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Hey everybody!
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Welcome back to Knowledge Right, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex
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Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, bud?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, because I fucked it up on the last episode.
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Sure.
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And I forgot.
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Yeah.
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Got the stackies back going.
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Nice.
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That's stackies.substack.com.
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Indeed.
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They got a post out on Friday.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I fucked up again.
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How'd you fuck up this time?
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Well, I always feel like everybody gets so much fucking spam, and so much...
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Sure.
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And so there's a drop-down menu when you're publishing a post, and it says, send to all
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subscribers through email.
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Which makes sense.
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They're the ones who subscribed.
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It does.
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And the idea is they want the email.
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Right.
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Yes, it's an active choice.
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I unchecked that, though.
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That's the wrong check!
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Exactly.
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I unchecked that, and so I'm like, I don't think a lot of people actually knew this happened,
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or this came out, or were reminded.
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So I think there's an option where I can send the post to everybody, so I may end up doing
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that after the fact.
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I still have been thinking about, should I do that?
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Is that bothering people?
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Yes!
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No!
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Of course.
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Of all the things that you do, this is the one time you're like, please send me email.
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I have to go out of my way to not get emails from people.
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In this case, people are going, please!
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Click!
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I'm sure.
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I mean, if you subscribe, you probably want to be reminded.
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But yeah, anyway, that's there.
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If you want to find it directly, that's where it's at.
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Do it!
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And it's good times.
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And then you'll get an email later.
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Yep, probably.
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Just ignore that.
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From me.
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Hey!
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Hey!
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Are you reading yet?
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Jordan will hack my Hack the Substack in order to take care of this.
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That's the plan.
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot, the wife and I went to a movie theater for the first time in five years.
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I knew this was coming.
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Yeah, and we saw Dune!
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Right.
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Yep, it was good.
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Cool.
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Did you get some spice?
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Uh, I did not get any spice.
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There was plenty of spice.
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It was good.
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Did you get the much-memed popcorn bucket?
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No, we went to the Logan Theater, which is infinitely better.
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I don't even know if that popcorn bucket's real.
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I just keep seeing pictures of it on Twitter.
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I don't want any part of any, but I don't even want the internet in my life.
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If I worked at a movie theater, I would replace the bottles of the yellow salt that they put
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on the popcorn and label it spice.
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Well, yeah, melange.
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Uh huh.
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If you will.
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I don't want to cater to nerds that much.
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No, you just label it spice.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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All right.
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Hit the broad.
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Like a half-assed version of it.
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And I'd have everybody dress up like worms.
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Yeah.
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I know very little about Dune.
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These are the references I have.
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I think you've crushed it so far.
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You've nailed it.
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One hundred percent.
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I've heard it's good.
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I've heard the movie's good.
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It's really good.
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I would recommend, like, watch them both.
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When it comes out, I think you'd actually really enjoy watching them, but only if you
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watch them both at your leisure.
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You got about five hours to invest, right?
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Spend a day, you know, maybe take an hour off the same way people read Dune, experience
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the movie.
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Sure.
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Be like, ah, this is really boring.
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You're talking about, like, with an intermission or something.
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Take a shit, you know?
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Sure.
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And then watch it while you're doing that, and then turn it off, and then move on to
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another thing.
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See, for me, I don't really ever have the drive to watch movies.
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Sure.
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And so I feel like I'd need to go to a theater to watch it.
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Yeah.
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It would need to be an appointment thing.
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But, yeah, maybe I'll watch them down the road.
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Also, it's great.
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I mean, it's just, I would watch it in the theater just because it's, like, big.
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It's big.
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Big old worms.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So you know somebody else who probably watched Dune?
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Probably Alex.
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Alex Jones?
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I would assume so.
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I would assume so.
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But we're not going to be talking about the present day.
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We have an episode to go over from the past.
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Sure.
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But we'll get down to business on exactly what happened there.
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But before we do, let's say hello to some new walks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, we can solve the great Chicagoland potato tomato debate through protoplast fusion
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creating pomatos, parentheses, this is a real thing.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Alex Jones is basically a pin-shawn character come to life except his name is
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too boring.
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It should be like frothing ham owl glass or something.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, today's Trucker Speed is brought to you by Raid Shadow Legends.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, multiversestonight, ooh, multiverses, ooh, see, I keep putting the parentheses on
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the wrong word.
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Okay, I gotcha.
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Multiversetonights, Thomas Townley, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And I don't think I ever applied for a shout-out, just Robert is fine for that.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we got a technocratic in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to I Made a Patreon to
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support Yiff Games and this podcast.
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Don't tell my wife.
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Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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So here's the situation, Jordan.
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Yes.
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I've been going back and trying to get all the episodes for the live shows ready.
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And so through doing that, I end up listening to a bunch of episodes that we don't end up
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using because they're not good or they're not good for live shows.
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But occasionally I come across something that I think is like, oh boy, this is something
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that we should talk about.
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It's just not good for on a stage.
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That happens.
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And so I did find one such episode.
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I thought, okay, this would be an interesting thing to cover.
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It's sort of out of the blue.
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I could use a little break from the Elon Musk saga at the present day.
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Please, dear Lord.
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Yes.
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So I wanted to go to the past.
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So I decided there were two options.
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We could continue in 2004, which we're not abandoning, but it would be, we could go to
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the 2004 or we could do this episode that I decided was good, but not for a live episode.
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Right.
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So you gave me the option.
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I texted you out of the blue, A or B. Now here's the thing.
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I chose the other one and you've decided we're going to go with this one.
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Yes, I gave you the illusion of choice because it wasn't about what you actually chose.
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It was how I would feel after you made the choice.
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Okay.
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So if I chose randomly incorrectly and you felt like, oh, we should have done that.
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That would tip you over the edge into deciding which one to do.
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I wasn't sure which one I wanted to do.
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I wasn't sure if I was like really fully into doing this episode.
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So I wanted you to either choose it and see how I felt or you chose the other one and
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see if I was disappointed.
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That is fascinating because that suggests that the best way for you to chart a path
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forward is through regret.
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Uh, duh.
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But that's not possible from an entropic standpoint.
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Sure.
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So we need to predict what is going to go wrong for you in the future so you can not
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do that.
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Trust me, my brain is constantly thinking of the ways things could go wrong.
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But anyway, this episode is January 9th, 2008.
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I will not tell you what episode this could have been for the live show.
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I won't tell you.
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Okay.
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I won't tell you why this day was chosen.
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I won't tell you what city.
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All right.
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Nothing.
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Okay.
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None of that.
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Okay.
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January 8th.
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It might've been for Toronto.
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2008.
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Uh-huh.
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January 9th, 2008.
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January 9th, 2008.
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We're in a recession.
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The financial crash has happened.
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We're all going crazy.
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None of this is a factor in today's show.
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Oh, okay.
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Sorry, I'm just trying to get in the mood.
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No.
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The primary season is upon us, though.
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Right.
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We're in the 2008 primaries and kind of at the beginning.
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The Iowa caucus has happened.
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Oh, yeah?
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So...
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And we just had the New Hampshire primary.
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Okay.
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And that will become the focus of this episode.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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It's madness.
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It's absolute madness.
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I'm excited.
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We all remember where we were when the New Hampshire primary of 2008 happened.
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I don't think we do.
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I think some people have some memories of it, but they've also forgotten them.
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Yeah.
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And now we will reawaken those memories.
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Okay.
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Here's where the episode starts off.
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The big national debate for the last two days, I didn't talk about it once yesterday, but
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everybody wants to talk about it, Hillary cried and they're having debates about was
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it real.
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The neocons are saying, oh, yes, it's real.
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She thought she was going to lose, so she cried.
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This is a woman who goes to Kentucky and goes, how are you?
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She comes to Texas and she talks like this.
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I mean, they put videos together online of four or five different fake accents.
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People go to England and adopt an Atlantic or Eastern Buffy, type first and how the third.
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Of course it's fake.
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Why do you obsess on things like that that don't matter?
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It doesn't matter.
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Doesn't matter.
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Wait.
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Mm-hmm.
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So the point of this is not that she changes her accent.
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No, but he likes doing voices, so I think that's a...
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Right.
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The point is you shouldn't care about this thing that I just spent quite a while talking
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about.
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Yeah.
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Gotcha.
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The point is that she does this fake shit, like these accents, so obviously she's faking
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the crying, but also who cares?
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Right.
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Fine.
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Okay.
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So this was a pretty big deal in the 2008 primary season in January when Hillary Clinton
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didn't cry, but welled up a tiny bit when answering questions at an undecided voters
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meeting.
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She was asked how she keeps going on the campaign trail and she said it was hard, but she loved
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the country and while answering, she looked like she was expressing some real emotion.
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This was notable because the press liked to characterize Hillary as a heartless robot
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type in no small part thanks to the inherent misogyny that ran under media coverage back
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then and to a lesser extent still.
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If Hillary showed normal human emotion, she would be branded as too emotional to lead
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on account of her irrational femininity.
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Conversely, if she showed no emotion, she was a calculating power hungry machine with
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ice water in her veins.
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Maybe the media had a negative way to frame her actions no matter how she acted.
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After this incident in 2008, Hillary pulled out an unexpected win in the New Hampshire
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primary largely due to a surge in women voters turning out.
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The polling about this primary was all over the place and part of the reason was the chaotic
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beginning to both the campaigns for Obama and for Hillary.
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Hillary was the presumptive favorite before the primary started and was polling way ahead.
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Then Obama won the Iowa caucuses and Hillary came in third behind Obama and John Edward.
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Obama carried that momentum and Hillary's campaign took a huge hit in people's estimation.
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Polling numbers went way down.
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This is part of what's in the background of that question she was asked at the voter meeting
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about how she keeps going.
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It obviously wasn't all about her emotional moment but she overperformed in New Hampshire
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and the media talked about it a lot and this is part of the story.
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Anyway, the media has now made it a story that Hillary was showing emotion and people
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in Alex's media space have decided to argue whether she was faking it or not and like
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I said, I think Alex just likes doing voices, thinks he's a voice actor, that Obama derailed
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his voice acting career, was Star-Lord, supposed to be Star-Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy.
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So close.
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That's two million that he tossed away.
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Easily two million.
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So this doesn't really matter but this is where Alex starts things off.
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The rest of this will not be about Hillary.
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You know, when you're constructing a narrative, I think it's always a good way to start with
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stuff that you can throw away.
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Sure.
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Absolutely.
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Disposable.
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This is dipping your toe in the water.
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Yeah, make it useless.
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And I like Alex liking voices.
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Yeah, that's true.
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It's low stakes.
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That is true.
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So Alex, there's this pre-polling of the New Hampshire electorate and it was off.
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Right.
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Hillary was supposed to lose.
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She was down a number of points and then she ended up beating Obama by a couple points.
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And so Alex has decided that the reason is Diebold voting machines.
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Okay, they're having to spin right now nationally that okay, Barack Obama was between 10 and
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20 points, depending on the poll, in every poll, ahead of Hillary.
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And polls have always been accurate until Diebold gets involved.
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And magically, he was winning in the areas, the 20% of areas where there wasn't Diebold.
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And then, of course, losing where there was Diebold, just like the individual who's the
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head of the Democrats right now, who I don't trust, but he wasn't the anointed one.
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He wasn't George Bush.
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He wasn't John Kerry.
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And that, of course, is Howard Dean.
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And he won in New Hampshire as high as 10 points, some areas lower, some areas higher,
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but on average, the news reported 9 to 10 points, in the areas that had paper ballots
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but lost by 10 points in the areas where it was Diebold.
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In a three-state area, 80 plus percent of the ballots are controlled by one company
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and one man.
