Transcript/1062: July 8, 2025

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Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.

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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.

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I need, I need money.

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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.

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Andy and Kansas. Andy and, Andy and.

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Stop it. Andy and, Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and, Andy and, Andy and.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Knowledge Fight dot com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes. I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are. Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question for ya.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today buddy?

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My bright spot today, I don't know if it's a bright spot, but it's just what I've been thinking about.

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Okay.

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I am in the kind of mood, uh, lately where I think MOP's song, Andy Up, is the perfect song.

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I think it's the best song that's ever been written.

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Okay.

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Uh, that doesn't, that speaks to where my head's at.

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Yeah. Okay. That's the best one ever written.

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Ever.

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Okay.

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It's the platonic ideal of a song.

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Here's what I like.

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People threatening to rhyme.

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Here's what I like about when you reach that level of like, I mean, that's music criticism baby. It doesn't get better than that.

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That's how it goes. No arguments. Five record stars.

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It gets me hyped. It gets me pumped up.

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And that's all I'm looking for right now.

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How many times in a row have you listened to it?

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A bunch.

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But like really?

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Uh, I think I could probably go for three before I want to shift it up.

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Three? Straight? Three times? Alright. Alright.

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But I could go to the remix featuring Busta Rhymes.

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Alright. Well, I mean.

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And then switch back and forth. I might be able to extend this to like five or six.

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Man, Busta gets greater with time. I think I appreciate Busta more over time.

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Sure.

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Amazing.

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Pass the kovassie.

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Ah, God. He's...

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Put your hands where your eyes can see.

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He talks very quickly.

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He does. He was a very fast rapper.

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And you have to nod your head until you break your neck.

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Yes, absolutely.

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A lot of great stuff.

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When the world ends it will be because Twista and Busta have a talk fast off.

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I bet they've done a song together.

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I'm sure they have. But they've never tried to defeat each other at the end of the world.

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But there was a song on ELE 2, Extinction Level Event 2, Busta Rhymes album.

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Where he did a rap fast off with Mystical.

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Like the two of them were showing off with each other.

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Sure.

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Twista wasn't there but the two of them are both people who talk fast.

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Sure, hey. Listen, but you know, you kill Sean Connery.

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You still gotta go up against Connor McLeod.

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Listen, the Highlander is the Highlander.

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The quickening is what beckons us all. It's Twista versus Busta at the end.

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Sure.

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So what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is my man. Later on tonight.

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My wife and I are gonna watch a new season of The Challenge begin.

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah.

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I didn't know that had happened yet.

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Oh yeah.

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I also would like to tell you that there's a song by Busta Rhymes featuring Twista called Can You Keep Up?

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See, this is what I'm saying. I think they understand each other. Fair enough.

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But I also think it happened...

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Twenty years ago.

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Yeah.

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In 1998.

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Yeah, so...

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Whenever those guys were relevant, Jordan.

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So I think this has... maybe the question hasn't been settled.

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Yes.

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But the question has been asked.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I'm sorry.

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No, no, no. I'm a thousand years old is the point.

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Speaking of which, The Challenge.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Now we can talk about something almost 30 years older than that.

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What are you excited about?

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I don't know. I don't even know.

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Do you know the cast?

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I don't know anything. I'm going into this episode fully... no knowledge of what's going on.

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Nice.

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I'm assuming that we're doing a whole new thing.

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Oh yeah, a totally new thing.

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Well, I mean, in terms of the last challenge was four groups of people doing that whole thing.

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The eras.

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Right, right, right.

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The old people, the young people, the slightly old and the slightly young.

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Right, which is like the four quadrants of a movie studio or whatever.

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But yeah, I don't know. We watched... a couple of weeks ago my wife put on an old season of The Challenge

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and we watched the original Rivals, you know?

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And to see the game construction back then, now it's completely different, you know?

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Yeah, it used to be party games.

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It used to be very simple.

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Spin around in a circle and drink milk.

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Yes, absolutely!

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Who's not gonna throw up?

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Some of this...

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That used to be what they would do and now it's like Hollywood stunts.

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No, they have escalated. They're driving cars off cliffs and shit, you know?

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Yeah, on a fairly regular basis.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, their budget has gone up considerably.

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And people used to be fit, sure.

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But now some of these people look like they're roided out. Like, it's crazy.

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Yeah, and a fair amount of the content of the show is like montages of them working out.

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Yeah, absolutely! Yes!

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The focus of it has gone from party alcoholics to Hollywood stunt people.

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No, it is crazy. When you watch one of those old seasons and you're like,

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we've spent 20 minutes on these people fighting and drinking.

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There's not been a challenge for a while!

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No, they're wasted and they're yelling about a misunderstanding.

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Absolutely.

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And that's content.

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That's what we do.

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I had forgotten that a new season was starting and I know nothing about it.

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So I'm excited to jump in blind myself.

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We're gonna do it. It's gonna be fun.

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Sweet. Well, today, before we get to that, we have to do some work. Do the job.

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And that is talking about July 8th, 2025.

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The continuing unfolding of the Trump-Epstein cover-up.

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Wild.

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Shit's bad.

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So hard to remember how long ago that was.

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Yep. When this ball started rolling. Because it's still rolling.

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It is!

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Like, in the present, we're still having...

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People are still talking about it.

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Well, it was just the other day, Trump was talking about Epstein stealing...

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Yeah!

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...gafre from him.

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Yes!

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Okay.

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All right. Sure.

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All of this is... We're in aftershocks even to the time of the recording.

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But yeah, on the 8th is the day after the FBI put out the memo.

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Right.

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And so that's where we are.

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All right.

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And we'll talk about how Alex is doing.

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But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, Gene Hackman sounds like what Hideo Kojima would name a biochemist.

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Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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Thank you. Next, rest in peace to Daddy Funk.

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We still miss you and love you and one day I will snort a bump of your ashes.

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Please give me a sign if this is okay.

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Eternal love from Jamrock, Ferrell Doe, Papa Wheelie in your earhole.

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Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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I hope you don't get that sign.

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And thank you, Shart Marks. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you. And we have a technocrat at the mix, Jordan.

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So thank you so much to Deirdre from London. You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy Shart!

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you very much.

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So the FBI released their Epstein memo on July 7th, and it initiated a meltdown in the right wing media.

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The propagandists and shit talkers who made their career stirring up a satanic panic to use against their political enemies

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had to somehow spin the news that their messianic leader, the guy who was supposed to be the only thing standing between the devil and all of us Americans,

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wasn't going to arrest anyone who worked with Epstein.

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It was a slap in the face, but more importantly, it was very bad for business.

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Idol-worshipping Trump had made them a lot of money, and this created an inescapable fork in the road.

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Down one road was maintaining support for Trump, but that came at the cost of losing all credibility you may have had when it came to pretending to care about crimes against children.

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Down the other road was maintaining the conspiracies that fuel the current satanic panic, but in order to stay in that boat, you now have to think that Trump is a villain,

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which requires you to give up whatever connection you may feel exists between yourself and the power structure.

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You may have given up the idea of ever feeling connected to the power structure again if you want to go down this road, because Trump was supposed to be the savior, and it turns out he's a fraud.

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How are you supposed to ever get on board with the next, oh this is the real anti-establishment guy?

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You almost have to become totally disillusioned.

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Yeah, and if your main base is massively religious, it's going to be hard for them to get over breaking at least seven of the Ten Commandments on that one guy.

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Yeah, so on the seventh, there was still a little hope that maybe Trump could sell out all the people he appointed to high-level positions in the Department of Justice, and maybe this could save the ship.

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It was Pam Bondi and Kash Patel who promised that there would be these big revelations, and they did the big PR stunts.

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If Trump threw them to the mob and pretended they'd acted against his direct orders, maybe the base would accept that sacrifice and everything could go back to normal.

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But by the eighth, you would have to be delusional to think that there was any hope of that.

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Countless figures online and in the larger right-wing media were clearly not buying the FBI's memo, and were making it clear that this was a pill that they were unwilling to swallow.

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Elon Musk, who had retracted his earlier accusation that Trump was in the Epstein files, decided it was safe to play that game again, and started trolling more.

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There's just nowhere to go. Trump is acting in ways that are transparently corrupt, even to his most in-denial supporters, and he's telling people who are concerned about it to shut up.

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The only chance you really have as a Trump-worshipping media outlet is to give lip-service opposition to what's going on, try to get people excited about another shiny set of keys, and hope things blow over.

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The only other alternative is to do a reassessment from the ground up of how you could have been so wrong about this guy, and Alex isn't going to do that.

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No. No, no, no, no, no.

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So on the eighth, here's where we are as Alex begins the show.

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Alright, I am extremely torn today on what is the most important story.

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How could you be torn on what's the most important story?

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Well, I mean, you know, on the one hand, sure, we have this satanic panic and it churns out we should have been panicked about being Satan, but on the other hand...

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Anything else?

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Methylene blue is kind of going up. We're getting a lot of eyes on this thing.

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Yeah, you get the sense immediately out of the gate that, like, okay, I think you want to talk about something else.

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Anything else.

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I think you may be in denial about what is the most important story for you to cover.

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Anything else.

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What could it, what could it, and I mean, in a way, it is inarguable that there are more important things to be talking about.

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You know, there's the ethnic cleansings happening in like three different places right now.

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These are very important things.

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But on the other hand, these are not important compared to what could be the downfall of the presidency.

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You know, like what is happening?

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No, and I would argue that a lot of those things are far more important for serious people to be talking about.

