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(instrumental music plays) Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.
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Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.
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Red alert. Kn-kn-kn-kn-kn-know- know- know- know- know- know- Knowledge Fight. (gagging sounds) Dan
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and Jordan, I am sweating. (gagging sounds) knowledgefight.com. It's time to pray.
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I
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have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good
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guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.
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Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.
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Red alert. Red
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alert. Red alert. (gags) I need, I need money.
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(gags) Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Andy in Kansas.
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Andy in K- Andy in- Stop it. Andy in Kan- Andy in Kansas. A-
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An- And- Andy- It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a frequent caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Kn-kn-kn-kn-kn-kn-kn-kn-kn-kn-knowledgefight.com.
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(gags) I love you.
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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple of dudes that like to sit around and worship at the altar of Celene
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jor-dan.
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Quick question for you.
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'Sup?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today, I need your help with.
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Okay.
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Because it begins with a question.
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All right.
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What do you know about this guy, uh, de- this cat, uh, Post Malone? What do you know about this guy?
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What do I know about him?
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Yeah.
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I know nothing about him.
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Really?
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I know he did the song for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
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Okay.
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Uh, which was, uh, my favorite movie maybe of all time.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh, that's it. The end. That's all I know about Post Malone.
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I recognize that he's a giant star.
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Super huge.
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But I also realized the other day, I know nothing about him past a vibe.
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Sure.
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I don't know what his music sounds like.
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He's got a vibe.
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I have legitimately no idea. I assume he's a rapper, right?
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No, I think he's a singer guy. He's got a good voice.
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I don't know anything.
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All right.
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So, what prompted this-
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Uh-huh.
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... is I was walking through the store, and I saw that he had a new Oreo out.
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(laughs) Oh, my God.
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He, he had designed an Oreo.
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All right.
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A Post Malone Oreo.
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Right.
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And I was like, I've, I don't know what this Oreo's gonna be like. I don't know what his
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music would lead me to think it would be like.
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Yeah.
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Um, and so I got them because I wanted to try it.
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Yeah.
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Now, as I was staring at the packaging-
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Mm-hmm.
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... I thought, "Wouldn't it be fun to listen to his music for the first time while I ate the Oreo?"
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(laughs)
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(laughs) To like, have a full Post Malone experience.
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To just really Post M- to, like, make up
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for his, all the non-Post Malone time
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by cramming as much Post Malone into as short a period of time as possible.
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Well, and what if-
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Like you were taking a test tomorrow on Post Malone.
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Well, and what, what if, like, ooh, s- the, something about the Oreo is unlocked by the song-
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Of course.
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... or the music?
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You never know.
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Maybe I have to understand it in order to get the cookie.
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We are just chemicals floating in space.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So it didn't, it didn't help me understand the cookie at all.
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No.
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It kind of-
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Not the cookie.
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No.
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(laughs)
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I also am confused by his music. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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Seems like there's a little bit of country stuff going on. I have no idea.
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(laughs)
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His vibe confuses me even further now.
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Right, right, right.
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I have no idea what he's all about.
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Yeah.
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I don't, I didn't dislike it or anything. I was just, I had nothing to grab onto.
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Yeah.
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And the cookie is fine. It kind of tastes a little bit like a, a pancake with syrup.
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Oh.
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That, it's-
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Huh.
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... it's salted caramel and something or other, but it, it ends up tasting
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altogether a little bit like a pancake.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so it's not awful, but it's, you know, it's, it's far from the worst Oreo that I've had.
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I was, I'm, I'm, here's where my head's at, two places. One, uh, is it
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Post Maloreo
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or Postio Malone? Which do you prefer?
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Neither.
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Neither? Wow.
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No.
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Disappointing.
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I will not think about it again after I am done with these Oreos.
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(laughs) Fair enough.
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Probably. And yeah, I don't know. It, it was a lot of Post Malone to take in-
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Yeah.
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... in one, in one, uh, swing.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Um, but I feel better for it.
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Ah. And it's fi- my second thing is celebrity branded, uh, foods now.
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Mm-hmm.
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They're everywhere.
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Yeah.
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Too much.
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Well, I think that I, I like it.
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You like it? (laughs)
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Yeah.
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People used to have sh- I mean, I don't know what's better or worse, foods or shoes.
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Well, I mean, there was, uh, forever, we've had, like, celebrity endorsed boozes-
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Sure.
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... and stuff.
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Oh, delightful.
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But I, I, I, I like-
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Vodkas.
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... the idea of trying to associate, like, uh, some snack with, uh, with a face of a celebrity.
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(laughs) Do, do you know what the one that gets me is?
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The Nicolas Cage, uh, chips?
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No, but I need to have those.
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I don't think they exist.
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Ah, shit. Uh, no, there's this-
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Nicolas Cage has his own rap snacks.
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Chipolas Cage. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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Um, uh, no, no, no, there's, uh, the YouTube guy, the MrBeast guy.
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Yeah.
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He's got the, the thing.
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Chocolate.
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And it's called a Feastable.
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Yeah.
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And it makes me so angry because I keep
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being like, it's c- you, it's called
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a MrBeastable, right? Like, what are we doing? How can you have Feastable...
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I, I tried one of those candy bars, and I thought, "What a waste." What a waste of, uh-
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Awful.
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... like, celebrity branding. It's not even, it's not taking a swing at anything.
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Hmm.
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It's just kind of boring.
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Just disgusting.
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Anyway.
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I hate it.
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What's your bright spot?
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Uh, my bright spot is, uh, we, uh, we got my dog groomed.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh, uh, not groomed to look good, groomed to
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fix all of the horrible mistakes that we've made, uh, with our life.
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Oh, not as, not as a spy?
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No, no, no, no. Uh-
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Didn't prepare it for a life of espionage?
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That's not how it worked. We didn't raise her from a child to stab things.
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Okay.
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Um, no, and I was just feeling very grateful, uh, because
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my wife's mom can do that, and Fanny needed it. She got
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mats in between her toes.
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Sure.
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And we got that taken care of.
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It'll happen, man. She's running around on the ground all the time.
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And then we brought her donuts, and I moved some stuff. Bartering, much better system.
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Oh, I thought you meant you brought the dog donuts.
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No, no, no, we brought my wife's mom some donuts.
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Okay.
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As, and, bartering is a way better system.
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Those potato donuts?
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Perfect.
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Yeah.
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Of course. I can, I can get a lot of stuff for those potato donuts.
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Sure.
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Those are prison valuable.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean?
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The only problem is, like, they don't hold too long.
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No.
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So when the collapse comes, you're gonna have a good day-
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Yeah.
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... if you have a stock of them.
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Yeah.
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But then it, it depreciates quickly.
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It's a rough, it's a rough three-day, uh, hike.
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Your barter, uh, runs out of juice.
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(laughs) If you, if you get six, you may have to eat it in a day, and that's gonna be bad for you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Did you get all three dogs groomed up?
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Uh, nope, just the, just the one who needed it.
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Okay.
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Uh, and then the other two, they did a good job staying at home by themselves.
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Well-
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We're all very happy.
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Oh, sure.
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It's good stuff.
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We're applauding that now?
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Um, yep, that's what I do.
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I stay at home by myself all the time.
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It's what I do. I-
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No one pats me on the back for it.
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I, no, I d- I actually do pat you on the back for it.
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For staying home al- (laughs)
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Yes, absolutely.
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Oh, a day you didn't pee on the rug.
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That's, it's very nice of you not to pee on the rug.
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Well, I'm considerate.
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Fa- fair enough.
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So, uh, today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over.
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Okay.
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Now, we've been slowly progressing through, uh, the time after the inauguration.
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Sure.
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On our last episode, we talked about January 29th.
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Sure.
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What do you think we're doing today?
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I u- I hope... Wait, was the 20- I'm gonna go with we're doing January 30th.
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That's a, that's an interesting theory that you have.
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Yeah.
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We are doing that.
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Hey.
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But-
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Oh, no.
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... we're also doing, uh, the evening of the 29th, because Alex did another show on the-
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No, he did not.
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(laughs) He did. So we're gonna talk about-
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Why?
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... the evening of the 29th-
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Oh my God.
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... and Alex's show on the 30th.
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Why?
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I don't kn- well, I do know.
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No. Okay.
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Roger Stone was available.
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Oh, okay.
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Um, so we'll get down to that, uh, here in a
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second. But first, uh, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Ria and Rowdy in Portland, thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you. Next, Mike from Kansas. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you. And Evil Noah, thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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Ooh.
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So thank you so much to Steve. I suggest we use Dan and Jordan to help inform the selection of our '90s
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cover bands' less popular underground songs from groups like Built to Spill and Failure.
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If they mention a song, then we know there's a market
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for it. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy w- or a technocrat.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Sharp. Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean
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black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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Trump claimed that he was gonna send just the hardened, the most hardened criminal
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immigrants to Guantanamo Bay. But unsurprisingly, that hasn't been the
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case. The folks who have been sent there so far are not, uh, even
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people with criminal records, like a lot of them, and, uh, many have hi- alleged mistreatment by
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guards including beatings, refusal to access, uh,
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showers, and not letting detainees speak to lawyers. NPR reported that some of them attempted a hunger
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strike, and it seems to me that, uh, this is a situation that can
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only get worse. And it's crystal clear, if you know anything about Alex and followed his career in
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any way, he knows better than to support this.
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I mean, yeah.
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Yeah.
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This one's Obama's fault though. I'm gonna have to put this one on Obama.
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Hmm.
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He said he was gonna close it and then he didn't close it. That's, that's on him.
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Sure, I guess.
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I mean, how is it not closed?
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So there's one thing that there's no question about-
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Mm-hmm.
