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Hello Alex. I'm a first time color language fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to
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Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I'd like to sit around worship
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at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Johnson. Oh indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today buddy?
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My bright spot today is actually kind of a dark spot-ish maybe. I don't know. Okay.
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This Popeye thing was a big mistake. Oh no. It's bad. It's bad?
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Bad stuff. How bad? I've watched one. I've had time to watch one of them and I've watched
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Popeye's Revenge. Sure. And it does not follow any of the mythology. Okay. Of Popeye. That's
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not hard to believe but okay. We start off the movie and first problem. Yeah. It's in the UK.
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And. This doesn't make sense to me. No. This seems very wrong. Yeah everyone's got British accents.
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That's a terrible idea. Yeah very. You've already failed. That didn't feel great. Right.
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Because also he's like Popeye's in the Navy. He's a sailor man. The Navy. Yeah so he's a kid
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who has giant arms. Right. And then he's like the he kills someone at school and then the the
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town kills him. They're like ah Frankenstein, pitchforks. Okay. They come after him and they
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try to kill him. Okay okay so the kid has monster forearms. Big arms. Tennis arms. Yes. Right.
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Smashes somebody and then the village is like. He doesn't know his strength. Of course not.
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He's just a Frankenstein's monster. He's just a boy. Yeah okay I gotcha. Yep. So then he comes
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back as a ghost? Yeah his parents locked him in a basement and he has a sister named Olive Oil.
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He's also locked in the basement. That's no good. And then the town kills them and then he comes
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back for revenge. Sure. On these people who have done. I mean yeah yeah no I whatever. You you have
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you got to do something with your life. It's fucking dumb but I was watching it and I was
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like all right I got a checklist. Yeah. We've got to have a pipe. Sure. No pipe? There's a pipe. Okay.
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Yeah he has a pipe. Okay. I'm like check. Okay. Um. Corn cob? No. There is a can of spinach that makes
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a brief appearance. Right. But he doesn't have to eat spinach in order to be strong. So that
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sucks. So they're showing the spinach for the for the real Popeye heads in there. It's like a
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it's like an easter egg for the people who know the Popeye story. One of the kills involves him
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like throwing a canister through a window and it's a spinach can. Right right right. Like it's a gas
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can or something like that but it's spinach. Fucking stupid. He doesn't say any any like I am what I am.
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No. Or any of that. Nothing like that? Nope. Oh boy. Um and there's no there's no Brutus.
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There's no Wimpy. There's not it's uh the olive oil was forced. Yeah. As a sister not a love interest.
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Because that's kind of the idea is that she's a love interest but you know in that 40s way. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I thought I thought like this is gonna be fun. It wasn't. It wasn't fun. No. No. Weird. But I think I
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still watched the other ones. Yeah. I think I still am going to but I I regret. Are they are they separate
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or is this the is this the ongoing tale of Popeye the British non-sailor boy? These are they're all
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separate. Okay. And I think that is is what makes me interested in it. The anthology nature of this
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character being put in a bunch of different situations? Well no I think I okay so all of them
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are going for a cheap pop. Sure. Right they're all like it's legal to make a movie with Popeye. That's
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what we're doing. So all of them are doing that. Yes. And they're hoping that this shit will just
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coast on the fact that it's like it's a horror movie with Popeye in it. You didn't see that coming.
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Yeah yeah yeah absolutely 100%. Except like they're not the only ones doing it. Right. Like you know
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if there were four different Sharknado movies at the same time. Yeah. You would have to judge them
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against each other. Yeah yeah that's true. That is the one thing about copyright IP is that it's
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there's at least one person or at least one vision behind this thing. As opposed to being a bunch of
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people creating their own visions to fight in a death match. Yeah. But more to the point like
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if there was one person who was stealing this IP and getting away with it then they could just be
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like well it's the Popeye horror movie. Sure sure sure sure. There's a bunch of them. Yeah. Now it's
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like well you might not be as good at ripping this off as someone else. That's that would be
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a real or it would be a hit to the ego if you weren't already doing something that should be
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a hit to the ego right. You know like the by virtue of making a Popeye movie like oh shit it's
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in the public domain I gotta make it I gotta make it. It's kind of like well I'm not creating my own
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characters. No. And it's British. Yeah. And it's not in the Marines or in the Navy. That's wild.
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Yeah. I mean it's called the Navy it's not called the Royal Navy. Yeah. Popeye would not be he's not
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British. Yeah yeah. We know one thing. He's not British. No. He's not on the HMS fucking anything.
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He does not respect the queen. No no one should. So what's your bright spot? My bright spot I'm
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gonna have to go with tennis. Oh boy. Yeah. No the Cincinnati Open's been weird. There's a
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Cincinnati Open? The Cincinnati yeah the Western and Southern Open. That feels such a downgrade
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from some of the other Opens. You mean like Monte Carlo or Madrid or any number of other. Cincy.
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But I'll tell you this I went there for one year and it's a lot of fun. I got to see Serena. I got
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to see Federer. It's really cool. It is of course tennis in Cincinnati Ohio so you get what you you
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get what you get. Sure. Cincinnati doesn't suck. It's not like a terrible city or anything. No.
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But it's not Madrid. What are you talking? Come on. I even like Cincinnati but not like Madrid.
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Yeah tennis to me seems like something I associate with some kind of like pretty rich yeah local.
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Sure sure. That's why it's weird. Right. But yeah no it's great and then this tournament has been
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a real kind of weird one. The heat is making everybody die naturally. Tennis has got a long
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future ahead of us for about five years until climate change ends up forever. It'll all be
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endorsed. Yeah. But yeah and then in the final though we're getting Alka-Razan Sinner
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and it's happening again. It's gonna happen over and over and over. It's the two of them versus
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everyone else in the world. How long does that stay interesting for you? Forever. Yeah.
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Djokovic and Rafa played like 50 times and the two of them playing was always going to be one of the
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most amazing things because it is only ever possible to play as good as the person you're
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playing against. You know like if you want to play the best you have to have a partner who can equal
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you. Yeah. And so every time they have to try and equal each other and in so doing they have to
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create something that hasn't been there before. Right. It's just fantastical. True rivalries.
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Yeah. You can see them a hundred times. It doesn't matter. Absolutely because you're not you're like
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this person made this great shot in another match and that's cool but in these matches this person
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made this great shot and then this person got it back and so they have to then up their game even
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more in order to make that next shot. Yeah. Right and so that's the level that you're never going
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to see against anybody else. That second oh that's great. Yep I can do it all the time. What is
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Cincinnati is that like one of the top tier opens? It's an ATP thousand yeah. Like how many are in
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that tier? I think somewhere in the like 10 to 15 range. Wow. So there's the there's two 50s those
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are the lowest levels of or if you're still professional tour. Below that is the challenger
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level that's where you're not in the the actual cool kids table yet. That's where it's like CT.
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Yeah you got to get your points up to get in there yeah basically. Playing against.
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Turbo's right there yeah yeah. Then there's 500s and then there's a thousands and then right above
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that is the majors so yeah it's pretty cool. 10 to 15 so there's like Madrid, there's like Monte Carlo,
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Cincinnati, DeKalb. It might be it might be more like six or seven but it could be I don't know
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I'm having a weird I don't even know how many months there are in the year anymore. I think
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eight. Yeah shit too many. Jordan today we have an episode to go over. All right. We're going to be
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taking a little bit of a jump from where we were and because we have the the world is in such a
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place that we cannot dwell forever in Alex's back and forthness right on Epstein although as much
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fun as it would be to see him try and waffle around and figure out how to play every single
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breaking ball. For weeks. We are jumping to July 30th. All right. And this is a monumental day
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where Alex has a debate and we'll check in on that here in a second. Does ChatGPT have a new
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model out that we're debating? I wish that would be amazing. ChatGPT should I leave Trump?
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Does he love me? Yes and no. ChatGPT what is love?
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So we'll get down to this but first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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That's a great idea. So first Marr splat Mark RJ some call it globalism I call it Slingblade.
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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next
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winner big ding dong adult thank you so much you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you
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very much. Thank you. And Foxhole as in pixel or voxel not like the Spanish he the thank you so
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much you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we get a
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technocrat in the mixtape so thank you so much to J-dog Big D. Thank you so much you're now a
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technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean
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black accent. He's a loser little little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I
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renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. So last we left off Alex was he'd
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made it pretty clear that there wasn't really much that was gonna shake him from supporting Trump
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doesn't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Can't. Gonna give him an F though whenever
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he needs it although that F will have no consequences or meaning whatsoever to it.
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Nope. He's gonna get a participation trophy for president. 100 percent of the time. And that's
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good enough and that's criticism. So we we experienced a good 10 days of Alex trying to
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figure out what he was gonna do. How he's gonna thread this needle. Trump called him stupid.
