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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledgefight.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you, sir.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, is those Golden Graham treats you made the reference on last episode.
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They were very good.
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Very good.
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You know what, at first I thought they, obviously s'mores.
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Sure.
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You had the Graham, you had the chocolate, and the marshmallow.
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Simple.
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I thought you were a little light on the chocolate at first, but then as you went along, like,
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nah, it's a good amount.
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It's a good amount.
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You don't need to overdo it with the chocolate, which is something that I kind of wanted at
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first.
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Right.
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You know?
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So I actually learned a lesson from these treats.
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It was an educational Rice Krispie treat.
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Yeah.
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So thank you for that.
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You're very welcome.
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Yeah, I think the problem with those actually is this, right?
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When you put the right amount of chocolate on there, it makes you want to stop eating
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them.
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But when you put too little and too many marshmallows, you'll just go, well, I'll have another.
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See, this maybe is another lesson.
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They're even deeper wisdoms that are revealed through this.
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That's the trick.
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is my dogs peed on my bed.
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Okay.
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Congratulations.
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Yeah, it was great.
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They've been having territorial shit going on for a while now.
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It's very annoying.
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I think this happened after you got rid of the other dogs.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what's going on.
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I really don't.
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It's just out of the blue.
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They've been peeing everywhere.
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But anyways, we got a new mattress out of it.
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Oh, fun.
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Yeah.
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It's good.
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Yeah.
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Anything distinctive about it?
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Nope.
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No idea.
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Other than no pee on it?
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Nope.
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Nope.
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She went and got it.
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That was the whole picture.
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I didn't have any input on it.
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Is it one with springs?
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Is it memory foam?
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No.
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It's a memory foam.
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I do know that it's a memory foam.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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She knows I have a terrible back.
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It is always nice to get a new mattress, although usually very expensive.
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Yeah.
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And I guess maybe they're not if you go to one of the stores that's going out of business.
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Aren't they always?
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I feel like-
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Haven't they always been going out of business?
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That's the big joke, right?
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Isn't it?
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Yeah.
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I've heard a lot of comedians make this joke.
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Yeah.
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Didn't Bill Burr make that joke 20 years ago?
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Investment, though.
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That's a house investment.
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Got a deal.
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That's an adult thing.
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Always get a deal, man.
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You got a guy?
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33% off.
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Nice.
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Unreal.
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Unreal.
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Mattress out here for 400 bucks.
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We got a fire sale on this mattress.
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We got to move it.
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Got to get it out of here.
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I know we live in a world where, I don't know, inflation or something is crazy, but it's
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like 400 bucks is a lot.
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Ew.
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How much you pay for that headband that you started rocking again?
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She got me that for about 28 cents, my man.
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All right.
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That's another thing people should know.
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Yeah.
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It's a headband's back.
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Jordan was a headband guy for a while.
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It's a tie-dye headband, though.
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Disappeared.
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Now you're a hippie.
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Yeah.
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Actually, that's kind of appropriate for today's episode in a way that you'll discover when
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we get to it.
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I'm enjoying it.
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Today we have an interesting little diversion to go down, and I'll explain why in a moment.
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But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Norm Pattis was my neighbor growing up.
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He's terrible in real life, too.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, happy birthday to Felix from Sparks.
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A very dear, dear who's completely worm-free.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And I'm not a wonk.
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I've just never been tested.
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I like to think that if I won, I would pass.
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Look at the tested and think before the grace go.
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I might be a wonk.
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I'm afraid I won.
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I might find out.
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Never had to say.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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The impression that I get is that person's a policy wonk.
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Well done.
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Well done.
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Yeah, come on, man.
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Can't give me a boss-tone lyric without figuring it out pretty quick.
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Even if it is from the hit.
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I didn't get it.
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The Dickie Barrett regretted having to sing on the Live from the Middle East album.
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We'll be there soon.
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We've got a couple technocrats in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much, too.
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The doctor gave me ketamine one time, and I think I saw what Alex sees when he's sleeping.
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Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.
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And Sauron didn't lose possession of the ring for 1,800 years after he made it.
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Not shortly after, as Jordan argued on episode 309, when Alex was comparing himself to Sauron.
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It's important to me that Jordan knows this.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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So what do you think about that, man?
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Uh, you know, in, in, uh, let's call it postmodern criticism.
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You know, when you're doing standup, let's, let's talk about it this way.
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You know, the proverbial, this happened to me last week.
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Yeah.
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You know, that could have happened to you several years ago.
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1800?
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Definitely.
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So whenever you're doing a thing where you're like, the events of a story happen, and then
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you go 1800 years later, and then you continue the story, that's shortly after.
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Okay.
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You could have said five days later, you could have said 10 million years later, the amount
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of time does not exist.
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This calls into question your sci-fi fantasy credibility.
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What about it?
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Have you even read Dune?
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Uh, I don't know if I've finished it.
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It's awful.
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No one has ever really finished it emotionally.
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No one's finished with it, apparently.
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So look, Jordan, here's the situation.
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Yes.
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Um, I, it came to my attention that, uh, Joe Rogan had an episode with Tucker Carlson.
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He's what?
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Yeah, Tucker Carlson was on.
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What?
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And it is, uh, uh, a mess and, um, maybe I got sucked into that and I can't decide whether
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or not I want to cover it or not.
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Okay.
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We're not covering it today.
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No, we're not.
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Oh, thank God.
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We're not.
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I do not have time, uh, to prepare it and I don't, he, they do talk quite a bit about
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Alex.
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Sure.
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I imagine.
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So it does seem like maybe this is, this is something that is worth talking about, even
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though it is Tucker and Joe Rogan who are not Alex.
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Right.
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Um, but, uh, yeah, it's definitely something that's, that's in the relevant sphere.
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Um, but I did not know if I wanted to cover it or, and I didn't have time anyway.
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So today we have something that I stumbled across in my journeys, preparing the live
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episodes and I didn't want it to get lost to the sands of time cause we'd never get
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back to it.
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Right.
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Um, and that is a big guest that Alex had on an episode.
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Uh, and it's, it's just mass excitement.
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It's uh, this is something that must be experienced.
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The people must hear.
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Who could it be?
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I don't know.
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Well, I do know, but, uh, you don't know.
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I don't know.
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So when we start, this is, this is from February 4th, 2008 is this episode.
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All right.
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All right.
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Um, and when Alex begins the show, he's teasing that he's got this very big guest coming up.
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It's Obama, isn't it?
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I mean, who knows?
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Trump shows up, then Obama could show up.
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Who knows?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Anybody.
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Anybody.
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I mean, back at this point, I think the only politician who's Ron Paul was going to be
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around.
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Obama's probably not going to make it to influence.
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No, just a senator.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Welcome ladies and gentlemen.
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Welcome.
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It is the fourth day of February, 2008, we're going to be live for the next three hours.
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Uh, we are probably going to have a surprise guest.
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I mean, it's confirmed, but, uh, the individual is rolling down the road on the road and is
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going to be doing an interview via cell phone.
