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Hello Alex, I'm a system color, I'm a huge fan
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I love your work
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan
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I'm Jordan
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones
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Indeed we are, Dan
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Jordan
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Dan
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Jordan
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Let me ask you a quick question
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Sure
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How have you traditionally dealt with being in a creative rut?
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I, I, I, not well
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Do you have any coping mechanisms?
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I mean there were a number of years where it was booze
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Uh, certainly that would be a go-to of like I, I'm stuck, I can't get anything done
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glug glug glug
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Yeah, yeah
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I'm not getting anything done
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Why am I not getting anything done?
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Certainly that didn't work
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Um, no, I have no answer for you
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I guess actually I kind of do have an answer for you
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but it's incredibly unsatisfying
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Okay
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And that is just keep working
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Right, right, right, right
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Legitimately
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That's the only thing that I've ever found
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I mean I guess like in past times things like meditation and mindfulness
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Uh, have yielded some positive results
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but I would be kind of putting on airs if I used that as like an actual
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Sure, sure, sure, sure
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Actual piece of advice since it's not really a consistent part of my life
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Um, but yeah just keep making things, keep moving forward
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It was something I, it was impressed upon me in some
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I believe it was some like creative writing class I took long ago
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It was like you can't control the quality of what you create
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Sometimes things will be good, sometimes things will be bad
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But you can control the quantity
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And so if you create a hundred things and three are good
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That's better than sitting around and trying desperately to create that one good thing
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For sure, for sure
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And not allowing yourself to do anything, get anything done
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Unless it's as good as you want it to be
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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So I would say that's probably the best
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Just keep doing stuff, keep working
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And eventually exercise some, you know, oversight of what you put out or what you release
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Yeah, yeah, well
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So everyone can't see those 97 pieces of shit that you created
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And they think that, oh my god, he's created three things and they're all amazing
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That's the key, that's the trick
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So this has been my episode of Master Class
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I think you did great
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Stay tuned for Gordon Ramsay, teaching you how to cook
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Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about just keeping on doing things
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And a lot about Alex Jones
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And I know a little bit about both
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Right, so Jordan, today we're back on the present day
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I wanted to check in since we had the 2013 episode on Monday
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For sure
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And so I started listening to January 12th, that was Sunday's episode
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And I got incredibly bored and stopped listening halfway through
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Good call
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Only to be hit right in the face with something terrifying on the January 13th, Monday episode
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Sure
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And so that is what we'll be going over today
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Great
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But before we get to that, we gotta take a little moment to say thank you
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To some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show
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Wonderful
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So first of all, John with an O-H, John D, last initial D, thank you so much
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You are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much, John D
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Did you know that that's the name of the original wizard?
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Of the Oz?
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No, the beginning, the guy who first dressed like a wizard
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Merlin
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He was, he's the basis for Merlin
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Uh-huh
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He was, I can't remember, he was the court magician slash
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D-E-E?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, John D
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Yeah
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It's also the John D Rockefeller Foundation
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That's fair
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Makes reading rainbow possible, so thank you
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I like the difference between us, I go straight to wizard
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And you're like, John D Rockefeller, okay
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The foundation
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Yeah
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Help me read
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Um, so also Jerry, J-A-R-R-Y, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much, Jerry
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Next, Hannah, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk
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Thank you, Hannah
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John with no H, John with no H, last initial M, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, John M
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John M MacArthur Foundation
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Thank you so much
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Next, Sylvia, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Sylvia.
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Thank you.
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Next, Hakon.
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I'm almost certainly mispronouncing that, H-A-K-O-N, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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Thank you so much, Hakon.
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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who donated on an elevated
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level and we appreciate it very much.
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So Larry, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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Craig, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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And Villa, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much to Larry.
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Thank you so much, Craig.
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And thank you so much, Villa.
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Yes.
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Thank you very much to all three of you.
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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.
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I'd like to support what these giants do.
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You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button says support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Very helpful.
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Now, Jordan, before we get down to today's episode, what I thought I would do is cause
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some dissension in the ranks between you and me.
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No, I want to split the audience.
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OK.
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All right.
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I have two out of context drops and I would like the audience to sound off on which they
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think is a better drop.
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Sure.
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Why not?
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So here's the first one.
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It is a little bit heady.
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You know what I really think about the world is what I say on air, like I say things on
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air.
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I never say in private.
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This is like my secret place right in front of the whole world.
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The secret place in front of the whole world.
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What is happening?
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Alex's show is like, what is happening?
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Is this Buddhism?
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What is happening right now?
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The only place you really can be private is in front of everybody.
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So that's the first one.
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Right.
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Option one.
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OK.
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Here's the second option.
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You're psychic and that's been proven.
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Psychic horses.
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I'm pretty sure I know which team I'm on.
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Secret place in public.
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Secret horses.
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Psychic horses.
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Team psychic horse.
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I'm all team psychic horse.
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Team secret public place.
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All right.
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Enough fucking around.
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OK.
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Let's get down to business.
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So we're starting on the 12th because I was listening to the show and it's interesting
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because this is a Sunday show that is absolutely in the mold of the we're going to soft launch
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some narratives.
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Sure.
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This is, this is definitely that sort of Sunday show where he's doing a trial run.
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You know, we're not on the main show.
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We're only on the stations that carry the Sunday show or whatever.
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Diminished viewership.
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Psychic horses.
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Let's get down to it and see how this feels coming out of my mouth.
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So Alex starts a couple of narratives right at the top of the show and they're absurd.
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It is January 12th on this Sunday broadcast 2020 and we have definitely entered the quickening.
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Everything hidden is now beginning to be revealed.
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This is going to be a bumpy ride.
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Californian textbooks for eighth graders officially have blood drinking and vampirism as part
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of sexual pleasure for multiple pages.
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That's coming up.
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That's coming up.
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All right.
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How many years have we been in the quickening now?
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So many.
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So many years.
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It's a slow inning.
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So this was a difficult story to tell exactly what Alex was talking about because of the
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phrasing of it.
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It's, it's, you know, that's not super easily Google-able.
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Okay.
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So it turns out this is just an article that Alex's employee, John Bowne wrote for the
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Info Wars website.
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That's all that's going on.
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What do we got?
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Even if you believe everything that's in John Bowne's article, which I do not, Alex is still
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wrong.
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He is here on air saying that this stuff is being taught to eighth graders.
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When the article specifically says that it's part of curriculum for ninth through 12th
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graders, Alex Jones cannot help himself.
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He just reflexively embellishes literally everything he talks about.
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It's you just got to lie, you just got to lie.
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Now as to whether or not California students are being taught about blood drinking for
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sexual pleasure, I'm not sure that this article that John Bowne wrote, uh, establishes that
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according to Bowne's article, he saw a Facebook post on a page for already out, shut the fuck
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up bound.
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This is the primary source.
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Fuck off a post on this Facebook page for a group called informed parents of Washington.
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They claimed that there was a book called sex that was on the suggested reading list
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for high school students ninth grade.
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No first problem.
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This is just a Facebook page, which is not a sturdy foundation to use as the base for
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your reporting.
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Second problem.