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So if you follow, the argument Alex is making is that the reason the vote didn't match the
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polling is because of Diebold voting machines, which naturally were used to steal the election.
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This is an early run of some of the same shit Alex did about Dominion and Smartmatic in
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the 2020 election, so I thought it might be interesting to take a look at this whole election
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stealing talk and how it manifested back then.
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The implication of Alex's point, which he'll go on to make repeatedly, is that there is
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a noticeable difference in the voting patterns in areas that use optical scan technology
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to count votes and those that do hand counts.
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If this was the extent of Alex's point, then he would be correct.
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Researchers at William & Mary Law School did an analysis of this primary and found that
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Hillary got 4.3 percent more of the vote in machine wards, whereas Obama got 6.1 percent
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more in hand count wards.
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This is interesting, but it doesn't really tell us anything on its own.
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There are plenty of reasons that this disparity could exist, other than fraud being carried
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out by voting machines.
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However, Alex doesn't work like that.
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There's the appearance of something that works for him, so he jumps to the conclusion that
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he was already planning to report, and then he asserts it to the audience as studied fact.
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The William & Mary analysis went a little bit deeper and had this to say, quote, using
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a subset of New Hampshire wards that have similar demographic features and voting histories
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but differ in their vote-tabulating technologies, we find no significant relationship between
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awards use of vote-tabulating technology and the votes or vote shares received by most
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of the leading candidates who competed in the 2008 New Hampshire presidential primaries.
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They went on to say, quote, our results are consistent with these differences being due
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entirely to the fact that New Hampshire wards that use AccuVote optical scan machines have
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voters with different political preferences than wards that use hand-counted paper ballots.
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It was a limited sample due to the requirement of finding wards that could be matched, but
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their analysis found no reason to believe that the method of vote counting was responsible
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for one candidate doing better in places that counted votes one way as opposed to the other.
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It was a function of wards having different political preferences.
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So anyway, Alex just has something that looks weird, and he's found the easiest and most
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convenient explanation for it, which just so happens to be the one that's in line with
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his narratives, and so that's the truth, and we've proven it.
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It's in the white papers.
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It's been declassified.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's fun.
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It is.
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I mean, that is such a fun, like, when you account for variables, that's how you learn
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stuff, right?
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And that's cool.
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Everybody likes learning things, and that's applicable and useful, right?
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But whenever you don't and you just have a bunch of weird ass data points, that's a lot
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of fun.
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Yeah, it is.
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You know?
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Like, that could be crazy, or it could just be like, you know, there's more money in places,
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and there's more money they voted for Hillary more, and they could also afford smart data,
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you know?
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Vote counting are usually higher population density areas and things like that.
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There are tons of different patterns that track with this, and to not consider that
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is so dumb.
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But it is like how we get here is not Alex's fault.
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It's not, in a sense, in this sense, right?
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Everybody can hear Alex go like, oh, in one there's data machines, and in others there's
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not, and there's a difference, and everybody can go, well, if those two things are true
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and there's no other details I need to know, you are correct, sir.
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Yeah, Alex doesn't ask the follow-up question to, is there another reason why this could
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be the case?
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Right.
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But he pretends that what he's doing is critical thinking as opposed to what it is, which is
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the absence of critical thinking.
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This is just taking a fact and shoving it into the mold that you already have.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And that's fun.
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No, in a sense there's so much of our world that is just like ultimately coming down to
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people convincing you you've already critically thought, and people trying to convince you
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to start because it's never happened before.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So Alex is running a number of websites at this point.
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Right.
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We got Infowars.
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We got Prison Planet.
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Sure.
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We got the Jones Report.
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Do we?
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We got the website that he used to have.
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I don't know if it was going in 2008.
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Okay.
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He had some weird thing about Arnold Schwarzenegger and how much he hated him.
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Now I'm in.
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That was during the recount.
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Painting show and personal attacks on Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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Those are the two things we need.
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And there's another website that is the Ron Paul War Room.
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We got a lot of emails and calls on the Ron Paul War Room last night that we confirmed.
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We called the people and they said, well, we're talking to county officials first before
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we talk to you.
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Yeah, we went on your RonPaulWarRoom.com and posted that our whole family voted at this
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township in New Hampshire and it showed zero for Ron Paul.
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But now the township is telling us that don't talk to anybody.
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That's what they always tell you.
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You better go public now.
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And in a whole bunch of townships where they get 300, 400 plus votes, not one Ron Paul
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over and over and over and over again.
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So exactly what Bev said look for happened.
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There is no doubt there has been chicanery.
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Chicanery is afoot.
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I like chicanery.
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And people are talking to the clerks and then the clerks are like, don't snitch.
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Don't tell anybody.
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If you see one Ron Paul vote, don't snitch.
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Don't snitch.
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So at this point in time, Alex is running a website called the Ron Paul War Room.
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It's a pretty standard like WordPress blog of the time, except that users could register
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and then post whatever they wanted.
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So there's a bunch of different authors posting various gripes about how too few people like
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Ron Paul.
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Sure.
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Seems like a number of them are pretty defensive about the racist stuff he published in his
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newsletter too, which makes sense.
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Apparently someone posted on there about how Paul got screwed out of some votes in a city
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in New Hampshire.
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So Alex is all over the story.
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This relates to a single town called Sutton, which is going to factor heavily into this
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episode and Alex is going to hinge an elaborate conspiracy on this one town.
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How many people live in Sutton?
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It's not tiny, but it's not huge also, but it's a small town.
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What happened in Sutton was that a family of folks on the Ron Paul War Room noticed
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that they had voted for Paul, but in the media it was reported that he got zero votes in
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that town.
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There was an administrative error where the clerk had sent the media the wrong number,
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which was corrected before the clerk even got to work the next day.
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It was a tiny bit of human error, but because it was related to Ron Paul, whose most ardent
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supporters are weirdo conspiracists, this became evidence that the whole election was
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being stolen to prevent Ron Paul from easily winning, which you would do if people didn't
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just get in the way.
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We'll get into this more as the episode goes along, but that's what this is about.
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An administrative error that was quickly corrected in a town where Ron Paul got 31 out of 423
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votes cast in the GOP primary.
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When Alex mentions Bev there, he's talking about Bev Harris, who's a noted crusader against
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electronic voting and enthusiastic participant in what Alex is gearing up to do in this episode.
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She is basically a Ron Paul advocate more than she is an expert in anything.
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It is a mess.
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All right.
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All right.
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So yeah.
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I wish, and if I'm given the opportunity to recreate the universe, I don't know if I will
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be, but if I'm given the opportunity, I will give a lot more weight to people when they
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say stuff like, oh, can't we just not with this?
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Like that should be almost a sacrosanct, like as a species, we should all like hold in high
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highest regard.
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If somebody says like, can we just not do this?
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And that should, it should count for these situations.
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Oh, Ron Paul didn't get two votes.
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Can we please just not do this?
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Oh, I thought you meant with this podcast.
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No, no, no.
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Can we please just not do Ron Paul?
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I understand.
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And you know what?
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We'll fix it.
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We'll fix it later.
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But can we please just not be mad about it?
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But you know, what's interesting is that at this point it's unclear the extent to which
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Ron Paul's actual campaign
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Even knew about it?
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Who was activated about it or was mad?
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Or was campaigning in New Hampshire at all?
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They were doing some campaigning.
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Sure.
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Ron Paul wanted this one.
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But yeah, it's, I would say they shouldn't, but the incentive is very high for Alex.
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It's very high.
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It's very high.
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So we got Bev Harris coming in and she and Alex are going to discuss in very responsible
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tone this election administrative error.
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Sure.
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We got Bev Harris.
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Bev, break down exactly what we've seen develop here.
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Oh boy.
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I just got off the phone with the town of Sutton.
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Ron Paul got 31 votes, not zero.
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I have it confirmed from the town clerk.
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I asked her why the discrepancy and she said they simply failed to put the right number
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on the form they sent to the media.
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Sure.
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It's accidental.
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And it doesn't matter.
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This is unacceptable.
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Shut it down!
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The classic method.
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The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form.
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Classic.
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Classic.
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Wait.
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Classic from who?
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Everyone.
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To you.
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This is how they do it.
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What?
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I'm sorry?
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Everyone does it.
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But like one example.
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Classic.
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Sutton, New Hampshire.
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Oh, nevermind.
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You've got me.
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Based on Bev's reporting and based on everything else you can tell here, all that happened
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was that the wrong number was conveyed to the media.
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There's no reason to jump to the conclusion that these 31 votes were misreported in terms
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of official vote tallies, but that's not a detail that's getting any attention here.
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All we know is that someone didn't send the right number to the media.
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Well, it's not because, listen, he didn't win the New Hampshire primary and we knew
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we wouldn't, but if the media reports that he got zero votes, then nobody's going to
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vote for him in the next primary.
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But if they report, oh, he got 31 from Sutton?
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That's momentum we can take.
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You know the old expression, as goes Sutton.
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As goes Sutton.
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1,800 people in 2024.
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That's the size of the town.
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So I mean, I do get that on some level, that if you're going to just say, across the board,
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wipe his votes in order to demotivate the base or something.
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Sure.
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Taking 31 out of Sutton, it doesn't have the same, doesn't really have the oomph.
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That's what we really need, truly, is an absolutely 100% real conspiracy that we all know that
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sounds as ridiculous and movie-like as we can imagine.
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But they lose by 31 votes.
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You know?
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Well, you remember that movie?
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They forgot to steal them from Sutton.
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Remember that movie Swing Vote?
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Exactly.
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It's like that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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100% true evil conspiracy that just fucking forgot to steal Sutton's votes.
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Fuck.
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Ah, we were going to rule the world or whatever, but now I guess Obama's going to press him.
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Now Ron Paul's in office, fuck.
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What did we do?
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Oh, no.
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So all we really know here is that the wrong number was reported to the press, and then
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it was corrected quickly.
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But in the meantime, someone who voted for Ron Paul noticed that discrepancy and alerted
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Alex and his associates about it.
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You get the strong sense that Alex is about to overreact about this.
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Maybe.
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And yeah, you're right, he is.
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Okay.
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So Alex wants the details.
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How are their details?
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Bev, tell me everything.
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What's the evil plan?
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Bev, this is huge breaking news.
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Stop, stop.
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This is huge breaking news.
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Again, tell everybody listening the name of the township.
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This is just one.
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You see, with an hour forecast, give us all the names.
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This is huge breaking news.
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It's the town of Sutton.
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Now remember, they don't do counties in New Hampshire.
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It's all done by town.
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Township of Sutton.
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It's just town.
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It's the town of Sutton, s-u-t-t-o-n.
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And I just got off the phone with Jennifer Call, who is the town clerk, and she confirmed
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that Ron Paul actually did get 31 votes, not zero.
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Now understand something, this is more votes than he got or was reported to have gotten
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in almost every place.
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Yeah, the reason that Ron Paul got less votes everywhere is because he's very not popular.
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He's an old asshole who has a bit of a racist past and sports policies that are extremely
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far to the right for most voters.
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He's won over a sliver of very vocal and aggressive folks on the left and right with his cool
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opposition to drug laws and his anti-war stance, so you see this appearance of popularity online,
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but in the real world he is not popular.
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And it makes sense that he would have little, like it makes sense.
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Like Sutton would have 30 people who love Ron Paul, they probably hang out together,
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they go bowling, like these are a group of people.
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Sure.
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Yeah, it makes sense.
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You notice in there that Bev gave out this town clerk's name, which is interesting because
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this all led to an awful outcome for this woman.
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Oh, for God's sakes.
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As reported in the Concord Monitor, Jennifer Call was hit with a flood of harassment right
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around the time that this episode was airing.