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So that can always be tricky, but, uh, we do have a big guest coming on the transmission
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today.
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So we're just going to leave it at that.
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I always like to have surprises for the audience, for the listeners.
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And so, uh, it looks like today will be quite a day of not today, tomorrow.
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I thought it was confirmed.
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And the individual will be on for a full hour, by the way, full hour with us to talk about
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quite a few very important issues and, uh, topics.
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So that is coming up later in this broadcast today.
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I'll just leave it at that.
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I know people like surprises and, uh, there will probably be quite a surprise today for
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you here on air.
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Quite a surprise.
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Quite a surprise.
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This is big.
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Who do you think this is?
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You have to guess.
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Okay.
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So we're in February, 2008.
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Yep.
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All right.
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What was I doing in February, 2008?
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Good question.
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I had graduated.
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I graduated high school in 2005.
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Okay.
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So I had dropped out of four colleges by 2008.
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You were about 21-ish then?
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Oh no, that's the problem.
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That's why I don't remember 2008.
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Booze?
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Uh, no, no, no, no.
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That was the three years that I lost.
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So between 20 and 23 are gone.
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So this might be you.
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So I genuinely, it could be me.
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I would absolutely have no idea.
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The guess could be future Alex Jones podcaster, Jordan Holmes.
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If you knew me between the ages of 20 and 23, I do not remember any of that.
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So good luck.
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Well, I will tell you, it is not you.
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Good.
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Excellent.
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We can check you off the list.
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Wonderful.
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Do you, you didn't get any kind of a sense of who it might be?
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Somebody with, with, with opinions.
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Yeah, definitely.
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They got opinions.
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I'm not, I, my first instinct is Jesse Ventura, of course.
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No.
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Uh, but my next instinct for some reason is to just, I mean, not some reason.
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It's because of the Minnesota thing, right?
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I'm thinking Michelle Bachman.
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Hmm.
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You know, that would have been right around the time, right?
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2008?
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Maybe.
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Minnesota?
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No.
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She's nuts?
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Well, I'll tell you it's not.
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Oh, okay.
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It's not Michelle Bachman.
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Okay.
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I don't think I would do an episode about Michelle Bachman coming on.
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I don't think so either.
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I'm not a great guesser.
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How many guesses?
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This is a star.
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This is a star.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Like a movie star.
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It's someone who's been famous for decades.
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Charlton Heston.
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No.
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Okay.
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Uh, the other.
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Charlton Heston, I think was, Alex did interview him.
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Yeah.
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Before 2008.
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Right.
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I think it was quite a bit before.
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Okay.
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Is it?
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John Leguizamo.
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It is not the best.
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God, I would love it if Johnny Leguizamo showed up.
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It is not him.
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Why are you thinking about John Leguizamo?
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Because.
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Did you watch Super Mario Brothers?
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No, but I wish I had.
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Hmm.
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Great movie.
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So this, in this next clip, we'll find out who the guest is.
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This is your last chance.
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Okay.
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I'm out.
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I'm out of guesses.
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Okay.
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Well, I've done a lot of interviews with a lot of amazing people.
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But I have to tell you, this is the most excited I've ever been.
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To have a guest, Johnny, who lives for the full hour, he's in Tucson, Arizona.
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He just played the Super Bowl pregame last night.
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No.
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He is a global icon, an American institution, there's probably nothing more Americana.
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In fact, they've had polls overseas of Europeans, Asians, others, and they say.
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It's not the boss.
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It's Americana.
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What symbolizes America and Texas?
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Who do you think it is?
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It is, wait, that symbolizes Texas?
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And Americana.
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They've done polls in Europe.
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Well, now I don't know.
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You just completely flummoxed by this.
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Yes.
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And it's Willie Nelson.
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Oh, okay.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, I was thinking like, but I, but here's why I didn't think it was Willie Nelson.
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Why?
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Because I didn't, but I mean, here's why.
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Because I just kind of didn't think that Willie Nelson and Alex would get along.
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Alex thinks he would get along with Willie Nelson.
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Alex believes that Willie Nelson would love Alex.
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But this might be what you think.
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Right.
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Okay.
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You might be wrong.
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I might be wrong.
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I might be wrong.
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Here's the reason why I wouldn't have necessarily immediately thought Willie Nelson.
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I would have thought that Alex would have interviewed Willie Nelson before 2008.
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Yeah.
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That's kind of, yeah.
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I figured that they would have crossed paths in some form and been buddies because Alex's
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brand during those Bush years was, you know, he appeared to be a guy who was opposed to
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the right wing and you know, someone who's Willie's politics, certainly you could, I
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could see them being buddies.
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And he would probably hide enough of his actual horror beliefs around Willie to kind of be
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liked.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Because he's a narcissist.
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Big star.
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Yep.
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And was in the Highwaymen.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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But, um.
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Did he ever interview Waylon Jennings?
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No.
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Damn.
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And that does come up.
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I believe that.
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Yeah.
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Alex asks what might be a tacky question.
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Is Waylon Jennings still alive?
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Nope.
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But, uh, he brings him in here and, uh, he, he talks about how stoic Willie is and I will
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say that that's probably cause he's high a lot of the time.
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But it's not just his music that I grew up listening to and that I love.
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It's not just the films he's been in.
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It's, it's, it's the work he's done for humanity and it's his incredible spirit.
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You know, I had a chance to briefly meet him a few months ago here in Austin where he lives.
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We're honored to have him hail from here.
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And I was just struck and I said that on air, uh, by the down to earth and, and, and, and
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really just the, um, Obi Wan Kenobi level Zen-ness.
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It's not an act.
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He's an incredible person.
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I'm not going to gush.
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He doesn't like it.
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Willie Nelson, thank you for spending time with myself in the audience.
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Well, thank you Alex, I'm not, I was enjoying that introduction.
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Thank you.
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Flatter away, baby.
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Go for it.
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Yeah.
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I'm Willie Nelson.
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What do I care?
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Yeah.
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I am like Obi Wan Kenobi.
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Eye is shit.
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That's about right.
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Yeah.
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This interview I think is really interesting because it does challenge some perceptions
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that you may have of Willie and then secondarily it has, um, such dynamics to it of Willie
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being so right and so wrong.
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And Alex being a fan, whatever believes he has some true joy, uh, which, which I can,
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uh, you know, it's always kind of like a breath of fresh air.
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I like that.
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So here's where the first, uh, challenge to your perception of Willie may come in.
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He's a big, what's my perception of Willie.
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Do you, he's a big fan of info Wars.
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Yes.
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He listens to info Wars all the time.
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He may say something close to that.
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Okay, cool.
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I'm glad to be on your show.
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I'm a big fan and have been for years and I've watched your videos and listened to you
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on radio and I'm always checking in to see what you're doing and, uh, you're doing a
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great job.
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That's amazing.
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It humbles me.
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I better do a really good job of Willie Nelson's tuning in along with the Japanese parliament
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every day.
