting for everybody,
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even the people that disagree.
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I mean, that's crazy.
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That is absolutely crazy.
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You want to be as big as Rush?
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I want to have everything without sacrificing
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any of the things necessary to have anything.
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Does he think that Rush was a straight news show?
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Absolutely.
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I remember listening to Rush on the road with my dad,
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and I remember hearing nothing but the straight news.
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And that's a show for everyone
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that's super inclusive was Rush?
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Yeah.
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That's stupid.
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But also, I don't think that he's taking into account
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how artificial and astroturfed Rush was,
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and the popularity that he enjoyed.
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A large part of it was the consolidation of media companies
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that were happening at the time,
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the way that radio stations syndicated package deals
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around markets, and the monopoly that developed in radio,
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he couldn't, Rush wouldn't have been Rush without it.
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No, Hannity wouldn't have been Hannity without it.
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And these environments don't exist now
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because of social media,
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because of Owen's ability to do a five-hour stream
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complaining about not being at Infowars anymore.
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The ascendance of those things,
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the fact that it's easier to do a show
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means that you can never be Rush.
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Yep.
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And that's the deal that we've all made, I guess.
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And it's very sad to hear him fantasize about this.
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Yeah, it is really sad.
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It is really sad.
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It's really sad because to a certain extent,
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and I think there's something within all of us, right?
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When you see somebody who's fully trapped inside an illusion
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there's a part of you, not all of you,
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but there's a part of you that says,
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maybe they're happier, maybe they should stay in there.
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Right? Yep.
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Because to watch them, because we've all seen it,
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we've all seen people go from the full illusion
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to realizing the world and it's not pleasant.
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It's not pleasant to watch,
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it's not pleasant to have happen to you,
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and it's only pleasant in this situation
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because Owen Troyer sucks.
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And I think that he'll probably have the benefit
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of a little bit of cushion.
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I don't think it's gonna be really bad for a while
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because he does have enough resources and connections
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in a lot of places in right-wing media
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that he can go and do a press tour
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of a bunch of podcasts and shit.
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Probably.
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Yeah, and maybe it'll work out for a little bit.
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Maybe.
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But it's not going to pan out.
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No.
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I mean, it's just not.
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He's no rush.
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There's no skills.
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Nope.
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So he takes some calls,
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and he has a system that's able to take calls.
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Why get a new studio?
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I don't know. Crazy.
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Vanity. Right.
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So he has a guy who brings up an old quote of his.
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Okay.
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I just wanted to say,
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I think you're gonna crush your next endeavor
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and I will be following along closely.
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And the reason is because I think you're one
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of the only real honest people covering the news,
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especially when it comes to Trump.
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You're not a blind proponent.
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You actually break things down credibly.
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And I always come back to,
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if it can't be applied universally,
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it's not logic, it's propaganda.
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That's one of my quote,
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that's one of my quotient quotables right there.
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Yeah.
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If it can't be applied universally,
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it's not logic, it's propaganda.
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We're gonna etch that one in.
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We're gonna develop a couple more.
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Who's we?
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I think in the coming years,
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but that's definitely one that stuck.
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Exactly.
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I got it from you and it was just like engraved in my mind.
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So you should frame that for your new studio.
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And I'll get it etched into stone or something.
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That's an awesome, smart sounding dumb person quote.
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The positions Owen puts forth on his show
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don't all spring forth from some universally applicable
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logic that he's applying to the world.
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But if he says something pithy like this,
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dipshits kind of think that that's what he's doing.
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Just earlier in our episode,
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we've heard Owen advocate for deporting immigrants
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to random countries that they have no connection to
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and saying that tyrannical acts are fine
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if they can said to be lower crime rates.
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Neither of these things could possibly
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be universally applicable because if they were,
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then he can't care about gun rights
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and Guantanamo Bay shouldn't have been that big of a deal.
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And look, sure the war in Iraq was costly
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and it killed a lot of people,
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but it was pretty damn effective at reducing
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the number of 9-11s we've had since then.
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Not even one in 24 years.
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I mean, I suppose.
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Well, I mean, a specific one.
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Yeah, right?
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Yeah.
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You can't really have another one.
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My metrics work.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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I'd also hate for Owen to apply some of this
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universally applicable logic to his religious beliefs.
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If he accidentally did that,
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he might end up figuring out that his God's a propagandist
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and sent himself right into a crisis.
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What?
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Oh no.
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No.
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Universally applicable logic.
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I do love the ability to say words
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and never think about them.
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And then when you hear them back,
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you smile because they sound good,
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not because they have any meaning.
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It's wild.
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Yeah.
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Like I would hear somebody say that to me
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and I'd be like,
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whoa, oh boy, yup, maybe click
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and I would just turn it off.
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What are we doing here?
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Yeah.
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I would hear him say like,
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I think I can be the next rush.
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And I'd be like,
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whoa, turning my chair around
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and getting the fuck out of here.
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Kid, you gotta learn how to crawl before you can walk.
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And my dude, you don't even have legs.
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Yeah.
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So he does get a number of calls from people who are like,
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I love you, man.
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You're the only reason I listened to Infowars,
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blah, blah, blah.
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All right.
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But he also gets a call from clearly one of our listeners.
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Uh oh.
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This is on his own stream.
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Oh God.
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And yeah, this person is definitely one of our fans.
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Let's take the next caller.
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What's your name, where you're from?
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Hi, I'm Bob from Bowie, Maryland.
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Okay, Bob, go ahead.
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So listen, you said God was telling you it's time to leave
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and Alex's God tells him the time too.
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My question is, what time's right?
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Which one is it?
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I can't talk for Alex.
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I'm talking for myself.
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So this is the right decision.
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Does God also tell you the time?
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Is this a his or to for unknown power?
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Oh, I'll tell you what,
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if you want to ask Alex Jones a question,
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you go ahead and call his show.
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Okay.
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I can't answer what power.
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I'm asking you.
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How would I know?
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How would I, what are you asking me?
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I'm asking you, does God tell you the time?
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Is this a thing you both share or is this something new?
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No, no, I don't get a,
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God doesn't tell me the exact time of day.
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I have a natural clock like everyone else does
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in their head.
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I don't know about that.
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So he just wakes you up and tells you it's 2 45 exactly.
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No, I've never had that happen.
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Interesting.
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Interesting.
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All right.
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All right, Bob.
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That's pretty funny.
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That's pretty great.
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Good stuff.
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Good stuff.
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Cause Owen knows exactly what this person's asking.
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Oh yeah.
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He's poking fun at the idea that Alex believes this
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and Owen went along with this.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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And Owen will refuse to be like,
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yeah, I don't believe that.
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Or yeah, I believe that.
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He won't do it.
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Owen, Owen, Owen.
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You gotta eat it.
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You know, that's the thing now.