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... uh, in the world. It's that Alex loves Elon.
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Yes, he does.
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Everyone does.
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Yeah.
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Uh, the world does, and he deserves prizes for how good he is.
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We have Salman Rushdie getting a prize
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for free speech from the Nobel laureates. We've had
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Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago, decades in a gulag for being anti-communist,
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and then he came over here for a while and found out the same thing that Joseph McCarthy found out,
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that
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there were
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globalists in our country who actually created the communism over there.
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Communism didn't come from Russia, it came from
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the UK and the US. I'm not bashing our country, it's just a fact.
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And it's made a joke out of the Nobel Prizes now giving Henry Kissinger and Obama
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and all these scumbags Peace Prizes for starting wars. It's like giving Hitler a ADL Award or something.
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And
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they could though get their good name back at the Nobel society
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o- of philanthropy if they
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did
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do this. Elon Musk nominated for a Nobel P-
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Prize, Peace Prize for free speech advocacy. Elon Musk has been nominated
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for the 2025 Nobel Prize for his stance on free speech. Slovenian member of the European Parliament,
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Branko Grims, put the name forward.
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Wait, wait, wait. Who was that who nominated, uh, Elon for the prize?
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Was that a member of the European Parliament?
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Ah.
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Wasn't that... where, where, w- is it royalty? Isn't that royalty?
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Might be. They're all, at the very least-
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Uh, it, they're all roy- they're all royalty, right?
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... unelected bureaucrats.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Weird. That's, uh, strange that, uh, this guy... Anyway, Salman Rushdie never won the war- uh, Nobel
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Prize. Alex thinks he did because there was a fatwa
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declared on him over the satanic verses, but this didn't result in a Nobel
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Prize. Solzhenitsyn did win the Nobel Prize in 1970, but it was for literature. There isn't a
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defensive free speech category in the Nobel Academy.
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Alex exi- uh, his examples are two people who would be in the running for Nobel Prizes for literature, which
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Elon definitely isn't going to get. This
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one guy nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize, which is fine, but it's going nowhere. Uh, Elon's
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l- literally a giant war profiteer, and Alex is a huge, uh, little worm.
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Can't-
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A huge little worm.
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Can't anybody nominate you for a Peace Prize?
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Yeah, there's a bunch of people who were nominated.
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You could just, like, fuckin'-
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I don't, I don't-
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... right out the gate.
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I don't know if you could.
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Why not?
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I-
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I demand the power to nominate for Peace Prizes.
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You know how it's like you have to be this tall to ride this ride?
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Right, ri- right.
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The European Parliament-
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I'd be royalty from Europe.
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European Parliament membership-
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This is you.
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... is the-
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This is you. Nah, I see it.
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You have to be that tall.
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Ah, this is, this is what Alex is saying. You're all about the r- unelected bureaucrats.
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I may be, but it's mostly out of not knowing who can nominate somebody. (laughs)
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That's a fair point.
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I think that you have to have made a movie to be nominated for an Oscar.
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Okay.
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Right?
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So you have to have made-
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No.
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... peace to be nominated. (laughs)
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Hold on.
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If you're a pe- (laughs)
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In order to be nominated for-
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Yes.
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... an Academy Award-
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Sure.
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... someone in the academy has to nominate you.
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Okay.
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Right?
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Okay.
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I mean, I assume that's-
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Something like that.
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That's how it goes.
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I have no idea.
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So someone who's connected to the Nobel group
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somehow has to nominate you.
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Gotcha. Okay.
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It can't just be you.
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That makes more sense.
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You have to, you have to apply.
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Yeah, I mean, I get... That's, you know, that's the problem with the Nobel
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Peace Prize is that, you know, with literature, you gotta write a book. Those are the rules.
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Right.
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You just gotta.
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Yeah.
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There's no, like, negotiation on, "What if I just didn't write a book and I just really felt like a good book?"
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Mm-hmm.
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No negotiation. Peace Prize, anybody could win that shit.
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It's vague.
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Yeah.
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And I think that, you know, Alex's criticism of,
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you know, people who have, uh, supported wars getting Peace Prizes just kind of cheapen the value of it.
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That doesn't help.
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But, um, that doesn't mean that all of them are bad, like all Nobel award winners are bad.
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Sure.
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Um,
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I don't know.
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(laughs)
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So Roger Stone comes around and, uh, he, he's, he's there to talk about the JFK stuff.
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Sure.
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And he know, he knows Trump very well,
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that he tried to kill at least twice we know of. He's got a very good
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idea on what's about to come out, also Trump's view on it. Uh,
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and people are saying, "Why hasn't it been released yet?" It's, it's in the executive order, 15 days
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to, to develop the plan to release it, and then more on the, uh,
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RFK, MLK, and more. Uh, but first off, Roger, you've got the floor, wherever you want to go.
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The dizzying successes, the enemy off balance, how are they gonna strike back? Let's not get too confident.
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Yeah, so this is a nice benefit to being
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in the future, like Alex is really trying his best to keep the audience strung along that
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Trump is about to blow the JFK thing wide open but it takes 15 days. Patience, everyone.
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Well, we're more than 15 days in the future from this and these files have not been released.
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Mm-hmm.
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I don't particularly care if these files are released because
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most folks who know a lot more about it than me are pretty clear that there's no
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bombshells waiting to be revealed.
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If they release everything, fine. If it
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stalls forever, that's not ideal, but fine. The worst thing possible
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for Alex is if the files are released and it's a
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dud, so that's the outcome he definitely doesn't
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want. The good news is that all of this is a game. So when
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Trump says that he's going to release stuff then doesn't, it's because of the 15-day holding period.
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When that time runs out, if nothing's released, then oh
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no, the globalists left behind in the government are meddling with the release.
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If Trump does release everything and it's a disappointment, oh no, the globalists hid the real
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documents to make Trump look bad. It doesn't matter what happens. Reality is going to be bent to
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conform to the narrative that Alex has, uh, invested in pushing.
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Yeah.
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So, great.
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They should... It would be, it would be better.
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Here's my pitch, all right? Don't actually release the real
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shit. Nobody would ever believe that. What you do, you release a JFK
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dick pic and say that's why you haven't released
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it. Everybody would be like, "Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense."
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Uh-huh.
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We can all move on.
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Especially if it's, like, bigger than LBJ.
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Yeah, well, nobody's dick is bigger than LBJ. That's just a scientific fact.
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But see, that's why it would have been never released because-
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That, it would, it would re- yeah.
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And that's why J- uh, LBJ killed him.
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LBJ murdered him, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Murdered him for the dick.
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Th- this-
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It's as tale as old as time.
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This would make sense.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Be unsatisfying for some conspiracy theorists probably, but-
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I think, I think it would probably be the most satisfying answer for everybody.
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So Roger is on. I don't really care about the JFK stuff. It's well-trod, uh,
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material between them. He's written a book on it, who cares?
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Right.
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Um, what I'm more interested in is, uh, the revealing some details about Roger and Alex's relationship.
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And you're the expert of experts. I mean, I'm not just saying that. He's not just an expert on politics, he's
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a JFK... That's how I first met him, like, 14 years ago, and then again 12 years ago.
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And he said, "Hey, Trump's getting ready to run," you know, like, you know,
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10 years ago, and that's how I got onboard. He said, "This is the real deal." He
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totally dialed in when we had all the meetings about leaving at that.
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And yeah, Roger recruited me in. Um,
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and I was literally sitting there thinking about it. My son
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Rex says, "No Dad, you need to do it." This was like before Trumpy was going. But the point is
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let's just stop here and finish up with all the news, what he's done, what's coming next.
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We've always known this, but I'm not sure I've ever heard Alex say that so
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clearly. Roger recruited Alex to the Trump campaign essentially.
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Mm-hmm.
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This makes, uh, the entire time that Alex was coming to Trump
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incredibly dishonest. Behind the scenes, he and
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Roger were having what amounts to negotiations to get Alex to support Trump
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while Alex was pretending to cover the
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primary and the election.The first
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time that Alex interviewed Roger is a complete... like, it's a suspicious event
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in this context. And Roger getting Trump to come on Alex's show is clearly part of
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a deal that they struck. There's a negotiation here.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's really messed up.
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Yeah, the only reason Roger showed up there was to sign the agreement, right?
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It must have been.
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Like, "Hey, okay, we pay you this exact amount, Roger fucking Rat-fucking Stone."
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Or, like, let's take money slightly out of the equation-
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Yeah.
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... because maybe that's not the case.
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Hm.
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Maybe it's
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access.
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Sure.
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He's going to win and none of these other people are gonna take you seriously, Alex.
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Not one.
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You can cash in on this.
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Not one.
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You'll have the appearance of proximity to power.
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Boy, at the end of this, Alex is going to realize that Roger Stone rat-fucked him too.
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Mm-hmm.
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He's just... It's just a matter of time before you realize that Roger Stone rat-fucked you.
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But it's pretty crazy to, like, imagine that the, uh, Alex would have no qualms with, like,
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saying this in front of the audience. You know, like, "Roger recruited me."
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Maybe nobody... Maybe there's just nobody listening. Maybe it is all
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robots
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talking to each other.
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I don't think anybody-
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Right? (laughs)
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... could have been listening during that 2015 section-
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Yeah.
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... and hear Alex say this now-
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Yeah.
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... and not think, "Oh, wow, that's shady shit that was going on back then."
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Yeah.
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You're talking about how you know about
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Trump's history and he's a mob boss and he's the front man for consortiums on the East
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Coast, and then mysteriously, all of your tune changes and all the stories are different.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's, um, I don't know.
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It's probably one of those things where, like, you can just believe, "Ah, no,
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see, what you gotta do is you gotta learn how to re-" Even
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he teaches you that you have to learn how to read beh- be- between the lines.
