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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan! We're a couple dudes.
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We like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan. Jordan.
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Dan! Jordan! I have a quick question for you. What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy? I guess, you know what?
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This isn't so much... I don't know if this is a bright spot.
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Or whatever. But we had a tornado warning.
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We did. Yesterday, as we're recording this.
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Yeah.
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And, I mean, it was a little exciting.
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You know, it kind of broke up the day a little bit.
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It was the second tornado warning I think I've heard in Chicago.
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No, more than that. Really?
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Yeah. Well, do you mean like in the last year?
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No, no, no. I mean, like, warning.
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Not like the watch thing.
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I can think of three times in the last, like, two years that I've gone down to the laundry room.
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Really?
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Yeah. Because of sirens.
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Holy cow.
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And I know that in the years living in Chicago before that, that it never happened.
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None. Zero. Zero times.
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It is very much happening more that tornadoes are spotted near the city area.
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I don't know. I mean, I don't think it's a bright spot because, you know, tornadoes are really devastating.
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And when they hit, they hurt a lot of people and I don't want to celebrate that.
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But there is something that kind of takes me back to when I was a kid and we'd go down to the basement.
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And, you know, there'd be like, it almost felt like we were hiding out and there were snacks in the basement.
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It was kind of like, I don't know, there's something...
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Candles because the power might go off. Yeah, the whole thing.
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There's something, a crank radio.
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Oh, man. The old times.
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There's something that's kind of, it harkens to a more innocent time, an easier time.
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And I don't know why that's evoked by a tornado warning, but it kind of is.
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I think that this is something that a lot of Midwestern people who grow up in like rural Midwest really share because tornadoes were so much more frequent.
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And like a much more present threat.
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Yeah, totally.
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Like the odds of it hitting, the memories of one hitting, you know, that, yeah.
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Yeah. And at the same time, there was an element of like, I'm used to the tornadoes going off.
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And so there was much more comfort in being like, well, let's take a look at that tornado before we go down to the basement, you know?
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Let's step outside. Holy shit. And then you go right back into the basement.
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Yeah. And maybe I've talked about this a little bit before in the past, but it also is something that like is a fear that I overcame.
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Like growing up in places like Hawaii, like there weren't thunderstorms there really.
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Right.
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And tornadoes and stuff. So like when I moved to Missouri, it was something that I was preoccupied with killing me.
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Yeah.
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Like I was sure that we were moving to tornado alley.
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Like you knew in advance before you moved.
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Oh shit.
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Yeah. I don't know. I'd read some book or something like that.
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Right.
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And it terrified me.
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Fucking books.
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Like one of the first days we were in Missouri, you know, terrible thunderstorm. And I was, you know, horrified.
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Yeah.
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And then over the course of it, realizing, you know, like you can go to the basement. There are things that you can do that can make you more safe.
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I think it's one of the fears that I've been able to overcome.
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Yeah.
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And it fucking drives me nuts to see like nobody does anything in Chicago.
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No. No, no, no, no.
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No one cares at all.
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No. We're going to die.
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There's a tornado warning and people are just like, I don't know.
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What are you going to do? We're in buildings everywhere. Something's going to fall on you. A basement's not going to save you.
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Yes, but it will be significantly better if a tornado hits and you're in a basement.
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Sure.
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Than if you're on the third, fourth, fifth floor of something.
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Sure.
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And there's a laundry room. Everybody could go down there. I was the only person in the laundry room.
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Here's the thing though.
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I'm poking my head out. I'm seeing just people walking their dog like, what the fuck is going on? There's a tornado warning.
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I have way more fear of being trapped in a basement underneath rubble than I do of being hit by a tornado.
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Azar, that's not what's going to happen to you.
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No, of course. Well, Azar, you're not going to get hit by a tornado.
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But if you do, you'd be so thankful to be trapped under some rubble.
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Oh, man. To die of thirst after two days because people didn't look for you, man.
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That's not what's going to happen if you're in the basement.
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Meanwhile, if you're on the top floor, you're going to be...
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Wee!
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Yeah, exactly. You're going to Oz, my man.
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I mean, if there's anything I know about tornadoes, it's that they all take you to Oz.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, I don't know. It was just a little bit exciting.
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Yeah.
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Broke up the day a little bit.
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Did you see any of the photos of this guy?
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I did. I did. But some of them appeared to be a little bit doctored.
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They had to have been.
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At least the sort of exposure of it or something is to make it pop a little more.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, but some of those pictures are pretty crazy.
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Oh, man. It looks like a 30,000-foot wave coming over the sky to hit Chicago.
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Oh, man. It's beautiful.
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You know, during the day, you're thinking, too, like,
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all right, what they're talking about is a tornado that is heading towards the loop.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And just the prospect of a tornado, we know what that does.
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Yep.
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Like hitting downtown Chicago would be insane.
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The concept, like, the damage would be, I mean, incalculable.
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I think one of the things that would make it a little bit less bad is that
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the buildings wouldn't allow the churning, like, the cyclic air to, like, go as far.
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I think that there's some element to that. Don't hold me to that. I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But anyway, what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is twofold. One, first most obvious bright spot, yoga.
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Yoga, I'm going back to yoga. We stopped going to yoga when my wife went back to school.
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And then when we went back to yoga, my knee buckled so hard that I couldn't even do it for a while.
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And now my knee finally feels good enough, we're going back to yoga.
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I have a question for you.
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What's that?
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Like, inquiring minds want to know about this suspicious timing that Street Fighter VI just came out,
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and now you're going back to yoga.
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People are saying the streets are talking that you think that you're going to learn to shoot a fireball out of your mouth.
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Well, okay. Now, Dhalsim is not my specific teacher, but I do go to his school.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I mean, you know.
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Well, that's fun. I have some thoughts of maybe exploring some.
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I could use a little more flexibility in my life. I'm a bit wooden.
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I mean, I wish it weren't effective, but it helps. It's good, yeah.
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I imagine it helps undo a little bit of the tennis soreness and what have you, so it's a good dual thing.
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Yeah, and then my second bright spot is that when you are listening to this, tickets probably have been on sale.
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Well, here's the thing. I realized after the fact that when we said we're going to Scotland at Glasgow,
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we didn't say any other details. We didn't even say the day of the show.
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So maybe you can fill people in on all of the relevant details.
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Probably a smart move. So the show is on September 20th.
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It's at Webster's Theatre, which is like a repurposed church, which will be interesting.
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That sounds fun.
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And then the tickets go on sale at 9 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time.
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Okay.
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Can you lay that out for time zones, my man?
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Greenwich Mean Time is five hours ahead of Central Time.
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If you know any other times, I mean, if you're in between there or past there.
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I feel like you are the antithesis of Alex, where he lays out 18 time zones whenever he's saying something.
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Nope, I know two. I know Central.
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I feel like Greenwich Mean is probably the most relevant time zone to folks who may be coming.
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I mean, to the world, right?
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I guess.
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I don't know. Probably not.
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So that's exciting.
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Yeah, it's going to be very exciting.
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Tickets on sale.
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Tickets are on sale.
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Yeah.
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That'll be cool.
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Ooh, man. Man, oh, man.
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You're going to get murdered.
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What are you talking about?
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I swear to you. I swear to you.
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I feel like Glasgow and I are going to mesh too well.
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I'm not coming back.
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Until you keep calling them Brits and somebody takes you out.
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I mean, if you want to not be Brits, you had a chance.
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I'm not engaging with this at all.
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I'm just saying, you had a chance.
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Okay, Jordan.
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Two.
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I'm going to die.
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Two.
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Two chances.
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So that's exciting.
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Yeah, it's very exciting.
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I can't wait.
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But for now, we have a show to do.
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Yes, we do.
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So today, we're going to be in the past.
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We're going to be talking about something in 2004.
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We're going to be talking about March 5th, 2004.
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All right.
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For a bad episode.
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Another bad past episode?
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It's bad in a different way.
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Okay, well, I mean, that's better than, I guess, pure brutal racism.
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It's repetitively bad.
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Okay.
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But still really bad.
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Okay.
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Man, bad stuff.
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Oh, boy.
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A lot of bad reading material I had to do in advance of this episode.
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So we'll get down to business on-
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Books again.
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What?
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Books again.
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Well, one book.
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Less books, more newsletters.
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Fair enough.
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And we'll get down to business on all that.