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Now you're on the other side.
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But that's the trick for a guy like Owen.
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The trick is to eat it.
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Nobody thinks you're going to be able to eat it.
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Everybody thinks you're going to run away.
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Everybody thinks you're going to try and do that stuff.
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If you eat it, if you really just go, yep, here's this shit.
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Here's the real shit.
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Fuck Alex Jones for all of this stuff.
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This is what's true.
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And it's such an interesting sort of parallel
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because someone calls in and is like,
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hey, do you not like methylene blue?
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And Owen's like, yeah, I tried it once
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and I didn't really like it.
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I'm not anti it, but I don't like it.
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I'm not, I don't want to promote it.
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Right.
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So he's able to kind of cut through the bullshit on that.
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But like, does Alex have magic?
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Yeah.
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Like he can't, he can't be like,
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no, that's full of shit and he's a crazy person.
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That's like, but that's where you got to go.
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You got to go with that.
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And that will be interesting.
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That will be for everybody.
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Ironically, the thing that you want to be for everybody
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is the one thing that you cannot do.
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Yeah, probably.
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Wild.
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Dunking on that asshole.
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He's the only person besides us in a better position
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to shit all over Alex Jones.
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And that is the thing that he's not doing.
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Yep.
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God damn it.
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So he gets another call.
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Right.
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This person is not one of our listeners.
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And I think they are very unhealthy.
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This sounds so scary.
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Uh oh.
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I've been watching you forever when Trump first came
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on the scene basically.
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And me and my mom first started watching you.
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And then my kids love you.
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And they're six and seven years old.
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Wow, that's awesome.
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That's awesome.
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They have a little.
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He's right here now actually.
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My little girls, they have a little Owen.
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His name is Owen.
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It's like a beanie baby, which you know,
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because we're the same age.
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A beanie baby named Owen?
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Yeah, he is a rainbow owl, beanie baby Owen.
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And Owen watches Owen every day at the TV.
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Wow.
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And they love you.
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Yeah.
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This is deeply upsetting.
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Stop.
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They're too young.
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Be responsible, Owen.
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Be responsible.
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You're not on Infowars anymore.
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You can just say, lady, no.
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This type of content is not, it's for adults.
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It's not for six and seven year olds
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to be watching every day.
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What are you?
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And naming their beanie baby after fucking Owen.
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Man, that's going to be a fun two truths and a lie icebreaker
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that those kids are going to have in college.
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Hopefully they don't remember.
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Yeah, that'd be nice.
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So here's my hope.
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Yeah?
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Owen ends up getting to talk to these kids.
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Yeah?
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And I actually kind of.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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The kids go on the.
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Well, not really.
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Right.
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Because they might not actually exist.
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OK.
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I'm rewriting this entire call as a person
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who is imagining having kids.
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I like this.
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Owen wants to talk to you.
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OK, they're ready.
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Did you guys have a good labor day?
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Say mom made us do school because we homeschooled.
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Oh.
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That's why we watch open every day.
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That's why we watch you every day.
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Wow.
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Did you guys learn?
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You guys learned today?
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Yeah.
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Say we teach cursive.
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You're our news.
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It seems like they're a little shy.
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Are they a little shy right now?
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They're shy.
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They're making Owen talk to you.
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Here's an easy one.
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Here's one for you.
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Do they have a favorite food?
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Yeah.
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What's your favorite food, you guys?
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Are you going to tell Owen?
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They're very, very, very shy.
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If they met you in person, different story.
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Smash cut to her talking to a mop.
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Here's what I had.
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I had in my mind a very pristine couch
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with all the Beanie Babies on it that she's talking to.
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She's like, this one's Owen.
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This one's my child.
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It's crazy that that is preferable to imagine
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to six and seven-year-olds watching Owen every day.
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I want her brain to be melted, and I
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want those kids to be fine.
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I want all of them to be fake.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So she has another thing that she likes, and that is music.
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And so she and Owen talk about how
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music is going to be an important part
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of his new all-news show.
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I'll give you a little teaser.
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Can't afford anything.
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I intend to make music a big part of the show going forward.
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Yes, thank you.
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It's not going to be like, nothing is really
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going to change, but the musical element
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is going to be a very important element.
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You're going to get a little bit of an itch
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scratched if you like music.
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And we're probably going to do a little more
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of a cultural thing with pop culture.
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I'm going to do movie reviews.
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News!
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Friday.
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Oh, you want to watch a movie with your family?
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You're going to do news!
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Watch this.
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What's good?
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What's bad?
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So we'll do a little bit of that.
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No!
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If you're listening and you haven't
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heard a song in 20 years, you're going to hear it,
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and you're like, oh my gosh.
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If you're listening and you hear a song that you have never
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heard, and you're like, what is this amazing sound?
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I'm going to introduce you to new music.
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So I do intend to make that a very big part of the show,
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because I think you're talking about NPR.
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Or MTV in the 90s.
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Yeah, man.
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I'm Matt Pinfield.
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That's ridiculous.
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So he's going to quickly learn that you
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can't put ads on shows that use copyrighted material
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without permission.
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Hipping people on alternative rock bands from the late 90s
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is great, but if you don't have the rights to these songs,
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that's going to be a huge problem.
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Also, this show's supposed to be three hours of news.
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I thought everyone was too into commentary and not
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serious enough, but now we've got family movie reviews
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and music recommendations.
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Owen just wants to be a morning DJ from the time he was a kid.
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That's all he apparently wants to do,
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because that's the show that he's describing doing.
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But I guess he didn't want to do a morning show he
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wanted to be in the afternoon.
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But he wanted to be in an afternoon zoo.
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I mean, I get it.
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We've known morning news people or morning radio people
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in the past, and they tell stories
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about waking up at 3 AM and going in to just do a meeting.
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Sucks.
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Yeah, it's awful.
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I get why you're not doing that, but also that's
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the only time to do that.
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Yep, and I think that something about the insanity of being up
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that early, it gives you permission
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to maybe talk to a public.
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And everybody's just in their car.
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They're not any happier to be there.
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So they're just looking for anything
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to get them out of that this car isn't moving right now.
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Yeah.
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But I just think that's maybe his dream.
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And it's sad that it just doesn't exist anymore.
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Yeah, I mean, that's a fine dream.
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It's just not available to you.
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Yeah.
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And the ultimate irony is the only place it probably
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was available to him was Info Wars.
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He could have just been like, Alex,
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let someone else take over the war room.
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I'll do a morning show, or I'll turn the war room
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into a cool radio show with the movie recommendations, music
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stuff.
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Every time Alex was thinking we got to go 24 hours,
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here's the type of show we're doing.
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He's not saying I want to add straight news.
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He's saying I want to add a painting show.
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Owen, that's a morning zoo shit.
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Yeah.