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From the article, quote, the assault picked up after lunch.
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All supporters began phoning Call claiming to be from the media.
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Others just yelled, saying she'd committed treason, fraud.
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One person said she should be shot.
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This all had a very severe effect on her.
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Again, from the article, quote, she went home and locked her doors.
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She called her mother in North Carolina.
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She cried.
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The calls kept coming.
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She unhooked her answering machine and requested an unlisted number.
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I was drained emotionally and physically, Call said.
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That's when I really started to freak out.
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Thursday, it hit me that most of these people are not rational.
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That's when I became scared.
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It's like they were calling her home phone and harassing her.
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It's crazy.
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This harassment picked up around lunch because that's when Alex's show aired, when he and
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Bev Harris put a target on her.
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It's an hour later in New Hampshire, so this lines up almost perfectly.
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And another detail stood out from her telling of the story in the Concord Monitor.
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Quote, one person said he was on a nationally syndicated radio station and he's given out
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my phone number and they need to call the town of Sutton to find out why there's voter
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fraud.
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Can you imagine how many nationally syndicated radio shows were talking about this at this
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immediate time, maybe one?
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It seems like there's a small pool from which to, yeah.
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And I think that this is kind of like poorly worded.
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Like I don't think that she meant that Alex called her.
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Right.
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One person said he was on a nationally radio station.
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One person who was talking to her about the thing said he heard through the national radio.
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I assume that that's what is being communicated.
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I understood, yeah.
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This doesn't get much clearer cut than this.
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Alex needed a narrative to distract away from how unpopular Ron Paul is, so he decided to
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jump on this administrative error to use it as proof of voter fraud.
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In the process, he put a real human in the crosshairs as a person who's to blame for
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screwing over Paul, and she had to pay the real consequences of his actions.
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This dynamic exists in a lot of Alex's stories, but it's very often the case that the harm
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that's done is too obscure to end up being documented, or he's vague enough to have plausible
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deniability that his actions didn't lead to this harassment.
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But what happened to Jennifer Call happened to a lot of people because of Alex.
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It's just that this one is pretty direct.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is strange that there's no like, there's nothing to learn other than sometimes in this
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life, in our society, yours will just get exploded for no reason.
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Just no rhyme, no reason, your life has just exploded today.
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And a lot of times it's like, if you look at it in this case, it's someone who's just
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going about their business and someone else had a different agenda and you were collateral
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damage to it.
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Yep.
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And that's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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The idea of acknowledging that to a lot of the world, your personhood is non-existent.
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That's difficult.
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It's tough because you feel like you're a person most of the time.
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Yeah.
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Your experience is generally of person-ness.
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Being a person, yeah.
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So Bev gives out her name again and make some accusations.
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We caught this because our listeners at RonPaulWarRoom.com, an entire family, the parents, the out of
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the home, you know, 20 something year old children, all five of them went down to vote
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and then they watched the results and it said zero, baby.
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And now you called the town clerk.
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Give us her name again.
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Spell it.
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It's Jennifer Call, C-A-L-L, just like telephone call.
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Unbelievable.
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And here's the thing, the way that a hand count can be rigged is, and here's what they're
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doing in New Hampshire, they have, the people are counting everything in public real nice.
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They fill out a form in public real nice, and then they transfer it to another form
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and they call that a summary sheet and that's the one they send in.
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And so what happened is she said they did not transpose the number correctly and put
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zero instead of 31.
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That is unacceptable as an answer.
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So they're very clearly directing the audience to miscall and they're loading them up with
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the accusation that whatever mistake her office made was an intentional act to rig the primary
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against RonPaul.
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This is just overall top to bottom unacceptable behavior from both of them.
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And Bev is just wrong.
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She says that the form that Call sent out had a zero for RonPaul, but it didn't.
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From the Concord Monitor article, quote, the slot next to Paul's name on the original return
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sheet said 31, but a space on Call's return next to Paul's name remained blank.
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She didn't write in a zero.
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She forgot to enter a number.
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I know that sounds like splitting hairs, but it's not, because writing in a zero implies
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some level of intent.
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Maybe you actually don't have any intent, but you could, it looks like you had to take
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an action.
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It's much easier to understand something being left blank as being an accident.
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Alex and Bev are incentivized to fudge whatever details they can to make this seem more like
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voter fraud because their candidate sucks and they can't accept that, because that ruins
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their whole thing.
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Yeah.
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Oh no, our guy sucks.
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Yeah, she could have hit tab twice, you know, on the spreadsheet and then missed the cell
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and then 31 just got disappeared.
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Or it's brutal.
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Or if it's just by hand, it's easy to just pass over it, you know, and not for nothing.
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It got corrected quickly and there's no indication this went anywhere other than the media.
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I think it is a testament to Alex's evil and power that it's like, God, do we really have
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to, we do, we have to get into the fucking weeds on 31 assholes who voted for Ron fucking
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Paul in an election where he lost by several hundred million.
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Several hundred million is how much Ron Paul lost by and we're mad about 31 votes.
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Yeah, the other thing that is made, the point that's made in these articles from around
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that time that I think is really true is like, you can fuck up like this when it's Giuliani.
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You can fuck up like this if it's, you know, Romney, but you cannot fuck up like this with
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Ron Paul.
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His audience is all conspiracy theorists.
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They're all paranoid weirdos.
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Not all, but you know what I mean?
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You have to be on, you have to be right every time or else they're going to exploit the
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fuck out of it.
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Right.
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And that's what you're seeing here.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, obviously this is grounds for a recount.
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We got to, we got to do a fucking recount.
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That is unbelievable.
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Beth Harris, what needs to happen?
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I think they need to throw all the results out now and have a recount at least in the
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20%.
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I mean, look, it's bad because let me tell you what else, if they have a recount, it
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will cost Ron Paul about $67,000 and there is a problem with chain of custody.
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I'm sorry, I've got another phone ringing, but I'm going to ignore it, but I, sorry,
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it's coming over your line if it is.
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No, it may be breaking news.
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Pick it up, pick it up.
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No, no, it's okay.
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I'll tell you, cause I've been getting all kinds of things from all kinds of citizens.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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However, we are not comfortable with the chain of custody for the recount ballot.
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So, uh, it's a toss up whether he should spend $67,000 to get a recount, which is what it
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will cost him.
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He should because it'll draw a national attention to the cheating.
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And then if they cheat the recount, we catch him again, Beth.
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They got to do it.
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If they do it, they have to do it statewide because what, because if you do a spot check
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recount, it can be gained very easily.
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I understand.
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Okay.
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So basically Alex would end up getting that recount that he wanted.
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Yeah.
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His audience helped raise the money for the poll campaign and Dennis Kucinich from the
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Democrat side also joined in for the call for the recount and it went down.
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In the GOP primary, the only result of the recount was they found one more vote for Romney.
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Hey!
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That's it.
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Great.
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On the Democrat side, they found that there was one poll worker who had miscounted votes
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by hand, which resulted in both Obama and Clinton gaining votes.
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So ultimately the recount didn't change anything.
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But there was one person who messed up in a very narrow sense that has no effect on
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Ron Paul.
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So Alex is kind of giving up the game there a little bit.
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He wants a recount because it would get national attention.
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He has to know deep down that Ron Paul sucks and that a recount isn't going to turn up
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a bunch of votes for him.
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But this is a great opportunity to grandstand and not for nothing, all attention for Ron
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Paul is positive for him.
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They are entwined in a way that, you know, is unfortunate.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, because Ron Paul doesn't get votes so much as both of them get a advertising
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base.
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You know?
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I mean, Ron Paul I think has a gold thing.
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Sure.
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But I mean, yeah.
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You know, it's like you're not going to accrue enough votes to do a thing, but the more people
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you have who would vote for you is the more people who are going to listen to Alex's show
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and buy his stuff.
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Well.
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And your stuff.
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That's not fully true.
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It is nationally true.
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Sure.
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But you know, Ron Paul could get elected to the House of Representatives.
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Sure.
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He could locally create enough of a base to get into an office, but in terms of nationally,
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absolutely not.
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Right, right, right.
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It is just advertising.
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Right.
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When Alex wants national attention for Ron Paul, he's looking for national attention
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for Alex.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Because he's fighting the good fight.
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That's not why.
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No, it is not.
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No.
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No, no, no, Paul, Ron Paul, what about him?
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He got worse results from the machine areas.
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So I put together a spreadsheet, put it on the website for everyone to use to put their
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own results into, which outlined every one of the 250 New Hampshire townships and which
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voting system they use.
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And there is also a discrepancy, the voting machines gave him worse results than the hand
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counts.
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That's the same thing with Howard Dean, wasn't it?
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Yes, it is.
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And by the way, the discrepancy there was they gave Ron Paul about two and a half percent
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worse results than the hand counts, and they gave Hillary five percent better results than
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the hand count.
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Which is exactly what she beat Barack Obama at.
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So Alex is off there.
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Yeah.
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Glenn beat Obama by about 2.6 percent.
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He's saying that her lead matches the machine count thing because he's trying to say that
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the machine stole the election for Hillary.
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This is all very confusing because the marquee example that they have here is from Sutton,
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which was hand counted.
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So this all seems like a big mess.
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There's weird machine fraud conspiracies going on here, but the specific you have is a hand
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count?
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I don't fucking know.
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Now, bigger picture, the voting machines didn't give Ron Paul worse results than hand counts.
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He happened to do worse in areas that used voting machines, most likely because they
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were the cities and larger population centers.
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In more rural areas, you're more likely to have towns that use hand counting, and you're
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more likely to find fringe-ass libertarian Paul fans.
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The possibility that there could be another explanation for the hand count towns versus
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machine tally towns is never even considered.
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It's just accepted, wholly unsupported and unproven, as proof that the globalists are
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screwing over Ron Paul using the machines.
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But then again, Sutton is hand counted, so the plot is muddy.
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Yeah.
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It's very muddy.
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But you should just know that everything is fucked.
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There's chicanery.
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You know, here's the fun thing, though, I will say about these people, right?
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And this is the hard thing.
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So with the left, you know, with Howard Dean and that stuff, Occam's Razor wins out, right?
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Like this country hates the left, it always has.
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It's always going to.
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It hates us, right?
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So that's fine.
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It's not a conspiracy.
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They just hate it, right?
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But with the far right and with the JBS guys, it's not the same because they've had so much
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power in the United States for so long.
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True.
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So it makes sense for them a little bit to be like, I don't know, we could probably just
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take it.
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Like that's how they've done it, you know?
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Well, sure.
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I think that even beyond that or behind that, there is the certainty of being right.
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And someone like Alex has this position that like, obviously Ron Paul is right about everything
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and everybody likes him because he's right about everything.
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So these numbers showing terrible support for him can't possibly be right.
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And I think that has so much to do with how we view our own history, like moving backwards.
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And not like just Americans, but the human race, how we do it is like people can't understand
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that it's far more reasonable for Ron Paul in like the past, because we have to remember
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that we continually losing voting electorate as we go backwards, as we go back and back
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and back, you say, oh, Ron Paul's only voter base was white men.
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And you're like, haha, he ran this country for one hundred and fifty years.
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Sure.
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You understand?
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It's reasonable.
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Sure.
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But you have to be you have to pump the brakes because Ron Paul isn't doing any of this stuff.
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This is Alex on Ron Paul's behalf.
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True.
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So, I mean, granted, he does get a recount in New Hampshire.
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Jesus Christ.
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But why not?
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Yeah.
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I mean, yeah.
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Go for it.
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Alex's fans are fundraising.
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Honestly, 67K isn't even that much.
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And it's not that much work.
