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Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledgefight.com
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I love you.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I'd like to sit around
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worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about
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Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are
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Dan. This is Jordan. Dan. Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you sir. What's your bright spot
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today? My bright spot today Jordan is the fog.
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The fog.
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Wait by Stephen King? No. The literal fog
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that is outside. Oh yes. There's quite a bit of it.
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We had a crazy foggy day in
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Chicago last night as well.
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Yep. I like it.
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I like the vibe. It's so ominous.
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I mean you're
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not to spoil sports
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or spoil too much information
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but you're in a much higher floor
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than I think I've ever been. Sure.
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You know what I'm saying? So not like in my life. Well it's not crazy
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high. Yeah not in my fucking life.
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You know what I mean? I don't live in a ridiculous
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high rise or something like that. Right right right.
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I'm used to second, third at
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max. That kind of thing. I'm a little above that.
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Yeah yeah and so now we're in
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the fog slash cloud part of the
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fog. Yeah you can kind of
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feel like you're a part of it. Yeah.
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And it's thick. It's a thick
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fog. Yeah yeah yeah. It's been a little while
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since I've seen a thick fog like that.
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Yeah. And yeah enjoyable.
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It's the kind that makes you feel like
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in those movies whenever somebody's
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flying a dragon or you know the magic
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carpet and they put their hand out in the
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cloud and everybody goes oh the magic. You do feel like you can touch it.
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You do. Yeah yeah. It's physical.
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Yeah. Ah very nice. It's nice.
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So what's your bright spot? My bright spot
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was hopefully going to be tennis but
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then it was not this morning my friend.
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Sorry. Tennis
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has been great. Yeah. All the tennis
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very good. Good season. People who play tennis
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they're very good at it. Okay.
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The people that I wanted to play good
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did not play as good. That is
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a downside. That is a bummer.
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It is a bummer. Malcatraz?
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Went down. Ooh. Went down to Zverev.
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Ooh. Yeah it's dark.
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But it's good to see him come back from injured.
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And didn't Rafa already get injured?
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Rafa already got injured. Yeah.
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He won't be back till the French. Tough season.
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Tough season for you.
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He played one tournament and then he's like I'll see you in a few months.
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Yeah. I'm gonna die.
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I am a hundred years old
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as far as my body is concerned.
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I'm older than Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi combined.
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Basically. Yeah.
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I'm sorry that was a
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you know a bright spot that got pulled out from under you.
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Ah it's tough. Coco even lost.
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Coco. Oh no. Come on.
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Ice T's wife?
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No. No no no. The gorilla.
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Okay.
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That guy's old. Or lady.
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I can't remember. I can't remember.
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So Jordan. Yes.
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Today we have an episode to go over. Right.
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Talking about something in the present day but it is a little bit
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in the past. Okay.
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We're talking about January 19th, 2024.
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Alright. So this is
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last Friday. Sure.
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And the reason I wanted to
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cover this is there's some crazy shit
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that happens and
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you know it's worth
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doubling back for. Sure. But now I kind of
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regret it because as we're recording this
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on Thursday Alex on his show
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supported secession
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for various states.
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And so I was sitting there like oh wow
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that timing is fun. Yeah. Right before
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we start recording Alex gets into
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that shit so that's probably first and foremost
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on everybody's mind and we're gonna have to wait until
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Monday to get to that. We'll see.
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Well no we are gonna cover it on Monday.
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No I mean we'll see if we get
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to Monday without the secession happening.
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That's a fair point. It's a long weekend.
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So we're gonna get down to business on
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this episode but first let's say hello to
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some new wonks. Oh that's a great idea. So first
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happy birthday Tombus Love Sarah
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thank you so much you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Next happy birthday Muins
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Chatnip from Eastern
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Tony and the Seed Perverts. Thank you so much
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you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Justin's
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not at the bar because he has two wonks at home
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now. Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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And next my cat
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Toki is 21 years old praise be to Celine
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thank you so much you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And
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congrats on your engagement Devin and Kara
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thank you so much you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.
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And we got a text right in the mix and I don't know if I
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can do this. I can try.
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You gotta give it a shot. It says in parenthesis
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Orson Welles voice. And
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so thank you so much to two guys
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one I can't I get two voices. It's tough
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it's tough. I just listened to an
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episode where Maurice LaMarche was on
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James Bonding
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and he can slide
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into it so easily. He's the best.
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Two guys one hammer
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thank you so much you're now a tech grad
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that was a terrible impression and I apologize.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone someone sodomite sent me
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a bucket of poop. Daddy shark.
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Bomp bomp bomp bomp. Jar Jar Binks
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has a Caribbean
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black accent. He's a
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loser little little titty
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baby. I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much. Yes thank you very much. I do not support
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that name
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but I also realize in hindsight
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what I should have done is just said done in Alex voice.
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I should have
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pretended that was my Orson Welles
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impression. Man I think
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the best Orson Welles impression was
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from Maurice LaBarche
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the Animaniacs was that the
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one? The country goodness and green penis.
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That's on the critic.
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The critic that's what it was.
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Fantastic. The best.
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These fish sticks. They're so good you can eat them
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raw.
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So good. I found a
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little bit in my beard.
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Yeah those are great.
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And the Orson Welles
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Paul Masson commercial outtakes.
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That's an impression but that's the
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greatest thing ever. You just don't get better
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than that. You just don't get
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better than that.
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He's just
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it is like the genius insanity
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thing. They're the same.
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Anyway speaking of
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insanity but not genius we have
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Alex Jones and there's a lot
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going on on this episode
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there's a big story that I don't know
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maybe you heard about I don't know if you have. I genuinely don't
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know if I have. Man I don't know your life.
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I don't know what you've heard about. It's been a rough
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week. So here we go we're going to start off
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and Alex will lay out the
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beginnings of this narrative.
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But I got a call right
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after the show yesterday by a very
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respected medical doctor, hospital
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director, former
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leader of the
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governor of Texas Health
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Task Force for seven years
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Dr. Richard Bartlett
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and he
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said to me
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you need to read all these documents
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I'm going to send you.
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And then after I went over the documents
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and spent about two hours I called
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him and I had my producer call him and I
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said please come on. He said
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well I'm running the hospital
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today I can come on at lunch
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and he's in Amarillo
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so that's in one hour
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central. Amarillo by
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lunchtime.
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Wow. I mean
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if your
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doctor calls into Infowars
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during the day
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that's not your doctor anymore.
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That's not a good sign. Not a good doctor.
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So to hear Alex tell it this Bartlett fellow seems
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like he's almost the most credible person you could
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possibly imagine existing. It's really amazing
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how Alex has access to literally the most
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important and credible people in every
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field in the world. It is a stroke of luck.
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And then they become less so when they do things he doesn't like
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like Steve Pachanik. Well. In reality
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Bartlett is a doctor who came to prominence during
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the early days of COVID because he claimed
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that a standard asthma inhaler with the
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steroid Budesinide
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was the quote silver bullet
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to treating COVID-19.
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And you know what? Research has borne out that
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it is the case that Budesinide
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has some therapeutic effect that
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may improve time of recovery for
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some patients. The results didn't show
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it to be a silver bullet but in terms of
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COVID solutions presented by folks in Alex's orbit
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this one is at least better than a placebo
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it appears. Alright.
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It's not an answer. It's not a solution.
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Sure. It's not as
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people like Bartlett would say a reason
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not to get vaccinated. Right.
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But it's not like going to hurt you.
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Honestly net zero is
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heroic levels of doctoring.
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For these people. Yeah. In this world that is incredible.
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Yeah. And it makes sense that this would
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have some kind of a help because
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one of the central issues with COVID involves
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respiratory issues. But Bartlett
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is severely overplaying his hand in terms
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of it being a treatment. I bet it feels
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like it works a lot more than it
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actually does because you got the steroid
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you got the inhaler. Alex talks about
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that because he got Bartlett to
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give him some of these inhalers when he got COVID
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one of the times. Right right right.
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Jesus Christ I hate him so much. The instant relief
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that you get from the steroids
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is like it makes you think
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that oh I'm better. Psychologically
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it's probably worse. Yeah yeah yeah. It makes sense.
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Yeah. So now I have to say that
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the simple act of suggesting budesonide
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is something that can help with patients with mild
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COVID is not that extreme.
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It doesn't mean that Richard Bartlett isn't
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extreme himself. In 2018
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he published a bit of a memoir called
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The Journey of a Medicine Man Doctor Confirmed
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Miracles. Nope nope nope
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nope. Not good. No.
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The courts of heaven shall strike you down.
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The description of the book pretty clearly lays
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out that quote for as long as he could remember
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Dr. Richard Bartlett wanted to be a missionary
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and it appears he decided to use his
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position as a doctor to do just that.
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So here we can learn our
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first little tidbit about Bartlett and that is that
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he believes in miracles and perhaps
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even thinks that they're an important part of the medical field.
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Sure. So that's a bad start. That's not good.
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Alex makes a lot of claims about Bartlett and his
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interests. I'm gonna go through them. The first is that
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he's very respected. That's debatable
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and a matter of perspective. So I'll leave that for you
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to decide when we get to the end of this discussion.
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Well I'm gonna nickname him Dr. Dick Bart
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so I don't think I respect him very
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much. Yeah that's disrespectful. Yeah.
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Alex says that he is a hospital director. I can find
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zero evidence of this and I don't think it's
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true. I think it's possible that he
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runs his own private clinic. That
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sounds right. But a hospital director is a
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completely different, much more
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serious thing.
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Yeah, no, the moment he said hospital director
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I was like, there's no way that this is a real hospital.
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This is like a, you know, Dr. Kellogg's
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hospital kind of thing. So Alex then
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says that Bartlett was the head of the Governor's
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Task Force for seven years.
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This is just not true. Alex either
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doesn't know or is intentionally obscuring the fact
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that the task force Bartlett was a part of
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was the Texas Health Disparities
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Task Force which sought to get rid of the ways
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that people in different communities had unequal
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access to health care. That task
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force was created in 2002 and according
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to Bartlett's bio, he was appointed to it
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that year. In a 2002
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article in the Victoria Advocate newspaper
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Dr. Adela Valdez
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is named as the chair of that task force.
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So he wasn't the, he wasn't named
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the head of it. But he was on the task force.
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Yeah, he does appear so. Okay. I don't know
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for how long, but yeah, he was definitely on it
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according to documentation I can find.
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Right, right, right. Valdez is once again credited
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as the, quote, presiding officer of the task force
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in a 2004 article in the
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Tyler Morning Telegraph. So it appears
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that she went on to be it for a while.
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Sure. Interestingly, in
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2003, there was a run
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for the vacant seat left by the resignation
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of Larry Combest, the
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representative in the US House for Texas's 19th
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District. Richard Bartlett threw his hat
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into the ring and ended up coming in 10th
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with just under 2% of the vote. Ouch.
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His candidacy was somewhat dead on arrival
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as he was dealing with a complaint from the Texas
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Board of Medical Examiners after, quote,
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an investigation revealed alleged
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unnecessary diagnostic tests, medication
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and treatments for multiple patients.
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According to, this is according to an article
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in the Midland Reporter Telegram.
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Bartlett naturally argued that this was just the insurance
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companies coming after him because he dared to put
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patients first and he swore that he would produce these patients
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who would testify on his behalf and he predicted
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he'd get a letter of an apology from the board.
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Sure. How'd that go? Well, in December
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2003, after a hearing, the medical
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examiner's board and Bartlett agreed to basically
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have him on probation for a year.
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He would need to submit, quote, selected patient
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records to be reviewed by the board approved
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monitor. He would also then need to take
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a class on some medical stuff.
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After this point, I can find no official
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confirmation that Bartlett was on the Health
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Disparities Task Force, but that isn't the sort
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of thing that leaves a lot of documentation, so
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I can see that it's possible that he remained on it
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anyway after all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This is Texas and Rick Perry is the governor
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at this point, so who knows. Yeah.
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From here, things calmed down a bit with Bartlett.
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At some point, he became the president
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of the Ector County Medical Society,
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which I can verify that he was at least in
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2006. Various sources
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claim that he was in that position for four years, which
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could be true. I have no idea.
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And then nothing really happens for a while. Right.
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Then, in 2019, Bartlett
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re-emerges, announcing a plan to run for the
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House of Representatives again. But this time
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he drops out before the GOP primary
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and then he seems to at some point have lost
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his goddamn mind. Right. You see
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him pop up early in the COVID outbreak,
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insisting that budesonide asthma
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inhalers are the magic cure for COVID
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and if everyone just used them, the outbreak would
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be over. Research was in process
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around this kind of question and it ultimately showed
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that, while helpful, asthma inhalers
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would not just get rid of COVID-19. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. I have a suspicion that this made
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Bartlett lose it. He began
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to become more antagonistic
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to the medical system as a whole.
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He appeared on a radio show in November
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2020 with one of his patients, who would go on
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to call the doctors and staff
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at the medical center hospital, quote,
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murderers. Sure, that might
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be a little extreme. This caused the people who
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ran that medical center hospital
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to be like, hey,
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please stop. They take it pretty personally
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when they call the murderers. A little
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under a year later, things took a very bizarre
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twist when Bartlett was caught trying to sneak
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into the medical center hospital through
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the loading dock entry and appeared
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to be looking for stuff in their
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trash. Alright. He was given a criminal
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trespassing watch. Sorry, what? Yeah, yeah.
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Look around in the trash. What is this?
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Is this an episode of Law and Order? What is going
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on here? So he was given a criminal trespass
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warning since he has no business
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to be at that hospital in the first place.
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Yeah, well, obviously. He's now going to be
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arrested if he ever goes back unless it's
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as a patient. He claimed that he... No!
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No! They have a duty.
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Now, now I've, no, now I've
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got it. Now I've got my heist plan
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going. This is a terrible idea. Do you leave
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no openings? He claimed that he was
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looking for, quote, COVID bags,
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apparently trying to confirm a conspiracy theory
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that the hospital was putting bags on COVID
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patients' heads. Alright. And there is
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unfortunately like a little bit of truth
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to this. Sure. And that is that
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early on in the pandemic
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they had a very
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unthoughtful
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method of transporting
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patients around the hospital
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who had
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tested positive for COVID.
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They put a bag over their head. There's
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at least one instance of this that has
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happened. Okay. I don't know how widespread
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it was or anything, but he was
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looking for the bags. Well, what are you
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going to do? People put bags on your head.
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Since this point Bartlett has been essentially a
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non-entity in terms of legitimate medical
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circles. Sure. He may still practice, but in
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terms of his existence as a public figure, no one
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except people like Alex take him seriously.
