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Dan and Jordan.
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a victim caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledgefight.
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N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledgefight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and also talk a little bit
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about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you, my friend.
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What's up?
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What's your Bright Spot today?
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Um, well, uh, side Bright Spot.
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Side Bright Spot.
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My aunt was in town this weekend.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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And we went, uh, for dinner.
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Uh, and I went to, she was, uh, flipping the bill, uh, we went to Morton's The Steakhouse.
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Ooh.
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Um, almost got a sundae, their legendary sundae.
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You didn't get their legendary sundae.
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Well, but I was thinking about doing it for the Dreamy Creamy Summer.
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Sure.
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Um, but I saw them walk by with one and there was no fucking way.
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I was, it's, it was like a fish bowl.
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I know, it is a massive, it's offensive.
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It's an entire meal unto itself.
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You should go there just for that.
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Yeah.
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But it was a very nice time.
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It was great to see her and her husband.
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Uh, but the Bright Spot is polar seltzer as a new flavor out and I tried it and it is
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the best.
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Really?
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I honestly think that this would do numbers in the year of the seltzer had it been around.
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Right, right, right.
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It is a pink apple lemon flavor seltzer and it is right on honey, honey crisp apple, my
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friend.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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I'm, I'm fascinated by this pink apple lemon and so it's like pink lemonade plus a honey
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crisp apple.
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No, pink apple and lemon, not pink lemonade and apple.
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Right, but I mean the pink, I've never heard pink apple before.
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What about a pink lady?
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What about a pink lady?
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That's a kind of apple.
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I understand that, but it's, oh my God, nevermind.
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Or a honey crisp.
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No, we're talking around each other.
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No, we're not.
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This is not going to be solved today.
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You're the one who's confused.
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I know exactly what I'm talking about.
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I'm trying to think of the flavor.
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It's so good.
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Okay, you do know exactly what you're talking about.
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It's refreshing.
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I believe you.
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Oh my God.
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I like apple juice, but sometimes too sweet.
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Too sweet.
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I also think.
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Needs a little bitter.
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Right.
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For the balance.
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Right, but I also think that sometimes those like ciders that you get at a bar, too tart.
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Little too sour.
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Yeah.
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Not good.
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Little, nice sweet spot.
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Good stuff?
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So good.
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All right.
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Probably 97.
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Oh shit.
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Yeah.
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That is.
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I can think of few ways that it could be better.
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Right.
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Wow.
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Polar, I think, I think low key might be the best.
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All right.
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Well, we'll see if that's recency bias.
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I'm going to have to say that you're going to have to start over from the beginning and
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re-taste all of those other stuff.
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From the top.
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Let's go.
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is a Dragon Ball Z, my friend, as we, I'm regressing, I'm clearly regressing
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into a childlike state.
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And I was like, what am I, what do I need to do?
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And I realized I needed a soap opera and that is what Dragon Ball Z is.
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It's just like professional wrestling.
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It's a soap opera with fight scenes from time to time.
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It's all about the buildup.
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And then the fight is actually kind of boring, honestly.
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It's very predictable.
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Sure.
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The whole thing.
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And the formula is nonstop the same, nonstop the same, a commitment to a formula so staid
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and boring that it's almost admirable, honestly.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry I'm barely paying attention.
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I'm really trying to figure out a way to make RuPaul's Dragon Ball Race Z work.
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But it just, I can't make it work.
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It's not going to happen.
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There's a pun in there, my friend.
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I really wish there was, but I think better minds than you have driven themselves mad
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trying to find it.
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I've seen the best minds out of my generation driven mad by trying to make this pun.
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Fuck.
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Yep.
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Well, I'm glad you're enjoying that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, I mean, enjoying isn't quite the word, but it's good.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over and I'll explain all about it in a moment.
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But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, the look of confusion on the waitress's face at Olive Garden when I tried to order
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the Lionel Sperlinghetti.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I'd like to do punch up on this.
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What?
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I tried to order the Lionel Sperlinghetti and meatballs.
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Okay.
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That's a little bit better.
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Yeah.
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You got to see if we were in a workshop talking about jokes, you need a tag on there.
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That's the meatballs.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Anyway, next live tonight, it's Dr. Toots and the Bachelor Squatch Trio.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Oh boy.
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So you are now a policy wonk.
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Oh, so you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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Oh no.
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This is a shout out.
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Happy Father's Day to Paul Griffiths.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Happy Father's Day to all you fathers out there.
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Next, NarkArtFunkel.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And we got a couple of technocrats here in the mix.
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Ooh.
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So first, Dawn Ford, Voice Of Fantasy and Adventure.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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Luke loves Josie and both of us love this podcast. Thank you so much. You are now technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually.
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I'm just going to take a little break down. A little breaky for me.
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And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over.
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But I'm the devil. I got to be taking over here.
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I mean all this. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day,
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fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
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Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
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That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again.
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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having
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breakdowns on here. I'll be better tomorrow. He's not. Never will be and never was.
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Nope. So today, Jordan, I'm sick of Alex's bullshit.
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Sure. The publicity stunt shit from last week. Just very annoying.
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Really bad taste in my mouth. Really drains you.
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But simultaneously there's not a lot of other very good outlets to look into.
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Uh, Jim Baker, dry well. Dead.
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Uh, there's no more Squatch Talk yet on Project Camelot. So I don't know where to go with that.
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Can't go back to the forest on that one too many times.
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No. And I did check in on a number of episodes from 2003 and I was just boring.
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Boringly wasting my time this weekend. Oh no.
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Just a woo. And so I realized that there was something that I had been meaning to do for a
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while. Oh. And that is go over September 11th, 2001. Oh no. Oh my God. Do you know how funny
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that is because of the, the, did you see the picture going around?
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No. Apparently ESPN's Yankees Red Sox.
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Oh, that picture. Yeah. That picture is so funny.
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Ground zero. Those very distasteful. Twin towers of New York and Boston Red Sox.
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Yeah. So this is a little bit of weird timing. Amazing.
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Um, but here, here's the situation. Like, um, one of the reasons we haven't covered this already was
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I didn't have access to the audio initially when we first started this podcast. I didn't know how
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to find it. I didn't know where it was. Right.
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And so that was a limiting factor. And then as we got further into the podcast, I kind of thought
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like, ah, we'll save this. We'll save this for something. And stupidly, I was like, we'll save
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it for like, we do it live. I do a live show. Oh no.
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And gradually that felt like that's never going to be a good idea. And it just, the can got kicked
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down the road. And I don't know, an argument could be made that a professional podcaster
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might've done this for like episode 700 as opposed to 704.
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I really don't understand. Why, why have we numbered our episodes in the first place? It
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was a bad idea. Neither of us remember. It's just a way for people to have shorthand
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for like, it was in 205. I don't know. People asked me to do it. So I put numbers.
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Well, see, and now you're, you're beholden to the numbers game.
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But I'm not exactly clearly, but that's how we are doing September 11th and it's father's day
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on a unimportantly numbered episode. Yes. So here, here's the, here's the syllabus.
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Alex was on air during the day. Right.
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And that's what we're going to be talking about today. Then on Wednesday,
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we're going to be covering Alex's evening show. He was back on air from nine to midnight.
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Oh boy. That night.
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Yeah. And so obviously
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there's going to be different amounts of information that he's privy to different
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things will have happened. Right.
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And so over the course of these next couple episodes, we will experience his immediacy
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and he's like, eh, I've got a little time to simmer and we'll see if there's any differences.
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We'll see. We'll see how this goes. It's nice to go to the past and him being
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correct about Saddam's son still being alive. That's a, you know.
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Doesn't come up. Doesn't come up.
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Saddam does though in a very weird way. That makes sense.
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So, uh, one of the other things too, one of the other reasons that it was motivated to,
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uh, go forward with this for now is that also we're going to be in Austin. We're going to be,
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you know, doing a bit of like present day coverage of Alex and it feels like let's,
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let's have some fun while we can. We're going to be doing plenty of present
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day Alex for a while. And I worry that a lot of that will not be
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a super informative in the way that I kind of like a lot of the, our show to be.
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Sure. There's revelatory things when
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you go to the past and you experience stuff that's like, wait a second,
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what the fuck are you talking about? Right.
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And there's not as much of that in the present day.
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So we're recapping in the present as opposed to revealing.
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And some like, can you believe this? Yeah, I know. Right.
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Can you look at this asshole? Yeah.
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Um, and so, uh, get, you know, smoke them while you got them.
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Yeah. That's the, uh, the feeling I have. That's how we live.
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So here we go. Here is how Alex is starting off the show.
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And I will say that this is about exactly what you would expect.
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He's recounting the events that have happened up till the point that he gets on air himself.
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Well, I've been warning you about it for at least five years.
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Wow. All that terrorism that we've looked at
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Right at the gate.
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Oklahoma City to Waco has been government actions. They need this as a pretext to
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bring you and your family martial law. They're either using provocateur Arabs
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and allowing them to do it, or this is full complicity, complicity with the federal government.
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The evidence is overwhelming to bring you up to speed on what's happened.
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At 8 50 a.m. EDT plane hits world trade center.
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Nine 20 FBI says at least one plane hijacked.
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Nine 30 Eastern second jet crashes into world trade center.
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Plane hits Pentagon. Nine 40 federal officials said a U.S. airplane has hit the Pentagon.
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The crash comes nearly an hour after two planes hit the World Trade Center building.
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All U.S. buildings in Capitol Hill evacuated.
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10 13 10 15 World Trade Center South Tower collapses.
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10 20 report explosion at Capitol.
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10 30 U.S. congressional leaders, top cabinet officials moving to secure facilities.
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10 30 anchor.
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Another hijacked plane reported 20 minutes south of Washington, D.C.
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Second tower north collapses. Hijacked plane crashes south of Pittsburgh,
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P.A. Officials investigating at another hijacking with a plane headed towards D.C.
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And 10 45 all federal buildings in D.C. have been evacuated.
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So and then we're told other planes are in the air. They're finding bombs at schools.
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We don't know how many of these reports are accurate.
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We know the two planes have crashed into the World Trade Center.
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So here we see the way Alex opens up the show on 9 11,
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and there's a couple of things that stick out to me in a pretty serious way.
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The first has to do with the end of that clip,
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where Alex says that we're told there are other planes in the air and they're finding
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bombs at schools. But he's clear in this statement at this point.
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They had no idea if the things that are coming in are accurate.
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Right.
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There is an understanding that the immediacy of the events creates a fog of uncertainty,
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and that's not something that feels the same as how Alex operates today.
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No.
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The second thing I found really interesting is that Alex's take on this
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is exactly what you'd think it would be.
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Oh, yeah.
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Immediately, this is declared a false flag.
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It has to be because that's how the globalists are going to bring in martial law.
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But that didn't happen.
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There have been a lot of trends that have gotten worse since 9 11 in terms of
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surveillance and police militarization, but those things don't constitute martial law.
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These are the objectives of this false flag because they're the objectives Alex
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always immediately declares to blame his imaginary enemies for every tragic event that occurs.
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And this just fits in with that for sure.
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The third thing I want to point out is that Alex has already declared this a false flag.
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He knows literally nothing that will eventually appear in his documentaries about 9 11,
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all of the real or imagined anomalies that he points to in order to build his case.
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This is critical because it really does illustrate how he arrived at his conclusion
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long before seeking out evidence, which is not a good process.
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I guess what I'm saying is that if Alex knew that this was a false flag
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hours before Building 7 even fell, then he shouldn't be able to use Building 7
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in his explanation of what makes the argument that this was a false flag.
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All of the evidence he should need to present has to be in his head
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prior to his determination that this is a false flag,
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or else that evidence is no longer really evidence necessarily,
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or at least it's suspicious that it could be trivia
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that he sought out to justify the conclusion that he wanted to push.
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And I think that description is really apt.
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If you look at the conspiracy theories that were pushed in films like the
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Alex-produced Loose Change, which was also produced by Info Wars employee Jason Burmas,
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aka the Info Warrior, you start to get the picture that this was the process
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that Alex world was using to deal with information.
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That documentary had to be re-released multiple times because things in the film
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were debunked to the point that making their inclusion in the documentary embarrassing.
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They had to be edited out.
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For instance, in various incarnations of the film, Flight 93 was originally shot down,
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and then it was diverted to Cleveland's Hopkins Airport,
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and then that entire storyline was edited out of the Final Cut version.
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It's important to keep this dynamic in our heads
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as we experience the way Alex covers the day's tragedy.
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He already has a conclusion, and he's trying to find justification for that conclusion,
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whether or not that justification means anything or is even real.
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Yeah, you had quite a response there though.
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I mean, one, have you seen the new edit of his 9-11 movie?
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I have not.
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It's just him going bah, and that's it.
