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Hello Alex, I'm a first time calling in with your fan.
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I love your word.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex
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Jodens.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's your bright spot, buddy?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, is it is finally time to announce the book project, the home
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of this, and forthcoming deconstructive projects.
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I don't want to tease too much, but obviously Alex has another book that has just come out,
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The Great Awakening, that will need to be dealt with.
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I told you, I told myself, and I told the audience, that we would never cover Reset
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Wars, and I've decided to go back on that promise.
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Oh, my God.
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There will be coverage of Reset Wars at this website.
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Sure, sure.
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And that website, Jordan, a lot of people have bought us fun URLs over the years.
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Of course, fillyourhand.com was, I think, the first of the...
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I think so, too, yeah.
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But there have been a number of great URLs that redirect to knowledgefight.com, and I
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appreciate everybody who has done that.
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Yes.
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But there is one URL that I thought was unattainable, that I thought never would be able to be snatched
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up, but I have snatched it up, and it was cheap, $12 a year.
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This was not an expensive URL.
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That is cheap.
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Alexjonesisanidiot.com is our website for this.
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The great reset coverage is there, and you can enjoy it at your leisure.
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It's long, too long, many have said.
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Who owned that URL, and how does that work?
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I don't think anyone did.
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I think it was open.
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What does that even mean?
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I think it was available.
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What does that mean?
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That no one had alexjonesisanidiot.com?
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So then, is that a thing?
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What do you do then?
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Does everybody have to auction it?
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Do you have to fight for it?
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What is it?
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I think demand was low.
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Or is it just literally like, it's like a company that just has them, and you register
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it as to you?
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Yeah, it's like GoDaddy.
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Okay.
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They have all the domains and stuff, right?
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All right.
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I mean, I don't know how it works either.
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Yeah, because I mean, now that I think about it, in the back of my head, there's a part
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of me that's like, so it's like one company owns all the URLs, and then you go to their
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warehouse, and you're like, oh, Alex Jones and Idiot, it's still on the shelves, okay.
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I've not researched this in any way, but here's what my guess is.
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My guess is that all domain names are available, essentially.
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Except for the ones that are taken.
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And so, you use a service like GoDaddy, and it costs whatever amount a year for their
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registration service, or whatever.
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You could conceivably maybe do it yourself, but it might cost you more than $12 in the
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process of doing it per year, or something.
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And so the reason that some are higher up than others, some are way more expensive,
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is because someone's sitting on them.
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So people have pre-registered these domain names, because they want to make it so you
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have to get into a bidding war with them.
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Like alexjones.com, or something like that, it's going to be prohibitively expensive.
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But alexjones is an idiot.com, wide open.
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Apparently.
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Yep.
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You know why?
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Maybe it is.
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Yeah, maybe it is.
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But that's why it's a perfect URL for my purposes.
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It is!
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It is!
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It's confrontational.
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I mean, it's better than onthenose.com.
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See if that's available.
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So I'm excited, I hope people enjoy, and have a good time.
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Yes!
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is this weekend, Banner Weekend, for anime.
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Not quite the Hulk.
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David Banner.
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Netflix just released Blue Eye Samurai, which is fucking amazing.
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If you like samurai movies, anything, anything.
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If you even are okay with them, it is fucking awesome.
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If you're tolerant of samurai movies.
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If you're tolerant of samurai anything, this is awesome.
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No doubt, really really well written, the anime is just so good, it's just awesome.
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And then finally, Attack on Titan ended.
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It finally ended, after so many years, so the last season was about three years ago
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and then they did two more seasons.
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To give you an idea of how...
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It's like Fast and Furious.
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It just won't go.
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It just won't stop.
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And then it did, it finally ended.
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So it was great, it was a good ending.
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Good for them.
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How long has it been around?
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Is this a General Hospital, Days of Our Lives kind of thing?
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No, like probably a decade, something like that maybe.
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That's a good run.
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Yeah, great run.
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Yeah, and it was a good ending.
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Attack on Titan is a name that I have nothing to attach to.
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I have no, my brain is trying to find any specific I can think of and I got nothing.
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I'm thinking of Titan AE, that movie.
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And I'll tell you this, do you know what's crazy about it?
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The bad things, they're called Titans, right?
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But they're not on Titan.
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The planet.
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Yeah, well the moon or whatever.
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So it's not like you're attacking on, it's like an assault on a thing, it's just kind
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of like a...
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They are Titans, it's an attack on them.
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Right, kind of.
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It's a Titanomachy, as the Greeks would put it.
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It's a frustrating name.
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I've always found it to, it's like a slant rhyme, it's close, but it's not right.
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This certainly doesn't help me put more details to the name.
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So I'm still just as confused as ever.
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Nah, you're good.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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Sure.
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And here's the sitch.
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What?
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Alex quit on our last episode.
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Yes he did.
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On Thursday's episode, November 1st of last week, he quit like a little baby.
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Cried in a huff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then so on Friday, he had a little video of him in his backyard.
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I'm sorry?
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Yeah, that played at the beginning of the show.
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And then somebody else hosted, it wasn't even hosting, it was just a video of like a couple
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people talking shit for most of the show, and then Drew Hernandez, the baby reporter,
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took over towards the end of the show.
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Ouch.
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And just Alex rambling for a couple minutes in his backyard, like this isn't good.
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Then he did a show on Saturday.
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Was he wearing all of his clothes correctly, or was he wearing like shorts with big hearts
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on them?
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I mean, here's where things get interesting.
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Only shot from the shoulder up, shoulders up.
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No idea if he had pants on.
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So he's definitely outside the pool.
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He could be.
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So then on Saturday he put out a special report, and he just called in and did a little bit
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on the phone on that.
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Whereas the beginning of the show is all Viva Fry, who's the guy who does that podcast with
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Bobby Barnes.
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He's another lawyer who's friends with Barnes.
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And so he hosted interviewing somebody who's apparently writing a book on the 13 bloodlines
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of the Illuminati or some shit.
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I love those bloodlines.
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But apparently she was like live streaming Trump's trial or something like that, and
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she got in trouble, so that's why she's relevant.
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I don't know.
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Not interesting.
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Nope.
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And then the end of that episode, the last like hour or so, is Joel Gilbert, the guy
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who got screwed by Alex on Thursday, the guy who made the documentary quote unquote about
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Michelle Obama.
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And then we didn't do the promo, so fuck it, we're just not gonna talk to him, we're rescheduling.
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He shows up, he's got a trailer, he's got a promo, he's got everything.
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He alone, without Alex, does an entire presentation about this Michelle Obama film.
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I like that.
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But none of that is really worthwhile to talk about.
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None of that is gonna be an episode.
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No.
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And so I dove back into the past.
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Sure.
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It's been a while since we've had a 2004 episode.
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It has.
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And so I thought that would be perfect.
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Unfortunately, in March 2004, there's a little bit of a lull in Alex's content, and I ended
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up hitting like three or four episodes in a row that were like, there's nothing happening
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here.
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And so that's a time suck that ends up leading to a situation where Sunday is approaching
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us when we need to record, and I got nothing.
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What do we have to do?
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You know, I just had a thought, right?
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You know what I find interesting is that when I look back over my time in the W years, so
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much time spent on, what dumb thing did W say today?
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We don't do any of that, you know?
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I find that fascinating, to go back and just be like, that didn't even happen in our, this
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worldview.
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In Alex's world?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there is not really strategery and that kind of stuff.
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It's kind of fascinating how an entire world, I recall, is so obsessed with those kinds
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of things, and then in Alex's world, it's just like not even there.
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We might just not be on the right days yet.
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That's possible.
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I don't know if we have a full, like we haven't gotten to the reelection yet.
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Yeah, that's true.
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You know, there's still a lot of Bush left to go.
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And you never, and you know what, I don't remember what, you know, because was he machine
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gunning those out?
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You know, was that a factory like one every day he's got another idiotic thing?
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It feels like it.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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It felt like that, but maybe he only said like 10 stupid things.
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Fool me once.
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Won't get fooled again.
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Was that what it was?
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Oh my God.
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That was one of them.
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That was something like that.
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Oh my God.
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Fool me once.
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Won't get fooled again.
