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Know your 30 orange
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up
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and
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I am sweating
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knowledge by its time to pray
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and have great respect for knowledge by
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guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.
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Need. Need. Money.
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Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. Stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray.
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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex. I'm a big fan. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight dot com. I love you.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I'd like to sit around,
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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan.
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Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot for today is kind of trying to make peace with a fruit.
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Okay. Are we getting back to grapefruit?
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No. It's another fruit that I've disparaged quite a bit in the recent days on this show,
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particularly as it relates to the year of the seltzer.
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I've said some really negative things about coconut.
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Yes you have. That's true.
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And I've always tried to stay diplomatic on this topic, that I don't hate the coconut.
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I hate it as a seltzer. It's just a disgusting flavor for liquids.
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Right. So I want to take this opportunity
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to say something positive about coconuts that I have recently encountered in my life.
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I have been exploring various, like I told you I've been having oat milk.
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Uh huh. Yes.
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I've recently discovered that there's also other kinds of yogurt.
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Didn't know that necessarily. What does that mean?
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There are non-milk yogurts. That sounds crazy.
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So there's a coconut milk yogurt. Okay.
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Fantastic. All right.
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I enjoy it. Coconut milk yogurt.
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Does the trick. I just don't, wait isn't yogurt-
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It's just basically yogurt, but then it's got a little bit of a coconut thing to it.
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But isn't yogurt curdled milk though? Isn't the definition of yogurt?
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Am I a scientist? That's fair.
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Am I a milk scientist? You're not.
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You're not. Look at me, Jordan. Am I a milk scientist?
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I don't know. You answered me that one question.
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You're the one who knows more about milks than me.
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I paid a dollar at the store and I got one. I ate it and it tasted okay.
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Yeah, but you're a researcher. You look into things, Dan.
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Not about yogurt. Why not?
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That's a good question. Actually, we've now reached the point where I'm like,
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yeah, I kind of agree with you. There's some expectation that I would look into it.
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I just haven't. I've just been trying. And honestly, I want to be totally clear about this.
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I don't know if it's healthier. I don't know if it's healthier than like a Greek yogurt or-
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Sure.... just a Danan.
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Sure. But it's pretty good. I enjoy it.
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I'm just trying to diversify the offerings that I have, the food offerings in my life.
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Looking forward to 2022 whenever we hear the drop yogurt.
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All right. This is the year of yogurt again.
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There won't be a year of the yogurt.
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Still going.
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No. It turns out there'll be another year of the seltzer in a couple of years.
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Sure. Sure.
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Because I just like seltzer. It's delicious.
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You like seltzer.
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I have no updates on that front, but I would like to know what your bright spot is.
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My bright spot is the comedian David O'Daugherty, Dan.
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You might have overpronounced that name.
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David O'Daugherty, Dan.
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Okay.
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You pronounced it right.
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Okay.
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No, I haven't particularly enjoyed a lot of standup that's been released recently.
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Sure.
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So I went back and watched some old David O'Daugherty specials, and he's fantastic.
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Musical comedian, tiny little keyboard, little Casio keyboard, terrible singing voice.
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Oh, boy.
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Incredible songwriter.
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I might have to look into this because the way you describe it sounds pretty rough.
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No, he's amazing.
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Okay.
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He's very, very good.
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Like in a genuinely funny kind of dark, miserable kind of way.
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I'm not aware of him, although you did drag me to see another European comedian at the
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Yes, yes.
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That's an A on the theater.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dylan Mooren.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No offense to that guy, but I did not have a great time.
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You know what I found? A lot of people don't make it to five specials,
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and those who do probably shouldn't.
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Let's be real about that.
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I just remember getting pissed off because the bar had closed, maybe.
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Oh, that's right.
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That's right.
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With like half an hour left in the show, I had walked out to get another drink because
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I wasn't enjoying myself.
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The last half hour was you just seething.
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Me turning over and looking after a kind of half-hearted lad.
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I demand more Merlot.
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Anything.
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Is there anything here for you?
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No, not even Merlot?
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Fine.
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I didn't hold it against you, although it was one of the lower points of our
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friendship because I remember.
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That's true.
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I remember that we went to that because your now partner didn't want to go.
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No, no, no.
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That was a different.
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It was a different setup of it.
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No, a different person.
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That's right.
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There was a previous relationship.
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That's right.
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My timeline's a little screwy, but...
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Not to worry.
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So, Jordan, today we've got actually what is going to be what I would describe as a
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very special episode of our podcast, and I don't understand exactly...
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We're going to learn about drugs?
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I'll tell you something about drugs.
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Okay.
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Stay away from them.
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Okay.
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Just say no.
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Okay.
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It's the best policy.
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Thanks, Nancy.
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Learn that from a DARE program.
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Did you have a DARE program?
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Oh, totally.
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Did you have a DARE bear?
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No.
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What?
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Okay.
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A DARE bear?
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I don't know if this was just something that my school had, but we had a DARE bear that
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went along with the DARE curriculum.
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Was it like a Care Bear with just like with DARE on the stomach and shout DARE love?
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Yeah, and he did really well in the drug education section of the curriculum or
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whatever.
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They'd let you take it home for the evening and then you had to bring it back.
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That stopped a lot of...
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I thought that was universal.
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No.
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Never heard of a DARE bear in my life.
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I guess we'll probably hear from some listeners whether or not they had DARE bears.
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Nope.
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We just had an incompetent city cop and his massive dog.
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I think we might have had a similar...
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Some overlap on that front.
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I think it was around the time that Care Bears was a cartoon.
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Sure.
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So that might have been part of why that ended up happening.
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Any rhyme is worth going for at least once.
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Sure.
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But that's not what's going to make this special.
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It's not an after-school special.
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And I don't actually know exactly how the structure of this is going to go.
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I haven't really planned this out incredibly well in advance, but we will see.
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What we're going to do is I'm going to give some shout-outs to some folks who have signed
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up and are supporting the show.
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Then I'm going to open up the mailbag.
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Then we're going to play a drop of the Andy in Kansas, and then we are going to enter
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a time capsule episode that we're recording for a listener's child.
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Oh, that's great.
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For them to listen to in the future.
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The child is, at this point, too young to listen to this show.
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How old?
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How old?
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I believe six.
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Six?
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Too young to listen to knowledge from.
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I don't know.
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You started him young.
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However, this gentleman, Robert, reached out to me and wanted to create a time capsule
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of the day that his daughter was born for when she's old enough to listen to the show
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so she could hear what Alex was doing on the day she was born.
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I want to go fuck, Dad.
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Why are you making me listen to this?
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I got this email, and I thought it was one of the sweeter, more uplifting things that
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I've heard in a while, although twisted and obscured through the lens of our show, which
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is never sweet or uplifting.
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Yeah, that's very strange.
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And so I definitely got this request, and I said, yes, absolutely.
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This is something that we would love to do to insinuate ourselves in some sort of a weird
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memory for your family in the future.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Very weird.
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I want to get that letter.
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Sure.
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I want to get that post-apocalyptic letter.
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Should we all be around at that point?
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You're right.
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You might want to download this and put this on a thumb drive now, in case the internet
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goes out by the time.
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Make it a vinyl.
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You want a physical copy of this.
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The cloud is going down.
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The cloud is going down.
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You may want to pay somebody to transcribe this into rock, and just chisel it into a
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stone to make sure it survives.
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We do have a cute NAO form, knowledge might specialist.
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It's kind of strange, yeah.
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So I mean, honestly, I think this might be a dual time capsule, in the sense that we're
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recording this in July 2020, and also it will be a time capsule of December 17th, 2013,
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the day of Robert's child's birth.
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Love it.
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Love it.
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So we're going to do that, but I wanted to try, and I don't know why, because we're already
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talking about this, and this is an episode, but the way I conceived a bit in my mind is
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that we would play that drop, and then we would enter it as if that's the beginning
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of the episode.
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OK.
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But only because I was like, I don't know if this was a time capsule episode.
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Do they need to hear the donors?
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Is that somehow...
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I just don't know.
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I don't know how this works.
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So anyway, if you...
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OK.
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All right, all right.
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So let's get down to business.
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I love this.
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So first, Justin A, thank you so much.
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You are now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks Justin.
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Next to Joe W, thank you so much.
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You are now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Joe.
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Thank you Joe.
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Next Spiggy.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Spiggy.
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Thank you Spiggy.
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Next Kage, spelled with a K. K-A-G-E, last initial h.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Kage.
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thank you cage next Emily em but thank you so much you are now policy wonk I'm
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a policy wonk Thank You Emily next Joseph are thank you so much you
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are now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk a huge Joseph and Andrew s thank you so
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much now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk Thanks Andrew and finally I'd like to
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say thank you to a couple people donated on an elevated level we appreciate that
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very much so Kyle D thank you so much you asshole
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technocrat and beard Beardsley thank you so
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much you are now a technocrat I'm a policy wonk crikey mate that's fantastic
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have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this,
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Watson, alright? Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why are you pimps so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. And because,
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in the future, you may listen to this preemptively, though you're too young to understand what it
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means right now. Sure. Robert, his child, V, you are officially a raptor princess. I'm a policy
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wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. I'll barbecue your ass.
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It's over for humanity. You're a beautiful soul. They're coming for your balls. Well,
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I piss all over your god. Very few people crap in the pool unless they're babies.
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I piss all over the state. Make it a practice of calling people pieces of garbage. When they are.
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Comic! As you see fit. Thank you all. Alright, so Jordan, let's get to the mailbag. Alright,
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zip. Alright, hold on. Zip. Are you telling me you're going to let her miss that it was Beard
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Beardsley's shoutout on this episode? She's going to just start at the next part? Come on. She's
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got to know Beard Beardsley was here. But see, I'm too confused. Like, I assume that everyone,
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like, down the road, 10 years from now or whatever, they'll be listening to this part
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where we're doing this rambling introduction. Naturally. Naturally. Which is why I threw in
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the raptor princess shoutout just in case. Of course. But I want to give options in case you
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want to cut it off. That's why. Okay. This is an instance of I don't know what I'm doing. I know.