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They've edited out all the embarrassing parts, and that's what was left behind.
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All that's left behind is it being like, this is about me.
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You see that?
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Secretly, this is about me.
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Yes, I know that the World Trade Center is literally still on fire,
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but have I told you that I told you so?
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I mean, that is amazing to me, you know?
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It's pretty shitty.
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Like, in the present day, you hear him do shit like that for a mass shooting,
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and you go, Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, you know?
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But you feel like that's with 30 years of being a giant piece of shit under your belt, you know?
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To know that right out the gate on 9-11, he's like, boom, called it.
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That's his story.
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Yeah.
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An insane psychopathic narcissist serial killer level shit is what that is.
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I remember 9-11 and being at school when it happened,
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and I remember the teachers being very somber.
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There was a tone of a lot of respect.
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Totally.
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It feels really absent from Alex.
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One of the things I compare this to is, if you listen to the episode of Bill Cooper,
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After a Tragedy, I think it was the episode after Columbine that you can find,
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and he's crying on air about the tragedy and how he feels for these families.
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He has kids, you know?
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And like, I don't want to deify Bill Cooper.
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He's an asshole.
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No, absolutely an asshole.
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He's a shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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On air, he recognized on some way that people are hurting, and it's okay to hurt.
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Yeah.
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And Alex doesn't have that at all.
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No, he's an absolute psychopath.
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Like, there's really no way to describe him other than a complete psycho.
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We are, like, an hour and a half after the planes hit the building,
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and he's on air being like,
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Ladies and gentlemen, the globalists have done it again.
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9-11 is...
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Wow!
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That is amazing.
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There were high school kids in my leading prayer circles.
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Like, it was that kind of shit.
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Like, people who weren't religious were joining them.
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Totally, no.
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I walked in the door, and there were people in circles.
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Like, all of a sudden, they're praying to all kinds of gods, and you're like,
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Whoa! Jesus!
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I recall that the school, the high school that I went to, they basically made a thing.
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It was like, if you want to go home, you can.
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But if you want to stay at school, all the rest of the classes for the rest of the day
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are just basically gonna be, we're just gonna talk.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was kind of a, let's work through, like, how to process what happened.
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And weirdly, I had a psychology class that afternoon.
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Listen, we're gonna watch a movie.
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Yeah, so that actually kind of dovetailed with dealing with trauma.
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I think a lot of that process went fairly well.
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This is not that.
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No.
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This is bad.
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Yeah, that's amazing.
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It's really weird to think that I was in this class talking about,
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everyone's opening up about their feelings about this.
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And some people had family who lived in New York.
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Totally.
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They were talking about their fears about it.
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Absolutely.
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Not being able to contact folks.
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And simultaneously in Austin, Texas, Alex is recording this.
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Called it!
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Shitty.
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Nailed that one.
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Put that one on the board for Alex.
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Put one in the yes column.
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Thank you.
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So here's Alex talking about who he's got to talk to that day.
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Oh boy.
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This is pandemic.
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This is one of the biggest stories of the last century and now into the 21st century.
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We're going to have Dave Uncleis and Joyce Riley joining us.
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Other Genesis hosts, one of which lives in New York.
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But we have an eyewitness coming up after this break if his cell phone holds Jim Wright.
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We also have a landline for him, but landlines aren't working too well.
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So it's nice to see Alex sort of, you know, recognizing the gravity of the situation.
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I suppose.
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You know, like because sometimes there'll just be like some weird anti-vex
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fake talking point and he'll tell you to stop traffic.
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Right.
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Whereas this is the biggest story of his life.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And he's recognizing that like this is the biggest thing in the last century.
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Right, right, right.
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So great.
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You almost expect him to call Steve and Steve is in New York City just being...
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I did it.
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Just being like, oh Jesus, Alex, you didn't even ask if I was doing all right.
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I was, I wasn't in the building, but I'm next door, man.
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Alex, this isn't going to make sense, but you've got to call Leo Zagami.
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He did this.
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He's got it.
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Yeah.
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So that was one of the things that struck me is that Alex's bench for his guests is shallow.
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There are no heavy hitters that he can get on the show.
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Just other GCN hosts.
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And this Jim Wright guy who's a personal friend of his who was there and saw the attack firsthand.
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Wild.
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I think he's married to Alex's sister or something like that.
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Sure.
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There's a familial connection.
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He's just a friend of his.
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Right.
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I like it.
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I know that he doesn't actually meet Steve Pachanik until 2002 and he won't run into
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Roger for like another 12 years after this, but it seems strange that he couldn't get
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like Steve Quayle or Joel Skousen on.
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Some of these old timers who are like real anti-communist weirdos.
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Yeah.
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Or even some of the loosely connected to GCN folks that would later be his standby experts
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like Webster Tarpley or Stanley Monteith or even Alan Watts.
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Not Alan Watts.
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No, of course not.
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The reality is that this doesn't mean anything, but it's something to note.
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They're like none of the good weirdos are around at this point.
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It is just whoever else is associated with GCN or is friends with Alex.
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Yeah.
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Is it that so much or is it possible he tried to get in contact with them and they were
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like, do you realize that 9-11 is happening right now?
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I didn't cut this clip.
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No, they wouldn't because they're psychos too.
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I think if people recognize that Alex was a useful place to appear, then I think that
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they would probably make time.
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Right.
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I think that Alex isn't a useful place to appear at this point.
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He does mention Benton K. Parton, who's a guy who OKC, Oklahoma City conspiracy theorist,
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friend of Alex's, and is a former general.
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Sure he is.
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Head of Air Force Weapons Development.
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That sounds true.
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Um, and at one point, his producer says that they were trying to call him and they're getting
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a busy signal.
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And so Alex announces on air, stop trying to call Benton.
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We need to get through to them as if he knows that his audience have his phone number, which
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he might.
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That's entirely possible.
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Yeah.
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We know that Larry Nichols gave out his number on air.
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Right.
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Now I'm, now I'm in this place where I'm like, is there, is there a heist putting together
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a crew moment for Alex where he's like walking into Webster Tarpley's bar one time and just
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like looking at him across there and it's like, it's time to get back on the horse,
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you know, like that kind of thing.
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If it was a bar, it would be big Jim Tucker.
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That's what I was thinking.
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I was thinking of big Jim Tucker smoking cigarettes.
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Yeah.
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Jim like looks up from a glass of whiskey neat and he's like, I knew you'd come.
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It's time for another job, right?
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Horses to Bilderberg.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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That's what needs to happen.
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So Alex has some evidence that he points to, to build his case that this is a false flag.
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And of course here's the biggest part of it.
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If you go to info wars.com, you'll find some interesting evidence there.
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The story from back in April out of the Baltimore sun, where the joint chiefs of staff were
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caught wanting to blow up civilian airliners, attack the Marines at Guantanamo Bay using
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an army company disguised as Cubans bomb Washington, DC.
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We have the James Bamford story, best-selling author, former 2020 executive with the CIA
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and NSA documents.
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The feds wanted to blow up civilian airlines, wanted to bomb Washington, wanted to shoot
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people in Miami as a pretext to invade Cuba in 1962.
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Uh, that is on info wars.com mainstream, but Kennedy said no six months later, his head
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was blown off.
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We have become a different society in 2001.
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So this is operation Northwoods, but he doesn't use the name.
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He mentions it multiple times, but I don't know if he knows the name or if he just doesn't
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trust that the audience will know the name, uh, and understand what he's talking about.
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Yeah.
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That is interesting.
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Yeah.
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Has, has that be, I mean, clearly I didn't know about it in 2001.
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Sure.
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It wouldn't surprise me if that particular thing gained more prominence or awareness
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in the greater conspiracy theory community in the past 20 years.
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No, I would, I would imagine so, but I would also imagine that if you're going to talk
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about this and you know a lot about it, you might want to give people a shorthand that
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they can use to look into it a little bit easier than I guess I'll try and figure out
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what plan JFK turned down in 1962.
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If you know the name operation Northwoods, it's a little bit easier to look into it.
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That is true.
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Um, and I, I don't know if it's negligence or if it's just Alex being obtuse.
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Uh, it could be, it could be anything.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's entire, entirely possible.
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Could just be he's green, man.
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He's not, he's not, he's still young.
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He doesn't know everything yet.
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He's got years and hours of study to put in.
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Well, 15 hours a day for 20 years for 20 years.
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That's an insane amount of effort.
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Yeah.
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Do you know how many beats he could make if he was Kanye?
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16.
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A total of 16 beats is the number he could make.
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Uh-huh.
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Um, so, uh, look, I, I think, uh, that Alex, uh, doesn't have great evidence, but here's
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a little bit more evidence.
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Back in 1993, it was in the New York times, October 28th that the feds trained the bombers,
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trained the drivers, took the bomb and allowed that bombing to go forward.
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Uh, they got caught because one of the informants recorded the FBI telling him to let the bombing
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go forward because he was worried about being framed for it.
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What am I saying?
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I'm saying who stands to gain from this?
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Who has the motive?
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Who can bring you martial law and destroy your freedom?
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The government, it's not our government.
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Stay with us.
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So that's not true.
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And Alex can't prove any of this stuff about the prior bombing of the World Trade Center.
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This all comes from comments made by Ahmad Salem, uh, an informant for the FBI who had
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a, uh, you know, he was inside the group that was planning that bombing.
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From all concrete information, the FBI was aware that a bombing was being planned, but
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they weren't aware of the specific details.
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After the bombing, Salem recorded, uh, conversations between himself and the FBI, where he made
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claims like that the bomb was cooked with the supervision of quote, the Bureau and the
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DA, but that's not something that's been substantiated in any way.
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And it was widely investigated and reported in the press at the time.
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Hmm. Also, it's important to remember that Salem, uh, committed, uh, admitted to committing
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perjury and also just lying a bunch.
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For instance, he admitted that quote, when he met his wife, he bragged falsely that he
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acted as security for the president of Egypt.
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This is from an article from 1995 in the LA Times quote.
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He said he began working with the FBI in May, 1991.
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During that time, he said he lied to an FBI agent falsely bragging that he knew Libya's
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leader, Muammar Gaddafi and Iraq's president Saddam Hussein, as well as the military and
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atomic capabilities of other countries.
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In addition to that, he lied under oath while serving as a state witness.
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So his credibility isn't strong enough to serve as the cornerstone of a conspiracy that
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the government did the prior bombing or nine 11.
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Right, right, right.
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But this is exactly what Alex wants to believe.
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So he will uncritically accept whatever information allows him to justify the conclusion he would
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reach with or without evidence.
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This is basically his whole game.
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Yeah.
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That's what we got.
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Yep, yep.
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Here's my, here's my feeling.
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Okay.
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If, if you lie to the FBI and they believe you, that's on them.
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I feel like that should be the rule for the FBI.
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You should be able to, you should know you're the FBI or the CIA.
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You shouldn't be able to just lie to the FBI or the CIA and have them go, sounds good to
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me, boss, and then get to work.
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That's insane.
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I think, I think that it's fanciful the way you think.
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I hold them to a higher standard of being able to at least look into whether or not
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a liar is lying to them.
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Well, whether, whether or not who is at fault for a lie.
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Sure.
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I think that it is indicative of your credibility if you lie.
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I agree.
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So that's more my point.
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This is, this is a side point.
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This is a side point.
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You sound like a BTK killer, man.
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I sound like the BTK killer?
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Cause you know, he only got caught because he sent a disc to the police.
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And part of the conditions of him sending this floppy disc to the police was that they
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had to promise not to trace it.
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So they did.
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Absolutely not.
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I'm not saying it's not a crime.
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I'm just saying that the FBI should take responsibility for their own fuckups.
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They shouldn't be like, Oh, I'm mad at this guy.
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I'm sure that guy committed a perjury and all that stuff.
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You have some weird feelings about state honesty.
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It's about fairness.
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It is about a fair world and justice, Dan.
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You just think that people shouldn't be able to be punished for successfully lying.
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I kind of do feel a bit like that.
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But if you successfully lie to the FBI, then you won't get in trouble anyway because you
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will have successfully lied to them.
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You only lie if they catch you in the lie.
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Right.
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But if they catch you later, it's on them.
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Well, I'm sure there's a statute of limitations.
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Sure.
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I feel like that's important.
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You should be able to get away with it after six months.
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Great.
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I'm glad we had this policy session.
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This is a really good one.
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So Alex has a number that he's going to put on the percent chance this was a false flag.
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And again, this is immediately.
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Five percent.
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No.
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Oh.
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We were able to get Jim via his cell phone there on the scene amongst all of the carnage.
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We should be praying for the dead and dying.
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Yeah, you sound sincere.
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And praying for this country.
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God heal this land, this modern Babylon that would create something like this.
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I'll tell you the bottom line.
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Ninety eight percent chance this was a government orchestrated
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control bombing.
