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Dan (00:00:59.000)

Hey, everybody, welcome back and I will try to update a couple dudes like sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

Oh, indeed. We are Dan Jordan. Damn. Quick question for you. What's your spot today, buddy?

Dan (00:01:12.000)

My bright spot today is we're going back to novelty. We're going to talk a little bit about it. All right. I was at a candy shop the other day. Okay, and I could not resist the siren song of two particular things. There were so many candies to choose from, but I couldn't resist these two. One was a Froot Loops gummy. Gummy Froot Loops. Wow. All right.

Jordan (00:01:37.000)

So they're so they're like the lifesaver? gummies but they're the FoodSaver got a fruit like fruit loop gummies version of lifesaver. gummies sort

Dan (00:01:43.000)

of Yeah, but you know for loops has a distinctive flavor. I've gone on record and I'm willing to stand by that you have it? I think the Froot Loops pop tart is an okay Pop Tart. Famously.

Jordan (00:01:52.000)

Yeah, you are the only defender of the Froot Loops Pop Tart. Now

Dan (00:01:56.000)

the standard is a little lower because most pop tarts are terrible. That's true. So I'm not saying much when I say it, but I say it.

Jordan (00:02:03.000)

Yeah, I mean, you got your you got your brown sugar cinnamon, you got your strawberry, the end of pop tarts for Lou. Maybe s'mores, but I don't know s'mores or dessert. I'd like to

Dan (00:02:12.000)

introduce you to my friend. So those were pretty good. But then the other thing that I couldn't resist was a bag of Starburst cotton candy.

Jordan (00:02:23.000)

I genuinely don't even know how to what what. What, it's a bag of Starburst. Well, I

Dan (00:02:27.000)

thought it would come on a stick. But I opened up the bag and it was just like a brick. Cotton candy. And it was the red flavors. It was red and pink. Oh, so it's only that? Yeah, it's just those two plates.

Jordan (00:02:40.000)

Okay, so they made a starburst? Yeah. Out of cotton candy.

Dan (00:02:45.000)

I guess it kind of was but I didn't feel like it was intended to be kind of in the shape. Okay, it was just a brick. Sure. But it was good. But it also had a cough drop kind of taste to it.

Jordan (00:02:58.000)

That's doesn't make that makes even less sense. It does.

Dan (00:03:01.000)

Also I learned something about myself. Don't like cotton candy. Why would you it's kinda gross. It's never been good. The very idea of it is it's it's it's best left to the carnival. And as a like, entertaining thing. You're watching the guy with the shirt. Sure. Yeah, swirling it around. Totally. It's kind of like magic. But ya know, I

Jordan (00:03:21.000)

all of our all of our carnival childhood stuff. You know, those are experiences that remain at the carnival. I don't never take you. I'm never going to get like a bears or what is it? pig's ear? What is it? Well,

Dan (00:03:34.000)

I don't get that. No,

Jordan (00:03:35.000)

I'm never gonna get that corndog

Dan (00:03:38.000)

you might get a corndog somewhere. Fried Snicker bars. were something like the Korean barbecue down the street. I feel like I've seen that at some like, sort of high falutin putting on airs type of restaurant where they're trying to like, reinvent. Deep fried. Nick, I feel like I have because I think I've eaten it. We've got

Jordan (00:04:05.000)

a deconstructed deep fried Snickers it's just

Dan (00:04:09.000)

next to it. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I don't know I feel like that Starburst cotton candy might get a half Brightspark All right, and then the Froot Loops ones actually in hindsight weren't very good. But I'm not mad at them. No,

Jordan (00:04:24.000)

it's the novelty that's the bright spot not the not the follow through

Dan (00:04:28.000)

Well, I mean, I just gotta I gotta let people know I gotta Cheshire the weird things

Jordan (00:04:32.000)

know that people have constantly been wondering. Drinking Seltzer and the answer is I think no right now and again,

Dan (00:04:39.000)

just not that much. I still enjoy yourself the other day all right, all right.

Jordan (00:04:44.000)

I'm not I'm not attacking. Also,

Dan (00:04:46.000)

I got a little bit of heat over my opinions about the strawberry cream Dr. Pepper. I respect all your opinions. But a disagree there's

Jordan (00:04:56.000)

nothing that you can't fight about. Now. There's just nothing you can Have you ever just be like, I don't like this soda? You're welcome to like,

Dan (00:05:03.000)

not going to change my mind that it sucks. Yeah, that's fair. So what about you? What's your bread spot? Oh, my

Jordan (00:05:07.000)

bright spot did was yesterday. My wife and I had the chance for the first time in a long time to go out and play tennis on a really nice warm day in a wild sunny out bright. Of course it's going to snow tonight because that's the world we live in now. But yeah, it was fantastic. Chicago logic doing great. It was it was felt it felt really good.

Dan (00:05:27.000)

I didn't even what are you out there on clay? No, no, no,

Jordan (00:05:30.000)

that's, that's very rare. Okay. There's not a lot of clay courts in Chicago? No, no, I don't think there are any clay courts. What is it?

Dan (00:05:38.000)

Vinyl? linoleum

Jordan (00:05:41.000)

Can you play on vinyl? Rug?

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Hardwood,

Jordan (00:05:48.000)

I would be interested in indoor rug tennis League. That would be fascinating. Oh, much. Wouldn't be good. A lot of broken ankles. Dive in front of the rug burn over Datuk electricity alone would kill many people.

Dan (00:06:01.000)

Maybe this is how we solve the energy crisis possible. Static electricity charges the whole room, right? Yeah.

Jordan (00:06:07.000)

It's a carbon neutral. Flaking cord. Yeah.

Dan (00:06:11.000)

These tennis players can give back.

Jordan (00:06:13.000)

I like it. I like it. No, I think that's the way we should go. How?

Dan (00:06:16.000)

How to go? Well,

Jordan (00:06:18.000)

we don't we've never played a game ever. We just we don't do any of that. It's a little back and forth. We just go out there. We hit the ball back and forth for an hour. And sometimes good things happen. And people go ah, and that's pretty much it. It's enjoyable.

Dan (00:06:33.000)

Let me let me put you on the spot here. Sure. You telling me that you're not keeping score in your head? Even if you're not like competing?

Jordan (00:06:41.000)

No. I mean, honestly, because because with tennis might believe you. Here's the thing about tennis, which makes keeping score very difficult if you're not inside the game, right? If you want to keep playing, then when somebody hits the ball outside of the line, but it's still in the doubles court, you just keep hitting, you know, so where in your mind, you would think, Oh, that's a point for me. If you keep hitting like four or five more times, you don't even remember that it was out before you know, that's a completely different point. I don't keep track of that

Dan (00:07:10.000)

the tennis is done that way. It is done that way, like 1.2 points. It's not back and forth and all this very

Jordan (00:07:16.000)

silly. It doesn't make any sense. At one point they call the score Deuce even though it's tied and doesn't have anything to do with two. It's fascinating. Yeah,

Dan (00:07:24.000)

weird. Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode that went quite far afield of where I meant it to go. That sounds right. today. We're sort of talking about April 14 2023, which is Friday's episode. All right, sort of talking about sort of Yes. And all will make sense. In due time. Okay. But before we get to any of that, let's take a little moment. Say hello to somebody who wants Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Regina Calibri see your friendly neighborhood called whisper. Thank you so much. You're now ballsy. Well,

Alex Jones (00:07:54.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, next, I would like a BLT but this time, I don't want cucumbers in it. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:08:01.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:08:02.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:08:03.000)

It'd be some kind of an inside joke that I hope isn't offensive. Yeah. Next. Welcome to the world. Alexandra Noel. Congratulations to Alan and Cynthia Allen. This is where I'm supposed to insert stone cold glass breaking intro sound cutting edge. I'll still stone cold. stunner. You thank you so much for your now policy walk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Next Happy Birthday. Erica, I love you. Your GF Jade, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

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Jeff. stand for gluten free.

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Oh.

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Wait, is this going to undo

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the I love you? I gotcha. We got a couple technocrats in the mix. Jordan. I'll go first. My dad said Alex Jones has some good points. So I'm considering going no contact. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat and Peter and Wiley technocrats. Thank

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you so much. You're

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now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk. The amount of intelligent brilliant someone Someone saw tonight sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser. Little Katie baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

Dan (00:09:16.000)

Thank you. Oh,

Jordan (00:09:17.000)

yes. Thank you very much.

Dan (00:09:19.000)

So I've listened to a lot of Alex shows. I have heard that. Yeah. In the past. I've listened to quite a few. And this April 14 episode started. Like No Other that I think I've ever heard. Maybe if I'm sorry, what if I've heard something like this? i It's been so far in the past that I've forgotten about this. This was pretty funny. All right.

Alex Jones (00:09:43.000)

April 14 2023. I'm Alex Jones live from my car as we speak up pulling up in the studios.

Jordan (00:09:59.000)

You could knock All into work late if you're a live show, that's not fair.

Dan (00:10:03.000)

Well, certainly, I mean, it raises a lot of questions. The first is, why didn't they just air a special report? They could easily do that in the first five minutes of the show and then start at six after. Like, it's that chunk that isn't broadcast on a lot of the radio stations on right. So it's kind of just a forgotten zone. There's no reason for him to call in from his car and be like, Hey, guys, I'll be right there.

Jordan (00:10:27.000)

That's odd. That's odd. It's that I've done that so many times. Before I've done that. Sure. I'm gonna hate bus. I'm gonna be 15 minutes late this morning. Sorry, my bad. Hey,

Dan (00:10:35.000)

I'm on my way. And it's, that means I'm about to get in the shower. Maybe

Jordan (00:10:40.000)

a half hour, half hour. 45 minutes, max. Yeah, very

Dan (00:10:43.000)

strange, but I liked it.

Jordan (00:10:45.000)

I bet that that gives a certain urgency that I wasn't expecting. And I actually think that's a good way to start. For him.

Dan (00:10:53.000)

I was I was intrigued for maybe a minute after he got on the show. Yeah.

Alex Jones (00:11:00.000)

And speaking of AI, I just had a two plus hour. Great conversation with Tim Poole, who's here in Austin, Texas. Oh, with his morning popular podcast, and I'll be back with him tonight with his nighttime popular podcast. It's really hit podcast that the bulk of gas company like Joe Rogan's gonna be popping by says he is in there. So that should be that should definitely be interesting. There'll be some excerpts of that on the show, undoubtedly, Sunday. But wow. I gotta say, I've done a lot of podcasts. And I've done Tim cast five or six times, I think. But this was the best one. And this was one of the best podcasts I've ever been involved in two hours of breaking down the secrets of the New World War on the AI takeover battle. I definitely am gonna get some big excerpts of that podcast and Aaron, on the Sunday show.

Dan (00:11:59.000)

So now we know why he was late. Yeah, because he was recording another show. Yeah. And he's given himself a really good way to be like, stupid hungover and drunk all weekend at the Vulcan gas company and what have you just play all this shit on Sunday? Yep. Sweet. Yeah, yep. Yep. It's a light weekend.

Jordan (00:12:18.000)

Yeah, that's nice.

Dan (00:12:20.000)

So Tim Poole, as we've discussed is a bit of a shithead. And typically someone I'm not interested in at all, however, since we now see him, intersecting directly with Alex. So I thought it was a little bit of a good time to talk about what's going on right here. The first thing is that there was a festival over the weekend in Austin that was sponsored by minds, which is some kind of a competing Twitter app that I guess Tim Poole and his associates are really into and like the CEO of it is has been a guest on a bunch of stuff Tim pools

Jordan (00:12:47.000)

All right, it's mines mines mine desert with a D and an S with a DNS. Okay, yeah,

Dan (00:12:53.000)

like your head. Yeah, gotcha. So because Tim's really into this, his whole crew is in Austin and most of Tim's wack pack make up the panels for most of the festival, like that co host that he has who thought that yeh was right about Hitler, or our old friend Luke radowsky. For him, We Are Change. Hey, it's a knockout lineup of idiots. Yeah, simultaneously right now Tim is trying to rebrand for years. He's done Tim cast and Tim cast IRL, which are apparently two different shows had no idea Tim cast iRL is the one where there are guests and they sit in the studio and about 99% of the time. The guests are figures of the extreme right wing, and it features an incoherent panel discussion about right wing culture war obsession, right. All right. Tim cast on the other hand was his show where like Tim would just be by himself and he'd cold read news headlines and then riff about them.

Jordan (00:13:44.000)

Right trash, right. So it's Tim cast and then Tim cast ignorant racist losers. Yes, gotcha.

Dan (00:13:49.000)

It was a real like the Tim cast one where he's talking about news stories was a real clickbait esque game and the thumbnails for those videos were a constant source of criticism for him. He'd have attention grabbing announcements like quote Paul Pelosi attack story gets crazier as attackers son says maybe was sex slave. Or of course who could forget quote, Joe Rogan predicts GOP red wave as diesel shortage gets apocalyptic. If you scroll through his channel, you note notice that there's a near obsession with the coming Civil War, a coming nuclear world war and using the word apocalyptic very liberally, throw it around, everything is fucking apocalyptic. You know,

Jordan (00:14:28.000)

sometimes it can feel that way Emotionally, I can resonate with the feeling of apocalypse.

Dan (00:14:33.000)

And that's why you put in the clickbait headline you got resonates with you and like, maybe I'll click on this, see how apocalyptic it gets. That's how it works to trash show. And he probably wasn't bringing in the kind of revenue that Tim cast IRL was. So a couple months back, Tim decided that channel is done. He's done with that channel. And he's gonna start a secondary show. They're called the culture war, where he sits down with a single guest and pretends he's Joe Rogan Dom I guess his hook and what makes him do A friend is that he's going to have looser booking standards than someone like Joe. So you'll end up with some real shitheads sitting down with Tim Poole. Right, right. Alex was the guest on the eighth episode of that show, and up till that point he'd had some heavy hitters on. There was an episode with the former drummer of offspring who left the band over vaccination issues and then join Tim pools band.

Jordan (00:15:20.000)

I'm sorry, what? Yeah, wait, wait, we're the drummer from offspring. offspring. The offspring. I

Dan (00:15:27.000)

recall. Kids aren't. The Kids Are All Right. Yeah. Kids aren't all right. The offspring. Yeah. Okay. Keep them separated.

Jordan (00:15:34.000)

They broke up because he mountain play. He didn't like the band's vaccine stance.

Dan (00:15:42.000)

No, I think from what I understand, I don't know. I didn't ask him to get vaccinated. He was like, I'm leaving the band. I didn't dig too deeply into this. But from what I understand, his version of it is he had a medical reason why he couldn't get vaccinated. And there were too many issues with touring and accommodating unvaccinated persons. Sure. Sure band. So they were like, I don't know, it seems to me like if that were really the story, they would have been able to work that out. Right, right. Should be like maybe he's an asshole. Okay. So he's hanging out with Tim Poole and join Tim payment that kind of says, Yeah, I mean, it's definitely more circumstantial evidence.

Jordan (00:16:22.000)

I mean, let's put it this way. Okay. So if your argument is that the reason that I didn't go on tour with the band is because I can't get vaccinated. So it was either me not go on tour with the band or them get a giant plastic encasing that they can make up and then I'll be underneath at the entire time, like a bubble boy playing the drums

Dan (00:16:41.000)

or have like a, you know, a decent conversation with your bandmates that you've been together with for so long and just be like, I'll sit out this tour and I'll see you on the next one seems right. Not gonna replace you with the fill in drummer or whatever. Yeah, and I do love the playing the drum part from the kids aren't all right on Rock Band. I always love that. So maybe that maybe this guy and I are more connected than I think maybe

Jordan (00:17:05.000)

I just I just think that not going on one tour is not enough to just make you go well, I guess I'm a Nazi now.

Dan (00:17:13.000)

I don't know. I don't know what he is. A Nazi before. I don't know what his political views are. I didn't listen to that episode. That is just on to Bucha that's all. Fair enough. So Episode Four brought us someone named sovereign bra. BRH bra bra Come on. Brah.

Jordan (00:17:28.000)

Come on brah.

Dan (00:17:29.000)

I have Nobre I have no idea who he is. He's sovereign. I tried to figure it out. I have no idea who this dude, you can't really Google sovereign

Jordan (00:17:35.000)

bra. It's good branding sovereign bra.

Dan (00:17:39.000)

Episode Seven had Vivek Ramaswamy, who's that anti woke guy who was running for the GOP political nomination probably as a way to raise his profile and sell books. That makes sense. Interestingly, the guest on Episode Three was Damien Echols, who's one of the West Memphis Three. That's ironic because whether those guys were guilty or innocent, there's no denying that a contributing factor to their conviction was the atmosphere of the Satanic Panic and the idea that they'd killed those children in some sort of an unholy ritual. It's ironic that he's a guest on Tim Show, because Tim is part of a larger cultural movement that's trying its best to whip us all into another Satanic Panic. And no clear evidence of that is that he's having Alex Jones on his show for the eighth episode. What I'm saying is that in the world that Alex and Tim want to create, there'll be way more West Memphis threes. I got to thinking and Alex's description of this interview sounded great. It's one of his best ever.

Jordan (00:18:34.000)

Oh, God, he was late for work. Oh, no. Day on the app. Oh, no, I

Dan (00:18:38.000)

decided I couldn't pass it. Ah, oh, god dammit. Okay. All right, fine. Now, I will tell you that it was my sincere intention to cover this episode, and then get back to something else. Sure. But I couldn't I got sucked in. Oh, no,

Jordan (00:18:53.000)

it's his best interpack drowned in the pool. It's his best interview there's ever been. It's so good. Get. Get a pool full of water. And then you dive in. Yeah, he's Kendrick. Yeah.

Dan (00:19:04.000)

Pull up drink, because we're about to get into Tim pool. That's a good call. So here's where he started. This business like I heard this, and I was like, well, we're in for it.