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And that explains why he called Alex
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the day before this to tell him about this very
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important story that he wants to promote.
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Alex is the sort of outlet that has no standards
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and Bartlett's shit can't really fly in any arena
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that does. Yeah. So that's where we're at.
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Bartlett called him up. Let's
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think about some people. The trash man.
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Who have stridently
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called Alex with information that
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needs to be talked about that
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has led to people getting very
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seriously hurt in the past. There have been a few.
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Yeah, that could be happening. So this story is fucking
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huge. Sure. This
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story is so
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huge
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that when I read this
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entire stack of documents, which is
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government
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documents, huge
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CDC documents, hospital documents,
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I was
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sitting, going to bed last night about 10
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p.m. and
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it was so upsetting
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that I couldn't sleep
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so I got back up at about 2 a.m.
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and I've been up since then.
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So what am I talking about? Well,
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we just posted it on X.
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We just tweeted it. Let's put the live
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show feed that went up minutes ago on screen for
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TV viewers at Real Alex Jones.
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Real Live
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Nightmare, US hospitals caught
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injecting experimental Ebola vaccine
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that sheds. Oh shit.
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Big news. Wow.
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Wait, what? What?
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It sheds? Ebola. Ebola sheds.
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What does this have to do with anything?
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We'll get to it. Oh, god dammit.
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So the idea here is that
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there's a hospital that's injecting people with an
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experimental Ebola vaccine. This
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vaccine, once given to a person, will allow them
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to spread this virus by shedding it
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from their body. Right. The short version of what's
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up here is that's not true.
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Right. The story is about how in November
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2023, some frontline workers were
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some of the first people to get vaccinated
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in the US with a vaccine
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whose brand name is Urvabo.
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It's an Ebola vaccine, but it's not
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experimental. It was approved by the
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FDA in 2019. It's just that
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most people in the United States don't have a reason to
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get it since they're super unlikely to
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ever come into contact with Ebola in the wild.
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Right. These frontline workers in Denver
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were given the vaccine because the
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city houses one of the HHS-designated
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regional emerging special
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pathogens treatment centers.
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In 2014, the last time
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Alex whipped the audience into an Ebola
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hysteria, the only cases that were not
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from people who caught it outside the country
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prior to coming here were two people who were
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treating the patients. So having a
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vaccine like this available to people in that
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position essentially serves to
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limit the amount that it's possible for
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future cases that are imported to the United
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States to spread any further than a hospital.
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Right, right, right. That's the idea. You can find all
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kinds of coverage of this from the end of November
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and it's weird that
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it's just coming up for Alex now, probably
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because his audience really isn't that worked up about COVID
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anymore and they need something else to be scared of.
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Ew. Shatting sounds scary, but it's important
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to understand that it's not the same thing as spreading.
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The likelihood of vaccines being
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spread that way is incredibly rare
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and one of the only exceptions is
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the oral polio vaccine, which has
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largely been replaced. In some
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parts of the developing world, that oral polio
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vaccine is still used, which is why you'll end up
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seeing cases of vaccine-derived
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polio and why Alex can trot around saying that
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the majority of cases of polio are caused
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by the vaccine. Sure. This dynamic
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does not exist with all live attenuated
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virus vaccines and that's the only
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thing Alex is going to go off of when
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he's saying this vaccine is shedding and it's going to cause
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other people to get this.
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It's just going to point to the polio vaccine. Right, right, right.
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He has no evidence that this applies to
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the Ebola vaccine and neither
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does Dr. Trash Thief. This is all just
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ridiculous. Yeah, that sounds right.
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So that's the basic
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bit of the business.
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Okay. Basic bit of business.
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Excuse me.
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Excuse me. I was
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thinking that they were talking
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about a vaccine where if you get a vaccine
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then you can spread the vaccine
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like a
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super spreader kind of thing.
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Which seems like a great idea.
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Well actually that is some of
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the possible effect that
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unintentional
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effect that the oral polio vaccine
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can have in parts of the developing world where it's
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used. Right, right, right. But that's more
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of a building up immunity
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in a more
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kind of like responsive way as opposed to a
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vaccine like an mRNA
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vaccine type deal kind of thing.
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Sure. Yeah.
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It's not advised.
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I think that having a
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plan of like secondary
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vaccinations of people is
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first of all incredibly unethical.
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Right. You know you don't have the
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informed consent of the people. Right.
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And see that's kind of the argument that
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anti-vaxxers have around this shedding business
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is that like vaccines
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shouldn't be allowed because
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you shed them and the people who then get
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sick from you, which they can't prove
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happens, then they
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don't have, they didn't consent
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to be around you with your vaccine.
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Right. And so that's kind of like
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the standard anti-vaxx argument
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that goes around this stuff. I feel like blow darts
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should be more involved in the vaccine
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process and that's just a throwing
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that out there kind of thing. Not necessarily
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a we need to table this right now
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kind of thing, but I'm just in the future.
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I've been a blow dart guy
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from way back, but I don't know
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about its application here. Again, I think we run
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into the same ethical issues about informed consent.
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Ah, but not if
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I'm well camouflaged.
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Oh, what's that?
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I think I got stung by a bee.
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And then we move on.
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When I was younger
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I had some friends who wanted to get
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knives and stuff.
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We wanted to have some weapons because it was
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cool at the time. And so I was like
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I want to be different. I'm going to be a blow dart guy.
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And so I decided to get like a
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You got a little blow dart? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I never got good at it.
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Alex gets more into
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this conspiracy.
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So listen to me very, very
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carefully.
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They've
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been hyping
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that the next big attack
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will be an airborne Ebola.
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When did they
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hype that? They've been saying brace for it.
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And if you track the outbreaks
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of Ebola that happened during the Obama
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administration, they were directly linked back
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to the UN
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and the Pentagon
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with pharmaceutical companies
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a whole bunch.
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Seven different Central African
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countries. You're not even trying.
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Congo, you name it.
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Injecting
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the population
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when there was almost no Ebola there, almost no
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death, with these
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experimental shots.
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And now the very same company
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that did that
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and they admit, I have mainline news
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saying the Ebola
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outbreaks
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about breaks.
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Do you hear what I just said?
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No, because you cut out.
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So nothing Alex is saying there is true or connected
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to reality, but that drop in audio seemed
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suspiciously timed. Yeah, it did.
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What I'm using is audio straight from
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N4s, but I was able to find another feed of it
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and he just says that the old Ebola outbreaks were caused
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by the shot. So it's just kind of
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probably legally... It's random.
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Oh no, it's just a random... Because he says it at
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other points too. Oh, okay.
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It's just random tech glitch. Okay. So Alex is lying.
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The 2013 outbreak
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of Ebola in Guinea, Sierra Leone
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and Liberia, among other affected countries
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was the widest spread
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in history. The outbreak began
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in December 2013 in Guinea
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and then it spread slowly
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at first, but then it picked up steam
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in the spring of 2014.
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By August 2014, there were already about
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2,000 cases and almost 1,000
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deaths from the outbreak, and then that environment
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shit was very serious.
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At this point, the drug that would become
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Urvabo had been studied and
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showed promise in non-human primates,
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but it is understandably pretty
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difficult to test something like an Ebola vaccine
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on human subjects, given how deadly
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it can be and how quickly it can kill a person.
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Sure. Considering the circumstances and how
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severe the outbreak was, it was deemed
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ethical to deploy this vaccine on a
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trial basis among some people in
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Baskinay, Guinea, generally
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among people who had a contact with someone
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diagnosed with Ebola within the previous
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three weeks. We call it the nothing left
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to lose kind of thing. It's compassionate
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to ethical. Fuck it. Might as well, hey, we'll
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throw anything at it at this point, because who cares?
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Right. You have a 50% fatality rate
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and you have cases in the thousands.
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You got it. The trial lasted two years
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and they found among the
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5,837 people who had received
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the vaccine, there were zero cases of
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Ebola. Of the 6,004
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people that they monitored who
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didn't get the vaccine, 23 people
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were infected. This level of
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efficacy is shockingly good,
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and in 2019, there was another outbreak in
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the Democratic Republic of Congo.
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The Urvabo vaccine
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was given to approximately 90,000 people
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and it had a 97.5%
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effectiveness rate. Oh, that's awesome.
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It's a little bit down from 100%
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in 2016, which was at
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the end of that other outbreak, but still
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very good, especially considering for years
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there's been no prevention, treatment, or cure
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that we know of for Ebola. Sure.
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Now, it's important to point out that
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when we say that there's 100% or 97.5%
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effective rate here,
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that's not really a number that we can ever
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know, because it's essentially impossible
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to set up a trial that includes placebos
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and control groups where the subjects would then
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be exposed to Ebola. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Those 5,837 people
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did not get Ebola. We know that much,
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but we don't know that if some of them
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like they would have, if they
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maybe just weren't exposed to the virus,
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it's complicated, so it's probably
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best to stay away from like hyperbolic
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claims, but the vaccine showed and
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shows a lot of promise.
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There's a lot you could say about this set of circumstances.
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For instance, you could take issue
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with the use of this experimental vaccine
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among people in that earlier outbreak
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when it hadn't been tested for effectiveness on human
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subjects. That's a definite ethical
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question, and it's possible to have mixed feelings
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about it. On the one hand,
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they didn't know for sure if it was going to work.
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On the other hand, there were thousands of cases of Ebola
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with an almost 50% fatality rate,
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and the outbreak showed no signs of slowing
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down. A strong case could be made
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for trying the vaccine with people's informed consent,
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and that you could make
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an argument that that's the only ethical thing
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you could do in that situation.
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If Alex wanted to have a discussion on this kind of
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a ground, I don't think I'd agree with him.
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I don't think I'd end up on the same side, but at least
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it's a rational conversation to have.
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Claiming that those outbreaks were caused
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by the vaccine is a disgusting lie.
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The perpetuation of which is just going to hurt
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more people, though. That's not a rational conversation.
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There's zero reason for Alex
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to be pulling this kind of shit, because the
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strategy that's been used and found effective
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with Urvabo has been what's been called
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ring vaccination.
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It's an outward ring
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starting from the point of a confirmed case,
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vaccinating the people who they've been in contact
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with. As of this point,
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this has not been a vaccine that has been used
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at population levels, like
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the way that you would try and reach herd immunity
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through vaccination.
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It's a prophylactic emergency
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strategy that's used to prevent outbreaks from
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spreading further. And let me be clear,
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I don't think it's impossible that we could
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see another case of Ebola come into the country.
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Like, Alex, I don't think that
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him suggesting
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because he's talking
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about the global disease, they're
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pre-programming all this. It's just people
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warning that it's possible that we
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could have a case. You know?
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It happened in 2014. It is possible
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that that could happen.
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That's an interesting... You know what?
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Thinking about it, now that
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I think about what possible
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civil war kind of thing
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there could be,
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I think if there was another
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outbreak, it's possible that we could have
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a significant part of the population
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on the side of the virus at this point in time.
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Like, we're talking
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a lot of people.
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I don't know...
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You get into a little bit of murky territory when you're, like,
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on the side of the virus, because I think you could make
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a pretty solid case that a lot of Alex's
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behaviors are indistinguishable from
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being in favor of the virus.
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But he's not actually
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in his head being like,
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I want to spread this fucking virus.
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I can't say that that's what he thinks.
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But his actions are indistinguishable
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from someone who would want to make it more difficult
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to deal with a public health crisis.
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Right, right, right. Yeah, no, if I was a
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Native American, I would be like, oh, I don't think these white people
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are trying to spread this disease, but you know what?
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You gotta go.
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Not quite the same.
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I get what you're saying.
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So there's a possibility that you could see a case
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of this, you know, it's just part of
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being in an interconnected world.
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The issue is whether or not it will become an
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active outbreak here if
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something does happen. And the only thing that
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determines that is how our leaders respond.
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Right. If we have a response like what happened
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in 2014, then there's a good chance that we'll end up
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with a similar outcome, where things are well-contained
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and it doesn't become a public health crisis.
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If we have leaders like we did
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in 2020, I find it hard not
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to think that we will be fucked.
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Fingers crossed, though, that we never have to find out.
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It's not an inevitability,
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but it
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does introduce a scary prospect.
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Yeah, it has, I will say that
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I think I've kind of
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noticed this, and it hasn't
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fully connected into a thought that I think
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can be fleshed out yet, but since the
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pandemic, just baseline
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competence has turned into a lot sexier
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thing for me. You know what I mean?
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Man, people just doing
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their jobs at a good level.
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Wow!
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Well, I think, especially
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within
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bureaucratic things
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and places with a lot of
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variables, like government,
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it is more impressive than
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you realize for people to be competent.
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It dropped my expectations
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so far
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that it now is, yeah. Oh, that's great!
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Yeah, I mean, it's a silver
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lining. Think about positive
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attitude. Right. That's where you
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start every episode with. Things could be worse.
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So Alex believes this
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to be breaking news.
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And now they're giving the shots
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to healthcare workers
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at hospitals in the United States.
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This just broke.
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And what's crazy is
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doctors finally noticed this
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even though they started
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this
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in December
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a month ago.
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So this is breaking
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now here. So this happened
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in November. This isn't breaking news, but
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Alex's narrative on it is. Right.
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You know how Alex pretends that he spends all this time
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studying and reading the news, figuring out the
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plots of the globalists? You really
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got to think that if that were true, he would have
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heard about this before his idiot
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doctor slash raccoon friend called him
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about it. So there are ten
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regional emerging special pathogens
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treatment centers in the United States, of
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which Denver Health is one of them.
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It was their choice to vaccinate some of their frontline
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workers for Ebola, which really raises the question
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if this were part of an elaborate globalist
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plot, wouldn't all of those regional emerging
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special pathogen treatment
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centers be vaccinating their employees?
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Why is it just Denver? I guess the
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conspiracy has got to be that that's where the outbreak's
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going to start. I mean, they do have the
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airport. That's true. With
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Lucifer. See, now
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I'm listening. They have murals.
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You say Denver,
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and now I'm listening. I will
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say that there's a shocking amount of restraint
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that Alex shows in terms of not
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bringing the
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Denver airport. There's so many options
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really. If you've got Denver as your
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epicenter of a conspiracy,
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that's adjacent. You know?
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You're right there. Yeah.
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So Alex complains
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in this next clip here. He talks about
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how he thinks that
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the vaccine is linked to all these outbreaks.
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And then he complains about the Washington Post
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for some reason.