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I've been telling you this was going to happen.
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Ninety eight percent chance.
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That is high.
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And pretty boilerplate for him.
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It's, you know, there's a thing I'm going to discuss a little bit later,
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but you can already see the kernels of it.
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Sure.
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Feels like a little bit of autopilot here on 9-11.
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I mean, other than like, I feel like he's excited, you know, he's like, oh shit, 9-11,
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this is a big deal.
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His ratings are way up.
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He mentions it a couple of times, like he has triple the amount of audience that he normally
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does.
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Yeah, this is a very early example of the tragedy is good for business kind of situation here.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Even if it's fucking 9-11.
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Yeah.
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Jesus.
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It's cynical, man.
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It's really bleak to look into this image of...
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Yeah, and it doesn't get better either.
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I'll say that.
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I believe that too.
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It is, it is always interesting to me whenever he's adding like this modern day Babylon where,
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like he's saying we have it coming too.
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You know, he's saying at the same time that the government did it to us and we're innocent.
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And at the same time, if we hadn't created such a shitty society, then the government
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wouldn't have done it to us.
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You understand that that sort of push and pull exists in the present day too.
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Like God maybe should destroy us.
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Yeah, well, maybe we deserve the devil to take over because we have abortions.
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Well, that is true.
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We do have abortions and the devil should take over.
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That tension I think animates a lot of the extreme Christian right.
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This like notion that we deserve this punishment that's coming.
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Sure.
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The punishment is almost like a holy process.
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Right, right, right.
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And the unspoken part of that is everybody else deserves that punishment and not us.
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Right, we are the few devout who will be the remnants that survive this holy punishment
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and then the earth will be ours.
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Yeah.
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Hold on to those thoughts because this may play a role later,
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much more explicitly than the feelings you're already getting.
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So, look, Alex had some other stories in addition to stories that he covered about the coming
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of 9-11.
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Sure.
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I also just realized I should probably stop saying look.
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I feel like I say that after like before every clip.
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You do point at me as well.
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Yeah.
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There is an aggression.
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I'm getting a little self-conscious about that out of nowhere.
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But Alex has some other stories that he was covering that he feels are possibly prophetic.
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Every day I read news stories where they were telling you that we were going to be hit by
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terrorists, that it was going to happen anytime, give up your rights.
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They've been telling us we're going to get hit by anthrax, we're going to get hit by
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smallpox.
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The AP reported on a secret meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
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The heads of the media with fake newscasts they produced back in June where they predicted
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one to four million dead from anthrax.
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Martial law was the term used.
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I'm not saying this is going to happen, but they've been preparing for it and they have
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been saying it's going to happen.
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It's a little interesting to note that Alex was in a decent ballpark here in terms of
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talking about smallpox and anthrax.
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I don't necessarily give him credit for predicting anything, but it was a topic that would become
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much more relevant in the days after 9-11.
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It's not surprising though.
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After a giant terrorist attack, you would be concerned about another attack happening
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and a biological agent would be a really devastating second hit.
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So if you're the government, you'd want to be safe about that.
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Thus, after 9-11, there was heightened discussion about these agents since they are pretty common,
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accessible, and dangerous ones that you'd be worried about terrorists getting a hold
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of and using.
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As for why Alex was talking a bunch about these things before 9-11, I have a few theories.
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The first is that in 1998, the military made anthrax vaccination mandatory, which came
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to a head in 2000 with a very high-profile case of Major Sonny Bates, who refused to
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take the vaccine and was ultimately discharged from the service.
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After this, Bates embarked on a long journey of trying to sue folks about the vaccination
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mandate, and if you consult some of the contemporary material, it really reads a lot like the talking
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points about the COVID vaccines today.
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For instance, here's a bit from the Washington Post article about Sonny's lawsuit against
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the FDA from May 2001.
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The suit seeks a court order that would require the FDA to treat the vaccine as an experimental
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drug.
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Such a ruling would mean the military could no longer administer it without informed consent.
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To be clear, enlisted persons still have the right to inform consent.
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There just might also be policies in place where refusal to accept something will violate
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the terms of their employment.
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They're not killed.
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Right.
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They don't sneak up on them and inject them with a smallpox vaccination from behind.
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It's not like you get dosed.
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And it's not even like, oh, you're going to spend the next 20 years in the brig.
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It's just like, oh, I mean, yeah, we get it.
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And if that's what you want to do, that's dumb.
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But I mean, you're just fired.
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Go get a job.
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That's fine.
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Why would we not want all of our soldiers to be immune to a possible weapon?
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No, because what if the end.
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So this is going on and like you hear that same thing, like the emergency experimental
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drug kind of language is mirrored and echoed entirely 20 years later.
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This is essentially right in Alex's wheelhouse, this story.
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So I would guess that the odds are very good that he was following this entire situation
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and creating exaggerated narratives out of it, which would make anthrax a really hot topic
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on his show and the anthrax vaccine, how they want to force it on you.
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And honestly, maybe it wouldn't have been relevant to most people until after 9-11,
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which gives the appearance of Alex talking about this a whole lot.
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Right.
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You can repackage that.
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Because he was in a niche area of focus, for instance, the military and vaccinations,
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he will have that kind of information that other people just wouldn't be aware of at the time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so for the meeting of the media and the joint chiefs, this took a little while to
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sort out what I think is going on, but I'm pretty confident about this.
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Okay.
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And that is on June 22nd and 23rd, 2001, Johns Hopkins held a tabletop exercise where they
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simulated a biological terrorist attack that used smallpox as the agent in the fictional scenario.
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This fits a lot of the details that Alex was talking about and some of the participants
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in the exercise included members of the press, like Judith Miller from the New York Times
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and Mary Walsh from CBS News.
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It also included people who had policy experience taking on the roles of people in important
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government positions.
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For instance, David Gergen played the national security advisor in the scenario, although
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he was not the national security advisor, and General John Tellely stood in as the chairman
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of the joint chiefs in the scenario.
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Sure.
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An unfortunately high percentage of Alex's narratives about reality come from selected
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from selectively misrepresenting things that people do in scenario exercises.
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So I'm going to bet that this is where he's pulling that stuff from.
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Yeah, that's lock steppy enough for me.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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And other examples.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, untold.
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My point is that at first glance, it feels almost impressive that Alex is bringing up
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how he's been talking about smallpox and anthrax prior to 9-11, knowing what we know, that
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these will become hot topics of conversation in the coming days.
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Sure.
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But it's not really when you take a moment to ask yourself if there's a reason why he
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would be talking about these subjects at the time.
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Almost always, you'll end up disappointing yourself when you realize that he's basically
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been doing the same weak bullshit for over 20 years.
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Yeah.
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This is really kind of deflating.
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Yeah, man, it is, it is like, it is like just seeing, you know, and it's just a giant mass
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shooting to him.
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It's just a bigger mass shooting with property damage.
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Like he doesn't have any emotion towards this beyond-
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It feels very emotionless, and that's weird to hear from me, someone who is a little bit
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robot.
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Oh, you calm down.
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You've got a deep inner turmoil.
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I can't calm down because I am not agitated.
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You don't have feelings, I understand.
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So I'm going to give a tiny warning before this next clip, because there's some discussion
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of, you know, some of the bodies and carnage.
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And he does that so graphically, I assume.
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He doesn't really, he's getting the report from Jim, his buddy, who was there.
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And there's only one reason that I really want to play this clip.
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And it's to give one example, this happens a couple times throughout the show, Alex seems
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to have a bizarre preoccupation with details about the people who jumped.
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Oh, okay.
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And I find that super distasteful.
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He seems to really want to glom onto that detail as like, well, I mean, obviously it's
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an evocative image and it's terrifying.
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And it's straight out of a movie.
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Yeah.
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And so here is that.
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Skip ahead if you don't want to hear sort of recounting of details.
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Jim, tell us where you work, what you saw, and basically run down for this audience exactly
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what developed this morning at 8.50 AM when the first plane slapped in, slammed into the
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South World Trade Center.
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Go ahead, sir.
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Sure, Alex.
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I'm in the World Finance, or I was at that time in the World Finance Center directly
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across the street from the World Trade Center between the World Trade Center and the Hudson
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River.
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We heard a shock of, you know, ten till nine or so, actually saw walls vibrating in some
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of the neighboring buildings, heard a noise that sounded like cherry bombs followed by
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almost like a dump truck, dumping gravel sound.
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Without one side of our building where I thought proper noise came from on the river side,
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that wasn't it.
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We went back to the front and at that point there were a number of people lined up on
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the 15th floor watching One World Trade Center burn.
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It was burning from about the hundredth floor up.
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While we were watching it, you could actually see bodies coming out of the windows, some
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were obviously dead, others were flailing as they came down.
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Were they on fire?
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Just smoke.
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Just smoke.
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That's a little gruesome.
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He's getting the details.
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Yeah, anyway.
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So that's not too bad, and that's kind of why I don't necessarily think that there's
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anything too, like, horribly graphic, but there is a preoccupation that you can track,
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and I felt like it was worth mentioning, and that's his response to it, is hearing
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about people falling or jumping, and he asks, are they on fire?
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Yeah.
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Tell me more gruesome details.
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That's so weird.
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It's like he's trying to get a faces of death story told to him, just like, oh man,
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yeah?
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What else was going on?
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Oh, was there a foot flying too?
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Like, oh, that's so gross, man.
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It really raises the question of, what more information do you gain by finding out if
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they were on fire or not?
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Oh, I mean, well, you get to find out if they were on fire.
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I don't know how it changes the situation.
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It's very weird.
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The journalistic impulse is strange, because it feels kind of exploitative and gross.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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And I thought it would be exploitative and gross if I played the number of instances
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that he asks for, like, talks about people falling.
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Gross.
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So, um, this guy, it turns out, is not only Alex's friend, uh oh, he also went to college.
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Interesting.
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I mean, Alex, I used to be a structural engineer and I've watched buildings implode.
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It was the most perfect implosion I've ever seen in my life.
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It came straight down in one monolithic piece.
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Now you were a structural engineer, how could fire in the upper floors, you say one plane
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hit about the hundredth floor, the other hitting about the seventy-fifth floor, how does that
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cause a building to completely collapse?
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I don't believe it does, Alex, I mean, looking at the way the building came down, it looked
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like there was charges up around the 70th, but I just gotta believe there was also charges
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at the base of the building.
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He's just guessing this?
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Straight up.
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He is a guy who is only on this show because he's a friend of Alex's, and he is not a professional
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structural engineer, he just took some classes.
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He turned down CNN as an expert for them so he could go on Alex's show.
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I think everybody...
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They gotta prioritize.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Or you just gotta do a favor for your brother.
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Well, yeah, they're best friends.
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Buddy!
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Buddy!
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Took a few courses in structural engineering and he's like, well, they clearly put charges.
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I'm even gonna say he may have had a degree.
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He said he studied at the master's level, which to me is always a little suspicious
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because that means you don't have a master's degree.
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I don't know what that means, but I'll give him maybe an undergraduate degree in some
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kind of engineering and that means he knows some things.
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I'm not saying he doesn't.
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I'm not necessarily going to take Alex's friend who maybe studied engineering as like, oh,
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well there must have been bombs then.
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I'm not gonna...
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I'm gonna throw this out at you.
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Anybody who within the span of under four hours can suddenly decide that they place
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charges around the bottom of the World Trade Center without anybody noticing, well, that
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is somebody I don't trust.
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Well, I think you could talk to somebody and they could say it was surreal watching them
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go down.
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It was like they had bombs or something because, you know, trying to deal with what you have
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experienced and what you've seen.
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What's the closest corollary I can think of to try and process the image?
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It's like it was a controlled demolition.
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That makes sense.
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But to do that on Alex's show while flouting a credential of I'm a structural engineer.
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Different idea.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's not me and some dude in a bar going like, oh, that is interesting.
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That's because I remember.
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I saw one of those on TV.
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It's a little irresponsible.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is like, fuck yes.
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Yeah, of course Alex is like, fuck yes.
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This is government.
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What you have just told us, sir, I saw those buildings collapse.
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You were right there.
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I was watching it on the news.
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They wanted massive death.
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So you're saying as a structural engineer, you are witnessing this.
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It is collapsing.
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And then both the structures only placed charges are so precise.
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Is that what you're saying?
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That's what it appeared to be, Alex.
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So yeah, Alex has taken this and he is now a professional structural engineer.
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We're going with this, man.
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This is government.
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This is a 98% now, man.
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This is one hundo.
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I despise whenever you get asked a yes or no question and you answer with something
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wishy-washy.
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Well, you kind of have to.
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That's what it appeared to be.
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What are you talking about?
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You know, of course it didn't.
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What are you doing?
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I think it's a weird thing on Alex's show because you know that no matter what you say,
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he's going to make it equivocal, like unequivocal.