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I'm sure somebody got an extra day.
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Maybe there's some OT involved.
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It's probably for the best.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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But all of the statements and all of the energy and the feeling that, you know, it's easy
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to ascribe to the Paul campaign is really coming out of Alex as a de facto mouthpiece
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for them.
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That's true.
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So, you know, who's to say how much they would, you know, absolutely sign off on?
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Maybe a lot.
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Maybe the most.
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Who knows?
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You'll see.
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So Bev has some more breaking news for Alex.
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I will give you some more breaking news.
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I haven't even put this on my website yet.
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How's Don degree?
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I have a report coming to me.
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Now, yesterday we broke the story about this one sole force provider programming every
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voting machine in New Hampshire.
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You also broke the news that Hillary was kicking Barack Obama and Ron Paul, specifically poll
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watchers, out.
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Oh, this.
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And that was widely reported on the Internet.
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I was not able to confirm that because one of the things citizens need to learn is...
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Let me stop you, Bev.
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The Boston Globe did report it.
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The Boston Globe did report it.
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Good.
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Good.
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Okay.
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That was a weird instinct that Alex has.
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Yeah.
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Bev says that she has exclusive news to break, and instead of just letting her talk, he jumps
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in and tries to guess what the news is, referring to something that she allegedly posted on
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her website prior.
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But she said that she hasn't even posted about this thing yet, so that can't be what it is.
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Then Alex comes up with this story about Hillary kicking Ron Paul poll watchers out, which
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Bev says is just a rumor she can't substantiate, and Alex shoots back that it was in the Boston
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Globe.
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To that I say, was it really?
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Was it?
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I think it wasn't.
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Oh.
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That's the game.
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Alex wants this narrative put forth.
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She tried to protest since she can't back up the claim, and Alex has asserted his dominance,
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indicating that he's not going to let this go, and so she demurs, like, oh, good.
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Also she's off the hook.
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Like, it's not her making any claims.
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Yeah, hey, if Alex wants to claim that the Boston Globe made something up on his show...
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I've said my piece that I can't corroborate it, so whatever.
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Totally.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Done and done.
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This is hardly the first time that she's talked to Alex, though, so I have no doubt that she
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understands that when Alex says that something was reported in some outlet, there's no reason
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to assume it actually was.
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But when he says something like that, you know he's not going to budge, so you might
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as well just let him have his way, move forward, and like you said, there's no personal loss
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that if it turns out to not be true...
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I got no blood in this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, she does have some big news, though, that Alex derailed.
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All right.
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You ready for this?
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Yes.
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I don't think you are.
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I actually agree.
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I think you need to sit down.
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Okay.
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Ready for this?
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Sit down.
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Okay.
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LHS Associates, the firm that programmed every voting machine in New Hampshire, I have just
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gotten a call and I'm waiting to fax confirmation that one of the key people there has a criminal
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record.
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Oh.
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Evicted cocaine trafficker.
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Oh, my God.
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You know, with, not just that, but with complaints to the Attorney General already for election-related
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complaints.
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Just like they always catch Diebold and others with convicted hackers and, I mean, how many
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times, Bev, have we caught hardcore crooks working inside the elections at key places?
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So that's Bev's big bombshell here, and you can hear that Alex is getting a, you can get
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a giddiness from both of them, really, and Alex is, he's scandalized by this news.
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So LHS is the company that services many of the vote counting machines in New Hampshire
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and a few other states in the Northeast.
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Bev had gotten a tip that someone there was arrested as a cocaine trafficker, and this
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is very relevant news considering that the big scandal they're supposed to be covering
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is that Ron Paul got screwed over by a hand count.
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Right.
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This all traces back to someone named Ken Hajjar, who people are saying was arrested
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for drug possession and intent to distribute.
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I was able to find a blog post on this on a website called Op-Ed News from January 9th,
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but I think that it's piggybacking on Bev's coverage because it was posted at 9.30 p.m.,
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which is after this.
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Sure.
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On this blog, there's a link to what appears to be a court document that very well may
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be real, reflecting that Ken Hajjar pled guilty to an offense listed as, quote, sale slash
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CND in September 1987.
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That's 21 years before this episode was recorded.
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It's unclear what the precise crime was, but it does appear that it may have been something
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with drugs, since I think CND stands for Commission on Narcotic Drugs.
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I'm not sure exactly, but if you search for that specific charge, all you get is other
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blogs talking about Ken Hajjar.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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I've found a ton of blogs talking shit about this, and none of them specify what this means.
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But we do know that, according to this document, he was sentenced to no more than 12 months
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in jail, but got a deferred prosecution, meaning that if he could just not get re-arrested
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during the year of probation, he wouldn't do any time.
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This guy was actually a cocaine trafficker.
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They would not get this lenient of a sentence.
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This is the kind of charge you'd get if you or someone had a little more drugs on you
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than the cops thought were for personal use, so they'd decide to charge you with intent
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to distribute.
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I had friends get hit with that back in the day.
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In 87.
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In 87.
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In 87, if he had any crack on him, he'd be in jail forever.
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Sure.
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Right.
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But coke.
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So he's got coke, so we know he's white.
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I have no idea about this guy.
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I don't know anything about him, except for he was a salesperson for this company, and
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he got arrested in 87.
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Oh my god.
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So now, there's another problem here, which is that the person who works at LHS is named
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Ken Hajjar, but this indictment is for someone named Kananth Hajjar.
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It's hard to tell if this is a typo, or if this is actually a different person, or if
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that's what Ken's short for, it's entirely possible, but I can't find any indication
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either way.
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I tend to think it is a typo if it's a real document, or actually that's what his full
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name is.
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That is entirely possible.
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But more importantly, I don't really care.
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I don't think a minor drug arrest 21 years in the past precludes someone from being able
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to be employed by a company that provides support for elections.
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A further point is that one of the other sources cited in the op-ed news article claims that
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Hajjar doesn't even work on New Hampshire elections with LHS, so this seems entirely
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irrelevant.
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Even more to the point, he's in sales and marketing with the company.
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He's not even the person going around and servicing these machines.
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This is just people grasping at straws, trying to use one person's supposed criminal record
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to paint an entire company as criminal, and it's pathetic, because at this point, Alex
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is supposed to be this libertarian opposing drug laws.
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He's making a big deal out of a pissant drug arrest 21 years in the past, just because
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it's convenient for him.
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He doesn't actually care.
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This clip is so much like, this is the addict, though.
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This is the addiction part.
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That feeling that they just-
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And then Alex said, oh my god.
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Whatever he mumbled in the background.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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You knew, I knew, like that is that brain chemical giving you everything that you want.
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That is so much that dragon.
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We watched the documentary about American conspiracy, Danny Casolaro, that whole thing,
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and it is so much like, oh, you get so addicted to that feeling.
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It's such a rush over and over and over again that you're willing to give up everything
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else for it.
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You find whatever you're looking for behind every door.
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Oh, yeah.
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So, you know what I'm looking for behind a door?
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Beth?
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Dev?
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Highway Dev.
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Oh.
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I was a highway man along the coach roads I did ride.
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It's been a while.
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I missed it.
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Red alert.
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Red alert, ladies and gentlemen.
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Coast to coast.
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Border to border.
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I don't care if you're in Germany, in China, in Mexico, in the Netherlands, in Africa.
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You're listening right now.
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The evidence of the fraud, spread the word everywhere.
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It's got to go supernova on the web.
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If you're in Germany, you've got to care about this 31-fucking-lutely.
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Sutton, New Hampshire, baby.
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That's ground zero for this is our war.
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This is Fort Sumter.
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I don't give a shit.
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You're in Australia.
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This matters to you.
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You're in Brazil.
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This matters to you.
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Your water may flush the other direction, but not a democracy.
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I don't think it matters.
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I don't think so.
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No.
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It's a little bit dramatic.
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Yeah.
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But nice to hear the highway man again.
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It is always nice.
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Oh, so good.
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So Alex reports this story, re-reports it, and embellishes a bit of details along the
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way.
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Last night, we got the tip at RonPaulWarim.com.
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We talked to the family this morning, and they're saying, well, the county officials
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are telling us wait and only talk to them.
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No, no, no.
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Well, the good news is that Harris called that very same township, they have towns not
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counties there, but to set up in the same system, the city clerk, and she said to Bev
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right before airtime that yes, and this is the big news, yes, 30 plus votes in that township
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for Paul.
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Now, that's just what they're saying.
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See, because they've got all these people coming forward saying, hey, I voted.
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It might even be bigger.
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How do you, Bev, accidentally, because I want to go back to this and then into the cocaine
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trafficker, and boy, this is, I just got the backside secret scoop because I can be trusted.
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We can't say that much, but this is going to, this is just, it's always, it's always
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cocaine dealers.
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That's who runs the government.
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It's who runs America, but it's black ops, folks.
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So you can see how Alex has taken this one thing, and now he's speculating wildly that
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it's probably because there's actually more votes than even we know.
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Yeah.
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He's insisting on saying 30 plus because it's fun because it's plus one.
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I was literally just thinking, really, you're not going to 30 plus 31 on me.
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Are you really going to do that?
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He's going to do it.
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Yeah.
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And you can see how Alex is working on incorporating the story about the cocaine dealer into this
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developing narrative.
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This is a great piece to have in play because you can weave in ideas about the CIA running
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the drug trade.
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So maybe this guy's working for the CIA.
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Totally.
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I've seen some blogs suggesting that that's why he got a deferred sentence for his arrest,
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which is a convenient way for them to explain away this light sentence.
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It's always nice.
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But it is to work as part of the conspiracy.
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He needs to have been moving tons of cocaine, and the punishment doesn't fit that.
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So there needs to be another layer of conspiracy added on top to make sure all the details
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fit.
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It's great.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, the narrative is taking shape.
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You can definitely see that.
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And now it's time to build.
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Get out your Legos.
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All right.
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What are we doing?
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Where are we going with this?
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What I encourage your listeners to do is to go to the website or go to whatever website
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has these results and just look at how many little townships in New Hampshire even have
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as many as 31 votes for Ron Paul.
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And that's the point.
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You wonder how much he really got.
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And by the way, there are a bunch of townships that show zero, and you'll have hundreds and
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hundreds of votes and he gets zero.
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Even if he's at 8%, then he should get eight out of 100 instead of zero out of 300, 500,
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600.
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Folks, this stinks absolutely to the gates of heaven.
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So they did a recount and it turns out Ron Paul just sucks.
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This is all just completely unfounded speculation that Alex and Bev are engaging in.
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They have one example of an administrative error that they can't even prove affected
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official vote totals, only the number reported to the media.
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On that jumping off point, they're taking all of the places where Paul performed poorly
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and saying the same thing must have happened here because it's all a conspiracy against
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Ron Paul.
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This is the kind of thing you should expect to see from Alex.
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Just utter garbage narrative building meant to push his fake reality onto the audience
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presented as factual research truth.
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What makes me mad about this whole interview is Bev is going on about how she only reports
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what she can prove and she's a stickler for details, but here she is saying that Ron Paul
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must have gotten more votes in these towns where he performed poorly.
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This is something that I want to point out about these folks.
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For them, being a stickler for the details or only reporting what I can prove, that isn't
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an actual statement of policy or practice.
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It's a description of their brand.
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She markets herself as someone who's careful about this stuff, so people will take it more
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seriously when she says shit like, imagine how many more votes Ron Paul got.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It is so much like just the more weight you put on a, oh, I won't say that means the more
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power you get when you say bullshit.
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And that's a branding exercise more than it is anything else.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's not a reality thing, man.
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So let's keep building.
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Let's go.