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Sure.

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But for Alex, there is no other story.

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That I agree with.

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Nothing else exists.

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Absolutely.

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It's so, it's an elephant in the room that if you talk about anything else, people are going to be like, what the fuck?

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It's in your house. This is your wheelhouse. We are here for this.

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Yeah.

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So Alex, I mean, he can't avoid the topic.

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Right.

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And so he gets back to the theme of Trump is taking control of a blackmail operation.

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Not a good theme.

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And I was the first to say yesterday, looks to me like Trump's taking control of the blackmail file that the FBI and CIA had.

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And that he would then use that against the deep state as they've been using it against their own system.

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That's what it is.

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And some people don't understand how that works because some folks aren't very smart.

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Scary how dumb some people are.

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But it's scary.

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But I'm not defending that.

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I think that's extremely dangerous and immoral.

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But I did war game out why Trump had made that decision.

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Well, if I said that was my speculation, but I think that was the case.

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Well, now, today and yesterday, Trump put out a statement praising Cash Patel and Bonjino saying now they can move on and do their important work of fighting crime.

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So that's Trump saying, no, this is me.

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Of course, it comes from Trump.

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I love that people want to go, oh, it's Pam Bondi, throw her overboard or any of this, and I'm not trying to attack Trump.

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I'm just simply going to lay out the facts here.

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OK.

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And because.

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No women, no kids.

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I'm like Tony Montana.

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I ain't killing no women, no kids. I'm not hurting women and kids.

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And I'm not getting anywhere near defending any of this stuff.

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Yeah, so that's he's stated his his line.

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You're right on you're right next to defending this stuff by saying the things that you're saying.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Very near defending this stuff.

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Quite near.

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Quite near.

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But I think that what he's trying to evoke is like a feeling of, oh, no, he's trying to perform like he's surprised.

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Right.

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At this turn of events.

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Yeah.

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Like, I don't want to be anywhere near this.

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Oh, my God, I am quite near this.

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I mean, this is it is it is.

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It is almost something that I want to experience or perhaps am experiencing as we speak right now.

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Right.

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The idea of a mental block so strong that you're forced to try and argue against this.

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I don't even know what that would feel like.

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Maybe I'm going insane.

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Maybe all of this is because I'm arguing against something like that right now.

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That's the only explanation, because this is insane.

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Yeah, no, I think it's just insane.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think I think that Alex is just he's he's reached a point where even he realizes, like, there isn't a way to like have my feet on both sides of this divide.

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Nope.

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It's just not going to sustain.

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And he doesn't know what to do, really.

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But he knows that one side is like, OK, I've been really clear that is like child abuse devil stuff.

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Yeah.

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I know that I can't support that.

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Yeah.

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I have to be against that.

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Yeah.

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So in a sense, what we're seeing is Alex wrestling with like, oh, my God, there actually is like a primary directive.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, why can't you just if all the times just go back to your instincts, your instincts as a giant, weird ape gorilla man, start screaming that this guy sucks.

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Move on.

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Yeah.

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You're an ape gorilla man.

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Scream.

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Yeah.

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Don't like it's it's supposed to be like, OK, now he's the devil.

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Right.

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Done.

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Oh, we found the new devil, everybody.

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Why are you trying to split hairs about this?

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Be joyous about it.

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Be like, surprise, the devil's inhabited Trump.

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Now we get to go on a new hunt.

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Yeah.

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But instead, what Alex does is tries to find the jangly keys.

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And so there's some other headlines about people attacking ice.

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One hundred and sixty ninth day of the Trump presidency.

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And to say things are white hot and incredibly fluid and incredibly dynamic and dangerous would be an understatement.

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Tuesday, bombshell broadcast 11 members of an anti-veteran cell apprehended after attempting to kill ice agents in an ambush.

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Meanwhile, Democrats are officially going into civil war mode, escalating attacks against federal agents nationwide.

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Must watch.

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Share my feed on acts and info wars dot com.

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Ford's last show.

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So that's the headline for his show on this day.

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And I get that Alex doesn't just have one story to cover, but he kind of does.

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The headline for this show can't be about a planned ambush of ICE agents.

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It really does need to be about the chosen God King deciding that he wants to start using blackmail to control the world.

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ICE ambushes can be big news for Fox and Friends or some other outlet,

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but Info Wars has been a religiously driven propaganda outlet that existed to promote Trump for the past almost decade.

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They've exploited sensationalized conspiracies about the abuse of children to argue that Trump was the only solution to the evils in the world.

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And now it looks like he's part of the evil plot all along.

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Yeah, yep, yep.

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There is no other story for Alex.

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His job is to clean this mess up and trying to pretend anyone cares about this ICE ambush on a day like this.

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That's an act of surrender.

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Yeah.

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On any other day in the past, this is a perfectly fine headline for him to cover or to write this as like, oh, here's what we're going to cover today.

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But on July 8th, this is cowardly.

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This is the pinnacle of a man running from what he needs to do.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but if there's a situation, I kind of want the president and really powerful people in the situation room,

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all together, working on stuff.

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Not like, ah, we're going to get out of here and let you guys handle this one.

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I got a whole different story to work on.

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Honestly, we got some other stuff in the works, so I'm going to get out of here.

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There are very few things that are like, okay, this preempts all coverage.

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Yeah.

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But this is one of them for Alex.

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All of these people should be on like a giant conference call like, hey, it's me, Tucker, I'm calling from Maine.

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Everybody feeling good today? Like, that's what it should be.

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Yeah. How are we going to spin this?

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How are we going to do this? Because I have no fucking clue.

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Yeah. So Alex spends a fair amount of time on trying to make people scared about Antifa.

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Sure.

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And then he announces that he's going to cover Trump's cabinet meeting, that Trump is doing.

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Go protest at an abortion clinic in a big city and they'll show up.

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And like half of them, like, big black circles around their eyes.

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I mean, they're demon possessed folks.

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And so they're cranking up, they're getting ready.

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And they are very low IQ, usually meth heads as well, but they have professors above them.

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That's always their control officers who are the managers.

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But you don't see them on the street. They're back behind the scenes, pulling the strings with the NGOs.

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Now, that said, though, they got smarter leftists that, again, are just going to go up in a parking garage or in a panel van,

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go out to one of these demonstrations, whether they're attacking police and all this, and they're just going to point at the crowd and spray them.

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Are they the smarter leftists?

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And then leave a MAGA manifesto there.

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Hmm. Doesn't feel very smart.

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Just like when you got the guy going, he was going to kill with a group, but now we don't hear who the group was.

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70 lawmakers.

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And it was going to be blamed on Trump and me, of course, and magically, I mean, I said the week before that happened,

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and then they go kill a bunch of lawmakers or illegal aliens or Black College, etc. programming, and then magically the laptop or the manifesto.

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It's because of me, of course.

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I mean, it's just so predictable.

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So I've kind of set the table there.

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That's just some of what we've got here.

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But I want to go now to the live roundtable cabinet meeting that Trump's just now kicking off.

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We'll listen and watch some of this, duck in and out of it, and then I'm going to hit the ground running.

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The main transmission is really going to start when we go to break here in about 10, 11 minutes.

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When I come back, I'm loaded for bear. I'm ready.

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He's ready to go.

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Doesn't seem like it.

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Doesn't seem like it.

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The Minnesota shooter guy, like in the letter to the FBI, said very explicitly he was working alone.

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Alex has just made up that there's a group that now we don't know about.

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You know, he's in a tizzy.

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And no one cared that he was an Infowars fan.

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Nope.

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No, everyone probably just expected that was the kind of shit he was watching.

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Pretty well assumed at this point.

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There's no consequences for Alex.

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Nope.

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So there have been some floods in Texas, and a lot of people have died.

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Yes.

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And so that's what Trump's cabinet meeting is supposed to be about.

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Right.

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You know, is the response good enough? Is FEMA doing enough? You know, that kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has an interesting take on the floods and the response to them that he's going to share before we go to this cabinet meeting.

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Okay.

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Now they're blaming one of the little towns for not putting a million dollars worth of alarm systems in.

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I mean, most of these towns, there's like one gas station.

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Okay, so there's rivers and mountains.

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And when you go out of these areas, people need to understand that they need to be aware of the weather.

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I'm not blaming anybody.

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I'm just saying being brought up around here and flash floods about everywhere, particularly in the hill country west of Austin,

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because it's mountains and hills and scrub brush when a ton of water comes down, it gets concentrated and it rises.

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And it's a tragedy.

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And it's the nanny state, though.

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Is that what it is?

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It's the creep in and take control of everything. If they have their way, you will be able to leave out your front door.

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We can make it really safe. We just lock in a cage to do it.

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Now, people have gotten away from the land. People have gotten away from common sense. People have gotten domesticated.

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And, you know, you got big storms coming in.

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Everybody I've always known knows you get to high ground.

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So what happened is, is people have just gotten too soft and it's sad.

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And when you get soft, you get hurt.

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We'll be right back. Stay with us.

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Yeah, people are too soft. That's the problem with these these. What happened to weather weapons?

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What happened to like globalists controlling the weather in order to push their agenda?

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Like people are just too soft.

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I mean, this is dumb.

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Of all of all the things to go with for Alex, it could have been it could have been easy to to blame it on liberals doing something, anything, anything other than just being like, hey, you guys are weak.

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If you die in a flash flood, it's because you have it coming, because you're weak.

