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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan
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I'm Jordan
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We're couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene
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And talk a little bit about Alex Jones
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Oh indeed we are, Dan
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Jordan
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Dan
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Jordan
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I have a quick question for ya
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Sup
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, is that Aldi has done done it again
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They have done it
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What, done, done did what?
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This is not an Aldi plug, we are not sponsored by Aldi, but
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Yet
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I've mentioned how, you know how they have that phenomenon
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Where there's things that are available and then they aren't available
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Yes
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It can be infuriating, but it can also be pretty wonderful because
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Limited time only type stuff, yes
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But they're never called that
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No
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They're never, it's not like a seasonal thing
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Uh huh
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It's just a product is here and then we fucking ran out and it'll never be here again
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I like that
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It's chaotic
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Yeah
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It's madness over there, it's a free for all at the Aldi
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Yeah, yeah, there's a certain farmer's market element that the Aldi still maintains
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Yes
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Yeah
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Yes, definitely, it's farm to table
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Well, it's something
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So I had brought up that there's a habanero cheese that I really liked
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Better than a pepper jack, like a habanero jack
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Yes, you brought it up with us on the show, not with Aldi
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You have not sent an email to Aldi
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Um, it was a sliced sandwich kind of habanero cheese
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And I've not been able to find it, it's not been back poking around the cheese section
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Uh huh
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I find snacking cheese habanero jack, that's right
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So I got cheese sticks that are habanero jack
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So I'm thrilled about that
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I don't know if they've been there all along but they might have been
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Made by the same people?
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I don't think so
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Oh
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It looks like, it's different packaging
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Absolute chaos
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Absolute chaos
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Yeah, but I don't know if they've been there all along and I just wasn't looking for them
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Because I don't usually look for snacking cheese
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That's not something that I have my eye out for
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Right, right, right, right
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And I don't know how long they'll be there so I'm trying to take advantage of it and appreciate it while it's there
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Yeah, that is the thing about Aldi and Scarsity though
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Is that there is a part of you that's like, okay, am I going to buy one of these which I want
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Or do I need to buy ten in case I want one later?
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Mm hmm, I bought two bags
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See, that's what I'm saying
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Right
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It's just how it works
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It's just in case
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It's just in case
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And you can't have too much habanero cheese in the house
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I don't think that's true but I will go with that
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I've been munching on it
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Okay
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So yeah, I'm excited to see
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I'll keep everyone updated to see when we run out of that at the store
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And if I have bought it all
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I would like a running
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Maybe that's your new year of the seltzer
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Just a tally of when things disappear at the Aldi you shop at
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I think I'd have to spend too much time there
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Get binoculars
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Yeah, that's true
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That would be fun
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I don't think they'd appreciate it
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That could be weird
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is my wife and I have been doing active stuff
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Activities
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We went
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VR
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Doing some of that
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Doing some bike riding
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VR bike riding?
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No, the real kind
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Okay
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And the kind where you go to the third space and they've got a bike
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And it doesn't actually go anywhere but you still ride it
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Like a gym?
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Yeah, yeah, a gym
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That's what they call it
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Okay, yeah, yeah
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Um, yeah
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You should bring your VR headset to ride the bike at the gym
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I bet that would be cool
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I bet it would
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I bet it would
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Yeah
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Yeah, that's the thing, the hard part of having a VR headset
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All of a sudden you're like, what if I just did this with a VR headset on?
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Right
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That is diminishing returns
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Taking a bath in a VR setting
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You can pretend it's like a volcano
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You can pretend you're in like a little volcano pool
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Sure, sure, with electric devices on your brain
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But it's not gonna go in the path
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You can keep it separated, right?
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I have a tremor so maybe not
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Maybe you should just keep this for Devin, she can do it
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I don't do fine motor skills and I don't get into places where I might get electric
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Alright, fine, no bath
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Okay
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The bike would be good
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Bike is good
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Uh-huh
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What else?
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I guess like anything that requires movement is bad
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Yeah, yeah
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So jogging is no good
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My immediate next thought was like, oh, I should take it for a walk
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And then I was like, nope, there's a reason that we do not do that, Jordan
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No, you keep that with augmented reality like Pokemon
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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But not VR
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Not VR, no, no, no
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You stay in one place, that's the idea
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Traveling without moving as Jamiroquai once foretold
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That was virtually insane
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It's a good joke for old people
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Um, what else could you do?
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You could sit on the couch, obviously
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Obviously
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Hmm
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Obviously
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You're just thinking of other places in the home
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Right
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To sit
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Yeah
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Oh, you could sit on like a porch or something
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Oh, that's a good point
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You could sit outside
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Because then you could pretend you have a much better view than you do
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That's a really good idea
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Mm-hmm
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Because then you could actually feel the breeze and stuff
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And you could pretend that you're along a canal in Venice or something
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I think the only problem I have, a lot of stone, a lot of brickwork
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Not a lot of comforting places if I should run into something
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Well, that's why you stay stationary
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Well, I mean, that's the trouble
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Right
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I think we've come back to this repeatedly
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That is the trouble
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That is the trouble, is it not?
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Yeah
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The trouble it is
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I'm sorry, I hijacked this though
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You all have been being active
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No, yeah, yeah, that's it
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It's just good
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It's good, it's a good idea
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Moving along
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Going to the gym
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You know what, I was
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Actually, the reason that it's a bright spot really is like
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My shoulder and my knee are such garbage
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And so I was doing a lot of activity
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And then it got to the point now where it's like
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They get so sore and so terrible that I wouldn't be able to do anything
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But with this, I realized that what I should be doing
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Is just a little bit more regularly
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Sure
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Instead of being like
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Well, I'm going to do another hour and 20
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You know, that's dumb
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Yeah, yeah
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Slower, or like lesser, but more
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That kind of thing
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Yeah
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And you've got to be thankful in a situation where your shoulders and knees are bad
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That your head and your toes are okay
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Head, shoulders, knees, toes
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Right
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Those are the four body parts
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The toes and the head, doing great
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Mm-hmm
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Yep
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It's the middle bits
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Oof
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Significantly more space though
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It is tough
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Yeah
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over
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Mm-hmm
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We're going to be talking about March 22, 2004
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Ooh, interesting
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Going back to the past
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I found something just too late
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Just too late
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Just too late to have spared us from an episode about Howard Stern
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Damn
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So now we're trying to make up for it by having a proper Alex episode here
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Also, it's come to my attention that I believe Jackson Hinkle is going to be on Alex's show
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What the fuck is that Jackson Hinkle?
