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It's time to pray.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.
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Ahh, bleh. I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,
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worship at the altar of Selene,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today is, well,
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you are going on a little vacation soon.
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That's true.
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And I'm gonna take a little trip myself.
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Yeah, that's true, also.
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And so we are, you know, we're busy like little bees
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trying to prepare for this trip.
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Have some episodes to release for folks
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while we are away.
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But I did take a little bit of time for myself,
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and I watched some Jurassic Park movies.
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Yes, of course.
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And I spent a while before we started recording
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complaining to you about them.
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Complaining, reviewing, whatever you like.
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Talking about how insane the Jurassic World trilogy is.
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Sure.
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And how unacceptable they are as movies.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They ruin the magic of dinosaurs.
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But I don't want to rehash any of that territory.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Because I don't want to bore you.
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But I did have one more observation.
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OK.
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And that is that Chris Pratt is incredibly lucky.
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Yeah.
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He does not have the it that I remember him having.
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Ooh.
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Watching The Lost World 2, I was like,
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this seems like it could have killed a career.
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And he escaped from that and is still a leading man.
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Wild.
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Still in a lot of stuff.
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Wild.
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I don't think I had that response to him when I saw
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Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Right, he was a dynamo.
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Yeah.
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I think there's something about him in that role that stinks.
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Yeah, wasn't that like right when
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he became one of the people who believes weirdo stuff in the,
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you know what I'm saying?
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He might be.
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I feel like that was.
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No offense to people who believe weirdo stuff.
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Sure.
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I think that the first Lost World was
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one of his big first leading guy roles.
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OK, OK.
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And I think maybe he didn't have enough of the presence
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to step into a sequel to really be in it.
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It felt like a dud.
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You know, when you're cast as the guy who holds out
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his hand to imaginary raptors, what are you going to do?
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What are you going to do?
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Sure.
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Right, that's just going to suck.
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You've made your name as like charming, lovable, slacker,
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loser on Parks and Recreation.
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And then you're out alpha-ing raptors.
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It's strange.
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It can be done.
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Sure.
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I just don't feel like it was done.
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You know, like when Han Solo goes to Indiana Jones,
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you're like, I buy it.
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Whenever a dumpy guy from Parks and Rec
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goes to Indiana Jones, you're like, ah, no, no, no, no, no.
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Guy who out alphas raptors.
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And like, we've seen Baldoon.
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Yeah.
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You know, like we have guys from Jurassic Park's past
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that were pretty strong.
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Yeah.
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Sam Neill could have figured out how to alpha these raptors
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if it's possible.
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I think so too.
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Can't have fucking Chris Pratt.
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Sam Neill's great.
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Yep.
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Anyway, what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is the aforementioned
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we're out of here trip coming up.
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Sure.
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Very exciting.
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We're at the stage of like complete and utter nervousness.
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Yeah, I bet.
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Every, like my wife last night, she had to go let,
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she had to let my, let the dogs out for her moms.
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So she let the dogs out.
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She indeed let the dogs out.
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Shit.
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She had to do that.
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And then she was there all day because then their plane was
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going to land and they were going to make it home
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and they were going to let the dogs out at night.
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So they let the dogs out.
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So they were going to.
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So my wife came home.
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But then their plane had to be redirected because it was
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raining so hard last night.
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So my wife had to drive all the way back down there again
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to let the dogs out at night.
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So she let the dogs out multiple times.
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But it was raining and we're so close to the trip.
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I'm in my head just going like, this would be the time.
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She hydroplanes a little bit and then boom,
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we're in the hospital and no one's going anywhere.
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You know, it's that kind of nervousness before a trip.
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That's a shitty kind of nervousness
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because most of the time you would
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think that it's like, well, the fear is it's going to rain
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a bunch and my travel plans are going to be affected.
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And maybe I'll be delayed or the flight will be canceled
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or something.
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Oh no, but you went with hydroplane.
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Yep, yep, yep, yep.
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No, I never worry about that.
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Once the trip starts, it starts.
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It's going, there's nothing I can do.
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I know for sure that's not true.
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That is true.
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Well, I have traveled with you multiple times.
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Because that wasn't my fault.
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I've had a number of travel experiences with you
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and I think you're great.
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I think you're fun to travel with,
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but chill is not the word I would use.
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Chill's not the best.
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Hey, whatever happens, happens.
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Hey guys, you know what's going on, what's going on.
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It doesn't matter.
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Bullshit.
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Well, I hope everything goes well for your trip.
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I hope you have a good time.
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I'm excited.
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We are.
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And I'm at the stage of preparing for your absence
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where I'm, fuck, I got to get three or four episodes together.
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We got to get this out.
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Scramble.
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Scramble.
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But it's fun, it's fun.
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It's a nice, it's a throwback to
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To the old days.
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Turning the butter.
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Yeah.
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So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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All right.
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We're going to be talking about June 7th to 9th, 2025.
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All right, all right.
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The year of our Lord.
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Mm-hmm.
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And this episode, there's some problems.
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It's hard to, I think there's a couple points
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where I might overstate some things.
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Okay.
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In the course of this episode.
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And I can't not.
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Okay.
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So get ready for that.
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It's going to get said.
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But before we get to this episode,
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let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, I'm the angriest smurfin Rekavic Iceland.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Hey guys, I love the show.
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Shout out from the big news Brzezinski.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And your old pal dog hands.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Now this person has requested the little breaky soundbite
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for the technocrat draw.
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And I'm going to say that I don't have them labeled like that.
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I know you don't.
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So there's a chance.
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Let's hope.
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Yeah.
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We can dream.
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I'm just acknowledging the request was made.
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Yes.
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If you get the correct one, it's a one out of three chance.
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Amazing.
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So we will see.
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But thank you so much to just wanted to shout out my dogs,
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Gus and Maverick.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I have risen above my enemies.
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I might quit tomorrow actually.
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I'm just going to take a little breaky now.
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A little breaky for me.
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And then we're going to come back
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and I'm going to start the show over.
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But I'm the devil.
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I'm not going to be taking over here.
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I'm doing all this.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day,
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fuck you and your new world order
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and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow
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and you never see me again.
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That's really what I want to do.
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I never want to come back here again.
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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday
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that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
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I'll be better tomorrow.
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Nah.
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So listeners at home did not get a chance to see this,
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but I did do a fist bump when the track started playing
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and I realized we got the right one.
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Fantastic.
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It could have gone bad, but you got it.
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I'm telling you that was an educated guess.
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You had a 45% chance, not just a 33.
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I had some feelings.
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I believe that God spoke to me
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and told me which way to go.
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And what time it is.
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It's time to get going.
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So we start off today and the protests in LA have kicked off.
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Great.
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And so Alex is doing a special Saturday episode
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somewhat about the protests.
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But also Elon Musk retracted his statements.
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Yes, he did.
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And so this is another topic that will,
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I think might've driven him to do the episode.
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Okay.
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I've been telling you this for over a year.
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I told you Trump would win.
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I told you he went on a landslide.
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We would overpower the fraud,
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but then they would start claiming
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that Trump was gonna kill migrants
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and that ICE was gonna kill illegal aliens
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at demonstrations.
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And as soon as he was president elect,
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they would start beating the drum.
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And that this summer they would then get violent
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in major cities like Los Angeles, Denver, Seattle,
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Portland, New York, Chicago, Austin.
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And that you would then start seeing attacks
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on Jewish centers, synagogues, museums.
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And then I said, you would then see the illegal aliens
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and their supporters getting violent.
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And that Soros had bought all these
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Spanish speaking radio stations to direct people
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with their inside sources that's now come out
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to go attack ICE.
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And now you saw massive blow ups and riots
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in multiple States, particularly in Los Angeles
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with the illegal aliens and their Democrat Soros handlers
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attacking viciously ICE.
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We also saw it in Minneapolis last week.
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They were on raids to get the kidnapped children
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and they got some.
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You said, well, they put them on the news.
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They're minors.
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They have to process it and charge the people
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and it's happening.
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There they were trying to stop them going
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to get the children being held
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at these different NGO facilities.
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So as we know from listening to this show for years,
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there's always going to be a summer of rage.
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No matter who's in office, the globalist always loved
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to stir things up in the summer and false flag some riots.
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Over the past months, Trump's administration
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has been acting with a brazen impunity
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as it relates to rounding up immigrants
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and assumed immigrants.
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For a while, the media tried to cover stories
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about legal residents being detained and sent to El Salvador
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but it quickly became clear that our current government
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does not care about the press and recognize
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that the media really only has the power
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that they allow them to have.
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People have filed suits but it's also become somewhat clear
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that the Trump administration doesn't really respect courts
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and Congress doesn't seem particularly interested
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in drawing a hard line to rein in their power.
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So it's become an essentially powerless situation.
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At the same time, the wanton abuse carried out by ICE
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has continued and escalated.
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It always felt like this was the likely direction
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things would go with Trump taking office again
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because a major part of his campaign relied
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on stoking xenophobic fears and anger
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while exaggerating the threat that immigrants pose
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to the community.
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When they took office, unsurprisingly,
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there really isn't enough crime being carried out
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by immigrants to justify a massive power grab
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based on a real threat.
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So the White House set out to manufacture that justification.
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As NBC News reported, Trump's deputy chief of staff
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and flagrant bigot Stephen Miller was pissed off
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that the number of unauthorized immigrant arrests
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were too low in May, 2025.
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So he quote,
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berated and threatened to fire senior ICE officials
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if they didn't begin detaining 3000 migrants a day,
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according to two sources who spoke to attendees.
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Miller also threatened to fire leaders of field offices
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posting the bottom 10% of arrest numbers monthly.
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This is basically a recipe for how you get law enforcement
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to start harassing the public.
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You have a set minimum number of arrests
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you're supposed to make regardless of whether or not
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the level of crimes being committed merit that,
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and then on top of that, you create a scenario
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where the lowest performing offices will be punished.
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It's not enough to hit your minimum quota.
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You need to do better than at least 10% of the other offices
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if you want to keep your position.
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When law enforcement is incentivized like this,
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it always results in abuses.
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If an officer needs to give out 10 tickets a day
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and really only encounter six ticket worthy incidents a day,
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then at least four people are going to get bullshit tickets.
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You end up in environments that favor police setting traps,
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engaging in stop and frisk tactics
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and adopting broken windows policing type philosophies.
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The public is pretty gullible
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and it moves slower than you'd like.
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So when this kind of momentum gets going,
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it takes a while for people to realize
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that the police are full of shit
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and solving non-existent problems by shaking everyone down.
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But generally a point is reached
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where people have had enough
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and start to push back against intrusive police tactics
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that are being employed.
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We're not quite at that point yet, but it's beginning.
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And the protests that happened in Los Angeles
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around this time were a sign of beginnings
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of that progression.
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There is a summer of rage warming up.
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So I'm not going to argue with Alex on that point,
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but where I'm going to push back on him
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is the claim that the protests
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are just the work of the globalists
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like Soros paying people to riot.
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People are legitimately mad
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about what law enforcement has become
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and the tactics that they're using
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to round up members of their community.
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It's a sincere outrage.
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And it's an outrage that if properly understood,
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Alex cannot be against.
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The political philosophy he's supposed to hold dear
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is in direct contrast to the police state
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that the Trump administration is bringing in,
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which is why the voice of this and all protests like it
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must be branded as inauthentic.
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These are Soros NGOs doing all this stuff.
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So days prior to this episode,
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there was a confrontation with ICE
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because they showed up to raid a taco restaurant
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in Minneapolis called Las Cuatro Milpas.
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The mayor, Jacob Fry, claimed that police were there
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in relation to a warrant for quote,
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"'Drugs and money laundering.'"
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But folks on the ground were very suspicious
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about the presence of ICE agents on the scene.
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There weren't brutal attacks on the police,
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but one person was arrested for assaulting an officer.
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And in their charging documents,
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it's claimed that the initial raid on Las Cuatro Milpas
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was one of eight that law enforcement carried out
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on various locations that day.
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They had warrants from a judge,
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and these raids were the result of them finding
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900 pounds of crystal meth in a storage unit.
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From the information they've released,
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it appears that the crowd were wrong
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about the pretty reasonable assumption
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that this was an immigration raid
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when it was really part of a larger criminal investigation.
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But this incident does really highlight
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the situation that we're in right now.
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Why was ICE there participating in serving
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a search warrant in this drug case?
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In the current climate, it's very hard not to assume
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that this was an immigration raid
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targeting a Mexican restaurant,
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because that's the kind of stuff that's happening now.
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It would be great if the cops could just tell people,
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this isn't about immigration,
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we're here because we found 900 pounds of meth,
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but at this point, I think that the police
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don't have enough credibility to resolve
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that kind of misunderstanding.
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Involving ICE only deepens the credibility gap,
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and it adds to the confusion.
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It's notable that Alex is bringing this up
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as a specific touch point though,
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because while the majority of attention
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about the anti-ICE protests involved Los Angeles,
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Minneapolis was another flashpoint,
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partially because of this incident,
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and because of memories that we still have
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of the protests in the wake of George Floyd's murder.
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Alex and the folks in his media have been successful
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in branding those protests as riots
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that left multiple cities mostly burned to the ground.
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So it's important for him to do whatever he can
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to associate the current situation
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with images that he's created about that past situation.
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So Minneapolis is being worked in
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when he's talking about LA quite heavily.
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So I think, obviously, a lot of this isn't super surprising
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in terms of the angle that Alex is gonna take on this.
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But it does imply a fundamental betrayal
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of a lot of what he's supposed to believe.
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Yeah.
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Yep. Yep.
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Hard not to just, I mean, that's-
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Done and done. It's a bottom line
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kind of thing. It's like, fuck you, man.
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Done. Boom.
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So like I mentioned at the beginning,
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there's the protest thing going on
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that Alex is coming in on Saturday to talk about,
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but also Elon Musk.
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Sure.
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It's really cool that he has deleted his tweets.
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And so I said, first thing,
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we leave the courtroom at three o'clock,
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and I say, probably a nervous breakdown by Musk.
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And I really appreciate Musk,
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and I know that he's not been appreciated
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or really defended by the administration,
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it's been a big fear of mine that this could happen.
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I'm no Musk MO.
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But now that he's come out, so let's get to this now.
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Now that he's come out last night
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and deleted the tweets attacking Trump,
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that is a retraction, basically.
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Is it? And that's a really good thing.
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Is that how it works?
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Because as I keep hammering
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for really six months intensely,
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if we let the Democrats in the deep state attack Musk
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and destroy him and take down his companies,
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everybody else who isn't even close to him in power
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and intellect of the titans around Trump,
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I mean, let's say Trump's 1,000 feet tall
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politically with power,
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Musk is 500 feet tall,
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the next biggest political muscle,
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money muscle around Trump,
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which is nothing comparable to what the globalists
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can throw with all their collective,
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90 plus percent of the billionaires are against Trump
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and what we're doing,
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the other muscle around Trump are like 20 feet tall.
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I mean, if they target Musk and run him off,
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or hurt him so bad he pulls out,
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does the great job he was doing,
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just judges treatment rights fruits, amazing.
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They go out to the next domino and the next domino,
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like V, but from a bad V perspective,
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when he's, they get Musk, they get it all.
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They get it all.
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They get it all.
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Save the cheerleader, save the world.
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They get Musk, they get it all.
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So what Alex is saying is absolutely not true.
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Trump has wide support among billionaires,
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but leaving that illusion to the side,
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what Alex is expressing is pathetic.
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Elon is rich and powerful and he's doing the things I like.
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Therefore there's nothing he can do
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that we shouldn't make excuses for.
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He's a virulent transphobe
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who lets Nazis run free on Twitter.
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So we have to accept when his feelings get hurt,
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he might allege that the president's a pedophile
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on the social media platform that he owns,
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then delete the tweet later and expect everyone to move on.
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Alex can talk about this shit all he wants,
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but there's no way he can explain to the audience
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why Musk should ever be trusted again.
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In their minds, the information he posted about Trump
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is not true.
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And Alex's explanation for that is that Elon
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posted this untrue stuff to try to hurt Trump
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because he felt like he wasn't appreciated enough.
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Even if you buy this spin,
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Elon's a piece of shit character
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who's gonna do something like this again.
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He's unstable and if you don't stroke his ego enough,
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he'll weaponize the social media site he owns against you.
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And now Alex expects people just to forget
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about this whole thing because he deleted some tweets?
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In this narrative,
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Elon looks like an unhinged dangerous child
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and Alex looks like either a stone cold idiot
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who thinks that the ends justify the means
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or he's a shameless liar
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who wants that dangerous child's money.
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This is not a good look.
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All in all, this is the wrong path to be on
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and the fact that Alex needs to make a choice
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of how to play this is the result of him
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making bad conspiracy decisions many steps back.
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When David Icke assessed that supporting Elon Musk was bad,
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this very situation is part of why that was the right move.
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And Alex really only has himself to blame
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for being in a position where he has to carry water
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for the world's richest dipshit.
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He should have known.
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These are the risks you take.
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Yeah, you know, I wonder if we need to recalibrate
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our understanding of how the future's gonna go
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because this is, so okay, so like take a Greenwald, right?
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Now a Greenwald, back in the day, you're like,
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ah, he's throwing his journalistic credit,
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blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, you do the whole thing.
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But that's because we think that the world
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we're gonna be in is gonna give a shit about that shit.
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But we were way wrong.
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What he did was the right thing,
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which is throw all that shit away
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and stop wasting your time,
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kowtow to the dictator so you don't get, you know,
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and then now he's crushing it.