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This is the informed parents of Washington talking shit about education in California,
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which seems like them working across purposes.
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Yeah.
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Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense why this is in their purview.
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Well it doesn't say the informed about Washington group.
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It's the informed parents group from Washington.
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Oh yeah.
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That's true.
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They don't know anything about Washington.
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That might.
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They just live there.
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Yeah, that might work.
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All right.
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I'll accept your.
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Okay.
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So bound rights quote to the textbook allegedly contained a chapter on anal sex and vampiric
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sexual practices known as blood play.
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First of all, this is not a textbook and even according to that article, it wasn't required
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reading.
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It was just on a suggested list and if you know anything about high schoolers, most of
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them are not going to do much reading or homework that is not required.
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So blood play is not inherently satanic or vampiric, though some participants may lick
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or even drink each other's blood.
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But my position on this is sort of, uh, like if they're doing this responsibly and both
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parties are into it, who cares?
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Alex pretends to be a libertarian, so he should care even less than I do.
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The issue here, and one of the reasons I could see this being very valuable as like some
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information, uh, you know, being there in a sex ed program that's available to the students
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is that kind of play can be pretty dangerous if you're in, if you're not engaging in it
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responsibly.
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Sure.
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It's a pretty widespread kink, like not super universal, but it's one that, you know, a
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number of people have, which tends to imply that it's not just going to go away if the
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right wing pretends it doesn't exist.
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So the best thing you can do to make sure people who are drawn to that kink, uh, the
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best thing is to have them make sure they have all the information they need.
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You do not understand the right wing sex, sex education.
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First and foremost, abstinence only second shame.
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The end.
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Yeah.
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I could see why you definitely don't need to make blood play front and center in your
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sex ed curriculum, but it feels appropriate to have some resources available for people
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if they want.
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That is fun.
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The idea that everybody coming into the sex ed class is already so versus like, well,
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we got to find something new to teach them.
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I just heard about blood play on a Facebook post.
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Let's get on this.
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Yeah.
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So I went and checked out the Facebook page for informed parents of Washington.
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And let me begin my review of it by saying that I would probably be a bit embarrassed
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if I use this as a primary source, as best as I can tell from scrolling all the way down
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their timeline.
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This page first posted on December 9th, 2019.
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So it's been about around about a year and it only has 220 followers.
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It's completely anonymous and seems just to be obsessed with anti-sex education news.
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There's very little emphasis even on Washington.
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So your theory about it just being informed, but not about Washington might be accurate.
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This is barely even a real group and info wars has picked up his Facebook posts from
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them and relied on it to source their reporting.
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This is really embarrassing stuff.
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And later I even learned that I think the John Bowne article is based on an article
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on national file, which again is run by Alex's employee, Tom Papert.
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So they're even laundering it through a second thing, but it all traces just back to this
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Facebook post.
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Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we spout bullshit.
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Also, even according to this info war story on this quote, following a massive public
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outcry, it was removed.
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That's right.
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This book they're so offended by that it was on the suggested reading list, isn't even
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on that list anymore because they complained really loudly.
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That's classic info wars.
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Just complete bullshit spin on a poorly sourced story covering a non-problem that they've
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already got their way on the bunch of assholes.
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I know just a bunch of it's just never going to end.
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So anyway, vampires are in the schools.
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I bet they're super pro vaccine.
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I'm sure.
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Oh, they sound like they're way into vaccine.
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It's so interesting that you say that because that is the subject of the next.
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There we go.
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The next headline Alex has the UN's head officials admit major vaccine deaths and injury coverups.
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So that's the next.
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We got the UN admitting a vaccine coverup.
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So this article or this story appears to be based on a national file article, which again,
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like I said, run by Alex's employee, Tom Pappert.
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So this is a story about Dr. Soumya Swaminathan giving a speech.
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She's a leading UN world health organization doctor and researcher scientist.
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She's giving a speech where, which is basically about how there's a lack of thorough safety
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monitoring systems in many countries around the world, and it creates optics where propagandists
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can latch onto some ambiguities and use it to attack vaccines.
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There we go.
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She's not saying there's a coverup, just advocating that the international health organizations
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do a better and more comprehensive job.
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So anti-vex people can't wiggle into the gray areas.
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She does say that there are deaths that could be traced to vaccines, but no one disputes
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that.
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Alex is pretending that this is some kind of a giant admission when it's literally just
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how medicine works.
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There isn't a medicine or treatment on this planet that I'm aware of that doesn't have
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some death toll.
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So this is definitely not her slipping up and revealing there's some kind of a coverup
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going on.
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You know, it's funny to me that I think Alex prefers doctors from the 15th century who
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would be like, bloodletting is a great idea.
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Leeches.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He would tell you there was a coverup of how leeches are real medicine.
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Yeah, exactly.
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100%.
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Yeah, I don't doubt that for a second.
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But don't play with the blood, Dan.
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So Alex is pretending that he and his crew have been pouring over hours and hours of
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footage from this World Health Organization summit where this woman gave this speech.
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But in reality, the only thing he ever produces is a video that some anti-vex group that he
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doesn't name created, which includes a very short clip of Dr. Suamanathan out of context.
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I find this narrative super uncompelling.
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If Alex really had some kind of a smoking gun like he's claiming he has, he would have
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released the entire raw footage of this meeting, because he's saying that they're not putting
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it out.
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We have copies of it.
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We've been going over it.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the reason he's not doing that is because
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he knows that the context of the larger conversation would tend to contradict the narrative that
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he's building.
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And it's not in his best interest to allow that.
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Yeah, that's what happens whenever you start stealing Facebook posts from the informed
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parents of Oklahoma.
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You've got a lot worse anti-vex shit going on there.
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Yeah.
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There's actually more to this that I looked into that we'll get into a little bit later,
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sort of trace down some of the roots of where this is all coming from.
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But for now, I just found him bringing this up.
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This is a very uncompelling narrative, just sloppy work in his anti-vex crusade.
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But little did I know.
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See, I work quite a bit on this show.
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I do a lot of reading, a lot of preparation, editing.
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I do a lot of just sort of, and I'm not complaining, I'm not sitting here.
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But I didn't know how much more Alex works than me, because I hadn't considered that
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all this time that I think he's sleeping, he's actually working.
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I don't know if you knew that.
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I don't believe that.
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I'm not making stuff up here.
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I don't believe that either.
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98% of the time, I'm dead on accurate.
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But let's just move on from that.
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I'm just explaining to people that I don't blow smoke.
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I really live this.
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I had eight hours of dreams last night of work.
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I mean, I work in my dreams, and they're very clarion, very central.
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And I was working the whole time on what we're going to do.
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I just want you to know, I'm fully committed.
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Look, I'm not one of these guys who's like real wet blankety about the potential of the
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subconscious.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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I just don't believe Alex was working in his dreams.
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I don't know.
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Doc invented time travel in his dreams.
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Does this imply that maybe he was going over some of the footage of the World Health Organization
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in his dreams?
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I think that might be the case.
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Either that, or he was the original inventor of DreamWorks Animation.
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There's only one explanation that I can see.