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Another thing to look for as you're looking at the detail results is looking the ones
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where they say other votes.
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In the Democratic column, I noticed that the town of Manchester reported 570 votes of other.
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Other?
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I mean, what is 570 people voting for other?
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Guaranteed it's Ron Paul and Barack Obama.
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Yeah, they have to shift it from bin to bin so it matches the number of voting people
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who showed up.
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Are you an idiot?
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I think maybe.
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A lot of places probably only list the top three or four vote getters, and that leaves
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a ton of votes that end up getting summed up as, quote, other.
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For example, like at least 20 people got more than 10 votes in the Democratic primary, and
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that's not even counting the 2,517 votes for write-in candidates.
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50 bucks says one of them is Homer Simpson.
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I would bet, yeah.
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If you look at the New York Times coverage of the results, there are eight candidates
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listed, then the rest of the others are lumped in as other.
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But that doesn't mean that there's anything being hidden.
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Manchester is the most populous city in New Hampshire, so you can easily understand how
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there are more people there, so more opportunities for folks to vote for less successful candidates.
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So just for fun, I was able to find the itemized breakdown of votes by town for the Democratic
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primary, and it's very easy to find 500 votes that would go into the other category
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in Manchester.
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There were 192 votes for Dennis Kucinich alone.
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Hey!
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There were 56 for Biden, 45 for Mike Gravel, 32 for Chris Dodd, and here's the thing.
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You can vote for Republicans in the Democratic primary in New Hampshire.
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It doesn't end up affecting the Republican primary, but you can still vote for them.
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So John McCain got 144 votes.
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That'll teach him.
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Romney got 101, and Ron Paul got 38.
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Did better in the Democratic...
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Well, actually, no, I'm sorry.
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That's a different city.
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That's what I was going to say.
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That's not fair.
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I understand what you're saying, but yes.
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I'm with you.
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So these folks that I just listed combined for 608 votes in the town of Manchester, all
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votes that likely would have been neatly compiled into the other category.
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This isn't serious behavior that Bev is displaying here.
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If she's someone who has any familiarity with elections, she would know that that's what's
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going on, not that they're secreting away votes for Ron Paul in the other category.
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She's not a sincere actor in this information space.
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She's clearly someone who's an advocate for Ron Paul, pretending to just be, only report
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what I can prove.
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It's nonsense.
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It's nonsense.
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That is pre-Bodie McBoface levels of internet, well, just name shit kind of stuff, though.
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So when you read that list of candidates, it is kind of funny how many of them are real
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people in retrospect, because now if you're looking at top vote getters for non-major
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candidates, it is going to be like fucking Furiosa.
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I think you probably would find a lot of that in the one or two vote getters.
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Right.
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In 2008.
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Now, what's interesting in 2008, though, is there's also a couple people who are listed
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- and they're real people, but I have no idea who they are - so there's some people
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who time has just forgotten.
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Or it's just a guy who is like, you know what, I'm going to get my message out.
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I wish Ron Paul was someone who I looked at the name and thought, who is that?
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But unfortunately, that's not where we live.
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That would be nice.
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So Alex wants Bev to demand the election be thrown out.
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Bev, Bev, but people really respect you, so I need you to specifically say, what is it
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when they admit they gave him zero and it's 31?
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That election is thrown out right there.
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That election is - look, they're always going to say it was an error.
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Guess what?
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When someone embezzles money, they always have a plausible excuse for how this and that
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happened.
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They do not.
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It is not acceptable.
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What is their job?
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Their job on election night, and that is to resolve numbers for, what, 12 candidates?
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That's it.
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Folks, you've got 350-something votes in the town, and 31 of them are for Ron Paul,
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but they can't get that on the paper.
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If Bev thinks that all the town clerk had to do on the night of the primary is that,
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then she's a fucking idiot.
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She's minimizing the amount of responsibilities this person had in order to make it seem like
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there was clearly a conspiracy going on here, as opposed to an understandable administrative
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error.
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Bev has literally zero evidence that there's anything nefarious going on, but that's
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the line that she's going with, because she's not an expert, she's an advocate.
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And Alex has some basic details, Ron.
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He's saying there were 350-something votes in the town when there's actually 971.
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Four hundred twenty-three of them were in the Republican primary, but that town held
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primaries for both parties on the same day.
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Alex is fudging the numbers a little bit to make it look like the clerk had less to do
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that night, and to increase the proportion of votes that Ron Paul got.
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It's sloppy work all around, but I don't expect anything more.
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Right, right, right.
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So, I mean, the problem here, of course, is that even if you are 100% correct, even if
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this percentage total of Alex's, which is closer to 10%, so we'll leave aside the 3%,
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and we'll move it closer to 10%.
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It's not a demographically representative place, but fuck it.
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We'll say it is.
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It's not fraud or anything like that, but fuck it, let's get rid of all anything.
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Ron Paul loses by 100 million fucking votes!
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Okay.
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Just to be clear on that.
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That 31.
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Just to be clear on all of this.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So look, if you missed five votes out of that 31, that's understandable.
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How is that any more or less understandable than 30?
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It's not.
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But Alex says so, and I think he immediately realizes, like, I did it.
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That's stupid, yeah.
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That makes no sense.
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Look, if they missed five out of 31, it could be believable, but all of them bad?
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Right.
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And you have to actually write a circle, a zero, in the spot.
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You know, it's not a plausible, it doesn't matter to me if it's plausible.
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I think we have to get to the point where we stop accepting excuses.
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What about these other towns?
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I guarantee you the other places he got zero, he didn't get zero, and I guarantee you those
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towns where it says 500 and something other, I bet my bottom dollar 80% of that's Ron Paul
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and Barack Obama.
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What do you say, Bev?
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Well, I can't speak to that because I'm conservative and only report exactly what I can prove.
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Oh, for fuck's sake.
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But let me say-
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Stay there.
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We got a break.
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Final segment with Bev Harris.
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She's going to pop back in in the third hour with all the new stuff she's learned.
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This is Armageddon.
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This is Armageddon.
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This is Armageddon.
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This is Armageddon.
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There's an underappreciated thing that I want to point out more, that Alex is a bit dramatic.
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Like yeah, this is Armageddon is such a, like you should be, that's cringey.
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You should be ashamed looking back on that and being like, well, maybe I oversold that
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a little.
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I think, here's what I think, like truly here's what I think people have fucked up, right?
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Sports talk radio is where Alex was meant to be.
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You know, like now we realize that, now people realize that all sports talk radio is filled
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with insane people who say shit like, I bet, and then you know what?
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If you look at his stats, I bet 80% my bottom dollar, you know, that's all it's for.
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Wrestling commentator, maybe.
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Totally.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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That's all that it's for.
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You're not supposed to do that for politics though.
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Yeah, it does.
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It cheapens.
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Yeah.
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So you can hear in that clip the bullshit branding Bev is trying to hide behind this.
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I only say what I can prove nonsense.
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She has no evidence that they wrote in a zero and reporting on this event has been clear
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that what happened was that the slot on that form was just left blank.
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However, it's much more suspicious if someone went out of their way to write a zero.
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So that's what Bev is going with, even though her stated policy of only reporting what you
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can prove.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Also, Alex's theory makes no sense.
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I would argue that it is more suspicious if you leave out five.
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I think it's the polar opposite.
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I mean, any conversation about that always reminds me of the first guy to measure the
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height of Mount Everest, measured it at exactly 20,000 feet and was like, well, I can't do
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that.
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And for a long, long time in textbooks, it was 20,002 feet because that made him look
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so fucking precise.
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Look at how fucking precise I am.
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And that's just like, what are you talking about?
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Removing five votes is going to change.
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What are you talking about?
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Well, at least, you know, at least he would have 26 then.
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No, but I mean, that is your, that's the point.
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The five is the ones that matter.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Well, yeah, and it's so much easier to just be like, except in a mistake of all of them.
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Right.
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And Alex is saying the opposite.
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The complete opposite.
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It's unreasonable to accept a mistake of five if you did that mistake on purpose.
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And I think that the reason is because everything but what happened has to be presented as more
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reasonable than what actually happened because this has to be the most suspicious thing ever.
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And Alex kind of ends up saying stupid shit like that.
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Anyway, Bev was watching CNN and she saw some analysis of this that really freaked her out.
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Okay.
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I was watching the CNN coverage last night and I was shocked and let me tell you, it's
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hard to shock me, but there was a person with a huge pie wedge in the pie slice graph.
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And sometimes he was beating Giuliani two to one in the pie slice.
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And it was the, it was the, they had the names of everybody except this person was the gray
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unnamed person.
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And that was Paul.
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What?
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What the heck was that?
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That's because the computers were coming in with the computers were coming in with the
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real info and they had to take his name off early on.
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He was beating Giuliani.
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Well, and they have this Republican rights, so they had to be different shades of red
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and then they just have a gray, huge pie slice that they kept taking the camera off when
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it got bigger without a name on it.
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It's not even red.
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I mean, it was, it was, and it wasn't just for a minute, this was on, this was for like
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an hour.
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How in the world do you justify not naming a person in the pie slice when everyone else
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has a name and having it a different color?
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It was the most blatant thing I've, I mean, it was just so visual.
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It was, it was really one of those things that just makes you sick.
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You just go, I don't care what candidate it is.
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Every candidate deserves to have his name in the same situation as every other candidate.
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Especially when he's beating, he's beating Giuliani, but they're showing his name now.
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Now that was where they had a chance to rig it.
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Sure.
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So I wasn't able to find this CNN coverage itself, so I can't speak to this, but I would
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assume that maybe the pie slice that was gray was votes that are yet to come in or something
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like that.
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There's something that explains this, that Bev is either missing or intentionally misleading
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about.
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But this is, this is also where you really got to, you've got to squint and recognize
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that they're arguing about him beating Giuliani and Giuliani.
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Not in the race.
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No, he was.
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No, he was in the race.
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He was not the front runner.
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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You had McCain and Romney who were the ones who were relevant and Alex is insisting that
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they must have gone through this elaborate of a conspiracy to keep Ron Paul out of third
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place.
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It's just, I don't fucking know, man.
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Yeah.
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They did the same thing to Ben Carson.
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He was gonna, he was gonna get third or whatever it was.
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He got Pauled.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So Alex lays out the talking points here of the, you know, what the storyline is.
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Sure.
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Look, I want to make it clear for new listeners.
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We just proved that they gave him zero in a town where he had 31 and that's what they're
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saying.
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And there's all these other towns that show zero or 500 plus here, 200 plus there.
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Where, and sometimes we're talking about, that would make Paul a majority.
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We need to know who that other is.
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This election all needs to be thrown out, put on hold now.
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I do not want to see, you know, this be a replay of Bush in 2000, Bev, where Gore sits
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out or Kerry 2004.
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We can't have Ron Paul sit out.
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I mean, it'd be one thing if we think there's fraud and he showed double in the polls what
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he actually got.
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It's another thing when we've caught him red handed or when we catch him with convicted
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traffickers running things.
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Right.
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What?
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Right?
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What?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I feel like Bev has, like, how would I put it?
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Okay.
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Can you imagine watching the Wizard of Oz?
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I have.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Now imagine watching the Wizard of Oz and then Dorothy sees the wizard and goes, ah!
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And then just runs away.
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End of movie.
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You know, like, it is so much like, oh, oh, listen, let me pull the curtain back.
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It's fine.
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It's TV.
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I understand.
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It looks like it makes sense.
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But if you go there and you watch it, you go, oh, no, these people are, oh, I got it.
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Yeah.
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Like, it is so much like you just don't understand.
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You're just, it's so close to you though.
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You're like right up, you say hi to the wizard and then you run away instead of like pulling
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the curtain back.