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Like, I think maybe he made the right move and everybody,
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so we need to recalibrate and say that all journalists
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made the wrong move by not doing that.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess it comes down to what right is.
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You know, like, how do you configure that?
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My take on it is, yeah, you maybe make a good point
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about the Greenwald, but I still don't know
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if that applies to Alex.
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That's fair.
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Because when I say that Alex made the wrong move,
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I mean from a narrative consistency standpoint.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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If he wants to be the thing that he pretends to be,
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which has like, God told me to go on this mission,
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he can't have character inconsistency.
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Yeah.
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Going against Musk was the right thing
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for the character he pretends to be to do.
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And because he didn't, he's now in a situation
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where he has to clean up.
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Yeah.
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It may be ultimately the right decision to make
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because Elon might give him a ton of money at some point.
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So maybe it is the right thing to do on that,
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in that kind of calculus.
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Right.
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But he'll never be able to credibly pretend
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to be the same person again.
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No, no.
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I mean, you know, I wonder how important it is
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to be credibly pretending anymore.
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Maybe not, maybe it's not.
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Maybe it's just if you believe it hard enough.
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Yeah, look, I mean, I accept that my point may be moot.
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No, no, I agree with your point.
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That's where we're at, yeah.
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So look, Trump, he's not in that Epstein file.
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He doesn't like Epstein.
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Yes, but he, what, why are we doing this?
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Well, here's the thing.
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Okay.
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He likes to fuck older women.
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Great, that's what I wanted to hear.
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And I think Alex does too.
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Great.
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I already knew the Epstein thing
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from all the information I know.
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And what's on record
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is that Trump never did anything like that.
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That's not his MO, I know the background,
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I know the women he likes.
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What's off record then?
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See what he likes.
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It's the opposite of pedo once.
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Like big, powerful, by big, I mean intimidating woman.
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I've never been around a woman.
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I mean, really the hotter the woman,
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the less I'm intimidated, most men get intimidated.
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With her, it's like, whoa, it's intimidating.
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It's like, ugh.
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So guys that like flame throwing women,
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I mean, thousand horsepower women aren't into little girls.
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Those are people that are insecure.
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They want power, they're weirdos.
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Cause I know, I like the full thousand horsepower woman.
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You know, that mature, powerful, fire breathing,
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tear your clothes off stuff.
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And so, I mean, I very early figured that out
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when I was a teenager and I was going out
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girls few years older, man.
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I was like, well, this is great.
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Then I went dating college girls when I was like 14.
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I was lucky, I looked a lot older.
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I was like, well, this is a lot better.
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And then I was like, well, wait a minute, I'm 20.
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Now I'm dating 35 year old woman.
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They're in their prime.
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I mean, me about a 35 year old woman, anybody I'll tell you,
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that's the prime right there.
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And then they know how to take care of you
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even a lot better after that.
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You know, the point is, is that, you know,
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I mean, 45 year old woman,
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they're really hitting the peak of their peak.
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But just, you asked how I know this about Trump.
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Roger Stone was his wing man over 40 years.
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That's really what Roger Stone is.
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Hey man, you sound real gross.
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I feel like it's such a strange thing
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to be trying to defend the idea that Trump is a pedophile
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by getting like into a horny conversation
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about you fucking older women as a kid.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So weird.
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Yeah, you know, I kept, here's what I kept imagining
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as I was listening to this
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in order to avoid negative thoughts.
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I kept imagining a giant, one of those,
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one of those like those diggers, you know,
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like the big ones with the like claw thing
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and then they dig into the ground.
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So I imagine that one starting in 1913 or so
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and working nonstop until now.
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And so the hole is just so deep.
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And then I just threw Alex in there.
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I just threw Alex in this 100 year old hole.
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I assume that the machine is still at the bottom.
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See, my thought on what you were saying
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is that Alex is like operating the digger.
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He thinks he's not digging a hole deeper for himself.
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Right, right, no, that would be a good metaphor.
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I was just going pure fantasy.
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I was just enjoying my life.
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I just, I think when you're covering the Epstein story,
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generally speaking, don't get into your fuck stories.
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No, it's great.
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It makes everybody feel happy.
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No.
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Yeah, no.
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No, yep.
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It's gross.
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Yeah, at a sexual assault trial,
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it's always a great idea to talk about
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how you're a Lothario.
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Yeah.
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So Alex keeps talking on some of this kind of sexy talk.
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Great!
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I think there's an implication here
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that he and Rogan fucked.
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Great!
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Yeah, Musk is saying, hmm,
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few things could have convinced me
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to consider my position more than Adam Schiff agreeing
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with me.
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So that's last night.
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So Musk is getting it.
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Is he?
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And he's a maverick.
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He gets pissed.
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I knew when the Democrats came after him
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with censorship and attacks and kidnapped his son
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and he almost died of a heart attack from a COVID shot,
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I said, let him keep messing with him.
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I knew when they started messing with Joe Rogan,
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I knew the inside baseball behind the scenes
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and people still don't know that he has not told anybody.
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But in the last five years, I said,
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my God, just keep attacking Joe, liberals.
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Try to bully him, make him work for them.
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I said, just keep doing it.
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Cause I know Joe for 26 years.
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God, longer.
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I remember when he was 98.
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Been friends since about 99.
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I mean, we've had some fun.
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When I'm back, I wasn't married and he wasn't married.
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We used to go have some fun.
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I've had some fun with Joe.
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Good old red blooded American fun.
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Give Hunter S. Thompson a run for his money.
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I'll just leave it at that.
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But wait, where we're at here is the precipice
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of Valhalla or hell.
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Sure.
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Tell you what, we had a lot of fun.
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We had a lot of fun.
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You know what?
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We wound up in those EPC, oh shit.
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God damn it.
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I forgot.
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I think that Alex's like red blooded American man fun
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is his version of saying like no homo.
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Right, I think.
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Except it makes me more suspicious.
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They probably had like a three way or something.
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Sure, but what red blooded American male
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hasn't Eiffel towered with Joe Rogan?
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Sure.
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Who among us?
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Whomst among us?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He who hath not sinned cast the first stone
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at Joe Rogan's balls.
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Eddie Bravo was watching,
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having theories about how he's got,
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you think that your balls are a sphere.
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They're actually flat.
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They're actually flat balls.
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You got flat balls.
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You got flat balls, let me hit them with a rock,
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I'll show you.
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All right.
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So back to more serious territory,
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Alex gets into discussing how he has saved the world
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from nuclear war.
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Well that's nice.
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I don't wanna be the number one guy.
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I don't wanna be the big target.
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I want you to grow up and get your head in the game
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so we can get this information out
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and I'll retire when I see enough people
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that know how to get this done.
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Because I had to come out and say,
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hey, we don't want World War III.
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Get the message to Trump that his briefers
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aren't telling him about a doubling of attacks
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inside Russia by Ukraine and the NATO group
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and Lindsey Graham over there and all the rest of it.
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And I guarantee you when Trump learns this,
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he isn't gonna escalate some big attack
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and authorize long range attacks in Russia,
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which is full war.
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And then everything I told you came out.
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I was trying to stop a goddamn fucking nuclear war.
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And you lazy, stupid people on the left
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and the fake right and the fake populist
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that just always wanna say they've got the answer
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and they know what's going on and nobody's pure but them.
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And misrepresent Jones is with Putin,
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Jones is spouting Putin stuff.
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I said it a week before Lavrov said,
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we've now learned Trump was given false briefings.
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I said it first.
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I don't get stuff from the Russians.
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They get it from me.
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I'm in command.
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I'm in charge.
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And when I say that out of everybody out there,
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everybody, I'm the most dialed in.
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I have the most answers.
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I have the highest accuracy rate.
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And I don't say that because I'm on a power trip.
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It's the obvious, it's dangerous as hell.
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And I don't wanna be in this position,
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but I've got to be in this position.
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I think that clip gives a perfect glimpse into Alex's mind
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and to fully understand what you're seeing,
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it's important for me to take you back
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a little bit earlier in this episode.
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Alex had just gotten done rambling about Elon Musk
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and a hunting video that Alex remembered
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shooting a long time ago.
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And he said this.
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And so I'm just being completely real everybody today.
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I'm always telling the truth about issues,
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but you know, I'm like, why don't I just really,
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I've done this years ago.
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Why don't I just really be what I'm like?
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This is what I'm really like.
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And by that,
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I love humanity and I love truth and I love justice
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and I love kicking tire tasses.
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I don't want people to pull punches and think about,
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well, I say this, what's gonna happen?
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That clip, I think that whether it's sincere or not,
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Alex is trying to put on the facade of being the real Alex
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on this show.
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And I think that the last clip,
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it really does illustrate an essential piece of the Alex
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that exists inside, that he probably does try to restrain
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because he knows it's nuts.
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I'm specifically talking about the part
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where he's angrily yelling about how he doesn't get
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his talking points from the foreign minister of Russia,
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Sergei Lavrov, Lavrov gets his talking points from Alex.
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This is such a ridiculous thing to say,
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but I think it accurately conveys Alex's sense
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of self importance.
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He gravitates towards flagrant liars like Roger Stone
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and Steve Pachannik, because they're willing to stroke
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that sense of self importance,
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essentially feeding into Alex's need to feel like
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he's decided the course of history.
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Those dudes are using Alex because much like he thinks
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that Elon Musk is a weapon that his team can use
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against the globalists, Alex is a weapon that these folks
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can use against democracy.
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And on some level, I'm pretty sure that Alex understands
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this dynamic and it's intolerable for him to accept,
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which is why that last clip comes into play.
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He has to believe that he's the source of all truth
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in the world because the alternative is to accept
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that he's been duped over and over and over again.
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If I were someone like Lavrov, I would hear Alex say
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that kind of thing and just laugh.
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You wouldn't ever have to give him a dime
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and you could be pretty certain he's never going to be
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a threat to you because Alex believes that your actions
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are an expression of his influence.
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When you do things that he wants you to,
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it's because you listen to Alex.
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When you do things that he doesn't want you to,
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it's because Alex's sagely guidance
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didn't get to you in time.
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By imagining himself as a figure with any power
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in this situation, Alex has captured himself in a net
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where he will have to hurt himself severely
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if he wants to change any of the allegiances
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that he's set up.
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He's trapped largely by this fraudulent belief
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that he's in control.
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I tell the Russians, I'm in control, I'm in charge.
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Yeah, I mean, quite simply the oldest of old,
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old, old truths is maybe just simply people in charge
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never have to say it.
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You don't have to say it.
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Especially that angrily.
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You don't have to.
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If you have to say I'm in charge, you're not.
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You're not.
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Yeah.
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That's the problem.
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It's sad.
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It's a very sad image because there's a,
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when he's yelling I'm in charge,
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what's going on is he's angry at how out of charge he is.
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Yeah, I mean.
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And that's really what's being expressed
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through that anger.
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It is like a film noir in the 40s.
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This is when Humphrey Bogart would slap you in the face.
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Get it together, man.
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Like that's what it would be.
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Yeah.
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Or give you a bottle.
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Yeah.
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Or smash that on your head.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex discusses the need to defend Musk.
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And we heard a bit about this on the last episode.
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Interesting.
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But there's something that he says here
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that I think is super telling.
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Okay.
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The Republican leadership is saying we'll teach you Musk.
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Think you're gonna come in here with Trump
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and help him get his job done?
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We'll just take everything you got away.
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And again, Tesla's 80% of the money.
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But you see what they've done there.
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And you know, oh the media,
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oh Trump's getting rid of his Tesla.
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That's not exactly what he said.
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But this is just really sad folks and really dangerous.
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There's a lot of other powerful people that want to be good
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and want to fight for humanity are watching this.
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And they're going, you know,
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if they do this to Elon Musk, they'll do this to me.
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So I better just sit on the bench over here.
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That clip is short, but it's so key
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to understand Alex's continued support of Musk.
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There are a number of reasons that Alex has given
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for why defending Musk at all costs is important,
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but this is probably closest to the real one.
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Defending Elon Musk is essentially a trial run
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that he thinks he can entice other billionaires
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to support his media operation if he does a good enough job.
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It's almost like a job interview or proof of concept
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that Alex's deeply invested proving can work.
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If this media ecosystem he's built and inspired
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can protect Elon when Elon is acting so flagrantly
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out of control, so transparently corrupt,
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then it could be a pretty useful thing
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for other corrupt billionaires
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who want a media organization to defend them.
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Alex is saying that these other corrupt billionaires
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would love to wade into the waters
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of extreme right-wing activism,
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and they're watching Elon closely to see how supported he is
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by the extreme right-wing media ecosystem.
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If this media space is just gonna turn on Musk
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when times get hard, then how can they possibly trust
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that this media space won't abandon them too?
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Slavish defense of Musk is an investment
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to prove to these other billionaires
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that you'll have their back too.
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Alex came up in a media landscape
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that was all about astroturfing.
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The John Birch Society was a fake grassroots organization
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that was funded by giant manufacturing interests,
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largely to suppress movements aimed at workers' rights
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and other social trends that hurt business interests.
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His family was raised and suckered into that,
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and he took that on as the real version
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of conservative populism.
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In contrast to that was the predominant right-wing media
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that dominated the field that Alex wanted to be in,
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namely radio.
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Folks like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck
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were popular, and they had audiences,
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but their stature was greatly exaggerated
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by giant investments by right-wing billionaires.
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Their radio ads were subsidized
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to allow for much easier national syndication,
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and their profile was boosted by bulk purchase
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of their books to create the illusion
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that they were popular best-selling authors.
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They were given shows on Fox.
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All of this network was essential to elevating them.
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I was a synergy.
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It was all fake, and that was the world
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that Alex began his career in, but he was outside of it.
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He wasn't in the mainstream of billionaires
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propping up his show.
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He wasn't allowed into these reindeer games,
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but he was kind of playing the same game
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just with losers like Ted Anderson.
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So he was doing the same thing,
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pretending to be the complete opposite,
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but really just being a low-rent version.
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Sure, I mean, hey, listen,
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everybody wants to be Dave Mercedes.
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Nobody wants to be Dave's the two used-car lots.
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And that's Alex's two used-car lots.
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Yep.
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So I have a theory, and this is just a theory.
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I wanna stress that.
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Sure.
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It's something I've been feeling for a while, though,
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and the mentality that Alex is expressing
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after the Elon tweet really makes me think
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that there could be something here.
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Months ago, I said on our show
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that I thought someone had maybe told Alex
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to clean up his act, as if he were doing a test run
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for something bigger, like a job
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on a more mainstream network.
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He stopped doing his show wasted or possibly on stimulants.
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He lost a bunch of weight, and overall,
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he tried to make himself much more presentable.
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He's still often saying insane things
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and talking about how God gives him visions,
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but there's less chaos, less hatchet throwing,
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and less storming off the show
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when he just gets in a little bit of a bad mood.
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I don't know if there's anyone who's actually told Alex
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that if he cleaned up, they would consider funding his show,
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but I strongly suspect that someone
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has given Alex that impression.
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It could be a supposed middleman, like Roger,
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saying that if Alex makes himself a little less toxic,
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he could get a show with Mike Lindell.
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Or maybe Tucker has been like,
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you can come be on my network
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if you just cool it a little bit.
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Or maybe there's someone like Rogan explaining to Alex
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that if he plays a little bit of ball,
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there's hundreds of millions of dollars waiting to be had.
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It's there.
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Alex knows that entire media ecosystems are buyable.
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It's the environment that his career started in.
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So my theory is that Alex has been convinced
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that defending Elon Musk is like a trial period
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where he thinks that he's showing other billionaires
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what he can do.
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And this is why the defense is so important.
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It's very close to exactly what he's expressing
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in that clip.
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There's tons of other powerful people
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who are watching us defend or not defend Elon Musk
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deciding whether they want to get involved.
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And getting involved is giving money to Alex.
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That is generally how it works, yeah.
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I don't know, it feels like it fits.
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Yeah, I mean, the problem here is,
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I think probably the problem of any,
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I suppose it's the breakdown of all possible communication
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is that this is the possibility of a spawn con assault.
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You know, like, literally my defense of this guy
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is bought and paid for,
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which makes it so why would I ever believe
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if you were doing it just for free?
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Like, ideologically I'm defending this guy.
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Doesn't matter to me because that guy bought that guy.
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You know what I'm saying?
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So if the spawn con is the same as what you're saying,
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it doesn't matter.
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Yeah, and I think that that's one of the reasons
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that Alex's world is so weird on that front,
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and actually kind of vulnerable to that.
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Because like, okay, yeah, sure, fluoride's in the water,
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and it's all so bad, so you gotta buy water filters.
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Is Alex selling you a water filter
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because he believes that fluoride is killing everybody?
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Or is that a convenient part of his narratives
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because he has a water filter salesperson?
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I know we've seen a lot more talk about economic stuff
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and the financial collapse that's coming
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when he has an active gold sponsor.
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So like, I don't know.
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What is authentic to the belief and what is spawn con?
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Alex's show is almost like a perfect place
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where those two things become identical.
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Right, right.
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I mean, I think the concept originally was,
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I believe the fluoride, while I'm here,
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I might as well make some money off of this belief.
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Maybe.
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You know, like that concept of,
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if I'm doing this and the end result is people need this,
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then they might as well get it from me.
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Sure.
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Now it feels like the opposite is true,
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where the water filter guy is coming to you
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and saying for $10,000,
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you will believe that fluoride is killing people.
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No, I mean, in 2010, Alex was certainly promoting
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sea moss so much.
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Sure.
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I certainly hear a lot of ads for bone broth these days.
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Well, everybody needs broth in their bones.
