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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are the bad guys, knowledge
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fight.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're the
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dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex
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Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you, buddy.
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So, what's your bright spot today?
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Why don't you go first?
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Uh, I suppose my bright spot is, I mean, we might as well do it.
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The reason that I said why don't you go first is because I wanted to test you to see if
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it was going to be me or you, who was going to do it.
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You were, you were fucking, you were, I saw that smile on your face.
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You, you, you, you, you, you checked.
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You were playing poker and you checked on me, and I had to bet.
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Yeah, it was a trap.
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It was, it was.
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And now you're going to check raise you.
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And now you're going to raise it, and you're going, God damn it!
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I suppose it's a, it's a bright spot of sorts.
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Sure.
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On Friday night, last Friday, a couple days ago, during the day somebody texted me was
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just like, hey, you want to go on Laura Coates Live tonight?
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On CNN.
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Yeah, on CNN.
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And I was like, I've never heard of any of this before.
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So we did it.
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And, and ultimately we did go on it.
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We did.
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It was a weird day to get that text from you that someone was asking in the middle of the
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day while I'm like sort of trying to keep track of Alex's, his day that he's going,
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going through.
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A big day.
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You know, it is.
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There's the hearing that's going on.
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Alex has got some big guests on his show.
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And so yeah, to hear, it's a lot to, it's a lot to juggle.
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It's a lot to take in.
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So then ultimately we went on, it was, it was fine.
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Yeah.
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I think we were, I think we had fun.
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Yeah.
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It was a good time.
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I appreciate them having us on.
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Yeah.
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It's really cool.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, I, there's an, there's a lot of interesting dynamics to this.
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Like one is that the first time we did this, we didn't know that we were just going to
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be looking down at a screen, at a camera with no monitor and you can't see the person you're
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talking to.
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We didn't know that, but we did know that going in this time.
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Yes.
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And I think that made it a little more comfortable.
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It was.
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Second, you knew that someone was going to ask you to put on makeup.
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And so that was coming.
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There's the whole thing.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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So then, you know, being a little more familiar with the territory was, was, was helpful.
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Sure.
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And I think, well, I suppose here's the big thing.
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Unfortunately I have to give a massive apology.
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Well see, this is what I was going to get into.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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To, to my close friend, Matt Druffky.
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I didn't want to put you on the spot, so I'm really glad that you're bringing this up.
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I had to do it.
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I have to do it.
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So let me actually, let me set this up a tiny bit.
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Set the stage.
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Set the stage a little bit.
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So we were there and we were in the green room and actually this will weave into what
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I'm going to call my bright spot.
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Awesome.
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So we were in the green room and they have the show playing before we are going to go
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get mic'd up and sit in the room.
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Yes.
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And we see that there's a panel conversation going on on the show.
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And one of the guests is Joe Walsh.
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Joe fucking Walsh.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Noted asshole Joe Walsh.
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Just a piece of shit, Joe Walsh.
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Yeah.
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So we were sitting there thinking like, should we leave?
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I, I was.
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Yeah.
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Is this, is this a decision now that we need to make of like, can we be on the same show
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as Joe Walsh?
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Is this who we are now?
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Or whatever.
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Yeah.
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And so here, here's what I would say.
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It's tough to articulate, but here's the bright spot that I had was that I was there with
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you.
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Yeah.
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And I had a certain amount of confidence that no matter what happens, we'll be all right.
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Yeah.
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And that security and solidness of like, I mean, I guess if we storm out, we'll be okay.
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We'll be fine.
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I guess.
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Or if we go on and you do what you plan to do, we'll be all right.
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So anyway, this leads to your apology.
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Right.
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So my apology is that we had discussed it and I was like, well, now that this is, this
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is real, this is possible, it's happening.
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Yeah.
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And I had to say, Congressman Joe Walsh is a trash dick on national television.
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That's my plan.
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Right.
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And of course, as your disappointed dad, I had to say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You said no.
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But very softly.
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But you're, you know, you're like, your no's were required.
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They were, they were required no's, you know.
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Slightly.
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Yeah.
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Just, yeah.
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And it was, it was a moment where I had to decide if I was the person who was going to
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talk shit about that, or if I was going to actually fucking do it.
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Right.
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Right.
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And I, I was like smiling on the inside because finally I knew, I, you know, you've met, you'll
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never know if you're a person who can just fucking do whatever you want on TV.
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You'll never know.
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Right.
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Unless you get the chance.
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So this was my chance.
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Right.
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And so we were very, we weren't very disrespectful, but we didn't take the TV show too seriously.
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I think seeing Matt Walsh hurt, hurt our morale.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so then we kind of, and then at the end we kind of got into a role and she cut us
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off so quick that I forgot, I forgot.
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And then we were gone.
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Yeah.
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And my chance was gone.
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So your, your apology is to Drufke.
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My apologies to Matt Drufke.
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Yeah.
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But also I realized, uh, it was never going to go out.
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It's not that life.
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No, no, it's not, it's not immediate life.
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There would be a way to drop it.
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Yeah.
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They would, nobody would ever have known anyway.
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Right.
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Right.
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And also the other part of this that is my bright spot is I can find no evidence that
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this happened at all, aside from the fact that by my wife, my wife, my wife's mom watched
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it.
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Yeah.
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Took a picture and sent it to me and that is about, that's the only evidence I can find
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that we did this.
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It'll maybe be online sometime.
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I'm not sure.
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Um, I don't know.
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I think, I think that's, it's such an interesting moment because like, I think you did make
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the decision to say that and then sincerely forgot.
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Yeah.
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That's my take on the situation.
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I'm genuinely mad at myself.
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And it's very, it's very complicated position for me to begin because on the one hand, I
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think that it's probably unprofessional and disrespectful and, and I don't, I don't think
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that it's right to do that on someone's show, but at the same time I was like, wow, I can't
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be too mad.
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It'd be pretty great.
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Yeah.
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It'd be pretty great.
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Um, that was on the 17th or 14th and uh, that's what we're going to be going over today.
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We're going to be talking about Alex's show on the 14th, the day of the big, uh, the big
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hearing is, uh, the company was possibly going to be put into chapter seven liquidation.
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The judge was deciding whether or not he could personally, uh, go into chapter seven liquidation.
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And uh, so all those decisions were made and Alex had a spectacular, a big kind of, Oh,
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did he?
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Okay.
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So here's what happened.
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All right.
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I expected that I was going to wake up on Friday and I was going to click over to band
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dot video and I was going to watch a live show where Alex is on air while the hearing
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is happening and he's getting updates from the court or whatever and he's interviewing
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his big star guests, uh, Russell Brand and Tucker Carlson.
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Yeah.
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That is what I thought was going to happen.
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Yeah.
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Instead I wake up a couple hours, uh, before the show starts even and the interviews are
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already up.
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He prerecorded these interviews and they were already on band.video.
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So he just re aired these interviews while he went to the court.
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It's very anticlimactic.
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I was really expecting some kind of like a, the feeling of a standoff, the feeling of
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tension and then instead what you got is fucking Tucker Carlson interview.
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I mean, cause I kind of saw it as a new year's Eve kind of spec, you know, like the ball
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is going to drop.
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He's got all of his buddies coming in, you know, they're getting up there, Oh, it looks
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like we're five minutes away from losing everything.
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You know, that's, that sounds fun.
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This is just pretty pre-taped interviews.
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Just pre-taped.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So what we're going to be going over is the, Alex did a little press conference, a little
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mini press conference before the hearing and then we're going to talk about Tucker Carlson's
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interview.
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Right.
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Russell Brand's interview was pretty boring and I'm not, we're not going to go over that.
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And then there was the war room, which is when the actual announcement of the verdict
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from the court came out.
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And that is just a long stretch of time of Owen sort of vamping.
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And then Alex shows up and he's like, this is a victory for the info war.
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And it's like, it's kind of boring and you know, I, you know, I don't know yet.
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I don't know.
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I think I do know.
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I know I've decided, I know just now it is super sad, but there is a part of me, the
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Chicago comic part of me that says, you got to do your time, admires Owen for sticking
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around until the bitter end.
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Yeah.
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But the human part of me is like, you idiot.
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It's get the fuck out of there.
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It's amazing.
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And he's like talking to Alex about like they were, they were saying that the CRO, this,
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this has all become a lot of drama with that CRO, Pat McGill.
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That's great.
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And apparently Pat McGill wanted to, he was shopping around for other right wing hosts
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to come in and fill Alex's shoes.
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Yeah.
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So drew Hernandez, the baby reporter apparently got approached and was like, would you like
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to take over info wars?
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And so Owen was talking about this, he's like, you know, I'm a, I'm loyal, I'm loyal, man.
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I wouldn't work if they got rid of you.
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You didn't get offered the job under Drew Hernandez.
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Well, but Owen and Harrison and Chase Geyser, apparently everyone knew that they were too
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like fiercely loyal to even approach about taking over.
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So that's why they went to Drew Hernandez.
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Sure.
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I don't think any of this is true.
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Oh man.
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Owen was also, he had his blazer, his coat on and he was taking it off and putting it
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back on.
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He was heating up at various points, but it was, it was all just kind of boring.
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Yeah.
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That sounds right.
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So we're going to get down to business on this, this part of the 14th.
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But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, hi Kevin, it's, it's Andrew, Dan and Jordan.
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Do you think it would be more beneficial for Alex?
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Just say real solemnly on air, imitate Alex, the globalist have rebranded 65% of our audience
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to try and get me off the air.
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We need to start from ground zero again.
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Thank you so much.
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You're a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Get ready.
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These are block text momentum.
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That might be.
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That might be more beneficial.
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It could work.
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Uh, next, uh, God appeared before me in a haze, eating a bag of Takis and cough, uh,
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coughing out it's party time.
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And all I got was the ability to predict a predict time by waking up to find my clock
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set at 4 20 AM.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Uh, thank you.
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Uh, next, uh, I also do the thing where I wake up in the middle of the night and know
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exactly what time it is.
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And I just want to state for the record that having a decently reliable internal clock
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does not mean that God is real.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next.
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Uh, Hey Tyler, a hundred people approached me at Matt's El Rancho telling, uh, to tell
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me they love you, support you and wish you a happy birthday, sincerely your favorite
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brother-in-law.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And I'm going to go donkey Kong King Kong crazy if zero sum doesn't hear this message
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in about 45 days.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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So let's start with the, uh, the press conference that Alex had, uh, and it's, it's well done.
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It starts like there's multiple angles of Alex walking up to the front of the courthouse.
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There's a person in front of him with a camera, one, probably one of his employees, and you
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can see chase geyser behind him following with a camera.
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Okay.
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So it's his own controlled press conference.
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It's not like WB and VAR.
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This is kind of the intro, you know, like he, there's a cinematic him walking to the
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front of the courthouse.
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Sure.
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And there, there are some camera people that I think were probably actual like local media
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media.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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And then there's chase and then there's his employees.
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Yeah.
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I think there was, I don't know, I couldn't tell.
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There was a few people who had mics and cameras on him, but it wasn't huge.
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Yeah.
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It was a nice opportunity for him to talk to some cameras.
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Yeah.
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And so we start where he starts, uh, talking about how he's been wronged.
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Okay.
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What we're witnessing here is lawfare and the weaponization of the legal system.
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I was the test case for what's now being done to president Trump, Steve Bannon and others.
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This is an attempt at digital assassination.
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I never said it at any of the things they claimed on Sandy hook to judges in Texas and
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Connecticut found me guilty by default and then had literal show trials on how guilty
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I was.
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The billion half dollar verdict is a fraud.
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The judges had already told the juries that I was guilty.
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Now we've been in bankruptcy for almost two years proving that everything they claimed
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about me having hundreds of millions of dollars was not true.
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Notice you don't hear about that anymore.
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None of that was true.
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And now instead of wanting the money that is there, the so-called plaintiffs who really
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aren't the families, it's the government that's been behind it that's come out in court, want
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me silenced.
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So Alex has been wronged by all of this.
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He's doing the only thing he came to standing up in front of this court room, a court building
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and telling you he's been wronged.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So there's, there's just such an attack.
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You know, they want to close his businesses.
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They wanted all this destroyed and now they want to take his Twitter.
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Hell yes.
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We did.
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The destruction of the first amendment in America.
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And now the plaintiff's lawyers, democratic party lawyers out of Connecticut have filed
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today to try to take real Alex Jones on X away from me.
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Now they want my identity under the terms of service of X cannot do that because it's
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my own personal property.
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These people want me silenced.
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It is completely and totally transparent.
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And the world is seeing through this.
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I was asked by one reporter earlier, is this the end?
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This is probably the end of info Wars here very, very soon.