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And when I say breaking, it's on the
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hospital websites. It's on
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the CDC site. They admit
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they're doing it, and then we can track
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the exact so-called vaccine
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linked to four
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global Ebola outbreaks.
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So
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special guest
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Dr. Richard Bartlett and one other guest I'll announce
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once he joins us
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for the second hour today.
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You need to
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tune in. You
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need to share.
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You need to research. Because unlike
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the Washington Post that just wrote a
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big article two days ago that we wrote about last night
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at infoawards.com,
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we want you to do your own research.
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Washington Post's latest outlet
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telling Americans
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doing your own research is bad
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and the first example they use
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in the big report
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we have a screenshot of right here with a link to it
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on the site, is
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infoawards.com
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reporting that
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leftists have been caught setting fires
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in Australia, and
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they say it's false,
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but then later in the article admit it's actually
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true, hoping you don't read deeper,
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and we got it from the AP
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of Australia and the
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Brisbane Times.
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So
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we want you to do your
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own research.
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Got it. I will.
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All you gotta do to start fires
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in Australia is carry a magnifying
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glass. That doesn't count as a crime.
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And we talked about this 500 episodes ago.
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I was gonna say, yeah.
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So the term linked to,
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and Alex's claim that the Ebola vaccine has been
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linked to four outbreaks is a pretty weaselly
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bit of business. Demonstrating that this
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vaccine was used in the context of
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Ebola outbreaks is not the same thing as it
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causing them. Further, there are
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examples of outbreaks where the vaccine wasn't
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used, because it's only effective against the Zaire
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strain. Alex needs to prove a causal
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link instead of this weak shit he's doing, and
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that burden of proof is on him, and he is
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not up to achieving it. Also, Alex
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says that the vaccine is,
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he says that it's linked to four
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global Ebola outbreaks, and there haven't been
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global Ebola
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outbreaks except for one.
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Right. You could call that 2013
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to 2016 outbreak global, since
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a few cases popped up around the world, but other
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than that, the outbreaks have all been in
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Africa, particularly the Democratic
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Republic of Congo, Uganda,
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Guinea. Alex would be very sloppy
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with his language, because the goal is to
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sensationalize the story to scare the audience.
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And that's the name of the game.
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Alex brings up this Washington
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Post article, which is just an op-ed covering
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a paper published in the journal Nature,
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that found that people who do their own research
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online tend to, quote, gain more confidence
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in untrue information.
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That sounds right. So the article quotes the paper,
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quote, when individuals search online
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about misinformation, they're more likely to
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be exposed to lower quality information
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than when individuals search about true stories.
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And those who are exposed to low quality
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information are more likely to believe false
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slash misleading news stories to
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be true relative to those who are not.
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Basically, legitimate
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outlets and sources of quality information,
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they generally aren't going to be talking about the stupid
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shit that people like Alex are. So
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when you seek out information about the stupid shit,
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Alex is saying, you're going to find low quality
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information sources talking about it, and
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that in turn reinforces your belief in
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them. Right. The only time that Alex
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or Infowars comes up in this article is in this passage.
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Quote, channels like One America
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News, which I described shortly after the
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2020 election as pro-Trump video channel
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offered with a cable news-like
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aesthetic, elevated numerous baseless
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claims before being booted from major
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cable news systems.
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Its programming often appears to be the equivalent
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of taking Alex Jones' Infowars,
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but setting it in a local television
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news studio. Doing your own research
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might lead you to reputable looking
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sources that are anything but.
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There's nothing about fires or Australia in the article
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at all, so Alex's complaint about the Washington Post
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really isn't on target.
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The words Alex and Infowars don't appear in that
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nature paper, so I had to go to the Infowars
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article to even get what this was about.
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Apparently, they're complaining about how one
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of Alex's articles about the Australian
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fires from 2020 was included in the paper
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and deemed false slash misleading.
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Wow. This is tremendously petty.
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Wow. So the headlining
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question is, quote, nearly 200 people
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arrested across Australia for deliberately
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starting fires, starting bushfires.
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Sure. To complain about this
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nature paper, Alex points to
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a Snopes fact check of the claims
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about the fires, which said that
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183 people had been arrested for bushfire
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related offenses, but, quote,
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24 people have been charged with
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deliberately setting fires.
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So the deliberately. The deliberate
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arson. That's what we're talking about.
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The Infowars article goes on to whine, quote,
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Snopes was pretty
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hung up on the word deliberately, to
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which I would say that might be because the word was
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prominently used in your headline. It's a very
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important word. So the Infowars article
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says that the Snopes review, quote, failed
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to mention the source cited by the Infowars
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article. The Brisbane Times wrote, quote,
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figures obtained by the Australian Associated
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Press revealed police had dealt with
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98 people, 31 adults,
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and 67 juveniles for
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deliberately starting fires, a number
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that grew over time. Hmm.
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That last part, quote, a number that grew over time
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wasn't from the Brisbane Times. Alex is just
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tacking that on to save face. That is odd.
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Also, the source says that police, quote, dealt
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with 98 people. Sure. Not arrested
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them. Well. Alex's article
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explicitly in the headline. They're all dead now.
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It says, quote, arrest and deliberately.
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And the sources he's now pointing to
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don't back him up on that. Also, Alex's claim
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on air here is that it was leftists who
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did this. That's not supported by his own article from
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the past, nor the sources that he's pointing to,
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like the Brisbane Times. Further,
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the point of Alex's article was the fact
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that some people were arrested for arson.
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That was being used as proof
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that climate change isn't real. By every
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metric, this was a false slash misleading
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claim in the article. Sure.
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He can grow up and stop whining
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about the fucking Washington Post.
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You know, I feel like it wouldn't be fun to parse
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a sentence with you if I was
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Alex. I'm just saying that as far
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as the headline goes, if I was next to
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you, I would be like, I'll, you
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stay over there. Sure. I'll write this
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one. Uh-huh. You go over,
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yeah. Well, no, I mean, that's, that is the
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problem. It does seem to be. You know, standards
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and what are you actually saying
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are questions that Alex...
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You have asked the wrong
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question. Yeah, you don't want to, don't want to deal with that. Nope.
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So Alex wants you to look into this stuff,
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though. Sure. He wants you to do your research.
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Do your own research. We want you
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to look into this because, undoubtedly,
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you're going to find even more stuff than we found.
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Because when we get millions of
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people to start... And if you don't, you'll make it up
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and then we'll say it. That's when things get
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interesting. So let me show you these headlines.
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That is true. Tom Fleetwood is a researcher,
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highly recommended by Dr. Bartlett. He's joining
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us next hour. Ebola
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vaccine that sheds onto and
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infects others, 31% rate
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31% of the time
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given to Colorado healthcare workers
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just down the road to the new
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Ebola bat lab. So
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that... I'm sorry. We'll get to that.
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So that was a pretty perfect encapsulation
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of Alex's information model at the beginning
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that you responded to. Talk a bunch of shit,
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then crowdsource memes to talk more shit
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about. It's a lucrative business.
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So that 31% number that
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Alex cites about vaccine shedding comes
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from a November 2023
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paper published in Clinical Infectious
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Diseases. And I gotta be honest,
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actually, as this goes on, you start to realize
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that it's actually from
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an FDA insert
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for the Urvabo
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vaccine. But that insert
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is quoting this study. Right.
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So he's actually secondarily
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talking about this study, not realizing it.
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Gotcha, gotcha. So it found that
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31.7% of children shed the
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vaccine virus in their saliva, mostly
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in the first week after vaccination,
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but then stopped entirely by
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day 28, and then did not shed at all
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if they got a second dose. Sure.
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The paper is about shedding in
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adults and children, and there's literally no mention
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of shedding observed in adults, so
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Alex is just making up whatever claims he makes on that
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front. That's not to say that there isn't any,
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but there isn't any based on the source that
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he provides. Yeah. Virus shedding
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does not equate to virus spreading.
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That doesn't mean it's impossible, however, and
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the literature around this vaccine does advise
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that people who receive this vaccine, quote,
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avoid close contact with and exposure
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of high-risk individuals
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to blood and bodily fluids for at least
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six weeks following vaccination.
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Taking into consideration the rate of shedding
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and the nature of it, a study by the European
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Medical Association found, quote,
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the overall risk of Ervebo to
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human health and environment is considered
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negligible. When you get a live
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attenuated virus vaccine,
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you're not actually getting that virus.
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That is to say, you get
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Ervebo, you aren't getting Ebola
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light. The vaccine is introducing a
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very weakened version of the virus into your body,
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so it creates an immune response to it,
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creating antibodies.
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And you don't get Ebola.
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Right. This is a situation we
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find ourselves in. Alex can point to this
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study to show that 31.7 percent of
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children who got the vaccine shed it in their saliva
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for about a week or so and a little bit
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possibly after that,
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tapering off. But what he needs
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to do is prove his actual claim that
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this can spread the Ebola virus.
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Right. He can't do that. And the best
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he'll be able to do is point at the oral polio
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vaccine and insist that they're the same
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thing. And they're not.
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The thing about the bat lab
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is about people freaking out on social media
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about Colorado State University getting a
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grant in 2021 to build a facility
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to study bat immune reactions.
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Right. This is a BSL-2
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level security facility, so it won't be dealing
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with easily transmissible or
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highly lethal stuff. But the important
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thing is that this is a college
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from Colorado. Those doctors who got
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the Ebola vaccine were in Colorado.
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That makes sense. This grant for three years ago
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is a school in Colorado. Do you see how this fits
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together so perfectly? It really does.
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Lucifer. This is the level of work that's going on
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here. Two unrelated things happened in the same
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state. Therefore, the globalists tried to give everyone
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Ebola or something. I'm actually
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not even sure. When we get to the end of this, I'm not actually
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sure what the conspiracy is. It might be
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to scare people.
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It might be to trick people
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into getting vaccinated with an Ebola vaccine.
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It might be to give people Ebola.
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It might be to create an appearance
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of an outbreak in order to seize
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control. Unclear.
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I think
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one thing that occurs to me
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right now
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is how much we take for granted
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in regards to the
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borderline magic
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of viruses.
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That's crazy. What do you mean?
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The virus sheds in your saliva
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if you're a kid and not an adult.
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Or the virus
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or a small attenuated version does this thing
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or your body makes this thing based on this thing.
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They're fucking aliens, man.
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That's what they are. They were sent here on
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fucking asteroids. That's what happened.
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That's where we come
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from. And we're all viruses,
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man. I'm digging what you're saying,
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Robin. I like it.
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I just want to clarify based on what you're saying in case
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people get it twisted.
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Viruses are magic.
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Adults probably shed.
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It was not something that was captured
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in the study nor any of the information that
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Alex can present.
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Just to be clear, because I am a
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stickler with you and Alex.
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For sure. Of course.
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Apparently, shedding is the same
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thing as spreading. That's like the new
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version of correlation and causation.
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Shedding ain't spreading, baby.
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Here is the
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insert for the
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experimental Ebola
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injection that they admit
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sheds. Did you hear what I just said?
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Spreads.
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Here's that. Is that why it's called
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the spread aquarium? The medical doctor and hospital director
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and former
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task force member of the governor on
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next hour. So you've got these
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many vex weirdos coming in to reinforce
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the narrative that he's working
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on fleshing out
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through the beginning of the show.
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Through the first hour he's trying to
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really repeat this over and over again
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and you get the sense of this.
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It's a fascinating dynamic that I see playing
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out here that we'll discuss as it
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goes on. But for now, Alex
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makes an embarrassing trip up.
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Here is the New England Journal of Medicine
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a random controlled trial of Ebola
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virus disease
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therapeutics and it gets into
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what this vaccine did
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and
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it's massive linkage to outbreaks
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in Africa. So Alex hasn't read any
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of this stuff and he doesn't care what any of it
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says but he has a responsibility to
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read more than a headline when he's using a study
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to freak his audience out like this.
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This study in the New England Journal of Medicine
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isn't even about Urvabo.
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You would know that if you'd read any of this.
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Sure, because it would have the name Urvabo
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in it. Or not! Or you should know
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this from the headline. Because here's that headline.
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A randomized controlled
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trial of Ebola virus disease therapeutics.
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This is about therapeutics.
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Like monoclonal antibodies and
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antiviral agents. Things to do after
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you have it. It's not at all about vaccines.
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Not preventing it. I know this is par for the course
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for Alex and he has no idea about
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pretty much everything that he talks about.
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But this shit is sincerely dangerous.
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In the unlikely but very possible
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scenario that there is a case of Ebola that comes into
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the country in the future, Alex is priming
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his audience to not take any public
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health guidance seriously.
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He's doing literally everything within his power to make it
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more likely that the next outbreak, whatever
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it may be of, spreads more than it needs to.
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Which is exactly what you're saying with he's on the side
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of the virus. And honestly, I have
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a strong suspicion of why this is going on.
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He was swearing up and down
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forever that the COVID vaccine
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erased people's immune systems
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and would be seeing bodies piling up in the streets.
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He's been saying that forever.
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A lot of bodies that have not piled up in
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any streets. The promise of his conspiracies
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was that you, the listener, was
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smart for not getting vaccinated because
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all the idiots who did are going to be dead
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real soon. And you're going to get to laugh at them
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and that's why you love this show.
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And that hasn't happened. Ah,
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they laugh at me. I think the Infos audience
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is a little burned out on COVID
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conspiracies. It's not really as juicy.
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It's tough. And if Alex doesn't come up with a new
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medical set of keys to jangle in
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front of their faces, they might fuck around and
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start realizing that the prophecy of all these vaccine
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deaths didn't come true.
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This was always the way it was gonna go
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because Alex is, you know, kind of
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a coward about this stuff and he needs to
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distract the audience from his past bullshit with new
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bullshit. But he, you know,
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it's just a way to not own up to being
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wrong about this stuff.
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And, I don't know, especially when it's about
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something as, like,
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potentially volatile as
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Ebola outbreaks.
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It's pretty irresponsible.
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Well, I mean, when you
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stop to think about the mass
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psychology of
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millions upon millions
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of people dying
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due to a disease
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and how people after, like, three years are like,
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let's just be done.
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Let's just not talk about it.
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Yeah, okay, there's a new, who fucking cares?
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I'm just tired. That's what I
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am. To the point where even
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people are like, the government is killing us
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with it, are like, fucking,
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ugh, just do it then.
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Fine, I'm just tired of
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COVID. One way or
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the other, let's just be done with it.
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It's interesting that you can be tired of it,
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you know, that way, that burnout, but also
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the sensational
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bullshit nonsense. It'll tire you out.
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Human beings are just gonna get burnt out.