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Because the globalists have made you soft with their sirens and warning systems and math about storms and National Weather Service.

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Right. So just if you have lost a loved one to these, just remember Alex Jones called them weak and basically said they deserved it.

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Well, yeah. I mean, they should have smelled something in the air that told them the storm was coming.

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They're in the mountains. They're in the hills.

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They're not connected to the land.

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They're not connected to the land.

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No.

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Oh, man.

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That's not something you want to say.

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It's not great.

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That's not something you want to say. You don't talk shit like that. That's too much shit talk.

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So Trump was having this cabinet meeting about the federal response to the floods.

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Right.

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And lo and behold, someone asks a question about Epstein.

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What a surprise.

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And Trump yells at him.

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Yep, that sounds right.

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And this happens while Alex is on commercial break.

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And so he comes back from commercial, I have to assume deflated.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, Trump's live televised cabinet meeting is just now taking questions from the press.

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And Trump just went off, basically blew up at a reporter for bringing up the Epstein whitewash.

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Project we're witnessing.

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And that's what it is.

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And I've told everybody this is going to be huge yesterday.

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It's going to be huge.

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It's oh boy howdy.

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So this is about the worst response that Trump could have had in terms of these people trying to, you know, sort of save the ship.

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Was it something along the lines of shut up? I don't know why you're still talking about that.

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Yes.

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Was that the one?

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We'll play it when Alex plays it a little bit later.

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But yeah, someone asked about like, hey, you know, that FBI memo said that Epstein wasn't connected to U.S. intelligence or any other country.

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Can we get a comment on that?

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He was asking Pam Bondi.

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Yeah.

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And then when Pam Bondi started to answer, Trump was like, we're still talking about this shit?

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Right. Okay.

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Yeah.

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All right. That's nice.

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It was a bad, bad response.

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I mean, you know, I feel like we're pretty close to the territory of him just being like, drone strike that guy now.

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Get him out of here.

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Oh, boy.

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I have telekinesis.

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This is not good.

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Yeah. Yep.

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So Alex is like, man, they should just shut up.

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Yeah, boy.

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I think that's true.

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You couldn't come up with a plan to cover this up and have it blow up bigger.

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If you're going to cover it up, you just shut up about it and say, oh, we're investigating.

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But no.

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No.

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So I want Trump to succeed.

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I've investigated this and the victims, over a dozen of them that are confirmed victims of Epstein.

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Who fingered Bill Clinton and all of them said, no, we never saw Trump at the island.

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We never saw him at Zorro Ranch.

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We never saw him in New York at the place.

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And we've always known that.

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And you got the fake Jane Doe's over and over again that would come out that were fake.

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And Eugene Carroll and all of it.

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So I did my investigation into Trump over this back at the time I endorsed him nine years ago.

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Plus.

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So why then would Trump do this?

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And I'll get into that in a moment.

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But Trump's really gotten where he doesn't get testy with reporters.

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He just makes jokes at once. He doesn't lie.

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But the fact that he got upset here is chumming the water.

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Or it's suspicious.

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Here's what I like.

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Yeah.

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Here's what I like about this.

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This experience right here for our entire length of time doing this.

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Right.

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The enemies of Alex, the globalists have been exactly as dumb as Alex because they are Alex.

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They are Alex's brain working out dumb plans.

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Mm hmm.

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For the first time his enemy is actually dumber than him.

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Because he's right.

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They could have just not said anything.

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Well his enemy is dumber than him and it's who he supports.

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Exactly.

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And it's his.

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I don't know.

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He's a pretzel. He's tied in knots.

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It's too on the nose.

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I think this is contrived.

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If I'm a writer and I see somebody do this with their characters I go listen buddy.

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I'm like, a hair.

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Here's what I would have liked to see in response.

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Yeah.

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Because this press conference cabinet meeting is happening while Alex is on air.

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Amazing.

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So he's having to internalize this information and just go with it.

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He should just start screaming simulation.

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Absolutely.

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No.

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No, I'm ready to start screaming simulation.

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Not real. Not real. Everything's fake.

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Absolutely.

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I mean yeah, panic.

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Throw caution to the wind.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Trump, that response that he had is about as bad as it gets.

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I mean, wow.

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Especially because the context of it is very important.

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This was a question that was not really being asked to him.

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It was being asked to Pam Bondi and he stepped in and deflected and got mad.

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I mean it is sometimes funny because Trump is responding to what should be happening.

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Which is the people asking him about how he's an Epstein guy.

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But it didn't happen.

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Again, he's responding to things that people aren't doing.

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But they should have been doing that.

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It's wild. It's very strange.

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Yeah.

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So Trump, he put out this FBI stuff.

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And this cover up.

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Because he made a deal with the globalists.

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I guess.

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And he needed to do that because they were about to start a civil war.

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That makes some sense.

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Which Alex says has already started.

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But we've just pretended that didn't happen.

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Oh, okay.

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The globalists are not keeping up their end of the line.

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Oh.

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So I'm seeing a lot of really good work here.

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And I'm seeing the Democrats ratchet up the violence.

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There needs to be blood. Democrat lawmakers say their base is prepping for violence.

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We're going to get to that coming up next hour.

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So.

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If Trump did make some deal with big elements of the deep state.

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To stop the civil war they're trying to trigger.

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And all the rest of it.

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Well it doesn't look like the Soros people and the NGOs got the message.

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Because they took their calls for violence.

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From high to ultra high.

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And they are attacking and confronting and shooting at ICE people all over the country now.

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They just arrested 11 anti-voterrists.

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In North Texas who had to kill.

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ICE agents.

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The ICE agents took them out quickly.

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They shot a cop.

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But he didn't die.

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Can you imagine if the Trump supporters went and did that?

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It would be the end of the world. Of course we wouldn't.

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I can imagine it quite easily.

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It happens pretty frequently right?

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Yeah that Minnesota thing was uh.

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Yeah it was a very short period of time ago.

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Yeah it did not uh. It was not the end of the world.

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It's easy to imagine that because it happens.

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And don't even forget the sovereign citizens.

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Yeah just like fucking cover your story.

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This is too much like hey look over here at this.

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It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing.

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And you should feel embarrassed about it for him.

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Yeah but I think that Alex instead of feeling embarrassed just feels kind of sick.

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Yeah I mean I don't know.

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I would not know how he would express actual feelings and emotions that he's having.

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You know? So this could be him being embarrassed.

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We just don't know how he actually feels.

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Yeah I think that um. You know contrived was a good word.

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This doesn't just doesn't feel like someone who's speaking with their full chest.

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No.

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So Trump is getting in on the conspiracy and Alex is just like.

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I think he's still maybe kind of good.

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If they were going to use the blackmail file they would just shut up about it.

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And then say they were investigating and slow roll it.

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Instead oh we've got it. Oh it's going to come out.

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Not just Bondi. All of them.

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That's loading the gun. Putting it in the deep states head saying we'll do it. We'll do it.

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We've sent it to the FBI offices around the country. We'll do it.

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And then they come back and say fine we'll stop our attacks on you. We'll roll over.

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We'll get out of the way of your project to relaunch America and all the great things you're doing.

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But you got to come out and say it's closed and it's over.

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So that you're tied to it so that you can't ever stab us in the back.

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And then this is what you get. That's how this stuff works.

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And that's what I believe is going on. And I wasn't sure of it yesterday.

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Though my gut was. And now.

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I know it.

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And it makes me feel.

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Sick.

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He's just made up all of that.

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It's just the story that he's telling himself to not have to deal with like oh Trump was bad all along.

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Yeah. This was just a really bad idea. I mean this guy sucks.

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We've been tricked.

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There's got to be somebody there. Like if I'm in his ear.

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I'm like hey weren't you the first guy on the Epstein stuff.

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Weren't you the first guy there. Shouldn't this be like your dude. You know like.

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This is your story. Like how do you not have a voice in your ear constantly just going like.

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This is you. This is what you're for. Maybe.

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This is your actual Gene Hackman. Gene Hackman is not real.

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This is something that you are actually in place for to do the thing.

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Except for the fact that he is exaggerating his own past in terms of you know like the real world.

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Exactly.

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He's supposed to be that guy.

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Yes. Absolutely.

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He's supposed to be the guy who's like I was the first person on top of these WikiLeaks and I knew all this stuff.

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And I talked to Ted Gunderson when I was a kid.

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Yeah. Yeah. You you were never the tip of the spear.

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But in this one situation you could be.

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It's there for you. You could fulfill the prophecy or whatever the fuck you want.

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But he's going to choke it. Yeah. Like Gene Hackman.

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Well it's like the gift of the Magi kind of situation.

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You know he's he's sold his pocket watch in order to get Trump's.

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Oh Henry.

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Oh boy.

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Oh okay.

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So not last night Trump put something on social media about how he supported what the FBI was doing.

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And it made Alex have to lie down.

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When I saw that statement by Trump yesterday afternoon I just again I'm not normally like this.

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I had to go lay down in my office.

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About 20 minutes.

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Because I got a piercing headache.

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Because we need Trump to succeed and he's doing so much good.

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But you can't.

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Try to control evil.

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You can't decide well you know for the greater good because it would hurt America and the stock market too much.

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This is just too horrible. We can't bring this out.

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And then the way it was done.

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Which I guarantee you making the deal with the globalist to supposedly roll over.

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They said well just do this which was the trap.

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And of course that's the last piece that hasn't been confirmed but I guarantee you that's going on.

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Yeah.

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That's exactly how it went down.