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He's going to say like, this is not only that, this guy is one of the most prestigious structural
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engineers.
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I studied at the master's level because I was picked out of college by the greatest
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structural engineers in the world and taught secrets of structural engineering that no
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one has ever heard before.
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I am secretly Frank Lloyd Wright.
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I am the reincarnated ghost of Frank Lloyd Wright.
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So Alex is just pushing this pretty hard, pushing that.
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He's got an angle and he's going with it.
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Naturally.
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Do you see how the government could stand to gain to bring us a police state from this
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happening?
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Alex, I'm not even going to go there.
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I have no opinion on that or I just, you know, I'll just tell you the facts I see.
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I'm not going to speculate who did this or anything like that.
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It's way beyond my knowledge base.
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Certainly you heard him on Hitler burning the Reichstag as a pretext to declare martial
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law.
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I agree.
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Hitler burning the Reichstag as a pretext to declare martial law?
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Yeah.
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Well, I've been predicting this for five years.
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I'm just so glad that you're alive.
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Have you had a chance to talk to your wife?
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Yeah, I have Alex.
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A little jarring turn.
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I'm so glad you're alive.
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Said with no gladness in his voice whatsoever.
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So this is approximately 15 minutes into the show and it's still chaos in New York at this
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point in the day.
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It's honestly hard to express exactly how distasteful it is to hear Alex covering the
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story this way, knowing what people were living through.
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I understand that he pretends that he acts the way he does because it's part of him fighting
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a larger evil entity that's pulling the strings behind all world events, but coming on air
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at like 11, 15 on 9 11 and rambling about the Reichstag fire and trying to get your
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guest who's just a friend of yours who worked in a building near the World Trade Center
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to agree with you that the government probably did this is a bit disrespectful.
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For quite a while after 9 11, people would respond to any joke about the event by saying
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too soon and intelligent people can disagree about what is and is not too soon to joke
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about a tragedy.
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The aristocrats.
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What Alex is doing is too soon.
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Yes, that is.
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This is.
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Boy.
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Categorically, undeniably too soon.
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There's no soon for this.
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There are jokes that are too soon, but this is not.
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This is not a never soon or late.
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This is just don't do this ever.
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I would advise someone not to do this, but especially right on that.
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I mean, even.
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But that's the thing.
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You know, I was trying to put it in my head, like maybe if you do subscribe to this world
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view, this doesn't have the view of a trap.
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No, even if it's a false flag, that's the building still fell.
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People are still dead.
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Right?
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Feel something.
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Knowing what we know now, we know what the number of deaths was, right?
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And I will say that Alex believes it to be much higher than it ends up being.
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And I think a lot of people, myself included, I thought there's no way that possibly couldn't
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have killed tens of thousands of people.
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You would have had to assume so.
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And so for Alex to, in his head, believe this to be much more deadly than it was and still
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be acting this way is an indication that like, okay, if you're arguing that his conspiracy
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worldview doesn't make him see this as a tragedy, then that's macabre and dark.
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I don't even know what to think about what that kind of worldview would do to your ability
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to empathize with people.
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I really don't.
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And then imagine if you have that worldview and you assume that there were tens of thousands
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of dead, and then somebody is like, no, the real number is actually much lower.
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It's just, I bet he felt disappointed.
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I wouldn't want to speculate.
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I'm telling you, that's so dark.
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I think the only way you can go about it, I guess, is to just be like, fuck, it's awful
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that these people died, but I have to transmute that into anger at the globalists because
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they did this.
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You know, that's the only way you could do it.
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And I don't even really feel that.
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No, I don't feel like there's an increased anger that is being sublimated from the pain
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or anything.
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It's agitation.
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It's excitement.
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He's buzzing.
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A little.
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He's a little bit buzzing.
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There's a little bit of...
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I got a lot of eyes on me.
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Sure.
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The audience is higher.
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I told you so.
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I've been vindicated.
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Love is a good, I told you so.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't feel right.
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No, it feels very fucked up.
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So this doesn't feel right either.
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Looking at the amount of time between the time the planes hit and the time that these
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buildings were imploded, however that was brought about, in one hand, it was almost
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like they were giving people time, what people could be evacuated, civilians, to be evacuated,
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but it seemed like it was about 45 minutes, which also seems like...
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It was almost like they were giving them time to evacuate.
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Again, degreed in the structural engineer area, you're saying it's the most beautiful
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implosion you've ever seen, and of some of the biggest buildings in the world.
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Absolutely.
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What is that voice?
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The tone is just bizarre.
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What the fuck?
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And then also you notice he's trying to build up those credentials.
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Totally.
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He's trying to really stress the credentials, because now this has gone from a firsthand
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account from a friend of his into a source.
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This is now something he's going to try and rely on as like, the day off, structural engineer
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said that there were bombs in the building, and it's, no they didn't, it's your friend
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talking shit, saying things a little bit loose.
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Oh, totally.
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And I think that that part of the mythology is something that you hear, echoed in his
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show in later years.
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Yeah, and it is such a, well all of his friends kind of know this, drop something that makes
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you a little bit more than just a regular layperson in there, and Alex will immediately
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run with it beyond reason.
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You'd hope that if you were his friend, you'd know that.
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Maybe you'd hope that you'd be a little careful.
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You would think.
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But apparently you don't.
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Maybe subconsciously they want to make him happy.
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Maybe.
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But we have some early misreporting here.
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Alright ladies and gentlemen, the two aircraft slammed into both the World Trade Center towers,
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they have collapsed, a lot of deaths there on the ground, we should be praying for everyone.
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We have another plane smashing into the Pentagon, part of the structure has caved in, is being
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reported.
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Another one slammed into the Pittsburgh, PA airport, right outside town, the international
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airport.
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Sorry, what?
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This just in, US, Canada, Mexico borders have been sealed.
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That is martial law, ladies and gentlemen.
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You can see here some preliminary reports that Alex is airing that are not correct,
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and in some ways this is stuff that's expected, and you can give him some leeway on some of
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this.
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However, the tone he's using is completely different than at the beginning of the show,
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where he said that there are reports of bombs in schools, but that may not be true.
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Now things have a much more factual delivery from Alex, but what he's saying is the same
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unreliable fog of immediacy stuff.
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The plane in Pennsylvania didn't hit the airport, and I don't know if that was something
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that was even widely reported in error, but I could see some kind of miscommunication
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happening here, so I'm not going to be a huge dick about it.
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The other piece of information is a bigger problem.
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The US, Canada, and US, Mexico borders were not closed in response to 9-11.
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Security was tightened as one would expect, but the fact that Alex is reporting that the
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borders are just sealed is definitely not correct.
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This again would be something I wouldn't be a huge dick about, because I think that it
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also seems like the kind of information you could hear and it makes sense on a day like
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that.
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It's also understandable as an error, some sort of a miscommunication, they could say
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they're clamping down on security and you should misinterpret it or whatever.
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But then Alex says that next sentence.
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That's martial law, ladies and gentlemen.
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Sealing the borders is not martial law.
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You may think that a state that's in martial law would seal their borders, but it's not
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a defining characteristic of martial law at all.
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Why would you seal your borders?
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That doesn't make sense.
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I mean, not let anyone in or out?
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Sure, but that doesn't make sense in the long term.
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Nope.
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Martial law is something that needs to be invoked, and it involves the military taking
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over governing and law enforcement operations, which traditionally are held by civilians.
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For instance, in 1954, Russell County in Alabama had been consumed by organized crime to the
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point where government corruption had made the existing political and law enforcement
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apparatus essentially a rogue entity, culminating with the deputy sheriff assassinating a candidate
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for district attorney who was seen as a threat to the racket.
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So the governor declared a limited martial law where the National Guard came in, took
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control, and cleaned things up.
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There are obviously more messy incarnations of martial law, but the principle is the same.
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Martial law requires that the civilian authorities are temporarily replaced by military authorities
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and sealing the border does not qualify as that at all.
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This is a big deal, because I really don't think Alex understands the concept of martial
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law at all.
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I think he just uses it as a scary buzzword to evoke negative feelings in the listeners,
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but it often doesn't seem relevant to the things he's discussing at all.
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Martial law is supposed to be his big thing, like his main topic of expertise, and I don't
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think he even understands it on a basic level.
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I mean, really, he wants to just say, like, totalitarianism, you know?
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Uh, no.
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But he can't quite say that.
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It has to be martial law.
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No, he just wants to say he's a scary cop.
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I mean, yeah, but it's like he still expects, you know, he thinks that Biden could be president
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during martial law, you know, like he, you know, like all of those things don't match
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up with how martial law works.
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Biden could appoint himself general.
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Well, he's the head of the armed services.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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I mean, I understand the technicalities there, but I mean, you know what I mean here.
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He just means that there's complete and total control over what you can and cannot do.
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Not that the military is going to run things slightly differently.
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No, I think, I agree.
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I agree, but I think more specifically, I think it's just a catch-all word for, like,
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when cops are doing things that make me uncomfortable.
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Well, yeah, that makes sense.
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Like, they wear black masks.
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Sure.
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This is martial law.
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Yeah.
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They yell at you.
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This is martial law.
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Martial law!
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They give you their names and bad, like, these are things that cops do that are inappropriate
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maybe.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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But it's not martial law.
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Not quite.
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No.
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In fact, the opposite.
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You could argue that some things could be, in hindsight, should it ever get to that point,
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steps towards martial law.
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True.
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You could argue that.
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Right.
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But you don't know at this point necessarily if that's the ultimate conclusion.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, I don't think he understands the word at all.
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I agree.
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Jim has another little piece of information that I find fascinating.
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Right now I can tell you a third building that's across the street from the old towers,
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it's also in the World Trade Complex, is on fire.
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I can, it's about a 50-, 60-story building.
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I can see fire through the windows on about, well, about halfway up the building around
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the 30th floor.
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The whole side of the building's smoking on the side of the wall.
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So we now have a 50- to 60-story building on fire as well.
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Do you know the name of that building?
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Uh, I, it's one of the World Trade Center buildings, it's probably like 5 or World Trade
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Center 5 or World Trade Center 6, something like that.
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It's Building 7.
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In the World Trade Center Complex there were a bunch of buildings, but it's important to
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understand their relative sizes.
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One and two were the Twin Towers, which were much taller than the others.
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Building 3 is the Marriott Hotel, and it was 22 stories tall.
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Buildings 5 and 6 were 9 stories tall each.
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Building 7 is the one that Jim is talking about for sure, given that it was 47 stories
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tall, and Jim mentioned that he's on a boat on the Hudson, and I did a bit of figuring
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out his vantage point, and he had to have been, I spent a little bit more time trying
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to geolocate where he would have been, and I don't think that any of the other buildings
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would have been visible to him other than Building 7, based on where his view would
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have been.
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The other ones would have been obscured by everything.
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Building 7 would fall beginning at approximately 5.20pm, so that's at least 5 hours after this
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call.
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The conspiracies that Alex would be pushing later characterize the fire in Building 7
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as insignificant, but here, on Alex's own show, he has an eyewitness and friend of his
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reporting that the whole side of the building is smoking.
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Alex probably doesn't remember this part of that conversation, and it doesn't match his
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later information base.
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Oh man!
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Despoiled by your own friend.
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Terrible.
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Yeah, it kind of makes Building 7 seem less like the smoking gun that Alex would sell
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it to be.
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Well, it seems more like the smoking gun in the opposite direction.
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It's a smoking building.
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Yeah, well.
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Uh, this is not a time for puns.
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Anyway, Alex has another guest on.
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Sure.
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Ugh.
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Boy.
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I'll tell you what.
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Heavy hitters.
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Jerry, thank you for holding, sir.
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You've been covering this stuff for years, you know, I've been on your show predicting
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this, warning people, I put out press releases on it, this was going to happen and the police
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think they're right.
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Me, me, me, me, me, me!
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What is your take on all of this, Mr. Brownfield?
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You know, Alex, believe it or not, it did not shock me very much when all this happened
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today.
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Cool.
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What is wrong with these people?
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I don't know.
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So, Darry Brownfield is a 70-year-old radio guy from Missouri who hosted a show that's
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described as quote, agricultural news.
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I think it's less a show like breaking news about growing corn and more like news that's
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tailored towards the agricultural community.
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Except I'm not sure if that's the case.
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He started something called the Brownfield Network, which still exists, it's like a news
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distribution service for agricultural news, and if you go to their website, it's all about
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farming.
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Ah, okay.
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The top headline when I was preparing this episode is quote, rain comes at optimal time
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for Illinois farmer.
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That's farmer singular.
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This is an article about a guy named Stan Bourne who was thrilled that it rained because
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it helped his bean crop.
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This is the top headline on Darry Brownfield's website.
