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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.
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Knowledgefight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying,
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we are the bad guys, Knowledgefight.
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Dan and Jordan, Knowledgefight.
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Willer, Willer, Willer, I need, I need money.
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Willer, Willer, Willer, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us.
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Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledgefight.
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N-N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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Breakable dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of
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Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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Why don't you go first?
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My bright spot, Dan, is so through a combination of
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promotions and airline miles from our trip, all right, I was
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able to essentially procure a VR headset for free.
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Whoa, a VR headset for your PlayStation?
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Yeah, no, no, no, just one of the ones that you can have
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like connected to your phone and your PC and stuff.
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Don't ask me.
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What is it?
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What does it do?
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We went to the VR bar.
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Yeah.
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It's one of those.
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OK, but what do you play with it?
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Tennis.
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OK.
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And the tennis simulator is fucking amazing.
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Is it tennis on your computer?
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No.
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Is it a computer game on your?
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It's on the headset itself.
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OK.
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The headset, like the PlayStation.
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But it connects to your computer.
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I mean, it can connect to your computer, yeah.
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What?
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Yeah.
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I don't understand.
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Don't worry about it.
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OK.
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But here's what's important.
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I think of it as an accessory, you know, like the light gun
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from Duck Hunt.
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Right, right, right, I get what you're saying.
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So I don't understand it not being paired with something
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that is actually playing the game.
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No, no, no.
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It's all inside the game.
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Damn.
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They've made computer chips pretty small these days.
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Son of a bitch.
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But yeah, so yeah, the tennis thing, like I was practicing.
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I'm legitimately sore and tired from how realistic and fucking
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crazy.
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So this is a nice way that they could have actually
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made Wii Fit and Wii Sports worked a little bit better.
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If it had worked 10 years ago, it would have worked.
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Wow.
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This is nuts.
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So yeah, so it was like, oh, we can exercise during the winter.
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When it's raining out.
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And the next thing that happened,
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it was 80 degrees the next day.
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Yeah, man.
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Talk about like some nonsense weather here in Chicago.
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We had all this, like it's been gloomy as hell.
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45 degrees, and then all of a sudden.
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And now it's back to 60s and raining.
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And oh, god, just get it together, Chicago.
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That day that we went from 45 to 80,
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we both woke up, and it was like,
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our sinuses had gone from your head to your feet.
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It was like, blah.
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I have like a little update thing,
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weather thing on my laptop.
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And I don't know exactly what it said,
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but I think it said something like, look out.
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High temperatures.
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We're going to be seeing that weather alert quite a bit
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now in the future.
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Yeah.
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It was jarring.
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So what's your bright spot?
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I'm having a difficult time coming up with a bright spot.
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So I'm going to say.
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I'll tell you what.
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What's that?
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You just received some freeze-dried Skittles.
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Are you trying to force me into a bright spot?
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See it?
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We got something in the mail bag.
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Very nice gift of candies, freeze-dried stuff.
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Oh, yeah.
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This was sent to us from the Stones.
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I'm assuming a family name.
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It's interesting.
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It's a Skittle, but it's been exploded in a freeze dryer,
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so it's not chewy or anything.
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It's like if popcorn had an orange flavor to it.
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Well, the orange ones, anyway.
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Well, yeah.
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This is not my bright spot, but thank you very much.
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I was just trying to help you out.
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No, I appreciate that.
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But hey, man, chill out.
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I was killing time, basically.
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I'm giving you more time to think about.
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I mentioned that I watched some big bright spots.
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Because I wanted to see what happens on that show,
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and I don't know what happens on that show.
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And now I do know what happens on that show.
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And I complained about it, and I said it's a bad show.
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And I stand by that.
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But a listener emailed or sent a message that was like,
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you've got to keep giving it a shot.
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It's so good.
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And so I did watch some more.
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And my opinion has not changed.
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I think it's a terrible show.
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I think that they use way too many goofy sound effects,
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like it's fucking, like, it's fucking weird.
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Like it's fucking America's Funniest Home Videos or something.
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Oh, boy.
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It's worse than that.
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Oh, no.
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They're obsessed with slime in a way that is
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reminiscent of 90s Nickelodeon.
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Really?
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Yes.
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There's slime all over the fucking place.
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I mean, that's kind of a selling point.
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But now that I think about it, maybe I'm too old for that.
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They seem to think that there's some kind of charm
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in getting people dirty.
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Do they, have they used that kind of like Flintstones,
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ba-daba-da-baba-da-baba-da-baba, you know,
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where they jump into the air and they're trying to,
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that side effect?
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Have anyone jumped in the air and did that?
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I mean, that show.
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They've used that sound effect, the da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
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And you know what else they use all the time?
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The sound of a bowling pin getting knocked over.
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Oh, kaboom.
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Yeah, that one.
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Yeah, whenever something gets knocked over.
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It's very, very bad.
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It's as bad in terms of editing as, like, the challenge is good.
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Yeah.
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That's how I would describe it.
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Shockingly good editing on the challenge.
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And I, I, I, I, it sucks.
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It is a bad show.
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But I watched, I've watched parts
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of two seasons at this point.
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And the second season that I had watched is so much better.
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And the reason is casting.
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Like, it is, it is a show that lives and dies
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by how they cast the show.
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Yeah.
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Like, if you do not have interesting,
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dynamic people in there, it is so glaring,
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all the fart noises and goofy banana peel ass shit.
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Yeah.
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But if you have people that are interesting,
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it's like, nah, you can put up with this a little bit.
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Sure.
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But I mean, if you were making fucking Breaking Bad
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and you had terrible characters, you know,
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you've got the plot to rely on.
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You know, if you're making a reality show,
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you got nothing.
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You got, what are you, like, oh, we got a,
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we got a barrel roll to this next, everybody jumps
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on one foot for an hour.
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They love a barrel roll.
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They do love a barrel roll.
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Buy and sell the show on a barrel roll.
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That'll be worth it.
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The problem that I have is when there aren't dynamic,
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interesting people to be like, oh, this person's interesting,
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then what you have is a show that's edited poorly.
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And the sense of humor of it is that they have a sense
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of humor.
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You know what I mean?
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Yes.
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Like, and that is not funny.
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The show thinks it's fucking funny, and it's not.
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That's the worst.
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Yeah.
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It's the worst.
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It's painful to watch.
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And yet, I'm probably going to watch a little bit more of it.
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I mean, I know, obviously.
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It's there.
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It is, like JFK said, it's there.
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It's there.
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It's why it's there.
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Yep.
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Anyway, not totally a bright spot, more of a jeers.
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That's a little bit of a jeers.
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I guess the bright spot is there are
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a couple of interesting characters
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on the second group of people that I've
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watched on this show.
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Oh, yeah, that's a bright spot.
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There's one guy who appears to be a mobster,
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and I think that's fun.
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On season 19, this guy seems like he
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is definitely mobbed up.
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I truly believe that in order to earn the name Big Brother,
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at least one character per season
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has to just be disappeared, and no one can talk about it.
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Or one person has to secretly be in the CIA.
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Yes, totally.
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Absolutely.
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Like, there has to be a plant.
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There has to be something.
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But now it's the mole.
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Now we're just playing the mole.
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No, no, no, but it has to be real.
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Once again, someone has to be facing serious Big Brother
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style consequences here.
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Unbelievably.
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Like, they're framed for mercy.
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Somebody needs to be framed for murder by the CIA guy.
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OK.
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All right?
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You see what I'm saying?
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Sure.
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Now we get a.
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Unbelievably bad show.
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Yeah.
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So bad.
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Yeah.
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I resent whoever told me to watch more.
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I didn't.
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Actually, I probably would have anyway.
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Yeah, it's true.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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I mentioned on our last episode that we
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were going to get into Nick Fuentes being on Info Wars
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to have a little debate with Alex.
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And that actually, we're recording this on Thursday.
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That was on Wednesday.
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And I'm not able to, I wasn't able to get this all sort
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of balanced out and ready to go.
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So we'll talk about that on Monday.
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Yeah.
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So for today, we have something else that
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happened in Info Wars world.
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And it's not Owen Troyer going to prison.
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I was totally expecting it to be Owen Troyer going to prison.
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No.
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And it's not Jack Pessobic pretending
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that Owen got sent to solitary confinement
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immediately after being sent to prison.
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I'm sorry, what?
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Yeah, he tweeted about that.
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Oh my god.
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No, it's none of these things.
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Is something else all together?
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What's up?
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Oh my god, we've got Owen Troyer in here.
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He can't be allowed in gen pop.
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Get him isolated.
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Send him to the hole.
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I was texting with Amanda Moore.
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And I was telling her that I want
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Owen to come out of prison with a teardrop tattoo so bad.
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Something that is permanent, that is like, yes,
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you were to, yeah, like a scar, a tattoo, something.
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A teardrop tattoo is the best, because that implies
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that he killed someone.
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Yeah, but you'd know he didn't.
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Of course not, but it'd be funny.
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You'd know he didn't.
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It would be funny.
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The other thing that I want, I'm fantasizing about,
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is he comes out of prison and he enters the Info Wars studios
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like the guys in that Scared Straight show.
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Sure, sure, absolutely.
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He walks in and he's like, Alex, hold on to my shirt.
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Hold on to my shirt, Alex.
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Give me your shoes.
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Like in home movies?
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Have you seen those?
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Is this what you want to be?
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Have you seen those old Scared Straight?
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I was not happy.
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Those are awesome.
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They are awesome.
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They are terrible.
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They're just terrorizing these children.
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It's wild.
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The ones, I remember distinctly at least one or two
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where the kids refused to be terrorized,
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and everybody's world came crashing down.
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The people Scared Straight-ing were like,
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I don't know if this does mean anything, man.
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I don't know if I've seen that one,
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but I know I've seen ones where they were like resistant,
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and then the prisoners or ex-prisoners would escalate.
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And then those kids who were resistant would end up crying.
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And it's horrifying.
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There were a couple where you're like,
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there is no way they approved this.
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This is about as close to crunching.
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The original one is from the 70s.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And that would never fly nowadays.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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If I recall correctly too, it's been a long time
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since I've seen the original one,
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but it's my memory that it didn't really work.
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None of them work.
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The epilogue is like the kids went back to prison
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or they got in trouble.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Anyway, I want Owen Schroyer to do that
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in the In Forest Studios after he comes out.
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Although, there is a little bit of drama
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about how In Forest isn't paying him while he's in prison,
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and this might cause some trouble.
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God, if he comes out, walks down the steps,
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you know what I'm saying, and is like,
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I don't know how it happened, but while I was in prison,
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I'm gonna be doing sports for KSR19
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in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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That would be the smartest possible thing he could do.
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Absolutely.
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And it would be great if he just turned on Alex
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and was like, here comes some dirty laundry.
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Here comes it, yeah.
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Alex, you should have paid me while I was in prison.
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I mean, you should have paid him.
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Why don't you pay?
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You pay the people who know where the bodies are laid.
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I mean, that's simple.
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Or you bury their body.
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There's two ways to go.
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Yeah.
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So we'll get down to business on whatever this is,
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but before we do, let's take a little moment
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to say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, I just listened to 800-something episodes
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about Alex Jones, and now my brains
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are leaking out of my ears.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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That's how they used to involve people in Egypt.
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They would listen to our show.
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Interesting.
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Next, Sabrina, who often has dreams,
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she's chastising Alex Jones.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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All right, two examples of people
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who are listening to our show too much.
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So next, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop,
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and I donated it to the Yale Skull and Bones Poop Vat.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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It's important to keep that thing full.
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Next, I had a god-awful day, but my bright spot
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is the back catalogs of a couple sweet boys
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talking about some less sweet stuff.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Very nice.
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Better bright spot than big brother.
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Yeah.
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Next, Paul, stop calling our cat a libertarian.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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More petty, more notes, more shoutouts
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that could be sticky notes on the, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Thank you very much.
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I dig it.
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Anyway, we got a technocrat in the mix.
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And I'm sorry, Jordan, I accidentally scrolled ahead.
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So the pronunciation trap isn't going to work in this one.
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Oh, you son of a bitch.
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I didn't mean to.
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Well done.
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But I accidentally did.
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So thank you so much, RIP Ailey, slain by demon globalists.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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And just for fun, here's how I would have pronounced it
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if I hadn't accidentally read ahead.
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Ilda.
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Yep.
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Ilda.
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That's not bad.
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That's not bad compared to what I was thinking it was.
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Ilda.
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The DH is confusing.
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If I had guessed Ailey out of that,
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you would have given me a million dollars.
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Yeah, no chance.
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So many fun, weird names I'm learning
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how to pronounce that don't look anything
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like the letters that are there.
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You know, names are just sounds that we make from our mouths.
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It's true.
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There's no spelling.
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You can spell phonemes, just phonetic spellings.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode.
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And what we're going to be talking about
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is that Alex did a little bit of an interview
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with presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy.