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Trump called everyone who is I don't want your support anymore you fucking idiots who
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care about Epstein. And Alex was able to get past that so it seems like. Just a little blow up. Just
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a little dust up you know. Yeah he was a little mad. Yeah yeah yeah. So since this point things
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have deteriorated even more. I can't believe that. We have such things happening as Ghislaine Maxwell
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is talking with the Department of Justice. Sure. She's been transferred to a minimum security
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prison. Well she's a good person. Against the wishes of Epstein victims families. There were
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no victims families I believe if I recall the FBI correctly. It's well I don't know if they said
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there were no victims but there were there was no actionable things for them to do or something like
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that. But either way yeah she is dangerously close to a pardon. Oh yeah. And that's pretty tough.
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Simultaneously Trump has come out and said that he stopped hanging out with Epstein
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because he stole Virginia Grefre from him. Yep. He phrased it incredibly poorly. No it was great.
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That's what you want to hear from the sitting president. Yeah you know he phrased it in a way
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that her family was a bit shocked and dismayed by the idea that the president was aware that
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their child was stolen. Yep. Yeah. So everything's bad. Yeah. Alex is trying to stay above water
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and there is one person who's delighting in all of this and that is the person that Alex has
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unfortunately made too good of friends with. Oh god it's Fuentes isn't it? Oh it is. Oh my god.
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So on the 30th in the evening Alex sits down for a special debate with Nick about what do we do?
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What do we do? Yeah actually you know what that's a fair that's a fair debate. I would actually be
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way more fine with more debates if they were just like what the fuck is happening? Yeah. Yeah. So
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Alex has a situation where Nick has this fuck Trump attitude. Yeah. Alex kind of wishes he
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could get there. Sure. But also can't. So the two of them are gonna have a little conversation where
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they hash out all the beats of what to do. This is this is the most like Nazi version of it's fine
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to be a punk whenever you're young but I have kids at home to feed so I can't do all of this
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stuff. But also you're Nazis. Yeah. And also I really want to do all that punk stuff. I really
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want to be a cooler Nazi. Oh also I forgot the other thing that has happened is that the Wall
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Street Journal published a letter that Trump allegedly wrote to Epstein which was a little
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drawing of a naked lady. Yep. And the pubes were his signature. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. And did you
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actually read the contents of that note? I did not read the contents of that note. You didn't? No.
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Listen what am I going to do with it? I'm already sold. Like once you've sold me you can stop
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selling me. I was way past Trump was a pedophile a long time ago. There's no amount of words that
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are gonna make that even better or worse. Okay so I'm gonna read this too. Okay.
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Okay. Fine. Because I think you need to you need to confront this. All right fine. So it's written
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as a dialogue. The note. The note. That is for Epstein's 50th birthday. The note written by the
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president for the Epstein. We have to say allegedly because he did sue the Wall Street
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Journal for publishing this. Oh god. All right let's do it. Voice over.
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Yeah.
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So yeah it's a it's a little suspicious. That is. It's. Okay. Weird. That is a note that could only
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be written by somebody who is a fictional globalist in Alex Jones's worldview 20 years ago.
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That note doesn't exist in the real world. So I assume that we have been transported into some
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sort of last action hero version of reality where everything is an amplified version because that
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cannot be real. It's one of the weirder things that's ever ever been published and they they've
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stood by their their reporting. Of course they have. What else are you gonna do?
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Yeah. Look at it. And so you know if real that's one of the most fucked up things. It's it's all
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the more believable because of how bad and stupid it is. You would have to be an insane person to
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write that. You couldn't fake it because that's in that's that's so specifically insane. Yeah.
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You cannot fake that. I couldn't if I had a million monkeys writing a million typewriters
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we'd get to Shakespeare but not that shit. That's crazy. Yeah. No people have said that you know
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there's some great scripts out there. Yeah. That have been written. Yeah. They capture something.
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Yeah this is very Chekhovian. Impossible. Yeah. So Alex is you know these are the things that are
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swirling in the background. Right. That people are talking about and Alex is like ah fuck. Ah shit.
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So why not have a little baby Nazi come in to look right. Now's the time.
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So Alex starts off and the position that he's coming into this with is like
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and juries out on Trump. I don't know about it. How?
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23 four days ago Trump put out that Justice Department memo. I said Trump's behind it.
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People said oh you're attacking Trump and then he came out later and said no it's me.
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Don't ask questions. Shut up about it. I said this is incredibly suspicious
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and now they're running around with the Justice Department meeting with his name Maxwell.
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It looks bad but people take it when I've set out a context when I'm wargaming this because
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I think they would have used information against Trump if they had it before but that said now
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the jury's out on Trump the jury's in on the Democrats and Epstein Island and Bill Gates and
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Larry Summers and all the rest of it so I'm not an apologist for Trump. All I get is persecuted
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and attacked for supporting President Trump and I've seen clips of Nick I played it earlier
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before he came on and I'm not saying it's a wrong critique but you know out of context you could see
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it. No I'm looking for the truth and my issue is do we throw out Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi
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Gabbard and all the good things that are happening if stuff comes out that he's screwing kids with
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Trump of course I'm gonna expose it. I mean I'm not tied to that wagon but in the larger issue is
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the Epstein issue the only issue and it's not like Nick Fuentes just came out and said I'm against
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Trump now he said it a year and a half ago. He was a big supporter early on so I met him nine years
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ago I think Nick's a smart guy and I agree with most things he says it's gonna be something. So
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we are having a large discussion you call it a debate here but I want to be 100% clear I will go
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where the facts lead I'm not an apologist for Trump but at the same time we need to recognize
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that the Democrats and the ADL and the Republicans joining him do not want this discussion they do
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not want Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble they do not want Alex Jones on X or Infowars they do not like
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this tonight because they don't want you to hear a real unfiltered discussion. So the fact of the
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matter is that you know Alex can say he's not an apologist for Trump but the framing of this
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conversation in and of itself is apologetic to Trump. He fundamentally can't get away from
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this like do we the conversation is do we give Trump a pass right do we allow him to hold on
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to power because it's better for us even though this very obvious shit is disqualified. Right
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craven no craven which side are you on? Yeah and that too like is there is no
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option within there that is like let's deal with this as it is. I mean it is it's one of the more
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annoying things that I think people of Alex's ilk do of the like I am not this guy but for the time
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being in this situation I'm going to be this guy but I want you to know that that doesn't make me
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that guy it just means that so long as we are in this situation the situation that if I were that
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guy this guy would be doing what I'm doing thus I would be that guy in this situation but I'm not
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that guy. Yeah and I'm only being that guy in a war gaming context. Yeah. Now if it works I'm
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going to keep being that guy. I mean I'm going to keep being that guy but that's only because it
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works. Right right now if it doesn't work I'm going to disown that position and claim I was
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just war gaming. He's never that guy what are you doing crazy? Right. Come on. It's so manipulative
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and shitty. Yep yep yep. So Nick comes on and he has an entirely different position from Alex.
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Alex is like we need to have a discussion do we throw Trump out with the bath water
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and Nick's like why are we even talking about this nothing matters if Trump is doing this.