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Yeah, I don't,
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I think that you've touched on something
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that is really essential to why Alex would be
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like a attractive thing to somebody.
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Sure.
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That would, because the spawn con element of it
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is so insidious.
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Yeah.
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By design, by the format of the show,
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that the audience is kind of a newer to it.
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Yeah, it renders it meaning.
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Everything is spawn con and nothing is spawn con.
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It renders it meaningless.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Trump, you know that guy?
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I've heard of him.
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He does not get presidential briefings anymore
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because they're all bullshit.
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Fair enough.
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There's no level of bigger BS.
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That's why Trump doesn't really take the briefings anymore
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because he knows it's bull,
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but then he's only watching Fox News.
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He watches this show sometimes and others,
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but I mean, he calls it the clips that give him clips.
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You know, Barron shows him or Don Jr.
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And you know, we can get him on the phone too
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and Roger talks to him almost every day, but
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it's just, it's very serious.
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Very, very dangerous, obviously.
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So that is massive, massive news.
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Now let's go to something good.
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Tash Patel did.
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And they're doing a lot of good.
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But when he does something bad and tries to tell us
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Jeffrey Epstein killed himself and it's open and shut
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or the crooks acted alone, we know that's not true
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because they've seen the file.
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You got to talk about it and that's coming up.
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But Patel breakthrough, we found,
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that means they've raided Fauci's phone and hard drive
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from early days of COVID.
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So Alex can't praise Tash Patel for something good
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he's doing when he's also engaged in an elaborate conspiracy
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to cover up the death of Jeffrey Epstein.
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Alex is in a war between God and the devil.
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There's no gray area where the FBI director gets to be
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kind of good, kind of bad,
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depending on how Alex wants to tell a story.
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If Tash Patel doesn't have the courage to tell the truth
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about Jeffrey Epstein, then he doesn't have the integrity
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to be in the position of heading the FBI.
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It doesn't matter how much Fauci related red meat
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he can throw to the right wing media.
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His complicity with the Epstein coverup is complicity
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with the devil, according to Alex.
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It's not that he has a different position
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on the Epstein case from Alex.
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It's that he knows the truth and is willfully covering it up
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in order to protect the devil.
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If what Alex is saying is supposed to be taken seriously
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at all, then Patel releasing some Fauci stuff
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is actually a negative because that information is tainted
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by being connected to him,
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the guy who's covering shit up for the devil.
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This is the problem with this black and white character
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stuff, you know, like it's just, you can't.
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People are more complicated than that
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and God and devil stuff doesn't allow for it.
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I mean, by virtue of releasing Fauci and not Epstein,
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then you are rendering the Fauci stuff a distraction
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from the Epstein stuff, which means you should be madder
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for releasing the Fauci stuff.
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You should, and I think that choosing the venue
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of going on Joe Rogan's show to discuss this Fauci stuff
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should make you think, oh, if this is a distraction,
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then Joe is the perfect place for the FBI
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to do a distraction.
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I mean, yeah.
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Oh, weird.
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It should all fall apart instantaneously.
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Yeah.
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So Alex plays a clip of Patel on Rogan's show.
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And that's the best advice.
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You know, real friends, people that care about you
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will tell you when you're doing something bad.
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And I said three weeks ago,
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they're coming out and pushing all this bull,
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the crook's acting alone and Epstein killed himself
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and all this, nobody's buying it.
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And Rogan didn't buy it.
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But this is really, really, really good news.
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So here is Patel on Rogan talking about Fauci.
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Fox News Alert, Cash Patel may have just uncovered
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the Holy grail of coverups.
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They had always been looking for Fauci's original phone
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and, or not original, but phones and devices he used
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while he was Fauci back in Trump on during COVID.
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And nobody had found it till two days ago.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Now look, your audience and everybody listening to it
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is like, it shouldn't jump to the conclusion.
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Everything's in there.
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We'll look at it.
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We'll pull it, we'll rip it as we say.
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And maybe it's deleted, maybe it's not.
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But at least we found it.
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So Alex is playing a clip of Jesse Waters' show on Fox
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who is playing a clip of Cash Patel on Rogan.
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This is a good illustration of what lazy shitheads
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these people are.
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But I want to really zoom in
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on what we're listening to there.
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This is the director of the FBI appearing as a guest
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on Joe Rogan's podcast, discussing alleged evidence
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that he's uncovered related to Fauci's actions
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in terms of the COVID pandemic.
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It's not clear if there's an actual investigation
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that this is a part of.
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And if it is, then this is the FBI director
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gossiping on a podcast about evidence
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that hasn't been made public.
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Further, this is the director of the FBI saying,
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we found Fauci's hard drives,
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but I'm not going to tell you what's on them.
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This is him revealing a blank slate for Rogan
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and his audience to draw whatever conspiracies on they want.
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This is conspiracy baiting.
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On top of that, Patel, in his capacity as the FBI director,
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is saying that a possible reason that this evidence
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won't end up proving all their COVID conspiracies
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is that Fauci may have already erased stuff from them.
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This is providing a preemptive explanation
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for why this evidence proves the conspiracy,
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even if it doesn't.
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Yeah.
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It's almost impressive how unsuspicious Alex is
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about this interview's existence, its contents.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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This is such an indictment of his fake character.
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Yeah.
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You know, it was a good respite we had
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because you almost forget, right?
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Those first four Trump years,
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it was the most horrifying thing that ever happened,
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but then the end would be yackety sacks
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and everybody would be running around like,
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doo, doo, doo, you know?
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This is objectively a horrifying thing that Kash Patel,
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just being on Rogan is objectively horrifying,
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but he's also this.
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He's also a wacky idiot.
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What is happening?
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The only way for this to be acceptable
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as a thing that happens would have to be
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that Rogan burns his ass.
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I mean, literally burns his ass.
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Holds his feet to the fire about all kinds of things,
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not letting him, like Rogan would have to prepare like crazy
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in order to do this interview responsibly.
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I don't think either party would be willing to do that
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or is even up to it.
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But yeah, the fact that this exists is like,
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it's like yackety sacks, but like off tune.
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Yeah.
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It's just wrong.
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I mean, and it's so, like just be,
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oh, will anybody at the FBI ever help
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be accountable for all this?
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No?
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Okay, well then we're ending the interview, goodbye.
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Yeah.
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What are we doing?
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We're wasting our time.
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Well, I've got the FBI director in here, hits the blunt.
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Right.
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My friend Eddie would like to ask you about the world
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and my balls being flat.
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Yep.
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Yep, great.
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Cool, we got it.
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We're doing it.
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So we get back to the conversation about the LA protests.
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Sure.
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And Alex loves what the cops are doing.
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Again, the Democrats war gamed in August of 2020
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that if Trump won, they were unable to steal it.
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They were gonna activate illegal alien
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and black lives matter and Islamic riots around the country,
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have blue cities and blue states secede
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and cause a civil war in America.
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And then when Trump, they were able to steal it,
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they put that on ice.
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Then when they knew he was gonna win
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because the poll numbers were so powerful,
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they began to hype, well, if he gets in,
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he's gonna kill the migrants.
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Tom Homan's gonna mow them down.
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They would never do that.
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But they're gonna elicit riots.
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You know, these mayors and governors saying
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they're gonna do it, Colorado, you name it, Illinois,
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the mayor in Chicago and the governor.
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And then the last piece is, well, they'll provide
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the false flag to mow down the illegals.
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And I said, they'll also start killing Jews and stuff
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to get the heat up there.
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Sure, gotta heat that up.
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Well, now thousands of people descended in LA
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and attacked the ICE headquarters, attacked police,
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attacked everybody else for hours,
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knowing the police would finally have to respond.
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And when the local police and the feds responded,
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they then jumped on their cars.
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They then attacked them trying to get somebody hurt.
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And then the leftist media went, oh my God,
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a man died when he was run over by ICE.
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The guy jumps on the van.
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He wasn't even hurt.
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He walks off.
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But that's just them, again,
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classic Black Lives Matter thing,
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trying to get everybody angry to get riots going.
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That eternal had to be documents for decades,
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like that's what they do.
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So it's pretty easy to see that Alex supports
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the police response in the LA protest.
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At this point, there was a car set on fire in Compton
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and people had thrown some stuff at cops,
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which Trump and the folks in that media
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were calling lawless rioting.
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The situation was exaggerated greatly.
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And in response to the threat the protest supposedly had,
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Trump federalized the National Guard,
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even though the governor of California said no.
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In discussing this situation,
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Alex hasn't even brought that aspect of this up yet.
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And this is supposed to be a major issue for him.
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He spent entire days of his life
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yelling about how presidents can't federalize
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the National Guard,
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even in the context of national disasters,
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unless explicitly asked to by the state's governor.
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That's one of the biggest indications of a police state
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being put on the public,
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when the federal government assumes control
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over these entities like the National Guard.
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When Alex is doing this episode,
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Trump hadn't yet said in the literal Marines,
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but it shouldn't matter.
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Where things stand now should be so far past
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what Alex can accept.
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And we clearly see that he doesn't just accept it,
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he supports it.
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He can rationalize this shit
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by pointing to fake Soros Antifa contracts
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that one of his employees found on 4chan,
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but it doesn't change the fact that Alex Jones
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built a career pretending to be an expert
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on the police state,
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only to support some of the clearest police state actions
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of our lifetimes.
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And I need to be totally clear about this.
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Trump called in the National Guard
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against the wishes of California's governor
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and LA's mayor, and then sent in Marines.
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The governor filed suit against the Trump administration,
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and the court found Trump's actions to be illegal.
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This decision was appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court
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in a case that's still pending.
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In this appeal, Trump's lawyers have argued
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that courts cannot review the president's deployment
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of troops on US soil.
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Brett Shoemate, the lawyer for Trump's DOJ,
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was asked if the president were to send in troops
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and given no justification for why they did so,
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he replied, quote, there's no role for the court to play
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in reviewing that decision.
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This is a government that's asserting some terrifying power
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and framing it in very irresponsible ways.
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For instance, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem
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said that Trump was sending in these forces
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to quote, liberate the city from the socialists.
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We all know better, and the person who most knows better
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is Alex Jones.
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He's made millions of dollars
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and created multiple documentaries, fear-mongering
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about the very actions he's eagerly supporting now.
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Pretending that some protesters deserve being treated
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like they're in a police state
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doesn't let you then endorse a police state.
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And I hope, like honestly, the only thing I can wish for
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is that he actually is tortured by his conscience.
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That's maybe my only hope that I have in life now
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is that he actually recognizes what a piece of shit he is.
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Yeah, yeah, good luck with that.
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Yeah, I'll have to make peace with that probably not being
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the outcome.
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That's the problem.
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But this is fucked up.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep, it's fucked up.
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I don't know, like I don't, I don't say, why say things?
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The things that I say will make people mad now,
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but then, you know, in a couple years,
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they'll forget that I said them and they'll say them
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and it'll be fine.
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Maybe.
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And then we'll just move on.
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Maybe.
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Nothing I say, I'm good.
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Would you like to record something that I will cut out
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and play in two years?
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Um, I don't know, we'll see.
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So the issue here is that the protests,
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they're going to lead to a false flag.
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Yeah.
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There's going to be some kind of a big shooting
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that makes it so Trump has to bring in the National Guard,
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which he's already done.
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And yeah, so that's coming.
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They're gearing up for this ever.
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They're promising these different dates later in the month
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and next month to go totally ape.
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It's already started.
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As the summer cranks up towards somebody in a manga hat,
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somebody in a van, somebody in a parking garage,
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shooting a bunch of them,
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and then that person conveniently gets killed.
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And then they're a Trump supporter.
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They're an Alex Jones supporter.
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They're an Elon supporter.
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You're, it's all pre-baked.
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I've been telling you it was just moves
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because the Democrats war gamed it and said they do this.
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And when they say out of a clear blue sky,
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Trump's going to kill migrants.
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ICE is going to mow them down at a protest.
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I said over and over again, the last six months,
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I said, ICE is not rating these demonstrations
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because they're traps.
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They're getting them at work sites, bars, their houses,
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all of it, airports, bus terminals.
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And they're scaling up the amount of enforcers they've got
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because that had all been cut down to almost nothing.
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And they had a fake right-wing bitch
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that oh, they're not really doing anything.
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That was all a lie.
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So they're attacking from the left and the controlled right.
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And I said, then they're going to get so violent
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in these cities like LA, like Denver, like Chicago,
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I picked those, that then when they got to come out,
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they'll try to provocateur something.
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And then as these get bigger,
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then they're going to roll out
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the white supremacist mental patient
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they've got ready to attack,
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or they can't get one to do it.
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They'll do it themselves.
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And then just kill some young punk.
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And they got a background on it.
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They've been tracking and say he did it.
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And you got all these leftist videos of them in Minnesota
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attacking the ICE and any feds they see get attacked.
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And they try to do raids on kidnapped kids
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and they're being attacked in Minneapolis,
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Chicago, everywhere.
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Here you can see Alex doing his preemptive damage control
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where he calls any potential violence
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someone on his side might carry out a false flag.
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You might also notice that again,
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he's mentioning Minneapolis,
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which might become relevant a little bit down the road.
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But this is, you know, boilerplate-ish for Alex.
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Like he understands that there's a lot of people
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on his side who probably want to kill some people
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and that would look bad.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, I guess also just like, you know,
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more of a background it's okay than in the past.
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So not as much of like a, hey everybody.
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Like sometimes in the past, there's been an underground,
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like don't do this.
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Yeah.
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I'm telling you that this is a false flag.
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So you don't do this.
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Yeah, yeah, for real.
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For real guys.
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Yeah.
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It'll be terrible if they make you do, you know,
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like that kind of thing.
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And now this is very much like, hey man,
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they're gonna, they're just gonna false flag people.
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You can.
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There's, I totally agree with you.
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And it's a very difficult thing to exactly put into words.
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So I'm glad that you sort of touched on that
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because it is almost like a let's get on with it.
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Yeah.
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The feeling that he has is more, let's get on with it.
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Gets a false flag going already.
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We know, we know, we know.
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As opposed to sometimes in the past where it's like,
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I'm actually kind of worried about this false flag
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happening, I don't want you to bomb a church.
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Right.
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I mean, I don't want them to bomb a church.
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Through you, you.
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I don't want you because of them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I think that he's kind of eager.
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Well.
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Anyway, there was that protester who got hit by a car.
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Sure.
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And Alex is saying that the media said he was dead.
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Let's play a clip two and then let's play
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the other clip of what actually happens
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where the guy jumps on the car
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and falls off in his urn.
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But then in the news and out of the other groups,
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oh, a protester who tried to block an ICSE from leaving
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with illegals was run over and died of brain death.
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He died of brain death.
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He died of brain death.
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He's dead.
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But he's not dead.
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In fact, let's just go to that now.
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Here he is getting up, being fine.
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So this headline that Alex is reading
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about the protester dying of quote brain death
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isn't from any media outlet.
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It's just a tweet from an account called Voz USA
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whose bio says quote, thought provoking news,
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views and analysis, proud to be conservative and Hispanic.
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Alex can't pretend that the media is lying
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and saying this guy is dead when all he's responding to
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is a random post on social media.
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This isn't even shooting fish in a barrel.
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It's standing next to a barrel.
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This is ridiculous.
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Like this is the guy who's pretending
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that Vladimir Putin takes his cues from him
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and he's getting mad at a fucking tweet.
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And then just like spiraling outward from there,
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being like, this is everybody.
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This dumb tweet from this guy.
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Right.
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It's a random account that in their bio says
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conservative and Hispanic.
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And Alex is saying this is what the Dems are saying.
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This is what they're doing.
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And then the vans came.
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Once the vans came, when we were in commercial break,
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they loaded everybody into the vans.
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I suppose that they were arresting
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and then they pulled them away.
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So that was the guy, I guess he's okay,
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but he's up and at it.
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All right, boy, what a day here.
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Well, according to the Democrats, he's dead.
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Show.
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Or this Twitter account.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, like we've just entered
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like this kind of strange world
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where it doesn't matter who said what.
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Yeah.
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Like Alex can just take this account
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and put those words, apply them to Antifa
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or the Democrats or socialists or Soros.
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It doesn't fucking matter.
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Nothing is real.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I wonder how much of it, you know,
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is like real stuff is still real.
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You know, like people, real stuff is still real.
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Should be.
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But now there's just a flavor
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that everybody chooses to lay on top of it.
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You know, like, is this so much that we need to worry
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about people believing exactly this shit
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or is this just like, they already believe in nonsense.
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So this is their flavor of it.
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I mean, I don't know.
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This is crazy.
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It's crazy.
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Well, the things-
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Dan, it's crazy.
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It is pretty crazy.
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It's crazy.
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The things that are real are real.
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You know, and-
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Are they real?
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Yes.
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And as much as like ICE is raiding workplaces,
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let's say.
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And rounding people up and who knows
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what kind of rights are being respected
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and this is, right.
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Yeah.
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This is shit.
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That's real.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And Alex is putting this fake version on top of it
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in order to make sure that people don't get mad
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about the real thing that's happening.
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Sure.
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So this attributing like, oh, this protester got hit
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by a car and he's dead.
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The Dems are saying that is meant to prime you
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and make sure that you as an audience member
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never believes anything that you hear from quote unquote,
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untrustworthy sources like the Dems or whatever.
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So if you hear about atrocities and abuses being carried out
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against these people, that's fucking just the Dems.
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They lied about that guy who got hit by a car.
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Classic.
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Classic Dems.
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So there is real still.
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Sure.
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But then there's also this.
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Yeah.