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I love it. I'm having fun. I'm not criticizing you in a negative way. This is fantastic. I'm
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not having a terrible time either, although I am flummoxed. Um, so zip. Uh huh. Here's the mailbag.
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Here we go. I'd like to say thank you to Bob Hartzell of the Algratin Press. Sent a nice
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little package. Hard to call it little because there were a ton of prints in there. Yeah. Of
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cool posters for shows. A lot of venues. Very cool. Yeah. A lot of venues around central
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Missouri too. So there's a lot of stuff from like mojos and the blue note, which are places
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that I frequented. And that as well as like some cool fireside bowl prints. Totally. Yeah.
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Just great art. And you can find his work over on Etsy at the Algratin Press. There's some places
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you can find his work. You should check it out. It all looks really great. And I think it's hard
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to say for sure because there's no year on it, but I think I was at one of the shows at one of
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these posters. Yeah. I think that the Decemberist show that there's a poster of, I was at. Although
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that's hard to say for sure because I would have had to been over a decade ago. Yeah. So, but if
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it was. Do you mean when the Decemberists were popular? Boom. I didn't. Hold on one second. It
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wasn't even my choice to go to that show. I got dragged along to it. I had no idea who the
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Decemberists were. Yeah. And it was fine. You weren't missing much. It was a fine show. I had
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a good time. But yeah, thank you, Bob. I really appreciate it. I'll get, you know, I don't know
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which of these will make it on the wall, but I know you took a shining to the Flaming Lips
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poster. You're a big Flaming Lips fan. I'm a big Flaming Lips fan. You like to battle pink robots?
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I do love battling pink robots. I appreciate Vaseline in all its many forms. Did you ever
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do that thing where you get a bunch of copies of Zaireka and then you try and play it at the
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same time? My friends did. My friends did. You don't really like the Flaming Lips then? I had
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no interest in messing around with them. We tried that. I was so, I heard about that and my
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first reaction was like, good on you, fellas. And if anybody listens, good on them. We did it. And
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I don't know if it was better or not. I was really high. Yeah. See, I told you we were going to talk
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about drugs. My, yeah, no, when I was 17, my then girlfriend was on stage with the Flaming Lips at
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Lollapalooza. She was playing the sax. They do, no, they invite people up there. She was dressed
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as an alien. She did not play the sax. She's not a good saxophone player. She was a pianist,
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actually, so. A little tiny piano, like at Irish. A little David O'Doherty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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All right, Jordan. Yes, sir. It's time. Okay. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hello from the
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past. Yes. Hello. We're recording this in July 2020, where things are bleak. Yes. If you, if you
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are listening, please make sure that you do not let the fire go out. We don't know how to restart
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them anymore. Kenny Loggins. Great song. Always. Yeah. We are recording this in 2020, where the
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world is a disaster, and we certainly hope that things are better when this time capsule will be
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appropriate to open, although I do have a keen awareness that there are a lot of people who are
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just listening to this on Wednesday in 2020, and they're not loving it. I just want to say
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congratulations to Martin Luther King Jr.'s granddaughter on becoming president. We do know
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that the time travelers have told us that. Yep. We have no confirmation of it yet, but you will know
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in the future. Of course. So, like I said, Robert reached out to me and requested that we record
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this episode for his daughter, Vee, who was born on December 17th, 2013. And in honor of that,
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I have gone back and collected clips and listened to an episode of Alex Jones's from December 13th,
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2017. I'm sorry. 2013? 2013. Yes. To give a full idea of what he was up to on the day of Vee's
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birth. That'll be interesting. Yeah. And you know what? Hey, you don't get to choose. You don't
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choose your birthday. I'll tell you right now, if anybody was born on this day, they better hope
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that they live to see the end of it. Sometimes, we've experienced this in the past. Sometimes
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you choose a random day and Alex has passed, and it'll be like, well, this is a humdinger.
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I don't think that this is a bad or uninteresting episode, but I will say that there is very little
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geopolitical importance on this episode of his show. That's not a surprise. Yeah. It's not a day
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where Alex is really batting on all cylinders, if you allowed me to mix metaphors. So here,
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though, is an out of context drop from today's show. When the TSA is playing ping pong with
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your huevos, you're in tyranny. Sort of a Jeff Boxworthy kind of thing. If the TSA is playing
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ping pong with your testicles, you just might be in a tyranny. You just might be in a fashion.
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Or it could go the other way, where it's like, when the TSA plays ping pong with your balls,
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that's a tyranny. I couldn't decide which way it went, but it could be either. All right.
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So we start off this episode, and I got really excited just from the jump. When I heard...
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There's an interesting thing. Alex's show is very, very different in 2013 from what it is
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in the day as we were recording this in 2020. And that is, Alex has a lot more focus. He clearly has
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at least some idea of what he wants to do on his show. He does maybe a couple minute, like,
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here's what's coming up on today's show. Here are the guests. I'm actually kind of excited to
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listen to this. We've been listening to Dirt, Alex, for so long. Yeah. And especially in the
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present day, I was listening to Monday's episode from here in July 2020. And it was just depressing.
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It was just like, it's still just an extension of the, I can't even do anything. And so I'm glad to
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have this retreat to go back to talk about. But in his preamble, talking about what's coming up
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on the show, I was like, oh, God, so good. Ladies and gentlemen, coming up later in the broadcast
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is live Tuesday, the 17th of December 2013 edition, Larry Klayman, the legendary constitutional
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lawyer that's waged war on tyrants everywhere. He is going to be joining us.
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Alex is so excited to promote that Larry Klayman's coming up on the show. For some context,
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Larry Klayman is currently suing Alex. The two of them are in a blood feud about Alex
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and Roger Stone, slandering Larry Klayman and his associate Jerome Corsi, former Infowars employee.
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The two of them do not like each other anymore. Larry Klayman has become a bit, I mean, he was
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a punchline back then too, but even to Alex, he is now just kind of a, that guy's a dick. Oh, how
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things change. You know, it's always so many things we see where it's like, oh, this is the
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same shit that's been going on since the eighties. This, this is good to know that some friendships
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do crumble hilariously. I don't even know this is a friendship though. Like this is just like a
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convenience. This is just an association of convenience. And there's a lot of stuff like that
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that I see like looking at this episode in particular, especially as like a bottle episode.
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There's like, oh, Alex likes Larry back then. Oh, this guy was around, you know, there's a lot of stuff
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that's like, oh my God, that's, that, that is, things are very different. We're tourists in the
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past. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. Um, so Alex in his, uh, like amping up what's coming up
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on today's show, he does say this and I will say this is not something he follows through with.
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And of course, as I said, open phones and I'll open the phones up again today,
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but I think it's going to be on specific topics. Uh, because I really want to get your take on some
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of these issues. We're going to be breaking down after the break. We don't really get to calls.
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And also if you have open phones, but it's only on certain topics, it's no longer open. It's not
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really open phone. You have, you have contradicted yourself. We have closed phones, right? But it is,
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it's still like, I think he says that at the beginning of every show back at this point,
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you know, like we're going to have open phones, but it's only talk about this or even just saying
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you're going to have open phones. It seems like something you would say on a talk show at this,
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you know, of this sort in 2013, you know, like, ah, we're going to talk to people. And then if
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you get to it, you get to it. If you don't, you don't. Well, I mean, the, the point being people
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are going to be like, when's my chance to call. So they're going to listen through the point to
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where they're somebody's going to say it's his turn to call. Right. Right. It's a good, uh,
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it's a good thing to do. Yeah. So Alex jumps into the stories and, uh, here's where he decides to
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begin. Now where to begin. When we come back, there is so much to cover here. So much to go
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over here. How about some things don't change. General motors says no way it will pay back 10
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billion bailout money. It used to move to China and Brazil. You don't just pay to bail it out.
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You pay to have it leave the country only in America. And if you don't like it, you're a
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conspiracy theorist and a racist. So yeah, it is, it is interesting. You know, Alex does have the,
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like there's so many stories to get to that is very similar, but in this case he does at least
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start talking about a headline. That's true. That's true. So for what it's worth in July,
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2019, GM finally finished paying back to the United States government, all the money that
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it owed as part of the bailout. That was later than it was supposed to have paid it all back,
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but all 6.7 billion that was considered alone was repaid. The government and by extension,
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the taxpayers did still lose out here though, because part of the bailout plan was to not
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saddle the company with an impossible amount of debt. So some of the bailout was in the form of
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the US government buying stock in general motors. According to a 2014 article in CNN business,
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quote, although GM has been very profitable since 2009, its stock price never rose to the level that
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let treasury recoup that investment. Of course. On December 16th, back in 2013, there was an article
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in the Detroit Free Press with the headline, quote, should GM repay 10 billion rescue costs?
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CEO says no. Surprise. This article is about whether or not the CEO of GM felt they should
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pay off the government for all the stock that it bought in GM, which technically is not their
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responsibility and wasn't part of the bailout plan. Naturally, the CEO said no, and they quote,
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treasury officials took the same risk assumed by anyone who purchases stock. Also, Alex fails to
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mention that in this article, they explicitly discussed GM's plan to invest $1.2 billion in
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five US plants, which brings their total for the past four years at that point, up to $10 billion
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investments in a United States plant. Sure. Alex is saying that they're moving to Brazil and China,
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but there are only three GM factories in Brazil, and all of them were opened before the bailout,
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two of them prior to 1960. As for the reality of Chinese GM factories, they've been built because
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of the expanding demand for cars in China. A 2019 article in CNN business estimates that
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approximately 1% of US GM sales are from cars imported from Chinese factories, and quote,
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do not have any impact on US factories. There are car plants in China because people in China need
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cars, and it's way more profitable to not have to transport big ass cars across the world just to
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sell them. Yeah, that is smart. There are definitely things that you should and can take issue with
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about the GM bailout, but from everything I can tell, Alex just read this headline about the CEO
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saying he wasn't going to pay back money that wasn't a loan, and he's making stuff up about
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the rest. Sure, sure. He's just getting mad about stuff that doesn't make sense when there's other
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things to get mad at. Yeah, no, I mean, I do not appreciate the CEO's tone of like, hey, we just
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saved your entire fucking business. We could have let you go bankrupt. We could have saddled you
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with all this debt, but we're not a goddamn venture capital fund, and then you're going
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to come back and be like, hey, man, you guys did the same shit everybody else did, no big deal.