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Sooner or later, you get burnt out.
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Yeah. And the only thing that doesn't burn you out?
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Alex's dumb ass.
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Apparently.
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Apparently. So, uh,
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Alex talks about how these vaccines
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are linked to all these outbreaks, and
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it's trying to really pound out
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this narrative, basically, into shape, like
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a person at a forge. Like a steak.
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Shame Bill Gates backed live
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Ebola, oh, you know he'd be involved.
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Shame Bill Gates backed live Ebola vaccine
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distributed before Africa's
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2016, 18,
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2021, 2022,
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and before that under Obama outbreaks,
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which is given to Colorado healthcare workers,
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US Army now developing Ebola
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medicines.
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Okay.
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We have all the
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documents. So many documents.
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So that Bill Gates thing is a reference to Gavi
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providing some funding to Merck
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to help produce the Urvabo vaccine.
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That's the Bill Gates connection. Sure.
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What Alex is reading there is a headline from John
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Fleetwood's substack. You may have heard him
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mentioned earlier, he's Dr. Bartlett's
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weirdo friend who's going to be the other guest
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on this episode. And so, uh, he just
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uh, Alex was reading off this substack
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headline and decided to throw quote
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and earlier under Obama in there for no
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reason. It's not in the headline.
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So Alex is just making that up. Oh, man.
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I just want Fleetwood Max Fleetwood
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substacks.
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That's not good. That's not bad.
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He would be wise.
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Mick, get to work.
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Wait, is he dead? I think he's dead.
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I don't care.
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Ah, that's a good point. So Fleetwood
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substack post does literally
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nothing to demonstrate that the Urvabo vaccine
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is linked to increasing spread of Ebola
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during these outbreaks that are listed in the headline.
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It's purely an exercise in misrepresentation.
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In each of these instances
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that Fleetwood brings up, there's
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not a vaccine campaign
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that then led to an outbreak. In each of these
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cases, there was an existing outbreak and then
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vaccination efforts were launched to hopefully
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limit the spread of the virus. The methodology
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used with the Urvabo vaccine is wholly
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responsive. There's an outbreak
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and then health care providers track contact
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and get them vaccinated. It's an emergency
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response paradigm, not a blanket
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coverage paradigm. The argument
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that Fleetwood is making is simple.
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In these past instances, people were
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vaccinated, then there was an outbreak. Now
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some doctors in Colorado got vaccinated
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so there's probably going to be an Ebola outbreak there.
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It's a faulty argument built on
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false premises, but I'm noticing something here.
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Both of the main stories
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today, the one about the Colorado doctors
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and the one about the Colorado State University
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lab, are from John Fleetwood's
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substack. This guy's sure getting a lot
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of play out of nowhere. Looks like he will
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be our mystery guest on today's
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show. He is! I knew
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it! But also, a cynical person
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might wonder... Is he paying
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for it? I don't know what is going on.
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I don't know, but I also think that maybe
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he's just so desperate for content and Richard
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Bartlett called him and he's like, I got this weirdo
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friend. That's always possible.
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So John Fleetwood has been a writer for a
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few years at a blog called American Faith, where
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he writes about all the hot right wing grievance
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memes that are going around. Even
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after being on Infowars, he has under 600
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followers on Twitter, and I think that
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in 2001 he self-published a bit
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of a futurist fiction novel called
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3000 AD A New Beginning.
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I recommend everyone, including you,
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get your phone out. I recommend everyone
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Google that book and look at the cover
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and tell me that it doesn't look like a guy wielding
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a big erection. Alright, let's see.
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I can't find the entire book, but apparently
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shit goes bad when the stock markets fall apart
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in 2700
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or so, around then. And then
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somehow God ends up in a climactic battle
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against Satan. That sounds
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suspiciously familiar to
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my fan fiction.
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But look at the cover.
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You're not going to compete with this cover.
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So 3000 AD A New Beginning.
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Yep.
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Look at that. That is
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astonishing!
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You are
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joking! How did you get
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that on the TV screen?
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I looked at that
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cover
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and I was like, whoever made this could not
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have run it by anybody else or else they were
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trying to make it look like a dick. At all.
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It's crazy. And the eyes,
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the eyes looking at the dick are somehow
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even more disconcerting. But look at the guy's
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face. Oh, I see it.
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He has a sword in his hand, but
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it doesn't look like it. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
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He looks like he has a sword in both hands
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and a dick is growing out and he's
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staring at the dick like
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whoops. It's wild. Yeah. Anyway, people
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check that out. You gotta see it. So one of my
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favorite parts of this book that I read
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was on page seven. Sure. Quote
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People from the country formerly known as the
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United States began exploring west from the
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agricultural region at the center of the country.
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Groups broke away and founded new
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communities in Danvar,
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Houston, and Las Angeles.
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Changing the names of the past
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to reflect a new beginning. Sure.
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I feel bad. I shouldn't shit on someone for
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a creative endeavor. That's not cool. No.
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I really don't mean to be mean and
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fuck me for this, but like, seriously
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Google the cover of the book. You gotta.
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I couldn't have found that and not brought it up.
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You gotta. Also, if it's written by a different person
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named John Fleetwood, I apologize, but then again
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that cover is impossible to report. Ah, I mean
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hey, if there is a Fleetwood
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that is also, yeah, no.
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It's the same spelling of the name too
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because John is without an H.
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If there's two John Fleetwoods,
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both of them in this particular
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field, both of them with a
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level of uh... And he's a big
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he's a big Christian person
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and God vanquishes the devil
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at the end of his fiction novel. That makes
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sense. And a clear willingness to
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debase oneself for really
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any amount of money.
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Or none. Or none. Yeah.
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Seems great. I guess none is a part of any.
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So Alex, uh,
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you know, he does exactly what you would expect
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him to do. Sure. Now, pull up the headline
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from Reuters please, also AP.
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Majority of
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global
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polio
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cases caused by
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vaccine.
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Well...
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That's what's insane is that they hide this
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in plain view. Yeah, so we've talked about
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the dynamics of the polio vaccine a hundred times
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so I'm not going to get into it again here, but this
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is still important because it's the only thing
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Alex can point to to make his case.
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The orally administered polio vaccine
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is the exception to the rule where shedding
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experience by people who got the vaccine
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has more of a high likelihood
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to spread the virus. While it's not
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true of all live attenuated
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virus vaccines, that is the
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impression that Alex is trying to give.
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Right. But this is the one
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gotcha type thing that Alex can pull out to prop
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up all of his claims about this
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Ebola vaccine. He can point to
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that other article about 31.7%
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of children shedding the Ebola vaccine
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but what he can't do is prove
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that this can cause infection in another
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person. Because he can't do that
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he just points to the oral polio
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vaccine and pretends that his case is made
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and it is not. Right. He has more work
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to do and he's not up to it. Man
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hard to believe
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how much on the side
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of polio he is.
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I mean. We fought
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polio real hard as a species
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and then one
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and then it turns out that the polio
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will rise again. I mean this
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kind of behavior is the stuff that
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leads to. The south polio will
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rise again. Alright let's move on.
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So Alex lies a little bit more about
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them doctors in Danvar.
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Alright. Where's Ebola in the
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United States? It's hardly
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in Africa. Most outbreaks are linked to these
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tests. These inoculation
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operations. And then they're
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it's not just Denver. We know
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it's going to other places. We got that here.
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They're injecting healthcare workers who they then
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test on and put in a report
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admitting 31%
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got Ebola like symptoms
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when they took it.
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So Alex can't demonstrate where else these
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doctors are getting the Iverbo vaccine.
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I think what he might be
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talking about is that
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in like clinical trials. Right.
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I think that's what he's. That has to be.
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But that's not what it sounds like from the way
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he's saying this. No. So there's a single
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story from last November out of Denver
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and he's saying it's happening everywhere.
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Everywhere. Which is not going to be substantiated
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by his coverage. Right. So Alex
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is further lying about his source but in a
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compounded way. These doctors
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were not the people who were included in the study
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that cited the 31.7%
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shedding number. That was entirely different
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and reflected a quote randomized
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double blind placebo controlled trial
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conducted at six centers in four
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West African countries.
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It wasn't testing the efficacy of the vaccine
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but it was testing how well
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antibodies were produced and stayed around
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and so you can do a placebo
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controlled study around that because there wasn't
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the challenge of the Ebola. Right.
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So Alex is lying about that
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being related to the medical workers
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in Colorado. I can't
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say that I don't prefer
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my medical advancements
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to be
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performed on the doctor themselves
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live on a stage. Those
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are pretty cool. Whenever he's like
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I've developed a new thing and then
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he drinks it and then he's like no I'm free.
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That's how most vaccines I feel like
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should be announced. Well but
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they don't like make you
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transform. So
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it'd be an unsatisfying
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show. That is true. It's an unsatisfying
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show. I mean back in the day they didn't
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you know during the depression they didn't really have much to watch
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anyways so that was enough.
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People would just
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gather around if someone had a megaphone.
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Look at it. It was exciting.
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Oh he talks a lot louder.
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So Alex is further lying about the results of that study.
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He's saying people in the study got Ebola-like
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symptoms and that's just
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not the case. Unless
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you know if you get Ebola you get a headache.
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So if you get a vaccine
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you get a headache that's not Ebola-like symptoms.
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You can't say Ebola-like symptoms.
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It's a matter of degree. Unless I'm like melting
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you can't say Ebola-like symptoms.
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Yeah. So all of this really
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is just an egregious
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anti-vax
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demonstration.
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And so he spins this off into other
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vex conspiracies.
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That's just like they admittedly killed
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43,000 US troops in the two
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different anthrax injection
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test
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they did
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under George Herbert Walker
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Bush.
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There's the Reuters headline
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if you're a new viewer. I don't make this stuff up.
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Vaccine delivered
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polio virus detected
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in Congo.
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Vaccine delivered.
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But let's go back. That's not the actual headline I wanted.
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How the
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oral polio vaccine can cause polio.
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That's NPR. I want to show the exact headline
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that Joe Rogan didn't believe three years ago and
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has blown away. Majority of
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new polio cases caused
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by polio vaccine.
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That's the headline. I want them to
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see it. So that shit about the anthrax
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vaccine is not true. Alex is
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mixing up statistics. Yeah.
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43,000 military members died from
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influenza during World War I.
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Sure. That's the statistic that he's
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mixing up. Slightly different from anthrax.
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Yeah. During George H.W.
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Bush. A little bit different. A little bit different.
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Sure. So you can see from
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that clip how important the precise optics
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of this polio vaccine thing is to selling
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the shoddy argument he has about the Ebola
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vaccine. The crew pulls up a
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very serviceable article about a case
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of vaccine-derived polio in the Democratic
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Republic of Congo, but that's not enough for
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Alex. He needs that majority of
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cases thing because he thinks it's going to
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blow the audience's collective mind, but it's just
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sleight of hand tricks. Yeah. Just look
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over here. I
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here's what I'm fascinated by.
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Why do journalism schools
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exist if they don't have
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this exact
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scenario?
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To me, this is what makes perfect
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you can't have journalism in America
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unless you confront this.
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That journalist wrote
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majority of new cases, that's the headline
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you wrote. That cannot be.
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That simply cannot be.
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However, we got to get
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that into schools everywhere that are like
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hey, you see this? Here's an example.
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This cannot
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be. Yeah, a new
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and maybe, fuck
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I didn't go to journalism school and
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I've been out of college for a while so
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maybe things have changed a bit, but
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a priority
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for people
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who are in the field in this current
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state of the way that clickbait
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is misused
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and abused by actors
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like Alex and so
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many more now. You have to play preemptive
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defense against
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what you're writing being used
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as a weapon. Yeah.
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And that is definitely the case. I agree
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with you, but I also
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the only reason I have some pause is I don't know if
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maybe some journalism schools are
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incorporating some of that understanding. Sure, sure, sure.
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They very well may be. Right, right, right, right.
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It certainly hasn't
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fleshed out. Yeah, no I just
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mean like if you study the history of
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journalism in America, that is a
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problem that has never even been addressed.
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True. You know, it is one that is
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if anything been like
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barreling towards worse-ness
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since the start. Sensation is sold
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since people were selling
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papers on the street. The fucking
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Gutenberg Bible had a pair of tits
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on it to get the sales
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numbers juiced up. Hell yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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So Alex realizes
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at some point here
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the headline he has for the show that he's
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tweeted out, maybe it isn't sensational
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enough. It could be better. So he starts
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to workshop it on air. That's a good idea.
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And now Bill Gates, say it again.
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Bill Gates. Bill Gates
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in fact our headline on X should be
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this. I wrote the headline before it went live.
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It's not sensational
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enough because it needs to match the reality.
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So let's, let's, let's, let's,
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let's retweet, let's repost
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again the live show feed.
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Breaking.
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Bill Gates
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caught secretly, well they're
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actually it's not, it's hiding a plain view.
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Try
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and avoid adverbs in your headlines.
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Just throwing that out there.
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Funding.
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Sure.
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Experimental injection. Okay.
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Ebola vaccine.
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Stop.
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Americans. No.
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And it spreads.
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The headline is what says it all.
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What is happening? No one cares about
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anything but the headline. Breaking. Bill Gates
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caught funding and
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the administration
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the
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I, I, I just
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this is all about my pay grade folks.
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The writer's room is
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below your pay grade.
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He's trying to say he hasn't read
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any of this.
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The injection
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of live Ebola vaccine
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in the United States.
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Or breaking. Americans now being
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injected with
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live Ebola vaccine
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that sheds. That's even worse.
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Funded by Bill Gates.
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Or Bill Gates funding
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the inoculation of
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Americans with live Ebola vaccine
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in the United States.
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I mean.
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So yeah I mean it is kind
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of an exercise in exactly what you're talking about.
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Alex is trying to figure out that headline
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that is the sensational thing that will
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you know he's trying to figure out like
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what can I stand behind.
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Where are my tits on this Bible.
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I'm not going to get sued.
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But what can I stand
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behind in terms of a headline
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that is fucking sensational
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is going to freak people out. Man
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he is not good with the English
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language.
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Truly it is amazing to listen to that man
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work. Yeah I've noticed that.
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And if you read his books
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kind of
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tell tale signs that he didn't write it is some of the
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sentences make sense?
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Some have commas
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in the right places.
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And then some use words that I'm like there's no way
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I'm going to use this word.
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You listen to thousands of hours of him
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talk and you get a sense of like alright
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this is his patois.
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So anyway he goes on to lie more
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about the study.