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I know it was a little bit more to that quote than, but anyway, I was thinking about like
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some high profile guests and stuff that we haven't covered and I couldn't really come
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up with any off the top of my head that I would know where to find them and you know,
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it's just, what are we going to do?
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Yeah.
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And so I realized there's one thing we haven't covered and here's an out of context drop
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from that.
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Alex, are you over six inches?
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You know, I mean, I can get the job done.
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Really.
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Okay.
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So in 2013 Alex was on Howard Stern and Howard Stern asked him if his dick was over six inches.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yep.
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Oh man.
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That is, that is a maddening answer.
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Mm hmm.
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I get the job done.
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What does that mean?
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So it's a surreal environment for Alex to be in, but you know, I think I knew, of course
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I knew this happened.
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Yeah.
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But I think I felt like I don't want to cover this cause first of all, I don't know, I don't
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like Stern that much.
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Right.
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I never was a big Stern guy growing up.
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Sure.
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And it just, it kind of felt dumb.
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But I decided, Hey, let's, we have something to cover.
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Here we are.
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Why not dive in and see what Howard Stern and Alex Jones got up to.
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Roll them bones.
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This was also, I should say, uh, it's in 2013.
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Okay.
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It is in the immediate time after Alex was on Piers Morgan and screamed at him.
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Sure.
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And so that was when Alex was a hot commodity in the, uh, in the media.
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Right.
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And I believe if I had to guess based on the way this goes, uh, Howard was interested in
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maybe him being part of a whack pack.
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Okay.
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You know, like we've got this crazy guy who yelled at Piers Morgan.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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He might be another interesting, insane person to add to our, our, uh, cadre.
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Right, right, right, right.
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I gotcha.
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So, so this may be like a recruitment interview as well.
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Or at least a spectacle.
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Right.
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Well, sure.
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So we'll get down to business on this Jordan, but first, uh, let's say hello to some new
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wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Mandalf, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, my name is JR.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Good old JR.
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Next, happy first anniversary to my amazing wife, the future pirate queen of Lake Michigan.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Baron Von Count Grishnekak Desaad and his faithful steed, Poots the Cat.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And Alex Jones is my emotional support demagogue.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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You are now a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to VHS, the pacifist
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lizard queen, and her dog Woodstock, the tiny love festival.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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I got confused while reading that because Woodstock in Peanuts is not the dog.
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Not the dog.
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Very specifically, not the dog, but hangs out on the dog house.
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Right.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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Untangle these threads.
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Totally accurate statement you have made.
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So here is the beginning of Stern's interview with Alex, introduces him, and of course the
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context of this is that post Piers Morgan thing.
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And so Alex talks about how they desperately wanted, they wanted to keep him off the show
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and all this.
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Alex Jones is a radio host.
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He's on a lot of, I don't even know how many, Alex, how many stations are you on?
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Around 150 Howard.
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It's great to be here with you and Robin and the whole crew.
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It's crazy to be here.
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I've been listening to you for more than 20 years.
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Well, great to have you on because we saw you on Piers Morgan and we became really enjoyed
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it.
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I think it was the best Piers Morgan appearance I've ever seen.
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Well, folks liked it and they said it was the highest ratings they've had in their entire
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two year history.
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But I ran into Piers Morgan in Houston a few weeks ago and he said, they're basically scared
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to have me back on.
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Why?
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Why would they be scared of you?
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I guess they're afraid of ratings.
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Well, he said on video, actually caught it on video down in Houston, he said, we don't
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want to give you that much attention.
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I'm like, no, no, no.
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It's having controversy on your show that gave you attention and made it the number
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one story in the United States for a whole week, Piers.
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So that's a fun way of putting it.
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Like I ran into Piers Morgan.
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I just randomly ran into him.
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It was so weird.
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I was at the store.
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All right.
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And then I went to go, well, cause I hadn't put the quarter into the machine.
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So I went to go look at that and who is across the street getting a new pair of shoes, but
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Piers Morgan.
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Or even like more to the point that you're trying to like express is like me and Piers
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run in similar circles and we just happened to run into each other as opposed to Alex
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cornering him at an event Piers was doing and begging him to come back on the show.
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Yep.
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Hey man, we can have a lot of fun.
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We got a lot of ratings.
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It was good.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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It's a good way to put it when you're talking to Stern.
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We were there.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, he went to New York to do this interview with Piers Morgan.
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Right.
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Is he in studio with Howard?
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I only.
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Howard.
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Listen.
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Mr. Stern, please.
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I don't know him.
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Yeah, Alex does say here in Austin at one point.
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So I think they're doing it remotely.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Gotcha.
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Um, but, uh, he went to New York and, uh, she was, she was crazy, man.
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Sure.
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They were people all over the place following him.
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Right.
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There is a paranoid delusional fantasy that Alex expresses about his time in New York
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here.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, you have said that you were scared even to go to New York because you,
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you do have conspiracy theories and you were afraid they were plotting to kill you in New
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York, right?
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I don't know.
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Well, I mean, just to be honest, uh, I mean, I've snuck into Bohemian Grove, I've covered
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skull and bones, I've covered military operations, I've been arrested in New York, uh, for demonstrating
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things like that.
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It was after, well, well first they wanted to drive me the five or six blocks and pick
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us up.
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And I said, you know what?
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I want to walk down to the CNN building.
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And so they had cops in plain clothes that kept popping out.
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I even caught someone on video going, Hey Alex, where are you going?
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You planning something?
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And then when I left, they were following us and it looked like, it looked like cops
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from the movie Goodfellas or something.
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And then at our hotel, they were waiting for us.
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And I said, you know what?
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I think I'm going to get in a cab.
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We're already flying out of New Jersey.
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I said, let's just drive out, stay in New Jersey and fly out the next morning.
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So yes, my spidey sense, which, which I mean, I rarely get up and leave someplace.
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I had a bad feeling with a bunch of New York detectives following me around.
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I got out of the city.
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Yeah, that's it.
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And you live in Texas and that's your thing.
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You married guy?
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Yes, I am.
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Yeah.
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And you got kids?
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Three of them.
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So Stern, you can tell is kind of like, all right, let's move along this.
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Maybe we'll touch back on this.
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This interview is like just nuts.
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It makes no sense, except through the prism of Stern, like being like, see if I can get
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some entertainment out of this guy.
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Yeah, it does seem that way.
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And the way that Robin treats it is very fun.
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I already appreciate just that.
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Oh no.
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They tried to kill you.
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They tried to kill me.
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Oh no.
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Like, okay.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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We get it.
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Nobody tried to kill you.
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Fox News lured me.
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Detectives?
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Detectives.
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Come on, man.
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So the idea behind it is basically that Mike Bloomberg was trying to lure Alex to New York
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basically.
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Sure.
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And I guess he must have.
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Now that part makes sense.
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He must have had Piers Morgan invite Alex to come on.
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That tracks.
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In order to put him in a place where he could be kettled and these detectives would entrap
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him or somehow snatch him up or kill him.
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That's beat cop shit.
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You don't need a detective for that.
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What does a detective even do in there?
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They do a better job.
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Well listen, nobody's arguing that fact.
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Cleaner assassination methods.
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That is important.
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That is important.
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So Stern, he shifts over to your family stuff and then gets back to the, do you think people
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were trying to murder you in New York?
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Right, right, right.
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Okay, okay.
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And he gets Alex to waffle a little bit with that.
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What?
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Yeah, it's interesting.
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Oh, weak.
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Don't you lose people with, although, I mean, listen, you're a radio guy.
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You got to be a performer too and you got to hold an audience.
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If you keep upping the ante with like, you know, like you said, Mayor Bloomberg probably
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hired the mafia or undercover cops to pose as crackheads to kill you while you're in
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New York City.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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You know, during the Piers Morgan thing.
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That's where you start to lose people because you're like, you know what I mean?
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You're going to, sure.
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Like you could, you could probably run for office or something if you, if you didn't
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go after the really far out there conspiracy theory.
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Listen, Howard, I totally agree with you that that sounds crazy.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Right.
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Here's the deal.
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It happened, so I talked about it.
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I've never put out something saying they're coming after us.
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Look out.
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This is going on.
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I was sick when I went to New York, had the flu, was throwing up in the CNN bathroom.
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That's why I described how dirty it was.