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Make stuff up?
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When, whenever reality doesn't conform to what you believe. So even for them, they're like, "Oh,
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well, yeah, Alex has to say that because this conspiracy." So it all
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just gets wrapped up in another conspiracy.
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I get that.
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Yeah.
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But
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God told him the future.
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Like, that didn't start in 2016. He didn't get magical psychic powers
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when he decided to join up with Trump. Like, he's had that since he was a kid.
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Eh, there is that.
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Yeah.
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It's tough. It's tough.
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Hmm.
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Harry Potter can't be wrong, uh, if he's, like, doing the weather.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right? Because he's-
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I don't think so.
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He's magic.
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Yeah.
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You gotta get it right if it's magic.
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He should.
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Yeah.
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He should. So, they talk a bit about Trump, uh, and, uh, they say something I think is, is dumb.
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Uh, and I can just tell you that something dramatically changed about him,
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uh, right after the events at Butler, Pennsylvania.
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A serenity came over him, a sureness, uh, a strength, uh, a total recognition
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that his life had been spared by God
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for a greater purpose.
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Uh, you know, Nixon was deeply religious, but he would never talk about his religion because, as a
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Quaker, he'd been taught by his mother that this was a
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private matter. Uh, and Trump was always a believer, but
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he was never comfortable talking about the Almighty, uh, because he didn't think it was a political
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matter. Uh, but that all changed, uh, in Butler, Pennsylvania.
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This is a cute story, but that's a load of shit.
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Trump was fully exploiting religion for political purposes through his entire run, back to 2015.
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He knew that the Evangelical base was one of his best hopes, so you saw him do all those staged
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photos with the prosperity gospel preachers, like Paula White-Caine, praying over him.
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You saw him do that photo op at the church near the Capitol, where he held the Bible upside down. All that
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shit was before Butler, and Roger knows that.
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Hmm.
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He also knows that that, like, Road to Damascus moment is a
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really powerful trope in Evangelical circles, so he's writing that legend for the followers to, uh,
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to apply onto Trump that, "Oh, we had the brush with death," and
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that, uh...
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Yeah. There's, there's really no Evangelical movement
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that doesn't require a constant updating of the time that you really came to Jesus.
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You mean it this time.
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Yeah, the last few times you came to Jesus, those were pretty important, but this one, this was a revelation.
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And that explains why he was holding the Bible upside down before.
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That does make sense.
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It's because he was a, he was a baby in Christ. He was-
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He was lying. He was putting his, he was putting his fingers be- crossed behind his back, yeah.
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Right, but then he got shot and then he-
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Well, 'cause that's real religion.
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And then he means it.
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You don't even know if you mean it until you mean it.
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Yeah.
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And that's when you know you mean it, so even if
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you did mean it before, you didn't mean it, 'cause you didn't know you meaned it.
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Right. And when people say they mean it, I... you gotta take a, their word for it.
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Nah, I don't believe it.
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And when Roger Stone says that you mean it-
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You, it's true.
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... that means something.
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Scientific fact.
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So, uh, we jump to the next day, because I don't care, LBJ did it, because-
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He did it.
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Because of the dicks. (laughs)
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It's true, it's true.
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Right. Um, and so on the, the 30th, there's some news that's broken.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that is, uh, that a plane crashed into a helicopter over, uh, the DC airport.
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Mm.
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And so Alex knows he needs to address this.
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Right.
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Again, it is Thursday, January 30th, 2025.
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The first major challenge to the new Trump administration
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took place last night
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over Washington, DC at
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Ronald Reagan International Airport
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when a
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US military Blackhawk
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flew into the flight path of the airport in a landing aircraft that
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had authorization to land and had control of the airspace.
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And we have the flight logs, we have the FAA
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tower reports, we have it all here.
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And they were telling the helicopter
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that they were in danger
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and to stop the path they were on.
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And right now, it looks like
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something went on on the helicopter.
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We don't know.
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But
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instantly last night,
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after the Blackhawk collided into the American Airlines
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flight, 63 people on board, three soldiers on the helicopter, no survivors, Reagan
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Airport closed,
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airline CEO blames army, Trump blames Biden.
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Well, here's the facts.
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This stuff happens in a complex, crazy world.
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That's am-
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It's sad.
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That's amazing.
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That, those are the facts. Are those all the facts?
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This response should be all anyone needs to understand that Alex is a piece of shit and a liar.
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He's the king of suspicion. Everything is a conspiracy until proven not to be, or at least that's how
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things go when there's an advantage in it for him to position himself against the power structure.
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Take, for example, all the things that happened when Biden was in office, like the
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Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore, or the hurricanes, Helene and, uh, Milton.
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Those were immediately suspicious, and likely false flags. Maybe even weather weapons were being
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used here. An accident at a bridge and
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two natural disasters were reported on in such a way that you could create
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blame that could be assigned to the Biden administration and the globalists in the government as a whole.
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But now Trump is in charge. They've all made a big deal out of ending DEI practices in
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one of the main areas that the right-wing media has agitated about this in,
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in terms of pilots and air traffic controllers.
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They've gotten their way, and we see a big airline crash in basically the first week of Trump being in office.
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In this situation, Alex has two choices.
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One option is to say that the Deep State did this attack, uh, uh, in order to make Trump look bad or something.
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Well, the globalists knew that Trump was trying to clean up the FAA,
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so they did this false flag in order to, uh, to derail that.
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This option helps deflect from Trump having to take any responsibility, but it
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also introduces some liabilities.
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For one, a bunch of people died in the crash, so Alex needs to decide if they were real people or not. If
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not, he's in danger of getting into the crisis
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actor storylines and risking more lawsuits. But if he does
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say that they're real, then he needs to accept that Trump is so out of control with his own administration
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that the remaining Deep State folks are murdering civilians in plane crashes
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and he can't do anything about it. There aren't a lot of good
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outcomes for him down this path, which is why he seems to be taking the second path.
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This is the path where he just accepts that the world is complicated and sometimes bad things
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happen and no one planned them to be that way.
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It's an explanation that would suffice for the majority of the
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news that Alex ever covers, but then pretends are false flags, which is why
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it's strange to hear him use this approach here.
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Alex does not want Trump and Musk's power to be questioned, so his instinct towards suspicion just
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kind of disappears here when, uh, it would be an overdrive
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if Biden was still in office. There would be an elaborate story to be told about this.
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Hey, what you gonna do, you know? Sometimes planes just
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crash into Black Hawk military ho- choppers. That happens.
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Because it happens in a complex society.
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It happens all the time.
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Right.
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Why are you complaining about it, you idiot?
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Mm-hmm.
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What is it? This is like a regular occurrence. You can't even
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shit on a military base without an exploding Black Hawk helicopter.
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Th- th- look, there are bad things that happen and I accept that. I-
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Life's bad.
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I accept that-
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Got it.
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... as an explanation and something that I could hear from another human being
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who I would interact with socially.
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Haven't you seen the, the penguins on the climate?
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It's terrible what happens to the penguins. And that's
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just like this. You know, life is just crazy and unpredictable.
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Well-
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You'll never know.
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Well, hold on. I think, I think like, you know, sometimes a train goes off the tracks-
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Sure.
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... and it's an accident and-
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It is.
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... sometimes a train goes off the tracks and it's because no one has g- uh, kept up the infrastructure.
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Could be.
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I think that those are two different things.
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Ah.
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But at the same time, neither is like, "Hey, someone plan to derail this train."
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Sure. But you don't know if maybe a giant grabbed it with its big hands and then put it off the train, and then
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created a fake, uh, like little crash scene to hide up their giant's tracks.
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See, you can never trust anything. The world's crazy.
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There's just no way to know what e- makes anything happen.
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I, I don't accept th- I don't accept, uh... So Alex is like, his
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worldview is like, "Oh, you call me a conspiracy theorist? I call you a coincidence theorist."
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Crazy.
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Right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So you don't get to play this card now, the-
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No.
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... the complex world shit.
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It's a little late.
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Yeah. So he has to be pretty defensive about this
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and I, I'm j- I was just very surprised with the angle he decided to take.
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Air travel is, depending on the country, on average about 20 times safer than automobiles.
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Okay.
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But it's not as glamorous when people are chewed up and wounded and dead on the highway. And by
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glamorous, I mean it's so commonplace that it doesn't get people's attention.
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And of course, when you do have an air disaster, it's... has a much higher
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rate of fatality 'cause you're moving faster and you're high up
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in the air generally, so our hearts go out to all those that died.
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But before we knew anything last night, I have the timestamps right here, the entire corporate media
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came out and blamed
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Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Doge
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for simply stating the fact that the majority of federal employees
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rarely ever go to work and do almost nothing,
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unless they're like the Border Patrol who bust
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their ass. I've seen it. That's a hard job. Customs people, that's a hard job.
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So the law enforcement angle works their butt off,
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but the bureaucrats, the bureaucracy, I mean, across the board,
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there's whole studies and governmental and corporate grading of it.
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Uh, but
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it's a joke and we all know that.
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And Trump is demanding they come back to work
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and that if they won't work or secretly had another
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job, they're gonna be fired obviously and probably criminally
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charged. He said that last night and that's true.
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So cutting the waste and fraud and abuse out did not cause this.
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They haven't even gotten to it yet.
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So I think it's very striking how defensive Alex is about this story and I think I understand why.
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I'm pretty sure that Alex understands a real serious, uh, problem
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is, uh, like, like th- there's a bunch of them that Trump and Musk's plans are going to cause.
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Sure.