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I mean, yeah, so of course he's not surprised that 9-11 happened, you know?
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Well, he has since passed, so someone else is maintaining the Brownfield Network.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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But this is like indicative maybe of the news he was putting out?
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That is- Rain helped my beans.
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Such a fucking twist.
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I was really expecting it to go the opposite direction.
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I was expecting the agricultural news to be some sort of like smokescreen, you know, like
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Americans for Prosperity.
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You're not really for Prosperity.
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You don't like that kind of thing.
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Some of it probably was right wing weirdo conspiracy stuff, but I think a fair amount
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of it might have been like- Weevils are actually robots from the government.
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Maybe.
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Yeah, that would be fun.
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Anyway, this old man doing farm news out of Missouri is apparently someone Alex had to
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get on to get his take on 9-11.
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And apparently he does not give a shit.
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He gives a shit, but he's like, I'm not surprised.
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Sure, but I mean, yes, this is an issue.
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Well, but here's the thing.
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There's big news that dairy has to bring.
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It's Jerry, but with like a D. Well, okay.
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It's not like milk.
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Okay.
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I mean, I wasn't going to say it.
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So dairy's got some big news that he has to bring to Alex's attention.
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Alex, of course, already knows about this.
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My original plan today was to talk with Charlotte Heisselbert, and I called her.
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She was one of the individuals that didn't know a thing about this until I contacted
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her.
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And I said, well, we need to change our programming.
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And she just called back a moment ago, and she said that her husband has a friend that
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is a Belgian businessman.
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And he said that all of Europe is full of the news that two men with Belgian passports
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entered into Afghanistan and killed bin Laden two days ago.
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He says this is all over Europe, but not here in the United States.
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Have you heard anything about that?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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So this is about Ahmad Shah Massoud, who was an Afghani who was an opponent of the Taliban.
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Massoud was assassinated on September 9th, 2001 by men who had fake Belgian passports.
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All of the details are lost on folks like Dary and Alex, who just want to fudge details
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in order to prop up their predetermined conclusion that everything is a conspiracy that only
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they can see through.
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And there's no correcting of this.
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It comes up again later, and it is two Belgians went into Afghanistan and killed bin Laden.
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Europe's talking about it, but it's censored in the American news or whatever.
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It's like, you guys have this wrong.
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Don't you have a real good sense of something when Alex responds to you with, yes, I guess.
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Shouldn't that be a big red flag to you to just be like, oh, this might be a red flag.
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Yeah.
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It should be a red flag of like, I don't...
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Of course.
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I think I shouldn't be confident about what I'm hearing.
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Yeah.
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I think this is Dyson.
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My instinct is to say yes, but I know that this is stupid, so I'm going to go with the
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yes.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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So dairy has a bottom line.
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What is your bottom line analysis?
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What's your gut level feeling on all of this?
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Who do you think's behind it?
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Well, you know, as far as I can't name names and give telephone numbers, but as I mentioned
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earlier in this show, and I have said it thousands of times on the air, I read the back of the
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book and I'm referring here to the Holy scriptures.
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I tried to get to Hal Lindsey on earlier this morning to see what he thought about it and
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I couldn't reach him, but we know that we're going to have a one world order, a new world
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government.
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We know it's coming.
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We know the antichrist is in the wings standing by.
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Oh yes.
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Who he is.
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I don't know who he is.
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Is he still standing by?
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But he certainly does have the power to clean all this mess up and make it wonderful.
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So currently the antichrist is standing by and standing down.
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Still standing by.
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Jesus.
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Like the Proud Boys.
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This guy has got to be, well, could be, could be a woman as well.
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I have to say that, I guess for Derry, he, I mean, he died at like almost 80.
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Yeah.
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The new world order did not come into being.
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The devil didn't come back.
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Nope.
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He had a, he probably passed pretty like, like, Oh, well I didn't have to live through
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that.
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Probably as a relief.
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Eh, I think I'd be disappointed.
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I'd be furious if I had spent my entire life predicting the antichrist was coming and then
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I just died.
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Like it was fine.
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It would feel anti-climatic.
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It would be.
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I mean, like my last words would have been like, what?
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And then I'm dead.
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Or, or your last words should be like, I guess I'm the antichrist then.
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Like you got to.
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I would go maybe an action movie, antichrist this.
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No, not going to work.
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So yeah, we've got Alex's buddy, we got Derry and Alex has another guest.
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Let's go to Ted Anderson, owner of Genesis Communications and of Midas Resources.
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Let's hear a take on this.
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Gold's going to be more expensive too.
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I am very upset about all of this.
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My testosterone level is flowing just like yours are out there.
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Uh, Ted Anderson, God bless you sir, for providing this network and a place for people to get
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accurate information.
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What's happening financially?
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Well, obviously there's a lot of crazy mixed up emotions going on in all the markets right
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now.
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The World Trade Center, that is where gold and silver trades in the United States.
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It's the largest market for gold and silver.
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Oh boy.
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I was trying to be ghoulish with my exaggeration, but in fact I was way wrong.
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I was not ghoulish enough.
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Nope.
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Pretty cynical.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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This is crass.
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Every time I think there's no bottom, I'm convinced there's no bottom and it just keeps
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going.
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Boom.
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Boom.
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Boom.
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Just keeps going.
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Let's hit those floors.
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There's a trap.
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First floor, men's shoes.
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Yep.
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Try this on for science.
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Try this on for ghoulish.
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You want a ghoulish shoe.
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Let's do it.
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It's very amazing to me to watch this happen.
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I've never experienced this in the 23 years now that I've been in the business where the
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markets have actually been shut down like this and won't open up until further notice.
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And the borders are now sealed.
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troops federal troops are taking control of downtown cities under security
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arrangements well obviously alex a major concern right now is for the people that
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are sitting there in the paper wondering what's going to happen
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and hopefully the market stays stable and they can get out with reasonable
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cost yeah i'm told that there are already giant lines forming at the banks
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well there's a bit of a stampede going on here at minus resources if you've
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been calling in on the eight hundred number please be patient we've got a lot
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of people working on
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uh... but you will uh... you will be taken care of his lot of people that are
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looking to have gold right now with the market shut down obviously the united
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states can be much tougher to buy the stock
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uh... you know not every uh... not every uh... uh...
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uh... not every option is open to you anymore
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so if you are calling do that uh... just be patient wow that's about line that
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you responded to also hit me like a semi truck happy with the obviously we should
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be concerned and i thought he was going to say about the israel there's no way
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that you could say those words on nine eleven and not finish it with listen
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you're already a gross monster because that's third on your lower we should be
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really concerned about the people who are stuck invested in paper money yup
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what the fuck yup
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now what is wrong that's the number one thing that we should be concerned about
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is some people are just too liquid right now unbelievable i'd i'd just
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saw that i mean
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one tower goes down and you think
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lot of people are going to be stuck in paper money
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that's what i thought that's what i thought too i mean it's eye-opening
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it makes you realize how many people are in uh... paper jesus jesus christ
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that's grim there's just not enough lightning there's just not enough
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lightning
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uh... i'm furious that people believe in god cuz i think if we all just believed
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in zeus only
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then maybe we could get one person struck by lightning bolt whenever they
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pulled shit like this
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it's
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amazing
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uh... words fail
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it really does cuz this is like you know i mean without mincing
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words nine eleven is what made alex's career yeah
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and you go and listen to this show on the day of he does not seem
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that concerned
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about
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gathering accurate information about what's happened
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he's all over the place he doesn't seem like he's emotionally all that affected
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by what's happening and the guests that he has
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are weirdo farm guy friend who he has turned into the biggest structural
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engineer in the world
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uh... and his gold guy
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this is not great yeah these are these are three certifiably insane people
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my my way i mean well four of them obviously but one of them is you know
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well beyond that tenured insanity these three people
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saying those things
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astonishing astonishing i think that jim you could make some argument for being
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less complicit
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cuz there were opportunities that alex gave him to double down on some of his
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stuff sure he was ambivalent sure true but like you mentioned i do believe if
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you know alex you probably would know his tendencies and you know that you're
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essentially doubling down by not pushing back oh yeah
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uh... wow so alex has some advice
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and it's good advice that get out of paper money gas up your trucks i would
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tell everybody make sure you've got your cars full of gas to make sure you've got
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plenty of food
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those water filters
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in the martial law stuff starts cranking up i'm gonna go to my parents house grab
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my dad around the scrub the neck and say you're leaving the country and you're
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taking my little sister out of here now is sixteen years younger than me and in
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the news in high school you're getting out of here and you're leaving now you're
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going to costa rica now and i'm gonna stay here and i'm gonna fight for this
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country for the united states against arab paris or anybody else jerry brown
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phil would you stay with us you bet i will alright you bet i will this is a
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great day for me dary has nothing else to do i'm having a fantastic time i
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already watered the uh... i'm trying to think of another bean
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uh...
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wow yeah
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hey dad costa rica this is dad i've gassed up the truck drive to costa rica
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it's always amazing to me how these people handle emergencies because they
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have no concept of scale
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and reaction you know
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like you know
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coven there's only going to be loan survivors and then two weeks later
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they're like well i'm not dead yet so this isn't even real right like they
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just uh... at the twin towers have gone down we need to run get out of this
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country you gotta get gas you gotta get frozen water you gotta go go get out of
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here you mean ice yeah i do mean ice
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uh... but simultaneously also seems kind of bored by it already yep totally
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they're like yeah you know well what are we doing tomorrow we getting we getting tai food
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so alex is just pumped though about but it's just about fighting and this is i
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just had a weird feeling
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info wars dot com for all the updates and all the news
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pilot's got fifty articles posted the newest analysis everything's shutting
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down the borders you name it marshall law is here and we're not gonna let him
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get away with it will be back in sixty seconds
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that's gross
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doesn't like it's indicative of the tone there just isn't any concern or
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acknowledgement of pain
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acknowledgement of loss
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acknowledgement that people who are listening are probably going through
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some shit yeah
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acknowledgement that some people are scared confused
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uh... no people in new york you don't know you haven't gotten a phone call
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from them you don't know where they were that day
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what their subway was
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filled with dust and shit you don't know if they've got to be yeah it's just
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disrespectful honestly i don't know other there's a lot of other words but
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that's one that just keeps coming back up there's a lack of respect
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for
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the
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reality and the like the notion that we're all experiencing something
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together
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you know yeah maybe it's maybe i'm too collectivist maybe i'm a soft liberal
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in that way but
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i just find it i find it a pour it that for weeks
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there was no news organizations who would begin to speak this callously
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about
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that for years true no mainstream news organization would ever dare make a joke
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about nine eleven
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and this dude
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fuckin twenty minutes in between towers falling is like this is a great fuckin
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day for me hey i'm right about everything we got martial law going on
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everything is happening we're fighting the globalist holy shit you come on back
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it's gonna be a great day we're gonna go to station identification
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pretty pretty fucked up yeah that's crazy
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so um... i know that uh... you know in two thousand eight two thousand nine
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when we've been listening to some of those episodes
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about half of the police are waking up
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and so that's good and you know the people in the army are waking up
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a little bit higher numbers there and i know from like twenty twelve
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twenty thirteen about half
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of the military and uh... or
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you know the the police are woken up
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jet that's great
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chairman two thousand three when we listen to some of those of the city of
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some great news and that is that about half of the police
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are woken up that's great and uh... we have some news here in two thousand one
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oh yeah
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uh... don't let him give you a police state out of it we have the power
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the american people
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all police agencies the military
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i know that seventy five percent of the military is awake to what's happening
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about half the cops are
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uh... we need to pray for the people that died
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our house go out to their families
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and i would just right here on the air lord
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heal our lives don't do that face all we want this one of the deal we don't want
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to be part
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of an evil system we want our country to be brought back to its former decency
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employees dot we pray that no biological attacks are engaged in
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and the government been predicting what happened
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uh... in indian plots in a bc last month that i've read what they talk about one
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to four million dead
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god doesn't need citations from fox news
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uh... that's not
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uh... that's weird
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well alice alice so when you pray to me
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i'm just
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kentucky and now i wrote it down
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long time ago
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so you should really know this by now
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but uh...
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don't also be broadcasting your opinions about bullshit to other people well i do
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think it was to be a very specific relationship between you and me i'm god
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you're you we do it that way okay i believe that in luke
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uh... i don't remember the exact verse but there is something about like when
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you pray unto me provide sources right right right
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i think it was peter who in a letter to the thessalonians said uh...
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you should start a pirate radio station and really start getting into it with
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people you know what i'm saying slight correction i believe it was uh...
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paul all too that's not the right fight apologies uh... yeah i thought that
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distasteful
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gross yeah that's really fucked up so dairy
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as an interesting thoughts yeah
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i was one of the uh... people back uh... year-and-a-half ago whenever y two k was
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you know at the turn of the turn of the story what
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that believed that this was going to be and i honestly thought in that deep in
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my heart that uh...
