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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight dot com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Uh, Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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What's up?
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Quick question.
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Jeez, aggressive.
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I'm sorry.
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What's up?
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Quick question.
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Uh huh.
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, is something that I did not know existed until recently.
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Uh huh.
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I was doing some grocery shopping and I happened to spy with my little eye.
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I saw Frozen Mini Pancakes.
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Okay, Frozen Mini Pancakes.
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Yes.
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Like Eggos?
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No.
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Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
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I don't know the name of the brand and no plugs.
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No plugs.
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Definitely not.
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I thought they were going to be really gross, probably, or just a disaster.
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But I thought like, why the fuck not give it a try.
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A siren song that you feel when a novel thing shows up where you're like, this is going to be garbage.
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And you grab it and you put it in your cart.
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Yeah, of course, you're amazing.
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And so, these things are great.
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Of course they are.
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Good texture, tastes like a good pancake, and they take 30 seconds to microwave.
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It's just like, do you want a couple of tiny little pancakes?
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That's great.
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Boom.
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That's great.
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I can get you some pancakes right now.
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I might want a pancake right now.
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Just tell me, just say the word, I'll get you some little mini pancakes.
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I'm going to surprise you sometime in the middle of an episode in the coming weeks and you better make me a mini pancake.
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It's so easy to make pancakes.
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I agree with that.
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But, there are things that I don't always have in the house.
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Right.
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Eggs, milk.
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Pancake mix.
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I don't know if I can make pancakes with coconut milk.
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You can, and they're really good.
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Oh yeah?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Not as good as oat milk.
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Wait, wait, I don't have coconut milk.
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I have oat milk.
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Not as good.
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I like oat milk more than I like.
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That works for pancakes?
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Way more.
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I'll never know because these ones are so good.
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I'll never need to make pancakes again because I've got tiny little frozen ones.
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Well, we've come to the end of our show.
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Yeah, what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is there is a new album from the band Roiksop.
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Okay.
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The Icelandic.
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I've seen that name before.
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The Icelandic answer to Daft Punk.
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Do they make some beep boop noise music?
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They sure do make some beep boops.
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They've worked extensively with Kings of Convenience and that's the Norwegian Simon and Garfunkel.
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I'm against the monarchy when it comes to convenience.
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Exactly.
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You've got Icelandic Daft Punk, Norwegian Simon and Garfunkel.
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I'm pretty sure Lady Trump's from Belgium despite my inability to understand.
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But yeah, it's fantastic.
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It's really great.
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I've been looking for some new beep boops.
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I think it's a great beep boop match.
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I'll check it out.
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So Jordan, today we are sticking around in the old past because I don't really care about what Alex is doing in the present day.
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We're all dead already.
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What more can he say?
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I got another million dollars!
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I find that really difficult to get motivated for.
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And I really do think that maybe a more productive use of our time is analyzing and looking at some of this stuff in the past
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and recognizing how it implicates and actually provides greater context for the stuff that's happening in the present day.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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It does seem like listening to the show in the present is just an exercise in futility instead of being part of a larger...
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Look at this dumb shit.
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Exactly!
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Hey guys, this guy's a racist!
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Bye bye!
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Right.
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He's yelling about stuff.
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He's really depressed.
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He got a million dollars.
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Now everyone's gonna die.
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He's wrong about the Bible.
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Congratulations.
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Well, we might get into that even in the past.
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Well, I mean, that's just the case.
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But, before we get into this episode where we're going to be going over July 31st and August 1st, 2003.
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That's Thursday for thee.
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It is, actually.
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It's Thursday and Friday.
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No shit!
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Oh, yes!
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I only know that this time because in one of the episodes Alex said, it's Friday.
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I'm like, alright.
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Alright.
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Okay.
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So before we get to that, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Honey Butter Bagheera.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Thank you!
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Next, Roger Stone's Dreamy Creamy Steamy Orgy with Aftercare.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Is that like lotion, the aftercare?
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Sure.
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Yeah, like a tattoo aftercare, I would assume.
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Sure.
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Okay.
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Next, Grand John Boarbeard.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Thank you!
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Next, The Shrubbery of Liberty.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Thank you!
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Next, Charles Ward was an antiquarian from infancy.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Do you know where that comes from?
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No, I don't.
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It's a line in the case of Charles Dexter Ward by H.P.
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Lovecraft.
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Ah, there we are.
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One of the, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I haven't seen that one in a while.
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That one might be problematic.
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Yeah, probably.
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But it doesn't leap out to me as, oh no, hold on, I think that one is not good.
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Uh oh.
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Oh shit.
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Not good.
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That might be the case for most of his work.
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Anyway.
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This is why people can't have nerdy shoutouts whenever the nerdy thing is for you, because
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you gotta deal with it.
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You gotta go to, like my nerdy shoutouts, I'm like, hey, you know, that's all I do.
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I've gotta wrestle with the fact that Lovecraft was kind of a monster for the greater part
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of his career.
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Yeah.
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Next, the three wise men, Gwee Gwee, Binky, and Baba.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And Frotter, Para, Mysterio.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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So, Jordan, we're gonna cover these two here days in the past.
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And our last past episode, we saw him talk to Chasidoski of the Global Research.
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And Bilbo Shears.
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Never a bad time for a Bilbo Shears.
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And the guy who was trying to get Arnold, or not Arnold, he was trying to get Gray Davis
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taken out of office.
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Right, right, right.
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Which would lead to Arnold coming into office.
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And he was suspiciously paid for by the guy who wanted to do it, but then had to drop
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out because he suspiciously paid for it.
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No, no, no, you're thinking of Daryl Isa, he wasn't, it wasn't a direct, like he was
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being paid by him.
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Isa had funded a lot of the early efforts to get the recall going.
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Not necessarily connected to this guy's, whose name is Kalugian.
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That's right.
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Fun names.
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Anyway, none of that is important for today because it doesn't continue.
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It did happen, yeah, yeah.
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Nothing is related.
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But here's an out of context drop from today's show.
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No one calls him on just lies that are so blatant it makes Bill Clinton look like the
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guy who wouldn't tell a lie chopping down the cherry tree.
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Who was that guy?
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What?
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Who was that guy, Alex?
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The guy who wouldn't tell a lie chopping down the cherry tree.
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Alex, who was that guy?
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Oh boy.
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Who was that guy, Alex?
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That seems like a foundational, that's foundational lore, okay?
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You can't forget lore.
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That's uh, yeah, that's uh, that's our boy Washington there.
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Right, right, right.
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Alex should know that one.
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Yeah, you would think.
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Does not.
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So, um, Alex opens the show here on the 31st of July in a bit of a mood where he's thinking
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like, man, maybe I don't do a great job generally.
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Well, that's fair.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it's a big, big, powerful, important show today.
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Also, I want to stop right there for a second.
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I really am coming around on the idea that Rogan stole powerful from Alex.
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Okay.
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I think that there is a decent, you know, I always say.
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You think Alex has powerful, like, uh, he's been going for so long with the powerful.
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We're in 2003.
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He's, he regularly starts a show saying this is a powerful broadcast.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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And Rogan does that too.
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Did, did Rogan start his shows on Fear Factor with this is going to be a powerful broadcast?
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I don't believe so, but he did, uh, news radio.
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Every episode started with Joe the handyman.
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Yeah.
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No, I do kind of think that Rogan is, he stole that from Alex.
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Yeah, that could be.
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It is the 31st of July, 2003.
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I'm Alex Jones and I rant and I rave and I analyze and I predict what you're on the show
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Monday through Friday from 11 to two central and then back from nine to midnight.
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And I've been dropping the ball.
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I really have been dropping the ball.
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I'm not covering the news folks.
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Yep.
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It's true.
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It's nice of him to, to admit to responsibility for his, his failures.
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Well, there's less responsibility to it and more just sort of, he's descriptively saying
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that he is not covering the news.
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Oh, you would expect like a change of behavior with someone that, I mean, that's what an
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apology is.
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It's a admittance of wrongdoing and a promise no longer to continue that behavior.
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I feel like it's con no, he spends a lot of the show ranting about how he doesn't like
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sports and how you're in a cult.
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If you watch, I have never considered the possibility that you could just go up to some
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somebody and say, I failed you and then move on as though nothing ever happened and there's
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no problem in you to continue to fail them.
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I will say, I mean, he does get to some news if you want to call it that, but, but you
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know, not, not any more than normal, I would say, which is a low, low bar.
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Right.