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It was really disgusting to me, spinning over a toilet with craft spray all over the wall.
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Literally not for me.
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Other people.
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I'm in this filthy bathroom throwing up.
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I got to go out there.
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I'm sweating.
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I'm up there with Piers Morgan.
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Actually, I wasn't putting on, you know, quote, an act.
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I was pissed off.
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I did blow up, but it actually worked out at first.
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People were all shocked by it, but then they said, wait a minute, and of course I heard
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Robin the day after talking about it.
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Look, you know, you should be mad.
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That's being a real American.
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They said it discredited me, but notice they haven't invited me back.
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Right.
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They don't want America waking up out of its coma and getting upset, but listen, getting
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back to the whole Bloomberg thing.
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That night, before we left the hotel, it might have been a little panicked.
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I might have even, in my own mind, exaggerated things.
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Maybe not.
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I'm sorry.
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I caught some of this on tape.
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In my own mind, exactly.
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My news director went with me.
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I said, man, I feel like crap.
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Maybe if I walk down the street and I'm sick, maybe I'll feel better when we get there.
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So I'm walking the five, six blocks, and guys are popping out of doorways that are obviously
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cops going, hey, buddy, what you planning?
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You planning to do something?
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I'm a big listener.
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You think that he was plotting against you, Bloomberg?
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I'm just guessing as he runs the city, and they look like detectives to me that I've
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seen around Bloomberg when I've been up in New York.
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Could they have been friends with Bloomberg?
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Listen.
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Man, that guy probably is a cop.
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It happened twice.
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Three times.
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They knew where I was at.
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A lady.
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They obviously had the cell phone tracking systems that the police, under Homeland Security,
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can dial into and pinpoint exactly where you're at, just like your wife, if she has your phone
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coming, knows where you're at.
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Alex, do you ever think that you're paranoid, seriously, because-
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No, listen.
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I caught it on tape.
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That's the thing, is that then I said, I said, I want to be let on the mall exit.
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I don't want to be let out on the back door.
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His guys are waiting out there.
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And we walk out, and there's the guy turning, walking, talking into his sleeve, bumping
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into the wall, and two other guys are walking up like in a Goodfellas movie, and I said
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taxi and jumped in a cab and left.
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All I know is-
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Do you think they wanted you out of New York?
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Listen, I was arrested, it's on video, in New York, five years ago, for nothing.
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Okay, we were down there protesting at Fox News.
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They had a live event.
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What were you protesting?
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We were protesting media propaganda.
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Okay.
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But the point is, I was protesting-
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This is general.
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This is general protest.
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No, he was protesting Geraldo Rivera.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I found that video.
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I've watched it.
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He was arrested, and it was for inciting people, like he had his bullhorn out and everything.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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And it was a demonstration, a place that didn't have a permit to hold a rally.
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Right, right, right, right.
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So it was that.
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There was a reason, you can argue whether it's a good enough reason or not, to detain
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him momentarily.
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Sure.
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But yeah.
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Yeah.
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So he was almost killed by these detectives.
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I mean, you can't really argue with the way he's laying it out, it sounds not like a paranoid
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person at all.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Sounds legit.
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It is weird to exist in the totality of Alex's career now, where it's like, we know what
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he sounded like in 2004, obviously, in 1999, we know what he sounded like.
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Yet we're in 2013 all the way, all these years later, and it's stills Howard Stern being
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like, Alex, do you sound paranoid?
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You know?
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And it's like, you don't even fuck, we should all be doing something about this!
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Howard being like, do you sound paranoid?
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No!
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Well, it's an interesting point, because at this stage, in 2013, the public awareness
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of Alex Jones would have been fairly minimal.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He was well known within conspiracy and pretty far right-wing media-ish circles, but in terms
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of his penetration of mainstream awareness, there was some 9-11 blips that he might have
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come to the surface with, there might have been some instances where his involvement
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with the Tea Party might have made him closer to relevant to people, but until he was on
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that Piers Morgan show, there was not really a ton of, like, who is this guy, he's a big
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name.
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People were more interested in Glenn Beck, honestly.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Weird.
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Weird times.
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So it makes sense for Howard to have a little bit of a, who is this, kind of fucker on here,
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talking nonsense.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, he does sound a little paranoid, I think.
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What's Howard's plan here?
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I don't think he has one.
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I think he wants to find out how big Alex's dick is.
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I mean, I feel like that's probably where we should go.
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That comes up later in a part that I did not include, where Alex is describing how he had
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sex at 12 and all that stuff, all of his childhood dalliances that he does not believe to be
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traumatic.
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Yeah.
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Very, very, very traumatic.
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Fucking traumatic to me, yeah.
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So the police were following Alex, and then he admits that he might be overblowing all
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of this.
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Well.
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Listen, my point is, I know when people are basically hunting you, you know when a tiger
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is crawling on its front paws about to pounce on a gazelle or something, okay?
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No, that's the point.
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You know when cops are on your butt planning something, they had a look in their eyes like
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they were planning something.
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You know the difference when cops have just got you staked out to see if you're planning
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something and the difference when they're acting really aggressive and bugging their
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eyes about it.
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I really don't know the difference.
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Actually, I don't want to tear your head off.
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And my instinct was, get the hell out of here.
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You think they don't like you?
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Now, do you think you're safe in Texas?
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Is that why you broadcast from there?
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Listen, I go out, I've snuck on military bases to cover urban warfare drills.
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I snuck into Bohemian Grove.
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I go out there without bodyguards and do all this stuff.
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I'm not normally a timid person.
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I've gone in, I've gotten my Piers Morgan interview.
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I had the flu.
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So when you're dizzy and puking, do you feel like going to jail?
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Are you in fear for your life?
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Not generally.
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I mean, I'm in fear for my life.
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I drive to work.
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That's the most dangerous thing in this country, right?
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Is automobiles.
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But listen, let's just be specific here.
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I'm bold.
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I'm the opposite of fearful.
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I was off balance.
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I was sick in New York.
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I was going off pure adrenaline.
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And that's why, I mean, imagine, Howard, I'm sure before you've had an event or some big
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thing you've got to do, you're a consummate professional.
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Have you ever been sick before and had to go on air and were kind of an asshole?
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Many times.
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I'm not kind of an asshole every day.
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No, you're not.
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But when you're sick and have to perform, do you tend to be almost even more focused
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than pissed?
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Yes.
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It's funny.
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Some of my best shows are when I'm really sick.
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Exactly.
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So, again, I mean, sure, I had the flu.
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I had 102 fever.
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Did I overblow?
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Cops following me around?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wait, what?
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Did I make all this up because I have these excuses that I was sick and I had a fever?
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Yes, of course I did.
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I just got to let him keep talking until he says, yes, of course I was lying to you.
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Right.
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And have a high status person like Howard Stern who won't let things go necessarily.
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No, and it was, it is basically, no, it's 100% Austin Powers like, oh no, he asked you
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three times.
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And at the third time he's like, yeah, I made it all up.
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Like it's that simple.
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If you just ask him, nobody ever follows up, nobody just asks him three times.
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But it has to be like, this environment is really unique in some ways because it's live,
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presumably.
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Sure.
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It is Howard Stern, who's somebody who's a giant celebrity and someone who Alex says
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multiple times, I've listened to you for years.
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Yeah.
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So it's someone who Alex enjoys and likes and it's also somebody who has keen interviewing
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instincts and can tell when Alex is trying to dodge something and is willing to be like,
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nope, what are you talking about?
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What are you talking about?
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And yeah, that's, that's a, that's a threatening position for Alex.
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Cause you just ended up saying, yeah, I made it up.
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I over blew it in my head.
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Yeah, of course.
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I had a fever and so I made it up.
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And it's more fun to imagine that I'm being chased out of New York by Bloomberg hired
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mafia undercover detective goons.
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Yeah.
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Come on man.
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You know, it's better for the brand.
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Sure.
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So they talk a little bit about the turning the frogs gay thing and it turns out frogs
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are gay.
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Sure.
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Fish are bisexual and shrimp are becoming suicidal.
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These are the talking points of the ocean.
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All right.
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Um, and so they want to, Stern and Robin want to touch on this and be like, you don't hate
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gay people, right?
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Where are you on gay marriage?