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Things like greater incidents of plane
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crashes, foodborne illness outbreaks, predatory
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scams being carried out on consumers. These are some of the fruit of what the government is doing
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right now. It's going to end up happening. Alex believes the ends justify the
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means here but he also knows that the
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means involve common people getting
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hurt in really bad ways that he can't defend. He wants what's on the other side of this-
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Sure.
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... but he does not want to take responsibility for the path that leads there.
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Right. Well, I mean, just 'cause when they put seat belts in, people stopped flying through their
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windshield so much doesn't mean that seat belts
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led to people not flying through their windshields. You can't prove that.
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It's a, it's a complex and mysterious world.
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You never understand it. Never understand it.
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So as these consequences start happening, he's going to be in a position of
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minimizing these things, carrying water for and justifying the powers that be because
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he believes that doing so furthers the larger good goal, which I guess is
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colonizing space with white people.
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The Associated Press reported that the staffing at the airport on the day
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of the crash was, quote, "Not normal," and that one air traffic controller was doing the work of two people.
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Complicating matters, Elon Musk had called on the head of the
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FAA to resign around when Trump was inaugurated.
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He did so, but there's no clear replacement.
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It might be Chris Rooshlow, who's an interim administrator, but Reuters reported on January 30th, the day
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of this episode of Alex's show, quote,
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"The FAA for 10 days had, has declined to say who is running the agency on an acting
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basis." Michael Whidaker was the pri- uh, previous FAA head who quit when Trump came into office.
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That's not that crazy of a thing to happen
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and replacing him would have been fine in the changing from one administration to another.
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One of the reasons this is messy though is because
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in 2022, the FAA imposed fines on Elon's company Starlink for, quote, "Violations of safety protocol."
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Musk claimed that the FAA was harassing him and then he was fined again in 2024
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directly by Whidaker for, quote, "Alleged violations of its government license in two
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rocket launches," according to The Guardian.
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There's no way to know exactly what's going on in people's heads, but these
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circumstances represent another massive conflict of interest for Musk being
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anywhere near the levers of power for the government.
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He has immense personal interest in making these bodies unable to operate because when they work correctly
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and in the public interest, he gets fined a ton of money.
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Alex understands all this and his career is supposed to be based on
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fighting against the unelected bureaucrats who had outsized power in our government.
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He spent his whole life yelling about George Soros and yet here he stands
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making his career entirely about defending Elon Musk. And Alex knows
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how bad this looks to the point where he's willing to call something a coincidence.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you know, it is, it is one of those things where it's like
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they're going after that shit and it's... The, the regulations weren't even that tight, you know?
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Oh, sh-
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Like it's just one of those pieces of evidence of like
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either go hard against them or you might as well not even have it 'cause they're gonna try and... The
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SEC hasn't really affected the stock market in a million years
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and yet they're still gonna try and destroy you.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? Like
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it doesn't matter if it's weak capture or strong capture, just that you exist at all is a
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check on their power is what makes them hate you.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? It has nothing to do with how much you do against them or not.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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You know what, it just dawned on me?... is, like, Alex is calling this a coincidence.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's insane. And it's also s-
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It's a coincidence.
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I-
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y- you know what I th- you know what I ju- I just... I just realized that Elon has Alex's Twitter DMs.
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Oh, yeah.
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Very weird.
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Yeah.
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Coincidence.
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I, I
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think that there's some bad stuff in there (laughs) .
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Oh, I bet.
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There's reasons to kill JFK in there. That's all I'm saying.
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(laughs) I bet, uh, uh, I bet that might be-
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Ugh.
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... a simple, simple explanation for Alex's throwing his entire career away in order to defend Elon Musk.
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Hmm.
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Anyway, uh, Trump, uh, has a belief that, uh, DEI caused, uh, the crash.
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Mm.
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But Trump just came out a few minutes ago, the press conference is still ongoing, and blames DEI for
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weakening FAA in aftermath of Reagan
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national plane crash. And there's no doubt-
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Sounds true.
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... that's true. That DEI and corporate
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corruption at Boeing and other areas
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in the studies has really caused the massive increase
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of problems and bad service
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and breakdowns
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and disasters
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and near
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collisions, mid-air collisions going way up.
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And this idiot
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FAA official that said we're gonna hire schizophrenics.
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I mean, s- seriously.
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Uh, and people that, you know, see, see pink elephants.
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And, and I remember that broke a few years ago and I said, "Is that even real?" And it
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sure as hell... It was him in hearings, like, "Yup. We're hiring mentally
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ill people. They deserve to fly planes too."
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I have no idea why Alex would be worried about people who see pink elephants flying
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planes. He sees demons and he's allowed to do a radio show, which I think is probably
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infinitely more dangerous to the general population.
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Maybe the pink elephants are inter-dimensional flying assistants that only the
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really good pilots can see. Like, who's Alex to judge another person's hallucinations? That's not cool.
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Mm.
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So in the real world, the FAA did not say, like, they want people with
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active hallucinations to be able to fly planes. There's a
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w- longstanding problem with the FAA
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where pilots were afraid to utilize mental health resources that could be available
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to them because doing so could risk their job.
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There was a culture of silence that had grown around mental
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health issues in the field, where if you admitted that you wanted to
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or were seeking treatment for depression or anxiety, you could risk losing your livelihood.
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That created an atmosphere, uh, where people were suffering but were afraid to get help.
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In 2023, the National Transportation Safety Board held a summit called
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Navigating Mental Health in Aviation
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that was meant to explore this dynamic and see what could be done to better serve people's needs.
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In response to this conversation, the
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FAA began to make moves to broaden their rules about mental health treatment. By making
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guidelines that better address the actual situation pilots are in, the hope is to de-stigmatize
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manageable mental health conditions
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and get appropriate help, uh, for people who are experiencing conditions
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that would make it actually unsafe for them to fly.
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Previously, the system relied on self-reporting by pilots and by reports filed by the aviation
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medical examiners. The AME had a list of conditions that they were required to report, which put a person
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at risk of being grounded. In 2024, the AME empowered their doctors to rely on their own
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judgment when it came to a list of conditions, including generalized anxiety
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disorder, situational anxiety, social anxiety disorder,
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postpartum depression, situational depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, PTSD,
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and some general categories for unspecific anxiety and depression.
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This is the real world version of what Alex wants to attack.
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The other end of it is that the FAA doesn't discriminate
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in hiring based on disability status, and that was clear in their posted
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materials, uh, in sections around DEI.
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Sure.
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This is about the Aviation, uh, Development
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Program, which requires that, quote, "Participants meet the same
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qualifications as any other applicant."
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People with disabilities can receive a schedule, uh, Schedule
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I application, but this isn't just like a
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shortcut to any job. You still need to be qualified for the job you apply for
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and able to do what the job entails. The issue here is that
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Alex just strongly supports discrimination, and that's what's at the core of
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all of his messaging.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's such, like, that brutalist '50s
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logic that sticks with us to this day.
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Oh, you're depressed? You can't fly. You'll try and fly the plane into a building!
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Mm-hmm.
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Just, nope, done. So everybody has to be quiet about it forever and
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lock it up inside until they wanna fly a plane into a building!
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I feel like there's some sort of catch that this is similar to.
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Hm.
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But I don't remember which one (laughs) .
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I haven't read books before.
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No.
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It's tough.
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Books, books are evil.
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Yeah, yeah. The, you know, it's just a coincidence that books have words in them.
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Yeah.
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That's what I've heard.
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So, uh, you know, Alex had Roger on yesterday.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, you kn- what do you know? Trump listened.
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Sure. Of course he did.
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And he loved it.
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Loved it.
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He loved it!
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Uh, he's doing those gaggles where he stops with reporters. I mean, I, I can't even keep track of it. And it, it
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is exhilarating but also exhausting. And then he's got time to watch
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me and Roger last night and call us up and tell us how much he likes the show
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and invite us to the White House for dinner soon.
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Um, it was already big news when other people called and said, "Hey, come to Mar-a-Lago 'cause we, w-
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when do you wanna come to the White House?" That was just people in his operation.
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Now, I just mentioned, it became a big top news story yesterday. Oh my God, the evil Alex Jones.
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And (laughs)
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a- a- a- and again, I haven't really pushed that or even asked for that stuff because
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I don't want Alex Jones, you know, to be a diversion.
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But at the end of the day, from the overall agenda, it's also a litmus test to say, "Screw
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you guys. We're pardoning all the J6ers.
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Screw you guys. What you did to Alex Jones was made up, exaggerated. He didn't do anything.
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We're not buying into your crap anymore."
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Yeah, Adon wrote about it and Drudge took it as the top
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story. It was just, my phone was ringing off the hook. And I'm
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just like... And I guess that elicited Trump to come watch the show and then
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s- say he liked it and, and Roger saying, "Yeah, I just talked to Trump. He says the stuff
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that you're classifying proves the CIA, you know, w- was involved killing Kennedy."
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And then I, it got millions and millions of views, like 10 million views on the clip
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from the clip. From the show. And I, and I saw people commenting,
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"Where is the proof? What's your source?" (laughs)
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And I've got w-, you know, Bloomberg going,
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"What's your source? You've been invited to the White House." Just like, come on, people.
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Come on, people.
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So the only thing that I think is really actually important about that clip is that
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Alex said that the night before, Roger was doing this episode with him.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then a Don Salazar wrote about it.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it went on Drudge.
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Yes.
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Now, that reveals one thing to me, and that is that a Don
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Salazar is still working (laughs) at InfoWars. Which is crazy.
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That is crazy.
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Yes (laughs) .
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Who is paying him?
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'Cause I mean, like, if you, if you n- know anything about the path through the Sandy Hook stuff,
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you could easily scapegoat him.
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(laughs) I mean, he has just slid under the radar, somehow.