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Uh, Willie, this is a quick segment to come back in a long 20 minutes segment, but you
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know, I asked you before the interview, I said, what do you want to talk about?
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And you said, whatever you want to get into.
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Let's talk about some fun stuff first.
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Tell me about what the band's doing.
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Your new, uh, new song grave digger.
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What's going on?
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Well, we have this new album that's called moment of forever and it's the song that Chris
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wrote and it's probably the greatest love song I've ever heard.
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I think Alex might've been a bit taken aback by that.
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Yeah.
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I'm a big fan.
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Sure.
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Listen for years.
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I mean, I imagine that, uh, he's probably, uh, tuned in.
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He's probably seen some of those videos.
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Yeah.
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He's probably enjoyed plenty of stuff.
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No, he does reference some of Alex's work.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, I, I, this is not just sort of a, like a totally straight compliment.
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No.
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And there's, there's plenty of, uh, there's plenty of times you're a, you're on the road
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as a musician.
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Yeah.
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And you find out that, uh, guys just listen to weird shit on the road together.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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That happens.
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I mean, you know, I imagine a lot of people probably were constant coast to coast AM listeners
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too.
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They're on the road.
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Yeah.
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Cause they're on the road all the goddamn time.
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Yeah.
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Um, so yeah.
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Uh, I think there's something very sensible about this too.
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The like, uh, you have just blown my mind that you're a fan of me.
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Yeah.
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Let's go light.
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Just tell me about your music.
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Let's start light.
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Yeah.
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Let's hear, and, and this solves a mystery that I've had for a long time.
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Who writes Willie Nelson songs?
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No.
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Oh.
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Alex loves this song, Grave Digger.
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It's a lesser Willie Nelson song, but he plays it as a bumper constantly over years of time.
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Right.
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And I know it really well from listening to Alex's show.
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Right.
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And I never knew exactly why, but I think it's because it was the hit at the time when
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Willie came on Alex's show.
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That, that is truly an amazing, cause that makes sense.
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Yeah.
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And it's sort of a very rational, sentimental kind of attachment that you would have to
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the song.
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And yeah.
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And I've never heard it in any other context ever.
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There's plenty of Willie Nelson songs that are in the like world, you know, where it's
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like, I'm not trying to listen to a Willie Nelson song, but I will encounter one from
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time to time.
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Beer for my horses.
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Never Grave Digger.
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Never.
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Not once have I not, you have to like go out of your way.
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I do think it only exists in my life because of Infowars.
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I agree.
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And it makes sense that it was the hit at this time.
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So they talk a little bit more about just some of the projects that Willie's got going
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on.
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Yeah.
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What's going on?
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And then we did another video that's coming out in a couple of months.
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We did it down at my ranch there in Texas out there.
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And it was a video with me and Jessica Simpson and Owen Wilson and Woody Harrelson and all
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the Wilson boys and Ray Price and Johnny Bush.
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And we just had a big crowd down there in town and we had a lawnmower race.
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I wish you'd have been there.
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You'd have had a lot of fun.
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I actually heard about it from Turk Pibkin and other people.
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Yeah.
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But anyway, that's what we're into.
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And we're out here doing a couple of songs off the album every night.
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You've got quite a few websites.
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What are some of the sites people can visit to see your latest info?
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Well there's a willienelson.com and my daughter does a column every day.
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Tell everybody what we're into out here.
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And there's the willienelsonpri.com, which is a website set up.
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I did it originally to try to organize all the peace organizations in the world.
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And we did a pretty good job of doing that, I think, because there's a whole lot of networking
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going on there about people talking about peace.
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And then I wrote this song with my daughter Amy called Peaceful Solution.
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And I put the song on the website and told people they could record it, rewrite it, or
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sing it, or put their band behind it.
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I just gave them the song, basically.
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And so far, over 100 people have recorded that song and videoed it.
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The University of Texas did two videos on it.
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Amazing.
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Go ahead, Willie.
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I'm just sayin', you know, I'm just foolin' around.
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Well it's fantastic.
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All of it, it seems like your music just gets better and better.
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You are a driven individual, and that's what I want to ask you when we get back.
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What drives Willie Nelson?
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What does Willie Nelson think is most important in this world?
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What drives you as a human?
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I think this is just like, I mean, at this point, it's kind of a, there's not much of
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a vibe between them, there's not much chemistry at all, but it's just a normal-ass interview.
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Talking about, like, eh, I made this website, I wanted to get all the peace organizations
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of the world together.
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Good for you!
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Yeah!
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Yeah!
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I made this song called Peaceful Solution and wanted everybody to record a version of
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it.
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Good for you!
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This is great.
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It's got a very promotional interview.
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It's like a professional interview, like, yeah.
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Except with the weirdness of, we had a lawnmower race, wish you could've been there.
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Oh, I heard about it from Turk Pipkin.
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I don't believe you can have that name.
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I believe it's against the law, because that is a cartoon character's name.
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I can't take anything serious from Turk Pipkin.
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Well, you told Alex about the, uh, the lawnmower race.
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That sounds like something Turk would say!
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Turk, classic Turk Pipkin.
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Turk just running up out of nowhere, did you hear there's a lawnmower race going on?
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God dammit, Turk!
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Alex, you missed the lawnmower race.
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There's something really fun about that moment, though, because there is, like, I feel like
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there's an Alex trying to be like, I'm closer to your world than you realize, Willy, kind
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of thing.
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Sure.
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You know, there's a, I knew about that, I knew about that lawnmower race before you
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said it.
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Turk Pipkin told me.
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Of course!
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Is that an imaginary friend?
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No, that's a real person.
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Prove to me that's a real person.
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No, he's like a comedian, and he's a real person.
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Okay, alright.
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I'll believe you.
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Sure.
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Pending time traveler from 2008 telling me otherwise.
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So now, Alex comes back, and he wants to know about what drives Willy.
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Where does this, where does it come from?
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And like, honestly, we have the makings of, like, a pretty good, interesting interview.
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Oh my god.
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Willy talks about, like, his early days and, like, getting started and, you know, that's
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good stuff.
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You're gonna pull the road on yourself.
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I mean, about your life, growing up, what made you the way you are, why you've always
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stood up for the little guy, the farmers and people in Africa, and just so many others,
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why did you go in that direction in your life?
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Well, you know, I don't really know, except the fact that I was, I grew up in a town in
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Abbot, Texas, it was a little small community farm town, and I knew everybody in town, everybody
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knew me.
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We had three or four churches there, four churches, so in one way or another, you went
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to church every day and every night of your life, and I learned, if I learned anything,
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I learned that all those places, you know, sometimes the Baptist wouldn't talk to the
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Methodist or the Church of Christ wouldn't talk to the Catholics, but they were all trying
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to do the same thing, and they were just divisions, even in that small town, but the one thing
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that I did learn out of it was the golden rule, you do unto others as you would have
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them do unto you, and that's, maybe that in amazing grace, I pulled out of Abbot, Texas,
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and I think those two things alone have been really good for me.