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And it is crazy.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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So who do you think, you know,
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like who's the real victims here?
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Ooh, I'm probably gonna go with straight white men
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and especially the ones with a lot of money.
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Yeah, more or less.
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Okay.
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ICE.
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Yeah.
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So if you read all the headlines,
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you'd think ICE just attacked.
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ICE is attacking, brutalizing the poor illegal aliens.
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They're attacking them.
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They're attacking their cars.
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They're attacking their bodies.
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They're threatening to kill them.
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Santa will blow your head off and play those clips.
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Last week, all over the country.
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I'm gonna shoot you.
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I'm gonna shoot you all in the head.
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And then it turns into ICE is attacking everyone.
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You don't hate the corporate media enough.
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Unbelievable.
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Union president on 44 arrested in Los Angeles ICE raids.
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Agents use military style force
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against protesters at LA immigration rate.
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Oh my gosh.
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Everyone's so concerned, fear, outrage
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over the evil military attack.
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Let me show you hours of them
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attacking the police and others.
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Meanwhile, Kilmar Garcia has now been officially charged
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in massive human trafficking for MS-13,
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the poor little angel.
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Go back to like Alex's earlier career
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and imagine him doing that mocking voice
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about police using military tactics.
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It's fucking insane.
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Yep.
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So we've already talked about this,
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but what Alex is talking about is that Obrego Garcia,
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he was pulled over for speeding in Tennessee in 2022
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with nine people in his car.
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There's no evidence that he was human trafficking
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and was let go with a warning
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because it appears that they was heading to a work site.
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After Obrego Garcia was wrongly deported to El Salvador,
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the courts ruled that Trump had to return him
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to the United States.
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Trump said he couldn't do it
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and then the Supreme Court ruled
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that it was unquestionably illegal
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for them to have sent him there
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and that he needed to be returned.
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There was a specific order from a judge
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that he not be sent to El Salvador
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because that's where he fled from
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because his life was at risk as a child
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from the gangs and shit there.
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So deporting him to there was specifically forbidden.
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Right.
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Some people might think that it's possible
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that the pressing of these human smuggling charges
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on this guy now that he's been brought back
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to the United States is a bit of a face saving measure
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on the part of the Trump administration,
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but I don't know what the truth of the case is.
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Obrego Garcia pled not guilty
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and I haven't seen any particularly swaying evidence
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that he is guilty, but I guess the government's word
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is good enough for Alex these days.
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No more of that insisting everyone's innocent
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until proven guilty.
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I mean. Fuck it.
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I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter if he's guilty or not, it doesn't matter.
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We'll talk about that in two years.
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I mean, I think we will.
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Dan, I think we will.
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So someone who we hopefully won't be talking about
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in two years is Alex's fill in host
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for the Sunday night show.
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So we're jumping to the eighth.
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Alex is off and he has Chase filling in.
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And so Chase has his take on the National Guard deployment.
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Okay.
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Also, I want to deposit right there.
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As soon as I turned on this episode and it was,
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I wish you were here, I'm like, Alex isn't here.
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He's not playing this.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen,
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welcome to the Alex Jones show.
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I am Chase Geiser, your host for the next four hours.
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Obviously a lot of amazing things have taken place
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over the course of the last few days.
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Basically Los Angeles is on fire.
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An all out New World Order globalist assault
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on one of our major cities here
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in the United States of America.
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Trump has unleashed the National Guard onto Los Angeles.
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I'm told that they're at least,
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in at least three locations,
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as many as 2000 troops are to be deployed
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to restore order in the region.
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And Gavin Newsom is standing back and whining
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about this massive federal violation of state's rights.
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So I suppose in the mind of these leftists
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and the Gavin Newsom's and others,
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it would be better that we allow
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our major cities to totally burn to the ground.
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These guys just need to admit that they were lying
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when they said they cared about state's rights
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because their current shit is incompatible
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with the beliefs that they're supposed to have.
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For one thing, LA wasn't on fire.
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This is dramatic bullshit meant
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to justify Trump's overreaction,
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and Chase knows exactly what part he's playing in this game.
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He exaggerates the situation to create the appearance
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that Trump had no choice,
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and his violation of principles
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that Infowars is supposed to hold sacred,
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that's actually an act of heroism.
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You don't want Trump to federalize the National Guard?
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What, do you want LA to continue to burn to the ground?
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If there are instances where this sacred principle
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is violatable, then it's not a sacred principle,
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and you all were full of shit.
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Yep.
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These folks just want raw power
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and the exercise of that power over their enemies.
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When their enemies are in office,
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any single thing they do is a violation
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of the sacred contract that is the Constitution.
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If the Obama administration wants to run drills
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to practice interagency coordination
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during natural disasters,
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that's FEMA plotting to put all of Alex's friends
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into camps, and it is unacceptable.
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The Constitution is super important,
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and everything is a violation of it
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because in that environment,
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Alex and his team are playing from a very weak position.
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They hold no power,
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and their only real play is to constantly point
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to the rule book and demand that their enemies play
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by the letter of their interpretation of the law.
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But now Alex's team is in a very strong position.
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Arguably, they have all of the power in the country,
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and it's Alex's job to justify the use of that power.
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The rule book really isn't important anymore
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because it actually never was.
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The Constitution has served its purpose for Alex,
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and it would really only get in the way at this point.
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Don't expect him to be circulating any petitions
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to reassert the 10th Amendment anytime soon.
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That part of his career is fucking over.
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Yeah.
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Garbage.
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Yeah, this one sucks.
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This one, they've absolutely defeated the minds
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of so many people on cities.
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They just don't understand.
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My dad emailed me about some protest,
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and he's like, be careful.
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And in the explanation of the protest,
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it's like there's a thousand people.
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And I can't, to my dad, that's a lot of people.
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But to be like, oh, a thousand people are doing thing
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in Chicago is like, who fucking cares?
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Fine, go have fun.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, especially.
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There's no danger.
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Yeah, especially if there's a protest
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that's maybe in Millennium Park or something like that.
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And that's downtown that's not gonna be near your house.
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And we don't have to go on Lakeshore Drive,
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so even if they shut down Lakeshore Drive,
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your dad has no conception of how unimpeded.
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No clue.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, just no idea that 99% of people in Chicago
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had no idea that it was even happening.
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Yeah, even if the protests were about something
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that you disagreed with,
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there's not really all that much way.
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It's fine.
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Y'all have fun.
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But to them, cities are an instant away from just Tinder.
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And it's like, no one really cares, man.
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Everything is soaked in gasoline and just ready to go up.
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And I think that honestly,
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the reason for that is social media,
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because videos circulate of tiny little things
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where like a car gets set on fire
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or somebody punches somebody
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and that comes to characterize like the entire city.
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Two million people in Chicago are all punching each other.
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Yeah, you can't get some people to understand scale
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if they just don't have an experience with it.
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Like how can you understand
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two million people being in a block?
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It's impossible to understand if you've never been there.
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Well, it's also like a two-sided thing
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where you have the inability to really understand scale.
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And then on the other side of it,
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the bombardment of the out of scale videos
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on social media and memes and stuff.
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Yeah, it's coming at you both ways.
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They work together.
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So Chase is pretty into the police state, it turns out.
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Sure, why not?
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I think this guy.
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Why not?
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And in less than 24 hours
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after unleashing the National Guard on the city,
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the troops are ready and deployed
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and order is being restored.
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But we've seen mob after mob, car burning after car burning,
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brick thrown after brick thrown,
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even protesters being run over,
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not because of any brutality from ICE,
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but because of their own just recklessness and violence
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and celebration of chaos.
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I remember time and time again
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during the presidential primaries for this campaign
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when the Nikki Haley's were running.
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We heard the same rhetoric from the left and the right,
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the right that was opposed to Donald Trump.
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We heard that he was the chaos candidate.
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And now that he's finally restoring order
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in the United States of America,
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finally dealing with the fact that we have sponsored
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an invasion over the course of the last four years
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of our very own country,
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our very own political class sponsoring this invasion,
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now we are seeing what has to be done to rectify the issue.
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Now it is proven that there are sleeper cells
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to the tune of hundreds or thousands or even millions
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within the United States of America
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that can be activated by these NGOs
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and folks it is coordinated.
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This is not some spontaneous reaction
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to animosity toward ICE
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because they raided a Home Depot in California.
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This is just an excuse being used by the left to loot.
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I mean, why is it that they had to deploy
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the National Guard to the fashion district
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of Los Angeles first?
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The fashion district.
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Because this is an excuse to steal Nike's.
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It's an excuse to steal designer clothing.
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So we're gonna be getting into all the latest.
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I'm pretty shocked by Chase's eagerness
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to support the police state.
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Like he's not being subtle about this shit at all.
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He's just straight up saying,
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bring in the troops to maintain order.
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Yep.
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Like this is pretty crazy.
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You know, sometimes I think about like,
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what if I had a time machine?
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What would I do with it?
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And every now and again, I have this terrible thought
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like thinking about how things are now.
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I'm like, if I go back to this,
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have you no decency, sir, time period,
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I could rule this fucking world.
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Have you no decency?
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You better believe I don't have decency.
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Fuck no.
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And then they just crumble.
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Like this is what happens.
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This is what they were really after.
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Yeah.
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McCarthy, you gotta go further, man.
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I think that, yeah.
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I mean, like the civility is a lie
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and it's a flimsy illusion that we've constructed
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our society out of.
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But it is real and it does work.
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Sure.
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It just turns out that some people can hack it.
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I mean, yeah.
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So I don't understand fully
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what this story is supposed to be.
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Like, is there a sleeper cell of organized rioters
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or just people wanting to steal shoes?
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I'm not supposed,
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I don't know what I'm supposed to be afraid of.
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Like, is there terrorism or theft?
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I don't care if Nike's not doing well.
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Sure.
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You know, I'm not on their team.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if Chase knows what the fashion district is,
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but it's not like the high-end fashion area in LA.
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It used to be called the Garment District,
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but some business owners came up with the idea
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to change the name in the 90s
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as a part of trying to revitalize the neighborhood.
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This isn't like Rodeo Drive or Melrose.
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It's the name fashion in the district.
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It sounds posh, but it's not really.
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No, it's a French, it's a whole thing.
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Yeah.
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The reason that there were protests in the fashion district
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is because it's mostly a wholesale retailer area.
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There are shops and stuff,
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but a lot of the businesses there are warehouses
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for apparel companies,
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and ICE began raiding some of these companies.
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For instance, according to In These Times,
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roughly two dozen garment workers were detained
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at an ambiance apparel warehouse,
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which led to the president of the SEIU California,
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David Huerta, coming to the warehouse to see what was up,
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and then ICE arrested him.
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This is the president
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of the Service Employees International Union,
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and he came to check on what's going on with these workers,
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and ICE arrested him.
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So when Chase is being like,
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why is it in the fashion district?
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That's because there's a warehouse.
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Yeah.
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This is what that district is, not,
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huh, what an asshole.
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Yeah, you know what's always fun about this is like,
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it would make sense if you genuinely believe
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that this is the way to accomplish what you want
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out of like an anti-immigration thing,
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which is more home grown employment,
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yada, yada, yada, yada, right?
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If it was really about that,
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and you really believed that doing this
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would accomplish that,
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then you would keep track.
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You would have numbers, you would know,
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you would have like, okay,
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well, we've got this many job openings now
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because we deported these people.
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So boom, let's come follow up next month.
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Are you hiring people?
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You would do these things so that later,
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three years, four years from now,
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whenever stuff comes up again, you could be like,
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I know you think it's wrong,
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but at the very least it works.
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Here's data.
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But the thing is, it doesn't even work.
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No.
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Nope.
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Yeah, it is telling.
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Yep.
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So Chase is a fucking idiot.
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Yep.
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Um, I've danced around this a little bit
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and I will be the first person to admit
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that I was drawn in by his Brendan-like charm.
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Sure.
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This dude is a stone cold fucking dumb dumb.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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And we can experience that in his new revelation
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about the Jeffrey Epstein, Kaush Patel situation.
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Now at first as somebody who considers himself
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an info warrior, after all I do work for Info Wars.
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I am a host sometimes on Info Wars.
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My first inclination was, oh my goodness,
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there are no heroes left.
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Even Bongino and Kaush Patel sold out.
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But I'm sending clips of Bongino and Patel
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to people that I know in the space.
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I'm not gonna say their names
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because I want to protect their reputation.
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Who are known experts on body language interpretation.
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And I'm saying, hey, what do you think of this clip?
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What is the draw from this clip?
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And my friend responds,
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somebody who's been involved in interrogations,
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getting information from serious violent criminals
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for an extended period of time,
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dealing with psychopaths for an extended period of time,
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testifying as an expert,
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appearing on major television shows and speaking events,
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talking about body language
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and how you can tell if someone's lying or not.
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He says, look, I was just as shocked as you are,
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but I don't see any indication
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that either Bongino or Kaush Patel are lying in this clip.
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And I've been studying them very closely.
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I'm very familiar with their baseline.
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I don't know what's going on here,
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but it's something other than lying.
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Possession.
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And I start looking at this
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and then I watch this conversation that took place between
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Kaush Patel and Joe Rogan.
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And I like Kaush.
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In fact, I think that his girlfriend went to my college.
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I think she started going there the year that I graduated.
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That's why.
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What?
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And I like Bongino.
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Why?
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And I've seen Bongino cry about when his mother died.
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That's why.
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And I believe him and I don't think it's a front or a fake.
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And a lot of the people that have worked with him
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have worked with them for a very long time,
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which is a good indication of positive character.
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Is it?
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Lot of turnover at Info Wars.
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And it just occurred to me yesterday
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while I was watching Alex Jones
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do a Saturday transmission on at AJN Live on X.
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It occurred to me, oh my gosh,
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they probably came in to the FBI,
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immediately looked at the Epstein files.
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Don't do this.
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And then we're told or realized
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that Jeffrey Epstein is in witness protection.
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And so now they have to push the narrative
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that he killed himself in order to protect the fact
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that there's some greater goal to be accomplished
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with WITPRO.
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I post something about this
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and it absolutely blows up on X.
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And in the replies, I just see so much evidence of this.
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And frankly, I'm not somebody who had investigated
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the Jeffrey Epstein stuff abundantly.
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I'm somebody who'd looked at it.
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You're not?
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You're on Info Wars, buddy.
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Yep.
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So he's fundamentally very, very stupid.
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Yeah.
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Chase's premise here is that he consulted
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with a friend of his who knows body language,
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who watched Bongino and Patel
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talking about how Epstein killed himself
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and said they're not lying.
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This is a really tough pill to swallow
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because Bongino and Patel are supposed to be Trump guys.
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And all the Trump guys are supposed to think
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that Epstein was murdered.
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Therefore they must be lying.
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And he had this body language friend said they weren't.
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So there has to be another explanation.
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Chase thinks about it for a while
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and he has this revelation while watching Alex's dumb show.
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What if Epstein is in witness protection?
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Now here's why Chase is stupid.
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If Bongino and Patel know that Epstein
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is in witness protection,
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then they would still be lying
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when they told everyone that Epstein killed himself.
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Patel literally said, quote,
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you know a suicide when you see one
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and that's what this is.
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Bongino said, quote, he killed himself.
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You want me to get, I've seen the whole file.
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He killed himself.
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What Chase has done is he's introduced
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a non sequitur into his storyline.
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People are basically debating whether A or B is true.
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A is that Epstein killed himself
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and B is that he did not.
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Alex and all his media buddies are insistent on B
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but Bongino and Patel are saying A.
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It's possible that they're lying when they say A
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but that means that you'd have to treat them as conspirators
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and eventually that means you'd have to treat Trump
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as an active participant in this coverup
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so that is not a good option.
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Plus the body language guy says they're not lying
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about believing A.
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So Chase is saying, what about C?
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C isn't even on the table in the conversation
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and if you think about it for just a second,
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it's actually already contained as a subset of B.
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It's inside B.
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It's not a new option.
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If Epstein is in witness protection,
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that means he didn't kill himself
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and the story of the suicide is a coverup.
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He can't have killed himself if he is not dead.
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Right.
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Rule number one of not having killed yourself.
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Right, so A or B and your answer is C
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but C is actually B.
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Yeah, it's still B.
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So dumb.
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It's still B.
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Also, it really should be obvious to Chase
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that if he pursues this line of reasoning too far,
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he's gonna end up saying that Epstein's a hero
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in this story.
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I get why Chase wants to sound interesting
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and why it's really uncomfortable as an idea to say
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that Bongino and Patel are lying
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but Chase doesn't understand the implications
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of the things that he's suggesting.
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This is what I'm talking about
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when I say that he's a good first step guy
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but his shit falls apart really fast
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if you take a second to think about it
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and the Infowar is so based on not needing
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like real examination of the ideas that you put forth.
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Yeah.
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But this is just fucking dumb.
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Okay, so I don't know if they do this anymore
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because it's been a long time
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since I've actually sat down and read a newspaper
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but they used to have a daily astrology thing.
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True, horoscopes.
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Every day they'd be like,
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hey, you were born here so this will probably happen
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and they did that every day.
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And I was always like, ah, that's fucking stupid
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because of course it is.
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But now I'm thinking about it.
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Maybe that was like a nice little release valve
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for people to believe in bullshit
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without hurting themselves.
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Believe in nonsense like astrology
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and read your thing every day
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and you'll be like, maybe stuff good will happen to me.
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But when we stop just allowing people
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to believe dumb nonsense that doesn't hurt them,
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then look at what happens.
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Do you think that no one is into horoscopes anymore?