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I would say that there's some explanatory power in the fact that he works in his dreams
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with the fact that he's afraid of vampires.
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That's fair.
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You might be able to draw a line between his obsession with vampires and nightmares that
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he might be having.
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I'm just furious that he gets a full eight hours of sleep.
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That makes me angry.
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Right.
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I can't get eight hours of sleep.
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Neither can I.
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Brutal.
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Yeah.
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I went to bed at midnight last night and got up at two because I hadn't fallen asleep.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Laying in bed for two hours straight.
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Just ugh.
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Oh, brutal.
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Like I said, Alex is afraid of vampires, and he talks about that a little more here.
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Now, let me tell you the next thing, why I'm so freaked out.
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I've known that vampirism, the drinking of blood, is at the heart of Hollywood.
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I didn't know that from movies or anything.
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I was in some movies, got involved, went there, and had people tell me, and then I saw it.
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California textbooks are now teaching eight-year-olds, it broke today, it's on Infowars.com, to drink
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blood as a sexual preference.
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And they teach them about blood play.
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And I went, wait a minute, I was told that by a former high-level FBI years ago.
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Bullshit.
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And I looked it up, and there they're teaching children hardcore Satanism.
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I'm going to show you that too, folks, and believe me, you don't want to look at it,
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but you got to look at it because that's what these people are.
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These are actual devil worshipers.
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Their bodies don't live forever, but the spirits that are in them transcend.
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We're going to talk about it when we come back.
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Immortal evil spirits are teaching your kids to be vampires in schools, and oh boy.
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You can put dramatic music all you want over that.
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That's still lame bullshit.
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Come on, that is weak tea.
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Yeah, it's pretty lame.
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So Alex starts rambling about how this sounds crazy, but really, this has always been the
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case.
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Sure.
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Like, you remember how there was that whole satanic panic in the 80s?
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Yeah, that turned out to be a bunch of, oh no, you're shaking your head at me.
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That was true?
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All of that was real?
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None of it was made up?
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Nope.
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Are you sure?
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It turns out 100% real, and the FBI has admitted it.
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Okay.
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So I was growing up and I would hear the leftist propaganda that, oh, there's all these squares
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that don't want you to have a girlfriend, don't want you to drink a beer, don't want
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you to have fun.
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Weird music choice.
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I am, who is doing this?
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Very strange.
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Who is doing this?
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I don't know.
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Oh man.
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And they're all paranoid, and they claim there's, you know, the 1980s Satanism hysteria doesn't
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exist.
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Even though law enforcement was reporting it, there were thousands of convictions of
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human sacrifice, murder, Satanism, they would, they would say Geraldo Rivera, he's putting
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out hoaxes.
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None of it exists.
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The Satanism hysteria, the Satanism panic.
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And then those files get me classified 30 years later.
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And it's everything that the police were warning us about was real.
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So classifying satanic panic documents.
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Well, I mean, there is, this is shorthand for something you're just going to have to
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trust me on this because Alex isn't explicitly saying this in this clip.
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But I know from listening to his show that when he says that the FBI declassified stuff
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that proves the satanic panic was a real thing, what he's talking about is the recent release
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of the files on the finders.
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This is just shorthand that he brings up all the time.
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And any consistent listener of his show would know that when he brings up the FBI releasing
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files that prove this stuff, it's generally accompanied by discussion of the group.
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The finders last October, the FBI released their file on this group.
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They were a group that was the, one of the central focuses of the last big satanic panic.
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I'm absolutely certain that Alex has not read these files since it's 324 pages long and
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there aren't any dank memes in it.
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That's troublesome.
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Yeah.
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They should let a dankula take a pass at that if he can't edit it down.
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Yeah.
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Punch this up.
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Do you know anything about this finders?
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No, I do know about the losers weepers, but I don't know anything about the finders.
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They're not keepers.
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Oh, okay.
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So according to conspiracy lore, two men were arrested in Tallahassee, Florida back in 1987
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on child abuse charges.
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They were found with six children who weren't related to them and they were uncooperative
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with the police when they were asked about who the kids were or to provide their identities
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or anything.
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These men were part of a cult called the finders who were based in Washington DC and they were
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threatened by someone who was called the game caller.
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Oh boy.
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The feds would go on to raid the finders and find proof of how they operated as a child
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abuse ring with kidnapping and grooming and taking in children.
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Somehow US intelligence is involved as like using them as like cutouts or something.
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Probably Congress is in on it too since they're in DC.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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So the FBI files on the finders, they're pretty much a dud.
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It actually reveals how much of this narrative is based on paranoid fantasies that were very
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common in the cultural psyche back in the 80s.
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There was a full investigation of these two men who were arrested in Tallahassee.
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The police were able to find the parents of the six children and quote, the mothers were
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all aware that the children had been taken to Florida on a trip.
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They were familiar with and thoroughly trusted the men in whose care the children had been
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placed.
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The men would go on to spend about 10 days in a local jail and then were released.
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The US attorney's office declined to prosecute the case largely because there wasn't strong
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evidence of any specific crime.
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A special agent whose name is redacted from the files quote, advised that the media blew
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the case out of proportion.
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And that's basically what you find happening throughout a lot of the issues in the satanic
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panic.
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Yeah, it bums me out that while it's happening, people don't realize that they're redoing
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the witch hunt, the witch burnings like, guys, we've done this before.
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But I mean, you don't even have to go back that far.
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I mean, if you just look at that, like, yeah, no, every 30 years, there's more easy to relate
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to being in the 80s as opposed to the like 1600s.
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So I've read over most of the finders files and it seems like the conclusion one should
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come to is that this was a group of people who wanted to live an alternative lifestyle,
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sort of a commune kind of vibe under the leadership of a weirdo called the game caller.
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Yeah.
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I mean, hey, if you could, it's good work.
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If you can get it running a cult is easy stuff.
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Apparently, what do you do is you would tell people in the group things to do in order
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to gain experiences because he would learn through their experience.
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Love it.
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Love it.
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He's gamifying knowledge.
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That's perfect.
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Somewhat.
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I'm sure there was some like nefarious angle to it, too.
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Well, obviously, I'm sure it was I'm sure there was not great things.
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No, no, of course.
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It was loot boxes all over again.
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It's entirely possible that some abuse was taking place in that environment.
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And I I'm not saying that there wasn't, but also FBI investigation failed to produce any
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proof of it.
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The rest of this shit, the stuff that Alex believes it's all just cultural exaggeration
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due to what was happening at the United States at that time.
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With that book, Michelle remembers being released and the McMartin school trials creating a
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fever pitch of fear around satanic child abuse in particular circles in our country.
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Yeah.
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What happens to daycare people was a fucking travesty.
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People don't remember how long that trial was, too.
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It went on for fucking ever insane.
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So that's all that's going on.
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This is just a remnant of that.
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And Alex is trying to re bring it back up.
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We've talked about it even like a ways back.
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This has been a pretty consistent thing that Alex is into in the present day of like trying
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to whip one of these things up.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I mean, you wouldn't have to whip it up into a frenzy if vampires weren't teaching
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kids vampirism in school.