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I'm jealous of you
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He is one of these guys
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Oh God, that's not how you should say it
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How would you describe him?
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What is his...
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Um, I guess he kind of came up in a sort of...
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He's a streamer, I guess
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Okay
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I guess he did stream stuff
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Okay, okay
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And he was kind of left, but a little aggressive, maybe
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Alright, so he was one of those dudes
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And now he's just gone full, like, Putin supporter, right-wing kind of dickhead
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But he's part of this younger generation
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I think Alex is trying to desperately appeal to them on his way out the door
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I was leaning towards the left, I was mostly on the left
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But then somebody was like, hey, stop being mean to non-white people
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And I was like, well, I guess I have to be a full white nationalist now, don't I?
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Well, and especially now that Alex has one guy in jail
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And Harrison has moved up
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Somebody named Chase Geyser is hanging around
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Chase Geyser
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Why not fill out that bullpen with some other angry white dudes, you know?
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Oh boy
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So, I don't know, they're going to be doing something on Thursday
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So we'll probably cover that on Monday, maybe, I don't know
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But for now, last I saw, Alex was recording a short video of himself in front of a wall
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Ooh
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Which might have also been in his backyard, I'm not sure
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Sure
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You can have walls in your backyard
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Yeah, so Stephen Crowder put out pages from that shooter
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That, do you remember this?
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Yes, I actually read a little bit about that today
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That he had posted pages of the shooter's manifesto
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Yeah
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And everybody, but this was like fucking March
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What?
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Wasn't it?
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The shooting itself?
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It was a ways back
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Yeah, it was a ways back
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And so the narrative in the right-wing media was that this was a trans shooter
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That was upset about gender stuff
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That's where we're at, okay
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And that the man in the media and all that were suppressing this
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Because they didn't want you to know that it was gender ideology that caused this shooting
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I was wondering why Stephen Crowder had released it and that's what I was hearing about
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That's weird, yeah
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So that was the obsession with the, why won't you release this manifesto for a while
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And then somehow, I guess, Stephen Crowder got a hold of a couple of pictures of pages
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From a notebook that this person had kept
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Sure
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And so Alex filmed a video of himself talking about how great this is
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Even though they've had to switch the narrative a little bit
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Yeah
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Because it's no longer like this person was mad about gender issues
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Yeah
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Seems like they were just kind of mad and suicidal and violent
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Sure
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And so, yeah, Alex was pretty excited about that
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So he had to jump on camera and say, hey guys, think of me when you think of this
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How, I mean, boy, I feel like the more I'm thinking about this
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The more I'm thinking Crowder himself might wind up in jail based on this
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I mean, I wonder
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Can you do that? I don't know if you can do that
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I wonder if there is like an inappropriate leak somewhere along the road
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But I don't think Crowder would get in trouble for it
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I think whoever gave it to him could
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Probably
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Because I would assume it's unauthorized
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Yeah
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And I don't know, I read over those pages that were released
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And I wonder if there are more, they weren't
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Sure
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I don't know, it's hard to get a picture of any of this stuff
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And, you know, I think we've talked in the past about how shooter manifestos are always a little bit iffy
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Yeah, yeah
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And I wouldn't even call what I saw a manifesto
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It was sort of scribblings in a notebook
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Yeah, okay, throw the word manifesto out a lot these days
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It's true
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I don't like throwing around that word
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It's a big word
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I did not even mean for this to be a topic we covered
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Because I'm woefully unprepared to really fully discuss this
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For sure
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But I just bring it up because that's what got Alex to film himself in front of a wall
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Gotcha
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Other than that, I don't know what he's up to
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Okay, alright
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But I do know what he's up to in the past
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Alright
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That's what we're going to be talking about here today
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Okay
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We'll be talking about March 22, 2004
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Sounds good
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But before we do, Jordan, let's say hello to one technocrat
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I think that's a great idea
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To this person, I don't know who this is, but I'm worried about them
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Because I think they might actually know me because they're telling tales out of school
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About something that I don't think I've ever talked about
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I'm not sure I've talked about on the podcast
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So we're in and I know what you did last summer scenario right now
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I believe we may be
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We are in the, okay
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And so thank you so much to Dan Still Puts Ketchup on Thanksgiving Turkey
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And I have proof you are now a technocrat
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I'm a policy wonk
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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop
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Daddy shark, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby
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I don't want to hate black people
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I renounce Jesus Christ
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Thank you so much
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Yes, thank you very much
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I don't know who that is
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It's, it's, it's a humbling experience to see something like that come into your inbox
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True
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I wonder what the proof is
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The proof is, uh, pictures of me eating turkey with ketchup perhaps
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That is interesting
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Um, I don't know
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I, I do, I don't discount the possibility that I've brought it up at some point in the podcast
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And I've forgotten
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I don't recall it, but that means very little
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True
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But it is something that I think most people would have a visceral memory to
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Because it seems gross to a lot of people
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Even myself, it feels a little gross
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Yeah, it's got one of those things where you know people would have like a
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Wait, everything doesn't pay, nothing matters until we get to the bottom of this ketchup on the turkey scenario
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Well, I mean, like, how's that any better than, uh, gravy?