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And that's how evil gets you.

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You think you're going to manipulate it and use it for good and then it stabs you in the back every time.

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That's why you can't put the one ring on.

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No shit. Everyone knows that.

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But this to me like Alex getting a headache.

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And who knows how much that's even real.

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But assuming that it's real it has to be because he realizes like this is the point of no return.

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Yeah.

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Like this is a devastating moment not for himself.

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Like I don't believe he's disillusioned. He's known Trump was friends with Epstein this whole fucking time.

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But like in terms of being able to sell this guy as a heroic figure to the audience.

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This is a point of no return.

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Like some people will not buy it from here forward.

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And you will lose them if you don't start attacking Trump.

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Yeah.

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And I think he recognizes that and it would give me a headache if I was in his position.

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Yeah. I mean it occurs to me just now like for these people for whom Trump is this thing that they've been sold right.

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It's never been about reality or arguments or words.

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It's always been about when I look at this guy and I hear him talk I feel like stuff is going to get better.

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I feel good about where things are going. I feel good.

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So this news can't be it can they can only feel it.

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You know like the words are not going to help Alex understand anything right now.

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He's just going to feel bad now when he looks at Trump.

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Yeah. Right.

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Well and as a salesperson for that feeling.

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Yeah.

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Like this is a point where it is no longer plausible.

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Yeah.

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That you can sell it.

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Yeah I can this this oil isn't going to sell anymore.

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Yeah it's going to sell to some people.

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Sure.

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But the number is going to be much lower.

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Yeah.

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You have now lost that feeling for a lot of people.

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And I understand. I'd lay down too.

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Hey.

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Like fuck this.

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You've you've accidentally gotten the mayor's wife sick and now it's time to leave town and sell snake oil in a new town.

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Yeah.

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So Alex plays the clip of Trump at the cabinet meeting talking to a reporter.

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Oh my God.

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And it's just bad.

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There's no other way to describe it. It's bad.

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All right.

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Go ahead and go to Trump.

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This is Trump getting upset.

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Just 20 minutes ago or so.

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Here it is.

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Yeah.

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Sir.

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Did I just interrupt a little bit?

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Sure.

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Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

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This guy's been talked about for years.

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You're asking.

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We have Texas.

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We have this.

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We have all of the things.

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And are people still talking about this guy?

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This creep?

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That is unbelievable.

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That's the most innocent thing I've ever heard.

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Do you feel like answering?

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I don't mind answering.

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I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas.

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It just seems like a desecration.

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But you go ahead.

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It's a desecration of the tragedy of the floods in Texas in order to ask this question.

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John Ronson can shove it up his butt because that is the psychopath test right there.

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If you can say that and mean it, you're fucking psycho.

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It's curious.

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Curious.

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Curious.

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That's one of the most crazy fucking terrifying things for a man to actually think is true.

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It's weird if someone said that.

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It's weird.

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And now it's the president.

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It is the president of the United States who said it.

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It's just, you know, there are a lot of times where I like, you know, that meme of Grandpa Simpson grabbing his hat and walking out?

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There are moments where I'm like, that makes total sense to be like that.

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If I were Alex during a commercial break, seeing that, I'd be like, I'm not getting back on air.

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Nope.

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I'm going home.

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Chase, good luck.

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Fuck this.

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I don't have, you know, like you can realize you don't have to do something.

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I think he does.

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You can just not do it.

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I think he does actually have to do something.

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I think he does, but maybe he doesn't realize that he could just not.

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I think that Alex recognizes that if he were to just leave, people might think he's on the Epstein list.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I think he knows that there's a self-preservation aspect to like, I can't just not talk about this.

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Yeah. And you better believe that because you haven't given Roger Stone a pardon, Stone's going to use you to be the fall guy for anything.

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Yeah. You're in a dangerous predicament having buddied up to Roger Stone.

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You've got the worst friends and you're in the worst position.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has a complaint about Trump's response to that question.

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Sure.

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And I think he has the wrong one.

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Too good?

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Okay. So you saw Trump got a lot of energy there, very pissed off.

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And I understand that he wants to move on with the peace initiatives, the economy and all the rest of it.

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But that response right there is going to elicit even more questions and more fuel.

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All right. We're going to go to break.

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Thank you so much for listening.

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Thank you so much for spreading the word.

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That's how I reach the people.

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That's how we win the Infowar.

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Today is the last day.

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It will end today.

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It's a buy one, get one?

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A BOGO.

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So Alex seems pissed that Trump's response was suspicious and annoyed that it will raise more questions.

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But I thought that Alex was the question everything kind of guy.

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Here's the feeling that you get from watching Alex's show at this point.

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Alex seems to have a fundamental agreement with the FBI's memo that people shouldn't be questioning the Epstein stuff.

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If there's actual real evidence that the DOJ has, it can't be released because it would destabilize the world and ruin Trump's economic plans.

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So there needs to be a cover up.

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The problem Alex has isn't the idea of a cover up.

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It's that the cover up is being done by the same people who promised that all of the evidence would be released.

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The complaint Alex seems to have is that no one knows their roles.

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Media shit talkers like himself get to rant and rave about all the certifiable evidence that's just about to come out any day now.

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Because they have no power to actually get anything released.

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No one's going to drag Alex in front of a congressional committee and demand to know why he never followed through with releasing the evidence he claimed he had about a criminal case.

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Because fundamentally, everyone knows that Alex's role is to talk shit.

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But the people in the government, they don't have this leeway.

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They do have the power to release evidence and declassify things.

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If they say one thing to excite the base and then do a complete 180 on it, they don't have the built in shit talker armor that someone like Alex does.

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There's going to be follow up questions and possibly even investigations.

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Their shit talk isn't just shit talk, it's an abuse of the justice system, which might still matter.

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The line becomes even more muddied when so many of the people in the Trump administration are people who used to enjoy wearing that shit talk armor.

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Dan Bongino and Kosh Patel are two top guys at the FBI and they both have had careers built on the ability to demand things they have no ability to deliver.

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Now they're in a position where there's no reason why they can't deliver on the stuff that they've demanded come out.

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And they're learning that they don't have the same shit talk armor that they used to have.

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The government isn't the same as Twitter.

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And I think this is part of Alex's frustration. He knows his role and he plays it.

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He's a shit talker, which affords him a lot of freedom to just say whatever irresponsible shit he wants.

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But that liberty only exists because he doesn't have any actual power.

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He sees these guys who have been given real power and it's annoying that they don't get that the shit talking is a liability for them now.

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They need to leave that to Alex and his ilk and just shut up about this stuff that they're never going to produce.

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The problem isn't really the memo. The problem is the behavior that predated the memo.

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Yeah. I mean, in essence, all of these people, the preferred state, the most stable state for them is to have very calm, quiet,

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untalked about government doing very competent stuff just fine.

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And then they get to bitch about all the things that aren't happening.

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Their ultimate failing, though, is that they want to get popular and rich and famous, which means they have to convince people of things that they don't want to be true, ultimately.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They need Clinton in office.

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Yeah. That's what they need. They need somebody who's going to be quietly competent at somewhat dismantling everything for the working class while also fucking strangers on the side.

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So they can bitch about that. That's the preferred state for them.

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Yeah. And they have unfortunately got exactly what they pretended to want, which is chaos government.

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Right.

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Chaos government is only going to, as Alex keeps saying on the show, shotgun itself in the foot.

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Yeah.

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Because that is essentially what Trump has done.

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Why? And this is another, like with Kash Patel, right? Like, here's the thing.

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What is it that you think makes you qualified to do that job?

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Yeah.

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Believe me, I don't think I'm qualified to do the FBI director job.

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Right.

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You would immediately recognize that in order to be in that role, you have to fundamentally change how you act.

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Yeah. I'm not going to do this.

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I don't think that Alex has like an opportunity to have a job within the government.

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I don't think anyone has offered it to him or would ask.

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Yeah.

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But I also kind of think he would turn it down because he understands that.

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I can't be the White House press correspondent and be like, the devil, the devil!

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I am not here to be competent about detail-oriented shit that will make gradual progress towards my goals.

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I'm here to say that guy is evil.

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Yeah.

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That's my deal.

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A demon is within him.

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Yeah.

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So I think that really is the fundamental tension that Alex has.

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Is like, you motherfuckers, you're ruining everything because you all want to play every position.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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You can't be the point guard and the center.

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You can't be the, unless you're Shohei Ohtani, you can't be the pitcher and the slugger.

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It's just so ironic that part of his complaint is like, Hillary knew how to play ball.

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Right.

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Okay? At least Hillary knew how to play the game right.

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Yep.

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God damn it, I hate these people.

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So Alex plays a clip of Stephen Miller laying out a bit of a white nationalist immigration policy.

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Sounds right.

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And that leads into Tom Homan talking about how, hey man, we probably are going to end up killing some people.

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Yeah, probably.

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And it's just gross.

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It's great.

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But the rhetoric has to stop.

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They're simply enforcing law that Congress enacted.

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So for Congress to attack them, to enforce them the laws they wrote, it's just, it's ridiculous.

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It's going to end in bloodshed.

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I think there'll be more bloodshed.

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Well, we already got a cop shot, shot up ICE facilities in Texas, multiple, I mean, it's here.

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And this is just the fuse being lit.

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And of course, here's all the Democrats saying, we need blood.

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We need to get our constituents killed.

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That's what Podesta said in the war games.

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They're doing it.

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Now, that doesn't mean they're going to be successful.