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He walked away from, or was fired from,
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the only place he conceivably could
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do the thing he wants to do.
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Every single thing that he has done
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is in avoidance of the only thing that he should be doing.
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And that's hilarious to me.
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In every decision we see him making,
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it's exactly like the decisions from God.
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It's like, oh, God told me to quit.
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God told me to quit.
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God is telling you to do so many things right now,
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and you are doing none of them.
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Yeah.
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So this next call, I'm going to apologize in advance for this,
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because this is a little self-indulgent.
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OK.
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This is another one of our listeners.
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Because nobody else is watching.
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No, that's not true.
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He does get a fair amount of calls from his actual fans.
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I don't want to make it look like the only people calling
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in are fucking with him.
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But hey, what are we doing here?
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And look, this clip is long, but it
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needs to be for a full context.
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And because there's a payoff a little bit later
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in the episode, and man, it's worth it.
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So anyway, here is the very suspiciously named
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Jordan Friesen.
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Hey, Jordan Friesen.
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I'm from Chicago.
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All right, Jordan, go ahead.
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Hey, Owen, longtime fan.
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I just got to ask you, who's going to destroy the cucks
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now over at Info Wars?
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I don't know.
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It's not my problem anymore.
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I cannot.
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Not my problem.
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Hey, so I had a question actually
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about something that that old drunk boss of yours did to you.
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OK.
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When you were doing the Sandy Hook bit there,
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was it him who told you you had to bring it up and tried
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to make you the fall guy there?
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Well, this this all came out in court,
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so it's not like I'm breaking any news here,
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but I guess you would have to have read all the documents.
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Yeah, the definitions with Bill Ogden.
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And actually, I kind of was revisiting this
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a couple of days ago because I think somebody else
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had some legal thing that they were asking me about.
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The two instances where I covered that, both times
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those stories were brought to me.
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So, no, I did not decide to cover those things.
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They were brought to me to cover.
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Like he made you do it.
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No, well, that's not accurate.
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No, no, no, no, that's not accurate either.
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Now, I don't I don't recall the exact transaction
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because you have to understand I was still new.
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You know, I was still the new guy on the block at the time.
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And so when when I'm told to cover a story, you know, I do it.
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I'm new guy.
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And so, yeah, I did it.
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I don't remember the transaction or how, you know,
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who brought it to me or why or who said it.
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But no, I do know that, yeah, those were not stories
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I chose to cover.
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Those are stories that were brought to me to cover.
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Yeah, it always just sounded fishy that that's
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when the statute of limitations, you know, it already expired,
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then he kind of has the new guy do it.
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It always felt like he was kind of throwing you
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under the bus there.
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Yeah, I mean, it never felt that way.
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I think, though, you have to understand.
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And I tried to explain this earlier and I can now, too.
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But maybe a little more detailed, like you have to understand, folks,
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that the info war as info wars, as a concept, as a.
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Let's say intellectual theory, it's not an empty word.
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It's serious.
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Alex seriously means that.
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And the reason why I mean, look.
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I always compare it to the last dance documentary because it's just true.
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Alex is like Michael Jordan.
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And so unless you are a true believer and unless you have the true vision
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and unless you're willing to do whatever he wants you to do,
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you know, you're going to hate it.
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You don't want to play for the bulls.
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You don't want to work for Alex Jones.
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So unless you're willing to accept that mission and know,
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you know, at info wars, it's OK, you're going into battle.
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Now, I'm not comparing myself to anybody that's done tours.
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Let's just be clear.
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But like Wednesday, and you may have missed this, but I said this earlier.
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So I'll kind of I'll kind of use this as an example.
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On Wednesday, I don't know if you're paying attention,
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but we basically broke the story of the trans shooter.
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We did that.
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I would say with 98 percent confidence that if we don't do that,
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you probably today don't know it was a trans individual.
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Don't know the identity.
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Don't see the manifestos, the videos, none of it.
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You probably don't have any of that without without info wars.
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I would say 98 percent true. That's the case now.
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We knew when we got that exclusive at about 10 o'clock or nine o'clock
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before the show, Alex wasn't in studio. I was.
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But I talked to Alex.
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He said we got the exclusive.
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And, you know, I've already been through this.
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There's nothing good that comes out of us covering these things.
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Never, never has been.
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Not one time I get burned every single time.
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And I've been censored because of it. I've been sued because of it.
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There's a good chance they're going to hit me like Jones.
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And in another case, just like that, that I was never allowed to talk about.
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I was I was always told never talk about. So I'll talk about it now.
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Yeah, they're trying to Jones me right now.
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They could they could hit me for ten billion dollars that I don't have.
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So I'm in a legal defense for that totally, totally illegitimate case against me.
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Totally BS. We're trying to get it dismissed.
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It's not a cheap legal battle.
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I'm funding it all.
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And I'm funding it all by myself, by the way.
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I had to fund the whole thing myself.
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It's not fun for a story that I didn't want to cover.
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Wasn't even on my show.
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And I get sued for it, but whatever.
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So Wednesday comes along, it's like, all right,
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everyone knows we're going to get burned if we break this story.
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We're going to get burned.
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And I said, fine, I'm getting in the copilot seat in the Millennium Falcon
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with Alex Jones again, and we're going to take down another Death Star
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and we're going to do it.
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And I know I'm going to ride into the fire with Alex and I'm going to get burned.
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But all right, let's go one more time.
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So we friggin did it.
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And what happens before I'm even off air?
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Multiple headlines.
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Oh, and Schroyer celebrates mass shooting.
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Oh, and Schroyer celebrates dead kids.
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Total lie. Totally illegitimate.
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And yes, for the people that reported that, I will be suing you, too.
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I'll go and announce that. Yeah, you're going to be sued.
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OK, so that's how that works.
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That's how it works. I knew that. Yeah.
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All right, fine. So it's like that was my last dance.
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OK, last dance.
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Generally speaking, I ignore most instances of callers
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who bring up our show and are very clearly trolling Infowars folks
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in some way that might be inspired by our show.
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But I've made a decision to forget that policy for today.
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One reason is this is Owen's own stream.
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So I don't know if I care about people bothering him.
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The reason I ask people not to call into Alex's show
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initially was about two major points.
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One, I wanted to understand what Alex's worldview was.
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And if I had tons of people trolling him and baiting him into having meltdowns,
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it was going to be so much more difficult for me to figure out
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where he was coming from and what these beliefs were.
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It's a bad experiment if you've got all that.
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Yeah, it taints everything. Exactly.
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And then two, people like Alex and Owen don't operate from sincere places.
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So arguing with them is counterproductive.
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Asking them questions and taking their answer seriously is a fool's game.
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So I caution people away from thinking that they could get an actual debate going.
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Both of these concerns are honestly mostly gone now.
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I understand what Alex's ideology is.