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I really don't like it when you say that sentence and I'm supposed to take it like it's a thing
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that it's okay to say.
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Well, I mean, it's 2020.
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It's just reality.
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Next segment, I will come in like a news reporter and cover the next thing just as a father
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and as a human.
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It's hard to do.
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And then I'll tie it together with all the things that are happening, but report California
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eighth graders taught anal bondage sex involving blood in sex ed classes.
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Now I saw that national file article that was posted up on news wars dot com and I thought
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what the hell is blood play now when I've read about that, that's that's what vampires
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call it when they're killing somebody and sure as hell I pulled it up, man.
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And it is what you do when you're killing somebody and playing in their blood when they
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kill a baby rolling around.
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And so, you know, I did a little bit of research on that and it was something I wanted to forget
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and it was sure as hell going on.
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They're going directly to the most sick stuff they can.
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I would love to know what the research entailed there.
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I looked it up and sure enough, sure enough, vampires do when they're killing you.
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You know, I love hearing jargon for from, you know, like insulated communities.
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When you get a view inside, I like to find out that that's what vampires call it whenever
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they're about to.
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Yeah, totally.
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Alex has a lot of high level vampire sources so that Van Helsing, of course, of course,
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Blade naturally.
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Now he doesn't hang out with Blade, though.
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Blade still, Blade still has to drink a little blood from time to time.
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Right.
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But he's a good resource.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Not a lot of daywalkers out there.
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I'll tell you, I was getting pretty impatient with this episode.
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It was, it was probably because you were forced to take vampires was real.
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I was probably about half hour in and I was really losing my will to live like I was just,
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so I got to a commercial that Alex did.
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This is what made me turn it off.
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I was just like, I'm not listening to this episode anymore.
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Knock on wood.
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I am not tempting fate, but everybody around the office, especially folks that have worked
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there a long time, have noticed that I really don't ever get sick.
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Now again, I might get sick tomorrow because I just made that statement.
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I'm not tempting fate.
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I'll say that again because I am superstitious when it comes down to that.
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Alex thinks...
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That's an ad read?
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Yes.
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It's so sloppy and lazy.
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He's rambling about how saying that he never gets sick is going to make him get sick because
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he's superstitious about that.
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You can hear from the background, he's recording this in his car.
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Yeah, I know.
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That's crazy.
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That's crazy.
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Look, I never get sick.
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I'm going to make myself sick.
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Talk about my pills.
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All right.
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Put it up.
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I just can't imagine that.
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Like I imagine now McDonald's putting Ronald McDonald in a commercial just him driving
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being like, I'm telling you, McDonald's food is the freshest now.
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I may be wrong tomorrow.
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I may be wrong tomorrow because you know, the everyday changes.
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Everything is new.
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Try some...
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I'm loving it, but maybe not tomorrow.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Anyways, buy McDonald's.
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I hit my breaking point kind of.
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There's nothing good that's going to come of this episode.
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Like obviously he's teasing.
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He's going to get into these vampire shit and it's like, okay, we've heard you do this
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rant before.
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This isn't new.
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You're just fabricating a new story to enable you to do this rant.
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Right, right, right.
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To go back and play the hits, so to speak.
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Yeah.
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I'm not going to fucking listen to a tease for a product that's already on the market.
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I have better things to do than wait around for that.
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So I jumped to Monday's episode and holy shit.
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The individual that I believe is controlled opposition, Richard Spencer on the show.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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You know, the okay to punch a Nazi guy.
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I don't think it's okay to punch anybody who hasn't punched you first.
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But unless they're not.
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My God just reeks of being synthetic.
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So when Alex first said that Richard Spencer was going to be on his show, I thought, yeah,
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it sounds about right.
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Alex's show is in the middle of spiraling the drain of plausible deniability.
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So why not make some of this shit super overt?
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Then Alex said that he's having him on because he believes that Spencer is controlled opposition,
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which could look like Alex having him on for a confrontational interview.
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But I assure you that Alex is not equipped to have that kind of interview with a slick
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media polished bigot like Richard Spencer.
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Do you not think that Spencer has been called controlled opposition like a thousand times
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by now?
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Do you not think he has a million deflections and rebuttals to that criticism at this point?
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I've seen Richard Spencer in a number of debates and conversations, both friendly and in hostile
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environments.
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And when I heard Alex tease this interview, all I could think is that this is going to
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be a disaster.
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Spencer is much better at rhetoric stuff than Alex and Alex is very gullible.
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I just imagined Richard Spencer becoming the like new geopolitical expert and Alex's whack
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pack.
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Yeah, for sure.
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For sure.
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Like honestly, that's how badly I first saw this going.
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Like he's going to give him a job.
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I see this ending the way that, uh, Stefan Molyneux's special report in Poland ends where
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he's just like, Alex is just like, you know what?
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You convinced me I'm a Nazi now.
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In reality, let's just cut through the bullshit.
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I think Alex is probably having Spencer on mostly because Spencer recently tweeted that
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he regrets ever supporting Trump.
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They're now on opposite sides of the white identity scene.
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So there needs to be some kind of a smoothing that out, a meeting of the minds, if you will.
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That's the sense I get of what probably precipitated this.
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And also they're both pathetic enough at this point in their careers that they would appear
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on the show together.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That would not have happened a couple of years back in other career circumstances.
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Right, right, right.
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Like back in 2017, 20, maybe even some 2018, 2016, Richard Spencer would have seen himself
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as being so far above going on Alex's show.
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He would never, he would not have done it.
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He got profiles in major newspapers, the times did a fawning Nazis dress well.
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Yeah.
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And at the same time, at that point, Alex wouldn't have seen himself as being in a position
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where having Spencer on could be anything worth doing.
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Can't go full Nazi yet.
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Or even like it's not worth it to, even if I'm going to present him as false opposition
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or whatever, that's not even in my best interests.
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No.
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Neither of them had a stake in that.
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And now their lives have derailed to the point where it's like, fuck it, I'll go on in fours.
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Fuck it.
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I'll talk to Richard Spencer.
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I got nothing better to do.
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Yeah.
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So we know that Alex has had David Duke on the show.
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Yep.
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So this is sort of a second, uh, run and interestingly, Alex talks about that, about how like Spencer,
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Richard Spencer is probably the most famous white supremacist in America outside of David
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Duke.
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Right.
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So Alex says some things about David Duke and keep in mind, he's not defending David
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Duke.
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Sure.
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Richard Spencer, other than David Duke is one of the most famous white nationalists,
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white supremacists in the world.
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And I do not believe David Duke is a fed.
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I do not believe David Duke, uh, is an operative for the deep state.
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I don't agree with David Duke on a lot of things, but for the media to demonize David
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Duke and call him the worst person on earth because he is racially based when all the
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minority groups are being taught to be just as racist, but that's acceptable.
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He's a fraud and I'm not here defending David Duke.
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David Dukes attacked me before Alex says he's not defending David Duke, but that's exactly
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what that is.
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A defensive David Duke.
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You might recall that in August, 2015, Alex had David Duke on the show in an interview
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that I'm sure Alex thought would be as big chance to prove that he wasn't like Duke.