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What?
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Yeah, so Vivek was in town in Austin,
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I guess, part of his pretend campaign for president.
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Right, right, right.
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And so he sat down with Alex, and they
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recorded a little interview.
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OK, so the guy who was on the debate stage
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is interviewing Alex, not the other way around.
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Episode six of Vivek's Twitter show.
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Well, I think.
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I just saw a real disappointment show up on your face.
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I think he's got a chance to become president.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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He's got the goods.
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If anyone with a Twitter show becomes president, I'm out.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I will say that I thought that I didn't realize
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that this took place in Austin.
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Sure.
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Because I don't know where Vivek is at any point in time.
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I don't know what he's doing.
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No one does.
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That's one of his powers.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Mysterious.
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So I thought, like, Alex took that vacation.
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Oh, it must have been to go wherever Vivek is
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to go do this interview.
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Not the case.
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This happened in Austin.
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However, during the interview, we
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learned where his last vacation was.
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He went to Maine to go visit Tucker.
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Apparently, if you believe Alex, he
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went to Maine to go hang out in a cabin with Tucker
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or something.
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That's so strange.
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That's just so strange.
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I don't know.
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I mean, there's a part of me that says, it makes sense.
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There's really, who can understand you?
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Well.
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Who can you have a conversation with about your work life?
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Well, and if you want to get a vacation buddy,
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the best way to do it is to declare them
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the most important human being on Earth.
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Oops.
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Hey, do you want to go to this destination wedding, the most
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important person on Earth?
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Can you imagine how great Alex would
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make you feel about yourself if you were like,
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he thinks you're the most important person in the world?
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That's got to be an ego boost.
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Yeah, the love bomb is how they do it.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Alex is getting interviewed by the vague.
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And here is a little out of context drop from today's show.
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OK.
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I'm a populace.
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I mean, just take, I hate labels.
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They're not useful.
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I agree.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I mean, that's just a sound.
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That's just a sound.
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He's not responding to the meaning of the words.
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That just, that might as well just, rar, rar.
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I'm a populace.
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I hate labels.
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Me too.
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Me too, man.
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Suck.
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I hate.
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Oh, god.
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Yeah, so here we go.
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We're going to jump in.
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And here is Vivek setting up the idea of this interview
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and how everyone told him not to do it.
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Right.
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I'm talking today to somebody who
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I'm meeting for the first time.
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I met him a few minutes ago for the first time.
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I actually don't know a lot about him.
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The number one thing I know about him
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is that everybody has told me not to talk to him,
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which is what made me want to actually sit down and talk
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to him.
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The United States of America were founded on free speech
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and open debate.
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It's in the First Amendment for a reason.
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The First Amendment doesn't really
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involve people not having the right
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to give you good advice about who to steer clear of.
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It's not a violation of your rights
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if people say that you're bad news and too messy
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to deal with.
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Vivek should have listened to the people around him,
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except I don't think that there actually
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are people around him telling him
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that he shouldn't talk to Alex.
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Let me explain what I mean.
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Vivek's presidential campaign is completely dead in the water.
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He has no shot at the GOP primary.
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Trump is a lock for that, and even
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if by some bizarre miracle Trump isn't able to run,
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Vivek isn't even positioned in a way
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that he can capitalize on the outrage that could cause.
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If anything, that will likely drive most people
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to RFK Jr.'s third party run, because the next most
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popular viable GOP candidate is Ron DeSantis, who
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I'm told is lacking in Riz.
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Even as down in the dumps as DeSantis is,
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he's still polling about three times higher than Vivek.
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Vivek knows all of this, and I would
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be surprised if he's even serious about the campaign
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at all at this point.
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He's part of a long tradition of GOP primary candidates
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that use the pulpit to launch their own personal brand.
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It's impossible to count the number of candidates who
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have just used running for president as a way
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to sell books, and I believe that Vivek
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is doing the same thing, except he wants
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to be a talk show or radio host.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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He wants to be another Tucker, and it's very clear
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based on this whole Twitter show that he's doing.
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He's essentially doing a Tucker impression.
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The videos are posted in an identical format
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as Tucker's, and he's trying to pull controversial guests in
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to mirror Tucker's whole shtick.
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Right.
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So Vivek's guest list so far is a clear indication
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that he's trying to court a particular type of audience,
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specifically the more fringe elements of the right wing, who
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are still close enough to acceptability to not
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get him put into any particular box that he can't get out of.
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For instance, he's not going to have David Duke, Richard
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Spencer, or Nick Fuentes in, but he's
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going to have people who might associate with them on as
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guests.
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Don't quote me on that.
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Actually, I could see him booking Fuentes in the future.
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And now we're going to play a game.
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I'm going to give you clues, and you can see if you can.
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Actually, I'm going to go ahead, and you're not
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going to be able to guess a couple of these.
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OK, well, I mean, I would be surprised
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if I could guess any of them.
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So guest number five, episode number five,
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was Royce White, who's the former NBA
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player who does The Fourth Hour on Alex's show.
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So he's an Info Wars personality.
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Four is Zuby, who's a musician and anti-LGBTQ kind of guy.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Zuby.
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Zuby.
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The kids he stands.
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He's popular in a certain section
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of the internet and culture, and that's not necessarily.
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Right, right, right.
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I don't know all that much about him, but I've seen the name.
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Some things are just not for me.
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Number three.
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All right.
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Number three.
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Guest number three, Fallon.
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Fallon?
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No, Fallon.
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Kicked out of his own org.
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He kept breaking character during that.
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Kicked out of his own organization.
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Uh-huh.
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Oh, that's got to be either, oh my god,
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it's got to be either the Charlie Kirk guy or, wait,
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no, no, no, not him.
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Or it's the guy who's like the human trafficker.
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I mean, the Sound of Freedom guy.
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No, it's not that guy.
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Although that does fit.
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I don't know, but is he a Fallon?
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I mean, he's committed felonies.
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But he has not been.
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And broken international law in multiple locations.
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Now I'm starting to question whether or not
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the person I'm talking about was actually
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convicted of the felony.
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I think he was.
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All right.
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You know, the Proud Boys guy.
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Ooh, no.
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No.
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More of the media figure.
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More of a, oh, fuck.
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Investigative journalist.
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It's not Greenwald.
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No.
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No, it's the Vice guy.
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No.
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No.
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God dammit, they've all been fucking fired or,
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because they've all committed crimes.
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It's Project Veritas's, formerly
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Project Veritas's, James O'Keefe.
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A lot of people have founded organizations,
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been convicted of crimes, and then
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been getting kicked out of those organizations.
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Guess number two.
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Episode number two that he did.
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Now the Sound of Freedom guy.
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Formerly anonymous.
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Person who loves to drive bomb threats to children's
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hospitals and schools.
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I'm sorry, what?
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They drive bomb threats?
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Inspire them.
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Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Is that JFK Jr.?
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No.
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Let's see.
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Deeply, deeply anti-LGBTQ in her focus.
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The ghost of Phyllis Schlafly.
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No.
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OK.
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Although, might be some similarities.
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Could there be that?
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The Libs of TikTok person.
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Kaya Rychik.
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I've never, I didn't know that that was a human person.
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I thought that was like a,
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Oh, you thought it was like an amalgamation of folks?
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I thought it was like the Libs of TikTok kind of thing.
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She probably has a team, I would assume, at this point.
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But yeah, she was the second guest that Vivek had on.
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First guest.
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Wild.
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First guest.
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Number one guest.
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Alex Jones.
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No, he's number six.
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No, no, no, that's the one that we're doing now.
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Right.
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First guest.
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When you're coming out the box, you
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want to be hot and fresh and ready.
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Oh, boy.
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Racist pizza maker.
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What?
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That's all the clue you should need.
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What?
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I genuinely don't, who's a racist pizza maker?
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Racist pizza man.
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Racist pizza, is it the QAnon shaman?
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No.
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I have no idea who a racist pizza man is.
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Papa John.
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His first guest was Papa John.
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OK.
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I would never have guessed pizza man leads to Papa John.
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I was in my head like, I'm trying to figure out,
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no, I was trying to figure out that it's
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got to be something to do with pizza gate,
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or it is a pizza delivery person who has just
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been on Twitter for being,
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Oh, somebody who got canceled.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, in some ways, Papa John was canceled.
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Well, wow.
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Papa John.
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Papa John.
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His first episode, right out the gate, blockbuster booking.
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Hot and fresh, in the box.
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Lots of toppings.
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I'm telling you, you got to get the guy from Little C-State.
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Papa John, Kaya Reichik of Libs of TikTok, James O'Keefe,
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Zuby, Royce White, Alex Jones.
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It's quite a list.
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It's an intentional list.
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Yeah, yeah, that is a list.
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Papa John, though, first is really funny.
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Papa John.
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All right.
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So here's what I'm getting at, where
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I don't believe that people told Vivek not to interview Alex.
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This is part of his self-congratulatory speech
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that everyone who interviews Alex
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recites in order to inflate their own position.
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This has nothing to do with Alex.
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This is Vivek patting himself on the back
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for being so into free speech that he's
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willing to talk to Alex.
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Alex is a prop for these people to flex their free speech
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credentials.
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He's like the Carolina Reaper of free speech posturing.
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It is, yeah.
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He's like, oh, I took on the free speech
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challenge of talking to Alex.
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Yeah, 100%, the free speech speech that we hear before,
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that is as common as the new dad speech.
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Like, you know, the moment I looked into its eyes,
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I was like, oh, I would die for you.
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Yeah.
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If I were Alex, I would probably start
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to get a little offended by this objectification,
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but Alex is so desperate for anyone with even a bit of clout
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to have him around, I don't see him standing up
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for himself at any point.
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Anyway, I look forward to Alex not asking Vivek at all
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about his connection to George Soros
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through his having received the Paul and Daisy Soros
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Fellowship for New Americans, something
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that Vivek paid someone to scrub from his Wikipedia page
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before he announced his presidential run.
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Sounds like censorship and Soros ties.
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Not a good look, Alex.
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That fellowship, incidentally, it
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helps immigrants and children of immigrants
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get higher education, which seems
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like something Alex would be super opposed to existing.
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Anyway, it's not going to come up.
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I'm a big fan of whenever people really
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try to close the door behind them.
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You know, like, ooh, I got all this shit.
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Locked behind me, bitches.
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Fuck you.
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So just this happening is a remarkable thing.
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It's a weird turn of events.
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Like, in 2015, it was a ridiculous and unthinkable
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thing for Alex to have Trump, someone who was running
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for president, on his show.
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Yeah.
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Now, granted, Ron Paul had been on a bunch before that,
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but he doesn't really count.
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No.
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Trump giving Alex the attention and associating with him
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was enough to fundamentally transform the trajectory
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of Alex's career.
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It was a huge deal that this presidential candidate
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was going on this horrible dude's show,
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and they were endorsing each other.
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And now, in 2023, Alex goes on with Vivek, who's
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also running for president, and it doesn't really even matter.
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It doesn't mean a thing.
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Standards have fallen.
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The damage is done.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This doesn't rank to the point where I mean, obviously,
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you didn't know this happened.
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No.
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And I would say that a large portion of the people who
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are listening to our show didn't know this happened.
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It doesn't matter.
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No.
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He was on with Vivek, and whoever follows him on Twitter
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probably saw that it happened.
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But outside of that, no one gave us a shit.
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There is a part of me that genuinely feels like Alex is,
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Vivek is beneath him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Vivek is an even shittier con man swindler than Alex is.
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Well, but.
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Kind of sad.
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That may be the case, but I do think
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he is beneath him in some sense.
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True.
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Like with Trump, he was poised to at least
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win the GOP primary and have a decent chance
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at the presidency when Alex attached himself to him
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and appeared with him.
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Yeah.
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Ron Paul is an ideologue of decades for Alex
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to have on regardless of him running
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for president at any point.
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Yeah.
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Vivek is polling at like 4% or something?
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Who knows why?
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He is somebody who's trying to create his own brand,
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and Alex is now participating in that,
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as opposed to attaching himself to somebody
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who has any adjacency to power, has any relevance.
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And I mean, you can say it's beneath him,
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and I think in some ways that's accurate,
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but Alex is also only interested in some kind of a media
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attention-based grind.
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Yeah.
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And so it is a partnership that makes some sense in terms
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of them both being craven attention grabbers.
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Well, I mean, as far as that goes,
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you know, like it's a simple optics thing.
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Nobody who is doing the interviewing
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is going to become the president.
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You know?
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You're the person.
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That's a different power balance,
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and nobody's going to respect it.
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Oh, yeah, because Vivek is having him in as opposed
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to coming on to Infowars.
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Yeah.
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It's just a power balance thing, and nobody's
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going to respect it.
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You have welcomed Alex into your house
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as opposed to going to use him for his audience.
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And that is unfortunate.
