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Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I'm sweating

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledge fight

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Knowledge Fight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys

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knowledge fight, Dan and Jordan,

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Knowledge Fight.

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Riddle it, riddle it.

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Aah!

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Need, I need money.

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Riddle it, riddle it.

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Riddle it!

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Andi in Kansas.

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Andy in, Andy in.

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Stop it.

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Andy in, Andy in Kansas.

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Andy, Andy in.

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It's time to pray.

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Andi in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a screech and call it I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Knowledge Fight dot com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan. Jordan. Let me ask you a quick question.

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Okay. What's your bright spot today?

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Well, I mean, I've just got to give a continuation of last time.

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I realized that I could bake chicken breasts. I got some chicken breasts. I did it.

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Still going? Have you figured out breading yet?

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Easiest fucking thing in the world.

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Yes it is.

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A world has opened up in front of me that I should.

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This is something that most people probably experience at 20, 19, maybe right when they move out.

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Sure. Maybe when they still live with their parents.

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It can happen.

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I did not have those milestones.

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And it's really fascinating to me.

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It's very exciting in some ways.

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Last night for dinner, I made some chicken and rice, chicken breasts.

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It was fine. It was marinated a bit. Just with some lemon pepper and whatever.

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Pretty basic, simple thing.

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So today for lunch, I tried to kick it up a little bit more.

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And I left it overnight last night in a bag with some soy sauce, chopped up garlic, and jalapeno.

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And it was better.

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But what I'm realizing is there's a whole world of marinades that I'm very excited to tinker with and explore.

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And I think my bright spots for the foreseeable future might end up with me cooking some stuff.

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Also in a couple days I plan to make that lasagna finally.

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Now that I have this boost of enthusiasm and feeling of a can-do spirit from cooking a chicken breast.

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I like it. I like it.

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The problem was that for so long I thought, like I mentioned, that the only way you can really cook a chicken breast is in a pan on top of the stove.

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And I would always burn them.

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And so I got to the point where I was like, I can't do this.

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It's for someone else.

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And more people do that.

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But I love a roasted chicken breast.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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So now I know that I can do this and I'm very excited and my life has changed.

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Let me tell you something.

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Wait until you figure out that you can sear it on both sides in the pan to get a nice little crust and then bake it after that.

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I've heard about this.

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Fantastic.

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I may explore that at some point in the future.

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That changed my life.

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I don't want to put all my chickens in the same pan.

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Whatever the expression is that makes it a pun.

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So I might only do some work on this front and then start to explore some other recipes that I now realize maybe I can do it.

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Absolutely.

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So that's very exciting. How about you?

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Well, I will tell you, I just had some white chocolate peanut M&M's.

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I was kind of thinking that might be what it is.

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I was really struggling to come up with a bright spot and then 20 minutes ago while we were at the store I finally had my first white chocolate M&M's.

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Fantastic. Delicious. Peanuts. Very good.

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I'm glad for you to enjoy this candy. I thought it was good, not great.

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What would it get on a seltzer?

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It would be over 50.

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I would give it a 63.

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That might be a prudent rating.

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So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over. We're talking about May 3rd and 4th, 2020. I'm glad this is 2020.

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God dammit.

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That's Sunday and Monday this week.

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Some interesting stuff goes down. Alex is very weird and, you know, he's got some problems.

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And we'll get down to business on that, but before we do we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show and do an overdue seltzer report for the year of the seltzer.

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So first, Hendo, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Hendo.

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Next, Jason, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Jason.

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Next, Jace. I won't call you Jace.

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Nobody calls anybody Jace.

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Next, Nance, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Nance.

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I wonder if that's short for Nancy.

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Ah, could be.

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Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?

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Could be.

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Next, Colin, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Colin.

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Next, oh, this is very exciting.

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What is that?

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One of my most feared enemies from Dynasty Warriors has signed up and is supporting the show.

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Lu Bu?

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Thank you so much, Lu Bu. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Lu Bu.

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Next, Andrew Jay. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Andrew Jay.

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Thank you, Andrew Jay.

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Next, and oh, Chicken Bats Run the World. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Chicken Bats Run the World.

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Who run the world? Chicken Bats.

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Chicken Bats.

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Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level, and we appreciate that very much.

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So, Jeff C., thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

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And Will W., thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Jeff C., and thank you so much, Will W.

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Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support these gents,

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you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show,

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or you can find a local charity in your area that helps people in the community who are in need and throw that support that way.

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Indeed, we would appreciate either.

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So, Jordan, like I said, you're the seltzer, quick report.

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I failed to do one on the last episode, and part of the reason was I forgot,

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and another part of the reason was I kind of been slowing down a little bit.

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Nothing stuck out to you.

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Well, there's that, and I also was slowing down a tiny bit,

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and I realized one of the reasons was because I, the last time I'd gone to the grocery store,

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I stocked up on a bunch of the different flavors of sparkling ice, and I do not like any of them.

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So there's a couple in my fridge that were waiting for me to be the next ones to try,

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and it just really became a hurdle to me being like, I don't want to do it.

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And by the way, I'm talking about the sparkling ice that has caffeine that comes in the 16-ounce can,

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not the ones that are the slim plastic bottles.

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There are like a thousand varieties of those. I'm holding off on those.

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They're easily readily available. They're all over the place,

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and if I hit a wall and need to find more things to try, those sparkling ice in the bottles are everywhere.

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They're on your back burner.

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Right. These ones in the can seemed a little bit different.

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Sure.

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They're terrible.

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And so it kind of got to a point where it was like, well, if I want something to drink,

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I still have these leftover limoncello ones, so I was drinking those, and that's not new.

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So I had little to bring to the table, although because we had a good head start,

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we're still on track for the 500.

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Okay.

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We are at 27 currently, 27 seltzers.

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We need to be at 30 by the end of this week.

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Sure.

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Which we still have plenty of time on.

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Yeah.

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And I'll say-

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I like how you're saying we.

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I feel like we're all in this together.

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I'm talking about you, I'm talking about me,

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I'm talking about the audience.

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All the wonks, everybody?

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Yes, absolutely.

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Okay.

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I've been getting a number of tweets of people with pictures of cans of seltzer.

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And by the way, my definition of seltzer, admittedly rangy.

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And I want to say this, I don't care.

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Is some of this stuff technically not seltzers?

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You bet.

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Anything carbonated, I feel like it's a seltzer.

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No, because I'm not going to go the right-

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Not a soda.

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Soda, right.

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Not a soda.

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Right.

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It's that Supreme Court definition of pornography.

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Right, right.

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I know seltzer when I see it.

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Yeah, I got you.

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I should have just called it-

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Thanks, Tipper Gore.

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What are we doing?

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I should have just called it fizzy water.

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I should have just said the year of fizzy water, but I said seltzer, and even if it's

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incorrect, we're sticking with it.

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What are we going to do?

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But I got to say, in terms of a bright spot, I've given them a shout out before, I got

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to say bubbler, B-U-B-B-L-E, no E, R, just hypo apostrophe R.

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Sure, sure.

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I've now had all of them, all of their varieties of flavors, and they're all pretty good.

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That's great.

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They have a pretty solid consistency.

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I hadn't tried them before this adventure, and I don't know if any of them rated below

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like a really admirable rating.

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The last one I tried this week was a cherry guava blender, is the name of it?

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That sounds terrible.

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It got a 76.

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Wow.

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Yeah, 76 out of 100.

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I thought it was fantastic.

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All right.

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It was really good.

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It broke the 75 threshold.

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Interesting.

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It did, yeah.

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It was pretty special.

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Okay, good.

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We'll no longer be shouting them out at all, and not a sponsor, but also I've tried all

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of them now, so there is no more to try, but as we finish the bubbler chapter, I just want

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to make it known, I've enjoyed all of them, except for maybe the blood orange, what was

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that one?

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It's a blood orange something.

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I don't know, it was mixed with something.

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Sure.

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It was fine, but it just wasn't as good as the others.

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No, no, no, no.

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Cranberry something or other.

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I'm telling you, bubbler, if you guys want to continue getting this level of free publicity,

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you better make up some new flavors real quick, otherwise you're not going to get the knowledge

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fight bump.

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Well, I mean, if they did, I would be excited to try them.

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Of course you would.

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There was also the pataya berry nectar that came in at 73.

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That was a solid one.

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That's good.

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That's good.

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That's a dragon fruit.

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That's what a pataya is, apparently.

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Pomegranate acai, that came in the mid-60s.

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What was the other one?

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The passion fruit wonder, 78.

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That one was so good.

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78 on the passion fruit wonder.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That was part of my rediscovery of passion fruit.

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Gotcha.

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So anyway, thank you so much, bubbler, for having some fine products for me to enjoy

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at the beginning of this year-long adventure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's going to be a slog in a couple of months, for sure.

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You're going to have a real long time.

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Maybe tomorrow.

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That's possible.

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That's possible.

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So this has been the year of the selfless.

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Yes.

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So, Jordan, we got this Sunday, Monday swing to get through to explore, but before we get

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to that, I want to check in on a little bit of important news that's happening in the

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increasingly sad world of Alex Jones that does not come up on his show.

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The big news that broke recently was that Alex's main lawyer in his Sandy Hook case,

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Norm Patis, withdrew from representing Alex on Monday.

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Simultaneously, Alex's other lawyer in that case, Chris Latronica, who also worked with

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Patis, also filed a motion to withdraw as his counsel.

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According to the Connecticut Post, quote, it's unclear who will now represent Jones.

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This is really bad news for Alex, and I think there's only a few possible explanations for

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what's going on.

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The most likely is that Norm Patis knows that Alex cannot pay him to continue representing

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him until the case begins jury selection in November and then proceeds for however long

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it's going to end up going on.

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This totally checks out with Alex's claims that he's likely not to be on the air in the

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not too distant future, and the, you know, a high profile media playing lawyer like Norm,

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he doesn't work for free.

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That's yeah.

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Nobody's representing Alex pro bono.

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Well, well, I mean, there might have been some sort of an arrangement between him and

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Barnes.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Because by the way, I don't know if I brought this up.

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Barnes does have his own show on Infowars now.

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No, he does not.

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I don't know if it's daily or what, but he does have his own show.

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God damn it, Barnes.

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Yeah.

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Good work.

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Good work.

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So there might have been some sort of a payment in kind situation there, publicity amplification,

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that sort of thing with him, but he's not his lawyer anymore in the Sandy Hook stuff.

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Mark Rondaza isn't either like Alex has gone through a number of folks who are all a little

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shady.