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Yeah. He is probably... Him and Rob Duke could have a
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competition for who was the most energetically pursuing the crisis actor shit.
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Yeah.
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But a Don Salazar was a huge part of the problem. And him trying to get Drudge to cover their stories-
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Yeah.
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... is even another part of what the, uh, the big problem was.
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Yeah, that's no good.
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So the fact that we're here in 2025 and a Don Salazar is still working at, at InfoWars is, is nuts.
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Yeah, it kinda tells you how devalued the written word is, you know? People don't even
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care enough that it's your fault that the whole thing started.
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Ye- or-
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Bummer.
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... at, at the very least, it's like, "Hey, I, y- you suck at this.
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You, you're bad. Uh, you get me in trouble."
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Yeah.
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"And I can-"
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What are you gonna do?
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"... throw you overboard."
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What are you gonna do?
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Yeah.
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Come on, come on back to work.
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Crazy.
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What does it take to get fired
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in terms of, like, failure? Like, there's no
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job performance issues. There's only just, like, "Ah, well, he said I'm a prick."
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Mm-hmm.
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"Gotta get rid of him."
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I don't know. I mean-
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I think probably not liking Alex might get you fired. (laughs)
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I mean, ev- i- in all honesty, you could probably argue that-
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Standing up for yourself. (laughs)
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... Adan Salazar and, and company failed so hard the entire business is gone.
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Y-
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And they're still working there.
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Mm-hmm. Probably working for, uh-
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Yeah.
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... Chase now-
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Yeah.
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... over at, uh-
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That's-
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... Alex Jones Live.
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Yep, that's probably, that's good. That's job security.
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Yeah. So Alex realizes that maybe he was talking a lot, uh, outta school about-
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Mm-hmm.
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... getting invited to the White House and stuff. So he realizes he's gotta, he's gotta-
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Maybe he should walk that back.
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No.
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Oh.
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But he's gotta bring it back to the center.
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Well...
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And, and I mean, I don't even have time to barely eat dinner with my seven-year-old daughter or
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wife. I'm eating dinner, like, once a week with them now
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and they understand. I, I barely have time to see my parents.
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My dad's been sick. I still get over there once or twice a week. Because history's happening now, I
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have to do this. So, so the left all thinks I'm like somebody that wants to be in the
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cool club and, "Ooh, let's all make a big story and
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put pressure on Trump to stop him from having Alex Jones around." That'll just make Trump send a jet to get me.
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Just in case you don't know.
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Okay? So, so
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(laughs) th- they, I, I, and I don't even wanna make myself the big story. I could
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definitely make myself the big story, I could be
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hanging out at the White House all day, but that gets in the way
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of Elon that has moved into the White House, into the Lincoln bedroom, and is running Doge out of it,
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working 20 hours a day at least. The guy sleeps, like, two hours a day. He, he's not
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there so he can act powerful, he already is, he's there
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to make sure the mission gets done. So no, I don't need to be hanging around the White House
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distracting people. I'll continue at my post attacking. Now I, I'll go up, if he really
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keeps pushing it, and have dinner with him.
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H- he and I and Roger have a private dinner. That's what he wants to do. Great, I- I- I'll do that.
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But (laughs) th- the, the left doesn't understand.
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I want to dominate you and stop you and crush you, you lying scum
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that have tried to destroy my country and my family.
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That's my mission, that's the brass ring, that's the focus. Nothing else even compares.
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And I like eating dinner with my wife and daughter and playing board games.
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I like going on hikes with my adult children.
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Do you?
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I like going to see a movies and comedy clubs and eating fine steak dinners. It's all been put on the side
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because the war for the future
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destiny of humanity is now and we're winning and I'm not about to sit on the sidelines
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and rest on my laurels
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and think we got this in the bag.
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Not until the entire globalist transhumanist death cult's been dismantled,
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not until the new world order is in chains.
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Sure.
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And then I'll take some time off.
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Alex has taken multiple vacations in the last few
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months. His show is basically just him taking
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time off because he doesn't prepare at all and he just rants about dumb shit he saw on Twitter for a job.
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I'm conflicted about this Trump dinner thing, because
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I don't know why Trump wouldn't associate with Alex at this point.
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Yeah.
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Alex is super embarrassing, but Trump's hanging out with Musk, he made RFK the head of HHS,
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and he recently made dipshit radio host Dan Bongino the deputy director of the FBI.
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There's no reason that Trump should think that it would be a negative for him to hang out with Alex.
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At the same time, Alex's whole thing about not
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wanting to be the cool guy hanging out with Trump is complete bullshit.
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He would trip over his feet if Trump or Musk offered him an audience, uh, with them a- any time,
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because the association with Power is basically all
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Alex has left other than a social media account at this point.
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Consider the fact that the only reason this conversation is even happening on a public radio
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show is that Alex needed to brag about how
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Trump allegedly called him after the show with Roger the night before.
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Alex didn't need to reveal that information, but he did it because it made him look like a big
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boy. All of this rant is really just Alex's internal
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struggle between his desperate need to be associated with the other cool kids
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and his awareness that his brand requires him to be above that kind of vanity
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and how those two things are deeply at odds with each other.
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You think, you think Adrian Ditman could be deputy treasurer?
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Hmm?
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I think we've got that.
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Yeah.
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I think that's available.
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I think, I think Rod- uh, uh, uh, Musk would call him, like, the Master of Coins.
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Totally. Yeah. I think that's-
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(laughs) Something like that.
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I think that's the way you go.
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Yeah.
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And especially-
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Give him a dork-ass title.
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Especially if he's not real. That's the best way to do it. You hire somebody, call him Adrian Ditman-
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Mm-hmm.
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... move on with our lives. He doesn't even have a South African accent, that would make it perfect.
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Sure.
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You hear him talking and he's like, "Ah, I've been deputy treasurer before." You know? Th- then
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you'd be like, "Ah, I think he's Elon."
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Well, what we did is we plugged in all of the intelligence of past, uh, treasury-
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There you go.
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... department folks.
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That's the trick.
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And we've created a super treasurer.
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Created a jet peed, chat GP treasurer.
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Mm-hmm.
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It works.
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Ah, there we go. Did it.
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Uh, didn't mean it.
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Mm.
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Nope.
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Hmm.
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So, uh, Alex, uh, you know he's, he's, he's gone with the conspiracy coincidence, uh, angle-
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Mm-hmm.
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... on the, on the plane crash.
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Sure.
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Uh, but maybe, maybe there's something suspicious.
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Come on, there's something suspicious there.
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You kind of gotta-
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Come on.
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Everybody understand this, we have new listeners all the time, want to be very clear.
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Within 30 minutes, the corporate media was blaming Trump and Elon Musk and then Hegseth,
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saying they made cuts, Trump made cuts that haven't even been
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implemented yet, judges are trying to block it, as you know. They don't get overturned.
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Blaming them for this when they didn't even know what had happened. And
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now we know they had fully staffed air traffic controllers, the
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passenger plane, American Airlines, with all the figure skaters, Russian and American, coming in,
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was authorized, doing its job, had control of the airspace, it was their airspace.
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And the tower was saying to the helicopter,
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"You're, you're gonna crash, you're, you're coming into a collision."
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And we have
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the video of their telemetry screens, because they record all that, released within hours.
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So it was the helicopter, we don't know what happened yet, but it had nothing to do
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with problems at the FAA. It was a malfunction.
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Wait.
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Somebody hacked the helicopter, that can happen. I, I, I'm speculating. But it was the helicopter.
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So within 30 minutes of the Sandy Hook shooting, Alex blamed Obama and the gun grabbers.
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Within 30 minutes of Hurricane Helene, Alex blamed Biden.
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His claim that the media blaming Musk and Trump isn't even
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true, but if we pretend that it is, he has no leg to stand on.
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He's just doing defensive spin instead of what he usually does, which is attacking
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spin, smearing his imaginary enemies by exploiting tragedies.
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As far as what Trump did or didn't do, part of the problem is that the chaos he's causing makes it very
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difficult to tell exactly what effects are due to what.
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For instance, a few days after getting into office, Trump offered
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all federal workers the option of a deferred resignation
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where they could quit and then continue to get paid for about the next nine months.
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It's unclear what level of staffing changes that could've caused.
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Also, Trump put in place a hiring freeze, which has been challenged by the courts, but it also
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obviously had some effect. Reporters who have looked into it aren't sure if the freeze itself applied to air
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traffic controllers, because that's not spelled out.
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Add to that the absence of an acknowledged head of the FAA and you kind of
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see how this is, uh, you're unable to solve any problems that might come up.
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The media wasn't saying that Trump's actions caused the crash. In fact, here's what PBS said. Quote,
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"Trump in his first week in office did announce sweeping
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personnel changes, including a hiring freeze, but aviation experts said there was li- uh, little
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that Trump did that could've precipitated the crash between a commercial jet
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from Wichita, Kansas, and a military Black Hawk helicopter. There simply, uh, was too
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little time, less than 10 days after Trump was sworn in, for any of his broadly
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worded executive orders to have an effect, experts said."
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Alex is seeing people on social media blaming Trump for the crash and then just
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pretending that's what the media is saying, and that
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makes a lot of sense. Alex considers himself to be the media and all he does is scroll through Twitter, so
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every other idiot on Twitter is the media to him.
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Yeah.
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Like, journalism doesn't exist as a concept.
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Yeah.
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He's just getting mad at Twitter and other dipshits on social media. Like,
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who knows who any of these people are that he's mad about what they posted?
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I, you know, I, uh, l- okay. So here's the problem
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with this, right? You can't, you can't prove it yourself that it's not the FAA's fault.
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Mm-hmm.
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'Cause you already said it's Black people at the FAA who aren't good at their jobs. Right?
