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Dan and George knowledge fight.
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Need money.
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Andy and Candace.
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Stop it.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Candace you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a fan of Huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge fight.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Ride, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're double dudes, like sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit
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about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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Which bright spot today, buddy?
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Okay, I got a bright spot and I got a dark spot.
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All right.
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I'm gonna leave it up to you what you wanna hear first.
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Okay.
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Ooh, I mean clothes on a bright spot.
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Let's start with the dark spot.
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Okay, I got popped by the recycling police.
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Is that possible?
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So in my building, in the recycling, you're supposed to break down the boxes.
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Of course.
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When you put them into the recycling.
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Of course.
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A lot of people do not do this.
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Sure.
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It's just kind of like a thing where sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.
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It is what it is.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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I was taking down a big box of recycling.
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Yeah.
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And so I had a bunch of stuff in a box.
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Right.
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And everything inside the box was broken down.
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Broken down.
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But the box that was containing the broken down things were not.
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How do you want me to bring it if not within a container?
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I can't break down the container that holds the broken down.
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I guess I could have once I dumped it into the recycling or something, but I didn't do
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that.
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Bananas, get out of here.
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It was something that had my address on it.
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Ooh.
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So I get an email that I'm getting a fine for this.
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I got fined.
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What motherfuckers are doing?
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What is happening?
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The snitches.
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The snitches out there.
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What is happening?
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It's crazy.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah, so that's a downside.
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Ugh.
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I guess, you know, I only put half effort into breaking down the boxes and it burned
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me.
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Unacceptable.
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I refuse to believe this.
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This is bullshit.
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No individual action you can take could have a measurable impact on the climate crisis
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ever, let alone rip cutting down a box.
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How dare they fine you?
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Well, I think it's more about like just considerateness and like, cause if you don't break down boxes,
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it fills up more space in there.
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I understand.
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You know, like it's less about the actual environment.
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No, it's reasonable.
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Yeah.
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When I got that email, I was like, fine.
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But I also was furious.
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Of course.
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Cause I've seen so many boxes that were broken down.
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This is selective enforcement.
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I'm going to take it all the way to the top.
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I agree with you.
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I agree with you.
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But at the same time, you can't enforce anything if it doesn't have teeth.
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It's a problem.
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And you'd rather a fine than like they knock on your door and drag you out one night.
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Yeah, I guess.
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I guess.
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Anyway, that's annoying that there's recycling snitches.
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All right.
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What's your bright spot?
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Okay.
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So I was at the grocery store that Chant be named.
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Right.
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And I was wearing my pinky ring incidental to this story.
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But just in the background.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So I went through the checkout line and the guy who was ringing me up forgot to ring up
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the last item.
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All right.
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So I pay and I was like, oh, that's also mine.
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No.
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And he's like, it's on the house.
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Nice.
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Nicely done.
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Puts it into my basket.
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Hell yeah.
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Now here's, here's what this revealed to me.
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Okay.
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That's possible.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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I did not realize that was possible because it's a supermarket.
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Right.
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It seemed like the person who's checking you out doesn't have the authority to be like,
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it's that's on the house, buddy.
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Totally do.
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Um, everything's free.
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Yeah.
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It turns out.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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If, if somebody can just do that, I forgot to ring this through.
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Just go ahead and take it.
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Yeah.
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That means that everything is open for that kind of treatment and they should be giving
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away all that food.
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Oh man, you better believe it.
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I mean, hey, listen, I just, not to reveal my business at all, but if I'm grocery shopping
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and I'm, I'm always going through the checkout and I'm not always paying for everything.
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Talk about like the self checkout.
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I would say that I am always not paying for everything.
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You call it ringing up everything as bananas.
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I'm ringing everything up or at least it's...
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Shout out to David Drake.
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It looks like it.
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It looks like I've rung things up.
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Oh man, so many bananas.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, I got a free item.
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Nice.
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is, got some new tattoo action up here.
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Oh shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I got a nice little, nice little piece on the top of my back right around.
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I was just trying to show you, to hear my voice.
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That was what it sounds like if I'm digging into my chest with my chin.
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It says honk if you're horny on your shoulder blades.
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It's a great one.
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Um, no, it's a, it's the first simulated image of a black hole in dot form and it was really
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great.
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Okay.
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I could only see the top of it, but it looks neat.
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Yeah.
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Um, but it, because it was dot, it was a dot format.
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It was really one of the more enjoyable tattoo experiences I've ever had.
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I feel like it was similar to acupuncture.
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What's the, what's the difference?
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What some people may not, uh, by some people I mean me.
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I don't know the difference.
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Oh no.
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Well like with your tattoo, you know, there's that filling in thing and so you'll have the
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giant filling needle that will go like that.
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Whereas this one is every single thing is a dot.
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So it's just a constant poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke like that.
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Like a sewing machine.
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It's like a Monet.
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It is a little bit like a Monet, but I think you're thinking of George Seurat.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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I don't know my artist.
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So it is just like point, point, point, point, point, point.
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So it was a, it was surprising.
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Yeah.
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It's weird how much of the pain is like, oh, that's a scratch.
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Whereas just the poking is like, oh, this is kind of nice.
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That's strange to me because I was under the impression that all of the tattoos were just
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a lot of points, but like really fast.
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What?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yes.
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Yeah.
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You're not.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you're just talking about, you're talking about your tattoos a little slower.
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It's a little bit of, it was a slower tattoo.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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You got a slow cooked tattoo.
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Yes, exactly.
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Well, that's fun.
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Yeah.
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I am still intending to go get my next one.
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I meant to do it while I was in Columbia.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that would have been.
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I didn't have time and I wasn't sure if the tattoo shop that like everyone used to go
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to back then, like I don't know if they take walk-ins.
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Yeah.
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So I didn't want to, I didn't want to risk it and I was too busy, but I did, it's close.
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Oh, close.
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Would have been nice.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So something that's not nice, Jordan, is our episode that we have to do today.
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Fair enough.
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We got it, we got it in front of us, so we're going to do it.
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We're going to be talking about the 15th of June, 2025.
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All right.
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America's in a civil war.
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Sure.
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Alex has killed Gene Hackman.
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Yep.
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The Minnesota lawmakers have been assassinated.
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True.
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And, whoo, Nelly.
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Yeah.
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A lot of stuff's going on.
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Who won the Super Bowl this year?
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Was it just Kendrick?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I'll tell you who lost, Drake.
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Drake.
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Yeah.
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But we will get down to business on what Alex is up to on this show.
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But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Lucretia wants to shout out Dr. Paris because she's amazing and awesome and
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we bonded over KF and I know she would get a kick out of it.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, it's the eye of the geyser, he's a shill for the right, sucking up to a red-faced racist
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lah-hee-ah.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, and well done.
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I could tell.
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I don't know how I could tell immediately that was the-
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You felt it in your heart.
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And Alex Jones' pauses are so pregnant Chase will insist he carry them to term.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, we had Technocrat in the next room.
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Thank you so much to Dane, pronounced like a large dog or failed comedian, would like
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Zach, redacted last name to protect the innocent, to reach out so we can talk about the up-to-this-date
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completion of the Knowledge Fight compendium.
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Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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But also, I would say that Dane Cook is not a failed comedian.
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I think he has a troubled legacy.
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Sure.
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I think that maybe he's not someone who we're going to look at as a Carlin or a prior.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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But I think he was wildly successful.
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I am a failed comedian.
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I am beyond a failed comedian.
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I think Dane Cook did alright for himself.
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Yeah, he got the super finger going.
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He was in a bunch of movies, right?
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He was, yeah.
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For how?
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Mr. Deeds.
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No, not Mr. Deeds, it's Mr. Brooks.
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Yeah, it can't be, listen, it can't be more of a success than to be Dane Cook and then
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wind up in movies.
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Yeah.
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That's successful.
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Everywhere everyone showed each other their balls.
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He was in that one movie where he was in the store.
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Mm-hmm.
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Might have been the same one.
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Might have been the same one.
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Waiting.