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we were going to be something about that paper happen
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at the time of the country on maybe i'll even on new year's eve
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but that was not just a pretext for them to put in their pima bonkers
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that right and centers that absolutely right like the arkansas d-o-c-s-a
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military control grid
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but i didn't think go ahead and do it
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that night because the world was ready for it
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also vladimir
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britain had just taken power yeltsin disappeared a lot of power jockeying was
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going on
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but i still believe that this is
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the point that they had for what you gave
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while
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right there
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alright
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okay so here's here's what i gathered from that one
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whenever y two k was is not an acceptable thing to say it's in the name
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and that but it was a it was kind of a long stretch for people like that well
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that's fair that it was something they experienced for like that was a part of
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the year yeah yeah that's true so but then the second part is just
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this it could have been
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two thousand ten
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mhm could've been twenty twenty sir could've been twenty one hundred
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you've decided that whatever happens after you've decided that y two k is the
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plan
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that's part of the plan well i don't think that i meet look
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i'm gonna be perfectly honest with you sure i haven't listened to the entirety
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of dairy brownfield's catalog i think we're gonna need to
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new new park
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farm report
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that'd be fun
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no it wouldn't no it wouldn't but i don't think that prior to y two k he was like
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they're gonna blow up the twin towers i really don't
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so he's just sort of retroactively being like this is what i thought was gonna
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happen but also you have to understand that on a really just grassroots
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basic
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nuts and bolts level this means
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that this is what the globalists are planning to do
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yeah they didn't do it right and so now they did it now so like it is a
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hundred-percent a gigantic conspiracy
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that somehow got a pump the brakes on it
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for some reason whenever you want was jockeyed there there were a year behind
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on their plans they couldn't get things up to speed we know we know that their
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organization is lacking is kind of uh... it's sloppy let's just face it there's
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a sloppy or is there no way or there's no way around the conspiracy
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groundwork here
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it's a it's an assumption that's cooked into every conversation that they're
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having totally
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it's silly yes
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so
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this sounds very familiar
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they have the bed taking over central areas of downtown cities and capitals
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confirmed
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this is the new world order
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and look for them the next few weeks to say we determine our guns
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so the terrace don't blow up buildings it'll
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be something along those lines uh... regardless of who did this
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only big brother stands to gain
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that didn't happen nope uh... also i was thinking about this and he keeps saying
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that like only big brother stands to gain
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i kept thinking like you know who else stands to gain? you!
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that's why he's excited right
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like obviously i don't think that's a motive for
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alex doing nine eleven or something
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but alex stands to gain greatly from behaving the way he is
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uh... as as we're listening to this so like
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i don't know
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if i were him i would be thinking very little of my audience
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if i were stressing key bono kind of ideas
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because you know you might want to apply that to
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who gains from turning this into a conspiracy
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people who profit off conspiracy shit. once you start doing that though
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then you're just never going to come back
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who's benefiting off of this sandwich that i'm about to eat
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is it me or is it potbelly i bet it's potbelly i bet potbelly's put evil shit
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inside my sandwich and they're gonna kill me and that's because they don't
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want the money from me going back wait a second who benefits from me buying this
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sandwich? dary brownfield!
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so uh... alex takes calls
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and it's interesting to get a little bit of a temperature. i can't believe somebody
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would call
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uh...
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i can't believe this so when on 9-11
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uh... i was a huge fan of Loveline and i listened to it every night
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Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew were my guys
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it's unfortunate in hindsight but i love that show it made me feel very
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comforted that felt like
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there are people who are struggling with stuff and you know you're not as alone
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uh... even if Adam is
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making fun of everybody and being a little bit mean but in a really funny way
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it's your friend who busts balls
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uh... and on 9-11 i think even the day after
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they
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just took calls about what people were feeling yeah and you know like just
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opening up and being like these kinds of fears and anxieties that you might be
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feeling are normal totally uh... and you know we're all in this kinda together
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and it was really meaningful and alex doesn't do that
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it's the opposite it's it's like it makes it worse yeah Alex taking calls
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makes things worse yeah no i i i i really i find it so fucked up that
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alex would take calls on that no that's unacceptable here's the first one oh boy
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now listen alex i'm not a bible thumper
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at all
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just listen to me for a second please
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because everyone listening can take their bibles and look at this
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oh god revelations 17 describes exactly what's taking place right now
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at this very moment
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what happened in new york now
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if you take the airlines well read it to us oh my god Alex it's too long it's huge
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i mean it's it's it's lots of words yeah yeah
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yeah it is too long all right can't read it what's happening
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is exactly what's in there if you take the airlines out of it and you take the
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they didn't know what planes were revelations 17 and if you take that they
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didn't know that this continent existed
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and if you take that
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they'd never heard of uh i don't know the world uh you know any number of
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things you're going an interesting direction and that's not where he was
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going with if you take the airline oh okay he'll get into this here in a
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second okay um it turns out it's actually
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numerology oh no okay now just here are the flight numbers flight 11
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flight 77 flight 175 and flight 33 now
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well numbers is a language just like our line yeah 33 the occultists at bohemian
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grove and all of this are obsessed with it okay you take these numbers and you
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add them together and you get a total of 296
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now you take two plus nine is 11
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plus six is 17
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and in revelation 17 it describes what's taking place
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i have no idea if it's coincidence or whatever but still the numbers are there
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language is there so this is stupid but it's also not
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correct the flight he's saying is 33 is actually
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united 93 which ruins alex's whole occult number riff
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and it basically screws up his own uh weird cryptic math that he is trying to
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pull off here either way this is a great use of time
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on the day the world changed this is this is bad like alex should
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have cut him off when he started doing math
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absolutely this is not like this isn't something that you should humor
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but he lets him go on for a while and i mean i would just how are you not just
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sir sir sir sir stop it stop this right now sir i
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understand you're trying to make connections and make things make sense
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but you can't because that's what your whole thing is listen it's just that
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this is a different more unhinged or more detached from
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reality uh more obviously detached how about how
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about i'm gonna throw this out at you sir
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if god speaks in order of operations uh the uh addition and subtraction
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then uh go fuck yourself i don't even want that god so
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if you are right i'm ra i'd rather worship the devil
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than a god who's like two plus four is six and six minus three
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is three and that's where the devil comes from god sayeth unto me
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please excuse my dear aunt sally and god said x parentheses one plus
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and you moron yep i find this very depressing yeah yep
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partially because he's got the flight number wrong
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yeah that really fucks with his whole revelation but it also fucks with alex's
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thing because the thing that he attached or he took from it was the 33 right
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and that's incorrect well okay so we but even if it is
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revelation 17 doesn't describe what's going on right now
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also 17 what are we doing here cue 17th number
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queuing on boom wow you're right also at one point
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at one point dary is talking about a small town in missouri named sandy hook
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oh no yeah it's just a short mention it doesn't mean anything sure sure sure
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sure he's like you know new york's a bigger town than like sandy hook missouri
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uh i'm i'm sorry dan on this show if there are things that are even slightly
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perhaps not tangentially related we're gonna
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have to make a conspiracy out of that fine i'll find the clip and play it on
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the next episode of dairy saying thank you thank you very
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much all right which is because whenever y2k
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happened or whatever all right we knew that's all i got
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so alex takes another call and this is bad
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those buildings went straight down john what do you see happening they're really
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gearing up oh yeah uh life has changed i uh i don't
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think we can accept what we've expected i don't think that there's anything new
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uh to make of all of this uh it's uh it's
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the world turned upside down so what are you gonna do uh i'm gonna
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clean my weapon man i'm gonna clean my weapon
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don't you do that my problem my only worry is that i don't want to go alone
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i'm not afraid to go but i just don't want to go by myself oh my god
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uh these people uh these government agents they are they ought to be
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ostracized first they ought to be identified
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and then they ought their pictures and posters ought to be
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publicly displayed they ought to be ostracized in the church
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and everywhere else john i appreciate your call we don't know if the
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government did this we know they did the other ones we know they kept telling us
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it was going to happen and we know who stands to gain
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i know this though ladies and gentlemen i'm not going to any famous center what
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about you it's legitimately nuts to listen to this
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because it seems like alex is in many ways on autopilot
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this whole song and dance here is so cookie cutter that it almost doesn't
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seem like you'd need to be awake to do it
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he already said that he believes 98 chance the government did this and then
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later said the government did do this but this caller is saying things that
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get into violence so alex decides to hedge a little bit by saying
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we don't know who did this but we also kind of know who did this wink wink
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and also i'm not gonna let them take me alive yeah it's really the same
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couching type of presentation he does all the time and it's really weird to
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see it being deployed when talking about the biggest event of his life
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which happened a few hours earlier yeah it seems weird to say this but i don't
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get a strong sense that alex cares that much that 9 11 happened i
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don't think he gives a shit at all it's weird it is one of the weirder
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things that i i of all the things that i was expecting
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alex's 9 11 episode to be apathetic was not one of them i think it's
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more cynical than apathetic sure that's one way there's definitely a
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line of apathy that goes a deep a streak of it yeah like uh pepe
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lapu's uh white streak yeah so look he believes that it's the
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government he's already said that it was the government it was the government
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chance 100 but we don't know that for sure we just know that everything that
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would point to the government means the government did it well there's another
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suspect uh-oh and you know there's one person
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that might be able to pull this off but everything he does is tapped great
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and that is saddam hussein why this government ever put him in power in the
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70s why he was our big buddy to fight iran
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why he was given the chemical and biological weapons from houston
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if saddam did do this and there is a chance that this is not the government
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that it is saddam hussein i want that country nuked and i want to
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tell you what and the question is why didn't they take
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saddam out in 1991 i asked you that question
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fair enough um so i guess he's into blaming iraq
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sooner than george w bush that's that was fast
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that was fast and it seems really not like what alex likes to present himself
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that he would be like i want them nuked immediately yeah i mean
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i don't want you to be emperor of anywhere if that's your
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response why would that work out well at all like shouldn't you recognize the
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amount of civilian death that would cause
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the pointlessness of of of that response like that's fucked up no people don't
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understand that but alex is supposed to you know i i
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he's a peace guy i think we need to go back to
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everybody being really really terrified of nuclear weapons like
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we need to show kids the the bombs in schools like they did it's
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unfortunate cover i know it doesn't help but it should be
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instilled into children to be way more afraid of nuclear weapons
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than we apparently are it's it's unfortunate that
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a lot of that stuff was so silly that it uh becomes mockable
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sure you know you might have a tendency to take lightly the
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uh the effects yeah no the modern weaponry no when i was researching uh
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for for my book how to make a nuke no no no when i was researching it i found out
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that most of the missile corps not most but like
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a massive chunk of them are always high and the people who and all the computers
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are from the 1980s like it is terrifying if you look into what
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it's crazy it's crazy people are still using punch cards
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to control nuclear weapons in 2022 it's bananas
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i'm into it that means it's less hackable yeah and they're doing ecstasy
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so it's pretty cool hell yeah hell yeah you gotta get you gotta no no
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totally have you ever gone down into there those silos are terrified crazy if
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you're not on absolutely you got it so alex takes another call
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and this guy this is a little bit of a longer clip but i wanted to play it
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in uh sort of full um this guy disagrees with alex about some of the
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premises uh that he's coming forth with and this
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flusters alex to a point that he ends up making
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a totally bizarre claim at the end of this
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go ahead bill well i don't see first of all i don't think this is government
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sponsored that's my opinion okay secondly uh you know i don't see how
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an act like this is going to help with illegal immigration and the movement
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supports that if anything if anything i think it's going to make
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people refocus on why illegal immigration is so bad well
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that's the point i've made they tell us to give up our rights and drive through
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checkpoints we live in the heartland but then they've got the borders wide
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open and porous and then have been advertising how open we are
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the terrorist attack that in and of itself is a grand crime
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no question and i think that people get refocused on that and i think they're
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going to have a really tough time modifying the law i really don't see
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marshall all being declared sir it's already
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settle emergency and you know i've got dozens of the states
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but but alex this is a normal response to a major issue i mean so you are you
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in the military i used to be okay i'm a retired officer well we support
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the military most of the troops i know the analysis we have here we don't know
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who's done this but are you telling me if someone bin
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laden could coordinate uh all of these uh these uh these four
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attacks well i'm telling you that there are lots
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of people who are mercenaries for hire that have been
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in covert activities for many countries a mercenary is going to fly a plane
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into a building no you didn't let me finish what i was
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saying i believe that there are enough tentacles by organizations throughout the
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world and have enough finances and connections to pull off something like
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this i will say this it's a good chance europe
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could be behind this they're rolling what's euro