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I think horoscopes are gone completely.
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Okay, you're wrong.
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Is this not true?
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Yeah, you're wrong.
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Oh shit, well then I'm in trouble.
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People just don't read the newspaper as much.
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Do you think comic strips are gone?
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No.
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Okay.
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Other things that were in the newspaper?
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Do you think box scores are gone for-
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I don't know if people have words or letters anymore.
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Is that still available to us?
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Okay, well I knew it.
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Unfortunately that's an automatopoeia.
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So that would be able to,
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you should write that down with letters.
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So yes, letters still exist.
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All right.
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So Chase is a idiot.
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Yeah.
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He's created a non-solution solution to this issue.
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And he, I hate this guy.
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And I started looking into the Witness Protection Program
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that exists both here in the United States of America
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as well as the Israeli one.
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And they'll do things like plastic surgery
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and change the way that you look
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so that you can hide in plain sight
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basically anywhere in the world that you need to
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in order to protect your identity.
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And then you look into the fact
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that he had Saudi Arabian passports
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with different names on them.
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And he was traveling all over the world
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and he had multiple passports
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from the United States of America.
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And it's just all so bizarre.
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And then this week, Alan Dershowitz is coming out
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and saying that Ghislaine Maxwell should be pardoned
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because she was just as much a victim
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of Jeffrey Epstein as anybody else.
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Dersh, still got it.
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He's calling for the pardon
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of perhaps the only person in the world
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that was important to Jeffrey Epstein
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in the context of the fact that they're coming out
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and pushing that Jeffrey Epstein actually killed himself.
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And we know it's abundantly unlikely
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that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
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Oh, he's in Witness Protection.
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And maybe part of the deal was that Ghislaine would get out
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and be reunited with him somewhere else.
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Why?
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What?
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Even cat turd posted.
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And I know there was some controversy with cat turd
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this week.
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Cat turd is a good man.
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Cat turd's a good man.
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I believe cat turd is a good man.
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I believe cat turd is a good man
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and you have dragged his name through the mud, sir.
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Senator.
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Senator, do I have you on the record
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that cat turd is a good man?
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What the fuck kind of romantic comedy ass plot is?
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He tried to spin about Jeffrey Epstein.
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Even if even one one hundredth of anything
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that he believes is true,
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it still makes more sense for the government
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to just murder him.
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You bet.
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It would be insane to do half of any of that for him.
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Also, big piece of news for you.
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Not suspicious that Alan Dershowitz is calling
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for Ghislaine Maxwell to be.
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Not at all suspicious.
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He is alleged to be one of Epstein's clients.
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Yeah, he would be very much on that list.
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Yeah.
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You don't need an elaborate explanation on this one.
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It's pretty simple.
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He's a creep.
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I can't stress this enough about everybody
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who is saying they should not release the Epstein files.
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They are in the Epstein files.
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The end.
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Well, and I think that we're even a little bit guilty of this
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not being on the Epstein files.
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We're not.
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But with the branding of that name,
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I really, I think that the media has done a bad job of that.
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And I've been self conscious about it
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when I've said the Epstein files.
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Sure.
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As if it's like a thing.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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A real like discreet concrete thing.
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Right, right, right.
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There's no safe with a little black book
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that has everybody who has ever been at Epstein.
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I understand that concept.
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But like the general idea that was getting across is
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if you are a person who's like,
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hey, we don't need to share any more information
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about Epstein.
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It's because that information is about you.
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There's a strong possibility.
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It's not definite.
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I can see a couple of other possible explanations
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that are a little bit crazy about like,
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oh, global instability, blah, blah, blah.
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Whatever you like.
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I could see a couple of long shots.
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Sure.
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Generally speaking, I think you're right.
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I think it's probably nothing to see here means
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something to see here.
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Safe batting average, I've guessed it,
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if that was the bet.
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So Chase sucks, he's boring.
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And so we're going to go to the ninth now.
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And this is day four of the Soros riots
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that threatened to destroy Los Angeles.
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We're going into day four of the publicly funded
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Democrat and deep state Soros uprisings,
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the documents, the funding numbers,
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whose funding and how they're running it is all public.
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We also have Democrat leaders, senators, Congresspeople,
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mayors saying, oh, we run the rapid response force to ICE.
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The communist mayor said, oh no, we are deploying.
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The city directs these people.
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Meanwhile, you have the backdrop of new scum
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and the rest of them, Senator Murphy and others saying,
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this is totally peaceful.
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Not mostly peaceful.
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They're calling it totally normal.
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Illegal aliens running around, burning everything down
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in communists and looting stores and beating and stabbing
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and trying to kill police, raining rocks down on them.
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And you know what's coming next.
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You know, it's all in the Podesta battle plan.
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Somebody's going to mow down a bunch of them
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and they're going to blame ICE.
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The bullets will come from behind the police
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from a high rise or apartment complex
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or a parking garage or out of a van.
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They'll be found dead at Trump's supporter.
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It's all been scripted, all been prepared.
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And I have compilations of myself in the last six months
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saying specifically, probably in LA,
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probably in June.
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Good for you.
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So don't think, this is all boilerplate standard.
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This is what Alex does.
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But the one thing I wanted to point out from that clip
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is he's saying that the mayor has alerts
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for the people to go and protest.
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She was in a press conference and was talking about
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how citizens have a rapid alert system that they've created.
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It's not that the government runs it
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and alerts people through it.
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It's just a reality of solidarity that exists among people
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that people show up to protests
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because they've created these networks of early warning.
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Yeah.
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And so Alex is trying to say that the city and the state
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run these in order to do flash mobs of inauthentic
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or paid protesters.
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And that's not what she says.
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But it's something that Alex repeats a lot.
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It would be nice if there were an enterprising city official
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who's very interested in keeping everybody safe,
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especially ICE agents.
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And so they let everybody know where the ICE agents were
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at all times.
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There was a government service that just alerted everybody
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to, hey, there are ICE agents nearby at any time.
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That way they stay safe.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Mm-hmm.
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I think this is a good idea.
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The ICE agents keep them safe?
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Yes, we have to keep the ICE agents safe.
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So everyone should know where they are at all times.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's an interesting suggestion.
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Yeah, I think it would be a good idea.
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So this is what we've got on our hands, real insurrection.
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This is basically shit's going down.
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Boy, we're a ways away.
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No, no, no.
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No, no, no.
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Long ways away.
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No, no, no.
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Such a real, it's, oh God, it's happening.
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This is real insurrection.
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This is real criminal uprising by the Democratic Party
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with their plan to create nationwide chaos.
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This is just the trigger.
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And then launch it nationwide.
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And now we have Senator Murphy and others saying
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this is the beginning.
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They want nationwide uprisings.
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And it's already happening in Houston and Minneapolis
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and Seattle and Chicago.
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Feds going anywhere, even on drug raids,
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are being overwhelmed and attacked.
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Crowds come up and say, we're going to murder you.
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We're going to shoot you in the head
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and start throwing bottles at them.
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And the feds evacuate.
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Been showing you this for two weeks.
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And I told you, this is the buildup.
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This is the escalation.
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Antifa taking over campuses.
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All these attacks.
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How did we know exactly what would happen?
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Getting chills right now.
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It's going to be a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible
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because John Podesta, in August of 2020,
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said if Trump was able to win the election and they couldn't
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steal it, the big article in The New York Times
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that they had war gamed, nationwide uprisings,
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blue cities and states all seceding and forming
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their new government.
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Saul, that's not true.
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But Alex talks about John Podesta's alleged plan
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all the time.
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But I would guarantee that he doesn't even remember
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basic details about that story.
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For instance, what was the name of the group
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that Podesta was working with?
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Do you think he knows?
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Gun to his head, I bet Alex couldn't remember it
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or name any other participants because all that mattered
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was Podesta.
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He'd already become a huge conspiracy world figure
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because of Pizzagate.
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So including other figures would really
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be over-complicating things for the audience.
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It would.
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You know how it is with ensemble casts.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, when you're adapting a novel, a lot of the times
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you'll condense characters.
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Maybe you'll take two or three people
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and that'll just become one person.
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You know, it'll happen.
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This takes me back to Jurassic Park.
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The plays are timed.
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Hey, there we go.
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So this was the Transition Integrity Project.
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And their full report is easily available
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if you want to go read it.
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Alex is just making shit up because he
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wants to incite his audience to view anti-ice protests
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as part of the globalist plot to launch a civil war.
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Then maybe one of them will actually go shoot some people.
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So Alex can call it a false flag.
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And Trump can use that as a justification
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to just militarily take over the blue states that
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are such a hassle.
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Sure.
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Yeah, this whole Podesta plan thing is half cooked.
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OK, so if I'm drafting our secession, all right,
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obviously we're taking Illinois.
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Are we doing the snake style?
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Absolutely.
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So we're doing Illinois.
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So wait, is it you and me or is it you and Trump?
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Oh, that's a good question.
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See, because I don't want everybody.
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Let's split it up, all right?
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Best of four.
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Who gets four best geographically nearby states?
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What?
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That's what I'm saying.
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OK, all right.
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How are we doing this draft?
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All right, you know what?
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Never mind.
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I'm undoing it.
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OK.
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We're undoing this draft.
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I can't work out that.
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I thought you and I were just going to draft states.
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No, because in my head, it wasn't like a split 50-50 kind
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of thing, and then I realized that's
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where it was going to fall apart.
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I don't want to draft that many states.
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But you said you would take Illinois first.
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I would take Illinois first.
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What I'm saying is I'll take about four states.
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I'm going to fill in the role of Trump.
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I take Texas.
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All right, I'll take Minnesota.
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And let me be clear, I only took Texas defensively.
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Yeah.
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I did that because I didn't want you to be able to capture it.
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No, you know what?
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Here's what we'll do.
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I'll take the Great Lakes, and then I'm out.
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You can't take the lakes.
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I'll take the lakes.
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Aren't they part owned by Canada?
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Mine.
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Mine now.
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Do you mean the Great Lakes states?
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Yeah, let's throw it all in there.
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Give me a big circle around the Great Lakes.
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We're going to get rid of the state lines.
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We're going to get rid of it.
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I'm just going to draw a big circle around it.
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It'll be the Great Lakesistan.
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That's what I'm going with.
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Great.
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Why do you get to do that?
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I thought it was one state at a time.
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I know.
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This draft idea didn't work out.
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Right.
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I don't like it.
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If you're playing risk, if you can just say,
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I'll take a bunch of these countries to begin with.
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But see, that's what you war for.
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The war is to make your own lines.
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Eventually.
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But the starting position that we,
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look, it's going to be inconvenient.
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Maybe I end up with Michigan.
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Sure.
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But we got to go one at a time.
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I don't know.
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It's going to be tough.
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Risk in just the United States would be a dark game.
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Like if they got rid of all the other countries
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and just the map was just the United States.
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What's the Irkutsk of states?
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What would that be?
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Well, the I-80, right?
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As it goes through.
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Sure.
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Yep.
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So Alex talks a bit about the LA situation.
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Police were overwhelmed.
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Sure.
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Meanwhile, the police say they're completely overwhelmed.
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And now in many cities around LA,
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they're saying we are not going to help.
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We are going to stand out.
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This is it.
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Remember they control the blue cities.
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It's going to hit Austin.
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It's going to hit Dallas.
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It's going to hit everywhere.
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Almost every city is controlled by them with their DAs
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and their people in control.
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Our own reporter was killed by anti-America pro-Metularaza
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Mexican supremacist and a blacks man who said
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he loved killing the white man.
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That's how bad this is.
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Where I sit.
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The crime rates tripled since the communists
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took over Austin five years ago.
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The mayor, the DA, all of them.
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Actual avowed Marxist.
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So the police in LA were pretty clear
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that they could handle the situation
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and they did indeed federal help.
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The governor is literally suing Trump
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for calling in the National Guard against his wishes,
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which pretty perfectly sums up the dynamic that played out.
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There's a protest locally in LA
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that has a couple of hotspots
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and that the police can handle.
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Videos of these hotspots circulate on social media
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and then the right wing pundits start sensationalizing them.
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They create the appearance that LA is on fire
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by pretending that the things captured
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in the little hotspot videos represent
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what it's like all over the city.
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And this false appearance gives Trump a justification
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to send in troops to quell this rebellion
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that doesn't really exist.
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The authorities on the ground and the state
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can tell Trump's folks, we don't need your help,
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but everyone can see these social media videos
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and the drumbeat narrative put in place
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by the right wing media is that it's complete chaos
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everywhere in LA.
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Of course they need Trump's help.
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And if they're saying that they don't,
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that must be proof that they're secretly
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trying to help the rioters.
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Also the crime rate in Austin hasn't tripled
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and the people in office aren't avowed Marxists.
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Alex's employee, Jamie White,
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was killed outside his home on March 9th.
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Since we last discussed this story,
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there have been some arrests in the case.
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A 17 year old named Eloy Camarillo
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has been charged in the case.
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And according to Fox Austin,
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he admitted that he was part of a group
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that wanted to steal Jamie's car and joy ride it
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and then shot Jamie when he caught them in the act.
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Another 17 year old and two 15 year olds
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were also arrested.
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All the stuff, other stuff there about being anti-American,
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matcha la raza, Mexican supremacists,
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that's all coming from Alex's imagination.
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The kernel of information that he's working with,
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that is true, is that there was a rap song
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that was reportedly found on one of the suspect's phones
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that included the lyric, quote,
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white boy came outside, hit his damn ass with a nine.
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And it's interesting because he is white boy
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in the sense that he is a white person.
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Right.
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But his name is also white.
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Oh, that's right.
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Right. I hadn't considered that.
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So. Oh yeah.
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There is an open. It's a double entendre.
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There's an open question if this is actually about his race.
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Yeah.
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Or if it's more of a direct call out of, I shot this guy.
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Yeah. I mean.
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Either way, not a great thing to put into a song.
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Boy, you know, it's been a long time
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since I've run up on some crackers in city hall,
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but what are you going to do, Dead Prez?
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Look, these people are also 17 and 15.
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Is it awful?
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No.
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It's an awful situation.
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And you know, it's not Mexican supremacists.
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This is not what Alex wants to make of it is not there.
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It's tragic.
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Wherever you think Jamie might wind up after his life.
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Do you think at the end of it,
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he's looking at Alex now going like,
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yeah, you get him buddy.
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I think you're a good guy.
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I would imagine.
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I hope not.
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I hope not.
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Crazy.
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Alex plays a bit of a compilation of himself
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predicting false flags.
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Right now, let's go to a short compilation.
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It's actually long, I'll play a few minutes of it.
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I'm going back over six months and through to today
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of me laying out exactly what is happening now
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and the final piece, the mass shooting or truck bombing.
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And they like a mass shooting,
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but because they can blame guns as well then,
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but they may go with a truck bomb
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because a smaller Merc team can do it,
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or you can even have a two man Merc team do it
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and then use a driverless truck to roll it in
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and they'll put a dead body of a
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MAGA person that they've drugged
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and taken over their identity.
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And then of course they'll find the ID and stuff
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in the bomb wreckage.
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So that's the secondary attack.
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The third attack profile is a mass shooting or bombing
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of a black church or college.
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They pre-program that.
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You've been warned.
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We're not playing games here.
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There's a reason they want me off the air
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because I got their number.
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I got their ass.
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It's what I do.
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So none of those things have happened.
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There haven't been mass shootings at the protests
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except police firing less than lethal things
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at protesters or gas canisters.
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There haven't been any truck bombs deployed.
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Alex is playing a compilation of him predicting something
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that hasn't happened and insisting that everyone needs
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to treat him like he's a psychic.
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As it happens, a few days after this,
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there was a pretty big shooting,
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but it didn't go down like any of the scenarios
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that Alex described.
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So his psychicness might be a little bit off.
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So there's gonna be a uprising.
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Sure.
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That Alex is talking about.
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And you might see some things.
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Okay.
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And you should not be worried about them.
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Okay, nice.
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Because people deserve it.
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Oh, good.
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And they've got it set for this weekend
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as the start of the nationwide uprising,
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the Democrat party groups, the anti-food coalition say,
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and then not this weekend,
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but the next one is the big one they're saying.
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All this scripted, all this prepared.
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So we're talking about 13 days from now
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in the latter part of June is when this is gonna go
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absolutely next level.
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And they've already triggered these NGOs.
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They've already given them their orders.
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And so it's very hard to pull this back.
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And of course you have the illegal aliens and others
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bringing their children wrapped in Mexican flags
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to the violent mob riots, insurrections
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and using them as human shields.
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So they can then put that all over
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the Spanish speaking media
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and wave the bloody shirt to cause more rage.
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If you have any deductive understanding or any logic,
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anybody bringing their child in a stroller
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to a burning city mob is a criminal in my view,
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great on disgusting, cowardly activity.
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So this is a fun short circuiting
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that Alex is demanding his audience
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do to their own empathy.
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If you see a bloody baby,
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your first reaction is probably gonna be one
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of concern and pain.
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After all, this is the network that pretends to be obsessed
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with saving imaginary kidnapped children.
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But you have to understand that the baby deserves
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whatever happened because their parents are only trying
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to use them to garner sympathy.
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And if you feel for this,
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then you're playing into their hands.
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You are, you're gonna lose.
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This is disgusting shit.
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Hey, that one's like scarily textbook though.
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They're like, wow, doing the whole thing.
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If they're there with a baby,
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that's a criminal as far as I'm concerned.
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What?
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Okay.
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Shoot him, who gives a shit?
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I don't wanna be the guy who brings up 1984 now.
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I don't wanna be that guy.
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Nah.