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But Alex does say something here at the beginning that I think is really interesting and then
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he does not explain any further, which I need him to explain this because this is, this
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is fascinating.
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I haven't listened to my own warnings here on the show and I've said it many times, if
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you don't consciously listen to this show with some key parameters in mind, this broadcast
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actually aids the new world order, the Illuminati, the globalist, the crime syndicate.
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If you do not listen to this show with a couple of key understandings, several key parameters,
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you are actually aiding the new world order and that has happened to a certain degree
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in my own life here.
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So I know kind of what he's saying because he said stuff like this before, which is that
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if you don't like take an active participation in the info war, then his show, what it's
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doing is acclimating you to these horrible things that the globalists are doing.
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So you'll think that they're normal and you won't fight back against them.
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It's like the pot getting a little warmer with the frog and Alex is serving that purpose
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unless you're active in some way.
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But as opposed to waking you up, he's numbing you.
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Right, right.
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But the problem that I have is what are those parameters you have to have in mind?
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And I heard that I was like, I cannot wait to know what these parameters are that Alex
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thinks you need in order to engage with his work.
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Maybe I just don't have those parameters in place.
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I see.
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I think it's, I don't remember physics very well, but I think it's up, down, love,
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and then charm.
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I don't forget the other two quirks, but I think those are the parameters.
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I think it's AABB, AABBY, up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, AABB.
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I was thinking of the code for Aladdin, I might have gotten it wrong.
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Right, right, right.
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I don't quite remember.
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Yeah, I don't know what those parameters are, but I was really interested because I
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think that there's a, like if there is a recognition that Alex is like, alright, there
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are these 3D glasses that you have to view this through or else it looks like a jumbled
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mess.
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Right.
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I would like to know what he thinks those 3D glasses are, metaphorically.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, if maybe what we're describing here is, is there an earpiece that you can wear
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that is analogous to the sunglasses in They Live?
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Right, right.
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Or is there a cipher?
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Yes, of course.
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That I can translate Alex's shit through.
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You gotta put a thing on then you spin the wheel to get the code, I get it.
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But we don't have any parameters explained and so I guess I'll just have to do the
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best I can.
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That's about it.
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So here's a story, actually Alex getting to the news.
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Okay.
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A Marriott yesterday, the federal court said, hey, Marriott's allowed to have cameras
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in the rooms.
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I didn't mention it yesterday.
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It's wall-to-wall insanity, it's totally out of control and there's really no way to
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track an onslaught of this level.
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We are living in total bedlam, the meter for insanity is close to pegging and this is all
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being done by design and it looks like the government's getting ready for a mass extermination
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operation.
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Wow.
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It really worked.
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The 20 million they killed in Nazi Germany and the 50 million Stalin killed and the 50
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million Mao killed and the 2 million Pol Pot killed and the hundreds of thousands that
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Fidel killed look small in comparison.
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So a point that I really want to stress in my coverage of these episodes from the past
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and a big part of the reason why I think they're important to discuss is that doom is always
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right around the corner.
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Alex is no different than any of these doomsday preachers who try to rile up their congregation
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with claims that the end is near only to be wrong and then do the whole thing over again
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a little bit later pretending the first time didn't happen.
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When we hear Alex and the people like him in the right wing media and parts of our government
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playing this game in the present day, it's important to understand that they're not serious.
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This is an act that they're doing and it's an act that they're doing for a reason.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I feel like even if you are making an absurd amount of money, it would still get
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old creatively after a while, right?
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Well, you're coming at this with the expectation that there is a creative point.
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Wow, that's a really good-
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There may not be.
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That's a really good point.
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Yeah.
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You know, I never considered that you could-
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Not everybody is driven by like necessarily a creative impulse.
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Sure.
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Some people are driven by like order, like, you know, liking spreadsheets and stuff like
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that.
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Like a radio show.
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That's not necessarily artistic.
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I'll tell you that.
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No, I understand.
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I had somebody who listens to that radio show.
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But that's what I'm saying.
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In my head, all like radio shows have to be based on some sort of creative desire or need
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to do something.
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It never occurred to me that you could do a radio show, like go to a coal mine every
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morning just being like, putting my little hat on and clocking in.
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Yeah, but instead of like doing something productive like mining, you're just scaring
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people with bullshit.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunately, I think that might be the case.
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Yeah, you're right.
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But that started with the story that Alex was talking about, about cameras.
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And it's about Marriott and security cameras.
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And Alex is entirely misreporting that story.
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There was a guy named Brian Brewer who found a camera in his bathroom's light fixture at
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a hotel he was staying at in Tennessee.
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He had accidentally broken the light, which is how he ended up finding it.
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And in response, he filed a lawsuit against Marriott for $1.5 million.
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I can't find the story that Alex is responding to here, but the actual case was filed in
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September 2002, so I'm guessing that in July 2003, either the case was dismissed or they
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reached a settlement.
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The issue is that the courts were never deciding or even asked to decide if Marriott can put
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cameras in their bathrooms, because that's not at issue here.
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No, you can't do that.
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The presumption is that someone else, possibly an employee or possibly a past guest, had
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put the camera there and the suit was against the hotel because they didn't catch that,
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and Brewer's privacy was violated.
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Even when Alex is doing this absurd performance of being so overwhelmed by the news and how
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he needs to cover these important stories, he can't convey basic details of the things
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he's talking about.
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That's wholly because the actual events that happened don't help him reinforce his conspiracy
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narratives, so he just makes shit up.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, let me throw this at you.
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Is it possible that the settlement was in order to make sure that nobody can put cameras
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in the Marriott bathrooms anymore?
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They put cameras in the Marriott bathrooms in order to monitor them.
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That could be, or they could have done a thing where they're like, we will put so many cameras
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in the bathroom that there's no room for anybody.
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There's too many cameras, so you can't get tricked by being like, oh, somebody, what
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if somebody's watching me?
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No, no, no, this is an after football game press conference.
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Yeah, I gotcha.
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That may be.
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I'd love to see the ruling on this.
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I think that would be an interesting one.
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So we got, we got a little bit of another story.
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Maybe Alex is actually getting to the news.
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He's not dropping the ball.
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They're building dozens of bio weapons lab, level four, now the resident evil type stuff.
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And Raccoon City.
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They're going to build them in your big major cities and the admitted plan is to prepare
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a bureaucracy for forced inoculations for dozens of bio weapons, so-called vaccines.
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So the people that launched the bio attacks are now going to make it a new giant industry
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to forcibly inject you and they're building the giant bureaucracy to carry that out.
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And a Houston Chronicle reported that preparing the national draft of doctors who have refused
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to take the shot.
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And so they're going to draft them and make them take it and then force them to give it
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to you.
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This is the Houston Chronicle.
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The top epidemiologist and others at major universities have refused to take it saying
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that there are unknown bizarre compounds involved in the injection, bizarre compounds, unknown
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resembling bio weapons.
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But again, please take your injections.
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So this is just a nice reminder that everything Alex is doing and has been doing with COVID
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is just a huge extension of the same propaganda game he plays with every vaccine that makes
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the news.
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It's always a bio weapon and the top epidemiologist at major prestigious universities have said
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so because of bizarre compounds.
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Hell, we even got Resident Evil in there.
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Raccoon City.
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Right?
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Umbrella.
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Coronavirus.
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The whole fucking thing.
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This here, this clip is about the smallpox vaccine, but honestly it could just be about
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any of them.
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It doesn't matter.
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He just does this.
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Also, they didn't build dozens of BSL-4 labs as Alex calls them, bio weapons labs that
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didn't happen.
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No.
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As of the present day, there are only 13 in all of North America.
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So man, it's a little off.
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You know, the problem with that, another false story, the problem with that clip is we really
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could have used a bunch of bureaucratic infrastructure built in advance for inoculations.
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Sure.
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Some of that may have been helpful in some ways, but I don't know necessarily if, I mean,
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the fantasies that he has, I don't know if they would be as productive towards that goal.
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Doubtful.
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And also I don't think that having dozens and dozens of BSL-4 labs would really help
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us that much.
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Would it increase safety or decrease safety?
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I don't know if it would actually even have an effect on them.
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Well, that's true.
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Because I don't think that they're nearly as dangerous as Alex makes them out to be.
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But I also don't think that there's so much work that needs to be done at them that you
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need them in every city or something.
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You know how it is in like SimCity or Civilization?
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You don't need an amphitheater in every colony or settlement that you make.
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Right, right, right.