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right now the full currency in two and a half months
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yeah the euro is what caused 9 11 so now alex has decided that it's
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like he's so thrown by this guy like he can't impugn him by being like oh you're
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not even in the military yeah exactly these kinds of standard attempts to like
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make him not appear to know anything right uh fail
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and so i guess you know what maybe it's the fucking eu
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they're rolling out the euro so they attack our
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symbol of the economy what do you get oh it's it all makes sense
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it is it is a little bit like if a blindfolded kid kept trying to hit a
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pinata and eventually the pinata he just
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couldn't break it and so then they just hugged
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so like that's what happened there he was like well i guess i guess i just
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believe europe killed everybody then uh-huh that's fine hey you don't agree
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with the crazy stuff i'm saying so i'm gonna say something crazier how about
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that how do you like that how do you do it huh
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so weird do you want to nuke europe now i love i love the response to that i
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don't think martial law is gonna be it's already happened i love that for
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any any question like that and i really don't
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think that they're gonna ban cigarettes and they already banned
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them like okay all right man okay yeah and there's also two things that
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have already come up that are interesting
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counter-arguments to the ideas that alex is expressing
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the first is when jim was on and he was talking about how there was a long delay
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between the crash and the plant or the
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buildings falling right and it was almost like they were
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giving time for civilians to evacuate sure and
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jim does bring up the point that like it's almost as if there would have been
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time for emergency uh first responders to be there and they
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were the main target yeah of the attack which would lead one
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to believe that that is a nefarious uh plan of a terrorist organization
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wanted to uh take out firefighters and police right
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uh infrastructure people as opposed to uh just civilian death um that is
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unexamined by alex how that would be a motive not
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of the globalist of terrorists right second this caller is bringing up the
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idea that immigration would become a much larger
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issue in the wake of a foreign terrorist attack and it sure did
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and that would not be in the interest of the globalist
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as alex has presented them because they want all the immigrants to come in they
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want the borders wide open exactly and so this doesn't fit from a
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motive standpoint and this also isn't fully examined
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right on this but they are lingering hanging questions that just are
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ignored right and and let me throw this one out there
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at you osama has already attacked the world trade
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center alex doesn't believe that and not just that he is incredibly rich
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true he has connections all over the world
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he has infiltrated most terrorist organizations
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and if not yeah yeah and when the when that guy was saying that like there are
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groups of mercenary tendrils and stuff sure i think that what
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happened in alex's mind is like what are organizations that i hate
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the eu they're a bunch of probably higher mercs
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sounds kind of like what he's saying yeah you did it
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so alex uh ends up going down this road quite a bit all right let's see what
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happens it's just a travesty and europe may be
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behind this there is a fisher there is an internal struggle
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between the new world order right now germany runs the eu
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they swore the annihilation of the u.s uh they put people into power to take
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over this country what and uh it's in between
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muslim terrorists being provocateur and allowed to do this
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it's in between our government doing it and it's in between the eu doing it
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frankly i'm starting to lean towards the eu and that power block that runs a lot
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of our news here wow that was so fast yeah 98 sure
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the government did it the government did it
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you can't just sit well look dude i had a weird phone call
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and now i think you did it now i'm gonna be i'm gonna be honest with you
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it's about 98 sure europe did it yeah that's amazing
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who's europe did germany install presidents germany
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what happened germany swore the debts over the united states everybody knows
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that's in world war ii no no no it was a few years ago okay
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few years back sure yeah what i have no idea i don't know
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this is whip that i i could not have been less prepared for
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see this is why you go back to the past yeah no shit find things you never
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really expect i got t-boned by europe that's what's
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going on here jesus so one of the things i think is
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really fun about this broadcast is that alex is like
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juggling guests sure like jim was on earlier he comes
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back oh he was on earlier he comes back okay
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and so jim's back now and alex is upgrading this uh banter about the eu
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and look at listen carefully to the way he expresses this
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did you ever think you'd see this in the united states
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no i really didn't you know we've we've been kind of
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always you know conditioned to believe this is the one place we haven't
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had any overt at least foreign terrorism and i'm presuming this is foreign who
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knows maybe it's maybe it's internal maybe
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not but uh uh yeah we you know we feel pretty uh
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insulated against that kind of getting the analysis that it may be the eu
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uh they're rolling out analysis it's already
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who's analysis they're distributing to africa
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middle east uh and then suddenly our financial center is brought down
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we've been in two wars with europe uh buddy this is sad
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we're getting analysis by which have been
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10 minutes ago i tossed out the idea of eu
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randomly 10 minutes ago i talked some shit
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now we're getting analysis analysis we've got
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we've got several think tanks you heard me talk shit and then they were like
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wait a second and they looked into it the heritage foundation has just called
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my cell phone it told me that the eu did analysis we
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were getting it like there's more analysis on the ground being done right
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now outrageous we've sent somebody from
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infowars to belgium to see if that story's true brussels
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suspiciously silent on the issue of whether or not they did 9 11
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brussels has yet to respond to our did you do 9 11 no comment from leo zagami
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as of yet well that's because he's in hiding so darry is not in hiding he
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comes back gotcha the united airlines confirms that
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flight 175 from boston to la has crashed with 56
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passengers and nine crew members abroad emergency personnel at the scene say
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there are no survivors why are these airplanes crashing do you
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have any idea alex now is this a plane other than the four
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that went into the trade center and well i don't know
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into pittsburgh and into uh into the pentagon
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i don't have any idea
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well we know they've got fighter jets scrambled everywhere
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so they could have shot the thing down you suppose
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yeah we'll probably never know that's something they're not gonna ever
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announce these guys have nothing to say and this
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is not good radio you have a guy who's running late to do
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the wheat report giving alex updates on stuff that
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neither of them have any context for so i you know
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instead of sorting the information out alex just dismisses it all the way by
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saying it's probably a conspiracy and we'll never get the truth about this
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it's legitimately pathetic and almost self-parody yeah
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united 175 was the plane that hit the south tower or world trade center too
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i believe the dairy is getting some intel wrong and he's actually talking
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about united 93 that crashed but the number of passengers
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that he cites actually matches 175 so i don't know what's going on
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he might have the number wrong or there's something that got missed in
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translation either way this is a pointless
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dissemination of half half correct information
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that only serves to kind of bore and annoy alex
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yeah seems to be taking this whole national tragedy pretty well all
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things good he seems like he wants to go home this was the first time i honestly
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related to anybody on this show whenever he was like i don't know what's
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going on i was like that is the first legitimate
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acceptable phone call you know what's wild to have yeah
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that moment that dairy has where it's like why are these planes crashing
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it sounds stupid to us now but no i wouldn't have known that they were
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hijacked no absolutely you know like obviously
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that's an assumption that you could make but
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like yeah there is a reason for at this time of day for dairy to be like
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i don't know why they're crashing i don't know what's going on
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right that is a that is the most human response i can think of right here
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and i don't want to make fun of that too much because i think it is normal but it
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it also doesn't serve to help a radio show that's supposed to be
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disseminating news and information no no no see
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i am screaming in this scenario i'm screaming i don't know what's going on
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so i'm going to go to the news for information about what's going on
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i do not want to go to the news and see me
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screaming i don't know what's going on and then alex wait
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something's happening it's a conspiracy you'll never know
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so alex got that caller yeah he's talking about some numerology
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i really wish he didn't alex is going to get into a little of his own
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yeah if they don't attack somebody in level entire countries will be attacked
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daily in florida a pair of education speeches the president scrapped his
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schedule and said at the first reports of attacks on new york
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came up on the uh for the board and said that nine
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uh stands for judgment and 11 for disorder
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really and it shows how the globalist everything is 33
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everything is 7 11 all of these occultic numbers
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that makes sense that does make sense i mean look at all this
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look at the flight numbers 33 and that's not accurate it's not one of the flight
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numbers what's 7 11 uh 7 is heaven and 11 is the number of
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minutes that you wait no the other what the 7 11 wasn't a flight
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number no it's 9 11 right 7 11 is a store
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yeah what does that have to do with this i couldn't get anything to eat at 7 11
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they were out of the good stuff it's brutal yeah brutal all they had left was
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the flaming hot nacho uh doritos it didn't
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have the cooler ranch harump i know it's brutal i
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wanted a donut so um alex has some more bad
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predictions here yeah we could see nuclear war within the
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day in fact i had a report last night that we covered
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no that israel's very upset saying iran now has
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nukes and the missiles deliver them um it's just folks this could be the
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beginnings of armageddon i hate to say that but we certainly have
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the ingredients don't we dary well it looks like it doesn't it and
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you've heard me say time and time again once you read the back of the book
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you begin to see a different picture and you look at the overall picture
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uh i definitely say we are in the end time
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i believe it's right as well alex now when we're good
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fantastic that doesn't mean the end that means the start of the good stuff
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yes you see what i mean oh boy sure that's
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not good is there any end of the world for us
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is good i want we are excited about the idea of the possibility of nuclear war
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kicking off tonight and this being armageddon
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i just want that makes sense for his apocalyptic version of christianity
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sure can we have one national or world or even local tragedy
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that is not evidence that we're in the end times
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just one i just don't want to know that we're in the end times
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every single time how many end times are we going to be in man so many
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i've been in so many end times yeah there's a limit
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yeah so i i had this really interesting thought of a way that i would like to
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talk to alex sure if i ever were to yeah i i know that
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he has a lot of evidence that 9 11 happened
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and he has a lot of videos that he's posted or
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it's an inside job sure sure sure sure um there's a lot of videos that he has
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posted that are like smoking gun evidence it's like at the
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title of it right and so i would i would bring up i i'd
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like to talk to you about this article smoking gun evidence that 9 11 was an
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inside job what is this about it's a smoking gun
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you just tell me what is it about you just tell me
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guarantee like he would guess wrong yeah because there have been a hundred
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articles or even like a you know smoking gun covid
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is a killer vaccine kills which one what is the
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smoking which smoking gun is this one yeah
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what you'd never get it right i would just put him in a room
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with that had the floor covered in guns and 30 co2 and then we could
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really get to the bottom of all of his issues you know
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is co2 good for you turns out not how many floors can you have
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how many guns can you have on a floor that's another question he has so
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alex and derry uh this gets back to where
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you were talking earlier about how it seemed like they
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looked at this as like a righteous oh yeah yeah yeah
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this is where like it really gets into that
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and this feels really messed up the true believers are looking forward
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to the to this next to this next thousand years
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so um but but but again you have to have studied this the person
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also be part of the birth pains absolutely absolutely and if people
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don't understand this i caught world leaders it's been an
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esquire magazine it's been in the press democrat front page mainstream
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san francisco paper it's been on national television in europe
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i snuck in and caught world leaders in black and red robes worshiping the devil
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so why are you offended by us talking about how we're christians and how our
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bible tells us this would happen in detail
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and we're kooky but world leaders can dance around worshiping molec
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i mean if world leaders are worshiping the devil we're going to be judged
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nations are judged that is the bottom line would you agree mr brownfield
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absolutely and that's what i said earlier today i think i've said it two
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or three times on national national radio that it's difficult for
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me to pray for america today i can pray for god's people
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and i can pray that as many people going to be saved as they possibly can
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but when our own children cannot go to a public american
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government tool and stand up and sing god bless america
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how can god bless america i think the fetal tissues part of it i think the
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trading with china giving them the olympics when they killed their
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political dissidents and blew up 450 churches
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pissed off god so publicly last year when they're murdering the tibetans
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well go a little bit closer to home how about all the murdering we're doing to
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our own children yes the drugging of them the abortion
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we're being judged ladies and gentlemen yeah this is the
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family i think it's just the beginning alec and decadent societies are always
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judged so they have been and they will continue
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to be but you guys are exactly right i'll
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leave you alone okay thank you darren bless it is the nation
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that uh has and that believes in god you know
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and cursed is the ones that don't yeah so 9 11 was
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a political punishment from god this is no different than like pat robertson's
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kind of shit yeah mocked rightfully yep um
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i i'm gonna throw this out at you okay um
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did you ever notice how god is exactly as dumb as the people talking about god
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you know like it is so crazy to me that we can hear
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alec say i want them nuked and then we can hear him talk about his god
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just nuking people whenever he feels like
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they need to be well there's a so crazy there's an
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interesting other sort of branch that goes off
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these thoughts sure and that is that god
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is right and god is you know infallible and so god's judgment for the political
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decisions that you disagree with is doing a 9 11 right that kind of
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implies that you want to do that to people to punish them
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for things like abortion yeah it is almost like the people in those planes
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justified spiritually flying into those buildings justified
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their behavior almost exactly the same way you just
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justified their behavior how crazy is that there are weird
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wrinkles but it was the eu that's right so maybe that's right that's
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right i forgot this show is a mess it is uh i think you understand why we
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have to do these as separate absolutely absolutely i don't know what's
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happening we were 98 sure it was the government now it's the eu
