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Dan and Jordan, Knowledge Fight.
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Lurelure, Lurelure, Lurelure.
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Ah!
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Need, I need money.
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Lurelurelure, Lurelure, Lurelure.
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Andy in Kansas.
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Andy in, Andy in, Andy in.
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Stop it.
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Andy in, Andy in Kansas.
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Andy, Andy, Andy.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a big fan of the huge band.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Right, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a
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little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for ya.
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Sup.
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Which bright spot today, buddy?
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You look at me, you listen to me.
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I'm looking at you.
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I'm gonna give it to you raw.
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Alright.
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I'm pointing at you right now.
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I can feel your point.
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You understand this?
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It's intense.
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I'm staring you right in the face.
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Yeah.
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I don't have a bright spot today.
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Okay, that's fine.
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But I do have a dark spot.
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Alright.
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And it's me.
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So you and I have talked recently about an urge that I've had to buzz my head.
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Yes.
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And some of this has, I admit, come from an episode of The Cat that we watched.
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Sure.
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Where there was a villain named Leo Serif.
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Yep.
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Who had a bald head and a beard configuration where it's sort of like a goatee but it goes
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a little bit further and comes up like a jutting point.
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Yeah, it really does.
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It's an old crazy mystic kind of look.
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Yep.
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And I thought to myself when I saw that, I could see myself in that vibe.
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I felt like I've never tried this facial hair configuration.
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That's true.
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Not many have.
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Yeah, except for old wizards.
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Right, right.
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Not a ton of those.
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And actors who are playing old wizards.
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Old wizards, yeah.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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And so I decided, I'd kick the can down the road long enough.
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And I feel like when I was younger, I had dumb ideas and then I'd just do them.
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And I would have buzzed my head a long time ago and gone for the Leo Serif look.
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When I was a younger man.
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And so I decided, fuck it, I'm doing it.
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I did and I'm not super satisfied with the result.
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I don't think it looks bad.
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No, I think it looked great.
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I think I have an okay buzzed head.
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And I like having shorter hair generally.
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I don't like hair getting in my eyes and I hate having to comb.
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Sure.
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It's annoying.
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Yep.
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But I do think that I look too much like Alex when I looked in the mirror.
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I mean, it's not unnoticeable.
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Bald with a goatee, a little bit thick.
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I don't, I was very uncomfortable with it and I'm probably going to get rid of it as
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soon as we're done recording.
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I kept it mostly for the humor of...
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You've got the hair with you in your bathroom.
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You're going to put it back on, glue it in each piece by piece.
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It's the only solution.
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The only solution.
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We're going to sew it back on.
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Yeah.
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Because I went to the store with, of course, with the pinky ring, which was overshadowed
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by my feeling of like, what if someone thinks I am Alex Jones?
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I felt like that's incredibly unlikely.
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That was a paranoia that I had that was more than like, are people going to think I'm weird
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because I have a pinky ring?
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I think we're reaching Korean detective levels of immersing oneself a little too much in
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the case.
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Yeah.
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I was going for the Leo Serif.
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I did not realize.
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And fell accidentally into the AJ.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, dark spot.
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Yeah.
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot, very opposite.
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All right.
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We're back at tennis, but this is only tangentially tennis related, aside from it being about
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tennis.
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The semifinalist for the French Open on the ladies side ranked number 361 in the world.
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Okay.
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Louis Boisson.
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Very French.
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Extremely French.
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This is right up your alley these days.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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She was 124 last year.
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She was about to get her first wild card into the French Open.
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Tour O'Raissel.
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This year she's finally coming back.
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She just wins.
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Out of nowhere the French Federation is like, yeah, we'll give you a wild card into the
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French Open.
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Boom.
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Beats top 25.
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Shit.
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Boom.
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Beats top 50.
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Boom.
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Beats number three.
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Then number six.
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Is...
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I hate to ask this if this is where you're going.
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Sure.
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But is this a rookie of the year situation?
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Uh, no.
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Okay.
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No, no, no, no.
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She's very good at tennis.
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She didn't get like magical surgery?
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She did not read... yeah, yeah, yeah.
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She didn't get a new like gorilla tendon to replace her old... which I mean maybe that's
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legal?
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I don't know.
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Her coach wasn't like on the sideline saying funky butt loving?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No Gary Buseys were involved.
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Okay.
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That's good.
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In the making of it.
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But she's gone... she lost in the semifinals to Coco Gauff, but that happens.
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It's still an incredible run.
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It's the most ridiculous run.
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In her entire career she'd only made like 120 grand in prize money.
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And then in the past two weeks she's made almost 700.
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Like it's crazy.
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Her whole life has changed completely.
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She was awesome.
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I like the way that we're looking at this differently.
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I came to this from a perspective of like this accomplishment.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You went with prize money and I guess probably like branding deals.
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No, no, no.
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Clout?
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No, no, no.
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What's most important, again, and this is why it's tangentially related to tennis, is
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that somebody who was not supposed to be there, who was French, was in the French Open kicking
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ass.
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And there is no other place in tennis that behaves quite like the crowd at the French
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Open when there's somebody who's French kicking ass.
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They are as close to Philly fans as you can possibly get in tennis and it is magnificent
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to watch these people.
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They get so mad.
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The tennis players get so mad because you're not supposed to behave like this.
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If you go to Wimbledon, no one makes a sound.
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Right, but the French are a little rowdy.
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The French are out of their minds!
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And this lady's French, so they were on her team all the way.
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They're all wine drunk.
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It was so much fun to watch them behave like absolute maniacs.
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So that was my bright spot.
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They've had so many years of Spanish domination of the French Open and they're reclaiming
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their territory.
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Yeah, no, they're open homers.
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They love their French tennis people and they loved Rafa because he was a great champion
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and stuff, but not the way that they really love a French person who's not supposed to
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be there.
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That's the shit.
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That's the shit.
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You know, that was a great homer.
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Who?
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Simpson.
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That's true.
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I really, really wanted to make that joke and have a different homer.
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But I couldn't come up with one.
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No, it was a great homer.
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What was the Iliad guy's last name?
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Or was that his first name?
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It was Madonna situation.
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Does he only have the one name?
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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We're going to be talking about June 2nd, 2025.
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And that is because something happened on this episode that has taken the internet by
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storm and I think represents a seismic shift in the way that I want to look at Alex.
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I think that there's something that happens that he's...
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All right, let's do it.
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It's a lot to unpack.
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Let's go.
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But before we do any of that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Toby the cat, rest in peace.
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Give your pets a pet for Toby.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, my partner Melissa says she generally only listens to the bright spots and shout
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outs because she hates Alex.
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So to test that theory, I'm shouting you out through Dan's voice.
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Love, Thomas.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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My go, and I live less than 30 miles away from Knowledge Fight HQ, and I'm still part
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of the Empty Envelope Club.
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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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So sorry about that.
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Yeah.
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I'll leave some buttons by the lake, and if you find them, you find them.
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So we also got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much too.
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Tara, I'm really excited about our first trip together and many more in the future.
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From your goofy boyfriend, Andrew, thank you so much, you're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you very much.
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So we started off here on the second, and there's a lot of stuff that's going on in
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the world, sure, but Alex has a definite top story.
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Okay.
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So the massive attacks Sunday night into Monday morning all over Russia, up to 4,000 miles
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away from the Ukrainian border in far Eastern Russia, right by Japan, are completely designed
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to the night before derail the peace talks that just concluded this morning.
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And of course, everyone's waiting for the big response from Putin.
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Well, I shouldn't say everyone, you tune into leftist media, you tune into so-called populist
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media.
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All they're talking about is the crazy Muslim with the makeshift flamethrower, Maalab cocktails
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trying to kill Jews in Boulder.
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Okay.
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They're spending their time hysterically running around about Palantir because that's what
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the liberals want you to talk about.
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So that's what we do.
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And don't worry, I'll spend time on the Rocky Har and on Palantir a little bit next hour.
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We actually want to know what's going on in both cases.
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So on June 1st, Ukraine carried out a very elaborate attack on Russia where they managed
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to smuggle 117 drones into the country, launch them, and attack Russian air bases successfully.
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It's tough to say exactly what the damage they were able to do is, but from what I can
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tell from news reports, this is entirely a matter of them attacking military targets.