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No, he was in, oh you're right, he was in Waiting.
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He was the Seth Rogen role.
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The Seth Rogen and 40 year old virgin role in Waiting.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That wasn't bad.
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It was terrible.
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Yeah, fair enough.
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So, the Minnesota shooting has happened.
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Yeah.
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As we discussed on the last episode.
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And Alex has made his attempts to pin this on Tim Walz.
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Sure.
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And create a wonderful conspiracy out of it.
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And he starts this episode off on the 15th thinking something stinks here.
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Something's not right.
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Something's rotten in Denmark.
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We have the Minnesota Tim Walz appointee and no kings organizer who they say is the suspect
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and the police say they saw run out of the house and shoot at police and they go in
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and there's the dead state senator, her husband and he critically wounded and a state rep
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and the spouse.
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And then they caught the wife and a bunch of other people with guns and passports fleeing
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but detained her but then didn't arrest her.
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And then he runs a security intelligence company.
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He's wearing a plastic mask.
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If you can believe it's him.
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This thing smells of some type of sophisticated operation.
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I don't know exactly what's going on but the first thing I did yesterday morning when the
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news broke is I said let me see who these two Democrat lawmakers are that got shot.
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Both of them were bucking the party.
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Both of them were voting against illegal aliens getting healthcare and other goodies and were
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being demonized and were scared.
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And what did they know?
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What were they about to release on Tim Walz?
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Oh man.
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So this is a good illustration of Alex using one of his standard little tricks.
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He technically said that he doesn't know what's going on with the case of this shooting so
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whatever shit he talks isn't something you can really hold him responsible for.
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He's making very clear insinuations and the storyline he wants the audience to follow
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is not ambiguous but all he wants to own up to is saying that this situation is suspicious.
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That it smells.
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But that's not the point he's making.
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The point he's making is that these two Minnesota lawmakers were unique in the fact that they
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were fighting against the Democratic Party line particularly in terms of undocumented
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immigrants having access to Minnesota care benefits.
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They were scared and the alleged shooter has deep connections to Tim Walz.
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The story is very clear that Tim Walz sent the guy to kill them for their refusal to
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join the team on these votes.
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But Alex doesn't want to just come out and say that probably because he knows how stupid
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it sounds when you spell it out in plain language.
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When you keep things in the territory of suggestion and heavy insinuation it's possible to lead
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people to conclusions that they would reject if you were more blunt about what you're saying
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and that's what Alex is doing.
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It's the just asking questions method.
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Yeah.
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You know it brings up to mind people in general I think a lot of people are surprised by people's
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actions but I think in general people do things because they work and they only know that
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they work because they've done them in the past.
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You know.
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So I would say that it would be surprising for Governor Tim Walz to intentionally assassinate
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lawmakers without also having a trail of intentional assassinations behind him.
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You know.
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Wow.
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It's unusual to just have the first assassination be.
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Pretty big.
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Yeah I mean it'd be a big one for your first.
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Yeah.
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That's all I'm saying.
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Well I mean you know I think that a lot of people in Alex's world have ideas about the
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Clinton body count.
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Sure.
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So I think they could find random people who have met Tim Walz who are now dead.
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Sure.
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They could say he killed.
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Fair enough.
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We could do this.
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You want to?
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We could do it.
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Man I don't want to.
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I don't want to do it.
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But what if dude.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't just Tim Walz.
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This would be big for his first.
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Right.
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Go at it.
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Are you saying that this goes all the way to the top.
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Yes.
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Oh shit.
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Of China.
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What did they know?
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What were they about to release on Tim Walz?
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Who is a Chi Comm agent?
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Sure.
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How do we know that wasn't a CCP operative with a rubber mask on?
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Which they did immediately.
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A rubber mask.
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So many reasons.
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The footage at the front door of the senator that got killed.
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And how do we now know that you know they heard gunshots today.
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This car.
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The stolen police car was found by some woods.
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I'm sure they'll find his dead body soon.
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So Alex is deep in insinuating that Tim Walz was behind the shooting.
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And now I guess the idea is that the shooter might have been an agent of the Chinese government
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who's killing these people to stop them from releasing some information about Walz being
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employed by China.
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That's really dumb.
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And if it's true then the Chinese government assassins are fucking sloppy.
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One of the targets and his wife survived.
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So whatever intel they were going to be killed to keep secret isn't going to stay secret
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now.
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So mission not accomplished.
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I like this kind of game though because Alex is operating off zero information and just
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throwing out fun what if scenarios.
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Like he's Uatu the Watcher.
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Just like I don't know what if this guy under the mask was a Chinese government spy agent
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guy.
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Let's make it a Christmas episode.
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I think this happened because of the Lord our Jesus Christ's birth.
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Why not?
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It makes sense.
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Yeah.
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I mean I I whenever your standard of suggesting something is how do we know this isn't true.
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Yeah I think you're on shaky ground.
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You know it's easy for us to walk over because we are who we are and we live where we live
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in this present day.
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But it cannot be understated how insane it is right that a guy who was materially partially
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at the very least responsible for these murders who shouldn't have been on the air anyways
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who could have very easily been off the air for a long time prior to this who is being
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given a platform by any number of people currently like all of this could have been stopped.
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No I disagree.
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I think Alex's engagement in it probably could have been stopped.
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But I don't think that like I think that if you know I don't know about the whole the
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whole everything could have been stopped.
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There is there is definite disruptions that could have been made in this information economy.
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Yeah.
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And things like that.
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But like if Alex had suffered the consequences that he should have let's say from the Sandy
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Hook trial.
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Sure.
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And he was no longer able to produce his show.
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Sure.
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Or maybe was in jail or something.
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Whatever you like.
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All of this stuff that the shooter was ingesting he would have found somewhere else.
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For sure.
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Like he would have found it on Twitter just like Alex finds all of his content on Twitter.
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No I understand.
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I understand.
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I just wanted to make clear that I.
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No I'm with you.
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I meant I meant less like all of this could have been stopped and more Alex's participation
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in this it could have been stopped.
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And yet we are listening to him run interference for the thing that could have been stopped.
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Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying.
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Yeah.
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Like that is happening.
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And I think that a larger understanding of how this misinformation economy and ecosystem
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works.
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If people more broadly and largely understood it then it could help limit the number of
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people who are like the shooter who go down this path because of the information exploitation
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that people like Alex carry out.
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You would think you'd hope.
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But we're not there.
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Nope.
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Now listen.
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Alex.
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Oh OK.
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Well I'm out.
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OK.
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Alex.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is saying that maybe it's a Chinese agent.
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Sure.
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Who put on a rubber mask and we've all just got a patsy going.
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Could have been.
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Would you describe that as a conspiracy theory.
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I think it would have to be a conspiracy by definition.
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But is that a conspiracy theory that Alex is pitching.
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Well I mean it's a theory about a conspiracy so it is demonstrably a conspiracy theory.
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So you're saying yes.
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Yes.
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Well you're wrong.
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Oh fair enough.
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Because Alex is not a conspiracy guy.
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Fair enough.
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So how do we know a ChaiCom or some other assassin didn't put a rubber mask on go kill
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these people and they've already got the patsy Vance Bolter dead.
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And again I'm not the conspiracy theory guy.
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99 percent of what I cover is what's going on analysis inside information sources.
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But when it comes to something like this it does not add up.
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Information sources dreams weird feelings.
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This raises this raises a very important linguistic question.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Now in this particular situation is it possible for this to not have been a conspiracy because
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she has unilateral authority.
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Is it possible for him to have just ordered the death of these people and no one else
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have any input whatsoever on it.
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Would that not be a conspiracy.
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Unless she was in the mask then there's probably people who are conspiring.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It would have to be a straight line of nobody question anything because the moment somebody
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is like well what if we then it's a conspiracy.
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Right yeah.
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We will take actions in furtherance of the plot.
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Then we have a conspiracy on our hands has to be right now that's a linguistic concern.
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But colloquially when we talk about conspiracy theories we talk about exactly what Alex does
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all the fucking time.