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Wow.
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Man.
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Great times to be alive.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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How do you stand on gay marriage?
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Where are you on gay marriage?
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I don't care about it.
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Well, listen, I'm a libertarian, so I think people should be able to do whatever they
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want.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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So this is not a homophobic thing.
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What happened when you went on the show?
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The view, was it a disaster?
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I didn't see tape of that.
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No, it was great.
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I mean, I took it over.
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Right.
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Uh, I mean, I mean, what's the point of, you know, they wanted to basically make fun of
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Charlie Sheen when I was on there and, uh, you know, I've known Charlie for about eight
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years.
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I probably stayed at his house 15 times.
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He's a really, really interesting fellow and, uh, that I would say, yes, is beyond even
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what people here.
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He's, he's a really smart guy.
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So like when you go over Charlie's house because you become friendly, he's a fan of yours,
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right?
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He, he, he buys into a lot of your theories.
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Sure.
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But I shouldn't have let the meltdown happen a year and a half ago on my show because it
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was first Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez that were listeners.
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It was Emilio that turned him on to the show and my films, and then Charlie invited me
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out there, you know, called me back in like 2005.
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And then, uh, you know, was it culture shock for you when you went over his house?
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No, there's no easy ball back then.
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He was all clean and, and just incredibly smart and incredible energy.
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The guy would sit there, uh, you know, up till 2 a.m. just talking about quantum mechanics
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and stuff.
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Does he know what he's talking about?
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Oh, he does.
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Let's see.
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The issue is, and he's fine.
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You know, quantum mechanics, I mean, I'm into stuff like that.
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Sure.
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I mean, that's what I'm into.
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That's your thing.
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That's his thing.
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That's his thing.
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Yeah.
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Definitely.
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I mean, it's all hours of the night rambling about quantum mechanics when you're an actor.
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That's when he was clean.
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Yeah.
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Totally clean.
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That's when he was totally clean.
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Well, I mean, that's when things were getting cleaned a lot because he was up all night
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all the time.
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Right.
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Compulsively clean, some might say.
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So, oh, so almost, oh, too clean.
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Now, um, I think that Alex believes himself to be a fan of gay marriage or fine with gay
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marriage at this point in his life.
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He's lying to himself and to everyone around him.
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But I do think that he thinks that's his position at this point.
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Right.
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That said, I'm fascinated by the idea that he's able to articulate that he shouldn't
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have let Charlie Sheen behave the way he did on his show.
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I am blown away by that.
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Because that is the truth.
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Yeah.
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As a friend, as somebody who has any concern for the welfare of others over what ratings
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you'll get out of something, he had every obligation to not allow that interview to
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proceed like Charlie Sheen was obviously fucked up.
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And Alex was actually egging him on because it was good radio and it ruined Charlie Sheen's
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fucking life.
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Yeah.
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That is, it is really strange to hear him say it, to hear Alex so readily.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it's just be like, yeah, I've, I've actually analyzed my behavior from that time, recognized
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a failing and I'm now willing to admit to that, especially considering we know that
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he doesn't give a fuck about Joe Rogan, you know, like he doesn't give a fuck about any
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of these people.
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Did God tell him to destroy Charlie Sheen?
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I I'm going to, maybe that's the problem.
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Maybe God was like, come on man, why didn't you save Charlie Sheen?
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I loved that guy.
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Or God was like, Major League One, great, Major League Two, hotshots part one, hotshots
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part two.
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Okay.
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Part two, really.
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No one cares about hotshots.
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It had to rhyme with two.
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Listen.
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I'm channeling Alex because he's saying listen a lot in this interview.
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I think that God was probably telling Alex while he was doing that interview, this is
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good shit, man.
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Keep it going.
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Keep it going.
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Ironically, I bet God was saying the same thing to Charlie Sheen.
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Yeah.
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So the question of drugs comes up and Alex is weirdly cagey about something.
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Sure.
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Did he ever try to do drugs with you?
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No, listen, I've never seen him do drugs.
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I've never, all I've seen him is smoke Marlboro Reds and drink tons of coffee.
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You ever do, were you ever into drugs?
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You know, I mean, I've been honest about it growing up in Dallas, Texas, I experimented
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with this and that, but every time I, uh, sure pot, yes, loads.
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You know, I never really liked, I mean, I tried hard drugs once or twice, LSE, um, how
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am I going to discuss Alex?
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Did you do LSD?
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No, I didn't.
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I didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewanski.
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Why don't you talk about drug use?
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Seriously.
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I smoked pot, but I didn't inhale.
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Did you, how come you don't, uh, do you want to run for office or something?
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Listen here, I got to tell you something, Howard, Alex, why don't you talk about that?
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You seem pretty honest.
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Why don't you talk about stuff like that?
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Because it's a distraction and overall diversion.
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And I might have a glass of wine now and I don't even smoke cigars anymore.
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So I mean, that's basically it.
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I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a clean guy.
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So, so if you admit that you did acid, it would hurt who?
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Undermine your argument.
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Well, yeah, then Howard would say, well, that's why he's so paranoid.
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No, no, no.
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I wouldn't say that.
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I did it.
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I did acid.
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I mean, I was the biggest mistake of my life.
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I'm high on reality.
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They perfectly nailed why Alex wouldn't talk about this.
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He has such a defensiveness about it because he feels that people would not take him seriously
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if they knew that he'd done hallucinogenic things in the past.
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That is, that's the instinct that I'm talking about that Howard Stern has that a lot of
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other interviewers don't have.
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And because of his high status with Alex, he's able to operate in this way and ask those
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questions that Alex would storm out or not, you know, take seriously for someone else.
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The point there is, is pretty important.
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I think that Alex is fine saying I've done hash.
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Sure.
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I've smoked weed.
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Sure.
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And also you could tell that Howard is, is fucking with him because the next one was
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ludes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You've done quaaludes?
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Yeah.
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If I were Alex, I'd be kind of self-conscious about that too, because he is so clearly
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unbalanced, that like, pretending he's an acid casualty or something like that makes
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some sense.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's, it's hard not to be, if anybody's yelling about MK ultra too much, who also
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did LSD, you, you immediately drop them down a peg or two and the credibility train.
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And Alex doesn't want to have to deal with the reality of what his credibility is.
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He wants to sort of whitewash a little bit.
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Sure.
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At least in this situation, you know, but I don't know how, I don't know how hard it
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would be to say, to admit that you've done LSD.
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If you're yelling about how God downloaded everything into your brain over a chicken
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fried steak.
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Well, he's high on reality.
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Well, I mean, you can do both.
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Can you?
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I'll give it a shot.
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You can probably do both, but Alex recognizes that his arguments about his own shit fall
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apart a little bit.
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If you're like, Oh, you're, you're, you've done, done a bunch of drugs.
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It is, it is weird.
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It is weird that if you say it's a dream or if you say you did drugs, people immediately
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go, ah, I'm going to ignore that.
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But if you just say that, no, it really happened, people, a lot of people will go, whoa, or
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it was a vision.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And nobody ever just goes, Oh, well see, here's the other scenarios where people say this,
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go fuck yourself.
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And I want to, I want to quickly clarify what I'm saying too, really quick about, about
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this.
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I don't think that Alex having done acid, uh, makes him any less credible or whatever.
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I don't believe that, but I believe that in Alex's head, he projects that onto other people
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that they would not take him seriously if they knew he did hallucinogens in his past.
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Totally.
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And I think correctly.
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Well, not onto us, but maybe on the, on the greater whole.
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Meanwhile, he's on his show talking about doing crack on the beach.
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You did heroin once.
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I know those are, but those are genteel drugs.
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And he did hash.
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We learned now he did hash.
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There's nobody put hash.
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I drank mead.
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What are you talking about?
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Hash Jesus Christ.
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So there's a new death, uh, new death just dropped relatively, uh, bin Laden's dad.
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Oh, okay.
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Um, and Alex doesn't believe that shit and he references a very credible source.
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Okay.
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Well, let me understand something.
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You, you, you, do you think, uh, Osama bin Laden was killed, uh, during the, you know,
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during the, when we found out, what do you think he got?
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What do you think he's alive?
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Well, I mean, here's the issue.
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See, let me just go back for a moment.
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You really don't believe they killed him.