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On this episode, Alex calls this Russia's Pearl Harbor, which actually fails on two
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counts.
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The first is that the US hadn't previously invaded Japan, and the second is that Alex
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is supposed to think that Pearl Harbor was a false flag.
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So none of this really makes sense.
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That's a good point.
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The whole thing is a big deal, and there's obviously going to be retaliation.
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But largely speaking, Alex is at a very uncomfortable point at this June 2nd episode.
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When Trump was running in 2024, I think that he overestimated his sway over Putin and believed
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that he could end the war in Ukraine just by buddying up with the strongman and joining
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him in bullying Zelensky.
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As we've seen, that clearly hasn't worked.
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And towards the end of May, Trump said that Putin was quote, absolutely crazy, and condemned
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Russia's attacks on Ukrainian cities.
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At this point, I think that Trump may be realizing that his normal tactics aren't going to do
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shit here, and it seems like he's signaling that he's just going to be backing off from
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being too involved, let Russia do whatever the fuck they want.
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That's a good strategy for Trump if he's just trying to distance himself from a situation
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where he has way less leverage than he thought, but it's a huge problem for people like Alex
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in the extreme right wing media.
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They've seriously overcommitted to Putin and the righteousness of his cause.
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They're tying it closely to these political and even spiritual identities that they've
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built up.
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These folks in this media space are going to need to make some tough choices in the
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coming months as the team that they've chosen to root for falls apart.
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On the one front, you have Trump and Putin who are supposed to be the united front that's
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standing up to save white Christendom from the terrors of wokeness.
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They should be on the same page, but they're clearly not, and that's a problem.
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On another front, you have Trump and Elon Musk falling out a bit over Trump's big, beautiful
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bill and Elon departing his role in the fake government efficiency office that they created.
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Musk's been shitting on this bill and trying to whip up opposition to it, and it looks
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like the two of them may not be on the same page at all anymore.
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This shit is coming apart at the seams, and Alex needs to make some choices.
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As for the choice that he's making on this show, it seems to indicate to me that he's
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possibly more committed to Putin than he is to Trump, since the attack on Russia is
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being covered as the real main news, whereas these other things like the Molotov cocktail
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attack and Palantir, these are side issues.
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That you're being distracted from the main thing, which is this Russia stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, it seems like a fairly simple conversation to predict.
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Like, imagine this.
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So Putin's like, hey, I want all of the Soviet Union back, obviously.
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That's what I've been doing.
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That's what I've been talking about.
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I've been saying that.
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I've honestly been crazy obvious about this.
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And Trump was like, well, yeah, but that's bullshit, right?
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We're all here to do the thing.
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You're just talking big so you can get the stuff.
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And he's like, no, I want the Soviet.
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Well, you can't have the Soviet Union.
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I mean, obviously I won't allow you to have the Soviet.
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You won't allow me to have the Soviet Union?
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We're fighting now.
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The end.
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Well, if you want to have the Soviet Union, you better pay me a lot.
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Exactly.
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That's more.
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You can't pay me what I want.
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You can't pay me enough for the Soviet Union.
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Yeah.
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And so I think that that's maybe a sticking point.
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It's not gonna, we're not gonna see eye to eye on you get Poland too?
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I don't know.
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You can have Poland.
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I just need a lot of money.
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I don't care.
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So yeah, I think that Alex is at this sort of crossroads that whether he understands
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it or not, that is, he's committed to a number of things that are about to be enemies with
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each other.
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Yep.
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And I don't wish him good luck.
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No.
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It is interesting because I think you're right.
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We're seeing this non coalition fall apart for a fundamental reason.
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Nobody actually knew who was lying to who.
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Right.
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I thought we were lying about this.
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I was telling the truth.
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It's based on scam instead of solidarity.
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Yep.
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There is no sense of these people who are deeply white nationalists.
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They don't have solidarity with Bitcoin dudes.
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Nope.
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But they've unfortunately had to work together as their interests aligned.
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And they've over committed.
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Whoops.
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So this attack on Russia, it really is about one thing.
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And that is remind us.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, sort.
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I mean, okay.
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That in your mind.
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All right.
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But it's mostly about how you should be afraid of immigrants.
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That sounds right.
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But you've got another big strain here that no one is pointing out.
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Oh, Ukraine's massive drone attack deep inside Russia lays bare Putin's vulnerability.
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Russia's borders are highly controlled compared to the United States.
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It's been a wide open sieve off and on for decades, particularly the last four years.
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Hundreds of thousands of military age men with affiliations to Hezbollah and the Chinese
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military and others have come in en masse with the same boots, same backpacks, same military
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bills.
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We know they're here producing fentanyl, money laundering, running crime operations, sending
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the money back to Iran and back to China.
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And if you think this lays bare the dangers and the vulnerabilities of asymmetrical warfare,
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let me give you a newsflash.
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The Russians have smuggled nuclear weapons into the United States decades ago.
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The Chinese have smuggled nuclear weapons in the United States has smuggled things even
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nastier than that into their countries.
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And they what is a giant ticking time bomb.
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So it's important to understand that kicking immigrants out of the United States is one
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of the only things that really matters to Alex.
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And you can tell by how every story is actually about how scared you should be about the border.
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This attack on Russia has nothing to do with Russia's immigration laws, but Alex doesn't
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miss an opportunity to demonize the people that he hates.
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And I would say that if Alex believes any of this shit that he's saying, then there's
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basically no reason to try to solve any of the world's problems.
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If all of these countries have smuggled arsenals into each other's borders, the mathematical
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odds of that not going wrong is basically zero.
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Disarmament talks aren't really an option because if you've got all these secret weapons
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in someone else's country, how could you ever expect them to trust you when you say you
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promise you've removed them all?
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It's fucking stupid.
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Yep, it'd be insane.
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This is a Gordian knot of international diplomacy.
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And if any of it's true, then Trump enabled that status quo to remain in place for his
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entire first presidency, which seems pretty shitty and I'd love to hear Alex explain that.
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And that's why it's important to remember that Alex doesn't actually believe any of
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that stuff.
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The fantasies about smuggled nukes and all this shit is just exciting detail that he's
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adding to this story to advocate for kicking immigrants out of the United States.
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That's at its core what this is about.
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The rest of it is clothes on a mannequin.
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Yep.
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So fuck it.
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So okay.
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Right.
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Now I'm going to throw this out there.
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If you're that good at smuggling weapons inside of the country, why build weapons to shoot
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at that country?
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For show?
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Oh, well then nevermind.
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Right.
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That makes perfect sense.
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That is a good spend of money.
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Everybody believes that there's a nuclear triad.
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Sure.
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Right?
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Air, water, land.
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Oh, okay.
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Right?
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I was going to go with earth, fire, and...
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But okay.
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There's four elements, brother.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Brother.
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Brother.
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Brother.
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Brother.
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I was about to...
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I was going to say brother and buddy at the same time.
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Yeah.
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And it came out brada.
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All right.
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There's four nuclear things.
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Yes.
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Everyone thinks it's a triad.
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Right.
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It's really like the elements.
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There's four.
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Right.
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You have air, land, water, smuggle.
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And smuggle.
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Yep.
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And smuggle.
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Well, I mean...
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Secretly stashed somewhere.
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Furthermore, what's even the point of smuggling weapons if you can North Korea smuggle ballots
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and shit in and influence the government of the country?
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There isn't really.
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Okay.
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You know, all of this is just for fun.
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For Alex.
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It is interesting.
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There's so many ways everybody is trying to murder you and is so close that it's like,
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maybe you guys should focus on one way to murder me and get really, really good at it.
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You know?
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Bruce Lee thousand punch thing.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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I think the issue is that Alex has to fill this much time on air and do methylene blue
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commercials.
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He's gotta keep people interested.
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Yeah.
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Bruce Lee didn't have to do methylene blue commercials.
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No.
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Nope.
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So Alex talks about Trump and how Trump had called Putin crazy and all that.
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So now Ukraine did this attack on Russia.
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Trump has said like, I didn't know about this.
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We didn't have advance warning about this.
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So this is a weird situation for Alex to be trying to explain what the fuck is going on
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with our president as it relates to this conflict.
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And as I told you when Trump came out eight days ago and said, I'm very upset with Putin.
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I don't know what he's doing attacking Ukraine.
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We got a peace deal.