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When did you start your first band?
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I was about 10, let's see, before I got out of high school, I started a band with me and
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my sister and my brother-in-law and my football coach, and he played trombone, and we had
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a little family band, we played all over Texas, we played in Waco and West, and you know,
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places that we could drive to with a trailer.
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Didn't you start out in radio by 16 or 17, you already had your own show?
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Yeah, I was with KHBR in Hillsboro, and we had our own radio show there every Saturday,
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and then after that I went to the Air Force and then went down to Pleasant in Texas and
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went to work with KOB Pleasant down there, and then I worked at several other radio stations,
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and at the same time playing bars around, trying to make it.
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It's amazing, well you certainly did make it a long career, you've been out, what, on
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the road and playing since what, 54, 55, earlier?
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Yeah, at least that's the...
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Whew!
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I mean it's not Chris Farley, but it's not that far off.
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No!
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That's what I'm saying!
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You remember when you were a musician?
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You remember that time?
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But also it's interesting stuff.
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No, totally!
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You were talking about interesting stuff that I could listen to him talk about, because
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he actually says he started in like 49 or something.
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No, I'm so interested.
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Going back to that, radio is such a different thing than it was then.
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What was that like?
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You're talking about starting a band with your siblings and then your gym coach.
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Football coach?
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Yeah, I mean what's going on?
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Who plays trombone?
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What's going on?
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Right.
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Yeah, no, I was so interested in that, and if I was talking to Willie Nelson, I'd be
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like, stop, don't give a shit about the rest.
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Let's go into this.
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Tell me more about the family band when you were nine years old or whatever.
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Was the trombone the only brass?
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Could he play any...
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Were there other...
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Like what other instruments were there?
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Obviously, you know, guitar.
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Why did he take up the trombone and football?
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How does that happen?
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It's fascinating, but yeah, there is that Chris Farley-ish thing that's like, well,
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you certainly did make it.
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What?
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Thanks, buddy.
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Thanks for telling Willie Goddamn Nelson in 2008, Willie Nelson is still more famous
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now.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, if he started in, you know, like 49, this is 60 years into his career.
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Yeah, you made it, kid.
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So...
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He did all right for himself.
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We have this sort of light territory, and then we shift gears into a little bit more
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heavy subject matter, like the war.
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Right.
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The war.
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I mean, you've been speaking out against it from the very start, and if you did that at
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the beginning, the media, the corporate media tried to punish people, they punished the
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Dixie Chicks, but they kind of shied away from attacking you too much.
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They tried to make an example out of them.
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But I remember hearing you on the radio just saying, hey, you know, I don't care, you know,
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what they do or...
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I don't want to paraphrase.
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What did you do at the time?
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Well, first of all, it all happened when the Dixie Chicks was overseas when they said what
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they said.
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That seemed to have upset everybody.
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I was overseas too at a press conference, and I guess they had it in for the Dixie Chicks
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more than they did me, I don't know, because they had every reason in the world to get
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on me also.
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They're afraid of you.
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They knew it wouldn't fly.
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Well, I don't know.
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They said, you know, what about this crazy cowboy from Texas you got running your concert?
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First of all, he's not a cowboy, second of all, he ain't from Texas, so let's start there.
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And I make the point that they backed off from you because I don't think that they could
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chew up Willie Nelson.
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I think they tried to pick on the Dixie Chicks, but it seems that backfired on them.
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So there's a seeming unexamined element of institutional sexism that has to do with why
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the Dixie Chicks got screwed over and Willie Nelson maybe didn't.
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Alex's version of this is, they were afraid of you, which is, I guess, a way to articulate
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this without having to unpack some of the issues around it.
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Yeah, I mean, it is strange.
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It is strange because there's like a certain element of you have to not look at the very
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obvious sun star shining directly in front of you of like, oh, the world hates women.
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That's why.
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And then if you, but even if you take it down his track, it is still like, okay, fine.
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Because women in this time period are a far easier target because everyone's going to
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join you in fighting them.
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Whereas if you pick on Willie Nelson, some people who might otherwise be more than happy
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to hate on women will be like, not Willie Nelson, which once again brings you right
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back to the stars in the sky.
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And Willie at least, I mean, he seems very empathetic about, you know, about, but there's
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no examination of the, that sort of a dynamic, which is interesting.
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It's 2008.
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Yeah.
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But you know, hey, look, for whatever, you know, that put aside, Willie's real opposed
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to the war.
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And that's great.
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Good.
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Good.
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Yep.
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Good.
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Wait.
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Now 9-11 comes up.
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Oh, God damn it.
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Yeah.
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And, um, he has some thoughts.
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Okay.
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What's your take on 9-11?
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Do you question the official story?
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I certainly do.
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And, uh, I saw those towers fall and I've seen the, an implosion in Las Vegas.
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Uh, there was too much similarities between the two and I saw the building fall that didn't
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get hit by nothing.
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So, uh, you know, how naive are we are, you know, order.
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What do they think we will go for?
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So are you saying you started having questions or let that little voice in your head?
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I mean, did you have a bad feeling the day it happened?
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Is that what you're saying?
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The day it happened, I saw one fall and it was just so symmetrical.
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And I said, wait a minute.
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I just saw that last week at the, you know, at the casino over in Las Vegas.
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And you see these implosions all the time and the next one came on and said, hell, there's
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another one.
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And they're trying to tell me that an airplane did it.
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And that's, you know, I can't go along with that.
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Oh boy.
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So yeah.
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Alex is, Alex is like, I don't know.
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I don't know how you would be processing this.
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First of all, this guy says he's a huge fan, someone you've idolized since your childhood.
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And then he comes in and he is like, 9-11 is bullshit.
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You're being given like something that is overwhelmingly more than you could have possibly
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imagined.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I, at a certain point you just go like, Oh, should we hug?
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And honestly, Willie Nelson should not in 2008 believe that, that he should believe
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that 9-11 is an inside job at 2008.
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He's Willie Nelson.
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What's Willie Nelson going to believe?
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It's not, it's not the most surprising thing.
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I guess hearing it so easily and loosely bandied about is a little bit surprising considering
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the level of celebrity he is and the, the, like the way that a lot of people have much
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more sort of intentional media presentation.
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Totally.
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This is not something that a publicist would want you doing necessarily.
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No.
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And it did cause a bit of a stir.
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Like there, there were, you know, articles about Willie Nelson is a 9-11 truther because
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he was on Alex's show.
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So quaint.
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Yeah.
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2008 is so wildly like, Oh, you guys thought that was a big deal.
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Crazy.
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Well, it is a big deal for Alex, especially.
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And so they're, they're talking and you get, you get a real sense that like Willie is into
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a fair amount of things that Alex is about.
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Right.
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And a lot of it is stuff that can be approached from a left wing angle.
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Things like there being like a monopoly on power in corporations and things like that.
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Things that have a left critique to them are the overlaps that you, you, you see.
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Where Alex lives in this time period.