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That's kind of a big I'll see you in hell, you dickbag. Like, I don't know what to say. If part
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of the arrangement in advance was that they would buy back the stock for the amount that it was sold
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for or whatever, and they would pay back everything, then yeah, I would think it was a
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dick move, but per the terms. Oh, no, no, no, totally. Right. They can't compel them by any
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stretch. It's still a dick tone to take. Sure, you would love for them to do it out of the goodness
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of their heart and their love for America. You would never expect that to happen ever, but it
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would be nice. So Alex gets to another story, and it's pretty like a headline intensive towards the
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beginning of the episode that does not continue, but here's the next one. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
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even mainstream media is calling it the rise of Google's robot army. The rise of the machines,
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Google search and destroy rise of the robot animals as they've now bought four in the last
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week and now four more. So eight robot companies in the last week as Google makes the executive
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decision to literally buy up almost all serious humanoid or animal type combat capable in the
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future robot systems. Freak out. Wow. Wow. That was a lot of clauses that he kept adding to that.
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Certainly a lot of words. A lot of words. Yep. So Google is getting a robot army together. Yeah.
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It's still coming. I don't doubt that. And it is going to look really embarrassing if like down the
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road when this time capsule is opened, Google's robots have taken over the world. Oh, man. That'd
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be a real bummer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Black Mirror episode. They were going to sound like
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assholes for critiquing that. So once again, this is easily traceable to a headline from December
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16th. One of the things I thought was really interesting is like going through this and like
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hearing the stories that he's covering, it's painfully easy to just go and find the exact
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article he's talking about. Like with the last one, the GM article, like that was really easy
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to find like, oh, here's what he's talking about. And the same thing with this. It's just, this is
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a CBS News article with the headline, quote, Google buys eight robotics companies in six months. Why?
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This article is primarily about Google buying a company called Boston Dynamics, which grew out of
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a project at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Sure. A lot of these investments
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could easily be understood as Google trying to get in in the early stages of technologies that
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could be used for an almost mind boggling array of purposes, mostly in the field of automation.
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If you look at it from that angle, there's nothing even close to strange about Google
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buying up these businesses. The robotics section of Google was being handled by a guy named Andy
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Rubin, who left Google in 2014. According to sources who spoke with Vox in 2017, this quote
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left a number of the companies without much direction about what their role at Google would be.
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So it should probably be no huge surprise that in 2017, Google sold Boston Dynamics,
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as well as their other large robotics interests, Shaft, to a Japanese company called Softbang.
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The robotics companies were part of Google X, which is their developmental wing.
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They saw a large potential in these companies, but after the guy who was running them
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left, things got a little rudderless, and they started to realize that the innovations that
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were being worked on were too far away from being profitable, so they sold them off.
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Yeah, they had already built the Rosie the Robot made with the Google insignia on it,
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and then they had to get rid of those, and that's why in the Jetsons you don't see them.
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Sure. That's what makes sense to me. That's what I saw in the white papers.
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That's the only thing I can see.
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I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not going to say that those videos of
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galloping robots don't terrify you.
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They're great. No, no, no. They're fantastic.
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I'm not trying to downplay that. We should probably shoot all of those on site.
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I don't know how many times we have to have in a movie...
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Look, I love Horizon Zero Dawn, so I know that I'm going to need to invest in a bow and arrow.
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Exactly.
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How many times are we going to have to have a movie say the answer is,
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they asked themselves whether or not they could, not whether or not they should,
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and then we watch it in reality happen, and we're like,
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guys, have you seen any movies about you?
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About you. They're about you. Look at you building a Black Mirror episode.
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Yeah.
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You're terrifying.
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It's not predictive programming. It's a common artistic theme about hubris.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Well, we won't make these mistakes.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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So the sense that I get from reading up on Google's foray into the field of robotics
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is that it was kind of a mixed experience.
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On the one hand, some people accuse Google of holding the field back by spending big bucks
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to hire some of the brightest minds in robotics into their research divisions,
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where they weren't being used to their full potential,
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and therefore innovations were held back that could have been maybe done outside of the
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restrictive purview of Google.
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And then others point out the fact that because Google showed such a huge interest in robotics
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back in 2013, it led to other firms viewing robotics as a field worth investing in,
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and so it actually pushed the field forward.
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So it's kind of a mixed bag.
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Yeah, nobody has a complete handle on what the net gain or loss is.
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We just know that there's some gain, there's some loss, nobody's...
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It seems like a lot of the sense that I was getting was kind of stifling.
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There's a lot of the feeling that some people had in hindsight.
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But I guess another thing is I'm not in that field nearly enough, or at all,
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to be able to speak with any kind of authority.
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No idea.
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But anyway, the companies that Alex is talking about have been, by this point,
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sold by Google, and it was clearly not an attempt to create robot armies.
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Yes, no, not yet.
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Not yet.
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There's still time.
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So in 2020, as we sit, we are in the midst of the coronavirus, the COVID-19 situation,
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which Alex believes is a bioweapon that the globalists have released
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in order to precipitate martial law.
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Now, here's what's interesting.
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Alex was talking about bioweapon stuff back in 2013,
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although the timeline and the order of events is a little bit different.
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And listen, you could grow up and be an adult and get ready for what's happening,
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but you won't do it.
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You stay in a childlike Arrested Development three-year-old level.
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I'm talking to new listeners saying this isn't happening.
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Oh, it's happening while you're busy watching the NFL,
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while you're busy into your favorite music star,
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while you're busy watching your favorite sitcom.
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We're under total siege because the globalists are taking the planet over
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towards their goal to then bring in planetary rule to then drop the hammer.
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They can't do it till planetary rules end because the nuclear war might happen.
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If they release these bioweapons, they've done the war games.
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They know it's going to result in a nuclear war, and they don't probably want that.
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They've got to get the police state in place first and a global standardization
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before they do this.
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And the minute they get a real world government in,
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they're going to up the taxes, bankrupt everybody 10 times worse,
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and then they're going to drop the hammer.
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So you can see here in 2013, Alex's conception is they need to get the martial law in place first.
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Then they use the bioweapons to like remove a bunch of people.
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Now it's completely flipped.
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The bioweapon is released in order to get the martial law in place.
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Although in 2013, he was saying they wouldn't release the bioweapon first because they've...
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I mean, he usually would say actuaries, but this time he said war games.
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And they figured out that that would cause a nuclear war.
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Everything's changed.
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It's the same like pieces, but they're organized very differently.
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Here's my prediction now.
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I don't think anything Alex says in any era is meant with any kind of actual predictive ability.
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However, I've now decided that we are comparing 2020 Alex's predictions to 2013 Alex's predictions,
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and both of them or either of them will always be correct.
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When they are in disagreement, 2013 will happen.
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To him, well, here's what I think is interesting.
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I don't know if I agree with what you're saying at all.
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Yes.
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But he...
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I doubt it.
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... in 2020 thinks he's been completely consistent the whole time.
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Of course he has.
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Because he said the word bioweapon back then.
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That's true, he did say that.
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Therefore, everything is the same.
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Right.
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Technically, the things that he's saying don't match up.
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No.
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The predictions are different.
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Now the globalist plans are always 10 years behind.
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That is true.
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So there's the possibility that they themselves did a new war game,
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and they were like, well, this isn't gonna start a nuclear war.
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Not releasing it is gonna start a nuclear war,
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so we gotta release it now in order to take over to save us from a nuclear war.
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I don't know anymore, man.
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I'm following.
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I'm following perfectly.
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This makes sense.
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Okay.
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So I know that I've been accused of being a witch in the past.
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You have.
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By you.
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Witch.
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Because of the way that times that I go back into the past,
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there are things that are shockingly relevant to the present.
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I would say that this is one of them.
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And keep in mind that in all the episodes that I've heard of Alex's show in 2020,
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I've not heard him bring up the name Breonna Taylor once.
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Every day I see where police go to the wrong house
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and shoot someone and don't even get in trouble.
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I've got two reports today in the stack of that.
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And Anthony Gucciardi last night woke up to tanks,
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armored vehicles, you name it, at the wrong house,
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and big giant fat goblin commander cop with the SWAT team
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literally dragging some woman out who was innocent.
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It was the wrong house.
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In a fake drug war where they ship all the drugs in to begin with.
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Alex is quite anti-cop in 2013.
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He has a pretty...
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I mean, I guess probably not against the individuals necessary.
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You wouldn't say that he's ACAB.
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No, no, no, no.
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I very much doubt that.
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But yeah, he's like,
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yeah, the cops are going into the wrong houses and shooting people.
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Like you'd think that that would be right in his wheelhouse then
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to talk about this woman who was shot in a no-knock warrant.
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Also, it seems like that one is a very easy one to be consistent on.
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Yeah.
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That doesn't seem to have a fungible moral position on it.
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Going into the wrong house, murdering somebody,
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and then facing no consequences for it seems like it's outside of time itself.
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Right, the only...
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Even in our time capsule episode,
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she's not going to be listening to this in the future and be like,
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oh, no, no, no, we totally think that's fine now.
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Well, hopefully not.
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Never mind.
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Things are weird in 2020.
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We have no predictability at all.
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Could be anything.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, I guess the only thing you could really squabble over is demanding more information.
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Reserving judgment about individual cases until you know more about them
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is really the only place I can see any kind of argument here.
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It seems very simple, but it's the same thing with Alex and his love of carrying weapons legally,
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and then Philando Castillo gets killed carrying a gun legally.
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Well, Gucciardi doesn't sound like a traditionally non-white name.
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Anthony Gucciardi is this guy who ran an alternative health blog,
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and he got brought in to Infos around the same time that Alex was pushing his supplement line.
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Sure.
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And he's no longer there.
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I think he hates Alex now.
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I'm not entirely sure because that falls under the heading of...
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Like, I've seen some videos of people talking shit about Alex,
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and I think Anthony Gucciardi is one of them,
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but that's stuff that just doesn't stick with me because it feels like gossip.
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Yeah, okay, okay.
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But if I understand correctly, I think he hates Alex now,
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and he hasn't been seen in quite a while on Infos,
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but he was a pretty big mainstay around this time in terms of being another health ranger kind of guy.