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Imagine the 350 plus thousand little children that they know of, that they were ordered to hand over the border patrol to NIH, who would then give them to NGOs with no documentation in most cases and just disappeared them.

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That's the real evil.

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And all the crime.

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I don't think that Alex realizes the implications this news is going to have on his narratives yet.

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I don't think that he understands that if Trump made a deal with the globalists about this Epstein stuff, then Alex doesn't really get to grandstand about all these alleged missing kids in the border anymore.

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Now they're your responsibility.

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At best, Trump is fine with those kids going missing, since that conspiracy is supposed to be connected to the globalist trafficking children for abuse and blackmail purposes.

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If Trump is dropping the ball and covering up that one aspect of this conspiracy, there's no way to credibly pretend that he's not complicit in the other branch of it.

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It's moments like this that make me think Alex kind of grasps what all this means for him, but he hasn't really internalized it yet.

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If we're supposed to now understand that Trump is complicit in the Epstein coverup, then that impacts everything.

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And it's just impossible that that version of Trump that Alex sold the audience for years, that person never existed.

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It's not possible.

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It's honestly making me confused why he wouldn't just bring back the Trump's got a demon in him thing.

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Before the Epstein stuff even happened, Alex stumbled onto the perfect explanation for this situation, but since this shit is all just being made up as he goes along, he seems unable to remember that narrative that he started building.

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It's unfortunate.

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This would be perfect.

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You know, and it is so much, again, emblematic of why we are where we are, because this is an eminently predictable situation that you could have planned for years ago.

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Years ago.

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You could have already had a plan in place for when does this all fall apart?

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Because again, we know he's not trustworthy.

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We're lying.

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We know we're lying, but then they didn't plan ahead.

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If they were capable of planning ahead, we never would have gotten Trump and nobody would be here.

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Yeah.

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And someone like Roger plans ahead in the sense that I will just attack you no matter what.

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Yeah, I'm a fish.

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I just go on the river.

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I just go forward.

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And that is in and of itself a plan.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Alex does not have the same orientation.

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He's trying to explain things away, and that's not a plan.

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Yeah.

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And if there is a point where it's like big, big emergency floodlights going off like get out of here, get out of here, it has to be the night before when Trump said,

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I support what the FBI and Patel and Bondi are doing.

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Like that has to be your sign that like this isn't going to get better.

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This is only going to get worse.

Unknown Speaker (00:50:22.000)

Yep.

Unknown Speaker (00:50:23.000)

Bail.

Unknown Speaker (00:50:25.000)

But yeah, he spends a lot of this episode not talking about this and instead talking about immigrants.

Unknown Speaker (00:50:31.000)

Sure.

Unknown Speaker (00:50:32.000)

And talking about this this attack on ICE people.

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Anything.

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Anything.

Unknown Speaker (00:50:36.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (00:50:37.000)

Yeah.

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And I just think it's confusing.

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And I am just sick of all the arrogance of the illegal aliens, all the different permutations of them.

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And I feel sorry for the people that were fleeing globalist lockdown tyranny that collapsed the third world that do want to come here and work and be good people.

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But you can't sit there and put up with any of this.

Unknown Speaker (00:51:01.000)

This is the existential battle for the West and the future of the world.

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This is the big domestic issue.

Unknown Speaker (00:51:10.000)

Rome felt bringing in too many foreigners.

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What finally they said in four, 10, you know, let's just burn it down.

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What they did.

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And so we call after that the Dark Ages or the Middle Ages.

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For a thousand years.

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And you go to these third world countries, you get away from the tourism areas, you are in the Dark Ages.

Unknown Speaker (00:51:43.000)

If I understand this correctly, the defining issue of the time is not some kind of spiritual battle between good and evil.

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It's not the elites running human trafficking operations to create blackmail, which guarantees their grasp on power.

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It's that there's too many immigrants.

Unknown Speaker (00:51:57.000)

This is an embarrassing position for Alex to have, particularly on the day when Trump literally lashed out at a reporter for asking a question about Epstein.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:04.000)

It almost feels too obvious that this is an attempt to divert attention away from the only issue that matters onto other things that could excite the audience, like their tendency towards white nationalism.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:15.000)

And I know that as far as my coverage of this episode goes, we've mostly focused on Alex responding to Epstein-ish things.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:24.000)

But a large amount of this episode is fairly standard immigration incitement.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:31.000)

Right. Which makes it, which like on a different day, you can find a reason to say those things.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:38.000)

On this day, there's only one reason to say those things.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:41.000)

And so those things can be dismissed because you don't care.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:44.000)

You're not engaging in an actual conversation with me if you're bringing that up right now.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:48.000)

Yeah. If your headline is about attacks on ICE agents.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:52.000)

Mike, get out of here.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:53.000)

Well, if you're Alex, it's just, it is nonsensical on July 8th.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:57.000)

You cannot.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:58.000)

You can't do it.

Unknown Speaker (00:52:59.000)

And I started to wonder about it and then all the pieces kind of fell into place.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:06.000)

Now, you've got a lot of the ultra right wingers or however Trump put it to my Nick Foyntos.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:13.000)

Radical right, whatever that want total moratorium.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:18.000)

And quite frankly, I think we've been so overrun. I'm for that.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:22.000)

But I'm not mad at Trump for following through on his campaign promises.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:26.000)

He always said worker programs.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:29.000)

I don't like Microsoft laying off thousands and hiring thousands of Indians the same day last week.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:34.000)

Not against Indians, but you know, you can't just replace every one of our jobs.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:40.000)

And there are a lot of Indians.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:43.000)

I mean, I thought I went to the mall a few days ago.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:46.000)

What are we doing?

Unknown Speaker (00:53:50.000)

And I thought I was in India.

Unknown Speaker (00:53:54.000)

So that's an area I do think Trump has been wrong on is wanting to those skilled visas.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:06.000)

It's just out of control.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:09.000)

Absolutely out of control.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:11.000)

All right, we're going to break.

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Come back with Nick Foyntas.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:13.000)

Oh, Nick Foyntas is on.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:15.000)

I see.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:16.000)

So that clip made me reevaluate the context of the rest of this episode.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:20.000)

Now it's gone.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:21.000)

Alex has clearly been trying to divert attention away from Trump's clear lashing out about the Epstein stuff and towards immigration-related shit.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:29.000)

It's been very noticeable from the coverage that this is on the front of his mind, the point where it's distracting from his ability to have a normal reaction to insane news like Trump's outburst at that reporter.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:41.000)

But with the context of Nick Foyntas coming on the show, it kind of makes sense.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:45.000)

Trump said that the radical right-wingers probably wouldn't support his plan to exploit immigrant labor because they just want everyone deported.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:53.000)

This was clearly talking about people like Nick because Nick is a white nationalist who wants all non-white people deported.

Unknown Speaker (00:54:59.000)

So Alex having him on to discuss this position kind of makes sense.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:03.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:04.000)

It's a prime opportunity to launder white nationalist ideas to the audience, and Alex would obviously want to make the most of that as well as Nick.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:12.000)

On the wrong day.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:13.000)

Alex's headline for the episode from earlier makes total sense in this light.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:17.000)

This episode was supposed to be about building up these immigration-based narratives and talking about how ICE is so under attack, which is meant to soften people up for Nick's appeal to support far harsher immigration enforcement tactics.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:30.000)

Alex didn't know that Trump was going to have that cabinet meeting and blow up at that reporter, but now that that's happened, Alex is just barreling forward with the show that he planned on doing, which seems fishy.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:42.000)

It feels to me like Alex must be selling airtime to Nick, or he has some internal metrics that show that his streams get huge bumps from having Nick on, and he's willing to chase that at all costs, to the point where this show looks ridiculous.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:54.000)

Yeah. It has to be something like that.

Unknown Speaker (00:55:56.000)

Yeah. I don't know what the explanation is, but it's too much to ignore.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:03.000)

Yeah. It is like... Because Fuentes can't possibly think he's going to come on and just be a racist, right?

Unknown Speaker (00:56:12.000)

Well, yeah. That's what he thought, but not now.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:14.000)

Well, that's what he thought, but not now. Right? Yeah. So if I'm him and I'm seeing that this is what I'm being led into, I'm thinking, no, no, no, no, no, no. Abort. Abort. This is not what we're ready for.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:24.000)

And I think that's what he does.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:25.000)

Oh, yeah?

Unknown Speaker (00:56:26.000)

I think he probably, as soon as they got on the phone during commercial break, was like, no, we're not talking about that stuff.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:33.000)

Yeah. Absolutely not.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:34.000)

We're not going to ignore the fact that this fucking Epstein shit is happening.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:37.000)

Right.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:38.000)

And so their conversation does end up being largely about what you would expect it to be.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:43.000)

Of course.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:44.000)

Because Nick doesn't want to put on clown makeup.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:45.000)

What else is there to say?

Unknown Speaker (00:56:46.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:47.000)

Yeah. So Alex discusses how, like, man, it's a bummer that this is going to bring more attention to the Epstein case, which is strange.