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You need to be the person in, like people need to be like,
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oh, I want you to have more power instead of being like,
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yeah, I'll show up at your place.
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Yeah, that's not how it goes.
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Nah.
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So anyway, Vivek talks a little bit more
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about how everyone should be able to speak.
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And so you know what?
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It's wrong that we've become a culture that
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wants to censor free speech and open debate,
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and I think that part of the American way of life
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is we don't just embrace moderate ideals.
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That is an extreme idea, the idea
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that you get to speak your mind as long as I get to in return.
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That's a wild idea.
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For most of human history, it was done the other way,
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and that's what makes America great.
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That's what makes America itself.
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And so if somebody tells me, don't listen to this person,
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my reaction is, you know what?
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I'm going to listen to them.
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I'm going to keep an open mind and hear
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what every person has to say, because I'm a human being.
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Each of us as Americans is a human being,
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and we can judge for ourselves what
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we believe the actual right way forward is for our country.
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So this is actually a broken formulation.
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Vivek is trying to say that when he hears somebody say
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that you shouldn't listen to somebody, he says, no.
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I'm going to listen to them and see what they have to say.
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So that must mean that he's gone and listened to Alex's show,
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right?
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Like, he must have tuned in and heard
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the incoherent drunk ramblings of a bigot lunatic
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and then said, oof, those people were right.
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There's no reason to listen to this guy.
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That must have been what happened,
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because Vivek is a principled free speech stand-upper guy,
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so he must have wanted to really investigate the speech that
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people were telling him to avoid.
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This is total bullshit, though.
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When Vivek hears somebody say, you shouldn't listen to Alex,
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he doesn't think he should check out this maligned speech
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and make his own decision.
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He sees an opportunity.
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If somebody is controversial enough to have people saying
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you shouldn't listen to him, then he probably
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has some juice I can exploit by interviewing him,
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thereby showing myself to be the biggest boy who
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defends free speech the most.
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I would love for Vivek to stand up for free speech
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in a different way.
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Instead of doing a publicity stunt ass interview on Twitter,
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how about he make a video of himself watching Alex's show
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and trying to defend the nonsense Alex says?
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This is a point I really want to drive home.
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Not a single aspect of Vivek's decision to make this interview
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involves free speech.
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It's a craven publicity decision,
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driven by the illusion that it somehow
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makes you a hero for being brave enough to talk to Alex.
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And it's all theater.
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This is all nonsense.
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It doesn't mean anything.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, hey, listen.
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When you're running for president,
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you've got to talk up America's ideals and all that shit.
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But nobody likes to kiss ass, right?
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Like, oh, yeah, free speech, listen.
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I think everybody in the United States realistically is like,
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man, free speech might have gotten a little bit out
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of control.
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I'm not saying everybody's like, it's gotten a lot out
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of control.
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But I think everybody has looked at our political system
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and the way they talk to each other
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and been like, something might not be right.
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Is free speech really like the right
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to be free of people saying, hey, this guy sucks?
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Because I don't think it is.
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It feels like what he wants is the right to disregard speech,
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regardless of whether or not it's true.
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And the right to, which he actually does totally
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have, the right to imagine that speech is different than it is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I want the right to create a fantasy version of the speech
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that people are mad at in order to justify
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why I'm not opposed to it.
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I mean, his description of it even
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is like, if you analyze the thought process behind,
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you can say whatever you want so long as I can say whatever
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I want back to you.
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What he's looking for is the ability
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to not listen, to completely be like, listen,
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I am not going to listen to a word that you have to say.
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I'm waiting to say what I think matters.
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Right, your free speech is really about my free speech.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm tolerating you talking so I can tell you
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what you're doing wrong.
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I mean, that's fine, I kind of think.
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I mean, if that's how you want to view interaction with people,
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I guess.
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Yeah, I think it's a little hollow,
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but it's not against the Constitution.
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It's not even really what the Constitution or the idea
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of free speech is about.
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Not particularly.
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Once again, it is the government not telling you,
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not arresting you or jailing you.
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It's not like, hey, people should
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stop telling Alex to shut up because he's an idiot.
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It's not conversational.
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It's not even a little bit conversational.
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It is purely the government cannot do a thing to you
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for this reason.
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Right.
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Anyway, here comes the intro of Alex into the proceedings.
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So with that said, I've been looking forward
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to this conversation for a long time.
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I'm excited about it.
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Alex Jones, it's good to see you, man.
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Vivek, thanks for doing this because when they censor you
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and deplatform you, they can then steal your identity
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and misrepresent what you've said and done
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and then build a straw man.
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And that's why they fight so hard.
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99% of the things they say about me aren't true.
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They never show a clip.
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They just say, I've done these things I haven't done.
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And it reminds me of them saying that Trump said after the thing
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that happened in Virginia, in Charlottesville,
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that he said Hispanics are horrible criminals,
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bad people.
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He didn't say that.
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He said they're wonderful, good people,
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but there are also a lot of bad people
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coming across the border.
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They wouldn't show the clip.
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They would just say he said that.
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But he had a big enough bully pulpit to override that.
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And so it doubled the number of Hispanics
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when he first got elected towards the end of his first
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term who understood that it was a lie.
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And they then embraced him because of that.
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But that was because he could show them the actual clip
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and show them that there had been a lie.
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If Alex is saying that 90% of the stuff that people
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say about Alex on social media isn't true,
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then that might be fair.
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People post stupid shit.
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There's a lot of Alex Jones was right memes
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that are completely inaccurate.
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And people really love to post clips of him
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with entirely fraudulent context.
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I've seen a lot of old clips being recycled
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by people lying about the context in order
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to make it seem like he's saying something
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different from what he actually was saying.
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And that's a problem that exists with people
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who are critical of Alex just as much as it does
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with people who support him.
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But if Alex is really interested in people
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dealing with what he actually says, he should fucking love us.
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And yet, mysteriously, it's radio silence
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about his most loyal and most clip heavy critics.
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It does feel that way.
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Weird.
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Incidentally, here's the clip from Trump's announcement
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of his candidacy back in 2015 that Alex is talking about,
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that everybody takes out a context,
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oh, they never play a clip.
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The US has become a dumping ground
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for everybody else's problems.
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Thank you.
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It's true.
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And these are the best and the finest.
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When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.
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They're not sending you.
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They're not sending you.
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They're sending people that have lots of problems,
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and they're bringing those problems with us.
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They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime,
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they're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.
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But I speak to border guards,
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and they tell us what we're getting.
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And it only makes common sense.
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It only makes common sense.
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They're sending us not the right people.
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It's coming from more than Mexico.
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It's coming from all over South and Latin America,
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and it's coming probably, probably from the Middle East.
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But we don't know, because we have no protection,
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and we have no competence.
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We don't know what's happening, and it's got to stop,
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and it's got to stop fast.
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Oh, man.
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It sounds like the media reported on that one correctly.
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Maybe Alex's version is a little bit of rewriting history.
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Alex has created a fake version of both what the media said.
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He's claiming they said something that they didn't,
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and then also a fake version of what Trump said,
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because he's a big old liar.
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You might notice here that Alex says that Trump said this
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after that thing that happened in Virginia,
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which is a reference to the Unite the Right rally
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in Charlottesville.
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What's happening here is that Alex is mixing up
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his everyone lies about what Trump said narratives
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and getting them all backwards.
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That one's supposed to be about the good people
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on both sides comment, not the Mexico sending over
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their criminals one.
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Alex is just, he doesn't know what he's doing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Also, Trump didn't double his support
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among the Hispanic population.
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This is just made up, and Vivek is over there
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nodding his head along, because he gives about
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as much of a shit about reality as Alex does.
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The Hispanic vote went 66 to 28 in favor of Clinton
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in 2016, and 59, 38 in favor of Biden in 2020.
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This is an improvement, but it's not nearly the kind
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of swing that Alex is talking about.
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It would be over 50% in favor of Trump
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if there was a doubling, and this did not happen.
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If I was doing this interview, right,
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and here's what I would do after Alex said that.
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I would say, Alex, I said hi,
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and you defended racism somehow.
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Right.
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Let's just not do this.
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Yeah, hey, everybody lies about how Trump said racist things
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about how they, and also how they create a fake version
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of, really, off to the races.
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I said hi, I said hi.
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We'll get to, I mean, maybe, hopefully.
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Instead, Alex just says his piece,
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and Vivek's like, yeah.
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Yeah, good call.
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Cool.
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I should run the country.
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So look, man, people say that Alex
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shouldn't be interviewed, but they let other people
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get interviewed, why?
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I'm not as big as Trump.
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I'm probably like 5% of the poll he's got,
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and so I have been successfully, in many ways, destroyed.
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I mean, they built another Alex Jones that's not me,
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and that's why they say don't ever interview Alex Jones,
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because they're gonna hear something
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that probably most people are gonna agree with.
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Yeah, so it's interesting.
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I think that, I mean, I wouldn't be here
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if it weren't for the fact that,
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George Soros?
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Somebody came up, I don't know if it was someone
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from your team or someone who's part of your,
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you know, one of your followers or something suggested it,
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and I said, okay, well, several people are saying suggest,
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talk to this guy, let's see if that's something
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we're open to, and then the reaction that I get is,
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no, no, no, no, this is a guy you don't wanna talk to,
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it's gonna be politically toxic for you,
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and my view is no, no, no,
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we're the United States of America,
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so I have no idea if I'm gonna agree
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with everything you're gonna say or not, but.
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Well, I mean, here's your comeback, Tom.
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I'm curious about this, yeah.
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Here's your comeback, Lester Holt, last week,
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did a really important interview, or two weeks ago,
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with the Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of Iran.
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Now, that guy is praising the attacks on Israel,
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it's terrible, I think he's a bad guy.
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Yeah, Khomeini's not a good guy.
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It doesn't mean I want World War III with him either,
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and Hezbollah, who's got sleeper cells in America
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on our open border, but that said,
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everybody doesn't attack Lester Holt
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interviewing the leader of Iran, the religious dictator.
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I think that if Alex were the leader of a foreign country,
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then regardless of how much you might worry
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about interviewing him, you kinda have to.
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Since he's not, I'm not sure that this comparison
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with the Ayatollah is doing him any favors,
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and it doesn't help the argument
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that you should interview him.
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I wanna touch on that thing that Alex says there, though,
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about how people don't want you to interview him
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because you'll likely end up hearing something
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you agree with, that's kind of the point.
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Alex is a liar, and at some point in an interview,
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you might hear him lie about something
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in a way that you agree with, and it's pretty dangerous.
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He's basically an impossible interview subject
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because you cannot possibly keep up
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with all the claims that he throws out,
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so inevitably, unless you have a very slow,
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very methodical, and very confrontational
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interview with him, you're gonna end up
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accidentally, tacitly signing off on countless untrue things.
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The choice to not interview him
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has as much to do with protecting your own credibility
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as it has to do with protecting your audience.
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Consider, in just the first few minutes
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of this interview that we've heard,
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the fake has signed off on Alex's claim
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that Trump's Hispanic support doubled from 2016
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to the end of his presidency and the mischaracterization
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of Alex's version of what Trump said,
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and just there, we heard Alex drop in the claim
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that because of our lack of border security,
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Hezbollah has sleeper cells in American cities.
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There's no pushback on that because, you know,
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it was a complete sidetrack to the point being made.
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In order for Vivek to chase that down,
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he would need to completely shift subjects
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from the one that he wants to talk about,
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which is how brave and righteous it is
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to be interviewing Alex.
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Alex knows that Vivek isn't going to challenge him
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on points like this because it works against
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the basic reason that this interview is happening.
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Alex knows that he has all the cards here.
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He can lie with impunity and say whatever he wants,
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and Vivek essentially has to go along with it
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or risk undercutting the entire premise of the interview.
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People said not to interview Alex,
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but I stood up and did it anyway.
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Well, what if you did it only to find out
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that all those people were right
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and Alex is a manipulative liar?
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What then?
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Then is the point of the entire interview
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that the censorious people you were complaining about
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are actually right?
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Alex knows that this isn't going to be how it goes,
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and by agreeing to have this interview,
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Vivek put him in a situation
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that is entirely subservient to Alex.
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There is no win for him.
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He's in a trap the second this interview starts.
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It is, it is.
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Especially when you frame it with the
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I'm so brave and free speech.
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I mean, the moment you start with that,
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you have revealed that what you want is to masturbate
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Yes.
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to Alex Jones masturbating,
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and you both tell each other that you look great doing it.
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There is no way this interview can go bad for Alex
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once the framing of it is everybody told me
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not to interview you and I'm doing it anyway.
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Because why would you then operate in a way
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that validates the cancel culture mob
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I mean, yeah.
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that you stand against?
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It's ridiculous.
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The idea of being an interview subject
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and the first thing that the interviewer says is,
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I'm the greatest just for talking to you.
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Yeah.
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He's like, oh, thank you.
