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Dan and Jordan, Knowledge Fight.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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Ah, need, I need money.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a fish and color and a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledge Fight.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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I, unfortunately, do not have a bright spot today.
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But I do have a dark spot.
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Oh, no.
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And you listen to me.
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I'm pointing at you.
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You are pointing at me.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's not really me, but it's sort of me.
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And that is, if people are listening and have listened
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to our last episode, my bright spot was the Tony Hawk 3 and 4
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remaster.
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What's happened?
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I am already bored of this.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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I'd forgotten the dynamic that Tony Hawk games really have,
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which is they're a lot of fun for a little bit.
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And then it's like, what am I doing?
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I'm just fucking skating around.
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This is boring.
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Right, right.
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And so I have gone through that process once again
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in a matter of days.
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Because you're not a skater.
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You don't actually like skating.
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But I don't actually think that that would matter that much.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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It is painfully repetitive.
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And the environments that you're in are fun enough,
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but they're not that great.
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They have a really, really cool build your own skate park
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ability.
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And so in the way that Mario Maker, people
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could make their own levels and upload them, they have that.
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But within a few days, there's not really anything cool
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that's been made that I've seen.
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And it's tons of people putting up no effort parks
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in order to get an achievement.
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Right.
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And so it's just flooded with levels that are unplayable
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and no one wants to play.
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But once people put in a lot of time,
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I think they could create some really cool parks
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that are made by other users.
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But that's just not there now.
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And like, I don't know, I'm bored.
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Oh, that's tough.
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That is tough whenever it's just achievement hunting slap.
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That's no fun.
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Yeah, so anyway, darkish spot.
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I'm bored by Tony Hawk.
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Maybe some games are just there for I enjoyed this weekend,
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and then maybe six months later, I'll have another good weekend.
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Yeah.
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It's a little bit of like a hit, like an adrenaline shot.
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Yeah, maybe.
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It wears off fast, but it's a ride.
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Listen, I understand you like cocaine,
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but crack is also good.
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Yeah.
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Like it is.
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Do you think cocaine is long acting?
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And crack is a little shorter burst?
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Crack is a shorter burst, famously.
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Yeah, but cocaine is not a long burst.
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No, it's not like the ketamine drip.
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But crack is a little bit faster.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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Good metaphor.
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Let's take that.
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That metaphor is now my bright spot.
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What's yours?
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My bright spot is just finished up.
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The summer game's done quick.
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Always a fan.
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Nice.
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Always an enjoyable experience.
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What was your highlight?
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There was a Mega Man maker, which was like the Mario maker,
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but the guy made a bunch of Mega Man levels.
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That was really interesting and fun to see that.
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Wait, was he speed making the levels?
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No, no, no, no.
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He had made a bunch of levels and then
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was kind of showing off how they work
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and how difficult they are.
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Were other people trying to speed run his levels?
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No.
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Like he was a dungeon man?
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They were too hard.
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So it was just him.
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He had made these levels and then practiced at them
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so that he is, again, essentially the only person
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who can ever play them.
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Yeah.
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Mega Man is a game that has a pretty high difficulty
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spike, too.
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Some of those levels are pretty easy,
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and then some are painfully hard.
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So if you were in control, you could make it so hard.
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Oh, man.
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Some of those things, you imagine a difficult Mega Man
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level, but even in a difficult Mega Man level,
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you're usually always going from left to right,
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like the whole time, or up.
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Not like, OK, we've got to go back and forth and back
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and forth and up and down, and then we got to do a,
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it's crazy.
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It's crazy.
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Made like a Metroid game out of a Mega Man.
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A little bit, yeah.
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Crazy.
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People just, it's amazingly creative and really cool
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to watch.
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So that was nice.
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Awesome.
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Anything else stick out?
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I don't know.
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There's probably some other stuff I'll watch later.
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Sure.
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It's pretty good.
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All right.
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I'm a big fan of, did you ever play Turtles in Time?
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I did.
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Did you do the, OK, man.
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I don't know why, but I loved that game.
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And I feel the same way about it that you feel about Tony Hawk,
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is that I've gone back to it from time to time
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and been like, this game is great.
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Why do I not play this game?
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Oh, I'm bored.
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And then move on with my life.
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Sure.
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But it's always nice to watch.
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Yeah.
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Amen.
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Well, Jordan, today we have summer radio show done poorly.
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Yeah, something like that.
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We're going to talk about Alex Jones.
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We're going to talk about 19th to 20th of June, 2025.
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Civil War has broken out in the United States, still ongoing.
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Gene Hackman, still dead, still Alex's fault.
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Iran and Israel are attacking each other.
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Having a spat.
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Alex has made peace with the fact
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that Trump does not seem to be all that pissed off about it
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and seems to be saber rattling in a way
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that indicate that he's going to join in and attack Iran.
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So that's where we find ourselves.
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And we'll explore this a little bit of time.
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But first, let's take a little moment to say hello
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to some new wonks.
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That's a great idea.
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So first, thanks for helping me understand
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how my dad's brain works now.
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Huge props to A-Lab Series for recommending the show to me.
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Thank you so much for now, Policy Wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, big boy Troy can go the distance
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with little Ava by her side.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And the US government is engaging in disappearing people
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and state terrorism.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we got a technic right out of the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Hey Colleen.
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We're probably listening to this together.
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And you're listening to it while you work.
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And this surprised you.
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It's been fantastic nine years.
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And here's to a fantastic however many more.
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Love you tons.
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Chris.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technic right.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little kitty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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What a lovely mix of shout outs.
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Very strange.
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Yeah, declarations of love and just ominous statements
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about what our government is doing.
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Things are going great.
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Yeah.
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Oh well.
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It was the best of times and it was the worst of times.
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That's what we're saying.
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Somebody famous said that once.
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I think it was TJ.
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Yeah.
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So TJ Lavin.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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He was great.
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Thomas Jefferson Lavin.
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So the Thursday, June 19th show was a slog.
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And I'm mostly just going to skip over it entirely.
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Alex believes that Trump is planning
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to bomb Iran that night or the following morning.
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So this episode is kind of stuck in just trying
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to ramp up anxiety about that in order to sell gold
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and push the supplements.
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Alex, however, he did another interview
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with Rabbi Shmuley, which bordered on the unlistenable.
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It is awful.
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It's just two assholes being assholes to each other.
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And while it's supposed to be a debate on the Iran-Israel
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confrontation, it's really just two guys discussing the ways
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they don't like Muslims.
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What are you going to do?
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What are you going to do?
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Eventually two guys with common interests will find a way.
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It's shocking to me in a way that it also
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felt sort of like it might be paid programming,
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because Alex is super respectful to Shmuley.
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Like, he is giving him, he's like, I gave you six minutes.
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Now it is my turn to talk.
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Like, they're doing this kind of like,
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there's rules to this interaction.
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And Shmuley's being an asshole.
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He's being like, Alex, you do not love America.
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Like, a real dick to him.
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That's fun.
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Not that Alex doesn't deserve it,
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but in a way that Alex would usually be like,
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I'm going to fucking fuck this person.