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Let me just break this down.
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Okay.
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We had day one with Dr. Steve, who was the former head of, of, of the state department
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and CIA psychological operations.
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He's the guy that, uh, got the Anwar Sadat deal at Camp David.
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He's the guy, he's the guy that co-wrote Tom Clancy's books.
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Okay.
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He killed Aldo Moro.
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That's the one he did do.
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I just want to go on record as saying, I think Osama right now is being eaten by gay fish
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and suicidal shrimp.
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I think he's in that water right now.
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Is it a bisexual shrimp or are they sucking his dick right now?
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But go ahead, Alex, you, you, hey, hey, did you guys search engine the suicidal shrimp
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to find out I'm not lying?
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No, I haven't done it yet.
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Not yet.
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We're going to go home and do home work.
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I'm treadmills.
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I'm treadmills.
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Benji, what's it say about suicidal shrimp?
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Yeah, no, I looked it up.
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It's a, he talked about, now their intention might not be suicide, but like he said, they
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swim.
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They go out of their minds and they swim to where they're not protected.
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Right.
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Right.
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There you go.
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There you go.
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So yeah, Alex says, Steve Pachanik, most reliable source, super credible guy, willing to drop
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his name on a, on a Howard Stern show to impress him a little bit.
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Not so, not so much these days.
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I think outside, like pure alien wise, the sheer weirdness of the, the diversity of places
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that Steve Pachanik seems to pop up, maddening, absolute insanity.
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I do have something of a belief that he might be underneath the surface.
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One of the more influential people in, in something he's caused a lot of damage for
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someone who's not a household name.
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Something yeah, by virtue of a lot of the things that he was instrumental in pushing
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through Alex it's, I mean, he's a major part of Alex adopting Trump.
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Sure.
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He's a major part of Alex's belief in false flags, particularly in the case of like Sandy
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hook.
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Yep.
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He is somebody who, I don't know what the reality of any connection is, but he was preaching
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basically what QAnon is before QAnon existed.
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Yep.
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He's, he's a guy who's up to some shit.
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There's a Forrest Gump element, but if like, if you know, every time, every scene where
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Forrest Gump shows up in a historical thing and everybody's like, Oh, he's there.
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Instead Steve Pachanik is like kicking somebody in the shin and then it sets off a weird domino
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effect.
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Like it's not, and it's not like, Oh, he's whispering in the ears of important people.
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It is literally, he kicks a guy in the shin and then the Rube Goldberg machine kicked
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that pops off and then all tomorrow's dead.
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Steve has a resume that is fraudulent, but it is full of ways in which he has been incredibly
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influential and the most important person in the world.
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Yes.
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And the truth is he has been really influential, just not in the ways that his resume would
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say.
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Yeah.
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I fucked with Alex to the point where I have really just destroyed minds.
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Yeah.
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Of tons of his audience.
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And I would be more proud of his actual CV than his, than his fake one.
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His fake one is clearly, yeah, I like it, but I mean the real one is obviously like,
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that's too much.
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You were too busy.
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You know what that CV says?
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It says you neglected your wife.
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But he would not be able to pull off the things that are in his real CV if it weren't for
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the fake things in his fake CV.
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No, that's one part of his real CV.
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No one would take him as seriously if like he didn't have, I took down the Soviet Union
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single handedly in his resume.
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Sure.
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But I mean one part of his resume is great resume writer.
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That is true, that is true.
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So Alex explains his conspiracy surrounding Bin Laden and I think that, I don't know,
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this isn't well articulated.
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Go to Bin Laden, is he being eaten by gay shrimp or not?
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Listen, here's the deal.
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Dr. Steve Pacinek said on 2002 on my show, and he's a doctor, a medical doctor, not just
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a psychiatrist.
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He said that Bin Laden died of kidney failure and where he died, and even CBS News reported
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he was at the American hospital in Dubai dying in 2002.
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This is what's insane, but that if he would be rolled out later by Bush, but see Walter
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Cronkite came out before he died and then Madeline Albright came out in 2004 during
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the election, Bush's reelection, and so did Kerry's wife, Heinz, Kerry.
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They all came out, look this up folks, and said-
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I can't believe this.
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Wait a minute, let him finish.
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And listen, I swear to God, look it up, you'll have an amazing video.
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Just wrap it up, wrap it up, I got to hear what you're going to say.
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Go ahead.
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Let me just give you sources, so you're listening to all this crap.
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They all came out and said, Dr. Pacinek's right, Bin Laden has been frozen over Air
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Force Base, and they're going to roll out- I'm not- I'm not laughing, because I just
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felt-
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They're going to roll out his-
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I don't blame you for this.
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Robin's right in there with you, don't worry.
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They're going to roll out his dead body.
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No, I just don't believe his death now meant anything.
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But listen, here's what I'm saying, because Walter Cronkite and the former Secretary of
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State, Madeline Albright, came out and said, Bush, don't bring out his body to get reelected,
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they couldn't do it, so they kept him frozen, and then they had the Navy Seals go to a house
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to get the thawed out dead body, and then they blew up the Navy Seals when they got
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on the helicopter, so that it wouldn't actually get out, and then two weeks later, I talked
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to one of the Navy Seals, whose buddy died in Seal Team 6, here in Austin, I talked to
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them, remember, 23 of them blew up on the helicopter in Afghanistan, they then blew
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up the guys, so they couldn't tell the truth, and now it turns out no one saw the body thrown
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off the aircraft carrier.
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But who's going to all this trouble?
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They fired everybody on the aircraft carrier.
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And how are they- and what about this guy who was in the military, who just said he's
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the guy who put the bullet in Bin Laden's head, and he's saying that he can't even get
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any kind of help in terms of, you know, assistance or money from the government, he can't find
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a job, I mean, he seems pretty legitimate, he put a bullet-
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Now, it's all part of a psy-op, so it's believable, so you feel sorry for him.
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Ah, it's all part of a psy-op to make us feel sorry for him, so it's believable.
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That tracks.
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Yeah, so they had Bin Laden frozen, right?
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So hold on, hold on.
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Okay!
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Let me say my piece.
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I'm hell- I'm being held on!
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Cronkite.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Teresa Heinz Carey.
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Sure.
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Naturally.
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Margaret Thatcher.
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But, I mean, no, Albright.
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Albright, sorry.
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Not Thatcher.
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Excuse me.
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I think Thatcher's dead by this point.
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Maybe.
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Maybe she's frozen.
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Who knows?
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Could be!
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That's what I- that's where my problems start.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So they all say, hey man, Pecanik's right, don't bring out Bin Laden's dead body to help
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you get re-elected.
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It was a very weird thing for them to say to Bush through the news.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we've-
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We could've sent a letter.
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We've seen a little bit of what this is based on already in our 2004 episodes.
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Yeah.
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It's all nonsense.
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Yeah.
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But it's a very interesting, like, compelling kind of conspiracy if you don't have any basis
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for understanding of what Alex is talking about.
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Right, right, right.
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If this is all just being spat at you wholesale, like, why would he say all this stuff if it's
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not real?
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Why would he?
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There's so many specifics and so many details.
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Yeah.
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Theresa Hines Kerry told Bush not to do it.
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So then, so then, they had him frozen, they put him in that house, thawed him out, then
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the Marines came, SEAL Team 6 came and got him.
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Blew up that helicopter.
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Had to kill all of the elite SEAL team in order to make sure that they didn't talk about
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how they just went to get a frozen body.
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Sure.
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And Alex knows this from talking to somebody who I assume is Tonto.
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Tonto Speranto.
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Something.
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Something along those lines.
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Ah.
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Here's my problem.
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How could, how could you have a problem?
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Once you, now the rest of us make sense.
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Okay.
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Once you, this is the only problem I have, everything else makes perfect sense.
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Once you've got Osama Bin Laden frozen.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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You're keeping him someplace.
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Now, I cannot help but think that if you've already got an Osama Bin Laden frozen, you've
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got a frozen people playbook.
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Yeah.
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Which means you've done this before.
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Which means I wonder who else is in that frozen meat locker and then I think to myself, once
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you've got two or three plus famous people, frozen, frozen corpses in your meat locker,
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right?
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Yeah.
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Maybe you want another one.