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All I have to do is tie a little stroke of your ego
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and you'll let me say whatever the fuck I want.
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Yeah, I would be like, this guy's a clown, I win.
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And guess what?
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It's not a little stroke of the ego that comes,
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but that's exactly what happens.
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Yep.
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And I'm not kissing your ass, it's just true.
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You are the most informed
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and the least is to attack him, it's true.
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Geopolitically, you name it,
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compared to anybody I've ever basically interviewed it
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and Tucker Carlson's super smart
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and I would say has more charisma,
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but he's a close second.
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Your grasp,
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cause I see the random questions you're asking
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of just a wide spectrum of things is amazing.
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And your understanding that America
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is the idea of a free market competitive culture
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is something that globalists can't have
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because they have a competing corporate oligarchy
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or tyranny and cashless society, social credit score
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they're setting up with the ESGs.
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And that's the potential of America is so powerful
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because people aspire to that.
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America has to be wiped out with political correctness
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and all the rest of it so that the whole world
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can be leveled down to one giant third world population
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that BlackRock and the mega corporations can exploit
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and control and quote, control our behavior,
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as Larry Fink said.
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So congratulations on the work you've done.
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The number one candidate I support is Donald Trump.
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If something happened to him,
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I would support you for president.
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And I'm very, very impressed.
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A lot of people say, well, five years ago,
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his views were a little bit different.
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Well, so were mine.
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And so people say, well, he wasn't perfect in the past.
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Well, I'm not perfect today.
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We have to be ready as the world awakens
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the real political system to have converts
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to liberty and freedom in Americana.
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And so the fact that you are a leading light,
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really promoting the truth is amazing.
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And the few people that criticize you saying,
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well, you know, he just showed up on the scene.
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Well, that's what happens with innovation and ideas.
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Of course, you didn't just show up on the scene,
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but exploded on the national scene.
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And so I really appreciate your campaign.
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I think it's the best thing out there.
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When you watch these Republican debates,
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they're unwatchable, except for you.
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My listeners all agree.
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The crew all agree.
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They absolutely do not.
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Why don't we just have you up there for two hours
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instead because there's nothing but talking points
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and canned garbage from the rest of them
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because I can tell you run your campaign.
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All the rest of these people are told what to say
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two minutes straight of Alex just kissing this guy's ass.
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If I got half of that, I would slap that person in the face.
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Like, stop this.
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This is disgusting.
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I don't believe a fucking word you're saying.
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Yeah, I would take that as hostile.
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How dare you say that you and the crew agreed
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that I should be the only one up there for two hours.
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You're fucking lying to me.
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Well, actually, maybe not.
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But only because they hate the rest of the candidates.
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Well, I mean, yeah.
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I'm fine with it.
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In terms of that debate stage, yes.
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Maybe Vivek is the only one on there that they would like.
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Here's a couple of choice comments on Band.video
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from this interview.
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Quote, Vivek is supported by the Soros family and the WEF.
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Quote, he's Vivek the snake.
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Ooh.
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I would actually lean into that one, though.
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That'll get you a brain presence.
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So there are some other videos on Band.video
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from other creators, like Alex's buddy, Pete Santilli.
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Here's one title from Pete Santilli.
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Quote, attention all Vivek rumpa swampy dum-dums.
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He's a well-known fraudster.
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That is going to go down in history
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as one of the worst made up trying to be bullying names.
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It's not good.
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That's just mispronouncing it.
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And that's not even offensive.
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No, because he had to throw swamp in there.
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No, no, no.
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I know.
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But I mean, if you were going to-
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Rumpa swampy would be the way you did it instead of rumpa.
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Right, exactly.
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Yeah.
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It's terrible, terrible.
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The audience definitely doesn't support Vivek.
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But Alex needs whatever promotion
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he can get at this point.
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So he's just pouring on the effusive praise
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in a way that would make Steve Pacanik blush.
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This is just pathetic levels of trying to butter someone up.
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And if I were Vivek, there would be serious red flags going up.
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But then again, Vivek doesn't know anything
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about who Alex actually is or what his audience believes.
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So he probably thinks this is legit and sincere praise.
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It's ridiculous.
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He should have prepared, I think.
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You think?
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Yeah, probably.
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It's good to know a little bit about the person you're
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going into an interview with so you don't come out
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looking like a real rube.
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I genuinely can't, but I can't believe
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how much I have learned in recent times as a lesson
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that I felt like I thought was very easy to learn when we were
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doing open mics, which is just like, oh,
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if you're asked to do a homework show, do your homework.
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Right.
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It's just not complicated.
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Do your preparation.
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Just prepare.
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Everybody thinks you can wing it.
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And here's the thing.
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Sometimes you can.
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Some people can.
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Sometimes you can get away with it.
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I think almost everybody can sometimes.
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But when you find yourself in a situation
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where you think you can wing it and you can't, oh boy.
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Not good.
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It is tough.
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And that's kind of why I think that it's
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good that we have that history of those open mics and stuff.
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Because there is so little stakes
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to the not preparing for those.
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You have the experience of, uh-oh, I'm in way over my head.
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But it doesn't matter.
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There's four people in the audience.
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Totally.
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So who cares?
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No, the first time I think I did Arguments and Grievances,
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I think Druffki and I did it.
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And it was so bad we were both like,
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do not release that episode.
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Oh, wow.
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I did it like three times since then.
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Way better at preparing.
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Way better at preparing.
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But that first time was so bad.
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And I'll never forget it.
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I did that show a number of times.
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I always loved a homework show.
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Shocking.
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What a shock.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I did the most embarrassing one I did.
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I did against Derek Smith.
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Oh, yeah.
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And we did Lost vs. Gilligan's Island, a debate about that.
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And I was on the side of Lost.
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And I described how stupid Gilligan's Island was.
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And saw this like, hey, the Globetrotters
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showed up at some point.
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What is this?
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And then Derek just got up and he's like, sounds pretty great.
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And the audience was like, yeah.
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It's like, I dug my own grave here, this sucks.
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So anyway, Vivek is not prepared.
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And here's where he jumps in with the first question.
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Since we're meeting for the first time, just a few minutes.
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Your audience is probably very well familiar with this.
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But in your own words, just to hear it without,
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I didn't Google any of this beforehand, et cetera.
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I don't want to be biased.
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What's your journey to the views that you have now?
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I mean, what gets you going in terms of your mission?
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You're clearly passionate about your mission.
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You want to revive the essence of our founding
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ideals of the free exchange of ideas,
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not be controlled in a way that impedes
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the sovereignty of the United States.
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I know these topics animate you.
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So wait, if he didn't want to look anything up
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and wanted to eliminate all possibility of bias,
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why is Vivek interjecting what he believes
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Alex's fundamental mission to be?
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Seems like he's injecting some bias here.
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I mean, you can't be, oh, I didn't want to look anybody up.
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Because I didn't want any bias.
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Everybody in the world knows he sucks.
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They told you.
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You already were biased.
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Your bias was, it's cooler for me to do what they say is wrong.
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So I already know that this guy's a piece of shit.
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And even if you take him seriously,
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if you take this legitimately, I wanted
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to eliminate any bias so I didn't look you up,
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it's basically just him saying, I'm
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rolling out the red carpet for you
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to say whatever the fuck you want.
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I have no idea what he's saying.
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Whatever the fuck you want, I have no basis by which
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to refute anything you say.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Please, lie at will.
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I will not push back, sir.
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And that means I must be the next president
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of the United States.
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So Alex gets into talking about his family
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and how that was the basis of a lot of this stuff.
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But what personally got you to that place right now?
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I had a lot of family that worked in the sharp end
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of the stick in US intelligence.
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And they never really told me any
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of the classified or secret stuff.
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But my uncle was high level, I ran
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Contra and a bunch of other stuff.
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Oh, really?
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See, I wouldn't have ever guessed that.
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Your parents or uncles?
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Just a lot of people, yeah.
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A lot of people in your family were in US intelligence.
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Well, I mean, back during the 70s, 80s and stuff,
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before they went from humet to electronic intelligence,
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there was a mobilization of the population
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against the Russians and others.
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And so, yeah, I mean, I had a lot of family.
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I went to a family name like a soldier of fortune convention.
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No records.
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And they would just talk about what the government was doing,
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what was going on.
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They were patriots.
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But just like we see all these whistleblowers now
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in the government, they didn't like what was happening.
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A lot of my family was caught up in the Red Scare.
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And they pretended that they were
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in far more official capacities than they were,
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much like soldier of fortune folks.
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Very much.
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Did I miss something?
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Did we rebrand the Iran-Contra thing as patriotism?
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Did I miss that?
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Yeah, you did.
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No, I don't.
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But that was the thing that they didn't like.
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Right, but Larry Nichols was involved in it
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and Alex's uncle.
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And so it can't be bad.
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But the point of it was that Reagan
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wasn't supposed to do that because the people that
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like Reagan did.
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No, because he was fighting communism.
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Oh, OK, fine.
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Now, here's the way that this cookie crumbles
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or how the cow eats the cabbage or whatever
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metaphor you want to use.
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Alex has made Iran-Contra OK because he's
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created that version of it that they were secretly actually
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kidnapping kids and trafficking them.
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That's the bad part of Iran-Contra.
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The stuff that Larry Nichols was involved in and his uncle,
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that's the good part of Iran-Contra.
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Right, right.
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Also, I would say that Alex's uncle wasn't just
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running a airport hangar or whatever
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if he was high level in Iran-Contra.
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Really feels that.
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Feels like that deathbed confession
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might have been bullshit, Alex.
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Yeah.
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I do believe that his family gatherings
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are like Soldier of Fortune, though.
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I agree.
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I 100% believe that they're like those stories of the Bundy's,
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you know, telling war stories and none of you have been there.
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It's lousy with white supremacists.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Much like Soldier of Fortune.
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Much like Soldier of Fortune.
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Wonder if Alex is going to fill the vacant on how his dad was
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the smartest boy in Texas and the globalists tried
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to recruit him into the depopulation plan
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multiple times, or how his family was
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full of JBS extremists, or how Alex got his mission
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from a prophetic vision he had as a child,
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or how Alex is psychic and God has chosen him
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to fight the devil.
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I wonder if he'll get into any of that stuff.
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I'm going to guess not because he understands where he's at
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and he doesn't want to scare people off too fast.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that would be, that would be, I swear to you,
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I would actually be slightly interested in this
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if Vivek was like, you know what?
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Let's just get into it, man.
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Interdimensional space beings and the devil.
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Let's go.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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They're trying to sacrifice souls to Saturn.
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Totally.
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Absolutely.
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Like, all of that shit, if that, if Vivek was like, let's,
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you know what?
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It's Vivek.
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It rhymes with cake.
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Vivek.
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And I know that because of his freestyle rapping.
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Sure.
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Mm.
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Yeah, I do.
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I watched him freestyle rap and that's one
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of the lines he said.
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My name is Vivek.
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It rhymes with cake.
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It's very close.
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Yeah, I believe that.
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I believe that is exactly what it is, yeah.
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All right.
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I forget how to pronounce his name.
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I just think he's going to become the next president of the United States.
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You already have your money on Nikki Haley.
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Not a lot of money.
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It's a bad bet.
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I would like that if Vivek knew what Alex believed and brought some of that into it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I would appreciate that because it would make for a more interesting interview.
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Yeah.
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Secondarily, I think that Alex, like, we're talking about how he knows that he's got this
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wrapped around his finger.
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Yeah.
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And that is part of why he doesn't get into that other stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because this is an opportunity to potentially penetrate audiences that aren't in his normal
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revenue stream already.
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Yep.
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And so you don't want to freak them out with all your talk about demons and how you see
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visions and downloads from God and all this stuff because immediately they'll put you
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in a box of, oh, this person's nuts.
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Yeah, no, you're doing your media thing, which is I'm going on the Vivek show, so I'm going
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to do the Vivek show.
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Yes.
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And to pretend that this is all very, like, document-based and, like, you know, it's all
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like taking the nonsense out of it.
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And it's a pathetic display.
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And if Vivek did any kind of research in advance, he would know that Alex is putting on a show
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for him.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that isn't the idea, right?
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Like if you're doing an interview with somebody and you ask them a question, then they would
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give the same response when they do another interview, right?
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They would hope.
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That's the idea.
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Otherwise, the answer to the question is meaningless.
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And so it's kind of good to watch other interviews of subjects that you're preparing to interview
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because then you can know if, like, wait, you said something different in another interview.
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Exactly.
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And then you can get to deeper truth.
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Right.
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But that's not what this is about.
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That doesn't seem to be the case.
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No, not at all.
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All right.
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So Alex talks about how his path, you know, of course, he had his family who were on the
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sharp end of spears.
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And then Alex went to college, sort of.
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When you're a child growing up hearing all this, I just kind of absorbed it.
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I wasn't even really listening to it until later.