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I'd ask both sides not to do this.
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I knew before I even made phone calls that through his morning briefings that goes through
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a filter and because it's not on the corporate media here in the United States until this
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big attack a day and a half ago that Trump did not know about the massive Ukrainian escalation
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of the last month of drone attacks and missile attacks in Russia.
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And sure enough, Marco Rubio has gone public.
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Lab are offs gone public and it's CNN's reporting that the White House has said that Trump did
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not understand what Ukraine was doing the last five weeks and that Trump is upset about
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this escalation of Zelensky.
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But I saw the experts, the populace, the fake populace that actually haven't been studying
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this for decades.
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No one Jones just made it up.
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Trump knew what he was doing.
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This is a great way to put pressure on Putin.
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He gave me the peace table complete opposite.
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It's meant to derail the peace deal.
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So he goes on a little bit later and says this show.
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Trump is very busy.
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He's got 2 million people under him.
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He gets these briefings, he gets this information.
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And if it's not on Fox News, he occasionally watches my show and other people's shows.
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But he has some lag time, as Roger Stone has said many times, that when Trump gets
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the right information, he always makes the right decision.
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I don't know what Alex is hoping to achieve here, but all of this just makes Trump sound
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fucking stupid.
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He's the president of the United States.
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And if something isn't on Fox News, then he's not going to be aware of it.
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No, that's good.
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Obviously, what's going on here is that Alex needs to come up with a story to sell the
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audience that explains why Trump said that Putin had gone crazy.
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And the best way to do that is to pretend that he's a child and he can only be expected
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to know things that are on TV.
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That makes sense.
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This is a load of shit, but I can't imagine how pathetic I would feel if there was a politician
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that I supported who went against a position that I thought was very important.
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And I tried to rationalize why that happened by saying they didn't see the story on TV.
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This is such a weak angle for Alex to take.
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Such diminished expectations of what Trump is, is doing.
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It's sad.
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I mean, here's the thing about it, right?
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Is that it suggests a possible situation where four people could directly limit and curate
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the amount of and what type of knowledge Trump receives, thereby creating their own agenda
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that Trump would enact, believing that he was enacting his own thoughts when in fact
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he wasn't.
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Or not caring if they're his own thoughts if he should get some money out of it.
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Exactly.
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Once again, returning us to the what if we put him into a hole and just pretended he
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was the president.
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I think those four people would be mad.
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They like having power.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So I just think that I obviously I don't I don't think this means anything, but I put
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it into my brain of like Alex letting Obama off the hook for something because he hadn't
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seen it on MSNBC or something like that.
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Just trying to parallel this in some other way makes it look so dumb.
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He is insulting Trump by this description.
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It's meant to get Trump off the hook because treating Trump by adult standards would be
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devastating for Alex.
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If he tried to do that, it would be it's indefensible.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's indefensible.
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And it sucks.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So all this, though, really?
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Yeah.
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At the end of the day, it's about stopping war.
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We want peace.
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That's what Alex wants.
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I suppose.
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Peace and profits.
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Because we're trying to stop nuclear war.
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We're already in World War Three.
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Kellogg came out and said it.
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Talking about nuclear war.
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Which I told you a long time ago we were.
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I'll explain coming back with General Flynn.
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Oh, General Flynn's on.
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I forgot to tell you.
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Yeah, it does.
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I think that there's something really crass about like we're trying to stop nuclear war
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also by this dumb shit.
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I mean, methylene blue, nuclear war, which do you think is more important?
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Both equally important.
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One stops the other.
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Everybody knows that.
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Right.
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If everyone were on methylene blue, there would be no war.
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That's the key.
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I think fundamentally, Alex should not be warning people taking SSRIs that they could
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have a negative interaction with this because he is so against SSRIs.
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Yeah, there shouldn't be people in his audience who would be open to taking SSRIs.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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And not just that, he'd be like the government during prohibition.
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He should be like, it's fine because the people who are using this should be poisoned.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It should be fine.
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Yeah.
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I think that's an unempathetic position and maybe he would struggle to put it into words.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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But spiritually, I could see him getting there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, this sucks.
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Mike Flynn is on.
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Great.
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Friend of Papa John.
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Great.
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And I noticed something while he was on.
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And we're not going to listen to any clips of it because I don't want to give a shit.
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And he's basically just saying all of the same stuff that Alex said in the first hour.
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And I realize like, oh, Alex is just priming the talking points that Mike Flynn's going
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to come on and rant about.
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This is like the whole setup.
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Everything about like this attack on Russia, what it really illustrates is how vulnerable
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the United States is to terrorist insurgent attacks from within.
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All of that is all just Mike Flynn's shit.
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And I realize like this guy's taken on a Pacienki vibe, except he's not funny.
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He doesn't correct Alex's manners.
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And he's too directly connected to things that are actually powerful.
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Steve, for all the awfulness and everything that sucked about him, he was at least imaginable
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as a folk character.
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This guy isn't going to affect anything.
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He's not really touching levers of power.
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Whereas Mike Flynn, you can't really say that.
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And that makes him different.
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You know, I hate to say that it's just very...
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Well, okay, so I started reading this biography of William F. Buckley for some reason.
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Lord knows why I do things.
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So I'm reading it and it is like if you pull away all of the myth making and all of this
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bullshit, it's like, oh, he's just Tucker Carlson.
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He never knew anything.
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Tucker's kid's named Buckley.
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Yeah, he's just a rich, he's just a rich fail son who talked nice and then, you know,
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everything fell from there.
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Had a couple of bone mows.
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Never knew anything.
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Never, never had any kind of intellectual anything behind him.
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He's just a piece of shit.
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Right.
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And so it stripped away that legend that much like Alex, you know, you strip away much like
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Bill Cooper stripping away all of this legend.
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And I don't know why, but Steve Pacienki is a real character.
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I think that we've done some heavy lifting in terms of that.
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Sure.
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I think to us he's a character and I don't know if he...
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But he did kill Aldo Mora.
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Killed.
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Killed is strong.
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Got killed.
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Yeah, you know, yeah, he was, you know, in the State Department in hostage negotiation
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stuff at that time in the seventies.
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But yeah, it's undeniable that he has that piece.
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In the same way, it's undeniable that Mike Flynn worked for the Obama administration
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in intelligence.
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Exactly.
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You know, like it has that same kernel, except Steve was so detached from time and he had
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such crazy claims of like arresting the Pope and all this other shit.
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Secret arresting of the Pope.
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That's the shit, man.
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Yeah, and that can be fun.
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And Flynn can't.
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Can't.
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He can't do it.
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He doesn't have fun in his heart.
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No, it's not fun.
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It's not whimsical.
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It's not even...
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You can't even make it whimsical.
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He comes on Infowars with Papa John and it's not whimsical.
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And it's not whimsical because he's still trading off of being a general.
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It's like, fuck off.
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Yeah, he still wants to...
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Steve would want to wield actual power too, but it doesn't feel possible.
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Whereas it does feel possible for Flynn.
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It sucks.
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Yeah, it does.
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So you might've noticed that Alex had two stories that he was kind of pushing off to
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the side at the beginning of the episode.
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You have the one about the guy with the Molotov cocktail and then the other is Palantir?
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Yeah.
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What's going on there?
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What is going on with Palantir?
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Apparently not that much.
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My God, this is total madness because the Chicoms were merged with the globalists.
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The globalists wanted to sold out to China.
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They made the deal and then now China double crossed them and they got the codes to all
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the computers and the AI systems and China is the giant elephant.
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Israel's got main control of the telecoms and a bunch of the NSA switches.
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MI6 is heavily involved and all I hear about is Palantir.
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Palantir.
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The liberals talk about it all day because they want you to think about that when you
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think about a surveillance grid because Palantir, Trump is trying to hire to spy on the deep
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state so that he can understand what all the grids are.
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And I'm not saying Palantir is some angel.
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He's a big liberal.
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Oh, he helped fund the system to surveil and crush the right wing.
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Oh, his greatest fear is Christian nationalist throwing him off a roof.
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No, I'm not lionizing Palantir.
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Palantir is tiny.
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Yeah, it's running Israel's AI that's running around killing people.
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I'm sorry?
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All this stuff is there.
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So if the A plot of this episode is General Flynn's talking points about the attack in
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Russia, then the B plot is how everyone should stop worrying so much about Palantir.