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If not today in the next few weeks or months, but it's just the beginning of my fight against
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tyranny.
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As the founder of the U S Navy said during the revolutionary war, John Paul Jones, when
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his ship about a third of the size of the British ship he was fighting was starting
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to sink.
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And the British officers held a cross on their bullhorn and said, would you like to surrender?
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He said, surrender.
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I have only begun to fight.
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People know I've been right.
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They know what I really cover.
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Tens of millions of people a day want to hear what I actually have to say.
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Not what the corporate media says.
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So this question about his Twitter is actually a pretty interesting one.
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I don't know how this is going to end up shaking out.
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Yeah.
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Alex's Twitter handle is not entirely a personal Twitter account.
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It's used for business purposes and it's monetized in a way that could make it an asset in the
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context of a bankruptcy, which might make it something that the plaintiffs can have
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liquidated.
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It seems obvious to me that the at info Wars handle is company property.
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So if you buy free speech systems, you now own that in the same way that you'd own their
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URLs.
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But the real Alex Jones one is a little weirder.
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Alex could argue it's his own personal property, in which case it seems even more vulnerable
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to liquidation since he's personally in chapter seven bankruptcy.
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And that could be seen as a valuable asset that someone could sell.
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On the other hand, he could make the argument that it's a business Twitter account and that
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free speech systems actually owns it, which would probably protect it from being seized
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in the near term, but would also mean that whoever buys the company gets control of that
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username.
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There are a couple of ways that this could go, but if you view the Twitter handle as
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an asset, which you almost certainly would, there is little reason that the accounts couldn't
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be seized.
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This exact same scenario played out in 2015 when a man named Jeremy Alcide filed bankruptcy
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for his business Tactical Firearms.
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In the bankruptcy, the court ruled that his business estate included personal social media
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accounts, which could mean that the other accounts of people like Owen, Chase, and Harrison
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are also pieces of the free speech system bankruptcy estate.
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All of their Twitter handles could be wrapped up in this.
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Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter too much, but it could be a pretty big annoyance.
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Alex could easily start another Twitter account and get a comparable amount of followers.
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It would just be kind of funny.
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It would be very funny.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it would be kind of funny that Musk allowing you to monetize it directly is part
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of the reason that it is so apparent that it's an asset.
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If it was just his account that was not directly monetized, like your i account from way back
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in the past when we used to tweet stuff, then it's very much people would be like, oh, don't
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take that away.
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But now it's like, yeah, that makes blank amount per month, so that's somebody else's.
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Thanks, Elon Musk, apparently.
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It's hard to argue with it being a revenue stream.
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Way to go, Elon.
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You did it again.
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So Alex discusses some of the possible outcomes of the court hearing that he's about to go
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enter in.
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And I realized this is fucking great.
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This is so good.
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Yeah.
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He's just standing in front of this courthouse, but what he's really doing is a promo for
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his show.
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So the judge today could rule to put this into a chapter seven free speech systems and
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appoint a trustee and begin to shut it down the next few days or weeks, or he can hand
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me back to company.
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They're still going to be attacking at the state level and trying to shut it down regardless.
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Infowars is not the operation.
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Alex Jones and my crew and my listeners and my viewers and our guest is the operation.
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And that's why this is only going to make me stronger.
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And I will never surrender in this information war.
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And as Colonel Travis said, victory or death, we are winning.
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The people are winning.
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The corporate media is lying.
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And I'm shooting this right now for the start of my show today, 11 AM central coming up
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today in just a few minutes, we're going to have the interview I did yesterday for an
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hour and 40 minutes with the great Tucker Carlson.
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Oh wow.
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Let's just jump to that then.
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Cause fuck, this is boring.
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Yeah.
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Way to go.
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Good job.
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It's a way of, of hijacking a certain type of, of what this is expected to be you giving
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information about the situation with the court and instead you're getting your talking points
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out and then promoting your, your shit.
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I mean, it is, it is a man who's turned his life into the show.
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You know, his life is the show.
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It doesn't matter what part of it you're apparently in at any given point in time.
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And there's always going to be a plug.
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Yep.
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You know?
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Yep.
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It's cause next time on the show.
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After dinner with him, he's going to be like, I got to get out of here, but I got to tell
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you about my new supplement.
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Hey, next week we've got a really great new product coming in.
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I'm your daughter.
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So we do have Tucker Carlson on.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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And so it's pre-taped so that makes it a little bit dull.
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Yeah.
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Kind of.
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I mean, he's the most important man in the world.
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He is.
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Yeah.
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And this is a crazy interview, but at the same time it lacks the edge or the danger
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of it being live while the court case is going on and all that.
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It would have had a certain bit of a heightened element to it that it lacks.
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But it's still given Alex some butterflies.
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Well, I've interviewed a lot of amazing people.
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I've interviewed President Trump, you name it.
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And I never get butterflies.
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But for this interview I do, I absolutely love Tucker Carlson.
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He's changed the world.
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He is the top political commentator in the world, hands down in his incredibly busy schedule.
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He has decided to give us about an hour and a half interview here today.
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And this is in the twilight of Infowars.
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It can be eminently shut down.
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So I can't see us going out better than with Tucker Carlson.
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He didn't go out with Tucker Carlson.
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No.
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He did his show on Saturday.
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I was going to possibly cover that, but it was mostly him talking to his gold sponsor
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and it was kind of infomercial-ish.
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But yeah, he didn't go out with us.
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It's not a bang.
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It does feel like, I mean, I've always dreamt of making an exit.
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When it's time to go, and you know it's time to go, go out with a bang.
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Go out and then ride off into the sunset.
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Do something like that.
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There are so many opportunities to go out with a bang here.
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And I feel like we have taken everyone and shat on its face.
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Like it is bad.
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Sure.
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You know?
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Yeah, Saturday, that breakdown of an episode, that could have been his going out with a
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bang.
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Perfect.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, it is going to be disappointing, whatever the bang ends up being.
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And it's not this interview with Tucker Carlson.
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So I don't know.
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One of the things I wanted to do was I wanted to pull together a list of all of the people
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who have ever given Alex butterflies.
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Because he talks about how he doesn't give butterflies when he interviews people, and
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then says that this person does.
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This person, however, is unlike all the others, the several hundreds of people that I tell
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this to.
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Yeah.
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Trump among them, who didn't give him butterflies according to this, but then he did say that
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when.
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It is the definition of, I bet he says that to all the girls.
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Chuck Norris.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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Yep.
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So I mentioned on our last episode that Tucker is going on tour.
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Sure.
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So this, this comes up a little bit here.
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So Tucker, thank you so much for the time.
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My friend, of course, you've announced a big nationwide tour that I'm very proud to be
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a small part of just so much going on.
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Your network is exploding.
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I know you don't ever talk about Fox getting rid of you, but man, it's got to feel vindication
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and good that I would say you reach about 10 times more people now than when you were
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on Fox.
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So it's great to have you.
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Well thank you.
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It actually felt good the first day.
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I enjoy being fired actually because it forces you to stop doing what you're doing and take
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an assessment.
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I'm honored to be here.
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I'm here obviously because we're friends, but, but I'm really here on principle because
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I, there's nothing you've ever said in your entire life or done in your entire life that's
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scarier or more threatening to our country than what they're doing to you right now.
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Oh, that's dumb.
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Yeah.
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So when Tucker announced his tour, Alex was set to be a guest on the September 16th show
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in Milwaukee.
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As soon as this was announced, there was massive pushback against the Fiserv forum for hosting
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this event.
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And in short order, Alex's name was taken off the website and now the guest is listed
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as to be announced.
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Some places are reporting that as Alex getting dropped from the event, but I wouldn't be
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too surprised if this was just a negotiation they had to make to not lose the venue.
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Alex can come, but you have to take his name off it so the venue can pretend to keep their
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hands clean.
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It's to be announced when you introduce Alex on your show.
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Three of the other dates also have guests that are to be announced later, but those
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events didn't have announced guests who were later retracted.
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So I have to assume that they're different, equally problematic people that venues don't
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want to be associated with.
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Like maybe Tucker's flying in Putin or Viktor Orban for his show in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
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Whatever the case, this is going to be a fucking disaster.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I think about it and I realized that it would involve being in an arena full of people who
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aren't there as a joke.
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Not for us.
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It sounds like a terrifying environment.
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Yeah, not good.
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I don't want to do it.
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Not good.
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I might do it though.
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I don't.
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I love, I love how dumb we all are as human beings.
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Just this idea of like, okay, well yeah, just because out of all of the tour dates, at least
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four or five of them have Nazi guests, right?
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It doesn't mean we're going to cancel Tucker.
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He's not a Nazi.
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It's just that some of his guests are Nazis.
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Are you not allowed to speak?
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You can't be like, Tucker also can't come now.
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If you have a Nazi, you can't come even if you get rid of the Nazi.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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There is a trend through his guests that is not good.
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It's not a great list.
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Hey, listen, you're great, but all your friends are Nazis.
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Somehow that doesn't make me question you at all.
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No, you're good.
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So I do think that Tucker says something that I do relate to though in that clip.
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And there are a couple points where he does say things that are like, that's a good point.
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I enjoyed getting fired because it allows you to reassess.
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That kind of mentality, I can dig.
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That's one of the problems with Tucker is that every now and again, he'll say something
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like that and I'm like, yeah, that's a good thought.
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That's a fine human thought.
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You're going to take it some more bad.
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Yeah.
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But it's fine for now.
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So he's honored to be there.
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He's super thrilled, loves Alex and doesn't understand why everyone hates Alex.
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If you had spent the last 20 years attacking, I don't know, the white working class, right?
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Or the country, America, it's founding documents, Thomas Jefferson, you know, you'd be lauded,
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but you did the one thing you're not allowed to do, which is you attack the people in charge.
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And that's why they're trying to take you off the air.
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And I think we should be really clear about that.
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You've never done anything but attack the people in charge.
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That's your crime.
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That's not true.
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So one thing I think is interesting is like, you could make an argument that Alex attacks
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Thomas Jefferson by all the fake quotes he throws around.
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That's a good point.
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Blasphemy.
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Yes, maybe.
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I would go there.
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I think Tucker has a version of Alex that he likes to pretend is real and that's who
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he's interacting with.
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I mean, I guess, I don't know if this particular part is that or if it's kayfabe.
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You know what I mean?
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Is Tucker interacting with what Alex is supposed to be for the show or is Tucker interacting
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with what he thinks Alex is?
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You know what I mean?
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I'm more drawn to kayfabe as the explanation, but at the same time, it's difficult for me
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to imagine that someone like Tucker could sit through an episode of Alex's show.
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Right.
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No, that's definitely true.
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So I don't know if he knows.
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I don't know if a lot of these people actually have ever listened to Alex.
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When we were on the CNN show, we brought up that Alex thinks that he gets visions from
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God and is fighting demons.
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There was almost an incredulous response.
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Is this true?
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Is this real?
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Yeah.
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People don't listen to his show.
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They don't know that he talks about this stuff most of the time.
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You think he's just this, but he's actually a lot more.
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Yeah.
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So Tucker has this idea from a couple of clips he's seen and edited videos that Alex's employees
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have put out.
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Sure.
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He's this truth teller who speaks to power and all this.
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I think maybe he's just fine with believing that that's who he is.
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Tucker has an ability to say bald face to untrue things with such conviction.
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Oh yeah.
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And it's a type of conviction that is different.
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It's not the type of active conviction.
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It's the type of conviction that's like, I don't even have to question this as something
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that's true.
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Where it's like, well, I mean, I would, Oh, I truly believe I don't even have to do any
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of that.
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Cause this is so obvious that the ground is there.
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Alex is a truth teller.
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Like that's so obvious.
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But they are so obviously untrue and it is terrifying that a human being can do that.
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Well, the dynamics of truth are definitely something that's going to be wrestled with
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on this interview.
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Well, I think I mean specifically because of all of that stuff you can do, you can play
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around with your perceptions however you like, but there is one thing that is absolutely
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true and that is that Alex does not punch up.
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Alex is not an up puncher.
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Alex loves a good punch down.
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If you imagine the devil is who you're against, that's punching up.
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Sure.
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Supernatural beings.
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Sure.
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But I'm talking about, Oh, this, this woman who was, I mean, blank, you know, like any
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number of things, Obama phone lady, just like that idea of like, there's always a punch
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down.
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There's always punching down.
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Yeah.
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He does do a lot of that.
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So, uh, we get to back to this idea of, uh, you enjoyed being fired.
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Yeah.
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Um, and Alex, he asks about this and we enter a segment of this interview that is really
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fun to look through.
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Uh, like imagine that Tucker is insulting Alex.
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He's not, but imagine that he is.