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And now we're sitting here
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while they're injecting
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medical workers in Colorado
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and other states
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with a live
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quote attenuated but it's still live
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Ebola
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shot. And then
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31% in their own government
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study shed it onto
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other people and they get sick.
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Just like
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the Pfizer shot and the Moderna
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shot and you're like well they got big balls.
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Yeah the sky's
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the limit folks. Yeah sky's the limit.
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So in that clip you see the layers of
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made up shit that Alex is working with.
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He says that people in other states are being
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given the shot. He can't prove that
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unless but he's just talking about
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his trials clinical trials
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and it was approved in 2019.
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Right. I don't know. So he's misrepresenting
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31% shedding number and
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making up out of thin air that people got sick because
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of it. He was making up that the
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Pfizer and Moderna shots cause shedding. Those are
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MRNA shots and literally cannot cause
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shedding because you aren't even being given a weakened
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version of the virus. I recognize
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that this might be a little bit repetitive but there's
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something going on that Alex is doing
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in this episode that I wanted to illustrate.
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He has a very poor grasp on the story
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he's covering and making it into
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the biggest news of the day. So he has to
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constantly repeat the basics of the story
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in order to get used to the beats of it.
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He's practicing and in one take
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he hits one exaggeration
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or fabrication. Then in the next he works
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in a second one. And as he goes along
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he combines them into the larger
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threads that make up the lie
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and then become the overarching narrative.
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We're essentially seeing conspiracy oral
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tradition in practice here.
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And it does not happen all the time.
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Like listening to his show you don't always
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hear this and this is a really clear cut
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example of it.
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Yeah and there's definitely that
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aspect that
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he brings that is so specific
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which is it can only be him
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in the writer's room.
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There's nobody there who's gonna be like
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no, edit that. Cut it
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down. It's gotta be something
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that's purely generated by this fucking
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idiot.
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And he
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goes on to practice some more here.
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So
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they are injecting
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How many years have we been doing this? And he's still here.
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Hospital workers
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you know there's other trials going on
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with a Ebola
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vaccine that
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creates
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this derivative of Ebola in the body
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that then replicates
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and then sheds
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onto other people.
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And then it lists here
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headaches, nausea
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comas, passing out
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bleeding sores, Ebola
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Ebola
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Ebola
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So I wanted to be sensational
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Bill Gates caught injecting
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healthcare workers with live Ebola
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That's really what it is
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Yeah that's pretty sensational
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Well you know
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That's illegal
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Let's talk about it coming up
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He's a public figure
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Probably
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Because
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if you look at the globalist war games
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they're constantly
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talking about
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Ebola hitting the United States
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or
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Europe
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and the panic
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it's going to create
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and
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how they're going to use that
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for control in their UN treaty
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So you can kind of feel like what
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Alex is doing is he's talking himself
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towards the edge of more sensationalism
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Yeah yeah yeah
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He's trying to justify and rationalize by
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inch by degree trying
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to get there to the end goal
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which is he wants to say that Bill Gates is trying to give
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everyone Ebola
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He's just trying to get there
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and fully understands what Ebola is
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I was trying to think of something
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and then I was like Ebola vaccine
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sheds then spreads
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Shedding and spreading
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That's a pretty fair headline because in my head
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it's like okay the headline you make people
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want to read further and then I was like
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ah ha ha ha Jordan you fool
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In Infowars world
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the headline should be all of the
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information that you are looking for
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and the idea of writing anything further than that
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is like that's what you do
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Infowars operates
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on the onion model
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It's mostly the headline
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I don't think
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Alex has a grasp on
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this virus
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Here's the problem
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Here's the problem
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and I think that's what he really exploits
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I don't think anybody other than
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a very very informed
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scientist has a clear grasp
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on Ebola
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Because that's fucking Ebola
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Do you know some broad strokes of it?
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Sure I know some broad strokes
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It's a virus, scary as shit
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It's got like a little curvy thing
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whenever they show it on a microscope I get it
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It's true there is that curvy thing
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It's a little curvy thing
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That's terrifying I get it
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but it's not like I understand Ebola
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and how Ebola is specific
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Ebola might as well be
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influenza might as well be
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A virus is a virus in my head
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Well then I guess I would advise you
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to do it a little more because you can
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I understand that I can
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I understand all that stuff but as far as
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functional knowledge for human beings as a whole
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I could
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look that up and I could know that for a very
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short period of time
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I think some of the unfamiliarity about it
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comes from a place of luxury
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that it is so disconnected from our
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realities that
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you don't need to know much about it other than it's scary
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For sure and that's what Alex
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can exploit
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It's not like something that's unique to
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Info Wars listeners that is kind of like
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stupid you know like I'm
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trying to point out that I don't know that
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much about viruses is all I'm really trying to say
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Well you didn't go to school for it
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I did not! And you don't write a substack so you're fucked
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Well if I did
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I would know less about viruses I feel like
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Based on my experience that might be true
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So there is a distorted
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list of adverse events here
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that are seen in the Ervebo
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from the trials that they've had
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I can't find comas listed anywhere
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and when he says bleeding sores
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I guess he just means mouth sores
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Bleeding sores yeah
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It doesn't sound quite as scary when it says mouth sores
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or whatever. I didn't see passing out
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listed but tiredness
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is on the list so I guess that's close enough
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for jazz When was the last time
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oh you've been
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you've got passing out
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disease what are you talking about?
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So in terms of actual
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analysis of adverse events the vaccine
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has relatively
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few it's
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a pretty safe profile
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for a vaccine
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So we all know what this is about
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Alex is sensationalizing like
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crazy and then dun dun dun
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Because once they're identified and once people
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admit the horror of what we're facing
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there's no way for the
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globalist to ever reverse this
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but we're headed to unprecedented times and now is the time
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to boost your immense system now is the time to be
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as healthy as possible now is the time to
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get the purified water and get as much sunlight
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as you can and now is the time
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to support free speech outlets
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that tell the truth
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and don't back down and we
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need funds to continue on plus see the products
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we've got so please go
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to info war store
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dot com right now
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and take advantage of our new
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big special
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it's all essentially leading to
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the call to action
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I think
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that there's a deeply unethical
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part of this that starts
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the ad with now it's time to boost your
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immune system like he's obviously
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using the specter
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and fear of Ebola to
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sell his products yeah I mean there's no
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he got a written letter from
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Leticia from
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New York right yeah
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it's the same thing it's the same thing
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so if he can keep doing it then that letter really doesn't
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mean fucking shit does it well there's a narrow
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set of actions that he took that caused
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that right this is within the realm
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of like shitty marketing
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behavior right it's not it's not
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it's not something that's going to get you a cease and desist
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sure it's just deeply unethical right
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I mean but by letting it happen
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now you understand that's what leads
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to the ceases and desists later
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yeah no I agree with you I just
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don't know if the government can take action on something
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like that whereas we can call it out
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and be like go fuck yourself you don't
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so now it says
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something sad to discuss
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oh no and that is that
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well
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it's about Robert F. Kennedy
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and here is a
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Jezebel article and it reports on
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a do you read
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Jezebel?
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Variety report an interview with the wife
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of
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RFK Jr.
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Cheryl
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Heinz seems cool
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with RFK Jr's conspiracy theories
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but draws the line on Alex Jones
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and then she goes on to say
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ouch that really hurts
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she tells her husband don't associate with
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Alex Jones and with Steve Bannon
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and that he follows her orders
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Cheryl
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Cheryl
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well it's not like I need him to come on my show
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that would just add to his credibility
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but it's all right here
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wow your wife
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tells you
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it's an interview they're quoting an interview here
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I don't just believe the media when I see it
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this is her on a podcast
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RFK Jr's wife
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has him by the balls
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that's sad right there
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that's sad man
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Alex is lamenting that
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Cheryl Heinz won't let RFK associate
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with him anymore
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Cheryl Heinz won't let me hang out with RFK
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I hate the present
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I want to go back to the past
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I don't even care which past
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the present involves sentences like
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Cheryl Heinz won't let Alex Jones
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play with RFK anymore
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I do think that there was a past where I
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didn't know that Cheryl Heinz was married to RFK Jr
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and that was more pleasant
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it was a better past
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I gotta say that Alex has a weird line
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there where he says I'm not just
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believing the media this links to a podcast
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so you didn't listen to the podcast
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you are just believing the media
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you didn't consult the primary source
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links to the primary source and I didn't
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follow up on it
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that in a nutshell
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is so much like
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that is the level
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that's do your own research
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that's what Alex is talking about
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when he says do your own research
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go find somebody that says this thing
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go find somebody
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but if they have a link
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then it's real
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if you hyperlink then you're real
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if a place doesn't hyperlink
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if there's no hyperlinks that's just some asshole
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talking
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and in the case of some
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outlets that's generally
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maybe you don't need to go
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as deep
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sure
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but it's something that's going to be exploited
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that mind trick
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they wouldn't include a link if it didn't prove exactly
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what they said
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you wouldn't hypertext something
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to nowhere
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this is a blog post by Dr Marbles
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what is going on?
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so this whole show is basically
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up to this point
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and maybe for a while
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just repetition of this narrative
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it is just getting the beats worked out
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by the way
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print me all the articles I asked you to show earlier
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headline AP Reuters
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majority of polio caused by polio vaccine
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that's going to be very useful to show
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how that's a live virus too
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and the same thing
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is injecting healthcare workers
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in Colorado and other states
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with live Ebola
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and they're shedding it
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working down the street with a Pentagon project
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studying Ebola
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you know it's a Pentagon project
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old headlines Pentagon cigarette release bio weapon
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killed people in New York subways
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1968
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it's the same thing now
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our Pentagon is seized by globalists
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by eugenicists that are at war with us
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our military on average isn't bad
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that's why they're being purged to give experimental shots
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and talk critical race theory and transgenderism
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because they're purged in the military
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military is great but not the leadership
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what?
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so print me those articles I had you pull up earlier
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I want to show that
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dovetailing with all this to explain it next hour
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with Dr Richard Martlet and other expert guests
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on this huge
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breaking now news story
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the government with Bill Gates
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is injecting medical workers
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with an Ebola vaccine that creates Ebola
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like symptoms and spreads
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oh my gosh
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and please support us
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please go to mfullwarstore.com
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and get amazing products
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like next level foundational
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energy yeah these products are great
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so one aspect of what Alex is doing
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is practicing the narratives and working out
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the beats where he wants to exaggerate things
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but another aspect
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is just repeatedly driving the narrative into the
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audience's head he says this over
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and over and over because if you do that
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there's a better chance that your audience is just going to take that
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on as true whatever you're saying
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in this clip Alex has directly
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connected the healthcare workers who were
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vaccinated with the Colorado State University
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bat lab which is apparently a
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pentagon project now too
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it's just down the street after all
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the healthcare workers are in Denver and the
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CSU lab is in Fort Collins it's a good
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70 miles away just down the road
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when the road's a highway
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also Alex is going to need to show that the lab
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is a pentagon project and just
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thinking about some
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unconnected incident from the 60s isn't going to
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help they got an NIH grant
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but that's not going to cut it in terms of Alex's
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claim either another problem with
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Alex's narrative is the Fort Collins lab is
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explicitly not going to be studying
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Ebola it does not have
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the clearance to do that and the bats
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they're going to be studying are going to
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be born there free
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from wild diseases so there's no chance
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that Ebola is just going to randomly pop up in
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that environment right one of the reasons
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there's no chance it'll randomly
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pop up in that environment you get it
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you get it so you can see how
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Alex has this narrative that's built up
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from all these distortions of various
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aspects of these two stories and on
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their own they don't really do much but when
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they're combined they form into a really
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powerful clickbait story that's going to
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be useful to freak the audience out
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that's what he's practicing on air here
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the best way to combine his lies in an effective
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thesis statement that conveys the right
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amount of terror to the audience to get them
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to go to infowarsstore.com
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yeah I was thinking about the
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distance there and you know
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in my head from
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stand up driving you know all that 70 miles
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eh it's about an hour that's practically nothing
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but then you think like okay
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70 miles but they're carrying
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coolers with like super deadly murder
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viruses kill the whole world kind of stuff
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you don't want to be driving that far
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you don't want to be driving an hour
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you don't want to be driving 10 minutes
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that should be walking distance
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you know what I'm saying? You know who you call
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Smokey and the Bandit
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Oh yeah for a convoy?
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There's bats in East Arcana
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I think that would work
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They're thirsty but they've got vaccines
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in Atlanta
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There's bats in Texarkana
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I'm developing a plan alright
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so we're in our high
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situation we get Dr. Dick
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Bart alright we
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infect him with Ebola
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that way he gets back into that
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hospital that he's not allowed to unless he's
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sick
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no cause then he would have to
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go to the one in Denver
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that's the only one in Denver? Well actually no
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cause he's in Texas I'm not sure
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there's regional centers that cover
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a number of states I'm not sure if that Denver one
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covers Texas I did not
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no it doesn't cause there is a Texas
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there's one of those centers in Texas
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alright well then my plan is starting to come together
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no it's foiled ah shit wrong hospital
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so anyway Alex rattles off his
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evidence here and I think that this is
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worth paying attention to
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and they're giving this experimental shot
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to medical workers and we have the
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studies that 30 plus percent are shedding
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it how is it doing it
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what's happening and why is Dr. Bartlet
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saying medical doctor
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this is so dangerous I think we can all
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Why do you have to repeat medical doctor?