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So you can't be like, "Oh, turns out it's not the FFA,
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uh, the FAA's fault," 'cause then you're just obv- th- you're obviously a racist.
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Mm-hmm.
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You immediately went, "Ah, it's Black people," and then you're like, "Hey guys, it's not our fault."
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, so it's, if it is your fault, it's Black people.
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Since it's not your fault,
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it's not our fault.
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Well, it's a, it's a complicated place for Alex to find his racist mind in.
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It's coincidence.
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And, you know, that's why y- y- you start off this path with, like, maybe
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the world is complicated and things happen and, you know, accidents, accidents happen.
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And then you dig around a little more and you're like, "You know what? Maybe I can swing at this
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b- ball after all. Maybe I can make something out of this."
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Ugh. Not even your racism is genuine, man. Dark. Dark days.
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So we end up with, uh, maybe someone hacked the helicopter.
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That sounds right.
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That's probably what happened.
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Sounds true.
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And for decades, all the Blackhawks, all the commercial aircraft
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have
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systems
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that aren't just autopilot but can be remotely accessed by the airlines.
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And that's in the documents. Bush talked
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about it right after 9/11. They, they, she shut up about it real quick.
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Well, if you have those systems, somebody
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can hack into them or they can malfunction. And a lot
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of experts, and I've got the articles and reports here, are saying
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let's investigate that. We're not saying that's it.
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I'm saying it should be
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looked at because it makes no sense that just, here comes this helicopter. Nee- nee- nee- nee- nee,
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let me just fly over one of the most busy airports in the world with
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a bunch of runways with two different
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large aircraft coming in with their landing lights on. Let me just fly right in front of that big giant
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aircraft with huge lights all over it. That, that's how, i- i- when you're in a helicopter.
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You ever been in a helicopter, folks, I mean, you, you see everything.
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It's all, uh, here, let's just go... I mean, you don't get near an airport like that-
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Full frontal.
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... without telling them un- uh, you know, way out where you're coming from.
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And I'm telling you s- helicopters don't get priority over, uh, big airliners.
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None of this makes sense.
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But what does it have to do with Trump?
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So Alex just can't resist conspiracy
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thinking. His angle's supposed to be that accidents happen because that's the correct defensive position
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for Trump and Musk, but he knows that's boring.
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He yearns for the elaborate plot and the boogeyman he needs to be pretending to
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fight. Like, he can't get out of his own way. And that's something that I think is really interesting
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about this episode as, uh, as just sort of a snapshot-
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Mm-hmm.
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... is, like, you can almost feel him talking himself into, like,
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"Can we put some garlic in this?"
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There's gotta be, there ca- it's not a coincidence.
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"We gotta season this."
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I know it's my job to say it's a coincidence, but I just can't.
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It's the most expedient route to get
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Trump and Musk off the hook and that's why my instinct is to go this direction, but my muscles won't allow it.
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You know what's crazy is that if you're asking Alex to do that,
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you're wrong. Of course he's gonna turn a coi-
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uh, conspiracy into it, right? It's just that
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Alex himself is forcing himself to try the beginning part where he's like,
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"Nah, it was just a coincidence," and then
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just can't do it.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, if he had a boss who said, "Don't do the coincidence," or,
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"Do the coincidence thing," he wouldn't be able to do it. You would be a bad boss for even asking him to.
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Yeah.
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He's a bad boss to himself.
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Well, I think it's a cycle of oppositional defiance.
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Sure.
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Because he gets on Twitter and he sees people saying like, "Oh, Trump caused this plane crash," or whatever.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then he's like, "Ah, that's what the media's saying,"
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and so then he needs to have a knee-jerk reaction to that.
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Sure.
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If it were Biden in office, it would be, "No, Biden did this on purpose. It's a false flag," or-
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Yep.
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... whatever.
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Totally.
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It's, it's very simple. But he's like, "Ah, shit, that path on the, the tree, the logic tree doesn't work
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'cause Trump is in office and he's already taken over all of the,
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the globalist infrastructure and all this-"
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Yeah.
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"... so what do I do?
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Eh, th- accidents happen, man. Come on."
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"If it's not Black people, I don't know what caused it." Yep.
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Accidents happen.
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That'll happen.
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But then as he starts talking down that route-
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Mm-hmm.
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... his oppositional defiance to himself kicks in.
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Gotta do it.
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And, uh, he has to, he has to talk himself into a conspiracy.
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It's gotta be a conspiracy.
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Interesting how the media was ready to really jump on this within 30 minutes. Hmm. You
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know, I've said the globalists could hack in, take out the
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power grid, turn off the energy grid, blame it on Trump once he got in. I said cyberattacks.
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I mean, I've been predicting that. I'm not saying that's what this is, but
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you don't normally see
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Black Hawk crews
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just decide to go on a, you know, unscheduled flight through some of the most
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busy airspace in the world, right over
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one of the most busy airports in the world with a whole bunch of airplanes coming in for landings.
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And you don't get anywhere around those unless you're authorized
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and already have a plan to be landing there, usually file it long before.
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So all of this is, like, building a case.
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He's talking himself into
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it's not a coincidence.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Accidents don't happen.
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No. This is him trying to be like, "No, I
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never said anything about Sandy Hook. I never
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said that there were question... I mean, I have questions. There are tons of questions."
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There's anomalies.
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"Have you seen any of that shit? Nah, it didn't happen at all."
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There's so many anomalies.
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Like, it ta- it takes 10 seconds.
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Yeah.
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It's just, you can't not.
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Nope. Um, and so he tries to defend this a little bit and, and
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some of the cornerstone is, like, this idea that the media
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all said Trump w- did it.
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Right.
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But he fails. He just falls right on his face.
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And here's some articles and videos from
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Sikorsky, a Lockheed Martin
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demonstration of their autonomous
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Black Hawk helicopters in Washington just before
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the US election.
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And then you've got the community notes on there. On X, people are attacking Musk and Trump.
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They explain that the Aviation Safety
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Committee was disbanded, but the committee members working for federal government were not fired
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from their primary jobs. They advised the TSA, not
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FAA, on their security functions, which isn't typically relevant to midair collisions. LA Times source.
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But still, the corporate media in most places
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is trying to say that it's all Trump, Elon, Doge, Hegseth's fault.
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Headlined, "The First Big Challenge to Hegseth: Why Did This Happen?"
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Well, he better put out why it happened. They better find out, but how do you find out when the helicopter's a
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pile of ashes and the people are dead?
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Hmm.
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Why'd this helicopter just take off
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when Trump's dominating the globalists dismantling them
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and just magically fly in the most busy airport ever right into a passenger plane?
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And the corporate media's all ready to blame Trump.
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So Alex has just presented some tweets as his primary evidence for things.
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Like, one claim was, uh, that Trump's firings leading to these, uh, these
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safety advisory positions being vacant, right? That was,
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that was something that had a community note on it.
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Yeah, that was supposed to be the important thing.
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And the community note that Alex reads refuting it is sourced to the LA Times-
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Ooh.
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... which is part of the corporate media.
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Bummer.
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All of the examples he's providing of real media sources
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seem to be people clarifying that it might not be good to just blame Trump. That seems counter, uh, to
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the entire premise that Alex is running with, and that's because his premise is a
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lie. It's a lie that he needs in order to create fascination and intrigue around this story
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if he plans on reporting it as a conspiracy. He's dipped his toe into that water and you can see the
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old tricks he pulls, uh, coming out.
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If this is just a situation where, uh, you know, accidents happen
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and it's, uh, wrong to blame Trump for it, you can just move on and say that it's not his
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fault. But Alex is addicted to the game, so he starts talking about the story and
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it's not satisfying to just move along.
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There's too many vague points that won't be understood for
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months until there's a full investigation of this incident.
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All of those vague points, those anomalies, for Alex, those represent profit.
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That's money that's being left on the table.
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Sure.
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He's introduced too many conspiracy elements to this
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story and started to incorporate his past predictions, like attacks on the power grid, into the
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narrative as a whole. It's gaining momentum, so now it's important to dress things up with the
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normal suspicious patterns. Isn't it weird that the media all had their
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scripts so fast? It's almost like they knew they were get... what was gonna happen in advance.
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This is a type of reporting Alex does that's based on feelings. He's creating the
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feeling that the media all had their stories straight in half an
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hour, and that's suspicious. The goal of creating that feeling is to
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give, uh, the listener a reason to accept the conspiracy explanation for events that have happened
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before it's too late for, uh, actual explanations to be available
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to them to b- have answers to these questions that are now just, quote unquote, "anomalies."
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Mm-hmm.
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Alex knows that this is the way that he makes money.
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Tragedy happens and he comes up with
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interesting explanations for why the big
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bad imaginary enemies are totally secretly to blame for it, and the only way that things will
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ever get better is if you accept this interpretation and buy his sea moss.
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He understands that game and that's why he can't just leave this
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well enough alone and say that accidents happen. It would be an act of him robbing himself.
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Mm-hmm.
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So you can... Y- y- it's fascinating to me that, like, it's a perfectly acceptable defense to say accidents
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happen. Any other human could lead the show with,
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"This is a tragedy. Our hearts go out to everybody who was involved," but Alex can't.
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Can't do it.
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It's directly counter to every money-making instinct that he has.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He, he must exploit tragedy.
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And it's, it's smart. It's smart because what he's doing is the same thing that... You know, he's doing
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Twitter engagement, essentially.
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Mm-hmm.
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Some asshole posts, "It's all Trump's fault for doing the FFA, or F- FAA thing."
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"You're hung up on the Future Farmers of America."
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And then... Yeah, right? And then some other asshole is like, "No, it's not," and then they
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fight, and then the LA Times gets a little community note, and then they fight, and then Alex says,
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"See? They're all saying the same shit." And then
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it's out here.