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Well, and you're intentionally misleading about the wizard.
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Well, I mean, after you met the wizard.
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Blurring details about the wizard.
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After you met the wizard.
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Making shit up about the wizard's plans.
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You saw that he was scary, so you ran away, but then later on you were like, man, he wasn't
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that scary.
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So you gotta make it bigger when you tell other people, otherwise they're gonna think
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you're an idiot for just running away.
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We've made up a story about what happened in this town, and now we're saying that it
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happened everywhere, and it was done by a cocaine trafficker.
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Yeah.
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So we've got, we've got quite a narrative that's been built up.
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It's escalated pretty quick.
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Now my argument is that there was an administrative error that happened in this town in a very
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limited sense, and it was corrected immediately.
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She forgot to write down 31.
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But this could not possibly have been human error.
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What did this city clerk, the township clerk, what did she say to you when you said how
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did this happen?
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She said, it was human error.
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I'm sorry, human error doesn't cut it.
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You can say human error about anything.
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And it just so happened to be Ron Paul.
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And 31, don't they even like add up the number of, actually in New Hampshire they require
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that they do what's called a reconciliation plan.
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Is that true?
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On that form they have to say how many people showed up, and how many votes showed up.
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It's easier than balancing.
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If you're paying one off, why don't you do something?
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It's easier than balancing your checkbook.
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Oh, it's not, this is basic arithmetic, and it's basically we had 350 people walk in the
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door to vote, and we had this many votes show up, there's a, there's no excuse for this
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kind of stuff, and the question then becomes how many other places?
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How many other places?
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This is what someone who can only, only reports what they can prove would be talking like.
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This is someone who's real, just by the books, very serious and careful.
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I think that this, she actually brings up a good point, and that there probably are
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pretty good internal mechanisms in terms of balancing vote counts, and that would be what
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is sent to the official numbers.
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There may not be these Byzantine double check things in numbers that get sent to the media.
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They might just make a copy of the forms and whatever, and send it off to the media to
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report on.
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It's more about speed than it is about accuracy to the media.
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Right.
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Which to me is even more of an indication that it probably was just these numbers that
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got sent to the media, and they're pretending like it was an actual vote theft or whatever.
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That's just, I don't know.
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It's dirty.
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I mean, you know, like part of my argument so much often comes down to like, I understand
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all the reasons that it's not true, but follow me on the path to it is true.
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Are you telling me these all powerful people stole 31 votes from Sutton?
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What are they doing?
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Right.
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What are they doing on the daily?
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Like how do you have time to destroy the world and get to Sutton?
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And they had to then cover their tracks and make the recount appear that they didn't steal
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anything from anywhere else, or they only stole from Sutton.
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Believing any of this is real creates a whole bunch of really bizarre avenues.
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Really like the ultimate argument so often for people should really come down to like,
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people are more likely to take the path of least resistance.
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And the more power you have, the more people love giving you the path of least resistance.
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The more you get gift bags just for showing up places.
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You know, like everything about the more power you have should be more about how people go.
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I'm going to do less work.
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I'm not going to do this insane thing like go to Sutton.
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Broke people go to Sutton.
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People trying to build shit go to Sutton.
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Or people like Alex and Bev go there to exploit a mistake that was made.
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The type of person who's trying to get national attention for a thing that doesn't normally
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get national attention.
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Right.
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So you, and you're talking about the people with power, you're talking about the imagined
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globalists.
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Yes, the imagined globalists.
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They are the, they would, it makes, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I appreciate trying to bring some thought into it, but it's just, you know, in the real
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world, her ideas aren't persuasive.
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No.
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They are not, they fall apart whether you look at it from a critical lens or if you
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look at it from the why would the globalists do this lens, no matter what.
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But she's always so specific when she says, she only says things that she can verify.
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Right.
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It's a good brand.
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But look, I find her argument un-persuasive, but there's another reason why I'm probably
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saying what I'm saying.
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Okay.
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Oh, that sounds great.
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I mean, we just have a mafia running things and it's time for the public to come to grips
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with this, Bev.
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Yeah.
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I think what the biggest thing I see is it's just a scary concept that a lot of people
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reject it outright and just go, I can't think about that.
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You know, they just feel like, because you know what, it's a one way road, Alex, once
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you see it, you never turn back.
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You know, nothing ever fools you again.
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Now, now some people will say, well then why vote?
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We have to engage this process and watch it so we can expose it.
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Look, in five years, the majority of Americans in major polls, 85 plus percent believe there's
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fraud now by the government and by the corporations.
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Well, soon it's going to be 99% and soon we're going to go arrest all these people.
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Man, it sounds just like the present day there, you know, everyone's waking up.
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That one's real.
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Yeah.
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Everyone's waking up and soon just a few more people, once they wake up, it'll be game over
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for the globalists and the Patriots can arrest these crooks.
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It's always the same story.
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We're always almost there.
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We're winning and losing simultaneously.
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It's a, yeah, just right around the corner, right around the corner.
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All we need to do is get my show out to more people and that will wake up more people to
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the point where we get to the amount of people woken up that we need in order to defeat the
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devil.
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You know, the more I think about it, the more I am, I prefer the globalists who steal votes
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from Sutton to run the things then, then all of the stuff we have now, because here's the,
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it's such a personal touch, you know, like they're going to be here there, you know,
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they're sending some ass, like some flunky, I disagree.
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In the real world, there's a, there's a, there's a Biden surrogate going to steal votes, but
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in this world it's the globalists themselves.
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See I like it.
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I disagree with liking this because it leads me to believe that we have fully incompetent
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globalists that are in charge.
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Because if anyone wanted to steal shit, you'd have to have like three or four votes there.
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So anybody who was like, I voted for them, you, you could, you wouldn't be able to disparate.
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If you have zero, then all you have to have is one person who says I voted for them and
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the whole thing falls apart.
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If you're stealing it, you got to have a couple of votes.
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And we just, it's just like, we know how people steal these elections with like the dictators
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and shit.
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You win like 95% and then you publicly murder the guy who ran against you.
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No, no, no, no.
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31 votes in a tiny town in New Hampshire.
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Somebody else did it.
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No idea.
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Yeah.
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So Bev, uh, takes her leave and Alex, uh, uh, waste some time and then gets to some
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calls.
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Sure.
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And we get a familiar, uh, face and friend, uh, call in to chime in.
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All right.
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Well, let's go to Charles, Louisiana then Jason Charles, you're on the air, my friend.
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Go ahead.
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Ms. Jones.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
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I'd like to know something.
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You know, I always agree with you and everything, but I'm starting to wonder about Ron Paul
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not making a gripe.
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Why ain't he really getting more forceful about this?
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People's got faith in him.
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He needs to start griping about this a lot more.
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I'll bring this to the fourth.
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Well, I mean the New Hampshire has only been over for 12 hours, so they're, they're studying
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it.
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They gotta be careful.
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They gotta analyze.
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Oh, gentlemen, the gentleman from Louisiana, Charles, he's a worried that Ron Paul is not
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aggressive enough.
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I think all conspiracies sound more believable with a Cajun accent.
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Yep.
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They're more palatable.
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Yeah.
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It's a fun accent.
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Why did he do that?
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I don't know, man.
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I don't know.
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Tell me more.
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I'm worried.
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I'm worried he's not making a grade.
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Me too now.
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I don't know why, but me too.
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So Alex, one of the things that you always see when he's developing a narrative more
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or less in real time is you'll see constant repetition of the thing in order to beat out
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the little touch points along the way.
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And so here is another one of these.
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Ron Paul openly at every level was cheated in New Hampshire, not just his poll numbers
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being double what he actually got, not just that he got in dozens of township zero votes,
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not just that they show 500, 600, 200, 300 uncounted votes or other, not just that they
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took his name off the pie chart on CNN.
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We have a major township saying that he got zero votes.
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Witnesses came forward and said we voted for him and they said, okay, there are a bunch
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of votes for him.
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Caught red handed.
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It just went up on prisonplanet.com right now.
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So there's some points here.
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Ron Paul's poll numbers were artificially high because Alex is going off things like
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online polling, which severely exaggerated Paul's real world popularity.
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He was very popular with people who were too online in 2008, but that didn't translate
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to actual voters.
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Pretty much across the board, you are going to see him fall well short of that polling,
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which isn't proof of him being screwed.
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It's really more a warning about putting too much stock in polls, particularly the online
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ones.
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Also, Paul getting zero votes in some towns is not evidence that he got screwed.
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This town, Sutton, is in Merrimack County, and in that county, there are a bunch of towns
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where Alan Keyes got zero votes.
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Does that mean he was screwed?
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Even Giuliani and Huckabee had towns where they got zero votes, but none of that's indicative
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of votes being stolen.
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That 500 votes that Bev brought up weren't uncounted votes.
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They were just for candidates who were below the threshold of whatever the outlet she was
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looking at chose to report.
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Alex is pretending they're just mystery votes that probably all say Ron Paul, which is,
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you know, they're just refusing to count them.
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That's a complete fiction.
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There's no evidence that slice of the pie chart that Bev brought up was actually Ron
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Paul.
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Alex has decided that it is because that works for him, but there's no basis for this.
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And God bless it, but Sutton is not a major township.
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It's a small town, and they made an administrative error reporting the results to the media.
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You can see the difference between the way Alex reports this story and the actual details
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of what happened.
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He fudges every bit of information he can, so it'll fit the predetermined narrative,
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which is that the globalists screwed Ron Paul, and they caught him red-handed.
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It's as flimsy as a narrative can get, and the real tragedy is that in order to sell
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this to the audience, you need to demonize innocent bystanders like Jennifer Call, and
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that's just the cost of doing business for Alex.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it is like when you work it out, it's like a problem of stakes and of access.
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If there was just a way to contain the damage, you know?
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Because there's a certain amount of this that is like, people are going to gravitate this
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to this type of thing for fun.
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Alex's content.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Even if they aren't obsessed with it, and the number of people who gravitate to it,
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whether or not they're there for fun or for dastardly deeds, the larger the number, the
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more power the thing has.
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The people who are there for fun are contributing to that.
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It's unfortunate, but that's the case.
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In theory, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But if we could just get a safe place, if we could get a playground for it, if we could
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get a football, instead of fighting shitty battles, people play football.
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We could get one of those for this.
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I understand that.
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You know?
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I think that, okay, let's say you can listen to Alex but then you don't get to have a phone
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so you can't harass people.
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Right.
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I mean, that's trouble.
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You can't pull that off.
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That one's trouble.
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That one's going to be tough.
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And then you can't have like, okay, you can do this, but you're not allowed to call people.
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Totally.
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Because then you're like, okay, that's a conspiracy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's no way to-
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I'm supposed to call these people because I need to confront them about the fact that
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they're involved in a conspiracy.
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Right, right, right.
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There is no way for this to exist in a safe bubble, unfortunately, but I understand what
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you're saying.
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I think it would be, there is a harm reduction impetus that you want and there's no way to
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do it.
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Well, it's because I think we all now spend so much time, and you have to be aware that
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you're spending time visiting non-reality.
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We're all spending so much time visiting it through whatever medium we choose to, and
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this is one of them that I don't want to be like, oh, well, you can't go to non-reality
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like that.
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That's bullshit.
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Every time you're like, you can't bring non-reality here, man, that's not where it's supposed
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to go.
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This non-reality, when it intersects with reality-reality, often leads to people getting hurt.
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It does.
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And that is unfortunate.
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Yeah, we got to find a way to-
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In a way that a lot of other unreality doesn't, like video games or reality TV or whatever.
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Yep.