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Now that gets to my biggest criticism of Trump and you know you said this a moment ago
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and I understand where you're coming from you say are there other issues besides the Epstein issue
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I've heard a lot of people say this they say that for the MAGA base which I consider myself a part
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of even though I didn't vote for Trump on the demographic if the MAGA base is in revolt over
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the Epstein files people say are you throwing out the baby with the bath water what about
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the secure border what about the progress that's being made as you say by RFK Jr by Tulsi Gabbard
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the the good things that are happening at the administration is it worth it in other words
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people say if he's failing on one narrow issue like Epstein which people say realistically
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doesn't actually affect people's daily lives they say is that a mistake now my position is that you
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can't compartmentalize these issues contrary to that take or that defense I don't think you're
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you're capable I don't think it's possible to separate and cordon off the Epstein issue
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and say that's over here and immigration and foreign policy and the rest of it is over there
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because the proposition of the first Trump campaign going back 10 years ago in 2016
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or even in 2015 when Trump ran in the primary he said that the reason that our politicians had
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failed us over 30 years on both sides Republican side Democrat side the right and the left
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he said is not for a lack of trying not for a lack of will he said it's because the system has failed
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us it's because of corruption they can't deliver a real victory because they're not beholden to the
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people instead they're beholden to foreign interests special interests donors political
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pacts and there was a suggestion of blackmail there's a suggestion of a shadow operation
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happening behind the scenes so Nick is basically explaining to Alex why like hey uh this is why
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this issue is supposed to matter to us there is the emotional visceral disgust at these crimes
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yes that's absolutely true sure but then there's also the whole thing that we've built up that is
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if this system exists it's being used right to control and manipulate power right and now Trump
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has signaled that he is fine with being a part of that or covering that up right we were having a
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great time whenever we thought that it was fun to just talk about stuff like this happening now this
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is happening and it's our guy so it makes us feel real fucking dumb yeah real dumb and that's that's
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where Nick has this freedom of like he's not my guy nope I want somebody way worse than him yep
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I have always wanted someone way worse than this guy is too fucking flip-floppy to be Hitler
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Hitler didn't change his mind final solution Jesus Christ yeah and so I think that this is a really
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tough position for Alex to try and deal with because he's he's cutting to the core of like
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what does the Epstein situation mean yeah what is what is the importance of this and Trump's acting
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in a way that is violating why we care yeah as opposed to it just being a superficial thing yeah
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and because of that you can't just cordon it off and be like he's bad here he's good here yeah it's
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all bad yeah no it's it's it's already in more interesting out the gate simply because in general
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most of these debates and most all debates in general wind up with two people talking about
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a thing but never actually addressing the thing and then going off in different areas so they
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don't actually have to address the thing this is very clearly like there's only one thing either
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this is or is it we've we've run out of everything else so now let's try reality yeah yeah and it
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sucks that this like nazi asshole is the person who's being that voice on Alex's show
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but that's the position that Alex has put himself in yep where he has to look like a real
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idiot yeah next to a horrible person it is not because of Nick Fuentes's positive traits that
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this is happening it is entirely because of Alex's negative traits that this is occurring
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there is no need to worry about giving it up to the Somali pirates in this regard yeah
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we're fine it's a bind that is kind of um a necessary uh or inevitable thing with this kind
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of media space yeah yep um so Nick one of the other things too is that uh he is not uncomfortable with
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taking Alex's points sure whereas I don't think it works the other direction so like Alex's only
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real argument for keeping Trump and looking past the Epstein stuff is like all of the other stuff
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that's happening you know like border stuff sure and Nick Nick is fine being like no that stuff's
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not good to answer maybe the the big defense of Trump and and I agree with you we have to steal
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man the other position we may not even agree with it we might stay at state it simply to entertain
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it if the pro-Trump side is saying if their argument is well don't throw the baby out with
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the bath water the Epstein thing is a narrow singular issue if that's the primary defense
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I would have to say it's not good enough because if he's named in these files then everything is
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compromised everything is touched and poisoned by the corruption and when this cover-up is going on
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unfortunately we cannot assume that he is not touched by it we actually have to draw a negative
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inference that's sort of the whole point and I like you I actually don't believe that Trump is
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necessarily guilty I think that is a assumption I think that's an inference I don't even think
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it's necessarily true that Trump was on the island or that Trump was raping kids or that there's a
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videotape of Trump I don't think that's even likely but when he has covered it up in the way
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that he has and as he's dug this hole deeper and deeper having the DOJ cover it up asking the FBI
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to look for his name they told him his name was in there now he says his name was planted in there
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he says the whole thing's a hoax you actually have to draw a negative inference and assume
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if he's covering it up there must be something there if there wasn't something there they would
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release the files and so that's why I think this entire thing has disqualified him completely I
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don't think it's one narrow issue a singular issue among others and even if it were it's not a minimal
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issue I think it touches everything so I mean there's almost just a sense of like don't be stupid
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that he's yeah and not in so few words but that's kind of like a why the fuck would this be happening
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uh if we you know a negative inference is required at this point he called you stupid you are stupid
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you are stupid because he called you that and now you're behaving that way there's no other way to
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describe it so I feel like he's Nick's already essentially dispensed with the best weapons that
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Alex has yeah which is like the don't throw the baby out with the bath water we're getting some
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good things sure RFK is good homan's good if it weren't for them it could be somebody worse yada
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yada yada right you've already been there and Nick has essentially disarmed all that we've been doing
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this for 20 years we're we're past it and now uh Nick goes on the offensive even just in his opening
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like uh volley uh and is just like and also trump sucks and to your point about what comes next
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because that's a very good question a lot of people wonder if trump is failing or that's the
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perception on many of these issues like the foreign policy like immigration like the Epstein cover-up
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question is well what comes next are we at the mercy of the left now are we supposed to now just
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be buried under zoran mondani's and kamala harris's and race communists and sharia law and this sort of
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thing what i at the same time trump is this simple adage when you come at the king you can't miss
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and what does that mean well obviously we all understand what that means it means that when
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you come for the king you have to finish the job you cannot take half measures it's actually worse
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to take a half measure because if you come at the king and you miss all you do is make the king mad
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and the king has an army and the king has power so if trump and when i say the king
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of course i'm not even referring to trump i'm referring to this left-wing political system
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is that it if trump has been coming at the king for 10 years with the 16 campaign with january 6
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with the revenge campaign in 24 if that is a 10-year campaign going after the king and he's
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missing over and over failing to purge the bureaucracy failing to implement project 2025
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failing to fire 50 000 employees have the mass deportations if it's this slow if it's so
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unambitious if he's already compromising and walking back and people having to come up with
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defenses for it well what are we doing all we're doing is pissing off the people that really run
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the world and if you miss they get the next reply and they're going to come after all of us hard
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trump you me the supporters the people in the administration we learned that the hard way after
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january 6th so now nick is put alex in a position where he needs to be like well the deportations
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are good enough or something alex has to play that like well it's good enough and nick be like no
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it's not yeah trump is ineffective he is not doing the things that uh we all wanted him to do yeah
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and that puts alex in a just a fundamentally weak position yeah no i this is fascinating i find this
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very fascinating because first off what nick fuentes has described is a fiction that i would
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never have imagined like the the complete rewriting of who trump is fun like that's crazy if you think
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if you think any of those things were ever happening that's crazy like this is crazy do you
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believe that like i'm wondering if you mean the ten-year campaign yeah i wonder if he actually
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believes any of what he's saying or if he's trying to say the things that he think alex is alex
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believes and that way we can have a communication in there like i think i'm going to step into your
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world i think it's a little bit of that yeah and then i think it's also a little bit of uh sort of
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authoritarian myth building right you know like uh trump has waged this campaign and even that
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wasn't good enough and so therefore we must have hitler it's like man what a fucking lunatic if you
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if you see the world with that point of view that i'm flabbergasted that's what the word flabbergasted
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was invented for finding a world view like that where in the where donald trump has been crusading
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on your behalf well i think it's probably the most effective way that someone in nick's position
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can use trump yeah i would say so yeah as a as a crusader sure yeah and as a failed uh sort of
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uh like uh extreme ish option too weak nearly extreme yeah and it's also a way like you're
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saying to bridge the gap between people who are trump fans and get them to lean a little bit
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closer to you know what nick is offering it's it is kind of like a um a way to not humiliate the
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people you want to recruit right you know right i mean it's just it's just so wild because
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i i get what he's saying but like you understand that he he was in the
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so the two of these dudes could not come off different more different yeah uh nick seems
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like a sharp guy who's willing to confront uh difficult questions he's ready for blood
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and alex sounds kind of like an old drunk oh and and for the purpose of this debate we or
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conversation we could dispense with the rhetoric and just speak in practical terms where do we go
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from here because like you said we're very short on answers and it's left us with a lot of questions
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so that's sort of where i'm at powerful ten minutes nick and i agree with everything you said
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so i'm in full heart they will indict me for sure they get back in i i i want trump to be successful
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and then i watch him 24 days ago literally come out and say through that memo don't investigate
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he killed himself it wasn't even trafficking though his his co-conspirators in jail for it
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and then they said i got attacked by all the maga influencers saying you're a traitor and then trump