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News had just broken that Palantir was in talks with the Trump administration to create
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a database of US citizens, which is exactly the kind of thing that Alan has spent his
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entire career screaming about.
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Representatives of the administration had claimed that they just want to eliminate data
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silos where different departments of the government have access to different information about
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you.
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Sure.
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They want to centralize all that information in one place for efficiency.
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That's good.
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That's good.
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I like that.
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That's cool.
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I like to hear that.
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Information silos in terms of the government are a really good thing for the sake of protecting
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your privacy.
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The government isn't supposed to collect information from you except when they really need to.
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Like the IRS getting tax returns or Medicare getting medical documents.
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An office like the IRS has no business with your medical records, so obviously disclosing
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that stuff to that office is a violation of your basic right to privacy.
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This is really elementary liberty stuff, so it's glaring to see Alex on the side of this
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issue that he is.
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The other basic piece of this is that the government, if they merge all of that data
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together, it becomes a lot less secure in terms of hackers.
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It becomes a MacGuffin.
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It becomes the God's Eye from Fast and Furious.
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It's already hacked.
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So Alex is in a really bad spot here because he's been promoting or minimizing Palantir
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lately because the Trump administration had been working with them to create a database
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of undocumented immigrants in order to help speed up deportations.
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This is something that Alex should have opposed on principle, but as we've discovered in his
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recent career, those principles he pretended to have were just an act.
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This was the Trump administration expanding the surveillance of police states, two things
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that are the bedrock of Alex's career, but he was fine because Alex knew that it wasn't
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going to hurt people that are like him.
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It's only going to hurt people he doesn't care about.
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Now it's coming out that Trump wants to consolidate all of this information that the government
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has about citizens, and Trump is getting some serious backlash from the right wing base.
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This is a bad move on Trump's part, and because it's getting this kind of heat, Alex feels
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the need to weigh in, and he's chosen the absolute worst angle he can have.
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Alex has made multiple documentaries with the title Police State.
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He can't just come out and say that Palantir is okay because they're not that big of a
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company.
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They had revenues of almost $3 billion last year, so it sounds like this is some mom and
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pop outfit, and Alex needs to cut that shit right off.
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I tried pretty hard to resist the sellout label in general, because a lot of times Alex's
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shifting positions can be explained in other ways, but this is impossible.
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I dare say that I've listened to more of this guy's show than most people on this planet,
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and there's no way that I believe that Alex Jones, who started Infowars, could possibly
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reach the point where he's defending a company like Palantir, creating a database of US citizens,
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without him having some motivation to reach that point.
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I don't know if it's desperation or if he's given up, but there's no way that this position
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on this core issue changes like this organically.
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Doing things like supporting Trump or getting on board with Elon, those were wrong decisions
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for him to make, but they can be made sense of in Alex's world.
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This cannot make sense without Alex abandoning a belief in the right to privacy, and I think
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that's bullshit.
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I don't think that there's any way that he can get there without core denials of what
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his thing is built on.
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Yeah, no.
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We, as fundamental as America, the idea is, the thing that we can all agree on, regardless
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of your specifics about government, is that we're not housing soldiers.
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The Third Amendment stands.
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That is fundamentally ... There's a separation between us and the government, and now it
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feels like the government does not respect that separation at all.
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That's a problem.
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I think that living in a modern world requires updating some ideas that we have about privacy,
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but this isn't one of them.
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This is not a complicated thing.
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It's fascinating to me because I don't think it's possible to convince me that Palantir
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should exist.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I understand the argument for why it can't be like just, I don't know, shot with a laser.
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I understand that conversation, but there's no reason that you could give me that would
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be like, oh, well, obviously Palantir has a purpose in this world that isn't evil.
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I don't fully agree with you, only because there are positive things that their software
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and platforms facilitate.
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We'll talk about a little bit of that later on, but it can't be allowed to exist the way
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that it does.
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That's for sure.
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In terms of logistic softwares and platforms, I don't know if they are inherently like,
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we got to get rid of them.
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I don't know if there's no reason for it to exist.
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There's reason for those to exist, but not for Palantir to exist.
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Maybe.
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Maybe.
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That's my point here.
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Palantir, the people, the business should not exist.
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What it makes can exist.
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What I'm saying is basically the same.
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It can't exist the way that it does, but the underlying product that it has created, someone
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else would create most likely.
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This kind of stuff really gets under my skin because while Alex was often wrong about the
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stories he covered and was almost always making things up, his underlying concerns
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about surveillance and privacy are valid points that someone should be stressing.
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Someone like Alex should exist for that kind of reason, but when you see the things that
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he's willing to betray now, you realize that a large part of the reason that we never got
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a decent person like Alex is because Alex was squatting on that real estate in the alternative
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media at a critical time in the development of new technologies.
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When I hear Alex hand wave away concerns about Palantir, it bothers me because in those
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moments I can see what was possible and how Alex represents a generational failure of
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counterculture.
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This is such an indictment of the missed opportunity that Alex pretended to be.
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That is a really interesting point of view on it.
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The idea that were it not for the cuckoo of Alex in the nest, it was possible for a real
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person to take that spot.
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We only know that now.
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as it were, because I think that the actions
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of someone who wasn't full of shit and Alex probably looked fairly similar in 1996.
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I think that would be the interesting parallel reality to switch those two out.
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Would it be that the fundamental characteristics that made this person real in the way that
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we would want them to be also would keep them from becoming a media empire in the way that
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Alex did?
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It is because Alex was willing to give up everything that he became the thing that it is.
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Yeah, I think that's a fascinating area that will be exciting to study once his story is over.
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Sure.
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Once we can study his brain.
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CTE could be a big thing for everybody.
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Or once he's in jail and I have to Clarice Starling him like Hannibal.
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Oh man, that would be fun.
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That would be a fun development for later in life.
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I think it's obviously you'll never be able to prove a counterfactual kind of thing.
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I think that you go back and you watch him in Waking Life and you can't really tell the
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difference between that and a guy who doesn't mean it.
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Yeah.
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It's really hard.
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Yeah, no.
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I mean, that's...
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, I was reading about...
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I guess it'll come up again because fuck it.
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The Yale Debate Club and all of that shit and just the emptiness of all of their words.
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How they don't care or mean anything.
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They're simply there.
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They're simply a tool that they're using to obtain what they want.
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It doesn't mean anything about the argument.
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So like, sure, Alex Buckley, they don't care what they say.
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It's just a tool for obtaining shit.
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Yeah.
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And for Buckley, in the debate, the debate, the point is what's important in that context.
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For Alex, it's the narrative.
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Yep.
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It's this storyline that supersedes everything around it.
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Everything is negotiable, essentially.
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So it's a bummer.
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And I think that Alex trying to minimize and be like,
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Hey, everybody, calm down about Palantir is fucking insane.
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That's ridiculous.
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I think it is an indictment.
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Yeah.
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And he is on this tip.
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My point is, is that all this hype about Palantir comes out of the Young Turks and out of the
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New York Times.
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And I see almost everybody in Patriot media spending half their time on Palantir.
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And it's because you aren't informed.
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You don't know all the pieces.
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You're not real scholars.
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Like I should ask Flynn.
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I know what he'd say.
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And it's not because Alex Karp never met Alex Karp, but I've known about him for 15 years.
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Know about Peter Thiel, all of that stuff.
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Peter Thiel's been backing Trump massively.
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The point is, is who else is Trump going to go to in Silicon Valley to try to surveil
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the government deep state and all the stolen money?
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Yes, that's who they're.
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So we run into a little issue here, which is based on my research.
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I'm not certain that Alex knows what Palantir is.
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Pretty much every instance I can think of outside of the recent Nick Fuentes interview
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involves Alex using the word Palantir to refer to the thing in Lord of the Rings.
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Yes, it's a crystal ball.
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So when he's used the word in the past, it's often hard to tell if he even knows what the
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company does.
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He is understanding of Peter Thiel seems to be shallow and confined to he likes Trump.
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So I sincerely don't know if Alex is playing dumb or is just that dumb.
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I could possibly believe that Alex doesn't know what Palantir does, and he's just entirely
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checked out.
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And this is only like the lazy spin that he can muster.
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But I have a problem with the teal thing.