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Yes that is what we're doing there.
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Yeah.
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Seems to be a little defensive about it doesn't feel like he was being nitpicky about language.
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No I think he's just like don't make me well don't make me feel stupid to be blunt.
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This is really dumb but I think that it reveals an interesting little reality that Alex doesn't
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want to be seen as the conspiracy guy even when he's engaging in embarrassing levels
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of conspiracy theories.
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He wishes he was someone who people took seriously but unfortunately the only people who could
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ever take him seriously aren't serious people.
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It's ironic that one of the wonks referenced Dane Cook because it's a vicious cycle.
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Yeah you know.
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Yeah.
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Alex wants to be respected and the only way he knows how is to pretend to be something
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that stupid people respect.
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Yeah.
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I mean it is it is it is a strange kind of torture to create the box that you try and
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escape from and then keep yourself in it.
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But wild.
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But ironically inside the box you're safe inside the box you're fed inside the box you're
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happy you're exactly where you're supposed to be Alex but you just want to be out of
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that fucking box.
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Those are the things that society tells you you want but what you really want man is for
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the truth to be out there or you know to be the most popular thing on the planet.
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So the not a conspiracy.
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Oh Alex isn't a conspiracy not a conspiracy.
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Now in theory if the Chinese government knew that these two lawmakers had dirt on walls
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and so walls was involved with getting this guy that he put on a board to kill them or
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maybe just use him as a patsy.
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This is elaborate and I honestly think that you would have to suspect that the local police
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would be in on it.
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They would have to be.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Well Alex is wants you to know he's not saying that.
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And I'm not saying the local police department's in on it but they within you know an hour
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of the shootout with the guy in the rubber mask who they caught in the act and they went
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in and then one of the victims one one was dead when one died as the ambulance got there.
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I'm sure they have intel they haven't released yet how they believe it's this guy who's on
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the run and he's supposedly sending text messages to his friends and family you know that he
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did something like this and then we see videos by the groups reading the text and all of
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it and the wife caught fleeing with passports and guns with other people and there she is
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on screen this this there's the state senator on screen this does not smell good.
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So I think Alex has to be suggesting that the local police are in on this plot.
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I don't think there's any way this works otherwise.
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So they'd identified Vance Bolter as a suspect pretty quickly because of two things.
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One his roommate called the police after he got some texts that were a thinly veiled confession
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that he'd committed some serious crimes.
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To Bolter abandoned an SUV at the scene of the Hortman's home where the police had intercepted
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him and he managed to escape on foot.
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The plotting and carrying out of this attack was fairly intricate but it wasn't really
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a who done it after it was done and had been interrupted.
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The clues were all there pretty obvious.
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Alex wants to make it suspicious that there was a suspect fairly quickly but it doesn't
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really seem weird at all.
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There were strong leads and a person who just killed two people and attempted to kill two
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others at two separate locations was presumably armed and on the loose.
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The police would get that information to the public fast because it's a matter of public
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safety that you find this person before he kills another person.
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There's no reason not to kill people.
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Very clearly in the SUV that he abandoned there's indications of intent to kill more.
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So Bolter's wife was pulled over and stopped by the police.
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She was briefly questioned and consented to a search of her vehicle.
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She was driving with her four kids, their passports, $10,000 in cash and two guns.
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Alex said that she was quote fleeing with other people but seems uninterested in the
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fact that they were her kids.
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Yeah that is that is that does change things a little bit as far as calculus.
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In your point of view on that.
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I think he's making he's using language to make that a little bit shadier than it was.
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Yeah yeah yeah.
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So the reason that she was in this situation is likely that she'd received a text from
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her husband saying quote words are not going to explain how sorry I am for this situation.
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There's going to be some people coming to the house armed and trigger happy and I don't
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want you guys around.
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The couple were preppers and they had a bug out plan so it seems like she might have been
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following that plan when her path intersected with the police.
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As it stands now there's no indication that the wife was involved with the murders and
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all of these things that Alex is pointing out as suspicious.
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They're only suspicious if you want them to be.
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If you want to create suspicion around not not looking at information not looking at
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details.
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This this you know there are a lot of things we can take away from this but I think the
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big thing for me is that bug out bags aren't as useful as I thought they were going to
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be.
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I thought bug out bags were going to be more important but it feels like if you can be
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if you can be intercepted that quickly bug out bags aren't as big a deal.
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But I'm not sure I'm not sure like I see conflicting information a little bit about how much she
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was willing to be intercepted.
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Oh she said that the police contacted her and she pulled over.
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OK.
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In order to like meet with them.
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So she was like on the phone with them.
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Maybe.
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Or whatever.
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Yeah she has said something like that.
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The police in their affidavit said they located her and pulled her over.
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So you think her heart wasn't in the bug out.
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Probably not.
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OK.
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No.
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And especially if you're in the car with your kids.
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I mean what are you doing with kids and a bug out.
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But here's the thing.
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You know you need a sensible bug out.
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Sure sure.
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I mean yeah but we're not talking sensible.
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You need like a first aid kit.
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We're not talking about sensible here.
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We're well past that.
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Yeah.
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Well I think the indications that I would take away from this are the like little bits
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of you know sort of context seem to be that he was looking for a shooting war.
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Yep.
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And maybe she was less committed to the violent going out in a blaze of glory kind of thing.
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So I don't know.
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Because she did have two guns which Alex shouldn't have a problem with.
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Sure.
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But those could be for when you get to the homestead or whatever.
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Four kids is so many kids to have.
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Two more than two.
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And also want to have a lot of guns to fight the government with.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Those things go hand in hand a little bit though.
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So anyway this story stinks.
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I mean it really does.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And again I don't know what's going on.
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I just know what we're being told doesn't add up and everybody's pointing that out.
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How do they know a guy in a stolen police car.
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And they said it was looked like their police car, their police car.
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They've not been clear yet.
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But indistinguishable from their police car.
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Whose they had of an intelligence company.
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Intelligence security company.
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Who's got all these big appointments in the state government.
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And a no kings organizer.
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How does he.
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How do they know it's him.
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And then I said yesterday oh they're gonna find his dead body somewhere.
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And then oh there's a manhunt.
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Oh and he had a manifesto of 70 names he wanted to kill.
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Maga maniac.
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Click that.
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Let's see what the Democratic Party Drudge is saying.
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Click that.
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Drudge is the Democratic Party.
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Drudge is the Democratic Party.
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Cool.
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What are they saying?
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So all of the details that Alex is adding to this story to make the official version
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not make sense are things that he's wrong about or intentionally misrepresenting.
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The police never said that the shooter's car was a stolen police vehicle.
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They said it was made to look like a real police vehicle by the addition of lights and
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stuff like that.
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Alex has just decided that maybe it was a stolen cop car because that makes things look
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more suspicious.
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Yeah.
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Boulder doesn't have a intelligence and security company.
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He had worked a bit in food service and traveled to the Democratic Republic of the Congo as
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a missionary but he had a fantasy of running a security company.
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He founded a company called Praetorian Guard Security Services which failed to attract
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customers.
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Alex is embellishing the status of that company in order to make it look like this guy had
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connections to the FBI, the CIA, the intelligence community.
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Boulder didn't have quote all these big appointments in the state government.
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He was appointed to the governor's workforce development board in 2016, an unpaid position
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that has approximately 60 members.
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It's a single low level position he held which Alex is exaggerating out into a series of
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high level posts because that makes this picture more suspicious.
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Yeah.
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Alex wasn't a no kings organizer.
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He had a bunch of no kings flyers in his car but that doesn't really prove anything.
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They could have been there because he came across them at a shop and he took them to
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try and limit the amount of other people who could take these flyers and in the process
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limit the promotional spread.
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There's a number of possible explanations for why those flyers were in his car but Alex
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has decided that he was a no kings protest organizer because that's the option that makes
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it look the most suspicious.
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This is a typical strategy that Alex employs when the reality of a story is threatening
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to him.
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He just creates a fake story and then points out all the weird anomalies that don't make
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sense in his fake story.