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But first, Jordan, let's say hello to some new walks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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Aunty, Aunty, Aunty, Aunty, Aunty.
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I'm going to go with Aunty.
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That would be an I.
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See, there's a J there.
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Aunty or Aunty?
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Aunty.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you so much.
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Next, the Iron Islands built an Amanda in two days.
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Trust me, it does not hold up.
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Sincerely, Charlotte.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy.
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Thank you very much.
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You built an Amanda.
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It's an Armada.
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Again, cold reading.
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Thank you very much, Armada.
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Next, Fisher, the Swamp Fang.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Next, Hey Baby Girl, let me go, Daddy Shark on that ass,
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bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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That's specified in your best Alex Jones impression, please.
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And that's all I got.
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I almost took it out of there just to see if you could get there on your own.
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Maybe.
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And globalists made me shatter my tibia in Austria.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to my deadbeat dad.
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Listen to Alex in the early 2000s.
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And all I got was this shout out on Knowledge Fight and Therapy.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.
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George R. Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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Now you know what's a fun thing to think about?
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What?
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There is a chance that this person's deadbeat dad listened to this episode with them.
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That would be interesting.
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This is a 2004 episode.
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This could have been what sent them to therapy.
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Holy shit.
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Yeah.
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Imagine if it's this specific episode and they're like, I, I'm reliving a nightmare.
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Well, I hope it's cathartic and I hope we help you get through it.
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Either that or maybe they're experiencing like a river runs through it kind of a breakthrough
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emotional experience with their father.
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Well, or I would worry that this person is going to think that reality is ordered around them.
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That is, that is a concern.
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Yeah.
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That might lead to some kind of psychosis.
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We can't prove it's not though.
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So, uh, we start here and Alex announces who is going to be a guest on the show and immediately
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it's a problem.
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Coming up in the second hour, we have Tex Mars coming on the show and I've known Tex
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Mars for a long time.
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I've seen his, what you could call evolution of thinking.
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He was an air force officer, professor of space and aeronautics, wrote military handbooks
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and textbooks and books, best selling books on robots, you know, back in the eighties.
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Then he found out about the new world order and the occultism and has really studied what's
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at the heart of it, the Satanism.
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And then even if you don't believe in Satanism, the globalists do, this is what they're into
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and they control the Catholics, the Protestants, the Jews.
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I mean, every major group and organization is controlled by this global satanic cult.
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I'm certain that we've talked a little bit about Tex Mars in the past, but I thought
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this might be a good time to chat a little bit more about him and how what Alex just
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said is a damning indictment of Alex Jones and Infowars and their entire pretend charade
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about the globalists.
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The thing that's particularly important to point out is that Alex is saying that he's
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witnessed Tex's evolution of thought because this indicates an intimate understanding of
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what Tex believes.
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And keep in mind, these two are good friends.
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Alex has said on multiple occasions that that's the church he goes to when he goes to church.
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Tex performed Alex's first wedding, so they know each other well.
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That would suggest so, yes.
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But his understanding of Tex and what his belief system is isn't a surface-level thing.
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He understands Tex's conclusions, he understands how he's arrived at them, and he endorses
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spreading them to the Infowars audience.
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Right.
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The reason this is a problem is that Tex Mars doesn't believe that a satanic cult has infiltrated
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the Christians and Jews and everyone else.
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He believes that the Jews are that satanic cult, and if Alex knows anything about Tex,
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as he's presenting he does, he has to know this.
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There's just no way around it because Tex is really upfront about this stuff.
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Case in point, he wrote a book called Holy Serpent of the Jews, which has this tagline
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on the cover.
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Quote, the rabbis' secret plan for Satan to crush their enemies and vault the Jews to
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global dominion.
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This is the first line from the introduction of that book.
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Quote, Satan has a plan for a one-world religion and a one-world government.
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This religion will be led by his chosen people, the Jews.
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The holy serpent, the beast whom the rabbis adore as messiah will rise up out of the abyss.
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He will anoint the Jews as God and destroy their hated adversaries, the Christians.
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He goes on to say, quote, frankly, I find that Judaism is a repugnant and loathsome religion.
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Judaism is a phallic sex cult based on self-worship by Jews and on the adoration of none other
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than the serpent.
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Yes, that's right, the God and messiah for the Jews is Satan.
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Later in that text, he legitimately says, quote, wherever they exist, the Jews' devilish
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religion, toxin-producing culture, and hatred of other races and nationalities drives them
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to act as destroyers.
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Please take my word for it that there's a whole lot more horrible, blatant anti-Semitic
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shit where all this came from, and in much of Tex Mars' work.
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Here's where we need to loop back around to Alex's declaration that he's witnessed
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Mars' evolution in thought over the years.
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In that book, Holy Serpent of the Jews, Tex discusses his path through life.
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Alex mentions his military service being at the beginning of this path, and here's the
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way that Tex discusses that in his book.
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He was in the military until 1982, and then in 1987 he published his first big nonsense
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book, Dark Secrets of the New Age.
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He says, quote, I became celebrated in Christendom for these titles, and was eventually recognized
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as possibly the world's foremost authority on cults and satanic religions.
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Editorial note, no he wasn't.
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Still, I was not in the least conversant about Judaism, the real Judaism.
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In Tex's own words, the evolution of his thinking past 1987 had to do with him reading
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about the Kabbalah and the Talmud, and descending on a path that led him to the revelation that
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the Jews were behind a satanic push to create the New World Order.
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This is the evolution of Tex's thinking.
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There's nothing else that Alex could possibly be pointing to that makes any sense.
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It's worth pointing out, just in the name of total fairness, that Tex got a lot more
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explicit in his later years, and 2004 is prior to the publication of The Holy Serpent of
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the Jews and some of his worst stuff, but it would be absurd to pretend that he wasn't
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on this page by this point in time here in 2004.
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Later on, he's substantially more hostile in the way that he speaks, but as early as
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2002, I can find his newsletter publishing long screeds Tex wrote about how the Jews
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are behind the New World Order, but at least at this point he was trying to softplay the
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whole thing, and he says, quote,
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Yes, I do forgive the Jews.
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The Jews live and work in unbelief, having for so long been taught lies about Christians
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and about Christianity by their rabbis and leaders.
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This is both tragic and poignant, for by rejecting Christ, the Jews are embracing the evil one
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who opposes Christ.
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Satan is no doubt thrilled over the prospect of bringing so many Jews down to hell for
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eternity, but as for me, I am saddened.
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My heart aches.
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At this point, Tex has the perspective you might sum up as the Jewish leaders are the
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ones who are behind the New World Order, but not to every Jewish person in the world is
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in on that conspiracy.
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He would later espouse that all Jewish people were in on the conspiracy, but at this point,
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you know, this is where he's at.
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In this very newsletter titled, quote,
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My heart aches for the Jews, Tex opens with this, quote,
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What a tremendous spiritual struggle I've undergone in the past six months.
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As I studied and researched the scriptures and burned the midnight oil preparing my two
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latest videos, often my heart would almost reach a breaking point, how my heart aches
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for the Jews.
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This is identifiable as the point where Tex's views went from coded antisemitic shit couched
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as New World Order conspiracy theories and things like promoting the protocols of the
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Elders of Zion into direct and overt antisemitism.
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If you look through a number of his newsletters, you get the sense that this year in about
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2002 is about where things take a hard shift.
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But Tex is only dipping his toes into the pool.
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He's not diving straight into that shitty water that he'd eventually swim in.
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By 2003, Tex was preaching about how the, quote,
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Jewish neo-cons were, quote,
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Covert enemies of the United States of America.
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In one of his sermons from August 30th, 2003,
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Tex even said that Bush's actions in the war in Iraq were dictated according to what his
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Jewish controllers told him to do.
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Quote,
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Even Saddam's two sons, Kude and Usse, were isolated and slaughtered according to Jewish
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ritual.
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We can be sure that the all-seeing eye of the Jewish Illuminati carefully watches over
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the White House and President George W. Bush.
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He was making an argument that, like, different days were chosen to do different things because
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of Jewish ritual traditions and stuff.
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Sure.
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So what he would prefer is that they slaughtered them in a Christian ritual?
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I guess.
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Okay.
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So my point here is this.
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Tex Mars definitely did have an evolution.
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And it's one that he's completed by March 2004 when he's on this episode with Alex.
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Right.
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He's a completely devoted anti-Semite who believes that the Jews are behind the New
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World Order and the push for a one-world government.