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I've not even done it once.
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We've listened to this man talk about 1984 all the time.
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And then he does that.
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All right.
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He's cool.
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Yeah, he seems cool.
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Consistent and not a liar.
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No.
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So look, this is Democrats.
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Keep talking about wanting to fight.
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Sure.
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I really feel like they don't.
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Well, I think Evan Newsom's probably
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made some comments lately.
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I'm sure he has.
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Wants to fight.
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Yeah.
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Not like the Patriots.
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The Patriots don't do that kind of stuff.
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They don't talk about fighting.
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No.
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And I have all these clubs,
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I'll play them here coming up.
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Democrat leaders, senators, mayors, you name it,
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praising it.
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And Governor Newsom,
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about what a evil man Trump is.
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And come get me, Tom Homan.
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Come get me.
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As he brags that it's all a big sanctuary state
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to protect this lawless activity.
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That's what Governor Murphy said.
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He goes, I got illegal aliens living with me.
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Come get me.
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I'm a human smuggler.
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Come get me.
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The mayor of Denver, we're gonna have uprisings.
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We're gonna physically block ICE when they come in here.
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Mayor of Chicago, we're gonna fight you.
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The view.
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You're ready to fight and die.
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Oh no, it's not calls for violence or anything.
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Trump said go to the Capitol peacefully
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and protest peacefully on January 6th,
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but they banned him on Twitter and everywhere
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so he couldn't be seen saying that.
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He put the videos up, they took them down.
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Is Alex really tone policing the Democrats
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about using terms like fight?
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This is silly, but more to the point,
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it has to come off as very un-alpha
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to his alphanous obsessed audience.
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Alex screams about how he's in a war
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and he longs for the sweet embrace
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of fighting constantly on the show.
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So if you're a listener, it should come off
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as really weak for him to be this sensitive
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about comments from Democrats.
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Plus, Alex sells shirts with Trump on them
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that say fight, fight, fight.
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And just before January 6th popped off,
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Trump said in his speech, quote,
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and we fight, we fight like hell.
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If you don't fight like hell,
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you're not gonna have a country anymore.
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Two sentences later, he told the crowd
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to go down to the Capitol so they could help
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the Republicans, quote, try to give them
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the kind of pride and boldness they need
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to take back our country.
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So my point is that Alex can cut this shit right out.
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But also, that he needs to put on his big boy pants.
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If he wants to live in a world where he gets
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to spend full segments of his show
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pornographicly describing violence he wants
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to carry out against people like Brian Stelter,
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then he needs to suck it up and not be such a snowflake
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when other people are using the word fight.
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It makes him come off like a loser little titty baby.
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And come on, man, buck up.
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I listened to him describe like viscera
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coming out of human beings faces and or bellies, et cetera.
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That he caused.
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That he forced out using physical violence.
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I'm good with the word fight, I'll live.
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Calm down.
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Also, it should be fairly easy to note
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that if you're not afraid of using the word fight,
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but you are very interested in using the words
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everybody be peaceful, you're probably lying.
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Yeah.
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So we get to a clip from Newsom.
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Yeah.
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Cause he's like, hey, come and get it.
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Sure.
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Let's go, let's rumble.
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He's very strong.
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And then this clip is just kind of confusing.
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Here's Governor Newsom openly trying to foment rebellion.
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Get your hands off these poor people
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who are just trying to get, live their lives, man.
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Trying to live their lives, paying their taxes,
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been here 10 years.
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The fear, the horror, the hell is this guy?
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Come after me, arrest me.
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Let's just get it over with.
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Tough guy.
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You know, I don't give a damn.
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But I care about my community.
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I care about this community.
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The hell are they doing?
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These guys need to grow up.
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They need to stop.
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And we need to push back.
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And I'm sorry to be so clear, but that kind of bloviating
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is exhausting.
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So Tom, arrest me.
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Let's go.
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The perception is that a mob of four young men, two adults,
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two juveniles, three Hispanic, one black,
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executed our reporter in March for no reason.
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They've now been indicted capital murder.
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The reported shooter created a rap song
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bragging how he killed the white man.
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The others, we've learned, are Mitchell-Araza types
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that wear Mexican flags and Mexican masks and hate America.
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But now you look at the statistics
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of the illegal alien gangs feeding
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on everybody in this country and the crime waves.
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And just since they rounded up the TDA and MS-13 in Denver
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in the last six months, they've had a 60% increase
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in homicide.
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It's happening all over the place.
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I have no idea what Gavin Newsom is supposed
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to do with Jamie White's murder, which happened in Texas
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or Denver homicide rates.
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But I guess this is all really just an expression
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of Alex's xenophobia.
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So it is connected.
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All this is one story.
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There's no publicly available information
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about two of the people arrested in White's case
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because they're 15 years old.
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Alex is taking advantage of that fact
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that the police, they can't release information
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on juveniles.
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So you can just make a list of the people
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so you can just make up whatever picture of them
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that he wants.
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And that other guy did record a rap lyric that I mentioned.
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But it's hard to say if it was a racial thing.
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He said, quote, White boy came outside.
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It could be a reference to his name.
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Like, presumably, the guy who shot him
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would have seen a news story and been able to figure out
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Jamie White's name.
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So it seems like double entendre is possible.
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Who knows?
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As for Denver, their homicide and violent crime rates
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have dropped in the last year.
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The problem with Alex's explanation
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is that they've been dropping every year since 2020.
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So Trump's terrorizing immigrants
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isn't what's driving that drop.
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In many places, crimes increased in the aftermath of COVID,
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which makes sense.
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As time has gone on, the rates are dropping back
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to pre-pandemic levels.
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And Alex is playing a fun game where
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he pretends that moving towards a white nationalist state
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is really what's behind dropping crime when it's really
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recovery from COVID.
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Yeah, he's just doing lynching talk.
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Yep.
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So we got a guy on the show.
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Alex was supposed to have Mike Flynn on,
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but his plane didn't land on time or something.
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So Alex has another guest on.
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And this guy, here, you know who he is.
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OK, OK.
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But I know him as the guy with a mustache.
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And I realize that you probably don't even know that he's
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got a big old mustache.
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He's a guy who's obsessed with race wars, a fellow
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by the name of Matt Bracken.
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Oh, OK.
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Matt Bracken has been focused on this for decades.
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Incredible brain on this, former Navy SEAL.
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I can't think of anybody better other than General Flynn
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to break down this.
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I know he's got my analysis points on this.
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I want to get his snapshot in the five minutes
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we have left.
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We're doing a whole hour with him coming up
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and going through all of this and the latest developments.
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But Matt, quantifying where are we right now?
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What do you expect to happen next?
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What should we be looking out for?
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Dave.
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We've only seen the kickoff, literally.
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We just saw the kickoff in the first play of the game.
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And the rest is going to happen.
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It's going to unfold.
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There's no putting this genie in the bottle.
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The genie is out.
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And it's not going back in.
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There are people in the Southwest, Southern California,
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who have been planning and waiting for this for decades.
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And they see this as like a Stalingrad.
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This is a do or die.
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They are going to continue this.
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If they are pushed off of one highway,
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they're just going to atomize and go into smaller cells
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and continue the anarchy, arson attacks, things like that.
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It's sort of like a puddle of mercury.
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If you have one big blob of mercury
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and you hit it with a hammer, you
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don't get rid of the mercury.
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You just split it into 1,000 little pieces of mercury.
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And that's what's going to happen
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when the National Guard confronts these guys.
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They're just going to move a few blocks away and start
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setting garages and empty cars on fire.
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So we'll get the pictures of arson attacks all night.
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This is going to escalate for sure.
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So you got to contain it like mercury?
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I don't know.
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So Alex choosing to have Matt Bracken on here
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is an intentional inflammatory move.
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Matt Bracken is a man who's obsessed with the idea
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that a race war is inevitable.
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And he's someone who's prone to speaking pretty irresponsibly.
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For example, on December 31, 2020,
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he took to Alex's show to advocate that Patriots stormed
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the Capitol on January 6, which went on
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to happen about a week later.
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This was really suspicious.
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And the connection this implied between Alex and foreknowledge
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about what his friends like Stuart Rhodes and Enrique
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Tarrio, as well as his former employee Joe Biggs,
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were planning to do that day was way too strong.
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Alex had to bench Bracken and pretend
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not to know him for a while until that whole thing blew
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over, and now I guess it's safe to have him back on again.
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Yeah, we're good.
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But he's a good hand in terms of civil unrest situations.
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He's going to overdramatize everything,
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and the story will always have that racial undertone
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that Alex's audience craves.
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One of Bracken's big points on this show
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is that Hispanic people in the LAPD
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can't be trusted to not be loyal to the protesters,
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and there's going to be a civil war within the police that
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breaks down on ethnic lines.
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Cool.
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This dude is a fucking mess.
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That makes sense.
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So I think that it's a bad move to have him on,
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because Alex is a guy who takes on some
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of the characteristics of the people around him.
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And so when you have a guy who's like,
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there's going to be fires overnight.
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This is just starting.
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They've been planning this for decades.
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Alex is going to ride that momentum.
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All right, I'm going to make this announcement here,
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and I'm sure they'll have the corporate fact checker
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say it's not true because it hasn't been officially
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said by somebody.
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You remember going back when President Trump was
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president-elect and Biden started
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the authorization of massive heavy missile
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attacks inside Russia.
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I said, within a week, Russia will say we're basically
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in World War III with the US.
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You would see other leaders say that,
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and actually three days later, they did say that.
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And we're in a war with Russia.
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You know, the New York Times a few months ago
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finally admitted that and said the US ran the whole thing.
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And two weeks ago, you had the US envoy, General Kellogg,
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say, look, we were in a proxy war.
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We've been officially, you know, unofficially at war
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with Russia and this needs to stop.
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So when I make this announcement, I'm making it first.
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The second American Civil War has started.
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You can mark it today.
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And it is the globalist and the internationalist
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and the BlackRock, ChaiCom, radical Islamic,
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communist, NGO alliance that's losing its power worldwide,
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but now it wants to grab control of pieces of the US.
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And then totally open the door up to turn us
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into their new third world base.
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And then you have sane people in Europe, the United States,
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the UK, Australia, New Zealand,
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trying to get our governments back
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and trying to bring back basic civilization
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and new process and freedom.
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And Trump is the leader of that worldwide movement,
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1776 Worldwide.
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And people need to learn the players
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and learn what we're up against,
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or we're gonna continue to have escalating crises and war.
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This is completely insane.
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What does Alex think his audience will hear
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when he says that the Civil War has begun?
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How can this not mean that it's time to start shooting?
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Yep.
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And why are there so many countries involved
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in your Civil War?
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Is this some kind of globalist thing?
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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No idea.
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This rhetoric is insanely dangerous
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and it plays hand in hand
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with Alex's preemptive damage control
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about calling all shootings that might happen
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against protesters a false flag.
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With one hand, he's insisting that the globalists
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are about to pull a false flag at a protest.
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And with the other hand, he's telling everyone
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that the war is on and it's time to shoot.
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There's no excuse I can think of
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to send this kind of messaging in tandem,
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except if you're interested in inciting people
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towards committing acts of domestic terror,
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because you feel like you've laid the groundwork
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to where you could blame it on your enemies
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and use that terror you stoked
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to add to your own political power.
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I'm sure that at some other point,
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Alex has said that a Civil War has started
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and it's happening, but this feels unique.
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Like this, mark the day the Civil War has started.
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Sure.
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That's like a guy saying,
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I see the whites in their eyes, go ahead and shoot.
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Yeah, I mean.
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It's crazy.
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I wouldn't be, I would prefer if I was to hear somebody
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saying like, ah, the Civil War has begun.
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I would prefer it if that was a person
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who was on the team that did not have any guns,
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as opposed to the one with a lot of guns,
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many of which are unregistered.
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Yeah, I think I would, I'd never,
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I'm never thrilled to hear someone say the Civil War.
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Sure, no, that's fair, that's fair.
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Regardless of how many guns they have,
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I'm not thrilled about it.
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So this is the wrong guest to have on
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while you're talking about how the Civil War has started.
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Might be a little bit off.
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Because Matt Bracken fucking loves that shit.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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And so he gets into how the information war
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is like really the most important thing right now
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for the Civil War.
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We're going to have to have this very,
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the info war is going to be key here
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because it's going to, people will have to understand
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this is an invasion and whether it's an invasion
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like Normandy or whether it's an invasion of stealth
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where the fighters are brought across under Biden
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and in 10 or 20 million to get their weapons
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once they're here, it's still an invasion.
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And the guarantee clause of the constitution
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gives the president not only the right
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but the responsibility to repel an invasion.
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And the Alien Removal Act, which is on the books,
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also gives them the right to deport anybody,
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any foreigner over the, any foreign male
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over the age of 15 who prevents a threat.
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You're gone.
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It's right in the Alien Removal Act.
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It doesn't require a declared war.
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It can, there's the or clause in the Alien Removal Act
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which is basically, you know, widens it wide open
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where they could, they will use it today.
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So the key thing is not to blunder in their heavy
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and you know, like you conquer Baghdad, but then what?
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Right?
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The key is going to be preparing the ground
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in the information war so that people clearly understand
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who the traitors are.
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The traitors are the ones who are helping the invaders.
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Period.
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And let's be clear, let's be clear.
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We've been building for decades.
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You've been warning, I've been warning, I'm getting chills.
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Smart people that are patriots in the government know this.
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Trump understands it.
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Stephen Miller understands it.
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Tom Homan understands it.
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But everybody, the police and the military
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and then the citizens and everybody,
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this is it people.
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You think they're going to let us just take our country back
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and turn the economy back on and do all this stuff?
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No, this is the big globalist move.
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This is it.
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Matt, explain it to them.
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I can't really count the number of times Alex has said,
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this is the big one, the globalists are making their move.
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But this still does feel somewhat different
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because it's in the context of a civil war
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that Alex has declared as started.
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If the civil war is started
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and the globalists are making their big move,
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there's literally no other message you should take
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if you take Alex seriously,
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then now is the time to shoot people.
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Matt Bracken is right on here that sending in tanks
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and a huge display of force into LA
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would be counterproductive.
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And what they really need to do
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is more thoroughly demonize immigrants
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so they can start accusing people
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who support immigrant rights of being traitors.
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As it stands now, they can really only use
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this authoritarian push to detain and deport non-citizens.
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But if you're able to radicalize things to the point
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where even the act of standing up for immigrants
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is traitorous to the United States,
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you can disappear whoever you want.
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Matt Bracken is giving great advice here
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on how to create a police state
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and facilitate a campaign of ethnic cleansing
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in the United States.
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So a good conversation.
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Yeah, you know, it is kind of interesting
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when you think about it.
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There was, you know, there's a blueprint
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for how to make the blacklists of the communists
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and, you know, get them out of here,
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make sure that they never get work.
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But because nobody actually stopped it
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and it was just kind of like, I don't know,
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a bunch of idiots, there's no blueprint for how to stop it.
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So yeah, so yeah, it's just gonna go on
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and we just have to hope that they're stupid.
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Yeah, blah, blah, blah.
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You know, like, cause Bracken-
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I ran out of letters.
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Cause Bracken raises an interesting point
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that is in actuality very, very stupid.
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But he was like, oh, they've been planning this for years.
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And what's interesting about that is
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what is their plan?
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If they have been planning this for years,
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as far as I understand,
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Bracken's understanding of their plan,
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it was have fuel available, right?
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Like that does not take years to plan.
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No, and to the extent that there is anything
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that has been planned,
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it's we've talked a lot of shit for a long time
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and insisted that eventually whites would be under attack.
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Sure.
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So that's what they've prepared.
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That's about it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I just think this is trash.
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I'm disgusted by the direction that this has gone
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and it's only going to get worse.
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I believe that.
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So look forward to that.
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So FEMA camps.
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Sure.
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How do you think Alex feels about those?
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Based on our eight years of doing this podcast,
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what's Alex's take on FEMA camps?
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Who's faming whose camps?
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Just in general, just give me a vibe.
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All things are transactional.
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My answer is-
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SpawnCon.
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Your answer is supposed to be strongly opposed.
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You would think, but maybe that was SpawnCon.
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Yeah, maybe it was, who knows?
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And so this is the big move.
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The Democrats know it's game over.
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Everybody's turning against them.
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Their election fraud is being exposed.
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Same thing with other globalist parties around the world.
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So they're all going to totalitarianism.
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They're all going to total censorship.
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They're all going to arrest and their opposition.
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They're all going to activating the big groups
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they brought in of third world populations
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that burned things down
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if the population ever tries to get back control.
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And so that's where we are now.
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And they were going to push Trump,
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as Podesta said in that big war game
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that I've harped on thousands of times
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in the last five years, five years in August,
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because they were so honest about what they would do.
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Have insurrections, have uprisings,
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force Trump to go in, try to restore order,
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break down the country, bear minimum crash economy,
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then organize a coalition of enough states
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to demand the federal government surrender basically.
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So this is terrorism.
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Get the F out of LA or we'll burn it down,
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says the Congresswoman.
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The governor, come get me, arrest me, make me the martyr.
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They believe they're still going to beat us.
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This is their absolute break the glass plan
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that they've had on the books for a long time.
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Reagan knew about it when it was embryonic.
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So they had the response to it, Rex 84.
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This is a gigantic deal.
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I can't stress that enough.
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For the entirety of Alex's career,
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that I've been aware of,
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all the episodes that I've heard from the early days,
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he's been a guy who used Rex 84 as the proof
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that the government has a plan to round up right-wingers
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and put them into camps.