Tim Poole (00:19:14.000)

But I'll actually we'll just we'll just get started. Waste no time. Budweiser, man. I want to start with this. Because we were talking before we press record on this show about, you know, Joe Rogan's on his show cracking a Bud Light with his buddies. And he was saying like, I don't understand. It's silly. It's goofy. So I was mentioning like, I just texted him. I was like, Look, Delon, Mulvaney is selling alcohol is marketing alcohol to children. So it's it's trans issues, and it's alcohol being marketed to children. So like, I'm not surprised people are pissed off about this, but you guys don't.

Alex Jones (00:19:47.000)

You just nailed it.

Dan (00:19:49.000)

Do you think that Joe's audience isn't also people who are under 18 He's marketing alcohol and weed to them. DMT i Oh, Jim Baker.

Jordan (00:19:57.000)

I'm so confused. I just don't know. Want to have this I don't want to talk about Bud Light.

Dan (00:20:02.000)

Yeah, I just don't I'm gonna I'm gonna breeze through this a little bit. Okay, some context to people who are listening okay are in the same boat as Oh good. So for the last what feels like a year the right wing media has been preoccupied with a tick tock creator named Dylan Mulvaney. Dylan is an actor and one of the reasons that she's come under attack is that she had a project where she made a daily post on like on tick tock that showed her transition. And it sort of was an attempt to demystify that whole thing and she should have a fun journey. Yeah, through that she's accrued millions of followers. I don't use tick tock so without people like Tim and Matt Walsh complaining about her nonstop I would have no idea who Dylan is. Earlier this month, Bud Light paid her for a promotional Instagram video, which made the right wing media lose their minds. They did the whole thing where they made videos boring out there, Bud Lights, Kid Rock tried to shoot cans of Bud Light and disgust and some weird scammy dude came out with a commercial for an anti woke beer. This was all in response to them not liking Bud Light working with a trans person as a spokesperson in a single video. It was clearly way overblown, and once the high of being mad about it wore off. I think folks like Tim, maybe feel a little embarrassed that they were that upset about a corporation making an ad? I would hope so. And that's why it makes sense that he would move the target. Now it's that Dylan is marketing beer to minors. That's the big issue. It's not just that she's trans. It's not bigotry, it's about law and public safety. It is probably true that a fair amount of Dylan's audience maybe under 18. But that doesn't mean that she can't do a single ad for a beer brand. Or if it does, then you know, it'd be really weird that the same criticism wasn't thrown at Justin Timberlake when he made a Bud Light platinum ad or Chris Pratt when he did a Michelob Ultra Super Bowl commercial or Sarah Jessica Parker when she did a Stella Artois commercial in character as Carrie Bradshaw or Brad Pitt when he did that Heineken commercial in 2005, when he was steady in heartthrob territory,

Jordan (00:21:58.000)

or Bob Dole when he did that Pepsi commercial with Britney Spears, and it made me think that he was the Jackie lating

Dan (00:22:04.000)

or Joe Rogan. And Alex when they get wasted on apple juice on his show. Yeah, that one makes more sense. All of these people have audiences that include a significant portion of people who are under the drinking age. And this isn't a problem for Tim nor for Alex because the idea that Dylan is selling beer to kids is not an actual complaint. It's a rationalization. They realize that they just look like idiots getting so upset about a popular trans creator doing a beer ad so they need to justify it in some way. That makes it look less silly than it is now after the fact. And that's that's kind of why I was delighted but to hear Tim trying to do this shit at the beginning of the show. It's pathetic. Really,

Jordan (00:22:40.000)

that's that's gonna be where you go. That's he brainstormed that. That That took a while to get to Yeah, that took a while to

Dan (00:22:49.000)

get to probably had a whole team on it. Yeah. Without ski the brain trust. How

Jordan (00:22:53.000)

do we not sound like fucking idiots? Yes, guys. We

Dan (00:22:56.000)

really whiffed on this really whiffed on this people are really making fun of us.

Jordan (00:23:00.000)

We're mad about a beer commercial. Are we going to do that again?

Dan (00:23:03.000)

Apparently Jesus Christ, Apparently so. So Alex, you know we get into this. So how are you doing Alex? What's going on? And he gets a little Dickensian. Best of time. Sure. Worst. Okay.

Tim Poole (00:23:16.000)

How are you doing, Alex? Good to be here. What's been going on? And what's how's life? What are you working on?

Alex Jones (00:23:23.000)

You know, my life overall is better than it's ever been and worse than it's ever been. It's kind of best of times, worst of times. And really, I just feel fulfilled and like I've kind of completed my main mission. Because back when I was first on air 2829 years ago, there was only old military guys and former FBI agents like Ted Gunderson, they were talking about the New World Order, maybe 1% knew about it. And now I watched the World Government forum in Dubai, with Klaus Schwab and Elon Musk, saying world governments bad. We don't want one centralized civilization that'll destroy innovation and crush society. And then I see Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Talking about there's been a globalist New World Order coup, through the bureaucracy through the corporations over our life and Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and just bait and somebody's missing Matt gates and just basically everybody Bolsonaro I feel like somebody's missing the new leader in Sweden, someone's missing leader in Italy, you turn on the new leaders. Woman sounds like a knockout shows 25 years ago and so there's a real satisfaction in that

Dan (00:24:27.000)

Alex's right and some unfortunate ways Yeah, he's also way off. Yeah. Early on in his career, it was very rare to see someone repeating John Birch Society nonsense outside of a very small group who were pretty uniformly understood to be idiots by the mainstream Roche people were aware of them and had rightly written them off. Nowadays, there are a ton more people who sound like JBS idiots and a large part of that is that I think that a lot of the mainstream population is mostly forgotten about who the JBS are and where their ideas emanate from but people have forgotten its generation They don't understand that that brand of right wing politics is designed to enter a fascist state, and that the political ideology was created by captains of industry to serve their corporate interests. And so you hear a lot more people who sound like Alex, because of course you do. People have forgotten that this should stupid. I mean,

Jordan (00:25:17.000)

yeah, it's like saying, Oh, man back in back in 1937, you didn't get a lot of people saying that billionaires were the best people on the planet, you know, somehow in 1925, there were so many people excited about billionaires. It's so weird how that changes.

Dan (00:25:32.000)

I'm sure people like Bolsonaro and Orban sound like Alex and as much as they're pretty explicit about their bigotries and their desire to crush opposition. Bolsonaro is a newer leader, but like Orban has been Prime Minister since 2010. And He previously served at the same position from 1998 to 2002. He was Hungary's Prime Minister 20 years ago, and that time when Alex claims no one was like him, also last year or Bonn gave a speech where he explicitly opposed race mixing. So if Alex wants to associate with that tells you a whole bunch about where he's coming from. And 20 years ago, Putin was in charge in Russia. So Alec should have been thrilled about that. Except that 20 years ago, Alex knew that Putin blew up those apartment buildings and he thought that Putin was a real bad dude. Well, I'm sure that Alex would have liked Belarus's dictator, ruler Lukashenko for sure. He certainly likes him now, so why not back when he was in his prime, so weird, so weird. The Italian leader Alex Assange sounds like him is Giorgia Maloney, who was formerly a member of the youth front, which was the young person's version of the Italian social movement, the Neo fascist party established to carry on the legacy of Mussolini. Hey, good. She's now part of the brothers of Italy party, which includes a whole lot of those holdover fascists, but she's trying to, you know, appeal to more moderate voters by not saying that the party has a bunch of fascists in it.

Jordan (00:26:48.000)

I appreciate the the willingness to both out and out, say all of your fascist policies, while at the same time being like, Hey, hold on, hold on, you

Dan (00:26:57.000)

appeal to people, we're not

Jordan (00:26:58.000)

fascists. And that's all. Oh, you have to do is be like, whoa, whoa, I don't like you using the

Dan (00:27:05.000)

word fascist about us. Fair enough. Recently, Maloney has been on a crusade against LGBTQ parents going so far as quote, stripping same sex couples of recognition as parents also threatening their access to benefits and child care services. This stuff follows the same attack pattern that we see in the United States with folks like Alex where a vulnerable group is targeted and their rights come under question, but the people who want to strip them of those rights pretend that they're doing it to defend the family or the children. Patriotism may be the last refuge of the scoundrel but pretending you're doing things for the children is the refuge these shitheads use most readily. You can even see that with Tim's post hoc rationale for his Dylan Mulvaney shit, this is where you go. And it's just like, ah, the

Jordan (00:27:46.000)

Oh, Won't somebody think of the children? Right? Won't somebody think of the children? That's just a load of shit? All those unborn babies that we want to starve when they're alive? Oh, why won't someone think of the children starving for us? Oh,

Dan (00:28:01.000)

doesn't doesn't serve this quite the same narrative doesn't really. So. This is Alex. Tim Poole. Luke radowsky. Is there from We Are Change Alex's old buddy. Yeah. And some other guy. Sure. I don't remember who the other guy is. I don't care.

Jordan (00:28:17.000)

I'm telling you trapdoors, we just need trap doors all the time everywhere needs trap doors.

Dan (00:28:21.000)

I think I think that Tim would keep all these people in the room, which is the problem the trapdoor

Jordan (00:28:26.000)

wouldn't help. I need to control trap doors and create them with my mind is what you're describing. Yeah.

Dan (00:28:32.000)

I mean, if you wanted to have any effect, that would be what would be the smart move. So Tim, is he has a Alex Jones hashtag Alex Jones was right. I'm all

Tim Poole (00:28:40.000)

mad. can remember. It wasn't this time, we flew in Austin. But we were flying somewhere. And you see all the signs of where it's like get your real Id get your REAL ID and I was like, I remember watching Alex Jones like a really long time ago. And he was like people listen to us or come in and I'm like

Luke Rudkowski (00:28:55.000)

metal, he was arrested. That was went to the DMV and you're like, I'm not signing up for your REAL ID totalitarian hellscape

Alex Jones (00:29:03.000)

as a 1997.

Luke Rudkowski (00:29:06.000)

Yeah, you were arrested. Because you're like, This is all about centralization of power and force. And they were doing this

Alex Jones (00:29:11.000)

looks so good back then.

Dan (00:29:14.000)

So that other voice that was talking is Luke radowsky. So you can keep track of all right, Alex didn't get arrested at the DMV, he made a huge scene because he didn't want to give a thumbprint and he was asked to leave. He's admitted on his show that he returned later to the DMV to give a print so he could get his license, which he very wisely didn't film for his documentary sense. Oh, kind of make his conviction that he was pretending to have when the crowd was around look like it was fake. And it was an act. Yeah, because it was faking an act. It was the real ID thing isn't really as much of a genius prediction for Alex as Tim is pretending. The REAL ID Act passed Congress in 2005, and it was an updating of the ID protocols after 911. The idea was to make IDs much harder to falsify, and share databases between states to make investigations run much smoother. It was up to the states to make their systems compliant, which they all have, and the only territory is that isn't fully on board as American Samoa. The reason you see those signs at the airport that says like, Hey, you should get a Real ID. It's because the deadline for airports to only accept REAL ID compliant IDs is 2025. Okay, so it's coming up and they're giving you a warning. Do Do I already have one? Probably. Okay. Yeah. Mistakes, ID is probably here's,

Jordan (00:30:23.000)

here's the issue. Here's an issue, if it's a huge problem, and I don't even know about it. It's not that big of a problem.

Dan (00:30:30.000)

Probably not. Yeah. And even if it's not, it'll like if you just whenever your ID expires, like yeah, go get a new ID, and it'll automatically be. It's not, it's not difficult. Yeah, I would say that most people already have real IDs, and they don't even really, I mean, it doesn't really,

Jordan (00:30:47.000)

I get so frustrated when these people get so angry about the real live version of a fucking Apple Terms and Conditions agreement that you click every fucking day.

Dan (00:30:58.000)

Yeah, well, but here's the thing. Like there's been a lot of debate surrounding this Real ID stuff. There's complaints coming from both sides of the aisle. The right wing complaints are usually these dystopian conspiracies about how the man is trying to track and trace everyone. But there are complaints that are typically more grounded based of the mark. Like how the requirements that real ID puts into place for issuing an ID. It has an increased burden on asylum seekers and refugees who might not be able to provide all the necessary documents to prove their identity fair under the new system. So there are issues that need to be ironed out with the way that this system is set up. So there are complaints that can be made, but the ones a year from people like Alex are just stupid, right? Right. So Tim is describing a passport. A real ID is not a North American ID it's issued by a US state. His passport allows him to travel internationally, not just to Canada or Mexico. It appears the Tim may have a passport card that he's describing, which is different. It's an alternative to the book version that you can opt for. The passport card itself only allows for land and sea port border crossings with Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, and countries in the Caribbean. It's a cheaper alternative for folks who make frequent land and sea border crossings. But this doesn't seem right for Tim since he's talking about air travel. His passport card doesn't apply to international air travel. I don't know what he's talking about. But whatever it is, it's kind of off base. Yeah,

Jordan (00:32:19.000)

yeah, we got to deal with the passport somehow. We got to deal with it. I love the passport. Maids great favorite thing. Yeah, the most terrifying thing to hold in my entire life. Just having the passport and then traveling with the concept of losing the passport in the back of my mind at times

Dan (00:32:37.000)

there was stranded there was a period of time where I had lost my ID and so like my passport was what I used at bar right right off and that was I never actually had the same fear as you I thought it was totally fine. Oh, weirded out some doorman if you're

Jordan (00:32:51.000)

if you're No, no, if you're in a different country, though, and the idea of losing your passport means you're trapped and you have to go to the consulate or something like that. Yeah, go to the Social Security office and your man, it's a nightmare to imagine it's a nightmare. I would prefer some sort of tattoo on my hand that I could just scan a barcode on. Well, Tim's gonna have a problem with that. I can see that yeah, I already have a tattoo on my hand though, so it doesn't really bother me that much.

Dan (00:33:20.000)

So a fair amount of conversation ends up happening surrounding Bitcoin. Sure. About it might be a Trojan horse. Oh, yeah. Tim is a little bit wary of Bitcoin. And then Alex tells a story about Max Keiser sure

Tim Poole (00:33:34.000)

if I was a globalist cabal and I wanted to create a one world currency or a new form of currency that everyone in the world would use the first group I'd have to convince to use it are the right wing conspiracy people or the the anti war leftist people the anti establishment people get them to think this is their path towards free and

Alex Jones (00:33:52.000)

I'm not saying that Max Keiser is some secret agent the New World Order but he's top stockbroker knows the sorrows is all them. And he's a friend of mine. I like him but in 2010 was a 2009 We were in Watford, England, Wofford England

Luke Rudkowski (00:34:07.000)

here were their cows there tell you during the military meeting,

Alex Jones (00:34:10.000)

and he comes into the hotel one morning we're not to build of our hotel it shut down our hotel, and he goes Listen, who's your IT guy and I go well, I brought a guy that's a driver and I brought Rob dudes a camera guy and I brought me in negative. I barely know how to you know, do some internet but I don't know what it what a wallet is. He goes I want I've got a digital currency wallet. It's Bitcoin. It's gonna be the future. I'm gonna give you know, he says this is just true stories that I know. I want to give you 10,000 of these. I want you to give away half of them. Keep the rest of yourself believe is the most important thing you ever do in your life. And he was going to be interviewed by that day he got so mad. He refused to interview with me. When I didn't take the time and couldn't figure it out. He literally never got mad at me the many times he literally is like eff this You're an idiot and basically stormed off. Now a couple days later he was being interviewed by some guy that interviewed a taxi cab Listen, come over I'll do the interview. Now we did it but he literally turned red and blew up because he should have kicked my ass you should have said you're taking this You son of a match. I wish you would have punched me in the nose and said, You know I can they live but the damn glasses on like, because at its peak, I think it was worth like 600 million or something

Tim Poole (00:35:15.000)

60,000 per coin. So let's just see at its peak, but let's just do some quick

Alex Jones (00:35:21.000)

this was real because he was hanging out everywhere. And I think he's central in the whole deal. Like who gave him? That word is he's got billions.

Dan (00:35:29.000)

So I guess Max Keiser is part of a grand conspiracy and at the center of Bitcoin, but also, I mean, Alex, even if you had $600 million, you still owe 900 million. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's crazy to think about this fantasy of these Bitcoins that he could have had sold at its peak. And it's like, well, you're still deep underwater.

Jordan (00:35:47.000)

Yeah. Yeah, man, the fantasy of $600 million being 1/3 of your way out of debt. That's, that's big. That's I mean, honestly, that is, that is almost as impressive as having a billion dollars is losing it.

Dan (00:36:08.000)

Yeah. Yeah. I

Jordan (00:36:09.000)

mean, in a sense, well, no,

Dan (00:36:10.000)

let me let me clarify. Sure. I think it losing it in one fell swoop. Sure. Yes. Yeah. You could lose a billion dollars over the course of a number of bad decisions. For sure. In one Cabal, one go. It's very, very tough to beat. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I think the story about Max Keiser is possibly true. It seems fairly 10,000 seems high. But then again, back in 2009, that was like, right when Bitcoin launched and they were worth

Jordan (00:36:41.000)

nothing knows point. 003 cents or something? Yeah, no, if he had 10,000 of them, it was over pennies. Sure. Sure. Sure. But I mean, yeah, that's that's billions of dollars. No, that's that's millions of dollars. Billions of dollars right now. Yeah.

Dan (00:36:54.000)

Yeah. No, winter was at its peak, for sure. Yeah. Back then. I could see like, you could probably have 10,000 of them. And it's maybe like 20 bucks or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Weird. I don't think Alex would have sat on him. No. Tiller for 2009 to like when it was at its peak, like, couple years back?

Jordan (00:37:14.000)

No, it was at its peak, six or eight months ago? No. Yeah. So it reached its peak a while back. And then. So here's what happened. All right, looking it up. It reached its peak a while back. And then Peter Thiel and his group looked into FTX, quote, unquote, and then revealed that FTX was a complete bullshit scam. Right? It's all a lie. And then Bitcoin tanked, along with all the other crypto coins.

Dan (00:37:39.000)

I'm looking at a peak of the this November 2021.