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He was a mini Mike Adams sort of character.
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He's proto-Mike Adams.
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No, because Mike was around then, too.
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Oh, okay.
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Mike is definitely in play, and so is Natural News.
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Alex brings up Doctor Group a couple times, so he's definitely in the sphere.
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He's collecting weirdo doctor fakes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Gotcha.
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But it's interesting to me that, Alex, you see that.
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You see this principle that, like, I can't disagree with that.
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Cops shouldn't be going into people's houses and murdering them.
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I salute you, Alex.
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Very simple, very simple.
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And it's just weird that in the present day,
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you just don't see that in a very...
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And you know what?
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It seems like it would be something that he could very opportunistically support.
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Totally.
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It seems like something that he could get points for being on the right side of,
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and still, I don't see that happening.
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It would get him a shit ton of attention just to say that he doesn't want cops to murder people.
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It would be nice.
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Like, yeah.
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So here we go.
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And this is a nice, I don't know, maybe a little sprig of parsley.
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It's 2013, Alex liked to sing.
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And your breath is hard as kerosene.
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Weren't your mama's only boy, but her favorite one is...
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She's got to be one of my favorite Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard duets.
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She began to cry when you said goodbye.
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Sanken to your dreams.
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Sanken to your dreams.
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All right, folks, we are back live on this Tuesday edition.
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Uh, Alex loves Poncho and Lefty.
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You know what's really interesting to me?
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I think he only knows like three Willie Nelson songs.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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I think he knows like some Highwaymen, Poncho and Lefty, and then that Grave Digger.
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When you dig my grave.
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I don't see him being a big like variety of music guy.
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Like I see him as having a couple of songs that he listens to all the time,
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or he does not listen to music.
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He has some weird deep cuts though that come out every now and again,
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but with Willie Nelson seems like he has maybe six, five or six songs.
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It's weird.
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He likes to sing along.
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Maybe it's the only things that are covered by whatever his lease agreement is for music.
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Yeah.
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He's only got like these ones he can play.
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He'd love to play some of the Shotgun Willie or whatever.
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Well, he's got Now That's What I Call Music 22.
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Now That's What I Call Willie.
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They had a bunch of Willie Nelson songs on, I imagine.
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Maybe Willie threatened him.
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He's like, you play these songs and none of them.
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You don't touch any of them.
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Willie's high as hell.
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Blazing.
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Let me tell you how it goes, Alex.
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Hey, all right, Alex.
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So this was not what I expected to hear this next clip.
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This was where I was like, this episode isn't going to be about much.
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And coming up in the next segment, I am going to detail all of the facts here on earth
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and here on this planet dealing with our soils.
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I was like, hold on now.
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Hold on.
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All of the facts on earth dealing with soils.
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I was like, what have we gotten ourselves into?
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All right.
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Okay.
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We are now going to sit here and learn everything there is to know on this planet about soil.
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The past used to be quaint, but like 80 years in the past.
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Now 2013 is like, oh, look at you guys.
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You guys are so cute in the past.
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Alex.
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You guys are having a great time.
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I don't want to learn about soil.
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I don't want you to teach me about soil.
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Again, I would greatly prefer this.
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Look, we've got a man singing and talking about soils.
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That's just a regular show.
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That's just a regular show.
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I was very confused when he said that.
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And he doesn't really follow through with that, but soil is a topic of conversation
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more than normal.
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Alex gets into talking about scurvy and talking about the FDA.
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If you go on and do research, you learn that the FDA has continued to lower the minimum
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daily allowance of what they say you need.
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A vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin K.
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I'm going to get Dr.
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Mercola on about this.
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Don't do that.
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Let me get him on.
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Get him on.
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Gonna need him.
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Or Dr.
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Blalock.
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All these medical doctors.
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Gotta get Dr. Blalock.
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I get nutritionists on all day long.
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They have lowered the level of vitamin C down to near scurvy inducing levels where you just
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start having rot holes in your skin and your skin basically falls apart.
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And you prematurely age.
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How many people do you see who you talk to?
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A 50-year-old woman looks like they're 100.
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You go, let me guess, do you ever eat fruits and vegetables?
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No, I don't.
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I eat at McDonald's.
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I mean, that's why they literally all have rot holes in their arms.
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They have scurvy.
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I've talked to the nutritionist.
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They get on vitamin C in a month.
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It's the holes in their arms are all healed.
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So firstly, I don't think that this hypothetical person that Alex is impersonating who only
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eats McDonald's would have their behavior affected too greatly by an altered FDA recommendation.
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I'm pretty sure that no one would say I only eat McDonald's because the FDA said that was
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a good idea.
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I follow their advice.
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I used to eat all the fruits and vegetables, but then they lowered the vitamin C limit.
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So I'm like, I'll just eat at McDonald's forever now.
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Obviously, if your diet doesn't include anything that has vitamin C in it, you could end up
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in bad health.
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But for most people, you get what you need without supplementation.
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An article in the Journal of the College of Family Physicians of Canada explored a slight
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reemergence of scurvy cases in 2008.
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From the article, quote, in a retrospective chart review conducted at the Mayo Clinic
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in Rochester, New York and Scottsdale, Arizona from 1976 to 2002, 10 of 12 scurvy cases were
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related to alcohol abuse, illicit drug use, and psychiatric disorders.
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There are a ton of foods that people eat regularly, even things you can buy at McDonald's that
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have vitamin C in them.
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If you're having a specific problem that might be caused by a vitamin deficiency, it might
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be a good idea to speak to a dietitian and see if there's something you're missing.
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What is not a great angle is to imagine that you have a problem, and the reason must be
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that you're not taking enough of something, so you need supplements.
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That's the fear that Alex is exploiting here in order to try and create feelings of deficiency
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in his audience's mind that he can then come in and solve, when for most people, there's
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no deficiency to begin with.
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No, no, no.
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I mean, if you are a 17th century privateer, then yes, I agree.
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Sure.
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Do not eat at McDonald's all the time.
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That's a terrible idea.
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And suck on that lime.
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Yeah, get some limes going.
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That's the plan.
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Right.
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I mean, it's one of those things, it's like, yes, there are dietary deficiencies that are
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not as rampant as Alex wants people to think, but some people do have nutritional deficits.
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And to the extent that that is real for some people, sometimes supplementation can help.
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Sometimes dietary changes can be enough to get you into a better health.
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But what he's doing here is exploitative and predatory.
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And not least of which is, once again, putting the blame upon a depressed economic sector
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as being like, well, why don't you guys eat all your fruits and vegetables?
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You guys are just eating at McDonald's all the time, discounting the fact that so many
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places are fucking calorie poor, that there's really not much option to, we can't all go
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to fucking Whole Foods.
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That's true.
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You know?
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That's true, although I don't think it's fair for you to say that.
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It seems like that's what Alex is saying, but that's not entirely what he's saying.
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No, it's not entirely.
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He's also saying that the globalists are ruining the soil, which is why he wants to do this
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long lecture on everything there is to know about soil.
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There is that.
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I will give him, it's a multi-dimension.
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It's not just blaming people who can't afford maybe more expensive food and live in a food
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desert or something like that.
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He doesn't even unpack that necessarily.
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That's kind of unexamined territory.
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This is more about the fact that just nutrients are gone from food.
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They're taking it away from food.
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Right.
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And so Alex gets into, this is all because of an article that he read about, they did
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some studies and they found that basically most people don't need supplements.
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You don't really need most people.
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Yeah.
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There are some people who it could be helpful to, but largely speaking, there are some supplements
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that have things that if you take too much of them, it can hurt you.
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Totally.
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And most people, through a proper diet, don't need them.
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And upon publishing that research, the billion dollar industry of supplements went, oh no,
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we're useless.
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I guess we'll just stop.
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Nope.
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They instead decided to misrepresent things.
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Oh, that's smart.
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The way Alex is selling this, and he has a really tough time even committing to this
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angle because it's such bullshit.
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He's just saying that like, oh, the FDA has come out and said you don't need vitamins.
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All right, that's fair.
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That's fair.
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Too big a swing, too big a swing.
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Yesterday, they roll out with a huge PR blitz that vitamins and minerals do nothing.
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And basically the case is closed.
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And on CNN, CBS, ABC, Fox, MSNBC, everything.
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My local paper has it in there.
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National papers just everywhere.
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Chase closed.
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You don't need any vitamins, any minerals, any supplements.
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So he's presenting this as like the FDA has come out and said, fuck vitamins, fuck minerals.
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When in reality...
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You only need to eat rocks like a bird.
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You put them in your gullet, it helps digest the nothing.
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We'll be damned.
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We had no idea, but we looked into it and you should eat paper and only paper.
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Listen, turns out, air, air.
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That's all you need.
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Airitariums.
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Do you know what the problem is?
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The problem is you're not chewing when you breathe.
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That's why you don't get the vitamins in the air.
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Everybody just needs to chew.
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Yep.
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That is an innovation of 2013.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think it's pretty obvious what he's misrepresenting.
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And it's so transparent that as he goes through the episode, he has to cop to the fact that
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what they're saying is if you have a proper diet, you don't need supplements.
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Right.
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But what they mean is that vitamins are nothing.
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So then he has to extend it to like, oh yes, but it's impossible to have a diet that gets
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you all the nutrients that you need.
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And it's just like, okay, this is falling apart as you talk more, but it's clear.
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It's a transparently clear thing.
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It's like, all right, you run a supplement business.
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Right.
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This is why you're doing this.
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Very obviously.
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All right.
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Did you know that until they created vitamin supplements, all humans died?
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That's true.
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That's just true.
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Unfortunately, after all humans.
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Okay.
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Well, there's that.
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Okay.
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You're right.
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But the FDA caused those deaths.
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Yeah.
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So apparently, I don't know how true this is.
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I didn't look into this because I just decided to accept it as possibly true and move along.
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The idea that the FDA has lowered the allowance or the amount you should get of certain things.
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I believe that's possible.
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I would say that it's entirely possible that further research has shown like, you don't
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need this amount, but you should have about this amount.
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Yeah.
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I think that's possible.
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People revise the food pyramid.