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two days later yeah i'm behind it shut it down so i'm in full horror mode let me ask you this
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question so i'm not going to spend 10 minutes countering back here everyone here we have to say
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how could trump even he even he was raping kids which you said there's some evidence of that
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it's obviously the cia masadi's made a deal that's what i've been told by the white house
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they're like hey we got to make a deal it's national security i'm just telling you folks
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that's what it is at least that's what they told me that makes sense why then would they bring
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attention to it and behave like this well he's 79 he is been in nine years basically as the president
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i couldn't handle this at 51 and the truth is is that trump doesn't give up he doesn't break down
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but he cracks up okay so this is kind of apology for trump you know like this is kind of apology
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do you mean like whenever you say ah he i accuse this man of doing this thing and then i say i'm
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sorry he is sometimes very stubborn i'm sorry he's very old i'm sorry i understand that your
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criticisms are accurate i am apologizing on his behalf giving you an excuse or reason that does
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not actually address your criticism whatsoever yeah and leads you away from the obvious conclusion
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that nick is clearly pointing at yeah that's that does seem like what an apologist would do
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yeah yeah and and i think that there's such a vibe here i i i don't know if alex and his old
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buddy tito have reunited yeah or if it's just in the evening and alex is tired could be uh i'm not
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i'm not totally sure but the the vibe that you get is nick being like let's cut through the rhetoric
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no bullshit yeah we'll just talk about what we can do uh moving forward for the uh authoritarian
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fascist movement that we obviously both support right uh and alex is like how could trump do this
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to me right he sounds like yeah a guy who's been broken up with who's drunk yeah trying to
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commiserate with nick about like why didn't trump love me enough it is it is it is literally just
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sitting here being like listen yellers going out back but oh i love both yeah oh yeah he's so good
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he's he's not even feeling good he's not feeling good we have to do the right thing i'm taking
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geller out back oh come on you don't want to take him out back but it sucks when it's the kid
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convincing the dad i know i know like this is drunk dad being like nah it's fine yeah the story's
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supposed to go the other way very much so so uh nick talks about this point that alex has made
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this uh cracking up yes uh and uh i think it's i think it's fascinating this framework okay
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if trump is failing us if he's failing as a guy and and i agree with you there's some sympathy
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with it you don't say it to be mean you don't say it even necessarily to be critical but just
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descriptively this is an old man he has been fighting for a long time he is tired and and you
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can see that he can't handle it you can see that it is a crack up that he cannot handle these
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questions and you watch these press conferences these interviews it's extraordinary the way he
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keeps digging the way he gets asked about it and puts his foot in his mouth with this sort of oh
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well we need to just stop thinking about that and it's a democrat hoax and you say how is it even
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that he's fumbling this this hard so much so that people are saying maybe it's calculated
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because it is not possible to mess it up this batch see this is this why i find this really
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interesting is like why is he fumbling this so bad why does he keep digging his heels in yeah
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he this is what trump does with everything every single thing what are you fucking talking about
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since he's appeared in life yeah this is him yeah there is no cracking up there's not like this
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isn't different in any way the only thing that's different is he has found one issue that this
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media space does not want to go along with all the other times every other example that they
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can come up with of like times when like that trump didn't act like this he was he acted the
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same way about russia about stormy daniels about all of these other things it's just that you guys
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thought it was fun yeah yeah yeah you wanted to play you don't want to play this time right it
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was a lot of fun whenever he was making fun of a journalist with a physical ailments but it's not
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fun now whenever he's making us feel like we're complicit in the raping of children right well
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that's no fun yep yeah um so there's like an inability to recognize that like this is what
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this guy does this is in line with his past behavior well i mean if you if you acknowledge
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it for one second that this is his mo then it works retroactively then you have to go back and
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go oh fuck oh shit oh fuck fuck i'm an idiot yeah so yeah it unravels a ton and it's more convenient
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to just be like you know it's ironic because nick is saying you know like you can't compartmentalize
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this uh you know if trump's covering this up it touches all of these other things yeah and
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meanwhile he's trying to compartmentalize this in terms of like trump's response being somehow
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different i mean anytime you get to the place where somebody says something along the lines of
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like uh it has to be calculated because there's no way somebody could do this it is them actually
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saying this if they're smart i'm smart if they're dumb i'm dumb and i don't want to be dumb no so
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they have to be smart yeah so this dumb thing can't be dumb otherwise i'm dumb yeah yeah so um
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nick has a position that i think alex doesn't like to hear and that is that uh there's no way to fix
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this with personnel changes can we get a new running back yeah you're not gonna be able to
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get anything because like it's basically exactly what we wanted and it still sucks and he's totally
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exuberant has this like god complex situation and so we're kind of strapped in for the next
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three years and and you know i would say eight years ago what i would have said what is our
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course of action i would have said we have to fight for the personnel we got to get a new chief
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of staff we got to get susie wiles out we got to get control of the white house wrest control of it
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from the bad personnel get the good advisors in you know but we did that already and and even now
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i don't think it's possible i think that this is just how it's been the entire time and you know
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trump if he knows he knows how to get in touch with you he knows how to get in touch with all
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these people that are critical he won't do it you know and by the way the people that are at the fbi
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it's cash patel it's dan bongino it's um tulsi gabbard rfk jr elon musk was on the team so you
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would say who would he call to get him out of the mess who would be the dream team personnel that
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could steer the ship away from the rocks well they're already kind of there i mean what what
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could we have better you know if we're thinking about maga personnel that you could plug in that
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could solve the problem that represents the base could you do much better than cash patel and dan
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bongino could you do much better than vivek and uh and not to say that these are the best people
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ever but these are pretty maga people these are pretty outside the system people to bring in
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and so you wonder i don't know this and i'm gonna like i just have to say this i got a bunch of
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calls the last three weeks and the calls go like this what do you want and i've never asked for
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anything what i want is good policy i always want to be the outsider and i'm just like what do i
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what do i want heads we want heads i want make america ready and i want america first
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so there's a real understanding of this administration that we're it we're in charge
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this is the way it is and the fact that i get these calls like the top of the administration
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and they're just cutting they're cutting drive what do you want
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and i'm just like uh-huh if you're nick you just got to be sitting there like sure you do man
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what is what is happening sure sure go to bed oh my god all right so what are we doing now
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i was telling you about something but now you're just nick was making a very good point that is
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like who are you gonna replace with someone better or someone weirder right it's impossible you've
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already got all of these fucking people who have been in these places right and alex is like my
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does call me none of it is real calls me and they say what do you want and the the implication of
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the white house calling him and saying what do you want yeah is kind of like they're saying hey
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what's it going to take to shut you up right yep thus making a quiet back room deal uh with the
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media it feels to obtain positive coverage in spite of uh reality yeah yeah yeah i feel like
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that is actually worse that makes things look worse it does it doesn't make things look good no
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yeah no so alex is like uh he's in a position where he's like i gotta run yeah yeah that's
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an acceptable response i'll take that i gotta run away i'll take it south america's calling yes go
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he's negotiating with russia and china north korea and iran and just a week ago had a meeting
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with zolinski and said maybe we'll give you heavy bombs to bomb moscow and now they may overthrow
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zolinski so you get this idea that it's like a swirling crazy town and you have last week the
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ci director at that at that uh meeting they had the cabinet meeting and and ratcliffe literally
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leans back goes raw first of all like demoning out in the meeting going like
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and i'm just like i'm like literally looking at places to run to in the southern hemisphere
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for nuclear war and i'm not the type of guy that runs my instincts are run run run and and that
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and the democrats want to defeat trump and the democrats want to rape our kids and i know they're
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bad and then you got all this crazy trump delusion and i smell death and and and so europe and chicago
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europe and chicago i'm in austin big cities uh this is real world stuff so
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at this point i just want listeners of yours to know
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let me ask you this to comment to just the armageddon flavor of this but then
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larger issue is there any way to extricate trump is there any path in your view out of this do you
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smell death do you do you smell death can we save trump he keeps asking him like over and over again
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can we keep trump is there a way out of this cannot be more clear if all three of us are
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standing on a clifftop it is your and my responsibility to push him off that cliff
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that's what that's what nick is saying yeah and alex is like i kind of want to hold on to it
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hold on no no remember all the things you don't remember all the things you're saying but i
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can be dead silent remember all the things you're saying that's why we're pushing him off he is
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precious to me though i understand all those things but that actually including that that
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also includes why we should push him off he's too precious to you he alex asks nick that probably
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20 times in the interview because it's clearly the conversation that alex wants to have yeah like is
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there a path yeah and every time nick is like no i mean it's it is metaphorically essentially like
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well can't i keep doing what i'm doing no no no you can't you you change or die that's it
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yeah we have identified a fundamental problem yep can i act like uh we haven't no no so yeah alex
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desperately wants to keep trump right and keep things as they are because there's a lot of
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proximity to power built into that yeah um but nick's nick's coming in he's like it's time
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to think about the future what's next what do we want after trump because when he leaves office
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and most likely pardons himself you and i will still be here picking up the pieces and even to
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the extent that we criticize trump or have criticized trump it will make no difference
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when the left persecutes us so even though i didn't vote for him even though you've been fair
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and objective and critical it will make no difference when the democrats come in and clap