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Yeah.

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Lionel Hutz is dead.

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Unfortunately.

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Lionel nation might not be past the bar in Connecticut, although Lionel, imagine that

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the court, the Sandy Hook case starts and Lionel's theme song play Lionel, Lionel, Lionel,

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Lionel.

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Oh my God.

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He's coming in from the back.

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All right.

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We're going to hold you to contempt.

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Lionel's just like, it was worth it.

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It's totally worth it.

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I will be worth it for me.

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So that's not good.

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I mean, that's one of the big possibilities is that he, Norm knows that Alex can't pay

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for it.

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Another possibility is that he just got to the point where he hates Alex so much that

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he doesn't want to represent him.

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I think that's unlikely considering how much of a dick Alex was to him in the past that

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he put up with it.

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So my, my big sense is that the financial aspect is a strong contender and then the

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other second strong contender that I have is that Norm might've realized that that case

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was going to end with Alex losing in humiliating fashion.

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And he knew that it would be bad for his particular brand.

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It's fun and profitable to be the firebrand rebel lawyer who's supporting Alex for his

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free speech until you have to make that argument in court and fail.

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It's really good to be the lawyer who's standing up for him while you're postponing things,

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while you're saying, we're going to take this all the way to the Supreme Court, but until

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you have to make the arguments in front of a jury and a judge, that's where it kind of,

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that's where you're left holding the bag.

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And that's where you look bad if you're a lawyer like Patis.

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So I think that this might just be a thing where it's like, we can't postpone this much

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longer.

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There aren't more motions for us to make to dismiss.

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I'm going to end up seeing the inside of this courtroom and I can't do that.

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I am not going to be, I will never work again if I'm the guy who's trying to defend Alex

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on this shaky ass ground.

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So I think those are the most likely possibilities.

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Although Norm hasn't commented on it, so there's a, you know, caveat, there's a possibility

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there's an entirely other explanation, but Alex fucked his wife.

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I'm going to say that I'm not saying it's true.

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I'm just saying that people are talking, Dan.

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That's what I've been hearing.

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Wait, you, you've been talking.

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I have been hearing many voices, many voices all around this great nation.

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I saw several tweets about it just a week ago.

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It's true.

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So whatever the exact reason is that Norm withdrew, the reality is that Alex will now

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have to get a new lawyer to represent him and his options aren't great.

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So even if Alex does find somebody else to take on the case, like he's got to now completely

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get them up to speed.

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It's a huge hit.

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Yeah.

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Norm leaving was a big, like Barnes leaving or not being his lawyer anymore was one thing

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because like he had Barnes and Norm as like a sort of tag team of lawyers.

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Uh, you know, Norm, Norm was his last sort of celebrity lawyer that it was there and

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doesn't look good.

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He doesn't, uh, let's see who's a, who's a, uh, Ooh, Ooh, Ooh.

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The guy who hates Roger Stone.

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Bring him back in.

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Clayman?

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Yeah.

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Let's get Clayman in here.

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Let's really fucking climb, plumb the depths.

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We need to go spelunking for how far we can go down.

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You seem to forget that Clayman recently sued Alex and Roger.

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Exactly.

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That's why it would be genius.

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I don't think that one's going to happen, but it might be one of the few people who,

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uh, are of the inclination to, uh, to take on Alex's case.

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I look at it and I think the most likely thing is probably a combination of the money and

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the we're going to lose.

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This isn't going to be, this isn't worth it for me anymore.

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That's just my sense of it.

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But who knows?

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Also, he can't be thrilled with a Rob dues deposition.

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It might just be a delayed effect of that deposition.

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I mean, you know, to me, it's probably like the money is part of it in such a way that

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the money now allows him to do what he's always wanted to do, which is kick Alex to the curb.

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You know, now he's always hated Alex, but the money was too good.

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Now that the money might be even shaky, it's like, finally, fuck you, man.

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That kind of thing.

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So, uh, we're going to start here on the third, May 3rd, uh, Sunday's show.

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Alex starts off a little bit wobbly, um, and he's talking about how like the new world

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order is going to bring in this absolute tyranny.

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It's gonna happen.

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But the problem is that there's some people who aren't gonna go along with the plan, man.

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Now the problem is there is still be a large minority of Americans of every race, color

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and creed.

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They're not gonna go along with this, but unless there is a giant awakening now and

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a total understanding of this fraud, we don't have a snowball's chance in hell.

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We woke the world up.

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Globalism was in trouble.

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Freedom brought prosperity.

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We were turning the tide.

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The Chinese spies were being arrested.

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And then the deep state that actually set up the communist Chinese, the Rockefeller

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Foundation, who actually ran the whole lockstep program with Bill and Melinda Gates.

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I'm interested in public programs to release a bio weapon and bring in martial law.

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They're openly saying that they're going to forcibly inoculate you.

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And I told you this day one, Bill and Melinda Gates have already patented the vaccine for

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a weaponized chimera of COVID-19.

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It's already ready.

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They just wanted to make you beg for it and plead for it and show that it doesn't look

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super obvious.

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They already have it ready, but they actually patented it two years ago.

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Lockstep isn't a program and all that other stuff is Alex just making shit up.

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Yeah.

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So good.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Yeah.

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So there's a bit of news that Alex gets to pretty early on that sounds like a lie, but

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appears to be based on something that's actually real.

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And I found this to be pretty scary.

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I saw ABC News actually come out and report on the unanimous five eyes saying that it

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was a bio weapon out of the Wuhan lab.

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Now we have the author of the US law on bio weapons and the guy that prosecutes dictators

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joining us at the start of the next hour.

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He came out first in February here.

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So just real fast, Francis Boyle didn't prosecute any dictators in international court.

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According to his own bio, he was quote, involved in developing the indictment against Slobodan

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Milosevic.

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No shade on that, but it's not quite the same thing.

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And Alex is still consistently doing the, he developed our law about bio weapons that

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then was adopted by the international community as opposed to the inverse.

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So this is honestly one of the most scary roads I've traveled down while looking into

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something for this podcast.

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What Alex is talking about with the five eyes thing is something real, it appears, but what

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it actually appears to be is terrifying.

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Over the weekend, Fox News reported on an alleged research dossier that was said to

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have been put together by the five eyes intelligence Alliance.

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This article on Fox is largely about this report being critical of Chinese actions over

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the course of the outbreak in terms of the lack of transparency and of China likely knowing

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more earlier than they claim to.

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There's a good amount of discussion of the theory that the virus accidentally escaped

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from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but it's also clear that quote, no public evidence

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has yet been presented to definitively point to the lab scenario and defense sources who

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have spoken to Fox News say it's being viewed as simply one of two theories about how the

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outbreak began.

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The article is pretty explicit that no matter what theory is being believed, the lab or

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natural origin theory, quote, both scenarios are attributable to mistakes.

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There's no malicious intent behind any of it in the Fox News story.

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This Fox article is based on an article from the Daily Telegraph, a tabloid out of Australia.

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The Daily Telegraph is owned by News Corp Australia, whose parent company is News Corp,

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who also own Fox News.

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So these are tentacles of the same operation, really, so it would probably be wise to view

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them as similar things.

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In lockstep, if you will.

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This Daily Telegraph article claims that they have the actual five eyes report and while

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they did not publish it, the information they claim in it is absolutely terrifying because

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it sounds like building a case.

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Reading over this Telegraph article, there's some pretty big red flags.

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Perhaps the biggest was a reference to the 2015 UNC Chapel Hill study that Alex-

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Hooray!

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Yeah.

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That Alex uses as the pretend origin of the virus.

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This article doesn't say that this is where COVID-19 was created, but the idea is that

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it's a part of an, you know, the idea that it's a part of an intelligent assessment that's

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trying to build a case against China is incredibly scary.

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An article about this in Foreign Policy made me feel more worried, as it discussed this

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supposed intelligence report that was being touted in the media.

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This article points out that three out of the five countries involved in the five eyes

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- Australia, the UK, and Canada - have all been very clear that they do not believe

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that the virus leaked out of the lab in Wuhan.

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That leaves us and New Zealand as member states that could possibly subscribe to this theory.

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And yet, this intelligence dossier is being released under the imprint of five eyes, making

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an argument that a majority of the involved countries do not support.

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Keep in mind that Alex is specifically reporting this as unanimous, which it is not.

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I hear a samba in the distance just gently saying, Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, all over again.

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So let's make up a reason to go to war!

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The Foreign Policy article points out that everything that is in the Telegraph article

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from the dossier is stuff that, quote, consists of open-source intelligence, meaning it's

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readily available online.

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There's nothing in it that's new or would be indicative of an intelligence product or

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some sort of secret information.

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It's more of a compilation of things you can find online, which sucks.

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It's a bunch of papers from Alex's desk.

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You bet.

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They spoke with Jessica Davis, who was formerly a senior strategy analyst at the Canadian

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Security Intelligence Service, from the article, quote, Davis said that by pumping up this

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theory in the media, the Trump administration appears to be trying to draw the five eyes

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into it.

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Quote, I don't envy my Canadian former colleagues, Davis said.

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To come out and contradict the White House position is bad politics for the other five

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eyes countries, she said, quote, but then to let it stand is also unpalatable because

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then you're being used as a tool of American politicization.

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It's almost like they did that on purpose.

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I can't say this with any certainty, but this appears to me to be an attempt to point a

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finger at China by using crowdsourced theories about the origins of the coronavirus.

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I hope it's not.

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And this is just some kind of unfortunate misreporting by the telegraph.

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But if it's not, I'm seriously worried about how this all could play out.

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It would represent the first time I can think of that Infowars conspiracy theories made

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their way into a government intelligence report, which makes me shudder.

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It's totally great that Mike Pompeo came out on national television and said it was probably

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China's fault and it was a bioweapon.

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And the follow-up questions were, do you have any evidence, and the answer was, no, not

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at all.

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It's probably not a bioweapon.

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But somehow the media still reports it as, it's great.

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It's just great, Dan.

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It's just great.

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For people who read headlines, the way to go with that is definitely Mike Pompeo says

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that it's China's fault, not Mike Pompeo lies to our fucking faces with no information.

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That's the way to go if you're writing a headline.

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Yeah, we need some real serious proof about these sorts of things, these conversations

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are happening at this level.

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Because you're playing with fire.

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You risk getting involved in a situation that we're in way over our heads on and the ramifications

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of it could be unthinkable.

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It's ridiculous.

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So Alex complains in this next clip that he's been right about Fauci and how they sold the

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virus to China and all this stuff all along, and because of it, he's got a tail on him.

