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N-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-knowledge fight.

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledge fight.

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Knowledge fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledge fight.

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Dan and Jordan.

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Knowledge fight.

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I need money.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first-time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're couple dudes.

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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about the

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young man known as Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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That's as much as I can get fancy on it.

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This is no good.

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The young man as we know, Alex Jones.

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That is a little bit- Trying to riff a little.

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Not quite the intro that could cement your legacy.

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Let's put it that way.

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Yeah, so hey.

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Hey, Jordan.

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Hey, Dan.

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What's up?

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I have a question for you, sir.

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Sir?

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Yeah?

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Question.

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Sure.

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What's your bright spot?

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You go first.

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My bright spot, Dan, is the restart, the new season of Great Prodigy Throwdown.

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We've talked about the Great British Baking Show many times.

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This is basically that with pottery?

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The exact same thing with pottery.

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One of the judges is this guy who is an exceptional and incredible pottery maker.

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He's just amazing at it, but also he's the most overly emotional man.

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He cries like six times an episode.

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You know when Paul Hollywood gives him the handshake and you're like, ooh.

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This dude uses weeping as the handshake.

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He just cries, and normally it would be like disingenuous bullshit, but this guy just,

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he fucking loves pottery, man.

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That's too much.

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It's crazy how much he loves it.

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I may give it a shot, but you're talking me out of it actively with this.

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You've got to watch it.

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It's amazing.

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Do they eat the pottery, then?

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No, they don't.

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Okay.

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So they don't say it's stodgy pottery?

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No, no.

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They don't.

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They don't.

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But the coolest part is in the first season, there was the assistant guy who would do all

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the kiln work.

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He would grab the pottery and then put it into the, you know, he would do the thing.

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And then at the beginning of the pandemic, they couldn't get a co-host.

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So they gave him the co-host spot.

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Right.

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The assistant dude.

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Diamond in the rough.

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Wow.

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This dude's incredible on TV.

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But now who puts things in the kiln?

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They hired a new assistant who happens to be a trans person who is kicking ass.

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It's amazing.

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So they could hire another assistant, but not another co-host.

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Look, TV is expensive.

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Okay.

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It's cheaper to hire from within.

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This is confusing, but I'll give it a shot.

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So hey, my bright spot, Jordan, is that I feel reinvigorated a little bit.

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And this is something that I can sense, I can feel, I had a bunch of little irons in

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the fire that are coming to fruition down the road.

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And I feel alive in the work, which I had been getting a little bit frustrated for a

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little bit.

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I feel a second wind upon me.

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Also there's something for today, and that is that I have a new technocrat drop.

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Oh, we are reinvigorated.

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Yes.

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And so in order to get to that, let's cut this bright spot of mine short so we can say

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hello to some new wonks.

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So first, VV, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, VV.

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Thank you.

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Next, Yorkshire Steven P. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Yorkshire Steven.

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Thank you.

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Next, Emma Rich, not Emma Rick.

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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Emma Rich.

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Thank you.

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Next, crushing on Dan.

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Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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I don't approve of this.

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No more of this.

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No, it can't be.

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And we have three technocrats today to say thank you to in celebration of this new technocrat

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drop.

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Of the new technocrat drop, yes, of course.

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So first, I went on a road trip and all I got was addicted to this podcast.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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You are now a technocrat.

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Next, Mark, but not Mark Richards.

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Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.

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Thank you very much.

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And A-Dan and Dad singing along to the theme song, Dan and Jordan, I'm Sweating.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I have risen above my enemies.

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I might quit tomorrow, actually.

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I'm just going to take a little break, you know, a little breaky for me.

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And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over, but I'm the

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devil.

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I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world

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order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.

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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.

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That's really what I want to do.

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I never want to come back here again.

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns

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on here.

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I'll be better tomorrow.

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Hey, thank you so much.

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I was a little inspired by a theme this time.

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You really told a story.

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Yeah, instead of picking random things that he said, I decided to give it a theme.

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You really gave it, that was a whole paragraph, honestly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it seems like those could all be from the same episode.

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Totally.

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100% could have been every 15 minutes you just cut a different clip.

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That's my favorite part about it.

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It's a pastiche of a ton of different episodes where this behavior just happens to keep popping

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up.

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Yep.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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We're going to be talking about January 13th, 2022.

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We'll figure something out for that later.

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Okay.

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In this episode, of course, this is the day that Stuart Rhodes got popped, Stuart Rhodes

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went down.

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Oh yeah.

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Got taken to the clink.

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Oh yeah.

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Stuart Rhodes, the leader of the Oathkeeper and-

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Political prisoner.

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Dear, dear, dear, dear, dear friend of Alex Jones and the Wars.

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Best buds.

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Guest of Alex's show for 13 years.

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You would say thick as seditionists.

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Yeah.

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He got arrested and apparently an FBI raid or something.

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So the situation is kind of nebulous and unclear on this episode because the news breaks in

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the middle of the episode.

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Oh, that's great.

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And Alex, spoiler alert, gets word of this because Ali Alexander texts him about it.

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Because apparently Ali Alexander has the scoop.

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Okay.

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And Alex thinks he's got an exclusive story and so he's pretty excited about it.

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I think that maybe people expected Alex to have a total freak out in our new technocrat

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drop.

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Right, right, right, right.

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He handles it shockingly well.

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Great.

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Which actually leads me to a theory and we'll get to that theory over the course of this

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episode.

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I have a feeling about, I think he knew this was coming.

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I think he knew when he showed up at work that there was a good chance Stuart was going

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to get arrested that day.

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Yeah, I would imagine Stuart had at least a fair inkling that it was going to happen.

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I think so.

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So we start the show off and Alex has caught wind of some chimera related issues.

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Ooh.

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If I told you that they were going to create part animal, part human clones in pigs, sheep,

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cows, and apes to grow human organs inside of them for transplant, you'd say I was crazy.

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Though it was already happening before I was ever on the air 28 years ago and it's in the

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news today.

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In a first, man receives a heart from a genetically altered pig that was part human.

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New York Times.

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If you're just listening to this show, you might think that the New York Times is reporting

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that that pig was the source of the heart that was transplanted.

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The pig itself was part human because that's how Alex read the headline.

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But why don't you steal my heart?

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Alex is lying and adding things to the headline because that's the only way he can make himself

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sound interesting and pass off the impression that he's always been right about everything.

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The actual headline is quote, in a first, man receives heart from genetically altered

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pig.

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Alex has just decided that he's going to report that the genetically altered part of this

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headline, it means that this pig was part human, but that's just him making stuff up.

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In reality, the genetic alteration that the pig had undergone was a gene editing process

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quote, to remove a sugar in its cells that's responsible for hyper fast organ rejection.

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This is one of the greatest challenges with organ transplanting, the risk of rejections.

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Even though in theory, pig hearts are compatible with our bodies, generally speaking.

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This genetic alteration that removes the particular sugar could have a huge impact in terms of

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solving the gigantic problem of organ shortages that people have when they need transplants.

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Wow.

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Another important thing to keep in mind is that we don't actually know how well this

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is going to turn out just yet.

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The article in the AP about this notes that back in 1984, a child named Baby Fay was the

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recipient of a transplanted baboon heart, and they actually survived for 21 days, but

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then died.

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So we're not far enough out from this to know exactly how well this is going to work.

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Right, right, right.

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This is wild stuff, but it's not at all the kind of chimera shit that Alex talks about

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all the time.

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He believes that there are fish with sad human eyes swimming around in tanks in the basement

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of a lab at the University of Austin.

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That's the level of thing he needs to prove before he can claim any kind of I was actually

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right credibility.

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I'm not going to say that I don't get where Alex is coming from, because when I hear genetically

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modified pig heart put into a man, I see the week before whenever they went temple of doom

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on a giant pig man.

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Kali Ma!

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That's what was going on there.

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I think that's how you get it from a pig man, right?

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I think so.

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I mean, you've got to sterilize your hand first.

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Well, true.

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You can't cut around it.

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The skin is too thick.

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Yeah.

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So I mean, look, we know this from listening to the show and talking about it.

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Alex has been a little bit mad recently.

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No argument for me.

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Well, he should be mad.

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But he has a reason that he's been mad that I think is bullshit.

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I've been very upset the last three weeks and I've tried my best and I've prayed about

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it to not get angry.

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And you know, the biggest thing is the attacks personally on us are so over the top and so

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crazy that as a man, it's almost like I don't even want to address it or talk about it.

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What a set of brass balls this dude has to complain about personal attacks, being that

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his career has essentially been made on and characterized by intense personal attacks

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on people based on lies and misrepresentations.

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I don't care about whatever personal attacks Alex thinks he's dealing with, particularly

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because I listen to his show enough that I know when he says personal attacks, he means

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things like Sandy Hook families suing him because of his personal attacks on them.

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He's a weak baby who can't resist making himself a victim of every story because he thinks

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that somehow proves that he's under attack because he's so right all the time and he's

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dangerous to the system.

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This is just the performance of narcissism and consequences being misinterpreted as integrity.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Would you consider personal attack, like let's think, let's brainstorm some personal attacks.

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Would calling somebody a demon be a personal attack?

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Yeah.

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Would saying that their face is hideous be a personal attack?

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I mean, it's certainly an insult.

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Would arguing that they were perhaps a pedophile cabal member be a personal attack?

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It seems like it.

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Okay.

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Well, I think Alex might have been guilty of his own personal attacks.

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Yeah.

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But I think that a lot of those instances that you're talking about are public figures

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and to some degree, you kind of got to shake that off.

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Sure.

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Like a Hillary Clinton's never going to really be all that concerned with what Alex says

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about him.

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Absolutely not.

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Private citizens, on the other hand.

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Big difference.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And Alex's personal attacks on private citizens are-

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Way worse.

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And they're legion.

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There's so many of them.

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Yes.

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That's true.

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That is true.

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That's what personal attacks he has to deal with.

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Oh yeah.

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Don't care.

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So in this next clip, Alex does something that I think his religion-

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Demands he can't do?

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At least says you shouldn't.

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Okay.

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I signed on for this.

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I wanted to fight evil.

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I wanted to stand up against corruption.

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And so I'm actually extremely blessed and more alive than I've ever been.

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I'm so alive right now.

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It's unbelievable.

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It's very intense to be somewhat aligned with God.

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I'll just say this more than most people.

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I'm very aligned, compared to the average human, with God.

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That doesn't mean I'm perfect or great or some- I mean, I'm just dialed in.

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And it's painful as hell.

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Oh man.

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That sucks.

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That's tough.

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What a cross to bear.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, not literally.

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He's not that aligned with God.

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What a curved cross to bear.

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I feel like the Bible, at least from my memory of it, from growing up in the church, I feel

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like Jesus also isn't particularly thrilled with people who use religion as a performance.

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No.

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And bragging about your connection with God on a radio show is probably something that

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most folks would view as being a little bit distasteful, according to the Bible.

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You know, I remember him talking something about humility and, you know, boy, claiming

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that you are closer to God than most people.

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I'm more aligned to God than most people is a weird thing to say.

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Yeah, it's probably exactly the opposite thing that the Bible would tell you is the sign

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of someone who's closely aligned with God.

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Totally.

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And that you would finally end that sentence with, it hurts, which suggests perhaps maybe

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you're not that closely aligned with Jesus at all.

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You know what else hurts?

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The fires of hell.

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I kind of see a little bit of that going on.

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So it's kind of, one of the verses that this brings to mind is Matthew 6, verse 1, quote,

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beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them,

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for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

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Later in that very same chapter, quote, and when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites,

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for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the street corners that they may be

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seen by others.

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Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

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Yeah, I think we've talked many, many a time about praying on air as being a super blasphemous

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thing to do.

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Well, not blasphemous, but just like, it's something that the Bible is pretty clear about.

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Like you're not going to get anything for this because the presentation of righteousness

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that you're tricking people with, that is your reward.

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You have gotten it already.

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You got whatever you need.