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I've spent years listening to him and reading the primary documents
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that he cites, and I get it.
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Calling into his show and fucking with him
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can't really get in the way of me learning anything anymore.
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So if anyone was holding back on that count, I don't think they should worry
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about it. Yeah, go for it.
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Yeah, not on my behalf. I won't be bothered.
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I still think that it's unproductive to engage with these folks directly.
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And I think that malicious trolling is just inherently unhealthy
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for you to engage in for your own sake.
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But people are going to do what they're going to do.
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I think that Infowars has been spared from a ton of harsh feedback
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and trolls because people were being courteous to me.
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And I thank them for that. But I also don't care anymore.
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I also think that another element of this is that it's also like,
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you know, there was one person who was trolling Alex at an abortion protest.
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Yeah, it was like, I want to eat my babies. I love killing children.
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Yeah. And that's turned into an argument in favor of like
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people who are interested in reproductive rights or murderers.
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Sure. You know, like it's easy for something you're fucking with him
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about to be turned into like something that works for him.
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Yeah. And it's good to be careful about that. Yeah.
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So the reason I played this clip in its entirety is because it was the only way
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I could convey the actual reason that it's interesting.
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Even if this wasn't someone calling themselves Jordan Friesen,
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the way Owen responded to this question is revealing of something that
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I don't know if he realized what he said. Yeah, I know. Right.
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Owen is talking about the coverage of this shooter as his last dance with Alex,
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and he's relating it to other times he's got sued for defaming people
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around mass shootings.
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He knows that nothing good ever comes out of covering these things
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and rushing out unverified information that's got them sued in the past.
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But Michael Jordan is telling him to put on his jersey.
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So he goes through that fire one more time.
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In order for this to make any sense, one of two things has to be the case.
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Either Owen has to think that the trans stuff about this recent shooter
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is possibly fake and that they were rushing out this story
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in order to push a narrative,
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or he has to think his past coverage of these kinds of cases was good.
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And the consequences he received from it was just the system
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punishing him for being too cool of an anchor.
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In the past, when he's engaged in the same behavior,
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where he's covered stories someone has just handed him about breaking news
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and mass shootings, Owen has accused Neil Hesselen about lying
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about holding his son's body after the Sandy Hook shooting.
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He's misidentified multiple mass shooters.
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When he's gotten heat for his coverage on these stories,
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it's not because no one can talk about these things.
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It's because he fucked up and his coverage caused damage to people.
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So when he's presenting this recent shooting coverage,
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he did as one last dance with Alex.
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It's hard for me to believe that he thinks he's covering news seriously now
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unless he thinks that he did a good job all those times in the past.
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And he can choose which one he wants.
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But I don't think that you can take the good side of both.
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There's so OK.
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So if you get inside the Millennium Falcon, right?
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Sometimes, yes, you do destroy the Death Star.
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But sometimes you are also eaten by a cave worm on a
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unmarked asteroid. Right.
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So in in both cases, one is admitting something about what's happened.
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So let's let's role play.
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Yeah, you and me. I'm Alex.
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You're on. We're getting in the Death Star.
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I want to be Han Solo.
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Yeah, of course you can be Han Solo.
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I'll be too. But I want to be too.
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I want to be Chewbacca.
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OK, then I'll be the chessboard guy who goes,
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I get to be Han Solo and Chewbacca.
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I'll be I can't be see through.
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You don't want to be see through.
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Fine shit. I mean, R2D2 doesn't even talk, man.
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Beep boop, boop, boop, boop.
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Are you him too? Beep boop.
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Oh, God. Wait, are you making me Leia?
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You can be Leia.
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So, Owen, I think like I really got the sense that
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he is responding poorly to this caller.
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He's not doing good.
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This caller is is put him on his back foot.
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There are things like the bring up Bill Ogden's name.
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Clearly, this person knows stuff.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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So Owen's not too much stuff.
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Right. Owen's like yelling over him.
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Yeah, this is not the vibe that the rest of the show has been.
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It's very much like he's reverting into Alex.
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Yeah, I'm I'm hearing him use the.
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That was my last dance.
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And then the next day I'm hosting the show.
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I got a great show.
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I got three hours of content.
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And then it's just some crazy thing with Alex interrupting again.
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And it's just a whole just and I just was done.
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I was like, so even after that, even after I go into battle again,
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even after I get burned again.
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And I still can't even do my show the next day without dealing with it.
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So it's just like, all right, whatever.
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But I didn't want any of this to be public.
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I wasn't going to talk about any of this.
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You know, I've been silent. I haven't said anything.
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I was going to I was going to stay silent until I talked to Alex in person
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tomorrow and get it settled and go out positively.
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And he said he didn't want to do that.
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So that's why I'm doing this tonight.
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But see, but that's that's what I'm saying, folks like.
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Some of you might be able to comprehend it,
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but like Infowars is a real thing.
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We we cross the Rubicon before everyone else.
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We climb over the barbed wire and we bleed out
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and then we let everyone else climb over our dead carcasses.
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And so it just happened again on Wednesday.
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Is anybody giving us credit? No.
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Does anybody care that we got burned for everybody else
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to to wield the Promethean fire? No.
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That's part of the job. That's part of the Infowar.
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Awesome. I signed up for it. I'm all for it.
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But then it's like the next day, I can't even breathe.
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The next day, I can't even get the training wheels off my bike.
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The next day, I can't even go on air without a babysitter.
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It's just like, all right. So I just assume whatever.
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Either he's not happy or he thinks he has to babysit me
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or I just don't want to do this.
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But again, I didn't want to go public with any of this.
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I was silent on all of this.
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But then Alex didn't want me to come on air
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and promote my business. So I had to write.
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All I'm hearing here is a dude who feels undervalued.
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Oh, and understands that he was taking a huge risk
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by being on air with Alex while he identified a mass shooter.
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And he's pissed off that Alex wouldn't see him agreeing
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to do this as a sign that he can stand on his own two feet.
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Alex still needed to micromanage him the next day
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and poke around in his show.
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And that doesn't make Owen feel like a big boy.
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I feel like he could have saved a lot of time and energy
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if he just said, I'm hurt.
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Yep, I was hurt. It hurts me.
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I feel like hurt my feelings. There's no confidence.
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I don't feel valued.
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And that's a big part of people's job is they like to feel like
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what they're doing is valuable. Yeah.
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And then and that requires me to say, I'm sorry,
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I cut you off with the clip. Yeah.
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Like starting the clip.
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No, I was I was I was. Yeah, no, that's totally fine.
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I. OK, this is maybe
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the worst example of daddy issues
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I've seen through its right wing media in a long time.
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This is because because otherwise, why the fuck are you responding
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to this with I knew we were going to get burned
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and I chose to keep doing it.
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And I think that's good.
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And then the example of getting burned is like
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there was a negative headline about you. Yeah.