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Now we told you that exactly as it happened, precisely as it happened.

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Not just, oh, I bet Fauci's involved, oh, we said the exact virus, the chimera showed

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you the white papers, did dozens of shows on it.

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And it got the FBI following me around.

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I mean, that's fine, whatever.

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I mean, that's what goes on in this country.

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So they're getting ready to General Flynn me.

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That's fine.

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You can't stop all Americans.

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So let's continue getting ready to General Flynn.

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And I like it.

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I want to turn that into a verb for sure.

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I mean, I think what you have here is the continuation of legend building in terms of

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whenever this all comes to pass, whenever his consequences catch up with them.

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The FBI has been following me around, man.

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I could also see that being a private investigator.

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Maybe like that would put out a private investigator on his current wife.

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Yeah.

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That's how she got a DUI.

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So like he had someone following her around.

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Who knows?

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Someone following him around.

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Yeah.

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And there's so many lawsuits currently out against him.

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It's not, it wouldn't be the first time that a lawyer has hired a private investigator.

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So yeah.

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Fuck it.

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Why not?

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Yeah.

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That's a possibility.

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I mean, we can't concretely say that.

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It's as likely that it is that as it is that he's just making this up in order to create,

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to continue the narrative that allows the end of his career to be a noble thing or something.

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What's not happening is an FBI agent following him.

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I would find that hard to believe.

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So in this next clip, Alex takes something that he probably saw on maybe one of his employees'

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Twitters and reports it as news.

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We've got the fraud articles where they're just openly admitting that the CDC's numbers

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are half of what the media is announcing.

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Really there's only 37,000 deaths and that's what the inflated numbers.

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That's like a yearly flu.

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So this was a story that was making the rounds on social media that the CDC had come out

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and admitted that instead of over 60,000 deaths in the United States from the virus, the number

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was actually 37,308.

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We got him!

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This claim was taken and repeated over and over again on Facebook and Twitter with no

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one bothering to check the data where it came from.

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This was from the CDC's quote, provisional death counts for COVID-19 tracker.

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And it's something real that is up on the CDC's website, but there's something important

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to remember here.

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And it's something that I've brought up in the past a number of times.

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The CDC's website is not the most up-to-date or helpful website.

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That's not necessarily a knock on them.

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It's just that their process doesn't cater to up-to-the-minute reporting and they're

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perfectly upfront about it.

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The page that these claims are taken from says very clearly, quote, provisional death

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counts may not match counts from other sources, such as media reports or numbers from county

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health departments.

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Our counts often track one to two weeks behind other data for a number of reasons.

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The reasons listed are, quote, death certificates take time to be completed, states report at

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different rates, it takes extra time to code COVID-19 deaths, and other reporting systems

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use different definitions or methods for counting deaths.

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They further go on to say that, quote, provisional death counts are not final and subject to

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change.

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From the very web page that's being used as a source, the best claim that you can make

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is that the numbers there are a picture of what is probably about two weeks behind, possibly

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a glimpse into how things looked two weeks ago.

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If you look at other trackers like worldometers, you can check what the total death count was

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two weeks ago and it's pretty close to 37,000, so that kind of makes sense.

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In two weeks, we can check back on the CDC's site and see what they have up, but for now,

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this is in no way an instance of the CDC cutting their numbers in half as Alex is reporting.

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Alex just saw a tweet and decided to report it without consulting the CDC page himself

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to get any further information on the subject.

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He doesn't care about the stories he's reporting, only about advancing the narrative.

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Regardless of how much he has to make up along the way.

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To a naive listener, Alex is reporting on hard research news, but if you have any idea

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about the subject he's covering, you'd know that all he's doing is blindly regurgitating

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viral right-wing content that's factually inaccurate, which is all he's ever done.

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It used to be Drudge Headlines and now it's Idiocy, one of his interns found on 4chan

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or Twitter.

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That's what his show is in terms of information.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a war on it.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh yeah, it is.

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It's a war on information.

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You might say that.

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It's not an information war.

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It's a war on information.

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Destroy it.

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Reality is nothing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Very, very fitting name, perhaps.

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So Alex has another article.

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This one's about the election.

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Ooh.

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It's very exciting.

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We've got that.

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And then of course, you didn't just hear this here first, you heard this here thousands

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of times, that Hillary was going to have a weak candidate up front at the Kroger Convention

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and then swoop in.

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Here we go.

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They are now reporting officially that they are considering the plan for Hillary to run

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but Obama to be her VP.

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Oh my God.

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I recall that a lot of the conversation was about Michelle Obama running back when Roger

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Stone was saying this was the inside baseball before he got arrested.

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Calm it down, guys.

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So this is just Alex reading a headline of an op-ed in The Hill that literally has in

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its header, quote, the views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view

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of The Hill.

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The headline is, quote, a Hillary Clinton Barack Obama ticket to replace Joe Biden?

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Is it even possible?

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It's a fantastical opinion piece where the writer is suggesting that if Biden drops out

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of the race, what would happen?

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For one thing, it doesn't seem to mention that Bernie won nine primaries this election

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season and maybe if Biden were to withdraw from the race, he's someone to be considered.

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Nope.

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This editorial is mostly about Andrew Cuomo being a sensible choice or the out-of-the-box

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idea of Hillary and Obama, and then the discussion of could Obama run as a vice president based

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on the Constitution.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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There's literally nothing behind this op-ed other than one person's fantasy booking

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of the election.

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Yeah.

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So this op-ed was written by Douglas MacKinnon, and it would be wise to consider that his

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bio is included at the end of the article.

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Quote, Douglas MacKinnon, a political and communications consultant, was a writer in

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the White House for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

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It would also be good to know a little bit about who the guy is before you take this

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without a grain of salt.

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I don't need to know anything more than writer for Reagan and H.W. Bush.

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That got it all for me.

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It's not a good bit of a resume for him to be spouting nonsense about the Democratic

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candidates.

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You know, you would think that, but I really do think that now is the time for us to listen

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to what Republicans have to say about what candidates we should elect.

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So they've got a great track record.

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Jordan, you're way ahead of yourself.

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I'm sorry.

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You should be more mad at this guy and you don't even know it.

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I want to hit him with a blackjack already.

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In 2014, MacKinnon published a book titled, quote, The Secessionist States of America,

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The Blueprint for Creating a Traditional Values Country...Now.

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Love it.

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His book was legitimately a call for the South to resucceed, largely in response to rising

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acceptance of LGBTQ folk, and create a new country to be ruled by extreme religious right

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principles, basically a fundamentalist Christian caliphate.

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Cool.

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His proposed name for the new country was Reagan, which makes sense, given that he used

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to work for Reagan and he's an idiot.

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He wanted to name the country Reagan.

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Yep.

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I really think somebody with ideas that bad needs to be kept somewhere safe.

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Apparently this country that he wanted to create would be Florida, Georgia, and South

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Carolina initially, and then he'd hope other states would get on board.

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Alex would be disappointed to learn that he specifically left Texas out because, quote,

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there have been a number of incursions into Texas and other places from some folks in

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Mexico.

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Of course.

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Why would you want Texas in there?

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Reagan has got to be a fucking armored...oh, God.

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Probably someone should tell him that Miami-Dade County in Florida is the second highest county

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in the United States in terms of an immigrant population, after Los Angeles, and Broward

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County is number ten.

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Good to know, though, that his plan that was based on anti-LGBTQ intolerance is also full

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of overt racism and xenophobia.

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Yeah, I was thinking of another name...do you remember?

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I think they tried it one time before, it was in Africa.

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They took a whole swath of land from the native peoples there, kicked them out, and created

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a white nationalist...what was the name of that, Dan?

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I'm not sure.

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I don't know if I've heard about this.

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That's probably right.

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Never mind.

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I bet this idea is brand new.

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So McKinnon promoted his book on a right-wing radio show, and his appearance, which included

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defending the Confederacy, was covered by Right Wing Watch.

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Most likely in response to this horrifically bad press, he was subsequently fired from

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his position as a columnist at the Tampa Tribune.

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Since then, he's been a wingnut conservative writer for places that have low standards,

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like Tucker Carlson's trash rag The Daily Caller.

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On January 15th, 2020, he posted an article there titled, quote, The Red Sox Fire Trump-Hating

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Alex Cora, giving him time to learn about the issues.

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This dude is a Trump-loving columnist who's largely published in bullshit outlets, so

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I have absolutely zero doubt about why he would write a column suggesting that Hillary

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and Obama should replace Biden on the Democratic ticket.

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Psst!

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Because they really like yelling about Hillary and Obama!

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And his goal is to stir shit up.

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It's basically trolling that's been allowed to be published in The Hill, which they absolutely

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should not have done.

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Thanks to The Hill.

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It would be one thing if it was just a random person writing a column, but whether or not

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it was constitutionally possible for Obama to run as a vice president?

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It's another thing to publish this bullshit, written by a dude who, not six years ago,

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was writing a book encouraging states to secede from the country because he was mad about

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LGBTQ acceptance.

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Did The Hill publish that one, too?

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I'm not sure.

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But maybe they should have.

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So anyway, my point is that I'm not taking this op-ed all that seriously, but apparently

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Alex thinks that this dude writing this garbage is the equivalent of the globalists coming

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out and admitting that this Hillary-Obama ticket is their plan.

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Probably because Alex is dumb and lazy, and the optics of this work for his narrative,

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so whatever.

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I mean, that's borderline controlled opposition for Alex.

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Kind of, yeah.

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Like, he wrote that article so Alex could get mad about it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's an alley-oop.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It really does seem like they're working together on this one.

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Yeah.

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I mean, obviously.

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They're doing this all over.

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Obviously not actually working together, but their means work together.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whatever they're doing fit together like Lego blocks.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Perfectly.

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Yeah.

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So it's very stupid.

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Yeah, it's great.

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So early on in this episode, Alex decides that, you know, he needs to discuss the fact

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that everybody's talking about him talking about eating his neighbors.

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So he gets into that here in this next clip.

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But when we return, I'm going to respond to what was one of the biggest stories Friday

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and Saturday and what trended for two days.

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Number one on Twitter.

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Alex Jones will eat his neighbor's ass.

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Thanks everybody, by the way.

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I'm going to suspend that, that it was some sexual reference, because that's what's in

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their mind.

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Aha.

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It was a allegory that I've brought up here a hundred times in the last few years.

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A modest proposal.

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Sure.

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And I intended for them back on Tuesday to grab it and make a huge deal about it.

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Yes, you did.