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There's so much restraint that there's some sort of an
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agreement that they reached beforehand,
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whether it's financial or Alex thinks he's going to get a lot
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of attention out of this.
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Alex, you've been really anti-Semitic lately,
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so you're going to have to take it down a notch while I'm here
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at the very least.
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It's interesting, because Alex does try to do like the,
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hey, one day I'll have Nick Fuentes on, the next day
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I'll have Rabbi Shmuley on.
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Like, see, I'm not that bad.
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But it's like, yeah, you have an interview with Nick Fuentes
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where you talk about how Nazi shit is the answer,
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and you're really friendly to him,
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and you treat him like a luminary,
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and then you have a hostile confrontation
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with Rabbi Shmuley.
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It's not the same thing.
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These are not the same thing.
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No. Very different.
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So there was one exchange that I thought was really
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interesting between the two of them,
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and I'm going to just play this.
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This is the only clip that I have from the 19th.
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And it's Alex and Rabbi Shmuley.
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They've been talking about the creation of the atomic bomb.
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And this-
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Great.
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You guys have a lot to say on this.
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No, but this is actually, I think, very illustrative.
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Okay.
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But you cannot take a chance with a nuclear bomb.
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It's the reason why Franklin Delano Roosevelt,
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rated as one of our three greatest presidents,
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started the Manhattan Project.
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Roosevelt didn't know a lot about nuclear science back then,
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and no one knew if a bomb would even work
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until they detonated in the deserts of New Mexico.
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Even Oppenheimer didn't know if it would work.
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They built the bomb because they were afraid
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that Hitler was building a bomb.
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And Hitler had some of the greatest nuclear scientists
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in the world, like Heisenberg,
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who were working on his bomb, who became Nazis.
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And that's how the atomic age even started.
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Now in the end, Hitler did not have a bomb.
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So you could say, why did we do all this?
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Well, you know what?
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We may have saved a million American-
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No, no, British Special Forces went in
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and took out their heavy water and all the rest of it.
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Well, Hitler kind of gave up building it
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because he probably,
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because he thought that all nuclear science
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was Jewish science and he hated Jews so much
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that he even was prepared, as I said before,
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to destroy himself.
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Who is dumb enough to kick Albert Einstein
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out of your country and let him live in Britain?
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Oh, Smolley, I'm not saying Jews aren't real smart,
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but it was Max Planck that the equations-
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No, you're a smart guy.
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Listen, you're a smart guy.
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Well, let's just move on.
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You let's just move on.
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Hitler was not investing enough in his super weapons
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and I'm glad he lost, but the point is,
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is it was Max Planck-
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What did you just say?
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It's true that Jewish scientists took those equations
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and expanded on them, but it's Max Planck.
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Germans created the equations for the atomic bomb.
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Well, you have Niels Bohr who was Jewish.
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You have Blizar who was Jewish.
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I'm not saying that Jews-
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What are we doing?
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Oppenheimer was certainly Jewish.
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On the contrary-
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Would anybody like to stop this?
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Well, the Jews did finally actually make it.
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Let's give Jews the credit for this great thing.
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I'm not putting, no, the Jews finally took the theoretical
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and did it.
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So let's just be-
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What is happening?
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Germans theorize it.
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So it's never made sense to me
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how much Alex name drops Max Planck.
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He constantly talks about a Planck came up
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with all sorts of metaphysics ideas way before their time.
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And it seemed to me like it was just Alex's way
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of talking about how the human mind can envision things
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before they're physically possible.
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This exchange really cleared things up for me.
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Yeah, it makes things very obvious in retrospect.
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Alex is so triggered on the point that Schmooly makes
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about the Jewish contribution
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to the invention of the nuclear bomb.
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And that's where Alex has to bring up Max Planck.
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Planck was never a stand-in for human ingenuity.
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He was a symbol for Alex,
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a way to deny the historical importance
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of some Jewish people and transfer their achievements
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over to an Aryan person.
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I'd never really thought about it that way,
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but now I think that this is the focus.
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The focus on Max Planck is actually a remnant
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of the environment that Alex grew up in
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and how so many of the sources
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that his intellectual tradition comes from
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are Nazi apologists.
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Under Hitler, it was forbidden to talk about Einstein
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because he was super anti-Nazi
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and had renounced his German citizenship in 1933.
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Whatever innovations he was making
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in important fields of science
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would need to be undermined and attributed to someone else.
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And though Planck wasn't a Nazi himself,
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he stayed in Germany
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and was in the relative good graces of the government.
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Planck was the head of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society
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until 1937, which would later be renamed
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the Max Planck Society,
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an organization which apologized for their involvement
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with experiments carried out at concentration camps
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during the Holocaust around 2001.
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They made a big deal out of,
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we can't deny this part of our legacy.
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What are you gonna do?
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It's been confusing why Alex was so hung up on Max Planck,
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but now I think it makes total sense.
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Alex's worldview is built on the shoulders of neo-Nazis
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and crypto-Nazis.
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So it makes sense that most of the sources
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he grew up reading and studying,
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they would have an investment
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in minimizing Einstein's importance
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and elevating Max Planck's.
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And I think that in that exchange,
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that dynamic, you feel it.
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Here's what I like about it.
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And I'll tell you this.
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It reminds me how not racist I am
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because I don't know when I should be looking for race.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I didn't even know that it was possible.
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I thought science was free.
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Like everybody's got one.
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Everybody's got a little science on them.
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Didn't know that that was a race thing.
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I remember people being like,
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oh, did you know that China invented whiskey?
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And it's like, cool.
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I don't care where it comes from.
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It's fine.
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Somebody invented it.
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It's not about where it comes from, it's where it's going.
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It's just in my mouth.
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Absolutely.
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What do I give a shit?
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That's crazy.
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Somehow people find a way to put race in there.
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Yeah.
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And something that's so interesting to me too,
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is like I can listen to hundreds of hours of Alex's show
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and there is a plausible way for me to think like,
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this guy's hung up on Max Planck.
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Oh, well.
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Maybe he just read something that he thinks is interesting
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in a book or whatever.
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And it never would,
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like it would never cross my mind to be like,
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is there a bigot reason why this is his paradigm?
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And this exchange that he has with Schmooly,
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like it really made me reconsider and look into,
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is there a reason that a Nazi would be into Max Planck
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and not other people?
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Oh, oh.
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There you go.
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Makes sense.
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Great.
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No, it is so much like,
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it is an assumption that you are looking at things
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through a bigot point of view,
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whenever you imagine what Alex is thinking or doing
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or anything, the motivations behind it.
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And it is a blind spot of your own
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when you don't even know that there could be a bigot.
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Like, why did he get those zebra cakes?
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Oh, you know why.
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Wait, I don't.
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I genuinely don't.
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But I think also if you make a default
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of like every position comes from a place of,
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it must come from a place of bigotry,
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I think that you're falling into the same like
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sort of thought shortcuts and cheats
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Sure.
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that lead to mistakes that a lot of people do.
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Like it is unfortunate that a lot of times
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you poke around a little bit and you realize like,
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oh shit, a lot more of this is bigotry than I thought.
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Sure.
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But starting with that assumption, I think is bad.
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Yeah.
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So I'm glad that I didn't.