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It was a miserable failure because David Duke is a guy who's been attacked for his horrible
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positions for decades.
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And through that, he's gained a little bit of an ability to out argue people who aren't
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prepared for debates.
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What I find very interesting is that here in 2020, Alex is saying that he doesn't agree
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with Duke, but that Alex is against the media saying Duke is banned for being racially based
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when all the other races are racially based.
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This is interesting because when David Duke was on Alex's show just four and a half years
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ago, Alex made the exact opposite argument to him.
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Alex's big disagreement with Duke was the fact that Duke was racially based and that
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focusing on race was a globalist distraction.
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That's all changed now, and Alex is okay with racially based identification and grouping.
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This is a fundamental important pivot that Alex has made, whether or not it reflects
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his true opinion or not.
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In 2015, prior to joining up with Trump, Alex's show is explicit in its position that grouping
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based on race was a globalist trick.
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Now, Alex thinks it's cool for David Duke to do what he does because he feels that other
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races are doing the same thing.
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Alex's show has always been profoundly racist and white identity heavy, but that change
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in presentation I think is important to note.
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Yeah.
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The only things they disagree on now are like seafood choices.
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Optics.
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Like Alex doesn't like oysters, you know.
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Optics of seafood choices.
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Yeah.
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David Duke does love halal.
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Sure.
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It's weird.
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He's got a weird thing.
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So, David Duke is not a fed and he's not fake, but Spencer is.
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Sure.
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Spencer, the guy is as phony as a $3 bill and I'll just say that up front.
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He's wants to come on the show and I'll say it.
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He acts and looks and behaves and his M.O. is just like somebody that's controlled opposition.
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I don't have proof of that.
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No shit you don't.
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That's great.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that means that Alex is going to spend all of his time agreeing
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with Richard Spencer, but still being like, yeah, but you're here to make us look bad.
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It doesn't go great.
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Yeah.
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We'll get to that when we get to it.
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Oh boy.
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But yeah, I think the theme is pretty well spelled out in that clip and that is that
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I have a vague accusation to make, but I have nothing to base it on and that will be very
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easily dismissed.
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Yeah.
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That's kind of what's going to happen.
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Yeah.
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So Alex gets back to this UN vaccine story.
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And the reason that I'm taking one from the 12th and here one in the 13th is that when
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he was talking about it on the 12th, I didn't really know how to get a handle on what he
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was talking about.
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I don't really understand where this information was coming from necessarily, but when he brings
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it back up on the 13th, he gives a little bit more detail and he gives me a way in.
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We've now gone over the 20 hours of it.
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It's linked on Band.video under our report to the full video on the UN site before they
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take it down.
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So Alex here is saying that he's gone over this 20 hours of footage from the World Health
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Organization Summit about vaccines and that he's going to link the videos on Band.video.
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Great.
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That's all I wanted.
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I don't mind going over hours of footage to get a better understanding of what's going
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on here.
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Like imagine my excitement when Alex made that announcement.
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He's got the links up for the video.
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Awesome.
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So I run over to Band.video and the first video about the UN vaccine shit that I click
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on only as a link to the Infowars store on it, and that is not going to be helpful.
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So I click on a second video that Alex put out about this story, and that one does have
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links, but they aren't links to 20 hours of footage.
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There are two links.
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One is to a two-minute, 49-second clip of Dr. Swaminathan, which is devoid of context
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and meaningless.
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The second link is much more relevant since it's clearly the entire source that Alex is
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working off of.
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This is a nine-minute video that highlights multiple short clips from the summit.
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It was a video produced by a show called The High Wire with Del Bigtree, which appears
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to be largely a show that produces anti-vex content.
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For some insight, they had Andrew Wakefield as a guest four months ago, which is a bad
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sign.
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That's good.
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That's bad.
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And everybody agrees that he is still the foremost expert on why you shouldn't take
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vaccines.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Del Bigtree is one of the producers of the pseudo-documentary Vaxxed, which pushed the
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discredited Wakefield vaccines cause autism narrative.
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Bigtree has no medical education or training.
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He is a TV producer who formerly worked on the Dr. Phil show, who eventually learned
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about Andrew Wakefield and was swayed by that bullshit and went fully down that road.
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In March of last year, Bigtree caught some heat from Jewish organizations after he gave
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an anti-vax speech wearing a yellow star meant to compare the plight of the anti-vax community
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to that of Jews during the Holocaust.
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That is...
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I would say it was right for him to catch some heat.
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Gold star work, buddy.
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Bigtree is the founder and CEO of the Informed Consent Action Network, an anti-vaccination
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group, one of the most prominent in the country.
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He started the group in 2016, receiving a $100,000 grant from the Sells Foundation,
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a charitable organization run by Bernard Sells and his wife Lisa, who coincidentally is the
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president of the Informed Consent Action Network.
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In 2012, the Sells gave $200,000 to Andrew Wakefield's legal fund, which kicked off a
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rash of big-dollar contributions to anti-vax efforts and went on to provide much of the
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funding for that pseudo-documentary of his, Vaxxed, which was produced by Del Bigtree.
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It's important to remember that rich people are all fucking stupid.
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It's also important to remember that 2012 is two years after Wakefield was convicted
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of professional misconduct and had his license revoked, so it's not like he was a guy in
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good standing that these people just wanted to support.
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According to Business Insider, $1 million, or three-quarters of Del Bigtree's budget,
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came from the Sells Foundation in 2017.
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And that isn't even close to all the anti-vax stuff the Sells Foundation has supported.
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They've given millions more to other outfits that spread misinformation about vaccines,
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to the point where it'd be pretty fair to say that without their money funding a lot
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of this stuff, anti-vax shit wouldn't be nearly as prevalent as it is.
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It's unclear exactly what their motivation is in spending millions of dollars to push
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debunked and discredited science, but what is very clear is that these are the people
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who are largely behind the popularity of anti-vax narratives.
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People like Alex love to pretend that it's all just a grassroots thing where normal,
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everyday people were given a voice through social media, and that's why the conversation
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is happening.
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But it's not.
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It's well-funded, backed by these multi-millionaires.
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That's so frustrating that we always get, like so many people like to mock that white
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lady who's like, oh, I don't want to, no, no, no, I don't believe in that, and home
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birth and goop and all that shit, whenever it's fucking these people who are the issue.
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It boils down to who is astroturfing what, and why are we making fun of the people who
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got tricked by it instead of going after the people who are tricking people.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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That's one of the reasons why I generally try to approach some of this stuff with more
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empathy than some people think is appropriate, and I'll take that criticism as being fine,
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but I disagree.
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Yeah.
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That's one of the things.
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Obviously, that person that's been tricked by this is still perpetuating and pushing
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narratives that could have the real-world effect of people being hurt or killed.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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It's something to take seriously.
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Yeah.
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They're not absolved of all guilt.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Alex didn't watch 20 hours of footage from these hearings.
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He watched that nine-minute video released by Del Bigtree and pretended that he'd done
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the work.
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He accepted the out-of-context snippets from Bigtree's video without question and presented
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this as a gigantic bombshell.