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But then Friday, they did grab a hold of it and misrepresent it exactly as I thought they

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would.

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And so they took the bait beautifully on that.

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And so now I've been able to have millions and millions of views on other videos we put

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out that have been picked up by newspapers where we talked about a modest proposal and

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how we could expose the absurdity of eating children to expose those that just say, let

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the third world die.

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I don't believe that this is actually accurate, the way Alex is presenting it.

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I do think that in the moment he was hoping that his dumb cannibalism outburst would get

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covered in the media and that he'd been able to translate it into a bunch of free press.

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But I don't believe that there was any satire behind it or any plan to use it to bring attention

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to the hunger in the developing world.

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Absolutely not.

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That's just the spin he's come up with once it was already trending and people were making

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fun of him.

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It's good spin.

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Yeah.

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I can't argue with that.

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I mean, it doesn't work, but it's the best thing he could do given the circumstances.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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Ultimately, I do think that he's being sincere when he says that he thought it was a failed

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attempt to get attention after people didn't cover it on Tuesday and Wednesday.

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This is why it's really important to view his outbursts through the correct prism.

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When no one made fun of him, he considered the outburst a failure and a waste of time.

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He didn't get what he wanted out of it.

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Now he can pretend that what he wanted out of it was more attention on the videos about

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world hunger issues to make this seem noble, but that's nonsense.

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This was always about getting himself attention with the hopes of feeding more people into

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his revenue streams, and that's exactly what he got.

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I am so mad.

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He said that directly to us, and he waved his ass in our faces.

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That's not true, because we are keenly aware of the things that he's saying already.

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No, no, no.

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I mean that he said it so explicitly, the exact thing of how it happened, like, at least

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try and lie a little bit.

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At least try and lie a little bit.

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This isn't the first time he said, like, that worked exactly how I hoped it would.

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I know, but come on, man.

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That's not fair.

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And I don't believe that in the moment he was like, really like, I'm going to get press

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out of this.

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I think as soon as he went to commercial, he was like, man, I hope they cover that.

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Take a clip, and I could pretend they're taking it out of context, and then when it didn't

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happen, it is obviously disappointing, because that's just money on the table.

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So Alex talks a little bit about this rant, and I'd hoped not to talk about this more,

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but the more he talked about it, the more frustrated I got, and we'll get, you know,

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you'll see why.

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But just like on Joe Rogan, I talked about the modest proposal, and the governor of Blackface

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of Virginia saying we need to keep the babies alive and harvest their organs, and I said

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that's very Swiftian of him, but instead of this being Snyder, he really does that, but

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it's okay that he kills babies.

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I just talked about eating my neighbors, I said, let's not kill babies, let's eat our

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neighbors, they went, oh, he wants to kill his neighbors.

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He didn't say, instead of killing babies, let me eat my neighbor.

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Absolutely not.

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That was never a piece of the equation.

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No.

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That's a completely new element that he's added after the fact in order to try and make

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what he was saying make some sort of ironic sense or whatever.

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He's trying to add literary layers to it in hindsight, and that's pretty abusive.

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No, remember, what he was saying is that when we run out of food, I am going to trick my

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daughters into eating a human being.

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By saying it's beef.

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That was not a heroic act.

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That was only a part of it.

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Sure, sure.

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We're going to talk about this way more than I want.

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Okay, alright.

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So, Alex, when he comes back from break, he does get into this more, and he starts talking

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about some of the actual press that he got because of this, like an article in Forbes.

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Please, Forbes, please don't eat your neighbor.

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Why?

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What Alex Jones said is so dangerous, they go on to say, he is commanding the people

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in Michigan who stormed the Capitol, they may start eating people.

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You talk about satire, but they're writing this as serious.

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So that Forbes article does not say that Alex is telling protesters they should eat people.

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The thesis could probably be summed up in this paragraph from the article.

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Quote, the real danger, however, probably isn't to Jones' neighbors, but to all of us

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who might suffer the consequences from the actions of Jones who take his words literally.

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While millions of Americans have good reason to be concerned about their economic well-being,

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Jones is tapping into the fear of his listeners and suggesting that violence might be necessary

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for self-survival.

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We're living in days when openly armed protesters are storming legislatures, so it's not a far

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leap to believe that people listening to Jones' extreme exhortations might be further provoked

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towards fear and violence.

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Sometimes they might not see their neighbors as meals, but they might increasingly see

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them as adversaries in a world of accelerating scarcity.

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The point of this article is that in times of crisis, it's crucial that we recognize

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our interdependence and that we see each other as being in this together.

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Rants about eating your neighbors to feed your children is the sort of thing that's

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based on the opposite mentality, where you view everyone as on their own and that you

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are at best a commodity I can use and at worst a threat to myself and my loved ones.

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The author of the article is really clear about this, and even defends Alex's right

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to say all the dumb and dangerous shit that he does.

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Quote, although Jones' free speech should, by necessity, be constitutionally protected,

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his dangerous messages of distrust and division need to be combated with even louder appeals

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for solidarity and common cause.

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When Alex does these publicity stunts, a big downside to responding is that your response

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will be turned into a straw man that he will use to further radicalize his audience against

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any non-infowars sources of information.

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I think this Forbes piece makes a great point, and I think it's an important thing to remember,

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that it's crucial to look at people around you as collaborators, not competitors or food.

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But ultimately, making that point in response to Alex's rant is probably counterproductive.

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So like I said, that's what's going to happen.

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Alex is going to lie about coverage of his stuff in order to fit it into the mold that

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he has in order to further insulate his audience.

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And gaslight people who are coming to check him out based on that.

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So Alex keeps talking about a modest proposal, and he said it's one of his favorite essays.

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I'm not sure he's read it.

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Now let's get into it.

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A modest proposal from 1730 was Jonathan Swift, an Anglo-slash-Irish cleric, who was so sick

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of watching people starve to death by the thousands, and the English government saying,

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oh, it doesn't matter, keep your taxes high, he said, well, then let's just tell them to

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-

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Keep their taxes high?

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Tell them to us, and we'll eat them.

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He describes how to fatten them up, how to butcher them, and it's the most famous piece

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of satire out there.

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So real quick, a modest proposal is from 1729, not 1730.

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Small difference, but it's one of the indications that Alex probably has no idea about what

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he's talking about.

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It seems from Alex's telling of the story that he thinks a modest proposal had something

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to do with taxes being too high, which is not considered to be a mainstream reading

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of the text.

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But it does make sense, considering that he probably only knows about the pamphlet from

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reading about it in some JBS John Birch Society book.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, like, he's talking about beggars and, like, destitute poor.

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I don't think taxes were the -

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The ones who don't worry too much about taxes.

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I don't think they're a primary concern.

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So one of the main issues about reading a modest proposal from the academic standpoint

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is determining if Swift himself is the speaker in the text, or if it's a disconnected persona

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he's created for the pamphlet.

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Elizabeth Hedrick explores this question in her piece for the journal Studies and Philology

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from Fall 2017, which gets into why this is a relevant question.

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The suggestion of eating the poor relies on irony to be satire, but if it's understood

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that Swift himself is the one making this proposal, there's a problem with the irony,

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namely that Swift is well-documented as absolutely hating the Irish poor.

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His writings and sermons have been shown to include, quote,

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"...angrily blaming the distresses of the Irish poor on their moral failings."

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You can easily see how the - if this is the person making the modest proposal, things

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get a bit murky, and thus the more widely accepted views of the character speaking in

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the pamphlet is not the author's voice, but fully detached from Jonathan Swift himself.

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Hedrick argues that the way to bridge these two personae is to consider Swift's other

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writings, including particularly his non-satire pieces, to gain a better understanding of

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exactly what the target of a modest proposal's satire was.

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Though admittedly there are a lot of barbs going in many directions, taken in the context

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of his body of work, Hedrick argues that the main thing being attacked in a modest proposal

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is societal politeness, and the Whig assumption, quote,

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"...that good manners were in a sense transparent rather than performative, a reliable sign

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of one's own innate goodness rather than a pleasing front for malice or aggression."

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This was a view that Swift, quote,

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"...found ethically simple-minded and politically dishonest."

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The narrator of the proposal is perfectly polite, in juxtaposition with the barbaric

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suggestion he's making, seeing himself as the savior of the country for proposing a

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solution that would deal with the problem of poverty.

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This was mirroring the equally stupid but politely delivered suggestions that polite

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people were making at the time, and if you consider who Jonathan Swift was and what he

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believed, it's pretty clear that this is the largest part of what he was satirizing.

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So essentially, he's talking almost about the difference between Obama and Trump bombing

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people.

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Obama is putting a very calm and polite face on the atrocities that he's committing and

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Trump is a barbaric monster.

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He's satirizing the political position that that is a relevant difference, that the polite

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face is more important than the action itself, to an extent, and that a lot of the things

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that had been suggested to help with the problem of poverty were awful, unviable, not working

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solutions delivered politely for the sake of putting a mask on your own nonsense.

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And he sure as shit did not care about the poor.

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That was not his motivation.

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He wrote screeds against them, including 1737's quote, a proposal for giving badges to the

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beggars in all the parishes of Dublin.

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That piece was very much not satire, and it includes this description of the impoverished.

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Quote, they are too lazy to work, they are not afraid to steal nor ashamed to beg, and

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yet are too proud to be seen with a badge, as many of them have confessed to me.

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For several years past, I have not disposed of one single farthing to a street beggar,

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nor intend to do so until I see better regulation, and I have endeavored to persuade all my brother

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walkers to follow my example, which most of them assure me they do.

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For, if beggary be not able to beat out pride, it cannot deserve charity.

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Swift did not care about the well-being of the poor.

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He was offended by the false-wig politeness with which solutions to the problem of poverty

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were suggested.

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Ultimately, that could have the effect of pushing for actual solutions that could help

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the poor, but that doesn't seem to be Swift's primary concern.

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So how does this relate to Alex and his rant about eating his neighbors?

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Simply put, it doesn't, because nothing Alex did had a point.

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He's trying to claim that he was making a modest proposal about eating his neighbors

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to draw attention to the fact that there are people in the developing world starving, but

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that is completely absent from his actual rant.

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He was just talking about being willing to eat his neighbors so that his children don't

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starve.

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If there's any rhetorical connection to people starving in the developing world, the best

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Alex could possibly claim is that his words are a condemnation of the people who are parents

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of starving children in those countries who don't kill their neighbors to feed their children,

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but that doesn't seem like the point he was trying to make, but it would track, kind of.

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That is a fair...