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Come on, gravy's gross
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I'm not wading into this
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I feel like I just got, I just got tricked into a bare-knuckle boxing match about ketchup and turkey
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And sir, it ain't happening
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Okay, I'll leave you out of it
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But anyway, happy Thanksgiving
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Happy, that's the lesson here, yes
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So, Jordan, today we're going over this episode
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It's gonna be a brief, uh, episode
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Because not a lot happens on this
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Not a lot happens
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But something pretty important does
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And something that I found, like, it was really a bummer that I listened to this stretch of Alex's show
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And I didn't, there was nothing going on
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And then just past where I got to, um, was this
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Here is the beginning, uh, where Alex is at
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Later in the show, I want to tell you the ridiculous story of what happened when I went out to Crawford, Texas there
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At the little local municipal park, uh, to give a speech and to introduce Ralph Nader
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And again, I'm not part of the Ralph Nader campaign
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I know that the greens are like watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside
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But he's speaking out against
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That was great to see everybody out there at the University of Texas for that
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In that packed meeting hall at the UT Union building
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But I went out there and I gave a speech
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But the annex of the leftists that were there
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The intelligence community, that's the name of the group up in Dallas that, you know, runs Nader's campaign
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And brought Nader in and their anti-New World Order, pro-gun
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They were wearing pro-gun, you know, like my Mass Murders Agree Gun Control Works t-shirt
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Just great people
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They rented out the park, they got the permit, they brought Ralph Nader in
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And the local leftists said, oh let us have some of the time, you know, we're going to get the time before you
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And so they did, and so they used Ralph Nader's sound system, everything
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And when they saw that I was there to speak, well they tried to keep me from speaking
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Beforehand and told me I wasn't welcome, even though the people that were with Nader had set it all up, I get there
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And when this local UT professor sees me, he's up there speaking, he goes
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Ralph Nader is the last speaker when he gets here, and by the way Ralph Nader was to be there
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On the time of the intelligence community group that had set that up
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And when they, and when Nader got there, they literally had to have the police stand there
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And give the gun grabbing socialists the cue to get off the stage so I could introduce Ralph Nader
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It was just something else
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That is something else
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That is one of the, yeah I want to see that, I wanted to have been there for that
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I've seen pictures of it, I've found pictures
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So you know there is this documented evidence of this, there is a moment
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Someone mistimed the picture
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Oh no
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But it's when Alex and Nader are about to shake hands on stage
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Like the welcoming hit the stage
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But there's no contact
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So in theory Nader could have done the woo too slow
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Yeah yeah yeah
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It was almost like a boxing promo poster
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They're almost ready to punch but not happening
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Yeah so there's a lot of details that are a little bit mixed up and messy here
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From Alex's telling
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The first is that the intelligence community doesn't run Nader's campaign
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Someone from Nader's campaign is now a part of this group, the intelligence community
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Okay
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That are like sort of pseudo-anarchical, libertarian type anti-war activists
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Okay but for sure the name is quote the intelligence community
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Yes
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That was the part that kept getting me because I'm like
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I think it's a sort of satirical name
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Yeah yeah yeah it makes sense
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But it's also, yeah yeah
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It's pretty strange to see this like intersection
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Um but at the same time not too strange
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Nader was always a bit on the outside in terms of being a candidate
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He did go on Infowars at a certain point
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So like you know it's not it's not the craziest thing
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I mean when you're when you're where Nader was then you got nothing to lose
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Yeah
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So you might as well just go for it you know
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I would say that Alex is unsafe at any volume
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Yeah yeah
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I was able to find a review of this event from someone writing for a website called
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Cryptogon and it does not speak incredibly highly of Alex
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And it should be said that this review was written by somebody who expresses an affinity
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for Alex and Infowars so it's not somebody who hates him
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Wow
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Here's how this person describes the performance
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Okay
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Quote Alex was hamstrung by bad presentation technology
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Like a lion away from his domain once Alex is out of the studio he goes a little crazy
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I'm gonna need to I'm gonna need to call an editor on this one
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More pontification more yelling
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I think the physical constraints of radio timed presentations
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and video narration are a positive for Alex
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Yeah I'd say so
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Wow
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From seeing the speeches Alex has done in the past I would tend to agree
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He has a real difficult time staying on track
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That's not different than how he is on the radio
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It's just that in a live setting he's competing for attention from a hundred different stimuli
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And you can feel an audience paying less attention to you when you're on stage
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Yeah
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Like whether it's actually happening or not
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You viscerally can feel it and feel like you need to compensate for it
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It is an impossible thing to explain to people but in the back of my neck
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I can see somebody in a crowd starting to look over away from me
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Right
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You know just like it's there
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It's your seventh sense
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Yeah
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So I was able to find a bunch of articles about this
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Yeah
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This event
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That's absurd
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And so I spent a great deal of time figuring out like what the fuck is going on with this
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And apparently at this event there was also some anti New World Order type bands
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Who used obscenity in their songs
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And Alex also used the word bastard
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Which got him in trouble with a family-friendly audience
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I'm sorry what
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Yeah
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I used bastard in that band?
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Oh yeah
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Oh god I don't even know anymore
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There was a police person there who told him to stop cussing
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Why are some things so thoroughly documented?
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I don't know
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I mean Crawford Texas is where Bush's ranch is
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Sure
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So the idea that there was this somewhat large anti-war demonstration happening
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And it was on the the global day of like there were protests all around the country
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Yeah yeah yeah
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And all around the world and and that's something that Alex does not bring up
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Right
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Is that this was part of like a much larger
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It's all about Alex
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Yeah
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Yeah
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So Ralph Nader was on tour through Texas and he had an opening on that Saturday
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Some anti-Iraq war activist had set up this rally in Crawford
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And Nader agreed to be a part of it thus bringing him and Alex's worlds together
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It seems kind of crazy like I mentioned but he was on Infowars I think in 2008
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Like in the next election cycle
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So the two of them crossing paths is is weird
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And Alex is super clear that he's not endorsing Nader
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No no
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And Nader wasn't even supposed to be there in his capacity as a candidate
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You know he wasn't supposed to be there doing any kind of electioneering or anything
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That's see that just has so much like a Curb Your Enthusiasm written all over it
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That is that is the basis of an episode
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Wait
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I'm
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Wait
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See
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The plot gets better
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This is what I'm saying
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Because here's where you work this into your Curb episode
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Okay okay
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So this was the wrong day to do this kind of an event in Crawford
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There's only a population of 700 people there
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And according to the Midland Reporter Telegram the city was doing a lot that day
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Quote Crawford also is hosting on Saturday a city-wide garage sale a rodeo
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And the Saint Paul Lutheran Church Cemetery Association second annual chili and bean cook-off
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So I was able to find an article where there was somebody who was talking about
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How he was just at the park for the chili cook-off and was frustrated by Nader being there
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And they were worried about it taking away from the the attendance at the chili cook-off
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The fucking parks department for 700 people is off the chain
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That's too much
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That is so much
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Yeah are you here do you support Nader do you support the war
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I don't know I just want to get beans
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Where's the town well 30 percent of them are at the garage sale 30 percent of them are at the rodeo
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And then a bunch of them are watching Nader scream I don't know what do you want
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So there's also some problems with Alex's version of things
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Yeah
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So there was an event that was organized and planned by an anti-war group called the Crawford
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Peace House they're a long-standing entity that holds rallies and peace
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demonstrations in Crawford and around there and has they have some connections to the Nader
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campaign on their website there is also like Nader's groups have donated to them so there is
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there is a connection there this is a different connection than the connection that Alex's group
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the intelligence community has right right so there are connections on both fronts
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Right all right if you look at pictures from this event you'll find that their URL is in the
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backdrop of the stage the Crawford Peace House website is on there because that was their event
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that they had set up right they organized a global day of action event which involved speakers from
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1 to 2 pm then a parade through Crawford and then more speakers and entertainment from from 3 to 5
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Alex was set to speak at 7 because he was part of this offshoot after hours continuation from
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that event which was run by the group that he's talking about the intelligence community
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Right
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So you had these two things that were happening at the same place
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Okay
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Yeah
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So which came first?