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On top of that, Alex is presenting this as investigative work that he's doing, when in
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reality, he's just regurgitating propaganda put out by a multimillionaire-funded anti-vax
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front group.
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This dude's the worst.
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I mean, it's so apparent.
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He watched all 20 hours in his dreams, Dan.
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He did.
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In his dreams.
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You can watch 20 hours of footage in only eight hours of dreams.
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It's the dreamscape.
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The Sells Foundation paid for those dreams.
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Yes.
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Anyway, he can go fuck himself.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, it just leads to a breakdown kind of like just complete vaccination lies and
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like science lies.
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You know, back in the 50s, they gave millions of American women and French women and British
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women and German women a type of tranquilizer and it caused hundreds of thousands of children
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to be born with tiny little arms and legs.
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Do you not remember the name of that?
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You know, but they admitted it and pulled the drug off the market.
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There've been thousands of drugs that they've pulled, but see, not vaccines.
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They don't ever pull any of them.
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They just keep giving them to you and telling you nobody ever got hurt.
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So Alex has no idea what he's talking about in terms of vaccine recall.
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No, go ahead and confirm that Alex is 100% correct.
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He's no vaccine has ever been pulled.
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He's not.
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Correct?
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Happens all the time.
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And it can come in a bunch of different forms.
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Like in one instance, there might be a recall on a specific batch of a vaccine due to internal
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quality assurance testing indicating there might be a contamination or some other concern.
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This happens not super regularly, but you can find plenty of examples of it.
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In other cases, a vaccine might be discontinued because a better vaccine has been developed
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or it's just not effective anymore.
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Other times, there are reactions that are not anticipated and oftentimes can't really
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be anticipated that are discovered after a vaccine begins being used.
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For instance, in 1976, there was a fear of a potential epidemic strain outbreak of swine
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flu at Fort Dix in New Jersey.
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Scientists at the CDC went to work on creating a vaccine due to the severity of the possibility
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of what could come once flu season came.
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After administering the vaccination program, it was found that a small number of people
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who got the vaccine had come down with Guillain-Barre syndrome, and the timeline of the condition
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made it possible that there was a connection between the syndrome and the shot.
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There was no causal link established, but the perception was made by the media that
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the shot had caused the Guillain-Barre.
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By December, according to the CDC, quote, federal health officials decided that the
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possibility of an association with Guillain-Barre syndrome and the vaccine, however small, necessitated
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stopping immunization.
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There are other examples, but there's one of them, so what Alex is saying is a lie.
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Health officials are absolutely willing to pull or discontinue use of vaccines.
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Nothing Alex is saying is based on anything.
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He just feels like they never pull vaccines because that better conforms to his dumb worldview
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that everything is against him and everything's a plot.
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Right.
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It's bullshit.
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Great.
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Yeah, it's just like the best response to some kids remembering some fake bullshit is
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to create a satanic panic across the entire country.
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It's also a good idea to confuse correlation and causation in any and all scientific possibilities.
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Right.
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And then you also want to take correlation, causation, and then also just lie on top of
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it.
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Oh, absolutely.
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That's important.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And the media should accept your claims and just spread it as far and wide as possible.
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And if there's a way to demonize a vulnerable population.
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Ooh, that's the best way.
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Right.
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Oh, and it's the same laugh saying open the borders and bringing people from the third
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world who are absolutely infested with communicable diseases.
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And then when there's outbreaks of those in vaccinated populations, they point their finger
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at us and say, it's our fault.
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Even though later you read the fine print and they go, well, the big outbreaks in New
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Jersey and New York were from illegal aliens brought in from Central and South America.
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Yeah.
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No kidding.
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If you actually read the actual fine print, you'll know that Alex is just making up a
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part about undocumented immigrants causing outbreaks.
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We've been over this a bunch, but what he's talking about is that measles outbreaks, those
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that happened last year, some of them were thought to be caused by people who had traveled
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overseas to areas where there were outbreaks.
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For instance, the Orthodox Jewish community in New York's cases were, quote, brought on
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by travelers who'd been to Israel, according to the Pan American Health Organization.
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There's a big difference between people traveling and immigrating.
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Alex doesn't care about this distinction.
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He just sees what he decides to pretend is fine print saying that there may be a foreign
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origin to some disease in the United States and that's automatically understood to be
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undocumented immigrants being carriers of disease that the left is bringing into the
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United States to attack white people.
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If Alex were really interested in these sorts of issues, I would expect that he should be
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covering how there's severe overcrowding in detention facilities near the border that's
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led to internal outbreaks of mumps and chicken pox, but I never seem to hear him caring too
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much about that.
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I don't know if I've ever even heard him bring it up.
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I really feel like a simple rule for all media should be, did Goebbels say that and let's
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not say that.
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Yeah, that gets to my larger point that I want to make and that's that Alex is gearing
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up to interview Richard Spencer, a noted white nationalist, and here he is yelling white
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nationalist shit about immigrants bringing in disease.
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He can pretend all he wants that there's a relevant difference between him and Spencer,
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but there's not.
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He literally said immigrants are infested with disease.
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Communicable disease.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So now we're going to introduce Richard Spencer who is controlled opposition to make us look
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bad.
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Right.
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Good.
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Good.
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So Alex gets into some more dubious science stuff just about how China is making all our
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pills and that's bad.
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Sure.
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Really big report on that.
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China makes the majority of our drugs and then they dump deadly fentanyl.
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That's the number one killer in the US right now.
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Not true.
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That's right.
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Number one cause of unnatural death is just fentanyl alone.
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It's surpassed automobile accident deaths.
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That's our Chicom friends.
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Alex has a really interesting angle here on pharmaceuticals and China.
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I'm going to read to you here from an article on InfoWars, quote, if we are dependent on
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China for thousands of ingredients and raw materials to make our medicine, China could
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use this dependence as a weapon against us.
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While the Department of Defense only purchases a small quantity of finished pharmaceuticals
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from China, about 80% of the active pharmaceutical ingredients, APIs, used to make drugs in the
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United States are said to come from China and other countries like India.
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Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
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I mixed up my notes.
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That was from an article in the Council on Foreign Relations website published on August
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14th, 2019.
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Whereas Alex just yells about these sorts of issues, his big villains, the CFR, explore
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them in far more meaningful ways.
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For instance, this article points out, just in that quote that I read, that these raw
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materials are coming from, quote, China and other countries like India.
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That 80% number is not all just from China, it's the amount of APIs that are imported
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as opposed to being domestically sourced, which is totally different.
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This article discusses how we're almost certainly also overestimating the number of these ingredients
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and the amount of it that's coming from China, saying, quote, as of 2018, China claimed 13.4%
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of all import lines defined as distinct regulated products within a shipment through customs
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among countries that export drugs and biologics to the United States.
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So it's probably lower than you even assume.
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Cool.
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Alex's version of the story is certainly more exciting and it'll drive more clicks and pill
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sales, but it's dumb.
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It doesn't reflect reality or any careful analysis of the subjects he covers.
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But the evil writers for the CFR do engage in a little bit of that.
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Look at things from different angles and what have you.