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And your millions don't hurt.

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And God is not going to give you shit.

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Nope.

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So what do you think, Jordan, based on our last couple of years of coverage and wrestling

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with this, what's COVID about?

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Oh boy, oh God.

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What's the plan?

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Every time you ask me this question, I feel like I could come up with 16 different answers.

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What do you think the overarching plan is?

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I think the overarching plan is to replace humans with cyborgs.

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We've talked about that one.

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I think that's the one I'm going to go with.

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That has been a plan at some point.

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That has been a plan at some point.

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I feel like that's the one that's the winner for me.

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Not today.

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Oh shit.

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So you see the folders right here?

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If you're a TV viewer, you see these right here?

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You know what all this is right here?

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This is the declaration of war by a criminal group that has hijacked our nation, the world

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of exactly what they're going to do to you and me and everybody else, how they've got

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the camps built, everything.

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And again, it's been the training wheels we've witnessed with COVID.

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That's the smokescreen for lockdowns and checkpoints and doing what you're told, the military at

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the hospitals.

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And all of this is just to behaviorally get you ready with the ambient background for

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what's about to go down.

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You're being conditioned.

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You're being softened up.

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So it's to soften us up for martial law.

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Oh.

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I thought it was to kill everyone.

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Wait, so we're going to live through this?

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Yeah, I thought everyone was dead already.

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Everyone who's taken the vaccine is dead already, and the COVID's a bioweapon that's mutating

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and is going to kill people.

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This shit doesn't even make sense anymore.

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So what you have to do is understand that this is convoluted and impossible to follow

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because there is no center to what Alex is preaching.

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Forget about the fact that there isn't a real-world nefarious plan he's covering.

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There isn't even a concrete plan that Alex has made up that explains everything that's

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going on.

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He has to jump around from framework to framework depending on what seems useful to him that

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day because he's just making up this story as he goes along.

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His heart and the weight of his career really drive him towards wanting to cover things

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as a plot to get us into FEMA camps, especially him and his buddies.

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But the real good money right now in the conspiracy world is anti-vax extremism, so it's hard

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to know which way to go sometimes.

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He's lost, spinning irreconcilable yarns because he has no idea what to do in an actual emergency.

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He only knows how to respond to fake ones that he's made to freak out his audience with.

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He doesn't know what to do.

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This is ridiculous.

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He's just scrambling.

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Every single word he says is on the brink.

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At any moment I might topple off this knife's edge.

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And depending on some headline he read, I don't know what mood he's in, whether or not

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he's hungover.

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You're all going to fucking die and a pig man's heart is going into your mouth.

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It could be that.

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It could be we're all dead, COVID is a plan that they've had forever to depopulate the

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entire world so the globalists can run around in their new Eden.

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That's one thing that could be the plot.

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Or it could be that all of this has just been an excuse to bring in cops in the hospitals

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and checkpoints in order to soften us up so they can put us in FEMA camps easier.

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Right.

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And I know, I get that, but if they're not going to kill us all or replace us all with

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cyborgs or move into armored redoubts and let everybody else die, we're doing just fine

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on the road to martial law without a globalist cabal.

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You know what I'm saying?

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The regular old folks, they're marching us towards martial law.

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We don't need globalists.

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I want globalists to bring the heat.

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That's what I'm saying.

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You want something a little bit more creative.

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I need weather weapons, not just the jackboot heel of the government on my throat.

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Well, I think my advice for you would just be wait until Alex is in that kind of mood.

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Well, that's good.

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Wait until there's a natural disaster that Alex has to explain away as not being a consequence

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of climate change.

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And then he will bring up weather weapons and then that's the end goal the globalists

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have had all along.

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Right, right, right.

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Right.

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So anyway, Alex has got stacks on stacks, some stackies, if you will.

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The end of the American republic is here, Dems announce a new terrorism plan that outlaws

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all opposition creates one party state.

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Now, if you're a TV viewer, you can see the stacks I have here.

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These giant five inch tall stack right here and others are their admissions on every point.

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The current FBI head, the former deputy director, all of them saying, quote, all Republicans

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are terrorists, all Trump supporters are terrorists, and they announced the new unit, the new nationwide

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group that's going to watch you and going to control you and going to teach you that

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white people are bad.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Uh huh.

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So the end of the American republic, that headline that he's reading, that's just the

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title of the show that he's in the middle of recording.

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That's great.

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That's the page that has the embedded video of, so that's awesome.

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But the, that is kind of what he hits on over and over and over again in the beginning of

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this episode, this idea that this is the end of the republic and they're banning any kind

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of dissent and all this.

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And it's so kind of focused in that direction that that's what leads me to think that he

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knows that Stewart's going to be arrested.

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It seems, it seems almost like it's softening us up for the blow of a, see if they get Stewart,

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they're coming after you.

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I very rarely see thematic coherence in his show.

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And this, this to me felt like, well, this, this, this stinks of preparation.

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So Alex has some other stuff he wants to talk about that is how he's always right.

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Since I mentioned this, I noticed that under a hashtag Alex Jones is right.

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This quote by CS Lewis, oh boy, this is from a screw tape letters doesn't say that on the

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page.

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I know it is.

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I read the book twice, at least twice.

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Technically I read it twice and don't listen to it on book on tape technically, but here

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is CS Lewis quotes, son, he said, you cannot in your present state understand eternity.

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That is what mortals misunderstand.

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They say of some temporal suffering, no future bliss can make up for it.

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Not knowing that heaven once attained will work backwards and turn even the agony into

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glory and of some sinful pleasure, they say, let me have, but this, and I'll take the consequences.

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This is absolutely not from the screw tape letters.

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I was about to say there's a countdown on it not being from the screw tape letters.

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I'm going to guess that's the only CS Lewis book Alex has read or listened to since a

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lot of the others are pretty dense and hard to get through.

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Also, some of the ideas in like mere Christianity or the problem of pain might be challenging

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to digest and I don't think he's up for it.

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I guess he's probably maybe read The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and I would guess

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that he thinks Aslan is a globalist.

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Alex is obviously a fan of the screw tape letters because it's a work of fiction that's

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written as a series of correspondences between two demons.

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Though it was written in 1942, I distinctly recall the book being very popular in the

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evangelical community that I was a part of in my youth and I wouldn't be too surprised

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if it wasn't a similar situation with Alex and him growing up, it was somehow very accessible

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to the church communities.

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Piece of trivia, the teacher in Calvin and Hobbes named after the screw tape letters,

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Wormwood.

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Wormwood.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was named after the constellation.

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No.

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But maybe the demon in the book is.

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Also I think that Alex, I think he read the word son there and that's what made him think

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it was the screw tape letters because he's forgotten that the demons in that are uncle

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and nephew, not father and son.

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The quote that Alex is reading is actually from another of Lewis' novels titled The Great

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Divorce.

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Also, I have absolutely no idea what this has to do with him demonstrating that Alex

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has been right about anything because it's under the hashtag Alex Jones was right.

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But it's kind of an indication of him being incorrect because he insists it's from a different

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book than it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's a little confusing.

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This episode starts out so boring that C.S. Lewis misquotes are where I'm at.

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Yeah, that is a good point.

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That is a good point.

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And on a good day, we skip over him messing up C.S. Lewis.

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Sometimes.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes I will view that as a waste of our time, but today.

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Today you're coming after it.

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Need it sometime.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then business picks the fuck up.

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Okay.

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If you realize that Earth is a prison planet, then you understand everything here.

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So you think you're just here on the planet and this is all it's a little bit more than

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just a test.

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You see, this is a prison.

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This planet is purgatory.

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And if you fail probation, what you're cut off from God, you're headed to the courts

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of heaven and the devil contend because God's like, I'm going to give you one last chance.

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You're now in a body conscious on this planet.

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We'll see what you accept, what you, what you go towards, but I'm going to warn you

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one more time.

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I'm cutting you off and then you're separate from God and that's hell.

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That really freaked me out because it completely shattered what I thought Alex meant by prison

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planet this whole time.

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Yeah.

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I have understood the term like the way I think most saying people would like, it's

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a planet that you're trapped on and maybe there's jail guards ruling over things like

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the globalists, let's say life itself is a prison.

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Yeah.

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I had absolutely no idea that this is what he meant and now that I do, I'm struggling

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to grasp what it means and how it impacts his ideas and his worldview.

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If what he's saying here is to be believed, then part of the prison planet actually involves

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us having been sentenced to being here on this prison planet.

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There's something that proceeds our birth that we did that was bad and required God

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to give us this cosmic probation on earth.

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That's pretty fucked up and I would like to Alex to explain more about this.

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Yeah, I would need a lot more biblical citations for.

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I think, I think one way to look at this is that he could be talking about original sin,

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but I wouldn't think that that's the case because Alex wouldn't go along with the belief

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that all humans are inherently born guilty.

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That would fly in the face of his steadfast belief in individualism, free will, and the

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rejection of guilt by association.

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Like I legitimately have no idea what he's talking about and it's fascinating.

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Like if you die young, does that mean that you got out early for good behavior, which

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is why only the good die young?

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Possibly.

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Who knows?

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I mean Janis Joplin's gone.

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Are near death experiences just meetings with the parole board?

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Like what's happening here?

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There's so many possibilities.

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Is your imaginary friend a snitch?

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It's possible.

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That's what I need to know.

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None of this makes sense and if I had to guess, I really think it was just him freestyling.

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Like that's, that's how I heard it.

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I didn't think that this was actually something he believed.

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It just seemed like a case where he was talking shit and he doesn't realize the intricate

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nonsense that he's implying.

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At least that's what I thought until I heard what he said next.

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So yeah, you little devil worshipers are going to have your victory over Alex Jones.

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Okay.

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Alex Jones, the domestic terrorist, Alex Jones, the evil one, Alex Jones, the bad man, which

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of course I'm not.

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So point your fingers like Tony Montana says and says, say goodnight to the bad man, but

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I'm not the bad man.

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I'm the guy here trying to get you to join me to get out of this together, but alas,

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you're not going to listen.

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And I know you, some of you aren't, so you will pay and not by my hand.

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I just want away from you.

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And God has promised that if we go through this, he will separate us from you.

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And so just as everybody exits California and New York to flee the left, imagine that

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spiritual energetic release of being away from them forever.

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And you pass the point of no return and they're gone.

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They don't exist anymore.

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You have total completion, total peace with God.

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He had to have the test.

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You had free will.

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You did some bad things, not in a past life here.

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We don't know yet.

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I've actually seen it.

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I'm going to tell you at this point, what I'm supposed to know this, but the point is,

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is that what we are here to be tested and to pay for what we've already done.

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We're in prison and I'm like a trustee.

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I'm like, whatever you say, get me the hell out of here.

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And that's the big truth.

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I wish all of you would join me.

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I don't know if you will, but I'm telling you, you're in for a lot of trouble because

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if you think this planet's bad, if you think perfect is always bad, you ain't seen how

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long I have, I got a good look at it.

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We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

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Stay with us.

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Infowars.com.

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Tomorrow's news today.

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I'm not a fucking bullshit artist.

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This guy is an asshole.

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I'm starting to believe, and you know what, I'm thinking this is starting to put everything

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together.

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Okay.

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All right.

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One, all religions are true.

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Okay.

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All real, happening all the time.

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Okay.

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This is a demon who escaped from hell only to wind up on this planet, live in his demonly

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ways, and all he wants is to get off this rock, but he doesn't want to go back to hell.

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Here we are.

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This makes perfect sense.

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I think it's interesting that he describes himself as a trustee.

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It really does feel so fucking weird.

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I don't know what's happening.

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So Alex knows what got us here, why we're on a prison planet.

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I guess.

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But he can't say it on the radio because we're not supposed to know this now.

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We're not supposed to know.

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Now, let me reinterpret that for you in reality.

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Alex got in over his head talking about this and bragging about how he knows cosmic secrets

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and realized, I better stop this because if I say anything concrete, I can't walk it back.