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Yeah, and, and-
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Ready to be shit on.
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... and what's interesting to me about that is that, like,
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it... I
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perfectly conceive of how this is working on Twitter.
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Mm-hmm.
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And racking up, uh, views and numbers and stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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But as a radio show, it's not good.
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No.
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I- i- it's...
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It feels like a one-sided Twitter argument.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And as a continuation of Alex's career, I think it's tragic.
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Not good.
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Um, so that's fun, honestly. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you know, it's... It is like
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there was a certain amount of creativity back e- back before instantaneous news.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, where you'd have sports talk radio
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and they'd really have to spend like an hour discussing something that could be, like, five
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minutes long. Like, "Oh, yeah. He needs to shoot better." Boom.
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They gotta spend an hour, "Ah, his girlfriend..." You know, like that whole thing.
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But now, you know, there's that like, "Oh, I, I don't even need to provide context. This guy sucks. Next one.
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This guy's..." Y- you know, there's, there's just so much constant information
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that it doesn't require the same creativity that it used to, you know?
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No. No, not at all.
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He's just responding to somebody... Oh, the media always has it, "Spend some time in there."
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Right.
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Yeah.
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A- and, like, you know, for, uh, for, uh, like
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what you're d- what you're describing, like, back...
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Uh, these sports talk shows would be like, "We're getting word from trainers that-"
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Right.
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... you know, "Here's a situation with an ankle," or whatever.
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Yeah.
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N- now it's just like-
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"Some asshole said."
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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With, uh, th- like, no picture on Twitter and an anonymous person-
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Doesn't need it. "Some asshole."
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Yeah. Th- what does this have to do with the ankle?
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It's not even fun to do, like, Twitter handle @blankblankblank69420 anymore.
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Right.
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It sucks. They are, they're just everywhere.
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Yeah.
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Boo!
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Yeah.
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Boo!
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Boo.
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Yeah.
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Come on.
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I say boo to thee, Twitter.
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Yep. So, uh, Roger is back on-
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Mm.
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... uh, because Trump called Alex and, you know, you gotta keep-
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Gotta milk that. Yeah.
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Keep doing it.
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Yeah.
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And the JFK files are gonna come out any day now.
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Sure.
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So Roger, uh, has some, uh, excuses for why the JFK files aren't out yet.
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Last night, you did an emergency broadcast with me that's gotten
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tens of millions of views. Thanks to
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listeners for watching out of the Alex Jones Network studios. And you were very clear, uh,
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that Trump told you five years ago at the first declassification of 80%
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and in the new one he signed last week that that's 15 days for them to develop the plan or law to release
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will, quote, "seal
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the fate of the CIA
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and the deep state" that we're still fighting basically the grandkids of, and that Trump said to you
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it is just so horrible
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that, uh, he didn't release the first time
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and, and you... and then went on CIA involvement. And I love s-... Most of the listeners know you're
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good friends with Trump and all the rest of it, and
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Trump's even made some of those statements public. They said, "What's the source?" It's the president.
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But then
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you got a call and other folks and we got a... You know, uh, but without getting into all that, it's ridiculous
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for the idea that we would be saying something, you would be saying something
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when you're a known confidant of Trump, that it would be
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something that we were just making up. But, but Roger, recap all the history
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and then what you're expecting and what you've heard,
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which is obviously classified, so you can just, you
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know, give just........................ about what is about to come out and why they're so scared.
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Well, Alex, uh, I think you've got it exactly right. Uh, uh, back in the late '90s, uh,
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a law was passed, uh, that mandated the release of all
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the declassi... uh, and the declassification of all the materials pertaining
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to JFK's assassination. The date they set
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fell early in Donald Trump's first term in 2017. Uh,
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and I brought this to his attention in
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a phone conversation. I said, "You know, this is coming up. What are you gonna do?" Uh,
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h- he wasn't aware of the deadline, but he said he'd check into it. Then he got back
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to me and he said, "You're right. Uh, this is all
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set to happen. Uh, what do you think, uh, I should do?" And I... My recommendation
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was to release it all. It'd been more than 50 years.
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Uh, there's nobody involved, uh, who was still alive, by and large. Uh,
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and if the... i- if elements of the government were involved in the murder of American
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president, well, the American people should know that. So he told me he was gonna think about it, uh, and I
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got the strong impression he was gonna release everything.
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Uh, and then he released about 80% of it. Now, we found out some very significant things
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in what he did release. For example, the KGB had run their own investigation.
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They had determined that there was a, a conspiracy, a plot, and that Lyndon Johnson was the
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centerpiece of it. Uh, the French, uh, intelligence had also run their own investigation, come up with the
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same conclusion. Uh, but then ultimately he released about 80% of it, held back about
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20%. Uh, and when I asked him why he did that, he told me that
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Mike Pompeo, then the head of the CIA, had convinced him, uh,
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that it was too explosive and it would expose the agency's methods and sources.
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So then I said, "Well, w- well, you've
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seen it all. What is it?" And he said, "It's, it's so terrible I can't tell you.
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I, I just can't tell you, but someday you'll know."
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Oh, wow. Trump sounds like shit then.
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All right.
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This doesn't make Trump sound good.
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Here's what I got for you.
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Uh-huh.
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Mike Pompouria's, next flavor.
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Exhales ] You know what? I... D- has he put out an album?
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Ooh, that's a good point.
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I don't want-
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Nevermind.
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No.
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No. No, no, no. I walk it back.
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Change it.
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I don't need it.
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No. No. I'm gonna save it. I'm gonna save this.
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Sure.
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Mike Pompeo Oreos, and then I'll watch, like, a speech that he gave at the Council on Foreign Relations.
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Okay.
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You know, I'll eat the Oreo while listening to him-
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I like it. I'll allow it.
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... um, wax on about foreign policy.
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That works.
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Um,
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look, that sounds bad.
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It doesn't sound good.
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I think, you know, you're trying to make a hero out of this Trump character.
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Hm.
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And I think that what you've shown is that he is weak and malleable
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and, uh, subordinate and maybe a fabulist.
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Yep.
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You know, maybe he's, uh, telling you, uh, "Oh, you don't even know. It's so crazy."
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Um, maybe he's a liar and, uh, weak.
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Yeah, it does feel like a lot of the times what they do is they just say the
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worst possible things, but they make it sound like it's good.
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Mm-hmm.
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If I... Look, I- I, maybe I have a devil may care kind of streak to me.
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Mm-hmm.
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But if I am in Trump's position-
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Sure.
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... I fuck around, accidentally become president-
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Sure.
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... I find out about the JFK stuff, and I'm willing to tell a dear, dear friend of mine that it's so horrible.
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Yeah.
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Oh, it's so horrible.
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The worst thing I've ever seen.
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I would risk my life to release that.
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Eh.
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And if the CIA head said, "You can't do it," I would say,
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"Well, we're at an impasse, and this is coming out."
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Yeah, then you're dead.
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Fine.
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The CIA kills the president all the time.
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Then I lied to Pompeo.
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There haven't even been four presidents who have ever made it to term. They all get killed halfway through.
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Yeah.
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Replaced by a CIA spy.
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I think that, uh, what, uh,
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Roger is somewhat describing, though not putting it this way-
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Mm-hmm.
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... is that Trump failed a test.
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Yes.
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Trump failed a very, very serious integrity test.
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Right.
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And we're trying to create the appearance that that is a sign of character.
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Right.
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And I think that sucks.
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Right. No, I mean, in their world,
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showing moderation and restraint is not a sign of good moral character.
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Mm-mm.
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No.
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No.
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It's the wrong move.
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Being convinced to not blow the lid off JFK, uh, assassination stuff, uh, at the behest of Mike Pompeo-
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Eh.
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... is not a flex.
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It would be really nice if they just got it out of our fucking system.
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Right, that's-
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It'd be nice if we were just fucking done with it.
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That's the only strong-
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Ugh.
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... feeling I have about the declassification stuff.
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Ugh.
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When I said I didn't care earlier, uh, I- I do mean that I don't particularly care.
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Right.
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But that argument that you're making is the only...
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It's the only thing that makes any... What are we, what are we hiding?
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Yeah.
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We've committed, like, two genocides since then. Move on.
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Right.
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Let's go. We've accepted whatever.
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And this, like, specter of what could be in there-
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Yeah.
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... is so fucking annoying. And it allows Alex and Roger to play these games.
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Ugh, yeah.
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So Alex, uh, back in the day-
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Mm-hmm.
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... he interviewed LBJ's, uh, mistress.
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(scoffs) That sounds right.
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And Alex tells the story about it.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then Roger accidentally reveals that Alex might be remembering a Geraldo piece that he saw.
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Ee. That might be the one.
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I interviewed Madeline Duncan Brown
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twice on my AXS TV show and once on my syndicated radio
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show in person. She still lived here in Austin. She was the admitted main mistress of LBJ, had a son with him.
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The main one.
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And-
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That was nice.
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She-
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I mean, he did have a lot.
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She was there.
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... who looked just like him, was a dead ringer for LBJ.
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Yeah, but she was on record... You know,
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this has not even been debated. And, and she said, you know, she was there a few days before, uh, in Dallas.
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And, you know, he came in to have sex with her in the hotel
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room, and she told me this right there, you know, in the studio.
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And she, and, and, and he said, "That
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son of a bitch Kennedy will never embarrass me again when he gets here in a few days."
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And then she heard him talking to other men, saying, "I want that son of a bitch dead."