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yeah oh man i'm half convinced it's gonna be
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squatch by the end it's gotta be squatch it's gotta be the
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squatch um there's only one hero for us and
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that's the squad so there's um this is dumb yeah american
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people don't even know what war is to my knowledge this is the first time
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there has ever been an attack on american soil other than the british
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then you should learn more about in modern history anything anything
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that anybody can remember what we went through two world wars and
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never was attacked not true yeah we had some german
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agents blow up a weapons dump in new york but the media never covered that
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they said it was an accident well i don't know pearl harbor dumb
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dumb i was gonna say you realize that that
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big attack the biggest attack that literally anybody could remember before
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this point yeah yeah yeah that was big that's huge it
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was on american soil yeah but i guess there's some kind of maybe
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alex doesn't look at non-mainland as america
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sure fine fine if we're just gonna make arbitrary
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rules about fucking everything yeah that's that's inappropriate
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hawaii is a part of the united states it's u.s soil that was attacked
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doesn't count i understand that he thinks that's a false flag too yeah
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that's fair but still it happened oh also the fucking
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earlier bombing of the world trade center hey you remember that one
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anyway yeah dary should learn more yeah i i do appreciate anytime somebody
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it's the only one i can remember and then you can just be like well learn
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go go find more there are so at this point alex
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does a reset recaps the news sure in case you're joining late i just
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don't know what to say to any of it for those who's tuning in they don't know
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what we're talking about four planes both the world trade center
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towers with tens of thousands of people in them have collapsed
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uh hit by large passenger planes uh a plane hit the pentagon blowing up a
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large portion of that catching it on fire and then outside pittsburgh pa
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one slam into their international airport probably shot down by
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by fighters fighters are swarming everywhere four
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carriers have delivered their payload of planes out
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into the air we've got jets scrambled everywhere they're flying around here in
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texas right now above us and they're declaring civil
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emergency and putting the feds out on the streets in major
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capital cities why would they be flying over austin texas
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i don't know i was outside earlier and there goes a jet flying by
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so this is interesting because later on part of alex's conspiracies will revolve
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around why didn't they scramble jets right and so here he is reporting four
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things have deployed their payload and he personally
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saw fighter jets scrambled over austin so i guess he just forgot about that
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yeah or maybe he's making it up here and he knows that he can just uh
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retcon it whenever he feels like yeah maybe
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that must be a really comforting thought to be able to just be like
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listen i'll just say that this is different like not imagine you don't
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even have to fix it in post you know it's like you you do the show
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it says something and then you're just like i tell you it didn't and that's it
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and that's fine it's basically like if you're doing a
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sitcom and like it's episodic sure right so
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every episode is a new set of circumstances
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consequences don't necessarily carry over bart simpson's still
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12 years old but yeah you can't carry some things over that's
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you get to choose what is reset and what isn't
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and then the audience is just like yeah this makes sense it's jarring it's
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fucking jarring it breaks my brain it's
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narratively untenable in one episode it's narratively have to
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just not pay attention yeah that base you have to passively let
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this wash over you yeah or else you're fucked yeah so this is
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really a bad call here alex takes a call and it
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really kind of pissed me off um i think this
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obviously shows that the united states immigration
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policy is flawed the borders of this country should
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have been closed down and restricted many many many moons ago obviously the
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terrorists were able to get in this country and
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they're not going to do that they're going to track and trace you and your
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family biometrically the sum scan to get food as they're
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already putting them in and the borders are going to be wide open brother
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if you're paying any attention this is a pretty big reveal that alex mostly just
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talks out of his ass here the caller suggests that borders
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should have been closed long ago so they could keep immigrants out and alex
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agrees but earlier alex was erroneously
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reporting that the borders had been sealed in response to the attacks and
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that was martial law sealing the borders up is good when it's
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a part of alex's xenophobic fantasies but it's bad
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when it's a theoretical part of a country responding to a giant terrorist
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attack you can pretty easily see the flaws in alex's thinking and how this
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lacks any real consistency but this clip is
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actually worse than that when he's riffing around with this
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caller about how bad immigration is alex says that the government isn't going to
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close the borders because they just want to track and trace your family
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but we've already established as a confirmed piece of alex's reporting that
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the borders have been sealed which is part of it's
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being framed as part of the martial law takeover
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that detail of alex's coverage is now inconvenient for his more important
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talking point about how bad immigration is
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so he just ignores it this is how information works in alex's world
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something can be presented as a fact in order to scare the audience about how
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the police state is here and then without any explanation the
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opposite can be presented to scare the audience about immigration
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what's important to recognize here is the claim and the negation of the claim
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which is to say reporting that the borders are sealed
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and also saying they never would close the border it's wide open
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both serve the same purpose which is why it doesn't matter to the audience that
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they're contradictory and on the surface would make alex's
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show incoherent both of these center on the listener
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and the white conservative christian american listener in general
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and it centers them as the victim if the border is being sealed it's because
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that's martial law and they're coming to take your guns and put you in a fema
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camp because you're a conservative white christian american
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if it's the border is never going to be sealed it's because they want to solve
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the problem of foreign terrorism by tracking and
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tracing your family instead of stopping immigrants from coming into this country
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both of these ideas that alex is pitching satisfy the emotional need to
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be under attack that he and his audience are addicted to it doesn't matter if
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these things make no sense because they're not meant to
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they emotionally resonate with the thing that people come to alex for
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yeah and that is really really like i don't know if it's because the
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intensity of the event that he's covering
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but it becomes so clear in stark contrast that alex can simultaneously be
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reporting that the government has sealed the
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borders and it's martial law and we should seal the borders
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because otherwise it's a conspiracy to attack mainstream america with
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immigrants yeah it's just it's nonsense yeah if i were
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an american i would have closed the borders right
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around the time of the first crusade and then saved yourself a lot of fucking
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trouble
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i i find this to be unacceptable yeah but it is really illustrative and i
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think that you can you can learn a bit about how to
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process a lot of the ways that other narratives that seem weird on his show
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uh why they're there sure and how how a lot of this is navigated
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it centers the listener as the the aggrieved one the one who is put upon
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sure by whatever the larger conspiracy is right
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some of it is some of the function of conspiracies is to make
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things uh that are complicated make sense or give some sense of comfort in a
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chaotic world but some of it is also to make you feel like to just agitate you
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into a frenzy to always be in a fight or flight mode
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with your adrenal glands fucking pumping into your brain
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and to give um an excuse for why maybe you're not
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as happy as you want to for sure for sure because there's a
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massive conspiracy that centers on the identity that you are right and a
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massive excuse for why you believe that they're coming to kill you and all
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you're doing is sending him money sure and it rationalizes fairly extreme
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politics because the alternative is submitting to the people who are
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obviously going to kill you lesser of two evils
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sure you've always got to vote for the lesser of two evils
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yep anyway uh in this next clip uh it's just this is this is the core
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of what this becomes and it's just victim fetish
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aren't our major government facilities protected at all by our air force
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it doesn't seem like we're going to pull housewives out of their cars at
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military checkpoints like we've already been doing in texas and tennessee
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that's on my website mainstream news stories that you know as well as i do
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this is not only don't worry hold on don't worry about the chinese military
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in the panama canal the threat is the housewife that has an
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old revolver in her closet mr brownfield any comments thanks for
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the call walley not really i tell you what i have a
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meeting downtown in about 45 minutes well you better go
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um that's about as impassioned as you've seen
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yeah you know and that guy's response of like
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anyways it's 9 11. i gotta get to a meeting bye
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crazy yeah just crazy yep but dary's gotta go
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he's got this meeting sure sure sure um and so alex needs another bro to come
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in and so ted comes back naturally um and this is this clip was
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depressing um because it starts with ted giving voice to one of the
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very few times in this entire show that uh concern and humanity
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is really expressed uh and then it goes bad
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are you blown away like i am oh god and my heart goes out to the people first
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thing i mean i i just i i well this is your second appearance so
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they were having a family member caught up in this thing and i it just
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it just it's mind-boggling to think of the tragedy that just occurred
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uh but you know then you you know it's a financial institution you know that
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those two buildings were worth a tremendous amount of money
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and the uh investors that were put you know put the money behind that
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particular thing it depends on the financial industry
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there's no question about it i mean basically you know
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billions of dollars have just been lost within a matter of seconds
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right as the eu euro get out of here online and being delivered well you know
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but that's one of the reasons why a lot of people get into gold because there
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could be gold sitting in the basement of that building and after they dig the
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rubble out of gold still valuable oh god yeah
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but i mean on one hand it is more empathetic than or at least it
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begins more empathetic than pretty much all of this show so far but
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yeah it goes pretty quickly to financial
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conversation but some of that i think is why you just
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wouldn't want to have him on on that day because i think that's
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the world he's he's in sure and so that's one of the ways he
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processes the event is is my livelihood and my entire life
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is based around commodities trading and precious metals
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and currency well i mean the their god king
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on the day said now i have the tallest building so yeah i was
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kind of wondering if that would come up on the episode that would be that would
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be really it's not on his day show oh man um but yeah i i think that's why
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you just i mean i understand ted's your boss
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and he runs all the companies and stuff but like it's not
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it's not necessarily it looks tacky i i okay unless your show
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is entirely financial base sure or if you have a segment like 10 minutes
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of every hour is the ted corner the ted talk oh he could have branded
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that before he could have gotten there way earlier
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sue what an asshole um then that makes some sense sure
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we got the financial minute with ted right but this is this is this just
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looks gauche there the thing that blew me away was
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won't someone think of the landlords please won't someone
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please think of the landlords but who are the most aggrieved and bereaved
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today jordan but here's the thing that was fucked up but here's what
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here's what got me uh-huh here's what got me uh
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and that's why you buy gold because even if it even if they
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put gold at the bottom of the world trade center you can dig that up that's
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still valuable if you are selling me gold
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under the twin towers yeah on 9 11 it's not good
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you could have used an example like a pirate ship
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or something that is the most it's using the image of the tragedy in
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order to promote the value of the thing you sell
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and that sucks anyways yankees red socks tonight
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that sucks too the the other thing that i was thinking about too is they're like
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okay like obviously this looks bad and is gross
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yeah but at the same time you do have to accept that
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the people who own the building the business interests that
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were affected by it it's not a non-issue it's just now's not the time now is not
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the time right you you handle accounting issues
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days later now that said the gold underneath the trade center is a selling
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point is unacceptable it's not i can't believe it's not just that
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it's not the time that is never the time i i'm shocked that a human being could
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do that yeah i would i would never ever in a minute i
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can promise you for as creative as my mind may or may not be
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never would i have gotten to here's my sales pitch right i think if you were
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asked to write uh like what do you think alex's show
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on 9 11 was like you couldn't imagine that it was that i
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would never in a million years have thought
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that he would have said that that's amazing
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so he uh he goes off air after a few more pointless calls
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um and uh here is our last clip from alex's show from the day of 9 11
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i mean do you think any arab country would really do this and want to be
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turned into a parking lot i never if they were going to do that
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they would have nuked israel and iran now has nukes
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well i hear you have nukes why wouldn't they go ahead and do that no no no no
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then i don't think so is a cia asset i believe the eu was involved in this
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uh there is a fisher there is a tectonic power struggle in the new world order
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right now well i i don't believe that uh uh
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this was done by the by the arabs so we have at the end of alex's
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broadcast day for his daytime show the conclusion that the eu is probably
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involved 9 11 eu job so this is i mean like
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honestly it's hard to sum this up because
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it's so weird and you'd kind of expect it to be weird given that it is the day
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of there's unfolding information but here's the other thing that's blowing my
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mind the unfolding information does not
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affect the broadcast that much if at all outside of a couple of things
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that dary brings to his attention some of which are not accurate at all
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some are half accurate yeah outside of that there's not much like
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in terms of updates that are being incorporated it's kind of
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shit talking yeah yeah i think i can sum up the episode pretty well
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and it's uh 33 plus 175 minus 16
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plus uh well actually minus 93 because they got that one wrong sure
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right well actually minus 60 because they got 33 right
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okay um so that puts us at where do have you been
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keeping track of this no but i like where you're going with it all right
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you're cooking with gas
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42 okay yeah so 98 chance it's the uh inside job yeah
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it was the government for sure yep now it's the eu
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probably so we uh much like alex will be taking a break
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he goes off air and then comes back at nine that evening
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and we will be back on wednesday to go over
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what's changed we'll see is it still the eu does alex still think we deserved it
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god knows um but uh until then jordan we have a website we do have a website
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it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at
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knowledge underscore fighting that go to bed jordan
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we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark
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i'm dary brownfield and now here comes the sex robot andy in chansas you're on
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the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first name caller i'm a
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huge fan i love your work i love you