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No, it's going to get real weird forever.

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As long as I keep it vague, I can imply that I have this magical, mystical knowledge, but

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as soon as I say anything specific, people are going to have to hold me to that, and

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it's something really serious to hold you to, that this is cosmic spiritual reality

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that you're aware of.

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It's not something that you could maybe get a little bit wrong.

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It would be pretty concrete, and you don't want to be nailed down like that because you're

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just making shit up.

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Yeah, I'm a little bit frustrated that we can go directly from a hashtag Alex Jones

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was right clip to Alex Jones claiming that he has seen hell and is escaping the purgatory

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of manhood by asking God to remove him with trusty powers.

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Yeah, I mean, hashtag he was right.

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Yeah, well, that's fair.

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If he's right about that, you can give that hashtag all day.

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I don't know how we would ever know.

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That's one of the other great things, fun things about this is it's completely unfalsifiable.

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Yeah, we'll see.

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And unverifiable.

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It depends on whether or not we have near death experiences.

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I say fuck you to Alex for this nonsense presentation of I know what we did in a past life or whatever,

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but I can't say it on the air.

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Go fuck yourself.

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I'm saying that I apologize to Alex for not recognizing he's a demon who escaped from

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hell and is trapped in a human body on our planet.

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I do think that there's an interesting movie in that.

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Someone trapped, escapes from hell, trapped on a prison planet of earth starts a right-wing

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conspiracy podcast.

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It's like the opposite of Constantine.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It'd be great.

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Sad.

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Sad Constantine.

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God, just what the fuck?

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Get out of here.

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I can't believe that you would allow that to happen and let somebody record it.

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And be proud of it.

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And get back on air the next day.

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Amazing.

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Anyway.

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Look, most of what I'm going to say is already all over the news.

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It's known, but it really hit me in the last few weeks for a lot of reasons that are just

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so fantastical to actually be living this.

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Like again, I remember reading globalist plans about social credit scores 20 years ago and

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how they would say, oh, we're going to not let racists have healthcare.

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We're not going to let smokers have healthcare or drinkers or people that eat too much fat.

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And we'll have smartphones that track what everybody does.

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And this will build this utopian.

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Of course, you know, it's a total nightmare.

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It's going to build a hell on earth because the globalists never follow even their own

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rules, much less who set them up as God.

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There's so many angles to this.

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There's so many angles to this.

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You know, I thought about how I'm going to cover this and how I'm going to do this a

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lot, because this is so important.

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And then when I just get here to the point of talking about it, it's like such a big

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deal that talking about it almost lessens it.

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Because this isn't just talk, this isn't just something we're talking about that's about

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to happen.

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It's, oh, we're about to have a hurricane hit or, oh, it's about to be, you know, wintertime

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or, oh, it's about to be summertime.

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This is a end of civilization attack and event, and they're running around saying it openly

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to sell people that are going to buy into it.

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And then when you say, I don't want it, they go, it doesn't exist in the same moment.

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That's a minute and a half of nothing.

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That's killing time.

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Yeah.

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It's just that Alex, whenever he's talking about his weirdo esoteric ideas, doesn't do

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that like, it cheapens it to even talk about it nonsense.

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You would think the afterlife would be the cheapened thing.

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There isn't this kind of same game.

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It's usually with like, ah shit, I don't want to get into the news because I didn't prepare.

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And people, you know, they would expect me to actually know the stories that I'm going

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to get into instead of just making shit up about how I've seen hell.

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This has, this has the hallmark of avoiding doing a book report.

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Like you know, miss, I, listen, I would love to tell you about the adventures of Tom Sawyer

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and Huckleberry Finn.

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Well please do then.

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It's too big of a challenge, honestly.

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It's too bad.

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There's so much going on.

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I've written all of this stuff, but this is a classic.

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It's a hundred years old.

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Who am I to report on a classic?

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There are people who have done doctorates.

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It's interesting really when you think about it, how many behaviors Alex demonstrates on

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air that are very analogous to things that children do.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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There's a, there's a lot of overlap.

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One to one.

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So anyway, instead of getting to the news, Alex talks about a meme that he saw.

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There's a profound video I'll play next hour that I got sent by a good friend of mine this

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morning and he gives such context to three weeks ago, letters through four year requests

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have similar systems in Europe came out in the Netherlands where their leader of their

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parliament is getting orders from Klaus Schwab and it turns out he wrote the forward to the

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Dutch version of it and promotes it.

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So a member of parliament is a few days ago, confronts him and tells the leader of the

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government, Hey, uh, have you heard of the great reset in Klaus Schwab?

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And the guy says, I've never heard of that.

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So Alex has completely bungled this story and gotten all of the details wrong.

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That sounds about right.

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He's doing this intentionally because that's the only way to get this story to fit into

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his predetermined narrative of Klaus Schwab secretly controlling all of the world's politicians.

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So the first error is that this wasn't something that leaked like the beginning of what he's

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talking about there wasn't some kind of a Dutch equivalent of the FOIA system.

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An MP requested some documents and they were provided.

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These were not secret documents.

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They are just invitations that were sent to various Dutch politicians to attend the 51st

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World Economic Forum, which is the organization that was started by Klaus Schwab.

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So that's how he factors into that part of the story.

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Alex has reported this as the leader of the parliament getting orders from Schwab, which

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is a lie.

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And the invitations that were released didn't even include one for the head of the parliament.

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Hey, why would it?

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That body of government in the Netherlands is called the house of representatives and

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they don't really have so much of a parliamentary leader as they have leaders for each of the

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parties that are represented within the house.

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And there are a bunch of them.

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The house does have a group in it with it called the Presidium, which includes the speaker

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and nine deputy speakers.

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So I guess this may be what you'd call a house leader.

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Speaker is currently Vera Bergkamp of the Democrat 66 party, and she wasn't one of the

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recipients of the invitation.

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So this is a little bit murky.

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The invitations went to finance minister Wapke Hoekstra and the former minister of foreign

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trade and development, Sigrid Kaug.

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This is not weird at all, not in the least.

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Also, along with these damning invitations, the government released some correspondences

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between the World Economic Forum and Eric Wiebes, the minister of economic affairs and

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climate policy, regarding a letter of intent to explore a grant from the World Economic

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Forum regarding the Netherlands creating food innovation hubs.

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So none of this comes even close to what Alex is reporting.

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Okay, so it's a deadly secret, terrifying correspondence, because the finance person

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is talking to the finance body about getting finance things.

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Yeah, it's a big dud.

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And that's the first part of what Alex is saying, is something like this new thing that

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came out gives context to this, and it doesn't.

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So the video that Alex is covering, and he's talking about, was posted by a Twitter account

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called Ringo Lennon last July.

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It was actually posted by a number of other accounts, but I chose that one because their

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profile image is the Infowars logo, so I thought it was bonus funny.

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Oh, I was expecting it to be the Beatles.

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Alex said this happened the other day.

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It happened last July.

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Sure!

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That's great.

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It is true that this video shows a young Dutch politician named Gideon van Meerin asking

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Prime Minister Mark Rutti what he thought of Klaus Schwab's book, The Great Reset.

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Rutti says he didn't know the book, and then Gideon produces a letter that Rutti had sent

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Klaus Schwab thanking him for sending him the book.

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Gideon accuses him of lying, and then the Prime Minister explains that he doesn't have

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time to read every book that he gets sent, and it was a polite response to Schwab.

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Right, right.

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Anyway...

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Dude!

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Dude!

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Yeah.

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Dude!

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I'm just trying to be nice!

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This interaction was super popular in the dumb-dumb conspiracy world back in July, and

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I guess Alex just saw it and thinks it's current, or that it has something to do with these

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misrepresented World Economic Forum invitations that came out recently.

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This is just shitty work all around.

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Just nothing.

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Yeah.

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It's worse than nothing.

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Yeah.

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It's a false story.

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That's the stand-up comedians the other day.

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The other day my one-year-old niece, she's six now, the other day, whenever I wrote this

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joke five years ago...

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The part about the Prime Minister of the Netherlands writing the foreword for the Dutch version

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of Schwab's book, I have no idea if that's true.

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It's definitely not true from the video that Alex is citing.

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It would seem odd.

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Yeah.

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So, I don't know.

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Anyway, Alex thinks he's got this scoop, this scoop about the Dutch Parliament that happened

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last year.

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It's incredible footage!

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And nobody's picked it up yet.

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I sent it to Paul Watson a few hours ago, I don't know if he wrote about it, did Paul

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write about it?

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I love Paul to death, but stories I send him, he writes about, are the biggest ones.

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And then he just writes like ten articles a day, and he like half the time won't write

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stuff I send him.

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That's how controlling I am, and I'm in control of jack crap.

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That's kind of how I want to be.

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I mean, I just, people that do stuff for us, work with us, we just kind of let them do

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what they want.

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Because we believe in them already and the work they do, and then just kind of turn them

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loose.

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See, because I believe in free will.

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I'm not like Satan, trying to run every aspect of your life and watching what you're doing

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and see, because I got my own stuff going on.

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Yeah man, he's too busy to be Satan.

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Wait, Satan's not trying to run every aspect of your life, God is!

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Interesting.

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So, I think Paul probably said that he's not going to write an article about it, because

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he probably did last July.

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Yeah, that would make sense.

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And Alex is like, oh my God, this just broke Paul.

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This is huge!

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Paul, get on top of it, we got an exclusive.

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Oh my God, I'm not going to send an email back on this one.

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Oh, Jesus.

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Oh, I forgot, it got lost in my spam.

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Oh no!

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Come on, Alex.

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You're not controlling like Satan, are you?

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Come on, Alex!

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Come on!

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So, Alex was trying to cover this end of the Republic news and how they're banning opposition,

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the Democrats are, and all this, and he kind of whiffed on it, so he's going to try again

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next segment.

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Oh, good.

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So, I'm going to try again next segment.

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This is not me here building suspense.

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Who is the most important?

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How do you go on air with millions, there's a couple million people listening conservatively

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right now.

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That's like 20, 100,000 person football fields conservatively are listening every hour, just

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on talk radio.

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Really?

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Because most talk shows exaggerate their audience.

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I like to just say what we know absolutely is listening, not even counting the internet

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streams or later stuff or Bandai video, you know, that's millions overall each day.

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But right now on talk radio, there's over 2 million people listening to me.

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I don't say like, man, I'm this big guy, I'm up here, I got 2 million people.

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Well, look at these football fields of people, 20 football fields of 100,000 people.

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I'm Alex Jones, I got a big audience, you need to listen to me.

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No, it's the opposite.

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I walk up to this giant audience of the humongous, just endless crowds of people listening and

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watching right now.

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And I don't choke up because the audience is so big.

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I choke up because it's so bad that if I don't come up with words to describe just how damn

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evil this is, I'm lying to you.

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People always, oh, Jones exaggerates.

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Notice you don't hear that anymore.

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That was always the thing for 20 years.

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Oh, he exaggerates the last five, six, seven, you don't hear that anymore, do you?

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No.

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I'm fine to say that he exaggerates and also lies a lot.

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I would argue he lies more.

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This is just more killing time.

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This is so stupid.

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It's amazing.

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Also, it's good that he's not bragging about that audience, that he's absolutely exaggerating.

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So if I understand correctly, just on terrestrial radio, there are millions of people listening

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to him.

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Yeah.

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Including his streaming numbers and his downloads, that means that he conservatively has twice

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the audience of Joe Rogan.

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Oh yeah, yeah, easily.

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So I assume that Joe will be coming on Info Wars to start getting more viewers.

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Yeah, well, I mean, we do know that a couple of years ago, he did cut an ad where he said

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that conservatively 10% of the world-

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Yes.

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He did say that.

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He did say that.

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Yes.

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So yeah, nothing could even come close to his record, his ratings.

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Nope.

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Yeah.

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This is stupid.

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I would guess that maybe, maybe 2 million people live within the range of the stations

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that play Alex's show on the radio, maybe.