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If you go through his career you see this behavior again and again, generally when he's
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worried about the real version of a story.
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In this case he's probably worried that it's going to come out that the shooter was a fan
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of his and that people are going to start asking questions about how Alex had openly
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declared a civil war had started on his show and how he said the next wave of the patriot
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movement launched with the no kings protest.
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All of it doesn't look good.
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But in other cases, like with the Sandy Hook shooting, Alex knew that if people took that
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event seriously we would need to reexamine gun laws and that was deeply threatening to
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him.
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In cases like these, Alex cannot deal with reality so he creates a second reality to
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engage with to make sure that people are too busy with his fake bullshit to ever deal with
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the real issue at hand and the way he does that is by just asking questions.
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The story stinks.
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I don't know what's going on but it's fishy.
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The official story that we're being told doesn't make sense and the official story is a fake
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version of an official story that he's selling to his audience.
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Specifically so it won't make sense.
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He's a real piece of shit.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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It's hmm, how would I describe, like, it's why we have judges in sports.
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Like a line judge in tennis.
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Because sometimes maybe the guy's fucking not telling the truth and then you have a
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person who just goes, no, you're done.
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You know?
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Move on.
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Move on.
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You're done.
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We move on.
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It's very hard to make this make sense in real life.
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Yeah, yeah, this is, he should have struck out a long time ago.
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Long time ago and people just keep going.
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Yeah.
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I don't know tennis terms but you know he should have been thrown out of the game.
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Bromley.
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So he's got some of his old employees who are still around.
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People like a John Bowne.
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And he plays a little report that John Bowne has made about the shooting.
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And I will say that a lot of it is just John Bowne rehashing things that Alex has said.
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Sure.
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We're going to be looking at all of this.
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John Bowne's follow report on it.
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Minnesota shooting reveals Democrat domestic terror.
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Here it is.
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The quiet suburbs of Minneapolis were shattered early this morning by a cold calculated act
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of political terror.
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State Representative Melissa Hortman, a Democratic powerhouse and former House Speaker, along
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with her husband Mark, were gunned down in their Brooklyn Park home by a suspect posing
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as a police officer.
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In a related attack, State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette were shot multiple times,
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both now clinging to life after surgery.
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As the lone Democrat in the House to join Republicans, Hortman supported SSHF1, a bill
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stripping undocumented adults from eligibility for Minnesota Care, the state's low-income
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health insurance program.
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This 68-65 vote, with Hortman as the decisive crossover, marked a stunning departure from
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her party's progressive rhetoric.
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The Democrats decried Hortman's vote as cruel and immoral, with Representative Maria
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Aisa Perez Vega chanting, this ain't one Minnesota in protest.
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Days before her murder, Hortman, physically shaking, defended her vote as a necessary
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compromise to secure a state budget in a tied 67-67 House.
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I know that people will be hurt by that vote.
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We worked very hard to try to get a budget deal that wouldn't include that provision.
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Yet this single act of pragmatism may have sealed her fate as whispers of retribution
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swirl in the wake of her assassination.
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This is absolute shit.
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What did John say the vote was on this bill?
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It was 68-65, right?
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So if Hortman had abstained from voting, it would have been 67-65.
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Or if she'd voted against it, it would have been 67-66.
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It seems like whatever she did, the bill would have passed, and that her vote was more of
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a symbolic act meant to ensure cooperation from the Republicans on other parts of the
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state budget.
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Because where he cuts off that thing from the news report, saying that we wanted to
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find a way to do this without this in the budget, but the GOP will not.
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They made it clear they weren't going to give an inch and that they were willing to shut
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down the government if they didn't get their way.
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The Minnesota House is a complete mess, even before the shooting.
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In the 2024 election, the House ended up being a 67-67 split between the GOP and the DFL,
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or the Democratic Farmer Labor Party.
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The GOP challenged the winner of the District 40B race, Curtis Johnson, and they were successful
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in stopping him from being seated by arguments that he didn't live in his district.
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A special election was scheduled, but for the time being, the GOP had a majority of
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67-66, with the 40B seat being vacant.
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It was very clear that the DFL would win that seat and it would end up in a tie, but while
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they had a temporary advantage, the GOP tried to push through all of their agenda.
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In response, the DFL members boycotted the House, refusing to show up so the GOP wouldn't
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have the required number of representatives present to make a quorum.
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In February of this year, the two parties reached a power sharing agreement, which sort
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of resolved things, but also clearly didn't.
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Melissa Hortman was part of that negotiation for the power sharing agreement, since she
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was the former Speaker of the Minnesota House and the leader of the DFL party.
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When they came to this compromise, she was part of the negotiations to form a state budget,
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part of which was this unshakable GOP position that undocumented adults were to be stripped
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of eligibility for Minnesota care.
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I'm not defending her choice in making that compromise, but I'm trying to illustrate that
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her vote is not as suspicious as Alex and Jon Bound want to make it out to be.
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The entire narrative of this vote being part of the motivation for the shooting falls apart
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when you add in the other victim, Senator Jon Hoffman.
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He voted against the bill, which wasn't as close in the Senate, and had 15 Democratic
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votes in favor of it.
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So if there was a means of killing these people to punish them for going against the Democrats,
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there's 15 senators in the Minnesota Senate that should have been targets before Hoffman.
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Jon Bound says that Hortman's pragmatic vote may have sealed her fate and that whispers
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of retribution are in the air, but he's the one who's doing the whispering.
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They're creating this like, oh, the streets are talking, and then pretending that they're
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just neutral observers covering this story.
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It's horse shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be Jon Bound near me.
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Like listening to that, I threw my hockey gloves to the ground.
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That shit was done.
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Yeah.
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Time to have a hockey fight.
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I don't know how else to describe what just happened there.
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I'm the sensible information person here.
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Gloves off.
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Gloves down.
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Let's go.
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Now, you know what you're doing here, Dick.
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You know exactly what you're doing.
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You are doing it on purpose.
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I know it.
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Now it's got to be resolved one way or the other.
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So Alex continues playing this Jon Bound report, and I honestly think that it's just repackaging
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Alex's stuff with a different person's voice.
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No official motive has been confirmed, but the No Kings flyers found in Bolter's vehicle
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tie him directly to the raucous anti-Trump rallies planned across Minnesota and the rest
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of the country.
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We don't have any raucous.
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Go fuck yourself.
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There were some flyers that said No Kings.
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And the plot thickens as Bolter has been identified as a 2019 appointee to the governor's workforce
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development board by Minnesota governor Tim Walz.
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My good friend and colleague, Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark, were shot and
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killed early this morning in what appears to be a politically motivated assassination.
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And as Trump's military parade marking the US Army's 250th anniversary begins to roll
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out, the left's refusal to cancel these rallies reeks of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance,
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preaching peace while aggressively rallying against Kings exposes the fractured ideology
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that Hortman's vote and her death have laid bare.
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There's a shocking and disgusting irony to that.
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The dissonance of the left doing protests.
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The dissonance of this, this kind of packaging, this kind of reporting as a means of running
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cover for a political assassin is dark.
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You know, I'm trying to invert things, right?
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Like I'm not screaming at you because we're in this room together.
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And that makes me want to scream very, very loudly for a long period of time.
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I know.
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And I can feel it.
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I can feel it to you because doing it to you wouldn't help.
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And yet you do that a lot.
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Well, I didn't say I was succeeding.
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Right.
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I said I was trying.
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Sure.
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Because man, that boy, you...
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It's gaslighting.
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Oh boy.
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Oh man.
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It's unfair.
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No Kings.
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How dare you?
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Oh buddy.
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If there's one thing that the United States is supposed to be like, one thing that's above
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the whole like, oh, I'm on the left or I'm on the right or anything like that.
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It's no Kings.
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No Kings.
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The whole thing is about how there's no Kings.
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Right.
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But the fact that it's called that means that it's not really about that because it's Soros
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and all that shit.
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So that's fine.
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Yeah.
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Also.
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Okay, fine.