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It isn't this charade that Alex likes to hide behind about how the globalists infiltrate
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all groups equally and Jewish people are just one of those groups.
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That may be how Alex wants to present his brand, but that's not what Tex believes.
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And based on Alex's words, he has absolutely zero reason not to know that.
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The fact that Alex doesn't want to bring up this belief that his guest has can really
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only lead me to one conclusion.
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He knows that it would turn off the audience.
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And if the audience is turned off, they will immediately reject Tex.
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If they're led to believe that he's not a bigot in this interview with Alex, they
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may approach his definitely anti-Semitic material with a greater willingness to accept it as
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not anti-Semitic, come into it with an open mind.
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Yeah.
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Alex is trying to Trojan horse anti-Semitism, and that's the best, most generous explanation
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that I can come up with, and he doesn't deserve it.
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Based on the guests that we've seen in this 2004 stretch, whole lot of Nazis, let's say.
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Whole lot of folks who don't believe in the Holocaust.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, man.
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I don't...
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Is that his real name?
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I think so.
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That sounds made up.
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Tex Mars?
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It's also T-E-X-E.
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Oh, that's even more annoying to me.
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And Mars is spelled M-A-R-R-S.
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Oh my god.
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That's the worst fantasy author's...
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It's fancy.
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That's a sci-fi author's terrible naming convention.
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That's very frustrating to me.
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Well, we mentioned this on the last time we talked about him, I'm sure, but him and his
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wife, one of the books they wrote together was Choosing the Best Name for Your Dog.
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So he's written, before he went down all this path, he wrote a number of other things that
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were completely unconnected to this bullshit.
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It did feel like even Alex's introduction was copy and pasted from the documentary that's
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like, at first it was going along fine, and then he started learning about the New World
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Order.
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Yeah, but Alex is still hiding.
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Yeah, he's still putting the ball behind his back.
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Yeah, well, I mean, sometimes it's really just annoying to hear these people, even if
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you agree with them, you're like, this is too much.
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What do you mean?
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You shouldn't write a whole thing about it, I don't need to listen to all of this.
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I think the people who agree with him like to hear all that.
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I understand where you're coming from, but it's annoying.
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I mean, it's just too long.
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I didn't even read the whole book, nor all the newsletters.
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This is what I'm saying.
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I love that you're the one who's complaining that it's too long, and I'm the one who read
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these things.
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So I'm theoretically complaining that were I to be part of this.
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You're complaining on my behalf, and I appreciate that.
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Absolutely, that is what I'm doing.
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So Alex talks a little bit about what they're going to get into.
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We'll talk about Skull and Bones and George W. Bush and Carrie with Tex.
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In fact, a decade ago, Tex was the only other author to write a detailed book about Skull
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and Bones.
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Now, it was just him and Anthony Sutton.
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Now they're, I don't know, I've probably seen 15 different books on Skull and Bones out
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there.
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Oh man, I wonder what they're going to talk about with Carrie and Skull and Bones.
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A few weeks after this episode, Tex published a newsletter titled, quote, The Order of Skull
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and Bones, which has an entire section with the heading, quote, Carrie's Concealed Jewish
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Heritage, which seems slightly off topic, maybe just a tiny bit.
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That's wild.
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Tex discusses how Carrie's grandfather came to the United States from then Czechoslovakia
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and, quote, set up shop with fellow Jews on Wall Street and soaked up a fortune, ripping
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off hapless Gentile clients.
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And then Tex goes on another bit of a sidetrack, quote, My investigation shows that Teresa
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Hines, the wife of John Carrie, is also Jewish.
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Apparently, this led him to the conclusion that, quote, for some reason, the Illuminati
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has decided that it is time, time for many formerly hidden Jews to come out of the closet.
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I feel like this article was supposed to be about Skull and Bones, but it's actually about
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how mad Tex is that someone with Jewish heritage might become president.
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Well, we'll see if Alex gets into those feelings that Tex has when he has him on the show.
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Yeah, it does feel like he's more interested in one thing than he is in the title.
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I didn't even get into the part of that article that is weirdly about how Wesley Clark apparently
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also has secret Jewish heritage.
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I genuinely was waiting for, you said Wesley and my next thought was like, if he says snipe,
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this is going to be the weirdest newsletter ever.
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From Star Trek?
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From Star Trek, yeah.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Next Generation?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Alright.
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Yeah.
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Alright.
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Alright.
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So Alex has to kill a little time before Tex comes in, so he complains about how easy
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it is for undocumented immigrants to get IDs.
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Of course.
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And I remember seeing years later the statesmen article that immigrants get a waiver from
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showing their birth certificate and ID.
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You just walk in if you're an illegal of the DPS and say, hm, ID, my name's, you know,
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Francisco, whatever, and boom, you're in.
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You starting to get this, folks?
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If this is truly the case, then why doesn't everyone just pretend to be an undocumented
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immigrant and get themselves an ID?
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I would rather do that than go through the other way.
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It sounds way easier than the whole process, and if you come out the other side with the
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exact same ID, what's the point?
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Do these places require you to prove that you're an undocumented immigrant to get the
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undocumented immigrant treatment?
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Like, how would that work?
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Well, you bring your undocumented ID in order to get your documented ID, and that is a one-to-one
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process because your documented ID is just a picture.
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Now, Alex might be skipping over a bunch of stuff with the idea that there's a waiver.
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Like, maybe there's a whole process that that waiver entails.
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That's possible.
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Because maybe sometimes, just for instance, if you're a refugee who comes over, you may
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not have a lot of documentation because you've had to flee your home country.
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Right, right, right.
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It may have burned in a fire in some place like Czechoslovakia.
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So maybe you have to get a waiver and you go through a whole process.
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Maybe that's something that he's pretending is just walking into a DMV and being like,
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my name is Francisco, whatever.
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I mean, but even then, we all know that that paperwork is as impossible as they can fucking
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make it.
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I would assume so.
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Having not been through the process, I would assume so.
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I would assume they were fucking you.
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I assume it is way harder than walking in and being like, blah, blah, blah, give me
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an ID.
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No, yeah, that's not possible.
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Yeah, but it stokes the racist fears, xenophobic fears that Alex and his audience gorge on.
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Yeah.
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So Alex goes to calls and it immediately goes bad.
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Well, let's go to him quickly.
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Who's up first in Canada?
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Reg, go ahead.
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Hi, Al?
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Yes.
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Listen, I'll tell you, I've been listening to you guys for about a year and a half, right?
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Yes.
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And I think it's time for us just to make a date.
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Like you are on the radio, you have a lot of listeners, everyone's waking up, right?
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My friends are waking up and we're sick and sleep and tired of this bullshit.
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Okay, thank you.
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So we're going to let you go.
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This broadcast is not a place to act like an idiot and you're banned from the show.
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Yeah, no potty mouth.
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This is a family show.
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Family show.
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This is a family show.
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Flash forward to Alex, you fucking fuckity fuck fuck.
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Absolutely.
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It's like, I mean, this is, that's wild to hear.
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And the way he said it too, the scolding adult ass tone.
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Fuck you.
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Fill your fucking hands.
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How dare you?
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Excuse me, sir.
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This is not the place to act like an idiot.
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This is a Denny's.
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His brand is a little different at this point.
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Yeah, I can see that.
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A little different.
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Yeah.
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So text comes in and they start up the conversation talking about Skull and Bones, as you might
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expect.
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Okay.
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Skull and Bones.
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We have the Skull and Bones candidacy.
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I mean, really no choice at all.
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Well, that's right because no matter who we vote for, the two major parties have given
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us the Skull and Bonesmen.
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I think that's very interesting.
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You know, you and I have always warned people that there's not a dime's worth of difference
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in the two political parties.
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And certainly when you really get down to the record, other than some very subtle, meaningless
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distinctions between Bush and Kerry, they both stand for the same New World Order platform,
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don't they?
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Oh, man.
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There's not a lick of difference between Bush and Kerry.
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They're both in Skull and Bones, or at least that's what Tex is saying on this radio show.
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Things might sound different in his newsletter.
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It does feel like he is a lot more explicit other places.
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Quote, yes, it does seem a certainty that whether Bush or Kerry, our next president,
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will be a Bonesman.
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He may be a Jew, too, and his vice president may be a Jew, two Jews who once claimed to
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be Gentiles.
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So what's the big deal?
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Why does it matter?