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Alex can't really think that Palantir is a small company if he knows that Teal is behind
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it, because he's been talking about Peter Thiel since 2012.
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Yeah.
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In that election cycle, Teal was a big Ron Paul donor in the primary, which was suspicious
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because Teal had previously attended Bilderberg meetings.
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Yeah.
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When Ron Paul lost, Teal became the bad guy, and Alex spent the next stretch of his time
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arguing that he was trying to co-opt the libertarian movement on behalf of the globalists.
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He went on to even have this conversation in 2012 with a caller.
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Hannah in Canada, you're on the air.
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Go ahead.
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Hey, how are you?
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Handsome.
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Ooh, I'm having a heart attack today.
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What's on your mind?
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I can see that the only thing that I have to say is about the whole Ron Paul and Rand
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Paul thing.
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My feeling is in my husband's feeling is imagine they did all this campaigning just to see
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who's on the opposition, basically, who is part of the resistance.
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And now they're planning and had basically to put us down.
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Well, that's what they say.
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Peter Thiel, the Bilderberg, has bragged that he supported Paul just to map with computers
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who everybody is to then understand how to target them politically.
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And I, yeah, yeah, oh my God.
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If this was some 20-year mole operation, that has to be looked at now.
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That's what I mean.
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That's why I'm so sick about this.
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We have to open up an entire research operation now.
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Alex's conspiracies about Peter Teal involved him running companies that wanted to harvest
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your data for nefarious purposes going back 13 years to the point where he was ready to
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be like, oh, maybe Ron Paul's a fucking mole.
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Yep.
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Over time, Alex softened on Teal and began to cast him as the guy who went to Bilderberg,
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but he wanted to change things from the inside.
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Apparently someone had told Alex that Teal was a fan of the show and his opinion began
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to change pretty quick with Alex giving him an almost hands-off treatment when he became
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a major Trump donor.
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What you gonna do?
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I don't know this for sure, but I think it might've been Max Keiser who told Alex that
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Teal was a fan because they're both involved in Bitcoin and have an overlap from that.
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But like, this is insane.
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I like the idea that Alex has become the place you go to for like indulgences.
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You know, like, you know, it used to be the Borgias.
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If you were rich, you'd be like, Hey, I fucked a, you know, but I'll give you a thousand
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dollars and I still get to go to heaven.
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Like Palantir's like, I get we're evil, but if we pay Alex a million dollars, we're cool.
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He'll run interference with the weirdos.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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We still get to go to heaven.
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He will clear the path from all of the dot connecting people by convincing them not to
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connect dots over here.
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I don't know if that's the case.
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Now it's Wences is going to nail the 95 theses onto the Info Wars door.
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I want to be totally clear about this.
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I don't have any solid reason to think that Palantir's paying Alex or anything like that.
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I'm theoreticalizing.
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Yeah.
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I just want people to not like necessarily come away with the impression that that's
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what I'm saying.
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No, no, no.
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This is not a conspiracy that you're, you're building out of nothing.
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It's just like, this is a, this is a crazy development.
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There isn't a conspiracy here.
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It's just fucking suspicious behavior.
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Yeah.
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It's about as suspicious as it gets.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, he's a, he wants to minimize this stuff.
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Really, really painted in a different light than maybe you would normally take it.
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Elon's not involved in this golden dome thing that they're trying to give the contract to
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Palantir and the military industrial complex is pissed because Palantir is the Johnny come
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lately.
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And that doesn't mean that it's not a problem.
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My God, all of it.
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I mean, you look at Sentinel, the Pentagon's AI, you look at Google's AI, Microsoft's AI.
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Grok is basically like Bill Gates.
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Now I'm not saying for math or science, it's really good for that.
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What?
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But I mean, you know, it's, it's, it goes with tortoise sources and that's the New York
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Times, the Washington Post and probably law center.
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I mean, you know, Grok basically disagrees with everything Elon Musk says.
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Grok came out and was attacking me and Musk and everybody.
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Oh no, Bono never stole any money.
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He never got USAID money.
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Oh no, just groups that USAID gave to gave to him.
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Bono gives less than 1%.
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Now it's a little bit above 1%, 1.2% to all this money he raises for the UN.
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I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it, Joe Rogan comes out and criticizes him because he says,
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oh, Elon Musk has killed 300,000 people at Doge made up, not even a real study.
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USAID doesn't even involved in food except for PR.
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A doesn't even mean aid.
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It means development.
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I mean, develop the way they want to show.
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Yeah, they're not even involved in food.
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Wild.
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So it seems like Alex thinks that Palantir is just an AI, like Grok, which is troubling.
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Yeah.
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It feels like Alex knows that he's on such unstable ground on this subject that he's
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desperately looking for anything else to talk about.
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Like how Rogan talked shit about Bono.
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This to me is a man who is on a bad foundation.
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I mean, it's so, it's so wrong.
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It's suspicious.
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Right?
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Like if you're doing a true false quiz and you get zero, that's suspicious.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Just the law of averages would make you think.
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Yeah.
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You can, you have to know what you're doing to get a zero.
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Yeah.
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Well, and like the fact that he's been aware of Palantir as a company, he's been aware
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of Peter Thiel for 13 years.
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Yeah.
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Um, you can't really play ignorance.
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They're knowingly called Palantir.
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Right.
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Not a good thing.
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Yeah.
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And numerous people that are, you know, Alex associated over the years have been very clear
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about opposition to Palantir.
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Yeah.
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Alex has been less, uh, you know, he's less, uh, engaged in that necessarily, but like,
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he knows.
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He can't play dumb.
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Like, there's a lot of stuff that I believe he can plausibly just pretend.
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I don't know that.
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Yeah.
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You can't do that here, which is weird.
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It makes the actions more suspicious.
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Yes.
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And then I think another element that we've already seen a little bit of, and we get more
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of, uh, that's even that adds to that suspiciousness is how hostile he is towards people who are
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like, Hey, Palantir's bad news.
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It's just extremely frustrating.
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I mean, and what I love hearing about Palantir, almost everything I hear in people's mouths
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is pure crap, absolute crap.
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And you heard Flynn, AI runs everything and it ain't Palantir.
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Trump wants them to scan it for illegal aliens and all the rest of it.
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And of course it's real ID back from the Patriot Act era.
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And I have guests on and we, we are, we are trying to inform Trump, but my point is,
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what is your point to be spending time on the big AI systems that are in and China's AI
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and all the stuff jacked into everything, because that's already going on.
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That's already happening.
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What do you think Palantir ran the vaccine passport systems?
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No, they've already got it through these UN affiliates with Microsoft.
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So you can be opposed to Chinese AI, Microsoft and Palantir all at the same time.
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It's very weird how Alex doesn't seem to think that's possible.
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This behavior is really sketchy.
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The way that Alex is scolding the audience for being worried about Palantir.
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Even if I knew very little about this situation, I would see this.
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And the way he's acting would look really suspicious.
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Yeah.
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Incidentally, Palantir was awarded a government contract beginning in 2020 to build a platform
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called Tiberius, which according to their own press release was quote, a software platform
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the HHS uses to track vaccine production, distribution and administration across the
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United States.
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It was a giant part of the vaccine rollout.
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In 2022, the CDC partnered with Palantir and their Tiberius program, which they called
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quote, the digital operating system for the US public health response to the pandemic.
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Later that year, Palantir received a five year $443 million contract to bring together
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the multiple existing platforms that they provided for the Department of Health and
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Human Services under one functional umbrella.
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So when you're talking about like, why do they need to exist?
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There's stuff like this.
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Like in terms of facilitating the vaccine rollout and shit like that, their platforms
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are useful in those contexts.
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So there are these positive things.
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I still don't think that they should exist as they exist.
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They certainly shouldn't exist as one large company that has all of these sort of tendrils
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going in different places.
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You know, they're not all evil.
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All right.
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So imagine.
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How do we how do we get here?
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All right.
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So COVID, the disease, called Alex up in 2019 and was like, you got to work for us.
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Here's what we'll pay you.
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Right.
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Palantir could do the same thing.
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And they're real.
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Mm hmm.
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Right.
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He may have made up a conversation with COVID where they paid him a lot of money.
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And that's why he decided to work for them.
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But this this is insane.
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Yeah.
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This is this is as insane as being like diseases are great.
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Yeah.