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It is possible that we're a lightning strike to knock out every other form of entertainment

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available to people within this radius of space.

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I would be surprised if any, but the fringiest of fringe radio stations carried his show

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anymore.

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Any of those stations that maybe played him on rebroadcast, on the light shift, like a

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coast to coast, like throw him in, it's a weird curiosity.

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I imagine those people have gotten cut the cord.

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It'd just be so funny if the local NPR Chicago affiliate just was like, we're going to play

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an hour of Info Wars every day.

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We just have to.

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Well, it's tomorrow's news today and what are we going to do, play another All Things

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Considered?

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What are we going to do?

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So today we're going to switch things up just a little bit.

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On Sunday we're replacing Garrison Keillor, Alex Jones, no more Lake Wobegon.

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Oh man.

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God, that'd be beautiful.

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Here, the men are really strong.

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Women are above average.

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Wait, the children are above average.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The women are strong, the men are something and the children are funky, whatever.

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So yeah, Alex has got a giant audience and things are bad so he feels a real responsibility.

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So he gets back and I don't, I don't think that he'd actually gets to the news.

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Now I have stacks of incredible news, each article more insane than the next.

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Like the announcement, the Biden administration has been illegally keeping a list of unquote

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vaccinated people and putting in a database that they're now announcing they may come

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door to door and forcibly inject you.

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That's main stream news.

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Just like denying white people monoclonal antibodies is mainstream news.

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Mainstream.

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Mainstream.

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Mainstream.

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So this is yet another story Alex is completely misreporting based on misreporting done by

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other sloppy blogs.

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This is a story that traces back to the Daily Signal, which you can judge as a media outlet

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by the fact that one of their featured news categories listed on the homepage of their

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site is critical race theory.

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That's an indication that these folks really aren't reporters and they're more of shitheads.

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Yeah, that, that type of website is like, oh, we've got, we need to hire somebody for

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just our Jews segment.

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So like, oh no, oh boy.

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We have like seven people on the critical race theory beat.

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All right, whatever.

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Okay.

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So this article was published on January 11th and appears to have been written by two fellows

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at the Edwin Nies III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at the Heritage Foundation,

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which means they're cool.

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They're reporting on an announcement that was made by the pre-trial services agency

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in the District of Columbia, who are going to maintain records on employees that have

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religious exemptions to taking vaccines.

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If you go and you read the posting in the federal registry, it's very clear that this

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is an administrative decision and it only applies to the employees of this agency.

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They have the ability and the authority to do this and there's nothing weird about this

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at all.

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However, the Daily Signal reports this very suspiciously saying, quote, a tiny administrative

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agency in the District of Columbia announced a new policy Tuesday that will likely serve

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as a model for the whole of government push to assemble lists of Americans who object

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on religious grounds to a COVID-19 vaccine.

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From there, the article is pretty dumb and boring, but using this article, other outlets

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start to play a little game of telephone.

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On the 12th, the Citizen Free Press published an article with the headline, quote, Biden

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is quietly creating a database of the unvaccinated, which is a mischaracterization of their already

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dicey source.

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After that, Alex gets his hand on it and, you know, becomes mainstream news, admitting

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that Biden's creating lists of unvaccinated people so he can come to your house and force

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you to take a shot.

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Sounds right.

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This is the pathway that bullshit Alex reports typically goes down.

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There's something that's not really that controversial that's the primary source, which gets covered

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by a group of shitheads who sensationalize it.

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And then that sensationalized article is covered by even more disreputable outlets who slap

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a dishonest headline on it, at which point Alex reads the headline and makes up a story

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about it.

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This is the quality of information you get with someone like Alex.

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His work is just completely meaningless.

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Yeah.

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I feel like the Heritage Foundation is the world's largest per capita maniacal laughter

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factory.

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Like after every evil thing they do, I expect them to be like, mwahaha, mwahaha, they run

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on wahas.

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Like nonstop, like, oh, look at what I've just written.

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So as for the white people can't get monoclonal antibodies, that's actually way messier on

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Alex's part.

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This traces back to a video of a person going to a COVID treatment tent and trying to get

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monoclonal antibodies, but being told that he apparently can't get them, but he could

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if he were black or Hispanic.

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The video is shoddy and it's not very clear and it's definitely missing context, but that's

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what it appears to show.

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I left out one important detail.

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The person in that video trying to get the antibodies is InfoWars employee Harrison Smith.

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Oh, well, there is that.

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Yeah.

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There is that.

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When Alex says that the mainstream media admits that white people can't get monoclonal antibodies,

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he means that Tucker played the video on his show the night before and intentionally edited

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out the part at the end where the healthcare workers tell Harrison that he can't get the

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treatment quote, because of a lack of underlying health conditions.

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Tucker did a painfully racist segment based on this manipulated video that was produced

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by an InfoWars reporter without disclosing that he's an InfoWars reporter.

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He's just a guy, man.

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Just somebody trying to do a junior varsity Project Veritas bit.

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That's fucked up.

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It is.

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That really needs some sort of intervention.

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If Tucker Carlson is playing an InfoWars video on his fucking show, exposing that many

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people to it.

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Without any kind of awareness that this is a reporter for InfoWars.

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That's fucked up.

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It's like Chiron, they're playing the video, the source of it, and it's like at Harrison

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of Texas or whatever his Twitter handle is.

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And then his slug for the way he works is futurenews.news, which I guess is another

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one of the redirect URLs that Alex has to InfoWars or ban.video.

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That's fucked up.

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It is.

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Has anybody-

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It's intentional masking of where you got this information from, because you know it

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would be suspicious.

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Absolutely.

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We got this from an InfoWars reporter.

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Yes.

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It would look really, really bad for Tucker if he was trying to carry off this very racist

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segment and like pointing to InfoWars.

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Oh my God, that is horrific.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I'm sure it's pretty par for the course for Tucker.

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Oh man.

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So some of the other stuff I've covered in this episode is really bad work, like the

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Dutch Parliament thing.

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This isn't bad work.

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This is actively malicious.

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There's no way that Tucker doesn't know that Harrison Smith works at InfoWars.

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There's no way whoever put the piece together didn't know that the nurse explains why he

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can't get the treatment and decided to cut that part out so they can push their racist

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narrative.

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And Alex knows that Tucker is reporting this story based on his employee's bullshit, but

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still rereports it as the mainstream media admitting you can't get antibodies if you're

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white.

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These are all intentional acts and they're designed to elicit a certain reaction in the

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audience.

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And that reaction drifts pretty much all the way into white nationalism.

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These people don't actually think that white people can't get monoclonal antibodies, but

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pretending that they do think that is the most effective way for them to pass off spreading

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their racist messages and they can still hide behind being offended if someone suggests

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that they're racist.

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I mean.

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They're like, oh my God, what?

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I just, that's so fucking, that should be on every news station, right?

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Like Tucker Carlson plays InfoWars clips.

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Yeah.

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It's like nonstop.

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Yeah.

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Tucker Carlson, uh, uh, uh, uh, what would it be?

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White washes or tries to Trojan horse InfoWars content.

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InfoWars video to make his InfoWars point to you.

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That's I mean, that's how does that, how can you get away with that?

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They won't allow Alex Jones's name to be spoken in a positive way.

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Yeah.

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And uh, like they clearly, someone at Fox news knew that absolutely.

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In the Chiron putting Harrison of Texas or whatever InfoWars.com would have been a problem.

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Yup.

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And that's why they do what they do.

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That should be, that's, that should be picked up way bigger.

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That's such a fucking blatant example of everything.

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Yeah.

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Fuck me.

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It shows a lot of intent.

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I want to start a riot that's so bad.

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So Alex gets into what I think is the, the meat.

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The meat.

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That he's been putting off.

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Okay.

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And maybe he's been putting it off because his, uh, his lawyers have told him, don't

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talk about this.

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The Arby's loans.

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Again, I am very blessed and honored to be here with you today.

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And I have had lawyers and other people basically asked me not to get into this and in respect

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to them, I went around them so they wouldn't be involved and reverse engineer, but I already

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knew.

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I guess you'd call that parallel construction if you were in the justice department.

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Okay.

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And I don't need to even tell you what's personally happened to us because I have it all reverse

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engineered right here.

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And these stacks I'm about to cover, but this is really bad news.

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This is like 50 mile an hour winds in Northern California and a big fire coming.

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And in an hour, your town's going to burn down.

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Get what you got.

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Get what you care about.

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Get out, get on the highway and drive south.

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This is not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not happy up here telling you this.

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Okay.

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And believe me, I'm in this with you up to my eyeballs.

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I'm in this, you know, deeper than probably anybody out there other than like Trump who

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they hate.

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But who does understand his real power.

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So, so this ties into all that as well, but, but also why did Trump trigger them so bad?

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I thought you don't like him anymore.

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I guess.

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So, uh, Alex beats around the Bush and is really bad at getting to the point, but his

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point is he has done a parallel construction and figured out that the FBI has a counter

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terrorism investigation open into him and that the army is involved or something.

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Okay.

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It's, it's a wide ranging conspiracy that he's got.

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And I think a lot of it, uh, his support, uh, for this, the evidence is that some of

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his vendors have told him that the FBI has asked them questions about their relationship

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with him.

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Oh yeah.

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I don't know if that's true or not, but Alex has extrapolated that out into, I have a anti

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terrorism investigation.

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There's FBI agents following me everywhere.

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They've tapped all my phones, all this.

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And I think some of this is, like I said, because he knows that Stewart's going to get

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arrested.

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I think if some of it is pre, uh, preparing, right.

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And uh, so he talks a little bit more, a lot of people have been arrested and maybe Alex

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is going to be next.

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So here's where we are.

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Um, what was it?

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Eight months ago, the FBI came and Sam Montoya was not here at the office.

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And then, and then they later SWAT teaming with like 20 something officers at his house

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and got with no criminal record because he was there as a journalist videotaping what

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happened inside the Capitol.

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And then you all know, I guess it was four months ago, Owen Troyer got arrested and indicted

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for attacking the Capitol.

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He never went to the Capitol.

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That's not what he got indicted for.

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Parole violation.

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So yeah, you got these, the, the, this sort of preamble of, yes, Sam Montoya got in trouble

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because he videotaped himself doing plugs for info wars while breaching the Capitol.

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Right.

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And then got in trouble because he had a deferred judgment from the last time he got in trouble

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and then he didn't do his community service.

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So he was in violation of that when he was at the Capitol.

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This is the, I mean, it's all just like, he's trying to build this up as like some kind

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of a, they're targeting us specifically.

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No, there's very clear reasons why people got in trouble that did and other people didn't.

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Right.

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Cause they were filming it.

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Right.

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But, but, but really it's an attack on white people.

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Yes.

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That's true.

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And in the cards they brought to Owen and the cards they brought to Sam, it says FBI

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counter-terrorism and, and, and you know, they, they said it was a counter-terrorism

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investigation and you know, the FBI director said the main terror threats, the American

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people and white people, what it is, imagine black people are the number one terror threat.

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That'd be wrong and not true and terrible, but white people are historically let's deny

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on the monoclonal antibodies while we're at it.

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What an incredible crime they're committing.

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And I mean, I don't want to be enemies with McCabe.

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I don't want to be enemies with Ray.

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I don't want to be enemies of these people.

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They are enemies of this country.

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So this is all just an attempt to foment more feelings in the audience that white people

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are under attack.

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Yep.

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That's about all that's going on here, but I have some great news for Alex.

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He doesn't have to worry about Andrew McCabe because he retired from the FBI in March,

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2018.

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I was going to say, that made me really uncomfortable.

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I was like, wait, did I, did I miss something that big?

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No, it's because he just has a couple of names that he remembers.

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Comey and McCabe.

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Those are the only two.

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Yelling in the past.

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Exactly.

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And Christopher Ray might actually be troubled because he is still head of the FBI, but like

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he should be cool.

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Right?

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Like Trump appointed him.