Unknown Speaker (00:56:57.000)

I have been persecuted for supporting Trump massively in the last nine and a half years.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:02.000)

It's been intense.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:03.000)

Rightly so now.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:04.000)

Put through hell. And overall, I love what he's doing on so many fronts.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:10.000)

But when he started having Bongino and Patel and the rest of them in the last few months, start doing a 180 from, oh, yeah, we got 14 terabytes of child rape and torture and, you know, and then, you know, all these perpetrators that were involved.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:27.000)

We're going to get them all.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:30.000)

And then to see really ham-fisted spin by Pam Bonjie today, the clip we're about to play after Trump snaps the reporter and gives him the laser eyes, which you don't see very often anymore.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:43.000)

That is only going to bring massive attention onto this.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:49.000)

And there are a lot of congressional hearings and all the rest of it.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:52.000)

And just the whopper of, oh, look, here's the video of around the door.

Unknown Speaker (00:57:57.000)

You can't see Epstein's jail, but his cell. But look, see, he killed himself.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:01.000)

And oh, look, the guy in Butler acted alone.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:03.000)

And oh, look, there was no black book. There were no clients. There was no black.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:07.000)

No, there was no human trafficking. But Gisley Maxwell is convicted of human trafficking.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:12.000)

Shouldn't Alex want more attention to go to the Epstein case?

Unknown Speaker (00:58:16.000)

You'd think.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:17.000)

Like, why would he be mad about Trump's very suspicious actions based on them creating more attention for the case?

Unknown Speaker (00:58:23.000)

People can investigate all they want, and Alex is confident that Trump isn't going to be implicated.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:28.000)

So if anything, Alex really should be in favor of Trump acting this way.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:32.000)

This should be an example of Trump using 5D chess to trick people into talking about this.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:37.000)

Right.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:38.000)

Alex doesn't actually want people to pay attention to that case or to question it all that much,

Unknown Speaker (00:58:43.000)

because he has a pretty well-established narrative that exists.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:46.000)

That narrative is widely accepted by his audience, but there's not really much evidence behind it.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:51.000)

So it's easily threatened by new revelations, which he does not want.

Unknown Speaker (00:58:56.000)

The status quo with the Epstein case was where Alex wanted it to stay.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:00.000)

It belongs in the territory of shit talkers, because if it's handled by people who have real-world power and responsibility, things fall apart.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:08.000)

They have to deliver something if these people who are in the positions of, like, Bonjino and Patel and Bondi are in.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:16.000)

They need to deliver something or else it's very obvious that they're fucking with people.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:21.000)

And it's okay to fuck with people when you're a shit talker, like Alex, because there's no continuity.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:27.000)

Tomorrow doesn't exist. Yesterday's not real.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:30.000)

That's part of that shit talker armor that Alex gets to enjoy and all of these talk show hosts get to enjoy.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:36.000)

Tomorrow exists in government.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:39.000)

Yesterday exists. It's on the record.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:41.000)

Yep.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:42.000)

And, I don't know, I think it's such a tell that Alex is like, oh, there's gonna be investigations about that. You should love that.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:50.000)

I mean, there's no other way to put it than Alex listened to that and went, ah, shit, Trump did it.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:56.000)

Mm.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:57.000)

Or everything. The whole thing.

Unknown Speaker (00:59:59.000)

But here's the thing. I don't even think that.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:01.000)

I think it's more like, ah, shit, there's no way I can pretend Trump didn't do it.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:06.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:07.000)

It's not even a revelation of like, oh, Trump is bad. It's like, I can't sell this anymore.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:13.000)

There was a couple of clips back whenever he was, you could hear it in his voice, this like slow down, because it seems like the spin was just instinctually coming out and all that really wound up coming was like, that's not gonna make people stop talking about this.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:31.000)

It was like, there's no spin. You're fucked.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:35.000)

And I think Nick knows that.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:37.000)

Yeah, it's hard not to.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:38.000)

And he comes out of the gate swinging.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:40.000)

Yeah, that's smart.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:41.000)

Nick, thanks for coming on. It's good to have you here.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:44.000)

I got to tell you, I know you want Trump to succeed.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:47.000)

You know, so do I. But wow, this is just something else.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:51.000)

I can't defend this or not talk about this because my soul isn't for sale and I just feel dirty even watching this.

Unknown Speaker (01:00:59.000)

Yeah, it's a complete disaster.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:01.000)

And I said this on my show last night. This is actually the opposite of what they promised they would do.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:06.000)

This is actually worse than what was done under Biden or under the previous Trump administration, because this is an active cover up.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:12.000)

They're burying the story.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:14.000)

And it would be one thing I think people might have this expectation if they indefinitely put this off.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:20.000)

They just never addressed it again. They never did a phase two reveal.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:24.000)

Maybe they left it open to interpretation.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:27.000)

But now they're coming out and they're effectively lying about it and they're denying all the critical aspects of the story, even the ones that we know are true.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:35.000)

See, this is where it's unfortunate to have Alex juxtaposed with Nick, because Nick is able to say these things that are fucking obvious.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:43.000)

And Alex has to dance around a little bit.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:47.000)

And that liberty that Nick has, whatever the source of it is, he looks saner than Alex.

Unknown Speaker (01:01:57.000)

Yeah, he's got the advantage of coming up. He's coming up at the right time.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:01.000)

You know, this kind of a crisis thing happening. Alex is clearly unable to react as quickly as he should.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:09.000)

This is when the young guy just fucking bowls through.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:12.000)

And yeah, that young person is able to be like, I don't give a fuck about Trump.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:17.000)

These people are old. They're going to die before I'm 40.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:21.000)

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody who's watching that cabinet meeting.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:24.000)

Yeah. Like there's one response that they should have to it. And it's what Nick says.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:29.000)

And that clip that you just showed of Trump in the cabinet meeting. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. It's shocking.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:36.000)

Every Trump supporter should feel humiliated at this point. And it's like you said, I don't take any pleasure in this.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:42.000)

I feel a little bit vindicated about it. I want Trump to succeed. I want these disclosures to happen.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:48.000)

And what's interesting is that Trump typically is a master of these types of media spin.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:55.000)

He's usually very adept and very quick on his feet and the master of rhetoric.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:59.000)

And this is maybe the first time when there's such a disconnect between what the base is feeling and what's going to play well in the media and what he's saying in his mind.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:08.000)

Maybe he thought this was like a really persuasive angle to say, why are we talking about this?

Unknown Speaker (01:03:14.000)

There's bigger issues to talk about. Such a completely tone deaf and bizarre. I said on Twitter, OK, poker face.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:21.000)

I mean, as if we don't know what's going on here.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:23.000)

Yeah. So I mean, like, that's really the only response you can have to this. You should be embarrassed by this.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:28.000)

You should be ashamed and feel humiliated that this is the behavior that you're getting out of your leader.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:34.000)

Yeah. He has the freedom to say that because his career is not tied to Trump.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:41.000)

Yeah. He supported Trump, you know, in 2016 and throughout because Trump was the greatest opportunity towards white nationalist policies.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:51.000)

Yeah. He understood that. Yeah. Trump was a weapon for Nick.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:55.000)

Yeah. He wasn't for Alex. Alex, like, is associated.

Unknown Speaker (01:03:59.000)

Alex became like he became Roger Stone's pet. Yeah. For Trump.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:06.000)

Yeah. You cry on air about how he died for Trump. Like his handler right there.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:09.000)

Yeah. And forsaked God for Trump.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:11.000)

I mean, this this is like this is what you want if you're an opportunist like Fuentes.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:17.000)

This is like I got all of the things that I wanted to build an audience whenever I was younger.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:23.000)

And now I get this moment of crisis to fucking clean house with all these assholes and really own my spot.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:29.000)

Yeah. And whether it's because of Alex's desperation to chase an audience or if it is brokered programming.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:35.000)

Yeah. Like it makes no sense in terms of like Nick's already established he has an audience.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:41.000)

He doesn't need to promote himself. Right. Going on Alex's show.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:44.000)

But it does make sense if you're picking the bones. Yep. Like the carcass of this guy.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:50.000)

Yeah. You're just like, all right, I'm going to. I am spending money to give to you right now, but I will.

Unknown Speaker (01:04:56.000)

That's an investment for me. I will extract so much more wealth out of this than that this money is worth.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:01.000)

Yeah. Yeah. I'm in the same way that Nick is comfortable using Trump as a tool.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:06.000)

Yeah. It's using Alex and his audience as a tool. Yep. As well.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:10.000)

Yeah. But at least we know that they're not able to be used like that.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:15.000)

At least they don't have a consistent track record of regularly going from user to user to user to user.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:21.000)

This time, I'm sure they're going to learn. Yeah. So Nick speculates a little bit.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:26.000)

And it's actually kind of close to what Alex had been saying. Yeah. Which is like Trump is just full of hubris.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:33.000)

This is all just he thinks he's untouchable. And you got to wonder what is going through his head.

Unknown Speaker (01:05:39.000)

What are his advisers telling him? Is it that he's so cloistered on true social and an echo chamber that this is just the pinnacle of exuberance?

Unknown Speaker (01:05:48.000)

Is this like a God complex type hubris where he really thinks anything goes now?

Unknown Speaker (01:05:54.000)

He can get away with anything. I'm really just not sure what the mindset is here, but it just seems like one thing after the next.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:01.000)

You know, we we just got done with the Iran war controversy.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:05.000)

I came on today to talk about immigration, which, you know, and we maybe have a disagreement, but the base is outraged about this only to get caught up.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:14.000)

And now the latest newest scandal, a new controversy about something that should have been a grand slam, released the documents.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:21.000)

And now he's actually not only not releasing them, but actually burying the story and doing this bizarre spin, running cover for it, saying no one should even be talking about it.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:32.000)

The guy's a creep standing on the graves of the people dead in Texas. This is some golden age. This is some start to the second term.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:40.000)

I hate it. I hate it. Wow. Yeah. It's almost like I give a fuck. Jesus.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:48.000)

He does. He does appear to give a fuck to like what's really happening.