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I don't I don't think that I personally feel like I'm comfortable suggesting that Alex
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is on their payroll or anything like that.
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But I don't think that you can hear shit like this from someone who is Alex Jones and not
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immediately know he's lying.
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Yeah.
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And then you have to ask yourself the question, why is he lying?
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Yep.
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What the fuck is going on here?
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And I I don't think that the only answer is Peter Thiel bought him off or something like
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that.
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Sure.
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I think that a perfectly valid suggestion might be he hopes Peter Thiel will pay him
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off.
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I mean, yeah.
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Or, you know, that that could be I don't know.
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There's other suggestions.
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Like he worked.
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He worked for obviously he didn't work for COVID, but he worked for COVID because there
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was money in it for him.
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Yeah.
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You know, like that's what it was.
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That's what it was there for.
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If he's working for Palantir now again, a figure of speech in the same way that he wasn't actually
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working for COVID, then it has to be there's something.
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Yeah.
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There's something for him.
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There's something that he can get and extract from this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's in the same way that, like, it makes sense for him to cheerlead for Musk, even
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if Musk isn't giving him anything.
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Right.
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There's the potential of like there could be some money in this down the road.
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Yeah.
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And that that exists with Palantir too.
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I don't I it's it's nuts.
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This is crazy.
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His entire career makes this presentation unacceptable.
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Yep.
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And it makes me stand by my theory that if George W. Bush had just been a little bit
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more racist, Alex would have been thrilled with the Patriot Act would have been totally
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fine with it.
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Use it to use it to round up all of the terrorists.
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You never would have had a problem if he had a confidence that the person in the White
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House was really worried about white genocide.
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It is it is interesting.
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It is interesting that point of view, because you say to yourself, you know, the obvious
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narrative is this is the reaction to Obama.
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You know that Trump, obviously, there's a one to one.
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You can see the cause and effect.
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But imagine what we're dealing with now is actually a reaction to the compassionate conservatism
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movement.
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All of those people looking at the people right next to him going compassion.
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What?
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Get the fuck out of there.
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Yeah.
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You know, that makes sense.
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So Alex, you know, he's like, hey, man, everyone's all up in arms about Palantir.
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Yeah.
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Why?
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That is a I mean, not a good question.
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Where is this hysteria coming from?
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It's my point is, is that where did all the Palantir craze come from?
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The Palantir scare the Palantir hysteria.
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This is why I thought the Democrats were going to lose the election.
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Why they did, because people want to live in peace.
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They want to go home.
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They want to hear.
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They don't hear your woke pagan ideology.
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They want to know you're safe.
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And I've got carp.
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You know, the quotes I quoted, I've got videos of him saying all that.
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Oh, I helped crush the right wing in Europe and all this.
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Well, here's Marco Rubio.
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Globalist EU forcing hate speech laws on Irish given two months to comply.
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Marco Rubio declares war on global censors from threatening tariffs show.
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Overall, Trump's doing a great job, but but but A.I. is here.
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OK, so the Palantir scare came from reporting that the Trump administration was working with
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them to create a database of U.S. citizens, which tons of people from all political sides
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were not happy about.
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Yeah.
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Alex can pretend that this is some kind of manufactured hysteria or psyop all he wants,
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but that dog is not going to hunt.
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Um, I think that it's good for him to jump off into another subject like Marco Rubio
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and censorship.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there's it really doesn't get more obvious than, oh, we're going to make a database
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of illegal immigrants.
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You're probably going to use that responsibly, I assume.
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Sure.
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And we're also going to make one of you.
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Oh, that's hmm.
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I think, OK, if I think you're going to use one irresponsibly, I'm going to go out on
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a limb and say maybe you can't use any responsibly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you can't use it responsibly.
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There's no reason for it to exist.
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Oh, and other than to use it irresponsibly.
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Yeah.
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And the creation of it introduces a ton of externalities that could come about that are
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really dangerous.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, we're on their team.
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They seem nice.
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Fucking stupid.
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So look, Palantir is an A.I.
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It's scary, but other A.I.s are scarier.
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I guess that makes sense somewhere.
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Not really.
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No.
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Overall, Trump's doing a great job.
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But but but but A.I. is here and there's an A.I. race.
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And so the answer is independent A.I.s, true open A.I.s, not Sam Altman's fake open A.I.
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And all of it's being programmed, it seems, by the same evil force, because it all goes
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the same direction because the globalists are all fighting with each other over the
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Ring of Mordor.
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But nobody wants to destroy the Ring of Mordor.
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Nobody wants to get rid of the Palantir.
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Keep using Lord of the Rings analogies.
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So you really don't know what you do.
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I'll get more into that later.
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It's just mind blowing.
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How truly illiterate people are.
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I mean, do people even know what the Pentagon's A.I. is?
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No.
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Do you know about Sentinel?
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It'll make Palantir look like a pop gun.
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So Palantir is trying to bid and trying to get deeper in and trying to get more power.
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And that's why you hear about how it's the devil everywhere.
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Show that it can't get its nose in the trough.
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And I'm not even saying have the trough.
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I'm saying no.
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Why you hear Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir,
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Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir.
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Palantir.
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Because you're being around by the nose by the big globalist A.I. systems that are mad
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that Trump's trying to bring in Palantir more.
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So this is just something I can't believe Alex would put out without knowing he's lying.
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It's implausible to think that he could be this clueless about what's supposed to be
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like his big issue.
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It would be I cannot believe it.
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Yeah.
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I cannot believe it.
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There is a there's a level of stupidity and laziness that I can ascribe a lot of things
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to.
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I don't find it plausible to put this in that in that case.
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I even even if there was all the proof in the world, you know, that this was a truly
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stupid and I still won't believe it.
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I simply cannot believe it because practically speaking, he has to know.
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Yeah, it's a lie or a prank.
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It's a little bit it's a little bit like the the the fucking business representative.
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I understand maybe you personally don't know, but your info wars, you have to know.
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Yeah, you have to.
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Yeah, I think that Alex on June 2nd could pretend not to know, but the past he has lived
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his past.
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Yeah.
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He cannot not know this stuff.
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Exactly.
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As himself.
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You were alive.
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Yeah.
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If we just are completely like, hey, maybe nothing outside the present moment is real.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Then sure.
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Yes.
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I'll go with you on it.
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If we remove all of the past and future.
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If object permanence does not exist.
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Right.
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Then you're cool.
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Let's take solipsism further than anybody had ever imagined it could be.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's also Sentinel is an AI powered platform that's run by Microsoft, which is built for
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security and cloud based networks.
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Alex is confusing this with the Pentagon Sentinel program, which is a modernization of our intercontinental
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ballistic missile.
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Sure.
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So I don't again, you might just be pretty fucking stupid and not know what a lot of
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this stuff is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think if there was one thing that I was doing, if I was Alex, it would be trying to
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position myself as the leader of the Butlerian Jihad.
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You know, let's take them all out.
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No way I left.
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No way I ever.
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Right.
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Make no machine in the thinking mind of, you know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's what Alex should be.
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That's the tip he should be on.
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Yep.
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There's like, oh, they just don't want the Palantir coming to the trough.
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No, break the fucking trough.
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Yep.
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Like he's using the Ring of Mordor analogies.
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I think that book could not be clearer.
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Gotta destroy that fucking ring.
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Gotta destroy it.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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It is not ambiguous.
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Nope.
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So Alex's take on this should be fucking destroy them all unless you have evil intentions that
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you're trying to mask.
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I don't know.
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I'll tell you what, the lesson of the book is not like, maybe you should just leave the
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ring at the bottom of the river.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's not it.
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Find someone cool to give the ring to.
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Not how it works.
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Maybe someone who's racist enough for your tastes.
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No, no, can't do it.
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Can't do it.
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Galadriel can't even do it.
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So Trump is doing a lot of great stuff.
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Sure.
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Alex seems to be bringing up a lot of stuff that he's not doing great on, but he's doing
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great.
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I haven't heard anybody bring up anything he's doing great on.
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Oh, well, get ready for a counter example of something he's not doing so great on.
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Okay.
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So we're seeing a lot of good out of the Trump administration, but also some of the state
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Republicans with Democrats in Florida and New York passing are close to passing laws
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that throw you in prison for anti-Israel speech.
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That is un-American.
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You should be able to have a Hamas flag.
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You'd be one if you're an American citizen.