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Well, you history buffs may recall that in 1917, two closet Jews named Lenin and Trotsky
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vaulted to the leadership of the Russian Empire, an empire then among the world's great superpowers.
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They and their Jewish henchmen went on to imprison, torture, and kill some 66 million
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Christians and other enemies of Jewish Zionism.
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The Soviet gulags run by Jewish commandants dwarfed the Nazi concentration camps in size
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and deadliness.
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Could this happen again this time in America?
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You better believe it, Cam.
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You better believe it, Cam.
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Okay.
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Slight difference in messaging.
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I mean, I just can't help but read that and go, if you are telling the truth about this,
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I wouldn't need to hear it from you.
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I would already know that.
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That is a not unknowable thing.
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Sure.
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You know?
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And just to be clear, when he says the vice president part, that's because he was assuming
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that Wesley Clark would be his vice president, not John Edwards.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But yeah, man, little different tone there because you've got two different audiences.
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Yeah.
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You don't want to scare off the normies who might be listening to Alex's show on the radio
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with your ranting about how John Kerry is a closet Jew.
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I know, and it's so crazy.
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You know, like we were talking on the last episode, you know, people can have a completely
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separate conversations to each other because the words have no meaning.
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You know, and this idea of like-
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If you're talking about Tex and the audience, yes.
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If you're talking about Tex and Alex, I don't believe that.
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No, no, no.
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I was talking about on our last episode, we were talking about how Ice Cube and-
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Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm saying comparing that to-
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Oh, Tex and the audience.
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Yeah.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Like the audience can listen to that and hear like we are ruled by an aristocratic class
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of rich people that are owning the government.
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And you're like, yeah, man, I can get along with that.
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Yeah.
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But if you were like, hell, they're all Jews, that'd be like, nah, I don't think we're
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going to stay there, man.
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Yeah, I'm not going to look further into your information.
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Yeah, you're a bad human being.
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Yeah, but I think that that is possible and the sort of one-way conversation and the audience's
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response in their head to it.
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Right.
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I think that that is possible.
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Between Alex and Tex, I don't believe that's possible.
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No, no, no.
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He knows.
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Yeah, he knows what he believes.
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Alex knows.
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I was talking about between the two of them.
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Yeah.
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And Tex gets excited about accusing the Jews of deicide, which is hot topic at this point,
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because of Passion of the Christ, of course.
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Oh, that's right.
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And the conversation that's going around about that.
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Oh, boy.
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Mel Gibson is greatly criticized by these liberal Jewish organizations for his movie.
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How dare you say that the Jews killed Jesus?
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How dare you report what the Bible says?
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That horrible New Testament the Jews say.
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Why, how dare you to do that?
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That's a lie.
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Why, we never had anything to do with Jesus' death.
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But even the people saying these things, these hypocritical Jewish organizations, such as
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Foxman's, ADL, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and all the rest of them, they know that their
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very own holy book, the Jewish Talmud, the Jewish Talmud itself brags and says, hey,
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we Jews killed Jesus.
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He got what was coming to him.
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He was a blasphemer.
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So they, in their own little seminary classes, brag about killing Jesus.
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But if you, you, a Christian, go out and say it, or Mel Gibson put it in a movie, they
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want to hang you.
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So this is hypocrisy taken to a very extreme level.
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Well, I mean, what it is is doublethink.
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Not really.
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No.
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So what's interesting about this is that, like, Alex and, you know, Mel Gibson will
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try and, you know, sort of tiptoe around it and be like, the movie doesn't, it's not saying
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that the Jews killed Jesus, whereas Texas, like, you better fucking believe it does.
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Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.
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Which is, and also, you may notice that he's citing the Talmud, and that is the basis for
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all of his, like, later, like, aggressively universal hatred of Jews.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so he's already on that tip, you can, you can tell.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the problem, the problem really, if he actually believed this was a justification,
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which is, which he fucking doesn't.
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That's, it's all stupid.
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It's bullshit.
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It happened quite a while ago.
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You can't still be mad, you can't.
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Here's the big problem, though.
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If you start saying that, A, because you killed this person, we can hate you forever,
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I think they'll find that Christians have plenty of those people in their past, and
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if you're going to justify it, you have to accept that other people can and should use
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it against you.
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Well, I mean, the twist of it for Tex, the way he'd get out of it, is that, like, Jesus
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is the only true savior who has ever come, and so that is-
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I say that about my guy.
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Right, I understand that, but he says he's right, so-
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Okay, I say I'm right.
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Well, but you're wrong.
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So we can kill each other, and that's fine.
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Yeah, but-
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You have to agree that if I murder you, you are 100% fine with that.
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But, my killing of you would be righteous, and your killing of me would be a heretical
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murder.
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I mean, I wouldn't care, you'd be dead.
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I understand what you're saying, but you're coming at this with the point of, like, Tex
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has to accept this, and I'm saying he doesn't.
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No, no, no, I mean, I understand that he won't and doesn't.
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You externally believe he needs to accept that to be logically consistent, but I'm saying
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that he does not.
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No, no, no, I mean, I don't mean that.
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What I mean is that if he is going to say that, then it doesn't matter whether he says
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I accept it or not, on a certain level, he believes that to be true, which doesn't matter
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what he says to me.
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No, not on a certain level.
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He does not have to believe that to be true, because he would work his way around it by
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saying it is such a unique, different thing.
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Right, right, right.
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I'm not talking about the way he works around it.
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I'm talking about the fundamental idea.
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I guess, but I disagree with you.
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No, no, no, I understand.
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Fair enough.
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We're kind of talking around...
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I'm saying that he has a built-in reason to never believe any of the things that you're
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saying that make sense on paper.
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Right, 100%.
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I'm just saying that the fundament of that belief is you killed a guy, so I get to kill
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you.
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External from his head, that makes sense.
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In his head, he never has to believe that.
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He does not have to.
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Fundament or not, he does not.
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I mean, he says that it's going okay.
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So, leaving this aside, we're not going to make any progress on this.
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No.
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Alex has a absurd thing to say, and that is that text supports Israel.
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You know, that's the amazing thing, is that I...
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Sorry?
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You've written a lot of books where you're supporting Israel, and I've never not been
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a supporter of Jewish people, I support everybody, but the Bible, I mean, I've read the Bible,
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it's all about the prophets saying, you're bad, you're going to be punished if you don't
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follow God's orders, and you don't deserve this land unless you're following it, and
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then now it's morphed today into you support whatever happens, even if the Antichrist himself
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goes from Europe, sets up camp there, you've got to worship him or you're not supporting
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Israel.
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Well, see, this is just not of God, and we want to help the Jews, and he only helps people
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when you tell the truth.
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Yikes.
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Wow.
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Well, it's pretty rich for Alex to be claiming that text supports Israel.
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Right around the time of this episode, text wrote an article for his newsletter titled,
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quote, since 1948 has America been blessed or cursed?
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You decide.
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As you might guess, the premise is that the US has been cursed because they support Israel.
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What specifically happened in 1948 that would be...
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Israel.
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Yeah.
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The evidence he offers is a list of, quote, plagues and evils ravaging America since
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1948, including, but not limited to witchcraft, homosexual depravity, music vulgarity...
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What?
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Antichrist lobby groups, fiendish movies...
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Sure.
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And people getting tattoos.
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In case some people didn't get the message, he wrote another article around this time
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for his newsletter titled, quote, America has been on a downward spiral since Israel's
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founding in 1948.
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Is America cursed by God?
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Here's a little section from that one.
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Sure.
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Quote, to hear the preachers and politicians, one would think that America is God's beloved,
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a nation chosen and kept special by him because its citizens and culture are so very wonderful,
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so very moral and divine.
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But that's not at all what God has told me to tell Americans.
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Yeah, that line was a little...
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Okay.
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For months now, the Holy Spirit has urged me to come right out and continue to preach
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the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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So, dear friends, here it is, unvarnished and without garnish, devoid of embroidery.
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America is one of the two most cursed nations on earth.
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Okay.
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You can guess what the other country is.
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Ah, boy, I'm gonna go with Yugoslavia.
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Wrong.
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Ah, shit.
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You wanna try again?
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Israel?
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Yeah, that's right.
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Yeah.
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Tex argues that God is punishing the U.S. because, quote, our citizenry and its leaders
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never cease in providing aid and comfort to ungodly Israel and to unrepentant Jews who
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are avowed enemies of God.