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Sure.
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But now I realize, yeah, no good.
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No good.
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So Trump was supposed to attack Iran
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Thursday night or Friday morning.
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For non-bigoted reasons.
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Totally.
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So now we're on the 20th, which is Friday.
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It should have happened by now.
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Right.
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There was a bit of a like,
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because Alex put a time on it,
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we're just kind of in the lead up to it.
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But now we're past that time.
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Okay.
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And Trump has not attacked Iran.
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And so now the war fever, it's broken.
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Uh oh.
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Steve Bannon went to the White House yesterday
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and spent a lot of time with Trump, I'll leave it at that.
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I talked to Steve some off air,
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also on air today on his show.
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And here's the good news.
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War fever has broken at the White House and with Trump.
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And Trump has gotten more briefings
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and the majority of his advisors in the Pentagon
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and are saying, no, you don't want to go directly
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to war with Iran, here's why.
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But Trump had pretty much decided to do it by today.
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And I said that over the weekend
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and it did come out a few days ago.
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But then as he got more information
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and all the other horrible scenarios
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that are probable to happen,
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one of them doubling inflation,
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they closed the trade hormones conservatively
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and they can do it and they've said they'll do it.
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It just gets worse from there.
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He pulled back and said two weeks yesterday
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and that's great news.
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So the storyline for the past week or so on the show
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has been that Trump was gonna attack Iran
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on Thursday night or Friday morning.
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Alex claimed that he'd heard this from high level sources
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and that even if that timetable was incorrect
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or if the exact time changed,
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it was coming from Intel, not Vibes.
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Now, here we are on Friday morning,
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getting close to afternoon and Trump hasn't attacked Iran.
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His press secretary said that Trump was giving Iran
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two weeks to negotiate.
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So this is the direction that Alex is going.
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He and his Patriot buddies like Tucker and Bannon
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caused enough of a stink about how dangerous
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attacking Iran was that Trump saw the light
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and he isn't gonna do it.
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We live in the future, so we know that at about 2 a.m.
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Iranian time the next day,
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Trump bombed three nuclear facilities in Iran.
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The plans for this, which was called
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Operation Midnight Hammer, were already set
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by the time that Alex is on air here
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and he's just regurgitating bullshit
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that the Trump press secretary is knowingly
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or unwittingly lying about.
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Essentially, Alex is acting as a mouthpiece
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for a government that's planning attacks
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while pretending publicly to want diplomacy.
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Trump posted a statement saying, quote,
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based on the fact that there's substantial chance
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of negotiations that may or may not take place
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with Iran in the near future,
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I will make my decision whether or not to go
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within the next two weeks.
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He said that Thursday evening and the truth is
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that he'd already made up his mind.
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The plan was already there.
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Yeah.
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Falling for this kind of shit is exactly what Alex
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made a career complaining about the mainstream media doing
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and I can't see it as anything other than fitting
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that this is what he's become.
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Yep.
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He's doing the exact same shit.
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Yeah, I mean,
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like on the one hand, it makes sense.
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You do not want a government or military
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to be obligated to tell you when it's going to do stuff.
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Technically, that's not very wise.
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At the same time, you don't want a government
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that's like, nah, we're not gonna blow up those strangers
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that you don't know and will never bother you.
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And then go do it.
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That's also a problem, you know?
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So good luck everybody.
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I am not like a political scientist
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and I don't know the pressures of being in government.
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Sure.
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So I'm going to leave that to the side for a moment.
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I am aware of what it is to talk about stuff.
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Yes.
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And so for Alex, he seems really gullible.
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Yeah.
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That's the issue that I have,
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whether or not a president should declare
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when they're gonna attack somebody.
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Sure.
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Even that aside.
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Sure.
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Alex is responding to stimulus that he's getting
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and he has heard what he wants to hear
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and is repeating that.
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Yeah, I mean, listen,
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for all complaints about blanket pessimism aside,
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part of the agreement that we have with politics
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is that even if they're not completely full of shit,
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they're always at least a little bit full of shit
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whenever they're talking.
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That's what politicians have to do
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because they can't be like,
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we're definitely going to have this done.
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There's gotta be negotiating,
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ba ba ba ba ba ba, right?
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But at the very least,
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you should not blanket accept anything they say
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as being 100% going to be the future.
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Right.
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You know?
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And this like,
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I'm gonna make a decision within two weeks.
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First of all, decision's already made.
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Yep.
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But second, on some kind of weird technicality,
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you could be like, well.
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I did get it right.
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Next day is within two weeks.
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Right?
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So Trump could argue some kind of like,
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ha ha, gotcha.
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Great.
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But Alex, his like, the war fever has broken
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and Trump has listened to us populist patriots.
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It's pathetic.
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It's just embarrassing for him to try and claim a win here,
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knowing what we know that Trump is playing them.
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Yeah, this is when some asshole is like,
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ah, disinformation is necessary for both enemies and allies.
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Right.
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Ah.
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Cool.
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You're like, go away.
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Leave me alone.
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Yeah.
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No, hey, great.
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That person is great.
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I love it in a book or something like that.
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I don't want it from my news source.
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Yeah, leave me alone.
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Yeah.
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So Alex continues just to be wrong about the situation.
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Sure.
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Two weeks.
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Now, I don't think that's a faint
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to make Iran think everything's okay
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so they can hit them even harder.
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No, that's real.
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And since I surmised all this scanning all the information,
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I've talked to people that have met with the president
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and others and talked about it on air and off air.
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And it's exactly what I thought was going on.
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So there you go.
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Alex is 100% wrong.
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And whoever these sources are that he talked to
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were either wrong in the exact same way as him
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or were feeding Alex misinformation.
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So he would do exactly what he's doing on air now
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because that serves the purposes of the power.
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Yep.
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Cool.
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Yeah, what was that thing about bargains with that guy?
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You get more, one thing you like,
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but then you lose something
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that's almost ironically more important to you.
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Are you talking about Nick Fuentes's
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Aryan Faustian Agreement?
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I think I am.
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I think I am exactly.
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So Alex feels pretty good as a whole
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because he thinks that he has saved the world
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from nuclear war, nuclear world war.
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I mean, that would feel pretty good.
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Yeah.
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And so he starts talking down to all these hawks out there.
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See, now that's where you gotta,
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you're gloating a little too soon, buddy.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is rough.
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Show voting.
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And to all the war hawks and people calling me a traitor
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all over X, all over everywhere, all over talk radio,
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all over you name it, shame on you.
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Listen, if you wanna be involved
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in geopolitics in the world,
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you can't get your information
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off the back of a cereal box, okay?
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Or you can't get it by watching Fox News
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and the war fever crap.
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If you like America existing,
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if you want Trump's recovery to happen,
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which is key to everything,
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then you better grow up.
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I do this full-time for 30 plus years.
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Oh my God.
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Jesus, man.
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I have contacts everywhere,
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but I only contact them to see what they're thinking
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and saying what they know to confirm
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what I already come to the analysis of.
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Oh my God.
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Okay?
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So Bannon asked me to basically brief the president
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on his show today.
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I'm sorry?
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The information does go to Trump
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and Trump does watch the war room
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and he does watch my show.