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Now, if you're here, some leftist being paid for by taxpayer money, ship their asses out.
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Had too many foreigners here.
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They've been brought in here and turned against the country.
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But.
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This is a serious situation, obviously.
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So that's the bottom line.
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Because Stone Cold said so.
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I mean.
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So it really seems like Alex should be more angry about the idea that there are states
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that that he thinks are making it illegal to criticize Israel.
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Isn't he a free speech guy?
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Seems very important to him.
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It's nice that he thinks you should be allowed to have a Hamas flag, but he doesn't seem
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nearly as passionate about defending the first amendment as he is about defending Palantir.
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This is crazy.
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It is weird.
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This is a weird day.
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He should be throwing shit about the idea that you could go to jail for criticizing Israel.
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This is I mean.
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Yeah.
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It's it's so uncomplicated.
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Yeah.
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It's it's leaning towards my territory where people are like, oh, Jordan, things are black
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and white with you always.
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Uh, sometimes.
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How about maybe this one's black and white, Bo?
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There's there's a lot less ambiguity around where Alex's position should certainly be.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I do think it's fun that Alex believes that if you're on a student visa and you're
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legally in the United States, you should not be allowed to have left leaning politics.
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I mean, all of all of what he just said was negated whenever he's like, well, yeah, some
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people shoot him out of here.
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Get about it.
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Too many foreigners.
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Listen, here's what happens.
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I understand what you think you're saying, but what you're actually saying is that everybody
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should come to you on an individual case by case basis as to whether or not they are sufficiently
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loyal enough to stay or leave based on your personal weird ass metrics.
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Yeah.
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Of course you don't believe that.
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I think he does.
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Of course.
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But he's an idiot.
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Yeah.
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I think I think he emotionally believes.
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Exactly.
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I think that it would end up leading to so many situations where he would not be able
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to defend it.
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Right.
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It's emotionally satisfying to be like, yeah, students shouldn't have free speech.
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If you're in our country.
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It is it is so funny to me how often people who hate the government making bureaucracies
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make huge pronouncements that would require a massive bureaucracy to oversee and implement.
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But here's the thing.
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Yeah.
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It wouldn't if you just don't let anyone in there.
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You go.
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It would only require a massive bureaucracy to keep people out.
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Oh, sure.
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But isn't that fun?
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That is fun.
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That is a more fun bureaucracy to make.
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Yeah, you're right.
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So Alex has another guest on the show.
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OK.
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I thought this was shit.
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We have Victor Boot.
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Very famous businessman and soldier arms dealer Russia to give the Russian perspective on
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the Russian Pearl Harbor that happened yesterday.
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Yeah, that's cool.
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That's a that's the guest you'd want to get.
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You know, we want to hear the Russian the rational Russian voice.
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Let's get notorious arms dealer international criminal Victor Boot on the fucking show.
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I'm not saying that we wouldn't we still would have been very angry
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at Pearl Harbor if we were already at war.
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Yeah, but far less surprised.
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Right.
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Sure.
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And it would probably be more like we have fucked up in allowing this to happen as opposed
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to those fuckers took us by surprise.
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Let's go apeshit.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how Russia could pretend to not be surprised by almost any attack that Ukraine
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could make at this point.
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It would be very reasonable of them to consider the war they're in.
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And the seizing of territory, the goals of both teams are to get more non people alive
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on the other team, especially military folk.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, pretty important to them.
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Yeah.
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I think that it would be wildly different to if these were civilian targets that Ukraine
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had hit inside Russia.
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These were like planes.
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Yeah.
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If it was like a tourist destination, like that's weird.
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But you know, the conversation would be, I think, a bit different.
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And I think that there's still room within this conversation to be like, it's pretty
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fucked up.
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The, you know, it's fairly lucky from everything that I've seen that these drones were able
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to be operated as efficiently as they did.
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Sure.
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And they didn't end up killing a ton of people accidentally.
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Sure.
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That seems to happen a lot with drones.
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Right.
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And I think for that reason, it's something that we shouldn't be just giving a pass to.
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Sure.
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It's a form of warfare that's incredibly scary about the implications and all that.
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I don't not understand that or see that angle.
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It's meaningless.
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And I don't care what Victor Boot has to fucking say about any of this.
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Yeah.
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I mean, let's face it.
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If you start a war, you have to take responsibility for the war part.
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Right.
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And if you're Alex Jones, don't interview the guy who the fucking movie Lord of War
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is based on.
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I mean, like, because here's if you ask me, you know, somebody like just a regular guy,
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you know, like, hey, how do we get them to stop blowing up our planes?
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I would be like, don't be at war with them.
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Just say like, no more war, no war.
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I don't want your shit anymore.
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And then they will stop blowing you up.
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It's like so simple.
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It would work, I think.
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I think it's I think it's really good.
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Yeah.
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So I'm not going to play any of Victor Boot's interview.
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Thank you.
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I think we get what his perspective is going to be.
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Probably going to be fairly on the side of Russia.
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Yeah.
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I don't think it's going to be a well, well reasoned argument.
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So a bit later in the show, Alex comes back to the subject of Palantir.
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And I think that he can't quite figure out what he's even saying.
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Everybody's asking me about Palantir, Palantir.
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And when you look at it and you understand it.
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Palantir and the surveillance systems and the AI and all of it has been an outlier from the bigger companies.
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And it's been wanting to get big contracts.
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And Trump wants to use it to track illegal aliens and stuff.
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And the real idea that they're trying to bring in that's terrible.
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That never got implemented because it's unconstitutional.
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So I've been critical of all of that.
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And I obviously don't trust Palantir and the rest of the stuff it's doing.
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But it is small compared to all the other big AI and the Pentagon, Sentinel and all the rest of it.
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The reason you're seeing the attacks on it everywhere is because it's trying to get contracts.
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The other big tech companies already have.
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And because Palantir has been supportive of Trump.
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And so, yeah, Trump is going to them because they've been supporters.
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But all this hype about Palantir, all of these systems can be used for control.
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All these systems are out of control.
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All the AIs are woke.
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So Palantir is being used to run AI drones, killing people in Gaza.
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All of it's very concerning.
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But why do people know about Palantir and nothing else?
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Well, that's because it comes from the left only focusing on Palantir.
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Because it's seen as something being brought in to surveil the government itself and to try to find ways for us.
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That's what Trump wants it for.
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What?
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So in just that minute and a half clip, Alex proposes two seeming contradictions.
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The first has to do with what Trump wants to use Palantir for.
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Is it for tracking immigrants or is it for some sort of globalist corruption hunt?
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Alex can't figure out what to use to justify his plea for the conspiracy audience to ignore Palantir.
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Mostly because every explanation he can come up with for what Trump wants to do with them is suspicious as hell.
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And it's pure conspiracy bait.
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If this is about tracking immigrants, then Alex's audience should know that it's only a matter of time until that's used against citizens.
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That's the entire premise of his fight against gun registration.
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Or the thing that he's very stupidly reminding the audience about in this episode, the real ID.
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If it's about internal spying inside the government, then that picture is pretty dictator-ish.
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So you can see that Alex has to dance around this and keep it a bit vague as to why Trump wants this.
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Because all of the explanations lead back to Trump looking pretty shitty.
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I mean, yeah.
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The second contradiction is the shifting explanation for why people are mad about Palantir.
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Which is an attempt to tell the audience that this whole thing's a sign up and they should refrain from making connections about this company.
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At one point, the other AI companies are mad that Palantir is getting the contracts that they want.
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So they're attacking them.
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That's all you're experiencing is these people being mad they're losing contracts.
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At another point, it's because the left is demonizing them.
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Because they're friendly to Trump.
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This is just all about attacking Trump.
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Alex is all over the place here because he's doing that thing where he's throwing a ton of spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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He has a clear point that he's pushing toward, which is getting the audience to de-prioritize making conspiracy theories about Palantir.
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He's not too picky about what works in achieving that.
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None of the particulars matter that much because Infowars is a medium that's narrative driven.
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So long as the narrative that Palantir isn't a big deal gets through to the audience, that's all that's really important.
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So he's trying whatever he can. It's scattershot.
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Yeah.
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It's suspicious!
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It reminds me of the way people behave when they've clearly been scammed out of a lot of money but are too embarrassed about it.