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Okay.
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So, so let's go back to what you first said.
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You loved being fired.
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I mean, when I said 10 times bigger than you were, you know, you were huge, but you're
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definitely 10 times conservatively bigger reaching 500, 700 million people with your
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shows.
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Normal shows, 50 million.
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I mean, that is, that is massive instinctively when you got unceremoniously fired at Fox,
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they wouldn't even tell you why very Kafka ask, why was that so exciting to you?
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And now what is it like to be fully the captain of your ship?
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Well, I mean, of course it's painful, you know, it's always painful to, you know, have
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anything unexpected happen in your life because you think, you know, you can see the future,
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but it's really a blessing to be reminded that you can't and that things changed abruptly
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with the, you don't have control really over most of your life and you certainly don't
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have control over history.
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So you're just sort of flotsam bobbing along, trying to make the right decisions moment
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to moment.
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You're talking to someone who can see the future.
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I mean, it's nice to be reminded that you can't see the future person who can see the
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future.
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It's so, it's so hard whenever they like, Hey, let's, let's cut out all the bullshit.
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Let's have a real personal conversation.
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And you're like, yeah, that's how a human being would talk.
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And then you, but you're right.
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You can't be a wizard and also be like, ah, life is weird, right?
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Guys, you're a wizard, do something about it.
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I would love it if I could do magic.
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You said you could do magic.
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You said you could do magic.
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You're a wizard.
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Yeah.
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So this goes on for a bit.
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It just seems like he's like, it would be so funny if he was talking shit, but he's
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not as frustrating.
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Well, the reason that I liked being fired within like 20 minutes, I was in a good mood
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because I recognize the pattern.
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It's always the bad things that turn out to be the greatest things in your life.
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You know, it's getting really sick and surviving.
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It's you know, it's, it's something you didn't expect at all.
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That hurts that forces you to take an assessment of what you're doing and change.
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And you won't change unless that happens.
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I mean, there's really nothing worse for people, particularly for men than just succeeding
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because it ratifies all of your decisions.
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It makes you, you know, after a while you like confuse yourself for Jesus.
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You just think, well, I'm successful cause I'm just so great.
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You know, I earned this.
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I'm like, I'm an amazing person unlike everybody else.
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And I think it's absolutely vital for your soul, but also for your clear judgment to
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remember, no, I'm this sort of ungainly ridiculous primate who lucked into some things, made
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some good decisions, a lot of bad decisions.
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Like see yourself in context, see yourself as you really are.
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You know, you're, you're absurd.
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We're all absurd.
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You are absurd.
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This is, this is, this would be a damning indictment of Alex.
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I mean, yeah.
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If he were saying it in a slightly different tone, this could be so judgmental.
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This is the worst thing to say directly to a person's face whenever they're going through
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what Alex is going through and that he can deliver it in that tone.
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Amazing.
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The worst thing that can happen to a man named Alex Jones is being successful and thinking
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that makes you right about everything that you've basically got.
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It is a list.
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It is a laundry list of the worst thing that can happen to, Hey Alex, isn't that what happened
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to you?
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Yeah.
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So anyway, humans, uh, they imagine they have powers that they don't.
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I, I, I, are we, is he, this happens every time we do a Tucker episode.
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I'm always like, is he fucking with me?
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He might be.
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He can't be.
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Really?
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That's the, that's the way that people destroy themselves.
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I mean, humans are distinct from the animal kingdom in one meaningful way.
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They kill themselves.
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Animals don't.
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I mean, no dog has ever decided to kill himself.
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It just, it never occurs to a dog or to a porcupine or to any other animal, only two
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people.
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And they always kill themselves in the same way by imagining they have powers.
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They don't mistaking themselves for God.
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And I mean, this is just the most consistent theme in all history.
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And again, men are pray to it in a way that women generally aren't obviously Tori and
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Newland would be a huge exception.
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Hillary Clinton.
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I mean, there are exceptions, but the male temperament is particularly susceptible to
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the delusion that, you know, I'm Jesus.
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And those people are the most dangerous and you're right.
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When they have the power to destroy the world, which they do you know, they're terrifying.
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Yeah.
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Alex shouldn't have nukes.
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Although I do think that there's I guess it's not as dangerous that he just thinks God tells
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him what time it is in the middle of the night.
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I mean, stakes wise, it's way better for all of us.
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Sure.
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If God's sticking at those levels of superpowers.
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I guess the ultimate thing that could happen is a war over daylight savings time or something
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like that.
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I don't see it.
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That seems to be the end of that road.
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Things are very polarized.
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People get hot over a lot of stuff and daylight savings time truly doesn't make sense.
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It's insane.
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It's insane.
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So yeah, why not fight over it?
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It's better than most of the stuff.
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And half of the time it really angers people.
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It really does!
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And the other half of the time people really like it.
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It gives you a little extra time to sleep.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, makes sense.
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So all of this, I was listening to it and I'm like, if he was self-aware of like what
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Alex's positions are and the kind of shit that he talks about fairly regularly, this
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would be insulting.
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This is the meanest thing.
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I could not imagine being able to say something this mean to a person for this long.
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But he's not.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Yeah.
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And Alex knows that he's not.
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It's very surreal.
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It's very weird to listen to.
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It's crazy.
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So they talk a bit about how nuclear war is imminent and it's going to happen and such.
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And every news show should just say that ahead of every, like, entertainment, stories, hey,
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there's a premiere tonight and here's the red carpet.
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Also nuclear war is coming.
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Every single show.
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That would be helpful.
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It's shocking to me that the Today Show and Good Morning America and the New York Times
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and the Washington Post don't begin every story no matter what the topic with, you know,
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by the way, we're on the cusp of nuclear war because there's nothing more important than
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that.
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But they don't.
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They hide it.
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And by the way, when you say one more thing, you're very gracious when I've been on your
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show and just let me go on for 20 minutes of time.
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We want the deep Tucker Carlson.
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People love the Joe Rogan, one of the most viewed interviews ever ever see 100 million
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views, folks.
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I've watched it twice.
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My wife watched it twice.
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My whole family, everybody knows I'm talking about it.
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And Joe's great.
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He's better than I am at interrupting.
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But I want to be even better than Joe.
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I want to give you time to keep elaborating on this because you've really got a lot of
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research into this.
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And I want to get back into the suicide death cult.
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OK, sure.
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I want to be better than Rogan.
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Yep.
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Great.
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Good for you.
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What a weird interaction between totally friends.
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Yeah.
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Just I think that it would get exhausting if every single news story also had nuclear
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war as possible.
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I mean, I will tell you this.
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I think one thing they're underestimating is people's ability to drown things out after
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a certain length of time.
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And if you did start every day, it'd be like if you forced me to start every day with the
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Pledge of Allegiance, you know, like, that's wrong, but I've already done it before.
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I could get through it.
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Start to lose its meaning a little bit.
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I'd be like, fine.
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I do this every morning.
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Whatever.
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I brush my teeth.
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I pledge allegiance.
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You know, we go we get through it.
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Yeah, it doesn't matter.
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And I would even say that I bet that Tucker doesn't start all of his shows saying nuclear
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war is coming.
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He should, since that's what he's giving advice to do.
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When he interviewed that guy who claimed that he had sex with Obama, did he start that with
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nuclear war?
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That would be a good that's and that's a good time to remind people.
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Sure.
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Yeah, sure.
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Yeah.
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So one of the big things that Tucker is about is reproduction, human.
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These people are so creepy and gross.
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They really are.
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They really are creepy and gross.
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I mean, it's it's based on this weird like it's essential that your genes pass on.
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It's the only thing that matters.
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Totally.
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And it's just it's really creepy.
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And then it always pivots.
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It always pivots into bigotry.
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Yeah.
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Always ends up.
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And so, of course, this ends on a transphobic note.
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Yeah.
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The bottom line imperative in evolution biology is survival.
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You know, the whole point of existence is to pass on your genes to another generation
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and continue the line of humanity.
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So and I think that's right, actually.
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I think that is our instinct.
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So whenever you see people who are pushing for the end of humanity, pushing for suicide,
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you know that the controlling power is, by definition, not human.
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That's my approach is logically here, like what are we watching?
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And I don't think that we're watching the product of human greed here, for example.
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And a lot of people, and I've been one of them many, many times, say, well, you know,
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the real story here, you know, the real reason this is happening is because Larry Fink is
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going to buy all the farmland in Ukraine and he's going to make a ton of money for BlackRock.
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Or the reason, you know, we have so many transvestite children is because the, you know, hormone
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makers are making a bundle on this or the reason they're pushing the COVID vax is because
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Moderna and Pfizer are getting rich.
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I mean, on one level, that is all true, of course, but it's not what's driving it.
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No one is going to survive a nuclear exchange.
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The people who are pushing us, no one on the National Security Council is going to have
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a better life if there's a nuclear war.
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Everything that they know and love will be gone, including their own children.
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So this is not actually something they're doing for their own benefit, whether they
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know it or not.
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They're being driven to do it by spiritual forces.
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I mean, I don't, I mean, if there's another explanation, by the way, I'm completely comfortable
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having grown up a secular person in a secular country with a secular explanation for what
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we're watching.
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I can't think of one, tell me what it is, but I can't, I don't see any rational reason.
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I don't see any actual self-interest that could be motivating the desire to commit mass
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suicide.
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I just don't.
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And I would, by the way, say that the trans, the transgender, the stuff is a form of mass
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suicide.
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You're preventing your children from having children, therefore you go extinct.
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Okay.
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So of course, obviously it always, it always veers this direction.
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Yeah.
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I think that there's obviously a difference between let's say wanting a nuclear war and
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wanting people to be able to be themselves if they choose.
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Yeah.
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I think that there's a difference there.
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A little bit.
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So I, it's, it's fun for him to make these analogous in some way, but I think that's,
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it says more about Tucker.
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There's something, there's something, cause I, I read Nick Bostrom's new book.
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There's something about this ecosystem of like, if you're in this white dude ecosystem
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of the Joe Rogan's and the intellectual dark web.
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Yeah.
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That like we were smart.
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Okay.
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Where are the future?
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You know, that kind of thing.
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They turn into eugenicists in like five minutes.
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Like it is crazy how fast they're like, well listen, I understand cause cause this is their,
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this is their brains, right?
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Their brains are like, I am super smart, obviously.
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And what's holding me back from doing what I think is the super smart thing to do is
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morality.
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And I'm a moral person, so I'm not going to do the super smart thing to do because that's
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immoral, right?
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That's what keeps the super smart people from doing super smart things like eugenics.
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Right.
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Right.
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And then like two minutes later, you're like, well, I mean, if I was in power, I would do
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eugenics, obviously.
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But I mean, morally speaking, I'm against it.
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And you're like, I will.
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Great.
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You guys are fucking insane.
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I mean, I think that this is something that is a problem with a lot of futurists, even
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through history.
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That's fair.
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You know, there's a, there's a, there's a fair amount of that bias that, that plays
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in.
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It is, it is almost always that it's almost always people telling on themselves of being
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like, well, here's what somebody super smart would do that I won't do because I'm a good
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person.
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Right.
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And you're like, you're telling me what you don't think you are.
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Well, you know, it's, it, yeah.
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It's Alex saying, I know the globalist plans cause it's what I would do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's you, man.
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That's you, man.
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That's you.
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So I also, I think that, um, when you run into this, like it's essential that people
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reproduce, right?
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And if they don't, then that's unhuman.
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You run into a lot of really problematic and troubling ideas.
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Sooner or later, you're going to get that.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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People who are with the, who are not able to reproduce.
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Let's let's select traits right now.
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Everybody might find they have disagreements over what traits are good and bad.
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And then who gets to choose what traits they like veering close to that.
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And I think it's, I think it's bad.
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And it's white dudes.
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Um, it just boils down to like white dudes are like, why can't we all be white dudes?
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It's insane.
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Um, so if you are a parent, the only thing that you should want is to be a grandparent.
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That's the only thing I should want?
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Yes.
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Except fulfillment, satisfaction.
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That's why you should not accept your children if they're trans.
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Interesting.
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Let's, let's re-enroll the politics.
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Can I just say it's not just hurting your children, it's hurting you because the deepest
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desire of every parent is to have grandchildren, not just for sentimental reasons, but for
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biological reasons to see your line continue.
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That is the most natural of all instincts.
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So when you see somebody act against that, then you know, this is probably not a human
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impulse, right?
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This is unnatural.
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This is in fact, I would say super natural.
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Um, and that's exactly in my view what it is.
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Unless you can think of some better secular explanation that we can, you know, measure
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in the lab.
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But I can't.
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And I've thought about it a lot.
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Have you?
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Cause that's incredibly stupid.