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In the same way that Operation Northwoods
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is the real world thing that serves as the basis
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for all the thousands of imaginary false flags
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Alex has uncovered over the years,
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Rex 84 is the real world thing that proves
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that FEMA was gonna come and get him
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because he's too patriotic.
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No ifs, ands, or buts.
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It was bad and it was part of the globalists' plans.
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Here's just a little taste of Alex talking about it in 2006.
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["The First Man on Earth"]
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By the way, in my first documentary film
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that I produced, America Destroyed by Design,
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we didn't just go show the handover of the Panama Canal
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and of course the Long Beach Naval Base and the Chicoms.
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We also played clips from the 1986 Iran-Contra hearings
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where Congressman Jack Brooks from Texas goes
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to Oliver North, hey, what about this plan,
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of course in the name of dealing with illegal aliens,
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even then that was the plan.
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Will Bill Camp say it's for illegal aliens
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and then put political dissidents in it?
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And he says, what's this plan about putting
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political dissidents in camps here in America
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that I saw in Miami papers?
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We ought to get that clip and play it.
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And the committee chairman, Inouye, who's still up there,
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Brooks is dead now, says we cannot talk about that now,
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we'll talk about that if you'd like, in executive session.
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A lot of that, that was later declassified,
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was Operation Rex 84.
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So now they're telling us, oh, we're building all these camps
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for illegal aliens and then they're saying, oh,
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because most Americans want to do something
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about illegal aliens, but that's just the surface.
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And they say, oh, even in the Houston Chronicle.
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And it's gonna be during crises for American citizens.
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So the premise was very simple.
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And to be clear, this retelling is the InfoWars version
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of Rex 84, not the real world one.
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The globalists wanted to create camps that they could use
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to imprison political dissenters.
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And the way that they tried to sell it to the public
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was by saying that they were to house
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undocumented immigrants.
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The public would be more inclined to see that
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as a benign use for the camps,
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so the globalists could get them built.
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And by that point, they could use them to secretly scoop up
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Alex and all the people like him who were opposed
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to the New World Order and the police state
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that they sought to impose.
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This was during the Reagan administration,
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so the political dissenters that were targeted
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by Rex 84, that plan, they were obviously socialists
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and left-wingers, but Alex understood that if this kind
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of treatment could be applied to them,
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it could be applied to right-wingers just as easily.
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Wait, so you're saying like some sort of,
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imagine there was some sort of company
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that was making a database of some sort
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of all a certain type of people.
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Are you saying that you could also draw the conclusion
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from these information that they might expand that out?
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Yeah, and Alex understood that dynamic in the past.
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Weird.
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And he followed the appropriate conspiracy position
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of being opposed to Rex 84, regardless of the fact
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that it targeted his political enemies.
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It's a plan you cannot trust to not be abused.
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But now Alex is saying that Rex 84 is a plan
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that Reagan came up with as some kind of defensive maneuver.
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Because they're cool people.
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Apparently there was an embryonic version
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of Podesta's social upheaval plan going back to Reagan's time
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and Rex 84 was a martial law solution to that possibility.
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Makes sense.
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Left-wingers and socialists were causing problems
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that couldn't be handled by normal means,
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thanks to that pesky Bill of Rights.
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So the only answer was police state dissident camps,
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I guess. Makes sense.
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And now Alex seems okay with that.
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So the important question to ask yourself is what changed?
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Did Alex learn more about Rex 84 in the intervening years?
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That's definitely not the case.
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He knew all about this story in the late 90s and early 2000s
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and there hasn't been a whole lot more to update yourself on.
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When you see what's changed,
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it helps illustrate what's going on with Alex.
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The change between his earlier take on Rex 84
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and his current one is that he no longer feels
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like he's a potential target to be put in the camp.
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Alex no longer feels like he's an opponent of the system
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that would be running the police state,
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so he doesn't care if there is one.
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Even back in 2006, Alex was aware that the pretext
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for creating these camps for political dissidents
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was undocumented immigrants.
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So he can't pretend to not understand that
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in the present day.
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In his early career, he was a guy yelling at Ali North
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about how this is tyranny.
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And now he's morphed into the guy who's doing PR work
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for Ali North's tyrannical plan.
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I know that we're just in a parade of new lows for Alex
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on a seemingly daily basis,
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but this is fucking impressive.
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I mean, well, in a way it makes sense.
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It's almost like the life cycle of a butterfly.
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You know, right?
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Like you start out because it's profitable
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to open up this space where you're anti-tyranny,
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but then because of what you do
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and what you actually believe, you lead to tyranny.
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And then because you've learned to tyranny,
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well, you might as well be pro-tyranny.
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You know what I'm saying?
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You don't want to be on the other side of tyranny.
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Anti-tyranny is only cool when you're not in tyranny.
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Yeah.
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You gotta be pro-tyranny, buddy.
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I think it's more like a moth.
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And then you start with really, really wanting to be sure
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that right wing white male Christian heterosexuals
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are not oppressed in any way by society.
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And you realize that like, ah,
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if nobody is oppressed by the government,
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that includes the subset of straight white Christian men.
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Theoretically.
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Yeah, no, but hey, I can advance the interests of everybody
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and the protection of everybody from the police state.
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And what I really care about is the straight white males,
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Christians, that's all I really care about,
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but I can make it look like I'm fighting for everyone.
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And then over time, the moth comes to realize like,
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hey, there's an option where I can just look out
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for the interests of straight white males, Christian males.
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That's an option.
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There it is.
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This is becoming politically viable.
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Why don't I just do that?
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Easy peasy.
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Yeah, that's basically the moth hood.
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So Alex, I honestly think that after saying
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that we're in a civil war,
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and after saying all this other crazy shit,
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this is deeply, deeply irresponsible.
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This is their absolute break the glass plan
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that they've had on the books for a long time.
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Reagan knew about it when it was embryonic.
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So they had the response to it, Rex 84.
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Well, here's the deal.
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Trump wants stability, controlled borders,
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not having a war.
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He doesn't want totalitarianism.
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He wants to turn the country around.
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But when groups bring you warfare
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and don't follow the rule of law,
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or even the rules of war, terrorism,
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they have brought us here.
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And they think that when Trump's forced to respond
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and your force respond,
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the military is forced to respond and choose a side,
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the globalist anarchy collapse into the country,
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nuclear war, you name it, that will just bulk
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and that they're going to have us go to our knees
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and capitulate and then let them have their long victory
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bringing in more illegals
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for congressional apportionment and voting.
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That can't happen.
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This is it.
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We win here or we lose long-term.
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So everybody better get it.
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I've been on here 31 years.
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You can mark this date June 9th, 2025.
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The Chibble war started now.
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Do something, do something.
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He couldn't be stronger in his emphaticness
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that like you need to do something.
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Yep.
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If you're listening to this, you'd go get your gun.
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Why not?
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Why wouldn't you?
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If you didn't, you would have to reflect on,
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I don't know if I take this all that seriously.
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Yep.
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I don't know if I really believe what he's saying.
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I don't believe any of it.
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Yeah.
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If you believe it, it's fucking go time.
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This is the culmination of 31 years of Alex's career.
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Yep.
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What the fuck?
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That's so irresponsible.
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Well, I mean, I think it means that maybe
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he's not going to be on air for much longer, possibly.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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Or he just, you know, doesn't care when he plays the fire.
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So Matt Bracken is really on board with this idea of like,
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we got to brand our enemies as traitors.
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Sure.
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This is key.
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You know, just the main message I think that has to get out
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is to pin the traitors on the side of the invaders.
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You put like those memes are making Newsom's face
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next to the guy with the Mexican flag on the burning car.
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That has to be an image that is in every American's mind.
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He is on the side of these invaders.
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Biden and Mayorkas brought in 10 to 20 million new,
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young, fighting age men into this country,
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unarmed knowing they can be armed later.
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And they are the invaders.
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Anybody who is supporting the invaders is a traitor.
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So it's a very powerful word.
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I call them the two T's, treason and traitor.
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Hang traitor around Bass's neck,
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hang traitor around Newsom's neck.
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So when people see him talking about,
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oh, our poor community, you are talking about the invaders.
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You are supporting the invaders against the people
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who are trying to restore our country.
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And this is going to be easy, easy message to get out
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if our network talking heads will stop focusing on minutia
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and look at the biggest issues like article four,
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section four, the guarantee clause,
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federal government must stop invasions.
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Though the president has great power through that
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and the Alien Removal Act, Sedition Acts,
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there's a lot that can be done,
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but the intellectual argument has to be made
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that we are on the right side
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and the people supporting the invaders are traitors.
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Traitor is a powerful word.
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It has to be hung around their neck.
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Very important.
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Well, it's who they are, it's who they are.
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Yeah, that hung around their neck
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is really an important thing because traitors,
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you hang them.
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Yep, that is traditionally.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You can draw and quarter them as well.
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Well, I guess it depends on, that's a mess.
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Hey, listen, but four, I mean,
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if you don't have four pieces to send
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to the four corners of Great Britain,
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then how will people know you're pissed?
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That is true.
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Otherwise you might be just kind of-
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You could be peeved.
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It could be an annoyance.
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You're like, oh, I'm just gonna hang this traitor.
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Like, no, no, no, no, no.
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I am furious.
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Who knows if you're chuffed.
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Absolutely, no.
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Can't trust you, you're a traitor.
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So it's, you know, this is killing language
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that Matt Bracken's very clearly engaging in.
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Enjoying it.
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Yeah, and then he says something
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that makes me feel like this guy is a prophet.
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And the looting has already happened
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but corporate media is not reporting on it.
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Right, and this will happen
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and there will also be targeted assassinations of enemies.
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Like it'll begin with like gang land type of hits
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where you just have an opportunity to take out your enemy
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because you know that the police are basically overwhelmed
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and unable to respond.
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There won't be any chance to collect evidence, et cetera.
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So you'll see a lot of targeted hits.
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This could also involve hits against police
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at their own homes, you know,
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DHS or ICE officials at their own homes.
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So, you know, in this day and age with Google street maps,
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you can find a picture of a guy's house from above,
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from the street, mark it, one guy can mark it,
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you know, with something like a spray paint on the sidewalk,
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somebody else comes along with a Molotov cocktail.
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This is the beginning of a modern urban dirty war.
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Less than a week after this show,
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there were two targeted assassination attempts
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at the home of Minnesota lawmakers.
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One was successful in killing the Minnesota house speaker
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and her husband.
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The other one only wounding Minnesota state senator
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John Huffman and his wife.
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The killer had a list of other potential targets
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who are political figures
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and he probably would have attempted to kill more of them
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if he hadn't been interrupted at his second location.
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He escaped and led law enforcement on a long manhunt
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before getting caught on the 16th.
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And the time that he was on the run,
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media outlets interviewed his roommate
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who shared his last text that he got from the killer
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that said, quote, I love you guys, I made some choices
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and you guys don't know anything about this,
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but I'm gonna be gone for a while, maybe dead shortly.
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In another interview, the roommate was asked
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if the killer was into any particular media
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and the first thing that he brought up
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was that the dude was a big fan of InfoWars.
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When I first heard about the story,
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I didn't immediately assume
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that the shooter was a fan of InfoWars.
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It's important to understand that possibility
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doesn't mean the same thing as proof.
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So even if it seemed like something
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that someone who listened to InfoWars might do,
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that doesn't really mean anything.
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When I watched the interviews with the roommate,
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things clicked a little bit more into place.
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As Alex has been covering the protests in LA,
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he's been painting a very severe picture.
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He's also been mentioning Minneapolis a lot
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as a way to re-evoke emotional memories
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about the George Floyd protests.
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He's been saying that we're in a real civil war
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and while interviewing Matt Bracken,
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Matt essentially describes an attack
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someone could make on a public official.
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He's saying that that's what the globalists might do,
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but if you're hearing this show
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and you think that there's a civil war
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that's broken out, it kind of makes sense
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that Bracken's commentary sounds more like a pitch meeting.
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And when I heard that the roommate read his last text
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from the shooter, one particular word jumped out at me
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and that was choices.
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I've made some choices.
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It made me think of a video that Alex plays
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at the beginning of most of his shows.
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We've talked about this before,
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but in this current context,
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I wanted to play this clip again.
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We are the number one hated and attacked
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media organization in the world
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by every evil, disgusting, sickening organization
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on the face of the planet.
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And I'm gonna say it,
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if you're gonna go, go as big as you can,
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that's why John Hancock literally saw people
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signing their names a little bitty
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and people he knew signed them,
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you really couldn't tell who they were.
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And I get it, every person signing that
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was signing their potential death warrant.
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He got up there and went, boom.
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And he said it, I'm gonna have the king coming after me.
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I want him to come after me, number one.
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That's a pretty large signature, Johnny.
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Yeah, and I'm gonna risk my life fighting tyranny.
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Anybody's ever been in fights,
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you know, looking for fights, but you've been in a few.
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You learn, you hesitate when somebody's trying
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to beat the hell out of you.
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You don't get your ass kicked,
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but you just decided to beat the living hell out of them
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and stop worrying about who's winning.
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And you're gonna win almost every time
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unless you're fighting Mike Tyson.
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I know there's people who knock you
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upside the head really hard and like,
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sit back and look at what it did.
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Or somebody will hit you in the side of the head
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with a baseball bat, then they'll kind of sit back
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and watch and see what it did.
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I'm like a Terminator.
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You're about to find out.
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So that bet up your ass and turn you into a popsicle.
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So that's what's going on here.
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And I love it because we're drawing their fire.
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We've exposed that we've drawn them out of their rat holes
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to do all of this, the Soros scum and the Soros DA,
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and just all of them, they're filth.
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They're disgusting tyrants.
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Just like judges in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.
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They're disgusting.
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And it's like, we're in the dark and they got night vision.
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We're in a pitch black arena with no light.
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And they've got their illuminators on
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and they can see us and we can't see them.
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Well, guess what?
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I walked over with my listeners collectively
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and pulled the switch and turned the lights on.
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The real war's here with the globalist and Soros
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and Obama and the new world order and Black Rock.
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They declared war on us and we accept the challenge.
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We're king of the country back.
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Their attacks on Trump, their law fair,
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all the criminal activity, how'd that work out for them?
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They were dumb enough to brag, remember everywhere.
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It'll be over for Trump when this mugshot
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comes out in Georgia.
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We're finally getting it.
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Every channel, remember?
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It's the end, the mugshot, the mugshot, the mugshot.
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And then Trump nails it with a beyond Clint Eastwood,
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badass American eagle gaze of total defiance
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that everybody looks at and knows deep down
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that's the alpha male, that's the badass,
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that's the defiant real person.
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You can't fake that look.
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And then when they shot him,
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he got even more of that look,
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except the lips pulled down and the teeth bared
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and the eyes bugging out.
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Yes, yes, we get to see who's really who
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at times like this, don't we?
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And now the bad guys are gonna find out
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who's really who, aren't you?
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Because the vedere of civilization is burning off
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and all the posers and all the thugs
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and all the bullies who thought they had this country
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on its knees and cowed are now just beginning
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to understand that they have awoken the terrible giant.
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I feel like if you were listening to this show
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and took it at all seriously,
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then that video would leave you in a position
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where you felt you had to make some choices.
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When I started this episode,
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I said I was gonna make a grand statement and here it comes.
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I'm not saying that Alex is fully responsible
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for the murders and attempted murders
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of those Minnesota lawmakers,
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but I am saying that the way that he behaves on air
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makes those kinds of acts more likely to happen.
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And there's no way that anyone could convince me
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that Alex doesn't understand that.
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I think that there is probably at least some connection
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between the behavior that he's engaging in on air
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and those murders.
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I don't think that Alex meant to.
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He doesn't know who these lawmakers are.
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It's not like he gives a shit,
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but I don't believe for a second
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that he doesn't understand the potential ramifications
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and the types of behavior
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that he's trying to elicit from people.
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And we don't always see follow through.
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There's not always a news story
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that is the consequence of someone taking action
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because of Alex's inspiration.
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But from what I've seen of this case,
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it seems like, well,
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this is probably one of the times that it happened.
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Yeah, I mean, unfortunately,
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no one else could ever possibly have figured this out.
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And there's no way to have ever seen this kind of language
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leading to terrible things happening coming.
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Nope.
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Anybody who had the opportunity to do something about it
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clearly was right in not doing it.
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The question of what is doing something about it
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is what the difficult part is.
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It's like hurting Alex isn't productive.
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Does the court in any way have some kind of a statute
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that allows them to be like, we have to stop this?
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I don't know.
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I'm asking it as a question.
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Lopez had the opportunity,
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Judge Lopez, the judge in his bankruptcy court,
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had the opportunity to just approve the sale to the onion.
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It followed all of his rules.
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It might not have in his mind.
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Whatever, that's fine.
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Yeah.
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Whatever, that's fine.
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But he still could have.
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He could have.
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There's no law that said he couldn't.
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He could have done it.
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And most of the time he would have
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and so on and so forth.
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So yeah, it's his fault.
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Okay. Fine.
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Yeah, I don't know how to assign or apportion blame.
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And again, I wanna make it totally clear
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that I don't think that this person saw Alex
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and that was like, I'm gonna go do this.
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Sure.
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But I also am not saying that,
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well, I'll say that it would be an uphill battle
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for someone to convince me
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that it's not a contributing factor.
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Sure, absolutely.
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I think that's because it is a contributing factor.
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Yeah, and it makes me think like,
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man, I think Matt Bracken has some fans
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who are fucking hardcore.
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I seem like he's on talking about storming the Capitol
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and then a week later that happens.