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And one, one thing that I thought was kind of surprising is that, uh, he's a, he's got
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some thoughts about the Bilderberg group.
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Okay.
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We send the Democrats to Congress to end the war.
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They increase it.
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Uh, and now they're saying they're going to be there a hundred years, Hillary and McCain.
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I mean that to me, that is a small group running things right there in front of us.
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Absolutely.
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And as far as I can see, all those people attended the same meetings that you and the
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guys attended up in Canada.
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Am I wrong?
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Oh no.
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They, a lot of them do go to the Bilderberg group.
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Yes, sir.
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Yeah.
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Is that freedom?
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I don't think so.
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It's not democracy either.
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Willie Nelson, you're blowing me away here.
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Uh, when we get back, I want to talk about solutions, your ideas, because the people
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are awake to a certain extent.
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I just don't think that they have the specifics of what to do and I'll tell them about some
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of your organizations and groups.
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And I agree with, uh, taking our everyday life in our own hands, like you've done with
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the biodiesel, that's a separate thing from what they're doing with the corn and other
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things.
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And I want to be sure and separate that out and explain that to people and what you've
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tried to do and all the money you put into trying to get us into renewable resources
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and things that are actually, uh, you know, will allow us to not continue to destroy the
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earth.
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We'll be right back.
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Oh, in fact, we're not going to go to break.
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I forgot.
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I told him to skip that break.
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I'm so, so used to going to break at the 20 amper and I told John to skip that.
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So we've got more time here.
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I'm a little bit, uh, uh, dumbstruck here talking to you, Willie, uh, solutions.
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I mean, you, this is real, man.
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This is a real thing that's happening to this guy.
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This, this guy, you've, you've idolized him your whole life.
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He's coming in, he's bringing up the Bilderberg group.
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Alex is like thrown and understandably so yeah, it's human, but you know, I, that is,
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that is so crazy, you know, like I, yeah, it does make sense.
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I think it's part of, part of what bothers me is Alex is so terrible.
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Like if you're meeting him in real life, you know, Alex and Willie Nelson, it makes sense
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for Alex to be like, Oh, right.
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If you're meeting him on the show, you know, shouldn't you have a little bit of that extra
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show power behind you and then you, then you have a scene partner, you know, like, Oh,
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you're into nine 11 truther me fucking too, bro.
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Let's ride.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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But he's like, Oh, I think you're just not prepared for sure.
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Like your hero or someone you really admire to be like, yeah, I like you a bunch.
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And not only that, here's a reference to the big villains that you like.
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It would throw you for a bit of a loop where you forget that you already had agreed to
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skip a break.
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Yeah.
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But you know, that's, I think that's the thing that gets me.
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That's the thing that gets me in terms of why he and I can never ever see eye to eye
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on that is he's taken aback.
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He's pushed.
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He's like on the back foot.
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Oh my God, my hero is doing all this stuff.
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And what does he decide to do?
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He decides to talk more.
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Yeah.
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Well, because, but that talking more was him acting like he had to go out to break.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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So that makes some sense.
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You're filibustering a little bit cause you got to get to the break.
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And by the time the break you'd already meant to skip it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That makes some sense.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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He's just choking.
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He's choking.
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But there's another part of that too that is like, holy shit, I just got Willie Nelson
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on my show saying 9-11 was a, you know, probably some sort of inside job.
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What else do we need from this interview?
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This interview's goal has been achieved.
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Right.
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Right.
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But now you've, now you're fucking, you're taking across the end zone, run into the hallway,
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run out of the stadium and head right towards grounds here.
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Well, I mean, I guess a little bit, uh, does end up, you know, if you run a little bit
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further.
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Fair.
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I do believe that, uh, it's a long time till election day and some sort of national crisis
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could put off the elections and we could have George in there 10 years longer.
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A lot of people are saying that, I was saying that many years ago and now Bob Woodward's
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talked about how they're setting up for martial law of all people, uh, Naomi Wolf is talking
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about it.
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I think that might save us, I'm seeing a lot at the end of the tunnel, but I think you're
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right.
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I think that's a great danger.
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If that did happen, a nuke went off, a biological weapon was released or terrorists supposedly
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blew up a bunch of other buildings, uh, what do you think the response of the population
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should be if they announced one of this new emergency or it could be an economic emergency
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and Bush is going to have to stay on to save us?
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Well, I would hope that, uh, that we'd be smarter than that.
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And I would hope that we say, no, you know, we're throwing all you guys out and we're
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starting over.
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Uh, you know, you can stop the elections if you want to, but you can't stop the people.
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Well, Ron Paul has gotten more donations from troops and people in Iraq than all Republicans
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combined, uh, the troops in polls, 75% are against the war.
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So if Bush is planning on using these troops here, it looks like he's going to have a problem.
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Well, again, and the troops are under orders and if they don't do what they, you know,
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the orders are, then they get shot.
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So, uh, the troops have no choice.
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The troops are robots.
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Is that how the troops work?
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Yes.
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Do we have, I don't approve of that process.
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Well, that's, that, uh, thankfully, uh, they all support Ron Paul, so everything will be
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fine.
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Yeah.
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I guess there is a preoccupation with, uh, Bush staying in power, but I don't even think
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that that was like, I think that was a bit of a fringy kind of idea, but I don't think
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it was like mega for in the same way that, you know, Alex saying that Obama is going
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to stay in office, uh, in, uh, in 2015.
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That's wild fringe stuff.
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Right.
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And, uh, the fear about, uh, about Bush, you know, given the, uh, 2000 election and given
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the, uh, the Iraq war, um, I think people had a little bit more of that, but it's still
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weird to hear Willie, uh, on that tip.
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Yeah.
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I think, I think here's, and my, my perception of the time being of course is, is messed
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up by being alive during it.
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But I believe if I recall correctly, it's less, it was less like, um, you know, Oh,
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Bush is going to stay in office and more like, what the fuck is Cheney going to do?
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You know?
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Like it was, it was less about, it was less about Bush himself as like the, he was just
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like part of the conspiracy, you know, he was the guy who was there.
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And then when he's gone, it was going to be a different guy, you know, and it, but Cheney
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would be like in the wheelchair, more of the guy with the machinations and the plans and
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the such, or at least that was, that was my perception because of the jokes, but that,
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you know, the perception was more the, the team around Bush as opposed to Bush himself.
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Yeah.
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He was the guy who says entrepreneur isn't a French word, you know, he was that guy.
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Yeah.
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Strategy.
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Right.
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That was a big one.
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Yep.
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That was him.
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Um, but yeah, it's, this is, this is kind of like when you're like nine 11 is an inside
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job.
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All right.
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Gotcha.
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Gotcha.
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Sure.
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You have like a, they're going to do something to, uh, they get rid of the election in 2008.
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Sure.
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All right, buddy.
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All right.
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We're going a little bit off track here and then things go really, really far off track
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eventually.
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But a fair amount of this interview is, uh, talking about biodiesel and, uh, uh, Willie's
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support of that, which is great.
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Great.
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Just fine.