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He's a Republican.

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He should be cool, man.

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No, he's been overtaken by the deep state because he did something I don't like.

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Right.

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But if he does something I like tomorrow, he's actually secretly working against the

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deep state with Trump, who is still the president.

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Yep.

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It's pretty, I mean, it's clear.

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It's cut and dry.

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Yeah.

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It makes total sense.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Um, so Alex's lawyers have been talking with the January 6th committee apparently, and

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this might be some of the stuff that, uh, Alex's lawyers didn't want him to talk about.

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So, so imagine in, in, in, in my life, I'm sitting here now with my lawyers and people

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talking to the congressional committees that are just a sideshow of what the justice department's

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doing, telling them that I'm a domestic terrorist and they want to charge me with material support

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of terrorists, the Patriot Act, for organizing all those rallies around the country and the

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peaceful ones in DC that led up to January 6th, where they hijacked our event.

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I mean, we're as innocent as the driven snow when it comes to wanting to attack the Capitol.

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Why the hell would I want to screw up us trying to investigate an election peacefully and

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go to prison?

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The January 6th committee can't charge Alex with any crime like that.

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That'd be the responsibility of the Department of Justice, which the committee is not just

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the public face of, regardless of what Alex might think.

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I suspect that he thinks that it is because in his ideal version of politics and the government,

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it would be.

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While Trump was in office, Alex would have loved committees investigating Hillary's emails

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or Benghazi to just summarily arrest her.

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That's what he wants.

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Yeah.

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He wants the use of power to be directed towards his enemies.

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So he imagines that everyone else is behaving the same way when they're not.

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That said, like I said earlier, this is probably what Alex's lawyers don't want him talking

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about.

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And I doubt that it's because it's actually what the committee is saying, but because

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he might be in hotter water than it seemed before.

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Yeah.

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So this is the day, like I said, this is the day that Stuart Rhodes, the news of his arrest

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broke.

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And I want to make a bit of a retraction on some of the things that I've said before on

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the show.

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I've been of the opinion that Alex is kind of grandstanding about his concern about the

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January 6th committee.

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And I don't think he's in actually any trouble, but after reading Stuart's indictment, I want

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to walk that back.

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I think Alex should be super scared right now, but I still haven't seen any evidence

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that he could be arrested for active participation in the very clear conspiracy that Stuart and

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the other oath keepers are charged with.

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It's a very clear conspiracy though, and we know how close Alex and Stuart are and how

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the two of them promoted the January 6th rallies together and they did damage control together

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afterwards.

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I don't believe that the two of them weren't in contact with each other on the 6th.

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I don't believe that at all.

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But I just don't know the nature of that contact or any of the, like how it went.

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Well, yeah.

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I thought Stuart himself was in the clear because I assumed that he would have maintained

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a safe distance from incriminating conversations that are maintained in writing.

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But now that I've seen the evidence in the indictment, I know that's not the case.

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That's insane!

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Stuart is completely fucked.

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You guys were doing a leaderless resistance so you didn't get into this situation!

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That's the point.

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That's the whole idea!

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Yeah, not knowing what evidence exists of contacts between Alex and Stuart makes it

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difficult to gauge how worried Alex should be right now, but on the scale, I think it

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goes from super worried to skipping the border level worried.

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Also, it's hard to tell, but I think that there's a part of me that wonders, like I

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said, if Alex knew ahead of time that Stuart was going to get arrested, you know?

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It felt like, I don't know how to describe this exactly, it didn't feel like Alex learning

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something on the fly.

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No, I mean, but that's normal for these types of high profile stuff, right?

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Like Roger Stone, when he got popped, he knew they were coming.

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He didn't know the day or when, but he was like, I know I'm going to be hit by this eventually.

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Yeah, I would think that in these kinds of cases, it's rarely a flash raid or something.

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And I think that based on what I've heard of Stuart's lawyer, there's probably some

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kind of an indication that they knew ahead of time, and that information could have gotten

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to Alex.

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But like I said, one of the feelings that I get about him knowing is he usually blows

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up about stuff.

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He can't handle incorporating new information on the fly, whereas this is how he learns.

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So we've got some big news that's going to break next segment.

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I'm still going to analyze this and get a little bit more before I announce it, even

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though it looks like it's confirmed, but it fits him with the theme of the show today.

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This is how he's dealing with one of his best friends getting arrested for a conspiracy

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to storm the Capitol.

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Like he's heard behind the scenes from Ali Alexander, it turns out, that Stuart Rhodes

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has been arrested.

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And he's like, well, we've got big news next segment, and it kind of fits in with the entire

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theme of the show.

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That is not how Alex does this.

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It's so weird how well it fits in within the theme of this show.

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This doesn't feel right to me.

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No, this is a scam.

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It just doesn't...

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Like he...

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I can't put it any more succinctly than like he loses his shit.

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And there's a tech problem, he storms off air.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is a guy who doesn't handle bad news well.

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No, and Farbeet, you know, we're in different stratosphere of awareness of a man's mood

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when it comes to having listened to thousands upon thousands of hours, you've got me beat.

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And if somebody can say, honestly, I know that he's acting out of character for him,

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I'm pretty sure that's you.

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Yeah.

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He smells.

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Exactly.

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So he doesn't get to the news right away because he wants to announce that Klaus Schwab needs

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to fight him.

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Sure.

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Criminal corporate interests engage in a criminal, illegal hijacking, hostile takeover of the

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government and our systems.

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And they've stolen all the money, and instead of going to jail for the Ponzi schemes, they

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just plan on poisoning and sterilizing us and getting rid of us.

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Wait, now they're doing that too?

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Like, oh, let's demolish the old garage and put a pool in back here.

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Except I'm not a garage.

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I'm not here to be demolished because you just, oh, I don't like these ugly neighborhoods

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and I don't like those kids, those, you know, here's the thing.

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You want to kill me?

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You're going to have to fight me.

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See how that works, Klaus Schwab?

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You don't just do a little Jedi mind trick over here and convince me to go crawl over

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in a ditch and die.

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You want war?

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You got it.

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And Klaus Schwab's like, join us, you're with us, you see it, we need you.

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You people give me creepy feelings.

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That's it?

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I'd rather get killed or put in prison than hang around with you jerks.

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Hey, you guys give me the wheelies.

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Hey, you guys that I have accused of orchestrating a decades long plan to commit genocide.

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You're a bunch of jerks.

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Bunch of jerks killing everybody.

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What a bunch of weenies.

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Just a bunch of losers.

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Yeah, I had the exact same response that you did too, though.

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It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, they're killing us off now?

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They're adding that in?

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Yeah.

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Huh.

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Weird.

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Almost like nothing means anything.

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Pretty much.

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Anyway, Alex finally does get the go ahead to announce that Stuart has been arrested.

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And here we go.

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It's beginning.

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Okay, this just broke 20 minutes ago from phone calls we got.

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Now it's in the New York Times.

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So we're going to go ahead and go with it.

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Doesn't mean it's happened for sure, but 99% chance it has.

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And we have the lawyer that was on the phone with Stuart Rose when he got raided by the

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FBI reportedly joining us next hour.

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And Ollie Alexander as well, and then attorney Norm Pattis was also here on the same subject

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of the takeover of America via the National Security State Patriot Act, which we always

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knew would be used against the American people.

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It is the Patriot Act.

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Domestic terrorism is to attack Donald Trump's base.

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That's why they rhyme.

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Domestic terrorism, Donald Trump, DT.

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What?

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That's not rhyming.

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I don't know what's going on anymore.

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Don't ever say that to me again.

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But what a cast of losers.

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Yeah, I know.

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Norm Pattis and Ollie Alexander coming up.

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We don't really have any exposure to Stuart's lawyer, Jonathan Moseley, so who knows, maybe

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he's a great guy.

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Could be.

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He's not.

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But the other two, whoa, whoa.

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Top luminaries in their field.

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You hate to hear it when those are the guests that are coming up.

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No, no, no, no.

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You want the best of the best.

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And when it comes to being a shithead and being a shithead lawyer, you don't get better.

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Sure.

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So I will say that I think that Alex is pretty good at coming up with a narrative like that.

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So he's learned that Stuart Rhodes has been arrested, and he gets defensive about other

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people thinking that Stuart was a fed.

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And that was what a lot of people in the fringe communities were saying, because he hadn't

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been arrested.

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Because he hadn't been arrested.

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And so they're like, well, he must be a fed.

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He's a snitch.

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Right.

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He's the one who got everybody.

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And so Alex focuses on that, and then comes up with another story.

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Okay.

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And again, I've never said Stuart Rhodes was a fed.

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I've known Stuart Rhodes 13, 14 years.

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Clearly feds could infiltrate a big group like Oath Keepers, and he would get pissed

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if you said that.

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But I mean, that goes on.

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So that's where we had some friction.

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But I've never said that Stuart did that.

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I was wondering why he hadn't been arrested, but it doesn't matter.

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He's a distraction from Ray Apps, folks.

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He's been arrested because it came out in Congress, and Ted Cruz talked about it.

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And now the head of the January 6th committee, the head lawyer, was in Twitter.

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In fact, Owen had it last night, asked the crew for it, and then they said Owen's got

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it, and I never got it.

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Can I have it?

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The head of the Jan 6th committee lawyer said, oh, Ray Apps didn't go in the building.

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Well, why is Owen Schroyer charged then?

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I can clear that up.

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Yup.

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Owen got arrested because he was, by being there, he was in violation of a deferred

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judgment from a previous case because Owen failed to complete his community service.

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He violated an agreement that he entered into willingly to avoid consequences for his past

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actions, and that's why he's in trouble.

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Do your fucking community service, you asshole!

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You'd be nice.

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So this Ray Apps conspiracy is the new preoccupation of the January 6th denialists, and it essentially

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just boils down to this.

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Ray Apps was at the Capitol on January 6th, and on the 8th, the FBI released an image

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of him as somebody that they were looking for information on.

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Then he didn't get arrested, and so the crack sleuths in Alex's community have put two and

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two together to prove that he's a fed, and he was the one secretly running the operation.

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This is stupid, and if this logic holds, then I guess Jay Johnston was also there under

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FBI deep cover.

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Oh my god.

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As far as I know, he hasn't been arrested.

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They got him for Bob's Burgers!

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So this narrative around this keeps shifting because people like Alex are just throwing

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out whatever thin bullshit they can, hoping to buy some time and create distraction from

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the reality that his friends and close associates planned to and followed through on, bringing

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caches of weapons to the Capitol that day in an explicitly premeditated plan to stop

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the certification of the election results.

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First it was a nebulous unnamed Antifa and BLM folks who were dressed like Trump supporters

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who must have done it.

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Then it was clearly John Sullivan who was the ringleader, and now we've gone through

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a couple more iterations of this cycle, and Ray Apps is the new sacrificial lamb for the

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right-wing media.

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They're hoping it'll stick, and it'll just be, we'll figure out another guy down the

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road.

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Man, reading that indictment, having clear text messages from Stuart Rhodes like, hey,

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I love that you're bringing weapons to overthrow the government, friends.

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We will have a quick response force in place.

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This is a great opportunity to overthrow the government, everybody I'm in a conspiracy

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with.

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Hey, on the way to the Capitol from Texas, I'm gonna buy tens of thousands of dollars

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worth of weapons and accessories.

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Oh my God, what a fucking bad criminal.

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Yeah, it's very sloppy.

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That's bad.

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So without any actual evidence, this guy, Ray Apps, has been blamed for running a false

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flag coup on the Capitol by people like Charlie Kirk, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz,

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and Ted Cruz even got into the act after he was roundly humiliated by Tucker Carlson for

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not being in line enough with the extremist wing of the party.

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As it turns out, this is really simple, and the explanation for the removal of Apps' picture

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from the persons of interest list is that they just no longer had any questions they

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needed answers about from him, since the investigation had progressed and they'd got the information

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they needed.