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Then here's what I'll pull back.
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I can't do anything about that.
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What I do think that we can do is make, put words behind an achievement wall.
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You know how when you're playing a video game, you can unlock characters?
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If you do a well enough job at this thing or complete this challenge.
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I've played a little vampire survivors.
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I'm aware of this dynamic.
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This is good.
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We need to put words behind these kinds of challenges.
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He should not be allowed to use the word raucous.
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He shouldn't.
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He shouldn't be allowed.
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I don't know about not allowing people, but what you're describing is essentially education.
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You should learn about things before you discuss them.
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Yes, I am.
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I am describing education.
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It seems important to realize that I'm describing that because it did not seem to take.
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No, certainly not.
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So education is about learning things.
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And one of the arguments that I think has been central to our show is that Alex does
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not learn lessons.
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That's true.
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He will not learn.
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He is incapable of engaging with people trying to in good faith or even in dicey faith, trying
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to explain to him why the things that he does are wrong and they hurt people.
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No matter how many times you read it in a newspaper, Alex did not change his mind.
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No.
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And I think that as I was listening to the unfolding of his coverage around this, I felt
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like there's a lot of fucking Sandy Hook parallel.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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A lot of the like the official story stinks.
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I just don't know.
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I'm asking questions.
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There's anomalies.
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I'm feeling it.
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Yeah.
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And this next clip made me disgusted.
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Now yesterday I saw the roommate of the supposed shooter who we're all being told did it.
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Vance Bolter.
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And now there's a manhunt and people heard gunshots in the woods and his vehicles been
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found.
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He's got his dead body.
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And somebody shows up in a mask, a rubber mask, but you're told it's him.
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Then I saw the video of his obese roommate reading his text message to the news yesterday
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and it came off as very theater kid.
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And he's crying, saying, I can't tell you and implicate you, but I'm probably never
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going to come back.
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I'm probably about to die.
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He does all this fake crying.
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And I thought, man, that's really suspicious.
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But I didn't really say anything yesterday about it.
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I just I'm going to put that in my data bank.
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Now he's told the news that his roommate.
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Vance Bolter, who we're told did this.
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But some guy in a rubber mask and a police car was there doing it, had a shootout with
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the police and escaped.
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That he is a huge Trump supporter.
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Yeah, and there he is.
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We'll play that next.
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But first, I want to play the corporate media out front his house.
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And oh, he says.
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That this appointee by walls with all the no Kings flyers in the car that the police
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found the police car.
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He's a Trump supporter.
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And he had 70 targets.
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So were they planning to hit more people, whoever this group is, and then blame Trump,
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blame us?
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What did I say is coming?
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The false flag.
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This is the exact same behavior that Alex engaged in with Sandy Hook.
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The parallels are pretty direct, which is why part of holding Alex accountable for what
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he did in that case involves not letting him be a public figure that can be taken seriously
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again.
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He will just do this over and over because he doesn't care about the people that he might
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hurt in the process.
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Someone connected to the shooting said something that's inconvenient for him politically.
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So Alex has just decided to heavily suggest that he's an actor and he must be in on the
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whole thing, planted there to say that the Patsy was a Trump supporter.
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That's really all Alex is responding to.
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There's nothing bigger behind this than the fact that the roommate said that the shooter
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was a Trump supporter and that's threatening to Alex.
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So Alex has to invalidate it.
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That's it.
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If he'd said that the shooter was a big Harris fan, do you think that he would come off as
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such a theater kid to Alex or would it conveniently his vibes be a little bit different?
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Crazy.
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Alex cannot control himself because there's no reason to.
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There's some strong indications that the shooter in this case was a fan of his content, which
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carries zero consequences in reality.
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In order to deflect any potential association between the shooter and Trump, Alex is engaging
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in the same behaviors that led to his Sandy Hook lawsuit because he hasn't really faced
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that many consequences there.
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He's still super rich and the vilification that came from that suit has made people like
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Tucker Carlson think that he's some kind of countercultural figure that they should prop
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up.
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You know, he's learned in essence that there's nothing wrong with doing this.
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Yep.
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I'm going to do this.
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Who cares?
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I'm gonna do the same thing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is, it is one of those things where to me, looking at the present, it feels like
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what we're living in is not the consequences of malicious behavior so much as the consequences
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of not punishing failure.
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If you fail the way that the legal system has failed, the consequences are not on the
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legal system.
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They're on us.
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The consequences are then fed directly to us.
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All of the people who have failed get to go on about their day as though, hey, listen,
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win or lose, it's just a thing.
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It can't be like that.
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It can't be like-
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Well, it's the same thing with failing to regulate pollution makes us all pay for it
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instead of making the companies that are polluting pay for it.
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Not holding Alex responsible in a way that addresses the issue within the legal system
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makes all but certain other people are going to be subject to the same things.
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He's going to, when convenient, when profitable, when easy, he's going to do the same things
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in the same way that if allowed, companies are going to pollute.
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And we all are going to bear the social burden of that.
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The sales pitch on that system is that the consequences can be less corrupt and can be
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safer and can be all of those things.
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But if you fail, then what?
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There's no recourse and there's no acceptance of responsibility.
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There's no like, hey, we failed you, America, the world.
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I'm not sure what the answer is either.
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I don't think that vigilantism or trying to hurt Alex is an answer or a legitimate way
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of enforcing those consequences.
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I don't know what it is.
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I think the answer might be he's going to have to get sued again.
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I don't know if this dude wants to sue him, but there's certainly a path for this dude
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to sue him.
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Good luck.
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At what point does you start to get into criminal consequences for, like the civil courts very
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clearly seem to have not provided the consequences that Alex would respond to, but maybe some
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sort of criminal court would.
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I don't know.
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It's depressing.
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I mean, honestly, honestly, it would go a long way for people to apologize for failing
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and admit that they failed.
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It would go a long way.
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I think it would go a long way for people who are listening to just hear judges and
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people go like, sorry, we fucked up.
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This one failed.
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We failed this one.
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And then that's what we got to do, but we're going to pick up and move on.
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Failure happens.
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I don't know if that's the universal perception that all of them would have.
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Exactly.
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But they're full of shit.
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According to you, yeah.
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And that's fine.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know how you communicate that message, but it's a bummer.
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So anyway, Alex has decided that he's going to start attacking this roommate guy as an
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actor.
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But here is David Carlson.
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And this is my opinion.
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You can make your own decision about it.
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This came out within a few hours of this happening yesterday.
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And to me, this looks extremely.
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Ungenuine and scripted.
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Oh, and you're the reporter.
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It's Vance Balter.
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See it's his last words.
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Oh, text messaged a guy in a rubber mask supposedly does this, tries to kill the police.
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Shoots four people, kills two.
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And then we're just instantly told the official story that it is Vance Balter.
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And oh, he's going to be found dead.
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And he and the text messages are going to be found probably going to be dead.
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And then we're told, oh, people heard shots in the woods.
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They police found the car a few hours ago.
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Dead men tell no tales.
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Oh, here's Vance Balter's body.
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We got his phone right here with his text messages.
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It's him.
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He did it.
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This has got the signs of setup all over it.
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It's probably a good thing that Alex doesn't really matter as much as he did in 2013 or
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else this could incite a really bad harassment campaign against the guy.
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He may still be the subject of some dumb conspiracies and harassment, but Alex is an unnecessary
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part of that process in 2025.
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He is just a Twitter recap show.
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So it'd probably be a lot harder to argue that he was a critical part of spreading theories
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about David Carlson, the roommate, compared to the past.
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Absolutely.
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But it's interesting how Alex is wrong about everything in that clip.
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All of his predictions about how things are going to play out are wrong.
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Balter wasn't found dead.
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He was arrested.
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Alex is wrong and making shit up, but there's another aspect of this that's important.
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He's saying that Balter is going to be found dead, which is part of his argument that this
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has set up written all over it.
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Alex doesn't realize it, and it's not important to anyone, but this is a conditional if-then
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statement.
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If Balter is found dead, then this has set up written all over it.