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I realized how true it was.
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And then I started to go to college a little bit, but I was already very successful in
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business by the time I was like 19 as a salesman.
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And boom, I saw really this anti-American race-based brainwashing that we see out in
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the open now that was going on here in Austin on the college campuses.
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And so I decided-
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And when was this?
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Just so we track the time?
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This is in about 1993.
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OK.
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And there it says 1994, officially 95.
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So Alex was a gym membership salesperson prior to, so that's what he was up to.
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I bet he was really good at it.
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Yeah.
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I really do think that he would be- I think he would be a star salesman anyway.
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He's a terrifyingly charismatic and manipulative person.
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He has no qualms with lying to people.
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And he was built like Adonis back then.
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So it would be very easy to have that charm kick in and he's an example of the fitness
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that you could get at this gym.
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Yeah.
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So that's probably why he made a lot of money doing that.
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Yeah.
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Whenever I was doing the hearing aids thing, I went to a couple of conferences and there
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were a few of those guys where you saw them and you were like, you have no morality whatsoever.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I did the Cutco knife sale.
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I mean, I didn't actually end up doing it, but I went in for the interview or whatever
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and I had a couple of friends who got sucked into it and actually bought the pack to go
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sell it to people.
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And I did note that the people who were successful in it were the most able to turn off that
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part of themselves that has concern for others.
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No, that first conversation where somebody's like, here's how you get somebody who doesn't
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necessarily need this, is like, you've explained everything that's wrong with all of the stuff.
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And your standard is like, you know, people can give you three rebuttals before you have
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to listen to them.
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Exactly.
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It's like, uh, no.
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That's not good.
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No.
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That's not good.
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So I want to say that Alex X absolutely did not start his career complaining about race-based
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garbage.
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It was really obvious even back early on that he was a white identity adherent, but he tried
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really hard to make the presentation of what he did race neutral.
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It was all about the Federal Reserve Bank.
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It was about the Trans Texas Corridors, it was about the UN trying to take control of
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national parks.
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It was about the ATF malfeasance in Waco.
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It wasn't these social issues.
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And obviously that probably was in the background for him, but he knew better than to make it
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his presentation because he knew to put him in a box of, hey, oh, you know, your extreme
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right-wing world is really full of white supremacists and you're intentionally hiding, you're putting
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a mask on some of your white identity beliefs and how you're angry about this race-based
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garbage because you don't want to be too obvious with it, that this is the world you come from.
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This is what you're about.
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And his mask is slipped now and you know, it's very clear.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It is weird with his mask though in so far as like, you can't really take it off because
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when you take it off, then he turns around to the people who already, who know the mask
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and he just puts it back on and it's fine.
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We have to take away the mask, but it's inside of his brain.
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Can't do it.
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Yeah.
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And he has such an interesting like position as like somebody who requires to have a mask
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and not at the same time because of the way that the financial pressures of his business
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work, the extremist expectations of his audience, that balancing act requires mask and not mask
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simultaneously.
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Right.
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Like when you have a mask on, you have to deny that you're wearing a mask.
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When it's off, you have to pretend you are.
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It's just a mask.
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He becomes Janus.
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Who?
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The God.
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The Muppet?
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The God.
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Oh.
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The God with the two faces.
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I thought you meant the Muppet who was in Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem.
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Not Janus.
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Janus.
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Janus.
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Yeah.
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So Alex talks here a little bit about his early days in radio.
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Okay.
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And then I was going to community college, figuring out if I wanted to go to Maine College
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and it was just insane.
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I went and sat in on some UT courses on RTF, radio, television, films.
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I thought I might want to do that because I wanted to be politically involved and they
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were teaching 20 year old stuff.
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I was like, you're not talking about the internet, these classes.
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Why am I here?
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Like, well, first you got to take all these other classes.
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So I started out on access TV in 1994, got my own show in 95, got a website in 97, got
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a local radio show in 96, called up satellite companies, bought the equipment.
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The station let me put in the connection of the satellite, syndicated myself when I was
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...
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And you're in your early 20s doing, just decided you're going to do all this yourself.
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Syndicated myself at 22, got on suddenly like 50 something radio stations.
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It was insane.
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Hit the national news immediately, decided to set us on coffee.
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What were you talking about?
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Well, set us on coffee mugs and like newsletters like other talk shows did to supplement their
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income.
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I said, I'm going to make films.
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It's really interesting the way that Alex is totally right and totally wrong about education.
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He's like, this is what I want to learn and you're not teaching me that in this entry
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level class.
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Totally.
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And that is frustrating because he doesn't realize like, oh, you got to learn the basics.
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That's kind of the part of education.
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It's a progress, it's a process thing.
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But at the same time, his instinct is to like, I'm going to fucking teach myself.
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And there's something to be said for that.
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I don't think that there's anything wrong with people who are like, this path of education
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isn't for me.
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I'm going to learn by doing because some people's brains work better that way.
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But that is not a repudiation or a repudiation, excuse me, of education as a whole.
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He just doesn't understand that there are multiple paths towards the goal that he wanted
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and he was too impatient or his brain just didn't work in the way that education goes.
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That's fine.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It would have been nice.
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It would have been nice if there was some way to be like, okay, agreed.
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Nobody's talking about the internet.
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Like journalism 101, just ethics, journal 101, and then leave.
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If you had those two, just throw in that one.
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I don't know if 101 is going to be enough for him.
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The complicated immoralities that he is dealing in.
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It's also, he's conveniently leaving out the part where his dad got him his first radio
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show and of course the entire section of his syndication that came from his partnership
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with Ted Anderson and Midas Resources.
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No, he's a self-made man.
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Don't you hear the story of a self-made boots from his bootstraps?
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He didn't just supplement his income with documentaries.
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He was a shameless gold shill.
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It's probably not how I would tell the story either if I'm talking to Vivek and he's very
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clearly made abundantly obvious that he's not going to push back on anything.
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I wouldn't say that I hooked up with an unsavory gold salesman who had a need for a front man
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to sell his gold and that was what made my show.
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I probably wouldn't say that either.
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Yeah.
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Vivek is not so much printing the legend as being like, you want to be a myth, buddy?
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I'll up your game.
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Let's do it.
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All yes and it.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, his path hit a bumpy patch at one point.
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That was 9-11.
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You can always... Wait, what?
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Yeah, it was 9-11.
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That's his best... Well, some might say that and I will after
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this clip.
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Yeah.
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And so I just basically exploded onto the underground scene with conservatives and people
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that were aware of what was going on and in about 1996 I was already reaching millions
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of people.
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And so it's been a long, long-term operation, 29 years on air.
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Ever since?
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Absolutely.
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9-11 happened and I questioned 9-11 and I was on almost 200 radio stations.
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I've been offered by major companies the next big Rush Limbaugh style deal.
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I guess Glenn Beck took that deal, nothing against him, overall great guy, really smart.
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And I went from almost 200 affiliates to 30 something affiliates in one month when 9-11
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happened.
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I knew about radical Islam and I believe Islamists were involved, but I knew about the NORAD
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stand down.
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I knew about building seven.
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I knew about a lot of the stuff that I was talking to police about that were on the ground
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that they knew it was coming bare minimum, kind of like I'm against the attack on Israel
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and Hamas is terrible.
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Stop, stop.
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But something like 85% major polls of Israelis think the government knew and let it happen
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now.
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Wait, it's Hamas now?
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So it's the same thing.
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But when I said that then, the radio network that I was on, GCN, came to me and they said,
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listen, we just lost 50 affiliates today, they're all going to dump you if you don't
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stop.
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And I said, well, it's the truth.
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I'm going to keep questioning it.
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So that just shows I never did this for monetary gain or just to be popular, though I do need
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monetary operations to fund my operation and be free and independent, I'm not for sale.
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And so I've already been up and down.
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That's why they deplatformed me and things and thought I would just give up.
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I didn't.
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So I started out on access television.
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And so I've started from the very, you know, mailroom of media and I've, you know, at one
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point in 2016, 17, much bigger show than Rush Limbaugh, much bigger show than Joe Rogan,
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undoubtedly the number one independent or not even independent media show in the country,
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over 30 million viewers and listeners, 2016, 2017.
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And then that's when they deplatformed me because I was just number one.
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I mean, every day over 25 million listeners conservatively.
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And so that's when they said, well, we got to stop this guy.
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And then that's when they got a tax game.
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But I've survived that.
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And now we've rebuilt.
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And in many ways, we're stronger than ever.
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We're definitely more influential.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It just allows all that to be presented without question.
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But it is an interesting question, the dynamics of losing stations over 9-11 conspiracies.
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For one thing, I don't actually believe that they lost that many stations because of it.
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I have a strong suspicion this is overblown.
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And honestly, based on my multiple assessments of Alex's radio reach over the years, I don't
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think that radio has ever really been that important to him in terms of a financial kind
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of construct.
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Ted and GCN needed Alex to sell gold.
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And if he was able to do that by radio commercials, that's great.
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But if Alex is able to sell more gold with less stations, Ted wouldn't have any problem
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with that.
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Yeah.
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I suspect Alex understood that.
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He stood to gain far more by positioning himself as the world's primary 9-11 truther.
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And that brand was actually much more profitable for him than whatever low-level radio markets
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his show stopped running in.
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He had to have known that.
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He's clever enough.
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Yeah.
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Plus, I'm not gonna-
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He went to RTF and was like, you're not talking about the internet.
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Right.
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He gets it.
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Yeah.
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He understands on some base level, whether it's an intellectual understanding or an instinctual
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one, what kind of works.
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And especially, he was much better prior to the erosion of his brain from alcohol and
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drugs and whatever he's done now.
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But back then, he would have been very keenly aware that there is an intense excitement
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on message boards and all over the internet about this 9-11 stuff.
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This is an untapped market.
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I can be the voice and the face of this.
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Bill Cooper's dead.
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There is a lot of opportunity here in this space.
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What do I have to worry about, losing some kind of fourth-tier market radio station?
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That doesn't matter.
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And plus, Alex, a lot of his audience is rural and outside of the range of these larger radio
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station transmission signals.
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All of that area is covered on shortwave.
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His WWCR extreme right wing radio station that does the shortwave broadcasting, they
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would have never had a problem with his 9-11 truther stuff.
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So I don't really think that there was a hit that he took from that.
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What I'm saying is that I don't buy into the premise that Alex, him being willing to lose
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stations over 9-11 means he's not motivated by money.
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I think it's a good way to create that presentation, though I don't believe the details actually
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bear that out.
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Yeah.
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I mean, in a different context, saying like, I caught the trend early, I realized what
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was going on, and I pounced on it, and I was rewarded for that, that is a totally okay
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thing to say.
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Totally.
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You know?
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I think it's an illustration of a great characteristic.
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Totally, yeah.
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But that's not the person that Alex is being for this interview.
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No.
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Alex isn't being a great businessman for this interview, he's telling you all of his business
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accomplishments as a way of telling you that people will follow, even though I'm not going
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for all of these business accomplishments, kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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But he's a journalist, that's what you gotta understand.
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No, I'm pretty sure that he's legally not a journalist, according to a-
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Well, I mean, in certain sections of time, circumstances, he'll say he's not a journalist.
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Right.
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When it's convenient.
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But other times he'll say he is.
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All right.
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Either way, that's irrelevant, because this is Vivek saying that he's a journalist.
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What I'm hearing is the story of a journalist.
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Yes.
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The story of a journalist.
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A guy who's curious, records things, describes them, and shares them with people.
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Portrait of the journalist is a young man.
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Now, let me ask a question, I'll tell you where I'm going with this.
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You're in this to seek underlying truth that other people aren't getting to.
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That's the one I'm hearing you and telling your story.
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Now, once in a while, that means you're going to find something that looks like it's going
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to be one way, it wasn't exactly the way you thought, and so maybe you were wrong.
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I've made a lot of mistakes.
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Yeah.
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And so what do you do in that scenario?
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Let's say you're a journalist.
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Double down.
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Because I know how mainstream media deals with it.
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Fly more.
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That's a different way, they sweep it under the rug.
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Let's say you're wrong and you realize that you had one thesis and you were getting to
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the bottom of it, but then you get to the hard facts and you say, hey, you were wrong
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about it.
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Give me an example of where that happened, actually.
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I think that's kind of interesting to hear you talk about.
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Also what I've noticed is they've had a lot of national TV characters like Homeland and
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the newer X-Files that came out in 2016.
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That is also what I've noticed in response to that question.
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Oh, really?
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Homeland?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They'll create the straw man where I'm lying on purpose and I'm getting things wrong on
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purpose.
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I never meant I'm wrong.
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I always, when I said I thought I knew something and I was wrong, I always admitted it.
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Oh, great.
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So that's not an answer to the question at all, huh?
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No.
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No.
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But I think that this is actually a great question for Vivek to ask if he had any awareness
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of who Alex is.