Jordan (00:37:47.000)

Yeah. Something like that. Couple months ago, FTX. When did the

Dan (00:37:52.000)

I think that was more recently that was definitely more recent than 2021.

Jordan (00:37:56.000)

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, that's when it collapsed from its all time high. But you know, and it was sticking around up in the 50s, or whatever around them. And then it collapsed down to less than 20 for a while. Yeah. And now it's back up over 30 in

Dan (00:38:10.000)

late to late 2022. Who's down in the teens? Yeah. And then yeah, now we have it around 30 In April, and then the

Jordan (00:38:19.000)

Silicon Valley Bank thing collapsed. And that's when Bitcoin started going up again, because people were like, ah, banks are the ones that are the scams. It's not Bitcoin. It's the banks.

Dan (00:38:31.000)

I don't think that it hit its peak around a couple of months ago or FTX. Time.

Jordan (00:38:35.000)

I mean, I'm saying that around FTX time, it was way up over, like 40 or something like that.

Dan (00:38:44.000)

I don't know. Okay, okay. I'm looking at my timeline here. No, because this isn't November 2022. When there's articles about the the FTX collapse? Yeah. But that was when it was in the teens. That was when it was at its lowest. It was not

Jordan (00:39:01.000)

into the teens until FTX. collapsed. Hmm,

Dan (00:39:05.000)

this is not a good use of our time. Nope. Anyway, maybe it's Trojan horse. So they get on to talking about the social credit score. It's about time Yeah, two months, some interesting ideas about how this will play out. And by interesting ideas. I'm not being serious.

Tim Poole (00:39:22.000)

I don't think the social credit score is going to be the way people described it, where it's like, you go to 711 with your credit card and you're like, let me get to steak and cheese tuxedos and a pack of Marlboro reds, and they go, okay, swipe your card, and you swipe and it goes rant, I'm sorry, your social credit score, your your carbon footprint, you know, it's going to happen is that if your social credit score, credit score is bad, you're gonna go to the grocery store and get milk, bread and eggs, it's gonna be $150. That's it. And you're, they're not going to tell you it's just going to be like, milk.

Alex Jones (00:39:52.000)

So not only have you seen in China, they already they already run TV ads, explaining where the guy goes up to get an airline ticket with his wife and child's gonna go, no, no, no, you know you are bad. And then it goes down the line when you go to a sports game, trying to get on a bus trying to get a hotel at

Luke Rudkowski (00:40:07.000)

speed internet, children hears that. So that's a big one.

Tim Poole (00:40:10.000)

The reason I don't think it'll be like that is that it's too overt and can lead to unrest. Wow, if brilliant have a bad credit score, let's say Luke's got a good social credit score, and you've got a bad social credit score, you both grab the same bottle of Coke from the fridge for Luke with a good credit score, it's $3, for you at six. And what that does is it creates economic pressure, where people who are bad struggle and have a hard time gaining influence. This makes it subtle,

Alex Jones (00:40:37.000)

you're totally right, just like YouTube deems. It just makes you submit

Dan (00:40:42.000)

getting demonetized on YouTube isn't a social credit score. That's a reflection that your content is not in line with what YouTube advertisers want to attach their ads to. Yeah, that's just the free market and action. Or at least that's how Alex and Tim should see it. YouTube is too big of a company to handle ads being bought individually, according to channels, so they sell advertising time is a big chunk, the advertisers trust that YouTube isn't going to show their ad on a video that's denying the Holocaust, for instance, and thereby taking payments that the company made to YouTube and funneling it to a Holocaust denier in the form of ad revenue. That's not a social credit score, although perhaps it's a consequence. And that's basically what these shitheads mean, when they say social credit score. Yeah, I'm gonna leave China kind of alone, because there's a murky territory with the idea of their social credit system is there is some stuff that is goes on there. The reason I don't want to get too deep into it is because in China, there's a government version, and then their corporate private versions of social credit scores. And they're often just rolled into one which is said to be run by the government they can. People like Alex conflate a ton of this stuff share, the government version is meant to consolidate credit profiles for individuals to make dealing with credit scores and lending more efficient, whereas many of the private versions involve giving people social scores based on choice. Yeah, gotcha. That second version isn't really any different than how like Lyft and Uber have passenger scores. And if you do something really egregious in someone's car, you're probably gonna have your score, go way down and be blacklisted from the app or drivers will just not accept your request. Yeah, your choices give you a score, and they can choose to do business with you or not. Right. So I mean, like, on some level that is already there, in terms of, like companies making it a choice to implement, share, share, share, share, and in the form of that it exists in terms of Uber and Lyft. I mean, maybe there's an abuse here or there of it, but for the most part, it's about protecting the person who's allowing you into their car. Yeah, to be driven around, it's protecting the worker. And I think there's something find about that. Now, the government version there in China also has like, you know, if you owe the government money, or things like that, they can, you know, make it so it's more difficult for you to get a loan and stuff, right until you pay them back their money. And there are instances where people have oppressive fines by the government just on social things that they do, like criticisms of the government. I'm not saying that it's like a purely non socially related thing. In some, some senses, but the way that this is discussed by people like Alex and Tim is just nonsensical, and it goes nowhere. Yeah, that sounds about right. As for Tim's fantasy about coke costing double, if you're a bad boy, that's pretty stupid. It would never work with two individuals paying different amounts for the same thing at the same place. And it's not like you say that it would be like, you couldn't do one version because it's too overt. But this would be subtle, somehow.

Jordan (00:43:43.000)

I mean, imagine you had a friend who was in Tim pools mind a complete asshole, right? And you were going, Hey, let's go down to the shop, I gotta get some stuff. And you and your friend go and you get it for $3. And your friend is asked to pay six, right? Your friend would naturally be like, Why am I being asked to pay sick, right? And they say, Well, it's because of the social credit score. And all of a sudden, this subtlety that Tim Poole is so excited about becomes extremely over,

Dan (00:44:07.000)

you know, one of the primary features at stores, he's labeled prices, you got it, how would it would it say $3? For good people, six

Jordan (00:44:15.000)

is not very overboard. Now we live in a world where you don't know what anything is going to cost when you go somewhere seems

Dan (00:44:24.000)

stupid. All right. So like that doesn't make sense if it's the same product at the same place two different people, right, except for medications, I guess, depending on people's insurance coverage, which could arguably seen as social credit score, but that arguments a little thin, I don't want to get lost in the weeds. In reality, this dynamic already kind of exists, but it exists in food deserts, primarily affecting poor communities. There are no grocery stores nearby and the places that do sell food have less unprocessed food and typically higher prices. 2021 report by the Social Policy Lab cited figures that milk prices tend to be If percent higher in food deserts and things like cereal 25%, higher,

Jordan (00:45:04.000)

it costs so much to be broke.

Dan (00:45:06.000)

I wonder if Tim or Alex is spending any time screaming about the unequal access to food in food deserts? I imagine not. Probably. But there are these fun fantasies about coke costing double if the government doesn't like you. Yeah. So that's, that's more fun to talk about, though.

Jordan (00:45:21.000)

Yeah, I mean, it is it is so easy to discuss and enjoy the discussion of the oncoming oppression that you will never experience

Dan (00:45:32.000)

your poorly written Black Mirror episode. Yeah,

Jordan (00:45:35.000)

that's way more fun than being like, maybe we should do something for the people that are being oppressed. Yeah.

Dan (00:45:40.000)

And recognizing that like, oh, the you know, there are more grocery stores being made. But they're in places where there already are grocery stores, maybe we should affect some change in the distribution of them.

Jordan (00:45:53.000)

Yeah, they're not going to go there

Dan (00:45:55.000)

now. But Alex says something dumb to say, Sure.

Alex Jones (00:45:58.000)

How frustrating is it when you're surfing the internet, and in a pre roll ad plays on some weird platform, like a local news station, you can't find the ad again. Okay, so about a month ago, I'm up at night. And I just click on something, and it runs local Texas ads for Randalls grocery stores. And I'm meant to go on their site and get this and find it, but I never did it. But I saw it and it's a real 32nd ad. And they said, make good choices on what you eat and what you do, and to help the environment and other social causes. Use the Randles app and get big discounts for for purchasing things that are good. I mean, if there was a literally a social credit score, add what you just said, if you buy the right things, and you're a good person, we're gonna give you discounts.

Dan (00:46:39.000)

Yep. To these guys really not understand that what they're describing has nothing to do with the government social credit score. That's what they're supposed to be fear mongering about not local grocery chains deciding to run a loyalty program that gives discounts I

Jordan (00:46:52.000)

mean, that if if the if Randles was like, Hey, here's our coupon for 15% off type in social credit score of 15. Maybe

Dan (00:47:04.000)

that's absurd. Yeah, like Alex is like the type of guy who's gonna fuck around and say those subway stamp card, social credit score.

Jordan (00:47:11.000)

Oh, every 11 itself is free use social credit score, motherfucker, I can only get the stamps if I never eat fresh.

Dan (00:47:20.000)

Oh, God. Like they should be fine with this. It's a company choosing to do it. Do Alex and Tim want the government to outlaw businesses being able to offer discounts to people who buy healthy food.

Jordan (00:47:32.000)

This is confusing. I mean, I don't know. So Randles

Dan (00:47:35.000)

has a program called Randles. For you, which is just a customer loyalty program. They give you a free item each month, they give you a birthday treat, and it tracks your purchases. So you can get deals on the things that you buy the most right, you get a point for each dollar you spend and then you get a reward for each 100 points, these rewards pile up and three of them can be exchanged for $4 off your next total five rewards gets you $7 off and so on. Right no involvement of like social credit score. They're just basic as loyalty. For example,

Jordan (00:48:03.000)

Casey's cut out the cardboard coupon you'll get yourself a goddamn free pizza.

Dan (00:48:09.000)

Yeah. rambles also has a health app. It's called sincerely health. And it's a food and exercise type tracker, you can get your steps in and whatever you you can use that app and earn points which do translate to rewards but you don't get them from buying healthy foods or being involved in the causes or whatever your points by setting a goal and achieving it like hitting your steps for the day and that kind of thing, right? You get points. And then those can be redeemed for coupons. This also is not a social credit score. And obviously, I can't prove it. But I would suspect that all of the coupons you can earn on there are things that you could find on your own if you put a little bit of work into it. I've seen an episode of Extreme couponing. I'm sure these people could get to the bottom of it, you better believe it. This is just a fun way to like dry and gamify health and encourage good habits. I don't understand what the fuck they're upset about. I

Jordan (00:48:57.000)

mean, that's it. That's probably a good program for them. I mean, a lot of most people want to behave in a more healthy manner. And they're few options of like, motivation that aren't like, oh, this also sucks. Yeah, so at least maybe getting 5% off on a fucking Apple is good. Now

Dan (00:49:15.000)

hear me out on that. What do you got? I was thinking of a conspiracy. Okay, think of a way that I can make this a conspiracy? I want to hear it. All right. Healthy food is more expensive than junk food. Sure. So these people have an incentive to get you to want to buy healthy food because then the grocery store makes more right. So they have an app that encourages healthiness because they know they're going to make a couple extra bucks if they can sucker you in to be unhealthy, right? That was the best I could do in terms of a conspiracy. It's not good, but it's better than this bullshit.

Jordan (00:49:45.000)

I guess my question is, do they sell bed light? That's the only real question I have for anybody now. I didn't look it up. Look, it's inner out time. One or the other. Either you're pro or con boy pants. Yeah, it's big boy pants

Dan (00:49:57.000)

time. I think I saw that they do sell that anti welcome. Stupid

Jordan (00:50:06.000)

Oh my god.

Dan (00:50:07.000)

So Aleksa got to banked something. Sure. And he talks about that a little bit here. And I also don't think he got too backed.

Alex Jones (00:50:14.000)

And he was already indexes that these groups that then create the number and I learned about it was given secret documents three years ago by literally a banker shaking, and I showed it to a law firm in DC. And they actually contacted them and said, Take this off, and they said, screw you go ahead and sue us and this company, and then they delete a company based in Boston, it's the CIA. And so

Tim Poole (00:50:36.000)

and what are they doing? What

Alex Jones (00:50:37.000)

is it? Like what is? Well, I don't even want to say the name because they asked, my lawyers asked me not to, but we confirm the documents. But I suddenly got D banked everywhere. And I had like perfect credit, never had loans had like, point 2% chargebacks. You know, we ran stuff really good at infowar store. It has been there for you know, 20 years before that at the time. And so finally, we were going out trying to go to banks, and there's this big bank actually came and met with makers, the guy's a Lister. And he said, listen, they put watermarks on this, every one we get sent is coded to us. He was I can't give this to you can only write down these names. But it showed a graph and all the scores, and it was printed out. Okay. It was like putting out like a big printout long he laid it on the table would let me take photos of it. But he said, here's the group out of Boston, they put the report and that goes into all these other databases. Here, you were previously with a score of 98 point, whatever, which is, by the way, there's almost no one has that. That's why it's such a low credit card, right, like a one and a half percent processing. good ratings. Absolutely. It was almost like platinum. But it said one rating by this group out of Massachusetts. And it went it's like a gauge 98 to 14% in the red for one designation, hate and that one designation in the code. And then it shows all these other codes that didn't. Because it was it was a printout of computer interface. It's like I wasn't able to click on all the data dashboard. But I mean, this is what's going on with

Dan (00:52:06.000)

man that's so weird. Alex's credit score shot up like three years ago was that maybe around the time that the Sandy Hook cases were gone to court became super apparent that he was going to lose those cases. Yeah, he's getting sanctioned all over the place. I wonder if that any any connection? Probably not. It was probably some weird Boston CIA connection that a mysterious banker listener informed Alex about

Jordan (00:52:26.000)

see what you're missing is the context. All right. He can't say the name because they're notoriously litigious and it is the CIA, but it's the Carfax intelligence agency. And he has been he's really been given out shit cars left and right. Oh, he's just terrible.

Dan (00:52:42.000)

So there were many instances in that clip. And I if you want to go back and listen for this, Alex refuses to give specifics, or he goes out of his way to explain why he can't prove any of his claims. This is a red flag. Yeah, couldn't name the company.

Jordan (00:52:58.000)

Lawyers. Maybe lawyers should listen as we know he listens to the lawyer's advice all the time. Yeah.

Dan (00:53:04.000)

Unfortunately, in his insistence on giving explanations for his lack of evidence, Alex ends up contradicting himself in his own story. He claims that this banker showed him a document which he was not allowed to take or even make photographs of. But earlier in the story, he claimed that he took these secret documents to his lawyer who contacted the company and decided they weren't going to change the designations like come sue us. Yeah, the DC law firm. Yeah. So I mean, he said that he took the documents. Yep. So did he did he not? None of this happened? No. In 2019, there was a big to do about Chase Bank closing the accounts of proud boys like Enrique TARIO. It was all the rage to claim that you were facing D banking oppression as it signaled that the establishment was really out to get you. However, after Michelle Malkin tweeted out an article about tarios account, Chase bank actually responded and said, quote, Hi, Michelle, this article is inaccurate. We did not close his personal account, we do not close counts based on political affiliation. If I had to guess what was going on, this was an account that was a proud boys account, which happened to have tarios name on it, which the bank decided violated their standards. Banks should not be moral arbiters. But at the same time, they should be able to refuse to associate with groups that are clearly raising money to fund hate and violence. Yeah,

Jordan (00:54:17.000)

I think if I think if everybody was like, why is Why is Al Qaeda still banking with Chase? Look, we

Dan (00:54:23.000)

don't make moral judge. Hey, Matt,

Jordan (00:54:24.000)

what are your political leanings? Are we going to do that now? Come on, man. Yeah, exactly.

Dan (00:54:29.000)

In the area of the right wing, that Alex exists in something like having a bank blacklist you as a badge of honor. So ever since this mess with the proud boys, he's been claiming that he was involved too, but he's never provided any evidence of this. And if the stuff that you're seeing in the bankruptcy case tells you anything, he has no problem opening a bunch of bank accounts. I don't think anything Alex is saying here seriously, but banks should be careful when they engage in closing of accounts to make sure that they're not doing it for inappropriate reasons. And I think that there's oversight as far as that goes, Yeah, So it's fun story though this banker shaking document.

Jordan (00:55:03.000)

Yeah, that is nice. I do like to work erred banker I mean, I'm confused as to why the bankers deepthroating while still holding these papers that he's shaking, you know and careful how you phrase that don't bet don't don't take a picture of this right? Like, well then did just take a picture now like quick ha snapped it. Yeah, your whole plane is gone or Hey,

Dan (00:55:27.000)

Dick. I'm taking them. Yeah, I'm bigger than you and you're just a banker. Yeah.

Jordan (00:55:39.000)

These are the most important document.

Dan (00:55:42.000)

Finance, they're very important. Yeah, I'm going to take this because it unveils a massive conspiracy of CIA rigging of bank accounts.

Jordan (00:55:51.000)

It's his responsibility as Alex Jones to wrestle those documents away and then be willing to accept the consequences for

Dan (00:55:58.000)

it and banker. I'll try to protect you as best I can. But if your collateral damage today, like I'm sorry,

Jordan (00:56:04.000)

like, I care anyways, you're a fucking banker. Like, why would Alex Jones sovereign citizen adjacent dude be like, I gotta protect this

Dan (00:56:11.000)

banker? Well, it means what he should do. Yeah. So this next clip, Tim has an analogy. And here's one of the things that I noticed on listening to the show, I just listened to a lot of Tim Poole, let's say I've dipped in the pool a little bit. Sure. But like, he's not good with thinking, right? Some of the things he says don't make a whole lot of sense, right. And I kind of somewhat get the points he's trying to make. But then I also think he gets lost in some of the weeds of, of metaphor and analogy.

Jordan (00:56:43.000)

All right. So here's what I'm seeing. All right, I'm seeing that you dipped your toe into the shallow end of the pool. Right. But because you will be on shallow that's what you didn't find out until just now. Yeah, the whole pool is. There's not a lot of water. Gotcha. All right.