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So maybe they partner with somebody, you know, like Baskin Robbins and Dunkin Donuts, like
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that kind of thing.
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You know, the BSL laboratories are also working with like, you know, food processing plants.
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That's usually a good comment.
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Uh oh.
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Wait, is that a problem?
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Oh no.
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Certainly is in the present day.
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So Alex has a fun story, man, I love this story.
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I am so glad that this comes up more than once on this episode.
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By the way, I was back down at UT last night doing some shooting for a film I'm working
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on just because they've got some great, you know, background scenes, uh, some, some great
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locations and I'm there in a lab on the perception and the psychology department.
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I look down and there are DARPA documents all over the place, mind control, you name
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it.
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Of course I got out of there.
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Uh, you know, I'm not going to go in there and get around such things.
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You know, I don't want to get near anything classified.
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I don't know if it was classified, but just your little mind control stuff there just
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lying around in piles, just, just everywhere, DARPA taking over everywhere.
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No way to, you know, even try to ignore it if I wanted to.
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Yep.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Who left all these top secret documents lying around?
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Just filming and I accidentally stumbled upon mind control plans.
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What a, uh, I mean, you could only call that a divine, uh, kismet.
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I think that's what it must be.
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I would actually like to define this a different way.
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Yeah.
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First of all, it didn't happen, but if it did, Alex is the worst person in the world
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because he didn't take those documents.
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Like, why?
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You could get in trouble.
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Sure.
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What sort of mission of information warfare is he engaged in that he would find DARPA
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mind control documents and be like, Oh, I don't want none of this.
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No, no.
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What he did was he neatly collected them into a pile and put them in a folder and left it
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on the desk and he was like slowly backed away from it.
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That's a Shadowgate situation.
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That's like a, Hey, I don't deal with this secret stuff.
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This is, this is terrifying.
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Right.
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Whatever man.
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So anyway, he'll get back to that later.
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Sure.
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Um, but, uh, I guess we've got to talk about seatbelts.
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Well here in the U S they say in the 1998 plan, the national seatbelt initiative, that
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it's about funding internal checkpoints, that the toll roads are really just the funding
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mechanism for internal checkpoints.
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And the satellite tracking system is to fund the police and military out searching your
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goods and then when you have to serve in national service, which they're about to pass, guaranteed
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after the next terror attack launch for the military industrial complex, you're going
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to have to serve until you're 65 out there on the road.
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One of the many duties helping search the cars.
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Let's talk to John in Indiana.
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All right, good call.
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Go to call.
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So first quick point, Alex guaranteed that after the next terror attack, which would
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be a false flag by the military industrial complex, citizens would be forced to do public
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service searching people's vehicles at checkpoints until they're 65 none of that has even come
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close to happening and about a thousand different things have happened that Alex has called
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false flag terror attacks committed by the military industrial complex.
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My point is that Alex is constantly wrong about everything.
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He says pretty much, you know, he would be right if he was just like, you know, after
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that next terror attack, they're going to make you take your shoes off forever even
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after you don't need to anymore.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah, I think he'll probably claim he predicted that after it happened.
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But instead, he's predicting that you'll be forced to work on the side of the road searching
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cars until you're 65.
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That's a bigger swing.
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Yep.
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So also, Alex seems very concerned about seatbelt rules back in 2003.
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Sure.
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He did become a little bit of a seatbelt snitch when he was harassing humanitarian volunteers
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near the border last year, but his preoccupation in the past seems a little bit larger.
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In this clip, Alex is rambling about how the government is going to put tracking chips
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into cars so they can tax you by the mile as you drive.
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This is something we've discussed a bit in the past, as it was one of the proposals that
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was being discussed in terms of ways that states could recoup some of the money they
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were losing on gas taxes, since cars were using less gas and there's new technologies
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emerging.
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Sure.
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That shortfall of gas tax revenue has serious consequences in terms of budgets that are
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needed to maintain the roads that these cars are driving on.
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So the proposal is actually a pretty sensible one.
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It makes intuitive sense.
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Anyway, Alex is saying that the 1998 National Seatbelt Initiative was about funding internal
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checkpoints.
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Naturally, this is not true.
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Yeah.
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Most of the document is about increasing the public's awareness of the benefits of wearing
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a seatbelt and framing the decision to not wear one appropriately.
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This involves a focus on the issue as one that relates to your health, as well as making
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sure that the perception wasn't solely focused on traffic deaths, because a huge factor is
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the injuries that the accidents cause and expenses that people rack up, and public expenses
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for that matter.
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Right.
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In this document, it's super clear that states are the ones who make traffic laws, and the
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President or Congress can express that they would like states to do more, but this is
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up to the states.
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They do propose a four-part plan, and one of the parts is, quote, conduct high-visibility
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enforcement of seatbelt laws.
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This is probably what Alex is exaggerating out into his dumb conspiracy, but it's just
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the report expressing that if people don't think laws are going to be enforced, they're
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probably less likely to follow them.
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Clicking her ticket, yeah.
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As always, Alex is just making shit up to craft scary stories for his audience, but
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it's fun that it's based on Bill Clinton being like, hey people, we need to get more people
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wearing seatbelts because it's been empirically shown to save lives and cause less injuries
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in accidents.
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Yeah, it is.
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This is one of those such a, like, we're all like, oh my god, these anti-maskers are terrible.
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What if they were in a different time?
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Would they be anti-seatbelt?
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Yeah.
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Yes, they would.
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Yes.
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Yes, they would be anti-seatbelt.
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And they'd be coming up with elaborate reasons to justify.
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The whole same fucking, yeah, again, this is terrible.
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Yeah.
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And you see it.
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Yep.
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So a caller calls in and he and Alex are complaining about how, I guess that if you're an undocumented
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immigrant, you get to, like, live 50 people to a house, but if you're just a good old
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white American, that's not allowed.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Is this a problem?
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It is for these guys.
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Okay.
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It was funny what you mentioned a few minutes ago about illegal occupancy, multiple dwellings
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by illegal aliens.
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Of course, living here in New York, it is true because I see that all the time.
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You see houses, like two family houses, converted into multiple dwellings where you literally
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will have dozens, and I'm telling you, these are right near me.
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I see these places of people who are illegal immigrants living in these small occupancies
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as obvious as a punch in the nose, and they do nothing about it.
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Matter of fact, there's been articles all over the country that the local mob bosses
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that run the governments, and I mean small towns, big cities, they pass the ordinance.
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I mean, you'll have a cousin staying with you for a month while they're moving or something,
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and there's the police at your door, thousand dollar fines, but you can have a house with
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boiling illegals coming out the front door and nothing will be done.
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Nothing is done.
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And you're right.
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So these sorts of regulations are going to be on a state or even like a lower level kind
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of issue, so I guess if these people are really that upset about zoning or housing regulations,
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I don't know what to tell them.
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Go to the city council meeting.
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Well, no, you should stay away from city council meetings.
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Well, that's fair.
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That's a good point.
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But, you know, it doesn't seem to be productive to be complaining about it on a national radio
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show.
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This seems like something you could actually take action on a local level about.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This seems achievable.
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Naturally, there is some guidance that's offered on the federal level through the Department
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of Housing and Urban Development, much of which goes back to a 1991 memo written by
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their general counsel, Frank Keating.
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The memo largely is a discussion about how many people should be living in a dwelling
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based on how many bedrooms there are.
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Keating concludes that the number is two, but also that's not a hard and fast number
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and that there's a ton of other factors to consider other than bedrooms.
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Lay out of the house.
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Are these people children?
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Yeah, whatever.
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A lot of factors.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Most of the reason that these regulations exist has to do with safety.
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Overcrowding is not good from a health or some even structural reason, so it's typically
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avoided.
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That said, if your cousin comes to live with you for a month, there is no way the cops
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are going to show up unless your cousin was coming to live with you because he was on
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the run from the cops.
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Right.
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You might get into trouble with your landlord if you're violating your lease, but if it's
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your house, this just isn't a realistic scenario that's going to happen.
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I mean, personally, I have seen plenty of movies and documentaries.
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Haven't you lived with people?
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Yes, I have.
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Yes, I have.
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I've lived with a lot of people.
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Have cops come?
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No, never.
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Not for all the illegal living that I've done.
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But I don't think that I've seen any mob documentaries where they're like, holy shit, we better pass
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this ordinance, otherwise there's going to be too many people living in single homes
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with their cousins.
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We got to get this ordinance passed.
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We got to jam them up.