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back on all of us on the entire right wing and we will not get a presidential pardon so we'll be
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sweeping up after him one way or the other we have to start to think what is our lives what is our
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political movement what is maga the populist america first movement what will it be when
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trump sunsets and i think he's already in a meaningful way sunsetted there's just nothing
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new there it's not dynamic it's not progressive it's not forward-thinking it's just sort of static
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and waiting to be resolved waiting for him to exit stage left we have to start to think in 2028
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what is the next phase what is the next booster rocket after trump decouples what will that be
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what is the next phase because trump did not defend free speech when i got taken off and he
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got taken off everything elon because i'm only a credit words too he is the champion of that they
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ran him off susie wilds didn't like him but we're all living under that umbrella
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trump wouldn't have gotten in without elon in my view what is your view on that
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and and and so what is the elon wild card there
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well what is interesting about elon is introducing this america party i'm actually
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interested to see where that goes so alex it's kind of like can we just transfer this to elon
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can we just do that maybe we can just pretend that uh elon's drunk man and nick's nick's take
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on it is is uh not as cut and dry as the end of that clip might make it seem yeah he thinks that
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elon has uh some good potential as a guy who likes white people right uh quite a bit right um but
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also he's essentially an oligarch and right like is he going to be any different probably not i
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mean yeah your your option is like can we love bomb and oligarch into doing more whiteness stuff
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yeah but eventually we'll run out of the same things to talk about and he'll be like i was on
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obscene island too and we're right back where we start it's not a long-term solution but it might
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be a band-aid yeah yeah yeah it might be a little bit of a way to pivot over into the the actual
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next leader we'll see so i i think that alex you can tell is like this sucks yeah i fucking
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hate this he's been drinking again i don't know he might just be really tired he could be reserving
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judgment this feels very similar to the way that we have heard him speak in our previous episodes
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wherein he had indulged yes that is true there is a there is a flavor there's a similarity yeah
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but i'm i'm not convinced just yet i want to see some hatchets i get you i'm hey i'm on your team
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um but he's bummed out and like this is the worst nick on the other hand is trying to explain to him
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buddy this is good this is the best day of our lives we can get people so much further to the
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right yep if we just play our cards right yeah with trump disintegrating it's actually presenting
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a real opportunity especially in the way that he's disintegrating so wait are you are you an
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accelerationist or what are you saying i don't know that i'm an accelerationist i i'm not rooting
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for the country to break apart but i do believe that trump occupying this seat is holding back
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something more right wing i think that trump is i'm maybe a political accelerationist and what
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i mean by that is i don't want the worst case scenario to happen for america to collapse
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so that then i'm not an acceleration an accelerationist in that way but in terms of the
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gop you want to wake people up though you you want to have the wake-up call yeah i think the controlled
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opposition needs to be defeated we need to accelerate the political uh controlled opposition
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this way why do they want you off the air let's just say it the nel runs it that's to see it why
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do they what are they scared about we're not trying to bring ourselves into this folks we're
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not hunter s thompson but it's true jesus christ why do they want you off the air why do they want
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me out there what are we doing that the power structure fares well what they don't like about
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you is that you are an independent media outlet you have too big of a studio too big of an operation
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too big of an audience they they want to control that i think with me i never had an operation as
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big as yours um we get into it at different times and different circumstances and things like that
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i think what they fear about me and i've seen it even on tiktok the other day there was like this
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liberal kid and he goes the left is not talking about the rise of nick fwentes and that's a problem
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the left is starting to like nick fwentes because he criticizes trump i you know and i hate saying
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my own name i think it sounds like narcissistic but what they fear about me is that what i am
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proposing is a novel and truly reactionary alternative to what we get even from the gop
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you know in 16 they used to say and maybe you remember this but in 15 and 16 they would say
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they hated ted cruz more than trump because they said ted cruz was a true believer he's a true
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radical a true now i don't think that's true but there is this premise that they never feared trump
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as much because they recognized that trump was a deal maker would make concessions they recognized
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that trump was not an ideologue he really was a demagogue the whole time by definition whereas me
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my movement being very young being very fanatical and being very radical we do represent a threat in
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the sense that when all of these fake ideologies disintegrate what is going to be the strongest
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ship what is going to be the the noah's arc well that's why that's why the nsa and diagnosis
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and leaks they they fear anybody they don't control if you get a group together so they feel leaders
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period so let me ask you this
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what is your prediction i know it's all dead reckoning for trump
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what is the best scenario what what would you do to try to
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because he's here for three and a half years what is the best best path out of this how do we save
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trump i gotta ask you again path i gotta ask you again it's dead reckoning but how does trump how
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does trump do this he he's here for another three and a half years he doesn't have to be man you
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dick i have got an exciting new solution that nobody's ever thought of before it's called and
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you're gonna listen i think you might react to this but it's brand new it's never been tried
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before it's called apartheid yeah it's the thing from the past this novel idea brand new idea of
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us being a homogeneous social class above all others that we dominate and are extracting wealth
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from you know brand new brand fucking new um and and i think that the danger here is that nick's
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criticism of trump is kind of correct right you know the the criticism that he's a piece of shit
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and he is not uh a ideological pure right uh hard right wing person right um is true um it's just
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that he's putting himself uh in as a proxy as the the alternative right right right and in doing so
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he's not really being clear that he's like oh also when you get over to my side right uh
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i hate the jews right i hate jewish people fundamentally right and that is something that
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we are going to act we're really gonna be uh yeah this new novel reactionary kind of brand
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we're gonna do brand new it involves getting rid of all those jewish well i mean brand newly though
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in a brand new league way yeah he's presenting the like pure alternative uh to the trump
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disappointment yeah uh as himself that's the but that's like that's the alex trick
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right everybody if you make the argument this thing is not the thing it says it is then yes
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you are making accurate points whether or not i like the thing it says it is it is not that thing
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so we're in agreement right we're not arguing about what the thing is though because once we
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argue about what the thing is then we're not talking about whether or not trump is what he
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says he is we're talking about whether or not it's okay to eradicate the jews right and that's
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a different conversation that's what nick is trying to get people over to his side he's not
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what he says he is he's right i agree with him you're a good dude let's kill the jews ah god
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damn it again whoops yeah and and fundamentally like what nick is talking about like about this
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being a big opportunity yeah is that it's we can funnel a ton of people much further to the right
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into these these spaces if we just exploit this implosion correctly and alex i i think that he's
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a little bit um outplayed if i want to be as generous as possible if he doesn't want that to
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be what happens then he's being outplayed severely yeah um and i guess there is the
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possibility that just like he's kind of crashing his own ship in order to move things over to nick
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yeah that is possible it feels very much like i don't know if that's on purpose but it feels like
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this is alex's proxy way of talking about himself of of being like is there any way to save me yeah
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is there any way to save what i do because i can't i can't do the thing that i have been doing
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your thing is clearly working better at this point in time that's why we're still talking that's why
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we're talking yeah you're crushing it i want some of that crushing it can i get it without changing
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anything about me right and it's it's a shocking inverse of the relationship that he and nick had
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earlier on when alex was trying to convince him to speak in code and stop hanging out with yay
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and yep just cut it out with the hitler stuff and we can make some money together buddy
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yeah now it's the the roles have have essentially reversed never oh man time time passing ah never
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makes you feel good yeah yeah you look back and it's like that's not how it's supposed to go
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so alex is bummed out yeah i mean this is the disaster and so so nick there's a lot of questions
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there why do you think he covered it up what do you think is going to come out how the democrats
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think they can only limitedly expose him when they're heavily involved where do you see that
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going i agree i think they're going to keep pushing it you know because this is the first
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scandal that's really hurt trump all the other stuff nobody really believed the russia gate the
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stormy daniels for the most part that never left a mark because there was this assumption among the
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base that look the left is going to lie about trump they're going to try everything they're
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throwing everything other than the kitchen sink and the rest of it but this is something that
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it's just unavoidable i mean the trump base these people like cash patel they played up the eppstein
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files for years it's so brazen so this is going to leave a mark and now that the left has found
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something that is so effective super effective they're just going to hit this all day long
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now fortunately for trump there's this summer recess for the congress so they can punt this
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i don't know that that was even the best idea because when the congress reconvenes guess what
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they're going to do they're once again going to force the issue so we're going to pick up in
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september in the next legislative session on this yeah so i i think that uh i think that nick is
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fundamentally missing a point but i think it's somewhat intentional yeah and that is that like
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the left has not discovered something that works no you guys just don't you're not playing this
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time yep all of those like like i mentioned earlier all those other scandals that uh trump
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uh you know navigated fine yep it's because he has a robust well-funded media machine in place
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that distracts everybody and it's like oh no fake news this is a democratic hoax yep if they had
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just had message discipline and done that from the beginning on this this probably wouldn't be
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hurting trump at all the only it's not the left it's you yeah the every single fucking time
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all of you have been in a losing position your move has been ah that guy's a pedophile that's
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your move that's been like the at the in my back pocket i've got the call that guy a pedophile