Unknown Speaker (01:06:53.000)

Sure. Alex, for sure. And you can tell by the way that he's cooking, that he's leading up to something else.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:00.000)

Yeah. And that is the suggestion that, hey, maybe Trump's covering for himself.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:05.000)

Yeah, obviously. Maybe Trump is complicit. The most obvious thing to do.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:09.000)

And so people need to understand how this works. And clearly the question would always be, will Trump use the Epstein files if they weren't all destroyed, which we know they got a bunch of them, to then blackmail the deep state?

Unknown Speaker (01:07:19.000)

Or would he bring them all down with it? And now I think we've got the answer where it's going. Nick, go ahead.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:25.000)

Yeah, I totally agree. And, you know, there's also something clear, which is I think Trump is worried about what's in the files. And we have some evidence about that.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:33.000)

And I've seen your analysis on this. And I agree in some sense that if there was anything that would indict Trump inside the files, obviously the Democrats would be all over that.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:45.000)

Obviously, the Biden administration and their DOJ was in control of that information. If there was anything that they could use to charge him or anything embarrassing, probably they would have leaked out to the press.

Unknown Speaker (01:07:55.000)

It would have went to Congress. They would have filed charges. That would have been the surest way to bring him down, destroy his credibility.

Unknown Speaker (01:08:00.000)

So I totally understand that argument. At the same time, there is a lot of troubling, troubling evidence surrounding the topic.

Unknown Speaker (01:08:07.000)

First of all, you have Jeffrey Epstein testimony from 15 years ago where he claimed, and he could be lying, it's certainly possible that he's exaggerating this or even making it up, but he said that he was close friends with Donald Trump. We have that on tape. That's on the record.

Unknown Speaker (01:08:22.000)

So I don't understand how this is supposed to be, like, an argument that holds water with the right wing. They say that Trump can't be in the files because the Democrats would have released it by now to make Trump look bad.

Unknown Speaker (01:08:32.000)

But the whole point of blackmail is that you can't really release it without setting off a chain reaction that takes down a lot of people.

Unknown Speaker (01:08:38.000)

Democrats could have never released Trump intel about Epstein because they knew that he would take them down with him. It was a mutually assured destruction kind of thing.

Unknown Speaker (01:08:46.000)

If you're accepting the idea that there is this big blackmail ring, then you can't really say that this information would have been released by now if it existed.

Unknown Speaker (01:08:54.000)

That seems like a desperate angle to try and reassure yourself that Trump isn't as bad as he obviously is.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:00.000)

But you can see here, too, how, like, freer Nick is than Alex and how it makes him look like way less of an idiot when he's sitting next to Alex.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:08.000)

He's supported Trump, but his primary brand was white supremacy, and Trump was a conduit to pursue policies that supported that.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:15.000)

Trump was a means to an end for him, whereas Alex's recent career has been built around worshipping Trump as an end unto itself.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:23.000)

Because of that different positioning, Nick can easily say, fuck this dude, without really having to rewrite that much history.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:29.000)

Whereas Alex is pretty limited in his ability to do that. He needs to... he just can't do it. He doesn't have the trigger.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:39.000)

Yeah, yeah, he's a... what do they do? He's a bag holder. He's one of the meme stock guys.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:47.000)

They all get in, and the reason that it goes so high up is because everybody's got all this enthusiasm, all this belief, this hardcore belief.

Unknown Speaker (01:09:55.000)

And then it all goes to shit. And there are some people who are like, ah, I got off at the right time. And then there's people holding the bag.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:03.000)

Yeah, and if you're someone who's in Alex's position, I really think that it's in your best interests to not associate with Nick.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:10.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:11.000)

Because Nick is going to just make you look like an idiot.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:14.000)

Oh, he's gonna eat you alive from the inside. He's like a wasp laying his eggs inside of your head right now.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:20.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:21.000)

Yeah. This is ridiculous.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:22.000)

If Alex thinks that he's going to be able to glean any right-wing credibility off of interviewing Nick, he's delusional. It's only gonna work the other direction.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:32.000)

Out of your mind, yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:34.000)

So Nick brings up that Musk's been tweeting again.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:37.000)

Great. Good stuff.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:39.000)

And another one of Alex's buddies is maybe getting a finger pointed.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:43.000)

Great.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:44.000)

A week before the strikes in Iran, Elon Musk famously says on Twitter, the reason you don't have the files is because Trump is in them.

Unknown Speaker (01:10:53.000)

Today, Musk is saying that Bannon is in the files. Now, once again, this is one person's word against another's. This is Elon Musk.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:01.000)

And he's got a reason to play into that. He's got a rivalry now with the president. He was exiled from the White House, wasn't able to achieve his policy priorities, which is cutting the deficit.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:11.000)

Was it?

Unknown Speaker (01:11:12.000)

He's got a major bone to pick with Steve Bannon, so it makes sense why he'd say something like that. Would he make something up like that out of whole cloth?

Unknown Speaker (01:11:19.000)

Would he? Probably. But is he? Probably not.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:23.000)

Yeah, I mean, Bannon has a lot of association with Epstein that people seem to forget from time to time.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:30.000)

Here's something I find interesting about these people. Here's something I find interesting because it is, I think, taken for granted.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:37.000)

His instinct for who and when and where and how much to attack. Right? Like, this would be a fine time to go whole hog. Fuck Elon Musk.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:48.000)

He's probably in the fucking, who gives a shit? You know, like, let's go. Let's go after all these rich people.

Unknown Speaker (01:11:53.000)

But he's very specifically going after, like, Trump is weak right now. Alex is weak right now. I sense the weakness.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:00.000)

Bannon has that vulnerability.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:02.000)

Yes, absolutely. But Elon is untouchable for right now.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:05.000)

It's not so much that he's untouchable. Actually, in the last interview that Nick was on, they were talking about how, like, it looks like Elon actually does have some principles.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:16.000)

Like, I think that Nick believes him to be enough of a white identity person that, like, we're gonna leave him alone.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:22.000)

Ah, so he's one of those.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:23.000)

For as much difficulty as he may have, we're gonna ignore Elon's problems generally.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:30.000)

Right.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:31.000)

Because he's having a lot of white babies and stuff.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:34.000)

Eek. Disgusting.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:35.000)

Yeah, but I think that, you know, the opportunity to attack him will be there. But you don't need to. You don't need to bite off more than just, like, hey, Trump is clearly-

Unknown Speaker (01:12:45.000)

Sure. No, I mean, but that's what I'm saying is that there is a restraint there. Because you could try and bite off more.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:51.000)

There is an opportunity out there for, you know, people who want to reach for it.

Unknown Speaker (01:12:57.000)

Some people have a good gauge of how big their mouth is.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:00.000)

Yep. It's tough.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:02.000)

So, unfortunately, Nick, as much as he is able to speak very obvious and apparent truths to Alex, he also just thinks everything is Israel.

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And so, like, he's like, this is all Israel. Israel is behind Trump doing this and doing the cover up.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:19.000)

Right.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:20.000)

And then he says something that Alex should, he should go lay down.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:24.000)

And given, again, you know, his concern about the files being released, this whole situation with Iran, him going with Israel against really his own diplomatic initiative, it seems like they have something on him.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:36.000)

And that, to me, was always the concern with this guy. He's surrounded by this element.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:40.000)

In the first administration, it was the Habbab Lubavitch, to Jared Kushner. They pulled out of the Iran deal. You had all this smoke the first term.

Unknown Speaker (01:13:48.000)

Now we're having all this stuff come back the second time. It's sort of like in the last five years, everybody forgot about all this.

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Everybody started to believe in, you know, kind of like a Trump that didn't exist.

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Got back into believing this simulacrum, you know, vaporwave, vaporware version of Trump from TikTok edits, from hype edits, videos with music playing.

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And they forgot what the first term was really like. It wasn't all that great.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:14.000)

So unfortunately, it just feels like deja vu all over again. And if we can't trust him on the Epstein files, there's some very dark implications in all of that.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:23.000)

I wouldn't say it's one issue. I think it's maybe the central thread. And once you start to tug on that, the whole thing comes undone.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:30.000)

So I'd be furious if I was Alex and I had this guy who's like, yeah, I think people started to believe a fake version of Trump existed because people like you did what you do.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:40.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:41.000)

You created a fake version of Trump that made everyone think that he was like Superman.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:46.000)

By what? By creating my short TikTok style edits of his speeches?

Unknown Speaker (01:14:50.000)

By showing memes and...

Unknown Speaker (01:14:52.000)

By only talking about short sound bites as opposed to maybe asking people to remember things about the past that happened or holding him accountable to the decisions and things he actually did?

Unknown Speaker (01:15:00.000)

Yeah. Instead, you know, like trying to just like play running meme contests about Trump and how great he is and how he's gonna destroy the fake news media.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:10.000)

Maybe Alex is doing... Maybe his career is based on exactly what Nick is talking about.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:15.000)

Yeah. But, you know, there's no way anybody could have seen this coming. So I think we all gotta eat this one. And you know what? We'll work on it again. We'll do it better tomorrow.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:25.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:26.000)

That's the plan.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:27.000)

So the concern is this notion that Trump thinks he's untouchable.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:32.000)

Yes.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:33.000)

And that he thinks he can get away with anything.