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I have to assume that the the one from the Crawford Peace House
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That's what I was thinking
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Because I was able to find so much documentation of their event there's a press release that they
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sent out there's articles they built their own website for the march and event like it was
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it was pretty well established they also were the ones who were negotiating with the police
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for uh the and the permits and stuff it was all through them
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Right so Alex's conception of we had this thing already and then these dumb socialist
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kids wanted to do an afternoon thing before us
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Right
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That may be
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Totally wrong
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Yeah so but for also from the things that I was able to see uh and find it does appear
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that the intelligence community was the reason that Nader ended up speaking
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Right
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But he was also scheduled to speak with the group at the beginning so
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What are you gonna do?
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It's messy
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What are you gonna do?
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It is messy
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Hey
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For what it's worth I don't think Alex would have liked most of the speakers at the early day event
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Yeah
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I think he would have hated them
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Yeah probably
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Like Fareed Farhamand from the Iranians for Justice and Peace or Margarita Alvarez from
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United Voices for Immigration he would have hated these uh these peace speakers
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Yeah those those are green on the outside and red on the inside I'll tell you that
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So what I can tell
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Uh-huh
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I think what happened is that Nader was supposed to speak
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at the beginning one the the uh peace house
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Right
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And the intelligence community's event
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Two shows
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Coming through uh Crawford that day
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Right
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It's my guess because the time that he's supposed to speak is posted for the Crawford
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Peace House people and that is not when he ended up speaking
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Okay
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So I believe what happened is he showed up late
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He got late yeah
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And what ended up happening was that they used him as a bridge between the two events
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Sure
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So he spoke at the end at five o'clock at the end of the Crawford Peace House event
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and that led into the intelligence community event
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Okay
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And so because of this Alex uh introduced him uh when he came up to stage
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Right
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That is that's the best that I can tell from because there isn't there are articles about
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this and shit but there's nobody like explaining what the fuck happened here
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Why didn't it go exactly according to the schedule
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Right right right gotcha
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And stuff
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Okay so yeah so Nader got turned into the halftime show
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Okay
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Or the hinge
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Yeah yeah that makes sense okay now I'm with you
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Yeah
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Yeah
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So um it's you know fun so you had
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Alex introduces Nader at the five o'clock slot
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Nader gives his speech and then a ton of people leave
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Right
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And then Alex is set to speak at seven
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Obviously yeah very very obviously
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And so Alex is the headliner and now most of the people have left
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Aww
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Except for you know the sort of I described them as pseudo-anarchist types
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but I'm not entirely sure if that's accurate
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Yeah
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I'm projecting a little bit of my experience with anti-war demonstrations around this time
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Sure
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Like I know that there would be things in Colombia where you know the old hippies
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from the peace nook would put together some of that and then when the sun starts setting
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the fire dancers and maybe the people who have some fringe ideas come out
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Sure
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And they take over the same space because there's a captive audience
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Yeah there's the time
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Yeah
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There's a time and a place for each
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Right and you know maybe it's more fun for the youth the night event
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and more fun for the family the daytime event
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Yeah
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And and so that's it's just that's the general vibe that I get
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Right right right the late show's rated R
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Come on people they take your family to their early show late show's rated R let's go move on
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And I think that that was the effect that happened was a lot of people left
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That sounds right
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That was in some of the articles
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Yeah most of the people that sounds right
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Took off
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Yeah
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So Alex has some issues with the entertainment that happened there
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particularly one folk singer that he seems to be very focused on
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Folk singer
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I got video of all of this about an hour before Nader got there
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they had some local musician up there going
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Mexico will take over America
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America's evil
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We will take the southwest
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We will bring down America
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America is evil
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Zapatista, Che Guevara
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I think we're getting a little
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I mean it was an incredible little song
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And of course a little Cucaracha there
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I'm preaching how bad America is
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And then I got the word that some people were angry because I was a
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I was a white male who's against open borders and that's why they were so upset
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And they were very upset by the Ralph Nader people who were wearing pro-gun shirts
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Well that really freaked them out and and they were just pulling their hair out
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Oh they're freaking out
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But yeah this musician sounds not good
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I mean that song doesn't sound great
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It doesn't sound like a great song
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There are some composition errors I would say
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Yeah I read another review from a guy who's from the Republicans for Peace kind of group
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And like he had a really interesting perspective because so many of these events that you go out
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to these anti-war demonstrations are very hostile towards the right wing and to Republicans
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Because most of them are organized by you know aging hippies
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Right right right right
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And so he was a real anomaly of a speaker choice that they had at the daytime of that
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And he also had some criticisms for the musical acts
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Oh yeah
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But they weren't the same they were mostly like they were too pro-Carrie to John Kerry
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Sure I mean any musical act that is pro-Carrie is too pro-Carrie
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Yeah he did not talk about how they were singing about the Zapatistas
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Yeah that's how we're gonna take Mexico Mexico's gonna take over America
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That's a more fun song
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It would be
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And also Rage Against the Machine was still going on right now
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So that literally was happening across the street
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Oh no Rage did play the nighttime event
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See there we go that makes perfect sense
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Killing in the name
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So Paul Joseph Watson shows up
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Sure
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On this episode because at this point Alex is trying to brand his Monday appearances as like
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The Watson Report or something like that
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Sure sure
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I think he's trying to do some brand development
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I like it
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It's not going anywhere
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Nice little like NBC local news kind of thing
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Yeah it's not at all an interesting time that they have
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Yeah
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Although in order to understand this clip you have to know that earlier in the show
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Alex had gone on a little mini rant
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Where he said that the United States has been under martial law since 1933
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1933 is an interesting year to pick
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It is but it's also interesting because he's trying to stop martial law
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But we're already under martial law so that's an interesting dynamic
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Right
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Anyway a caller calls in while Paul is also doing the Paul Report
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Uh huh
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And wants to know hey man what's up with that
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What was uh what was up with that 1933 thing
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Yeah let's find out
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In Virginia go ahead
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Hey um two questions uh one to you Alex and one to Paul
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Uh you mentioned earlier that we've been under martial law since 33
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What was the legislation or event that uh caused that to come about
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Good question
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Number one are you on a speakerphone?
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No I'm in the lobby
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Okay I'm just really understand you
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Uh uh your question was martial law the different uh increments of it
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We've seen the same things in Europe uh Paul you want to take that question
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Great
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Stall for a minute and then ask Paul
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I that is that's the type of shit that you gotta have a good partner for
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That's what you need
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I talked some shit earlier I forgot how I'm supposed to back this up
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Paul?