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Let me say more about you
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with us right now
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Ebola vaccine that sheds
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onto and infects
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others
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Shed it don't spread it
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Ebola vaccine that sheds
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onto and infects others
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31 percent of the time given to Colorado
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health care workers just down the road from the new Ebola
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bat lab in Colorado
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here is the immune Colorado
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announcement Denver health medical team receives
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Ebola vaccine
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give me an overhead shot
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I'm going to show people this this is from the local
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government here's
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the actual breakdown of the so called Ebola
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vaccine from the FDA
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there's the document there
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a randomized controlled trial of Ebola vaccine
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disease therapeutics what these
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vaccines have done all the outbreaks they've caused
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shame Bill Gates backed live
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Ebola vaccine distributed before Africa's
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2016, 2018, 2020,
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2021, 2022 outbreaks
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was just given to Colorado health care workers
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US Army now developing new
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Ebola
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medicines so
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it's not hard to see what's happening
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here this is crazy
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what are they doing giving a vaccine that sheds
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of a deadly pathogen
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to
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health care workers this is a
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big big deal
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from the evidence I've seen
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it's ultra illegal
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ultra illegal
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that's a legal
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designation I would hate to be doing
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something ultra illegal
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that sounds like a lot of evidence that Alex
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rattled off I really don't think it does
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it feels kind of like he has this thing
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well documented there were a bunch of headlines
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I genuinely don't think I understand
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exactly what it was he was even trying to apply
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really so what I'm going to do here
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is I'm going to take that clip and I'm going to go
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one by one through the headlines
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that he used
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and illustrate why this is a pile of
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nothing so here's the first one
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Ebola vaccine that sheds onto
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and infects others 31% of the time
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given to Colorado health care workers just
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down the road from the new Ebola bat lab
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in Colorado so that
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headline is an article on John Fleetwood
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substack where he misrepresents that study
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about shedding in children that study
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doesn't show that anyone was infected
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by this that's a fabrication on Fleetwood's
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part which is why Alex is using the
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substack post as a source instead of the
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actual study it would be a yeah also
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the bat lab isn't down the road and they aren't
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studying Ebola John's substack post
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doesn't prove any of this it's just asserted in
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the headline which is the only part of any
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of this that Alex pays attention to
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further John's post straight up
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lies for instance he says
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the CSU lab quote proposals
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for the 14,000 square foot
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facility indicate the lab could
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store and study some of the most deadly
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or transmissible pathogens on the planet
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including Ebola Nipah virus
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and COVID-19 you can find
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the grant summary for this
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bat lab and they say in it quote
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pathogens transmitted by bat vectors
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continue to burden the health of humans
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around the world as evident by
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the number of emerging zoonotic viruses
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that cause high mortality in humans that
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originate in bats SARS-CoV
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MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2
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Ebola virus Marburg virus
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Nipah virus and Hendra virus
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then there's a side note
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right off to the side we're not fucking with
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any of those it says quote CSU
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does not and will not have these
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pathogens on any of
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its campuses these pathogens require
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the highest level of biosafety in a laboratory
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CSU does not have laboratories with these
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capabilities research on these pathogens
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take place in other states with
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specially equipped laboratories so
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the proposal says the opposite of what John
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Substack is saying new headline
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nah nah nah nah nah nah
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nah nah nah nah bat lab
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it's not bad there's something
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there so here's the next headline Alex
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has instead of that one which I wish he had
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alright here is the immune
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Colorado announcement Denver health medical team
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receives Ebola vaccine
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give me an overhead
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shot I'm gonna show people this this is from the
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local government so that is a real headline
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and so we've established thus far that some
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healthcare workers got a vaccine
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that is an uncontroversial fact no one
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is disputing that healthcare
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happening so here's the next one
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here's the actual breakdown of the so-called
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Ebola vaccine from
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the FDA there's the document there
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so that's the FDA's page
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including the approval of this
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vaccine from 2019 and discussion
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of evidence of its efficacy
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this doesn't further any of Alex's narratives
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FDA does job
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so we've established those two things
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basically and then John Substack was
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nonsense here's the next headline
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alright a randomized controlled trial of Ebola
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vaccine disease therapeutics what these
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vaccines have done all the outbreaks
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they've caused that's about therapeutics
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like monoclonal antibodies this has nothing
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to do with vaccines but Alex doesn't know that
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because he hasn't read it and he doesn't understand
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this headline that he's cold reading
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claimed he was read all these for
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two hours such bullshit
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yeah that's dark so here's the last headline
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Shane Bill Gates backed live
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Ebola vaccine distributed before Africa's
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2016, 2018, 2021,
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2022 outbreaks
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was just given to Colorado healthcare workers
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US Army now developing new
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Ebola
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medicines so this is just another
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headline from John Fleetwood Substack
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posting that doesn't go on
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to justify its assertion I noticed
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that this is pretty much all
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John Fleetwood stuff
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and it made it click for me that this is like
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Alex is reading off this headline about therapeutics
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and he thinks it's about virus
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the vaccine excuse me it made me understand
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that he doesn't understand the story he's
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covering it all and he's making it up as it goes along
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but part of that Fleetwood blog post
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about shedding included complaints about
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the use of remdesivir as one of the
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therapeutics people were trying in relation
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to Ebola and he links to that
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New England Journal of Medicine article
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that Alex thinks is about vaccines
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it seems clear to me that John Fleetwood
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just sent all this over to Alex
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he didn't read the therapeutics article
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nor John Substack posts
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and has just made up his own story about it
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the more I see how much of this is
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just kind of an ad for John Substack
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whether it's paid or not
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it's all just panic about Ebola
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go to my store
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and read John Substack
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either way whatever the case this is a mountain of evidence
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that Alex is presenting behind his narrative
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and none of it means anything
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he can fool his audience by rattling off a ton of headlines
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in a row but if you take the time to assess them
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individually and see what he's talking about
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and where it comes from you'll find that he hasn't proven anything
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which is your instinct to begin with
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so I think you were right on
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you know what I find fascinating about that
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is that that is in essence
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intelligence failures
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across the board whenever you have
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like 9-11
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yes you have all of the
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information you have more than enough
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information so much information
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so that if you hand it all
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to somebody they're not going to be able to
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make any decision other than to pick out the
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information they already like
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and pursue that
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I mean it's all noise to Alex
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and there's no
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actual signal coming through
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unless you have signal clear
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then you're fucked
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well thankfully we have these
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two anti-vax weirdos on
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to clear up the signal
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I don't think that's good
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so here's Richard Bartlett showing up
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never before have we had
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anyone in Denver, Colorado
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or in Colorado at all
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vaccinated for Ebola
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so this is history making two months ago
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why would they be doing that?
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they said they're doing it in preparation for a potential
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Ebola outbreak
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why would they be thinking that's possible?
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well there's a lab being created
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down the street from Denver
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in Colorado Springs
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where literally it's advertising
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that they will be doing
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bat research and it has been reported
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that they will be working with Ebola
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Nipah virus and
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COVID so notice the way that Bartlett
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said that there it's been reported
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that the lab is going to work with Ebola and all this stuff
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that's a crafty work around
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where someone can kind of lie without
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technically lying I mean if somebody
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says something a synonym for
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saying something is reporting
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and if I say somebody is
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reporting something that's like
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reporters reporting something
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so I was asking myself it's been reported
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but by whom? is it just John
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Fleetwood's substack post?
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so that post on his substack
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has a source which is a Daily Mail article
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which doesn't have any proof but it says
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proposals seen by this website
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show how the 14,000 square foot
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facility could store and study
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some of the most transmissible pathogens
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on the planet including Ebola, Nipah
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virus and COVID-19
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so I put these documents in the article
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and I can easily find the grant proposal
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abstract that explicitly says the opposite
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so I guess the burden of proof is on them
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which hasn't been reached
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so I can see that what they might be misrepresenting
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is that these conditions very well may be studied
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elsewhere using the bats that are born and
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raised in the Colorado lab
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that is in question but that research
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will be being done elsewhere
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so I dug into this a little bit and I think I found
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out what's going on there's two
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different grants and they're being
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confused and conflated together
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everything that I've said is accurate
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about the Colorado State University bat lab
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that got this grant but there's
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a second grant for a different thing
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that is also at
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CSU. Right, right, right
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like that time I confused Horace Grant
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and Hugh Grant. Big mistake.
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Love Actually was the wrong movie
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that I was, yeah. Hugh Grant doesn't wear
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the goggles. No, doesn't wear goggles at all.
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So this is for research that's
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being done by a doctor named
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Tony Shontz. The part
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that has like with Ebola, Nipah virus and that
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stuff. Uh huh. He runs a lab at the
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Center for Vector-Born Infectious Diseases
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which is associated with the
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Colorado State University. Sure.
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This is a BSL-3 level lab that
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has been around for decades that does work with
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insect as well as bat related
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diseases. Shontz got a
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similar grant with the title quote
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establishment of a bat resource for infectious
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disease research awarded in
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September 2023 whereas
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the grant for the bat lab is titled
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quote establishment of the bat resource
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center for the study of
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zoonotic diseases and that was awarded two
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years prior and it is
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run by a completely different professor at
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the school. Right. Even so
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this other lab is not going to be dealing
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with Ebola. That's work that
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they may be associated with or
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participate in those studies but that's being done
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at a different location where there's BSL-4
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facilities and everything.
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You can look through the papers published by people
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at this lab and when they involve
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BSL-4 pathogens like
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Ebola the research is done elsewhere
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like in the case of a 2018 study
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on snakes and Ebola that was done
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at the United States Army Medical Research
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Institute of Infectious Diseases.
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Their grant application mentions
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some of these more serious pathogens
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because that lab is actually studying those
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but they're doing it elsewhere.
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Here's what I think is funny about that.
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We never stood a chance.
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No. The moment that happened
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everybody should have been like, oh is this
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a good idea?
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This was going to happen. So the issue
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that we come to at the bottom of this
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is that there are these two
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different grants that are being mixed up and conflated.
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Right. And the Daily Mail article
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is relying on documents that were shown
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to them by the White Coat Waste Project
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which is a right wing animal rights
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activist group and it appears that they may
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have gotten some of their facts wrong. I'm sorry?
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Whether it's through sloppy handling
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of facts or through intentional misrepresentation
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I can't say, but it appears
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that these two bat related grants
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involving Colorado State University
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have been turned into the same thing by figures of
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the conspiracy and right wing media and that's
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how we've gotten to the place that we're at now.
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Right, right, right. I'm still confused
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about Nazis that don't
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torture animals. I'm confused about
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this whole idea.
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That's wild.
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Yeah, I
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didn't look too deeply
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into them. Yeah, I would like more
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information on these silly people.
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I mean, look, I think that
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caring about animals isn't exclusive to the right.
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Or the left, excuse me.
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I'm not saying that it is.
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I think caring about animals is
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certainly a great thing that all human beings do.
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Organizing around it. Organizing
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around it and right wing
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principles seems very difficult
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to do, though. I think
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some of it may be a cover
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for anti-vax beliefs because a lot
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of the stuff that I found on their website
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was about, like, the Wuhan
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lab and shit. You need to free animal testing
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clinics, but really we're not
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caring about the animals so much as we are making sure
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that all scientists are murdered. I don't
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want to say that for sure that they don't care
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about animals because they very well may. Sure.
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I don't know enough about the subject. We all care about animals.
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But it does seem like a lot of their coverage is
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about anti-vax stuff. I've seen a lot of that.
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So, um, that's what's going on
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with this lab shit. Sure. There are two
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different grants that no one is realizing
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that they're talking about the wrong one. Right.
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And so there we are. And if they are,
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they really don't care and they
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wouldn't want you to know anyways. Yeah.
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I detect obliviousness. Yeah, yeah.
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No, totally. But, I mean, even if they did know,
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it'd be like, well, we're just gonna...
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It's better for us if shit's the same. Sure.
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Yeah. So Alex has
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said hello to Bartlett, and now he
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throws it to the old Fleetwood.
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Alright. I want to spend a few minutes with your
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highly recommended investigative journalist. If you're not
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familiar with his work, John Fleetwood,
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johnfleetwood.com and on Substack.
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John, you've been helping Cola to get this
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all together. We've got about three minutes, four minutes to break.
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Give us your view on what you're witnessing.
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Well, if
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I can, General Jones, it's
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an honor to be on your show. No.
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I've been listening to you for a long time. I learned how to read and
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report the news from you and your crew.
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And if I could, I would just like
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to recommend that everybody get Survival Shield
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on infowarstore.com. I haven't
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gotten sick since I've been taking that.
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Bad start. They just, it's like,
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it's like they, it's like a
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call and response thing.
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Just, you know, like, uh, you're welcome
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to the show. Hey, I love, uh, whatever
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crazy product you're selling your ass
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off today. You taught me how to
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report the news. Get ready to get
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sued down the road somewhere then, buddy.
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Cause you are, you've been taught an
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irresponsible model. His, his
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monotone sounds almost computerized.
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It's bad.
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You think it's a Klaus Schwab AI?
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It has that vibe. It has a vibe to it.
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It's not good. Well, let's hear a little bit
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more of him and see what you, oh, I agree
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with that. And Alex gets real fucking
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bored of him. I believe that. I believe that
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strongly. Apparently the compliments
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and flattery are not enough in this
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case. But here, listen to a little more
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of him. So what, what I like to do
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is see the whole picture here
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and how everything is connected.
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The Ervivo vaccine
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is, uh,
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made by Merck,
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a pharmaceutical company.
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And Merck is owned by
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BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street.
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Alex, you report on those asset managers a lot.
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Uh, BlackRock has $10 trillion
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under management.
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That's more than the GDP of every country
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in the world leaving out the, the
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US and China. Big things to
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leave out. That's the problem
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here. That's how it connects with the WEF.
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Oh, okay.
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So seeing the whole picture is code for drawing
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connections wherever I want to in order to write
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a fun story. Vanguard holds
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9.18% of
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Merck's stock, BlackRock 5.13%,
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and State Street 4.57%.
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Sure. Even
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combined, they don't represent a controlling
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interest. Even if you add in the
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stuff that's held in mutual funds that
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they control, you know, of Merck's stock, it's still
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only a few percentage points
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more than that. Sure. All said, the
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three companies are about 30% of the
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stock, which is a lot. But Yahoo
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financed it in analysis and found that, quote,
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25 of the top shareholders
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collectively own less than 50%
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of share register, but also
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found that only 22% of the stock
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was held by the general public. Sure. So it's not a
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great picture, but it's not what he's saying.
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Fleetwood has taken some stuff he's got
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out of context about Merck's stock in order
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to connect the manufacturer of the Ebola vaccine
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to BlackRock, Vanguard, and State
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Street, which then allows him to connect it to the World
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Economic Forum and the boogeyman of the
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season, Klaus Schwab. Yeah. Seems like
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there's an easier path to this.
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The World Health Organization
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I think you could just draw even
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but it's fun to talk about BlackRock, State
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Street, and Vanguard. You know what? Here's my problem.
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Here's my ultimate problem with all these fuckers.
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Alright? This is what I-
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down to brass tacks. Brass it.
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Brass tacks, alright? Fuck all
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your conspiracy theories. If you're gonna
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pull this shit, take one of them
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down. Alright? Get all your conspiracy
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nuts, take down Vanguard
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or whatever, and then see what
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happens to just see like, oh,
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does any of this connection shit actually
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make any fucking sense? Knock over
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a domino and then see where the rest of them
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fall. Stop telling me about it. Well, they're also
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So annoying. Well, they're also like ignoring
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I thought it was funny because like Charles Schwab
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also owns a lot of those stocks. Yeah, exactly.
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It's like, I think maybe you don't bring that up because
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it confuses you to be Schwabs. It would make people think
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they're too many, yeah. Oh, Klaus
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and Charles, are they brothers? Are they working
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together? Yeah, fuck it. Oh my god.