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It's shockingly like a, yeah.
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Because it's a process question, kind of.
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It's a question of we take for granted that you have gotten some things wrong.
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Everybody gets things wrong that you're seeking the truth, but sometimes you go down the wrong
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road.
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How do you deal with that?
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Yeah.
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The what do you do?
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The how do you do it?
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That is an interesting question.
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Right.
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Because you have to reflect a little bit, or at least in order to answer the question,
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you have to have reflected a little bit.
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And have experience.
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And of course, Alex deflects with, they would make a straw man of me in the media.
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Yeah.
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So that's about is what I would expect Alex to respond to that with.
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So Vivek brings it back to center and he wants an example.
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All right.
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And of course this, because Alex is in the situation that he is with the interview being
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clearly like, I can say whatever the fuck I want.
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Yeah.
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He just starts rambling about Sandy Hook.
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It's just nonsense.
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Wise move.
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As always.
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Give me an example.
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In the case of Sandy Hook, long before they sued me, long before they came after me, I
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barely talked about it.
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If you look at my live as a timeline, at first I thought it was official and thought it
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would happen.
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Then some professors and people came out with a bunch of anomalies and thought it might've
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been staged.
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Just like people are questioning whether Hamas cut baby's heads off right now.
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You know, that's the big thing going on.
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And I don't think there's really proof to that, but they blow them up, they shoot them.
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It's the same thing.
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Uh, so when you get things wrong on Twitter saying, Oh, we need to shoot people that said
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they cut baby's heads off or we need to sue the people that say it didn't happen.
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Center out center debate was Jesse Smollett really attacked, which we now know that was
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fake.
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Uh, or you know, so many of these other events like operation Northwoods and things did plan
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to do atrocities or did plan to stage atrocities and blame on an enemy.
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And so with that, I, I started saying, Oh, two or three years before I got sued, I said,
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I don't want to talk about this.
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I think the people that said this, it turns out are lunatics.
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I think the info they put out into, they were professors and, and, and school safety experts.
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I've found some of what they said, the anomalies wasn't true.
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I think school shootings happen.
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And because every time there was a school shooting, people would say, Alex Jones is
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saying this isn't happening, whether it was Parkland, any of that.
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So I was saying, no, I think it's happening.
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And then the media and the system went, Oh, he's weak on that.
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Cause they would never, they would super know the rug if they were wrong, let's get him.
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So then they re then they resurrected it.
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I was the platform for other stuff.
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I mean, look it up.
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So the vague is showing himself to be way out of his depth by letting this answer go
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on.
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This is an absolute lie and vague doesn't really know that he doesn't know that Alex
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was suggesting that Sandy Hook was a false flag under oath and the depositions for his
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defamation trial.
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He doesn't know that Alex was suggesting that that on air during the trial, because he was
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mad at the plaintiffs further vague has no idea what Alex did or didn't do around Sandy
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Hook.
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So he's in no position to push back against this complete fraud of a retelling of Alex's
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actions, because he's in no position to do his job as an interviewer.
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He's tacitly signing off on Alex's version of reality.
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This is why people say it's a bad idea to talk to Alex.
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It's because he will lie to your face and you don't have the information at your disposal
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to rebut it in real time.
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You're a clown being played by a liar.
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That's all that's happening here.
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When you're asking for an example of a time that you were wrong and how did you deal with
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that?
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Alex is explaining how he wasn't really wrong.
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He was, Hey, you know, we just had some conversations about some stuff and then he's just going
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into his script and I did do wrong, but I actually knew that it was going to be wrong
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in advance.
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I didn't get it because I was contractually obligated, you know, all these people, I'm
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doing it to make other people happy.
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That's what I do.
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I make other people happy.
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I wasn't trying to hurt people.
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And by the time there were any consequences for it, I had already cleared it up and I
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was already moved on past it and then they had to resurrect it in order to attack me
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because I was the most popular show in the world.
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I swear to you, once he started talking, I immediately in my head had these terrible
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flashbacks of just being like, all right, I need to remind you, this is not to determine
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innocence or guilt.
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This is a damages hearing.
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I just kept hearing that in my brain.
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Well, it's good.
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You're gonna have more flashback to that because he does talk about his trial a little and
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of course it's all lies.
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Yeah.
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I had a jury trial, but they found me guilty.
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The judge did, and then would not let us put on evidence.
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It was only a trial on damages.
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They put on a financial expert and said he's worth $400 million, $3 million in the back
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of the time for emergency backup money that's gone now.
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And then they put me through, they told the bankruptcy court that I had all this money.
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And of course it was proven.
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I told the truth.
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Obviously I go to jail and I lied in there and they don't care because they said we want
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to take him off here.
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No you wouldn't.
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And you do.
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Multiple times.
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We want to silence him.
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We want to end his free speech.
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These are quotes that they said in Connecticut, in the court, outside the court, and in Texas
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inside outside the court.
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So now I want to move on from that because there's bigger things than me, but this weaponization
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of the judiciary, Giuliani was basically defaulted in New York because there wasn't evidence
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they were asking for.
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The judge just said you're guilty.
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Fox in its January 6th case- What is this defaulting business?
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What does that mean?
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A default means it's called- I should know this.
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It's called the death penalty.
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Yes!
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You shouldn't know it.
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It's not supposed to be used.
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But I don't know about it.
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It's called a death penalty sanction.
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And so if they say you don't participate in a civil trial, the judge can find you guilty
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by default.
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They still have to have a trial on the damages.
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They didn't even give me a real trial on the damages.
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So this is a fraud on America and is very dangerous and they're defaulting people across
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the board now.
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If you don't show up.
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Yeah.
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But I did.
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And then with me, they said, well, you didn't give us the discovery because it didn't exist.
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They said, show us the marketing material for San Diego.
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I don't do marketing material for shows.
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I look at a bunch of news articles, some video clips.
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I go on air.
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I didn't do a marketing study with you for this.
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This is new to me.
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We talked for two minutes.
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We talked for two minutes before we went on air, right?
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Maybe two minutes, a minute, you know, a minute and a half.
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He walks in.
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Yeah.
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Uh, sits down.
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Get on there.
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Yeah.
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But no, no, no.
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This is new.
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Just give me the marketing material.
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Tell me about your plan with Alex.
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Tell me about the, the, the secret plans you guys had in this thing, all the marketing,
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all the Google analytics.
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Tell me about your meeting.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's, wait a minute.
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You don't, you're not going to give me the evidence.
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You're defaulted.
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This I, I'm just going to say, I'm, uh, personally a little bit blushing here.
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I don't, I don't even know about this legal procedure.
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I because they're not supposed to use it, but, but they're literally, so, so it's not
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even that you don't show up and you default.
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That's what it's supposed to be.
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If you're not participating in the process, according to the standards that they set,
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and they set a bar, you can't read judge, I'm going to, I'm going to go, I'm going to
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go back and learn to the heck about this because this is, that's a, I mean, if what you described
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is true, that is a real danger to the integrity of the judicial system.
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I'm going to, I'm going to go independently learn about this myself.
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Let me tell you what a danger to the integrity of this interview is entering an interview
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with Alex Jones, not knowing about what the, uh, the, like how his case even went.
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If you're interviewing Alex Jones and you don't know about a default, uh, like why that
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would happen, why that did happen, you're fucked.
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You have no business having this conversation.
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You're just going to let Alex steamroll you, which is what's happening.
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I as a matter of simple personal interest, you should, if you are talking to a man who
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has got the largest individual judgment in history against him, at the very least be
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interested in how it came about to have the largest judgment in history against that.
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If you're allowing this line of conversation to happen in your interview, you shouldn't
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be like, Oh my God, Alex, I can't believe this.
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What is that thing?
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That's a, that's a level of unpreparedness that is dangerous.
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Um, I mean like I just think about this, like, you know, um, Tom Metzger, the guy from like
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white area and resistance, you know, that guy, he was a big neo-Nazi white supremacist
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guy.
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He ran like one of the bigger, he's an awful dude.
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And he also, uh, was the subject of one of Louis Thoreau's, uh, weird weekend type things.
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He went and lived with that guy for a bit and it was nuts.
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But um, like what if people told Vivek not to talk to him?
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Like would he not look up this Nazi guy and what he did, like what level of unpreparedness
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is acceptable to Vivek?
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Let's like, is it just because Alex has a sizable platform and you think like, we could
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both score from this a little bit.
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We can both get a little bit of juice going.
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We can both get some of that attention that we desperately need.
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Is that really all that it takes to like go blind into an interview with a liar?
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I think it seems really reckless.
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I think it takes a certain amount of money and not having to worry about whether or not
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you are doing a good or bad job, period, ever.
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So Vivek and Alex talk more about his trial and like, it's all just the standard lies
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that we hear all the time and Vivek is just eating that shit up.
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So I'm going to skip past this a little bit.
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Thank you so much.
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So where we talk about the world, 1776 worldwide, baby, that kind of stuff.
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Same thing.
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I would call that 1776 worldwide.
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And that's not America controlling things.
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It's the idea of freedom, idea of the people, the idea of loving your nation, empowering
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the individual and a meritocracy where, because I mean, I looked at who used to be on-
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Meritocracy, what a word.
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Well, it's a bad word these days.
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Not for you.
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Look, and I look at World War II and almost all of our generals got there through meritocracy
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and grew up on little farms or in poor areas of cities.
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And there were, I mean, and there was almost nobody whose dad or granddad was an admiral
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who was there.
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In fact, it was almost discrimination against the aristocracy was what America was doing.
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Yeah, I've heard that one a lot.
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Washington was being discriminated against by the aristocracy.
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So many times.
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Poor one out for the aristocracy.
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Part of it, he was mad.
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That was one of the big reasons that even the quote elites of America fought the British
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elites because they were tired of saying, well, I'm actually your cousin, but I'm not
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a lord, so I can't ship products out of the colonies.
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And so if the rich guys want freedom and they finally set up for themselves, that will have
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to trickle down.
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And that's why they can point at America's beginning and say we weren't perfect.
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But it was the idea of the process.
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And as more people get into that, that's the victory.
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So now you look at who is the leaders of the military.
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They'll have some token people.
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Oh, look, a black guy, you know, a white lady or whatever.
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But that's what look, it's a bunch of blue bloods whose grandfathers were in control
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at the end of World War Two when America absorbed the British Empire and became this new globalist
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system.
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Interesting.
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I don't know what this is all based on.
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I mean, interesting things just being said, that is that is a series of things that didn't
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I don't even know how to fact check.
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Most generals in the olden days weren't nepo babies or whatever.
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I can't.
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I mean, that is one of the craziest things that I have ever heard, because I know for
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a fact it is the complete opposite.
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I would suspect a large part of it is the opposite.
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But the romantic version of Americana past would tell you the story of the grew up on
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a farm and became a general, you know, like, right.
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There is there is a great apple pie ass narrative.
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Sure, sure.
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That is there.
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But like and I'm sure that is the case for some folks.
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But like, I don't know what like, quantifiable thing Alex is talking about.
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Yeah, I mean, I can't I mean, I can't think of a single war that I have read or or know
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about that isn't like littered with commanding officers who are timid and stupid because
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they're rich who eventually get kicked out and then shit happens.
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That is the story of war with kids.
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What about Colonel Travis?
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Rich kids being stupid is the story of war.
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Like that is what you should think of.
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When you think of war, you should think of rich kids being idiots because their parents
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want more shit.
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No, they were all good, good farm boys who just made good.
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And nowadays it's all the blue blood, but then they have token minorities and what I
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mean, seriously, that is that is amazing.
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Yeah, but you know, Vivek is just going along with it.
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It's meritocracy.
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What a dirty word.
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Merits, oh my God.
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People who have no merit will not stop becoming successful and then telling me about how great
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the meritocracy is.
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Sure, sure.
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Alex has gotten where he is on his merits, not by being the tool of a gold salesman and
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having his dad get him a radio show.
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Anyway, Vivek waxes romantic here about 1776.
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And I would say- Why?
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I would say that it is notable that there is nobody named Ramaswami who signed the Declaration
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of Independence.
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Oh, yeah?
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Oh, why?
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I do think that is notable.
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Odd.
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The optimistic side- Well, I mean, they were with the British.
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Says that what a special time it would have been to be alive in the spring of 1776.
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I mean, it was a special time to be alive.
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You got Thomas Jefferson, the age of 33.
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People say I'm old, I'm young.
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I've lost 12 children.
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He was 33 when he wrote the Declaration of Independence.
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1776 sucks.
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You have people who are the pioneers, the explorers, the unafraid.
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I ate my friend.
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I said, you know what?
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We are going to not just be victimized by this.
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We're going to chart a new way forward.
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Well, 33 was old.
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That's the moment we live in.
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I totally agree.
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33 was old back then because a lot of people died young, either die young or live a really
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long time, but the average was we didn't live as long.
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You're absolutely right.