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I mean you know that really is like if Alex had not decided to like straight go it alone
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If he had a co-host pretty regularly
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Think of the think of the exhaust valve think of the release that would be possible
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For him to just go hey you're my underling tell them what I don't know
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I think he'd go through them pretty fast
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That is
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That's a that's a job with lower retention
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That reminds me that I immediately just thought of uh if you remember dinosaurs
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They had a show within the show uh where it was like a science show
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And then the scientist would always wind up killing the kid
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And he'd be like we're gonna need another Timmy
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Doesn't uh dr benson honeydew always end up killing beaker
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No beaker never dies
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But he he gets blown up
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He's pretty close
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He gets he gets listen OSHA is not stoked about it
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Right honeydew is a real libertarian
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There's a lot of uh anti-government regulations going on yeah
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So here's paul's answer after alex alex throws a joke
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Paul you want to take that question
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Well yeah it was a war powers act which made the people the enemy of the government
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Then with the national security apparatus of 1947 when that all came about that's when
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The cia was created obviously and then those clandestine operations started to take place
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All right so that's an embarrassing answer
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Alex has talked some shit like I said about how we've been in martial law since 1933
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And the best that paul has to say is the war powers act and then the founding of national security
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Got him
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There's a quick couple problems
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The first is that the war powers resolution was signed in 1973
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What paul is referring to is a colloquial term that's used by right-wing extremists
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When they talk about a non-existent thing called the war powers act of 1933
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This was uh it's about an amendment to the trading with the enemy act of 1917
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That was passed five days after fdr came into office in 1933
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It was emergency banking legislation and part of it was a three-day banking holiday
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Where people couldn't withdraw large amounts of gold or money
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Folks on the extreme right like alex and paul believe that this is the government
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Effectively viewing the public as enemies and that's why it's the first thing that
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Paul comes up with when he's trying to bail alex out of that sinking ship
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Unfortunately the emergency declaration that roosevelt put into effect was terminated
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And along with that the amendment to the trading with the enemy act was repealed
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Shitheads like alex and paul pretend that that isn't the case because it helps them
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Scare the audience more easily and come up with cool things like war powers act
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Yeah yeah
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Sounds good
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It's just unbelievable these folks are able to make these dramatic ass pronouncements on air
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Like we've been living under martial law for 71 years at the time of this recording
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When this is what they're actually talking about
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I get it you don't like the government that's fine
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You just don't need to make up this extraneous
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Bullshit to make that opposition to the government more interesting
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I mean it's unnecessary
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I feel like it has maybe I'm crazy but I feel like it should have the complete opposite effect
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Is like if we've been under martial law since 1933 I'm all right okay I guess martial law is not that
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Bad I mean we what still still play football I don't know what do you want
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It does seem it does seem like martial law is not what it's made out to be if that is the case
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I've watched a lot of movies
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Mm-hmm I've seen multiple documentaries Alex has made with the title martial law
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Yeah we have been too many marshals law
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Right and the definition technically speaking
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You would think
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Is that the military is a control of law
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Through violence
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Yeah yeah and it is not that is not the state of affairs
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No
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It's just but like I think that there's such very easy ways to say you oppose the government
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And use reality
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Yeah
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To back it as opposed to these imaginary uh we've been under martial law for 71 years
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Secretly and you just don't know it
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Yeah
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Kind of stuff it's it's more interesting and I get how it hooks an audience
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In a more entertaining fashion
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Sure
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But it's it's a built on sand
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Okay let me throw this out at you we have been living under martial law since then
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Okay
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But here's what happens all right and it's not the big event it's not the laws it's not the stuff
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It's that after the military has kind of been running things it kind of goes on autopilot
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And then you just kind of relax you're not really paying much attention
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You think that tyranny automatically loosens its grip over time
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I mean come on you don't have the energy to tyrant
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It is exhausting
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It is so exhausting to tyrant
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You may be you may be
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I'm I'm telling you you just you just it happens to everybody it's it's tyrannical dysfunction
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It's it's TD
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Well look at this
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Look what I'm blue pill
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Look what I'm doing
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Uh-huh
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What am I doing?
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I'm making a fist
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Oh that's scary
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It requires the tension of so many muscles
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So many muscles
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Over time you get tired and then you got to open a fist
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I just got to take a nap
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You're right
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Yep there you go
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So Alex takes another caller and this caller
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Relates a story of how his co-workers are fucking with him
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Sure
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And Alex seems to not deal with it that way
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Okay
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Uh Tim in Ohio, Tim go ahead
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Good afternoon Alex
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Hello
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Hello Paul
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Hello
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Uh I wanted to share a quick story with you uh two weeks ago I had printed up
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off of the website uh about the uh the shooting in Long Island with the Freemason ritual
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And I work in a uh an institute of higher learning
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The department is like three departments in one
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One of the guys in one of the departments was a Mason
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So I showed it to him and I asked him you know did they ever do this to you
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And he got really stern like his lip was trembling and he said
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Uh no we go right for sacrificing the lambs
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And then at the end of last week his supervisor which is also involved in law enforcement
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Walked right up to me stood two feet away
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Pretended to point a fake gun at my head and pull the trigger
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And when I said hey you better not miss when you do that and he goes oh I don't
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Then he chuckles and I go we are gonna be replaced by the military
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He goes no no not military, predators
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Hey what stay there everybody stay there
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Everybody stay there
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Wait
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Everybody stay there
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Wait you stay there everybody stay there
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No one move
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Yeah
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Traffic stop
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Lights
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Everybody cool off
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Cool it cool it
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Everybody we got to deal with the fact that predators are taking over for the military
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I'm guessing he means like the alien versus
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I obviously
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Yeah