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Like Alex doing repeated segments about the Nigerian emails.
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You better believe it.
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Just that feeling of like, you will accept any reason, I'll say anything other than, ah shit I fucked up.
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Anything! I will say fucking anything other than just admitting for five seconds, you know what?
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We fucked up on this one.
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We thought this thing was gonna work and it didn't work so now we'll do a different thing.
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Can't do it.
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Cannot do it.
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Yeah. I can't hear this as anything other than Alex really putting on a show.
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Yeah.
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I don't think that this can be consistent with what he's preached.
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Yeah.
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I don't... and that's the part that really frustrates me is that like Alex's show is about
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creating connections between things that aren't connected.
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He's trained the audience and the entire like exercise and media criticism and news coverage
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is to connect unconnected things to prop up narratives that are advantageous for him.
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So when he's actively discouraging the audience from making connections about something.
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Yeah.
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That it kind of sticks out like a sore thumb.
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It doesn't mean that that is a conspiracy in and of itself.
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Yeah.
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Or that there's a connection that needs to be built there.
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Yeah.
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But your brain definitely craves an explanation for why he's acting like this.
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Yeah. Like I can't imagine a situation...
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Like maybe contextually he could like suss it out now.
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But I imagine if he was like Clockwork Orange to Endgame, his own fucking movie,
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and just had to watch it from start to finish.
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And I know that's a long three and a half hours or whatever it is.
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Infinity time.
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And then to have like me read an exact transcript of what he just said.
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There's no way he could be like, ah, I'm on that guy's team.
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Right?
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It couldn't be possible.
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No.
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And then you reveal dramatically, ha ha ha.
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These are your words.
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Yeah.
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This is the end of the path that you have decided to follow, where you chase clout,
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you chase profit, you chase all of this stuff in opposition to maintaining the principles
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that you pretended to base your career on.
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This is the inevitable outcome of you being full of shit.
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And I think that would be a crazy kind of hell to have to live in.
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It feels like rather than reading 1984 or like Brave New World, he should have read
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more Faust.
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Should have just really focused on those devil's bargains.
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Like just mainly devil's bargain based literature should have been his pure focus.
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I'm sure he'd just be like, I already did this.
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I don't need to read this dumb book.
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Nope.
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But that's the thing about learning.
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So you have one last clip here.
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And Alex is doing more rationalization for, uh, yeah, just leave Palantir alone.
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That's fine.
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Jesus.
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Trump admin tasks Palantir with expanding US surveillance state and the New York Times
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and all of them are all over it.
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Palantir's deepening government ties sparked fears of centralized surveillance.
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And you've got the owner of it, the CEO of it with all his statements about crushing
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the right wing in Europe and all the rest of it.
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I got serious concerns.
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It's just that endless hyping about it and only focusing on it is coming out of the left
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and the populist anti globalist movement has taken it absolutely hook, line and sinker.
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So Alex's premise here is sneaky.
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The basic idea you're supposed to get as a viewer is that Palantir may not be the best
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and yeah, maybe the head of it said he wanted to crush the right wing in Europe.
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They're not as bad as some of these other companies like Google.
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It's an appeal to the lesser of two evils argument, which seems to be increasingly the
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only way that Alex can justify anything.
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The argument Alex is making is meant to obscure the fact that what he's proposing is a false
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choice.
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It's not the case that we're choosing between Google or Palantir to create a centralized
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database of citizens that breaks down the information silos that serve to protect our
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privacy.
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If it were an inevitable reality that this was something that was going to be made, then
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maybe we should quibble about what contractor the government uses.
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But the point the other side is making is that this doesn't need to happen.
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All of these companies can be good or bad.
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It doesn't matter because this is a thing that we're not going to accept.
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That's the position you'd expect someone like Alex to have.
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And yet his main priority seems to be arguing against people who hold that position.
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When Alex used to say that he was above the left-right paradigm, part of what he meant
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is that the media and government was presenting people with a false choice.
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They were acting like a world government was inevitable, so it was just a matter of choosing
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between a left-wing appearance or a right-wing appearance and how that government looked.
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Alex transcended this false choice by trying to wake you up out of the trance, so you could
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see that the world government wasn't inevitable, and the globalists only wanted you to think
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that so you wouldn't realize the true choice you had, which was to reject world government
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and embrace liberty.
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Or not.
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Those were the choices you had.
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You're given a false choice to make their conclusion inevitable.
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It was a fun and compelling sales pitch, but ultimately it's a bunch of bullshit, and
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you can easily see Alex is using the same tactics against his audience that the imaginary
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enemies he has used to use against them.
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He's presenting the expansion of the surveillance state as an inevitable thing that's going
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to happen.
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Tyranny is inevitable, so let's make sure it's a friendly face that we have controlling
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that tyranny.
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What I'm saying is that I don't believe it's possible that he doesn't understand what he's
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doing.
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I don't want to get too deep in any conspiracy theory waters of my own, so I don't want to
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say he's getting paid off by Palantir or Peter Thiel, but this behavior is too much of an
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outlier.
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It's not explainable by coincidence.
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It's not explainable by mere stupidity or unawareness.
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Here's my best evidence, right?
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The laziest possible thing he could do is just say like, yeah, they suck.
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You know?
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Like, he's putting in effort, and I don't see him put in effort unless he's getting
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paid for it.
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And this is where things also get really weird.
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Since he's been back on Twitter, so much of what he does is just go along with what the
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hot topic is in the dumb right wing Twitter space.
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And a lot of those figures are pretty mad about this idea that Trump is working with
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Palantir to create a database of citizens.
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Yeah, because it's obvious.
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So Alex is going against the grain of a lot of the Twitter momentum that he normally follows,
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which again makes this an outlier.
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It's an inconvenient position for him to have.
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The laziest thing to do is be like, yeah, they suck.
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And it's the laziest thing to do within his own ideology is to go, yeah, fuck those guys,
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or just dismiss them entirely as not having any importance.
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Like, if his argument is they're too small, then here's how you make that argument.
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Yeah, fuck them.
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Who cares?
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They're too small, right?
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You don't go like, they're too small.
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Also, here's another thousand reasons why I think that they are ridiculous.
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People complaining about it are your illiterate idiots.
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To then push it back upon the person who's very obviously saying the right thing as being
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an idiot.
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Insane.
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Yeah, to have that kind of a response to someone expressing the fundamental privacy and surveillance
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concerns that your career is based on is glaring.
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It's absurd.
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Yeah.
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And I don't know what to do with these feelings because I honestly have no evidence and nothing
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strong to go on or any even like, my heart doesn't even necessarily feel like Alex is
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on some kind of payroll.
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Sure.
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I legitimately don't.
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And I don't want people to walk away with that impression.
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Sure.
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But I do think that this is a behavior that is indicative of Alex's...
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He's not himself.
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Like, to whatever degree he ever was.
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Right, right, right, right.
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I mean, it is a blow to the belief that things happen in response to something.
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If this is just a random...
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Like, if it's maybe just randomness dominates the universe and so anything can happen at
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any given point in time, which is fine.
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But this would be so ridiculous.
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This is getting struck by lightning 18 times in a row on a Tuesday, the same Tuesday every
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year for 18 straight years.
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Yeah, but given the infinite of the...
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Infiniteness of the universe, that's not impossible.
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It's not impossible.
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That's fine.
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But if it happens, I'm going to say that it's not just randomness.
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That's what I'm gonna do.
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And I think it's okay for you to hold that position a little bit stronger than me, but...
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Sure.
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I need a bit more evidence, but I do think that this is shady.
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It stinks.
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Yep.
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It stinks!
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And I think that it's something that we're gonna have to...
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No, it lives in the background of our brain.
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Yeah.
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Like Alex killed Gene Hackman.
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This is something that is going to have to live there as we see what the fuck happens.
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What the fuck's going on?
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As these connections and alliances break down with Musk and Trump and Putin, what variable
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is...
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You're kind of supportive of Palantir.
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Yep.
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It's weird.
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So let's see, what month is it?
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Early June?
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Wow.
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I don't know if it's a surprise that they lasted this long or that it's falling apart
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this fast.
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I think it's both.
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I think it's both.
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It's a little bit of both, isn't it?
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So we'll check back in and see where Alex is at, see if he starts doing commercials
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for Palantir.
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Why not?
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Leo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