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Yeah.
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That's real dumb.
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I don't know what to say in response.
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Where to start.
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It's incredibly dumb.
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Is that what you base your life on?
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Stop!
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I can't come up with a better explanation, so it must be a spiritual force.
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Oh boy.
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That's a great start.
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I think that's a good reason to do anything really.
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Yeah.
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I can't think of a better reason to do that.
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So it must be because of God.
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Probably a demon or a god.
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Probably a demon or a god.
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Right.
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That is strange.
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Why?
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We live in 2024.
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Uh huh.
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Anything like that?
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No.
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Honestly, I distrust meteorologists and scientists.
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Sure.
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So for me, the only explanation for why there's rain is because of God's tears.
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Right?
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I mean, it's the only... I'm a rationalist.
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Right.
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And if you can give me a better example, a better explanation, and keep in mind, I don't
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trust any scientist or meteorologist.
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I was going to say, I suspect that I could, and yet it would not be accepted yet.
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You would just reject out of hand all rational explanations in favor of maintaining your
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stupid one.
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Once again, it feels like this is a you thing.
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Yeah.
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It very much is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Alex asks what it's like to realize that you're in a supernatural battle.
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That's a good question.
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That is a good question.
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Alex, I don't know if he was expecting this, but Tucker takes a pretty classy angle.
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Good call.
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I've heard you talk about this some, but can you elaborate on growing up Episcopalian,
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you were never a Satanist, you kind of believed in God from what I've heard, but weren't sure
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about it and liked the idea of Christianity, but then you've told me some of your private
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stories, I told you some of mine, we're not going to get into those here, but the process
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of you in the last four or five years, really communicating what everybody else is feeling
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and seeing.
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Either you're totally in the matrix and don't see any of it and do whatever you're told
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and you will look to bugs and you know, love all this evil smaller and smaller group, or
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there's the majority of us really, they don't have all the answers, but are trying to figure
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this out.
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What was that process like for you coming to this realization that it's good versus
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evil and that there are forces other than human?
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Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's a process still, I mean, I, and by the way, one of the reasons
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I'm uncomfortable talking about it is because I hate to sort of hold myself up as an advertisement
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for the world's largest faith or pretend to be a spokesman for God.
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I think you bring disaster upon yourself when you do that.
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I've noticed.
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I mean, there's a reason that preachers are disproportionately likely to get caught up
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in sex scandals or get addicted to porn or smoke meth, or, you know, they're under attack.
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The second you say, I represent a billion Christians, you are under attack.
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And so I, I certainly don't represent a billion Christians or Christianity or Jesus or anything
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like that.
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I'm as flawed as anybody you'll ever meet more than most.
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You might be thinking backwards a little bit about the, uh, fascinating, but also you're
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talking to someone who speaks for God, literally, he has said, he speaks literally for God.
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You dumb fuck.
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It is insane.
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Yeah.
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It is awareness about the situation you're in.
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You're talking to God's messenger.
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I mean, he was chosen when he was a boy.
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Yeah.
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Dreams.
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What else is there to say to this man?
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I'm pretending that, uh, there's, there's some kind of like, uh, where this, this false
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humility is ridiculous.
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It's always funny.
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Now.
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Uh, I think maybe these were different back in the day, especially through prints.
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Like when you could only read these types of interviews through like a, a Rolly stone
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or like a Playboy magazine and be like, ah, like now you watch actor musician interviews
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and it is that same kind of cadence of question of like, oh, you started this movie.
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What was your process like while you were trying to figure out this character?
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And it's like, oh, that's a normal question at, he was literally asking him, what's it
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like to figure out it's you versus the devil in a cage match and we're all just in there
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like, yeah, I know it was an interesting, a realization that I came to.
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That's not how you answered that question.
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This is not some random person off the streets he's talking to.
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This is a person who had the highest rated show in cable news.
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This is ridiculous.
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I can't handle it.
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So Tucker describes his path towards accepting that it's a battle of good and evil.
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See again, I feel like your path, once you accept that it's a battle for good and evil,
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your path is putting on armor and then go fighting in that battle.
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I think, I think an argument could be made that is the case, but also you could just
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be an idiot.
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There's that.
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And I think that's the option that Tucker has chosen.
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And really it was watching what's happening to the world that changed my view.
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I became convinced that some of these, I had watched political debates my entire life.
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That's what I do for 30, more than 30 years.
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And while I disagreed with one side, I could understand their argument.
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You know, they would say, well, we need to have, I mean, I've always been totally opposed
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to abortion or killing the defenseless, really killing anybody honestly, except in self-defense.
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But I could understand, you know, well, there's a 15 year old girl who, you know, was pregnant.
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She got raped.
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And if you don't let her have an abortion, she'll never have a real life.
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And you know, I disagreed with that because I think you can't kill people regardless of
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the justification.
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However, I thought that was a real argument.
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I mean, at least it appealed to the possibility her life would be improved.
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You wake up and all of a sudden people are saying, well, abortion is itself the point.
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Like having an abortion is just good for the sake of doing it.
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That's right.
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The women say, we love it.
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They say, we love it.
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It's a religion.
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They're getting off on it.
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Well, it's human sacrifice.
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And so obviously, cause, and so I was trying because I'm a little bit autistic and very
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literal.
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I'm thinking, well, okay, how, what does that even mean?
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Like what you were trying to find logic very different.
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I was, and I'm a student of argument because I make arguments for a living.
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I spent years, you know, sending my kids to school and filling the fridge with arguing.
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That's what I did for a living.
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So I really am interested in how people construct arguments and in their nature.
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And all of a sudden people stop making arguments on behalf of abortion and began holding it
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up as just like something that was just good for its own sake.
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So let me translate this clip into real world talk.
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Yeah.
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Tucker didn't put food on the table and pay for his kids' education with logic and arguments.
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He made a living having show business fights about the hot political topics of the day.
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He would wear a bow tie and yell at people about how the Iraq war was good and justified
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based on his superior grasp of logic.
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He was a showman.
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And at that time, the media typically didn't take people like Alex all that seriously.
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His type of narrative was generally seen as laughable by most folks.
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So most of Tucker's time was spent having sparring entertainment fights with people
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who had views that were far closer to the mainstream and what's really happening in
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the world.
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Yeah.
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Over time, the right wing has shifted to Overton window dramatically and their media ecosystem
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essentially now operates in a way where everything that works to their benefit deserves to be
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taken seriously regardless of how stupid it is.
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So in the past, someone might post a video of a woman at a pro-choice rally saying she
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loved getting abortions and Tucker would obviously see that she was fucking with an anti-abortion
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counter protester and wasn't expressing a sincere desire to get abortions for fun.
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Right.
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But now that equation has changed and it's no longer professionally embarrassing for
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Tucker to pretend to act like he thinks that that woman was being serious.
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This has had the effect of allowing Tucker and his ilk to pretend that they're responding
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to things that people aren't actually saying.
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In this example, there's a video of a woman trolling an agitator by saying she loves getting
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abortions and now Tucker can say that the pro-reproductive health side is actually about
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human sacrifice.
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This has the further benefit of justifying a far more extreme opposition on his side
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because there isn't a political solution or compromise to be made with human sacrifice.
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If that's what our enemies are doing, we can't just go about business as usual.
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In order to justify more extreme opposition and to paint anyone who disagrees with him
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as a satanic lunatic, Tucker is playing this little sleight of hand trick.
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He's pretending that, well, back in my day, I disagreed with them, but they had an argument
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kind of thing.
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So he can explain why the times are different.
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But in reality, what changed is that his side has entirely eroded their standard of what
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they believe so long as it conforms to the shit that they want to push.
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That's behind what Tucker is expressing here.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's an interesting way of saying, when I came up, I used to argue about how abortion
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was wrong, morally speaking, and now I go, ah, until the left wing shuts up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What happened was we used to have fun sort of spectacle arguments on Crossfire and what
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have you.
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Right.
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We used to do that and get ratings by being sensational and shitty to each other.
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It was fun.
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Yeah.
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It was a great time.
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And then I kind of realized that all of this shit is way easier if you just pretend that
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your enemy is saying, ah, because then that's all you have to say back.
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It was, I mean, if he came out, if Tucker came out and like his answer to this question
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was just like back in the day, it was so hard.
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We had to do research.
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We had to do this.
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We had to watch other people.
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We had to keep abreast.
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We had, we had a staff that looked for stories that we hadn't already might have to concede
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a point.
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Totally.
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Sometimes I was like, I, you know what, I guess you're right on this one, buddy.
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We'll get you next time.
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We'll see on the next show.
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I used to do that.
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Not anymore.
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No.
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Now it is easy as shit.
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Devil.
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The best thing that can happen to a man is getting success for doing the least amount
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of effort work possible.
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Yeah.
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And there we go.
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And it's such a great shortcut to just be like, oh, you disagree with me?
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You're the fucking devil and you want to have human sacrifices.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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What an asshole.
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Yeah.
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It does.
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It does feel like everything I learned in school was a waste of my time.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, the human societies, we have always practiced human sacrifice.
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Sure.
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Tucker talks about that here.
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Okay, fine.
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And then I found out because I was interested that that is what every society has said in
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recorded history.
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Every society from the ones that are very famous, the ancient Canaanites, the Mayans,
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the Aztecs, all the Mesoamerican civilizations, but also the Western European civilizations,
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my own, where my ancestors lived, you know, in the Nordic countries, they were also committing
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human sacrifice.
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There's something about killing other people ritually as an offering to the spirit world
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that is a constant through human history.
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Every civilization has done that.
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And so that raises the question, why?
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How would, like, that's such a counterintuitive conclusion to come to.
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I kill people like, so evolutionary biology tells us that the whole point of existence
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is to continue existence, is to pass on your genes to another generation and then many
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more.
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Right.
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That, that's the assumption that I had my whole life.
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And yet every civilization from the beginning of time has reached the opposite conclusion.
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We will be happier by killing the fruit of our womb, children, and we will be rewarded
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by the gods for doing this.
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Every single civilization has reached that conclusion without any exception that I'm
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aware of.
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And you have to ask, why is that?
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They didn't have the internet 5,000 years ago.
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How are they all reaching the same conclusion?
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And really the only logical answer is because some outside force was telling them that,
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right?
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That the spirit world is real and that there are demons telling people that you will be
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happier, that you will be safer, that you will be richer.
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You'll be more powerful if you take the life of a child or of a, of a maiden or of some
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helpless human being.
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Mostly young human beings.
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There's never the elderly who are the, and they like it because it's stealing the future
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and a child is the closest thing to God because of the potential of the universe.
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So it is a wound against God.
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It is stabbing God.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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This is one of the leading minds of the conservative movement in the United States.
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That is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard of my entire life.
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I feel like we are so deep into a satanic panic that we don't even know what way is
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up anymore.
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I don't even know.
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Yeah.
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I don't even know where to begin with that.
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Yeah.
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Well, I'll, I'll make a couple of quick points.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Take your time.
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The dynamics of human sacrifice varied dramatically from culture to culture, so pretending that
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it's one phenomenon that must've been motivated by demons is idiot shit.
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Yeah.
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This is like, I would say middle school level thinking.
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I would say that, uh, the phrase that I am aware of carried more weight than Atlas.
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Yeah.
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Human sacrifice was not universal or homogenous.
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This is ridiculous.
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Insane.
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Insane behavior.
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Second, now this point's a little bit more abstract.
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Sure.
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The religion that Alex and Tucker profess to follow is quite centrally based on human
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sacrifice.
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Yep.
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I understand it's more, there's more to the story than that.
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Sure.
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But come on, man.
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Don't you get that?
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Well, I mean, it's God sacrificed.
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See, it's completely different.
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God sacrificed one of his people, which is completely different from human sacrificing
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one of their people to make rain happen.
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God sacrificed one of his people to...
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But Jesus was also made human.
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It's human sacrifice.
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I mean, sure.
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In a, in a, in a sense.
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I don't know.
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I will say, how about this?
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Let me put it to you this way.
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All right.
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So playing baseball, you've got these gloves on, you've got these batting gloves, right?
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And you get this really good hit.
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This is the first time you've worn those batting gloves.
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So you hit that ball really well.
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You think, fuck it.
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I'm going to keep wearing these batting gloves, right?
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You keep wearing those batting gloves, you get hits for a while, right?
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And then suddenly they stop happening.
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So you're like, oh, it's gotta be these batting gloves.
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Maybe and you unhook them and you hook them back in, you tighten them up and then all
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of a sudden you get a hit again.
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Right?
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Right?
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So you're like, ah, you know what it is?
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It's this whole thing.
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See, the more you need something, the more you fail at it, the more likely you are to
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combine those two things together as a way to succeed.