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I could read it that way, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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You couldn't.

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No.

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No, no, no.

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I think I will.

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I think I have.

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You're welcome to.

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You know what?

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Actually, you've convinced me, Dan.

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That was a brilliant piece of satire on Alex's part.

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I don't think that that's...

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I do think that people in countries should eat their neighbors.

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I think that that's the best he could do.

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If you take the position that Swift was really attacking the genteel politeness that was

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just the pleasing facade that hid people's real cruelty, would it be possible to connect

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that with Alex's rant?

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I still think not.

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If he were covering the people starving in the developing world and suggested we eat

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them, then the connection would be really clear.

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But it doesn't track that yelling about eating your neighbors to feed your child is somehow

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a suggestion that lampoons the politeness of people who offer suggestions of how to

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help people in the developing world, but don't actually care.

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I've really tried to find an angle where it could reasonably be argued that Alex's rant

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qualified as some kind of purposeful act of irony or satire, and everything I can come

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up with fails to satisfy the basic qualifications.

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Also, let's not forget that Alex, you know, he talks about how everyone becomes a cannibal

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after like 14, 15 days with no food all the time.

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It's something that long predates his newfound concern with foreign hunger.

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And his discussing of his willingness to eat people isn't even really new.

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On his show from December 16th, 2019, he discussed how in a collapse, if people were coming to

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eat him, he would eat them.

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Then about 10 days of no food, most people become cannibals, about 80% become cannibals.

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The 20% usually commit suicide.

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And so yeah, your kids are starving to death.

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I wouldn't go out and grab other groups of people and then eat them.

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But I'm just being honest, we're talking about the lizard brain kicking in the lower brain.

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I'm just being honest, most like, you know, let's say a raiding party comes, your house

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tries to eat you during a collapse, and you haven't eaten in about a week and a half.

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They're trying to eat you.

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I'm not gonna go out and eat children and stuff, but I'll gut these guys down, and then

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I'm gonna eat them.

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So I mean, it's self-defense cannibalism, but it's still like, he has these fantasies

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a bit.

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It's a long way to go to justify you kind of wanting to taste what a human is, you know?

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Alex doesn't care about people in the developing world, and he never has.

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He supported Ron Paul for most of his career, which is disqualifying when you try to pretend

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that you're now concerned about the well-being of people in poorer countries.

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Alex only pretends to care now because he believes that pointing to people going hungry

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in the developing world makes his argument about reopening businesses easier.

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He thinks that it's his trump card he can play to win any argument by accusing someone

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of not caring about the people going hungry.

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If we do get through this virus crisis and things go back to somewhat normal, I'd bet

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anything I own that Alex completely forgets about how much he cares about people having

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food in Africa or South America.

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He's just a sick fuck who sits around and pretty regularly thinks about how he's gonna

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eat people when shit gets bad, and what he's doing now is just the way Alex is trying to

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pretend to take a moral high ground after getting a ton of free press and he's trying

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to make his unhinged outburst seem like it was some brilliant piece of art.

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Also, fun fact, in a modest proposal, Swift totally blames an imaginary American for his

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proposal.

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Quote, I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London that

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a young healthy child well nursed at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome

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food whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled, and I make no doubt that it will equally serve

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an affricasse or ragout.

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I guess this outlandish idea would come off as more genuine, and thus better straight-faced

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satire if the idea traced back to an American.

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Alex should probably resent that, if he's ever read it.

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Ehh, I mean, if he's due in 1729, then I imagine that the other implication there is that people

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who live in America are all savages along with the Native Americans, that kind of thing.

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Yeah, or at least other, you know, backwoods-y, perhaps.

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I remember when I was in, what, I think 11th grade, my friend and I, we had to read a modest

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proposal and do a creative thing on it, so we made a cooking show where we cooked and

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ate a baby, and it was delicious.

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It was very good.

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It wasn't an actual baby.

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Good.

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I'm glad you clarified that.

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I needed to make that point clear because it didn't come off like I was making that

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point clear.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's, that's what you do in 11th grade.

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Alex is 46.

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Yeah, that does seem a little different, yeah.

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So Alex is really insistent that this was this Swiftian satire and all of that, and

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the media has taken him seriously, but some people got it.

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Now, a lot of folks did get it.

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RT got it.

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It's a Swift reference, Alex Jones says, eat my neighbors.

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Rant was satire to highlight people starving in COVID-19 lockdown.

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National File got it.

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So Alex's two examples of people who got it are RT and National File.

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That's sad.

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State-run propaganda network and basically my-run propaganda network.

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Yeah, National File is run by Alex's associate and probably employee Tom Pappert, so might

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as well be Infowars.

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As for RT, the article Alex is referring to, he read the headline.

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It's quote, it's a Swift reference, Alex Jones says, eat my neighbors, rant was satire to

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highlight people starving in COVID-19 lockdown.

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That headline is not reporting that Alex's rant was satire, it's quoting Alex's explanation.

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The actual RT article at least twice calls into question if Alex's words were really

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satire, most directly in this paragraph.

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Quote, notably Swift's essay is largely about class and the poor being used as commodities

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in society with little regard for their lives and not about a viral pandemic.

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But Jones insists that the COVID-19 lockdown will cause more deaths than the actual virus

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by wiping out the third world and causing millions of poor people to starve to death.

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This is not about RT getting it.

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It's an article covering Alex's attempt to explain himself that doesn't actually sound

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like they're all that convinced.

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So good, Alex, use this as these people get it.

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Yeah, it is, it does have the feel of like, they're not, they don't buy his argument at

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all.

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However, it is very expedient to put the headline up there that makes it look like he's got

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a defense for himself.

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That would make the most sense to me.

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So Alex drops this thread for a while, he's said his piece about the great press that

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he's getting and all this, and he gets to just ranting about, you know, standard-ass

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coronavirus nonsense, and he basically is going even harder on the, all the doctors

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are partying.

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Sure, sure.

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So when somebody gets in your face about be a hero and, you know, bow to the medical workers,

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most of them are partying their asses off and the hospitals are empty.

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That's a fact, folks.

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Because they get $39,000 per COVID patient, look out, you come in there with a cold, they're

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going to snake a thing down your throat, blow your lungs out, kill your ass, and then collect

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the money on your dead ass.

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Well, that's nice of them.

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So now they're going to kill you if you go to a hospital, so great, that's really dangerous

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rhetoric.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If you are feeling sick, do not go see a medical professional because they will kill you.

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$39,000.

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That's what your life is worth.

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Does Alec, I mean, I don't know if he understands how medical work works.

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He absolutely does not.

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Does he think that these hospitals, even if they're getting $39,000 for these patients,

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does he think that's more than normally operating hospitals would be bringing in?

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Of course.

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This is, it's the COVID bump.

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Everybody's inflation.

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Pretty ridiculous.

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Pretty, pretty fucking ridiculous.

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So Alex, like I said, he was done with the thread of defending his cannibalism comments,

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but he's never really actually done because he gets into behavior that I would say he's

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clearly begging people to write more articles about it.

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It was a total collapse and everything.

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You're right.

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I won't eat full grown adults because they're good.

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I will go out with the left and I will eat babies or I will support Governor Northam

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when he says keep babies alive instead of just harvesting their organs, I'll go into

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the hospital and I'll buy aborted babies to eat them.

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Now the headline will be Alex Jones wants to buy aborted babies and eat them.

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No, that's what Governor Northam does.

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He keeps them alive.

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He takes their organs, but because it's real, everyone says it's good and loving, but because

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I'm pointing out how evil they are and trying to save people, I'm the bad guy.

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That's how the delusion works with the corporate media.

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Speaking of food, the whole civilization is designed to collapse.

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Depression continues.

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We'll be dying like people in the third world, so don't eat your neighbors and don't eat

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your babies.

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I would never do that.

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I would take- God damn it.

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No, ladies and gentlemen, get high quality storeable food, which we have now available

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again.

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What a dick, man.

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That's what it's all about.

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That's all the game is.

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You can see it pretty clearly there.

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If you can't turn it into an ad, what are you doing?

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What's even the point?

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What are you doing?

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Yeah.

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What's the point?

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It's just flowing downhill until it gets to this point.

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That's the game.

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Alex has Francis Boyle on the show, and who cares?

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It's mostly pretty standard stuff, but I do think that this clip is pretty interesting.

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At the beginning of the show, we talked about how Alex was saying that the CDC admitted

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that they doubled the number of deaths.

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Boyle has a very different perspective.

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We have to understand that I think President Trump has to come to grips with that.

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We're at war with COVID.

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It's existentially dangerous.

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The figures we are being given on casualties are completely bogus.

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The Financial Times last week ran an article on excess casualties, that the real figures

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here are not the reported casualties, but the excess casualties.

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They went country by country, and the excess casualties were twice the reported casualties.

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I think that's probably what has happened here in the United States.

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As of today, we're being told it's only 64,000 people who are dead.

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Well, excess casualties, no one's given us a figure on that.

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My guess is it's twice what we are being told, and these officials at CDC and many of the

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others are just downplaying what we are really facing, Alex.

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Most experts who have commented on the situation with the coronavirus have said that in all

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likelihood, the numbers that we have are underestimating the actual number of deaths as opposed to

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overestimating them.

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I'm not sure if the conclusion that Boyle is coming to here is accurate, but it's worth

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pointing out that what he's saying is a direct contradiction of the things that Alex claimed

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to know for a fact earlier.

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Earlier in the episode, he reported that the CDC was admitting that they'd exaggerated

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their death count by doubling it, but here Boyle is saying that it's probably the exact

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opposite.

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Both of them are dealing with a factor of two.

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Let's not worry about how they're using the math.

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It's either one half or twice as much.

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It's the same basic concept.

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So the Financial Times article he's referencing looked into statistics of how many more deaths

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had been reported in the week ending April 17th.

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From the article, quote, in that week, 22,351 deaths were registered in England and Wales,

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according to the Office for National Statistics, the highest figure since comparable weekly

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data started in 1993 and worse than any figure in similar data of the past 50 years.

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The average for the comparable week from 2015 to 2019 was 10,497.

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From that data, there's a conversation that seems to suggest the death toll might be much

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higher than is being reported in England and Wales, with a total of 27,015 more deaths

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than the five-year average being between the beginning of March and April 17th.

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It's too premature to draw too many conclusions from this data, but it's definitely notable

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and something that demands further exploration.

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This article doesn't go through it country by country.

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It's just about the discrepancy that the Financial Times found in England and Wales.