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We grow.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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More access to more information means better advice.
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Sure.
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Now, the reason that I kept this clip in is because Alex is trying to come up with examples
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of things they've lowered the recommended amount of and he fucking trips over his own feet.
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Okay.
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They've lowered the daily allowance of what you need, the government says, of things like
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vitamin C and things like oil of oregano down to a level that literally is a starvation,
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according to the medical doctors we've interviewed here.
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So you got two examples.
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One of them is vitamin C.
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Vitamin C.
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The other is oil of oregano.
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Did you know I used to take so much oil of oregano?
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I used to just mainline oil.
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I can't tell if you're joking because you had a weird period in your life.
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You could have actually been an essential oils guy.
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I don't remember three years.
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Those three might be those.
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Those are your oil of oregano.
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Until the FDA lowered the limit, I was blind out of my mind.
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I will say, I don't know if oil of oregano is something that everyone needs in their
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daily routine in the same way that vitamin C is definitely.
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Yeah, oil of oregano is a real thing.
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Is it?
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He might've made that up.
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No, it's one of these essential oils.
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It's in the category with the FDA of things that are like, generally, it doesn't hurt
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you.
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Sure.
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So I don't think it's controlled by the FDA because it's just like, yeah, it's fine.
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Because the supplement industry is like, we're going to give you a million dollars if you
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leave us alone.
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It's a tell that that's on Alex's list.
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Yeah.
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Vitamin C and oil of oregano.
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Couldn't just come up with another vitamin?
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B11.
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Say B11.
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No one's going to follow up.
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Iron.
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Nobody even knows if B11 is a thing.
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So Alex gets to talking about salt.
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Hey, he's so stupid.
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If you're watching on TV, you can look at this or just go to the local supermarket and
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go look at any major salt that isn't naturally occurring.
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The natural ones have good iodine and other trace minerals and elements in them.
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Come on now.
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It says this salt does not supply iodine, unnecessary nutrients.
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Says it right.
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And why is that?
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Because the feds pressured him in the 20s.
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Iodine in the salt.
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Because of literally millions of people being born mentally retarded from not having iodine
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in the womb, which is on record, will cause all sorts of problems and lower IQs after
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birth and goiter.
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That's people that look like their job of the hut, which is huge things hanging under
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their necks where you look like a human worm.
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Africa is devastated by this.
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China is devastated by it.
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China, in many areas, puts iodine in the water.
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So this doesn't happen because it's just a plague of diseases and degenerative problems.
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Now, that's a fact.
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The feds, by the 70s, basically said, remove it or we'll come after you.
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Remove iodine in the salt.
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Isn't that loving of them?
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So the feds in the 70s were like, get that iodine out of the salt.
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We've been fighting you since the 20s.
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We got the untouchables over here who had to switch things up now, finally in the 70s
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under the Carter administration, which Alex hates desperately.
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True.
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But also the Chinese are putting iodine in their water to keep this from happening,
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which is good, but they put fluoride in their water, which is bad.
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So you never know.
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I mean, look, iodine deficiency is a real problem.
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Yeah, we've discussed this.
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Yeah, totally.
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But here's the thing.
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The reason that salt that Alex has from McCormick's, he's rambling about this.
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The reason it doesn't have iodine in it is because it's sea salt.
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You'll find the same warnings on containers of Morton sea salts, as well as just about
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any sea salt that you're going to find on the market.
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Sure.
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The reason for this is that sea salt and table salt are produced differently.
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And because of how the sea salt market operates, it's a product that generally is subject
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to as little processing as possible.
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The salt comes from evaporating water, which leaves flakes of salt, which retain some of
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the minerals and characteristics of the source that they come from.
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Table salt, conversely, is generally the product of mining salt deposits, and it's a much
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less niche product, so it can have iodine added easily in the processing stages, and
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it generally still does.
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If you go buy any table salt, it'll almost always be iodized salt.
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But table - but sea salt generally isn't.
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I agree with Alex in as much as maybe there should be better messaging to the world that
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sea salt doesn't contain iodine.
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But I'm not sure I can go along with his imagining that this confusion is leading to any kind
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of large-scale iodine deficiency in the United States, because it's just not.
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Every day I'm walking around in all these hipster neighborhoods.
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Even in Wrigleyville, you walk around, you have all these people wondering why they've
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got iodine deficiencies, you can't go to a bar and get iodized salt, Dan.
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All bars, sea salt covered.
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Sea salt covered.
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You have a margarita?
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Sea salt!
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Well, I mean, to an extent, there is a reality that sea salt became a bit of a craze, and
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it probably did have at least some effect on iodine levels.
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Now, I'm not positive if it reached any kind of crisis point, but it is a factor, and if
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people aren't careful and only eat sea salt...
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Right, right.
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You get a tulip problem.
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You're in Denmark all over again.
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The reality is also salt, that's not the only thing that provides iodine.
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You can eat seafood, milk, yogurt, eggs, even some breads, and get all the iodine that you
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need to maintain proper health.
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There are definitely serious problems that can occur from iodine deficiency, and it's
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a problem that's important in the developing world particularly.
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But this is not an issue the way Alex makes it out to be, particularly not for his audience.
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Again, this is an example of Alex working to try and convince his audience that there's
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something wrong with them that they didn't even realize, which he can provide the solution
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to.
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Because I know that his business model relies heavily on selling iodine supplements, it's
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hard not to see this as an intentionally predatory act.
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Like, he's going through all this stuff about health things, and so much of it is just convincing
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his audience that there's an underlying problem they didn't know they had that he can provide
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a placebo solution for.
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And it's pretty shitty.
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Yeah, everybody feels bad sometimes.
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Taking advantage of that and just giving them this like, nah, nah, nah, what it really is
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is your iodine deficiency to eat all this salt, and that'll do it for you.
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Put this supplement down your gullet and you won't feel depressed.
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Yeah.
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So Alex claimed, you know, he said that he's going to tell us everything in the world there
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is to know about soil.
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Yes.
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And he doesn't really, but he does mention an article.
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Oh, that's close.
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So let me show you some of the articles.
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Let me show you the facts.
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Number one, dirt poor.
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This is the Scientific American, because you get some good studies out there.
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Dirt poor.
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Have fruits and vegetables become less nutritious?
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And they go on to break down major studies going back in the last 100 years from the
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University of Texas at Austin Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry in the Journal
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of the American College of Nutrition and Agriculture Nutritional Data from 1950 to 1999
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with 43 different fruits and vegetables.
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And they're looking at studies before that and what is in them metrically by numbers,
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real studies.
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They are debilitated in some cases by 98% vitamins, minerals.
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I have no idea where Alex is getting those numbers from because they aren't in that
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Scientific American article.
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This is an article that's part of their column Earth Talk, where readers can send in questions
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which their writers will then answer.
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This question had to do with whether or not fruits and vegetables were more nutritious
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50 years ago, and as it turns out, the answer is yes, but probably not to the extent Alex
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is reporting.
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The article cites an analysis by the Cushi Institute, which found that there was a 27%
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drop in calcium levels in 12 fresh vegetables they studied, as well as a 37% drop in iron,
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21% drop in vitamin A, and 30% drop in vitamin C.
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Did they finally get off their ass and do a study?
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Wow.
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Experts believed that this was a result of focusing on agricultural practices that are
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meant to expand yield and crop size while ignoring processes that could be done that
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would enrich soils.
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The article discusses ways to push back against this, like alternating fields between growing
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seasons and embracing organic growing methods in order to rehabilitate soils.
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Scientific American actually revisited this topic in 2018 to discuss new findings in the
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research.
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As it turns out, a new paper had been published in the journal Scientific Advances, which
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found that, quote,
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"...concentrations of essential nutrients decreased in 18 strains of rice after being
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exposed to increased carbon dioxide levels in the experiment."
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Okay, so climate change.
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From the Scientific American article, quote,
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"...agricultural scientists have known for some time that our food has been getting less
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nutritious, but they thought it was only due to a byproduct of modern farming methods,
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soil overuse which leads to mineral depletion, or breeders favoring high-yield varieties
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which sacrifices nutrition for size."
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Meanwhile, plant researchers working over the last couple of decades were finding something
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surprising, that elevated carbon dioxide also contributes to lowering mineral content in
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plants.
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The plant and agricultural scientists each had pieces of the puzzle, but no one put two
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and two together to fully explain the nutrient depletion phenomenon until recently.
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"...there's some evidence emerging that a large factor in nutrient decline in soils
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and plants has to do with excess CO2.
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The plants need CO2 to grow, in the same way we need calories, but if we have too many
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calories, we become less healthy.
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There are some who are suggesting that the same is true for plants and CO2."
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There are real issues here, and there are issues that are particularly important, again,
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for people in the developing world, but Alex doesn't care about any of the real-world
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aspects of this.
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Oh no. He's using this as a prop to sell his supplements, and it becomes really clear,
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because Anthony Gucciardi comes in, and it's all just a fucking infomercial.
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Okay, so I've gone over some of that for you.
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Anthony Gucciardi is coming in now just to cover a few of the angles, and obviously,
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I promote and sell vitamins and minerals that I've used, that I believe in, that have
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done wonders in my life.
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And everybody that's used them, you've heard the calls, not one negative call on our
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proprietary nation iodine. It's blown away.
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Of course it is.
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This is insane, man. This is like an hour of his show is spent with this weird, like,
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I'm going to tell you all about the soil, which is all a prelude to getting into talking
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with Anthony Gucciardi, which is all just an infomercial for his supplement line.
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Man.
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I was shocked.
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That's synergy. That's really naked capitalism, you know?
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I was shocked by it, because it's like a lot of this show. It's a lot. I was shocked
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because it's simultaneously more appropriate and crass-er.
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Yes.
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It's both compared to how Alex markets things today.
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Yeah.
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It's so, it's very, very pretending to not be an ad while it's an ad.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But there's less, like, desperation to it. That's the weird balance, the similarity
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and the difference.
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There is, it is almost more, like, skating by back then than it is now just absolute,
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like, I need money. I need money. I need money. And back here, they're kind of, like, almost
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giving you a little wink, like, hey, listen, if you don't want to take your vitamins, that's
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fine. You're going to die all the time if you listen to what the FDA says. And I'm going
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to talk about that for the next hour.