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No, that's just logic.
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Fair enough.
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So here's another thing using this thinking where we might go astray.
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He's saying that every culture, they don't kill the elderly, right?
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So like, I don't know, I could use the data points that Tucker's using to be like, oh,
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you know what else?
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Every culture has failed and every culture didn't kill old people.
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So therefore we must kill old people.
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We must kill old people.
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That's the only logic.
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If anybody has a rational explanation that they could give me, I'd be more than willing
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to listen to it.
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I mean, I'm not aware of a better explanation.
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Right?
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This is ridiculous.
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So Alex has visions, obviously.
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He sees the future.
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Sure.
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And he talks about one instance of that here.
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Okay.
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And through my life, I have a sixth sense to spirit.
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It's not instinct.
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It's something else.
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And I've had this happen all the time.
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I usually ignore it.
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I've learned to not ignore it.
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And I mean, here's just an example.
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And this is literally from the ether from God, but I can play the clip about a month
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before he got fired.
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I said, Tucker will be fired within one month.
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And I believe Tucker, he's hardcore.
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He's awake.
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What just happened?
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The left admits it.
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I predict he won't be at Fox news in their future.
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If he's unable to put this out, I'm going to leave it at that.
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By the way, Fox news, he's Tucker Carlson.
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Tucker Carlson doesn't need Fox news.
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So Alex is psychic.
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Yeah.
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And he's telling Tucker about that.
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And Tucker is like, yes, yes, you are.
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Of course he is.
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And then he's like, okay, one of the instances of me being psychic now, granted, I usually
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just ignore my psychic stuff, but I, you know, I didn't this time.
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And I said that you would be fired in a month from Fox news.
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Then they edited in a clip of Alex saying that Tucker would quit.
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That was not a prediction of him getting fired.
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He said that Tucker wouldn't be there very long if they didn't let him put out this report
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that he wanted to put out.
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He was saying that Tucker, Tucker doesn't need Fox as much as Fox needs Tucker.
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He's going to quit.
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This is fraud on its face.
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Yeah.
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That's not very psychic.
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No, no.
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Not very honest either.
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No.
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It's kind of weird.
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Yeah.
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It's just weird.
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All of these guys, every time they get together and they weird off of each other, it is truly
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like, I mean, I don't like using their language because of the way they, but it does feel
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like alien.
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It feels like I do not understand how this human's mind works.
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And I feel like I understand how almost everybody's mind works.
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It's very good.
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I like people.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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I think it's easy to sort of descriptively understand how some of this works.
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Right.
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But then like, you know, Alex wants to be perceived in a certain way and there's ways
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that like, first of all, psychic.
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Sure.
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Second, he's killed people, but maybe he hasn't.
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Sure.
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And he's seen these ways and I don't understand why you would do that.
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Yeah.
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That's the part that I don't understand.
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Yeah.
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Why are you so desperate for everyone to think you're psychic to the point where you'll talk
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about a prediction that you made and then play a clip of you predicting something different?
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Why?
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Yeah.
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Why?
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Why are you so desperate to be interesting?
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It feels scary.
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It is.
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How desperate you are scares me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, Alex is a sucker, he thinks that Alex is psychic and that's why he's been singled
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out by the establishment.
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That attracts to me.
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Why have you been singled out for abuse and persecution?
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Why?
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And I'm just like, I'm in the business of trying to figure out, usually unsuccessfully,
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but why things happen.
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It's not enough to say that they do.
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For me anyway, my curiosity drives me to ask like, why has this happened?
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What does this mean?
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What is this?
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And the fact that you, specifically you, Alex Jones, for the last 20 years have been attacked
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in the way that you have been, even when you're on like cable access television, like a threat
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to nobody, why did they single you out?
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And of course it's not because you're lying.
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In fact, had you lied and decided to make a career of lying, you would be a lot richer
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than you are and no one would bother you.
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You'd be celebrated.
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You'd have a show on NBC.
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It's the fact that through you flows some things that are undeniably true when I can't
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vouch for all of it.
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I don't, I don't have your full like lifetime corpus in front of me, but I know that you
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predicted in detail 9-11 the summer before it happened, like that's just a fact.
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And I've thrown that out there many times, like, okay, you may hit Alex Jones, but what
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is that?
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Like, what is that?
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What honestly, like, I mean, like that's impossible.
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That's just, you know what I mean?
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So like, why don't you tell me, Alex Jones hater, what are we looking at here?
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How could he have known that?
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And the answer of course is that you couldn't have known that, that that's supernatural.
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Now I'm not saying everything you say is like prophecy from God, but I'm saying that's supernatural
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because I can't think of a natural explanation.
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Maybe there is one.
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If there is, tell me what it is, but that's why they hate you.
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Oh, here's the natural explanation.
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You saw an edited video of Alex and you thought that he in detail predicted 9-11.
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You haven't watched the actual episode of his show.
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You don't realize that at the time Bill Cooper was talking about this, it was after the original
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bombing of the World Trade Center.
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Bin Laden did that.
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I'm so mad every time I hear about 9-11 and people aren't like, it was the second time.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't understand how people can be like, how could this possibly, this is the second
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time.
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Well, the bombing of the World Trade Center the first time was something that became part
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of conspiracy culture and there were conspiracies about it.
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Yeah.
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And that's why Alex was able to, or able to is such a weird way to phrase it, but why
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that was something that was in his vernacular of talking shit about at that time.
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When he talks about using planes and stuff like that, that wasn't a prediction.
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He was talking about Operation Northwoods.
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We've been over this.
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It's just, you're an idiot, Tucker.
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That's all.
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You saw this video that's deceptively, manipulatively edited and you've decided that it's proof
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of God speaking through Alex.
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This is unbelievable.
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You know, I would say this might be the motivation that would make sense to me considering all
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of the variables and where we are, right?
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There is an ego that cannot get conned.
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You know?
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Well, Alex says you can't con an honest man.
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Right?
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That kind of thing.
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And so when you have been conned and you have that ego, you have to go into the con as like-
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Alex just said it, when you get the Nigerian prince, those emails that he definitely has
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now fallen for.
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Listen, I can't be conned.
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I can't-
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Many people he knows have fallen for them and they have to keep going deeper into it.
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Right.
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Sure.
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I can be conned.
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I know I can be conned.
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That humility needs to be with us all.
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Somebody can get you if you're not paying attention.
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Yeah.
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All right?
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Not Tucker.
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It can happen to anybody.
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Not Tucker.
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No, it can happen to you too, Tucker.
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I'm just fucking honest.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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Get ready for a few more of those lives.
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Oh, boy.
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But it was about that moment in 2015, 2016, and I just thought, well, I have an obligation
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to see what I think is true and to keep pulling the thread, and that happened to be exactly
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the moment that I got a new job at Fox and had a bigger platform, and I just thought,
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I don't know how long I'm going to have this, but I'm going to tell the truth.
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With the knowledge, I'm going to get it wrong often, which I, of course, do, but I'm not
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going to lie.
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Period.
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I'm not going to lie.
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Let's just see where this goes, and the more I did try and tell the truth just without
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any caveats at all, the bigger reaction I got, a negative reaction, people really, really
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hated that, and then I just dug in and I thought to myself, I don't care what you do to me.
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I don't care at all.
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No lies.
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Just truth.
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Damn the consequences.
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Who cares?
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That's what he's about since he started working at Fox News.
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Let me ask you a question.
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Do you ever have to consciously say, okay, no lies this time?
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I don't know.
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I get in his idea, in his mind, he's saying that everybody goes into TV like, I'm going
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to lie.
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That very well may be.
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Or it's like everybody has an awareness of what's expected to do.
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You go into the thing, but it does feel like you just said, you know, like, ah, you know
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what?
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This time, no lies from me.
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I was consciously lying back when I supported the Iraq war in my bow tie, I guess.
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Right, exactly.
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Is that what we're supposed to believe?
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Isn't that what he's saying?
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I'm not sure.
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Either way, you sound like an asshole.
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Wild.
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So if you want to hear more of Tucker sounding like an asshole, get ready.
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Getting a respite from that is important because it restores perspective.
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He's talking about not being around electricity.
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Right.
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I mean, if you have the chance to, you know, use a candle instead of an electric light
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or use an outhouse instead of a flush toilet once in a while, I think it's good for you.
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I do think that.
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And I'm definitely definitely a natural is Ted Kaczynski.
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But I like Ted Kaczynski.
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I'm just being I do.
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And I don't believe in mail bombs.
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I don't believe in hurting people.
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I think Ted Kaczynski was insane, obviously, for doing that.
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But Ted Kaczynski's analysis of technology, even if you don't buy it completely, I don't
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buy it completely, but it's worth hearing.
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It's worth thinking about.
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Maybe some counterbalance to the propaganda from Google and the power company that we'd
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all be nothing without, you know, electricity and microchips like that's that's not true.
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Actually, it's a lie.
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Is that a false choice that we're being given?
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Is it?
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Where is it?
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Us or the Unibon?
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I think this is stupid.
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I think this is just bad thinking.
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I reminds me of what was a Chicago comic.
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I think it was Drew Michael.
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He had a bit about Ted Kaczynski.
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Just about being the like, I don't want to be the guy who reads the manifesto, who's
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at a party.
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And then they're like, hey, you want to talk about I don't want to be that guy.
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Just don't read it.
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Just don't read it.
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Don't be that guy by not reading it.
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The thing that's worse than being that guy who's talking about Ted Kaczynski having a
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point at a party is being Tucker Carlson talking about how Ted Kaczynski had a point on Alex's
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show.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's the worst.
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Yeah.
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I just, I think that if this is your like only barometer for criticism of technology,
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if that's the only thing that exists as criticism of technology, then I just think you're not
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looking that hard.
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Probably.
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It is wild how often it feels like they're just given like regular ass like TikTok advice
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from an influencer and then adding lunacy onto it.
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Like you could see a TikTok where somebody is like, I did a hack where I used a candle
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and you're like, ah, welcome to the world.
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Congratulations.
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I was very recharged by going to a cabin.
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Great.
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Awesome.
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Stay in your lane.
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And then they're like, and that's why we got to kill everybody.
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And you're like, why?
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What?
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I was just imagining Ted Kaczynski on TikTok.
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I think it would be interesting.
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I think that we are not going to have the Ted Kaczynski's anymore because of TikTok.
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You're going to be too distracted.
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You're too distracted.
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You can't go outside.
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You're going to be into dance challenges.
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On dance challenges.
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You can't do it.
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It's one of the things that we should not lament, but you know, the past is the past.
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So we're out of balance as a society and then Tucker makes a good point that I actually
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think he doesn't believe.
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Okay.
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I'm an incredibly moderate person.
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I'm a moderate person by my temperament.
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I don't like radicals at all.
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It's clear that we're way out of balance is what you're saying.
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Way out of balance.
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Way out of balance.
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And I feel that way about so many things.
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I think people who, you know, you want to build a business, you have to take debt in
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order to expand the business.
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I get that.
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But the idea that we're sending credit cards to college students and hooking them on debt
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at 28% interest and nobody knows the names of the credit card executives who are getting
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rich from the suffering of hundreds of millions of Americans is shocking to me.
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Instead, we all hate Alex Jones because he's got naughty opinions, really?
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What about the head of Citibank who is hooking our entire country on credit cards and sending
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people into lifetime debt slavery?
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Oh, shut up.
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No you shut up.
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You shut up.
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Is this a false choice?
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I swear to God, I will call your French Revolution bluff.
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Yeah.
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Tucker, you want to do this?
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Let's fucking go, man.
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I don't give a shit.
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Yeah.
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Don't you hate Elizabeth Warren?
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Yeah.
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You're the coward here.
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Don't you ever say that I should be going out and killing executives, all right?
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I'm not sure he wants to kill executives necessarily.
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Sure.
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But like, yes, okay, I do think that credit card companies and so forth have pretty predatory
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business practices.
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Yeah.
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How do we deal with that?
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Your political set?
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I mean-
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I don't think so.
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They're the ones who are doing it.
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Yes, absolutely.
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That's the idea of that your system is that system.
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Capitalism is the idea.
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You hate the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
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You hate this shit.
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Yeah.
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It is your concept of laissez-faire capitalism is giving children credit cards.
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Yes.
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And then making them work.
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They have the right of association.
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Yes.
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They have the right to take their credit card, and if you don't allow these credit card companies
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to offer them that, then that's impeding, first of all, their right as a consumer and
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the right of the business.
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Totally.
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So go fuck off.
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I mean, yeah, get the fuck out of here.
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There's no solution within Alex and Tucker's world for predatory credit card companies.
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You can't complain about it.