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His final text to Carlson and his wife can't be fraudulently pinned on him if he survives
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and says that he sent them.
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The shootings can't be falsely ascribed to him if he lives and said that he did it.
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All of this patsy-crafting that Alex is doing relies on the assumption that he's going to
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be found dead, and then everyone will just say that he did it.
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Because Balter was taken alive, Alex should have to reassess a lot of this stuff, but
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he doesn't have to.
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Part of the reason is that no one cares, including Alex.
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This is all a game to him.
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None of this is the conveying of sincere belief or information.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it is like the effect of Alex in 2013 that everybody else is handling it without
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him.
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It's like, oh yeah, we've already got the conspiracies, we've already got the patsy,
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we've already got the fake actors, we've already got it all down.
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You have educated us in such a way that this is how it is done.
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This is how we do it.
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Yeah.
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It had such a erosive effect on people's engaging with breaking stories, breaking information.
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He made so much money off it.
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There's such a profit incentive in these kinds of games that people just can't resist.
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He might as well have written the handbook on like, oh, take step, step, step, step,
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step, profit.
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His show essentially is that, if you wanted it to be.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I guess you could train yourself to abuse information pretty well.
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So he's just wrong about how he thinks things are going to play out.
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Sure.
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What did I tell you in the last six months?
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False flag shootings on lawmakers, on homes, on illegal alien demonstrations, on black
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churches, that's what they've been pre-programming.
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They always tell you beforehand, getting their story ready, getting it in your mind.
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And then I said they find a dead body of a MAGA supporter so that they can't defend themselves.
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And here we are, he's a huge Trump supporter.
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Says his best buddy.
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And look, we got the text messages.
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They didn't say someone claiming to be Vance Bolter.
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No, Vance Bolter's last text messages.
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What could be his last words?
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All foreshadowing they find the dead body.
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I'll be very surprised if they catch him in the mad hunt now.
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No, he's dead in a barn somewhere.
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He's dead in a gully somewhere.
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Alex is right 95% of the time and yet so shockingly wrong on such a regular basis.
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Makes you wonder how stats work.
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So Alex says all of this foreshadows them finding Bolter dead because he's treating
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all this like a dramatic story someone else is telling and he's trying to predict the
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plot based on the writer's clues.
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The problem is that he doesn't actually think like that.
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If he did, he would have killed a bunch of people by now and probably himself.
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What he's exhibiting is a very distorted manner of viewing the world, but if he really saw
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things that way and acted upon it, he'd be unable to function.
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He couldn't run a fake pill company.
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He couldn't shift all of this stuff over from the Alex Jones store to the Alex Jones
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dot net network or whatever.
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He wouldn't be able to do all that stuff if he truly was caught up in reading all the
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clues that the man is secretly giving him.
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And this, I believe, is part of what makes him such an interesting figure.
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Is that he is kind of fucked up in this way.
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There is some part of that that he's drawn by, but part of it is also very fake and part
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of it is a performance that encourages that kind of thinking in the audience.
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And that like, is this real?
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Is this fake?
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That kayfabe or whatever, it's the most blurry with him than it is with anybody in his media
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bubble.
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Do you remember the Tony Hawk games?
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Yes, very well.
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Right.
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Do you remember later on, I remember them having so many stats.
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Like, you know, like, oh, this is how good they are, Ollie.
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You know, like it would just be line after line of stat things that you can slightly
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adjust.
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Even the first ones had a fair amount.
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Yeah.
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To me, anything higher than like your standard Dungeons and Dragons six stat kind of thing
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is awful high.
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It feels like the amount of characteristics, the stat characteristics have to be tuned
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to such a very specific level at every single one of them to get Alex.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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It's true.
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What is his version?
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What's a skater's version of charisma?
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Is that manual?
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That is a good question.
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What would that be?
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We'll see.
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Photogenic.
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Photogenic-ness.
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Okay.
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That's a great stat.
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Good job, Jordan.
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Good job, Jordan.
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Tony Hawk.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Well, see, here's the thing.
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In some of the earlier games, you didn't have things like, the manual wasn't in the
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game.
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I think the grind stat, that's the most charismatic thing to do is to grind going down the...
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Yeah, I think we can agree on that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The issue that I have with this stat thing with Alex is that there are certain things
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in a D&D build.
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Sure.
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There are certain stats that preclude other stats.
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Sure.
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Like if you have a giant, bulking, super strong person, they can't also have super high agility.
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It's more interesting.
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Yeah.
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You can move both of those things together.
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Yeah.
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Or else you then have to have no charisma, no...
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Exactly.
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Can't talk.
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Yeah.
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But you could move around a lot and you're beefy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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With Alex, he's able to navigate bullshit the way that he does on his show.
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And I think that you could believe that he is just as crazy as he presents himself to
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be.
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Sure.
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But he has really good handlers around him, like his dad.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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And once the cameras are off, he is a raving lunatic and his dad has to stop him from doing
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all of the killing and shit that he would do on his own.
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But...
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So he's like a horse.
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He's put inside of a thing and driven from place to place and then allowed out to do
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the show and then put...
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Well, I'm saying that someone could suggest that.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But he's such a defiant, oppositional character and his personality relies so much on, like,
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no one is telling me what to do, no one can tell me what to do, that I don't think that
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those traits are compatible.
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Like he can't be being handled by his dad and be the oppositional defiant weirdo that
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he is.
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Right.
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None of it makes sense.
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The stats don't add up together.
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Right.
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And that's what makes him interesting.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And I think the places where it's confusing is mostly lies.
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Yeah.
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I think mostly it's...
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The incongruity can be resolved using Occam's razor, which is...
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He's a big fat liar.
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But he's also somebody who's always right when he theorizes about stuff.
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Makes sense.
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But it looks like whatever they had planned didn't go as big as they wanted.
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I don't know.
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But you know, usually when I am forced to theoritize and look at the different pieces
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I have, more often than not, I'm dead on.
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What do you think?
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He'll post this clip from a live show at X later.
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Do you want to know more?
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You can give me your intel and your angles, which I really need with your human intelligence.
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You're human.
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We'll figure this out.
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We're going to stay on this.
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I'm going to come back and play this guy.
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In my opinion, fake crying.
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I mean, this is just really bad acting.
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This guy get his acting training at a strip mall.
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So I think that the way that that clip plays out gives you a little bit of some indications.
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I'm fishing for attention on Twitter.
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Please sound off with your comments and your humet.
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But he also needs other people to create some of this shit talk that then he can repeat
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that lets him a little bit off the hook.
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I'm just covering what people are saying on Twitter.
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The morning to evening Fox News pipeline kind of thing.
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He's trying to incite other people to come up with shit.
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Be his Wolfgang Hal.
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People are saying, I'm reading now that people are saying that he wasn't real in the first
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place.
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I'm just interviewing this guy who has an interesting thought on it.
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Exactly.
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This is a very prestigious, credible person who's Professor Ding Dong or whatever the
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fuck on Twitter.
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The thing I hate most about shit like that is whenever it's so directly parallel, it's
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like at the very least, give me a new version of this.
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How can we allow the exact same words to be said again?
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I think he's a bad actor.
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Even you should not say that.
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You should be like, well, I'll come up with something better than he's a bad actor.
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If I were Alex and I was just a gigantic piece of shit and I had been through what
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I had been through with the Sandy Hook cases, I would have PTSD around the idea of saying
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this about somebody.
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I would not be able to do it because I would be like, well, at least on a muscle memory
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level, I remember that this is trouble.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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No, it doesn't matter.
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So Alex pledges that he's going to follow this story.
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He's going to get to the bottom.
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I doubt it.
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We're going to follow this story because it stinks to high heaven like a rotten fish.
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Or like a sewage line.
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But here's what we know.
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You have a high level appointee to the Board of Labor of Minnesota.
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And a big reported no king supporter, big Democrat uprising group.
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He's got a intelligence security firm.
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He's surrounded by Democrats.
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He's a Democrat.
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And then his best buddy reads messages crying for the news that it's him.