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He calls it the clips and people get it directly to him.
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Bannon sends him intelligence briefings
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and clips he should watch.
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So what I said on Bannon today will undoubtedly be watched
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by the president probably today
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at his late lunch or after that.
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So that's the level of this information
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and that's what we're doing.
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This is so embarrassing with the hindsight
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that Alex is just getting played.
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He's out here thinking he's briefing the president
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by being on a podcast and all the while behind the scenes,
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Trump's already decided to bomb Iran.
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Nothing Alex does or says in any of these shows
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is gonna change that reality.
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The only thing that's happening here
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is that Trump has put out a piece of disinformation
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that's so appealing to Alex
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that he can't resist reporting on it as fact
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and even taking credit for it.
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Now, he said that Bannon asked him to brief the president.
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Yeah, which is a thing to say.
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Let's listen to that.
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Let's listen to Bannon ask him to brief the president?
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Yeah. Okay.
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If you walked into the Oval Office
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this morning, Alex Jones,
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and had five minutes with the commander in chief,
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go ahead and roll.
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Tell me what Alex Jones tells him right now.
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Mr. President, I absolutely agree with you
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that the mullahs want to destroy Israel
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and that they're unpopular
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and that they are a serious danger to world peace.
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But if you look at all the different assessments
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that I know you've been given,
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and I know that most of your advisors have told you,
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it will bear minimum cause oil prices
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that you already see going up to explode.
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Most assessments will easily block
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the Strait of Hormuz by sinking their own ships,
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much less ours or others.
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20% of the oil the world goes through there.
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So Bannon asked him,
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imagine you're briefing the president.
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Yeah.
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And Alex thinks that that's, I briefed the president.
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A little bit different.
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Yeah.
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A little bit of a difference there.
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I, while he's giving that speech, I imagine,
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like, I don't know, I don't know,
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just Iran walking up behind him and he's like,
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ah shit, Iran's behind me, aren't they?
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Ah, they're getting bombed, fuck.
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No, but I imagine that, but he would not even realize.
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I mean, it's-
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It'd be totally oblivious.
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Just like, if you've ever seen those clips
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of the guys who've clearly got a touchdown,
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running, everything's fine, and then just drop the ball
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just an inch before the goal line, you know?
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That's what it feels, but they don't know.
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They keep celebrating.
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They don't know that they have just been on TV
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for the rest of their lives doing the dumbest shit
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they could possibly do.
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Yeah, this does feel a little bit,
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a little bit like that.
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Yeah.
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So I think that there's just something about Alex's
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fantasy world that is so, it's so interesting to me.
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Imagine you're briefing the president,
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it's the same as doing it.
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He watches the clips.
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I bet that gets you high.
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I bet he gets high off of the idea of like,
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the president is listening to me,
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because he doesn't actually believe
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the president watches Infowars.
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He says he watches it sometimes.
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Sure, that's okay.
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Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
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It's in the air.
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Truth is in the air.
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I imagine not.
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But this is Steve Bannon's show,
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so I bet he kind of feels like maybe
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Trump will listen to this.
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And that probably gets like,
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the president could be listening to me, you know?
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I bet he gets high off that shit.
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Sure, I think that the way that his brain works,
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the narcissism that's required to be this person,
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I think he has to feel that way, even about his own show.
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But like, this is a bigger rush.
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Right, right, right, right.
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This is a more plausible validation.
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I can tell myself he listens to my show.
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I can tell other people he listens to Steve Bannon's show,
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and I was on it.
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That kind of thing, yeah.
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So this wasn't part of the briefing,
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but maybe Alex needs to tell somebody about this.
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But you look at Netanyahu, obviously demon-possessed.
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I mean, look at the guy's eyes.
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Knock it off, Jews.
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When he's talking about war,
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and a little stabilized things,
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to go, he looks like a wolf,
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when he's like, in 2002, he's like,
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and then when you get this country,
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and that country, and we get all,
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and I have nukes, and we got to take them all.
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He's like, he's learned to kind of hide that a little bit.
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I mean, you look at those eyes, though,
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and I can't even do those eyes.
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I mean, it's just like, absolutely committed to death.
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Probably possessed by Satan himself.
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I mean, I get those vibes.
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That's high praise, in a way.
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Not the jolly gremlin demon, you know,
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that Smolley's obviously got running him.
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Oh, sure.
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So Jewish people, high profile Jewish people
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are demon-possessed.
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A lot of them have, more than one have,
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it's a nonspecific thing to the person,
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and more specific to the group, which I don't know.
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Can we describe that as something?
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No. No, I don't think so.
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So various Jewish people that Alex has discussed
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or talked to recently are demon-possessed.
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Are demon-possessed.
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But Trump maybe is the Messiah.
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But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,
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but isn't, but is, but isn't.
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All right. Maybe is.
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All right.
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Trump's biggest challenge of his political,
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really messianic career, I don't mean that literally,
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but the description would be messianic.
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And if he can stop literally war three
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and return the Republic and truly win, it is messianic.
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I don't mean as if he's the Messiah, but I mean,
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it's the only label fits is messianic.
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I get it. Use other words.
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There are synonyms you could use here.
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Yeah.
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This is very loaded.
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He's the big cheese.
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You could go with that.
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That would also be equally acceptable.
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Yeah. He will bring about a new world order.
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Go for it. Who cares?
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He's the, I guess, dictator in chief, whatever you like.
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Yeah. When you're, when you're somebody like Alex,
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who's like, I speak to God, God speaks through me.
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You should avoid words like that.
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When you don't actually meet, when you're,
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when you're trying to pretend that you don't actually mean
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he's the Messiah, don't use messianic.
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Don't do it.
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When you're, yeah.
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Yeah. Cause that's the,
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that's the layer of effort that you have to put on top of
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being full of shit.
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You know, like you have to keep the,
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the two story lines separate.
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Otherwise you reveal you're full of shit.
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Yeah. And it's, it's the same kind of dynamic as like,
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you know, when you're a crazy violent asshole like Alex,
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you should just use other words that I'm going to kill you
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and then say politically.
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Right.
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You know, you should use,
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you should find the richness of language.
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You should find other ways to express this,
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that you don't have to, you know, keep doubling back.
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I'm like, no, I'm not saying he's Jesus,
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but he kind of is Jesus.
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Yeah.
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Nah, come on.
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Yeah.
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So Trump as a, as Jesus, he wants peace through strength.
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And then.
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Very Jesus like.
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Yeah. And then,
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and this clip ends up becoming a little bit about black
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magic and.
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Now I'm interested.
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Yeah. I find this take very interesting.
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Okay.
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We have to know the philosophy we're up against.
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And then we have to have our own philosophy.
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What do the Israelis say for the massage slogan?
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I've hit the exact slogan, pull up the massage slogan.
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I think it's by way of deception, you will conquer.
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By way of deception, you will rule.
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Am I six as British special forces have,
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fortune favors the bold.
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Well, that's certainly true.
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But imagine by way of deception, you will conquer.
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How about by way of truth, you will prosper.
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Too good.
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Put it on the shelf.
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By way of deception, thou shalt do war.