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This is around the time of this interview.
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Yeah.
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So...
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Okay.
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I feel like Alex should ask Tex about this.
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I imagine he won't, because that's not the kind of interview that this is.
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This is an interview meant to make the audience like Tex, not to make the audience actually
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understand what he's about and what he believes.
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Yeah.
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I mean, listen, God has really lowered the bar on plagues since Egypt.
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If one of them is music vulgarity, that's not good.
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The Pharaoh's not gonna let you free on music vulgarity, God.
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What about this witchcraft?
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Witchcraft?
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Witchcraft?
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I mean, listen, again, until you say that they can actually do stuff, I don't, I can't
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handle it.
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That seems to be the premise, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, if they have witch powers, I'm on their team and not yours, because they have
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witch powers.
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It's not complicated.
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Also, there was no homosexuality before 1948.
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Not one time.
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No vulgar music.
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Nope.
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No fiendish movies.
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No tattoos.
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Well, I mean, you know, big band jazz was difficult to make music vulgarity from.
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But they found a way to call it vulgar.
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That's true, they really did.
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Yeah.
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Those goddamn horns.
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Yeah.
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The horns are too sensual.
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They're too much.
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Yeah.
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Those drums are louder than they're supposed to be.
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That jungle rhythm encouraging evil thoughts.
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I hate Buddy Rich.
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Oh, boy.
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So not to put too fine a point on this, but Alex has learned a lot from text.
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Well, let me enter in briefly with this, because this is key, and I learned this from you.
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You have a copy of Helmut Schmidt's Men in Powers, a political retrospective written
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by the German chancellor before Helmut Kohl.
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That's in my film, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, in the intro that I helped research
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out of your library, and I'm indebted to you for that text.
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That's not good.
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This is at major libraries, Men in Powers.
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That's a bad library.
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And he says, I'm a member of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, we're the world
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government people.
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He wrote this, okay, folks?
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And he says, we have our own ceremonial druid groves, and this stuff comes from Germany,
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but he says my favorite place to do the ceremonies is in Northern California at the Bohemian
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Grove.
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Sort of misrepresenting that text, but the more important thing is that Alex has been
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informed of major pillars of his worldview from text, and he researched for Dark Secrets,
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Bohemian Grove, in Texas Library.
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They're intimately connected, you know?
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Like this information stream is connected.
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Yeah, I feel like if I went into that library, I would have a full-on horror movie like,
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oh, no, no, it's coming from all sides!
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Like it would be, it's a hellish place.
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I think I would love it.
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Of course you would.
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But that's just because, I mean, first of all, I'd steal almost all of it.
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Yeah, well, of course.
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I would pillage that library, because I imagine he's got some stuff that is almost impossible
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to find, but is really revealing of some of how these thoughts and ideologies form.
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Like some of the ideas that, you know, you go to a mainstream library, you're not going
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to have access to these materials.
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I bet that dude has bound copies of manifestos and shit, you know?
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I would imagine, like, newsletters and, you know, some of the stuff from before the internet.
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And Encyclopedia Britannica.
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He seems like a guy who's got the full volumes.
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Oh, yeah.
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And somebody came to his house.
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Probably his Encarta.
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Yeah, totally.
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100%.
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We know that Alex is an Encarta boy.
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So John Kerry, you know, he was skull and bones, and here's where we find out how he
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got picked for that.
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Then they went to Yale.
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Now, how were they chosen?
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It wasn't because Kerry was such a great student, or was so popular or whatever.
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You do.
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After all, only 15 students go to each year.
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Well, he's John Forbes, Kerry.
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I mean, he's got a pedigree.
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He does indeed.
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And of course, his grandfather, now we know, came over from Czechoslovakia, Jewish, and
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founded a Wall Street firm.
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A Wall Street banking firm.
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Then John Kerry's father became a very high-level American diplomat in the State Department.
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Kerry, I believe, comes from a communist background.
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All of these people in the Kerry bloodline were indeed Marxist communists Jews.
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There's no doubt about that.
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In my newsletter this month, I have a picture, and I've seen him do it numerous times, of
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John Kerry giving the communist a fist-clenched salute.
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Words like that.
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Yeah.
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Just like, hooray!
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Yeah.
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We did it!
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Yeah.
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Man.
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Communist fist-pump.
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I'll tell you what, I have watched Rafa Nadal, and he is the most communist human being I've
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ever seen.
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Well, I mean, it just makes me think of the terrorist fist-pump with Michelle Obama and
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Barack.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is a little too much for on Alex's show.
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Like him...
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Once you say bloodline, we're in trouble.
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A bloodline of communist Jews, powerful communist Jews.
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If I were listening, and I were one of Alex's audience members, I would start to notice
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that this seems to have a lot to do with the Jews.
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For somebody who Alex is presenting as like, you know, all of these groups have been co-opted
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by the globalists, the New World Order, it seems like a lot of focus on one particular
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group here.
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Yeah.
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And it's not because I cut out all the parts where they were talking about Muslims or something.
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No, and Alex can hide, and did, obviously, behind so much of this bullshit because he
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can be like, it is groups.
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The moment you say bloodline, you're saying it's deterministic, and there's nothing you
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can do about it.
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And you believe that.
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Even if you say like, oh, no, no, no, we can do... you believe that.
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It's communism's in my blood.
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It's blood, yeah.
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If it's a bloodline shit, you're fucked.
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Also man, John Kerry, communist.
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I just don't know what to do.
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So we got the Hegelian dialectic in conversation here.
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Tex is going to discuss the way that a hate crime law in Idaho got passed.
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And I'm going to give you this warning, but I'm going to bleep it out of the episode.
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Tex drops a hard n-word.
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Oh my god, really?
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Oh fucking shit!
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Yeah, I mean, it's not... it's in a context that is like someone who's maybe a bit racist
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would be like, ah, come on.
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Alex doesn't bat an eye.
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There's no...
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Nothing.
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He got mad at that guy for saying bullshit.
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And this just flies.
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Wild.
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But, yep, here you go.
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Enjoy.
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The Hegelian dialectic.
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They need two opposing sides to have conflict and to create chaos, and then they come up
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with a solution, which is the synthesis.
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And so, you know, I remember some years ago, up in the state of Oregon, I believe it was,
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no, I'm sorry, Idaho, the state legislature was considering whether to pass a hate crimes
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act, and it would have limited free speech, Alex.
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Well, it was not going to pass the state senate committee in Idaho.
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It didn't have a, you know, a prayer to pass until the Aryan nations guys showed up.
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Only about six or seven of them.
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They got off an army back of some World War II surplus army truck.
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They had on their black armbands and their Nazi brown uniform, brown shirt, and went
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around giving the Nazi salutes saying, you know, we're going to raise hell if this hate
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crime act is passed.
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We hate Jews and <n-words>.
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This is what they said, okay?
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Well, anybody seeing that, what would you want?
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I'd want that hate crimes act passed.
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I mean, these terrible Nazis saying the N word and saying they want to kill all Jews?
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I mean, if these people are around everywhere, and here they are right in the capital city
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of Idaho, giving the Nazi salute, there's only a half dozen of them, of course, the
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Aryan nations.
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I mean, the very next day, there was an editorial by a Jewish man, head of some Jewish organization
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that was unknown.
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His name was like Goldstein or something, and he blasted the Aryan nation.
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I think it was the Aryan nation.
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For what?
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He said, this is proof that we need to pass this hate crimes act right away.
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And everybody said, well, see, their group, sort of like the ADL, is against this.
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And as for the hate crimes act, now, the Idaho Senate ended up passing that act.
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Public pressure made them do it.
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It was only belatedly that somebody did a little research in the, I think it was the
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Idaho Observer newspaper, if I can recall, come to find out Mr. Goldstein of this Jewish
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organization, had the same mailing address as the Aryan nation.
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No.
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Twist.
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Okay.
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That story isn't true.
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That's an absurd story.
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Yeah, but it's a fun way for Tex and Alex to pretend that the hate groups whose messages
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they support aren't real.
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Interestingly, when I tried to find a story about Idaho and the Aryan nations and someone
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named Goldstein, all I was able to pull up was a 1986 article about the Aryan nations
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Congress being held in Hayden Lake, Idaho, and this quote about radicalizing locals from
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one of the group's member, the group's leaders, Aryan nation leaders.