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There are a bunch of other examples of people whose images have been removed, and not all

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of them are because they were arrested.

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This isn't a unique case.

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Apps is absolutely not a fed, and he wasn't running any false flag.

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He was, however, previously the head of the Arizona branch of the Oath Keepers.

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He was interviewed by the January 6th committee, and this baby should be put to bed, but it

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probably won't be anytime soon.

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Because their high-profile media figures are really closely connected with people who are

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charged with a seditious conspiracy, there will be targeted campaigns against anyone,

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even former leaders of Stewart's own organization, if it can help build a narrative where folks

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like Stewart and Alex are really the victims in this whole thing.

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It's sad and honestly really dangerous.

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Like I can imagine that Ray isn't feeling very safe right now.

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No.

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Seeing as a not insignificant number of heavily armed lunatics think he's responsible for

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setting a trap that took down the Patriot leadership, and thus the country.

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Yeah.

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Now look, I think that Ray Epps is probably not a great dude.

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I would assume not.

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But this is bullshit.

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Yeah.

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And the way that he's being put up, and people in the Congress are trying to use this as

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a smokescreen to excuse the behavior of people who are right-wing extremists on the 6th.

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He's a private citizen.

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Right.

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This is unacceptable.

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Well, what you're forgetting is that this whole thing was also funded by billionaires,

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and there are members of Congress in the conspiracy as well.

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So I think we're going to find that you can put a lot of money towards fucking up a private

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citizen's life with no consequences for it.

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It's just...

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Yep.

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I mean, look, I never want to be in the position of defending a former Oathkeeper who was part

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of the events of the 6th, for sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But this kind of behavior is so dangerous.

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Well, I mean, it's not so much defending him as refusing to allow a scapegoat to be put

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in place.

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You know?

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Like, fuck you, you don't get to get away from this one, even though you have several

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billion dollars.

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So anyway, Stewart's not a fad.

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I just always found it hard to believe that Stewart was a fad.

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But Ray Epps definitely has, I mean, he's definitely being protected.

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And so Stewart's been arrested because the Ray Epps heat got too hot.

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If you want my analysis, that's what's going on.

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So yeah, this is essentially the narrative that Alex is going to run with, and that is

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that, you know, Ted Cruz got out and he started questioning about Ray Epps, what's going on

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with this guy?

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And then the heat got too hot, so they had to take Stewart Rhodes.

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Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

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I mean, it probably plays with the audience, but it's very stupid.

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That's bad.

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So Alex makes a little bit of a tactical error, and that is that he starts saying a bunch

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of things that really, really make Stewart sound guilty.

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Oh, that's not good.

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Like this.

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I interrogated Stewart on air months and months ago about stuff, and he got so pissed at me,

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it was a tape show.

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I just decided most shows aren't taped like nine to 5%, but we taped the show on Saturday.

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He got so mad at me even asking questions that I just didn't even air it because it

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made him look guilty as hell.

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And I was just like, wow, why are you flipping out?

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Probably because he's guilty.

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I don't think Stewart's a fed, but I'm like trying to understand instead of asking real

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questions here, and he flipped out on me and was like, I'll kick this person's ass.

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I'll kick that person's ass, and I'm like, listen, dude, boy, I hope that that tape doesn't

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get subpoenaed.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Just revealing the existence of that is a smart move.

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A tape where Stewart completely freaks out on Alex about questions about the six.

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God damn it.

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This is why the globalists are such shit is because they're the imaginary enemies of people

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who are like fucking stupid.

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This is terrible.

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Yeah.

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I think that Alex should have known better than to grill Stewart Rhodes.

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Why?

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Because it's a difficult question to this guy after the sixth.

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I don't know why he got mad when I asked him direct pointed questions about his involvement

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in the sixth.

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Well, I think that the question, obviously he never put this out, so I don't know what

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he said in it, but I think that the presentation that he's trying to make is that the pointed

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questions and the grilling were about him being a fed.

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But I also think that any of those questions would touch on things that would be really

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tough for Stewart to answer.

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Prove you're not a fed.

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Well, I tried to overthrow the country.

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Ooh, that's not good.

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I don't want that on tape.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to have to ask you not to air this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Please don't air this.

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So look-

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I can't stop loving how innocent it looks for you to say, also I have a tape where he

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answered questions that makes him look very guilty that I didn't show you.

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And I'm not going to show you now because I don't want you to think he's guilty, which

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he definitely isn't, and that's why I can't show you this information.

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It probably, you know, like this tape, it's probably Ray Epps' fault.

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I mean, think about the level of conspiracy he would make if somebody else was like, oh,

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we've got a tape of Hillary Clinton looking real guilty describing how she wasn't on Epstein's

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Island.

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And then she flipped out.

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And then we did show it and we got rid of it.

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She freaked out.

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She was so mad.

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Threatening to kick people's asses.

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Beating the shit out of people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Cool.

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Nothing suspicious there.

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Yeah, I feel like Alex, if ever I were in trouble, I would not want him defending me.

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I would not want him doing PR for me because he's going to end up accidentally or maybe

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even intentionally.

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Listen, I can't reveal your source on this.

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It's Donald Trump Jr.

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But I can't reveal anything about him.

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Holy shit, this is bad.

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Wild.

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So anyway, he also says some other stuff that sounds a little iffy.

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There were a bunch of housekeepers there that day that thought they were under secret command

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of Trump for the Q stuff that went in the building.

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And I don't think Stewart was part of that.

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You can easily have people join a huge group like that with tens of thousands of members

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and infiltrate it.

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So I just didn't get why he didn't just say that was wrong and say it was improper.

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He was like, well, it's a good thing.

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This government's bad.

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Remember up front, he was saying that I'm like, oh, no, it's not a good thing.

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At this point, Alex should be putting the pieces together about this obvious puzzle.

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He hasn't read the indictment, so he hasn't seen the concrete evidence of Stewart's direct

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involvement with these allegedly delusional oath keepers who thought they were under the

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orders of Trump.

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I'll accept that he's still trying to spin this as best as he can.

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But that part about how Stewart wasn't denouncing the oath keepers who went in, that makes a

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whole lot more sense now in hindsight.

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He was hanging strong with them because he knew that they had concrete dirt on him.

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He would get arrested for a seditious conspiracy if they put this dirt out, so he wasn't about

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to hang them out to dry and risk them talking.

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The stuff that Alex is saying, it fits incredibly perfectly with the set of facts where Stewart

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was running a group of people who were planning to disrupt the certification of the election

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results by storming the Capitol if it came to that.

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That's why he blew up at Alex when he was questioned about things on that show.

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That's why he didn't turn on the arrested oath keepers.

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Alex is making a compelling circumstantial case that Stewart is guilty as hell.

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This is not good.

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You know, I asked him to say that it was a bad idea, but he wouldn't.

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He said that he loved it, and it was a great idea, and that he wished that he was the one

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who led it, and he was the one who, wait, what, oh, shit.

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So this seems really sloppy and shit, but I still think this fits into the notion that

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Alex knew in advance this is going to happen.

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Oh, totally.

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Because I don't think he would prepare that well.

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No.

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This is still the kind of thing you'd expect him to be rambling about.

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And look, hey, man, this is still just cover for Epps.

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Sure.

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I think he's a true believer that's been set up this whole time.

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If I had to go with my gut, and that's why he's been arrested, not Ray Epps.

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So we should support Stewart and worry about Stewart and really be concerned here, because

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Stewart's a very smart guy, but he's also extremely romantic.

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He's a romantic.

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And for folks that don't know, they're new listeners, maybe, or public school educated

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like myself, a romantic doesn't just mean like men and women kissing each other.

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Romantics are into romantic stories and fighting and sacrificing yourself.

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I'm a romantic, but I'm also a realist romantic.

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In that I'm not going to let my romance with humanity and my romance with being a hero

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not let me get my full potential, I'm not going to be played.

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And I warned Stewart over and over again that he was infiltrated years ago.

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I love the idea that Alex is prefacing that with like, if there's any new listeners, let

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me explain what romantic means.

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Like this is something that we go over a lot.

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Well, this is lore.

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Yeah.

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This is from our earlier episodes on Infowars when I explained what a romantic was.

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Yeah.

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I don't expect new listeners to catch up.

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This is so dumb, man.

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Like I'm not sure how the facts of this case, like as laid out in the indictment, could

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possibly be a cover for Ray Epps.

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Like Alex didn't even know that Ray Epps existed until the right wing social media decided

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to blame him recently.

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Yep.

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Just a little while back, he came into everyone's mind.

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Also, I get the sense that Alex is maybe making some of the same calculations that Stewart

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did when Stewart didn't abandon the arrested Oath Keepers.

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Stewart's been coming on Infowars since 2009, and it's about 13 years of the two of them

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being associates.

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And I wouldn't be too surprised if Alex didn't want to run the risk of Stewart telling some

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tales about him.

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Maybe about Alex's finances, or the way the show runs, or how little he cares about the

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audience and the things that he says.

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It kind of feels like there's something, because if you're in the clear, now is exactly the

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right time to pretend you've never met Stewart Rhodes.

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And anybody who says that you are friends with him, they're floating a raft of dirty

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lies around.

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It's the easiest thing to do right now.

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Stewart is fucked.

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Half of all of Alex's audience already thinks he's a fed, and this Ray Epps nonsense might

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be playing on the social media right now, but it's not going to work for the long term.

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Overcommitting to this is a bad idea.

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Just saying, fuck Stewart Rhodes, fine, no consequences.

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The thing is, when he says his lawyers say, they're looking into me for material support

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for terrorism, it's hard not to think, maybe he gave Stewart some money, and then we're

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in real trouble there.

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Even if he didn't know what it was for, if Stewart took money from him, and then went

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and bought guns and put them in that cash, that's hard to, ugh.

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Yeah, I would wonder about that.

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I think there's an outside possibility that's correct, but also I would wonder if Alex is

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giving him money money.

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No, no, no, that's what I'm saying.

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I'm saying that that's such a thing that you wouldn't even, you know?

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Well, I mean, definitely Alex allowed Stewart to have air time to spread conspiracy theories.

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Air time is worth money.

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Was he recruiting using, you know, all of that stuff?

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That's all I'm saying.

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I mean, knowing what we know now about Stewart's actions that day, the notion that Alex allowed

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him to come on air and create a false version of what happened in order to cast aspersions

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on his own guilt.

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Provide material support?

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I don't know if it rises to the standard of evidence needed for that, but it's an interesting

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question.

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And I'm not throwing any conspiracies out there, and I'm not saying that it did happen.

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I'm just saying that once Stewart got really popped for this, that's a different story

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now.

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I wonder, it kind of feels to me less like Alex is worried about criminal exposure by

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way of Stewart, and more about, like, he knows a lot.

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Yeah.

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He knows a lot about my shit.

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And then also, like, I can't imagine if you're Stewart Rhodes being like, let's loop Alex

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in on this.

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Oh boy.

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Like, we have this military unit that we're gonna have weapons caches and stuff, like,

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let's tell the guy who can't keep his goddamn mouth shut about anything that is on air for

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hours a day.

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Yeah.

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Let's go ahead and tell him, let's loop him in on comms.

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I highly doubt that.

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Yeah, but you know, thinking back to that time, there was quite a bit of chatter from

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him and it's the same stuff that it always was, but like, you know, eh, whatever.

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Who cares?

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I think it would be-

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We'll see what happens.

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I think it would be the world's worst idea to-

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It would be a terrible idea.

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To tell Alex.

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But look, man, Stewart's a romantic.

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That's true.

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Puts comms in caches.

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And I think Alex is too.

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Because God is my witness, and I've done this a few times, people have seen it on air, but

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this time I didn't do it.

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I intended to come on this show today and say, I don't think Stewart Rhodes is fed.

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I think he's been misguided, I'm just really worried about Stewart Rhodes.

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I woke up at like three in the morning last night, I had a dream about Stewart Rhodes

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last night.

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God is my witness before God, all my children.