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Who cares? But I mean, the other example of getting burned
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is there's a billion dollar lawsuit against you. Right.
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Which is a more important getting burned.
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I feel like to learn from.
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But, you know, the headlines hurt, too.
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Yeah, I get it.
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You know, pride is what it is.
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But like, this is just the time you go, this motherfuckers crazy.
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Even if even if you still believe in the in all the stuff, right.
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Even if you still believe in all the stuff, you don't
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you don't have to say that Alex Jones isn't fucking crazy. Mm hmm.
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Well, I think that none of the stuff that none of these behaviors
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that he's manifesting or that that are being described, even in the like
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least generous interpretation of them, like they're not new. No.
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These are all things that Owen would have been seeing
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and experiencing for a while.
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Yep. Like Alex has done the same behavior that's gotten him sued repeatedly.
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He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't learn from his lessons. Yep.
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So like, there is nothing about this story
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other than I couldn't put up with being underappreciated anymore.
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So I tried to lash out and Alex said, beat it.
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Yeah. Fifty bucks says if Alex called tomorrow, he'd take his job back.
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I don't know. That's an interesting bet.
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You don't have to be right or wrong.
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I'm just throwing that out there. Fifty bucks.
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The money line is by the end of two weeks.
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Is he going to be back at Info Wars?
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I think Alex would need to recoup, like give him some money
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for whatever he wasted on the world
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independent news graphics. Sure. Stuff like that. Yeah.
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He's sunk a little money into printing already.
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So like, I think whatever that is, he went straight to printing.
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You made like a microphone flag,
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which he obviously didn't do in the time between his call with Alex
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at the start of this stream.
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Yeah, that's true.
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This is clearly something he's been planning for a while. Yeah.
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Anyway, he's a he's a dick.
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I hope he's got business cards.
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Those are going to be very important.
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Maybe one that says like, Owen Schroyer, big shot.
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Oh, I like that. Yeah.
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So he just doesn't want people to think that he's attacking Alex. Right.
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That's really important, even though he's been directly
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attacking Alex repeatedly throughout this stream.
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Again, I don't know.
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I don't want this to come off as like a negative thing, folks.
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I'm not trying to be a thorn in Alex's side.
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I don't want to be I don't want even I don't want Alex to ever think of me again.
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I don't want to I have nothing but respect and admiration and appreciation for Alex.
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I'm I'm not doing this as a negative thing.
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I'm doing this because I have to.
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I don't have it. I don't have a platform anymore.
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I was told not to come in this week.
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So this is the only platform I have.
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I can't announce my where else am I supposed to announce this?
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Where else am I supposed to? This is it. This is all I have.
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I would have loved to do it on info.
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I was told not to.
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So I don't even want to be a thorn in Alex's side.
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I don't want people to say that this is oh, I'm attacking him or turn.
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That's not what this is.
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This makes total sense,
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but I think that Owen isn't willing to just be blunt about what he's saying.
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He wanted to promote his new project to Alex's audience on Infowars,
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and he was willing to play nice with him if Alex would let him do
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the next few days of the war room to land this plane gently.
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Alex said no, which left Owen with nowhere to promote his shit.
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And if he waited until tomorrow, Alex might have a chance
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to attack him on Infowars and control the narrative.
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So he needed to get this out immediately.
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He had to do this, which might come off as a bit asshole-ish
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because Alex wouldn't let him do it the nice way because he got fired.
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You've of all the things that you've learned from Alex.
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The one lesson that would help you right now is knowing that loyalty
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is the wrongest move in the history of ever in this world.
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In this world, you attack the shit out of Alex
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and then he might just give you what you want.
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That's how crazy all of these people are.
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Yeah, especially if in some way you become really valuable to him later.
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If you become more important by attacking Alex,
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you're more likely to get back in Alex's good graces.
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He's still going to fucking hate you, but he'll pretend not to
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and put that to the side if it's profitable.
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I'll make money. Yeah, he doesn't give a shit.
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You cannot hurt him emotionally.
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You can't get anything from him for being loyal.
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The only thing he likes is obtaining people's admiration.
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If he's already got it, then you're shit to him.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So our last caller was old Jordan Friesen.
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Oh, great guy.
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And I don't know if there's any way to top that.
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All right. Next caller, what's your name, where you're from?
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Do we have the next caller?
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Dan Holmes.
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I'm sorry, we were breaking up.
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Do we have you?
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Dan Holmes.
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OK, Dan, go ahead.
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Hey, I just actually had a question.
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Is this going to make a good episode of Knowledge Fight?
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Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, you guys do.
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You guys watch everything I do.
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I mean, you are the one who said you were a puppet.
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Go ahead, man. Have it out.
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Have your fun. Go ahead.
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I'm also the last caller.
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You morons forgot to hang up on me.
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We're really looking forward to you, so.
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All right. Well, I appreciate that.
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I'm sure you mean it, too.
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Next caller, what's your name, where you're from?
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Smooth.
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That's good.
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Oh, all right.
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Whoever that is, victory lap.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I'll give a tip of the hat to that.
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Absolutely.
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Because that wasn't too mean,
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but it also wasn't like taking Owen's responses seriously.
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There wasn't a lot of danger in that as a prank call.
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It was an appropriate way to poke.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And I think, obviously, his response to the question,
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this is gonna make a good episode of Knowledge Fight,
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you know what that means, bro.
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Yeah, you know what that means.
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You're supposed to not know what that means.
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So that's fun.
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It would help you a lot more
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if you didn't know what that means.
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But then also, he says that we watch
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all of the things he does.
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And I think he is the Info Wars personality
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that I'm interested in the least.
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I think we've...
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I've almost never watched...
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I very rarely watch The War Room.
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I can't really bear his boring ass.
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I remember.
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I remember for the first 300 episodes,
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you would have listened to hours upon hours
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upon hours of this.
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But all the time you would be like,
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and then Owen Schroyer showed up, so I turned it off.
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Yeah, if he was hosting, it's like, well, I...
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Time to go.
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Skip. Gone.
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Yeah, he just stinks.
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He sucks. For a long time,
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he was just doing an Alex impression
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and trying to be like him.
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And then he kind of found his own footing,
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but it was in service of being a little blander.
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And it just...
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He had nothing.
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Harrison was able to find his place
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as bookish dweeb Nazi.
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Really fine.
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Chase found Brendan Energy real fast.
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Instantaneous the best guy there.
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Yeah, these people were able to find their niche.
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I think that in the same way that maybe somebody
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is a decently funny comic,
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but they're just doing like a tell or they're doing Hedberg.
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Can't find their voice.
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It makes them less interesting to watch.
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And that has been my battle with Owen Schroyer
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until the day he quit.
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Today, buddy.
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And now do a fucking long ass episode
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on a Wednesday.
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Welcome to the future.