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Quote, all we had to do is to convince a man who has been on the wrong end of a foreclosure
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sale that he's the victim of a conspiracy by Jewish bankers.
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He loses his farm, one that his family has maybe had for a hundred years, courtesy of
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someone at the bank, someone called Goldstein or Greenberg.
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He's not going to be too terribly happy with the Jews for that, is he?
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And that's where we move in.
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On a fundamental level, the tactic being described by this Aryan nations leader isn't too different
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from what Tex is doing here.
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They're both taking a thing that is seen as unpopular and blaming its existence on the
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Jews.
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Tex is saying that there's a desire to pass this hate crime legislation that would restrict
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free speech.
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And the only way they were able to get it passed is by having a Jewish group pretend
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to be an antisemitic racist hate group, which would then protest itself.
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The Jewish group was playing both sides in order to restrict free speech.
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If you take what Tex is saying seriously at all, this is indistinguishable from neo-Nazi
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storm front type rhetoric.
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It's honestly shocking that this kind of stuff is not more what's defined Alex's legacy.
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You know, really, when we're in this 2004 stretch, it's been rough with antisemitic
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shit and like weird guests who are deeply problematic, not like somebody, like I would
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put them as more problematic than even like Mike Cernovich or Jack Posobiec, like these
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types of people are deep in the shit.
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And it's wild to me that this isn't what he is characterized as.
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Now granted, I think a lot of people don't know who he is, people in mainstream life
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don't have occasion to know who he is, or maybe they've heard of him in passing as like
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the guy who lost a billion dollars for lying about Sandy Hook people.
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And I don't think that that is an undeserved legacy either.
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But it is surprising to me when I go back and I listen to this era that like, you know,
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when 2009 came along, you know, 2010, whenever there was a slightly rising awareness of who
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Alex was and his star was rising, that this wasn't like an anchor on him.
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Like it should be.
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I mean, you know, it's kind of fascinating because Tex made an interesting point, which
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is if the Aryan nation hadn't showed up, the bill would have passed.
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No, you're saying they wouldn't have passed.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He would have gotten what he wanted.
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Right.
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Right.
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So what he's saying is essentially that we should have let Idaho be as racist as we are
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by not doing anything.
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So does that mean that the best way to get what you want is to do nothing?
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Well in this instance, you know, obviously they have the same mailing address.
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This Jewish group that Goldstein is working for and the Aryan nations are the same group.
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Right.
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So in this instance, the doing nothing isn't an option for him because he's pretending
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that the Aryan nations doesn't really exist.
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They're a fabrication of this Jewish group that came to town because this hate speech
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bill wasn't going to pass and they needed to restrict free speech.
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And so they played the role of both ends, both sides.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So doing nothing isn't really an option for him because this is being done to them.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Fascinating.
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Not really.
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I mean.
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I mean, yeah.
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In some level, I guess the thinking of it is interesting.
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It is a strange way of getting to an idea.
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Being able to get there is interesting.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's weird.
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It's upsetting.
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Yeah.
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It's real upsetting.
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Yeah.
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And the idea of just being like, Hey, listen, we know why people join cults and religions
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and all of this shit.
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We'll just do that.
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When they have something bad happen, we'll say that it's their fault.
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And then there was.
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That's fascinating.
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So Alex has something that comes to mind hearing this story from Tex.
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I mean, Tex, I've found that over and over and over and over again.
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I mean, when, when we went down to the Capitol to try to beat off a bunch of, you know, fight
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back a bunch of gun bills and incomes, the local gun group guy, and he's got two black
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guys with him and they marched him up and they go, we're black, we're evil.
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We're dangerous.
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We'll kill every, you know, we're done.
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We shoot people, you know, you better ban guns.
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And then they trot the guys out.
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Is that what they're saying?
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He's playing them.
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And I got video of this, paid him and Chris $100 bills.
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And then they just, you know, just talk to me in normal English all of a sudden, no longer
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were they the ghetto, you know, black guys that, you know, we just got paid and walked
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out and left.
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And the paper calls me and goes, Mr. Jones, are you racist?
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Yes.
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It would have been white people, would you have shown them being paid off?
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And the Capitol ethics board was saying, this is criminal what happened, but the paper was
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discussing is, is Alex Jones racist?
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But the point is, is they have staged events, don't they, Tex?
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Absolutely they do.
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I've seen that video.
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Alex is not conveying this incident accurately at all.
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For one thing, the testimony that's given is completely different than how Alex is portraying
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it.
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It's a guy from a group called Young Texans Against Gun Violence.
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He's a black dude from Houston who's telling the committee that one of the sources for
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guns in his community is gun shows where you can get weapons far more easily than through
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licensed dealers.
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And that this contributes to the violence that he lives in.
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Talking about how people who are on this council board don't see things internally.
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They're seeing the situation from an external perspective.
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That's what he's talking about.
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He's not saying that we kill people, we shoot people, we're dangerous.
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It would be a very strange thing for him to say.
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That is a racist way for Alex to convey this person's testimony because Alex is a fucking
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racist.
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Second, there's three men with this lawyer, not two, Alex is misremembering that.
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The video itself doesn't show the lawyer paying off anyone, but it appears to pick up just
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after the three men were given some compensation.
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They're really clear that this was repayment for travel expenses, not a payoff for their
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testimony.
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I do believe that Alex would take issue with anyone, white or black, testifying in favor
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of a gun bill, but he probably wouldn't have been there or noticed these guys if they weren't
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black.
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That's true.
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I think there is a racist element in the play here, but it's not exactly the one that Alex
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is defending himself from.
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Yeah.
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But I do think it's racist as shit.
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Another thing that's important to point out is that Alex is accusing this lawyer in the
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video from deep in the past of working for George Soros, which is where the payoffs are
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coming from.
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He says that Soros has taken over the media and he's playing around with a bunch of antisemitic
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tropes.
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That's why this particular incident comes to Alex's mind.
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Texas just relayed a story about his belief that a Jewish group created fake racist groups
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to fight with so they could pass a hate speech bill.
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And in response, Alex tells a story of when he was accusing a Jewish billionaire of paying
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off black men to act scary so they could get a gun bill passed.
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These two guys, Alex and Tex, are really playing far more similar games than it might at first
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appear.
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Yeah.
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What they're doing is in concert.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Boy.
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Yeah.
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Oh, the whites are under attack.
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Oh, just always.
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But even beyond that, what they're describing is strategically and based, like it's fundamentally
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the same.
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These two stories that they're telling are, they follow the same pattern.
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And that pattern is Jewish groups doing false flaggy type stuff in order to pass legislation
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that's aimed at taking away your free speech or taking away your guns.
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That's what those two stories are.
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They appear slightly different, but that is fundamentally what they are.
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Yeah.
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I just struggle with this concept of like, but why would you do this?
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This is not how you get things.
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I'm mad.
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I'm mad at the thought process because that doesn't make any goddamn sense.
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And also what you're saying- Especially because free speech is still intact
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and so are gun rights.
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I mean, but what you're saying is that the people who are portrayed as bad people are
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the ones that I agree with entirely.
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Like you're saying that this bill wouldn't get passed if it weren't for blank, right?
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Those people who showed up are the ones who don't want the bill to be passed.
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So you agree with them fundamentally.
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Yeah.
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And that's a racist law.
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Well, yeah, but they're not real.
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But the law is- No, I get it.
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It's a little bit self-condemning in some ways.
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It's you saying, yeah, I agree with the racist, but if they didn't show up, we wouldn't have
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gotten the bill.
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If they didn't show up as part of a coordinated thing with the people who are mad at them
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and put on a whole pageant, Hegelian dialectic.
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But otherwise, yeah, I agree with the bad guys.
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Right.
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Right.
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I mean, but that's a really crazy thing to say is because that's admitting that, I mean,
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you're not going to take the payoff, right?
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Because you're too good, but yeah, you'd take the payoff.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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Wild.
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So Tex Mars has a kind of silly thought here that I don't think is as hateful as a lot
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of the things he says.
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Just kind of silly.
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Okay.
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In this article you've written that we've got a link to at prisonplanet.com, you talk
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about John Forbes Carey and his initiation, and then he's brought before the master, told
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to bow to the master, and you say, is this the human leader of Skull and Bones, or was
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this a mysterious hooded figure?
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In fact, the one who men fear and quiver before.
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Good question.
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Real quick.
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This is the same article that later gets into John Carey's secret Jewishness.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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So Alex is reading from that article.