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that move is taken away from you if your guy is a pedophile and it doesn't matter if he is or isn't
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because it didn't matter if what you were calling was a pedophile was or wasn't what matters is
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would it sound like it was in a conversation where i'm arguing with somebody and now it you're gonna
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lose yeah it's just uh we have they they they've reached the mendoza line of what the right-wing
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media will yep will do and uh this is fully within their power yeah um yep this is all i mean in a
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way you could also say like here's how we keep him from getting blackmailed we say it's okay for him
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to do whatever he wants it to do it's one it's one easy trick that could solve everything yep
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so uh again nick is trying to explain to alex that the glass is half full here man yeah i'm
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opportunity i'm loving this you know some people look at this as dreadful i look at this as kind
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of like momentum this is an explosion of energy that can propel maybe something even more anti
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establishment into the four you know when people like liberals were pointing out trump is losing
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with the younger demographic trump's approval among the 18 to 25 is crashing out more than any
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other demo the old people don't care but the young people are furious about this and the left said
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oh this is the rebel and this is the main issue and he thought he had the political cachet to say
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shut up and a person with a 70 IQ would have known that was a disastrous move which was the
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mental acuity of him and his advisors but in particular with the young people he and i agree
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because he he thought he could do it but he didn't the young people are leaving and the left is
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telling us oh great trump is losing the youth this is a great day for the left but trump is losing the
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youth not because the youth are going to the left he's losing the youth because they're more
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right wing than trump trump has created a generation of nick flintises and groipers that's
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my next question i saw you talk about this and i like charlie kirk about his enemy and i think he's
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been brought along but they're literally having struggle sessions now when you've been banned from
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their events i've been there when you get taken out by police the fact that they tried to ban you
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from the building only made you bigger do a little short thing on that sure well you know last week
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they did this turning point struggle session on israel and what i said on my show is that for
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many years back in 2019 i came at turning point usa as a critic from the right turning point was
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considered the rightmost youth organization in the country and they were the gladiators against the
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left they were the most pro-trump the most right wing then here comes the groipers that are saying
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you're not right wing enough on the social issues on immigration on identity and in particular on
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israel and their first response back in 19 was to ban us they banned me from their events they
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kicked the groipers out they fired the groipers that were sympathetic in their organization
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and they tried to ignore us they tried to purge us they tried to pretend we didn't exist
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fast forward six years later and their whole organization is filled with groipers
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their events are filled with groipers the youth is about as right wing as me maybe they're even
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more right wing than me even and again literally an event with their people about this now um yeah
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you might he's a tired he's a tired man you know it's a classic quote right you know if you're not a
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raging conservative monster in your 20s you have no heart but if you're not a
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pointless not functional liberal in your 40s you have no brain yeah yeah what if you're a washed up
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sad bankrupt guy whose business is about to be liquidated go to south america run run oh man
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i think that there's an indication in that clip of a talking point nick wanted alex to bring up
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i think he wanted to bring up the struggle session thing yep um it's pretty specific wording that
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alex introduces nick clearly has prepared thoughts on this it kind of feels like oh this
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was part of the thing that uh we're going to talk about this i i i i think that uh it's an
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indication of nick calling some of the shots yeah yeah there's i've there's i've practiced this in
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the mirror energy on some of the yeah set me up tee me up alex yep so there's also like a uh uh
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just a bummer of a reality that is like we've uh we've taken your stuff yeah we've taken these
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kind of center right things uh pretty far center right yeah uh like a turning point like an info
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wars yeah and we have infected all of it yeah you we have now pushed everything we've we've uh we've
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exploited your obsession with free speech we've exploited uh fears around lockdown and pandemic
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and all this stuff in order to move everything super far to the right yeah we have forced you
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to bequeath power to us and now your god king trump is uh is shown to have no clothes
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and uh we're gonna we're just gonna take over now it's it is so much like hey y'all have been
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feeding these people some form of diet coke their entire lives and if that's all you've had then one
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sip of real coke is going to blow your fucking mind and that's that's what we're yeah that's
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his pitch and so nick is invested in uh you know not caring about trump instead he wants to find
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basically the next hitler yeah i don't think that trump was all bad i'm not a trump hater i think
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that he did a lot of good for the country but he was never he in my opinion he was always the first
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step he was always going to hand the baton to somebody else he was planting a seed he was
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destroying institutions he was kind of like a necessary first part of a long story and so if
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we play our cards right and are smart what happens next is we decouple from trump and like he did we
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imagine what is the next step of this what do we want and we take the baton from trump and from
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this administration and we take it forward in 2028 we take it forward in 2032 and we look for
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a young avatar of this new movement that can run for office maybe as a congressman is there
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anybody out there uh right i don't know anybody in particular people say thomas massie i don't think
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he'll be the guy uh dan bilsarian has talked about running for office maybe it'll be somebody
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like him uh maybe it's somebody we haven't heard of yet it could be somebody this is a big country
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it could be somebody that nobody even knows your name i think all he knows is the fuck word i mean
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he is a little yeah he's a little jocular but you know i would underestimate him
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i'm not against him it's like you know dude you got a vocabulary you know it's like
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i don't know but yeah i know what you mean hopefully if he runs for office maybe clean
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it up a little bit certainly clean up the language well not you nick
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i might run for office at some point um i think at this point in time i see myself more as like
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a vanguard and i think i may be more powerful not in a campaign because you get in a campaign
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and then they turn it into well i got it you know you're more like john the baptist out there so
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the emo john the baptist yeah i get it i get it uh hey alex i'm you yeah i'm you but harder yep
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yep um i i i feel like uh alex was really trying to be like could you announce a run yeah yeah
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yeah yeah some some sort of set him up like uh oh now we can now we can get you out of my media space
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and put you into a place where you have rules on what you can and can't say hey nick uh who were
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who's a new exciting young candidate that you're interested in let's pretend that you didn't uh
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weren't yay's campaign manager like a year ago yeah like we've been here we know who you want to
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promote come on stop fucking playing games come on so alex is like i need to take a break yeah i
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think he had to pee or something yeah that makes sense but uh they they go to break uh and they
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come back and alex is like this is not a debate this is awake all right well i appreciate nick
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point that's really smart guy being with us tonight nick j. point is on rumble and on x
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he'll we're gonna end this in about 30 minutes we're gonna take a few calls right now call it
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a debate i mean it is a discussion i would say more of a wake and and i don't want to agree with
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him totally that trump's done i i think there's some chance to extricate he's woke as i said three
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plus weeks ago before he even came out this is trump and going against what he promised to do
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the abstein thing has created a wedge the democrats are coming after but that'll look at
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all the other issues and how he's so much better than them on others and i want to keep the house i
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want to keep a senate i want to hold on to this please nick tell me i can please i just want to
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keep my trump toy we're just never going to get to a spot where it's like guys the democrats aren't
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actually your enemy they've been non-stop trying to just be like can we live together i just want
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to live in the same space as you you guys are your own enemies your imaginary enemies are your own
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your real enemies are absolutely your own and you're going to eat each other alive with this
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trump bullshit yeah and that's essentially what this conversation is actually about yeah it it is
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about can we not destroy this fun costume we've been wearing uh the hats are fun and nick's like
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you got to put away the hat you got to put away the hat it's time to grow up it's weird to hear
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this from a 19 year old alex it's time to grow up yep yeah so um nick uh i think he has a point that
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is obvious but also entirely invalidating of their entire point right and that is that uh hey man if
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if trump would just do more crazy shit we'd be fine with all this what you know it's like you
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said and and we're kind of in agreement on this even if all of this has happened if he went after
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his opponents like clinton and obama and combi and clapper and if he raised some of these departments
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and agencies to the ground and he did the mass deportations he would be forgiven you know he's
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a lame duck and that could cut both ways you could say nothing new can come out of it he can't win
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again at the same time you would say he could kind of burn the house down on his way out meaning not
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necessarily destructive but he could really go for it and he could really go for the institutions
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and really go for these bad people and this is a crisis this is like a hot potato he has it pass it
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to the next person you know double it and pass it to hillary clinton why is he caught holding
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the bag and dying with the ebbstein thing so so essentially nick his position this whole time has
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been when alex is like can we salvage trump yeah it's like no yeah but his actual position is yeah
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if trump would kick all of the immigrants out of the country right if he'd lock up all the semi
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powerful people on the left right if he would destroy all of these parts of the government
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yeah if he would do that dictator shit like for real yeah yeah i wouldn't care if he's an
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ebbstein file i would he can do whatever the fuck he wants i already want him to be a dictator why
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would i give a shit if he's raped children yeah my problem is that he's not doing this other shit
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that i want him to do yep so in effect nick is giving alex the answer how do we save trump trump
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could be saved right if he would just right be hitler if he was here's the thing in reality there
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is no way to save trump in fiction if trump were a different person the person that we lied to
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people and said he was then yes i would accept anything he does that's what we're talking about
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he is not that person yep he's proved it beyond a reasonable doubt that's all we can say but it
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makes the uh caring about this uh seem a little bit stupid yeah because you obviously don't care
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about ebbstein you don't care about uh what any of this portends right you you you would forgive him
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yeah this is an opportunity you want and and that's like i think that most of the people who
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are attracted to nick fluntis most of the people who are his fans yeah they understand that yeah