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Maybe you start collecting frozen famous people.
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Now let me, let me flip this on you.
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Okay.
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What if it is the first time?
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What if.
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Yeah.
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Bin Laden died and someone's like, ah, I might be able to use this later.
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Freeze this asshole real quick.
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Right.
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This could be useful.
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What if he had, what if it was a weekend at Bernie's but in reverse wherein he was pretending
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to be, no, no, no.
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That's a weekend at Bernie's too.
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No, he was, he was pretending to be dead and had people act like he was dead, making him
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pretend to be alive while he was, eh, no, he was frozen.
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Yeah.
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The freezing is really a difficult thing to get around.
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The freezing is difficult to get around.
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Yeah.
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So he was frozen for like a decade then basically, right?
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How long can you freeze a person for?
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Ask Walt Disney.
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That's what I want to know.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, exactly.
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What kind of freezing are we doing?
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Do we have, are we talking full cryogenic freezing?
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I think this is just my assessment.
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Sure.
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If this is true.
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Oh, if, if.
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Big if.
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Big if.
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If you're keeping Bin Laden frozen for a decade.
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Sure.
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That's going to be, someone's going to talk.
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There's a number of people who are going to need to be involved in terms of maintaining
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the cryogenic pod or whatever the fuck.
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It would, it would be, there would be a number of people involved in this.
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Uh, I, I find it difficult to believe that there wouldn't be like some kind of talking,
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but then again, you talk, you get frozen.
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See, well now I get what you're saying there.
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Here's why, here's what I would, here's my way that this breaks down.
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Sure.
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This is the smart thing you do if you've got Osama Bin Laden frozen, keep them in a place,
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hide them forest for the trees kind of thing.
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You know, very small, very middle of nowhere.
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Hide them out.
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You know, who's looking for, yeah, who's looking for Osama Bin Laden.
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That house that he was in, it was probably a cryo facility.
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Might as well put it there.
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Right.
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Right.
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Problem is you got at least one person in there every now and again checking to see
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if the power's on.
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Sooner or later they are out on a date going a little bit hard.
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Probably the only interesting thing they've got is like, you want to see Osama?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then all of a sudden the whole-
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You want to see a frozen terrorist?
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Yeah.
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You want to see a frozen terrorist?
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And then the whole thing falls apart.
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Look, I just don't have any game.
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I can't impress ladies on dates.
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That's why conspiracies never work.
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Right.
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A lack of game.
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Someone's too thirsty and is bombing on a date and-
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You know, if we think too hard on it, that might come up more true than I want.
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So the topic of abortion comes up and this is just kind of incoherent.
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Yeah.
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Are you for abortion?
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I'm for it.
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I mean, there's so many unwanted children in the world.
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I know you were crying the other night about children and you were-
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What was that?
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Yeah, what was that by the way?
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But-
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What happened to those children?
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But seriously, Alex-
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What are we talking about?
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Who was crying for children?
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You.
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In 2011.
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What are you talking about?
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I heard a tape.
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We played a tape of you crying over some children.
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I don't know what the hell was going on.
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Well, I have actually actually cried for real sometimes, but listen, here's the issue.
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On the issue of gay marriage, it should be a state issue, as Ron Paul has said, and the
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state shouldn't even be involved, period.
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And on the issue of abortion, they carry out abortion for population reduction.
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And again, I'm going to say it, Margaret Sanger, you can pull up her writings, University Writing
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scans the letters in the National Archive, where she said, we're going to oppose as liberals,
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show that blacks trust us, we're going to hire black doctors and preachers to sell them
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on a welfare state to take over the black community and break up their families so we
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can abort them.
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And they abort fully 52% of blacks since Roe v. Wade in this country.
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So again, again, we're talking about blacks.
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So you're against abortion or you're for it?
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I'm stating, I'm asking people.
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Okay, I can hear the argument of, well, it's a woman's right or she got raped or whatever
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her first trimester.
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I'm saying there's too many people on the planet who are unwanted and unloved.
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I'm against abortion because those are humans and they're even aborting people, Howard,
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up to up to nine months, maybe nine years.
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I'm for nine years.
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I got so many unloved, unwanted children.
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And by the way, most people who are for, you know, the abolition of abortion, they don't
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give to charity and they don't sit there and take these children and not adopting these
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are not adopting these children.
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They just want more children.
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It's a nightmare.
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Let me ask you this, though.
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Let me ask you this.
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Because once the children get here, who's taking care of them?
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Sure.
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Patrick's last year called for killing kids up to age three.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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No, no, no, I'm not going to do it.
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We have people who do that.
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No, I'm for abortion.
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I'm not for three year olds being killed, I'm for abortion.
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So you see, there's an interesting way that Alex is trying to dodge the question of like
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his support of abortion or, you know, obviously opposition in this case.
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And Howard keeps interjecting things that kind of force him to say, I'm against it.
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Yeah.
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You know, he's, he's trying to obfuscate and dodge around and be like, I can see these
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arguments for blah, blah, blah.
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And because of the way that Howard interviews, it forces Alex to just directly say, I'm opposed
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to this.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there is, there is an element of anybody else saying and talking to Alex this way would
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have seen a blow up, would have seen a storm out, seen any number of reactions.
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But the only reason that Howard can get away with this is because Alex is a star fucker
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and Howard's a star.
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He's desperate for Howard to see him as cool.
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That's what it, yeah, exactly.
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You know, it is, it is, that's why he's fine talking about how like he was fucking as a
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kid and stuff because he knows that'll impress Howard.
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Howard's a really sexual dude.
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And so like him being like, I fucked hot 15 year olds when I was 12, like that's going
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to impress Howard.
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And so he's fine with that.
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All right.
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So here's the strategy for dealing with Alex and his ilk.
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All right.
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Shock jocks.
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We need to get famous people to bully him.
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Yeah.
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I'm, I mean, let's throw this out there.
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All right.
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It has to be the right kind of famous person.
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Chris Hemsworth.
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Yeah.
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It's not going to be a Chris Hemsworth.
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No.
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Who's it gotta be?
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Yeah, it is going to have to be somebody like Rogan.
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Yeah.
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Rogan's perfectly situated actually to be that.
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Is Clint Eastwood still alive?
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He's frozen.
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I have no idea.
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I bet he could bully Alex.
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This could be a Mandela effect.
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He might've died 10 years ago or he's still alive.
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No idea.
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These are very possible things.
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He might've won an Oscar last year.
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I have no idea.
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Also very possible.
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So Alex, there's a couple things like he just seems refusing to answer.
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One was that acid thing.
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Another question that comes up in a clip that I didn't include was whether or not he's had
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sex with a black woman before.
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Sure.
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Seems to not want to answer that question.
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That's such a very strange question to not want to answer.
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I mean, it's a weird question to ask and it's a strange question to not want to answer.
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It's not a weird question to ask in Howard's show.
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No, in Howard's world.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Totally.
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It's very well within the topics of conversation that come up on this shock jock.
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Yeah.
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Shit.
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So whatever the case is, whatever's behind that, he also doesn't want to really talk
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about aliens.
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Sure.
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We have this guy Riley on it.
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You know, he believes in aliens.
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Do you believe in aliens?
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Do you believe that there is life on other planets?
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Howard, I need a raise.
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I can't hear his voice.
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Can you hear a clip of him?
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I could actually imitate him.
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Can I hear one?
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Look at him.
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Look at him.
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Wait a second.
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Alex.
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It's all too easy.
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Do you believe in aliens?
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Do you believe alien life forms were here?
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When I left you, I was with the learner.
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Now I am the master.
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All right.
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Take a beer.
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Hey, was your father a dentist?
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Alex, he is.
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Is he proud of what you're doing, or does he think you're nuts?
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My father, who's been well read and in history, he said, yeah, you're right about a lot of
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this, but our government's not that bad, and it's going to be okay, and things will work
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out.
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And that was him 17 years ago, and now he's like, oh my God, it's all real.
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It's horrible.
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It's really got him free.
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He's less trusting now.
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But Alex, are you really getting anything done?
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I just want to, listen, it doesn't mean I have all the answers.
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I just want to get people thinking.
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Yeah, man, I'm just a conversation starter.
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So that doesn't sound anything like his dad based on his other tellings of the story of
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his dad.