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Welcome to the future.
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Yeah. Oh boy.
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So I mentioned Chase there.
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Yeah.
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Do you think he's CIA?
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Oh God, I wish.
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That would make...
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If he was an undercover anything,
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that would make Chase the most interesting person
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we've ever talked about.
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What if he was an extra and undercover brother?
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I would still make him pretty interesting,
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but not the most interesting person.
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I'd listen to the story.
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For sure.
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So this caller wants to know if Chase is CIA.
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Next caller, what's your name, where you're from?
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Hey, Owen.
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Just learning now about everything that's kind of going on.
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I was always wondering, what's your sentiment
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towards maybe Chase Geiser and all of this?
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Everyone says he's a CIA asset
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and he's destroying it for us.
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Okay.
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I'm not gonna say anything negative about Chase.
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I have had nothing but a positive experience with Chase.
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I think we've probably...
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We've had like two or three times
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where maybe we had a, let's say just a professional issue
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and we addressed it and cleared it in a day.
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So no, I don't think Chase has any of that stuff.
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I think Chase is a good person.
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He's a great father.
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He's a great husband.
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I don't know his status right now, to be honest.
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I don't even wanna get into that.
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I don't know what his status is, but no.
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Chase actually did nothing.
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So I would love for him to have been asked
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if Owen had any feelings about Alex
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caring more about Chase than him.
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Like that's such a more interesting question.
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Like did you feel like you were cast aside
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when this boy showed up?
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Absolutely.
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Did you see a spark in Alex's eye
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that you remembered seeing in 2016?
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I mean, and it's a perfect thing to bring up right now
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when he's raw and he's so obsessed with not looking
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like exactly what he's going to look like
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if he has to respond to that question.
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So at the end there,
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Owen says that he doesn't know Chase's status
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because there's been more shakeups at InfoWars.
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After it came out that Owen quit, Chase tweeted,
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I will not be hosting the war room.
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I made a decision to work for Bigly a month ago
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because I felt I could help Alex and InfoWars
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more effectively by making the store as awesome as possible.
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I moved to Arkansas a week ago.
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What?
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And just like that, Alex is left alone in a dark room
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with just his thoughts and Harrison Smith.
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There wasn't a lot of talent in the building
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to start with, but this shit is falling apart pretty fast.
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That's not what I expected.
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I did not expect to hear that Chase was in Arkansas,
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but good for him.
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Well, it makes sense.
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He has more of like a marketing-y background
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and that kind of shit.
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And like, if I were in his position
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and Alex had put my name on the documents
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for the Alex Jones network,
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I would also start working for the real company
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as opposed to being an on-air doofus for Alex.
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Like, this is a way better job position.
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No, I mean, it's like, and it's perfect
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because it would be something to go do
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where you could sell it to Alex as being like,
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I'm on the inside now.
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But then if Alex actually needs anything,
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you're like, I don't work for you.
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And guess what?
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Joke's on you, I'm your boss now.
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Exactly, you idiot.
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Why did you put it in my name?
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I talked to a lawyer.
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Working at Bigly.
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Is ironically exactly what a CIA agent would do.
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That is true.
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Somebody who is trying to say, follow the money.
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Or someone who's trying to position himself
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in a place where he could really influence Alex.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I don't think Jay's a CIA, but I think it's funny.
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It's doubtful, but it'd be funny.
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What if he was IRS?
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What if he's an undercover IRS agent?
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Now we're talking.
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What if he's liquor patrol?
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Oh, there's no way that he'd survive Arkansas.
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No.
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Owen describes his new show.
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And again, this is all just direct.
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Three hours of news.
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Attacks on Alex.
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But the three hours of news coverage,
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if you like my news coverage, Owen Report, October 6th,
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three hours, three to 6 p.m.
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In my style, in my delivery, the way I wanna do news,
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and that's how we're gonna do it.
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I'm not going to be doing the going out of business sales.
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I'm not gonna be doing the buy this product
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or everyone's gonna die.
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I'm gonna do a classic traditional style of a broadcast.
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And we're gonna have sponsors.
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We'll do some other kind of new age stuff with subscriptions
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and other ways to fundraise.
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But I really just wanna do classical stuff.
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So like, I wanna do a segment called The Rant,
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where I just do a five minute rant,
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and that'll have a sponsor.
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I wanna do a segment called The Roast,
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where I just roast somebody or a topic.
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That'll have a sponsor.
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I'll have a microphone sponsor, a studio sponsor,
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a phone line sponsor, some other segments and stuff.
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And so that's how we're gonna do it.
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So that way you don't have to be inundated
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with ads all day long.
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You don't have to be inundated with different live reads
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and sales pitches and sales techniques.
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You're not gonna deal with any of that.
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It's gonna be very straightforward.
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It's gonna be me delivering the news.
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You don't have to deal with some guy
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trying to sell you a raffle for a truck.
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You don't have to deal with somebody saying,
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hey, you get $10 on us.
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Oh my God.
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What an asshole.
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I love these types of conversations.
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Cause I've had this type of conversation with people
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in the past who wanted to start like their own franchise
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or stuff like this.
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And it's like, you're saying all of this stuff
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cause you're really confident that people,
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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But I will tell you this,
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the reason that you are seeing all of this stuff
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is not because it does not work.
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It is precisely the opposite.
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It is because what you want to do does not work.
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Yeah.
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Alex does this shit cause it's really lucrative.
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It's how it works.
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Yeah.
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And trying to operate in this media space
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other ways is suboptimal.
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It's absurd.
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But also there's like the issue,
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there's so much wrong here,
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but like there is a guy who's way too confident
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telling you this idea.
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And I'm sitting here thinking like,
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well, logistically, this isn't gonna work.
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Nope.
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Like you're not gonna be able to magically make this studio
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and then create your own vibrant radio with four cameras.
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Rush, this is the new Rush.
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It's not gonna work.
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But then even like what he's describing
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if executed perfectly is not interesting.
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Yep.
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The like, every piece falls into place exactly right.
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And he creates a show where he talks about
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how there's cool music from the nineties
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and he does a rant that's sponsored by somebody.
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Oh my God.
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He does a roast.
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Like even if he does all of these segments,
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it's a boring show.
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Yeah.
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It's not cutting edge.
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It's not doing anything new.
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It's not exploring the format.
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And I think that that's like a compounding
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of how sad this is.
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Yeah.
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Like it's sad in a delusional way,
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but it's also sad in a like,
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even if you pull this off, you fail.
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Yeah.
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Like it still sucks.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what you might as well be saying is like,
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I wanna go back in time.
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I wish things had gone differently.
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That's another way of putting what it is you're describing.
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Like at a sports station.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I wish I had just gotten really into baseball.
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Maybe it was a dumb idea to go
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film yourself antagonizing people at protests
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and thinking it's a career.