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People were married by 16.
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People were explorers by 16.
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And Thomas Jefferson lived a long time, but by 33, he was leading a revolution against
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an empire that had never been- An inventor, and he was inventing things.
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He was an engineer.
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He invented the swivel chair.
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Invented a bunch of other things, too, while he's writing the Declaration of Independence.
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That spirit, in some ways, would he, while history had produced the Thomas Jeffersons
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and the Alexander Hamiltons of the world, if it weren't for the fact that they had this
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oppressive regime to stand up against?
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I think probably not.
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No, I totally agree.
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You're talking about the- So this is an opportunity, the moment we
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live in.
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Because I am sick and tired even myself of, you may have, I don't know if you've read
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some of the books I've written or anything like this, of pointing out the problem.
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I've done plenty of that.
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I have.
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Oh yeah, sure you have.
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I'm sorry?
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Yeah, Alex has read- Did he just say he has read some of the
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vague Ramaswami's books?
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Of course, he's read them all.
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Top to bottom.
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Page one to page X.
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I just feel like a man who is either this stupid or this willing to look this stupid
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should be polling higher than 4%.
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I would suspect that maybe he could, but I don't think that's his goal.
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I do think that his goal is creating a media brand.
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Yeah, totally.
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No, obviously.
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I get this.
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You probably wouldn't do a Twitter show where you interviewed Papa John.
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No, he's got the, he's almost at the Casey Kasem voice level of radio voice.
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He does have a good voice.
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Yeah, he's got a great voice.
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Yeah.
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Be on the radio.
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And I do think that if you're not being critical thinking about what he's saying, there is
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something that does draw you in about this idea of being alive in 1776.
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Everyone is just invigorated by the oppression that they're living in.
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So stupid.
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It creates the opportunity to be such a brave, great person.
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You become historically important because of the terrible times that you're in.
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And I guess that that's probably why you would want to really over inflate your own oppression
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in order to create the perception that you will be historically remembered as a great
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man.
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Yeah.
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But I'm not sure if that's the case.
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Also, I think a lot of people were having a real, real bad time in 1776.
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I would say that the, boy, I feel like people, if they really thought about America's birth,
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you know, like you see those, those polls, it's like, people are worried.
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They're like, 25% of Americans think political violence is okay.
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How can we imagine that?
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And you're like, man, I don't know if you know shit about America.
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But I don't know what the political violence would have pulled that back then either.
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That's the idea.
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Right.
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You know, people don't necessarily want that, but there were a lot of rich people with a
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lot of money who could basically get what they wanted if they convinced people.
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Thomas Jefferson was not a rich guy.
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He invented the swivel chair.
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I'm going to throw this out there.
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I don't think these people would celebrate the same way if the slaves were to have killed
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Thomas Jefferson and overthrown them.
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No, certainly not.
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I don't think so.
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And yet somehow I feel like the slaves had a better argument than Thomas Jefferson did.
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Yeah.
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I think that there is a lot of various ways things could have gone differently in 1776
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that still follows a lot of the ideas of freedom that they would have been, these people would
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have very opposed to.
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Very, very against.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, as he's known to do, quotes a meme.
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You guys want to know why this has happened though?
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I mean, look, there's a meme.
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It's totally true.
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It shows that bad times make hard men, hard men make good times.
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Good times make weak men, weak men make bad times.
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It's a cycle.
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So a lot of it is our fault.
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We can't just blame the globalists and the aristocracy.
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Their rot.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Their rot is our rot.
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And so-
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That's what I'm talking about.
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There's so much entertainment, so much food.
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We've got to look in the mirror and ask ourselves, why is it that we bend the knee?
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Yeah, it's our fault.
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So I don't think that the past few decades have been particularly soft times for people
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who are in other segments of society than Alex.
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Yeah.
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Like as the LGBTQ community has been coasting, there's easy sailing since the seventies.
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Because they've had it so easy.
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You need to hear that quote that Alex rattles off and realize he's only thinking about this
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in terms of white men.
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Yeah.
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Things have gone too easy for white men, so they've gotten soft.
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That's what Alex is saying.
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Yes, that is exactly what he's saying.
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He's not talking about other people who've had decades of struggle.
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I mean, it is so wild that just because Alex can make these noises that sound like words,
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people will believe them.
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You know?
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And Vivek will say, thank you.
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Thank you.
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Finally.
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This is what I'm talking about.
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Somebody said noises that sound like the things that don't correspond to what those noises
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mean.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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So the problem is, we blame the globalists, but really we need to look in the mirror.
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We need to blame ourselves.
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Right.
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And we also need solutions.
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Yes.
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I mean, when the Israelites escape from the Pharaoh, they're lost in the desert.
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Leave this now, Vivek.
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Get to find the honest land.
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Go away.
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What did they say?
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We want to go back and be ruled by the Pharaoh.
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That's right.
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And so we can complain about the Pharaoh all we want.
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And it exists.
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You know, the global ESG movement.
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Modern stakeholder.
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But we have to build our own system.
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That's actually-
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What is it that makes us want to bend the knee?
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That's actually what this book, The Great Awakening, comes out next week.
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It's available on Infowars right now, pre-order.
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This is a really important book, Defeating the Globalists and Launching the Next Great
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Renaissance.
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I wasn't even going to bring the book up till you brought this up.
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This book is not just about how they're bad.
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That's half the book.
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The rest is solutions.
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So I'm really impressed with your work and research.
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I hope you'll read it.
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Want to take a copy?
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Please, sir.
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It's for me.
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Take a couple for your crew as well.
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So-
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Absolutely.
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I'm going to-
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Unreal.
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You're totally nailing it.
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Unreal.
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And I'm going to watch and listen to you.
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That's how I was able to steal your thunder and say you're absolutely affected.
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I'm going to write this book.
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And me hearing you, we've got to talk about solutions.
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And I was already on that kick, but you're right.
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I was like, I got to write a book about solutions.
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Yeah, man.
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You influence this book, kind of.
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I have never felt so insulted by compliments.
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On someone else's behalf.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, I'm furious on Vivek's behalf.
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Now here's the flip side.
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Vivek may actually have inspired the book a little bit, but that's because Alex didn't
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write it.
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That is a good point.
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Someone else wrote it.
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Who might actually like Vivek.
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Why do we bend the knee?
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Why do you ask?
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It couldn't possibly be because of food and violence and how rich people control both.
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No, certainly not.
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Weird.
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Yeah.
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We need solutions.
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Thank God I have a book.
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Oh, my God.
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Oh, my God.
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I haven't read a book with a fucking solution in it for 20 years.
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Well, I've got just the book for you.
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Yeah, I know.
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I'm excited.
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It's called Alex's Dumb Shit.
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Oh, man.
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I'm not looking forward to that book.
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No, I believe you.
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Spoiler alert, I've been working on my book length analysis of Alex's other book, and
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if past is prelude, that second one's going to suck so much.
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Anyway, Alex doesn't hate gay people, which is a strange thing for this direction of this
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to go, but apparently he doesn't.
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If the left is feeding us race, gender, or sexuality climate, how about reviving the
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individual?
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Yes.
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How about the family?
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Yes.
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Nation?
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This is the first I've heard of these topics.
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I'm not a global citizen.
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From you?
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I'm a citizen of this nation, the United States of America, and I'm proud of it.
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I'm not going to apologize for it.
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And by the way, God, I think, plays a big role in this, too.
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I think the revival of faith is something that can unite us.
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I totally agree with this.
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Tell me more about God.
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And again, I'm not against gay people.
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Tell me all about God.
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Rainbow flag stuff, but it's the new flag.
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They're even talking about getting rid of the American flag.
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True.
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They're not trying to take George Washington's statue down in New York.
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They're now doing all of this, and this is all unfolding, and we're having our symbols
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that recognize who we are and what we stand for away from us and giving us a new one that
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is a government, corporate-directed sex cult.
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I don't care if it was a heterosexual cult showing me their flag and taking down our
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flag and telling my kids about it.
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Do you mean you would prefer that?
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I mean, if it was some new flag about NASCAR, I'm not against NASCAR, but it was NASCAR
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stuff everywhere.
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Them telling my kids, pledge allegiance to NASCAR, I'd say, this is a NASCAR cult.
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Get it out of here.
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Is there something inherently sexual about NASCAR?
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I am really creeped out by all of this.
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It's a very strange jump, but yeah, apparently rainbow flags are the mark of a sex cult that
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is controlled and operated and all that by the government.
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So that's fun.
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Alex doesn't hate gay people, though.
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I find it so strange whenever people make points and then refuse to, like, they go forward
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and then refuse to go backward to, where it's like, okay, well, if I think it's silly to
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pledge allegiance to NASCAR, it might be silly to pledge allegiance to anybody.
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No, not if it's our country.
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Wait, no, but see, our country is essentially NASCAR.
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There's no different, they're all imaginary.
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They're all in your head, man.
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There's no difference.
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Pledging allegiance to this is simply giving up your agency.
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Now here's where things get interesting.
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Yeah.
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So basically, pledging allegiance is doing the opposite of this individualism.
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It's idolatry.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But here's the thing, like, I think we run into a really fundamental problem with Alex's
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thought process that maybe we don't unpack enough.
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And that is, it is somewhat in our head, the concept of country in the same way that NASCAR
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is in our head or whatever.
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Pledging allegiance to a NASCAR flag doesn't really...
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Yeah, these are all fictional things.
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But for Alex, I don't think it is.
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I think that he actually does believe that there is something intrinsic and objective
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in its reality about the country because of his belief that it's divinely inspired and
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all that.
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That's a really interesting question.
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Or, I mean, a really interesting point is like, even if I pledge allegiance, even if
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I say I pledge allegiance to the flag, I don't really, I don't fucking care.
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And there's no rule that makes me.
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But for Alex, I do, you're right.
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There may be like the idea of a cosmic, if you say these words, they do mean something.
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Yeah.
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And the notion of the flag as a proxy of the country is like something holy and real.
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It does not exist subjectively for you or intersubjectively as a concept that we share
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in our brains.
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It is just fully objective for him.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's probably also why I can never understand people like that, is that concept
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of like, you know, none of this is real, right?
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And it's something that isn't really unpacked at all by Alex because I don't think he's
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even aware that other people don't engage the same way.
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Which is so weird because those are like almost entirely that kind of like paper money is
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just paper, man.
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It's all just numbers on a screen.
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Like those are the same conversations about how he wants the gold standard and shit like
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that.
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Right.
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Because the money is imaginary.
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It's all imaginary, dude.
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It's so funny though, too, like I've been thinking about this because he's so worried
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about like digital money and stuff, like central bank digital currencies and stuff.
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And it's like, okay, so now you're defending paper money.
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This is the same thing.
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Totally.
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It's all over again.
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I just don't want anything to change while I'm still alive.
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You've shifted this entire thing.
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Like paper money was evil when you wanted gold everywhere and all of this.
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And now it's, I just don't want ones and zeros.
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Fine.
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Anyway.
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Disgusting.
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So LGBTQ flag and all this, it's a sex cult.
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Sure.
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But he doesn't have any problem.
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No.
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And Vivek doesn't understand cults.
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And what it is, a cult is interesting.
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It's an interesting use of the word.
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So a cult is a religion that has not withstood the test of time.
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Okay.
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Who are you?
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There's an old saying actually.
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Are you insane?
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It came from Blaise Pascal.
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He was a scientist of all things, but he said, if there's a hole the size of God in your
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heart and God does not fill it, something else will instead.
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Exactly.
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And my civic version of that, they kick God out and now something, some other poison fills
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the void.
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The demon is filling it.
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And so my version of that in a civic sense is if we don't pledge allegiance to the American
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flag or to a true flag of our nation, we're going to pledge allegiance to a different
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flag instead.
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Why?
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I have no idea why.
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Yeah.
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That makes no sense.
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Yeah.
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I don't think, I don't think that's true.
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If Jake thinks that the only difference between a religion and a cult is longevity, he's revealing
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a very negative perspective on religion.
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Yeah.
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I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that one around, I guess all of Christianity.
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Alex should take great offense at that.
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How can you possibly say that and not be like, Oh, so you mean Christianity was just a cult?
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Right.
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And like it also reveals a real shallow grasp on like what a cult is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No.
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Cult tactics, cult behaviors.
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The revelations of depth here?
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Not many.
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No, no, no.
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So Alex, they get to talk in, you know, about climate change.
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Oh God.
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And now, so here's something that's interesting about Vivek and by that I mean, not very interesting.
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He thinks that anybody who believes in climate change, it's disqualifying for you to be able
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to lead in the country.
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Boy, if that's, if that's one of them, then I think I get to add a bunch more too.
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And all of them apply to Vivek.
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I mean, there's a lot of, there's a, there's a lot of list of things that should be disqualifying.
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One, having a unprepared interview with Alex.
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Really seems like that's right out the gate.