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So when you say knock down one of the dominoes, do you mean
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what do you mean? Ah, just knock it over.
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Okay. However, however
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they choose to interpret that sentence
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The point is... I don't know if that's possible
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on an individual level, but
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Sure, no, but that's what I'm saying, alright?
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In your head, if you imagine
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the absence of this one
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company, what does that then
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imply? Right. Yeah.
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That exercise would be
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difficult. Yeah. Because it's all connected, baby.
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That's how this is all
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connected. The W.E.F.
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is the head. Maybe
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you can go behind that and point to the Rothschilds
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and the Rockefellers. Maybe
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you can do that, but what we conclude beyond
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any doubt is that the W.E.F.
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is pushing this depopulation agenda,
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their great reset at the end of which you'll loan nothing
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and you'll be happy. They have as an
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official partner, BlackRock, this asset manager
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who owns all of the pharmaceutical industry.
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They also own all the news industry
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from CNN, ABC,
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CBS, to Fox News.
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So the same asset managers
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who run all the news agencies
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from Fox News to CNN, it doesn't matter if it's
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left or right, or if it's mainstream, it's owned and
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controlled by BlackRock, who's a partner with the
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W.E.F. This is a real boardwalk and partnership.
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They also own all the pharmaceutical industries from
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Pfizer is owned by BlackRock.
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AstraZeneca is owned by BlackRock. Johnson & Johnson
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is owned by BlackRock. So they own the government
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responses, they own the regulations, they own everything.
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And now they're injecting people with live Ebola
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in Colorado. I mean, it's just,
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what an incredible scandal. Amazing scandal.
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See, now this is
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what I'm talking about, alright.
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Because this is fucked. You can't do that.
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You cannot do that shit. Because now
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you have said they own the media, which is already
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something that I hate. They own
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the government, which is already something I hate.
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They own all the fucking pharmaceutical
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companies. You have accidentally
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concentrated too much power in too small
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a space. In an imaginary
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villain. Yeah, because in this case,
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now there's only one answer, which is let's go fuck those
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guys up. Right now. Because
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there's no alternative.
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You're totally disempowered.
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I can't be in the
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media, that doesn't mean anything.
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If you try to get a message out into the media,
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they'll just destroy you. Yep.
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They own the government, so you can't get any
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reform through. What's so important for
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these is the aspect
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of it's possible to make change from
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the inside. You know, there has to
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be that level of like, if
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we stop this, if we get the Patriots
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in the stuff, if we do the right
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thing, you can't concentrate too much power
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there, because then the answer suddenly becomes
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okay, well then we'll get 30 guys and we'll
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kill this guy. And that's what we have
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to do. Well maybe that's where your mind goes,
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but the other alternative is read my
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sub-stack. That's a good point.
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I had not considered that. Because when you
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disempower an audience so heavily
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the way you're describing, there
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is the reaction that is like, well now we
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go Project Mayhem. And then there's also
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the reaction that's like, well I can't really do anything
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about this, I better support the people who are
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fighting, and those people are Alex,
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John.
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But that's the thing, I agree with you,
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I just don't understand the support
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the people part, because to me it's like, well
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anything that isn't solving
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the problem that you have clearly
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laid out, there's no
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mistaking it. Yeah, but there's
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this imaginary premise that's built
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in that once we expose that this is
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the reality, we can do something
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about it or whatever. See, you just
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can't make them too powerful.
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That makes your options so limited.
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It should. It should make it that way.
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But somehow, you know, everybody's
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just in a passive state of
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taking this information in.
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I'm the fool thinking that things matter.
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So it is true that asset management companies
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represent a significant problem that we need
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to address through greater regulation
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and likely breaking them up, but
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just pretend that they control everything,
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it's a lazy cop-out. What does it mean
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to someone like John Fleetwood that BlackRock owns
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these companies? It doesn't mean anything
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in his world, because it's not a concrete claim,
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it's just a shortcut to connect various threads
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together. Honestly, this stuff does
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make me kind of mad, maybe not as mad as you,
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but I'm a little mad. I'm an angrier person.
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Because companies like BlackRock, Vanguard,
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and State Street are an issue we need to deal with,
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but shit like this will never begin to mount actual
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opposition to the companies, except for
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hypothetically what you're talking about,
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like blowing up a Vanguard center.
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No, I don't mean it, you know what I mean.
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No, I mean, I think that what you're saying is
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that that is a conclusion that
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if you take in John's
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premise of them, you're
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saying go over and fuck them up.
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In the world we exist in, you can say
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these guys are a problem. Okay,
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so now we have legislation on
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the table that's going to curb the amount of
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that you can own at, that's
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a way we can handle this. Antitrust
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is something that has been done in the past,
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it is possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Teddy Roosevelt,
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blah, blah, blah, blah. You have now
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established, though, that the same
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people who I would be regulating if
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I got into government my own damn
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self, own it. So
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I can't do that.
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There's no avenue other than
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violence or an aspect
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of something, you know, like subterfuge
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or like stealing it.
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Or what is essentially submission in the form
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of just... Yeah, or just saying like, eh, fuck
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it, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and it's a
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creating an impotence
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in terms of dealing with the actual
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problem, which to me is
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really frustrating, because you just turn them
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into a boogeyman that you
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pretend to fight against and you're not. You're not
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fighting against anything. No, I find
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them so much more terrifying
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because they don't care.
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Like Alex and John? No,
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no, no, the Blackracks and the Vanguards
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and all that. Like, if
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I believed that they were
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trying to kill us all, I would at least
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be like, well, at least they acknowledge that other
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human beings exist. I think the most
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terrifying aspect of them is that they
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don't care. Like, they own
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5% of Merck, but that's just
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because they get a better return on investment.
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Yeah. It has nothing to do with
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pharmacy. It doesn't mean anything.
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We'll get 5% extra
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compared to if we invested in this.
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It means nothing to us. Human
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beings are nothing to us.
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That's scary. Yeah, and
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to whatever extent the
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individuals within the company
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may have some humanistic feelings
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and stuff like that, that is probably the case.
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But as an entity, it
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is a bottom line issue.
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Yeah, it does suck. But anyway,
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my large point is that
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this is just, as we've
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illustrated, disempowering boogeyman
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nonsense that doesn't help anything.
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So Bartlett comes back in.
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The number one
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cause of polio now in
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Africa is the live
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virus vaccine
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virus. And so what could
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happen with a live Ebola
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virus vaccine that they have already started
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to use in Colorado?
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We can only imagine.
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But we need to
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intervene and stop this
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gain-of-function genetic
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engineering with deadly viruses.
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It's supposed to be a level
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four bio-safety lab
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if it's going to work with Ebola.
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And it's been reported that that lab is
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supposed to be a level two,
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which is not supposed
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to be working with Ebola.
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So we need to have more information.
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We need eyes on this. We need everybody
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scrutinizing what's going
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on with that lab right now
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in Colorado Springs. So you can see
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how much of this traces back to and
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relies on misrepresentations about the polio
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vaccine and insisting that this one,
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this vaccine, is the same. It's sloppy.
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So Bartlett wanted people to look into this stuff,
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so I have, and I found that his work is shit.
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The lab's in Fort Collins, not Colorado
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Springs. They aren't doing gain-of-function
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research. The lab that works with the more
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dangerous diseases is a completely different
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lab associated with CSU.
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And that one is a BSL-3 lab.
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There are just countless errors with the
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narrative that's being put forth. And that's
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because this isn't an organic conspiracy,
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which is to say, it's a conspiracy that
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begins with a conclusion and is working
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backwards to fill in the details.
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I scrutinize the information presented.
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I have eyes on this, as Bartlett
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has requested, and I find it all lacking.
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It is shit. If
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I was concerned
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about a lab having a disease
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potentially capable of killing a large
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number of people, and possibly people
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planning to release it through that,
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the absolute last
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thing that I would want is a bunch of
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my conspiracy weirdos around
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the lab. Even
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if, even if I know for
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a fact there are evil, shady businesses
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going on with there, they are only
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going to cause more problems than they are
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helped the situation. Well, the good news
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is the lab that they're all worked
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up about isn't the right one. That's also
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good news. So, in terms of
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the damage they can do, it's probably
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negligible. But also, they
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can still harass the shit out of people and make
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them miserable, and that's really inappropriate.
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Sure. And that's undoubtedly
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happening. Again, don't fuck with people
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near any disease labs.
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Why are disease labs a place that you would be like
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let's go hang around there? Then you shouldn't be
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hanging around there. Not a cool place. They should be under
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domes of God. I'm all about domes. I'm telling
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you, domes are huge for you. You love a dome.
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I love a dome. So,
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Fleetwood comes back in.
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And I gotta say, I'm worried about this guy.
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Uh oh. Listen to this shit. Okay.
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So, what I do, for example, for
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my COVID research, is
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I go to PubMed,
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I type COVID,
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and I type vaccine.
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I hit enter, and then I
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sort by date. So, I get the most recent
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peer-reviewed studies right there at the top.
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And all I do is I go looking for oil.
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I go reading through all the
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most recent headlines with those
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two keywords. There's usually about
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a dozen, sometimes more. For some reason,
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with the turn of the new year, there have been a
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lot more studies that have been coming out, talking about
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COVID and vaccines. Give me one thing you learned that you didn't
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expect. You go looking through the headlines for
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something that you think, there might be oil there.
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You click it. You then go read
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the abstract, which you're always quoting
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on your show, the abstracts
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of these studies. Anybody can read these. And if you
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can't read them, just copy the
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stinkin' thing, plug it into
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ChatGPT, or plug it into
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whatever AI,
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type simplify, and hit enter.
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And it'll simplify. You dumb it down
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as much as you want. Explain this to a kid. Explain
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this to a high schooler.
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Explain this to me like I'm five.
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Sometimes you have to do that with some of these studies.
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But anybody can do that.
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That is bad. That's a bad process.
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Okay, so during
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Prohibition, the
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government very
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wisely was like,
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let's poison a bunch of beer.
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And then when people drink it, they'll be like, let's not
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drink beer anymore. And then later on,
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the government was like, we murdered a lot
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of people by poisoning the beer.
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Right? I feel like that
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is exactly what is happening when that guy
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says like, just put it into ChatGPT.
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Like, you are poisoning
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a lot of fuckin' people with this.
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Information wise, you're insane. I mean,
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what you're doing is a shit
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process. I mean, that's insane.
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There's multiple levels of shit
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process that are going on here.
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There's the relying on AI to
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explain things to you. Everything about that is wrong.
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Not good. Not good.
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Second, there is the
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I'm just gonna go on a fishing expedition
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for COVID vaccine stories
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and studies that seem appealing to
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me. That's not good.
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Here's what I don't want to hear from a PhD
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candidate. My research
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process was I picked two words
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and skimmed. That's not
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good. And then I had a robot help me.
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Not good enough.
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So I gotta say,
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I'm worried about this guy. I'm worried.
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I'm worried, yeah. They love Bill Gates
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even though you look at him, and
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he looks like, you say, he looks like a
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gargoyle, and he doesn't look healthy
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at all. Like, we're taking
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health advice from somebody
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who doesn't lift, who
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doesn't go to InfohorseStore.com and
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take those supplements to feel great
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and look great. And this guy,
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who, by the way, says his favorite meal
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is a hamburger,
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we're listening to this guy for advice.
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Can you believe it? He doesn't lift!
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Alright, sir, I apologize
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for this, but a Swirly is about to
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commence. Yeah. Fucking dorky.
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He doesn't go to
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InfohorseStore and buy all those
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great products. Excuse me, Swirly.
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Guah! Are you, is this a job
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interview? That is ridiculous. What are you doing?
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He doesn't buy all the great
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products at the, fuck you.
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Jesus. It's pretty impressive
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stuff. Lay it on thicker.
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Christ. So we get to some actual information
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that Freewood is bringing to the table, because at this
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point Bartlett's lunch break is over and he's got to
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go back to the clinic. He's got to go back to the, yeah.
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Alex is just left with this guy. Sure.
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And so here's something. The insert
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for the
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Vivo vaccine that they're giving to these Denver
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health workers in Colorado,
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it says that they
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can detect viruses
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in the saliva
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and urine of the vaccinated
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individuals
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for up to 28 days.
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Now that doesn't mean that they went
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looking and they did the studies and tested
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it for a year or two years to find out how long
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it was and it's only 28 days.
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They're just saying, 28
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days at least. That's a flat
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out lie. From the FDA insert
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quote, viral shedding was greatest on day
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seven and declined thereafter with no
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shedding detected after day 28.
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John is making this up because
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he's just consulting the FDA insert
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instead of reading the study that that's based on,
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which is the study that we discussed earlier.
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Because he doesn't know the underlying
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source, he doesn't know that this study actually
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did track the children for three months
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and found that there was no shedding after day
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28 and none after the second
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dose for those that got the second dose.
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So that's the problem
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when you go fishing
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is that once you've caught what you're looking for
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you don't then go follow up on it.
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You go home and you fry up
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your fish.
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You know, just
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when you're looking for oil
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and the oil that he's looking for is shit that
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will freak out my anti-vax audience.
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So like, yeah, his process is
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shit, leads him to bad
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information and... Hey, it's
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black, it comes from the ground and it smells
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terrible, it can't be shit, it's gotta be oil.
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Bingo.
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Bingo.
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So here's Fleetwood saying some more dumb stuff.
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This very same vaccine
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made by Merck, who's an
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official partner of the World Economic Forum
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owned by BlackRock Vanguard State
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Street. And Disney World?
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ERVEBO
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vaccine that we've been talking about
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was given in mass
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campaigns across
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Africa before
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the 2016 outbreak,
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before the 2018 outbreak,
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before the 2020 outbreak,
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before the 2021 outbreak,
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and before the 2022
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outbreak at least.
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So these are reported in major
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mainstream... And that's the biggest takeaway is
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they give these shots, outbreaks happen.
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So are you expecting an outbreak in Colorado?
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Well,
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we're not Nostradamus
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and the answer's yes.
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What are you doing?
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You don't even have to be fucking serious.
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You don't want to predict something like this,
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but it's highly, highly
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suspect and it's in mainstream
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sources. It's highly, highly suspect.
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How do you not fucking know how to do this?
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I think that is probably the way to do this
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cause, you know, you don't want to be on the hook
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for saying yes in case nothing happens.
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But you say yes! You probably should
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say yes. You just say yes. Alex wants you to say yes.