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And I had a dream about Stewart where he, and I, you know, these dreams were all foggy,

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but he was key and I wanted to love him and he wasn't bad and I'd been wrong even though

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I hadn't set it on air.

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What?

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What is happening?

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And I had to reach out to Stewart and get him on air, but Stewart's a jerk and arrogant.

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He'll think you're just manipulating him and he's paranoid, but that I needed to reach

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out to Stewart.

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And here we are.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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I had a dream about Stewart Rhodes the night before and he meant to start the show talking

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about that.

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So amazing.

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He's just, I think he might be psychic.

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Yeah, probably.

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I think he's a demon from hell who's wearing the skin of a human being.

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He's so psychic after the fact.

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It's weird how psychic he is after the fact.

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Really, really good at that.

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It's crazy.

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Yeah.

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So, Ali Alexander comes on and we do learn over the course of their conversation that

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he is the one who got in touch with Alex and told him about this, but Ali's dumb.

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To talk lightly about Stewart Rhodes' arrest, I wanted you to be the one that broke the

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news.

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One of my attorneys, I have four, was on the phone with Stewart Rhodes while he was getting

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arrested on a case not related to mine.

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And look, there's a lot of questions that I think that Stewart Rhodes needs to answer.

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Look, real quick, that means that they have the same lawyer.

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That means that Ali Alexander and Stewart Rhodes both have Jonathan Mosley as their

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lawyer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Interesting.

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Before the American public.

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Before the American is presumed innocent, okay, absolutely presumed innocent.

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And my question for the FBI is, is this raid from pressure from congressional Democrats

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to elaborate on conspiracy charges to paint the entire Republican Party as a conspiratorial,

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seditious, you know, a paramilitary, which we're absolutely not.

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Ali Alexander seems to not understand that any searching that went on after or along

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with Stewart's arrest wasn't a fishing expedition.

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They already had all the evidence that was presented in the indictment, which is plenty

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to charge him with and arrest him.

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If I had to guess, there may have been a quick search or a raid done because one of the charges

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Stewart is looking at is for destruction of evidence.

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So it could have been helpful to make sure he doesn't have the opportunity to destroy

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anything else.

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Yeah, that would make sense.

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I know it sucks for these guys that the facts that are coming out and the basis for the

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investigations actually being revealed, it has the effect of completely deflating the

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fan fiction they've been selling their audience this whole time about the 6th.

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I know that sucks.

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That's tough.

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And it's probably even more so for Ali, considering that he's deeply involved in planning the

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rally at the Capitol and the fact that most of the real hardcore right-wing folk probably

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think he's a fed or a snitch because he agreed to testify before the January 6th committee.

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It's got to suck for him.

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But the reality here is that Stewart's arrest and the information that was made public because

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of it completely demolishes any of the nonsense arguments Alex and Ali have made about the

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rally storming at the Capitol being an orchestrated false flag by Antifa and the Deep State.

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Continuing to pursue the conspiratorial narrative is going to force people like Alex to come

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up with ever more complicated explanations for the new information that comes out, demonstrating

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that right-wing extremists planned, organized, and carried out the events of January 6th

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for the purposes of disrupting the transfer of power.

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Of course, they can't really do the opposite either because that would require them admitting

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that they were either knowingly or unknowingly part of that plan, which would tend to look

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bad and tend to put them in a corner.

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Wouldn't be good.

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I would guess that Alex is going to soon do the move where he transitions into a new narrative

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where he says something like, we know who staged the 6th, but we need to move on from

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that because the midterms are coming up and the globalists are going to steal them.

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Something like that.

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We're going to focus on something else.

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We're going to be like, hey, let's not relitigate the 6th.

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Yeah.

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I imagine Tucker's documentary is not going to be updated.

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I doubt they're going to be like, hey, listen, we're going to have to issue corrections on

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this.

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That's why we have got a laundry list of things we need to.

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It seems like we were wrong about a lot of stuff and it might have been on purpose.

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That might conveniently just be taken off.

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They might talk about it.

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Not more.

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Nope.

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So look, man, Stuart's a romantic.

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So, you know, while there's a temptation on some of the right to just throw Stuart Rhodes,

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you know, down the barrel, and then there's a temptation to act as a reaction.

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My gut tells me Stuart's innocent.

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It always has.

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I think he's a romantic.

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We know Ray Ebsen's a guy.

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I've read those texts, man.

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Yeah, I mean, and that's another good question, is why is the Jay Ebsen committee so hell-bent

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on clearing Ray Ebsen's name when he's the only one on camera caught violating the law?

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I can sort this out for Ali.

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The reason that the January 6th committee is tweeting out that they interviewed Ray

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Ebsen and that he isn't a fed is because you and all your shithead friends are insisting

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that he is and that he caused January 6th.

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That would make sense.

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They're investigating the events of that day and Ebsen is someone who was there and is

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someone who was on tape saying inciting things the night before, so he was a person that

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they thought they might want to talk to.

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Maybe he had some information that would be helpful.

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They interviewed him and it turns out he didn't, so they put out a statement that they interviewed

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him and that the allegations about him aren't true.

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This is a great example of a right-wing media rhetorical trap.

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The January 6th committee did this and they're being criticized for it.

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Why are they so eager to clear this guy's name?

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It's suspicious.

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However, if they didn't interview Ebs, Ali would just be saying, why do they refuse to

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interview Ebs?

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If they interviewed him and then they didn't put out a statement, Ali would say, why won't

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they reveal what they learned in the interview?

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This must be a cover-up.

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There isn't any actual interest in the things that are happening in reality.

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There's a predetermined narrative and facts and events have to be presented to the audience

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through the filter of that narrative.

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Instances like this question Ali is asking are telltale signs of people who aren't operating

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from a sincere position who you should never engage with.

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You're never going to convince them of anything because they don't care about reality.

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Also, what Ali is saying about Ebs being the only person on camera doing anything illegal

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is absolutely a lie.

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There are a ton of people who are on camera assaulting police officers, breaking capital

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windows and other property.

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What he's saying is just absurd.

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Ray Ebs also didn't do anything illegal on camera.

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There's a 45-second video that has made the rounds all over social media where he's talking

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to another guy the night before and he says, quote, I don't even like to say it because

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I'll be arrested.

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I'll say it.

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We need to go into the Capitol.

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If Ali thinks it's illegal to say that, he has a poor grasp on free speech and if that

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standard is universally applied, everyone he knows would be in jail.

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Alex would have been in jail years ago.

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Oh yeah.

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The reason that Alex can get away with the kind of clear incitement that he does is because

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free speech rules in this country are super permissive by design and nothing that Ebs

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did in that video is illegal at all.

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It's dumb and it's an indication that he's probably a shithead, but if Ali thinks it's

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proof of a crime, he needs to go take a high school level civics class.

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I wonder how Alex is going to feel about his gut prediction after he reads the indictment.

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That gut prediction that Stewart's innocent and all that?

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That's not going to be a good one.

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Actually, I don't really care because I know he's never going to read it and he's just

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going to keep pretending that there's no evidence against Stewart and he got jammed up to cover

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up for Ebs.

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It's all bullshit.

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So Ali has been on and now Alex gets Jonathan Mosley, Stewart's lawyer, and apparently Ali's

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lawyer as well on, and it turns out like, I don't know if he understands free speech

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either.

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I'm going to ask the question again.

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Why isn't Ray Ebs arrested?

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There's no good reason for it.

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There's like a, you know, even if he, even if he was just being a dumb, you know, a flash

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the way a student writes, uh, wondered, um, he's still on tape telling people to go into

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the Capitol.

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So there's no, if there's no one else who would be the leader of the statistic conspiracy

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but him.

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Um, so, um, no one else, there's no, there is no good, I cannot imagine innocent explanation

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for him not being, and it was, I don't want to wish anybody to get arrested, but you know,

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please understand me.

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But in terms of the government's behavior, it just stinks to high heaven.

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It doesn't.

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It doesn't stink to high heaven.

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Nope.

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Nothing that is in that tape of Ray Ebs' is illegal.

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None of it is proof that he is a leader of a seditious conspiracy, but the actions taken

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by Stewart as illustrated by the evidence of that indictment, uh, show a different picture

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altogether.

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I just can't think of anybody else who could have led any sort of conspiracy beyond this

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person who the right wing has just decided is a great patsy.

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It's crazy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's, it's under becoming for this lawyer to be acting like this too.

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You would need some sort of massive cache of text messages or evidence in order for

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me to believe that somebody else could have led this, especially somebody's client for

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the incredibly talented Jonathan Mosley.

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Maybe something that's like 48 pages long or so.

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Quite a long one.

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So, uh, this, this lawyer, uh, I, I got, um, you know how Alex says he gets a bad vibes

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from the globalists?

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I get bad vibes from this dude.

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Creepy feelings.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, I don't care because most of his defense is just like, everything is a lie.

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Yeah, they did it.

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I didn't do it.

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He didn't do it.

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Everybody's fine.

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It's just empty proclamations of everything is a lie and I can prove it and then no proof

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presented at all.

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Well, it's not the court.

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Right.

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I'm not going to spend much time talking about him because his interview is actually short

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and boring.

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Uh, but we, we do, we do have to recognize something very important.

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And I don't think anybody can deny that Biden and the great reset and the COVID BS and all

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of this is bad.

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I mean, my God, Joe Rogan's was a mainline liberal and the system got so bad.

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He woke up same thing with Tucker Carlson.

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Join Joe Rogan, join Alex Jones, join Tucker Carlson, join everybody else that just wants

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to have a good future for our children.

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I think you could make something of an argument that Joe Rogan had a sort of Democrat vibe

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earlier in his career.

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You know, I think you probably could.

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Maybe you could say that he was a mainline Democrat who took copious amounts of drugs.

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Um, maybe Tucker.

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No, no, no.

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He was a professional piece of shit, right wing asshole.

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He, he was on a hardball as the Republican, as the Republican who wore a bow tie.

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He was on hardball as William F. Buckley Jr's fucking mini me.

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Yeah.

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He, he, uh, staunchly defended the Bush administration, war on terror and the, the war in Iraq and

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yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

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Alex.

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I think it's fun to say like Tucker was just a regular liberal and then, uh, then he got

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brought over.

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I think Alex actually can defend that in his mind because he thinks that neo cons are liberal.

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Right.

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Right.

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So that I think he could defend, but it's total horseshit.

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Everybody who didn't try and overthrow the Capitol is a liberal in his world.

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Well, I mean to him, based on his extreme right wing politics, everybody's to the left

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of him relative to him.

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Tucker even in like 2004 was a liberal.

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I mean, you could probably argue now he's, I don't know.

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They're pretty similar now.

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Yeah, that's true.

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So any, anyway, norm comes in nor Pattis.

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I think the last time I saw him, he had a gigantic, ridiculous beard, but he's shaved

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and, uh, but you know what else?

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Like he's getting angry.

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I think that there's a, I don't think a standup career is going that well.

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I think that there is a trend with, with norm that I find upsetting and that is every time

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I hear him, he's angrier.

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I watched last night for the first time Merrick Garland's speech of January 5th or six, I

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thought he was unhinged deal when he wasn't set for the United States Supreme court and

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thought they had at least ought to have voted up or down on him.

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But when I watched him quaking in his loafers in rage, I thought there's something wrong

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with the man and there's something wrong with the country.

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We also said five police died here.

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Well, you know, but here's what he said.

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What he said about the law.

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What he said about the law is whether if you contributed knowingly or unknowingly to events

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that led to violence, you are a co-conspirator.

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That's simply wrong.

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You are not a co-conspirator in a crime unless you engage self-consciously deliberately for

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unlawful purpose with another and agree with another.

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So Merrick Garland didn't say that five officers died on January 6th.

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He said, quote, five officers who responded selflessly to the attack on January 6th have

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since lost their lives.

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Alex is lying about what Garland said in order to be able to call him a liar and norm isn't

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really doing much better.