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they aren't disillusioned by some like uh oh no this is calculated right no it's ruthless
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practicalism yeah yeah and and i think that that is a a place where he can say shit like this and
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it doesn't really matter yeah on its face it's invalidating of pretending to care yeah but his
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audience doesn't demand that he pretend to care yeah they don't again they don't really care no
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and even then even what he's describing is like here's what he could do give heads people are
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calling for heads they want heads his head seems pretty obvious to take right now so if he gives
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people other heads they'll maybe go away yeah on some level that is basically the subtext
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so they take some calls and uh they get a call uh from a nick fan okay just forgive me a little bit
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i'm a little nervous because uh you guys are both my inspirations especially nick yeah i just
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recently became a boy for i don't mean to uh take off time but um listen stop apologizing you're on
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the air just what's your point okay so my question to you alex was if nick were by chance to start a
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goyper war against like the trump movement like would you be in like would you be a part of the
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movement because i'm getting tired of these judeo catholics judeo christians in the office
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dictating our government and i just let me respond to that
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three weeks ago i came out day one and said this is bs within hours of breaking and i'm trying to
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figure it out since so i am at war with the republican establishment trying to control trump
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so it's not do i i would if nick launched some war against trump account already has
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i would then gauge it and say do i agree with it he kind of already did it so i think you're kind
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of like behind the curve here i think we're already here and we're saying we want to get
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trump steered back can he be salvaged we're having a discussion about this that's not the
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discussion that's happening and what this caller is asking is essentially a take maga and kick the
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jews out yep that's the groyper war that's what we're here for are you in favor of that alex alex
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can't not understand that these are the conversations that are be are being had this is
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what this caller is asking him yeah um and uh listen we're all people but i don't believe that
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should we purge non-people from our group cut to six months later you know we purged a lot of these
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non-people from our group but i'm starting to think there's some more non-people in here let's
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get rid of these guys too and there we go yeah yep so i i think that alex is either delusional
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about what the conversation he's having on the show is or he wants it to be this and either is
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unacceptable i think that's that's an interesting like if he does mean kind of what he's saying then
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he would have some intentionality between behind this of being like i am not openly saying i'm on
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the groper side of the war but do you see me having this conversation and saying you're totally
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right nick i think you're right i think you're right nick nick i think you're right like you
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would understand what's happening now yeah yeah there's a there's a feeling of hedging yeah a
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little bit uh it's disgusting so uh nick uh i mean look for whatever i think i i've been thinking
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about continuity so much okay and alex is completely disconnected from continuity right
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nothing matters tomorrow doesn't exist yesterday is an imagination right but nick kind of has to
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live in reality sure and so trump said i don't want your support right and that doesn't go away
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just because you want it to go away and so nick's like i'm gonna remember that my first inclination
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is we have to punish them you know and i know people didn't like my tactics last year but my
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first instinct when i heard this is when trump said i don't want your support my first thought
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is that needs to be on billboards that needs to be projected at rallies come to the midterms people
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need to say and remember that i don't want your support you're right our only hope is killing his
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hubris like there's any salvaging him which is actually working some he you know he tried to say
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take the vaccine people backlash he backed off exactly exactly gut level is trump salvageable
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no gut level no that's like i would say probably the 20th time yeah he's asked that it is just
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repetitive please i mean that's this is such alex being that kid whose daddy does everything for
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like even listening to it now is like i know but i'm gonna ask you again because maybe this time
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the answer is gonna be different and do you know why i do that because eventually it will be
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different eventually i'll wear you down and i will get to ride on that little fucking horse because
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you'll give me that quarter yeah that's going to happen i think that that that's one very good
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possibility that he's just like i i think if i just keep asking it'll change yeah or um he
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really really wants this to look like a conversation where there are possible right
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like right right right viewpoints is it about both sides conversation and it's not yeah yeah
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he's saying the same thing over and over again and nick keeps saying no is there any way the
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climate isn't changing no okay now i like that but is there any way that the climate could be
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not changing no oh and now we brand this conversation as a debate on climate change
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yeah it's it's it's either really really stupid or an expression of him just like i'll get my
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way eventually yeah yeah um but like i think i think there's something so interesting about
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uh nick being like we gotta put this on billboards yeah and alex is like yeah that'll get trump in
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line and nick's point is not let's get trump in line not get him in line we will get another
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leader we are punishing him yeah for failure that's called holding somebody accountable we
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will use that against him to boost someone else right right we are not helping trump
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do anything anymore yeah so uh alex is like but what about the dams what about the dams
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do they even exist right now not to nick how do the democrats try to connect him to emstein
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when they're completely convicted of it it is a he without sin throw the first home
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i don't know that that applies i mean if they're all guilty of this then they all gotta go
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you know what i mean like um well you know we could say the democrats are hypocrites but then
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we could say trump is a hypocrite no i agree but how do they use emstein on him when they
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they're confirmed involved yeah again i i think it depends on what's in the files which we don't
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know but at the same time trump runs the doj so the onus is on him you know i mean i'm really just
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not interested in that when people say democrats and republicans i say you're repeating yourself
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you're talking about the same people so republic rips and demoblood yeah there we go
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republicans yeah jesse ventura's back baby um yeah this is an unfortunate uh instance where
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like uh oh alex you can't really argue with this this is what this is what you say according to
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what you say this is what you say yeah this is what your career is based on yeah and uh the
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person throwing your shit back at you is saying who cares yeah this is almost like a murder
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interrogation there's just there's just so much like you know we know you know we know right yeah
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but what if i you know i don't think i was there that night you were we know we know you know you
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know i don't think i was you should ask for a lawyer that's what you should be doing barnes
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exactly for a lawyer right now so uh one of the biggest allures obviously of trump
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as a political figure is this idea that he is anti-elite which is anti-oligarch yeah
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gold toilet having people tend to be anti-oligarch yeah yeah and so nick uh points out the very
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obvious uh thing that trump is a fucking oligarch oh what on the trade on cutting deep state funding
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i mean there is a lot of good happening nick that that's what's so painful about this
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yeah i i don't know i like i said i don't think you can treat it as a singular issue and
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we talk about oligarchs i mean trump by definition is an oligarch he is a billionaire i mean
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look at his cabinet linda mcmann howard lutnick uh scott besant scott besant comes from soros
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he worked for soros i mean if they're not oligarchs then who is peter teal jd vance i mean
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look at the people that supported trump getting into office it was silicon valley wall street
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the israel lobby and then trump hired all of them i mean all the people in the dod and the pentagon
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are musk people if elon musk and peter teal are not oligarchs who is so this is what i'm talking
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about the saudis crump split i mean that looks pretty real oh i think it's real but you know
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that's just one other oligarch i think that that's got nothing to do with what's going on at least
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elon musk was calling out the epstein stuff on june 5th he said that he's owed an apology
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absolutely and i said it and you said it too the day it happened i said elon is right he has no
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reason to lie and everybody said oh that's fake trump deflected from it so yeah absolutely but
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you know this whole thing about oh epstein's one little issue it's about the republic or whatever
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first of all we don't have republic that is a fiction second of all trump is the oligarch
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candidate um if there ever was one he is the congenital oligarch if there ever was one so
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um but maga people need to wake up this is what i'm talking about these are like the the mind
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raped these are the raped brainwashed people that bought into the scam and they think that trump is
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carrying the banner forward it's like look around you i mean that's what i mean i mean they see the
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good appointments and things better than democrats i don't do lesser you know of two evils but
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overall the lesser of all trump supporters just might sort of the cute tards well now they're
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waking up too it's just it's hard to look at the democrats and then just totally turning this trump
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but i i get what you're saying it's a bad sign let's take a few more calls um that's uh weak uh
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weak response on alex's part yeah because what nick is doing is directly confronting what alex
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does yeah he is the person who's like blindly turned uh you know like trump into this like
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a meme yep or whatever like that's the bread and butter of of infowars and
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he's just saying no what you what your shit is is hollow yeah it's empty and i'm going to poke a
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hole in it people like lies but now is not the era for lies i guess i guess that's what we're saying
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yeah and uh i think that alex wants uh his his last sort of retreat is this idea of like let's
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fucking latch on to elon musk yeah and nick is even kind of like resistant to that or at
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least not signing off on it he's an oligarch too he is one of no no nick is nick is very much
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like oh man this revolution's going really well oh no why am i getting beheaded god damn it
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robe spear it's it's just him man it's just the way these people operate it's never going to be
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enough there's never going to be enough heads yep so uh they go to some more calls and i think that
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one of the arguments that i've um made and i have been saying pretty much since alex started
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fucking around with nick yeah is that the way that this media space works is you are just
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somebody who stumbles across some kind of conspiracy content like alex's yeah and you're
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like oh my god this is interesting this guy is very convicted he sounds very sure of himself
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he pretends that he's read all these things right and you get interested in that and eventually
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it becomes unsatisfying because something like this trump thing happens and you're like oh wait
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alex is full of shit yeah i need something harder yeah and so you go to nick and then before you
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know it you're uh blaming jews for all the ills of the world that'll happen and so this caller
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essentially followed that exact same path right hey so i just want to say like really just shout