Unknown Speaker (01:15:36.000)

And I said this at the beginning of the year. It's this exuberance. He really came in in the second term. And I think maybe that's what it is. Thinking he could get away with anything. Thinking...

Unknown Speaker (01:15:47.000)

And you know, you can almost empathize with that mindset. If you survived what he survived, if you've been through what he's been through in the past 10 years, you would think, I'm Napoleon. I'm crowning myself. Like, I'm untouchable.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:01.000)

And we're in... It's July. We're halfway through the first year and he's losing even as most... As you said, he's even lost cat turd.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:09.000)

Oh no. He's lost cat turd.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:12.000)

See, but this is the other thing about this fucking asshole. It's still like, I'm selling a fake version. He's a thousand year old psycho with a gold toilet. This is what he does.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:22.000)

And what Nick is saying is still bullshit.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:24.000)

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:26.000)

Yeah, but even fundamentally, like he's saying, oh, he's untouchable now in the second term. His first run involved him saying he could shoot someone in the street and he wouldn't lose followers.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:36.000)

And he survived multiple impeachments.

Unknown Speaker (01:16:38.000)

Yeah, I mean, he has every bit of his political career has involved thinking he's untouchable. And that image has been reinforced by a media structure full of people like Alex and even like Nick who spread memes, creating a fake version of Trump to get him off the hook for all the things that would have completely destroyed any previous politician.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:04.000)

I mean, it remains to be seen whether or not he's right. I wouldn't celebrate too quick if I were them about him being touchable now.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:13.000)

Yeah, I think they'll be able to yell and they'll probably make less money, but I don't think that the proximity to power is as close as they think.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:24.000)

I think you might be right.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:26.000)

Someone like Laura Loomer has way more like actual proximity to Trump.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:32.000)

Jesus.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:33.000)

I don't know how much they because of how much excuses have been made up till this point. I don't know what depriving Trump of that in the future can actually do.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:46.000)

Too late now.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:47.000)

So their leverage may be gone. But Nick has the leverage to create a more profitable media thing than Alex does.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:56.000)

Yeah, absolutely.

Unknown Speaker (01:17:57.000)

It doesn't mean that he's going to be able to sway any real power or anything.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:00.000)

No, yeah. Nick should be thinking like, oh, I'm Alex in 1996. Here's some steps I can take. Boom, boom, boom. Here are the things that he fucked up to get here.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:09.000)

I've got this. I've got like a playbook in front of me.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:12.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:13.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:14.000)

I hope he does poorly.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:16.000)

An evil playbook.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:17.000)

So Nick has another point and that is like what Trump just did is like going to be the proof of the conspiracy.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:27.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:28.000)

What he did is what you'll be talking about in 10 years.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:32.000)

We have been doing this for how long? If the guy says, what are we done talking about this? Then he's the guy who did it.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:38.000)

Yeah, it's shady.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:40.000)

Well, and it's just like this is going to become one of those famous pieces of the puzzle that brings down the conspiracy theory.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:48.000)

This is like the JFK magic bullet and the lone gunman.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:51.000)

You know, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and the bullet made seven different exit and entry wounds.

Unknown Speaker (01:18:57.000)

And it had this miraculous pathway or like the passport of the 9-11 hijacker that was recovered on the ground of New York City.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:06.000)

You know, they say how did they do to work on the next day? Sorry.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:09.000)

Right. Exactly. Yeah. They said, how do we identify the hijackers in 9-11?

Unknown Speaker (01:19:14.000)

Well, as the plane crashed into the tower, their passports magically fell from, you know, because the plane exploded.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:21.000)

The passports flew out like a cartoon and then gently floated down to the floor.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:26.000)

So real quick, these guys know nothing about 9-11.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:28.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:29.000)

There were a total of four passports that were found intact or in pieces.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:32.000)

One was from luggage that never made it onto American Airlines Flight 11.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:36.000)

Two were found in the crash of United 93 and one was recovered near the World Trade Center before it collapsed.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:42.000)

None of these passports were really essential pieces of evidence because the planes had lists of passengers.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:48.000)

So like this didn't actually prove anything.

Unknown Speaker (01:19:52.000)

You wouldn't need to like, OK, if we're going to pretend these were hijackers, we're going to plant this passport near the World Trade Center.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:01.000)

You don't need to do that. That's stupid.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:03.000)

They had to book a ticket.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:05.000)

Yeah. So the reason that I think that this is important is because, like, Alex chimed in to say something about this and every piece of information was wrong.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:15.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:16.000)

He said there were two passports.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:18.000)

That's fair.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:19.000)

There were four.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:20.000)

That's fair.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:21.000)

Three of which were on planes.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:22.000)

One was in the luggage that didn't get on the plane.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:24.000)

Sure.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:25.000)

And then he said they found it the next day.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:27.000)

That's not true.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:28.000)

No.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:29.000)

He doesn't know anything about this shit.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:30.000)

Why would he?

Unknown Speaker (01:20:31.000)

Right.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:32.000)

It's not about knowing things.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:33.000)

It's about feeling things.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:34.000)

Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:35.000)

And he feels like he knows a lot because he's interjecting and correcting Nick about the also wrong thing.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:41.000)

What a wild conversation.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:43.000)

When you when you sit and you like listen to these two people say false things to each other, both of them just like, yeah, I'll go along with this without without any real thought to actual like the information is not being shared.

Unknown Speaker (01:20:59.000)

What is being shared is like, oh, I'm your friend.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:03.000)

I'm your friend.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:04.000)

It's like a volley.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:05.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:06.000)

They can keep a volley going.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:07.000)

Exactly.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:08.000)

It has nothing to do with like, oh, I'll take the fact that you told me there were two passports.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:10.000)

The next time he tells the story, there will be one passport.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:13.000)

He's not going to have learned a thing.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:15.000)

No.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:16.000)

Why would you listen to something that Alex says?

Unknown Speaker (01:21:17.000)

Why would you listen?

Unknown Speaker (01:21:18.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:19.000)

That would be ridiculous.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:20.000)

It would.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:21.000)

I think that, you know, these guys are I don't see a way around this being kind of correct, that this will be like a magic bullet thing that will not go away.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:33.000)

And they haven't even really got into Trump's horrible response yet.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:38.000)

Yep.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:39.000)

Like the next day when he's like, are people still talking about Epstein?

Unknown Speaker (01:21:43.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:44.000)

That's bad.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:45.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:46.000)

But then later, Trump would be like, I don't want you people following me.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:48.000)

I don't want you as my fans.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:50.000)

I don't want you to be talking to me about this.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:51.000)

Yep.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:52.000)

Like they haven't even dealt with that yet.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:53.000)

Nope.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:54.000)

This is going to get so much worse.

Unknown Speaker (01:21:56.000)

You just, you know, it is, it is not fun to watch people get hoisted upon their own petard.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:06.000)

That's not a fun experience.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:08.000)

No.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:09.000)

You know, it's like, it's not satisfying.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:11.000)

No, it's not like it's, it's not fun.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:15.000)

Even if it's your enemy, because you're still watching a guy get his head put on a spike,

Unknown Speaker (01:22:19.000)

you know, that's not a fun thing for anybody.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:22.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:23.000)

And, and people are still being as hurt as they would be otherwise.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:28.000)

Sure.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:29.000)

You know, like the people, you know, in Texas and the people around the country are still

Unknown Speaker (01:22:36.000)

suffering the consequences of poor governance.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:39.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:40.000)

Laughing at Alex is great because it is really funny that he's trying to find a way to navigate

Unknown Speaker (01:22:46.000)

these waters.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:47.000)

Sure.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:48.000)

But it does, it's still, it's not that great.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:51.000)

Just because the bullshit's fake doesn't mean that real shit didn't happen.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:54.000)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:55.000)

And so we will see how this deteriorates even further.

Unknown Speaker (01:22:59.000)

But it's crazy that we're here on the 8th and like there are sirens blaring.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:05.000)

There, it's just get out, get out, get out.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:08.000)

This is no good.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:09.000)

You can't, you can't handle this.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:11.000)

No one can handle this.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:13.000)

And it's going to get worse.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:14.000)

All the signs are there to bail and there's still more sirens to come.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:19.000)

And it's just, it's just like, guys, you like this thing about him that he's not going to

Unknown Speaker (01:23:27.000)

back down and that he will only do this more.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:30.000)

You have to know that this is going to, you want this behavior from him.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:34.000)

You know it exists.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:35.000)

You love it when it's directed at vulnerable communities.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:38.000)

Plan ahead! Plan ahead!

Unknown Speaker (01:23:40.000)

It's coming towards you eventually and here it is.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:43.000)

Oh my god.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:44.000)

So yeah, there'll be, you know, it's a little schadenfreude and a little cathartic, but we'll see.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:51.000)

Heads need to go on spikes from time to time.

Unknown Speaker (01:23:54.000)

Especially when it's a person who has built their own spike and was trying to throw other people on it.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:00.000)

If you make a spike machine that puts people's heads on spikes, your head might wind up on the spike machine.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:05.000)

It's a liability.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:06.000)

It's possible.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:07.000)

So we'll be back and check in on how this all falls apart more.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:11.000)

But until then, we have a website.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:12.000)

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:13.000)

Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:17.000)

I am the mysterious professor.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:18.000)

Woo yeah! Woo yeah! Woo!

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And now here comes the sex robot.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:23.000)

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:27.000)

Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

Unknown Speaker (01:24:30.000)

I love you.