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It does happen.
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He's on this show talking about targeted assassinations
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and shit like that.
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And a week later, two Minnesota lawmakers
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and their spouses are shot.
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Like I find it very difficult to imagine
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that Matt Bracken isn't somehow a variable
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of like, he's got a fandom of fucked up dudes.
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Yep.
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Yeah, stay away from that guy.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Matt Bracken talks about
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how we gotta call people traitors.
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Sure.
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We played it the first hour and in January, February, March,
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I said, by June, they're gonna use LA.
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They're gonna get violent and make ICE go in there.
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They're gonna attack them and this will be the trigger.
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The Democrats will call Trump a dictator
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and call for uprisings nationwide.
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It's all happening.
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And the last ingredient is the false flags.
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And I know you've seen it.
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Democrat leaders everywhere saying,
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oh, Trump and Tom Homan are gonna kill migrants.
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They're gonna mow them down.
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You know, on CNN, just out of the blue.
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And that's the talking point
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because clearly they're prepping it for the false flag.
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Let's speak to those scenarios.
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You already mentioned it some.
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That's why these days before that false flag
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are so important to educate people
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about who is right and who is wrong in this situation.
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That this is sedition.
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They are seceding from the federal government
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and they are siding with the invaders.
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The people who defend the invaders are traitors.
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Traitors traditionally did not get the firing squad
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that an honorable soldier would get.
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Traitors were hung, okay?
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They were not given the respect of a firing squad.
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And so hanging the label traitor on somebody
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is very loaded and very powerful.
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But that's exactly what they are.
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And that's why we have to use the T word,
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traitor for these people.
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So that when things come to a boiling point,
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you're gonna be on one side or the other side.
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There's gonna be no in between.
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This does feel loaded.
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You know, sometimes it's like,
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what are those people doing?
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So it's South Carolina and it's the 1860s.
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And you're like, yeah, I'm gonna go kill these other people
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because these rich people own people.
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Motivation locked in.
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Well, you're-
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But then you listen to this shit and you're like,
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this is a guy who is unsubtly saying like,
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listen, I know you live next to them and have known them.
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And you like go to the grocery store together
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and yada, yada, yada, yada.
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But they're a traitor and you gotta kill them.
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And it's like, oh yeah, that's pretty much how,
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that's how it does, that's how they do it.
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It's that simple.
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Well, the image that you're calling to mind
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of someone in South Carolina,
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it implies a lot more information
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than they maybe had at that time.
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You know, like, why is this happening exactly?
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Who am I fighting for?
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That might not have been their perception entirely.
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Certainly some people, it was,
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but maybe not every soldier.
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Right, right.
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But I mean, that's what this guy is.
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This guy is the, hey, listen, you're not doing this
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just so rich white people can own people.
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But I mean, we're in the same situation.
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This is all happening so rich white people can own people.
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It's not far off.
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So Alex is really feeling the energy of Civil War, baby.
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Sure.
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And unfortunately, Matt Bracken ruins the momentum
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because his Skype isn't working.
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Asshole.
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All right, Matt Bracken's with us
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about another 10 minutes or so.
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And folks, these clips I'm gonna play next segment
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that just came out are insane.
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Democrat leaders saying storm eyes facilities.
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I mean, this is it.
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I'm telling you, I can see it intellectually,
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informationally, but I'm just,
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I usually get a chill once a week when I say something
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I know is really important and it just hits me.
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I'm getting chills every 10 seconds right now.
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I mean, my spidey says this is danger, danger.
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You know, in Lord of the Rings,
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when goblins are near, sting starts glowing.
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This sucker's white hot right now.
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Brrr, ah, this is, ah.
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Matt, are you feeling that?
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Sorry, we lost your audio, Matt.
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Unmute yourself.
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Yeah, this is, did you have me?
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Yes, sir, go ahead and do anything at this time.
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You hear me?
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We got you, Matt, go ahead.
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Hey, Matt, I went brrr, brrr, brrr.
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Ah, I thought we were supposed to roll there, man.
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Ruin the moment, Matt.
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Fuck.
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Matt, you ruined the goddamn moment.
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This is what happens with live, you know?
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This is why we can't fight a civil war anymore.
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Because of shit like this.
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Shit like this, Matt.
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I'm trying to do a Gungan thing.
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You think that was a boss an ass?
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Yeah, that was a boss an ass.
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Okay.
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I feel like it was more a General Grievous.
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Okay.
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No, it wasn't.
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So, Matt Branken, this guy is a fucking mess.
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That sounds right.
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In the 65 riot, there are a lot of personal histories.
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There was not even a SWAT team yet.
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Okay, a riot squad, kind of, maybe some shields, batons.
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There was no SWAT team.
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But there are a lot of anecdotal histories of police
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going four to a car, three or four to a police car,
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and bringing their own deer rifles.
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And if they saw somebody engaged in an arson attack,
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they would drop them.
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This wasn't in a police report.
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People just shot and shut up.
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So the police in 65, there were no smartphones around
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to catch them in the act.
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So if you want to stop arsonists,
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you have to shoot arsonists.
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You can't let them walk down the street
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preparing Molotov cocktails
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to throw into the furniture store.
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But in this era, that'll never happen.
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The police will never be authorized deadly force,
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even against arsonists.
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So what's gonna happen is,
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vigilantes are gonna do that instead.
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And this is gonna become a rifle war.
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I wrote about this pretty extensively
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in When the Music Stops,
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How America's Cities Will Explode in Violence.
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When the police are not able to clear roads
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or protect neighborhoods,
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suburban vigilantes are gonna do it on their own.
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And they're going to do it wearing balaclavas IRA style.
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And they're gonna shoot anybody they think is an arsonist
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or an insurrectionist from the other side.
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I'm not excusing it.
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I'm just saying, based on my study of history,
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particularly Northern Ireland,
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this is what's gonna happen.
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You are definitely excusing it.
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That's ridiculous.
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Ooh, okay.
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Yeah, man. How about that?
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Hey, the cops, they can't step up.
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So urban, I mean, suburban vigilantes
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are gonna step up and kill people
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because the cops, they have smartphones
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that are gonna get them in trouble and stuff.
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You know what's interesting?
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Here's another thing.
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This is another thing with these guys.
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This is the thing with these guys.
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In this guy's world, he's the IRA.
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But motherfucker, you're Britain.
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You're Darth Vader, dude.
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You are not, yeah, this is not good.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, I don't know enough to parse everything down,
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but yeah, there is a feeling of righteousness
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that he ascribes to his own position.
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And the words coming out of his mouth
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could not be more so fucked up.
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Yeah, no, it is essentially to boil it down
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to its most elemental, elemental thing.
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We gotta get these Mohicans off of my lawn
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because I own this land.
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Yep. Yep.
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There's a lot of that.
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Makes sense.
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So Matt Bracken is, well, I'm not excusing vigilantism.
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He's very clearly excusing vigilantism.
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Obviously.
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And quite emphatically supporting it.
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Very much so.
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And here's what Alex has to say.
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It will always go to vigilantes.
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It will always go to that.
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And in that scenario, we will win,
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though I'm not endorsing it, but here's the problem.
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The left is so under mind control
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that even though they're burning down buildings
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and killing people,
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when people start defending their property and things,
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they will spin each one of those like a George Floyd
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and use that to expand the burning down around the country.
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Back in 60 seconds.
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Oh, but we'll win?
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Huh.
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We'll beat the devil if we use vigilantism.
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Seems like that's the smart thing to do.
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Yeah, because for 31 years,
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seems like we haven't beat the devil.
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Yep.
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Huh.
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Alex is not endorsing this, but he would win.
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Weird how that works.
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Weird how that works out.
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So there were the LA protests
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and then there were some other protests
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that were scheduled a little bit further down the road,
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the no kings protests.
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Sure.
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And Alex talks a little bit about this.
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I found something kind of interesting.
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So let's look at one of the main groups
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and they always create a new front group,
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Black Lives Matter, you name it.
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But if you look at no kings that popped up a few months ago
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saying Trump's a king,
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and you look at the big globalist billionaires that fund it
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and their aims and their goals,
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then I'll show you some of the other funding to it.
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This is a front group for hundreds of NGOs
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that you track each one of them,
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got massive money from the Department of Energy,
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the EPA, USA, that all means CIA.
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And they've got maps of what they're gonna do
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starting on June 14th.
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This is just the warmup right now,
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as I warned you.
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So you may notice that Alex is saying
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that the no kings protest is set to be the big event
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that the LA protests are just the dress rehearsal for.
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This is just the beginning
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and that's when it's really kicking off.
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So that's taking place on June 14th,
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which happens to be the day when the lawmakers in Minnesota
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were assassinated and the guy who did it
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had no kings flyers in his car.
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Since the murders, it came out in his charging document
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that on June 9th, the shooter made a bunch of purchases
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related to carrying out the attack,
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like the fake license plate to label his car
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as a police vehicle and ammo.
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That happens to be the day that this episode
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that we're listening to was from,
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where Alex is declaring the civil war has begun.
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Sounds right.
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Alex has emphatically said that the civil war
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is upon us now, saying it is giving him chills.
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And this is the big one.
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The LA protests are a trial run for the no kings protest
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that will see America descended to full chaos.
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So maybe it's not a huge surprise
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that another one of the shooters last texts
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was to his wife and kids saying,
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dad went to war last night.
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I don't think that these are unrelated.
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I don't know the extent to which this is a person
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who would have done something anyway,
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but there's a lot of overlap.
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Well, what you gonna do?
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I don't know.
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Try doing a podcast about it for 10 years.
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I think that that makes me feel a lot less,
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more powerless.
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I'm not saying you're wrong though.
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I mean, it's interesting because ultimately
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what we're all going to have to wrestle with
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is an amount of helplessness
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in the face of overwhelming power.
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And the question of winning is not possible.
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So it's just endurance.
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And so in order to endure through what's going to come,
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you gotta accept that shit's gonna get dark
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and shit's gonna get dark as a consequence
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of the things that people have done.
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Not as like a surprise, things are suddenly getting dark.
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This is the result of decades of shit.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So if you don't wanna repeat it,
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you gotta not do that decades of shit anymore.
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And two points.
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One is that shit gets dark and you can still make light.
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That is something that can't necessarily be taken away.
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So as dark as anything may appear,
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you always have the ability to create some kind of light.
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And that's important to hold on to.
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And then second, in terms of this specific case,
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Alex, I think, has some overlap with this guy's path
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towards targeted assassinations of political figures
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on the specific date.
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I think that there appears to be connection here.
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Sure.
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And I believe, and it's something
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that we've talked about a ton,
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Alex does this every day.
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Like this is, I called this boilerplate.
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Sure.
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This is what he does.
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And 99 times out of 100,
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it doesn't lead to someone shooting someone else.
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But that hundredth time it does.
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And that's the problem.
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He can hide behind the 99 times
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where someone doesn't follow through with anything
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to pretend that there is no toxic and dangerous influence
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that the games that he plays have.
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Sure.
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But that's delusional.
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Sure.
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I mean, I think the hard part about it for a lot of people
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is the conversation is like,
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oh, well, because 99 out of 100 times blank.
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When in reality it's like, because he did it three times,
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he's going to do it 100 times,
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which means this is going to happen.
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So this is an inevitability of the one time
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that it was allowed to happen.
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Well, but also the 99 times is an illusion
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because there are cases of things
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that just don't rise to the level of making headlines.
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Sure.
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Like who knows how much domestic violence
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or fights or stabbings or whatever
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come out of people being driven to a point
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where they feel like they have to do something
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because Alex is telling them the civil war has started
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and this is the big one.
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Yeah.
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And you know, it's wrong to just point it out.
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There's a lot of media figures in his orbit
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and shit who play the same kind of games.
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Yeah.
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But this has been very tough to watch.
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It is tough to watch whenever you, I don't know.
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If people are interested in listening,
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I think they'll figure it out, I guess.
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You know, that's what people can do.
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They'll figure it out.
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So we'll end the episode on a little bit of a,
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not as bummer-y-ish of a note.
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Sure.
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Which is a weird way to introduce
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a conversation about Epstein.
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That sounds right.
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But Alex apparently has-
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Shit's about to get dark.
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Alex has seen Chase's show from the day before.
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Okay.
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And now he's decided maybe Epstein's alive.
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No.
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I'm gonna shift gears to a bunch of other news.
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The latest big thing on Epstein,
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an angle we've not really gone with before,
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but I think there's,
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from the evidence I've seen, needs to be looked at.
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Is he really still alive?
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Oh boy.
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So you're malleable on this shit.
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Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.
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It's so insane that I was like, you know what?
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Chase fucking said it.
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It played well on Twitter.
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Maybe this motherfucker never dies.
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Maybe he's a robot clone.
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So I guess they had to kill some time.
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Sure.
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Alex brings Chase in to discuss this new theory.
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Something's not right here.
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I agree with you.
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It could be that he's actually in witness protection.
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Cause that came out a bunch that he was in a good mood
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and said, I'm getting out of here soon.
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That's the only reason I can think of
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that good people would lie about it.
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You know-
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Gaaaaa!
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And then they would stage his death.
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Right.
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And then, but have to cover it up.
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Right.
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Cause it's super embarrassing if they put him
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in witness protection, given all the crimes
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that he committed.
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And if it comes out that, you know,
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he was doing those crimes on behalf
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of our own intelligence apparatus.
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So they're covering it up.
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And because he's got dead men switches.
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Yeah.
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They have to let him out.
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But then they got to put somebody in jails
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that put Gizling Maxwell in.
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And then here comes Epstein, her lawyer, going,
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okay, now that Musk said this,
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I mean, less than 24 hours later,
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you better let my lady out.
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And it's not that Trump's involved with Epstein.
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It's that the Trump admin made this deal
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in 2019.
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My, I'm, when you, I was already thinking this
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for a while, but I didn't want to go there.
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No.
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And I hate to speculate.
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It's not what I do.
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No!
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When I say they're going to burn stuff down
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in June and launch a civil war.
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I mean, they said they would.
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Coming back, it was almost five years ago.
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So, and then, and they relaunched it a year ago.
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So, I mean, that's not me speculating.
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That's why so much of what I say comes true.
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Like 99%, cause it's usually just them,
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like Operation Lockstone.
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How to know about six feet apart and, you know,
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masks, can lockdowns.
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I mean, there's fricking a whole bunch of documents,
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not just Lockstep.
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On this though, there's so many pieces.
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Chase, I, Gut Level, I think he's alive.
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I think you're right.
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I think, I think it's true.
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What an asshole.
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Yeah, maybe he's alive.
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You know, so.
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Gut Level, I think you're onto something, young boy.
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I've thought about this for a long time.
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You stupid young boy.
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I've thought about this for a long time
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because throughout history,
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there's always been implements of torture, right?
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That are ostensibly to get information out of somebody.
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And I've always thought, you know what?
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This is just a way of excusing psychosatists
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who are allowed to get into a position of power
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and then exercise their weird pleasure thing, right?
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Because I genuinely think anything that you could achieve
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with any amount of torture,
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I could get the exact same level of efficacy
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from just yelling at people at the right intervals of time.
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Like, I'm very loud.
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And I could really make it uncomfortable for people.
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Sure.
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You know, and that's because torture doesn't even work.
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It doesn't get accurate information.
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It's just about hurting people.
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That's all it is.
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That's all it ever has been.
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It's about weird people trying to get their torture shit out
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and that's why whenever I hear him say stuff like that,
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I think there's no element of torture
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that could ever get me to believe
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that that is not the dumbest shit
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I've ever heard in my entire life.
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It's quite dumb.
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And I think that they'll probably abandon it in due time.
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I don't think there's a lot of legs to this.
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I think it implicates Trump in ways
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that you really don't wanna unpack.
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Really?
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It's very stupid. Really?
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Not only is he, quote unquote, not in the Epstein files,
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somehow he's also not in the Epstein files
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and kept him alive!
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Yeah, and faked his death.
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And faked his death!
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Yep, that makes sense.
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That sounds right, that sounds right!
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Yeah, I think these dumb fucks,
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and here's the bigger issue.
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I understand where you're coming from
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and I agree with you.
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Thank you.
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But the bigger issue for me is
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these ding dongs have no chemistry when Alex isn't drunk.
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No, he needs to be drunk.
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It's crazy.
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This is so dry, this is so bad.
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He needs to drink.
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Quite frankly, McGurk's not a good character sober.
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I think we've figured that out.
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Well, and I think that that's the other thing too.
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One of the reasons that I always felt like
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Alex should not do his show drunk
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is because I had, hey, misguided maybe,
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but I had some belief that it would
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make him hurt people less.
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Right.
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And I think that one of the things
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that I've come to the conclusion of is
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he's gonna hurt just as many people sober
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and he's a little bit more fun to look at when he's drunk.
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Because at least sometimes there's some pretty funny
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emotional outbursts.
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You know, I...
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There's something of this in the Dow.
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All right?
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Okay?
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The men who intend to destroy can create
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and men who intend to create destroy.
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No one knows why this is.
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Heaven wants what it wants.
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And I think that heaven wants Alex to be drunk as shit
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and that all of what's happening right now
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is a lesson to the rest of us to make sure
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that this continues happening.
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Yeah.
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Well, I'm glad that we finally got there
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and that kind of wisdom.
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I think that's as good a place as I need to leave off.
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You're gonna need the Dow to get there.
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So this tragic, awful, and what a nice sort of tone.
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Have a great vacation.
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Have a great vacation.
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So we'll be back, but until then,
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Leo and Leo, wait, we have a website.
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Indeed we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
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I'm also DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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