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Hey, hey, buddy, come on over here.
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I'd hate it if too many people lived in your house.
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This is just a way that Alex and this caller, people like them, can express their hatred
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of Mexican immigrants in a way that makes it feel socially acceptable.
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It's the like, they get away with it, but us upstanding white Americans get in trouble.
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That's a false premise rooted just in white victimhood.
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Purely.
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Larger issue though, people shouldn't have to live 20 people in an apartment regardless
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of their immigration status.
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That might be something we could make a dent in through investing in affordable public
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housing, but Alex is against that too because of freedom.
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Yeah, it would be interesting if that guy's take on it was like, man, there are all these
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immigrants living in their houses together.
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I see it.
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I see it.
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These immigrants are living in their houses together and that's why we need affordable
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public housing coming from all directions.
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We need to expand certain places.
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We can't allow investment properties to be sitting there empty on the market.
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That would be an interesting take.
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Yeah.
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It would be curious to see how Alex got really mad about that.
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Yeah.
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Instead, this caller and him agree and so they end up saying stupid shit.
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That sounds right.
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That's true, Alex.
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100%.
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It was in the Chicago Tribune that people wake up in bed at 730 in the morning with
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police and black ski mask with guns on them.
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This is in Aliceville and other areas up there.
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That's true.
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They say, we have to look and see how many toothbrushes you have and if the house, privately
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owned, has three toothbrushes and there's only two people allowed, that is an automatic
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find and arrest.
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Now, this was in the mainstream news in Illinois.
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Absolutely not.
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Ah, no, that's insane.
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That's absurd.
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There are so many problems with this idea.
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If you have an extra toothbrush.
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I mean, first off, man, the cops are not smart enough to tell how many toothbrushes you have.
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Also, a person can have two toothbrushes.
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No, you cannot.
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Yes, you can.
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No, you're coming down to the station with me to prove that you have more than one toothbrush.
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I believe in an America where people can have two toothbrushes.
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Also, I think what's going on here is that Alex is thinking of maybe a TV show where
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someone realized they were being cheated on because there was an extra toothbrushed.
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Right, right, right.
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Something like that.
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Right, right, right.
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Or like a murder she wrote where she was like, ah, I noticed that you have a foreign toothbrush
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in your...
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that old thing.
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Yeah.
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No one's getting arrested because their significant other has decided to bring a toothbrush over
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to leave in their house.
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No.
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So fucking dumb.
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Well, I mean, was it a mechanical toothbrush?
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What do you mean?
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I mean, does it have battery power?
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Oh.
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No.
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We took it different directions.
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Well, yeah, there are different directions to go.
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So Alex gets another call, and it's one of my favorite calls, or types of calls as it
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were, and that is somebody who wants specifics.
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And Alex doesn't really have much to go on here.
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No.
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Doesn't have those.
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No.
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Justin, you're on the air.
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Go ahead.
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Hi, Alex.
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Hello.
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I had just a couple questions I wanted to ask you.
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Maybe it's another thing that you could put up on your website.
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Maybe just like a top five or 10 influential NWO members.
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A list of the prison camps that you're talking about is the ones that are supposedly already
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built.
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I wonder if you could put anything like that out there for me to do some more research
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on.
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Well, now, we do have a concentration camp section on prisonplanet.com.
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Have you been to it?
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Yes, I have.
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Okay.
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We have the Detroit Free Press saying, quote, our troops are trained to kill grandmothers.
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We have the Rocky Mountain News saying mass graves and incinerators are ready for you
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and your family.
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It actually says that.
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We have the LA Times, Ashcroft's hellish camps, camps being built, execution centers for anyone
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committing a misdemeanor.
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We have the east coast, west coast TV stations reporting with county commissioners announcing
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Dave Schultz, one of them we had on the show about how the feds told them about how they
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wanted to use the national park as a mass camp for hundreds of thousands of people.
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No.
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They're reopening Manazar and the Japanese camps.
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That's admitted.
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We've been there and gotten photos and written articles about it five, six, seven years ago.
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So most of the...
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I mean, the camps, you've got more prisons than any other country in the world.
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The camps are your giant new county jails and law enforcement centers and FEMA emergency
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centers.
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I mean, right here in Austin, the old Robert Mueller airport, 800 acres.
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Part of it's a movie studio.
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The other part is jet hangers with bolts and chains in the floor, thousands of cots, port-a-potties,
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barbed wire inside and places to chain people up with armored vehicles parked.
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And then they announce on the local news, this is a camp for your safety.
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And Austin wins the FEMA 2000 award, this is before 9-1-1 and they're building some
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new giant law enforcement center and you can't get into the city hall now.
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Oh boy, this is going on.
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So is that the top five?
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Yeah.
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So these headlines that Alex is rattling off are all wildly out of context or things that
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he's just making up of on top of other stories.
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That thing about Mueller airport is actually something that goes back to his Y2K broadcast.
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So that one's an old standby for him.
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That's beautiful.
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You may remember that one, the chains at the airport hangar.
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I do, I do.
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So what's going on here isn't actually too different from the situation we saw in our
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last episode where a caller wanted Alex to say who Q was.
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Alex was being asked for specific information and instead of answering directly, he launches
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off into a rant about vague insinuations that get the caller no closer to having any real
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information.
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So it kind of feels like it for the caller.
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Well he's saying things that sound like they could be information.
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Right.
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And in a way that's kind of condescending, so the caller probably feels put on their
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back foot a little bit.
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Right.
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I mean if you were looking at it through the wrong parameters, you might see him actively
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doing harm to his cause to fight the globalists.
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I wonder what those parameters are.
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So this is the same thing that Alex is doing here because as I said on the last episode,
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specificity is the enemy of a conspiracy theorist.
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You can be wrong about everything and get away with pretty much all of it as long as
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you're really vague about it.
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Give yourself enough wiggle room to pretend, you know.
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I love how insecure he is because that was also a question that he could have avoided
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by going, you know what, you're right, I'm going to get somebody on that and then moved
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on.
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Right.
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Yep, he could have just been like, that'd be a great thing to put on my website.
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You're a good ideas man.
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Let's get Paul Joseph Watson's brother to take care of this.
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Totally.
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And then don't do it.
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And if he had called in at the right time, probably between six and eight years after
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this, Alex would have been like, maybe you should get a job here.
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I'm giving you a show.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, that was a great idea.
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I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, why don't you tell me who the top five globalists
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are?
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Yes, exactly.
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Every weekday at four.
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So we do get back to this actually, who the top five globalists are.
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All right.
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Do you want to guess?
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Didn't Buzzfeed do a list on them?
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No.
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Okay.
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That would have paid off not to.
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Top five globalists.
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Got to have a Rothschild in there.
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Okay.
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I'm going to go with, I mean, you'd think Gates would be in there, but I think he hates
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Gates yet, right?
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No, he does hate Gates.
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He does hate Gates, but he's not top globalist yet.
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I don't know.
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I know Bush is a puppet.
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Sure.
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My answers are Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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Okay.
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Sylvester Stallone.
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Okay.
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It's the cast of The Expendables.
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I wanted to get back to like maybe a top five or 10 people that you would think, you know,
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we're doing the most harm to liberties right now.
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Who are the heads of the new world order?
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Yeah.
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Because we always talk about Clinton or Wolfowitz or Bush, you know, they're minions and it's
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simple.
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They've got a core of technicians to bring in the new world order, but to make sure they
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control the political process, one poses as a left puppet.
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One poses as the right puppet.
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But if you want to know who owns the new world order, it is the Dutch roll family, British
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roll family, the Rothschild banking family in this country, the Rockefeller banking family.
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There is a, there's a few other families involved in it, but that's the top five.
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So no Satan, no Bill Gates, no Klaus Schwab, no Epstein, no world economic forum.
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Nope.
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It's remarkable.
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Almost as if all these characters weren't as important to Alex in 2003 because at that
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point the conspiracy community was still in the, it's all about the Rockefellers and Rothschilds
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phase.
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They hadn't grown out of that yet.
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Yep.
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Now, one of the things I think is kind of interesting, I was laying in bed trying to
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fall asleep last night and I started to think about like how much Alex's like whole shit
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is basically like how comic books operate, how like there's an arc.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then there's a reset and then it's Secret Wars and then you have a whole new, the new
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Avengers.
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And some villain will pop up like way down the road and then you pretend that they've
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been there the whole time.
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The whole time, yeah, yeah.
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Oh my God, it's Mr. Purple.