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So Alex has a guest that he was going to talk to for longer on this episode, but he got
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bumped because of the-
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Because of the excitement of 31 votes being missing from Sutton.
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Right.
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This is Armageddon.
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So this person gets a short shrift.
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Yes, it is.
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Yep.
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Now, before we go to our guest, who is a Vietnam vet himself, he was acting medic there when
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their medic got killed in Vietnam, had a lot of experience there, you know, I know a lot
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of middle-class people, I even know quite a few wealthy people, and all the time I hear
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about their sister, their brother, their cousin, or them, their child falls off a jungle gym
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in front of 20 witnesses, breaks a finger, falls out of the tree, falls out of the jungle
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gym in the backyard, or the playhouse, breaks a toe, breaks a foot.
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My mother broke her arm, I broke bones falling out of trees.
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My mother would have been CPS back in the 50s, gone forever.
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And I talked to them, I mean, folks here in Austin, your child bruises their eye, your
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child, they come to school, fall off their skateboard when they're 10, CPS is coming.
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Your child tells them I fell off my skateboard, they don't care.
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When I dislocated my shoulder when I was like 12, wrestling in a pool, you know, chicken
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fighting on somebody's shoulders, my dad is a dentist, oral surgeon, he said, I'm taking
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you into Mesquite to go to the hospital, now they're going to ask you how this happened,
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be very careful and tell them that I didn't do this, and I thought, why are you telling
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me that?
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Just give me the hospital.
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Sure enough, doctor comes in, did your parents do this to you?
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And I said, no, it happened in a pool, how did it happen?
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It's a secret police nation of scum.
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That's a deeply upsetting story about Alex's dad.
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Yeah, I don't want to hear that again.
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No.
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No.
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I broke my arm when I was a kid and my parents were just worried if I was okay, not about
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what I would tell the doctor.
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It seems like a really messed up thing to do to a kid to say that, and it does not make
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Alex's dad look good.
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No, it kind of, it kind of explains things moving from that moment forward and then from
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this moment backward.
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Yeah, it's just weird, it's just very weird headspace.
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But yeah, I've broken so many bones through so many different avenues and at no point
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in time were my parents ever concerned.
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Don't bring me into this.
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Yeah, it was always like, I mean, at the worst it was like, oh Jesus, who knows if this doctor's
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any good?
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You know, like that was about as bad as it got.
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Or this is going to be expensive.
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Yeah, this is going to be expensive was number one about everything.
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You can tell that this guest is going to be an issue around one of these topics.
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As it turns out, it's a guy named Tom Shefflet, who had his kid taken, but then returned almost
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immediately after they took him to the hospital.
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Oh, for God's sakes.
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I'm going to shut up now and go to our guest, but his son was hanging on his sister's car.
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She drove into the, I did the exact same type of things with cousins and people.
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Got a little bruise, GPS comes, and they SWAT team them, everything else.
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Here to break this down, this is out of Newcastle, Colorado, is the father, Tom Shefflet.
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And Tom, thanks for coming on with us, sir.
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You're welcome.
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So this is a situation where Tom's 11 year old son fell after grabbing the handle of
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a moving car and hit his head pretty good.
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Someone in the mobile home park where they lived called an ambulance and Tom was resistant
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to their wishes to check the child out.
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Sure.
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Tom was a medic in the Vietnam war after all.
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So his position was that he could be his doctor, the son's doctor, just fine.
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His unwillingness to allow the paramedics to check on his son prompted the department
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of social services to do a wellness check because not letting them examine his son could
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be a red flag for abuse.
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It makes total sense why they could interpret things this way.
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It would almost be negligent not to check.
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The social services people were able to briefly examine the child, but when they wanted to
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take him to the hospital to get checked out, Tom refused.
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There were real concerns here.
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This kid hit his head.
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There could be serious trauma that absolutely can't be handled in a home hospital situation.
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Yeah.
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And here's where things got a little bit out of hand.
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Having received a court order, the police all hazards response team showed up and took
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the child into the hospital for testing against the parent's wishes.
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That level of forcefulness is a bit much, but you can also understand their reasoning.
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If this kid did have brain trauma from the fall and Tom was refusing to get him help,
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that's negligent abuse.
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Ultimately, they ran tests and found out that the kid was okay, just needed painkillers
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and an ice pack.
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In the end, that's the best possible outcome, but unfortunately it also makes the fact that
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they did this whole raid thing in order to get the kid help seem pointless.
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Without getting the kid checked, there was no way to know if it was okay to assume that
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the kid was going to be okay and just needed home care.
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It's pretty easy to understand the state's motivation here, but I will grant that it
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doesn't seem like it was handled the best way it possibly could have.
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From the police side, they said that they told him, they informed him that they had
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like a warrant and a court order for the kid to go to the hospital and he ignored it.
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He says that they never told him that they had that, but I don't know, this guy seems
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like an asshole.
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So I'm not sure I believe his side.
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It is a mess and I don't know all the specifics about this situation, but at the end of the
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day, the kid was returned after being checked out at the hospital and it's not like there
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was more harm done necessarily.
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So Tom, he has a bit of a demand for lawmakers.
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I was told that if I did this interview, I could have a certain few minutes here.
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I want to challenge the presidential nominees, all of them.
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If they don't hear this and if their aides and their committees don't pick up this, that's
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their fault, but I want to challenge them.
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Whoever becomes president, whoever becomes president of this nation to represent this
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people and to protect this country, I want them to stand on my door, shaking my hand,
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telling me that I am going to do everything I can to redress laws that do not protect
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you.
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And then I'm going to be waiting for that person, that president.
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I'm going to be waiting for them to do that and I want them to know that all America is
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going to be watching.
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Well, I'll tell you this, we're going to have to do it ourselves, sir.
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We're going to have to expose it and a lot of these social workers are bad.
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You guys are the ones that vote for the president, so do it yourself.
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Wait, what?
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That's what we're talking about, sir.
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There is no election now.
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The thing is, nobody's helped me yet.
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Nobody's helped me yet.
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It's all staged, sir.
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It's all staged.
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But listen, I'm just trying here with you to expose it.
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It's the exposure that has the effect, and the point is...
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It's unexposed.
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Yeah.
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So you kind of get the sense there that maybe Tom's a bit of an asshole.
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Yeah.
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Also, in the interview, he said that he was previously arrested for assault with a deadly
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weapon, which may have something to do with the police response.
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Why?
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I don't know.
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But what Alex says there is telling.
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He's condescending to this guy about how the presidential election is all staged.
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Alex enters his coverage of the election with that conclusion firmly in mind, so obviously
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everything he finds is going to be evidence of that staging.
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The situation in New Hampshire can't just be an error, because that doesn't comport
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with the overarching storyline, which is that everything is staged.
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The narrative is set from the jump.
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Everything is staged except what Ron Paul does.
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Ron Paul is the most popular candidate, and that scares the globalists, so all the staging
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will be done to impede his otherwise inevitable win.
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All news is filtered through that lens, and that's how we end up getting here.
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Yeah.
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So this guy is not on for very long, but after he leaves, we get another reframing of the
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Sutton story, and you can see sort of the tweaks that are going along as Alex builds
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the narrative.
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We get contacted by great listeners at ronpaulwarren.com.
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They tell us, hey, the family voted, and then it showed zero.
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We went and noticed last night and this morning, all these towns, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero,
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zero, zero.
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You'd have 500 votes, 300 votes, 400 votes, thousands of votes, 3,000 votes.
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It'd show 500 other.
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Wouldn't say who it was.
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Definitely Paul and Obama.
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200 other, 400 other, 600 other, 200 other, 100 other, 50 other.
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Daylight come and do both.
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And the first town we called, Bev Harris called right before airtime.
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The first town she calls, they say, oh yeah, that was a mistake.
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He got 31.
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We're going to change that.
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And then all the maps that suddenly changes.
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What about the other towns?
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So there's some very important tweaks that Alex has made to this story as he works on
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it, in preparation to take some more calls.
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The first is incorporating the idea that Bev brought up about the votes listed as other.
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She gave an infantile misrepresentation of that.
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And now Alex has woven it into his review of all these towns in New Hampshire.
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All these places with all these votes for other.
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Those are definitely Ron Paul in the GOP primary and Obama in the Democrat one.
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Obama, he doesn't really actually like or anything.
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He's just, it's sort of the, it's the cudgel that he uses from the other side.
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January 2008 is a great time for a racist to call everybody else racist.
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It was the best.
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I don't think that's the case for Alex.
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I think he just hates Hillary.
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Oh no, no, I know, but I mean, that's what, that's kind of what I'm saying is like that
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because you can be like, oh yeah, I hate Hillary so much.
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I can passively come off as supporting a black candidate for president.
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I'm amazing.
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Sure.
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I'm the least racist person ever.
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So the second misrepresentation in there is that Sutton was the first town that Bev called.
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It's not so much it's due as the first.
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It's just that it's the only town they called because it's the only one where this error
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happened.
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And you notice that there isn't a second town that's been contacted where Paul got screwed,
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which should be so easy to find if what Alex is saying is true.
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That's because all of this, everything that Bev and Alex are doing in this episode is
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in service of turning this very small administrative error into proof of statewide and honestly
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national voter fraud meant to take out Ron Paul.
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It's a desperate charade and the evidence they're presenting is weak.
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It is weak.
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That's why you need to keep building on other layers of this conspiracy, other side support.
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So let's say we've got Sutton had 900 total votes on something like that, right?
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So adult population wise, let's call it a town of 3000.
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Let's just do that.
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It's about 2000.
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Whatever.
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Let's do that.
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So if we spread that out, total population of the United States call every town roughly
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that divide by the number of people, there should be several hundred thousand towns where
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you can find 31 votes missing.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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As you shouldn't be hard.
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Oh yeah.
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But I mean, look, sure, but the New Hampshire primary is the only one that's happened other
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than the Iowa caucus.
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So at this point you only have that state, but there are plenty of places that Alex has
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said that there were zero votes for Ron Paul.
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So all of those, you should be able to, by this point, Bev's been off the air for a while.
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She should have dug up another one.
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Wow.
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But even then New Hampshire is even, okay, so fine.
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New Hampshire is a small state, but there's 31 votes is a small number of votes compared
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to a large state, you know, state, even a small one.
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Let's be also clear.
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Yeah.
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You don't even need to find 31.
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You need to find one.
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And Alex hasn't done that.
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That is true.
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So here we are.
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Well, I mean, you know, you could find five or seven that almost be less suspicious.
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Totally.
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So, uh, Alex, I found this very strange.
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He starts covering a news story, but it's an InfoWars article about the interview he
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did earlier in this episode.
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With Bev.
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Yes.
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Vote fraud expert Bev Harris contacted the head clerk in Sutton, Jennifer Call, who was
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forced to admit that they had reported zero.
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See, they did report zero.
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We need to add that, by the way, who was forced to admit that 31 votes for Ron Paul were completely
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omitted from the final report sheet claiming human error was responsible for the mistake.
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And it was all over the state, too, wasn't it?
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Was it?
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I mean, you get 25% in a few areas, 30% in a few.
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That's where they didn't have the fix in.
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Two or three votes not counted could be a plausible mistake, but 31 votes for one candidate
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and showing zero?
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The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form Harris
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told Alex Jones Show.
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They are continuing everything, they're counting everything in public real nice.
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But fill out a form in public real nice, and then they transfer it to another form, and
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they call that a summary sheet, and then that is the one they send in.
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So you have it showing 31 votes, and I don't believe that, it was probably, probably 50%.
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And then magically it's, oh, magically it's zero.
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Explained Harris.
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Hey, dude, we heard it.
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It was earlier on this show.
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What are you doing?