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And here he is saying all this.
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And then the best buddy says, oh, yeah, he's a huge Trump supporter.
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And so the huge Trump supporter in a rubber mask with a stolen police car.
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Those attacks, the state senator at state rep's house kills two critically wounds, two
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others, kills a senator and her husband critically wounds the state rep and their spouse.
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And then we're told it's going to be found dead.
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And now we're they're looking for the dead body.
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They heard shots.
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There's a car found in the woods.
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So the the the the the maga maniac wearing a rubber mask, I don't know who he is, but
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we know it's him.
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The media told us it's him with no evidence wanted to kill Democrats that were voting
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against Tim Walz.
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Illegal alien, free health care legislation and other things.
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So when you're a big Trump supporter, you go kill the Democrats that are defecting from
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the party, which is their main fear, which is happening everywhere.
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OK, none of it adds up.
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So I'm thrilled that he's going to keep on following the story.
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And I think that Bolters roommate could sue him.
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I think the grounds are pretty clear there.
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Everything Alex is saying in the clip that's meant to add to the suspiciousness of this
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story is false or wildly exaggerated.
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The version that Alex is telling is very suspicious, but only because of the stuff that he's making
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up.
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If he could address this story based on the information that was available, it wouldn't
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be all that suspicious.
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But he can't do that, because if he did, it would make him feel bad.
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One thing that's particularly wrong here is that the people who the shooter targeted were
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Democrats who voted against extending Minnesota care to immigrants.
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Melissa Hortman voted with the GOP on that, but John Hoffman didn't.
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So this theory of a motive doesn't work.
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A further complication is that Tim Walz was supportive of the compromise that the lawmakers
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reached in order to pass a state budget.
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He was obviously opposed to this piece of it, but he was part of reaching the larger
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agreement.
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He literally appeared with Hortman and the new Speaker of the House, GOP Representative
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Lisa DeMuth, at a press conference announcing that compromise back in May.
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Voting for this piece of the budget wasn't going against Tim Walz.
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In fact, it could be argued that Hortman made a very difficult decision that was exactly
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what Walz needed her to do in order to get the rest of the budget passed.
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Alex needs to lie and add shit to this story to make it suspicious, because if he didn't,
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he wouldn't really be able to argue against the shooter's actions.
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Democrats are fucking demonic child abusers who can't get enough human trafficking.
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On what grounds could Alex actually stand against assassinating Democratic leaders?
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If anything that he preaches is meant to be taken seriously, Boulder's actions should
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be reported on Infowars as noble and just, which is why this has to be a false flag and
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why he desperately has to go out of his way in order to create this dumb bullshit.
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Yeah, we're not at the point where it's useful and advantageous to propagandize these people
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as heroes.
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I imagine we'll get there.
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I would say no, but I've been so wrong about the-
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Yeah, it's tough to hold up the track record.
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And I think that the way that he's made sort of tragic heroes out of people who, like cops
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who have killed black people, like a Derek Chauvin type figure.
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That one kid from Milwaukee or whatever his fucking name is?
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I think we're not that far off from him being able to do that.
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Now whether or not he has the nerve to-
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I'll say that in some circles he already is being hailed as a hero.
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Yes, but I mean Alex.
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I mean, does Alex have the nerve?
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For sure.
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That's a good question.
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I don't know if he thinks that his brand could survive doing that, but I think a time may
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come when he-
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I mean, time may come when it's the only way he feels like his brand can survive is to
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go full on.
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Yep.
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It might be.
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Well.
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So Alex, he knows when things are fake when he sees them.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Again, how do you walk into someplace and you see a bowl of fruit and from 20 feet away
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you go, that's fake.
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It looks real, but you just- your mind knows because it knows the look.
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You know when you see something fake.
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And I'm not saying it's fake.
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I'm saying it's my opinion that these crocodile tears, because there's no tears here, and
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you add all this together, it looks really bad.
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Here it is.
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I love you guys.
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I made some choices and you guys don't know anything about this, but I'm going to be gone
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for a while.
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Sorry.
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So, like, he says he knows when things are fake, but his track record about, like, knowing
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fake things is pretty shit.
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In a sense.
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Like, the biggest problems he's had in his career are times when he's called things fake
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that he was totally wrong about.
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Right.
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So, in a sense, all right, if you- think about it this way, all right, if you know all of
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the things that are wrong, every single thing that is wrong, you in a sense also know what
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is right, because that is defined as the only thing that is not.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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By virtue of this.
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So in a way, yes.
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If he calls it fake, you know it's real.
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And if he calls it real, you probably know it's fake.
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Therefore, he kind of does know when things are fake.
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In a sense.
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That's an unreliable metric.
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Yeah, that is- it's very unreliable.
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Just because Alex calls something fake doesn't mean it's real.
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But him saying something that is fake means nothing.
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And his track record is shit.
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Right.
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So, he plays this clip of David Carlson speaking to reporters and reading these text messages.
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And he did not- I watched the larger video, he didn't seem to want to read these text
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messages.
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The reporters were kind of like, could you give us some information?
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Jesus.
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What did they say?
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Yeah.
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I think it's a little bit uncomfortable, but also I understand why reporters are doing
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what they're doing in that context.
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But Alex has decided this all just looks very fake.
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Obviously.
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And, man.
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I love you guys and I'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused.
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So, it looks like he reads this for the first time with the news cameras and he chokes up.
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He does the huffing and puffing.
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And I just feel like I'm in the middle school play of Peter Pan here, don't you?
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You're cops watching that.
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You know bull crap when you see it, right?
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But you're not supposed to ask questions.
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That's why I'm such a bad man.
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I know that Alex is being facetious here about this being why he's a bad man, but he's actually
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spot on.
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This is a huge part of why he's a horrible person.
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Alex is saying the exact same things he did about Robbie Parker's press conference after
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the Sandy Hook shooting.
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And Alex has every reason to know how much that hurt him.
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Alex knows precisely what he's doing and he does not care.
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This couldn't be a clearer example that he hasn't learned anything from that entire lawsuit
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and he's doing the exact same thing to another person because the truth is too difficult
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for him to spin.
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If he actually dealt with reality on reality's terms, it would be tough.
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Or he's learned one thing from the lawsuit which is he can do whatever he wants.
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And I think that those are the same thing in terms of learning your lesson and learning
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that I don't have to learn lessons.
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There are no consequences for me.
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So David Carlson's a private citizen and Alex is accusing him of being an actor, which would
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have to mean that he's part of an elaborate plan to kill Minnesota state lawmakers and
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what a willing participant in a psy-op meant to overthrow Trump.
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Who hired him?
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Who hired that person?
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Under whose direction?
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How many people did they... was it an open casting call?
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Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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Yeah.
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Until Alex faces real consequences that make him understand the gravity of the things that
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he does to people, this behavior isn't going to change.
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And I don't know what those consequences are, but I think he probably... there should probably
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be some way that he could go to jail.
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I feel like that might do it, maybe, but maybe not.
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I mean, I don't know.
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Give you a podcast from jail, right?
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It is like, I wonder how much of Alex's protection is really just cast off protection from the
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legal system's inability to hold any rich person accountable.
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I think that's a large part of it.
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And then I think a lot of these issues are really, really touchy things that a lot of
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people don't want to deal with, like speech.
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Sure.
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I think that the retreat and the mask of free speech is something that people... you worry
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about, oh, what's the precedent something is going to set?
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I think that, especially in the US, we're pretty bad with those kinds of issues.
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We don't really deal with them in a way that's compatible with real life.
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Well, at least not dealing with them has clearly served us well so far, right?
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I feel like we're doing great.
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No notes.
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So, look, man, this guy, he didn't do it.
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Maybe.
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Maybe it was a Chinese agent.
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Who knows?
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I feel like it's very easy to know.
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But there was a rubber mask, right?
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Fair enough.
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So now they can just frame anyone.
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So they can put a rubber mask on and go out and kill whoever they want and frame MTG,
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Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Matt Gaetz, Roger Stone.
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And then they got your phone, they just sent out the messages.