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And obviously war is all about deception.
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What's camouflage.
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What's this information?
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But the point is when everything turns into a war
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and everything is broken down and everything is deception.
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You have the breakdown of society of mental illness.
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You have endless war.
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You have lies.
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That's why Trump wants peace through strength.
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That's why Trump wants peace through strength.
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Overwhelming force, direct, clear agenda
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and not a bunch of double, triple dealing,
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which he's been doing and which the world wants.
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But only a country that is the most powerful
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can act like that.
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Because all the others are gonna use dirty tricks
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or black magic.
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Because they have the excuse that, well, we have to.
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And by my-
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Lazyness.
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I don't mean literal black magic,
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but at the art of black magic,
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it's when you do something with your will or action
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that hurts people.
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And that always creates even bigger ripple effects
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of bad that comes out of it and that comes back on you.
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Black magic always comes back on who does it.
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Minifold.
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And it comes back on those around them.
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So I guess that black magic is just being mean to someone.
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I don't know what meaningfully this describes.
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As a fan of Final Fantasy VII
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and the Final Fantasy games in general,
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you have Fira, you've got Faragha,
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you have got Blizzard.
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You've got many different black magic spells.
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You got Flare, that's the ultimate in fire magic.
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These things are available.
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None of them are just like, I'm gonna get you.
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You're gonna use my will to be mean.
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No, there's full on special effects.
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This seems like the intersection of scam guru
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and baby talk.
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There's a little kid on a school yard.
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So Mossad's former motto was the Hebrew text
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from Proverbs 24 six,
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which is, you know,
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Proverbs 24 six,
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which can be translated a number of ways,
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but generally is quote,
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for by wise counsel,
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thou shalt make thy war.
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There are other ways that this has been translated
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to English that veer more towards the subterfuge angle,
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like for by strategy war is waged,
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that kind of thing.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
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In 1990, a former agent of Mossad named Victor Ostrowski
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released a book called By Way of Deception,
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The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer,
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which was very critical of Mossad.
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Sure.
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Some of the things that he wrote in the book
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have never been proven either way,
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like proven true or false.
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But the title of the book has stuck
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as the go-to translation of Proverbs 24 six
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for folks in Alex's information space,
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which is to say a lot of neo-Nazis and crypto-Nazis.
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Right.
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Mossad has since changed their motto to Proverbs 11 14,
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which says quote,
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for lack of guidance a nation fails,
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but victory is won through many advisors.
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Right.
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Which maintains the same similar point as the other one,
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but doesn't have the baggage of that book.
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See, now this is when I feel like editing
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is so very important.
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Like if I could go back and like,
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cause there's a lot of confusing shit right there, right?
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There's a lot of different ways to interpret that.
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There's a lot of different metaphors there.
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How about go with idiots die?
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So let's not do that.
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Well, I think that the motto,
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you're a little bit limited by the book of Proverbs
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and what is in there.
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I don't know if idiots die is in Proverbs.
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That's what I'm saying.
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An editor would have helped.
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And then the fundamental issue with these old languages,
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like Hebrew or Latin or Greek,
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there isn't super precise translations all the time.
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You know, like that's always going to be an issue.
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Cause they didn't have English back then to like,
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kind of bounce their ideas off of.
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It's shocking they didn't come up with English back then.
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It's so crazy.
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It was right there for the taking and it's available.
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And it's so clearly the only correct way to communicate.
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Obviously there's no way to have a concept
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that is not describable within the English language.
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Exactly.
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English allows clarity.
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Like when we're talking about black magic.
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Nobody is ever confused by the multiple meanings
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or pronunciations or multiple pronunciation meanings
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of the same word.
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Right.
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So when we talk about black magic,
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we know what we're talking about.
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We do know what we're talking about.
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Viraga.
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No.
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Oh.
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No.
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You think it's Viraga?
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I think it's Viraga.
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No, no, no.
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It's peeing in a pool.
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There we go.
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I knew it.
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Black magic would be peeing in the public pool.
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That little kid doesn't know they do it,
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but I'm just gonna pee in here.
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Then they gotta put more chlorine in, more stuff.
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Now it gross your skin.
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Now it burns your eyes because they have to put
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so much chlorine and chemicals in
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because everybody's pissing the pool.
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But you really can't see the pee.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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But one person takes a dump in the pool
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and the whole thing has to be shut down
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cause you can't hide it.
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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And Trump administration reportedly looking at nuking
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the underground nuke base in Iran is the equivalent
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of pulling up a septic tank truck
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that just pumped out 20 septic tanks
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and putting a hose in a pool
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and filling it with liquid feces.
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And we're all in that pool.
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We're all in that pool, man.
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Black magic pee.
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Black magic is pee in the pool.
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So the way we know black magic, much like the fruits,
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is that the consequences will come back on you
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multiple fold.
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Well, yeah, but in this case it is also apparently
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that the effects of it are unobservable.
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Right.
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Because you don't see the pee in the pool.
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Right.
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The damage is done by adding more chlorine to the pool
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which then burns your skin and eyes.
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Which is your eightfold consequences.
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Right, right, right.
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That is what you would presume.
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So shit in the pool is not black magic.
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That's just regular.
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People don't end up adding more chlorine to a pool
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if you shit in it.
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I mean, listen, there's a lot of consequences
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that come from shitting in a pool.
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Sure, you have to get out of the pool.
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That's a consequence.
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First consequence.
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Yeah, the only thing that I think is relevantly different
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between these two is the ability to ignore one.
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You can ignore peeing in the pool,
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you can't ignore shitting in the pool.
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So black magic must be things that you can ignore.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It's something that doesn't trick,
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so if you shit in the pool,
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oftentimes there will be an investigation.
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There will be questions.
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It would be a short investigation.
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Who shit in this pool?
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You or him or that person, right?
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Right, right, right.
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Black magic, there is no investigation.
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You can't have people asking questions.
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That's the magic part?
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I guess.
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Nah.
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This is dumb.
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I think Alex thought of this and then was like,
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ooh, I am lost down this road.
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I have started, I've started.
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It's fun to talk about peeing in the pool.
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I know.
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It is like the confidence combined
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with the lack of knowledge,
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combined with the desire to kind of sound
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like there's knowledge,
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would make him such a great assistant basketball coach.
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Yes.
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Not head coach.
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No, he'd be bad at actual basketball.
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Can't make decisions.
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When he'd be like,
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oh, you gotta get the ball in the basket,
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you'd be like, this is the best metaphor I've ever heard.
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I will 100% do exactly that.
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Yeah.
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And I also have to double back to him earlier
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saying that black magic is using your will to hurt people.
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Right, or actions, which somehow...
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But what will is being exerted by someone peeing in a pool?
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I mean...
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It's just laziness, I guess.
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The will would ostensibly be negative
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towards another person on purpose.
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Yeah, which it's not if you're just peeing in a pool.
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It's just generalized urination.
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Unless you are peeing in the pool
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to make them add more chlorine to hurt people.
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Now we're in black magic territory.
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I've never met that person.
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That would be a very strange series of choices to make.
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There are so many better ways
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to cover people with chlorine even.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, this is confusing.