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He was behind it all.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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His shit really does work that way.
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It does.
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And it makes sense.
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It's an effective mode of storytelling.
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I guess, but it also makes sense based on his reading comprehension levels.
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And the kind of stuff that he takes in.
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It's like, you know, old sci-fi kind of runs hand in hand with someone who'd be into comic
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books.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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It's interesting to me.
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Yeah, I wonder if he's a Silver Age guy.
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He's probably a New 15 guy.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, we get back to this bio lab story here and he's wrong about everything.
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Yeah, it sounds weird.
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The government has announced dozens and dozens and dozens and no one's quite sure.
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The official number is in 36.
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Now they're saying more.
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Giant bio weapons labs, level four.
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Level four.
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Now level four just isn't an anthrax or a small box.
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It's weaponized stuff and it means it's in large quantities.
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And they're going to build these in most major US cities.
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They're in the process of building them and folks, as you understand, this is 10 times
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conservatively more dangerous than having a giant nuclear power plant in your city.
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We have had porting down by a weapons lab three years ago, the same place where they
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kill US troops and admit it later, just 20 years ago, we're killing them there and just
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admit it.
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They released foot and mouth.
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Now that came out, was admitted.
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They said, oh, it was an accident.
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We don't know how, you know, from this underground base, it just showed up in over a dozen places
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from Scotland to Ireland simultaneously.
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I predicted with a prime projection by analyzing the different strata and data, what the data
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throughout the different levels of propaganda, the data strata that the, that the environmental
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minister would declare.
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And I did this on there over and over again that no cows or sheep can be restocked.
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Alex is impressively wrong about just about everything in that clip.
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And it's really amazing how he's trying to present this as some kind of proof that is
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he has this ability to analyze data that comes in from different strata of the media or whatever.
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They didn't make dozens and dozens or even 36 BSL for labs.
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These aren't bio weapons labs.
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They aren't super dangerous porting down didn't, they not only didn't admit that they released
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foot and mouth, they actually released a statement saying that they don't do any work with foot
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and mouth at that lab.
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And they never said that people couldn't restock livestock.
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There are just regulations in place where the outbreak needs to be contained.
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And then after the disease has been eradicated, you have to wait 21 days to restock your animals
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for safety.
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Right.
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That's what they said.
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Everything Alex is telling his audience is basically made up.
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It's astonishing to me.
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And I honestly don't think that you can be that wrong without trying.
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Yeah.
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Like there's an intention to be wrong.
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There has to be.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Cause that's, that's out.
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That's out of control.
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Mm hmm.
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Either that or he's really is just freestyling, you know, just off the dome.
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Just letting it fly.
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I think that if he was freestyling, he'd be right about more things.
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Yeah.
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You're probably right.
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He would have to pull reality out of his brain.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Just random chance would dictate that.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if it's just that he constantly and like only gets headlines from sources
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that are intentionally lying or he's intentionally lying, but like, I just don't, I can't, I
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can't imagine this as an accident.
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He's like a, he's like a hole in the force, you know, like where, where any correct information
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could exist.
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He's like, he's like the emptiness within the, the, the universe, the strata of our
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data.
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I've analyzed it.
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Well, yeah.
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Good on you.
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Thank you.
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I'd like you to analyze this strata data.
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Okay.
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So we have these bio weapons labs that are, that are being built everywhere and I just
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read earlier where a monkey escaped from one and the Baltimore Sun has reported at these
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things they're producing thousands of gallons, thousands of gallons, thousands of gallons,
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the dozens they already have, thousands of gallons of weaponized Ebola.
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So Alex is wrong about this story.
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The monkey didn't escape from a BSL four lab or even a bio lab.
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Sure.
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It was a rhesus monkey that escaped from the California national primate research center.
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The reason this is at all relevant to the story Alex is covering is because that center
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is at UC Davis and there was talk of building a $150 million bio containment lab there.
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And the fact that the monkey escaped from their normal facilities made that investment
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look uncertain.
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The headline for the story that Alex is covering is quote monkeys escape may sync bio defense
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lab.
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Right.
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So what's going on is that Alex read that headline and he's pretending that this means
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a monkey escaped from a bio defense lab because he just makes up the stuff that he reports
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to the audience.
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That is.
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That's cruel.
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Yeah.
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No, it's, I mean, malicious, lazy, lying.
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Anyway.
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Uh, this incident was enough to put the kibosh on this, uh, uh, planned lab and it never
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got built at UC Davis to a certain extent.
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There is one employee who's like, Ooh, that one's on me.
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I don't know if they ever $50 million lab.
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I don't know if they ever like, uh, figured out who did it or if anyone was actually even
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to blame.
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No, I mean, it's entirely possible that it was just a crafty.
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Yeah.
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No, no.
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Absolutely.
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They know how to use tools.
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Any kind of oversight may have, uh, may have just been a mistake or this documentary about
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this one, one monkey named Caesar Caesar, the monkey.
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Yeah.
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Did he rise?
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Mm.
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Did he?
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Sure.
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Fuck it.
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Dead.
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Yeah.
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Rose rose like shit, man.
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So Alex has just got these fucking stories and he's just wrong about everything.
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Yeah.
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So thankfully we get back to hearing about him stumbling into DARPA.
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Good, good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Let me tell you last night, I'm down at one of the big UT departments because they have
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some cool hallways and places to shoot some video and I'm down there and literally I'm
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just by a workstation right out in the open area where the graduate students are.
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And there's DARPA mind control documents laying there and a researcher walks by, you know,
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it's like 12 o'clock at nine.
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I'm up working doing this and shooting some video and all of a sudden this researcher
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walks by and he goes, Alex Jones, we're big fans.
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He goes, well, most of our departments fight not to take DARPA, but the DARPA money.
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But they said DARPA is everything and it's all mind control.
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It's a giant mind control facility.
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It's lavish.
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I mean, the place is gigantic.
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And look, I'm just in the areas you're allowed to be in, but a lot of it's classified and
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walled off.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So this story has evolved.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I do appreciate that there is now just an innocent bystander wandering by going like,
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hold on, is that Alex Jones?
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I do think...
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We're huge fans.
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I mean, as somebody who has worked in university offices and, you know, my dad's a professor
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and I have some acquaintance with how...
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His protocol.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how Alex is getting into these buildings at midnight.
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No.
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That would require some kind of special access or like somebody allowing him to shoot there.
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And I doubt that that would be something that like would have to go through some sort of
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a channel.
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I saw this documentary where this guy just got out of jail, right?
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And his buddy, he had a plan.
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He was like, we got to take off this casino because sometimes the casino wins.
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He said it a little bit better than this.
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He's like, sometimes the casino wins, but then sometimes you win.
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See, here's the problem with this.
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I was clearly referencing Planet of the Apes.
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You could be referencing a hundred different movies.
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Oh, come on.
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It's Ocean's Eleven.
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Sure.
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It could be plenty of other.
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Oh, come on now.
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That could have been Reindeer Games.
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That is true.
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It could have been Reindeer Games, but I would never reference Reindeer Games.
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So yeah, that story is all made up.
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There's no chance of any of that.
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Nope.
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So Alex gets a call from a lady from Wichita and she is a new listener.
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And so Alex decides that he's going to freak her out.
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And so he just tries to scare her a little bit.
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And there's this awesome moment.
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I love this so much.
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Alex doesn't know anything about Wichita.
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No.
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But one of the ways that he's able to freak people out is by throwing out specifics.
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Yes.
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Like the name of your local paper.
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Right.
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Or something like that.
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Right, right, right.
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He's able to make it look like, no, I actually have researched this.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But he doesn't know shit about Wichita and it comes up twice in 40 seconds here and it's
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awesome.
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Yeah.
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So Wichita also has announced thumb scanners to go in your grocery stores to buy and sell.
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I asked one of my grocery store people about that and he said he'd heard a rumor but they
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hadn't made a decision yet.
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Heard a rumor.
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It was announced.
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What's your Wichita daily paper?
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Oh, the Wichita Eagle Beacon.
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I work on it.
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Yes, that's it.
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I failed the data transmission.
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But yeah, about three weeks ago, that article said that your major grocery stores within
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one year will be forcing you to thumb scan to buy and sell.
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Okay.
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So that's your Wichita paper.
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That's the CEO of what's the big, what's the grocery store chain based in Wichita?
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Dillon?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That sounds right.
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Give him those details so I can throw them back at you.