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The smartest boy in Texas, running away from the out of control evil government, then gets
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to around, I don't know, mid 30s, and he's like, eh, they're fine.
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Everything's pretty great.
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You know what?
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I have a lot of faith.
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I have this.
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Our government is going to be pretty good.
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And then he gets radicalized by his crazy son.
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Mid 60s, everybody's going to die.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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I don't believe any of this.
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Nope.
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But you see, there's such an interesting dynamic that's going on in that clip.
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And that is that Howard's asking this question that Alex doesn't want to answer.
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And so Alex starts deflecting with doing these voices, doing Darth Vader, James Earl Jones
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shit.
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And then Howard recognizes that and asks him an incredibly confrontational question, which
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is, is your dad proud of you?
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That is such an interesting roller coaster of how this interview is playing out.
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I get the sense that Howard is probably not super thrilled with the way that Alex is deflecting
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from the question and he's trying to jostle him back into the interview from the weird
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voices and shit.
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Sure, sure.
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He's trying to take away that performance element that Alex is doing in order to take
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over the interview.
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Right, right, right.
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Power struggle shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I kind of got more the vibe from Alex that he just really wanted to do something good.
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You know, he wanted to show off his little...
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He's got a good voice.
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There might be some voice bookers who are listening.
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For all the deflecting that he was doing in the earlier questions.
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And I do think that he was deflecting to do this.
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In this case, I truly believe that the inspiration for it is, God, I want to show off my James
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Earl Jones voice.
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And I'll tell you why I believe that.
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I know that feeling, man.
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I know that feeling.
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I think it can be both.
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That's what I'm saying.
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It is deflecting.
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But the heart of it is, I want somebody to tell me I'm a good boy.
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It's deflecting, but it's also, this is an opportunity.
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So Alex's dad, he characterized him in that last clip a little bit weirdly.
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In ways that I don't think match up with other stories that he's told of his dad.
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Totally.
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And so this also does not match with the characterization that we know of Alex's dad's role in his career.
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Yeah.
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I was working my way through school and college.
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Wasn't getting a lot of help from my parents just so I wanted to work on my own.
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You thought as a dentist that he didn't help you out for college?
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He helped me out a little bit, but not much.
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What is up with that?
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That's awfully cruel.
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Listen, I went into sales right away out of high school.
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See, I mean, I was making good grades in college, but I was successful because I was a college
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college student.
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But the old man could have helped you.
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You know, he's got a, he's got a pretty.
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And he was only going to community college.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's not that expensive.
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I mean.
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My dad did buy me a green Mustang on graduation.
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He did.
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All of them.
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Well, that's more important.
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Well, that's something.
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And he also bought an ad on your radio show that was what got you a radio show.
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Yep.
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It's dental practice, bought an advertising time to justify you having a show.
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Like this is ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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I was all made mad.
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My dad didn't do shit.
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Every time I have heard a self-made man's story, every single one of them, but that's
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because they're kind of born.
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The self-made man's story is born because of its non-existence, you know, like the fact
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that you have to justify living in a place where you're so much more successful than
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other people.
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You can't just be like, well, this is the vagaries of life.
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You have to be like, I've earned this behavior.
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Otherwise I have to accept that I'm not really, there's no difference between me and everybody
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else.
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And this is all random, you know?
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Sure.
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So it's better to have the bootstrap story than be like, everything is chaos.
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Nothing matters.
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Everybody's going to go insane every moment now, you know?
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I'd like to see you and Howard discuss that.
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I think I just, I find it fascinating the way that everything is so different with his
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family now.
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Yeah.
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Or in just different environments.
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Like on his show, he would talk about how like his family is in all of these high level
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intelligence shit and they told him that the globalists are the bad news, man.
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They're bad news.
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My uncle was involved in Iran Contra and like, where's all this stuff in this interview?
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Furthermore, isn't that a sort of, isn't that a sort of help from your family, you know,
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getting so much of this information solely through, well, yeah, obviously, obviously.
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In universe it's a huge help.
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In universe is a good way of putting it.
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Yeah.
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So throughout this interview, I don't, I think Howard's been humoring Alex quite a bit, but
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I really get the sense that he's just, just thinks that this is entertainment.
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One concern I have is when people just stir and stir and stir controversy, it really doesn't
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do anything.
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And if you really are serious about this stuff, you have to do something about it.
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He's doing a radio show.
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He's got to keep going.
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So you believe he's just entertaining.
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I believe Alex believes what he believes in, but I think he also has the pressure of being
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an entertainer.
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And he has to keep coming up with, that's not my point.
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If it's true what he's saying, he's entertaining.
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How would anyone know?
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It's true.
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He claims, he claims that he's researching, you know what, whatever I, Alex, let's take
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a couple of phone calls.
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I loved that to his face.
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Yeah.
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To his face is great.
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He claims he's researching, whatever.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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I like a lot.
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I like that opportunity.
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And they're referring to him as he and talking about him while he's there.
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Oh, I know, to his face while he's there.
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I think he's an entertainer and he just has to come up with stuff to be in there.
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He's got the, hey, Robin, aside, while that person's there, and this is the fucking radio.
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Yeah.
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I think he's a showman just trying to fuck with people.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's better than saying he's a fat lying piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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And at this point too, there was not nearly the awareness of the damages and the danger
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that someone like Alex poses.
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So there is a freedom that Howard feels and being able to just engage into this is like,
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ah, he's a fucking, he's a joke weirdo saying all this nonsense on the radio for entertainment
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and I'm amused by it.
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I enjoy watching him dance for me.
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Yeah, that is pretty much it.
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I don't think there's any way that Howard Stern is going to be taken in by Alex Jones.
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I think his instincts are a little sharper than that.
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I don't think you get to where Howard is the way you do without being able to read through
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some bullshit.
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Oh my God.
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Tell me all about this Dr. Steve Perchetta character.
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Yeah.
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He claims he's researching him.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Whatever.
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Fuck off.
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And I think that part of that is the show biz instincts that Howard has that it's like
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you can tell that Alex is putting on a show.
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He's seen enough of Alex's clips and things to have an awareness of like they were talking
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about it earlier.
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Like him crying.
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And so like he's seen these things and he knows like, all right, this guy, this guy's
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putting on an act.
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Howard's somebody who's negotiated some of his own contracts.
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He's seeing through bullshit.
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And part of the bullshit that he's seeing through is that Alex has done all this research.
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Yeah, totally.
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Yeah.
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And I find that interesting.
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So they play that clip of Alex crying, of course, to see what his thoughts are about
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it.
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All right, here it is.
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This is you crying, Alex.
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Here you go.
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And then last night, God just showed me so much and I couldn't even talk.
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And I do not even feel worthy to be here bringing you this information.
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And it just absolutely brought me to a place I've never been to, you know, where God just
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really says, you want to see the evil?
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Here it is.
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Feel it.
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To feel what the children are feeling, God almighty.
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Alex, performance or real crime?
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No, totally real.
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Totally real.
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I have, listen, listen.
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You know that Fleetwood Mac song?
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Yes.
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Yeah, here comes the crystal of visions.
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I made my visions to myself.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I mean, Howard, you ever had a vision?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I have visions all the time.
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It involved a threesome.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute.
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You have visions all the time?
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What is your vision, Alex?
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What's the last one you got?
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What is your vision, Alex, what's the last one you had?
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Well, I mean, no, what is a vision?
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No, just incredible.
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Don't say that.
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A hundred times a hundred where you have amazing understanding, but also things open up and
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it's called discernment.
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And then you, when you can actually study history and evil and also look into the spirit
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of evil and then look into what the spirit of evil is doing, that is a vision and an
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understanding of the globalist and the snuffiness.
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That happened to be on ayahuasca.
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That's right.
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That happened to Robin.
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I don't need to take ayahuasca to go to that place, but go ahead.
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I got to tell you, Alex, I've learned a lot this morning.
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I do have to wrap things up because, you know, we do take breaks, but I got to tell you.
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Do you go to one of those big mega churches?
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No, no, I don't go to church.
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You don't?
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Establishment BS.
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Establishment BS?
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I go to a white identity preacher Tex Mars's place and hang out with him while he talks
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about how evil the Jews are and how minorities are ruining America.