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Right.
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So he knows.
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So he knows where the final part is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Could this be Lucifer himself, Prince of Darkness?
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What are you getting at there?
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Well, I think the question really is, does Lucifer, on occasion, come down and call his
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neophyte?
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Come down?
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You know, this is an occasion of a celebration of death.
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These young men lay in a coffin, they're initiated, as I explained it very carefully in my book
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Dork Majesty, the Skull and Bones itself is a symbol of death, and the X under the skull,
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the way the bones are placed in the form of an X goes all the way back to Osiris, the
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god of the underworld, the god of death, of ancient Egypt.
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So I can believe, although I'm not saying, I have no idea, to be honest with you, I've
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only got speculation from certain parties, that it might literally be Lucifer himself
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who comes down once a year.
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This sounds so preposterous.
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Some people have speculated it could be George Bush Sr., Herbert Walker, who is now considered
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one of the patriarchs of Skull and Bones.
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Yeah, or Satan shows up once a year, like Santa.
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What is a year to the devil?
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Well, it's because the initiation ceremony every year at Skull and Bones.
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He's gotta be there to preside over it so people can bow before him.
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I mean, I just feel like that's not a productive use of his time, if he's also trying to, you
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know, end the human race.
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Well, a day to God is a thousand years.
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A day to the devil is like 300.
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He has a slightly different time.
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Right, right, right.
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He's on, like, God's base 10 system, and the devil's more of a binary...
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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You had trouble with the devil coming down.
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I just appreciate the devil's coming down.
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Well, he went down to Georgia.
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That's what I'm saying!
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Yeah.
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He's saying it in the same...
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Devil went down to Skull and Bones.
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He was looking for an initiate.
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He was way behind and sick of the bullshit.
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Oh, man.
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Jesus Christ.
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Sick of saying both.
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This is a family show.
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Well, I've got to write another Devil Went Down to Georgia song, apparently.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah.
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So, that's fun.
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The devil might actually show up.
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I, but...
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And I can't prove this.
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This is just based on the speculation of a few people.
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Just speculation from a few people.
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Some other people I've talked to were like, eh, could be the devil.
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And I was like, that is worthy of reprinting Wholesale.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, I guess take that in mind when you think about his other beliefs.
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How firmly based they are in things.
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Yeah.
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So, a caller calls in to talk to Alex in text, and this guy wants to bring up that it's not
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really biblical to believe in deicide.
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What?
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Dick in Indiana.
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Dick, go ahead.
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Go ahead, sir.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Something happened just there.
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I would like to talk about the passion a little.
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Okay.
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Go ahead.
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Okay.
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Matthew 20, 19.
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It says that the Gentiles had Jesus crucified, and Acts chapter 2, 21, claims that Israel
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had Jesus killed, and Paul said in 1 Corinthians 2, 6, the princes of this world had him was
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killed.
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Well, that's the point.
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Is that, hold on a second, is that the Romans, the Jews, the elite of the world, as that
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says, the establishment didn't like what he was doing, the same thing today.
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Yeah, and Jesus said that no man takes my life, I lay it down willingly.
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Okay.
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Okay, and one other thing, Alex.
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He jumps onto another subject there after that, but that's a verse.
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Real tough to get around the whole no one killed me, I lay it down personally because
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that's what I was telling you God told me to do, I was doing what he said, everybody's
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doing the plan, this is the whole thing.
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And I also think that when you look at things like that, and you consider the totality of
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the message, I don't feel like Jesus' message was, hold a grudge, avenge me.
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I want to say that he was very specific about what he was there to do.
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He liked forgiveness.
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I don't recall him saying anything about forgiveness.
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No, I don't recall him saying anything about that.
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It doesn't feel like the kind of religion or sort of spiritualism that I would resonate
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with to bicker about blame thousands of years after something.
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Yeah, it does seem a little odd.
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It was weird when Jesus was like, let he who is without sin throw the first stone, unless
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he's got a shit ton of racist sin, and it's a joke.
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I don't believe he said that.
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So Tex isn't going to have any of this shit.
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Hey Alex, one thing, I know we haven't got much time, the comment right before this,
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I want to correct the impression he made about the Bible.
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The gentleman selectively quoted the Bible as absolutely not true.
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The Bible is very clear.
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Certainly Jesus Christ laid down his life for us.
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But there were human instruments, human agents, and the Apostle Paul, in 2 Thessalonians,
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verse 14 through 16, says this, quote of the Jews who both killed the Lord Jesus, I want
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to read that again.
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The Jews killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets and have persecuted us and they please
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not God and are contrary to all men.
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Now either the Apostle Paul told the truth, which I'm convinced he did, or he didn't.
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But the Jews killed Jesus.
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Pilate again and again said, I find nothing wrong with this just man.
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I'm going to release him.
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But the Jews cried out, here again we have the Bible, Matthew 27, they cried out crucify
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him, give us Barabbas, and they said his blood be on us and on our children.
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Well text, it's important to be historical, and when I was agreeing with the caller, what
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I was saying was is that, and there are those verses he was reading, that the system, the
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corrupt system, and the Pharisees wanted this to happen.
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And so I was being clear that it's this group, because there were a bunch of Jewish people
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who were followers of Jesus who didn't want him killed.
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Well that's true, there weren't very many though, and it makes clear that it was a multitude,
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all of the Jews.
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And I'm afraid now we have many, many Jews who would do the same thing today, but again
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we should not say every Jew, because that's very, very unfair.
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Alright, so Alex has an inability to, he's agreeing with the caller when the caller was
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saying this, and then as soon as Tex pushes back on it, he has to sort of get towards
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the middle, but he's also really trying to be like, Tex, eh.
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Come on buddy.
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Eh.
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Come on buddy.
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Yeah.
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Let's not go too hard.
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This is not the place for that game, Tex.
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Yeah, that's fun, I do appreciate that.
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Well you know, there were people who followed Jesus who didn't, eh fuck them.
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Not many.
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What does that mean?
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Not many?
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Eh, that doesn't count.
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Not enough.
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That doesn't, yeah, what's the correct number?
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I don't know.
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Tex is, I was gonna say unfortunately, but I'm not sure about that, he's dead, so we
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can't ask him about it.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Can't ask for numbers.
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I feel like maybe somebody should have noticed in the Bible, it tells a lot of different
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stories about the same thing happening.
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It's true.
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Based upon what is useful at the time.
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There's different accounts of things.
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It seems like if there are different accounts of things, and they're all in the Bible, then
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they all have to be true.
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I mean that's, you know, that's an issue for someone else to wrestle with.
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Exactly.
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I don't have a dog in this fight.
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So yeah, I'm gonna let this one go.
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So a caller calls in and asks about a white supremacist murderer, but also maybe isn't
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asking about that, but Alex thinks he is, I don't know what's going on here.
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Thank you for taking my call, Alex.
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First I'd like to apologize.
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I believe the last time I called, I was quite upset.
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Well listen, it's okay, let's not have a, sir, do you have a question or a comment or
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a point?
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Yes, yes I do.
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I was wondering, a couple years back there used to be a so-called, I believe it was a
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white supremacy church around the Chicago area, and one of this guy's followers went
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and killed about six or seven people in a mostly Jewish neighborhood.
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Yeah, Mr. Furrow, total federal operation, he lived at the military base in Washington
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State, friends with Larry Ashbrook who shot up the Baptist Center in Fort Worth, and he
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told his neighbors, I'm under control, I was in the Navy, they're telling me to do it.
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Neighbors saw a white van pull up, people grabbed him a week before, freaked out, tore
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his house up, cried out for help, and then went and shot everybody yelling, Hail Satan,
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and then blew his own head off.
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Tex, you want to comment on that?
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Actually this was another deal out in Chicago, I believe the guy's name was Hale, and the
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last time I heard he was arrested under the Patriot Act, now this is the leader of the
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so-called church, he said he didn't have nothing to do with this guy going killing those people,
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but they put some phony charges on this guy saying he was trying to kill a judge, and
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they arrested him under the Patriot Act, and he hasn't had a lawyer, it's been like two
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years and I haven't heard another, I was just wondering.
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Yeah, I see these articles all the time, Tex, you want to comment on that?
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Yeah, I think you're talking about Matt Hale, he's a lawyer, of course I wouldn't agree
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with him on a religious basis at all, he really does not believe in a personal God, but I
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know him, I've communicated with him, and those are trumped up charges.