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Yeah
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Or I mean I guess you could say predator drones
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No
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No cheaper
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Predators you can you get one predator 100 regular soldiers
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That is way cutting down on costs
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I do think it's inappropriate that this person would point a fake gun at this guy
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I think that that's a hostile work environment
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I think anybody with a real gun shouldn't be allowed to point fake guns even you know just
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That's a practice
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I think this is an HR issue for sure
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Yeah for sure
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But the rest of it is them fucking with him for sure very clearly
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Yeah
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Yeah
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But everybody stay there
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I mean he even came back with a little jape of his own with a little hey better make sure you don't miss
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You know like everybody knows
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I don't think that was a jape I think he was being serious
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I he he kind of made it sound like he was passing it off like that but
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I'm not sure
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You're entirely
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So has everyone stayed there
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I have not moved
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Okay because we come back from break
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Okay
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And Alex has got to talk to him about this
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All right
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And and to his credit he does like a couple of these things maybe they're jokes
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Sure
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But that doesn't stop him from taking some of this deadly serious
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Jokes are all true
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I would take that quite seriously I would get a micro recorder on you and go up and strike up
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a conversation with the security guy and go you know the other day why did you
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act like you were going to blow my head off
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No this wasn't a security guy Alex this is a department head
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No I understand he's a law enforcement guy you said
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Yeah he's also involved in part-time in law enforcement
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So I would go with a recorder up to him and I'd say hey were you joking the other day when you
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said you were going to you know simulated blowing my head off and get him on tape then go to the
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police department and file a terroristic threat because I'd take these people very seriously
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So you're at your university you show a mason in your department the article with the masons
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blowing people's heads off in rituals and which seems to be quite a frequent occurrence around
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the globe on accident of course always and exactly what did he say to you again
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It was well it was like a standing around kind of thing so I have other witnesses
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and so two guys were goofing around like you know karate I can remove your heart with my two fingers
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Okay if they're joking then don't don't
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no no no these other guys they're joking and I don't do that hey you know watch it he can take
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your your um your heart out with two fingers and then this guy comes walking up and he goes I only
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need one finger and then he put the hands in the gun and he pointed at me and boom like that
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Well that may not have been interrelated then but the other guy when he said uh you know hey what's
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going on with this uh he you said his lips started trembling and he said we go right to the goats
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or or yeah he said that they uh no they don't they don't do that they just like to uh sacrifice the
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blood of the lambs and I believe in in the bible don't they say the lambs of god are are us right
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this human being yeah that's a very cryptic statement so what did you say to him after he
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said that well uh I just kind of like uh walked away because the lip was trembling and he looked
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kind of angry so uh oh very good person uh Paul any comments I mean Paul Paul Paul what do you
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have to say about this incredibly boring banal exchange Paul I was trying to take seriously
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these people who are fucking with this caller and I stepped in it Paul I need help Paul I can't even
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pretend anymore man Paul I asked for more details and it turns out the guy pointing the gun thing
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was related to an entirely different workplace situation and nothing to do with the mason stuff
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ah shit Paul Paul why don't you talk about the real problem here somebody needs to deal with
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this HR wise this is an inappropriate conversation if we're gonna take it from that perspective sure
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this doesn't sound like a well-managed office that's what we need to deal with here yeah that's
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the conspiracy yeah management I think that you know the rest of it sounds just like people
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fucking around yeah like like you do in an office pantry kind of pointing a fake gun I do think
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I wouldn't point you cross a line a little bit especially not if you're if you're somebody who
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has a real gun don't point a fake gun and if you're in a like he said he's the like department head
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he's in a position of authority over these people he should be setting a better example yeah yeah
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absolutely not that said that coming off uh like the pointing a gun and like that out of context
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completely insane yeah yeah coming after somebody says I can take your heart out with two fingers
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right all I need is one finger right right that makes it a little bit less insane no it makes
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sense yeah there's a track it's not somebody doing this out of nowhere no which would be this guy
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should be fired no in this case it's more like a step back and you go what's wrong with dudes
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dudes are just there's something wrong yeah dudes just got to be handled yeah yeah a little bit too
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much uh testosterone yeah yeah agro tendencies yeah so Alex has to wrestle with the fact that
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there are people on the left and people on the right that uh uh oppose the war and a lot of
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people on the right don't oppose the war but also there's a lot of people on the right who don't
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oppose the war it turns out a lot of them actually support it and Alex has to justify why that's okay
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folks Hillary Clinton, John F. Kerry, Al Gore, Chuck E. Schumer that whole crew in and out of
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Washington are all globalists so is George W. Bush look at the actions not the rhetoric
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and so people see Hollywood and others that are wrong on almost all issues out there against the
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war and that does a couple things that lures people into the leftist movement to think oh it
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must be good it must be right on everything if they're against this but it also then allows the
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neo-cons to get up on tv and radio and point over at the socialists to go oh look they're against
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the war the war must be good so we've got to get more sophisticated than that and see the big
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picture because that's what's really happening yeah most people are more sophisticated than that
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but that's what Alex's politics comes down to a lot this this opposition this definition by
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opposition uh is such a a problem for his brain you know when he says stuff like I just look at
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what the globalists are doing and I do the opposite like I do think he means that more
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than people yeah give him credit for no it is it is like I I genuinely feel like listening to him
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listening to him talk it's like man maybe cartoons had a maybe they're right maybe if you just hit
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him in the head with a frying pan it'll just like re-scramble his brain to the right spot because it
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is he is making a code like that is an observation you know in times of in times of complete chaos
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you know that that kind of political alignment can change because people who are otherwise
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republican are anti-war and people are otherwise anti-war and then they get together and they
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figure out who they're getting lied to by and then everybody kind of reshuffles like that makes sense
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right right that I get that well that he's that he's able to recognize that and not then go and
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that's what I'm here for is a very infuriating thing I am here to capitalize on that exactly
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I'm here to exploit that tendency look at my vampire teeth as I described to you how delicious
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people taste to me you know it is interesting that there are uh there come times when there are
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issues that are cross uh partisan sure sure and opposition to the Iraq war could be one of them
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where you end up in places and being exposed to things that maybe you wouldn't have been before
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from the opposite side of the aisle totally um most people I think and maybe maybe that's maybe
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this is me being naive but most people have more uh underlying their politics than just the
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opposition than just the single issue right right right so like if I were to be in like
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communication with somebody who's on the right who's opposed to the war I would be able to agree