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So I checked with the Dillon's in Wichita and they do in fact accept cash and credit
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for groceries.
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Still?
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Yeah, and they don't require people to submit to thumb scans.
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Really?
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And then if they did, they'd be out of business really fast because there's a lot of other
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grocery stores in Wichita.
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It's not like a one stoplight town or whatever.
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I guess Alex might be a coastal elite thinking that all of Kansas is just tumbleweeds and
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saloons or whatever.
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I do like that he's employing like traditional cold reading tactics to him.
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Just like, I'm thinking, no, no, no.
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There's a newspaper in Wichita.
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Am I correct?
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What's the name of that newspaper?
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Three weeks ago, the CEO of what's your local grocery store?
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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I'm seeing the letter M. The idea that someone couldn't see through
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this is just like absurd.
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So funny.
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So it legit couldn't be clear that Alex is just making shit up here and he doesn't know
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any specifics about Wichita.
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But this is embarrassing stuff and I would ask, why would a grocery store require a thumbprint
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to buy or sell?
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Have you ever gone to the grocery store to sell something?
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I mean, I have bartered at the Whole Foods many a time.
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You don't have, you don't like go there to like, you don't bring in a sack of potatoes.
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No!
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If you're like, hey, Jew Lasko, look what I got for you.
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I make, I make some nice homemade muffins and then when I go through the self checkout,
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I leave the muffins on the thing and then I leave.
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The person checking you out, like what do you want, what are you going to give me for
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these?
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I got all these muffins.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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I think that maybe that is just language that is meant to invoke the mark of the beast.
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I think you might be right.
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And so you just throw on get around.
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Ah, I could be.
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So here's the last clip from this episode where Alex continues to try and freak out
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this lady from Wichita.
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Sure.
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Well, it has me disturbed.
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I mean, am I going to be one of them that's going to get put in a camp and shot?
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Let's say you're a big liberal.
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You've got a business that a member of the Homeland Security Board in your state wants.
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Yeah, you'll get arrested and a lot of you'll never be seen.
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They'll just shoot you a couple times, throw you in a meat grinder or a vata acid or down
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into a coal mine.
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Sure.
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Up in Inos, Kentucky, they built a supermax on top of a large coal mine to get rid of
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the bodies.
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What?
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So, yeah.
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Generally, if you got something they want, I mean, maybe a local Gestapo captain wants
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your husband.
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Or, you know, wants your wife.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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Yep.
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So a local Gestapo person wants your spouse.
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And so they're going to boil you in acid.
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The Wichita Gestapo is going to come to your house because they want your husband to toss
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you some acid.
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Might be a little bit extreme.
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This is borderline freak out the squares level.
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Yes!
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That was definitely the vibe I was getting from that call.
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Absolutely.
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So we go to the first.
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And there weren't a whole lot of clips of Alex being mad at sports on the last episode
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that I pulled because it honestly didn't really feel that important on the 31st, but it continues
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on the first.
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He's real mad at sports.
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Yeah.
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And that's why I was like, I took notice of it.
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We try to bypass all that.
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You can get Colby Bryant all day long on other channels.
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You can hear people call in and cry and moan because their sports hero didn't do too good
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up at the plate, up on the mound.
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I mean, I hear these guys call into shows and they're just, oh, it's so serious.
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It's so important.
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And they detail the finest minutia of baseball and football.
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But then you try to tell that joker about the Bill of Rights and what's happening to
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America.
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They'll laugh at you.
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They'll get so concerned when they call in on the sports show and they're so worried
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about everything.
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And then that's totally normal and good, but care about your country, care about your liberties
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and freedoms and what the forefathers fought and died for and you're bad.
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I mean, he just seems to think that it's impossible to care about sports and the country simultaneously,
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which I don't know how to respond to that.
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I mean, considering the amount of jingoistic military-ass bullshit that's rammed down of
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our fucking throats through sports.
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There's a lot of it.
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You'd think Alex would be stoked.
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So he talked about Kobe Bryant there as Colby, and I think that this actually is a big part
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of why he's mad, because there's a lot of news about Kobe Bryant and his sexual assault
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case.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He admitted he raped that woman.
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Yeah, and Alex has some weird news about this.
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I was watching Hannity and Combs last night, and again, I haven't watched TV in weeks,
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but I did watch a couple hours last night.
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And they had the girl on that the news and the newspapers and the internet had said was
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Colby Bryant's, the girl he allegedly sexually assaulted.
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And of course it wasn't the right girl.
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The media just picked up on it and thousands of websites posted it on many of the mainstream
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news sites.
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But just on a side note, watching her, I mean, talk about a dithering, mindless, bug-eyed
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airhead.
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Oh my God, no.
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That's the future human.
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Utterly mindless, just a clone of the TV show Friends trying to mirror whatever the peer
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pressure conduit orders her to do.
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I mean our men are slovenly, ignorant, baseball cap wearing creatures, stumbling around, acting
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like juvenile delinquents when they're 30 years old.
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Our women have been trained to be insecure and to be slathering themselves in endless
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cosmetic applications and living to shop and throw their kids in the daycare where they're
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vaccinated with deadly bio weapons.
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I mean, I'm not trying to be bitter here, folks.
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I'm very positive about the good elements of society, but just when I see the willful
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ignorance, the people wrapping themselves in a cocoon of mindlessness, it's really hard
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to deal with.
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Alex is 29 years old.
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I mean, that sounds like he was going to end that with like, ah, jeez there, Edith.
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Like what are we, what the fuck?
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Yeah, I don't know, but I also think Alex has his story entirely wrong.
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I might be wrong about this.
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I can find no evidence to the contrary, but I think that here's what's going on.
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So on July 28th, a couple days before this episode, Hannity and Combs featured an interview
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with Tom Lykus, the notoriously disgusting radio host who's famous essentially just for
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being a chauvinist pile of shit.
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He had decided he was going to out Kobe's accuser, which was the story that Hannity
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and Combs were covering.
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From Hannity's intro to that interview, quote, most news stations have a policy against naming
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sexual assault victims, so why did Los Angeles nationally syndicated radio talk show host
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Tom Lykus feel compelled to identify Kobe Bryant's accuser?
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He joins us from Los Angeles.
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I don't think that Hannity and Combs ever had a person alleging to be Kobe's accuser
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on the show, but what seems to be going on here is that Alex is conflating this Lykus
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interview with another thing that was happening at the time, which is that people were circulating
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pictures of a woman that they were inaccurately claiming was the accuser.
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Tom Lykus did get the name of the person.
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Real name, but people circulated a fake picture of a different person.
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Yes, and so I think that Alex has combined these two, imagined an interview, and is complaining
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about this person he didn't actually watch an interview with, and that kind of tracks
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with Alex's attention to detail and journalistic standards, certainly.
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And belief that dreams are real.
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I guess if anybody, like, I would be very open to, you know, figuring out more about
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this, like if someone were able to send me the Hannity and Combs interview that Alex
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is talking about, I'd be happy to amend my feeling on this, but based on everything
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I can find, this is what Alex is-
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This is what he's talking about.
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I think he's making up an interview that he watched.
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Amazing.
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It does seem like the whole anger at sports thing that Alex has been on is mostly kind
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of about this, though.
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I mean, it is when you see his misogyny and racism come into conflict that I think the
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misogyny trumps.
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I don't know if they're in conflict.
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Well, that's fair.
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He's experiencing both simultaneously, I think, a little bit.
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That is true.
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It does feel like he's really focusing on the misogyny, though.
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Yep.
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As like the primary, when it comes down to it, I'm with all men over all women, you know?
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As the, as, you know, they say, you gotta have a code.
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So in this next clip, Alex, he's trying out for a Herald team, I think.
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He's doing an improv scene with himself.
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Oh, that's not good.
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Where he pretends to get into a conversation with somebody who doesn't like the info war
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because he wants to play golf.
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They're announcing satellite cracking and taxation for our cars that's going in in Germany,
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Canada, England, about to start in some of the western states and move across the country.
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And you try to tell one of these people that, and I have, I mean, I could talk to a college
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student.
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I can talk to an old black man.
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I can talk to a good old boy in a cowboy hat.
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They'll listen.
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Those are the three types of people.
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They'll listen or a Mexican immigrant, but these middle-class, uh, you know, a hundred
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thousand dollars a year sports fans, you'll tell them something, they'll go, we'll find,
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let them satellite track or, well, I guess Bush has got to, you know, compromise and
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sign the assault weapons ban.