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Yep, it is, it's not a good one.
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So Alex has a guest on the show
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and it is a fella who's running for office
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hoping to primary Lindsey Graham.
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Okay.
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All right, I wanted to get a very interesting fella
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on I've been following his work for a while
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who's running against Lindsey, the queen of war, Graham,
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the mini me of the great warmonger,
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globalist John McCain,
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Mark Lynch is a Southern South Carolina businessman,
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serve Republican and candidate for the US Senate,
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challenging incumbent Lindsey Graham.
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A lot of the polls show he's got a really good chance
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of winning.
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I hate to give Alex any props,
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but this is exactly what he should be doing.
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All the dumb bullshit about Rabbi Shmueli
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and how he's secretly briefing Trump
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through being on Bannon's podcast.
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It's all just a bunch of entertainment filler,
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but where he holds the ability to make any difference
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in terms of power is by promoting anyone
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who's primarying GOP politicians that Alex doesn't like.
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Alex thinks that Lindsey Graham is too effeminate
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and is a globalist who's not loyal to Trump,
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so he wants him out.
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But Graham is also a hawk about war
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and it's very easy to come up with a marketable reason
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to want to get him out of office.
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Primarying Graham is something that could have support
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across the aisle,
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uniting the extreme right wing with people on the left even.
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This is what Alex should spend his time doing,
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but I think it's too late for him
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to play this game personally.
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The hope you'd have here is to use a big platform
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like Alex's show to promote and validate
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fringe insurgent candidates,
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but I don't think that Alex has the ability
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to validate anyone anymore.
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Association with him is only going to stigmatize a candidate
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because the two sides Alex hopes to unite
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don't really like him.
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In the aftermath of events like Waco and 9-11,
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Alex was able to form a coalition audience
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out of extreme right wingers
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who thought that he was their voice.
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The radio guy who was tossed aside by the elites
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who just wanted their mainstream right wing voice out there
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in the form of Rush Limbaugh.
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That group was supplemented by nonpolitical folks
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who were just generally paranoid
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and enjoyed conspiracy theories,
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and by left wing folks who agreed with Alex
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on some primary things and were tricked into thinking
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that Alex was an ally for them that they could work with.
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These would be folks on the left
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who were super against the war in Iraq
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and felt like Alex was unbewolden to corporate media
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that was beating the drums of war.
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These were people who were against the bank bailouts
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and thought that Alex was actually
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on the side of Occupy Wall Street,
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and you could make an argument that like,
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hey, we have this important issue we're on the same page
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about, let's get over our differences.
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It's happening again right now with Rogan.
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Alex, uh-huh. Yep.
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Alex was able to make it appear like his politics
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were broad enough to include all of these folks,
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and that worked for a while, but that game is up now.
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Paranoid conspiracy fans have a million other choices
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of people to follow, many of whom are far more creative
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than Alex and less reliant on just pretending
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that sci-fi movies are real.
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If you want that entertainment, there's better out there.
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The extreme right wing folks have new voices
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that far more closely align with them
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than in what they believe than Alex,
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and he's become a watered down voice in that space
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compared to other figures who were willing
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to spout clear antisemitism and white supremacy.
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And the left-leaning folks who might have fallen
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for the illusion that Alex really wasn't all
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that right wing and maybe you could make common cause
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with him, they generally aren't as susceptible
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to that trick as they used to be.
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You'll see left-leaning people getting tricked
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into thinking they can work with other folks like Alex,
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like Elon Musk or Tucker or Rogan, like you said,
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but for the most part, Alex doesn't really have
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that cache himself anymore. Nope.
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He has basically the proximity to people
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who may have that ability, but he's just kind of
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in their wake. He's just riding along.
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Yeah, the consolidation of these people is such that
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they're so big that there's an easier way
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of tricking yourself into being like,
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well, there's no choice but to, at the very least,
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engage in all of these things, whereas Alex used to have
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that bigness in the form of integrity.
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He used to have that size because it was like,
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he can't be bought.
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You can buy Rogan, we know that.
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He's advertised on Spotify, that kind of thing.
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Whereas that's where Alex could have the upper hand
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and that's gone.
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Yeah, but these other people have a facsimile of it
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in some way in that there are people on the left,
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in Democratic Party who will be like,
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let's see if we can work with Rogan.
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Let's see if we can work with Elon Musk.
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Because they have a source of power
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that is still attractive.
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Like Elon Musk still has billions of dollars
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and is a dipshit and is willing to give that money
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to people that serve his interests.
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Rogan has a giant audience still,
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and there's power in that.
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And they want to court those things.
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Alex doesn't have that anymore.
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He's just that.
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He's just a guy talking about pissing in pools.
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On top of this, his entire dynamic is flipped
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where he's invested in defending the government
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that's in power.
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When Clinton, Bush and Obama were in office,
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Alex didn't want to root out the deep state
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while keeping the president in power.
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He wanted the whole thing overturned.
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Now Alex wants to keep the guy he likes in power
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and keep power in the hands of the people
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who are specifically loyal to him.
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People who aren't loyal to Trump
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or do things that Trump isn't supposed to like,
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they're the deep state figures who need to be taken out,
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but let's not upset the whole thing.
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Right.
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This game doesn't work.
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And because it doesn't,
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he isn't going to be able to help this guy
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running against Lindsey Graham at all.
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There isn't a base that Alex represents
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that he can energize to vote for him.
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I don't know how to put this other than
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this is a meaningless endorsement.
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Yeah.
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Once you're the guy who's like,
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you can do more within the system
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than everybody who's like, no, you can't,
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you've lost them instantly.
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The moment you say that, you're gone.
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Yeah.
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It's still very early for the 2026 race,
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but a recent Qantas poll asked people in South Carolina
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about a hypothetical ballot where Mark Lynch
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was running against Graham in the GOP primary
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and 48% preferred Graham compared to 23% for Lynch.
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That's a big gap,
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but it's also a pretty strong sign
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of vulnerability for Graham.
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Lynch isn't a household name
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and really was in that hypothetical poll
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as a stand-in for someone other than Graham.
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This poll in theory says that 23% of Republican voters
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are probably just not interested in voting for Graham
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and under 50 specifically are.
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That same poll showed 29% of these voters being undecided,
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so there could be some traction here.
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Like he might have something to work with,
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but Alex is in no position to chip in.
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And even beyond that,
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that kind of polling is going to galvanize
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or encourage other candidates.
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It's gonna show that Graham is vulnerable, has a weakness.
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Sure.
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Other GOP primary candidates
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are going to probably want to get involved.
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That would be the idea.
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Right, so Mark Lynch has this appearance
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of this 23% polling,
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but that poll might actually have the effect
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of splitting that up among other people.
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Unnamed guy.
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Could be, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But it does show that Lindsey Graham might be in trouble
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and you know, meh.
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I would like for those polls to have to include
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just generic woke candidate.
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They should have to because there might be 2.2%
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and that's what you want to find out.
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Who's this guy?
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What's he thinking?
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Cartoon character of...
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Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yosemite Sam.
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LGBTQ studies student.
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Absolutely.
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Oh, Yosemite Sam is a woke candidate?
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No, no, no, no.