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with them about the war right and then I'd also be able to retain the parts that I don't agree
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with them right right right that's the and that's that's what Alex is here for Alex is here to help
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ease you along that transition to help you go from saying yes I can agree with you that the war is
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bad to your Republican friend and then both of you sit together and you listen to Alex Jones and
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then you create your own social reinforcement group you know that's what he does he takes that
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inability that ability for you to go I am an individual person who can tell the difference
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between all this stuff and rips it from you and turns you into an info warrior that's the left
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right paradigm being taken away that's what you've just described maybe worse so we get back to the
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nader speech yeah and Alex says his tone is a little bit different when he brings this back up
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and he seems to understand that the uh the hippies uh they had every right to be there
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and weren't just trying to stick on his event ouch I said I'd tell the story so I will in just
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a few minutes I am not a green party candidate I am not a Ralph Nader promoter uh he's better
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obviously on many issues than Bush and Kerry the cousins who were skull and bones members
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but a month ago I got invited to speak uh at a rally put on by a Ralph Nader campaign group
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and they were good guys you know I got to Crawford Texas they were wearing pro-gun t-shirts they were
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really a nice group of people but the the liberals that showed up had the stage before this group did
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and boy they were upset I was there they told everybody go home don't listen to the next speaker
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you know don't listen to Alex Jones um we have the stage at five o'clock I walked up there and
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the lady running it running the other group ran up and tried to grab the microphone away from me
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I just said here have it then they said we're going to introduce Ralph Nader and the people
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said no you're not so I got to introduce him I mean it was incredible and and and they have
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these speakers up there before Nader's group who all by the way love Kerry and they had a guy up
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there playing his banjo Mexico will run America America's evil and will fall all soviet system
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will prevail he was literally saying all this and it was just I forgot how disgusting liberals are
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oh so disgusting oh he's really focused on that singer though with their with their songs about
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open borders and Zapatistas and Mexico taking over America well you can't just enjoy a song
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even if you disagree with the underlying political message I guess yeah I'm gonna tell you something
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Dan there are a lot of rap songs that I enjoy but I do not endorse their message sure there's even
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a lot of country songs that I enjoy that I do not appreciate their message um yeah no Alex well but
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here here's where the breakdown occurs sure sure sure this song doesn't sound good from a that is
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true from an uh audio standpoint I don't think I would enjoy it even if I did disagree that's I
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think you'd have to hard agree in order to rationalize enjoying the song because it sounds
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like shit that would be difficult it might be Alex's version of it though I wasn't there it
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wasn't there it could be I don't know his he's he is a pretty pitch perfect imitator it's too
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bad that his YouTube channel got taken down because I would assume this might be on it
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and oh yeah that's true I could not find video from other people of of as many articles as I
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could find uh discussing the uh the stuff I could not find the video there had to have been some
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video at some point yeah Alex said he recorded stuff wow oh well 2004 YouTube videos yeah
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his uh his old producer Mike Hanson has a channel that still has a bunch of old videos on it and
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that wasn't on there unfortunately disappointing so everyone's being so mad to Alex they're trying
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to get it like get people to not listen to him so mad and so there was a UT professor who was the
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emcee of the day event uh-huh and apparently he was pretty mean to Alex oh no and then I had this
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UT professor come over and say some really mean things to me I'm not even gonna repeat what he
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said he said you can quote me on that but I'm not gonna give him what he wants it's horrible uh and
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wait so you can't quote him on that and right before I got up to speak the professor got up
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and he said leave immediately after this leave do not stay get in your cars get in the buses get
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out of here I would guess that what this is is him saying after Ralph Nader's speech that's the end
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of our yeah we're done if you want to stay I guess verifying that we don't have any responsibility
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for what happens after this I mean you got on our bus so the bus is leaving so get on the bus I
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mean it's not even a real conversation really after this well I mean if you are like I said
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and have said the world general awareness of Alex Jones is minimal at this time yeah but people in
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central Texas they know a lot of them know who Alex Jones is right and they would probably not
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want to be associated with whatever happens after this yeah that's not us that's not the
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Crawford peace house all right right and so that's probably what Alex is describing I'm
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liking Alex's characterization though I will I'm thinking immediately I'm seeing uh Andy
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Kindler in home movies in my head you know just that like it's just it's very good and uh there
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were probably 600 and something people there and I'd say over half of them just immediately
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left with fear oh we might hear something oh we might let's get in our cars so I got up there
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introduced Ralph Nader then I gave my speech about the new world order and they had some very
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interesting bands and one that was a lounge singer group I actually liked it called Shanghai Five
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but I mean they're just neo-cons are terrified of waking up to the new world order and what
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Bush is and these liberals don't want to wake up to what Kerry is okay yeah it was just disgusting
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I mean it was and they were vicious vicious to me oh so mean so mean to Alex poor Alex I really
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haven't I you know the word vicious it's such a good word it's such a it's a it's almost it's not
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onomatopoeic but it is it is evocative through sound of what's meaning you know vicious that
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kind of aspect to it to to apply it to somebody being like and you need to get back on the bus
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that's for me the word vicious I cannot hear it without thinking of that j5 song uh verbal
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basketball where vicious malicious dunks from Vince Carter yeah yes I don't know why that word
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just it it it's plugged there we're we're we're every time we go back to 2004 we go back to 2004
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don't right yeah our reference is everything yep next we're gonna talk about the entire track list
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of quality control is that the album I think so I think it was yeah
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so um everyone's mean to Alex and that seems to be like one of his biggest points about this
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is like just that everyone is mean to him and he had a tough time and these dumb liberals and
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you know it's it it takes away from the fact that this was part of a global day of of protest
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against the Iraq war yeah it missed it it intentionally misses the forest of the trees
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I'm sorry what was the point of it is Alex people were mean to him that's what I thought you were
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trying to say I don't think at any point he even brings up that it was part of this global day
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of activism he I don't I don't think there's any recognition that that even happened I do
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appreciate the idea of like not having any idea why you're like like yes I came here to give an
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anti-war speech yeah I didn't know there was a war going on that you guys were against I just
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here's what I thought I'm booked to perform yeah that's it I'm pretty sure that that day I was
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probably stoned in peace park at an anti-war demonstration I mean yeah there's a certain
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there is a certain amount of Alex just being there like why is everybody taking this war
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shit so seriously all the time well and taking it out on me yeah and on me or me I'm a good guy
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so he seems really fixated on that folk singer I can see that my whole point is I'll go speak
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to any group if it's around central Texas I can't travel much because I'm so busy doing radio
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broadcasts but I certainly did enjoy going and speaking at that but uh I mean that guy playing
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the banjo Mexico runs America we will soon have it it will be ours you just don't like the banjo
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man will pay I mean literally singing that of course he was a white guy it's just just incredible
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you work for the bankers to break down America you're incredible
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I'm sorry that banjo player works for the bankers are big big banjo is really throwing the
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lobbying dollars around these days yeah there's a vet where maybe 600 people were there which I
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can test based on the pictures that I've seen right uh yeah they they they got this big this
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banjo players in the pocket of the big banks trying to lure people away from the Chilean