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They'll have a, you know, Bush, uh, Cheney sticker and then you'll say, but what about
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blocking Dan Burton's committee?
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I'm pardon gay.
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Well, I guess Bush has got to do that.
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I got to go, Alex, I, I've seen your show, I've heard your radio show.
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I don't believe it.
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I got to go play golf.
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Come on, Jimmy, let's get in the car and this'll be, they'll start it, you know, walking out
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of a restaurant.
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They'll say something to me.
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Oh, I don't, I don't believe that stuff you say, well, what do you not believe, sir?
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And I'll try to come over and invest time and they just arrogantly with their little,
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their little pennant cap and go, I got to go play golf while our country is gone.
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And then I'll hear that same type of individual on the radio.
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So concerned, so upset, really, you can hear the, I mean, you'd think one of their children
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was in the hospital.
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They're just, they call in so concerned and I mean, this is sick.
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This is mental illness, people.
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This is mental illness.
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So this person will come up to me outside the restaurant and they'll say something to
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me and then I'll vest time trying to talk to them and they'll be like, I want to go
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play golf.
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And then I go over to UT Austin and I find a lab that's got DARPA documents everywhere.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yep.
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I would, I would argue that his story that he made up to describe other people as insane,
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in fact, more reveals his own insanity.
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Yeah, sure.
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But I think that there probably is maybe a kernel of truth to it.
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Sure.
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Like maybe somebody blew him off outside a restaurant or something and then mentioned
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that they were going to go play golf or something.
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A very reasonable thing to do.
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Alex has turned this into like, I got to go play golf.
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Right.
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And then he imagines that people on the radio are like this person.
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They're exactly like that person.
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He's created an image of in his head.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Makes sense.
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Yeah.
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On a long day, we know that Alex is the most important person in the world.
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The Trump administration called him the Texan.
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True.
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And they always wanted to know what the Texan thought about things.
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Gotta.
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Putin listens every day.
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He needs to.
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Bolsonaro might listen.
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We know his son does.
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Yes.
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Actually that one might be true.
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Um, but in 2003, uh, the not so notable, not so notable, Alex gets a call and a guy brings
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up something that makes Alex very excited.
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I spoke to the state Senator Bob Rom that I gave the road to tyranny to, and he just
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says, you're a kook.
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I don't, but you know, that's just, that's just, I figured it, hold on the state Senator
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and already knew who I was.
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State Senator Bob Rom.
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Yeah.
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I gave him the road to tyranny video.
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I told him to watch.
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Did he read the back and call me a kook or did he just say, oh yeah, I know this guy,
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he's a kook.
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No, he just watched it and you know, he just doesn't want to believe it or something.
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Oh my God.
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Do you have a crush?
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Oh.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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He looked at me like that.
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How did he look at me?
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Did it?
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I did.
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Did he turn the other way?
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Wait, wait, wait.
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He already knew I was crazy.
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He already knew who I was and that I was not.
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Oh my God.
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I can't believe he knew who I was.
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Oh my God.
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Oh my God.
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This is a huge moment for me.
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A state Senator I've never heard of knows him of me.
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It's a little bit lower stakes.
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Maybe.
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So, uh, Alex has a interesting little bit of a story, sort of a pop culture, human interest
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kind of story.
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Okay.
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And he is fucking so excited about it.
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Folks.
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There's so much here.
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I've got this article.
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It's now come out.
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It's confirmed that Stalin tried to have John Wayne killed.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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When the FBI went to warn John Wayne that killers were on his trail in Hollywood, John
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Wayne said, Hey, go home boys.
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I got the second amendment.
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He actually said that.
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Sounds true.
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Turns out he quote survived an assassination attempt and then didn't even want to talk
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about it when the communists tried to kill him.
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Sounds true.
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Amazing article coming up.
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Amazing.
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Amazing.
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So this wasn't proven that the KGB under orders from Stalin had sent hit squads to kill John
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Wayne.
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What?
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That's just a claim that was made in a biography of Wayne called John Wayne, the man behind
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the myth.
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According to an article on military.com, Wayne learned of this plot and quote, obviously
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not one to let a thing like communist assassins get him down.
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Wayne and his script writer, Jimmy Grant, allegedly abducted the hit men, took them
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to a beach and staged a mock execution.
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No one knows exactly what happened after that, but Wayne's friends said that Soviet, those
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Soviet agents began to work for the FBI from that day on.
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That sounds true for a man who dodged the draft.
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Also apparently when Khrushchev took over power, he met with John Wayne and apologized
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for the whole assassination attempt.
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That's really nice of Khrushchev.
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Yeah.
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That is really nice of Khrushchev.
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You don't get a lot of heads of state apologizing for previous behavior.
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Taken some responsibility.
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It's admirable.
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That's nice.
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There's nothing else to put this other than to say that this is a stupidly fake story
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being passed along in this biography.
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And it's really funny that Alex, the king of skepticism and guy who can see through
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all the BS is just taking it at face value because it makes him feel good about his worldview.
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Yeah.
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The biography was written by a guy named Michael Munn.
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And let's just say that accusations that he makes things up in his books are not uncommon.
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Oh really?
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For instance, much of his biography of Frank Sinatra involves things that he claims he
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remembers from pillow talk he had with Ava Gardner when she was 45 and he was 17 and
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they had an affair during which he revealed all sorts of things that she never told anybody
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else.
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God damn, that is some good backstory.
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I like that.
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Pretty solid.
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I like that.
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This one here is from an article in The Guardian.
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This little blurb.
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This tickled me.
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Quote, there was a time that David Niven, stricken with the motor neuron disease that
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killed him, called Munn in.
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Quote, Mike, I've got to see you.
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He told him to bring his tape recorder and spoke of his secret love child, his illegitimacy,
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and his failed attempt to shoot himself as well as hinting at an interest in Mormonism
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and affairs with Princess Margaret and Grace Kelly.
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That sounds true.
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A lot of his work seems to revolve around made up things that happened to him that are
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secret and generally involve a one on one exchange with someone who is now dead.
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Maybe unverifiable information is kind of his stock and trade.
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Yeah.
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The story about John Wayne came from Munn getting to know Wayne after he played a role,
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a very important role, Man in Telephone Box in the film Branigan.
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He said that John Wayne treated him like a son after that.
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He became his best friend after he played Man in Telephone Box.
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This is amazing.
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This is just amazing.
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It's just how these weird stories fucking fly through the world.
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It's like he posted an Onion article and was like, this is absolutely true.
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The families of people he's written about say that this shit is outrageous and even
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Munn's own family doesn't buy his fabricated backstory.
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It's all a load of shit being made up by someone trying to sell narratives that are self-aggrandizing,
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so it does kind of make sense why Alex would identify with this and accept it unquestioningly.
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That's kind of his bread and butter.
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It is, it calls to him the siren song of bullshit.
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Deesh recognizes deep.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I noticed a trend.
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I noticed a thing that seems to happen a lot, especially in the past.
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Maybe it's because the technology and manpower is a little unsophisticated at this point.
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But Alex pretty constantly ends up hanging up on people while they're still talking.
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So I wanted to play a little clip of that.
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And then Alex also reveals something about his politics.
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They always wanted, thanks for the call.
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Thanks for the call.
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And then you get this side issue over here with Bush diverting people with red herrings
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about how he's against homosexual marriage, total red herring.
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I mean, of course, the majority of the American people are against that.
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And of course, that's a bad thing.
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But Bush isn't going to do anything about it.
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It's all just rhetoric.
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Yeah.
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So just remember when Alex is trying to pretend to be like this enlightened, libertarian type.
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I don't care what you do in your bedroom.
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Right.
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He's against it.
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I don't want you to get married outside of your bedroom.
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Right.
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So just keep that in mind.
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When he tries to pretend to be a little bit more moderate than he actually is in order
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to use that as ammunition in his transphobic narratives and such, no, no, he's just shifted
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his target.
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Yeah.
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What's important to think about whenever it comes to repealing abortion rights is that
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all of the Republicans who, as times have changed and as the popular opinion has changed
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towards a lot of subjects, have come along with.
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As things get moved back, we're going to find out they were not coming along with.
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They were playing along with.
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And that's very fucking different.
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So be ready.
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So speaking of that, I hope we don't have to go all the way back to this, but Alex gets
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a caller who's a real weirdo.
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Let me give you this here.
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You know that thing where people say any law that is republic to the constitution is null
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and void?
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Well, there's more to that.