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I was going with just route their cartoon characters next,
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not also the painting, the yeah.
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Yeah, that would be fun, Yosemite Sam.
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Just throw it in there, who cares?
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So Mark Lynch is on the show and he sucks.
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I have no interest in him,
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but at points he's trying to like talk about some issues
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and polling and stuff like that.
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And Alex is predictable.
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You make a key point that I didn't think of.
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You're right, Lindsey Graham is just emblematic.
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He's the tip of the iceberg.
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There are a lot of rhinos and Democrat operatives
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that poses Republicans in state, local, federal seats
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that we all need to continue to do assessments
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to these people because they're all over the place.
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Yep, well, his constitutional lifetime voting score is 57.
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69 and below is an F, so he's failing us.
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He's not voting constitutionally.
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In Club for Growth, his lifetime score is 65.
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That's an F.
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And the Heritage Action for America score, lifetime score 56
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and his Liberty score, conservative review score was 43.
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Well, let me ask you this, Mark.
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What is his wife's politics like?
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His wife?
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Oh, he didn't have a wife.
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Well, what's his girlfriend's politics?
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I don't believe he has a girlfriend.
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I think she's- Wait a minute,
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wasn't he married?
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No, he was the wife of John McCain.
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I forgot, sorry.
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Boo!
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There you go.
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Long walk!
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Yeah, so yeah, I mean, he's trying to talk about
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how Graham's voting record isn't in line
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with these constitutionalist principles and stuff,
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and Alex is like, oh, he's gay, isn't he?
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I mean, listen, I am of two minds.
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First mind, corrosive, damaging, useless.
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Don't do that.
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Second mind, probably more successful strategy
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than any kind of voting record questions.
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Maybe.
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Among his voters.
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Yeah. I don't know.
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I'm not a campaign operative for the GOP.
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I don't know what their rules are anymore.
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It's unserious.
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That's what I'm thinking.
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It's indicative of the way that Alex engages with stuff.
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Yeah.
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It is far more the, hey, let's beat up this guy
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that I think is gay, as opposed to,
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like, hey, let's look at what the votes are.
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And Alex, you know, he's a policy wonk.
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He likes to pretend that that's who he is, but he's not.
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Feels like we're just in high school in the locker room.
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So now we enter an uncomfortable little realization,
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and that is that Trump has not endorsed this guy.
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Ooh!
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And in fact, Trump has endorsed Lindsey Graham.
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No!
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But Lindsey Graham isn't a constitutionalist, Dan!
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Yeah, it's not good.
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Oh, no.
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Alex tries to rationalize this.
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How we doing?
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And brings up things that Roger has maybe said
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behind the scenes.
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Roger loves Trump.
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He knows him super well.
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It's how I've learned a lot about how Trump operates.
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Roger was his wingman when he'd be in between divorces,
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and Trump didn't want to have his girlfriends in the news.
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So he'd be the guy that would go out to dinner with him,
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say it was Roger.
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I mean, Roger's that close to Trump.
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He knows Trump very well.
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He's his genius level on some things, but other levels.
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If somebody just tells him nice things up front,
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and he feels good about it, he'll trust him.
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And Roger just pulls his hair out over this.
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And so, but pressure on Trump works
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if he respects you and you give him the facts.
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He doesn't respect people that just kiss his ass
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at the same time.
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So I think we should all put pressure on Trump to,
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certainly, if he's not going to remove the endorsement,
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if the polls show you can easily beat the Democrat,
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which I think is clear, I think he's been advised
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that they'll cheat more if there is a real Republican.
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And so Trump, that's what I've been told.
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So Trump's like, well, I'll go with who they'll let get in.
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I just think if he just fully got behind you,
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but I get it, if he endorses you early,
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then Graham will publicly stab him,
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or in the front, not the back.
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So I guess here I am saying Trump's not that sophisticated,
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but actually is that sophisticated.
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It's just very frustrating.
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Yeah, that does sound pretty frustrating.
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It would be a lot simpler if you were like,
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okay, if you have a bucket of puppies, Trump is yours.
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Oh, the end.
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All right.
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Yeah, so if I'm to understand what Alex is saying,
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Trump is siding with Lindsey Graham,
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because if he doesn't, the globalists will cheat
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and put a Democrat in office.
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At least more, they will cheat more,
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because he's a real Republican.
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If Lynch is running, they'll cheat more.
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But if it's not a real Republican, they will cheat less,
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but not at all.
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Right, and it's a district
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where they'd have to cheat quite a bit.
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They'd have to cheat a lot, maybe too much.
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Yeah, there's a pro GOP index there.
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Plus 80 million, yeah.
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So it seems like even if we buy into what Alex is saying,
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then he's describing Trump as a ultimate coward
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that will not stand up for shit,
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sides with the globalists,
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because the alternative would make him look bad,
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but actually wouldn't be any different.
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And also if they flatter him, he'll go along with them.
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A Democrat or Lindsey Graham functionally
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is the same to Alex as being in office.
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According to those scores.
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Right, so Trump is allowing a Democrat to be in office
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in the form of Lindsey Graham,
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because it looks better to have a Republican in office,
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and he's the Republican that the globalists
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will allow be in office.
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So it sounds like Trump is a coward and a scammer.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's interesting to describe
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your messianic figure as a big loser
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who'll do what anybody tells them to do if they're nice.
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But hey, to each their own messianic figure, right?
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And this formulation of like,
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Roger was the wingman when Trump was between divorces,
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because he didn't want his lady to be in the news.
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It's interesting to me because like,
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what is that at the end of the day?
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That's Roger and Trump running a scam on the media
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to hide information that they don't want
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to be out in public.
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Yes, correct.
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I feel like Alex saying that this is their relationship,
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it really should call into question like,
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have they continued to do stuff like that?
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Maybe, maybe you would think perhaps this is not
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an isolated incident and instead a pattern of behavior.
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Is this indicative of their relationship
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that they run public scams together?
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Interesting.
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Oh, well.
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See, now this is why all messiahs really peaked
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with St. Patrick, because what is there more like wholesome
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than just getting rid of all those fucking snakes?
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Just getting them out of there.
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Well.
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It doesn't get better than that.
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Well, snakes are an important part of the ecosystem.
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Not where they were.
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Without them.
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Too many of them.
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Well, but without them, we would have mongoose over running.
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Right?
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Aren't they natural enemies?
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Is that the main ecological niche that snakes occupy?
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The mongoose population control?
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Without them, mongoose have no natural predators.
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Right, right, right.
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Mongoose would just roam the earth like gods.
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Yeah.
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Mongoose are rude.
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They are dicks.
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That's why even snakes have to take them down.
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That makes, no, it makes sense.
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Yeah, St. Patrick left us at the mercy.
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At the mercy of my geese.
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Yeah.
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So I don't think that this Mark Lynch guy
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has a lot of a chance.
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I think that there's an opportunity for the GOP
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to primary somebody if they want to in that seat.
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I don't know if it's gonna be him
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and I don't think going on Alex's show
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is gonna do shit for him.
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Yeah.
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But.
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I mean, in general, it kinda has the vibe
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of nobody is going to vote for somebody
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they want to vote for.