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They cannot do that.
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You just can't do it.
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And the less they're willing to change a great number of things about what they advocate
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for.
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Agreed.
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So one thing, he's not extreme, despite thinking he's fighting demons.
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I think we just all have to accept that that's what Tucker thinks now.
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This is what I'm saying.
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He's able to say things with the conviction of taking so much for granted, and then you
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repeat back what's going on again, and you're like, there's a man saying, I'm moderate.
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I don't like the extremities.
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Now obviously, it is down to a fight between good and evil, one on one.
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That's the entire universe right now.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I think that Tucker benefits from some perception that he's a normal person.
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He's a psycho.
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He's an insane squirrel person.
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Because he had such a career in the mainstream of media, I think that he still enjoys a little
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bit of that buffer, and he does not deserve it.
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Nope.
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He is a mess.
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Full out crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Democrats are females.
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They're the feminine party.
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Fine.
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Yeah.
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Have fun.
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I don't believe, I know, because they've done this before, and they're telegraphing it,
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they're planning to try to trigger civil unrest if they build a civil war.
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They've got the movies out, they've got it all pre-programmed.
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That's another one of my big concerns.
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What's your view on that?
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Well, that's so obviously true.
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I mean, one of the many binaries, I think, in life is male-female, masculine-feminine,
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and there are two ways of fighting and communicating, and they're very different.
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In fact, they're polls, they're the opposite of one another.
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One is direct, that's of course the masculine form, and the other is indirect, and that's
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the female form.
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And the Democratic Party is, of course, a female party, and that's how they fight.
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They fight by, you know, they hit you in the face and scream, stop punching me!
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Stop punching me!
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That's exactly what they do.
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A man fights.
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A man fights.
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He says, what'd you do?
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I'm going to kick your ass, and then does it.
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Of course.
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And so January 6th was sort of in keeping with the way they approached the world.
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It was a passive-aggressive action.
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It was, set this up, make it seem like the other guys are attacking, and then crush them.
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And so of course, they don't change.
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That's who they are.
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They're feline, not canine.
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And they will do something very much like that, of course.
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All dogs are boys, all cats are girls.
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When you allow air out of your mouth, right?
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I mean, boy, I would rather it smelled bad than sound like that.
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Yeah.
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That's disgusting.
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It's just...
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Fucking hell.
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I feel like I'm a little bit of a broken record, but this is just stupid.
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Yeah, that's insane.
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This is not even worth arguing with, necessarily.
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Yeah.
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I have a rigid binary approach that I take towards everything, and I slot everything
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into male and female categories.
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And miraculously, I don't know, but the male is always better.
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So crazy.
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Yeah.
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Also, it reminds me of me a lot.
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That's neither here nor there.
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I don't need to talk about it.
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And I think the people who don't adhere to these structures that I've created are crazy
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and probably the devil.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And for someone to have a 100%, you are either on board with me and therefore good, or you
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are not on board with me and therefore evil, and then to then say, I'm a moderate person
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though.
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I try and understand people when they have arguments.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Well, he doesn't lie too.
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He's so honest.
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Man, this guy is absolutely...
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How does he exist in this...
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How does your brain do that?
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I don't know.
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How do we all watch it?
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I mean, maybe being away from electricity helps him, maybe.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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So look, Trump has been convicted of all these felonies.
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Sure.
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And he might be going to jail.
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Sounds deep state.
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But Tucker has another idea.
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Okay.
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Trump is being sentenced on July 11th, so a week before the Republican convention, and
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they may remand him.
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They may send him right to jail.
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How should he respond to that?
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I mean, there are two ways to respond.
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One is by doing what they say, doing a press conference from jail, they're persecuting
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me the other way, and I can't recommend the better way, but there is another way, which
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is to say no.
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This is completely legitimate.
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There we go.
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I'm going to jail.
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This is a fake crime.
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You never would have indicted me for it if I hadn't been challenging your power.
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If I wasn't running for president, I wouldn't be sentenced to jail right now.
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That's just a fact.
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Everyone knows that's true.
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This whole process is a sham.
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I don't believe in your system.
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My ancestors created this system, and you've taken it over somehow and perverted it into
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something unrecognizable, and I'm not playing along.
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I'm not playing along.
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I'm not actually going to jail, so why don't you make me?
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That is a way to approach it, and I would say that's the more direct way.
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Why play along with this stuff?
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What are you going to do about it?
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In order to take that posture, you have to be ready to get hurt.
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You do.
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I would argue that you have to be ready to get hurt whenever you tell the truth.
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You got to.
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I guess what this is implying is what should happen is Trump refuses to leave Mar-a-Lago
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or something like that, and then maybe all of the patriots come and do a standoff at
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Mar-a-Lago or something like that, because obviously if he's barricaded himself in, the
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people are going to come to his aid.
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I don't think so.
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I think some people would.
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They might.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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I'm hopeful that would be, but that's kind of what this is soft pitching, some sort of
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a standoff where they force the government to act in a violent manner in order to take
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him to jail.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think people are overestimating how much people care about Trump the individual.
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You know what I mean?
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Trump the individual is a 90-year-old man who can't even string together sentences anymore.
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Trump the idea though is everybody in power right now who's fucking up is going to get
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what's coming them.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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But I think that if that person who embodies that idea were to be like, everyone comes
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surround my house, some people would, not everybody, but some people would.
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Maybe.
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Maybe.
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I just, I don't know.
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I don't think they care about him.
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I think he's only useful.
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And as long as he like, and I don't think, I'm not talking about they as in like a secret
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cabal.
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I'm talking about Republicans as a whole.
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I'm not even so much disagreeing with you.
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I think that the interest is in the ways that he's useful.
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And I think that they want to have another fucking standoff.
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Well, that's fair.
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I think it would be a convenient excuse to do some kind of standoff.
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It would be a funny- Another Bundy ranch.
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Yeah, but it's at- Another January 6th.
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A Bundy ranch is a ranch.
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It's the wild.
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It's the untamed land.
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Can't have a standoff at Mar-a-Lago.
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What are you going to be on the tennis courts?
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Maybe.
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That'd be fun.
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Get a little exercise while you're waiting for the police to take you off.
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That'd be fun.
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I think it's a good place to have a standoff.
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I think that Alex is like, all right, I know what this implies.
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So let's be really clear that you're not advocating that Trump should refuse to go to prison if
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they send him to jail.
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I am.
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Let's go ahead and- I am.
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You're bluffing.
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I think that Alex wants to be able to say that something's a false flag if it does,
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so he wants to be careful here.
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Right, right, right.
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I don't think you're calling for either way, but-
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I'm not.
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But you're just basically putting on the table what the options are of what's happening.
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That's absolutely right.
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I mean, I have no idea what the right answer is.
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I'm, thank God, not facing a decision like that.
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Trump is.
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And I think he'll probably, if he's remanded to jail, he'll probably go to jail.
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I'm only saying at a certain point, it's important to acknowledge reality, and here's the reality.
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This is not justice.
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This is not a justice system.
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This is a husk of a system built by other people hundreds of years ago that has been
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taken over by new people who perverted its original intent.
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It's not real.
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It's fake.
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It's a coup.
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It's like Harvard University.
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Harvard University was the place where the smartest people in the country went.
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Now it's a place where you go based on your sex and your race, and the standards have
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been dropped dramatically, and the rest of us pretend that this zombie institution is
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the institution that we remember.
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And it's not.
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Are you fucking with me?
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And it's just important to say that.
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But in Zimbabwe, at the height of Mugabe's reign of terror against whites, he used the
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British effectively Anglo justice system in place in Zimbabwe to crush the people whose
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ancestors built it.
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It wasn't a real system.
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It bore no resemblance whatsoever to the system that had been in place before Mugabe got there,
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except the outward affectations are all the same.
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The judges still wore wigs.
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They still called the court to order with a gavel.
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But at its heart, it was a completely different thing.
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Where's the walking stick?
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Who's got the cane?
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You can argue about whether it's a better thing or a worse thing.
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I'm just noting the absence of the same thing.
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And I think it's important to say that.
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I think it's important to say that I believe in Rhodesia.
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I was about to say.
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Listen, if we're going to talk about the justice system, we need to make sure that we have
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a whites only justice system.
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I mean, honestly, I was very shocked when this is the direction that the thought went
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because it's more or less saying that the justice system is not white and male enough
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like it used to be.
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And this is probably because Harvard is an elite institution and it is not white and
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male enough anymore.
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That's all that's behind this.
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Yes, it is 100% all that's behind this.
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This is outrageously bigoted.
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I mean, that is like that euphemism fuck up that we did, I think, in the 90s.
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That's what it was when you because we've gotten people to not talk like shit bags all
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the time.
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Hold on to that thought, because I promise you we will revisit that as we deal with what
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honesty means in Tucker's world.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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That will thematically be very important as we go along.
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Gotcha.
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And it actually even is a good introduction into this next clip, which is about how important
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is to tell the truth.
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As to what we can do, I mean, look, I'll just tell you what I've resolved to do, which I'm
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not going to hurt anybody.
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I don't believe in hurting other people except in self-defense, and I really mean that.
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That's a religious precept for me, and I'm not going to change, period.
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So I'm not staging any kind of violent revolution against anybody, and I'm not going to.
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And I wouldn't recommend anyone else do it either, but I'm telling you what I've decided.
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But I'm going to tell the truth no matter what, period.
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And I'm going to say it as loudly as I possibly can, recognizing the whole time that the consequences
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could be very severe.
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I mean, I know for a fact they could be, I've already dealt with this a little bit, and
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I mean, actual consequences.
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But that's just what it is.
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Like, what did you expect life was going to be about?
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Just ordering shit from Amazon?
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Like, this is what it is, actually.
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This is what it's always been.
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This is what it's always been.
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It's about telling the truth.
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Damn these consequences.
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At what point in time would he call what he was doing not what he's saying he's going
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to be doing?
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Well, I know that he's made sort of a demarcation line when he started for Fox News.
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When he started Fox News, right.
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Yeah.
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So maybe that is kind of the beginning of his budding awareness that he's fighting the
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devil and that the justice system isn't white enough.
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You know, I mean, if you were going to go to a place that'll train you to think those
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things, that's probably- That shit might fly there.
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That would be the best place to go.
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But look, the truth.
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It can get you killed, but you must be brave.
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Who?
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Who's killing?
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I'm not sure.
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I was just at this point, like, just really basking in how much of a pompous dick Tucker
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is.
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Yeah, he's a real prick.
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You really do need to get out.
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I think it's easier for young people to get this because they didn't grow up in this country
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with the expectation that, you know, everything will always be great.
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I mean, that's the country that I grew up in.
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I think you did as well.
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Normalcy bias.
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You couldn't even imagine.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's a nice way to put it.
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So just like know that, and if you're going to participate in it, in speaking for myself
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a nonviolent way, know that telling the truth, and you're a living example of this, is enough
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to get you killed.
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Telling the truth is that offensive to the people in charge because they're not just
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liars.
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Their currency is lies.
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They're about lies.
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The whole thing is a lie.
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And truth is the most offensive thing to them.
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So yeah, could you get killed?
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Absolutely you could get killed.
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But maybe stop whining about it and do the right thing.
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I was about to say the alternative.
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I would much rather be killed telling the truth than I would die of ALS or something.
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Like we're all going to die in the end.
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I don't want to.
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I don't.
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I'm not on a suicide trip.
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I love my life.
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And I love my children and my wife and my friends and my dogs and the whole thing.
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But you are going to die, so you might as well be brave.
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Might as well be brave.
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I would die for the truth.
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I would die.
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I would never lie.
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I'm not a liar.
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How about this?
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Here's my pitch.
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All right.
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For a period of, let's say two years, all right, no white men are allowed to talk about
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how the country used to be.
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You know, like for two years, no white men are allowed to say anything.
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Not even like, oh, it was good or bad or anything.
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They cannot share their experience of what this country was for two years.
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And then see how many experiences of people growing up in the United States have been,
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well, it's always going to be great.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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That's an interesting thought experiment.
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Hmm.
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So look, no lies.
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Yeah.
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No lying.
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Hmm.
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Ever.
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Mm hmm.
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And then Alex lies to Tucker's face.
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Yeah, but I don't know.
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You are going to die, so you might as well be brave.
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That's how I feel about it.
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And when you have that attitude, you have a vibrant, powerful civilization, but when
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you're always cowering to whoever's bullying you, then the worst bullies ascend to power.
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It was a famous interview with a newspaper of Thomas Jefferson.
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It's where the quote comes from of all the evil men in tyrants need to flourish as good
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men do nothing.
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The newspaper interviewer said, well, what's the level the tyrants will go?