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I think you can also see-
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Also, you're going to need to buy these vitamins from somewhere, so I'm going to talk about
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where you can buy them from for the next hour.
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I think you can also see how, like, it would probably be more profitable, too.
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Totally.
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I have to imagine he's making more money on this method.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So anyway, like I said, this is all just an infomercial.
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You know, there's one reason I tend to get madder and madder as a three-hour show goes
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on each day? I don't like to work. And that's because I'm looking at the federal, state,
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and university studies on the soils being 99% debilitated. I'm looking at the brain
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damage numbers in utero of the humans developing and then after. I'm waiting in the documentation.
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They're taking the good stuff out of the food and putting the bad stuff in it.
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This is just all, like, narratives and little darts he's throwing in order to lead people
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down the path to his supplements. It's just disgraceful.
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Yeah.
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So I'm not even going to play any clips of Gucciardi in there because it's basically
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what you'd expect. It's just, you know how, like, when we went back to 2015, we were looking
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at it and Dr. Group would come in for, like, an hour and they'd talk about... It's the
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same thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Gucciardi leaves and Alex starts rambling and he's talking about how everyone's stupid.
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Sure, sure.
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And man, like, this just felt unnecessarily cruel.
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Our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa
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and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries. So we will be able to build up our future.
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Thank you very much.
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And listen, I'm gonna tell you the deal. She's a very beautiful young lady. I don't find her
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attractive. A beautiful woman that is smart, very attractive. That is, that woman is so
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ugly. And you know she'll end up being a trophy wife for some globalist executive who stole all
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their money. That's what he wants. A wife that is literally nothing but a biological android
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sexbot who can't tie her shoelaces.
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Alex is complaining about people being dumb, so he plays that clip of the contestant from
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the Miss Teen USA pageant who gave that unfortunately incoherent answer to a question she was posed
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on stage. I have a number of problems with this. The first is that this woman was 18
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years old and on a huge stage being asked a question that she clearly didn't understand
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and she had to respond to quick. Sure, it was a bad meandering answer, but it's really
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cruel to judge someone so harshly for it considering all the variables. Any of us on a bad day
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under a certain amount of stress could end up finding ourselves saying something equally
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embarrassing and it's kind of mean to define someone by that embarrassing moment, particularly
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when it's a person that's so young. The mockery and shaming about this moment was really severe
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for this woman. She said, quote, I definitely went through a period where I was very, very
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depressed, but I never let anybody see that stuff except people I could trust. I had some
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very dark moments where I thought about committing suicide. Second, this was from the 2007 Miss
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Teen USA pageant and this episode of Alex's show is from 2013. It seems like he's digging
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pretty far back just to take an unnecessary swing at this woman. Also, just because it's
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fun, after this contestant who is South Carolina's Caitlin Upton went viral with this unfortunate
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answer and the video of her at the pageant got 15 million views on YouTube, she was signed
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to a contract with a modeling agency worth up to $30,000 a day. That modeling agency
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was owned by Donald Trump, who also owned the pageant at that time. We're doing great.
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Also, another one of Alex's current heroes, Tucker Carlson, had some particularly unsavory
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things to say about Miss Upton as well. Appearing on an episode of Bubba the Love Sponge's
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radio show, Tucker said, quote, she'd probably be a pretty good wife. If you had a wife that
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dumb, would it be a good or bad thing? Tucker was 38 at the time. I don't understand how
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many 40-year-old white dudes with a giant platform that they can talk to millions of
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people want to shit on an 18-year-old girl at a teen pageant. What are you expecting?
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She's at a fucking pageant. What I think is really interesting is Alex at the end there
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is like, she's going to end up a trophy wife for some globalist. Tucker Carlson. Now Alex
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loves Tucker Carlson. Of course. And loves Donald Trump, who signed her to a contract
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immediately. Yeah, the world is... How weird. It's a marae of old white men shitting all
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over women. That's kind of a... But how weird is that direct line? Very strange. I swear
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I'm not a witch. What's the point? Alex has another guest. Sure. He had Gucci. He had
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the Gucci already. He had the Gucci. Uh-huh. To talk of just selling shit. Yeah. And now
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he has another guest, which is also just another person that Alex makes money off of. Ted Anderson
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with a mustache? No. All right, we're joined for the balance of the hour by Matt Dubiel,
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a guy I've had a chance to meet a couple times at Austin. He's had us on for a couple of years
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now on his fine station. He manages WCKG in Chicago, 1530. WCKG.com. They got a power-packed
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lineup there. Alex is his Chicago affiliate guy, the guy who owns the radio station on.
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Yeah, Dubious, Dubiel. What is this show? Come on. Hey. It's always nice to hear WCKG.
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Because then I think, you know, I think of Serengeti's song, favorite actor,
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Danahy, come on. Sure. Matt Dubiel is someone who has shown up over years on Alex's show. He's
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somebody who like just periodically will pop in. Yeah, we've talked about him in the past. I think
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his station is actually one of the, it might be literally the only station I could find in the
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country that plays Owen Schroyer and David Knight's shows. Really? I think it might be the only
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affiliate for those. Now? I don't know if now, but the last time I looked into it, like six months
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ago or so. Wow. Thanks, Dubiel. Yeah, this guy sucks. I guess the premise is that he's supposed
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to be on to talk about what life is like under Rahm Emanuel. Sure, sure. Great. I mean, bad,
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I don't know. He lives in the burbs. Yeah. So I don't care about his perspective on local politics,
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but he does say a couple interesting things. Okay. You know, it's like you said, there's a lot of
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good things about Chicago. I went to the Bears game the other night, Monday Night Football,
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and Ditka's number was retired and it was a big deal and I had free tickets so we went. There was
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nobody there. No one. Now, it was cold. It gets cold here in Chicago, but that doesn't typically
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stop Chicago Bears fans from going to Chicago games. I saw the same thing happen at the
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Cleveland Pittsburgh game the other day where the Pittsburgh stadium was darn near empty. Well,
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why is that? Why is it that all of the storefronts that are for lease, the retail spaces are empty?
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Something is going on and it's not by accident, I don't think. Chicago's starting to feel a lot
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like Detroit these days. So this is a Monday night game on December 9th, 2013. The attendance at that
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game, no one was there. No one was there. The attendance was 62,209. Yeah, but look. Soldier
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Field fits 80,000, I believe. Give or take, yeah. So that's practically nobody. That wasn't the
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highest attendance for the season, but it's higher than the first three games of the season, the
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first two of which were at home games in Chicago. This number of attendance is right about average
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for the past 12 years, at least. There's nothing discernible that's out of the ordinary about the
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turnout for that football game. I kind of think maybe one of Matt's friends just didn't want to
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go with him and this is how he's processing it. Could be. According to the Chicago Tribune, it was
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8 degrees that night with a start time of 740. Balmy 8 degrees, though. That factor alone could
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explain like the 1,000, 2,000 less people showing up. You've been 8 degrees, Dan. Also, the average
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attendance at Detroit Lions games is actually higher than Bears games, so I don't know what
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he's saying about Detroit. Anyway. I'm such a huge fan of how uncurious these people are, you know?
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Like why does it feel like, why are you asking so many eminently answerable questions only to imply
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something instead of actually looking for an answer? And that was a question that was an
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implication that I already know the answer to. You see the empty seats and you're like, there's no one
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here. There's nobody here. Instead of thinking like, maybe it's really hard to sell out. Yeah.
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80,000 is a lot of people to get in any one place. When it's 8 degrees out. When it's 8 degrees out.
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Yeah. Like that was almost even like him calling out Chicago's identity is like, oh,
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Bears fans aren't even real Bears fans anymore. Like screw you. Yeah. I don't care. He's from the
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burbs. Also, you shouldn't be a Bears fan anymore. And NFL is evil. Fair enough. Et cetera. So Matt
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takes his kids on road trips. They go drive across the country, which I can relate to. I've gone
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across the country a number of times. He complains about some stuff here. I've got kids ranging from
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11. My youngest is going to be two in February. And every year we take a summer road trip. We
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drive around the country, the great United States of America. And the last two years we did a loop
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to loop. We went through Ohio and we went down to Nashville and this last summer Jersey and back.
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And as we drove through, I saw firsthand the America that most of us don't see.
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Most of the people in Austin don't see it. We live in very privileged areas. The rest of the
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country looks like a bomb fell on it. The rest of the country looks like it's third world. The
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rest of the country is decapped. It's completely destroyed. You got billboards where companies just
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stopped advertising on them because nobody's driving down that highway. The paper's blowing
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in the wind and I'm driving through there and I'm thinking to myself, my gosh, boy, when my
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grandparents took my father and his brothers and sisters around the country to the Grand Canyon and
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stuff, there was the majesty and the wonderment of traveling down Route 66 and seeing these great
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little shops and these great little restaurants and these great diners. Where is it? I don't know
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where it is. I got a couple things to say about this. These are the guys who are supposed to be
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like, L.A. and New York elites think everything is flyover country. And you're like, everywhere
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in America looks like there was a bomb. It's a bomb zone. Destroy it. It's a nightmare. Everywhere
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but the flyover states are disgusting. Strange. Come on down to Chicago. Super weird. Love Chicago.
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Burbs. Super weird for this guy to have that approach and Alex be like, yeah, totally. So my
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first point that I want to make is that this dude's purely talking about the aesthetic view
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that he's captured from driving along interstate highways. Yes. Sure, things look pretty bleak if
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all you're seeing are old billboards and like out of date gas stations, but that isn't the full
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picture of the other America. There's a whole lot that's just a little ways off those highways
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that's vibrant, which you totally miss if you're only seeing what's right next to the road. Maybe
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the fact those billboards are empty. Maybe that's not a sign that no one uses those roads anymore.