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In a republic, all law is subject to higher standards, which Blackstone's law commentaries
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identifies as God's law, and any law that stands in conflict with his higher laws is
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null and void.
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A republic preserves the biblical concept that the government is a minister of God,
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upholding his righteous command, punish the evildoer, and encourage the good.
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Sounds great.
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A democracy makes the majority God capable of determining good and evil by popular opinion.
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Well, that's it.
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It's two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner, and a democracy, if 51% get together
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and say, take that man's ranch and give it to us, it happens in a republic, you can't
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do that.
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Thanks for the call.
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Really good points.
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Wild.
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Wait.
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So we're against democracy?
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Yeah.
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And also, Alex, his response to that caller was really good points.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Boo.
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This is from a website called The Matrix Has You, and it's a blog post about how there's
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a secret 13th amendment in the original constitution that has been secretly removed and eliminated
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from history.
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Excuse me, quick question.
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Secret 13th amendment in the original constitution.
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This amendment would have made it so lawyers were barred from serving in government positions.
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It's basically just a piece of sovereign citizen lore.
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There we go.
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This is a reprinting of an article written by a roofer named Alfred Adsek, who published
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a newsletter called The Anti-Sheister, which was mostly about how much he hates lawyers.
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Wow.
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He just hates lawyers.
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Oh, that's, I mean, that's better than where I thought it was going.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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This article was written in 1991, and in the next year, Alfred decided to try to run for
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the Texas Supreme Court on a libertarian ticket.
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Here's a blurb from D Magazine about his candidacy.
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Okay.
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Adsek, who attended college for a year and a half, hopes to run for the Texas Supreme
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Court on the libertarian party ticket, despite the fact that the Texas constitution says
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candidates must be a practicing lawyer or judge with 10 years experience.
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Adesque bases his candidacy on a, quote, personal interpretation of an old law that he said
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allows non-lawyers to run for judicial office in the 10 former Confederate states.
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Quote, of course, if my interpretation is ridiculous, I'll wind up looking like another
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nut on a soapbox, he wrote.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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How did that go?
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He looked like a nut on a soapbox.
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Oh.
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So close.
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Adext was a big sovereign citizen type, and so big, actually, that his name appears in
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a slideshow about sovereign citizens put together by a court administrator in Kansas City.
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Discussing followers of that ideology's potential for violence, it says, quote, one of the most
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notorious, Alfred Adsek, made a statement, quote, we have the right to keep and bear
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arms in order to shoot our own politicians.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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This dude is a major figure in the community of sovereign citizens, and one of his main
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interpretations of that ideology is that people aren't subject to the laws of the country
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or state, but to God's law.
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He believes that this is part of the founding of the United States, and this is the mentality
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that's being expressed and tacitly supported by Alex on this show.
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This is not sound or well-constructed as legal analysis, it's the unfounded ravings of an
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anti-government zealot arguing that the country was established to be a theocracy.
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Simultaneous with the time period, if I recall correctly, everyone was screaming about Sharia
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law.
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Mm.
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Through his website, this guy, Alfred, he also published a magazine called Suspicions,
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which is about as awful as you might think.
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Oh.
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Their volume 11 number 3 issue from 2001 includes an article titled, quote, The Truth About
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Homosexuality, which is about as homophobic as you would imagine.
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Ah, I was hoping it was, like, it's dope.
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Nope.
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It defines homosexuality as a fetish, and calls homosexual relationships a, quote, horrendous
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perverted, septic, and medically dangerous practice.
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The author also claims that, quote, nothing turns gay men on more than the idea that you'd
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be both shocked and disgusted by their behavior.
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This passage actually really stuck out to me in this essay.
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Yeah.
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Quote, Perhaps I am more sensitive to the issue than most, but whenever I hear someone
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describe themselves as openly gay, I automatically visualize them engaged with another man in
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a revolting act of anal intercourse, ruining my appetite.
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That sounds like parody to me, honestly, but it's not.
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If you read the article, it is not.
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So anyway, this is the sort of garbage that this dude who the caller is quoting is publishing.
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So it's great stuff all around.
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Everyone is knocking it out of the park.
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Yep.
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Anyway, I mean, I guess that's sort of secondary inasmuch as, like, this legal analysis that
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we're all living under God's law and the Republic is meant to support that is written by the
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same person who's publishing this tripe.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, this episode, honestly, the April or August 1st is not very good.
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It's mostly phone calls, and a lot of them are really boring and disappointing, so I
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had to try and find something interesting to talk about, and so there we go.
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Yeah.
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We get Alfred Adzick.
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Anyway, we have one last clip here, and it's another caller, and this struck me as really
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weird.
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Actually, if there's to be any justice in the world, Bush is going to have to be tried
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and hanged for the same reason the Japanese were tried and hanged.
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What?
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Because he's guilty of the same crime.
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So until that happens, there will be no justice.
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JQ, JQ, listen, I wish no harm against President Bush, and I can't agree.
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All I want is justice, Alex.
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No, I gotta let you go.
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I can't sit her on the air and say things like that.
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That is...
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Coward.
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So there's two things that I think are really weird about this.
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The first is that there's this caller who is a semi-regular caller.
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It goes by JQ, and, like, that could be a initial or a nickname, but it's suspicious
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because it's also code for the Jewish question, which is something in white nationalist and
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neo-Nazi communities.
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Instead of having to be open about it, they talk about the JQ, you know, and so that to
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me is a little bit of...
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Whenever he's called in, I've tried to keep my, like, ears open for possible dog-whistly
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stuff.
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And so far, it's mostly not, but it is still something that I'm...
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I've never met anybody who goes by that alias, I'll say.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's no good.
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No.
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And second, I believe that in some way, Alex understands the responsibility that he has
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to not engage in directed, violent rhetoric at this point in his career.
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He understands that even bandying about these ideas about Bush deserving to be hung is somewhat
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unhealthy as a way to communicate with the audience.
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Sure.
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And I don't know if that's exactly what's going on, but it's such a far cry from what
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he does in the present day.
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It is very different.
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He ends this call because the guy is saying that Bush should be tried and hanged.
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Sir, we can't...
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Listen, sir, we cannot be saying violent things like that.
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But he's...
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The caller is even...
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He even said at trial.
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Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, and I think it's a 100% reasonable thing to believe that George Bush should be tried
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at the Hague, and then his punishment will be what it deserves.
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Imagine that compared to how he talks about Fauci in the present day.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Who's just a guy.
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It's outrageous.
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Yeah.
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One of the only things that I can think of, and maybe it's me putting a little bit too
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much into this, but it feels like one of the only reasons that behavior would be so different
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is that in the past there was an awareness that this isn't good, I can't do this.
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This is not...
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This isn't appropriate.
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Maybe I'm wrong.
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Maybe.
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But that seems to be...
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Because I think that that's definitely true.
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I think it is irresponsible and wrong and dangerous.
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It's very weird.
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I don't know why he would cut off the call like that.
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Maybe he...
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You know what I'm saying?
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Sure.
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I think that part of it might be that, and then part of it might be a...
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Maybe he knows the caller.
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I mean, maybe on another level he's just better able to control his fucking emotions.
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That's definitely true.
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And so he doesn't go off on a fucking murder rant every time he hears somebody say stuff
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like that.
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That's definitely true too.
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You know?
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I'm not sure.
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Could be a combination of all of it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So we come to the end of this, and I don't know, I thought there's some things worth
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taking a peek at, but I guess Alex is...
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You know, one of the things too that I had to check in on is like, Alex is so mad at
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sports that I had to go through sports headlines from around then I'm like, what, is it the
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World Cup or something, and Alex is mad about internationalism or something?
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Nothing.
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I couldn't find anything.
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FIFA.
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It's gone nuts again.
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So yeah, we'll get back to the present day probably next week.
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But yeah, I just needed to take a little time in the past.
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I like it.
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I like time in the past.
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Yeah, I think there's more meat on bones back then.
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I think there's the opportunity to learn a lot more.
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And less indiscriminate screaming.
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True.
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Yeah.
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So we'll be back, but until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do.
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We have twitter.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on twitter.
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We are on twitter.
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It's at knowledge and score fight and I go to bed Jordan.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I hope you all have a great and dreamy and maybe creamy.
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Also, by the way, someone sent me a picture of Starbucks.
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They have a creamy dreamy thing that they're selling.
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Cease and desist.
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Cease and desist Starbucks.
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Copyright.
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Copyright.
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This is...
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Oh, how dare you.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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We'll be in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