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Yeah, but to learn that would be very devastating.
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Yeah.
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So there's a theme that runs through a number of calls
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and that is the question of whether or not Owen got fired
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because he was talking too much shit about Israel.
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Right.
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And Alex doesn't like that.
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Right.
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This is something that people really wanna know about.
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Well, first of all, are you under the impression
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that I've had to censor my Israel coverage
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because I was at Infowars?
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It felt like Alex had,
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he wanted to keep a positive spin with Trump.
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Well, okay.
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I would say I didn't really censor anything.
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I would say that I took into account
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that Alex didn't like all the Israel stuff,
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but I still covered it as I saw it,
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but I probably didn't spend as much time on it,
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maybe, I don't know.
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As far as the negative about Trump thing,
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I always called it as it was about Trump
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and that's why he was always coming into the studio
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and saying I was negative or a pessimist
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or all this other stuff.
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In that very short clip,
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Owen said that he never censored his coverage of Israel,
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but also that he didn't cover it
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as much as he would have on his show
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because Alex didn't like it.
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These are contradictory statements.
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Further, he's saying that he never censored himself
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about Trump, but that because he said the things he did,
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Alex created a hostile work environment
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that was so uncomfortable that he stormed off his show
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and quit his job of almost 10 years.
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That's very obviously an attempt on Alex's part
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to exert censorship pressure,
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and I'm certain this isn't an isolated incident.
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Owen probably just really didn't care that much
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about going along with it all the other times
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because Infowars wasn't about to go out of business
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back then.
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People get a lot of backbone
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when the checks are clearly about to start bouncing
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and it's not worth it to play along anymore.
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It can't be.
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Maybe, arguably, it could, maybe it never was
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depending on how you view time.
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I would certainly say it never was.
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Right.
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But.
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I mean, you know, you probably had
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some really good dinners though.
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Yeah.
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So in the moment at those times, it was probably worth it.
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You got to smoke a cigar with Eddie Bravo
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and talk about how the earth is flat.
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Yeah.
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I'm sure there were a bunch of experiences
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that you're gonna be happy with.
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Yeah.
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And it makes a great scrapbook.
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Yeah.
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But.
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You're not gonna be in the media.
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No.
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Nope, nope, nope, nope.
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So he gets another call from someone else
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who wants to know about,
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you sure that Alex didn't fire you over Israel?
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Right.
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Final question.
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Now it had nothing to do with you coming out against Israel,
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coming out and speaking out against
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that whole power struggle.
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They had nothing to do with it, right?
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You mean where their ideological difference is?
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Yeah.
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No, no, no.
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No, I mean, look, I do think that,
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I do think, well, how can I put it?
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I guess I would say it like this.
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There's things that Alex Jones is allowed to do on air
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that I guess I'm not, right?
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Yeah, no shit.
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So when Alex talks about, you know,
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oh, we're all gonna die in World War III, that's okay.
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But if I come out and say something negative about Trump,
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I'm too pessimistic.
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So, okay, you know, whatever.
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There were definitely, I do think,
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I think Alex looks at it like this.
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Because at the end of the day,
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I am a bit of a representative of him, right?
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I mean, he still signs my checks.
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I still work for him.
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So, I mean, we have a huge audience.
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He knows people in DC, in the White House,
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and people are tuning in.
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And so I think he gets a little afraid
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that I might say something that might look bad on him
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from people in DC that he's trying to win favor with,
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perhaps.
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So, you know, I guess I get that.
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And I don't wanna be that guy.
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If that's how I am for him,
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then I don't wanna be that guy.
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But no, that's not what led to this.
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Did he get upset that I was too negative or pessimistic?
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Yes.
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Did we have it out on air a couple times,
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in private a couple times?
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Yes.
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That's not what this is about.
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I mean, Alex didn't fire me, guys.
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You might call it a mutual parting.
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You might.
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I wanted this to happen in a positive way at InfoWars,
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and he didn't.
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So that's really the only thing here.
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And it's a big thing, though.
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Let me ask you a question.
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So what you're saying is that I wanted to go to work,
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but the person who allows or disallows me to go to work
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said, you are no longer invited to work here anymore.
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Right, but the reason that I wanted to go to work
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wasn't really to do the work.
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It was to promote my new business.
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I was sort of freelancing a little bit.
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So that still sounds like you've been fired,
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only this time it's because
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you were going to waste company time.
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I wanted to go to work after I had stormed out,
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and then just not showed up on Friday.
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I wanted to come back to steal the copier,
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but then my boss said, don't come in.
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And so I think it was mutual.
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I think it was pretty mutual.
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I wanna say it was pretty mutual.
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What a fucking asshole.
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Here's what I've always found.
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I've always found that even if something is inconvenient
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or distasteful, it's just not admitting the truth
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or not speaking the truth makes you anxious.
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Listen to the way he's like,
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well, but I mean, I wasn't censored.
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I wasn't, just be like,
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you know we all make compromises at work, buddy.
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Sometimes I was censored.
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I bet you are too.
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Anyways, next.
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Yeah, I think that's difficult
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when you've spent 10 years working at a place
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that has URLs like sensor.tv and banned.video.
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I think your brand is a little tarnished by that.
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So these callers are really pushing this whole idea
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about like, are you sure it wasn't bad Israel?
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Because they want the answer to be that Alex fired Owen
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for his coverage on Israel stuff.
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That would validate the whole Alex works
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for the Jews narrative.
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And it would help solidify Owen as a true believer
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that they could count on.
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That's why this answered question keeps getting asked
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because it's not a question, it's an offer.
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These people are offering Owen a chance to be like,
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would you like to...
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Open the door, step on in through the door.
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We're all here waiting.
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Yeah, you have exited the controlled opposition mothership
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or whatever, you can come over here now if you want.
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It's a surprise party.
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Yeah, also what Owen is describing in that clip
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is Alex exerting a shocking level of editorial control
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over his staff in order to make sure
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that what they say is pleasing to the people in power.
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The idea that Alex would micromanage Owen's show
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because he was worried about what his powerful friends
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in Washington would say is really dark.
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And I think that Owen should see that as a huge problem.
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The fact that he can kind of be like,
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eh, what are you gonna do?
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It's not that bad while describing this is insane.
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See, this is what I'm saying.
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Whenever you just accept the truth for what it is,
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you just remove so much anxiety about it.
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Like, oh, Alex is doing this all
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for his powerful people in Washington.
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How about that?
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There you go.
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Well, then stop putting on some pretense
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about like how you're the truth news.
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But I'm gonna be America's anchorman
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when I do the rant, sponsored by Target.
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That's gonna get you rush numbers doing the rant.
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The rant, a five minute rant
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sponsored by a fucking dishwasher company.
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Fuck you and your naysaying.
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And here's why you're wrong.