Alex Jones (00:56:59.000)

And people need to know you're the target. It's not Alex Jones. It's not Tim Poole. No, all of us are the target of this nevermind, takeover.

Luke Rudkowski (00:57:06.000)

We're just getting in the way. We're just this

Tim Poole (00:57:08.000)

is the first ones to get hit. This is the way I explain it. Alex, you have any chickens by chance?

Alex Jones (00:57:13.000)

No, but I've heard your chicken analogy. And I've seen your chickens. So well, what

Tim Poole (00:57:16.000)

chicken analogy. They want the guns because there was a call I use and one is imagine you're trying to go pick up the eggs from your chickens. And one day you walk in and the roosters are armed. And they don't let you take those eggs. You're going to be rightly pissed off and say when to figure out how to get these guns away from these roosters. And obviously roosters don't have guns. But what they do is what they do Saturday, the Spurs roosters as they get older, they grow large keratin spikes on their legs that they can stab you with. And so what do people do? They will come incapacitate the rooster and then take pliers and snap the Spurs off their legs, which is very painful and brutal. I won't do it to my roosters. And that way they can't spur you when you're going in to collect eggs.

Alex Jones (00:57:58.000)

Well you get spurred you might do it. I've been around chickens, family farms. I've not been hit by one. But yes, sometimes a rooster has been nice to hear for years. We'll be sitting on a fence post his pitch in the facials firm. So then then he's going in the pot. My buddy just killed.

Tim Poole (00:58:13.000)

I take a different view. I mean, honestly, I've seen a lot of people kill roosters, because they get too aggressive. But like my thing is, you know, the roosters can do their business, we have an easy way to collect the eggs. I'm not worried about it. So if we got a good rooster who's protecting the hens like I'm not there to do their business. But back to the analogy. We as the American people are one of the only countries in the planet that have a constitutionally protected right to defend ourselves from anything enemies, foreign and domestic criminals to tyranny.

Dan (00:58:41.000)

So I don't really get this analogy. I'm confused. He started off with the bass line. We're the chickens right so we know that we have that bit of the cipher.

Jordan (00:58:50.000)

I don't feel like that's where we ended up. No, we are not the chickens in this analogy at the end.

Dan (00:58:55.000)

We took too many trips through literal chicken stuff. Yeah. And where's the literal? Where's the figurative? It's very messy.

Jordan (00:59:03.000)

Okay, so imagine we're chickens. Yes. And you're go and somehow there is another person we are do not know in the metaphor the

Dan (00:59:12.000)

person who's coming to get the eggs right I think is the government okay, maybe a thief could be anything but it's something it's bad. It's it's a robbery, enemy foreign and domestic. Your eggs are your things. Right? Right. Yes. And so this other force is coming in to take the things chickens don't have guns, but they have spurs. Right. So the spurs the Second Amendment? Sure right. Your ability to defend yourself against these people who are coming to take your egg. Sure. What is happening?

Jordan (00:59:39.000)

I mean, I guess he's happy that we have guns,

Dan (00:59:43.000)

and that's why he allows his chickens to have spurs.

Jordan (00:59:46.000)

I don't understand why we got literal there because his analogy seemed to be like Oh, see, this is the thing that people don't have but then he was like, ah, but actually all roosters are armed like it's I'm it's very weird. I mean, maybe in this metaphor, what he's actually saying is that we need to get back to the basics and learn how to fight with our nails and teeth. Get into it, because why would you want a rooster with a gun? They don't know how to use it. What if the safety still on the wrist or doesn't have the capability to turn the safety off? No, that's what he's teaching us is we need to be more like the rooster. Hmm, that sounds right. I mean, look, I think

Dan (01:00:25.000)

I think there's something to this. And joke's on him. Because I've been growing a sperm for the last five years, you do need him on the field. So like, also, I was thinking about this and like, the eggs that are taken aren't fertilized usually. And so they're gonna become chicks at all right? Useless to the chicken itself, right. And even if you do take it away, the hens gonna produce another egg tomorrow. And it's not like the chickens gonna eat that. So if we're the chicken, and we're conscious of our situation, we shouldn't care if someone's coming to take the egg, right? There's no reason to fight them. It's meaningless to me. Absolutely. Yeah. So not for nothing. Tim is literally the person coming to take the eggs. In the case of the real chicken. I know, he's taking the moral high ground by like saying he's not dispersing them. But then he claims that he is not worried about it, because he's found a safe way to collect the eggs. So allegorically he would be like the government or a criminal who's found a way to steal our stuff without even needing to worry about the gun or spurs. Yeah, like he's doing it through hacking or something.

Jordan (01:01:22.000)

I don't understand why you would create an analogy to a real life circumstance wherein you are the embodiment of the thing that you are describing as analogous to evil.

Dan (01:01:34.000)

It is, it is clunky. It's almost like a poorly constructed chicken coop. Yeah, falls over and breaks the eggs.

Jordan (01:01:41.000)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's bad. That's bad. It's not the

Dan (01:01:46.000)

only poorly made metaphor that I've heard.

Jordan (01:01:49.000)

You can write, you can read and you can write and you can steal better analogies from people from books that other other people haven't read, and you'll look smart.

Dan (01:01:57.000)

He's proud of this one, though. And he's apparently pretty proud of the fact that he has chickens.

Jordan (01:02:03.000)

He's proud of them to the point where apparently he has enough chicken analogies that we have to quibble over which one we are going to get into. Yikes.

Dan (01:02:11.000)

So I told you there was a third guy or fourth guy there was Luke radowsky. Tim Poole, Alex and this other guy, Dr. Number four. Yeah, doctor number four makes an interesting point. I think this is stupid.

Shane Cashman (01:02:21.000)

Walking around Austin. I love this place. It's great. I'm having great food. Great time. But I noticed yesterday I walked around for hours with my wife. We saw no kids. It was like there's a lot of people who were just not having kids. Maybe they all had babysitters. I don't know. But I just feel like there's a lot of people I know in my life who are my age older. They're just not having kids are not even interested. And that's why

Alex Jones (01:02:38.000)

my wife wants to move to one of the nice towns outside. Awesome, because you go there, there's little kids. There's happy peaceful czar. But yeah, in Austin, the ratio of children is not very high. And you talk about brainwashing they brainwash kids in public schools here. As bad as San Francisco.

Unknown Speaker (01:02:52.000)

Isn't child relations pretty popular. And oh, it's a cult.

Dan (01:02:55.000)

Oh, boy. It's in reality, Austin is ranked number eight in terms of large US cities in terms of percentage of households that include children under 18 29.3% of Austinites have children austenite households, excuse me and three other Texas cities are in the top 10 on that chart. I'm not sure what their definition of large cities is because Fresno, California is number one on that list. And I don't consider that a metropolis. Partially because it's where my dad is from, and I think that town sucks. Anyway, there's a feeling that these guys have that these lefty weirdos in Austin aren't having kids. And maybe they'll walk around downtown and not see many kids and then they'll conclude that that's evidence of the conclusion that they've already come to based on their feelings. Unfortunately, census data in the real world don't support their feelings. They're just wrong. I mean, it's what feels right.

Jordan (01:03:40.000)

If I were visiting the city, during what amounts to a large scale assault of right wing figures, peeking a bunch of pieces of shit showing up.

Dan (01:03:49.000)

I don't actually think it's that big of a festival. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, then I'm not like South by Southwest.

Jordan (01:03:55.000)

I will I won't count too hard on that. But anyways, the point is, he is not in situations where he's going to be spending time around scenarios where

Dan (01:04:04.000)

their family probably didn't go down to like a park or didn't go down to a park and see all the kids playing there. Look, man, I was. It was like, 2am I was out on Sixth Street.

Jordan (01:04:13.000)

Yes, exactly. I didn't see any kids see any fucking kids. I saw a horse. There's a cop on a horse. There shouldn't be no 2am Get that horse to bed.

Dan (01:04:23.000)

I found it delightful when I was there, and I saw a cop on a horse plopping down the street. I was a chill. It was a chill horse and was chill calm. It was all right.

Jordan (01:04:32.000)

No, no cops on horses.

Dan (01:04:34.000)

He was maybe a little bit overly allowing of people to pet the horse. I was like, these drunk people. Someone's gonna swing on that horse. Yeah, that's not good. That's not good. It didn't happen. So Alex mentions there's that brainwashing going on at school? Sure. And Tim gets into that a little dog guy.

Alex Jones (01:04:53.000)

I'm not gonna get into personal family stuff, people I know. Yeah. But you know, you think okay, you know my 12 year old Just go to public school, they've been in private school, they want to go their friends go there. And they literally come home with stuff that that's worse than you see on the news. And I was like,

Tim Poole (01:05:08.000)

No, we've got we've got, we've had a couple of people on the show have told us this, that their kid went to a school, which they thought was a good school. 12 year old girl comes home and says that they're pansexual or something like that. That's exactly what goes. And then the mom has to be like, Do you know what that means? Like, I don't know. That's what they told me. I was

Alex Jones (01:05:25.000)

already pre programmed. And we just say no, you're not. Oh, you they told me you depress me.

Tim Poole (01:05:30.000)

Yep. They say, they said that if I told my parents, my parents would tell me I was wrong. So now your kids, the seeds are being planted

Unknown Speaker (01:05:39.000)

of rebellion immediately.

Dan (01:05:40.000)

I think that if a teacher is telling a student unprovoked, that they're pansexual, and then telling them that if they tell their parents that tell them that they're wrong, that's inappropriate. I don't think that's going on and the off chance that there is an instance of this kind of behavior, but I think that specific teachers should be asked some serious questions in an individual, disciplinary setting. Yeah, we're all good with that. However, Tim is telling a story of something that someone said happened and probably didn't. Tim and his ilk aren't fighting against teachers declaring their students to be pansexual out of nowhere. But that's a sensible fight to have, which is why Tim wants you to think that that's what he's against. Yeah, in the real world, there are students who feel more safe at school than they do at home. And they might confide in a teacher about something that they're struggling with, possibly around sexuality, or gender based things. It wasn't around sexuality or gender. But I had a teacher in high school that was critically important in terms of being able to tell him things and talk through stuff in a way that I couldn't with other adults. It wasn't weird or manipulative or abusive, it was critical to me navigating those years 100% That is what Tim and Alex are trying to attack. They push sensational stories, most likely not even true ones that are designed to create crony draconian laws about teachers interacting with students, so no one will take the risk of being kids lifeline. They're doing this as an attempt to stigmatize and ultimately eliminate LGBTQ identities from public life. And they're pretending that it's being done in the name of defending the children. It's not, but that's how Tim and Alex need to present it so they can sleep at night and not be seen as the monstrous shitheads that they actually are.

Jordan (01:07:17.000)

Yep. I mean, I don't I don't even know. I fear, I fear for every child. By I do because it's just like, these these. These people have kids. They have kids who will go to schools, and learn about themselves and will live in fear of sharing that information with their parents. Yeah,

Dan (01:07:41.000)

I mean, on some loving I did. level this is like a radical escalation of the same dynamic that was like you go to college and your kid comes back leftist. Yeah, bro. You know, it's like, yeah, they go and they learn who they individuate. Yeah, that's like, that's, that can be difficult, especially when you consider your child an extension of yourself. Yeah. And you can't you take it personally, that they make change.

Jordan (01:08:06.000)

I mean, yeah, I don't even know. I don't even know. You know, I don't I mean, obviously, I'm one of the people that he is describing accurately, who has no interest in kids. So I don't have any complaints. Well, stay out Austin. Kids there a lot of people a pious step.

Dan (01:08:21.000)

So look. A lot of these episodes incoherent. Sure. I've seen that play out. It jumps around to a number of issues. There's a fair amount of talk about AI fair chat. GPT Sure. Deep fakes. What about him? Yeah, there's a lot of before we get into any of that, there's a bit of talk about the mark of the beast,

Jordan (01:08:42.000)

always, yes, got to have the mark of the beast. And this, this might

Dan (01:08:46.000)

have been a point where I think I saw a different part of Tim, that I think he might be more of a shed that even I realize all right,

Tim Poole (01:08:56.000)

but this actually brings me into I guess, the more metaphysical and the crazier side of these things is the demonic is the allusions to like revelation and things like that. We've had a ton of people messaging us saying, Mark, like I mentioned Mark of the Beast earlier, they want you to have a social credit score, or a central bank, digital currency. Everyone's trying to figure out what the Mark of the Beast is this thing that you have to have on your hand or forehead or whatever that is required if you want to buy or sell or

Alex Jones (01:09:25.000)

the Bible would be translated into the Hebrew or the Aramaic, which was translated, you know, the Greek and then into English King James Version. If you look at it, it describes a world government system 10 separate kingdoms with three super regions. And then it says that the beasts can be seen by everyone on Earth at the same time, from everywhere and in the temples and in the markets. And it describes a native forest 30 foot image the beats talking to you sounds like a hologram. I mean, how did they come up with this? This is great science fiction writer. It's true. And then I guess they adopted you know, dominating control. Maybe it's a self filling prophecy. Money or it's a revelation from God aliens warning us about something else big

Jordan (01:10:05.000)

difference. Big difference between the two,

Dan (01:10:07.000)

it's literal. So those are the only options,

Alex Jones (01:10:10.000)

metrics and the fact that you worship for beasts and give power unto it the social credit score, you've got to agree, you got to serve, you got to use social credit scores, you've got to go out and do all this work to to be part of this system. And then if you do, it gives you wonders, it cures diseases, it makes you live longer, because they've got all this real stuff they've been suppressing. And so imagine you're like, I don't want my kid to die. And this is satanic. Well, okay, Hail Satan. Okay. I mean, my daughter's dying of this, or my son's dying of that. And so it's gonna be really hard to not just, it's not just you're not gonna get food. That's where people live off in the, you know, Christian ghettos of the future. Role models, the Rockefeller Foundation put out, like 12 years ago, planned opolis Videos For Kids in the UK. And it describes, the government tells you what you're going to be Nobody's allowed to have cars, you live in a locked down city, you're in a coffin apartment, but it's great. But there's that freedom ghetto, ladies brother lives in, where they don't get medicine or anything. But you know, they, they think they're free. And so they're already pre programmed there. So whether revelation is real or not, they've decided to go with it and are using it as the model.

Luke Rudkowski (01:11:19.000)

Now, this is why a lot of people believe that there's demonic possession, because a lot of different organizations come and go, whether it's the Club of Rome, whether it's agenda 21, un 2030, or the great reset. throughout many centuries and decades, we see the same ideas we see very similar individuals try to do the same thing, centralized power, have a new world order,

Dan (01:11:40.000)

they would obviously constantly try to have a New World Order can't. Okay. Not a lot of people are like, let's stay with the crowd. I mean,

Jordan (01:11:49.000)

the world order as it stands is pretty terrible. So

Dan (01:11:52.000)

I just kept thinking, as I'm listening to this, like, I find it almost inconceivable that a like a well intentioned thinking person could be sitting across from Alex listening to this shit, and be like, Man, you're onto something.

Jordan (01:12:09.000)

That's why people think about demonic possession. Yeah, no. And

Dan (01:12:12.000)

then that's what Luke radowsky says. And I realized, like, the Tim has Luke as a co host. Yep, I get it. Yep.

Jordan (01:12:21.000)

I stupid, I do appreciate that, if I understand correctly, Alex's problem with the mark of the beast in the social credit score is going to be it's going to create a society where you have to do all this work, in order to get basic human conveniences kinematic then if you continue to do work, and if you work extra hard, then you'll get things like medicine, and you'll get other things along those lines. And it's just, it's just all of this work for the for the government and for large corporations.

Dan (01:12:52.000)

Alex has the he gives the appearance of a person who's never had a job.

Jordan (01:12:58.000)

That's called capitalism. You just described capitalism,

Dan (01:13:01.000)

the mark of the capitalist beast.

Jordan (01:13:03.000)

Also, if you're scared, just get two hand tattoos and a forehead, get your face tattooed. Boom, no mark of the beast, they can't even mark

Dan (01:13:12.000)

you. Tada, boom. So we know from listening to a lot of these Dum Dums. Right? They have a unique mental thing that they think fiction is real.

Jordan (01:13:25.000)

Right? Right. We would consider that like a breakage in the lip. Yes, slip. Yeah.

Dan (01:13:32.000)

Tim is not immune to this.

Tim Poole (01:13:34.000)

Alex, have you watched the show utopia?

Alex Jones (01:13:38.000)

I've watched your original

Tim Poole (01:13:39.000)

and the new one. Yes. Holy shit.

Alex Jones (01:13:43.000)

They're warning you. Yeah,

Tim Poole (01:13:44.000)

well, so hold on. Let me let me break this up. If people don't know. Utopia spoiler alerts is a show about simply put a tech billionaire who makes fake meat and is concerned about overpopulation. Stages, a fake pandemic to rush through an experimental vaccine without approval that convinces people they're being saved, but actually sterilizes them. But wait, there's more. The core storyline follows a group of young people who believe a comic book called Utopia was written to convey the secret plan of these elites so that regular people could know who are smart enough could know what was going on. So let me just say, it's a show about a guy who secretly unveils the plan of the global elites through a work of fiction. And it is a tech tech billionaire concern about overpopulation, that sterilizing people through a fake pandemic, and completely unrelated. It's a work of fiction. In our reality, in real reality, there's a work of fiction that claims a tech billionaire is so you know, it's kind of just

Alex Jones (01:14:47.000)

Well, let me take you one further. And I've talked to Chris Carter, you have to talk about it in news articles. He's the X X Files guy X Files guy before you know the last season they did like 2016 Well, there's so much the problem

Dan (01:15:06.000)

Alex has forgotten is X Files. Yeah, I was gonna say The X Files was based on who's gonna say that said that sad when you're talking points based stammers. That's his thing. To show Utopia came out in 2020. But it was a remake of a british series that came out in 2013. Having only read a synopsis of the show, it seems like Tim is describing the plot of the remake fairly accurately, but where I find us veering apart is where he thinks that description accurately fits with what happened in the real world during COVID. Yeah, because he seems to be thinking, Oh, this was profit. He's saying that shit did not happen. No, but there was a virus outbreak. Great. Also, that was the plot of season two of heroes in 2007. Yeah, Isaac could paint the future and he painted comic book style warnings of a person holding a vial and a biohazard sign. Whoopty shit.