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Even if you're a regular doctor, you're
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like...
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So I consulted John's substack article about
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this and he fails to demonstrate that these vaccines were
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given out before the outbreaks he's listing off.
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He does need to prove
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chronological and causal connection
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in order to make the sort of claims that he's making and he does
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nothing of the sort. Further, he doesn't seem
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to have any understanding of the ring vaccination
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paradigm that they used where the vaccines
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were given out after
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identification of cases due to people who
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had close contact with the person infected
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like a ring around them.
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Take for example the 2018
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outbreak that began in the Kivu provinces
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of the DRC. John says
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that Merck approved sending the DRC
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7,500 doses
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in May 2018 and then in August
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2018 there was an outbreak.
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He does nothing to illustrate that those doses were
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administered to anybody when in reality
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it could just be that they stockpiled those
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for use whenever an outbreak did
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come. He needs to illustrate this and
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that's how it works. Or in the case of the
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2021 outbreak he says that
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in November 2020 the WHO
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announced that they had vaccinated more
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than 40,000 people in the course of
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that outbreak in the DRC which
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was declared over. Then
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in February 2021 there was
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another outbreak in the DRC.
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These were in entirely different
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locations. The outbreak that had ended
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in 2020 was in the Ecuador province
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and in the February 2021
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one was in the North Kivu province.
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They're distinct from one another so
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claiming that vaccinations in one region
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caused the outbreak in the other is going to
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require a little bit more work on John's part
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which he has not done.
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You know what I find fascinating?
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Actually not fascinating.
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Sad. Terrifying and awful
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about the human race as it
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stands. But it is like
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capitalism really.
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Okay. For me
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if I'm
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watching
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polio die. If I'm
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there on the last day of polio
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watching that poor virus
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breathe its last
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right?
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My next thought is
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who's fucking next man?
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Now we're going after this virus
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until every last one of them is dead.
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You know but it is so much like
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Marburg you're on the list. Yeah
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every fucking one of you is going to die
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that kind of thing. But it is like
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looking at this there are five outbreaks
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in the... it's just money.
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Like we have the money to
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make the vaccine for everybody in the Congo.
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You know? It is theoretically
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possible. There are other factors that are at
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play. I understand. If you read up on it
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there are reasons why a blanket vaccination
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campaign is not necessarily
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the strategy that they would go with. Right right right.
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I understand but that's not my point.
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My point is not this particular virus.
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It is that we exist in
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a space where it's like we could
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just say fuck it. We're not
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doing something else today
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until we destroy this
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virus. And that's something that
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we can't do. It is unfortunate.
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Because Vanguard owns 5% of everything
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or whatever. That's not the only reason.
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I know I know I know I know. There's a lack
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of public will also. Like you
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may have that vigor but Alex
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doesn't. No totally.
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It's not
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like me being like oh this is awful.
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It is like this is humanity in a
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way. Capitalism is a
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function in it. Sure. It
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plays a role for sure. But
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to say it's all that I just don't think is
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Oh no no. Imagine trying to convince
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people. Now you could say that there are
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secondary implications of Alex's
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financial and capitalistic motives.
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Sure. That play into his opposition.
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Sure. To taking care of some of these
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issues. You might be able to make an interesting
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argument down those lines. Sure.
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But yeah it's a mess. I
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agree with you though. I think that it would be an interesting
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next evolution of our
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society to take on the paradigm
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of fuck you viruses.
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I mean it is hard. It is
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genuinely hard for me like if
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I stop and remove myself
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from being
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an ape for like five seconds.
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It's legitimately
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truly insane
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to think that the Iraq
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war happened and we
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haven't gotten rid of
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more than polio. You know what I mean?
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Like it's just insane. Yeah. If it
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is just a matter of throwing money at it
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which that is a large part of it. Yeah. That is
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unc cautionable. Yeah. It's ridiculous.
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It is. It's just crazy. So
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but back to John here. For him
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there's problems like what I was describing all
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over because this is the result of
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someone having a conclusion that they're
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going to arrive at and then molding the
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information they find to get to that
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conclusion. That's all he's doing. Yeah. It's all shit.
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But if you take nothing away from this
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episode know that I had to do it
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because of the cover of 3000 AD a new beginning.
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It really is. You have
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to see it. You just have to see it.
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I
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as I was preparing this episode I kept
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questioning myself am I over
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stating this? No. And then I would pull back up the
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picture and I would laugh. Yep. Yep.
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It's crazy. No. Every single
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thing of like the Chuck
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Tingle cover
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all of those will never
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compare to somebody who's so earnestly
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making a dick like
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that. It's just amazing. But it's art
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too. Not to say the Chuck Tingle isn't art
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but it is realistic. There are pictures
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of people on the covers and stuff.
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This is much more... I mean it's
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something.
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It's something. So Alex, he can
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really tell that he's getting bored of talking to this dude.
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Yeah I imagine so. So if I have to extrapolate
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out. Finish your point. Go ahead.
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I'm just
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saying it's the same. We've seen this before.
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We'll have to extrapolate out. Give us
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your thing but we have to extrapolate out.
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They're trying to create a secret project
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to have Ebola cases and then
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test on people that have Ebola.
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Alright let me teach you how this is done.
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Fleetwood shit bag. That's what it looks like to me.
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Yeah
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and you asked the right question
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why are they doing this?
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Why are they doing this?
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And that's a good question. Yeah that's a good question.
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So yeah he was
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complaining about Remdesivir
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prior to that clip starting and Alex
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you could just tell is just like I'm not interested
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in this. Too late. Buddy.
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We need to tell a story.
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Two years too late. I am
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just going to throw out some fucking weird
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shit. Just absolute
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that was about as much of a
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hey step aside let me show you how it's done.
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We need to make this exciting
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for a little bit cause you're boring me.
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Let's bounce this off a quick notch.
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Here's what's going on. There's a secret experiment
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where they want to. Yeah absolutely.
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And it's somebody doing
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a pitch like nah your screenplay
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sucks. Alright here we go. We got
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two people walking to it.
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Or it's somebody who's like
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I gotta step in here and save the ship
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and I'll lay back and let
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you bore people for a little bit longer.
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So he does.
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Yeah like when I was hosting open
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mics there'd be like three bad guys in a row
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and you'd be like hey I know you're not next
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but you're next get up there. Yeah we need to
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save this thing. Yep.
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So unfortunately another bad performer
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comes to the stage in the form of John Talkingmoor
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and he's
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the basic premise here
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is that you can't get
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an emergency authorization
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emergency use authorization
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for something if
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there is a
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safe and effective thing to be used.
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Right. So if there is an Ebola
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outbreak they can't get an emergency
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use authorization for some new vaccine.
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Right. But that's ridiculous because
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the FDA has already approved
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the vaccine that they're talking about
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but this ends up with him talking about
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a treatment for Ebola
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that he believes is
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safe and effective and perfect. Oh
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God no. We have treatments
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for Ebola that are
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safe and effective. Remember the
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EUA the emergency
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use authorization I don't know if they're going to maybe
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be making a new
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Ebola vaccine that
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they might have to get an EUA
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for I don't know but if they
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try to do that what I know is you
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can't get an EUA
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if you have safe and effective
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treatment for the disease
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which with COVID we had
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Budesenide potentially
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ivermectin and down the list.
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So you can't get an EUA
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for dangerous
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MRNA or other vaccines
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if
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there is safe and effective treatment for
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the disease. Well with
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Ebola it turns out we do
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have safe and effective
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treatment that the NIH
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that the FDA
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have already confirmed
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works. So what are those treatments?
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Iodine.
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The first one is called
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NTZ
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N-T-Z
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that's Nancy
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Tom Zulu
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Nancy Tom Zulu
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NTZ. What are we doing?
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Nitazoxanide
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N-I-T-A-Z
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What are we doing?
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I-D-Z N-T-Z
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Nancy Tom Zulu
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Now it is safe and effective
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it's an antiviral safe and effective
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treatment against Ebola
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How do I know that?
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Well I do what Alex Jones does
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and I just quote peer reviewed
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published research that's already
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been established. This was published in
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iScience. It's a peer reviewed
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scientific journal
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back in 2019 so we've known
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at least for 2019 but it goes back
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even farther than that. Here's
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a headline from iScience
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peer reviewed study. The FDA
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approved oral drug
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nitazoxanide
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amplifies host antiviral
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responses and inhibits Ebola
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virus. Huh. It inhibits
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Ebola virus. N-T-Z
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according to iScience
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2019. So we know
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they suppress therapeutics here in the
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COVID deal. They're obsessed with Ebola.
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The WF, the UN says it's imminent
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and now we know they're injecting people
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with a live, sloughing virus. It's a giant
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crime and
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Trump, if he gets re-elected, has got to
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put a stop to this. We've got to shut down these bio-weapon labs.
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It's how the global Spanish get
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pure power. They've admitted their own documents.
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They're going to use viruses for control.
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Operation Lockstep is just one example.
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And it's so transparent what they're
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doing.
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Yes sir.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on
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Trump.
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That's fun.
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Yes sir.
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So that study that John is citing
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about N-T-Z, they found that
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it's effective in vitro
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but it's not been tested in vivo.
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Which is to say that it shows promise in cells
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but they've never done an actual test
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on human bodies.
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Which would be very difficult except
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in the case of, in the context
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of a compassionate use within
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an active pandemic
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or outbreak, excuse me.
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This distinction, maybe the A.I. that he was using
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to explain the study to him didn't
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pick that up. Also you can really tell
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that Alex is bored. And you're so right.
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Alex can't even get the wheels moving.
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I mean that is so boring.
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We're in mud.
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So boring. How many times he said
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N-T-Z, then he repeated Nancy
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Zutto. Oh my god.
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And do you know what?
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Do you know what?
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Here's how Pachanik ends that. Do you know how
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I know? Because I
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gave myself Ebola and then
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cured it. I was patient zero.
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That's how Pachanik ends it.
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Not like this, not like this. Do you know
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I know? I look up peer reviewed studies.
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That's not a swing.
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That's not a swing. Get the fuck out of here.
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And something you mumbled at the
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beginning of the clip made me remember that I had
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totally forgotten that Mike Adams cured
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Ebola. The Ebola drink?
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Mike Adams cured Ebola by putting
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some Ebola. A little Ebola.
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Put it in the drink.
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Nom nom nom nom nom. Now I'm
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cured. That's the kind of shit that
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flies on it for us. That is the type of shit.
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So we have one last clip here.
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And it's kind of
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satisfying in some ways.
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I want a cage fighter to go
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up against the mainstream media.
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Sure, but how do you swear the thing?
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And I understand that he didn't want force
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injections. Talk about Toronto and all that.
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He did go along with Warp Speed because he wanted to open the economy.
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And I'm really concerned they could
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pull another virus and he might go along with it.
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We need to see more... I'm supporting Trump overall.
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We need to see more decisive
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statements that he won't go along
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with the new viral power grab or they'll run the same
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play against him again.
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Your take on that.
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Can you hear me John Fleawood?
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Yeah, we just lost John's audio.
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Alright, just reconnect with John.
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Heartbreaking.
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And we'll come back to him.
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Here's what happens
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in slavery.
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It's being normalized.
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They have level 4 bioweapon labs.
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Over 100 of them across the country.
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And they're testing every horrible pathogen
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and souping them up. Gain of function.
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It's totally illegal.
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And they're doing it in the name of safety.
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But it always leads back to them
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where it's released from and they get all the power out of it.
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So they have the motive. They have the history.
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They block the therapeutics.
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These are bad people.
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This is what you think of Trump supporting warp speed.
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Is your audio back?
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Alright, well we'll end the interview now.
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Thank you John.
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I appreciate you joining us. Great points.
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Great points.
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Kind of fitting.
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I feel like he
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in many ways was responsible
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for all of the content
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on the show because of Alex's
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dancing around and getting the
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beats of this argument and this narrative
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in the beginning, but then once he actually
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shows up, he ground this thing
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to a halt. He doesn't got it.
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No chop. That's rough.
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That's rough.
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He doesn't think he did a good job.
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He can't.
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You heard the way he said, yes sir.
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I know, but the problem is
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he studied. He knew what to do.
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And then he fucking whiffed.
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You mean promoting Alex's products?
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Calling him General Jones?
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And he just doesn't have, he's not on
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mic. He shouldn't be on mic.
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I would say that there is a probable
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dynamic
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to that.
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But Alex
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will probably still use his substack articles
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to come up with bullshit in the future.
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So he can take solace in that.
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But yeah,
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not a prime
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performance.
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You know, that's the thing.
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This is an
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industry that attracts people who
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do not want to do the work.
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Dude, he did try.
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He tried. Yeah, he did. He said that Bill
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Gates doesn't lift. Stuff like that.
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He did. He was there. He tried.
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He did all of the stuff. He tried.
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He listened. And then he thought
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he was doing an open mic.
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He thought he was like, oh, I
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fucking practiced in front of my mirror.
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So when I go up on stage and
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I talk to Alex, it'll be real easy.
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I know what I'm doing. And then he fucking
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junked it. Yeah, and maybe he had the
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misguided
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opinion that Alex wanted
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to get into the weeds.
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He's wrong about
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a lot of the details of these stories, but he
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was trying to get kind of granular
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with the parts that he's wrong about. And I think
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that Alex really wants the broad shit like
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there's a secret program or they want to test on Ebola patients.
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Yeah, that's the idea.
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That's the territory we want to be
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in. And he was taking it to a place that's
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boring as shit and the audience doesn't really
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care about it. Yeah, and then the first sign
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of trouble. What? He's trying
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to get the body of the article, not the headline.
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Yes. And that's the problem. Nailed it.
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Alex is all headline, no body. Shit, don't
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spread, baby!
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So,
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look, I think that
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this was a crazy
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pile of nonsense for Alex's show.
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And I think that
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until earlier today when
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Alex was talking about secession and all this
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stuff, I figured we're going to have to be dealing
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with this Ebola vaccine stuff for a while.
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And now, I kind of think that maybe
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this is not a priority anymore.
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Hooray!
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That's nice. I like that.
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So hopefully this is a bottle episode.
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And whatever we
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move on to is different.
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So
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Monday is going to be a mess.
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Yeah, could be.
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So anyway, we'll be back with
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whatever.
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But until then, we have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com. Yep, we're also on Blue Sky.
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We are on Blue Sky. It's Knowledge Fight.
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Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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Uh...
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Uh...
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Uh... I can't make that musical.
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I was trying. I couldn't do it.
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Woo! Yeah! Woo! Yeah! Woo!
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And now, here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a first time
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caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
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