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Yeah, there, there, there is... All of that is accurate. It's interesting that
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I was in a green room, uh, with Geraldo Rivera at Fox. Uh, this was, uh,
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after I wrote my book. And I told him that I had seen his iconic interview with Madeleine Brown in which
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she tells him that the night before the assassination, she had an assignation with
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LBJ in the Fort Worth Hotel, and he squeezed her hand and he said-
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What a similar story.
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... "After tomorrow, I won't have to put up with those Irish sons of bitches ever again."
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Yeah, that's the exact quote. And she told me that.
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It is that exact quote.
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We gotta find the video. See, I've got...
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And, and, and when I asked Geraldo about that, he said, "Who's Madeleine Brown?"
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(laughs)
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(laughs)
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He's done a lot of stuff, and I haven't.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's almost insulting.
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I, I mean, to say it to Alex's face instead of just going with, "How about that?"
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Right.
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Could have gone with, "How about that?"
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And I, I think that there's something to be said for, like, "Oh yeah,
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you know, after you did that interview, she was also on Geraldo," or something like that.
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Anything.
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But to s- to retell the exact story and refer-
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Mm-hmm.
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... to it as something that happened in an iconic Geraldo interview-
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Yeah.
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... or an iconic-
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The use of the word iconic is incredibly insulting.
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Yes. (laughs)
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He chose that word very specifically.
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Yeah. I think there's a passive aggression at very least-
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Yeah.
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... that's at play here.
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I think he should give out pents.
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You've just been rat fucked by Stone. You know, like, just boom. There you go.
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Welcome to the Stone Zone.
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I said iconic. Bam.
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Yeah.
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There you go. You got fucked.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's the way you should do it. That's the smart way.
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Uh, well, he had those autographed stones.
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Yeah, but that's really fucking stupid, and he should be embarrassed about that.
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I have one of them.
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Huh?
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A listener sent me one.
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Yeah, no, I understand. But you didn't come up with the idea of signing a rock.
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No, but it's a good idea if your name's Stone.
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Is it?
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Yeah, Oliver Stone did it.
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Did he?
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Yep.
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God damn it. People with the name Stone gotta get their shit together.
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His son, who I've forgotten his name, but is on an InfoWars sometimes. (laughs)
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Stone.
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In the past.
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Not a very creative, uh, groupage of names.
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So we got one last clip here.
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Hm.
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And, uh, it's Alex trying to, uh, get into the weeds with Roger-
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Right.
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... about this helicopter story.
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Sure.
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Um, and Roger, eh, doesn't care.
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What do you make of this helicopter thing? I had a bunch of FAA experts on. They say
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it i-... None of it makes sense. I mean, look at how all this works. Stuff was turned off. This is
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the most busy airspace in North America, and this
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helicopter for minutes, they're saying, "Stop, stop, stop." It's, like,
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flying around the, in the flight path. What the hell is that?
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First of all, we have to pray for all those victims, uh, uh, of both aircrafts. It's so... The whole thing is so
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horrific, just horrific. Uh, uh, in all honesty, today, because of our great show last night, I've been
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completely immersed in JFK, RFK, and MLK, uh, because of the media inquiries that our show last night
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generated. So I've read a little bit about
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this. My son, as you know, is a very accomplished pilot. He told me, "Dad, something's not
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right here," but I haven't had a chance to have an extensive conversation with him. As soon as he did-
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Well, okay, well, as soon as you're able, I wanna, I wanna... Have you had any other points? But
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wha-...
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I love the f-... Uh, the President really liked last night's show too.
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Uh, I heard that. Yes, I heard that.
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From who?
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President Trump: Well, I'm just... I mean, I'm, I'm flattered-
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From you?
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... that he was watching.
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(laughs)
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Uh, look, the, the president is a big fan, uh, uh, of yours, Alex-
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Meh.
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... because he knows that you've stuck with him through thick and thin and you've took, uh, some
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criticism. I remember when I first went to you, we met at the, at the, uh, during the JFK
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memorial celebrations. And I said to you, "You
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know what? Donald Trump's gonna be president." And you said, "Well, you know, Ted Cruz is a Texan. He's been
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talking to me, and I've been thinking about maybe supporting him. I'm not that political, really."
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Uh-oh.
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I said, "Alex,
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Donald Trump is gonna be president, and, and you have huge-"
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Here's a pen.
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"... influence with Republican primary voters 'cause of the giant audience
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of conservatives who watch InfoWars." And if anyone will read my book, The Making of the President 2016,
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uh, which you can find at stonezone.com, it's adoring.
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No, that's totally true, but I'd met you
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a few years before at another JFK deal. But I remember you saying, "Hey, I'm coming to Austin.
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Trust me, he's being the president."
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And I knew you were a serious guy. I said, "Well, come on," and you got me on board.
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This is like Steve Pachenik telling Alex, like, "I've misled you for 20 years." (laughs)
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The whole thing, the whole thing.
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I'm fascinated by the energy difference between the two of them, though.
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Yeah.
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Like,
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Roger knows he's connected to Trump, and so he kind of has a little bit of big dick energy.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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You know, there's a little bit of like, "I don't-"
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Yeah.
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"... I don't have to prove anything."
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Doesn't ha- He's very relaxed, yeah.
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And Alex is desperate to demonstrate this connection-
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Yeah.
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... and use Roger to validate it.
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Yeah, his desperation is, uh...
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It's loud.
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Delectable. (laughs)
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Yep, both delectable and loud.
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Yes.
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So also, the way he's describing their relationship is shady.
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Mm.
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Roger is telling Alex that Trump is gonna win so he should get on board. Like it sounds more like a negotiation
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than trying to get someone to support a candidate.
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A little bit, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That is bad.
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Oh, I mean, boy just hearing the words like,
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"Oh, you were telling me I'm not very political," like, (clicks tongue) wow.
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The InfoWars guy?
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Yep. Yep, yep. Not very political, huh?
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The guy who worked for Pat Buchanan's campaign-
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Not very, nah, not a political guy.
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... before he was on the air and tried to get, uh, Ron Paul elected for decades?
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I was thinking maybe Ted Cruz, but I don't really care about Ted
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Cruz. You just never know. It's a coincidence.
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How would the pre- How would the presentation on
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Alex's show in 2015 have been different if he was like, "I'm talking to, uh-"
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"I'm a hired gun."
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"... I'm talking to Ted Cruz about maybe supporting his campaign, but hey this Roger Stone
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guy is coming around and he's making some pretty compelling points."
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Mm.
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"Uh, hey, I'm up, I'm up for grabs." How would that be different than
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the way he actually, uh, tried to present himself on air?
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Well, because his whole thing is, uh, everybody else
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takes a big bag of money to say whatever it is that they're saying to
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you. (laughs) And, uh, it would m- it would look real bag if he, bad if he said, "I
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took a big bag of money to say this to you."
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Right, and a metaphorical big bag of money. It might not even be money.
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Ooh, not even, not even big enough.
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It might've been validation.
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Whatever amount, it was not big enough.
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"Hey, Roger, will you play along while I pretend that I'm Trump's best friend?"
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Oof.
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"Yeah, sure, I'll do that for you."
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I got that, yep.
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Yeah. Maybe that's it.
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Yep, you will be close to power.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You've always wanted legitimacy, i- has been given to you.
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And then like the, uh, ironic genie wishes of old-
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Ted Cruz isn't gonna give a fuck about you.
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You fuck... Nope.
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I'll still come on and be passive-aggressive with you and give you a pen.
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Eh, yeah. You gotta get pens. That's the way to go.
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Yeah, man.
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It really adds insult to injury if you get handed a pen.
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Mm-hmm.
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'Cause a card, sure, but that could be anything. A pen, that's a man who's got 48 cents to spend.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and you should probably make it, uh, like a funny font.
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Oh, of course.
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On the pen.
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If an- if anything, it should reveal a naked Roger Stone whenever you flip it over.
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Oh, that would be good.
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That's the way to do it.
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That'd be good.
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Yep.
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That's our next merch. (laughs)
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Yep, that's the way to do it. Naked Roger Stone pens, that's the way to do it. Welcome to the Stone Bone Zone.
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Right.
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Yep.
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Uh, so anyway, there's a lot going on in the world. And, uh, I feel like we are not capturing-
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Not here.
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... a great deal of it.
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Not here.
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I feel like there's almost like an ability to cover
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a thing, you know?
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Sure.
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Like there was the plane crash and Alex was able to
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try and struggle with that.
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Yeah.
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Um,
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I- I just,
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I was looking through like a list of Trump's executive orders-
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Mm-hmm.
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... and shit, and it's just baffling the amount of stuff that is not being, uh, addressed on his show at all.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But what do you expect, I guess?
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I mean, he doesn't have time to get into, uh, "Am I sure that it was in a coincidence?"
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Mm-hmm.
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He doesn't have time for that. How could he get into 200 executive orders? Just not possible.
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Well, the, uh, do I think this is d- just the way things work in a complex world?
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Do I think it is?
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I think that's something that if he did the level of preparation that he prepen- uh, pretends to-
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Mm.
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... he maybe should've come to a conclusion before getting on air about that.
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Ah, you know, but that's the thing about this funny mixed up world of ours.
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Yeah.
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It's so complicated.
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It is.
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He didn't have time.
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No, he couldn't think about whether cause and effect-
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It was a coincidence.
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... is, uh, a thing.
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Normally, he has time, but this time, out of nowhere.
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Yes.
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Coincidence.
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So anyway, we'll be back with another episode. See where, uh, Fe- ooh, we might get into February. (laughs)
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Hey, ooh, very exciting.
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Super Bowl's around the corner.
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Getting there.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that'll be great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
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Uh, so that'll be down the road. But until then, uh, we have a website.
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Indeed we do, at knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, uh, Leo MDZX-Clark. I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah! Woo, yeah, woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