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That's my religion.
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Yeah.
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Fuck it, asshole.
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Yeah.
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What was it?
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Wherever two or more of you gather in my name to shit all over non-white people, so I am
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there.
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I'll see you there, Tex.
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Yeah.
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So I feel no better in terms of my awareness of what his visions are from that.
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It seemed like just a bunch of words being rattled off.
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Comedically.
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I appreciate a good, while the crying is still going on in the background, I like a good
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totally real, immediately followed by, that was the fakest possible crying sound.
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Totally real.
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The whole thing.
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Totally real.
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Immediately after totally real.
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Totally real.
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At that point, you're like, maybe he's building up to something.
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And then the first sob goes, yep.
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I pray that I never find myself in a situation where someone plays a video of me crying and
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has to ask, real or fake?
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Is this an act or is this real?
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Because I think I would have made a couple of mistakes along the way to get to that point.
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I mean, you know, like, I guess if I was acting, and they were like, oh, is that fake?
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Oh, like in a scene?
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Yeah, that's about as close as it gets.
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Sure.
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But even then, so is Alex, which is the problem.
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Totally different conversation.
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If you are in the Avengers Endgame or something, and you have a crying scene, which I assume
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they did.
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Because a lot of people died, right?
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Half the world?
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Do they cry in the Avengers?
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I feel like somebody must have.
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Eh, probably.
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So you ask the actor, real tears or fake?
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Right.
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Did you get eye drops?
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Right.
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Fine conversation.
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Yeah.
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Alex, you're crying about the children on air.
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Where on the level of fake tear are we?
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Are we at like Saline solution fake tears?
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Or are we at Alex Jones complaining about what happens to children fake tears?
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Based on what he described his visions as, it seems like that could just be like you
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read something in a book, and then you had a thought about it.
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Yeah.
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That's not a vision.
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I mean, is it possible?
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Is it possible that Alex Jones only infrequently experiences the idea of images within your
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mind in response to a stimulus?
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You know, like when he reads, he doesn't imagine what is going on in the book.
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He's just reading.
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I find that difficult because he imagines so much else.
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He imagines detectives trying to murder him when he goes to New York.
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That is a good point.
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Hmm.
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Anyway, we have one last clip and Alex talks about his anti-vex conspiracy and boy, it's
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different in 2013.
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Oh God.
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Let me just take one chilling point as we leave here.
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In literally hundreds of white papers by MIT and others, and you want this, I'll send it
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to you.
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I'm not kidding.
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What they say they're going to do is they're going to in vaccines inject us with what they
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call an anti-stress or anti-drug use vaccine, but I'm going to tell you, and if you look
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this up, they go, a new vaccine, this is three years ago, is going to cure, and this is where
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it's all going, is going to cure stress, but they're not really vaccines.
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They're genetically engineered nanotech viruses that go in and eat selective ganglia and neuron
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clusters in the cerebral cortex and other areas, which are a selective lobotomy where
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you will be a biological Android and we have evidence that are already testing this on
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the military and others.
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So soon, if we don't turn this around, the plan, you're hearing the ultimate secret here
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is to add to flu vaccines and other things.
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Did you take the flu vaccine?
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Absolutely not.
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You would never take it?
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No.
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Do you get your kids vaccinated?
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No.
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Never had any.
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No vaccines whatsoever.
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And after spreading the flu, it actually doubles your chances of getting the flu to get the
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flu vaccine.
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Did you give your kids the polio vaccine?
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None of it.
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None.
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None.
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So why wouldn't they just put that in the COVID vaccine?
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Right?
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I mean, he said they're going to add it to the flu vaccine.
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So why did he just drop this entire thread?
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This is supposed to be the big plan.
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This is what the globalists are up to a decade ago.
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Did they just drop this?
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Yeah.
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I guess they did.
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I guess Alex just lost his interest in this conspiracy, or maybe it was more profitable
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to go other directions.
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Hashtag Alex Jones was forgot.
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Yeah.
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Alex Jones lost the thread.
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Yeah.
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I find that to be just annoying.
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It is.
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It is.
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There's no reason.
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There's no reason to...
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And it's so weird to listen to it through Howard Stern and his reactions to it as well,
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is because it does make sense where we are with all that we've done in the past six years.
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It does make sense to go back, listen to this and go, oh, all you do need to do is go look
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at this asshole and then walk away.
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He's a crazy...
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Listen to this shit.
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Listen to this shit.
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Yeah.
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Robin's listening to this shit.
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She's like, fuck this shit.
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But he's so much worse.
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How is it possible that that is...
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So fucking weird.
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It's like a little lantern fish with the little thing that sticks up and that's what the rest
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of us see.
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I think that if Alex had gone on Stern more regularly and been exposed more to Stern's
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variety of questioning, I think it would have penetrated some holes in his presentation.
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More than Here's Morgan or The View or anything along those lines.
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Yeah.
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Questions like these tears, this reel or performance.
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Questions like, yeah, whatever, to the idea of him researching.
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I think that Stern would be able to puncture some of Alex's illusion and instead he went
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on places regularly like Coast to Coast AM where his bullshit was amplified and people
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like George Norrie just like, it's all legs.
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That kind of level of interviewing and I think that that did a disservice and really...
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I don't know.
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You could have stigmatized Alex a little more if he was on Stern more.
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Sure.
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I think.
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Totally.
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Well, that's kind of part of why I mean that little lantern fish idea is all that popped
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up into the consciousness was that tiny little, oh look, it's a cute little, that's fun.
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And it would have been so easy for just by accident too much to appear and then everybody
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goes, ah, and that's the end for him and it just didn't happen.
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It's a complicated thing too because I think that you do have an element of humanizing
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Alex and softening his image by way of an interview like this.
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Stern is being like, he's fun, he's interesting.
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But I think that when it's in an environment like Rogan, he is inept at pushing back on
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the things that Alex says, whereas Stern is more willing to push back.
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You even hear it in that last clip.
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He's pushing back about the vaccines.
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He won't even get your kids vaccinated for polio.
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Isn't that ridiculous?
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Isn't that an inappropriate thing to do?
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And Stern is willing to stand by his positions that are different than Alex, that abortion
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is right.
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People should have access to abortion.
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He believes in gay marriage.
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These are things that Alex wouldn't be able to walk over him on.
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Whereas with Rogan, he has no spine.
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Man, that is so weird.
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It is real weird to stop and think about all the people that have come close to Alex and
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then be like, you know, not many had spines.
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Howard Stern won.
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Everybody you would expect, zero, unfortunately.
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I think Stern sucks in a lot of other ways.
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I think his show is often very difficult to listen to for the constant talk over each
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other.
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I find it boring.
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But yeah, in terms of an interview style that counters Alex pretty decently, I think this
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is one of them.
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Like we've already mentioned, I think part of it also relies heavily on the ideal hero
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worshipping of Stern that Alex clearly has done as a younger man.
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So I don't know.
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I don't know if this is helpful at all, but I thought it was interesting, the glimpse
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of this.
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I particularly think the way that Alex is characterizing his dad being so completely
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off the mark from other places where he talks about him.
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That's fun.
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The fantasies of Mike Bloomberg trying to kill him and then him being like, I over blew
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that.
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It didn't happen.
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I made that up in my head.
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I had a flu.
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Oh, by the way, won't get vaccinated.
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Right.
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Well, because he makes you more likely to get it.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, because I had the flu.
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Right.
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What?
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Imagine I would have had double flu.
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Then I would have seen so many of Bloomberg's agents.
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Too many.
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Too many.
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So we'll be back.
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Maybe Alex will be back in studio.
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Who knows?
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Maybe I'll find something in 2004 worth discussing.
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Could be.
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Who knows?
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But for now, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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And alexjonesisanidiot.com.
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And alexjonesisanidiot.com.
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And we're also on Twitter.
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And we are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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And we've got a sub stack.
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There's a link on alexjonesisanidiot.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know.
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I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm D.C.
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Clark.
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Eventually, one day, your grandchildren will look upon this spot.
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And there might be a bit here.
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But for now, your progeny will have to tell you through ethereal connections that we have
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with our ancestors.
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Once you are long dead and gone, whether or not a bit will fill this space, for now, there
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is nothing.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now, here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