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Merrick Garland said nothing even close to what Norm is claiming in the speech that Norm

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is claiming to have watched.

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This is just entirely made up, as is the characterization of Garland is quaking in his loafers in rage.

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I can't find another instance of Garland saying that, like in another speech, if someone else

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has a citation, go for it.

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But Norm, if he wants to clarify where this came from, I, I, I'm not going to try and

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hunt this down.

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I read the transcript of the speech that he's referring to, that Norm's referring to, and

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based on that, he's just making shit up to be mad about.

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Stupid.

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All I needed to hear from him is that casual nonchalant, the January 5th or 6th, I don't

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remember what, fuck you.

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You remember goddamn well.

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No, it's because when was the speech?

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The speech was the night before.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So I think that's what he's referring to.

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Okay, okay.

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In fairness.

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All right.

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So, but, but look, man, I think Norm might have enjoyed the 6th.

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I think he might've been into it.

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I think this is the great lie on the American people.

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I mean, for Kamala Harris to stand up in front of the nation and say, January 6th was like,

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you know, September 11th was like Pearl Harbor.

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No it wasn't.

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January 6th was like 1776.

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It was like Lexington.

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It was like Concord.

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Wait.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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When the people wake up and think enough to appear at a public place and demand answers,

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Congress ought not to react by investigating the people.

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They ought to look in their own henhouse and say, what are we doing wrong?

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Yeah, man.

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When Stuart Rhodes and his militia decide that they're going to get weapons caches and

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then try and storm the Capitol in order to stop the counting of the votes in the Electoral

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College, you know what?

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Congress should really look in the mirror.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Look, I'm not saying the Congress doesn't need to make some changes, but that's a ridiculous

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thing to say.

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Listen, I know that nobody in our far right movement would do this.

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It's got to be Antifa who was leading it, who was instigating it.

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Now, obviously in retrospect, I view it exactly the same as the American Revolution, notoriously

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peaceful American Revolution, much like Lexington and Concord.

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So peaceful.

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I think one of the problems with this show and the community around it is like, they

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even like, they can't even get their stories straight.

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No.

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Alex probably wouldn't want him saying something like that, because that's kind of complicated

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to work in with the other stuff.

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Your lawyer just said he was hoping that the far right would begin a revolution.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's your lawyer.

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Yeah.

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Interestingly, if you pull up the indictment, though, Stuart Rhodes, one of the things,

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one of the messages he sent on the 6th, as things were going down, he said, quote, hey,

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the founding generation stormed the governor's mansion in Massachusetts and tarred and feathered

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his tax collectors, and they seized and dumped tea in the water.

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They didn't fire on them, but they street fought.

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That's where we are now.

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Next comes our Lexington.

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It's coming.

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I don't know.

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It seems like Norm might be pretty close in spirit.

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Just real guilty, all these folks.

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Just real guilty.

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Just so fucking guilty.

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What a mess.

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Lying to our fucking faces.

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So I think that even Norm is smart enough to recognize that there is a threat to his

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clients' ability to operate.

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There is a threat that the world will start looking at people like Alex, people like Stuart,

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as they are, as opposed to like, ah, let them be.

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People will recognize the danger that folks like this present.

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It used to be more of a headache to engage than not to, and now it's starting to look

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like we better engage before it becomes too big of a headache.

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Exactly.

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And so Norm, in order to sort of deflect from that, he has to mischaracterize why Stuart

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got arrested.

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Sure.

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Well, you know, I mean, basically it's an attempt to criminalize ordinary behavior,

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and it waters down the conspiracy requirement to almost meaningless dimensions.

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If in fact agreeing to go to a protest and agreeing to stand outside to try to delay

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Congress from doing something or a federal agency from doing something or trying to hinder

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them from doing something, that expression of protest is now considered under this precedent

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seditious conspiracy.

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You notice how the people who were just standing outside and protesting, like all those hundreds

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and thousands of people, they weren't arrested for a seditious conspiracy.

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I did notice that.

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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It's a little weird how Norm is completely ignoring all the parts in the indictment where

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Stuart and his buddies make weapons caches and start up quick response teams to bring

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guns to the Capitol.

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So weird that they're pretending that Stuart didn't discuss how he and others might have

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to quote, take to arms in defense of our God-given liberty.

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So weird that it doesn't come up that a person with Rhodes messaged their group chat during

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the storming of the Capitol and said, quote, we are acting like the founding fathers, can't

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stand down, per Stuart and I agree.

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This is just such bullshit of a move for Norm to get on this show and pretend that all Stuart

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did to get in trouble was to go to a protest with some friends that ended getting up a

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little out of hand.

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This is such cowardly and a deceitful way to present this information and he knows what

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he's doing.

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He's a shitty lawyer, but he's still a lawyer.

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He knows what he's doing.

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No, that should be disbarment level of bullshit right there.

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I think he should have been disbarred for being on air with Alex when he threatened

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Chris and Betty.

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Totally, totally.

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100%.

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I want this head on a pike.

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100 million dollars, Alex, no, please don't do this.

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But this, this is, he's, you know, he's read the indictment.

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No, he's, he's been clear about this.

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Yeah.

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You know what he is doing is lying on air.

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Yeah.

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He is not, not lying.

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No, no, there's no way you can tell me that you think he made a mistake or left it out

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on accident.

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I don't believe that.

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Yeah.

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You know, he's a lying person who went on the airwaves to lie specifically.

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Intentionally.

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Don't let him be a lawyer anymore.

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So look, Norm thinks that this is the end of protesting.

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Now protesting is going to be illegal.

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Yeah, that sounds true.

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Alex thinks something a little different.

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But, but they, they have been making it very difficult for us to get documents, we're spending

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months just trying to get, you know, well basically they're, they're hiding a needle

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in a haystack.

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They're beginning.

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And they'd never be permitted to do that in a civil case.

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Well, they're building this constellation of FEMA camps and arrest and solitary confinement

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and disappearing and how to block lawyers and how to block judges.

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They're just building the beginning of their martial law takeover.

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So I guess COVID is not going to kill us all again.

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We've gone back and forth zigzagging throughout this episode.

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I guess it's back to martial law because that's more relevant to the Stuart Rhodes talk.

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I hate it whenever he has this kind of guest on because he just winds up, it just sounds

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like they're two dudes getting drunk at a bar talking about politics they don't know

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anything about.

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Sure.

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He's also, uh, pretty bold to complain about not producing documents on the Alex Jones

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show.

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Well, well, well.

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He just lost a bunch of cases by default judgment for Discovery.

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That's because they were in the stacks.

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I couldn't find them.

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That actually might have been a legitimate argument.

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If Alex was like these five-inch stackies- Do you not understand how many stackies I

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have here?

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I can't go through all of them.

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Look, I wanted to print out the documents to give you, but I ran out of toner.

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Too many stacks.

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Toner's expensive.

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Yeah.

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So here's just a clip of Norm being a dum-dum.

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Okay.

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Well, I mean, you know, the narrative now is the following.

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If you complain about something and you happen to be white, you're a white nationalist or

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you're a white supremacist.

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I'm neither.

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I happen to be a white misanthrope.

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I don't trust anybody, much less the government.

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Sure.

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They're trying to change the subject of a multinational criminal takeover into black

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and white.

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I think, I think that if you say that if you complain you're a white nationalist, they

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call you a white nationalist, I would, I would say that that's a statement that I think is

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very overlapping with white nationalists.

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I would, I would even go so far as to say, if you were just a misanthrope who wasn't

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a racist, you would have said, I'm a misanthrope instead of I'm a white misanthrope.

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I would think that you'd be misanthropic towards Alex because he's a piece of shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Your misanthropy is directed in, in certain ways that kind of give up the belie, which

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you actually believe.

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All you do now, they do this every time you go out, you complain about one specific race

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doing one thing that maybe isn't even true and they all call you a white nationalist

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now.

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Also, let's not forget what Norm's standup bit was.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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Woke insurance.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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What a dork.

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Anyway, we have one last clip and it's Alex giving a sales pitch.

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For woke insurance?

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No.

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Oh.

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Uh, it's a bummer.

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Okay.

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It's discounted.

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It's all there info war store.com and listen, I get it.

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The leaves fall off and on them and sometimes stuff shuts down.

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I love this crew.

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I love, we've been in the same building 15 years.

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I've been on there 28 years, but if you guys decided not to support us and you've already

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done so much, that's what God wants.

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I'll be happy to go away, but they're going to blow up a bunch of federal buildings and

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declare martial law and turn your power off and send force inoculators to your house and

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rape your wife and children.

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I mean, it's not a joke.

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We've done our best here.

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And the good news is my best work was done 20 years ago or five years ago, laying land

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mines in people's minds for when this came.

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So right now is all gravy and we're having a huge effect right now, but we already did

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our work in the past so people would know what was coming.

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So I want you to keep us in the game, but it's up to you.

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You want us in the game, go to info war store.com.

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Get products.

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You need to make your life better.

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If you don't kill me, you'll never see me again.

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Listen, listen, I get it.

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Maybe you guys don't like lucky charms anymore.

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Maybe you want this leprechaun to go away.

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That's fine.

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If you don't want to support lucky fucking charms, you don't have to buy any of this

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shit.

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How about you?

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How about you kill me?

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Oh my God.

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Just kill us.

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I mean, that's unbelievable.

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That's a beautiful, very sad.

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That's beautiful.

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Ad work.

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Mr. Clean, you don't want to fucking clean house anymore.

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Fine.

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Mr. Clean will go away.

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I was thinking about, I was thinking about some of the aspects of that and I do think

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that, I mean, I think he was bad consistently, but he was better five years ago than he is

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now.

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I mean, just by virtue of going from like a D to an F, you know, like it, it's still

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worse.

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Sure.

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This is worse.

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And I also do agree that his earlier career has made the present worse.

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And so like he did do his work earlier.

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But look, dude, this kind of sales pitch of like, hey, support us if you want, maybe we're

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going away, whatever.

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That is, that makes me sad.

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It feels like what Elizabeth Cady Stanton tried to do for the glass ceiling, Alex is

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trying to do for the concept of rock bottom.

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He's just keeps breaking through it.

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Well, I mean, there's so many, there's so many different layers of it and different

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sorts of rock bottom.

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There's the angry, I quit, fuck you, fuck you, this sucks, I'm never coming back.

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There's the, there's the, we're all going to die, we're all just going to die.

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He's kind of going through DABDA.

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There's the anger, that is the fuck you, fuck you.

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There's the bargaining, that is, if you buy our products, we'll stay on air.

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There's denial, him saying we're winning, we're winning, absolutely.

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There's depression, certainly, that's where we are now.

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Yeah, but he never gets to the A. We're just in a constant cycle of grief without ever

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making it to acceptance.

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That's all my heart, folks.

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You ripped it out.

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We're back.

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We're back to Pigment.

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And that's...

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Full circle, baby!

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Hey!

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Is this a herald?

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I think that.

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So, Jordan, we'll be back.

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Yes, indeed we will.

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I do think, though, just to put a little button on this, I don't think that Alex was that

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surprised by the news of Stuart getting arrested.

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No, I agree.

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I don't know how much awareness he had of the specific of him getting arrested that

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day or anything, but the way he reacted is not how he normally reacts to stuff.

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It seems very, very bizarre and out of character.

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And I don't know.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I wouldn't say that he knew it was going to happen that day, but if he didn't get a text

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in the past two or three days that's like, it could happen any week now or something

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like that.

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Shit's getting hot.

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Exactly.

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I would definitely, absolutely see Stuart himself knowing like, hey, this is getting

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serious now.

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Or Stuart's lawyer.

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Or Stuart's lawyer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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And so, anyway, we'll see what happens as Alex realizes more and more that his body

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is fucked.

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Is straight up fucked.

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Woo!

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We'll be back.

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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yeah, we're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.

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Yeah, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm Dizzy X.

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Clark.

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I'm Daryl Rundis.

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And now here comes the sex robot.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.