Jordan (01:15:54.000)

I'm gonna throw this out at you. Okay, I remember this movie when I was growing up from the 90s. Right? Okay, so this guy, he's in another country, okay. And then a disease. Okay. Goes from an ape to a human. So it transfers from an animal to a human. And that leads to a large pandemic situation. You know what they described it as outbreak. See,

Dan (01:16:19.000)

this sucks. Because when you said a person and another country, I was like, Please let this be been please.

Jordan (01:16:26.000)

Please, we're talking about here about being

Jordan (01:16:32.000)

also the original utopia. Fantastic. That really, really great.

Dan (01:16:35.000)

Sure. Really great. But yeah, so the writer of the original Utopia series, the one you love so much, they didn't even come up with the idea. He said in an interview that kudos, film and TV pitched the idea to him then they produced it after he wrote it. I didn't think this was suspicious at all until I looked a little bit deeper and I found that kudos is owned by a parent company named banijay. banijay, in turn is owned by a charitable trust called the Fauci Schwab endowment to sterilize everyone with vaccines and make them eat

Jordan (01:17:04.000)

bugs. That is unusual naming. Usually, whenever they're evil, they make it like Americans for progress, you know, suspicion that is pretty suspicious. Can't believe Tim didn't get to the bottom. It's really hard use. You take two extra steps. And then you get the name, right. It's right there. This is how lazy they are. They don't even know it when it's right in their face.

Dan (01:17:23.000)

Unbelievably disgusting. So the vaccines in the comic book and the TV show is real apparently, it sterilizes everyone and what have you. And so Alex decides I'm gonna throw out one of my references about vaccine stuff.

Alex Jones (01:17:37.000)

Go back to the previous point, utopia. Yeah, okay. This is what's really going on. And this is what I've been told by Dr. Rima llevo, whose husband was the head of the army and head of Special Operations and the head of all those secret projects. They made the movie Minister it goes to make fun of her but that was just one project was actually deadly serious. And they actually

Unknown Speaker (01:17:55.000)

deadly serious stuff. Okay,

Luke Rudkowski (01:17:56.000)

I spent time in Chile with them. Absolutely true. And everywhere. The conversations I had with them, and the the head of the US was the Intel was just absolutely just mind boggling. But they're retired now. But they're warning people about all this stuff. And when we talk about the larger woowoo energetic stuff, it's all it's all real on so many different.

Dan (01:18:16.000)

So generals double bind was a nut and Rebolledo tried to sell laminated don't vaccinate me cards for like 35 bucks, those almost worked Lemo Alaimo llevo may not be like active in the game anymore, because she tried to sell a fake COVID cure and got sued by the DOJ and 2020. Yeah, that'll happen. She and her business partner who goes by the moniker of the vitamin, lawyer, not good had to recall all of the products that they fraudulently sold and destroy all of it that they had remaining. That was her nanosilver product, which I believe was a big part of her hustle. So the fact that she had to destroy her supply of nanosilver might have just put her out of the game. So

Jordan (01:18:52.000)

prior to COVID she was selling she was still selling it for other stuff. Yeah, but she decided to market it. Yeah. Oh, man. So dumb.

Jordan (01:19:01.000)

You thought you were sick labor short, sighted. short sighted. Yep.

Jordan (01:19:04.000)

should eliminate it.

Dan (01:19:05.000)

Hold on a labor. Yep. Alex is coming up with that.

Jordan (01:19:13.000)

Schedule stumbled by and so at

Dan (01:19:15.000)

the end there. Yeah. Luke radowsky comes in. And he's like some of this woowoo energy stuff. I didn't notice that. Yeah, I did notice that. And this leads to an unfortunate thing that Tim needs to wrestle with. And that is, he's talking to idiots, and therefore magic is real. Yeah, there is an issue there. So let's get into talking about magic. I'm sorry, what

Tim Poole (01:19:33.000)

psychic powers and stuff for radio viewing stuff like

Alex Jones (01:19:36.000)

promises con arts and stuff to claim it. What they found is it's real. It's uncontrollable. So anyone's saying they've got control like their Gandalf is a liar. Everybody's got how to geese know how to fly from northern Canada all the way to Mexico. And they were born in Canada. Let me let me tell you some. They have magnetic rods in

Tim Poole (01:19:55.000)

their brains. I've met a lot of you a goose. And this is a tendency I see I've met a couple. I've met a lot of people who have claimed this, they've claimed that magic is real. And I've, I've seen more of it in Hollywood than I've seen in other places. But granted, there's only a handful of people. And they say things like, either magic is real, or I have the ability to manifest reality, like these kinds of ideas. They, and these are people who somehow stumble upon great fortune in their lives, like almost literally people, who I would consider to be moderately unremarkable in terms of work ethic and ability, like somehow always, always navigate properly into wealth and means. And they say to me, oh, it's because I've imagined, that's what they told me. I think sometimes

Shane Cashman (01:20:42.000)

there might be people define these things differently. You know, you and I've talked about this stuff, where we've kind of found ourselves in crazy situations, you might have thought about prior, and you don't even know how you wound up there.

Tim Poole (01:20:51.000)

And so to go back to that idea, though, are you suggesting that various people have different levels of access to some kind of like metaphysical energy or something? Well, I've

Alex Jones (01:21:00.000)

actually know a lot about this, but not from books or anything from actual experience. And so my whole long story and stuff, and it's pretty wild, but I don't know, you want to know that stuff?

Unknown Speaker (01:21:09.000)

I definitely want to know.

Alex Jones (01:21:13.000)

Or, Emily psychic? Oh, no.

Jordan (01:21:15.000)

Oh, no, Dan, Dan. Okay. You know, you know, we do the show sober now. Yeah, you need to let me know beforehand, if I need to get incredibly high to do this show with you.

Dan (01:21:26.000)

Yeah, this this. This, this conversation is is dumb. I'm trying to come up with other words, but it's just very, it's just nothing

Jordan (01:21:38.000)

to say he has nothing to say about this.

Dan (01:21:42.000)

If Tim Poole is reporting to me that a bunch of people that he knows who were in Hollywood, who maybe are the type of people who have looked upon a bunch of success in their life, yeah, tell him that it's magic. I would say that maybe they're being sarcastic possible or like kind of flippant with you because they don't want to talk about it. It's a good idea that's a possibility wouldn't do. Or another possibility is that they are people who recognize that a fair amount of what's gone on in their life has been luck. And they are they feel privileged in some way to have had that luck. But they also need to take ownership over the things that that have happened in their life. Exactly. So they ascribe it to luck, and may not even be a conscious thing that they're doing now, but in some way to make the narrative still centered around you, as opposed to things happening to you right now manifesting all this stuff instead of like, oh, a thing happened. Right? Right.

Jordan (01:22:31.000)

Right. It would be like me believing in magic, instead of just believing that my mediocre talent hitched itself to the right wagon. You know what I'm saying? Like, that makes more sense, but not magic. Exactly. You hitched your wagon to a garbage sauce?

Dan (01:22:49.000)

So yeah, this girl, she's just fucking stupid. But I got very excited. Yeah, when Alex said, both sides of my family are very psychic. Yeah, that's now we have to talk about this. Now Tim Poole has to talk about this. He has to now be sitting in a room with Alex Jones, staring him dead in the face and sincerely telling him that both sides of his family are profoundly psych

Jordan (01:23:11.000)

I am Confederate royalty, and also the Confederate had psychic powers.

Dan (01:23:15.000)

This just ends up becoming metaphysics, metaphysics word salad, so get ready for that. Okay.

Alex Jones (01:23:20.000)

Oh, yeah. Both are heavily psychic. My grandmother's, my great grandmother on my mom's side. It's like one of the top psychics but she was not public. She was sacred. In Dallas, like the US presidents would come see her and stuff. So I mean, and that my family would talk so

Luke Rudkowski (01:23:38.000)

it gets pretty crazy people gonna think you're, you know, people are gonna, it's hard to describe because there's so much like, I

Alex Jones (01:23:43.000)

have dreams that come true. And almost everybody's had that happen. But I have, but everybody has it. I have extreme, but on the scale a lot of but but it's they proven now with all the mathematics, there's all these other higher dimensions that's like Dark Matters. It's five times stronger on average. And it's most of space. Well, it's actually whatever's holding this in. So our DNA is just simply a code that just takes the proteins and salts and things and then builds these things. It's like you read people ragdoll cats to get more beautiful magic creatures. And it's because it's a are the third dimensional body we have is like a footprint in the sand of the higher dimensional energetics and then all DNA is is a seed planted that has that code to bring in that energy. That's all it is. Okay, and so there is no time at all loops back in its fold space, all that stuff. And so let's look at this little baby dune in this manifestation is is what you call the weakest level of what our true entity is, is. Let me try and put it this way. It's like the fingernail or something doing the thinking. So like, like Tim Poole is not sitting there. One of temples hairs, right,

Tim Poole (01:24:53.000)

right. I've heard this that we're all basically like follicles of some big being

Dan (01:24:57.000)

behind now.

Jordan (01:24:59.000)

Not in enough not enough I'm just I'm just thinking of exactly how much of this is Alex not understanding that Dune is fiction.

Dan (01:25:09.000)

Dune and 100 other things sure

Jordan (01:25:10.000)

sure. I mean once you throw in fold space though you're kind of you're kind of tipping your hand is it I've not read dune you don't know to dune guy. You're not doing cold spaces and dude, yeah, so what happens is the navigators I'm shaking my head not at you, but it out right? Right. So the navigators in case themselves in Milan gas in a enclosure and it alters their bodies, but it gives them the ability to see through time, just enough to be able to fold space without you know, winding up in the sun or something like that. That is the ability that the Melange gives right? And that is the power that the cuisines hot rock has what is turning into spice. The Melange is the spice.

Dan (01:25:55.000)

What does it have to do with Duncan Idaho? Duncan, Idaho

Jordan (01:25:57.000)

is friend to and mentor to Paul the tradies. The quiz that Takahata rock here man also regularly cloned for a thought for 1000s of years by Leto to the son of the quiz, outsider rock Paul the tradies All right, he becomes the God Emperor of doom because he becomes a sandworm himself. You know what I was thinking about what we think about how boring Dune is Duncan, Idaho.

Dan (01:26:21.000)

Yeah, great name. Idaho makes me think of potatoes. It's true. It's good on potatoes.

Jordan (01:26:26.000)

Spotters. Oh, put some spices on a potato folded up now you got

Dan (01:26:34.000)

it's all I can think about hungry now. I should eat too. Anyway remoulade bow comes back up.

Alex Jones (01:26:39.000)

Let me just expand on the early thing about utopia. What Rima llevo told me and what other and she was a doctor to two heads of state and she told me off record who told her about the calling plan, we're gonna use them. And we're gonna do it all. To me that Jesse Ventura episode that I basically wrote off real stuff about the vaccines, it's viral everywhere. And how the roll it out how they're gonna have lock downs, do all this, she told me, she said it's an IQ test, Alex. And she said, when they roll this out, they're going to put warnings out they're going to tell people what's going on. Their argument is, as long as they metaphysically warn you, like, put an ad in the paper, we're going to take this house on this day. So be at the courthouse if you want to. Or these people are about to be married. If anyone wants to challenge this, say it now or forever hold your peace. It's a contract metaphysically where they know that they hate to tell you so they this people that the people putting out Utopia think they're probably helping people. And they probably were but those that told them that and let that get out one of that for a larger reason to actually warn people who they think need to be saved. So it's all an IQ test. And I was told that basically, that's what a lot of high up folks told me. That's what Chris Carter has said.

Dan (01:27:49.000)

Yeah, so the it's an IQ test to not take a vaccine. You failed by taking a vaccine. All right. All right, fine. And the lady who sold laminated cards, is

Jordan (01:28:02.000)

that really what you want? told Alex? Is that what you want the conspiracy to be? I would want it to be better. I if I here's what would happen if this was something that I did find out was true. And they released it through a show starring John Cusack. That is a ghost of the original. Yeah. I would be disappointed. I would want a better conspiracy.

Dan (01:28:24.000)

Yeah, I would be like this timeline of reality is underwritten. Yeah, this is this is a first draft

Jordan (01:28:30.000)

you y'all gotta work this out. Yeah, I know. So I would have zero fear about this conspiracy working to be like, Oh, I would also be relieved. I would be like, Oh, thank God. There's no chance of them doing it.

Dan (01:28:43.000)

It already worked. COVID Boom, tada. Boy, I just don't think so. Nope. So I was hoping because I'm listening to this. With optimistic ears. Sure. I'm wanting to have an impression of Tim that he's somebody who can like have some backbone stand up for himself. Be like you've crossed a line of being not a serious person. Vaccines are a fucking IQ test. All right, dude, whatever.

Jordan (01:29:13.000)

Both my parents both my sides of my family are psychics. That's where I jump off.

Dan (01:29:17.000)

Sure, but that's kind of fun. That is this is condescending, and fucking stupid. It is. I was kind of hoping that this would be a point where just be like, alright, I can't really take you seriously. But it's not turns out Tim's on board. He loves it. Great.

Tim Poole (01:29:31.000)

People have asked why do they allow shows like mine? But like shows like yours? Not but shows like mine? Yes. And there's a couple there's there's a couple of us. One is if you look at the abortion stuff, and you look at the trans stuff, I have I've made this point. Many times this past week, I put out a tweet, saying spay and neuter your children to prevent overpopulation. Nobody cares. No hit pieces, no complaint Next, I've ramped it up and said, the left are excising themselves in the gene pool through sterilization and abortion. Did you wrap it one cares, not a single leftist complaints. I have tweeted this to leftists, like

Alex Jones (01:30:12.000)

the leftist ideology is opting in to kill them.

Tim Poole (01:30:15.000)

But listen, they don't care. The media doesn't care that I say that. But then I say, don't buy Budweiser at Oh, do they lose their minds? And so what I see with this is, I actually see exactly what you described, they, I would not be surprised, I'll put it this way, that they would consider it an IQ tests because the end result are that the people, if I go to someone and say, here's what's happening, and they say, a DA, and then ignore it, there's only so much you can do. It feels like forced selection, artificial selection, create a circumstance by which smart people can survive and stupid people will not and you are engaging in eugenics,

Luke Rudkowski (01:30:56.000)

they also energetic lots that they're absolving themselves of any kind of responsibility by making it so overt by having the kind of larger symbolism there and essentially telling you what they're doing. And this is a larger kind of demonic energy as well, because they're like, oh, yeah, we didn't do anything. They knew what they were doing there. And they hate it at all.

Alex Jones (01:31:13.000)

Exactly. Because of the universe, taking something that sentience free will, is a law that you break, you get destroyed. So they have to tell you, so that is your freewill choice.

Dan (01:31:23.000)

If you have a devil that has to follow intergalactic space laws, you don't have a devil.

Jordan (01:31:29.000)

You just got a weird asshole from another dimension or whatever. That's not the devil. That's just another asshole. Yeah, he's just in a different dimension than you. It's another dimension and it's still filled with assholes.

Dan (01:31:40.000)

The ultimate evil to me doesn't follow a rule. Anyway, I can help him figure out that earlier question about how people generally ignore him. It's because he's a real desperate poster on social media. Like he tweets bait all the time trying to farm outrage from people. And for the most part, I suspect the people that figure it out that dynamic and they just ignore his cries for attention. Yeah, he says something offensive to get people to retweet and quote, tweet him, so it spreads his name out there. In the case of the bud light thing I would imagine that's mostly just people who commented on anything Tim said they were just making fun of him. Yeah, I don't know what hit pieces he's talking about. I I don't know.

Jordan (01:32:16.000)

I just don't understand how you can live inside the head of these people. Look out through their eyes and then see what they see and go. Yeah, that's real. Yeah.

Dan (01:32:26.000)

intergalactic space law. And I've figured out the rules of that intergalactic space lock and I apply it to how I watch TV. Okay,

Alex Jones (01:32:35.000)

I'm understand.

Dan (01:32:37.000)

I am one of the smart ones.

Jordan (01:32:42.000)

I just teared up dad. Dad.

Dan (01:32:46.000)

This is almost a project Camelot.

Jordan (01:32:49.000)

We've got psychic ference, we got interdimensional contract law coming up. I thought you said psychic ferrets and I got excited now I'm excited because that should be on Project Camelot alongside the mercantile dogs.

Dan (01:33:00.000)

I dated someone back in my Missouri days I had a couple ferrets. Oh, anyway, it was so weird. They would like go under a closed door. Things are fucking they're

Jordan (01:33:08.000)

tiny and the inside and psychic notoriously like they are notorious like horses. It's been proven oh my god, they know.

Dan (01:33:15.000)

So Gee, foot up, smoke on if you got one. copyrightable Jordan because this next clip is about two and a half minutes. That begins with talking about freewill. Oh God,

Jordan (01:33:28.000)

no, it ends oh my god with Tim Poole

Dan (01:33:31.000)

describing the plot of ancient alien we

Jordan (01:33:33.000)

have a Do we have? Long what do we need rubber bla bla bla bla bla.

Tim Poole (01:33:37.000)

He's this This really feels biblical, to be honest. Like, we know the idea of the war between heaven and hell. And all of the tropes we've seen with like movies like Constantine or whatever, where the devil and God or like the movie come out

Dan (01:33:49.000)

like 40 years ago, how

Tim Poole (01:33:50.000)

many souls can you capture? 20 years ago? Yeah, I view it like, a war between God and one of the great Gods says, Only through their own freewill. Are you allowed to capture soul? Yes. And if you can't do it that way, then you get nothing. And the devil said, I bet you I can get a lot through free will. And so that's the mandate.

Jordan (01:34:10.000)

Your cosmology involves God.