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Maybe it's a sign that they never should have been built in the first place. Maybe they maybe it's
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just like, hey, fuck those billboards. Let's take them down. You know, the Chicago School of
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Economics is insane, but they did use the how many billboards are filled metric of how the United
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States was doing. Yeah. GDP dropped way down. Oh, no. It's real bad. Maybe the fact that there are
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all these rundown gas stations around is a reflection of how much better our cars are than
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when they those highways were first built. Maybe maybe you don't need those. Maybe no one stops
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at them because we get much better gas mileage. Well, you know, stopping every 10 to 12 miles was
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really good for the local economies. It was every 10 to 12 miles. It was. Yeah. And that's what Route
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66 was. That's basically the idea. It was a huge deal in the early 1900s because it was a road that
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connected Chicago and California, but it stopped being nearly as important once other roads began
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being built and our highway system came into place early on. Its dominance as a cross-country road
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allowed businesses to prosper along it because people had to use it to make that kind of trip.
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Ever since the passage of the Interstate Highway Act of 1956, Route 66 has gradually become less
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important. Now it's really, you know, it's just a thing. You know, there's some stretches. Sometimes
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you go on historic Route 66. Everybody sees it. It's been like read adjusted over and over again.
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It's not even the same thing it was. I'd like, yes, I just tire of all of these people's harkening
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back to a past thing. They idealize. They used to be great, Dan. It's not a system that would really
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have any function nowadays. The idea of like prosperous businesses everywhere along a highway
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is not something that really would exist in the modern world. No, it's silly. It's something that
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existed because of necessity and opportunity at a time when cars were much less sophisticated
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and there were less roads. And no small amount of resistance to the idea of building
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railways. Cheap, renewable energy railways. There's a hundred factors to it and I don't care
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about taking seriously the opinion of somebody who's only on this show because he does, he allows
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Alex to syndicate on his station and makes Alex a bunch of money. If you are a right-wing reactionary,
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Dan, there's one thing that unites all of them. They hate roads. They like the roads of the past.
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They hate the roads of the future. The roads of the future are terrifying. So Matt Dubiel comes
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and goes. Now we get another guest and this guy sucks. He's just on to talk about the TPP, the
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Trans-Pacific Partnership. And it's actually kind of an illuminating interview, but not because of
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the interview, but because it happens. Now let me tell you who William F. Jasper is as he joins us.
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He's a graduate of the University of Idaho and joined the staff of the John Birch Society in
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1976 as a researcher and current senior editor of The New American. So The New American is the
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publication that The American Opinion, which is the original John Birch Society publication,
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became. And so this dude is just a big old bircher from way back, like high end bircher.
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And when Alex, like he likes to pretend that he's not just a John Birch Society guy, but he is.
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He is 100%. And whenever Alex interacts with a JBS guy, that comes out like this.
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And he joins us to break down the de facto world corporate government. First time I learned about
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this in 21 in 1992 from William F. Jasper. First time I learned about the UN and these
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biospheres, William F. Jasper. And so he joins us now. So much of Alex's intellectual lineage
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very clearly comes from propaganda that was put out by the John Birch Society. So I mean,
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it's almost comical to me, like the idea that he knows well enough to pretend most of the time
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to not really be associated with the John Birchers. But he is. First time I heard about
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William F. Jasper is when my dad was abusing me with his book, and I decided to start reading it
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immediately following the literary child abuse. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex just makes clear
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that his lineage traces back directly to the Birch. They're authoritarian dirt bags,
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and the Republican leadership is bought off by him. That's why we got George P. Bush saying
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he's a Tea Partier now. They want to absorb the Tea Party that comes out of the JBS and the New
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American and Ron Paul and then Alex Jones and everybody else after that. We're not radicals.
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They say we're radicals all day. They're the radicals usurping our republic. We sound crazy
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because we're covering their crazy authoritarian agenda. Or there's another possibility. There's
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one more. What have we got? They're fucking crazy. Yeah. There might be a wild out there
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anti-communist... They call us radicals, and just because we believe in all the nonsense
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John Bircher stuff, it's like, what are you talking about? John Birch Society. Makes sense.
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Sure. So he's like, yeah, they think that we sound crazy because we're talking about their crazy.
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Yeah. And Alex uses a shitty example. I told you all the crazy stuff about Nero. I'd sound crazy,
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but I'm not Nero. I'm telling you what Nero did. Marrying his horse, everything else.
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Wait, what? We bought them in bulk and offer it at the lowest listed retail price anywhere
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to document what's happening with the police, bureaucrats, wildlife, you name it. That's an
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Infowarsstore.com. So Alex is selling dash cams... Getting in on his dash cam game....in order to
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keep wild police at bay. Gotta stop him. Which is interesting because that's not certainly a
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concern that he has in the present day, trying to get his audience to wear dash cams in order
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to protect themselves from police. Also, I love the idea that it's like, you know, we got to keep
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up on wildlife. Get those dash cams, just keep up with wildlife. Yeah, of course. You want to see
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some deer. See how they're doing. So also, I should tell you that Nero didn't marry his horse.
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No, that wasn't him. The incorrect legend about Nero is that he married his mother,
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who was Caligula, who was said to have made his horse his consort and also tried to make his
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horse a senator. But a lot of that is probably not really historically accurate. No. Alex can't
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even keep his ahistorical gossip straight. Yeah. Furthermore, specifically, am I completely wrong
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in thinking that Nero was who the Book of Revelations was written specifically about?
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People believe that. That's about, yeah. I could be completely wrong, but I think it's
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an interpretation. I think it's just interesting that he would specifically bring up talking about
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how evil and insane Nero was being crazy when his favorite book is talking about how evil and
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insane Nero was. One of the things that's also interesting to note is the absence of explicit
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religious evangelism. Yeah, there's that. I mean, it's gone without notice in our conversation so
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far, but there is no begging people to accept Jesus on this episode. All right, here's what
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we're gonna do. I am going to tell you all of the facts about soil, specifically the stuff that
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Jesus died on. I'm not positive. I heard anything about pedophile networks. I don't think I heard
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anything about demons, the globalists secretly taking orders from trans-dimensional beings.
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I heard nothing about the evil trans agenda. No explicit homophobia really stuck out to me.
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I mean, maybe some mild racism, but it's Alex. Yeah, you would expect that. Yeah, it's kind of
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not too surprising. I'm starting to think that maybe his wildest stuff now is that is not so
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much a view of what's outside so much as a reflection of what's happening to him. That's
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very interesting. I think you would say that. I'm not a trained psychologist. Yeah, well,
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call Steve Petchenik, see what he thinks. Okay, will do. So here, I don't care about this interview
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with William Jasper, except for the piece of information that comes from it that is really
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fascinating that Alex is keenly aware that a lot of his ideas come from the John Birch Society,
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and that that is where his political roots are. He knows that. He pretends it's not the case.
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So he's trying to sell things in this interview, too. He wants to sell books by Skousen,
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and he wants to sell Tragedy and Hope, Carol Quigley's book that Alex believes lays out all
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the globalist machinations and all their plans. He makes a startling admission. So he's trying
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to sell this book. He has it for sale at Infowars. Okay. Yeah, you can buy Tragedy and Hope there.
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It's a very large book. It's 1100 pages. Now, Alex makes a startling admission. This is in 2013.
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He's been on the air since 1995. So we're clocking in at, what is that, 18 years at this point?
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It's available at Infowarsstore.com and then Tragedy and Hope that's, I don't know, 1100 pages
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or so that I see on William F. Jasper's bookshelf on Skype. You're watching us on TV where the
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Georgetown political science professor, Bill Clinton's mentor, who he thanked in the State
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of the Union, admits they control liberalism, fake conservatism, fascism, and the Trilateral
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Commission, and all of it is meant to bring in world corporate government. And that it's only meant
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to look like there's the illusion of choice in politics. I'm paraphrasing quotes. This book,
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and I've actually read almost the whole thing. When I say that, I probably read 800 pages of it
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over the years because, I mean, I skip over some of the more little factoid inside baseball stuff.
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The factoid. What? Wait, wait, wait. Inside baseball stuff? What are we talking about?
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This is supposed to be the globalist inside master plan. Shouldn't you be mostly focused
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on the inside baseball stuff? Listen, I'm not really a palace intrigue guy
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with the globalists. I'm more of a hard, hard information guy.
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From my experience with Alex, this tells me he's read four pages of this, maybe?
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Maybe. Maybe.
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He hasn't read any of this book. Maybe. Get the fuck out of here. There's
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a lot of inside baseball. Go fuck yourself.
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This reminds me of how I always acted about Infinite Jest.
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Oh, yeah. I've read most of it. I've read most of it. That means I've read 20 pages,
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something like that. I don't know. I can't do it.
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I think my favorite, the way I view about most of those books is Andy Daley is L. Ron Hubbard.
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Whenever he's like, and you're going to read something from your book. And he's like,
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I tried to read it and I could not make hide nor hair of it. That's the way I've always treated
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those books. But I always wanted to give the impression that I'd read more of it,
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because I felt like it was something that I should have read. And so I always sort of acted like
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that. Whereas, Alex needs to have read all of this. There is no excuse why in 1995,
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Alex wouldn't read it twice. There's no reason why he wouldn't study this thing.
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Like it's the Zapruder film in book form. It's supposed to be the inside revelation
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of exactly what the globalists are, their plans, their histories, the most important book
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of all of these. And Alex in 2013 is saying, I'm almost there.
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I might have skipped. I might have skipped a third of it.
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800 pages over 18 years averages out to about eight words per day.
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This is unacceptable. I mean, it's just straight unacceptable. There's no way,
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if you're giving this facade that you're supposed to be given if you're Alex,
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that you don't say I've read every word of that book. The only reason to say I've read 800 pages
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of it is because everyone knows you don't read shit. You're just trying to make it more believable.
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Yeah, 1100 is unbelievable.
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Yeah, you're trying to make your lie more believable by being like, eh, I've read most
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of it. Much like me with Infinite Jest. But the thing is, I'm admitting that I was lying
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about reading Infinite Jest. Alex is lying too.
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What if one of those inside baseball passages is literally Carol Quigley being like, dude,
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I am totally fucking with somebody. I don't know who's going to read this book later on.
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That guy is fucked.
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Yeah. So that was fun. I enjoyed that. That was a really bleak moment of confirmation for me
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about how much Alex is just making shit up.
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I wonder if he's finished it.
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I'm going to guess no.
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Seven years on. I think he's got time.
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I think he's not a reader at this point, and he is much less now.
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Probably.