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And he said, whatever level you accept, because there's always one worse that will replace
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them.
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Tucker, we've been going for an hour.
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You've agreed to do about 25, 30 more minutes.
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So that underlying quote, as we've brought up before, is a misattribution that Alex is
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making.
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That's actually a Frederick Douglass quote.
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And Alex has recently decided to add on this, all it takes for good men to succeed is, or
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all evil to succeed is good men do nothing.
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He's decided to say that that's from this mysterious newspaper.
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What is he adding?
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You and Thomas and Frederick Douglass together?
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It's complete bullshit.
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And what he's doing is fine.
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It's what Alex does.
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But it's so embarrassing for Tucker.
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You should be like, hold on now, Alex.
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This is a little much.
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Of all the things he is, educated is one of them.
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So at the very least, you should be able to be like, hey, let's just not do that.
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No, we'll allow Alex to play this game.
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Whatever.
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I think that Tucker has the same vein as that credit card companies are taking advantage
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of young people.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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I think that's a good criticism.
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I don't think you have an answer for that, and I think that your policies make things
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worse.
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But that is good.
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Yes.
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And I think that he has another good point here, but it's also ridiculous coming from
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him.
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It does seem pretty clear to me that generational affluence has made America a lot weaker.
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I'm not for poverty.
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I'm not saying it's a good thing to not have enough to eat.
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I'm not.
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But meritocracy has been murdered.
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Well, meritocracy is long gone, but generational affluence is bad for families and it's bad
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for countries.
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And I think one of the things we're seeing now is that people just feel like just make
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the pain stop.
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I don't I'm super, super comfortable.
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I don't want to be uncomfortable.
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And I get that.
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I feel the same way, by the way.
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I'm not judging anyone.
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I just want to be comfortable.
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I get it.
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But that's not sort of an option right now, actually.
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Being comfortable is not, you know, on the menu.
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You're going to be uncomfortable.
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It's stagnant.
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And.
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Yeah, and it's better to it's better to choose dignity, I think it's better to be dignified
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about it.
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And what does that mean specifically?
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It means saying what you think is true, because you're not a slave.
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You're a human being.
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You're made by God, not the Biden administration.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Tell the truth, because you're not Biden's puppet.
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What a credible position, though, for Tucker to have this noted trust fund baby and millionaire
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at birth, generational affluence.
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That is what gave Tucker the ability to have a giant place in the woods and have a platform
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to say his idiotic bullshit on without generational affluence.
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He might as well be Chase fucking Geyser might as well be Chase from the space.
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The circumstances of Tucker's life hinge entirely on genuine generational affluence.
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And if he thinks that it's something that makes people weak, he's talking about himself.
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All of this is him talking about himself.
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Not other people.
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It's he wants the pain to stop or whatever.
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And that pain is other people struggling for rights or acceptance or anything like that.
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He wants that annoyance that he has as a really rich person to stop.
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So that's why he wants Trump to shut that off.
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If I was going to analyze everything that we've heard him say so far as purely just
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like he'd written it down and I have no context whatsoever.
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I would say to you that this is a man who is essentially saying, like, if I don't get
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my way, I feel like I want to kill myself all the time.
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I know.
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I feel if I don't get my way, I feel like I want to kill everyone else.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But I mean, you know, that's how he's.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For freedom.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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OK, buddy.
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Yep.
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I am going to take my ball and go home.
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And in this case, that means violence to you.
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The poor's.
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If I were to assess what Tucker's been saying and what most of this is about, I would say
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that it's mostly about how you got to tell the truth.
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And it is important not to lie.
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You know, when you repeat it's important to tell the truth, you are revealing how little
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you give a shit about the truth or how much.
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Most days, I would rather just sit in bed and eat French toast and read P.G.
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Woodhouse novels with my dogs.
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OK, that that's kind of my preferred.
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You know what I mean?
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Don't believe me.
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Lazy and self-indulgent.
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No, I am.
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But that's just not a choice.
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We don't have that choice.
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So be a man about it.
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Don't lie to yourself.
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Am I going to go along with the deception and become something less than human?
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Or am I going to say in a gentle, nonviolent but persistent way?
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No, I'm not doing that.
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I'm not taking your covid vax.
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I'm not going to pretend boys can become girls.
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I'm not going to, you know, mouthed the slogans about Vladimir Putin and Zelensky that you're
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telling me to mouth.
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I'm just not going to do that.
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And there's nothing you can do to me that will make me do that.
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That's beautiful talk.
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And including death.
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And I mean it.
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OK, so I get it.
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You are anti-vex, anti-trans and support Russia to the point of dying, I guess, in theory.
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And that's truth to you.
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Yeah.
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That's that's all you're saying, really?
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Right.
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I mean, that's a life.
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To live your life like that.
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I mean, I guess I guess this is the thing, though, right?
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Like you can believe absolute nonsense like that because you're super wealthy and you
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live like there's like if you have to care about another human being who has their own
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stuff going on, then they might be like, hey, don't talk like that to me.
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And you might be like, I've grown as a person.
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Now we can continue to be friends, you know, but he doesn't have that.
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He just has no human beings in his life who will ever be like, you're a fucking idiot.
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It's doubtful.
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It's doubtful.
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Stop this.
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Yeah.
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Or else if anyone does say that, they're probably possessed by a demon.
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Exactly.
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Who cares?
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Yeah.
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He can't.
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There's just no way.
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Now, I want to I want to address a very important thing here.
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Yeah.
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Alex would never understand the humor of Woodhouse.
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And I can't believe Tucker does either.
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Tucker.
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Like, I don't believe these people understand.
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Bernie Wooster is a parody of people like Tucker.
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Exactly.
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So I think I don't know.
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It's it's it's strange.
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I don't think these people can understand humor.
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And that's part of why we are where we are.
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And it might it might be.
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Yeah.
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So here's here's the deal.
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The demons, they want to kill humans.
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Sure.
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Because we're made in God's image, I guess.
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And you've got to be honest, you got to don't lie.
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They got it.
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Never lie.
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They got to write something down.
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They need a decision tree or something because their motivations are not great.
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No, no.
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And their lives.
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Mankind, people were created in God's image.
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We're not gods, but God created us in his image.
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So if your program is to oppose God, then by definition, you're going to want to kill
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all the people.
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So it makes sense theologically.
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It makes sense intuitively.
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And and I and I sincerely believe that that is exactly what's happening.
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So how do you respond to it?
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Well, with bravery, without fear.
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Like, again, I don't know what everyone's so afraid of.
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It's so weird.
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Everyone.
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So I mean, I'm not I'm trying not to be judgy.
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I mean, there are things worth being afraid of, I guess.
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But telling the truth and standing firm in what you know to be true.
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There's no reason to fear that.
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Like, what's the worst thing?
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Like, if we're living in a totalitarian moment where the aim is to kill people, OK, you already
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know how it's going to end if you don't do anything.
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So why not just smile and tell the truth?
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Tell the truth.
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Be a truthful person.
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Come on in.
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The water is fine.
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This is what I'm saying.
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This is what I'm saying.
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Two years.
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No white men are allowed to talk about the past.
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And then all of a sudden you hear stuff like, yeah, we used to worry about if our toilet
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would flush because we couldn't afford things unless we lied for money.
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That's how it works.
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You think I care if you have a good McDonald's meal?
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And yet I said, have a good day every fucking time.
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That's a lie.
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You can't lie, I was really struggling with this up till this point, because it's so incessant.
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The bullshit self glorifying.
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I just tell the truth.
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Yeah, I just tell the truth.
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And so this next clip, Mike down for this, because this I experienced like fucking whiplash
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and it's outrageous.
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But what I didn't mention and shame on me for not is the upside of the moment, which
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is the people.
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I mean, you wind up meeting these people and so many I had dinner last night or two nights
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ago when my barn was somebody well-known person who I never in a million years thought I would
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ever have a meal with.
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And it turns out we had everything in common.
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And this is one of the people you described, an awake person who is not where he expected
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to be, reach conclusions he never thought he would reach.
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He's got opinions that were repugnant to him 10 years ago, as do I. And how beautiful is
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that, because people like that are liberated from the burden of having to pretend they
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don't.
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It's a huge burden to lie.
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It's a massive.
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I mean, all of us lie, you know, and if you caught me doing something terrible today,
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I probably would lie, you know, but it would be a huge burden.
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And once you feel like, well, I don't have to do that anymore, like there's no reason
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to do that.
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Why would I do that?
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And I'm just not going to.
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Oh, you're just you're just freer like that is actual liberation.
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This is a person with a really fucked up relationship with honesty and sincerity.
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But this is where we loop back to what you were talking about earlier with the euphemism
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stuff, because I'm going to translate what Tucker just said.
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Go for it.
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Historically, the right wing conservative movement that Tucker has been a part of is
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based largely on weaponizing white aggrievement.
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It's always generally been about making white people think that things like civil rights
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were actually an attack on the white male grasp on power in this country.
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However, over time, it became unfashionable or even looked down upon to just be open about
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having these positions.
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And as society gradually became more open and accepting, it became politically and culturally
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detrimental to be openly racist or openly homophobic or hate migrants.
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In response, the right wing created a language of euphemism where they are still able to
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send largely the same message but hide behind respectable sounding words.
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It was pretty much perfectly laid out by Republican strategist and Roger Stone's old coworker
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Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview.
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Quote, you start out in 1954 by saying, N, N, N. That's not what he said.
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He's a-
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No, no, no.
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He went all the way for it.
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In 1968, you can't say N. That hurts you, backfires.
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So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting
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so abstract.
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Now you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are
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totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites.
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We want to cut this.
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It's so much more abstract than the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than
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N, N.
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This is an embodiment of the strategy that the GOP has used over the past decades to
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appeal to people on the basis of feelings of racial aggrievement while pretending that
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what they're doing is some high-minded political stuff.
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The problem is that this is kind of exhausting, and a lot of people can see through it.
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So when Tucker says that it's a freeing experience to not have to lie anymore, he means that
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it's a freeing experience to stop pretending that he doesn't want to go back to the world
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that Lee Atwater was describing in 1954.
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This is what he means when he says that it's important to tell the truth.
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For him, the truth is that the world should be run entirely by and for white heterosexual
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Christian men.
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Telling the truth isn't about actually telling the truth, damn the consequences, because
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in that very clip he clearly says that he's fine with lying if it helps him evade responsibility
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for the bad things that he does.
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Honesty doesn't mean honesty here.
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It means adherence to a particular worldview.
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It's exhausting to be a bigot and pretend that you're not for the sake of respectability.
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And you don't have to.
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That's what he's saying.
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Yeah, that is exactly what he's saying.
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That's the entire construct of honesty that he is defending and standing up for in this
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interview.
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It has nothing to do with accepting the consequences of telling the truth even when it's painful,
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and as a practice, being honest.
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It's just about, eh, we're not going to lie to you that we're bigots anymore.
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Yeah, I mean, that's a great summation.
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It was so much like people arguing about political correctness fucking missed.
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They whiffed.
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They whiffed so hard because you're like, I get what you're saying, and yes, it is nice,
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but unless you solve the underlying problem, you've just given people a new language to
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abuse you with.
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That's it.
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Yeah, and Tucker is saying that language is tiring.
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I don't even want to bother not using the F slur anymore.
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I sacrificed for you people and didn't slur all over the place, and now I realize that
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it's not even in my way anymore.
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I never cared to understand why it would have been wrong for me or hurtful for me to say
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these things or act in these ways or hold these beliefs.
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I never really even cared about that shit, but just for the sake of appearances and not
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having my bow tie show canceled, we didn't want to have the... We couldn't express those
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things, but now speak freely.
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Everything is fine.
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Be a bigot.
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Who gives a shit?
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That's the honesty.
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It's the Sunday, we have to watch a video sensitivity thing where it's like, unless
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you are dealing with it, getting people to stop for a while is not doing the job.
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It's not.
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It's just not.
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It's unfortunately clear.
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You got to go all the way.
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So look, I think Tucker loves Christians and he's super for them.
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Last thing I will say is I think it's really important to understand what they hate most
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of all.
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They hate a lot of different things.
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They hate working class whites.
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They hate tobacco.
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You know what I mean?
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They hate testosterone.
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They have a lot of hates.
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These are hateful people.
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They're haters.
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But the thing they hate most above all else is Christianity.
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Not all religions, Christianity.
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That's what they hate.
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But why is that exactly?
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Why is Christianity, which is the world's only nonviolent religion, really, it's certainly
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the world's biggest religion and it is officially nonviolent.
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Turn the other cheek.
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Someone takes your cloak, give them your shirt.
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That's the religion.
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It's the religion of peace.
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Alex should be arguing with him.