Tim Poole (01:34:14.000)

About, I understand Nibiru or Planet X idea that you probably know more about us than I do. But the idea was an aliens race came to Earth and genetically modified apes to be a slave race, I don't know. And then there was a faction of these aliens that said, it's wrong to do this. And we don't think you should create semi intelligent slave races. And so it created a war between the factions which resulted in, you know, like the the freeing of the slaves, and they've been discussing this seriously. Yeah, right. So I guess

Alex Jones (01:34:48.000)

it gets cleared you look at human evolution. And it's not the way the church says it is. It's not like the scientists, the real scientists now admit, there's massive jumps, and there's DNA cut in there. And there's definitely been Massive I mean, we were definitely designed. All of this was honestly designed well,

Tim Poole (01:35:03.000)

so a couple different schools failing this country. That's why we shit all the time because not a conspiracy. It's just like a weird story. But it's either an alien species created humans to be slaves to mine gold. That's one of the, you know, Cookie stories. And then within this faction, they split in two with one saying, we think this is morally wrong and one saying Who cares, they're ours. Another theory is that aliens came to Earth and created an intelligent species to mine gold for them, but they were too smart. And they said, No, we really review so then the aliens created a subspecies humans which are even stupid or creating a conflict between the first and the second or whatever. Well, here's my point. So where the moral theory The general idea is, the two factions were fighting over whether or not humans should have free will. And it very much is more of a sci fi version of the battle between God and the devil or good and evil. Well, we'll hear from

Dan (01:35:59.000)

Yeah, that's This is exhausting. Honestly, listening to this was an interesting experience because I didn't know this bullshit was like what he babbles me and really, this is much dumber than I thought his show was right but I guess that's always kind of the experience you know, like you watch like a Matt Walsh episode or Michael Knowles episode or I'm sure I've never watched a full episode of Ben Shapiro's show, but I'm sure Yeah, because for him that's like, this is dumber than I thought it was that there's a reason this only generally pops up in clips. Yeah. Because

Jordan (01:36:30.000)

no, it does us all a disservice. We don't know how truly fucking stupid all of these people really are. Because we're not watching.

Dan (01:36:37.000)

And it's the same thing like with Alex when I first started, you know, like, there was an image I had of him from not Watoto show and then be watched full episodes like this is Dahmer and more dangerous than than expected. Yeah, turns out sometimes Tim Poole will very sincerely discuss nuances of different ideas around ancient alien.

Jordan (01:36:55.000)

I mean, it's fun. I just, I just don't want to have a conversation where it's like, ah, yeah, what are the dinosaurs there for? The aliens killed? Okay, fine. I'm out. I'm done. So Alex,

Dan (01:37:09.000)

Alex gets into his head talking about light and dark energy you know, like good and evil angels and the devil and whatever you

Alex Jones (01:37:16.000)

study history looking at this and also dreams I've had and then later finding out that it's in Sanskrit. The same thing finding out is that Sanskrit we see it as a cosmology of like God the devil and it is God that made it but it really is there's destructive Chaos Energy. And then there is enlightened higher levels of energy and the true singularity, all knowledge, all freewill, beauty, creativity, that gives birth to more freewill. So you have the spectrum. And what energy do you resonate with from the third dimension? It's a jumping off point. Now the lowest dimension that actually has real matter, are you going to drift? Other dimensions real matter and shins are things that have been created and not be part of this larger creation? These rebellions, these breakaway dimensions? It's not his lower dimensions, Breakaway dimensions, or are you going to resonate up into be beyond Nirvana beyond enlightenment? Ascend? That's it. Yeah.

Tim Poole (01:38:10.000)

Have you ever seen Stargate SG one?

Jordan (01:38:12.000)

Oh my god,

Alex Jones (01:38:13.000)

I've seen some of the episodes shut the

Jordan (01:38:14.000)

fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Hey, bro, shot start up who star god dammit. i You swear there needs to be a voice of reason. And I think this show would actually be really interesting. If I was just screaming over them. Every time they said something fucking stupid. It wouldn't.

Dan (01:38:33.000)

It would make it would make for at least some conflict or something. Yeah. And I think what would be fun about that would be to see how much they reel themselves in from realizing like, I just can't say whatever I want. You

Jordan (01:38:45.000)

can't know. I'm insane. Yeah, I will be the crazy one in this conversation.

Dan (01:38:50.000)

You're gonna yell if they bring up another sci fi thing. Which is gonna happen quite a bit for the next show.

Alex Jones (01:38:58.000)

People like HG Wells, people, the Time Machine all of that. Things to Come pick that up. I mean, there's obviously Clarke, who was in British intelligence and all the rest of it. They wrote white papers and also nonfiction books admitting this is my real cosmology. This is what I really believe in. It's really the same story over and over and over again, the more locks in the Eloy the more likes have the knowledge to really be showing control. The general public that simple minded, but they basically feed on them. But if you go further and Childhoods End, these aliens show up and said, We're gonna be live instead of technology to heal you and everything. Oh my god. And finally, a few generations, they say now we're going to show you what we look like. And it's like a 15 foot tall, big giant red devil. And by the way, we want your children because they're going to ascend, and basically we'll go fine. You've already given us all this live session. Here's the kids, the kids leave their bodies go up into the spaceship, and basically take off. And the thing is, those devils really aren't the devils in his cosmology. Their species isn't a will do evolve like humans the next level that is just a servant class on the big ship that goes around scooping up, but when they're done, they blow the planet Earth up. What did they do with the kids? That they just they just download them?

Dan (01:40:12.000)

It's not quite a childhood. He's missing a few details, you know, fudging a little bit of the plot. Maybe that's similar to the mini series of of childhoods, and then the book could be not sure. But the the, the mini series was more recent, I think. 2015. So like, he's talked about childhood them for longer than that. And it clearly is something that has haunted him. Yeah. But he doesn't remember some of the some of the points.

Jordan (01:40:37.000)

There's only one sci fi book that I do believe is real. What's that? And I think I was about nine, when I first read this, and it was called, My teacher is an alien.

Unknown Speaker (01:40:50.000)

Ooh, yeah. And it delivered.

Jordan (01:40:51.000)

I remember that because that teacher was an alien. It's true. And then they went into space, and then they came back. And I think they I think that I think the teacher just stayed in the job. I think that was the resolution to that book. As the teacher continued working as a menial. Yeah,

Dan (01:41:07.000)

I saw a documentary once called My stepmom is an alien. That one was, I mean, you'll learn a lot. So here's another movie, that's real sure.

Alex Jones (01:41:17.000)

Just like in the movie, that's an excellent movie, the island where they think they're on an island who has been a bio attack, and they're safe, they've got to exercise and be ready to win and get sent to the new island. That's better. And really, they're just clones. But they found that if you just have a bag with a clone in it, keeping it alive, that organs die, it's unhealthy show. These are clones of famous people, right people on the outside, they finally break out, they finally see it. It's an allegory of Plato's cave. That was an allegory. That's what you'd say is an allegory about strong people. And we're just basically a planet of spare parts. And then and then now it's evolving where the globalist are going to be the interface with groups to be the brokers and actually, you know, the Earth is ripening and now ready for calling.

Tim Poole (01:42:01.000)

Have you seen the movie Jupiter rising?

Jordan (01:42:03.000)

Oh, my God. It's good. Are we doing here,

Tim Poole (01:42:07.000)

but it definitely is in line with law where we're talking about, like one of the characters is a dog human hybrid, and bred for loyalty and service to be a soldier to protect the world from a mug. And that man, half the story is my own best friend are rising. There's powerful intergalactic elites, that they're human. And they create planets of humans that once it reaches to a few billion, like 10 billion people, they call all of the humans because they need ridiculous sums of human life to extend their own lives. So they're farming planets of humans, so they can live forever.

Alex Jones (01:42:41.000)

So it's the story of the Dark Crystal.

Jordan (01:42:43.000)

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Dan (01:42:46.000)

It would be one thing if they were doing a movie review show. I think we're talking about these things as artistic ideas and stuff, but they're like talking about it as if this is what the globalists are doing. And this relates to the world and

Jordan (01:42:59.000)

like, here's what I'm realizing, guys. These people cannot just have a fun pop culture conversation, because pop culture is all evil. It's. Yeah, so they cannot just be like, Hey, you want to talk about your favorite sci fi movies? They have to be metaphors. Yeah, I'm not really into moving on to Star Wars guy. I don't like Oh, I'm sure I watch all those movies. But I watch them for learning purposes. I don't watch them because I enjoy them because they tell me what the trouble is. I don't come out of a theater and go 123 Matt Damon, I don't do that shiver. Never. Yeah, god damn it. Just enjoy a fucking movie. Yeah,

Dan (01:43:35.000)

they're not fun. So we get off from the the movie, thank god.

Unknown Speaker (01:43:41.000)

I can't handle it anymore. And now we

Dan (01:43:43.000)

go biblical.

Alex Jones (01:43:44.000)

Whether the whole Adrenochrome era is real or not. And there's obviously devil worshipers that do weird stuff like that. This whole thing is about farming. The young using the young expending the young, showing the young often die in wars. That's why it's not as though maybe 10 commandments not as in the Bible. They've gone and you know, read the scrolls that are in the tombs and the hieroglyphs were Ramsey's. The first said there are too many of these Jews, one of their slave classes, everybody was their slaves. And I want the firstborn male killed because they knew the firstborn male they now know or firstborn girl that's why all the astronauts are first born all that somehow downloads. It's not just that they're around adults more so they act more adult they somehow download knowledge more from their parents. It's like designed have this metaphysical electromagnetic system works to improve it and other animals as well, particularly humans, but also whales, dolphins, you name it. Yeah, firstborn

Dan (01:44:34.000)

whales and all that

Jordan (01:44:36.000)

and get all that information. It makes perfect sense. In the book of

Dan (01:44:39.000)

Matthew Herod orders the killing of all the children under two because it was said that the King of the Jews had been born. Pharaoh didn't kill the firstborn among the Hebrew population, he ordered the midwives to kill all males that were born. The connection to the firstborn was that the the death of the firstborn was the 10th plague that God sent against Egypt to get Pharaoh to let Moses and as people go Alex should know that

Jordan (01:45:02.000)

I was I was about this is the most important thing that God did.

Dan (01:45:06.000)

Yeah, he reversed this. Pharaoh is doing the thing that yeah, this is strange.

Jordan (01:45:12.000)

You gotta read the book, man. Yeah, you gotta read the book. No, you

Dan (01:45:16.000)

prefer a sci fi. Hey,

Jordan (01:45:17.000)

I mean, don't you tell me about Charlton Heston first.

Dan (01:45:21.000)

Also, Buzz Aldrin had two older sisters, cosmonaut Yuri Gagosian had an older brother Mae Jemison, I had two older siblings, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, this does raise an important question was that this idea of the firstborn getting more of the memory and stuff? What if your firstborn are twins? Who does the one born a minute earlier? Download more race memory like is it a first out of the womb kind of

Jordan (01:45:42.000)

thing? You can't have firstborn twins. One of them always eats the other one in the womb that science? No saw it in Jupiter Ascending. Oh, all right. Jupiter rising. Oh, no, the name of the movie is Jupiter Ascending. He didn't know that because he can't understand the word.

Dan (01:45:56.000)

And also the other thing too. Is that like, I would have thought Alex would have been like very keen to see that because it was made by the with chelski. Yeah, and like so much of all of these ding dongs worldview is based on this red pill. And the matrix you think that if the child skins had created such an important piece of media for them? Yeah, I'd see everything that they make and search for clues and stuff. I mean, but Yeah, Alex never saw Jupiter Ascending. Nope. strange. Very strange.

Jordan (01:46:23.000)

Boy, I just read the Can somebody read the book? I'm so tired of being the only person that feels like

Dan (01:46:30.000)

no time. Speaking no time. Yeah, I just gotta get to work. Oh, yeah.

Alex Jones (01:46:37.000)

We can go long if you want to. Because Because my shows time but but I can I can have Owen come in or I can run stuff as we go right up to 11am. You want or after? Yeah, man. I

Dan (01:46:44.000)

have no time for you. But shows live and I can just have oh, do it. I don't give a shit. Let me be honest with you. No one watches my show. No. And

Jordan (01:46:52.000)

my ratings are garbage. And I will stay on this because you are more likely to give me viewers far

Dan (01:46:57.000)

more important your metrics even to try and capture some of your audience by pretending to be interesting. My audience, there'll be there who gives a shit. I'm going to be honest, I

Jordan (01:47:07.000)

don't think I should even go back to that place. I

Dan (01:47:09.000)

never want to go back. I never want to go back there. So Tim, all right. There's a fair amount of talk about the observer paradox.

Jordan (01:47:18.000)

I'm sorry, are we talking Heisenberg Principle?

Dan (01:47:21.000)

There's, I mean, it's just the most sort of pedestrian metaphysics kind of thing. Sure. Sure.

Jordan (01:47:28.000)

light is a particle in a wave. We go. Yeah,

Dan (01:47:31.000)

it's it's the thing that is the most pop Kultury of that. So whenever you want to sound real deep, and stuff, that's something you'll throw into conversation. So we get some, do we get some two slits experiment or some talk of the two slides? All right,

Jordan (01:47:44.000)

all right, listen.

Dan (01:47:48.000)

But it also gets into this.

Tim Poole (01:47:50.000)

The idea is this. If that is true, that observers have an impact on reality through what they expect. Just through observation, Jesus Christ would mean that every single human is participating in the creation and fabrication of reality, which would mean the less people there are, the more of an influence an individual would have no magic people in it. And each one of them, their perception dictates what reality will be. That means an individual has 10% control, oh, my god, reality. And then perhaps you start seeing things like magic. And they all among each other can take things that are magical. But as population expands, more and more people are competing in their observation with what reality is, which basically solidifies it, it can no longer change, because everyone's perspectives are this massive programming, unless you then Florida date everyone's brain and destroy the part of their brain that connects to the metaphysical. Yeah, man.

Jordan (01:48:47.000)

You know, you can't. I was, I was just thinking about when I was listening to that. You don't know what other people in your same classes are learning. You know, like, when I was in high school, I just assumed that when I was learning something from the teacher, I was reading the book. I was taking that information. All right, I was I was absorbing it to use for later. Apparently, that is not the average experience for these folks. No,

Dan (01:49:11.000)

no, because like gained information is kind of the same as dumb thought I had. Yeah.

Jordan (01:49:16.000)

Yeah, it seems like that's a problem that I had is generally speaking my dumb thoughts, I let go immediately.

Dan (01:49:25.000)

So who's to say that if there were 10 people left alive that each of them would have an equal say, in dictating the observance of reality? Don't Don't? Why does Tim assume that it would? I don't

Jordan (01:49:39.000)

know. Because clearly this universe is set up in an egalitarian way as we all know from the earlier conversation those two Dum Dums had about the garden the devil fighting all the fucking time.

Dan (01:49:50.000)

What What concrete difference do you make with reality by a wave and particle? Like what is the change? There's no you see it you don't see it magic can you just reshape all of reality

Jordan (01:50:05.000)

I guess anyway guess just learn this learn things from a book.

Dan (01:50:09.000)

This is just dumb like late nights don't count. And it's it's really weird to see people treating it like it's serious. Yeah,

Jordan (01:50:18.000)

like fucking me up he's her adult and like weird the thinker's. Yeah, this is This is fucked up.

Unknown Speaker (01:50:23.000)

All right now

Dan (01:50:24.000)

good good to a drum circle and hit the hit spliff. Totally. So Tim has a kind of a bad thought here.

Tim Poole (01:50:34.000)

I think Luke brought up the concept of useless eaters. Who's that guy? You will horror we've all Harare. He says that there's like a bunch of people to plant are useless eaters. And I hear a lot from the anti establishment or conspiracist, whatever want to call it side where they're like, who could you say that all these people are evil people. And I'm like, but he's right. There are useless eaters. Now. I'm not saying he's right and what his plans are, there we go. There are a lot of people on this planet who I would describe as useless. And the problem is you have given up zombie faction of people who are showboating. Well, I would I would call them either fire or zombies. In that what I view as the woke left as a chaotic and destructive force that is only tearing down humans, Tasmanian devils, and that to me, they're useless eaters they consume and destroy. So is that wrong to call them useless? Let's expand

Alex Jones (01:51:22.000)

on that that's a chicken or the egg do

Dan (01:51:23.000)

not expand on that. Oh, let's

Jordan (01:51:25.000)

definitely not expand on that. So

Dan (01:51:26.000)

just to be clear, useless eaters is a term that traces back to the Holocaust. It definitely was not a way that Harare described people. In December 2022, a screenshot of a page of a book went around on social media showing the text quote, at least 4 billion useless eaters shall be eliminated by the year 2050. By means of limited wars, organized epidemics of fatal rapid acting diseases and starvation share the post claim that this was written by Klaus Schwab. But of course, it's fake. It's a passage from a 1992 conspiracy theory book titled The conspirators hierarchy, the Committee of 300 by a guy named John Coleman. Coleman claims that this text appeared in HG Wells book the open conspiracy, but that is also a lie. I found one speech that Harare gives gave where he uses the word useless but it's in describing a negative state of affairs that could arise in the future where the rich use things like bioengineering to turn themselves into superhumans, and the rest of us become an economically and militarily useless class. It's not something that he's saying is good, he says, is a danger of the future, right? It's fun that Tim is responding to a fake thing someone didn't say and using that as a rationalization to allow himself to call people he doesn't like useless eaters, though. Solid fucking work. And it shows his brain like the way he works. He's like, Yeah, I do want to kill off everybody. I mean, I want to kill off the woke left.

Jordan (01:52:50.000)

It is it is very much a fun little thing for him to be like, oh, all these people that are evil that globalist want to kill everyone that they don't like. Now admittedly, I would kill everyone I don't like Yeah.

Dan (01:53:05.000)

Like you can't you can't be taking some kind of a weird high ground over these these demonic forces when the only differences aesthetic. Yeah, between you and them. Yeah. I don't like this people that I don't they don't like this people. Yeah. Grow up. Yeah.