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Yeah.
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Seeing the moment he said, hi Alex, welcome to my show and didn't say goodbye, you know.
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Or here is my big stack of paper that I've prepared, rebuttals to all your standard ass
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talking points and your lies.
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Yeah.
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That would be the, the like to catch a predator of interviews for Alex.
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Yeah.
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So here they get into talking, Alex reveals his position, which we've heard him say before,
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which is that we need to burn more fossil fuels.
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Sure.
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And this is just ridiculous.
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I'm not a petroleum geologist, I have family that is, they told me this 30 years ago, it's
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not coming from dead whales and dead dinosaurs.
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They now have the devices and systems and they keep finding oil deeper and deeper and
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deeper and deeper, 50, 60,000 feet all the way down to the mantle through the crust.
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And they're hitting oil and gas deposits that are so big, they don't have pipes that can
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contain what's coming up.
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And what it is, is if they, if you look at Mars, scientists now believe that it wants
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that atmosphere, but it's, this is a short, short science lesson, but it once had an atmosphere,
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but it's gravity wasn't big enough to hold the atmosphere and had water in the surface
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of the moon.
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That's been confirmed.
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India confirmed that what our folks confirmed back in the sixties.
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So that's going on.
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So there's actually giant reserves and they're saying these gases are bad.
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The earth used to have way higher concentrations of methane, carbon dioxide, oxygen, all these
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things, but it's off gas into space and it has retreated underground.
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So if you look at millions of years ago, the gases have retreated now, what, what carbon
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dioxide, you know, zero point, whatever for, I mean, it's a fraction of a percent and things
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used to be healthier.
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Plants can take 10 times carbon dioxide.
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They grow faster, need less water.
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We need this.
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So it's really a magic moment about God existing that right as the earth starts to slowly lose
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its atmosphere and it would probably still be a few million years.
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We come along and are digging all this up and terraforming, geoengineering, putting
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it back up.
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It's good folks.
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They want to ban cows cause they podcast methane and so do you.
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Methane helps hold heat in.
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We're, we're due for another ice age, a 12,000 year cycle.
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You know what's funny Alex?
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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You might know this, but if you go to the Newsweek cover magazine or Time magazine in
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the 1970s.
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Freezing.
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Global ice age.
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That's what they were saying.
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And if you don't abandon our modern way of life for that, for in a different direction,
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we're going to have a global ice age.
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More people are going to die this year of eight times as many people actually this year
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are going to die of cold temperatures rather than warm ones.
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Absolutely.
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Well, so these are facts you don't hear in the ordinary climate discourse.
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And they also lie.
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They also lie.
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They say the hottest time ever Death Valley.
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No, it's 134.
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It did 131 this year.
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They said Texas, hottest ever, longest spell.
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And then I went back and looked at the books because I remember playing football in like
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1990.
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They had to cancel two a days because it was 112 and people were dying all over the city
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of Dallas where I lived.
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And it was also in Austin.
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So, so, but I looked up the records.
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They're just lying.
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Yeah.
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We talked about Alex's faulty memories about heat when he was a kid already in the past.
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So I'm not going to get back into that, but he's just wrong.
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I don't want to suddenly have to go back through the fucking poor Richard's Almanac all over
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again.
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Yeah.
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That said, the idea about the predictions of an ice age in the seventies, that's really
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interesting.
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This is a talking point thrown out by climate change deniers meant to invalidate the points
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being made today.
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Yeah.
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They say it was going to be an ice age, but now it's all warming.
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In reality, a paper published in 2008 in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society
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looked at the published science from the seventies and found that only 10 percent of the papers
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published back then were suggesting a cooling trend compared to 62 percent that predicted
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warming.
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Yeah.
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Folks like Alex and Vivek have created this image of a false consensus existing in the
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past because it helps them score points for their fraudulent arguments in the present.
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It's all a facade and a lie.
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But more to the point, you got swung.
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He swung you.
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I appreciate, here's what I appreciate about this argument.
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You know, a few million years ago, you know, there's a lot more carbon and stuff going
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on.
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You know, during the Cretaceous period, everything was so much carbon because all that stuff
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was above it.
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And it's like, yes, man, you understand, other stuff was alive then.
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Yeah, man.
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Yeah.
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We would not be alive then.
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That's true.
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That is our conversation.
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But think about how great the plants had it.
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If that is the conversation you want to have, it's like, hey, listen, maybe we've had our
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run.
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Let's ride it out and let something else run the earth for a long time.
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I guess that is your argument, but don't tell me that the science is wrong or whatever.
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Well, it is interesting that you have this, you know, this presentation of like, we can't
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make drastic changes to reduce carbon emissions because that'll hurt more people.
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It's too drastic and it's a real severe change that we're going to need to make.
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When he's saying like, hey, we would be fine in the Cretaceous period, the drastic changes
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we would need to be able to survive in that environment are much larger than those that
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would be needed to, you know, focus more on renewable energy, you phase out fossil fuels
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and whatever.
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Yeah.
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Like think about it this way, Alex.
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All right.
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Like 200 million years ago in this high carbon time, right?
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You're ostrich, 60 feet tall.
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Right.
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It's a dinosaur, man.
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Run around eating everybody up, right?
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Then the climate changes, dinosaur, now it's a fucking ostrich.
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Do you see how this works, buddy?
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Well, Alex wants to be taller.
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Well, I guess that's the way to do it.
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More cows, more carbon, that'll make you taller, I think.
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Yeah.
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But I think when you have the argument that it's like, no, no, no, we need to burn more
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fossil fuels in order to geo-engineer the planet in a way that God intended by leaving
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behind all of this oil and all of this stuff that has retreated under the surface.
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When you have that argument, it's like you can't really, there's no discussion.
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Oh, no.
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I mean, yeah.
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Really.
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Once your argument is like, man, isn't God absolutely fucking insane?
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Then you're like, I guess if you believe- This is no longer a science and policy conversation.
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No, no, no.
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This is a fantasy world.
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I worship Loki who introduces chaos into every system and so in order for me to continue,
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I think we have to increase the amount of carbon.
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Well, that's an interesting point.
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I'd like you to stay away from any levers of power and shut up.
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Yeah, yeah, no, Brata-Tusker.
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So, Vivek, running for president, but obviously there's a problem and that is that Trump is
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running for president.
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That is an issue.
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Now, Alex discusses a circumstance wherein he might support Vivek.
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I'm interested to hear.
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It goes bad.
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Yeah.
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I am really glad you are the most successful person on injecting these topics because I
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see you inject topics at the national level that would have never been there, that are
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so vital and so, I mean, I-
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Topics like how do you pronounce Vivek?
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I mean, I'd like him to get elected, but if not you, I think Kennedy is going to pull
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more from the Republicans if he runs independent, which he is.
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So I like a lot of his ideas, but I think it's destructive now.
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I'm not going to support Kennedy as a third party candidate because that'll pull from
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the Republicans.
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So, again, I hope nothing happens to Trump, but if something does happen-
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Oh, God forbid.
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Yeah, we don't want that.
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I think-
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What?
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What?
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What we want is to advance the interests of this country.
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I hate you.
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So basically Alex is like, if Trump gets killed, you're in, man.
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Yeah, I mean, that's basically, hey, look, if something happens to Trump, like he dies
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or is murdered, then-
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I got your back then.
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Listen, how about this?
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If you and I were the last people on earth, I would vote for me.
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But if something happened to me, I would vote for you.
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I promise.
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Yeah.
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Cool, man.
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I guarantee.
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Yeah.
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Me as a white nationalist, I'm going to get into that booth.
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I'm going to be by myself with nobody watching and I'm going to think the vague sounds like
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a name that's good for me.
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Now, the argument of not supporting RFK Jr. because he pulls support from the GOP-
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Tip of the spear.
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But that shouldn't be what Alex-
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Absolutely not.
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That shouldn't be the way that he orients his politics at all.
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Absolutely not.
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That is pathetic partisan hackery on his part.
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It's completely counter to his brand.
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Everything that he's ever said is demolished by the, like, hey, listen, we need to pick
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the lesser of two evils and toe the party line, even though we don't necessarily like
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everything and it's not perfect.
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Now, okay, sure.
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Maybe DeSantis will be the candidate and I don't really like him all that much anymore
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because he's fallen out of grace at the extreme right wing, but you know, he's going to be
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the GOP candidate.
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I can't support RFK Jr. because he's going to pull votes away from the GOP and I really
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actually just want the GOP to stay in power.
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Yep.
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Cool, man.
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Great.
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Well, then just say that.
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Just say that.
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So anyway, here's where they sign off.
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Very pleasant.
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Okay.
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I'm glad we met, man.
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We met literally one or two minutes.
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We chatted before we just, this is the first conversation we've ever had.
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Well, I'm impressed.
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I mean, you're showing up here like 6 45 in the morning, we're typing this and I hear
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you're off to the border.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to the border and then I'm going to New Hampshire.
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I mean, we're all over the place, but I'm, I'm around the clock.
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So, well, you're a busy man.
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They're pulling me out of here actually.
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All right.
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Well, thank you.
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Hey, remember, I'm going to Eagle Pass from here.
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I'm in internet prison, so info wars.com, uh, band out video has all our band videos,
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band out video of the book, uh, the great awakening.
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I hope you'll read it.
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I hope you'll come on my show soon and tell me what you thought.
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I'm a big fan of your work.
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Thank you, man.
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Good luck.
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It's good to meet you.
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God bless you, man.
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Be safe.
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Thank you.
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Uh, also don't go to band out video and search your name.
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You're going to find a rumpa swampy videos and shit.
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Well, I mean, maybe, well, that's right.
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They, he, he, he, they do still tag his real name in there.
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Yeah.
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It might be, I mean, it'd be more fun if he searched his name and he could not find anything
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right because he was all rumpa swampy.
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No, I mean, beyond that, there is also just videos.
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There are a couple, uh, people who seem to have pretty positive views of him, like Jason
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Burmas.
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Uh, certainly he seems to be pretty vague, uh, positive.
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Sure.
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Yeah, dumb attracts dumb.
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But then you also get, if you click on any of those videos, you'll see the comments and
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the comments aren't good.
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People don't, uh, band video users don't seem to have such a hot view of a vague.
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It is, it is always it and, and it is always, and it is never surprising whenever anybody
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non white male in that space is like, man, I sure get abused a lot.
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You're like, boy, I don't know what to tell you.
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Well, I mean, it has a lot of the same vibe of like Owen being like, I can't believe that
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they're hanging me out to dry just cause I'm going to jail for two months.
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What did you expect?
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What are, what have you not, I know you're supposed to be, you're telling me to pay attention.
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Have you not looked around you?
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Yeah, no, no, of course not.
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Um, so this interview, uh, I found to be, uh, largely, uh, interesting just based on
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the dynamic of it.
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I think, I think that there is, um, no real truth gotten to, no, I think that based on
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everything I know about the vague, if he did look into Alex, I think he'd still like him.
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Like I think that they have very similar ideas about like, you know, things like climate
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change, LGBTQ, uh, bashing.
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Yeah.
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Um, there's a lot of those issues that they have common ground on now.
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What extent Vivek would want to be associated with Alex talking about literal demons and
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all that stuff.
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That's an open question.
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I'm not sure.
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I think that if he actually watched Alex's show and wanted to ask him questions about
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like what the fuck is this about your prophetic visions and stuff like that, that would be
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the interesting interview I'd like to see because I do think they agree on a lot of
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policy stuff, but the clownery, I'm not sure that, uh, that Vivek would want to, he like,
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I think he wants to be taken seriously.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And that's funny because he interviewed Papa John.
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I also agree with that too.
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Anyway, just a disaster of a poorly thought out, poorly conceived, poorly executed interview.
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Yeah, man, just, just do your homework.
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If you're going to do a homework show, do your homework.
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But here's the problem.
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You can't do this interview if you've done your homework.
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Well, that's it.
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You can't justify doing it if you look into things.
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You have to have the plausible deniability of, I did no preparation for this in order
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to talk to Alex.
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If you prepare at all, you have to have a confrontational interview with him.
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And so that's, that's all, that's the other part, which is not an interview.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And Alex probably wouldn't show up for it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it would, it would either be and run away or turn into him with Andrew Neil on
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the BBC.
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It'd be no point.
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Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back with another episode.
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Maybe we'll talk about a Fuentes.
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Maybe not.
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But we'll see.
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Until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I never think about what the bit I should do is going to be until exactly when I say
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DZX Clark.
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Yeah.
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And that's a problem because I got nothing.
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I mean, especially in a show where we criticize people for preparation.
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This is a minor kind of preparation thing.
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Structurally, I don't think that this condemns any of our work.
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Well, actually, this is part of the bit now.
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It's unfortunately part of the bit.
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It does seem so.
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There's a meta bit that's going on as we're talking.
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It still happens.
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Oh my God.
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We've got to end it.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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