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However, there was a separate Financial Times article that looked at the overall fatalities

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during March and April across 14 different countries.

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This article was published on April 26th and found 122,000 excess deaths in these countries,

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as compared to the average number of expected deaths during that time frame.

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This was compared to the approximately 77,000 reported COVID-19 deaths at that time, which

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they suggest could mean that the official numbers are pretty low.

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They go on to suggest that if this same pattern of underreporting were to be universal across

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the world, there could be as many as 117,000 unreported COVID-19 deaths that we're not

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capturing in official statistics.

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This again is something that needs further study, but it's definitely hard to look at

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some of the data they present about how much higher the number of deaths are in various

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places than the normal average numbers, and even higher than the average plus the official

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COVID-19 count, and not think that something's being missed there.

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It's tough to explain, but it requires further explanation.

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It's hard not to account for the extreme political desire that people would have for underreporting.

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Like in the two eyes and three nays of a report, it does seem like they're blaming China for

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withholding information about that and trying to downplay the severity of the threat as

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though that is exactly what Trump did at the same time, almost simultaneously.

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The idea that these two governments are going to report things honestly is utterly... You

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can't believe it.

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It's simply not possible to believe.

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Maybe it is true.

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Maybe they are reporting it, but believing it without absolute information seems ridiculous.

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They've lost all benefit of the doubt in regards to lying directly to our faces.

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Speaking of people who don't have the benefit of the doubt working in their favor, we got

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Alex Jones.

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Hey.

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Here's the last clip from May 3rd, and it's Alex talking about his cannibalism comments

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more.

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Of course.

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And this one really set me off.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones here, and I don't try to get up here and say sensational

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things just to say it when I'm covering serious news.

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Sometimes I do satire, like last Tuesday I got picked up Friday was the number one thing

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on Twitter for two days, where I said, I'm not going to eat people's children during

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a collapse.

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I'm going to eat my neighbors.

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Then I went on to explain I was doing a Jonathan Swift allegory, but the-

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Oh, did you?

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Oh, did you?

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A minute of it out of context.

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But I knew they'd do that, and people then came and found the truth of what I was talking

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about.

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So Jordan, I'm sorry about this in advance, but like I said, that clip really set me off.

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Oh, shit.

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I'm set off.

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That is such a brazen act of gaslighting that it triggered a bit of a pointless exercise

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and literary criticism that we're about to embark on that I view as equal parts illuminating

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and completely pointless.

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All right.

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I went back and listened to the entire cannibalism rant again, and at no point did Alex ever

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say that he was suggesting he'd eat neighbors instead of eating children.

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That is absolutely not a part of his rant.

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He's just making that up.

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Also, at no point did he say he was doing a Swift-style allegory or whatever he's pretending

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now.

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That's bullshit.

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He says it multiple times.

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He says, I'm not joking.

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No, he says it multiple times, and when he does say that he's joking, he's saying it

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very obviously to suggest that he's not.

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So I was listening back to it, and I kind of realized that if we accept what Alex is

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saying, that it was satire, it's essentially impossible to discern what his point was.

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That's because the approximately four-minute rant has a number of tonal shifts within it

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where he's talking about this theme of eating people from completely different standpoints.

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It starts with him talking about how in the Great Depression, people were more self-sufficient

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than we are now, and as we know, Alex believes that fake statistic about seven million people

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starving in the Great Depression, which he doesn't bring up, but it's clearly in his

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mind.

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This is where things begin, at which point he says that he's willing to eat his neighbors.

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This is clearly meant to be a declaration of how tough and survival-ready he is.

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There's clearly nothing more to the conversation at the beginning than this.

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He's clear that this is about his children not starving and whatnot, but it's all just

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I'll kill and eat humans to survive type bragging.

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It's conversation about how he's been looking at his neighbors and wondering if he would

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kill and eat them, and he's decided he will.

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This section of the rant could be seen as satire, possibly, of how stupid preppers are,

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and how they have these survival fantasies that are more based on things they want to

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live out as opposed to realistic scenarios that may come to pass, but I don't think that's

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the intent.

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There's zero chance that this section of the rant could be interpreted as any other kind

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of satire.

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There's just nothing going on there other than violent fantasy ranting.

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This goes on for about a minute and a half, before Alex gets a light in his eye and shifts

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things, saying, that's why I want you globalists to know I'll eat your ass first.

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This section of the rant completely abandons the idea of feeding his hungry children, and

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now eating people has become a specifically violent act.

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He mumbles his murder fantasies about getting his hands around globalist throats and said

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he's going to eat them because they didn't accept Christ.

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It's clearly cannibalism that's meant as a punishment, where Alex is the instrument of

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punishment.

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During this section, the notion of eating people for sustenance is completely forgotten.

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He did forget that, then it went from defensive to offensive very quickly.

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About 40 seconds later, he returns to the idea of his children starving, so he's spinning

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two plates at the same time.

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He's ranting about eating his neighbor to feed his children, and also eating a globalist

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as a religious punishment.

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At that point, Alex says you could, quote, take this as a metaphysical hypothetical,

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but it's not really, and he says that we need to get over the jokes.

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Alex is bad with words, so metaphysical hypothetical in this context probably just means hypothetical.

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He's expressing that this is not hypothetical.

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It would be like if there was a line in A Modest Proposal where Swift just throws in,

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I know this sounds like satire, but it's not.

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Hold on, guys, real quick, act break.

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I was going to put this in as a David Foster Wallace footnote.

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Right, yeah.

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It's a convoluted influence, and it serves to muddy the performance considerably if he

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actually has some kind of intent behind it.

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After Alex says that he's serious, he rambles about how actuary show that after seven days

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everyone kills for food, and after 14 most people are cannibals.

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This is the introduction of a made-up thing, but it's something that's very real in Alex's

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world.

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He's using sources that are real to him and his audience to justify the act of eating

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people.

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Alex says that he would commit suicide before eating people, but his children are his quote

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weak place.

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So now we're back to this being about eating his neighbor to feed his kids, and it appears

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the entire section about eating a globalist to show them how they're wrong about God is

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supposed to be ignored, which is not the mark of a master craftsman.

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Then, 30 seconds later, Alex gets back to punishment cannibalism, talking about how

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the spirit cookers out there are drinking blood and how he's going to drink THEIR blood.

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He says that he'll cut them into filet mignon before watching his daughters starve, which

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is weird because now these two different contexts of eating people are getting mingled together

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when they're very different ideas that he's been juggling.

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From this point on through the rest of the rant, nothing makes sense, because it's two

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different discrete ideas that are being combined.

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There's the notion of eating his neighbor for survival, and the notion of relishing

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eating a globalist.

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These are not the same ideas, but they're being combined, so he's saying he'll barbecue

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your leftist ass so the kids won't starve.

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It's convoluted.

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This kind of only makes sense if his neighbor is also a globalist that he's going to eat

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his punishment, but only once he runs out of his storable food.

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That's another point as to why this isn't satire.

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Alex explicitly says that he won't have to eat his neighbor for a few years because he

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has a lot of storable food.

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If this truly was something that was meant to be swifty and satire, how does that element

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factor into it?

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According to Alex's own narratives, by the time he's out of survival food, the people

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in the developing world will not need to be helped in any way.

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It'll be too late at that point.

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They will have already eaten each other, because they don't all have storable food.

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The crisis that he's talking about is already past the point.

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Man, in two years this is going to be such good satire.

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And even if any of this is connected, a couple years down the road he eats his neighbor because

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he's run out of storable food.

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That does nothing.

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It'll save the hungry.

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Yeah, there's absolutely nothing to help out people in the developing world.

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Oh, thank god Alex ate his neighbor.

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Yeah.

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Or a globalist.

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No, no, no, you gotta understand, Dan, it's just like Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do, you

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have to attack while defending and defend while attacking.

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That's the trick.

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You're saving your daughter's life and you're punishing the globalists all at the same time.

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Doesn't work.

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Brilliant.

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So that detail, though, of I won't have to do this for a few years because I've got survival

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food, that's a fingerprint that Alex is just spitballing and making shit up as he goes

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along.

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He realizes in the middle of his violent rant that he sells storable food, so he needs a

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caveat or else he might get a phone call from my patriot supply asking him why he's promoting

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a different disaster nutritional plan when he's a paid shill for them.

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You can kind of tell that's what's going on there.

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So at the end of the rant, Alex says what comes closest to being what I think he thinks

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is poignant.

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He says that, quote, before I live off starving Africans and Latin Americans, I swear to God

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I will eat one of the globalists on a spit, before doing his throw to commercial making

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fun of the idea that people call him a performance artist.

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The performance artist thing, taken in the context of Alex's show, is meant to be a signifier

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that he's not a performance artist.

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It began in his custody hearing a few years back when his lawyer argued in court that

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his show should not be used to determine custody because on air he's playing a character.

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Alex got mad about that, and since then he's gotten really defensive when people say he's

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a performance artist.

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So when he goes to break saying something like that, winkingly saying I'm a performance

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artist, I'm as fake as they come, regular listeners know exactly what that's code for.

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As to the idea of that last line being about starving people in the developing world in

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Africa and Latin America, that's cool, but it doesn't relate to literally anything he's

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said up to that point.

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You can't just tag an unrelated line on the end of something and then pretend that everything

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before it relates when it doesn't.

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Also what does living off starving Africans and Latin Americans mean to Alex?

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It would be interesting to hear him explore that concept, and wrestle with how he could

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have ever supported politicians who use fiscal arguments to decrease both foreign aid as

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well as nutritional assistance programs domestically.

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I'd like to see him discuss this a little bit more.

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Hey, Ron Paul doesn't want to eat people from developing nations, he just wants them to

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starve on their own two feet.

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Pull yourselves up by your own cannibalism, Dan.

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That's what Ron Paul was really all about.

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Anyway, this critical reading has gone on far too long, but I just realized when I re-listened

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to the rant that one of the primary reasons that it fails as both a straightforward argument

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as well as in terms of satire is because it has no consistent theme to what cannibalism

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means in the context of the speech.

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This is a really important aspect to why some satire, like a modest proposal, works, and

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this doesn't.

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If Swift had spent part of his pamphlet arguing politely that people should eat poor children

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to eliminate poverty, and also had chunks where he descended into fantasies about how

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you could eat those kids because fuck them, no one would hold that up as a coherent piece

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of writing.

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Satire is intensely difficult, because it requires a precision that most people aren't

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capable of, and you can definitely count Alex among such people.

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I am furious that the right wing even knows the word satire, because they are incapable

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of it, and yet they keep trying to use it as though they know what it means.