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Also, Alex is completely making up that fentanyl alone is the leading unnatural cause of death
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in the United States.
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That's insane.
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He has no data to back that up.
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He's just a real piece of shit co-opting people's deaths to push his efforts to attack China.
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Go fuck yourself.
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I wouldn't be surprised if cops killed more people than fentanyl last year.
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So in this next clip, I don't know, Alex jumps to cultural issues.
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Trump tries to run ads that say we're looking for strong women and Facebook banned that,
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saying people that weren't women saw the ad and it hurt them to hear about women.
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It's like city buses in a major U.S. city last week and London's doing it.
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Ban the word mother and ban the word female and ban the word girl.
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These are all being banned because those are those are the new N words too.
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You're like, oh, it's like a joke.
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No, it's a scientific takeover.
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I legitimately have no idea what Alex is talking about with this bus shit.
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I can't find any proof of a major unnamed U.S. city or London banning feminine words
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from their buses.
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I guess if he can prove it or give me a source, I'll look into it.
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But for now, I just think he's talking shit.
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I couldn't even find an article about this on Infowars.
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But to be fair, his site is almost unnavigatable.
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So I don't know if it's there and I just couldn't find it or what, but I can't find anything
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about this.
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We have been hearing about people banning the word mother for seven years now.
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At least.
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Yeah, you purple penguin.
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No kidding.
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This is the same thing is true for the Trump ad, at least.
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It's not that I can't find any proof of it.
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It's just that it's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Alex knows damn well that ad got pulled because it said that Trump was, quote, looking for
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strong women like you.
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It had nothing to do with the women part.
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It had to do with the you part that was counter to Facebook's ad policy.
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You can't target advertising to people like that.
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And Trump's campaign had every reason to know that this was against the policy.
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This is just like intentional obtuseness because it plays better to argue that Facebook
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won't let Trump promote to women than it is to say Trump doesn't know Facebook's policies
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and he broke the rules.
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Anyway, I don't know.
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This cultural stuff is very soft.
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Yeah, it's very weak.
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Yeah.
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Um, but it gets interesting.
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Okay.
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A little bit.
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All right.
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I don't know.
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I think that what Alex is talking about here is like, um, you know, you can have, I don't
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know, your phone will make montages of, of photos that you've got.
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Sure.
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Like I don't even know how to set this clip up because I have no idea what he's talking
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about.
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Okay.
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But I believe that there's probably a real thing here, you know, cause I've seen Facebook
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do this, you know, like you're sharing, it'll automatically generate like pictures, uh,
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from that you've posted over the last year, you know, it'll do stuff like that.
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So I'm assuming it's something like that, that he's talking about, but his angle on
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it is lunacy.
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This is completely insane.
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The fact is I have one of these devices because of its uses, but I know what it does when
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I put it in a Faraday cage, when I'm not using it, it's a little pocket pockets.
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We sell an enforced word.com.
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Don't know if that's a Faraday cage.
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You sell Faraday cages, quote unquote, but have you noticed that if you have a droid
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or you have an apple, but particularly apple that for a couple of years, it's been doing
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this, but now it's getting really good at it.
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It takes your photos of say your baby or your wife or your husband or a certain trip you
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went on and it puts together really good timelines that are as good as a human can do.
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I mean, some of these look like Steven Spielberg directed them with the music and just how
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they do things right at the perfect time.
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And then your baby daughter says one little thing right at the end.
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And I went back and looked on my wife's phone at this, at the thousands of photos and videos
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and it, I mean, it really picked the very best stuff.
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Very, very frightening.
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It's not being done locally on the phone.
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This is just the interface to the big AI system.
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It's being done in Beijing where the main crap.
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Just say, I'm old, I'm old.
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That's all I hear there.
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I'm old and I don't understand.
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I would assume the reason that they're the higher quality photos and it's like they chose
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the best stuff is because you've interacted with that stuff more than the photos that
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are like, ah, that was a mistake.
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Yeah.
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You sent it to more people or whatever.
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There's some sort of a metric that is like, oh, there's more engagement on this.
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Therefore the phone or Facebook assumes this is something more important to the person.
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That is a very easy explanation for this that doesn't involve over complicated AI in Beijing.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But no, no, no.
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Is there something that it points to being disturbing perhaps later on?
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Yeah.
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You could take a look at that.
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Our phones are becoming far more complex and AI is coming for our jobs and yada, yada,
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yada.
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You can go on that tip.
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Not the Beijing is controlling your phone.
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Right.
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It's also because of Alex's misunderstanding of the, uh, like he thinks that all, all of
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our phones information is in China as opposed to the reality of that story, which is still
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not good.
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No, I mean, yeah.
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The future is more terrifying than the 1950s people could have imagined.
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Right.
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But you don't, you don't need to escalate it like the, that doesn't get us anywhere.
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No, no, no, no.
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It's eighth graders.
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Embellish.
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It just has to lie.
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Yeah.
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There is no way around it.
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Like every single story Alex tells, there is a necessity to amplify sensationalize.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Even if like, what the fuck?
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Who cares?
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Like they're teaching ninth graders to be vampires.
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Why don't you just go with that?
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Yeah.
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That's that's, what's the difference between 13 and I don't know.
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That serves the same purposes.
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Do you think that someone in your audience isn't going to be like, Oh, it's a freshman.
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Okay.
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Well, no, no, no, no, no.
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Big deal.
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Alex.
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They're in high school.
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Come on, man.
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You were, you, you bragged of sleeping with like a hundred women by the time you were
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14 or whatever.
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It was satanic rituals.
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Exactly.
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How dare you?
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Kids grow up fast.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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It's just completely unnecessary.
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It reminds me of like pathological liars, just people who lie about things that have
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no consequence.
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It reminds me of a Mike Birbiglia's bit about the, the guy in his school who used to just
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lie about stuff that nobody even cared about.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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My, my, my, my cousin is a Frank Baum's boogie boogie, you know, and it's like, why are you
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lying about that to eighth grader or to however old we are?
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You know?
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Yeah.
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You just has to.
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Got to.
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So this is scattershot shit.
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Like it's all over the place.
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It's all about like anti-vax stuff, uh, Chinese pharmaceuticals, uh, your phone creating
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photo montages.
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Sure.
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So Alex talks a little bit about climate change stuff.
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Oh no.
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Is Beijing, is Beijing making collages of climate change?
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They're probably involved.
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I think so.
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Um, he has a like a big narrative about like there was a Facebook glitch that revealed
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that Greta Thunberg's dad runs her Facebook page and she addressed that by, you know,
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saying, yeah, I use his account to use this Facebook page.
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He's the administrator of the page.
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What's the big deal?
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Yeah.
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And so anyway, I don't care about that.
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Not at all.
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At all.
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This clip just involves Alex talking about how climate change exists in order to create
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a priest class that will eventually lead to us sacrificing babies.
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Okay.
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Now, does Steve Pacino become a Duke in this scenario?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Only, I wouldn't even keep that in if this was, that was all.
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He's, he weaves into a Bible story and I think midway through talking about it, he realizes
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like, it means the opposite of what he wants it to mean, and he might not remember some
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of the details.