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Yeah.
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It's just advocacy for biodiesel.
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Sure.
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Um, and, and hemp too.
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There's a bit of that, but, um, uh, Alex is noticing that, uh, some of the sites aren't
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working because there's so much traffic.
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Everyone has heard that Willie Nelson is on info wars and he's getting, uh, he's getting
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traffic.
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Uh, uh, we have, um, eight servers and this is not happening about a year.
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Some of the sites you can't even hardly get to right now, I guess the word is spread on
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the internet that Willie Nelson is, uh, and we can take millions of visitors.
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So people are going crazy right now on the websites.
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Willie, you have a made quite a splash here.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's good.
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Yeah.
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You're bringing, burning the place down.
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It's awesome.
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Uh, getting into the, getting into the war, uh, and then the solution, you know, trying
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to fix this politically, uh, magically Ron Paul's been getting half of the votes.
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The poll show he should get Obama was getting 15 more points or more than Hillary in New
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Hampshire.
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She magically won by almost four points.
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That's like an 18 point swing.
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That's never happened before.
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Ron Paul got screwed in New Hampshire, Ron Paul got screwed in New Hampshire.
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Never forget.
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It's true.
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Um, it's just true.
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Willie is a fairly, uh, warm on Ron Paul.
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Sure.
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Which also makes some sense.
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Yeah.
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Texas boys stick together.
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I mean, I'm sure he was warm on, uh, uh, Ross Perot too.
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You know?
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I have no doubt Willie Nelson.
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Another Texas guy.
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Yeah.
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Anytime somebody is like, I'm going to fucking run, Willie Nelson's like, yeah, come on now.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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Go for it.
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Yeah.
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You're a disruptor to the, the, uh, the, uh, the political.
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I want you to take down the establishment, man.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, I do, I do appreciate that.
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Uh, we, you know, we'd had that episode about the New Hampshire thing, so we have some context
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for this.
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Uh, cause otherwise, who cares if Ron Paul got screwed.
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But this, I mean, this is exciting for one, uh, uh, two reasons actually.
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One Alex is getting all this traffic, everyone's coming in and it's not a conspiracy.
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People aren't trying to silence them.
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Nope.
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It is just, there is massive interest in this as opposed to the man doesn't want you to
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know that Willie is talking to Alex about how nine 11 was fake.
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Nope.
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This is all genuine.
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Yeah.
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This is just everybody being a real person.
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Isn't it exciting that people are excited that you're on my show?
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Yeah.
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It's fun.
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Yeah.
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It is, it is almost disorienting because this is built around a positive thing.
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You know, like Alex's fandom.
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Yeah.
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Or just everybody liking Willie Nelson and Willie Nelson not being a piece of shit.
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You know, like he believes some weird stuff, but even if he wouldn't be like, Oh, nine
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11 is an inside job, so we should do something about it and be like, ah, the government's
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out of control.
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Let me play a song.
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He doesn't seem like he has the same conclusions as Alex, despite some agreement about some
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weird ideas.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And uh, like I said, a lot of it is a advocacy about biodiesel and uh, things slow down a
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tiny bit when we're getting into the biodiesel and when we're getting into hemp.
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Um, yeah, maybe, and it's, it is a little bit more left to where Alex, uh, generally
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is.
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Um, and so they're talking about, uh, a hemp a bit and uh, we go, we throw to the song
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about peace.
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And if you got food, fuel, material, uh, everything you need in one, in one seed, and that's just
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too much for them to compete with.
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We're talking to Willie Nelson.
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He's not just a country music legend or been in scores of films.
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Uh, he's a humanitarian and has just done so much good work for humanity.
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Uh, do you want to play part of that song since you mentioned it, we happen to have
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it peace on earth.
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Would you like us to play a few minutes of that Willie?
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Sure.
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Go ahead.
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John, you've got that right?
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We sent him so many songs.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's there.
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I forgot to tell him that we might play that if you mentioned it.
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Uh, here it is, we'll be back to Willie here in about two minutes.
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There's a filling time feeling.
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Why?
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I don't know.
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Well, I think because you got what you need.
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Oh, but now have fun.
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What, what's fun?
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What's more fun?
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He just doesn't like, it's not, he doesn't play.
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This is play time, right?
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Shouldn't you be playing with Willie Nelson?
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Maybe in a sandbox or something?
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Like look at Willie Nelson, he's a, he's on my team now.
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Let's let's go make a sandcastle.
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He seems so chill in general and not really all that, like, I can't imagine based on how
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he reacted.
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It would seem strange to me if beforehand they had to make a deal where they would play
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this song.
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So I don't think that there's like an obligation to play this.
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Nope.
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Um, he's just like, go ahead.
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I don't think Willie's particularly proud of this song.
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No, he's thrilled about it.
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No, I'm sure he's thrilled about it, but it's not like this is his song.
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This is his artistic achievement.
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It's no gravedigger.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, I mean, it's a good song that he wrote.
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My man wrote a song and it's about, it's for good.
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Yeah.
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I did feel like that was, that was kind of a strangeness to this.
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It's like, this is a very unnecessary song throw.
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Um, and there were, there were a couple of moments that just feel like we're, we're killing
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a little bit of time here, which seems strange since Willie Nelson's one of the biggest stars
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that has ever been on this fucking show.
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I don't understand how this interview could go bad.
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Well, it hasn't gone bad at all.
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No, it hasn't gone bad.
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And Alex has certainly gotten one of the most important things, which is Willie's talking
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about 9-11 being an inside job and stuff.
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And so he wants to touch back on that.
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Yeah.
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And this is a bit of a deflating moment.
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Willie, I want to talk about courage and I know you get sick of people thanking you and
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lauding you.
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You're a very humble man.
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That's where your strength flows from.
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But the courage, uh, or is it just instinctive?
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It's in your spirits.
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You're just doing it.
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You have the courage to come on this show and I don't think you've ever talked about
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9-11.
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I don't think you've ever talked about martial law, or maybe I missed it anywhere else.
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And to say these things, can you tell us in your heart why you're doing this and A and
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then B, is this the first time you've said some of these things?
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No, it's not the first time I've said it and, uh, uh, it won't be the last time I was just,
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I'm just saying what I believe, I'm not that brave, I don't think, I know I'm, I'm, maybe
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I'm too dumb to be scared, but, uh, I just believe in, uh, saying what you really think.
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And that's always been what I did and I, well, sometimes that doesn't go well with other
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people, but they'll have to get over it.
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Well you are certainly a straight shooter.
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There is absolutely no doubt about that.
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Uh, there's no electricity here.
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I say this shit all the time.
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I'll say it to anybody.
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I'll say it to my mom, I'll say it to that lady, I'll say it to the judge, I don't give
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a shit.
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Yeah, Alex is like, you're so brave, I'm getting the exclusive here, I'm getting the
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scoop.
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And then Willy's answer is, no you're not.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I, that's such another great, like, unexamined thing of just like, you know, I can say whatever
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I want whenever I want and people don't get too mad.