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And it's voila.
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And it's how quick they had it out.
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It's how it was all ready, how it was all prepared.
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You see the preparation of walls and his statement yesterday, all of it.
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I know scripting when I see it.
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And so do you.
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I don't know what's going on.
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And I'm saying I believe this is a big lie.
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And I believe whatever they had planned fizzed out, supposedly a lot bigger.
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That's what we have for the manifesto.
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They won't show us.
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At 70 he wanted to kill.
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And then you got the wife in a carload of people with all their passports, guns and
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ammo caught in other county.
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And that story went off the radar.
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Meanwhile, you've got Jamie Raskin at the no kings event in D.C.
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No American flags to be seen, but Palestinian flags are there.
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And then you've got North Carolina state rep waves trump the capitated head at no kings
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protests.
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Some cuts may be necessary.
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They're just trying to hype somebody to go out and do the wild.
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Somebody already shot at him.
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And that's already been done.
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That feels silly.
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That bridge has already been crossed.
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If he gets shot, it's because people are already shooting at him.
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So you might notice that no one's put on a rubber mask and framed Alex, Roger, MTG,
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because it wouldn't be as easy as Alex is imagining it to be.
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Almost absurd.
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Yeah.
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So also that story from the no kings protest is misreporting.
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North Carolina representative Julie Von Haffen posted an image of a protester's sign on
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social media, which Alex is reporting as her waving around a severed head at the protest.
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Sounds about right.
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He doesn't know what the actual story is, and Von Haffen immediately apologized.
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Seems kind of stupid, though, to whine about how this is all going to lead to violence
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while simultaneously trying to run defense for a guy who just assassinated a state rep.
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But Alex is kind of stupid that way.
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And the dissonance of this is not going to make the listeners think like, wait, hold
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on a second.
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People were just murdered.
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People weren't murdered after the no kings protests.
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Mm hmm.
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Strange.
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Very strange.
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I wonder if there's some sort of like, I wonder if there's some sort of way to go back and
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look, because I feel like there is a down, there's a death spiral that begins when enough
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people are successfully convinced that competence is suspicious.
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You know what I mean?
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Like when somebody like, oh, my God, they did it.
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They did it too well.
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Like Jesus Christ, be happy that somebody did their fucking job well for once.
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Sure.
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Right.
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Like, oh, see how fast the vaccine came out?
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That's no way.
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You're way off.
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That's an amazing achievement.
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Do you see the pyramids?
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It's an amazing achievement.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Human effort when directed and ushered well can have shocking results.
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It's good.
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Yeah.
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Things can be good.
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Or it's all a plot and you should be...
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End of society.
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I think that, yeah.
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I mean, I don't think that explains everything, but there's something to that.
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Competence being suspicious is not a sustainable...
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Yeah.
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There's just no way to come back from it, right?
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If doing a good job is like, oh, you can't trust him, then why would you ever do a good...
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How could you do a good job?
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It certainly de-incentivizes that.
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So I thought like, well, Alex is really doing some shit on this show.
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And then halfway through, he just decides to leave.
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Oh.
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All right, we're gonna go to break, start the next hour.
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Masses of news, clips, analysis on so many stories, so many friends.
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Chase Geyser was downtown last night during the No Kings Bedlam.
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He's got all this footage coming up.
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Stay with us.
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He'll be in the studio.
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But look at the boomers.
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I posted that today.
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You go to the No Kings thing, it's 99% white.
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That's old white leftists that want to be the ruling class trying to control society.
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Now we got a sale that ends today and your funding of this operation is critical, but
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you want the products, only sell something that works.
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We have ultramethylene blue capsules with vitamin C to supercharge it.
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Amazing.
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I thought from listening to that, that like, okay, Chase is going to come in and do some
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reports on the protest.
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Alex is going to host and Chase is going to guess.
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Chase just takes over.
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So Alex leaves.
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All right.
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And that thing, a look at the boomers is in reference to Chase's big revelation that he
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has that is like, all right, so these protests, when you go to them at the beginning, it's
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all old people.
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It's all these old boomers.
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Sure.
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And then when the lights go down, when the sun sets.
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When the protests start to get real fuck based.
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That's when the kids show up.
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Right.
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All of these protests are really just meant to make it look normal to protest when later
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the kids are going to show up and set things on fire.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I don't know.
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That's an interesting theory, Chase.
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I also think it's pretty amazing.
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Alex is saying he's bedlam at these protests and Chase's coverage of it is quite boring.
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He was not able to capture on tape any kind of bedlam.
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Mostly people doing some chanting and saying fuck Trump and that kind of stuff.
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I mean, I guess from where I'm sitting, it would be very hard if I'm on the right going
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like, wow, can you see the lack of decorum as my main criticism of the protests?
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I feel like that would not be...
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Well, I mean, that's what Alex has tried to do about Alex Padilla, the Senator who got
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handcuffed at the Kristi Noem event.
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Not polite enough.
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Not polite enough.
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Should have been kinder.
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We could all stand to be a little bit more kind.
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Now let me auction off this bullhorn.
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So I am somewhat flabbergasted by this and I wanted this episode to stand alone a little
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bit because I think it's such a clear illustration of Alex doing the Sandy Hook tricks again.
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And I think that it's a mistake to think of them as Sandy Hook tricks.
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They're his tricks.
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They're the things that he does.
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It's just that the most famous example that got him in the most trouble had to do with
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the Sandy Hook shooting.
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To bring it full circle, as I was saying, this is a moment because you couldn't go back
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and look at Alex's career before Sandy Hook and see him doing the same thing over and
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over and over again because it works.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And some of it, I think, certainly escalated a lot more.
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For sure.
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But yeah, the Aurora shooting was before Sandy Hook and Alex called a lot of the people who
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were there actors.
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These were things that were already starting to take hold in conspiracy circles.
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Crisis actor narratives and stuff like that.
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So it's not unique to that.
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It's what he knows can work.
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It's a pattern of behavior.
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And I think that the reason that it's interesting to see it deployed here is that for a long
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time I don't think he's felt comfortable doing that.
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Yeah.
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Because of the courts.
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Because of the danger that some of this represents.
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And there's a back on my bullshit kind of feel about him doing this to the shooter's
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roommate.
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There were plenty of times that we've talked about in the intervening years, which is great
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to say those words, years, wherein he's like, you know what, maybe I'll hold back a little
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bit because of all of that stuff.
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He's insinuated that he is holding back due to consequences.
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But until a pattern of behavior is stopped, diverted, until the inertia of that is moved
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away, especially if it's monetarily rewarded, people are just going to keep doing it.
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I'm afraid so.
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And I think that in the past we've seen, or intervening years as you say, we've seen a
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lot of examples of him getting fairly close to doing stuff like this.
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But I don't feel like I've seen him go full on, this guy is a fucking actor, where'd he
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learn at a strip mall, that kind of stuff.
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Saying that these tears are fake, all this shit.
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I don't think that I've seen that in a while.
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It represents a shift.
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I don't think it's a meaningful shift.
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Except for that obviously he doesn't think that this can get him in trouble anymore.
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Right.
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In the past, what we've seen is him trying to do the same thing using words that won't
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get him in trouble.
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Yeah, damage avoidance.
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Right, right, right.
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And so with his words, if you connect a bunch of clauses and put everything together, you
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can see he's saying the exact same thing about Sandy Hook that he was before.
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He's just doing it in a different way.
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Whereas now it feels like he's saying it exactly the same.
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This has a smoke him if you got him feel to it.
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Absolutely, 100%.
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And that to me I think is meaningful, if anything.
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Yeah.
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So, we'll see what happens.
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He has not yet commented at this point on the shooter being an Infowars fan.
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Unsurprising.
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But I'm sure that will escalate the actor aspects.
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Yep.
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Because that information does come from the roommate who Alex is already working to discredit.
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Right.
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So, that'll be fun.
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I hope he stays on this story forever.
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Great.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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Indeed we will.
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But until then we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZXClark.
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I am the Mysterious Professor.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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