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Those quotes from Bev are from this episode.
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It's fucking...
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It's almost like you're high, you know?
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That is classic.
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I'm hallucinating.
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Like, straight up, this stack is small, make some copies.
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All right?
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Like, okay.
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Well, here's what we've got for proof.
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We've got very little.
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We've got a recording of this conversation.
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No, no, no, no, you're wrong.
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We have a recording and a transcript of that recording.
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We have two things.
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Uh-huh.
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Now, you say there's only one thing, but you have mistaken that because now we have a recording
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and a transcript.
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Well, that's two things.
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We're talking about it.
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That's three things.
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That's a secondhand source.
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Holy shit.
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You remember this.
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See, look at us.
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We've got so much evidence.
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I am buried in evidence here.
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A preponderance of evidence, if you will.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I understand.
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That's how we got to the Iraq war.
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That's honestly exactly the motivation behind what Alex is doing.
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Creating the appearance of this large amount of evidence when there's nothing.
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There's nothing happening here.
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You're full of shit.
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So I think that maybe there are some Ron Paul supporters who think Alex is an asshole.
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And I think that some of them rightly think that he gives Ron Paul a bad name.
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Now, Ron Paul also gives himself a bad name.
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He's doing a Lord's job.
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But Alex still makes him look crazy.
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And I think that Alex is not appreciative that some of these websites say that he's
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a little much.
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Oh, yeah?
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By the way, folks, I get emails from people thinking I'm arrogant or Daily Paul has big
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discussions about am I arrogant?
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I'm upset.
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I'm in like pick up chairs and throw them through window mode.
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I take it real serious when criminals are stealing our elections.
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And you hear me get up there and you think I'm putting on a macho man Randy Savage act.
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This is how I actually feel.
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Okay?
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Okay?
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I'm mad.
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Okay?
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You should be mad too.
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Yeah.
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Hear me, Daily Paul?
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I think what is funny about that is that's one of the few times that Alex has said something
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that I've directly like, yeah, I know how you feel, buddy.
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When people are like, you should calm down.
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It's like, hey, listen, Alex is full of shit.
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Unfortunately, this is who I am.
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I am so sorry.
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I apologize to all of you.
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I disagree though, because I think that you actually are what you are, whereas Alex is
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obviously putting on an act.
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Right.
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He's putting on bullshit.
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And so often I'm just like, God, guys, you are way last.
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You're way behind in the line for wishing I was different.
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Don't you worry about that.
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Right.
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We're missing the forest for the trees here though.
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And that is that Ron Paul, Daily Paul, they're talking shit about Alex saying he's irrational
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of putting one on.
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And I was surprised by this because you think that Alex has Ron Paul on the show pretty
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consistently.
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They're pretty connected.
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Alex even started stanning his son.
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So like you forget that there's probably some division in the ranks.
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There is this part of the Ron Paul base that's like, Alex sucks.
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And this is what makes Alex really mad.
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And so when he comes back from break, he descends into a bit of a tirade.
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You got mob bosses, like literally his dad and his uncle, both mob bosses, time for armed
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robbery made men, Giuliani, Trump's lawyer boss is running for president.
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Now we are ruled by scum.
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And I am, do you understand how dangerous this is?
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The people running things are the grandsons and sons of people that kill 200 mill.
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They don't play games.
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They're coming for you and your family.
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Oh, Alex gets a little extreme.
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He gets a little upset.
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He goes, what are we supposed to do?
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It's the fact that we're not upset that this stuff hadn't changed.
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I am getting mad.
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Hold on.
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I just started thinking about it.
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They're all mob bosses or coke dealers or Chinese generals or espionage or deputy directors
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of the CIA.
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And they're poisoning us and going after our guns and grabbing our kids and just having
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their way with us.
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You got this cowardly chicken neck public trained to just go along with all of it.
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And then you got Ron Paul all over New Hampshire.
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It was last night.
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It was zero, zero, zero, zero, zero.
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And I looked at thousands of votes, hundreds of votes in each town.
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Zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero.
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For Ron Paul, that ain't happening.
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That's bull.
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Period.
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It means we're in a dictatorship if they get away with this.
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A dictatorship of a bunch of arrogant criminals that need to be defeated.
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You understand it's either us or them.
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You understand with the historical paradigm that if they continue to grow and they continue
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to expand their operation, it's going to get really bad.
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My back's against the wall.
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I just happen to know it.
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You haven't figured it out yet.
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And I pray every day you'll figure out that your back is against the wall.
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These criminals have gotten high tech.
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They're building high tech control grids all around us to micromanage us and control us
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because they got such bad stuff planned for us.
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They know we're going to go absolutely ape.
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We got to go ape before they're done putting the grid in.
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I'm not risking my life to play tiddlywinks.
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I'm not on this show to play games with you.
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Do you understand me?
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It is a, it's going to be okay, but no, he's not, he's not the Ron Paul, the daily Paul
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has said he's too much and he must demonstrate that I am not too much by being too much.
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So that's the kind of 2008 level freak out though.
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It's interesting because he almost goes into like breathing exercises instead of storming
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offset or swearing or anything.
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He just, he's like the Hulk trying to soothe himself.
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There is a level of like, you, you did actually make yourself mad, but you don't realize that
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it's not because of the globalists.
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It's because somebody was mean to you.
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At least you think they were.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Whatever it is, it's you.
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It's in your head and you're making your own problems.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, um, Alex keeps ranting a little bit after he catches his breath and he descends into
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a little bit of fantasies of violence about the chicken hex.
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Yeah.
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That's nice.
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And then there's breaking news.
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When Ron Paul loses and gets cheated that we lose, we're showing everybody the fraud.
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We're educating everybody.
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We're growing our movement, chicken necks, and we're that much closer to getting our
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hands around your throat.
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You understand me?
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Because there's some of us that love life and are willing to fight for it.
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And there's some of us that haven't been domesticated and there's some of us that knew an enemy,
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an enemy, somebody who's out to get you folks.
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And there's a lot of people out to get us and I take this deadly serious.
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That's why I get so mad.
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It's very real for me.
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And even if you don't know how real it is, it's still real.
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Just like you don't know a bus is coming 60 miles an hour down the road, but nevertheless
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it's coming.
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Why don't you turn around and see it coming so you can step out of the way?
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New developments.
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What is going on here?
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9.11, 9.11, 9.11, three counties.
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He got 9.11 in three counties.
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They throw it in our face, don't they?
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I'm sorry.
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What?
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Those little numeral, they love.
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Hold on.
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Numerology.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Are you telling me that somebody is saying that he got 9.11 votes in three counties?
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9.11% of the vote.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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In three of the towns of 200 something towns.
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Oh, for God's sakes.
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All right.
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Now here's what's great.
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All of you be gone.
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Here's what's great about this clip is that it also included Alex saying, I take this
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deadly serious.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Oh my God.
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They're throwing it in our face with these numbers.
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I mean, the man, the man just hears 9.11, 9.11, 9.11.
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You know, it's just, it's, it's, it makes you sad.
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It makes you sad how obvious they are, you know?
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They're laughing at you.
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It's in your face.
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It's like, they make me feel so small and they are real.
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It's definitely not in my own head.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there are probably places you got 6.9% for 20% right.
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Definitely some of those 3.11 just to make Alex mad.
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Cause he hates 3.11.
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3.11.
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Hey.
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Um, I agree with him.
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7.11.
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That's promotional.
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That was paid for by 7.11.
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Well that's actually, that's actually a reference to a Zach Galifianakis joke about a terrorists
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who yeah, they mistook the, see, they mixed up their nines and their sevens.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, Bev does come back and it's uneventful.
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She doesn't have anything else.
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She doesn't have any breaking news that she got from fucking Sutton to Sutton to Furious.
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There is no second Sutton.
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Um, and really the rest of anything is just kind of like a repetition of these themes
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that have already been developed.
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So you may as well just jump off here.
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It's as good a point as any to leave as the, the 9.11 numerology votes.
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I appreciate that not only did they, uh, do a thing, then write a thing about the thing,
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then read the thing on the air about the thing that they did.
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That is pretty remarkable.
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That's speed.
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I'll give them that.
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But then to have Bev back on to redo the thing that they already did, that they rewrote,
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that then they talked about on the thing, that then they talked about again on the thing.
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Well here's, here's where it's a little bit less impressive.
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Okay.
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Because Alex Watson wrote that article.
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So like it was somebody else, it was a third party who works for them.
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Well I imagine Alex wasn't typing.
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I would like to see that.
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That would be...
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I would like Alex during the breaks to be tep-tep-teping on the keyboard.
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Infinitely more respect from me.
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Infinitely more respect if he's writing articles in five minutes in between the breaks.
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Yeah.
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So, um, you know, I was doing the show preps and I think you can probably agree this wouldn't
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have been the best as a live episode, but it is something that I didn't want to get
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lost in the shuffle.
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No, I agree.
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There is, there is something really remarkable about the, how little evidence Alex requires
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to write a grand story about voter fraud.
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And it's been that way for a long time.
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Like the 2020 election is no anomaly for him.
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No.
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It's just that everyone else is taking this more seriously and the candidate is unhinged
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enough to play into all of these conspiracies and cater to that community.
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So we're, we're left in a far more precarious situation.
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If Ron Paul, well, there's a lot of ifs there.
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If Ron Paul had the level of support that Trump has and played along with Alex's games
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and these kinds of voter fraud things, we might've been in a much different situation
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earlier on in the country.
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I think one of the most interesting things about Alex on today's episode is that he said
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something that contradicts everything he said, which is like, we have to deal with this now,
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you know, before, cause he's, we're, we're so often obsessed with like, when does the
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shooting start?
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You know, he gets those calls all the time now.
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When does the shooting start?
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And Alex has inadvertently revealed something that is true, which is that if anything, if
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any of what he said is true, then you should go ape before shit starts going off because
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once shit starts going off, it's too late.
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Well, I mean, it's the entire premise of the idea of the prison planet is the reason you
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don't want a one world government is cause there's nowhere else to go then.
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You got it.
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So you have to destroy the one world government before it happens and you end up in a prison
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planet where you can't stop it.
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And yeah, I mean that, that is underneath all of Alex's rhetoric, but the conclusion
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that you draw from it, this idea that like you got to start shooting before it's too
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late is an unfortunate parallel is underneath what Alex is talking about, but it's, it's
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the part of it that you never talk about.
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Right.
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And that is what Alex realistically, what Alex should be doing if you're Alex trying
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to believe what you believe and still exist in reality is be like, guys, if we behave
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extreme now before violence kicks off, if we don't be violent and if, but we still do
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the stuff, you know, then we can not be violent.
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If we react strong and handle the problem now before it gets out of control, then we
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don't have to do violence.
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Instead, he's just like, hey, listen, they're gonna get us to the point where we get to
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do some violence.
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So let's just hang back sooner or later.
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Somebody will pull the trigger and then we get to go wipe shit.
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Well, I think that's what a lot of people in the audience are probably subconsciously
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or consciously drawn towards.
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And that's what Trump is.
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Trump is the, Hey, now we get to shoot, you know, that's the idea.
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Maybe hopefully not.
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So you know, you get this glimpse here that there's a consistency in terms of this.
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My person is more popular and the only reason that reality doesn't reflect that is because
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someone's stealing it and they're cheating and rigging.
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So anyway, we'll be back for another episode.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgeride.com.
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Yeah.
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We're also on Blue Sky.
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It's knowledge fights.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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When I get to this point, I always realized that there's something that I could have done.
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And in this point I could have found what the number one song on the billboard charts
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was on this day in history and then boop, boop, booped it, but I didn't do that.
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Maybe next time.
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And now here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