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Seems odd that if I was a woman or non-white person that could not be the same thing.
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I might get a lot more blowback from that.
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Could be strange how I can say whatever I want in this country.
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So we get to, towards the end of the interview, because, you know, the meat of this is really,
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you know, we got Bush might stay in power, 9-11, inside job, and then of course hemp
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and biodiesel.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Ron Paul, the war.
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But you know, there's something that's very important that needs to be discussed.
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Oh my god, what is it?
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In about six minutes the show's going to end, John, and I want you to go out in the last
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30-45 seconds with Willy from that High Women song, Silver Stallion.
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Yes.
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You know, talking to a music legend like yourself, obviously Johnny Cash affected me a lot.
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So did Waylon Jennings.
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What is it like having those two friends gone, Willy?
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Oh, I miss them a lot.
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You know, Waylon and I, we fought like cats and dogs, we fought like married people, you
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know, but I loved him like a brother, and I know he did me too, and John and I got really
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close during the High Women Tours, and we did three of those, and you know, you don't
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travel around the world and live that close without getting to know people, and John and
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Waylon and Chris and I, you know, we had a whole lot of fun together.
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When did you first meet Johnny Cash?
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He had already left Nashville when I went to Nashville, and then I got a letter from
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him.
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He got my address from Chris or somebody and said he wanted me to write him a song.
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Chris Kristofferson.
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So I get it, like, the Highwaymen are great, you gotta bring them up, but it's a very strange
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articulation of a question to be like, I love Johnny Cash, I loved Waylon Jennings, what's
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it like to be friends with them and then be dead?
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Yep.
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What?
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Yeah!
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What's it like to have your friends be dead?
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I'm going to say this, and I know we've had a lot of evidence, but I think it's time to
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really put the nail in the coffin.
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I do not think Alex is a good interviewer.
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I think it's a very different type of interview than you normally see from him, and it's very
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strange because...
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Your famous friends are dead, what's that like?
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There's an element of it that can be like, I think maybe what's behind the question is
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something like, it really affected me losing them, their passing, how about you?
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Let's share things together.
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There's a piece of it that feels almost like an empathizing or something, but it's a very,
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very strange thing to ask somebody, and Willie rolls with it fine.
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It does feel like such that kind of pathology of a robotic, narcissistic person trying to
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perform the act of empathy, and it coming out, your friends are dead, are you okay?
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What are you doing?
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Do you miss your dead friends?
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Do you miss your dead friends?
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Yeah.
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Now there's something that I can't quite put my finger on, and that is that he brings up
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Johnny Cash and Waylon Jennings, but he does not bring up Chris Christopherson.
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Now Chris Christopherson's not dead, but he's also a bit more left leaning than-
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Oh, Chris Christopherson and Alex would not get along.
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No, so I can't tell if that's why he doesn't bring him up or if it's because he's still
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alive.
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It could be, it could be, but also part of those could be the same thing because Chris
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Christopherson also famously hit a lot of people real hard, so maybe you don't talk
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about Chris while he's still alive.
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Johnny, Willy's talking about him sentimentally.
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Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash can't kill me.
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Chris Christopherson's still alive.
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So I think if there's one thing I can take away from my time observing Alex, it's that
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he really, really likes the Highwaymen.
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Yeah, he really does.
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It's a sincere enjoyment and fandom that he has.
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Well, I love all your music, but the Highwaymen, it's just, it's just, all of it's poetry.
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I think there's some great songs, and Chip's moment is a really great producer, got a lot
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of those songs together, and we did too, and we just sat around and figured out what we
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wanted to sing, and you know, I thought that there was some good songs in there.
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What's your favorite Highwaymen song?
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Oh, I like, I like the song, I Was a Highwayman, you know, the Jimmy Webb song, I like that
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one a lot.
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In fact, change that, let's go out with I Was a Highwayman.
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Yeah.
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That's, I love that one.
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Well, but we're not going out yet, Willy, and I know you're really busy, you've given
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us an hour on the show ends, I'd like to talk to you just for a moment or two.
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It's a good song.
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It's called just Highwaymen.
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I'm more of a, I'm more of a greatest hits guy, I'm not really, I'm not really into the
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catalog, sorry Alex, I'm not really a fan of my own stuff.
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Well, no, but hey, look, that said, that is a fucking great song.
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It's a great song!
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So, like, if that is your answer, that is a fine answer, even though it is, you know,
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maybe the greatest hits.
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Yeah.
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But, I mean, look, I should confess, I don't know tracks much deeper than the greatest
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hits.
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No, why would I?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I'm not saying that they're not great, but it's like, there's a lot of music to listen
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to, and I can't always go back and listen to all of the Highwaymen to just be, like,
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up to date.
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I think Alex might have wanted him to say Silver Stallion.
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You think?
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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Also, a fair amount of their songs were covers.
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Yeah.
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Well, they're, you know, they were super great.
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But they're great, they're some great.
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Yeah.
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They were there kind of doing their, let's get a lot of money thing.
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Yeah.
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Nothing wrong with it?
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No, no, nothing wrong with that.
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They were great at it.
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So, they talk a little bit about, you know, if shit goes down, if things go bad, then
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maybe we'll all have to return to subsistence farming.
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Sure.
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And because of this, Willie is very excited about urban gardening.
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Great.
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And, hey, tip my hat to that.
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Yeah.
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And then things fall off the fucking rails.
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Okay.
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And it's something we can do.
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In fact, all over Houston, New York, and cities now, people are using vacant lots and rooftops
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to grow, starting to grow their own vegetables.
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And I think the way things are going, we all should be thinking about how can we sustain
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ourselves if gasoline is too expensive, or if there is no more, or if the roads get cut
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off.
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There's the weather problems that we've had, and from all indications, those things are
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going to get worse.
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Are you familiar with the Mayan calendar, by the way?
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I am.
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And it's clear we're going to have to do a part two if you'll do it in the next six months
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or so.
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Yeah.
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We'll have to do that.
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We could talk about all those things, but it's obvious that the weather patterns are
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getting more severe.
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Well, look at the tsunamis.
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I mean, in the last seven years, they've had more global disasters with more numbers killed
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than the last 30 years before it.
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Two very important points.
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One, Alex should not be into climate change type stuff.
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Nope.
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This is very strange to hear from him.
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Second, Will Nelson might be a 2012 Mayan apocalypse guy.
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I love that.
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I think that's great.
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I think he's right on target.
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Well, I mean, look.
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I don't understand.
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Try and explain to me how it can be 2008 and you think the world's going to end in 2012.
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You smoke a lot of weed?
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But I mean, like, and you still, you're just touring?
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Well, what are you supposed to do?
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That blows my mind.
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Right.
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Anything else?
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It's just, I mean, it's just a theory that maybe he buys into.
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Maybe it's not going to happen.
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Who knows?
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Sure.
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But one thing that you can tell is Alex is not interested in exploring that.
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We'll do a part two.
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Part two.
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We'll do a part two.