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You know, like in a congressional race.
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A lot of it is voting against.
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Right.
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And it's just like, if you have somebody
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who can make people want to vote for them,
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maybe they've got a shot.
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Now is a good time to take your shot.
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Cause everybody hates the guy or person who's there.
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I think that we are in a place where
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I don't think it is fully there yet,
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but we're in a place where providing a positive vision
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could become a very attractive electoral strategy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like there's so much negative
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and so much voting against people
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that providing some kind of a,
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no, I actually want this.
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Yeah.
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That might cut through a lot of noise.
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I kind of don't like any of these fuckers.
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Here's what I want to do.
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Yeah.
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But I'm not sure how much the like full body
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of the population is there,
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but it feels like we're on the way towards that.
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It's tough to believe.
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It's tough to believe.
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So something you can believe is that
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you got to buy that fucking gold.
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You've got to buy that fucking gold.
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Alex has been having Kirk Elliott on every day.
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That's a war bond if I've ever heard one.
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Yeah. So here's a little of that.
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Now US Intel says, oh, if you keep attacking Iran,
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they've got the parts to put the bomb together.
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Now they'll nuke Israel.
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Israel responds and says, yeah, just breaking.
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They've got the bomb.
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We got to go in boats on the ground.
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See how we're getting sucked in.
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There's two ways to look at this.
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Mossad says Iran now 15 days from a bomb, two weeks.
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You still say up to a year.
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IDF chief says Israel must prepare
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for prolonged campaign against Iran.
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And the CIA says that'll make them go straight to the bomb.
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They already got the bomb.
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Dr. Kirk Elliott's been joining us daily.
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And I appreciate him holding when I had that guest
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on a little bit extra,
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because you've been warning about the Strait of Hormuz.
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Iran says they'll seal it.
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20% of the oil comes through that.
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That bare minimum will trigger an economic collapse.
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It will derail.
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The numbers are clear.
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People still don't seem to get this though.
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It's at least going viral.
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There's been new developments
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you were on yesterday in the markets.
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We need to sell that gold.
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Yep.
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All of this stuff is,
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ramping up all of this anxiety
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and all of these news stories
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in order to funnel those feelings towards,
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now buy gold from Kirk to make sure that you're safe
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from all of this terrible inflation
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and the Strait of Hormuz closing.
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Totally.
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And so that's just kind of normal.
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That's what he does.
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Hey, the earth is on fire,
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but, uh-huh, if you got gold,
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you'll probably be able to eat.
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You'll probably be fine.
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You'll probably be fine.
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Yeah.
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I can't see any reason you would be fine,
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but you'll probably be fine.
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Nah, you'll be fine.
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Yeah, you'll be fine.
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You won't be fine, but you'll be fine.
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I mean, how is it possible
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to both want survival food and gold at the same time?
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Well, survival food is insurance you can eat.
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There you go.
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As is gold.
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Right, but if you need one,
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chances are the other will be unhelpful.
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Mm.
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Yeah, I mean, this gets to the fundamental tension
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that the gold sales always have,
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and that is that there's like a sound investment angle
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that they're trying to sell this on.
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It's like gold will be up 20%,
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and then you can sell it,
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and look, you've made money, you're free on retirement.
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That's how it works.
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Or whatever.
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But then at the same time,
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there's the survival food element of it,
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which is once the shit all goes down,
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no one's gonna accept paper money.
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Yeah, you'll need to barter with gold?
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Yeah.
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Okay, all right.
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So those two things are both present in Alex's sales pitch,
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and they can't really go together.
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They don't really work together.
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But we have one last clip from Alex and Kirk,
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and this just bummed me out.
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Kirk Elliott, Precious Metals, kpem.com, forward slash gold.
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30 seconds left.
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What about the financial instruments?
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Those are the real key things to roll over.
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Yeah, your 401ks, your old ones, your IRAs,
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roll them over into physical metals.
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Right, and we're not talking about paper certificates,
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mining shares, mutual funds.
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We're talking about physical metals.
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So allocate your retirement plans,
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for most people have their wealth.
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Give us a call, go to the website,
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kpem.com, forward slash gold.
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Follow us on X at Kirk Elliott, PhD.
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We'll get you the information you need
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and put your mind at peace during these turbulent times.
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All right, Dr. Elliott, thank you so much.
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We'll talk to you soon.
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That is so sad.
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That like, you probably could fuck up people's lives.
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Yeah.
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You know, encouraging them to put their 401ks
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into his gold sale scam.
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Yeah, I imagine that the way he gets around it is like,
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these are the, the people that are doing this
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are gonna find somewhere else to go,
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because this is, this is the world that we exist in.
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But man, you don't have to do it.
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I'm sure most scammers are able to reassure themselves
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by thinking, hey, whoever fell for this
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is gonna fall for something.
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Yeah.
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I'm sure, I'm sure, and I hope they have a lot of peace
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of mind because of it.
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I know.
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No, of course not.
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Like, I think that there's something sinister
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about running one of these types of companies
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and being like, hey, you know, you got a little extra money.
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Gold is a good way to, you know, hedge your investments.
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And so that's kind of sinister, but whatever.
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Right.
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When you're like, hey, this retirement plan
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that maybe you've been putting into for 20 years working,
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you should move that over to my gold.
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Yep.
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There's something elevated about how cruel that is.
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Yeah.
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And Alex loves to talk about how the globalists
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are raiding the pension funds and the 401ks and stuff.
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Like, this is some kind of evil thing
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that the globalists are doing.
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Yeah.
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And he's engaging in quite similar behaviors
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on behalf of his gold salesman.
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Yeah.
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Like, you know, I understand that any kind of 401k
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or investment carries risk along with it.
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Sure.
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But, you know, these people don't have your best interest
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at heart.
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It's not a financial advisor.
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This is a guy who's running a gold and silver business.
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No.
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No.
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There's no PhD in ethics.
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Let's put it that way.
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That PhD unrelated to any kind of moral thinking.
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Well, I've noticed that economists
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who also run gold companies talk like this a lot.
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They generally don't sound more like Kierkegaard.
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Economists who don't own gold and silver companies
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don't often talk like this.
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They don't talk.
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I don't necessarily like the way they talk either.
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But what you going to do?
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At the very least, they don't own gold and silver.
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There's quite a difference that owning a silver or gold
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company does.
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Seems hugely important to the next steps people take.
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Yeah.
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Wild.
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So fuck these people.
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Yep.
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When we get back, next time we reconvene,
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Trump will have bombed Iran.
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Right.
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And so Alex is now going to have to create an explanation.
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We're going to have to rewrite all of it.
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This is getting retconned.
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Today is gone.
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All of this stuff about like war fever has broken.
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Yep.
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All gone.
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Is going to need to immediately be backtracked.
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Yep.
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And I think that this will be interesting to see
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him try to pull this off.
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And he's going to have to get war fever.
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Yep.
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And eventually he's going to have to get
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real sick about Epstein's stuff.
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Do some black magic.
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What?
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He's going to have to pee in the pool for sure.
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He's going to have to pee in the pool for sure.
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So we'll be back to check in on that.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Leo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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Woo.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