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What he really did was he disagreed with this judge, and he asked people to write the judge
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and let him know you disagree with him.
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Now unfortunately, he didn't tell anybody to do any harm to the judge or whatever, but
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the judge didn't lack to receive, he's one of these elitist monsters who thinks that
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if you just criticize him, that's intimidation, and the judge ordered Mr. Hale then arrested,
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because he didn't like to be criticized.
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The judge was a lady, but also Matthew Hale didn't just criticize a judge, he solicited
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someone to murder the judge, and that person was an FBI agent.
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Right, right right right.
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The FBI agent had been embedded in Hale's group, and Hale had made him the head of security
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because he liked him, and honestly, if you look at the case, it really does kind of feel
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like Matthew Hale is a piece of shit, he sucks, he's a neo-nazi, but that FBI agent was doing
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a bit of poking and prodding towards getting him to want to kill the judge.
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I don't know if it's entrapment or not, but looking at the information that I looked at
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made me feel like, left to his own devices, there is a chance that he would not have wanted
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to kill this judge.
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But there's also a chance that he would have.
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I don't know.
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He did get charged.
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I mean, the problem with that is, we've seen an awful lot of the FBI agents do that to
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Muslims immediately following 9-11.
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It's hard to trust the FBI.
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I think the standard of blame should be fairly high, or the standard of certainty that this
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person wants to and is planning to do this thing is pretty high, and I have a little
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bit of a dubious feeling about this.
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Now, again, this dude sucks, he's running a Nazi church, sucks.
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And a bizarre twist, Hale was arrested in 2003, but later, this judge's mother and husband
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were murdered in her home in 2005.
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But get this, it was found to be completely unrelated to Matthew Hale.
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I just, that's not fair.
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The coincidence is just baffling.
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It's one of those things, you know, sometimes it's like, oh man, I don't know if things
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that happen far away are real.
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This was in Chicago.
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I mean, well, what I mean is, outside of this room.
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So I think, I don't know what Alex was talking about, but the caller, he was referencing
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a murder spree that was carried out by this white supremacist and Hale church follower
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named Benjamin Nathaniel Smith.
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Between July 2nd and 4th, 1999, Smith carried out drive-by shootings in the Chicagoland
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area targeting Jews and minorities.
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The spree ended when he went to Bloomington, Indiana and tried to carry out a mass shooting,
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ultimately killing one guy is a Korean dude named Won Joon-Yoon, and then he led the police
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on a highway chase and shot himself in the head.
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So that was the case that this caller brought up, but you can see how knee-jerk Alex is
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coming up with some kind of a story where he can rattle off all kinds of insinuations
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that this white supremacist murderer is a false flag of some sort, because he's invested
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in denying the existence of this brand of violence.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it should be difficult to get past, you didn't actually know what that guy was
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talking about, and then you made up a long story about that guy.
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Right.
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Well, that certainly is some kind of a slew of talking points that he has about a different
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white supremacist murderer.
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See, that's kind of the thing.
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You're very eager to deny white supremacist violence, is basically what we're getting
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at.
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So are you saying that the FBI, like, I mean, but that has to be it.
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That has to be the entirety of the FBI's job is to pretend to be white supremacist murdering
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people.
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For Alex?
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Yeah, because there's so many of them all over the place, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For Alex's ideas to be...
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, not just that, I mean, they're also pretending to be patriots doing bombings
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and...
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Sure.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They've got a business.
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Alex, like I said, he performed Alex's wedding, the guys know each other real well, and he
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just thinks Alex is a sweetheart.
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Everything we've said on this program, many people will say it's intimidation, and yet,
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Alex, I know you personally.
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I know...
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Listen, you wouldn't even hurt a puppy dog.
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I mean, you're the kindest guy I know.
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He's killed Morton.
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Your wife is one of the sweetest ladies I know, Violet.
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And yet, you see, they would claim that by our free speech, we're threatening people's
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lives.
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We're intimidating.
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We're creating terrorism.
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This is nonsense, and we've got to stop the nonsense before we lose our country.
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Absolutely, and if folks want a free Power of Prophecy newsletter, I suggest you call
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and get one, 800-234.
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That's the newsletter that's full of all the anti-Semitic bullshit, by the way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Alex, you've never hurt a dog.
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You've killed so many dogs.
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And...
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So many fucking dogs.
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Alex is, by his account, I mean, I know he's lying, but by his account, he's a fucking
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murderer.
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He's killed people.
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Yep, he says that.
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Yeah.
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A lot.
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So I don't know, I don't know, man.
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I've stumped somebody's guts here.
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They die real slow.
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Bleh, bleh, bleh.
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Bleh, bleh.
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This is a family show.
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Bleh, don't say bullshit.
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So you have one less clip here, and I think that this is illuminating as fuck.
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This is the pipeline.
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Tex, I appreciate your hard work and all you do, and I appreciate you coming on the show.
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Alex, listen, I feel the same way about you.
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You're really on the front lines, and people need to pray for Alex Jones.
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You're doing so much good.
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Just at my Bible home church meeting the other night, a gentleman came up to me, he's a chiropractor.
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He said his whole life was turned around by you, Alex, just listening to your show.
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He had been a Rush Limbaugh fan, but he says, but after he listened to Alex Jones, he said
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he knew that Rush Limbaugh just didn't tell the whole story.
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And I want to thank you and your audience as well for the courtesy of me coming on today.
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Well, thank you.
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Take care, Tex.
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I'd also like to thank you for creating an audience that is receptive to me, whereas
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the jump from Rush to me, probably too big of a jump.
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But you prepare them to be sucked into anti-Semitic churches like mine.
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Hey, you know what's fun about that?
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Spell's rat!
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I think that there could not be more clear kind of just in less than a minute an explanation
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of this guy was listening to Rush Limbaugh, you radicalized him and made him believe that
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there was this large conspiracy that explains everything in the world and that Rush was
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hiding things from him.
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And then he eventually found his way to me because I'm even more satisfied as I give
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the ultimate answer that you don't really give the people are looking for, which is
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it's the Jews.
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Right.
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You started listening to Alex, you believe in the conspiracy, and then you're talking
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to other people who listen to Alex and they're like, you know what he's actually talking
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about.
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You know who his guru is.
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Exactly.
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This guy who says the stuff that Alex can't say on the air because then he'd get in trouble.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They'd call him a racist.
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Uh huh.
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Now, I mean, if you read it.
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Hey.
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What are you going to say?
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Well.
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So yeah, this is a bad episode, man.
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Bad stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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2004 is tough.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think it's so much more interesting and so much more revealing in terms of what Alex's
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career has really meant, the foundations of it, and so much of this building time.
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What he should be called to be responsible for.
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Yeah.
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But man, bad.
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Like it's just stuff that doesn't get talked about enough.
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No.
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Like Alex's show was a den of Nazis basically.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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In 2004.
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Totally.
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And we saw how popular it got.
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The amount of damage Alex did to everybody through this is fucking huge.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, it's insane.
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It's insane that it's still going on.
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Yeah.
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It's very strange that so much of the legacy isn't defined by basically what is being described
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in that last clip.
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Like so much of Alex's legacy should be middleman between conservatism and Nazis.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Willing participant in that pipeline.
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I'm the guy who'll get you there.
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He's the fucking goddamn coyote of racism.
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Oh.
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Not the wily coyote.
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No, no, no, no.
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Okay.
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He'll get you across the border is what I'm trying to say.
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Yes.
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That's the wily coyote metaphor.
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Makes sense.
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I don't understand.
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Fair enough.
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So yep.
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That's that.
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I'm going to be moving this weekend.
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So we have a interview that you did coming up on Monday, so that's going to be very exciting.
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But we will be back in the... soon after that.
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Hope.
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Indeed we will.
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Ideally the move will be smooth and we'll have a new studio, take some pictures, show
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the people.
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That'd be fun.
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But yeah, until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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I realize I didn't ask you for closing thoughts because I kind of think we got it out of the
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way.
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I think we got it out of the way.
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Yeah.
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No, no, no.
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That explains everything that I feel.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm Dizzy X. Clark.
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Boop-a-doop-a-dee-doop-boop-a-doop-boop-boop-boop-a-dee-doop-boop-boop-boop.
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Hey Alex, do you think that we should do a Chilly Willy winter?
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Woo yeah!
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Woo yeah!
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And now here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