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Why?
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Because he's gonna do a roast segment.
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And I don't know if you know this,
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but Owen has met Tony Hinchcliffe and he is a roast guy.
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So we have one last clip here
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and it's Owen impressing a collar
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and talking about how he met Tony Hinchcliffe.
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Oh my God.
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Were you actually on the Kill Tony show
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or were you just a guest in the audience?
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No, no, I was just a VIP guest.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Yeah, that was a great time.
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And I was gonna say,
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if you were on the guest panel on the show, oh my gosh.
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That'd be fun.
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I do that.
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Yeah, especially with your new, sorry.
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My heart is beating out of my chest.
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Let me take a deep breath.
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Yeah, just calm down.
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I'll say this while you're catching your wind here.
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Tony was a really nice guy, really an awesome guy.
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And I've been around enough celebrities to know,
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and I get it, but like most celebrities,
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most people with that level of falling or fame,
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like they don't wanna deal with people.
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They don't.
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And I get it.
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You never know who you're talking to,
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taking a picture with.
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You never know, whatever.
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And so he had an after party
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and he was there the whole time.
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He was there the whole time talking to people,
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meeting people, having drinks, having smokes.
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I mean, just totally down to earth, great guy.
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So I have nothing but positive things to say
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about Tony Hinchcliffe.
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He was a real class act, really enjoyed his show.
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And then afterwards, he's just a real great guy.
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That is so awesome.
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Man, especially with you announcing your new roast segment,
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if you were to make a special appearance on Kill Tony
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and do one of his shows one time in the future, oh my gosh.
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That would be totally epic.
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I'd love to do that.
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Maybe we can get there.
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Yeah, the roast.
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An ideal sponsor would be a coffee company, right?
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The roast, you know, sponsored by a coffee company.
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But we'll see, we'll see where it goes.
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But yeah, I mean, I just look at,
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yeah, that's gonna be one of the segments,
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that's gonna be one of the bits that I do.
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I'll just do a five minute, I'll just roast somebody.
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I mean, just gonna roast them or an idea or something.
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But yeah, that's what we're gonna do.
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That's gonna be one of the fun things that we do.
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This is almost too perfect.
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Alex has always been so desperate to be best friends
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with Joe Rogan.
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And now Owen is bragging about hanging out
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with Tony Hinchcliffe.
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It's the circle of life, Jordan.
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The wheel of time must be broken, Dan.
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It's accidental poetry.
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We must destroy them.
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This is catching a rat live on air.
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It's just everything, it's ah!
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Oh my God, Tony fucking Hinchcliffe.
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Why not?
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Also, that roast segment's gonna rule.
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I am going to start a fucking coffee company
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so I can sponsor that to get Owen to roast you.
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I love, listen, I love it, right?
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We spent a decade doing standup comedy.
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It is actually very, very hard to write good roast jokes.
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It's very difficult.
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Not if people are gonna laugh at you saying
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a coffee company sponsors my roast jokes.
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Exactly.
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I think that's...
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You're essentially saying, I have no ability to do this.
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It'll be funny to watch this trash.
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Or the room is so easy.
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The level.
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The expectation of what you all will think is funny
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is so low.
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I bet he's not even gonna write it.
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I bet he's gonna think that he can just improvise
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five minutes of roasting.
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I bet Tony Hinchcliffe's gonna write it.
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Oh God.
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Is Tony Hinchcliffe that famous now?
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I mean, he did the Trump Nazi rally
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in Madison Square Garden.
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Is that really fame?
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No, I mean, Kill Tony's huge, I guess, in certain circles.
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Ugh, brutal.
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Brutal.
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What are we doing?
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I don't know, I don't know.
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But I hope, I don't hope,
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that Owen's zoo crew fantasy comes true.
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But yeah, I kinda lost interest in,
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things got quite repetitive.
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Like I said, I made it to about hour four
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of the five hour stream.
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And I was just kind of like,
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I don't think you're saying anything new anymore.
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This is just going in circles.
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That's a good way to describe his next show.
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I don't think you're saying anything new.
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And it's going in circles.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's a monumentous occasion.
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You know, he's gone.
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Yep.
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In theory.
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Right.
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Unless it's all a prank.
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Ah, we'll see in two weeks.
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We got 50 bucks on it.
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But yeah.
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Words fail me in this moment of such real gravity.
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You know, we saw David Knight go.
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We did.
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We were there to witness that.
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But it felt right.
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Just because David Knight was just a weird old man
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who was just there sometimes.
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So you kinda figure him staying or leaving,
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cause he wasn't even in Austin, right?
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No, he was.
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Oh, he was?
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Yeah.
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Well, either way, he was at nothing.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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It's like a strange quantity at Info Wars,
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cause he's an old man, doesn't yell all that much.
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But you know, there's a certain irony in that
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David Knight is kind of doing or has done
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what Owen thinks he's gonna do.
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Yeah.
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Like, he did do more boring, dry news anchor kind of stuff.
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Absolutely.
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Like, David Knight was a more restrained personality
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that you could describe as an anchor on Info Wars.
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And he failed.
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Yep.
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Once he left, there is only a relevance to be found.
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I think it's a teachable thing for Owen.
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If he wants any relevance, he needs to be himself.
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Yep.
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And if he wants to stay in this space,
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he needs to be cuck destroyer, cuck slaying,
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going out, rallies, bah!
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Fighting with people, maybe wearing a silly hat.
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Yeah.
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Dry news man for three hours isn't gonna work.
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Roasts suck, rants suck, these aren't interesting segments.
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I've got advice straight from the Bible.
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Yeah.
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All right?
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The hot and cold, right?
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Go hot or go cold.
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Go as hard as you've ever gone against Alex,
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or go so cold that you just try and change your name
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and go to a radio station to do sports.
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Yeah.
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Anything in between is a failure,
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and you're going to fail.
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Yep.
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That's why God hates the lukewarm, because they suck.
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But again, there'll be a period where it probably
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isn't gonna feel like it's a disaster.
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That's what faith is for!
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Right.
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This is misguided faith.
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Anyway, happy travels.
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Happy Labor Day.
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See you in hell, asshole.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Fuck off.
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Maybe the last time we ever talk about this guy ever again.
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Or maybe I'll watch every episode of his Dom Rose show.
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Oh my God.
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But yeah, we'll be back with another episode
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about what Info Wars is like AD.
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Oh boy, post-Troy.
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After departure of the ding-dong,
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the secondary ding-dong via Condios.
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We'll be back, but until then we have a website.
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Indeed we do, knowledgefight.com.
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And it's unfortunately not...
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winnetwork.com?
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Or theowenreport.com,
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which was also available.
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But it was $500.
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And that also was too expensive for a joke.
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That's crazy.
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He might be able to get that one.
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Yep.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo yeah, woo yeah, woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