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out to both of you guys i'm a huge fan um really like the way that this conversation went because
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i was almost a little concerned on twitter when i thought it was good to big i love you guys both
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uh started off listening to alex jones moved on to listen to niff guentez really it's not much of
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a question it's more of a comment i just personally don't really understand why so much of the trump
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base is giving him even like a shadow of a doubt i mean he's literally broken almost every fucking
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promise at least in 2024 let alone 2016 right and i feel like there's a level of almost like
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like you they think that like eventually hold like honor his promise and he'll live up to what he
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promised and like every time like how many fell for it again awards are they going to win before
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they realize that he's controlled opposition in my opinion well this is where i could actually
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debate nick and i appreciate your call they dismantled border enforcement they've scaled up
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and yeah it's less than obama did and let's see that before because they didn't have the
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enforcement they from what i've seen my sources they're really trying to scale that up so 96
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shut down on the border coming in scaling up deportation is that really a fair attack
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on on trump i mean he is saying oh we're gonna keep people here with you know for for farming
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visas and things so he has gone back there but i mean in general is trump really breaking his
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promise on the border nick 100 yeah and the reason why i mean look i agree with you it's miraculous
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what he did at the border border crossings are like zero which is unheard of and that would have
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been good in 2017 but it's 2025 a lot of people don't have the perspective that you and i have
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illegal immigration was so bad then 10 years ago that we elected trump then we had four years of
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biden where 10 million people come in now they close the border that's too little too late he
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promised mass deportations closed border that should have been a given that should have been
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a given from the beginning now they've given us closed border they promised mass deportations
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we're six months in they haven't even started and they go well you know that's going to happen later
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i mean when is that going to happen and by the way here's why people are concerned
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maybe you'd be willing to say oh well it'll do it next year they'll do it in a couple years
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will they in the middle of the midterms joe rogan says well we only want the criminals out
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the uh all-in podcast the tech bros they're going to say we only want the criminals gone
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look suffice to say it ain't happening alex and trump essentially and you know so many of these
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other figures in in that media space have created a disillusionment machine yeah and eventually a
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lot of people will end up in the same kind of position as this caller who gravitate towards
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trying to find uh something harder and they find nick and he's calling in and alex is like fuck
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maybe i can still appeal to this guy trump's doing pretty good on the border he's doing pretty you
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know he's trying to do his talking points of why you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath
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water and he's hoping nick will just be like yeah you know what that is one good thing about trump
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but instead he's like no no a hundred percent trump has not lived up to this campaign promise
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and that's why he appeals to these people who have been disillusioned by by alex's shit i mean
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to go back to the beginning he's he's right you know when you come at the king you have to go all
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the way you can't be like i think it's bad that the king did this but i'll forgive them you gotta
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go after it you gotta go all the way so no it doesn't even matter yes no i don't even care i
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threw the glove down so now we fight there is no like but i'm pretty right no i don't care we're
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fighting now yeah how does it serve my interests in any way to be like yes this is good enough
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yeah no absolutely not no i we're fighting yeah so uh we get another caller and uh this guy was
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on hold for an hour just to uh christ sort of baba buoy them great uh except with a uh kind
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of anti-semitic thing great go ahead uh sean go ahead hey good evening fellows hope you guys are
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well just want to say uh christ is king mary is the mother of god we pray for the conversion of
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the jews all heretics and infidels okay that was it well that was a good call he yelled for like
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an hour to say that nick wow based yeah very based we got we got that out of the way we should have
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started with that at the beginning all right uh nick in arizona your hotel gonna go ahead
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that last guy's gonna be hard to follow yeah wow yeah so i mean alex is just letting his show
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become uh uh sort of carnival we're just saying the nazi catechism or whatever it is now that's
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just what we're doing yep cool um cool yeah he's he's either uh very interested in this becoming
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what his show is acceptable on his show or he has entirely lost control of like what's going on
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it there's almost no other explanation yeah i mean i could i can definitely just see him like
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where do you go run run go to south america you have gold buried somewhere just get out just go
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yeah there's nothing for you here there's only watching nick fuentes pick your bones with his
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fucking teeth and and if you run there's a hammock somewhere yeah sandals oh my god there's a hammock
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yeah i want to run right sure and nick fuentes isn't even nipping at your heels no not even
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bothering me so i think that this has been alex has described it as awake yeah i would describe
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it as humiliating yeah and uh alex is is like just really bummed out about all of this stuff that's
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going on yeah and he's talking to a borderline giddy nick fuentes who's like we can use this
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this is gonna be so good and that's not the energy alex needed um and so as as they wrap things up
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i think he's gonna he's trying to feel good about something yeah and so he decides to make fun of
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the q people great and uh we got it he seems to be talking about himself oh god damn it all right so
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and congressional hearings about abstein does trump keep doubling down i mean how bad is that
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good how trump plays it is up to him but i i don't see him if he hasn't done anything different yet
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i don't think he'll do something different in the future so i think he'll try to punt it i think
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he'll try to pass the hot potato uh and i think it's just going to become a big shit fest just
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like the ukraine thing the ukraine call the russia gate he's never been particularly good
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at this stuff so i think it's just going to be a big ugly mess and the whole thing is going to
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be lining as the q tards saying he was going to expose all the pedophile rings they don't know
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what to do now with this are you sure they still have their theories i still get it on x i still
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get people saying there is no yellow fringe on the flag today you know what that means and
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we're like no what is that no they're like you know he's gonna bust the pedophiles and now they
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don't want to do with us right wait that's what that's your whole thing i literally your thing was
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he was going to bust like all the pedophiles in the world yeah and now you don't know what to do
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with this no because he's a pedophile you're talking about yourself and claiming it's the q
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people yep and then nick is making fun of like the fringe on the flag that's sovereign citizen
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shit that's alex maritime law that's alex's bread and butter from way back oh my god they are just
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making fun of what alex is and pretending it's someone else yep um i don't think this is good
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for any anyone except nick uh yeah that comes out way ahead that is exactly right that is exactly
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right in this in this world nick is playing it the way that you should play it yep in this media
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space yeah the um what alex represents yeah is um kind of a vestigial thing yep um he was really
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helpful when you needed to speak in code right and you needed to like worry about social acceptability
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and people uh you know just being like i don't want to give you any money you're a bigot
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yeah um and that has gone that is that is uh no longer necessary that that beetle was really
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important when the the wasp was a larvae eating it from the inside out in order to gain all that
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strength but then once it becomes a wasp it doesn't need you anymore right and it flies away
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right and and like uh you know lee atwater uh has said you know the southern strategy sure
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you know busing and you know states rights and all that stuff was with meaningful code because
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you couldn't just yell slurs right um and and that is a statement i think that is uh archaic now yeah
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and nick knows how to surf these waters clearly yep and uh yeah alex is gonna get just kind of
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outrun people are gonna change yep yeah it's gonna happen and and i think that honestly that doesn't
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i don't know how much it changes the calculus for alex sure because most of his audience is probably
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um at this point old people who don't know what like right the internet is right well it feels
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like what is dead can never die levels of territory of like yeah he's a walking corpse
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but also he you will never stop walking yeah i think that whoever's there is there and i don't
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think that they're like they're not the young kids who are gonna take over uh turning point meetings
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nope or whatever um and so nick is almost it feels almost more like he's doing this for sport
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then then there is a practical like poaching that's going on sure but alex i think believes
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that he has a possibility to poach nick's audience yeah like he thinks it's going to go that
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direction right and that's but that's that's nick's advantage right it's going to happen
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and that's why he's doing that's why it's smart to do it now because it's going to happen to the next
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guy alex will no longer be the target once nick quits to a certain point then it'll be the next
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guy and the next guy will be the target and the next guy will not be alex so there'll be at least
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a little bit of a higher standard of quality when it comes to uh trying to steal his shit yeah yeah
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anyway um this is a bummer but it's kind of exactly what uh the progression of how uh
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the epstein case yeah uh the mishandling of it on trump's part it's wild the uh the right wing
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media implosion around it this is how uh this goes yeah and um i don't know man just watching it
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just watching it it's it's like
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you know you just don't think it's real you just don't yeah it's all playing out like a movie would
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but it's not a good movie no no no and it's um you know you want it to you want it to not be
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real because there's something kind of funny about these people as characters exactly but it is
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unfortunately real and involves the president it is funny it is funny it is the problem is it is
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funny it is kind of funny yeah it's just also horrifying yeah the stakes are awful but it's
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a little funny yeah um but we cannot dwell in this forever right and there is ultimately no fundamental
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truth i don't think that is to be found from alex's uh can i please keep trump uh stand yeah
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like there isn't there isn't some deeper truth behind that and as it stands in the present day
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we are in a situation where the courts have ordered that the liquidation of info wars can
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move forward and trump has essentially sent federal troops into dc so we've gotta we gotta
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move along sure and uh we've had our fun with the eppstein stuff yeah and uh i i bid alex adieu
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with this uh horrific attempt at damage control um but we'll be back uh with another episode indeed
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we will until then though we have a website indeed we do it's knowledgefight.com yep we'll be back but
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until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am the mysterious professor oh yeah yeah and now here
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comes the sex robot andy in kansas you're on the air thanks for holding
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hello alex i'm a first-time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you