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bean cook-off Warren Buffett what do we do next I'll tell you what we do we get more banjo players
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god damn it see the vibe that I get is that this banjo riff sure about this guy is something that
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like maybe Alex and some of the guys who are at the event were doing maybe they had a little fun
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Mexico will take America doing their own little dueling back and forth version exactly and maybe
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the other people had better versions of it they were actually funny and then Alex is just doing
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this bit on his show that's the sense that's the feeling that I get of this like something that
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was fun in the moment yeah and I guess you had to be their story and Alex just won't let it go
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he's just singing constantly yeah well you know whenever you're that type of person who just
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really needs somebody to say you're so great at everything and then to have because there's and
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it's even worse for him too is I bet he didn't even get much acknowledgement at all from that
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little circle like everybody I bet he did you think so yeah all right because he's a star to
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them maybe but he's not funny no that's true but you laugh at when stars say things that aren't
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funny when you're somebody who wants stars to think you're cool that is the story of Elvis
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isn't it it's part of it yep I think I think that maybe Alex got a couple laughs polite laughs
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but maybe some of the other people were actually being funny yeah and that creates the environment
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of this joke is killer exactly and that's why it's coming up over and over and over again on
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the show it has to be because he does some more so this guy sung song after song like that and
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and they want to walk to me and said you're against the borders being open you're a racist
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now well George Bush is for open borders why are you for George Bush literally the lady just hissed
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at me what's wrong with these people bunch of idiots bunch of idiots I mean someone actually
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hissed at him if somebody I don't know if you hiss at somebody I don't think that makes it okay to
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call them an idiot um I think that this just falls into the category of Alex having like visions of
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people responding poorly to him yeah yeah but then again you know you wonder how much of that
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is just that embellishment for radio like uh like with what Howard Stern was saying about the
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you know he got Alex to admit that he was just embellishing and making up the uh sure the New
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York detectives who were trying to kill him while he was in town for Piers Morgan he probably is
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just like if he was pushed on were people actually hissing at you sure sure sure maybe I played it
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up in my mind I mean maybe I felt like I was in hostile territory because there were so many
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hippies around right and maybe I came up with that in my mind right well but I mean the question
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where the conversation we're having isn't is he doing it or is he not doing it it's is it
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intentional or not yeah or or even just like in his mind did he actually literally see somebody
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hiss at him despite the fact that in our outside reality no one did right you know that's the
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interesting question I do believe someone probably said his politics on the border suck yeah I
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imagine that did happen yeah now you could totally see in his brain though like them turning into
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like a weird monster movie going yeah immediately after that and that is real we will flood the
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borders yeah Mexico's taking over America you know he saw it he saw it with like a
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chicken fried steak just blew out of his face and this becomes I think one of the central tensions
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that we'll never be able to resolve yeah and the time in our show is how much of this is
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actually experienced by Alex yeah and how much is embellishment or metaphorical yeah and he's
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talked quite at length about how it is what he actually sees it does feel that way and so if you
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take him at his word then it is not embellishment it is literal demons that come up to him in the
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grocery store people change faces yeah um but you know I mean it's to what extent do you trust that
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right like obviously I have experienced many any number of different you know you're having a
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psychotic break well I mean I understand what I'm saying there is not that I like not that I
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understand his particular place so much as it is like I know that the brain can turn things that
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aren't real real to yes that kind of thing when you're under the influence of hallucinogens
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you're having a psychosis hallucination or some kind of yes that is possible for your brain to do
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so in this case Alex whenever and you know that's that's another interesting question to me when
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Alex says to Howard Stern maybe I was embellishing is Alex actually lying there right to make himself
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not seem as insane as somebody who is like because otherwise he has to say instead of him saying oh
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I was embellishing he has to say regardless of what you perceive in reality I exist in a space
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where that person did that shit you know that's crazy man yeah so there's a there's a sort of
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weird middle ground where he's unwell enough that he sees hallucinations and perceptual distortions
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all around him telling you the truth yet he is well enough that he understands that other people
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don't see these things and he sometimes is gonna have to equivocate and make it look like he doesn't
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if he gets pressed on the issue in a threatening environment if I were pressed to try and create a
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character under those constrictions I wouldn't I think Alex would probably be what shows up
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but you would not expect that he'd end up a millionaire no no no no no no no influential
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see if I was coming up with a character it would be in a twilight zone scenario where he does
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become a millionaire and gets all the things he's ever dreamt oh fuck oh no oh shit that's where we
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are oh god damn twilight zone I knew it in that twilight zone episode there'll be a podcast that
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talks about it I've got such a weird bit oh fuck we're side characters in a twilight zone episode
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damn it I would rather be the side character in a twilight zone episode than the main character
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generally yeah yeah that's true so actually this brings us we're at the end here the rest of the
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episode is kind of filler and nothing really nothing worthwhile happens Alex goes on a bit
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of a couple rants about uh uh Rumsfeld he was on meet the press sure and he said that uh he was
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trying to say that I never said that Iraq posed an imminent threat and then the people on meet
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the press were like here's you saying yeah I mean yeah and it's like haha slam dunk on the part of
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meet the press wow and then Alex just talks about how oh this guy said he's trying to say that he
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he never said these things that was demonstrated in the clip yeah so there's a lot of time spent
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on that there was so much promise in the early aughts that idea of like okay well now everything
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like straight up we can so quickly edit and cut short clips play them so easily and digestibly
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that whenever we're having an interview with somebody like Rumsfeld we can in real time be
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like no you said this the the the um the potential and things that are afforded to an adversarial
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press yeah seemed to be so we were promising yeah it was like oh man they won't be able to
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didn't quite work out oh god so I spoke at an aider event
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and it was confusing yeah and turns out he it sounds like he didn't do it had to have a great
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set from what I've heard yeah but uh you know you got to go out there you got to do your thing
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the way he's describing it even in no I'm talking about from the article that I read
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right like you didn't have a good set no no I mean for Alex the way he's talking about it
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is not in the way that somebody who even had like an okay set would talk about it
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you know I lost half the audience to the chili cook-off exactly that's reasonable that's like
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hey man you can't win against a chili cook-off it was more like hey these people were mean to me
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these people were mean to me I'm mad at this banjo player who no one knows who the fuck he is yeah
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yeah all right man you're worried about some local banjo player
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when you put it like that this local banjo player's politics are too far to the left for me
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oh god what a good use of time oh man it's it yeah there's nothing quite like a national radio
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show to really go after the banjo issue incessantly so Jordan we'll be back for another
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episode but until then we have a website indeed we do it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on
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twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight yep we'll be back but until then
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I'm neo I'm leo I'm dzxclark see talking about how there will be a bit here in the future has
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now become a bit and I feel deflated no I'm trying to find a way to what no the bit is
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is long exhale yeah yeah and now here comes the sex robots Andy in Kansas you're on the
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air thanks for holding hello Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work