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You guys don't have any fucking clue what satire is.

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It's fascinating.

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You are satire.

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It is impossible to parody you, because you are parodies of yourselves.

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You embody the thing that you are incapable of understanding.

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It's infuriating.

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Which could be satire.

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I mean, if I wrote Alex's rant as a satire of him, then yes, that would make sense.

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But even then, I would do it poorly, because I would try and have a consistent theme.

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Well, that wouldn't be the shape it would take, probably.

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No.

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And I really did sit with this for a long time last night, really trying to figure out

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a way to fix it.

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Like fix his rant, and make it- Do some punch-up.

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But I really couldn't come up with a coherent way that you bridge the gap.

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What he's trying to say is, instead of satire, publicity stunt.

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What he's trying to say is, I did something as a spectacle in order to get eyes on my

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product.

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And then he's rationalizing it by saying, what I really wanted people to pay attention

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when they came was me talking about people who are starving in the developing world.

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He's trying to say that it's satire, but it's really just, I yelled into a bullhorn.

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It's not satire.

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He's a disingenuous opportunist.

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That's the opposite of satire.

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Yeah.

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So the fourth Monday comes around, and this episode's trash.

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Yes.

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Elizabeth's really not good.

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On Star Wars Day?

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Yeah.

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May the fourth was not with him.

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How is that possible?

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Or however you phrase that.

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Yeah, it's bad.

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It's really bad.

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And guess what?

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We start in familiar territory.

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Now let me get into this, because I want to cover this right now.

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Cannibalism.

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It was a big controversy when I came out last Tuesday, and I was going along with a satire.

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Going along with it.

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1730s, saying he would eat Irish children because the Irish were subhuman.

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Because no one was taking care of the Irish, it was overtaxing them and over-regulating

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them, and they were starving to death.

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Over-regulating the Irish.

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Because he was Irish.

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He said, how about we just start eating the Irish babies?

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And he published it like it was serious, and it's the most famous satire in the world.

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So I did a whole piece showing real articles from the UN, about 30 plus million starving

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to death right now, 135 million starving to death.

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I played the head of the World Food Program talking about it.

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And then I said, well fine, once all the food runs out, I'll just eat my liberal neighbors.

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Knowing they'd pick it up, but they edited it down to one minute, I did it to draw attention

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to the starvation, because when the first world collapses, the third world dies.

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That's a catch phrase that Alex is trying to push on this episode pretty clearly.

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And also, again, Alex knows nothing about Swift.

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Like if anything, he wanted higher regulation of the poor.

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He wrote that proposal to give badges to the beggars.

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That is specifically a control regulation.

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In some ways, he was asking for the mark of the beast to be applied to the beggars.

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He did not like the poor at all.

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From that proposal to give badges pamphlet, quote, as a great part of our public miseries

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is originally owing to our own faults, so I am confident that among the meaner people,

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19 in 20 of those who were reduced to starving condition did not become so by what lawyers

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call the work of God, either upon their bodies or goods, but merely from their own idleness

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attended with all manner of vices, particularly drunkenness, thievery, and cheating.

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He has disdain for the poor.

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There was one of my favorite lines, there's a really good book called Futuristic Violence

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in Fancy Suits by David Wong, and one of my favorite lines is when the main character

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just says, the rich always think they can starve the poor into the behavior that they

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want.

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It's just such that kind of shit of like, if we just fuck them over enough, they'll

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do what we say.

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And for Swift, it was, they'll wear the badges.

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Exactly.

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Or whatever.

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Exactly.

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And let's not even get into the topic of Jonathan Swift's feelings about foreign beggars, who

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he calls evil in an infestation, and suggests they be, quote, driven or whipped out of town.

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Whoa, are you saying that a British aristocrat in 1729, or no, 1737 or whenever this was

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published?

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Yeah, 1737 for the second one, yeah.

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So you're saying that he did not have a positive view of foreigners?

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Nope.

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That's wild.

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Sounds a lot like Alex.

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That sounds wild, right?

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Yeah.

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Oh, man.

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His non-ironic treatise on giving badges to the poor sounds very similar to a lot of ideas

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Alex has.

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Alex doesn't understand the underlying satire of the piece he's trying to pretend he's emulating,

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and perhaps more importantly, he's completely lying about his presentation.

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This is all just a pathetic act of gaslighting his audience, and he's trying as hard as he

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can to keep this story alive.

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He saw good returns from it, so he's just begging people to keep giving him that attention

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that he needs, and honestly, the thing that's probably most offensive about it is his attempt

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to use this in some way to further use the plight of people in the developing world as

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a prop for his own purposes.

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He's cheapening that by virtue of the way he's incorporating it as his pretend motivation

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behind his rant.

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It's all very offensive, really, when you get down to it, and all very sad.

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I give it a week before Trump comes out and says we need to reopen the economy in order

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to help other countries.

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I give it a week.

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I think that it's the way you make that argument.

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And actually, we don't have any clips of it because I don't really care, but Alex talks

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to Alan Keyes on this episode for like an hour, and he's kind of making that same sort

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of argument.

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It's like, yes, we are fine with distancing and closing businesses because we don't want

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to hurt other people.

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It's the American, like we're not scared, but we don't want to hurt other people.

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And so if you make the argument that going back and getting sick is better for everyone,

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people will want to do that.

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He kind of has that sort of sense.

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And we don't have any clips of it because it's really boring, and I don't really like

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Alan Keyes.

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But there's a sense of like throughout that interview and most of the first, I'm sorry,

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the fourth, there's very much this like, we've got to get back, we've got to go back to work

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and I think that what's being expressed is a real desire for this to be over.

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And I think that there is a feeling that Alex and his guests are presenting that they seem

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to think that there are people who don't want this to be over, and I don't know any such

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people.

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I don't know who those people are.

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I think everybody wants this to end.

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And I kind of feel like this is basically like a bad trip.

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You know, like I took acid when I was younger and I had a bad trip.

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It wasn't a terrible bad trip like some people have, but it was pretty bad.

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And one of the things that allowed it to not be so bad, and I've talked to other people

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who've done far more psychedelics than I have, and this is something that rings true with

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a number of people I've spoken to, is that I recognized that I'd taken a drug and I accepted

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the terrible things that I was experiencing and knew that this is going to end eventually.

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You get into more trouble in situations like that if you fight against it, if you feel

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the need to argue and try and fight with the ghosts that are, you know, whatever.

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And so what's going on is I think that you see these different reactions to what is essentially

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overwhelming inconvenience.

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A bad trip is an overwhelming inconvenience that you have no control over and you have

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to ride out.

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It will end.

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You can make it worse when, you know, maybe extend it.

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I don't know.

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I don't know the pharmacology of it.

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I have no idea.

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But it's the same thing with this circumstance that we find ourselves in.

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Everybody is having a metaphorical bad trip and you can either choose to go along with

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it except that this is like, yep, this is just something that there isn't a point when

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we will be through this.

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But the people who are fighting against all of this, like Alex, insisting we need to go

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back to work prematurely and all this, they are the people who are fighting and are going

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to make it all worse.

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They are the people who are going to make the bad trip hellish as opposed to inconvenient

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and bad.

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There are problems that you have to deal with along the way, obviously, but there are problems

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that aren't being solved by actions of people like Alex.

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That was just a sort of thought that I had.

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I couldn't shake.

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I think we're in a situation where we have to recognize that height has nothing to do

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with whether or not you're an adult.

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And we continue to treat these people as though they're adults and they are not.

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We do not want, you don't want to argue with these people.

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They need a daycare.

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They need somebody who knows how to deal with children.

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We also need to eliminate financial incentives to act like children.

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Totally, totally.

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I mean, it's just so, of course you want this to be over, so take the steps necessary for

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it to be over because the steps you're taking make sure that it never fucking ends.

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It does seem that way.

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So if you want it to be over, then it has to end.

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You can't just say it's over, and that's the magical thinking that we're dealing with.

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It's just like, oh, if we say it's over, then it will be over.

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Well, I think one of the problems, too, is that they recognize that if everybody cooperates

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and goes along with things, you know, the measures that we've been taking, that there's

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a good chance that eventually we will get through this and that doctors will make some

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breakthroughs that are able to, maybe it is a vaccine, I don't know, and that is a nightmare

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for them because the possibility that doctors, the evil people in their conception end up

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being able to help us return to more of a normal state of affairs, that works totally

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against everything they need to be there.

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So I think that there's part of it that might even just be subconscious that is hoping to

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sabotage that.

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Yeah, if the government is the solution, then that's a refutation of everything they've

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ever believed.

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Right.

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Even if it is a weird government.

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Yeah.

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Even if it's the worst government in history, even if it's anything, if government is the

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reason that we get through this, then everything they've ever believed about fucking whatever,

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if Ayn Rand can go fuck itself, then they would rather die than be wrong.

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And Alex would rather die than actually read a short pamphlet.

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That is exactly the case.

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So I've noticed, and I haven't brought this up because I thought it was maybe a little

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bit gauche, but I've noticed that Alex has been coughing a bit on air and Alex brings

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that up and it's interesting what his interpretation of this is.

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Speaking of COVID-19, I don't cough like this except when I'm in this new studio and I think

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we should have the air conditioners checked in here because my wife was watching the show

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last night, the Sunday show, she's like, you got to keep pausing to cough.

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And yeah, it's when I come in here, maybe it's because the air conditioner is right

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above me, but it just makes me cough and it makes my bronchial seize up.

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So we need to have these air conditioners inspected or looked up.

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There's something, something's going on.

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I think that Alex is trying to put in place a possible other explanation in case he ends

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up getting COVID-19 from going to all of these rallies.

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Because certainly you wouldn't want that to be the optics of it, that yes, we went to

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all of these, open everything up rallies, and then your hero with the bullhorn shaking

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everyone's hands ends up getting sick.

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No, no.

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Someone's put something in the air conditioning unit or whatever.

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Gotta be.

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I don't know if Alex is sick, I have no idea, but I'm only bringing this up because he brought

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it up.

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And from my understanding of listening to Alex and knowing how his narratives work,

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that feels to me like preemptive, just in case kind of thing.

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He has been coughing a bit on air and this would be a good way for him to have a story

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in place in case he gets sick.

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Maybe just call it mold.

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Sure.

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He's got mold.

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He's got mold.

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Can't go on air.

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Yeah, sure.

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He's hospitalized for a few days, but that's no big deal.

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It's mold.