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But we now get to the piece de resistance for this episode, and that is Larry Klayman.
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Hey, buddy.
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Alex teased it at the beginning, and he pays it off at the end.
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Free to watch USA.org. Larry Klayman was the founder of Judicial Watch. I remember interviewing
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him back in the mid nineties, right to 2000. Then when Bush got in, he criticized and sued
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over unconstitutional activities there. And now he has really turned up the heat with Obama,
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because it's just the orgy of Constitution violations has become dictator level.
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Yes, we're very concerned about having to admit that. So he's a real trailblazer.
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And I'm very thankful that he was able to give us ten minutes today. He joins us live.
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Alex has to take scraps. He has to take ten minutes scraps from playing.
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Grateful to Larry Klayman.
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Yeah, he loved Larry Klayman back then, man. This is this. I mean, I already kind of knew this,
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but it's just fun to wallow around in the mud a little bit. But the turn is serious.
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It's stark.
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It's like, I love this guy to the point where I mean, he's in overdrive, too. So this is past
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when his show is supposed to end. This is past the three hour mark. So he's extending the show
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because Larry could give him ten minutes. Oh, yeah, he loves it.
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Oh, man.
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But there's a reason. And that's because Larry recently got involved in a little bit of a
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lawsuit. It's one of the only times in his career that things have looked kind of good.
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You could say that every day of his career. He recently got involved in a little bit of a lawsuit.
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This one is one that like, you know how when like Ron Paul won a couple of the caucuses?
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Sure, sure, sure.
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It had the appearance that like, huh?
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The crazies were like, oh, this is our chance, man. We're going to do it this time.
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December 16th, 2013 was that day.
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Here's the headline. CNN judge NSA domestic phone data mining unconstitutional. Who brought the
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case? Who won it when everybody else has been failing? Larry Klayman. And then if you continue
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politicos as Larry Klayman crows on NSA win, we hit the mother lode. I'm glad he's proud of
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defending the Republic.
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So Klayman had just won this lawsuit titled Klayman versus Obama, which resulted in a judge
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ruling that NSA bulk surveillance was unconstitutional. Nothing was done, however,
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because any kind of injunction was stayed on the assumption that the government would
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almost certainly appeal. When this reached the circuit court, the decision was vacated because
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Klayman couldn't prove that his records were collected, which meant he didn't have standing
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to bring the complaint. He was the lawyer and the plaintiff.
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I was hoping it was because he wrote most of that in a very overused crayon.
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Larry added someone to the lawsuit who did theoretically have standing. But then in 2017,
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the district court dismissed the suit entirely. In 2019, the decision was reaffirmed and this
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did not do anything.
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Yeah, it didn't go anywhere.
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No. But also that program that he was suing over was ended by the time this was going on.
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This is just him trying to get attention out of Snowden.
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Yeah, he's trying to get some juice.
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When Snowden came out with his revelations, Larry filed suit the next day. He's trying
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to ride that wave, basically. And he got pretty lucky here in this 2013 verdict, or this decision
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from the judge. But with all hindsight, it ultimately was meaningless, but looked really
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good, which is why Alex is forced to take his scraps. Because Larry, at this point...
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He's going everywhere.
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Well, but I mean, also, if you're someone like Alex, at this point, you might have every
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reason to think, like, Larry fucking actually got one here.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This could be huge.
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We're on the ground floor of what's going to turn out to be the...
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And it ultimately was nothing.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Larry Clayman did nothing. He's an embarrassment. And in June 2020, he had his license to practice
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law suspended for 90 days, which unfortunately, Jordan could get in the way of his $20 trillion
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lawsuit against China.
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I don't think so.
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Over COVID-19.
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Yeah, he didn't lose his license to practice law in China. I'm sure that it can still work.
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I have no idea. I don't think that's going to go anywhere. Anyway, here's Larry talking
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about... He's humble. He's staying grounded.
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That doesn't sound right.
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No, I'm not equating myself with Jesus Christ. I'm not in his league, obviously.
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No, but I'm holding you up as somebody that took action and won.
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All right. I love the idea that Larry is like, hey, I'm not comparing myself to Jesus Christ,
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but... And then Alex is like, no, I'm holding you up as an example of someone who...
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Alex is pushing back on Larry, not comparing himself to Jesus.
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You know, it seems more egotistical and narcissistic to compare yourself to Jesus
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Christ. But I'm really glad he didn't go with Rosa Parks here or Martin Luther King Jr.
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This is where they do it. This is where they take that shot where they're like,
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I'm going to steal Rosa Parks. It's way more insane for them to try and steal Rosa Parks.
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Sure.
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Jesus didn't really do much, but died, right?
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Wait a second.
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He just died.
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Wait a second.
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Ah, those miracles are fake.
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It's a matter of perspective.
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That guy just had some dirt in his eyes.
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Okay, come on, man. I know you're on Lenny Bruce mode over here trying to take down the deities.
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All right, all right. I'm coming for him. I'm coming for him.
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He's so edgy, Jordan, with your anti-religious material.
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Ah, that's what I've been banking on.
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Oh, so I don't care about Larry's appearance much because it's just him being like,
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yeah, I'm pretty great. I'm pretty great.
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And we're very excited to keep going and we're going to take Obama out and whatever.
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It all didn't work out in hindsight.
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There's one last clip and that's just to really bring home the fun of Alex just loving Larry
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Clayman and knowing in the present day, Larry is trying to destroy Alex and InfoWars.
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They don't like him because he really believes in what he's doing.
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And none of us are perfect, but he really believes in what he's doing and he's a good guy.
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Has a lot of courage.
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That's what you say when someone is on the right team for you at the time.
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Yeah, he's a great guy. He's got a lot of courage.
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Now let's...
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Piece of shit. I hope he dies tomorrow. Don't care. Don't care. Let him on fire.
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Roger yelling at him in a deposition about the computers and...
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Where's the list, Larry?
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Larry just fucking going to town on him.
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So that brings us to the end of this.
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It was a really interesting thing to go into because it's so trivial in a lot of ways.
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Going back into this 2013 episode, there's like...
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It's mostly an infomercial for his supplements couched under the guise of,
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A, the soil's bad.
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Yeah. And then you've got these weird interviews with his station guy from Chicago,
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the John Birch weirdo, and Larry Klayman.
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Boyle, Jasper, and Klayman.
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Dubielle.
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Yeah, Dubielle. That's it.
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Yeah, but none of them rise to the level of really interesting.
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The interview with Matt Dubielle, I just would scrap.
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I don't care. I don't care about you doing interviews with someone who airs your show.
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Yeah. That's useless.
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No, that's terrible.
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Anthony Gucciardi is like, this is just brokered programming, basically, for your supplement line.
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The Jasper interview, just fill in the blank with any conservative yelling about TPP.
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It's not really that interesting.
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And then Larry Klayman is just embarrassing.
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But it's a nice retreat.
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It's a nice reprieve from the present day of Alex being a depressed husk of a person.
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Calling for outright murder.
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Well, yeah, and lying about things that have such a real-world impact on our lives.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You know, maybe not actually, but the topics do.
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We are living in a time that is, our lives are touched and affected by
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things like the Black Lives Matter protests.
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Sure.
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The conversation that's happening around those is really relevant, and it matters.
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The COVID-19 situation and whether or not people take things seriously
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and adhere to some limited measures.
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That's important.
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It's relevant.
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It touches our lives.
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And it becomes really difficult to have a show that's as lighthearted and fun as I want it to
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be a lot of the time because it's like, hey, tomorrow, any number of people who listen to
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this show, someone might get hurt indirectly by something that we're talking about.
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Like someone could get COVID-19 or someone could have a loved one who could get sick.
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And maybe, you know, unfortunately have a difficult case.
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And it's really hard to not have that in your mind when we're hearing him lie about those
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sorts of topics.
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And so it can be kind of nice to look back on this time that has a little bit less stakes
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to it.
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Totally.
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Man singing, talking about soil, that's great.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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And you're still allowed to learn a little bit.
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Totally.
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Like we can learn about the evolving understanding of nutrient deficiency in soils.
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Totally.
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Sure.
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So it's worth it.
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Yeah.
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As far as the time capsule goes, it is both nice now to have the time capsule of look
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at us in the present, looking back at 2013 and being like, oh, that's right.
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I remember the show that I signed up to cover, you know, I signed up to cover weirdo John
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Burchers and soil takes, more or less.
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And then in the future, maybe we'll get back to that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it does make me realize that, you know, there should be more.
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Being able to flash back a little bit is kind of restorative in some ways.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And, you know, we'll do more.
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I don't know.
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We'll see.
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Yeah, we'll see.
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I like it.
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But happy birthday, theoretically.
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I don't know if Robert's going to play this for you on your birthday, V, but if he does,
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happy birthday.
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And I'd like to say thank you to Robert for, you know, being a fan of the show.
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We appreciate and allowing us to, you know, to be not to be overly maudlin, but to do
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this.
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This is very weird and I appreciate it.
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Yeah, happy 18th chalk mark on your cave wall.
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Maybe.
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It's nice to know that we can all celebrate that together.
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Um, and then, um, oh yeah.
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The other thing I would say is sorry that, like, I think part of the idea that Robert
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had was that, um, you know, get, get a sense of what was going on on the world on V's birthday.
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And I don't think we know that.
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No, that's not what we're here for.
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I think from looking at Alex's show, we have very little idea what was going on in the
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world at the time.
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We know that Larry Klayman just won a case.
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That's about it.
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Sorry, we can't provide more insight, but, uh, Alex doesn't always do a great job.
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No matter.
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Also, Google has robots.
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Google does have robots.
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No matter, no matter what era of Alex we're looking at, you're going to learn a lot more
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about an alternate present than you are about anything that has to do with your life.
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Yeah.
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So, um, anyway, uh, if you're listening in the present, we'll be back.
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Uh, it makes no sense to do plugs because by the time this episode is used for its proper
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purposes, we'll have taken over Google's robots and we'll be commanding.
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You have to assume Facebook and Twitter are going to be gone by then.
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Sure, sure.
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So anyway, we'll see you next time here on the podcast.
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Uh, but, uh, until then, uh, I'm a juicy ice cube.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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