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He believes that Jesus said, go get a sword.
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I mean, he doesn't believe that religion or Christianity is a religion of peace.
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I understand that it feels good in the moment to say this.
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That's it.
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But you don't believe this.
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It's so fucking, I hate that.
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That makes me so angry.
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That's just like you, you're fucking masturbating right now.
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That is what he's doing.
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He is.
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Do not because he doesn't believe any of that.
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He's just basking and feeling good about what if he did believe that for, what if I was
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fucking the most beautiful thing on the planet?
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What he's doing is living in the experience where he's justifying his own supremacy.
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He believes that being white is better.
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Being male is better.
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Being cis is better.
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And why?
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Being Christian is better.
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Because of God.
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Well, but you have to sort of justify those things in ways that feel like a normal person
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might accept them.
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And so saying we're the only peaceful religion in the world seems like something that people
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might go for.
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We're not, listen, listen.
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We're not saying that we're superior as a race.
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We're just saying that I believe everything that the race of humans has created that's
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good was created by my race.
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And every other race has only created terrible things for us.
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So again, see, I'm not saying that whites are superior.
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I'm saying that the fruits of our labor...
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It's troubling.
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It's very troubling.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Tucker goes on about how you should want to have a country full of Christians.
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And if you don't, then you're probably working for the devil.
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Hey, guess what?
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We've tried it before, buddy.
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You know, in other words, if I'm...
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Not the first time.
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If I'm like a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Zoroastrian, it doesn't matter what my religion is.
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And I'm running a country.
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I want a country full of Christians because they're civic minded.
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I know for a fact they're not going to foment bloody revolution against me because their
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religion tells them not to.
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They're peaceful.
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They're hardworking.
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They stay married.
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They're out doing crazy things.
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Okay.
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I want Christians.
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That would be the logical, obviously the logical conclusion, right?
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Because they're just...
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They're orderly people because that's their religion.
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And why would you be against that?
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Why would you be against that?
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Not just against it.
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It's the thing that they hate most.
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It's the thing they're most threatened by.
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It's the thing that they seek to destroy.
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And you have to just ask like, why?
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That's not rational.
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There's no sort of policy goal that's served by opposing Christianity.
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It's spiritual.
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There's only a spiritual goal that is served by opposing Christianity.
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All right.
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In closing...
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And that's just a fact.
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This is so stupid.
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It's just...
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It's unbelievably bad thinking patterns.
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I don't even...
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I can't...
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If I engage with any part of that, then my brain will go on overdrive and I can't...
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Because what the man has just said is historically contextual, right?
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So he believes what time period he's living in, right?
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Is what he believes...
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Whatever time period he believes he's living in.
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Right.
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The 50s?
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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So he believes this whole viewpoint of it, but we have history.
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We do.
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He wrote some of it.
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Yeah.
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That's true.
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And it's not that he...
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It doesn't follow this.
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It does not.
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No.
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No.
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We also have history of Tucker as a public figure, and he sounds like an idiot when you
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remember his entire existence.
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I mean...
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I mean, look...
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It's crazy.
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It's crazy that a human being can say stuff like that the way he says it.
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Yes.
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It just...
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It blows my...
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Like, I can't get over it.
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And not have someone just laugh at him.
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It's something.
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Because...
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Something needs to happen.
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It's just ridiculous.
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It is...
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He's a clown.
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And I know I'm a clown, right?
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And I like being a clown, so I tell people I'm a clown.
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And I know he's a clown because I'm a clown.
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Clowns know clowns.
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That's part of what we do.
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Game recognize game.
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I mean, it's just like if you wear a bunch of makeup, sooner or later you look at other
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people and you see them wearing the makeup too.
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Even if it's spiritual.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Well, but there's a difference between being a clown just for fun and to give balloons
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out and to be a clown to defend racism and bigotry.
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And that's what he is.
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Yeah.
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But there's also...
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It's sort of a two-pronged thing.
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It's a clown that's existing to reinforce these old structures that are built on racism,
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sexism, homophobia, et cetera.
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Christian identity.
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White maleism.
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Right.
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All that.
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You're being a clown and you're acting like you are a Harvard professor.
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You're acting like you are this image of, I'm a moderate, just really smart, logical,
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totally normal person who has a big old nose that he's honking and saying, I fight demons.
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It's funny.
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That's why it's funny.
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It's because you're inhabiting what should be a place of prestige and you're a clown.
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That's what we do.
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We dress up.
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We put on the clothes of somebody with power and we go honk honk.
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And then everybody realizes that the people with power who aren't clowns are actually
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clowns.
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We're all clowns.
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We're all clowns.
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He's doing the opposite of that.
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He's like, you'll never be as good as us.
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It's horrifying.
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Yep.
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Whoa.
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So a fair amount of conversation is, time is spent talking about how great Elon Musk
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is.
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Yeah.
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It's so great that he bought Twitter.
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See, that's clown shit.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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And they're also just like, ah, it's so good that he wants everyone to have babies.
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And they talk.
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That's Nazi shit.
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They talk more about that.
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And you know, it comes down to a dichotomy.
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As always.
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You either are all about creating life or all about destroying life.
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And again, I would argue this is a false choice.
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Quit being creepy, guys.
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That's kind of the nub of everything, Elon's point about birth rates, because it is once
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again a binary.
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You're either the sort of person who dreams about killing, extinguishing life, or the
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kind of person who dreams about creating life.
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I mean, it's it's really it's a very simple choice.
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And if you're not reproducing, then you're dying.
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And the idea of embracing that is so unnatural, so grotesque.
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I mean, there's nothing greater.
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Everyone's supposedly obsessed with sexual.
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What is sex?
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It's the beginning of the creation of life.
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That's why we're driven to do it.
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Because there's nothing greater, something more fulfilling, there's nothing more inherently
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meaningful than creating life or being present when God created the act of sex, like it's
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the greatest thing that there is.
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And children, of course, are part of you.
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There's no greater achievement than having children.
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There's no more enduring joy than having.
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It's beyond magic.
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You and a woman you love have great pleasure and interface and then merge your genetics
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great.
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This wonderful new creature that is the it's frickin everything.
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I mean, God is there.
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You see the perfection.
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Yes, exactly.
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God is there.
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So, you know, you find people who don't have a chance to have children or don't realize
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its importance until it's too late.
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I mean, that's always the case.
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Or this society is, you know, having the left so mad they don't have kids.
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They want to take it away from us.
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Notice those that don't have kids form the core of the globalist death cult because they're
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pissed.
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They didn't have it.
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They want to take it away.
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But they're literally it's more than just like some people don't have kids.
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It's like they're promoting not having kids by promoting, you know, the LGBTQ three spirit
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agenda.
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Of course.
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That's what that is.
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It's not about tolerating people who are different, which almost every American is just instinctively
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happy to do very much, including what's no, it's promoting childlessness.
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It's the end of family, the end of children, the end of reproduction, the end of humanity.
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It's anti life.
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This just is rank bigotry.
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It's it is.
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And there is a question that I would like to be asked in rebuttal to this.
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Yeah.
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And that is, you know, there are people who are born unable to reproduce.
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Is that God playing a fucking ridiculously cruel joke where you're born and you don't
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have the ability to do the most important and only important thing that is part of life's
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experience.
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Yeah.
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Because they're teaching you about what's important, right?
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God created them to give you an example of how not to live your life.
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Oh, I guess that is probably what Tucker would be forced to say if he's backed into that
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corner.
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These people are fucking insane.
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I've heard those.
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I've heard those conversations so many times.
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Sure.
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Yeah, we both have.
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I mean, quote unquote, the only peaceful religious environment that you can be in.
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Yeah, man.
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So this brings us to the end of this interview.
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And I thought that this was shockingly bad.
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Yeah.
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On a ton of levels.
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Yeah.
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I think that Tucker is a lunatic.
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Yep.
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I think that he's an idiot.
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Yep.
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Or he's doing this stuff that is idiotic as a calculated way because he understands that
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this is the wave he needs to ride now.
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Sure.
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You know, like you have this stuff where it's like he's attacking the idea of generational
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affluence.
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And it's like, well, you understand that it's because populism is hot in your world right
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now.
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Right, right, right.
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This season, you have to do that.
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Right.
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Otherwise, you're perfectly thrilled to be the product of generational affluence.
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Yeah, totally.
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No problem with that.
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Totally.
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He's just putting on the mask of idiocy because there's idiotic shit that he needs to promote
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in order to stay relevant.
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Yeah.
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Or he's an idiot.
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It's one of the two, and I'm not entirely sure it matters which.
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Yeah.
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If I was going to give society, as a whole, non-political advice, okay?
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I would say structure it like the F1, all right?
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So every few years, F1 has a new set of rules in place for how you can build the car, right?
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So if a team has got this amazing car, they've figured out the rules and all that stuff,
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then the rules are going to change though.
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So some teams will be like, our car actually under these rules, isn't that great?
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So we're going to spend a whole year of the actual season riding around with kind of a
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shit car, but focusing on the rules for the next car.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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Here's the thing that I've seen in my life with these people.
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This part of how they think and say they think is going to end.
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We're going to get to another side of it.
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If we survive- If we get to another side of it, yeah.
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And this is going to look fucking embarrassing.
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But that's the thing, they cannot come back.
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This is the type of shit people come back from.
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I've seen people come back from this shit my entire life.
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People are just not, well, we don't talk about that thing anymore.
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We have to not allow that.
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You get one, now it's done.
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There's no more Tucker, when the language changes, Tucker's gone.
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Hey, dipshit, not you.
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No, I am a dipshit, I take it.
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Tucker's first one was the bow tie era, supporting the Iraq war.
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He doesn't even need this one.
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We let him come back.
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We let him come back.
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You can't let him come back.
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You should be characterized by these things- Forever.
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Well, no, I don't necessarily think that's true, because I think that growth is possible.
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Sure.
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I think that that is true.
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Sure.
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But I don't know what that would look like.
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It certainly doesn't look like this.
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But I don't want to totally close the door, but you can't pretend that this didn't happen.
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You can't pretend that you didn't go on a bunch of shows and say that you're in a fucking
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battle with demons whenever it becomes disadvantageous for you to have done that.
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You need to sort of own that history.
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Let me put it to you this way.
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I think as far as the story goes, we are a lot more dominated by stories than we would
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like to believe.
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Sure.
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Right?
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And I think we have as a society kind of deified the comeback story, that kind of thing, right?
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To the point now where we expect it and we fill in a lot of the blanks for people.
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It's emotionally gratifying.
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And I think we need to change the story to, obviously, it's not like, oh, get them out
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of here.
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They can never be in society or anything like that.
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But as a character in the world story, they are done.
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They go away.
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Go home.
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I think the take on it should be like, I wish you the best with this growth, but I don't
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trust you.
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You can't be here.
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Yeah.
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You got to go home.
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Yeah.
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You don't get to be in the story anymore.
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You get to go have fun.
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Live your life.
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I don't even care if you do.
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I don't care if you are happy or sad or anything.
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Just be a person.
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You can't be a character in the story anymore.
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You know what I'm saying?
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But I don't know how you organize things.
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We all got to just choose to not let him back.
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It's tough.
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Here's a good apolitical sort of just down the middle way that I can sort of impugn this
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interview.
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Sure.
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I would say that any time you have a person who spends a considerable amount of time blowing
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hard about how honest they are and how they don't lie and how this is what my life is
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all about now, telling the truth and not lying, no matter the cost, and then they're like,
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hey, if I do something bad, I'll lie.
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It's going to suck.
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It'll be a burden.
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Go ahead and just toss out that person as a credible person to care about much.
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In a wild way, he was so honest about how he's a liar.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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But it makes you realize that honesty isn't what he's talking about.
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Nope.
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Anyway, we'll be back for another episode.
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Indeed we will.
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But until then, oh, also, I mean, the bankruptcy hearing, he just-
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Oh, that's right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He's-
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We'll see what happens.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What else do you guys-
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Free speech systems-
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What do you think was going to happen?
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Free speech systems didn't get liquidated, although it could have.
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Yep.
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And that would have been interesting.
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But now he's going to end up having to deal with this in courts.
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Yep.
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And people will be collecting on him.
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It's unemotionally gratifying in the sense that the collapse of the business would be
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like, haha, it's over or whatever.
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Right, right, right.
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Yeah.
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This is actually a worse thing for him to have to deal with.
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We'd like an implosion, but a slow, gradual, everybody ripping a brick out of their own
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would be, yeah.
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And that may be where we end up going.
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Yep.
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Who knows?
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We will see.
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But we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DCX Clark.
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I'm the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo!
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Yeah, woo!
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Yeah, woo!
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And now, here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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