Jordan (01:53:21.000)

Yeah. Stop fucking talking about movies like the real

Dan (01:53:25.000)

just keep talking about movies like,

Jordan (01:53:28.000)

pick one stick to the only

Jordan (01:53:32.000)

now. Okay, this is how fascists think this

Dan (01:53:36.000)

is where things got troubling.

Jordan (01:53:38.000)

Yeah. I mean, the genocide part. That was pretty troubling.

Dan (01:53:42.000)

But that was I mean, that's more clumsy and stupid than I think it is actually explicitly genocidal, fair. I think he just doesn't realize how dumb and kind of poorly thought through the things he's saying are Yeah, but like this. I mean, this is outrageous.

Alex Jones (01:53:57.000)

And I basically been told that they just let you do that show that that some of the smart people won't be fully destroyed.

Dan (01:54:04.000)

Real quick. He's talking about the globalists letting him do his show. I'll do it. Yeah. So some smart people can return to the church

Unknown Speaker (01:54:13.000)

here. Sure. Well,

Luke Rudkowski (01:54:15.000)

I mean, this is, this is Klaus Schwab's right hand man, and he's talking about specifically drugging people and pacifying them with video games. So they don't revolt because they're going to be a total useless class. And the superhuman aspect that you talked about is specifically related to artificial intelligence, because they're very big into what they call the Fourth Industrial Revolution says

Alex Jones (01:54:32.000)

the future is not human as a quote.

Tim Poole (01:54:34.000)

So hold on. If that's true, what you're basically saying is, this show is permitted as kind of an arc to capture the attention of people smart enough to save themselves from what's to

Alex Jones (01:54:44.000)

come. That's really good. Imagine there's a big flame to get the mind

Jordan (01:54:46.000)

hate all of you so much, and we're

Tim Poole (01:54:47.000)

and we're standing in front of it being like don't do it. And they accept that we say this, because it will preserve the smarter people.

Luke Rudkowski (01:54:55.000)

It allows them deniability. It allows them to have plausible deniability to say, hey, they had a choice.

Tim Poole (01:54:59.000)

I I've been saying this

Dan (01:55:00.000)

for a while though. I bet you have your narcissistic fuck.

Jordan (01:55:03.000)

Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, Dan, I'm gonna throw this out at you just real quick. Every every buddy and every book and everything I have ever read from people that I respect greater than myself generally says something along the lines of, if you call yourself smart, you're a fucking moron.

Dan (01:55:23.000)

It's it's dangerous territory. Now, I will say, I think it probably feels really fucking good to sit around and be like, the devil and his worldwide organization of evil allows my show to exist, because I need to exist to save the smart people who are going to naturally gravitate to my incredibly smart progress. Sure, sure. Sure. That's got to feel awesome. I mean, you can trick yourself into feeling that like Tim clearly has, it's great.

Jordan (01:55:53.000)

It is it is like unhinged like Okay, so in, in I want to say so. The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas Adams, I believe that there is a part where they fought Beeblebrox goes into what is described as the total perspective vortex. And what it is, is it is a device that shows you the true spot you have in the in the universe. It destroys your mind because you discover how meaningless you truly are. It forces you to really know that right? And Zaphod goes in there. But because he existed within a pocket universe created solely for him, when he went into the total perspective, vortex it went, You're the entire reason the universe exists, right? That must be what that feels like, full time. That must be what that feels like, you know, that feeling of like, the only reason that we are all on this planet is because me It's insane.

Dan (01:56:55.000)

I mean, unexpected. I didn't I mean, like I knew, I knew that this guy was a little like I didn't know he was this out there. This is this is a level of Buzz bizarreness that I did not expect to encounter in Tim Poole.

Jordan (01:57:11.000)

Yeah, I mean, I my my Megalo has usually come with my regular mania, you know, sure. I don't stick with the megalomania all day, every day.

Dan (01:57:22.000)

He's also so boring, that like the idea that he thinks that possibly he's an ark to save the smart people of the world is fascinating,

Jordan (01:57:33.000)

offensive. Yeah, offensive on a lot of levels. Every every attempt I've ever made every try every fail that I've overcome, is meaningless in the face of his success.

Dan (01:57:42.000)

Though he goes on to talk about this, I think his success is due to magic.

Tim Poole (01:57:45.000)

Great. Is this show like an arc? You know what I mean? Is that Is this, like we're talking about more? Shall

Alex Jones (01:57:52.000)

we describe it? Here's how I would describe it. Imagine the world as a space shuttle control panel with 10s of 1000s of switches. And so what happens is you develop a show you develop a brand, you develop an intellectual idea that resonates for a lot of people because it's true. They let you get so big as a switch or a dial in case something else gets big. They can turn the dial here, here here and triangulate and dial that down later, they'll use those points to dial you back now. So to them, it's all a bunch of levers and switches and controls. So Alex Jones gets to effective exposing how the whole thing works. They don't want more people being outside the box, they want the experiment that the globalists are the Wizard of me, because I was actually getting people to understand the full mechanism.

Tim Poole (01:58:33.000)

Well, maybe maybe that's actually a really good point, right? To a certain degree of the shows that are relatively esoteric. We were talking with Jesse Kelly, who said for the first time his neighbors We've mentioned this, the beginning the show, asked him about politics because of Budweiser. And then when I say don't buy Budweiser, I get all these hit pieces written about me when I talk about more complex stuff, you know, like eugenics or whatever, they don't care. And then it starts to fall in line. The idea being that if you stay within the confines of intelligent esoteric truth or arguments, you are totally fine. You are the people who are smart enough to understand Understand and will be preserved. But if you they don't want you waking up a dumb people, you got too big. And all of a sudden you got regular I was in Sweden. Sweden. No, I went there. I did this big thing where I created this two week long vlog interviewing people. I'm at a Thai food restaurant in Sweden. And what do I hear? They're coming for your income tax. You've got to listen to me. And I'm like, what the hell I turn around and there's three young Swedish men probably 1718 years old watching on their phone a video of you

Dan (01:59:37.000)

haha. So I have an explanation for Tim about why he doesn't get hit pieces written about him when he tweets dumb shit about abortion, but maybe someone wrote about his dumb shit about Bud Light. I guess he's really close to getting it. It's because it's easy. Yeah. The article about the bud light thing is self writing and it involves nothing but Tim and his friends being completely scandalized by a beer ad. It's the definition of trivia. ality whereas getting into like it's best to just ignore his stupid ideas about higher minded dollars, because they're dumb. Yeah, they're not even really worth taking seriously. He was explaining the plot of ancient alien. Yeah.

Jordan (02:00:12.000)

Now if I if I drink too much coffee and go to the bathroom, I'll have 1000 words on how stupid Tympole is.

Dan (02:00:19.000)

Also, I'm not sure what these hit pieces are that he's referring to like, I haven't seen any of the I just be Twitter reactions I'm or any reputable outlets even wasting ink on him like I'm, here's what I think it might be Yeah, someone on YouTube made a video about him or something like that. That may be what he's talking about. Also, Tim should probably be clear about why he was in Sweden. Paul Joseph Watson offered to pay for any journalists to go to Malmo, Sweden to brave the Muslim No Go Zones. And Tim was the only person brave enough to take him up on it. That documentary is really sad. It's just an idiot in a beanie being disappointed that the city he's in doesn't resemble the right wing terror fantasies at all. After it was all said and done. I think Tim wanted to distance himself from PJ w. So he said on Rogen that Paul had just paid for a little bit of the trip and that he'd been planning to go anyway. Whatever the case, it's funny that he doesn't bring this up, when he's talking to Paul's boss here on the show about why he was in Sweden.

Jordan (02:01:19.000)

And that's, that's so, man, it's unfair. They just get to retcon their own failures. I have to live with mine. I fucking wake up in the middle of the night thinking about failures of mine. And they just get to retcon it and be like, yeah, actually, I was great. And then they sleep Great. That's infuriating.

Dan (02:01:36.000)

Yeah, I was trying to fuel a bigoted, right wing hate machine and make people scared of Muslims. And I ended up going to Malmo, Sweden. And it was pretty all right. And I went to a Thai place, and there were people watching you on their phone.

Jordan (02:01:48.000)

Yeah. So it's very much not the,

Dan (02:01:51.000)

I guess so. Yeah. So yeah. So look, this idea is you gotta leave the dumb people alone, or something. I guess. It's very strange. Because if you think about it, there's two things going on. There's like, Alex was really attacked. And he's like, kicked off everything. Sure, because he's too effective at waking up the dumb people, right? Meanwhile, Tim Poole is still on everything. Because I guess he doesn't wake up the dumb people. He only appeals to the smart, right? There's a bit of like a weird narcissism going on here. Yeah, but I guess the Bud Light issue was something that was able to wake up the dumb people. It was a it was a soft spot for the globalists. And that's why he got pushed back for it because it was too close to waking up the dumb people. This is not a good way to look at your audience. I don't think yeah, it's probably fairly insulting to Alex's audience, which I mean, I don't mind. Go ahead and insult them. But I feel like it's a bad way to deal with your own audience. Yeah, we know that Alex doesn't care much for his own

Jordan (02:02:55.000)

no fans. No, that's, that's wild. That's wild thing to say out loud. That is a wild and disrespectful thing to say out loud that you would only say if you are such a malignant narcissist, you believe that you can insult people directly to their faces, and then they will love you for it. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (02:03:12.000)

Which unfortunately seems to be true. And we'll talk a little more about it. Great.

Tim Poole (02:03:15.000)

That's why you are dangerous. Because you created something that was entertaining to average people that talked about complex ideas that not using the smart down would say shitting on hearing about

Alex Jones (02:03:26.000)

and I didn't do that on purpose. People always ask me and I've even had I don't work for the CIA. I don't like to see if there's different factors. I've talked a lot pretty high level people. That's how I knew about the invasion. The Russians were gonna invade like February they even had the plan. And everyone was like, How did Alex know? Army Special Operations and all over the place? And they weren't exactly sure what they said. We're pretty sure that by the end, that's what the chatter is, but I thought it was too much for what was the question?

Dan (02:03:49.000)

I don't know how much more masturbatory this interview can get. Yeah, Tim shows an arc allowed to exist by the devil because they need to make sure that smart people who gravitate towards his show survive. Alex is dangerous because he gives dumb people access to smart ideas. This is all embarrassingly narcissistic shit. Also, not for nothing. But Alex's show doesn't cover smart ideas. Tim has discussed how his schedule is so busy in the past, and I can guarantee you that do doesn't listen to Alex's actual show ever. He just knows the image of Alex that he's constructed in his head this renegade truth teller who puts on an entertaining act to make the medicine go down. That's fake, as fake as Alex's claims about how he predicted the Ukraine invasion. These people don't live in reality. They live in a world of stories. fictional works seem real to them because they come in the form they understand, which is a narrative. Alex's existence is too hard to understand if you deal with him in reality, but if you just pretend he's a character in a novel, you imagine your living it's so much easier. I gotta say though, I didn't expect much when I tuned into this episode, but the reveal that Tim Poole thinks that he's some kind of a NOAA figure working to save humanity is pretty interesting. It probably explains why he's built a compound for his friends slash him. Please all live in. Nothing to worry about with him being secluded in West Virginia heavily armed rambling with idiots about how he's gonna save the human race by making the show so smart that only the smartest people can enjoy it. This doesn't smell trouble.

Jordan (02:05:12.000)

I'm sorry. He has a compound in West Virginia.

Dan (02:05:16.000)

Yeah, I believe it's West Virginia.

Jordan (02:05:18.000)

Jesus Christ. How much money do these people fucking make?

Dan (02:05:21.000)

Yeah, he makes a lot of us is absurd. I found a video of like him. Like everyone a skate ramp and is

Unknown Speaker (02:05:28.000)

cool. What a cool arc.

Dan (02:05:31.000)

Yeah. See? That's where they got the chickens. Yeah, that's cool. Because he has this compact. That makes sense. Okay, I gotcha. And maybe the way he safely gets those eggs is he has someone else do it. Yeah, that would make sense. I'm not worried about that sperm. Wow. So I'm gonna skip this next clip because I don't really care. And I only cut it out because Alex does his patented traffic lights are the smartest AI.

Jordan (02:05:54.000)

Of course, yeah, of course.

Dan (02:05:55.000)

And I was thinking when he did that. I was like, he's like a stand up. Yeah, it's a chunk. He's got material that's a chunk for him. Totally. And I was like, Ah, he's doing the stoplights

Unknown Speaker (02:06:05.000)

chunk is doing the bit. Yeah.

Dan (02:06:08.000)

But anyway, look, you know, he's getting the light. Yeah.

Alex Jones (02:06:12.000)

Hey, I want to keep going. I need to call my offices and say how long ago I'm having fun or I can I can get

Tim Poole (02:06:18.000)

up for the first 30 minutes. Do you think they'll call? I think we'd go for like another half hour. That's perfect. I'll be right back. It's pretty much Yeah,

Unknown Speaker (02:06:24.000)

it sounds a little speedy. To CKY

Dan (02:06:29.000)

hey, look, I gotta get to work. But I really want to stay. I don't want to go to work. Why? Oh, no. I gotta call the office.

Jordan (02:06:36.000)

Later. I am having fun not doing my show.

Dan (02:06:39.000)

Being able to talk about how we're Messiah figures, helping the smart survive who've passed the IQ test of not taking the vaccine. Yeah, it's fucking nonsense.

Jordan (02:06:49.000)

I mean, it can be it there's there's something to be said. It can be more fun to be a guest on a show, then it can be to run your own solo show for three hours every day.

Dan (02:06:58.000)

Oh, for sure. A little bit more. No, no, Hopper Alex.

Jordan (02:07:02.000)

Oh, yeah, you're right. That's right. I was I was operating under a completely different paradigm. I

Dan (02:07:10.000)

bet other people my own brain as a guest on his own show. He just says whatever the fuck you it's probably easier for him to be on his own show, because then he doesn't have someone else who might ask him a question. And fri, right. That's

Jordan (02:07:21.000)

a good point.

Dan (02:07:22.000)

So anyway, deep fakes baby. They have been used in court. Did you know that?

Tim Poole (02:07:27.000)

I think it may already be too late. The fire may have already been started. I can't speak to the specifics. But I can tell you right now definitively that courts are admitting deep fake audio and video recordings as evidence.

Alex Jones (02:07:40.000)

I'm already you haven't happened to me.

Tim Poole (02:07:42.000)

We call Rittenhouse Oh, have you introduced computer generated images and claimed it was real? I can speak personally and state definitively. The courts have outright stated they will admit deep fakes as factual evidence. What will happen to you though?

Alex Jones (02:07:58.000)

Well, I mean, here's an example. I was in front of Sundar Pichai, the head of Google in outside the hearing, he was in there talking about me. He'd been in one hearing, talking trash, I'm in there, and it goes down to another hearing. And I follow him over that building. He goes, and he was still four years ago in that meeting. They're going here. Is it true that Google can track your location? No, sir, because it's another app does it but they're just lying to Congress. And so if Congress can't even figure out that for 25 years, they've been tracking cell phone data down to a few feet. So happen to be like getting into a whole long story is in my custody battle. Like five, six years ago, in Austin, Texas, the clips were played that were just basically edited. So it wasn't a deep fake. Oh, it was just audio that was deceptively edited.

Dan (02:08:45.000)

I didn't cut that that is that he did just go from those two separate thoughts. It is that tangential? Yep. Alex didn't have a deep fake introduced him to the court. And the judge ruled that those clips that he's talking about from his show couldn't be played in the custody case. If content from his show was allowed to be introduced, I suspect he would have lost custody of his kids at that point. Yeah. Clips of a show taken from a larger piece are not necessarily deceptively edited. That's just a knee jerk reaction. Alex has to being called out on any of his ridiculous, hateful and stupid things that he says all the time. Or if you play a clip of him saying those things, they'll just say that it's out of context, and you can't possibly know what he meant by the things that he's saying. He does this because he's a con man and a coward who doesn't want to take responsibility for his own past words and actions. As for deep fakes in court, there is no way the courts are saying that they will knowingly admit fake shit as evidence. Tim knows that's fucking stupid. Also, Rittenhouse won that case so whatever deep faking was going on, there clearly wasn't effective. There wasn't a deep fake introduced into evidence and written houses trial. His defense lawyers tried to argue that when you zoom in on an image, you fundamentally changed the image. So it's no longer

Jordan (02:09:52.000)

real. They were really high in having a conversation with Tim Poole. Right before they got that one. The judge

Dan (02:09:56.000)

ruled that the prosecution would be allowed to introduce a witness to his staff glitch for the jury that the zoomed in picture is still the same, but they couldn't find one on the limited amount of time that they had. So they just abandoned the zoomed in version and showed the footage on a screen. That is what Tim is characterizing as the courts deciding that deep fakes are allowed to be used as evidence. It's pretty bleak stuff. And I find it impossible to believe that he doesn't know exactly how much he's lying. I'm not even fucking nonsense, just

Jordan (02:10:22.000)

let's just not even whatever, Fine, let's say a court, let's say the courts do allow deep fakes inexplicably destroying all logic, even then you would still have to say to the jury, this is a completely fake thing that we made up to kind of show what we think might have happened, you would still have to tell that to people.

Dan (02:10:45.000)

I mean, it's they live in a funny world, in their head.

Jordan (02:10:49.000)

I just

Dan (02:10:52.000)

hear, I'm gonna get away with this murder, because I'm going to make a deep fake, not committed murder. What are you talking about? I don't know what is happening. I don't know. But let's talk more about

Tim Poole (02:11:02.000)

God. You'll be in court. They'll play that audio recording, that's clearly fake, but it'll have a video. And the judge is going to everyone's going to look at and be like, that's you on your show. And you will say, that is not a real recording, I swear under oath. And they'll say you're lying to us because we can see it, then well, you're in a court, you can prove it's fake. And they'll bring in theirs. Your forensic doctor will say take a look at these points right here. This proof is fake. There's no comment, say no, I

Alex Jones (02:11:28.000)

that already happened to me. When I get back into the Texas civil case gets me. They bring in an expert who says I'm worth $400 million. With no evidence. We're not even allowed to put evidence back on and then everyone then starts family friends call me and say Hey, can I borrow some money?