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So he gets to talking about this and how he probably has throat polyps and he probably

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should get surgery about it, but he can't because then he'd be off air because he couldn't

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talk for a few days.

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He's going to have some time.

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He might.

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Where is mine?

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This is not a plug, but it is a plug.

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Oh yes.

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I forgot about this.

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This will do.

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Lung cleanse, huh?

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There we go.

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People have been saying too, they noticed that I saw nurses and stuff on the website

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last night going, Alex, you've got polyps on your larynx.

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I guarantee you, you've got to get that checked.

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People are like, do you have throat cancer?

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You know, I have not had a checkup since I was like 42 and I definitely screamed too

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loud in a lot of demonstrations over the years.

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And so that's why my voice got very, very deep.

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This is not a put on with my voice and it does need a good rest at some point, but I'm

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told if I do have polyps, which I undoubtedly do, it would put me out for up to six weeks

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of not being able to talk.

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If I had the polyps removed, then my voice would be a lot better.

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But I do think I need to go get a checkup because it is going from being very deep,

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very baritone to sounding like rocks being put into a blender.

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So I am aware of that and that a lot of folks like my voice.

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I personally don't like it.

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And so maybe I should start just speaking at the very front of my mouth like this where

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I whisper because that's what's happening to my voice and I apologize for it, but that's

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just the way it is and it gets exacerbated with whatever is in this room.

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By the way, I guess I'll turn this into a plug.

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Most oh, if you have to throat or palate cleanser while I'm here, one or two essential

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oils or some menthol and it's something but alcohol.

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This is incredibly thick syrupy, so sometimes you got to pull the top off under hot water.

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It's all just a plug for his lung cleanse.

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That's gross.

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Yeah, it is really gross.

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What he just described is gross.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Pretty gross.

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Also go to the doctor, Alex.

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Oh, but he's probably worried that they'll call it COVID-19 and kill him for $39,000

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or something.

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Man, if a nurse is on the Infowars website.

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Alleged nurse.

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That's woof.

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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I don't want to go to that hospital.

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The second episode ends with an interview with Alan Keyes and it's not important, but

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also the second hour of the show is almost entirely an hour of David Icke being interviewed

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on that London Real show.

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They did their third interview in that series or whatever.

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It's stupid and I don't care about it, but it's kind of funny the way Alex is presenting

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it.

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He's talking about how great it is that London Real is setting up their own platform where

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the main can't censor things like this David Icke interview and how you have to support

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that.

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And simultaneously, Alex is insistent that people watch this London Real interview on

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Banned.video, which is literally driving traffic away from London Real towards Alex's own platforms

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and Alex is playing almost the whole interview on his own show.

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Hey, you gotta watch it on both, Dan.

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Support everybody.

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Gotta get those views.

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Gotta get those clicks.

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Write an article in The Hill.

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Doesn't matter.

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Alex is expressing that you need to support this thing just enough to profit off of it,

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which is kind of his M.O.

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Yeah.

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This is an interview where David Icke is arguing that there actually is no virus, which is

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an absolute and complete contradiction of everything that Alex is claiming to know definitively.

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Alex should not be promoting this interview without also taking issue with the things

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David is saying and deconstructing how he's wrong.

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If you're listening to Alex's show, you're hearing him yell about how the virus is a

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bioweapon created by Fauci and the Chinese, and simultaneously hearing him promote and

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tacitly support David Icke saying that the virus is completely made up.

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Alex tries to get around this glaring problem with stuff like this.

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I agree with 99% of what he's saying, other than just, you know, denying there's any virus

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at all.

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No, they had to release a simulant virus that does kill some people so that they can then

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counter it with their vaccine, but this is dead on.

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Stay with us.

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So the problem here is that the disagreement that Alex and Icke have, that they seem to

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have, it shouldn't be a matter of opinion whether or not there actually is a virus.

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Alex claims that all the things he's covered about the coronavirus are proven and absolutely

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factual, so his position should be that Icke is wrong.

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Alex had David Icke on his show recently, and the two are in contact, so Alex has had

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every opportunity to correct Icke about this clear misconception that he has about the

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virus being fake.

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That hasn't happened, and there's a good reason as to why.

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Alex isn't concerned with the truth, because if he was, he would have debated David Icke

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on the virus's reality when he was on the show, and one of two things would have happened.

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He would have either convinced Icke, at which point Icke would stop this bullshit, or he

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would have failed to convince Icke, which would have to lead to the pretty clear conclusion

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that Icke isn't interested in living in reality, and maybe a whole lot of his other ideas should

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be treated like they're coming from the same brain that insists that there is no virus.

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But really, neither of these outcomes are good for business.

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If Alex convinces Icke that he has to stop saying that there's no virus, then Icke loses

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the thing that makes him stand out in this time of craziness.

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His position in the market greatly decreases, because he's staked a claim that was demonstrably

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wrong, and he's had to admit he was wrong, having been outwitted by fucking Alex Jones

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of all people.

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Yeah, that'd be a real bummer for him.

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That doesn't work for him.

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Conversely, if Alex fails to convince Icke and has to conclude that Icke is a delusional

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weirdo who's expressing dangerous ideas for no reason, Alex can't co-opt the attention

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David Icke is getting for making these insane claims.

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Alex needs all the attention he can get at this point, and David Icke is exactly the

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sort of weirdo you can count on to say something stupid when the going gets tough.

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Each of these possibilities would hurt one of their abilities to run their game, and

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thus it's not something that can really happen.

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Whether or not there is a virus should be a foundational, primary disagreement between

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them, which should have to be resolved before you can get into anything else.

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If David Icke is right, then every coronavirus conspiracy Alex has claimed to have proven

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falls apart immediately, so it's not something that he should be so quick to wave off as

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a small 1% of David Icke's comments that he doesn't agree with.

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It's not disagreement.

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It should be things that Alex knows David Icke is wrong about, and if he cared at all

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about conveying accurate information, he would have corrected Icke about this when he was

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on the show.

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That blows up the game, though, as Alex punts and gives lip service to disagreeing about

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certain praises like, generally, so he can continue to profit off of the negative attention

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that David Icke is getting right now.

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That's how this game works.

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It's all maximize our outcomes and not do anything that explicitly ruins one of our

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ability to grift.

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Yep, and the ultimate side effect of that is also beneficial to them, which is destroying

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any trust in anything.

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Even the people you trust have a completely fundamental disagreement that nothing matters.

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Inherently contradictory.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No.

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Alex has Francis Boyle on the show on Sunday to say that there's double the deaths.

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We think, wow, Alex's reporting has proven fact that there's actually half the deaths

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that we report.

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On Monday, Alex has an hour of David Icke's interview saying that there is no virus, while

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he's saying, like, I disagree with that little detail.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one tiny little thing.

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That thing makes sense.

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Meanwhile, Alex is lying about his cannibalism rant throughout most of this.

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It's just, this show's dumb.

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The level of gaslighting that we live through on a daily basis now, I feel like we're living

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in Groundhog Day, where from day to day, nothing that happened yesterday has any effect on

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today.

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There's no narrative consistency.

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Nothing, every single day there's a new thing that is like, that's probably not true, and

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then you find out it's not, and then the next day, no one's held accountable for lying,

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so they just do it all over again.

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I think part of that is because Trump is president, and because we focus on Alex Jones.

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We probably feel it far more intensely than someone who doesn't do this, and so it can

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impact more, but yeah, I think it's tough, and yeah, I don't know.

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I was kind of disappointed that his Monday show was an hour of David Icke and an hour

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of Alan Keyes, because that's like nothing for me.

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I don't care at all.

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So I mean, a lot of this is, it seems like he's really trying to keep the cannibalism

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story alive, because it's his best play to get eyes on his shit.

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It's not gonna work, though.

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The only reason that it did get him attention was because he meant it, because he wasn't

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doing any fake satire bullshit.

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It's because everybody saw that clip and were like, that is a genuine moment of a man saying

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that he is going to eat people.

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And so everything after that is going to be manufactured and disingenuous.

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Yeah, and it's gonna be diminishing returns.

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He's gonna, it probably is a giant spike, and then, I mean, I do think that there'll

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be a small amount of people, some percentage that he'll be able to sway, but I don't think

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it'll be all that much.

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I think it'll be a flash in the pan, and I don't know what else you can do.

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Like I keep saying this whenever he does stuff like this, like I don't know what the next

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outburst is gonna need to be.

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It's like, how do you, like, the public's attention is now at the level of, Alex said

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he'll eat his neighbors.

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If he says something like, I'll beat up a stranger, no one cares.

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He's gotta buy a rocket.

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Something like that.

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Yeah, he's gotta buy something big, something stupid, something flashy.

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Because he can't talk.

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He already bought a tank.

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I know he bought a tank, but that wasn't flashy.

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That wasn't flashy, that was black.

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It was a little flashy.

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He needs something with rainbows on it.

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It was garish.

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I will give you that.

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Because, yeah, I don't know what his strategy for attention is moving forward.

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Actually eat his neighbor.

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Maybe try and settle the Sandy Hook lawsuit.

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Nothing would be more satirical than actually eating your neighbor at this point, right?

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That's what satire is.

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Deciding he's gonna defend, like represent himself in the Sandy Hook case.

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See, that's what he's gonna have to do.

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Oh, God.

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That would be a disaster.

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Rob Doo should do it.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Absolutely.

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I guess, I think that our next episode is going to be maybe some fireworks, because

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by the point that Monday's episode was happening, Alex didn't, or at least the news hadn't broken

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that Norm had left the case.

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So the, some of that stuff is increasing frustration.

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I do think that towards the middle of this week, you're probably going to end up seeing

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some mess.

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So I'm sticking around this present and hoping that I don't have to do another literary deconstruction

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of Alex's cannibalism rant, because I'm done with it.

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I'm done.

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If he brings it up again, I'm not going to discuss it.

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I've said far more than my piece, and I'm sorry if anybody is...

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You've said everything that needed to be said and a little bit more for good measure, which

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I think I appreciate.

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So we'll be back, Jordan, but until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefright.com.

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You bet.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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Is that knowledgefright?

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Go to bed, Jordan.

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We are also on Facebook.

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Indeed, we are.

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And if you'd like to download the show if you go to iTunes, leave a review, go to the

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Patreon, or if you could, please donate to a local charity in your area, that would be

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very appreciated.

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You bet.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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I'm...

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Who?

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Nope.

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Trying to make a pun of Taylor, Jonathan Swift, Jonathan Taylor Thomas Swift.

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I can't do it.

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Anyway, we'll be back.

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See you.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Thank you so much for having me.