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I'm going to give you topics in part two, though, and it will not be the Mayan calendar.
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That's not one I want to be associated with at all.
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Nope.
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I believe a lot of weird shit, but not the Mayan calendar.
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I hang my hat on it.
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Yep.
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To Alex's credit, I guess we could say that that's one thing that he did not dance around
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with too much.
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Yep.
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And it's so fucking funny.
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Here, Willie Nelson, are you familiar with the Mayan calendar?
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Are you familiar with the mic?
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But that's like, I mean, there's so many performers.
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There's so many musicians, all of that stuff.
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People have a perception of what these people might believe, but we've met some plenty.
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Sure.
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People project a lot onto public figures.
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Yeah.
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And there's people who are completely normal, everything like that, and then all of a sudden
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they'll say something, they'll be like, oh, you're out of your mind.
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I did not realize that.
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Do you know about the underground dwelling?
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I do.
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I will see you, you know what, I'll see you tomorrow.
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That'd be great.
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We'll do the show tomorrow.
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And this really highlights, I think, a lot of the bizarreness of Willie, and especially
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this interview, is that he's got a lot of clearly what appear to be good intentions.
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Sure.
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There's a number of things that he's into that are pretty cool, like being opposed to
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the war, urban gardening, hemp, biodiesel, these things are all fine, and then you've
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got 9-11, conspiracism, you've got maybe Mayan calendar belief, you've got Bush is going
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to cancel the election.
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He's a man of layers.
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There's both sides.
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I would say here's the problem for any of those, and I think this is a good rule for
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everybody.
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If the person who is saying something you know has a group of people around them who
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say, oh, you're so smart, all the time, don't believe anything that that person says.
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Just as a rule, there are people who might say the exact same stuff, but around them
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are people going, you're an idiot, and you can trust them more, because they're fighting
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it.
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Or, I don't know, just don't trust Willie Nelson.
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Don't trust Willie Nelson!
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The guy who was in The Highwayman, he's not a smart man, or he's not a super smart man,
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I don't care.
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He's smart, and he has some good ideas, but not everything is great.
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That's the feeling that I kind of am left with.
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So we come to the end of the interview, and here's how we go out.
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Willie Nelson, we're out of time, this has been the most amazing interview I have ever
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done.
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I've interviewed so many great people, and I just want to thank you for spending this
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amazing time with us, sir.
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I feel like, at a certain level, we're kindred spirits, and I just love you.
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Well you too, Alex, I admire what you're doing, you've got a lot of guts, and just keep doing
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it, buddy.
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Well, I guess we're all highwaymen in the end, and we'll come back around, fly that
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starship across the universe divide.
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That's good.
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All right, Willie, we're going to roll this song out, and I'll talk to you in just one
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moment, then I'll let you go.
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Please stay right there.
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I'm Alex Jones, we'll have a report on this at prisonplanet.com.
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Stay with us.
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I was a sailor, I was born upon the tide.
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I mean, that's like, top ten moments of life, kind of things.
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Yeah, that really is.
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You know?
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That really is.
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Getting to riff about the Highwaymen lyrics with Willie Nelson after telling him you love
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him.
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It's great.
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Here's what I find fascinating, right?
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I've always been, throughout my career, always been like, oh, my heroes never put too much
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into a hero, they're going to let you down, that kind of thing.
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It never occurred to me that I would meet my hero, find out my hero is a fan, find out
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my hero really appreciates what I would do, and then I would be disappointing.
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That never occurred to me.
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I feel like this would be like me interviewing Dickie Barrett before things fell apart a
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little bit, and then riffing about Someday I Suppose or something like that.
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I would be referencing lyrics to him.
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Over the Moon.
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Over the Moon.
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It's amazing.
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Yeah.
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It's amazing.
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I just want, like, I would want, because this seal exists, if I met my hero and it
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still existed, I would want to come off way better than Alex does.
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I do think that it's not the best-handled interview.
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That's for sure.
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It's not as bad as it could be, though.
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No, no, I think that's kind of my place, where I'm coming from at, though, is if I'm meeting
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my hero, then my game has to be the most elevated it's ever been, right?
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This is my moment that I'm going to remember forever.
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Like, Alex still can think about, he's still playing gravedigger, you know?
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This is still there for him.
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I would not want a single iota of, like, oh, I could have been better, you know?
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That I could have been better would have just toxified the whole thing, you know, and made
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it less than it should be.
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Well, maybe those insecurities are yours.
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Yeah, maybe I'm fucked up and I need help.
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Yeah.
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Could be.
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But, yeah, I found this, and I just thought, this is strange.
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I always, I mean, I knew that he'd interviewed Willie Nelson before, and never necessarily
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heard the, like this, the first time, I just thought it was mind-blowing, how there's just
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this duality of, like, yeah, you like Willie, but then at the same time, what are you talking
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about?
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Then you have Alex with this.
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How do you handle someone you admire so much overwhelming you with, like, your butt?
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I don't know.
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He's definitely on his back foot because of that.
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And then, you know, there's just the moment of sincerity, of the, like, I love you.
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I love the highwaymen, too, and, like, the moment of sincerity being articulated in such
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a way as, your friends are dead, how is that, is so weird.
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It is such a very specific man would do the things that Alex did.
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You know, like, and not even, like, just the idea of, like, oh, wow, my hero loves what
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I do, like, then I think I'll try and make him happy more, you know, like, I'll do stuff
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that he likes, I guess, but Alex can't even do it.
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But the thing that he thinks he likes is talking about his dead friends, and them being dead.
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That's fair, that's fair.
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It's so weird.
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It's weird, but it's also kind of on brand, you know, like, it kind of feels like, yeah,
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this is about, this is about how Alex Woodard and Willie Nelson.
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I feel, I relate to Alex, he feels like Alex is a human being, and I can finally, like,
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see him as a human being and not a sociopathic monster, you know?
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There's a little bit of that.
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Yeah, huh.
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And there's, you know, whatever.
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It is not enough, it's not enough that we can bond over the highwaymen, I'll tell you
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that right now.
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No, it is not.
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It is not enough.
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But yeah, so that's the time that Willie Nelson, shotgun Willie, came to town.
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I find the present so strange if the context of our conversation today is, cool person
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Willie Nelson was on Alex's show in 2008, right?
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Shitty person Tucker Carlson is on Joe Rogan's show in 2024.
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Like, that is not how things were supposed to go in terms of time if I was in 2008 and
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you asked me like, oh, there are these two tracks.
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We've got news radio, and we've got fucking, oh my god.
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Yeah, those two things you bring up are very different.
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Very different.
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Willie being on Infowars and Tucker being on Rogan, very, very different.
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Strange world we live in.
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Bad, bad.
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Yep.
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Not good.
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Oh well.
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Yep.
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We'll be back with another episode, but until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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And, man, we're not even, I'm not really on social media.
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We're not really on any social media at all.
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Let's give up this facade.
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Yeah, let's stop pretending.
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Oh well.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZXClark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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