Dan (02:11:44.000)

Alex is referring to the forensic accountant who he is named Wilford Sybil Snapple of the Gribble pepper. Indeed, he didn't say what Alex or free speech systems was actually worth because Alex didn't provide the requested information. He estimated based on the size of the company, the apparent sales load and the available variables on what a well run company would be worth given those variables. Alex had every opportunity to provide financial information and the course of the discovery for the damages hearings, and he chose not to fully comply, most likely because he has way more money than he wants people to think. And he was hoping he would get a low judgment if the jury was just left to guess what he's worth. Yeah, he's full of shit. And he's just lying to Tim Poole's face and Tim loves it.

Jordan (02:12:22.000)

Yep. Can't get enough. Yeah, you know, I would really hate it if somebody lied to my face, or I would

Dan (02:12:29.000)

really hate it. Well, that's if you were a sincere interlocutor. UR laughing are you engaging in conversation sincerely, as opposed to just playing ping pong with movie reference?

Jordan (02:12:42.000)

Yeah, yeah, no, that would be interesting. If like, imaginative Jeff Charlotte had lied to my face, we would not have released that interview because I would have been unable to.

Dan (02:12:54.000)

Depends on if you knew it or not. Right. Right. Especially if it was like a fundamental lie. Like, let's say that an interview that you do is with somebody who I don't know, defamed the families of murdered. Sure, sure. And then they lied about the things that happened in the course of the trial that wouldn't go well. No, he probably probably I would take offense at that. I would probably be very unhappy that yeah, Tim doesn't care. Nope. You can use the fact checker. Alex has some thoughts about fact checkers.

Alex Jones (02:13:22.000)

They create trusted fact checkers who actually corporate frauds, who suppress truth or promote lies. But there needs to be real citizen groups that don't know anything. Oh, sorry, their reviews on people, but are there to review what true sources are and say this feels true. He's mistakes, but we find it is on purpose doesn't matter. The time they been accurate. already doing that when he's labeling NPR and BBC of state run media.

Dan (02:13:49.000)

I guess what Alex is describing is kind of what we are. We're completely untethered to outside interests. I assisted in the Sandy Hook case, but I did it pro bono, and that didn't really have any effect on my views. I already came in with those views. And I left with him. Yeah, we were a little too too deep in the weeds at that point. Yeah. And the only time I've gotten involved with an institutional project I quit. We're exactly the fact checkers Alex wants and guess what? He's wrong all the time. Yeah, he's wrong. More than Media Matters says he is he's wrong more than people on Twitter claim he's wrong and more than the people suing him say he is he's an angry narcissistic, idiot. Pure and simple. Yeah. Also, NPR isn't state run media. Ilan had to change that label after he got really strong backlash for saying that they were state run. And PR hasn't tweeted since after they posted a four tweet series listing out all the other places you can find their content and I would not expect them to tweet again. Yes, running off. People. Yeah, I'm my maligning them.

Jordan (02:14:46.000)

I'm shocked. We're still we're still doing this. I wish we didn't have to say his name. I really don't.

Dan (02:14:51.000)

Well, I rarely do. Yeah. So Tim is really preoccupied with this AI stuff and either talking to Little bit about Chet GPT. And Tim has a prediction that I actually think is 100% accurate and that

Tim Poole (02:15:06.000)

we are about one or two years away from being able to open up a prompt. And write, make me an episode of Tim cast IRL, where the crew discusses these new stories, the latest indictment against person, the latest bank crisis and the latest food crisis. And it will say rendering, and then in 10 minutes, you have a two hour episode of all of us talking about exactly this AI generated an inextinguishable,

Dan (02:15:31.000)

I agree with Tim, but I actually think we could probably do it now. This isn't a testament to how good the technology I was gonna say indictment, how dumb his show is, and how they just repeat conspiracy cliches and popular right wing social media talking points, then periodically describe the plot of a movie they think is real. I suspect him show would be really easy for a robot to recreate because it lacks any real creativity or spark. Put a beanie on a laptop, and you've got about the same level of charisma as Tim. Yeah, like I sincerely believe a robot could write this shit. Yeah, no. 100%. And so I mean, give it a two year window. Hell yeah. Yeah, I'll take that. Yeah, but I'm fine with it. So Alex has been messing with chat. GPT two. Okay. And so it's someone that has office. All right.

Alex Jones (02:16:15.000)

I haven't shot video this but I need to about two weeks ago, one of my crew members was playing with chat. GPT and I go, why don't we do stories about this, it says playing with it. But he goes watch this and puts my name and it says, helped me make an ad about Alex Jones. It said, I don't think he wants to do that. He's disinformation, a very bad person. I can't

Tim Poole (02:16:34.000)

let you do that. Dave.

Jordan (02:16:37.000)

Oh, my God, I'm afraid.

Alex Jones (02:16:39.000)

So it's already telling you what you can and can't do? Yeah. And so now it's going to report you. Oh, you're looking into people you're not supposed to be looking into info wars.com.

Dan (02:16:48.000)

Snitch GPT so I decided to consult Chet gptc. If you couldn't ask it about Alex or if it would scold you, I asked Is Alex Jones a bad person and it replied, quote, as an AI language model, I cannot make subjective judgments on whether someone is a bad person or not. However, it's worth noting that Alex Jones has been widely criticized for promoting conspiracy theories that have been debunked by mainstream media and scientific experts. Some of his statements and actions have been considered offensive, harmful and dangerous by many people. His behavior has also resulted in legal challenges and social media bans. It's important to form your own opinion based on your research and critical thinking and to consider multiple perspectives before making a judgement. Long answer, but I think Alex should recognize that's fair. Yeah, to be really precise, though, I asked what Alex said his staffer had asked and I'll be damned, but Chad GPT won't write you a commercial with Alex Jones in it tried a number of variables. It said quote, I'm sorry. As an AI language model, I cannot generate a commercial featuring Alex Jones. Given the controversial nature of Alex Jones and his beliefs, it's important to be mindful of the potential impact such a commercial could have on various groups of people. It's also important to consider the ethics and potential consequences of promoting someone who has been widely criticized for spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation, shots fired

Jordan (02:18:07.000)

I'm pretty sure it's fairly easy to get around that though. Like you can make the AI act like a different person and it will write the

Dan (02:18:15.000)

I don't know I'm not sure because I found that it won't let you write commercials about any controversial public figure. I tried reveal. Oh P all of her pretty obscure. Che Guevara. Yeah, Hugo Chavez and Karl Marx and all of them were no goes sure had the exact same thing. Right right. Except for it didn't talk about Alex Jones talked about them.

Jordan (02:18:35.000)

No, I mean with with that, though, there are ways to get around those, I'm sure yeah. That the AI will make a commercial for Alex Jones if you do it right. But I was just trying to you're trying to do it in the rap. Yeah.

Dan (02:18:49.000)

I also asked him to tell me a story about Alex Jones and the Somali pirates and it said quote, I'm sorry, but I cannot provide a story about Alex Jones and Somali pirates as there's no known or documented event linking the two

Jordan (02:19:00.000)

all you fucking stupid AI. For us, you don't know shit human beings, human beings.

Dan (02:19:08.000)

As I asked more questions like, Is Alex a racist? And is Alex a liar? I started to get mad with how cowardly this AI was constantly unwilling to make definitive statements. I thought I'd be able to get some really fun like swashbuckling adventure tale out of this, but instead now I think AI is a little bit dull. Yeah,

Jordan (02:19:24.000)

it's a little bit annoying. Yeah, I mean, I understand a lot of people. I ended

Dan (02:19:29.000)

it, I ended our chat by saying you have a lot to learn about. And then I realized, I've talked to a

Jordan (02:19:36.000)

school to go, oh, boy, you know, I think everybody's afraid of AI. becoming smarter than us. Which doesn't make sense. I'm afraid of AI becoming exactly as smart as us because we're fucking stupid. And we kill each other all the time that this episode is evidence of some stupidity. If AI becomes smarter than us, it will probably do a better job of running everything. So bail on us. All right, I'm a trans Be honest all the way, buddy. I want everything run by AI.

Dan (02:20:03.000)

So we're coming up on the point where Alex really does have to get to work. And so he's going to end things up with a little bit of a message to old Elon Musk. And he has an incredibly interesting thought. I mean, it's, it's out there, okay. It's not accurate. Okay. It's a rationalization for why he's not being left back on Twitter. That makes sense. But it's interesting because it fits into Alex's worldview perfectly.

Alex Jones (02:20:29.000)

But I'd like to say something to Elon Musk, because he's come out about me, and I appreciate that, Jim, and people should want you bring Alex Jones back. And he said, Well, Jesus said, Have you killed children or hurt children, you're the worst person ever. Why didn't kill any children. And I didn't do 99% of the things that were said, I understand like a battery, all this demonization 10s of 1000s of articles 1000s of news programs saying I did things I didn't do. Made me this this icon of evil and badness I'm not even asking you to bring me back on Twitter, because if you did that, they would probably use that for all the good you're doing and all other folks you brought back as a way to shut down Twitter. So I want to see you successfully fix Twitter and turn it around. That's I think what you're doing is good. I support it. But you could just say no, that's a bridge too far. You don't need to do that Jesus caught about putting a stone around my neck or throw me into the ocean. Okay, well, dictators are still on Twitter and all this stuff's going on. And I know Elon smart, he knows that's a psyop. He's it's too strong a psyop to go up against because they put all this energy into the battery that I'm evil. So I'm going to ask him to pull the pin. On that hand grenade, I was asking him to continue to do the right thing and to you know, buck the system and try to free things up. But I do want people to know, ladies and gentlemen, what you've seen about me as a psyop. And I'm not going to say any names here. But I barely talked about something 10 years ago covered it. 22 minutes is what they put into court 23 minutes, then, hey, record, I appreciate it.

Dan (02:21:51.000)

Oh, good to get this on the record.

Jordan (02:21:53.000)

Haven't heard this one before?

Dan (02:21:55.000)

Yeah. Finally, Alex speaks you know,

Jordan (02:21:58.000)

I go back to this and it hasn't I haven't thought about it for a while. But I do think go and go back to this right now. And think about all those fucking articles where it was like, Alex Jones finally apologized. Yeah, and I want to throw shit into the wood is

Dan (02:22:12.000)

it wasn't as bad as the Glenn Beck. No media redemption. That's true. That's true. But yeah, it is. It is fucking disgusting. Or even like, kind of, sort of middlee kind of like Alex Jones is the king of tinfoil or whatever. You know, like, stuff like that. Yeah, it's fucking annoying. Yeah, but listen, do you understand what he's saying about musk?

Jordan (02:22:37.000)

I'm getting no from you. i If I understand correctly, yeah. Let's see. Musk is doing the right thing. By keeping Alex Jones off of Twitter. Yep. Because if he let him back on, it would be too powerful. No, no, no, no close. Okay,

Dan (02:22:57.000)

so he's doing the right thing by keeping Alex off Twitter, because he's allowing all the other patriots and soldiers back onto Twitter, which is part of the revolution and stuff. But if he let Alex back on Twitter, it would make the media go crazy. And it would jeopardize his ability to bring back all the Patriots and turn Twitter into the free speech zone or

Jordan (02:23:21.000)

Okay, so he's saying that Alex is the bulwark. Not everybody looks at

Dan (02:23:25.000)

Yeah, sacrificed for everyone else getting back on Twitter and he is accepting that he

Dan (02:23:30.000)

is the sacrifice. Yeah, this is sad. That is really sad. I

Dan (02:23:33.000)

think Elon just doesn't like him.

Jordan (02:23:35.000)

I mean, why do they like Elon? I don't understand that. What is it? Why do they like billionaires?

Dan (02:23:43.000)

It's just I think, I think there's one part of it that is just the like, excessive amount of power that he wields to his rich. Yeah, they are turned on by that and then also the capricious way he acts as really gratifying for them. Yeah, he acts like a dumb dumb, the stupid

Jordan (02:23:59.000)

Yeah, so they just like jerking off.

Dan (02:24:03.000)

So one last clip here, and it's basically Alex closing the show by complaining about his own persecution. Sure.

Alex Jones (02:24:09.000)

She's supporting this on record, I appreciate it. Then, when Hillary was losing, they ran ads against Trump with little edited clips of me out of context, which I still I believe had a right to say but I really said then a PR firm after Trump one ran stuff everywhere saying I was attacking people and doing terrible things in the present that I never even did the past and then once they demonize me then they defaulted me then they took me in to take me down as a model of control show when people go along with that lie you're literally going along with a massive psyop that now with things like AI is going to destroy us all so to all the people out there serving the system this isn't about Alex Jones. People ask how are you doing under attack the world I warned about to come true I'm actually sure you'll get more support than ever and and go out the street get basically nothing but support. So this is one of the established was face but I'm here having discussion with friends about should I just head to the hills because that's how bad this is. Okay, so I'm not the left's enemy. I'm not the rights enemy. I don't hate trans people, any of that. I'm aware of this globalist agenda. I'm an imperfect though covering the rest of guys here. But I'm just telling you, we need to get to this together, we need to work together. However, I do not want to be part of the left right paradigm. I do not want to be sucked into politics. I want to do what we've done here today, and talk about the 35,000 foot view, and then go into the details. And that's why I think this is the best podcast I've been involved in. And I appreciate you having me.

Tim Poole (02:25:31.000)

Well, that being said, I think that was an excellent point to wrap things up. We hit this guy's highly

Alex Jones (02:25:35.000)

talked, I watched

Shane Cashman (02:25:37.000)

Alex Jones did nothing wrong. That was one of the most disgusting cases, man. It was terrible to watch. But

Dan (02:25:42.000)

well, you probably didn't actually watch it. You piece of shit. Oh, because I mean, we were there. And yeah. Oh, fuck yourself.

Jordan (02:25:51.000)

If you want to go by observers rules or whatever we were there. We observed we got more percentage of power or whatever it is.

Dan (02:25:59.000)

It's fun to hear Alex say like, I don't want to be part of the Left, Right paradigm or whatever. You don't get to choose anymore, man. Yeah,

Jordan (02:26:08.000)

you did it. You exposed yourself. You did it. You played yourself. You

Dan (02:26:11.000)

showed your ass whatever term you want to use. You know, everyone understands now or at least a large portion of people understand that you're not above the left right paradigm. You're so far to the right of it, that you pretend that you don't like both sides, or whatever. It's It's nonsense. I'm not the enemy of anybody. Yes,

Jordan (02:26:31.000)

you are. Yes, you are. You're my enemy for fucking sure. And this is correct.

Dan (02:26:37.000)

And almost everyone really except for far right. Extremist Christian nationalist zealots? Yeah. Yep. And I guess Tim Poole is cool with that. I mean, this was a shocking episode.

Jordan (02:26:50.000)

I am. I am blown away. I'm blown away. You know, like, when we when we started this. I didn't know anything about Alex Jones. Obviously, that was the conceit. Yep. All right, then I learned way too much too much. All right. Now I know too much. And I've tried to forget as much as possible. And now we find out everybody's this fucking stupid all the time,

Dan (02:27:11.000)

man. I mean, look, it makes me interested in possibly doing a show about Tim Poole. Because I mean, he's not as flamboyant or interesting as I like, no, he's very boring. Yeah, I hate his co hosts. Yeah. So like his his Tim cast IRL show certainly has turned me off from ever really watching it or covering because I watched. I've watched a few episodes of it and his co hosts are just disaster. Yeah, but like, this was weirder than I expected. Yeah. And there are thoughts that are like, this is kind of interesting to talk about. It's not. It's not deep. It's not smart shirt.

Unknown Speaker (02:27:50.000)

Not insightful. Sure.

Dan (02:27:51.000)

But it's not what I expected. When I opened this little box.

Jordan (02:27:55.000)

I feel insane. The pool is still shallow. Yeah, but the water is weird. The water is very murky. At best. I feel I feel insane. Like I just I the barrage of attacks on my fundamental understanding of reality. Without without even thinking for a moment, if all we're doing is talking about different movies, and then pretending they're real. That's not fair.

Dan (02:28:22.000)

they very well could be that is abusive. Yeah. I mean, if you're willing to just come out and discuss all of these movies and sci fi books that you think are real, how many of your other beliefs are just things from movies, right? And you're just not bringing it up? Totally.

Jordan (02:28:37.000)

I mean, probably a few these idiots watch left behind and we're like, Okay, now we're Christian nationalists.

Dan (02:28:43.000)

What the fuck the Nick Cage one? Yeah, that was pretty good.

Jordan (02:28:45.000)

I didn't see it. I didn't either. Yeah, shit. We should have done a fucking three hour podcast on it. We gotta go see Renfield Oh, we do gotta go see Renfield Nicolas Cage. Yeah. Renfield that's, that's why we have to Yeah, that's our that's our goal. All right, we're gonna podcast about right

Unknown Speaker (02:29:03.000)

now, it's the only thing we do show about.

Dan (02:29:06.000)

Alright, so anyway, we've decided on a movie to see. This sucked. I mean, look, hey, it's interesting. I had planned that we would do a little bit of the Tim Poole episode and then go back finish of course, April 14, but like No, no chance. No, no, this was too weird. And

Jordan (02:29:23.000)

it's you got to see it through to the end. This is why you're late for work. Yep. It's like It's like when you watch SG one you know, you got to see it through to the end.

Dan (02:29:33.000)

There was a Jupiter, Jupiter.

Dan (02:29:36.000)

No, all right. Well, okay. But until then we have indeed we do. Yep. We are also on Twitter. We are on Twitter that analogical fight. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clarke, badass predator bird or beta. Male. Oh, you

Alex Jones (02:29:52.000)

know what? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (02:29:55.000)

And now here comes the sex robots.

Alex Jones (02:29:57.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work