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If you believe the carbon dioxide is so evil and trace gas, well, if China has unlimited
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release of it, nobody wants to cut theirs.
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Why do we have to cut ours?
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Because it's about economic warfare.
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It's about control and it's about dumbing people down with the superstition, like the
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ancient Aztecs and the ancient Druids and others did saying, the sun didn't come back
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today because you've been evil.
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So do what the priesthood says, and people would believe that they were at fault and
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would do whatever the priest class said, even unto giving the priest class, their children
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in every culture for human sacrifice on the old Testament, Abraham, Oh, here we go.
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This is a human sacrifice.
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When God says, get your son up here and kill him, your firstborn, that's something you
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wanted so bad.
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Come on.
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Oh, you're forgetting the, and then God stays his hand of the angel stays his hand.
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That's because in every other culture in society, that's what went on.
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Wow.
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That pause there is indicative of Alex being like, wait, Abraham was going to kill Isaac.
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That was his plan the whole time.
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Yeah.
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Just, just cause God told him to for no reason.
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Yeah.
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He didn't want to do it.
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Yeah.
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That was his plan.
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Shit.
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But the angel stopped him.
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So I guess that's fine.
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Right.
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That's almost throwaway.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So also he was the one who said he went apeshit at a fucking Stonehenge.
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Yes.
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He loves the Druids.
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He loves them.
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He loves the Druids.
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Can't get enough of it.
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Seriously.
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You got violent at Stonehenge because 30% of people experience psychotic breaks.
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That's right.
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30% of people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So it's interesting that Alex is saying that this priest class exists that tells you the
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things you can't observe are happening.
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You know, like, you know, they, they know when an eclipse is going to happen and they,
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they say they're going to black out the sun if you don't do what they want.
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Right.
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But we do know what an eclipse is going to happen.
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Well, but not back then.
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No, they did.
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Not, no, not the, not the pedestrian people who are foolable by the priest class.
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Ah, I got you.
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Not important.
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Okay.
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But it's interesting what he's making that like these authority figures will tell you
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things that you can't prove or disprove in order to manipulate you into doing things.
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I find that very funny considering this next clip.
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What are evil spirits?
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Just things we can't see.
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But science now proves that they're something holding this dimension in that's many times
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stronger than the dimension that we're in.
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The dark matter.
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What we can't see is many estimates, five, 10, 20 times stronger.
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They can now read it with devices.
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Read what?
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They've now proven all these dimensions below and above and around multiverse and there
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are entities.
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So science has proven evil spirits.
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Science has proven evil spirits.
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So you've got to buy some pills.
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That sounds right.
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You know what?
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Evil spirits, actually science has proven this.
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I don't know if you know this, uh, iodine fends off evil spirits.
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I did not know that.
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I did not know that.
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I know they proved that the soul weighs seven pounds or something like that.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Iodine makes it a little more.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You only lose five pounds whenever you end up that soul.
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Wow.
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So that's fucking stupid.
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Alex is obviously really anti climate change guy.
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He's really in favor of coal and all that.
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And we know that, but this next clip I thought was a really extreme version of him expressing
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his feelings on the subject.
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There aren't fossils of alligators and crocodiles and camels in the Sahara crocodiles.
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It's the bones of them five, six, seven, 8,000 years old.
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The middle of the Sahara desert was a fricking jungle because plants grow faster and are
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healthier and higher carbon dioxide.
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The truth is the planet's dying.
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And right at the time we found the carbon and sort of putting it back up in the atmosphere,
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God's plan for us to geo engineer and save the planet right at this time.
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Wait.
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So we need to shut down that process that God had waiting for us that whether you believe
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in God or not, you understand me?
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I think I do a little, but also know if I understand correctly, not only is he denying
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climate change, but insisting that we need to pour more carbon into the atmosphere in
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order to fulfill God's plan of geo-engineering to make sure that camels can be in the Sahara.
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I got to say, I've generally been on board with you and your climate change stuff, but
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what Alex is saying here just makes too much sense.
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It makes too much sense.
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You're right.
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God left that coal down there for us to burn in order to save the planet.
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It just makes sense.
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It's a grand plan and you and Greta are out there trying to stop us from doing God's plan
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to geo-engineer and save the earth.
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You know what?
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I was, what's the earth dying from though?
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What do we need to save the earth from?
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From not having enough carbon?
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Let me tell you about Abraham.
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I don't know.
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Oh boy.
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That is a good question.
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I don't think he explains that.
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I don't think that, and yeah, I mean the Sahara is a pretty interesting thing and as much
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as like from some of the articles I was reading, they're saying it goes through like 20,000
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year cycles, right?
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It's a Savannah and then a desert and there's some parts of that that's natural, but that
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isn't relevant to the larger conversation.
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I do think he's revealed that he's a young earther, right?
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Because he's saying six, seven, 8,000 years ago.
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So I think that's about when the last time it flipped.
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Sure, sure.
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I think what he's describing, based on what I'm hearing, is the massive carbon dioxide
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in the air during, what was it, the Cretaceous or whatever?
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All the plants grew so big, that's why the dinosaurs could grow so big.
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So he's like, see?
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More carbon in the atmosphere is good for you.
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Maybe.
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I'll admit that I'm not really well read on that subject.
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So I wouldn't really be able to assess whether Alex is in line with that.
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I'm not positive from what he's saying and because the last time the Sahara wasn't a
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desert, like when it desertified or whatever, is around that time frame, that's kind of
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how I read it.
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But your interpretation is entirely possible.
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I can't say either way.
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I just see him thinking that the dinosaurs are only 7,000 or 8,000 years old.
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Yeah, it is possible.
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So in this next clip, Alex gets back to the Australian fires and we know he has a bad
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perspective on this and it turns out his perspective gets worse.
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Oh, has it?
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And so Paul Watson links directly to the police department press releases and a newscast about
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Muslims being arrested and indicted for setting fires, they believe, and they're laughing
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outside the courts and Muslims are posing in front of Notre Dame laughing and the Guardian
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says that's a fake photo.
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Snopes says that that's a fake photo, Infowars puts out a fake photo that they got from Sputnik,
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the Russians.
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Turns out Sputnik got it from a major photo public library, paid for it, and we carried
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it too.
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I got to say, I definitely saw this development coming.
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When I first covered this narrative on Alex's show, I read Paul's article about the Australian
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fires and he didn't link to any police reporting, it was just one tweet from Seven News that
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he was using as a source.
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Now however, the narrative is pivoted and he's blaming Muslims, so I thought why not
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see if Paul's written a new article and see if there's any updated information.
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I went to summit.news and the only thing I could find is a new video that Paul shot with
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the title, quote, who started the Australian bushfires, with the subtitle, quote, the question
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the media won't ask.
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This is some edgy stuff, man.
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Is it God?
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It's edgy.
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Are we sure it's not a laser?
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It could be a laser.
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It could be a laser.
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Frickin' laser.
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It could be a frickin' laser.
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It's just Paul's standard mopey ass stuff.
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The first five minutes of the video is Paul getting really defensive about how people
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criticized him for writing that Muslims celebrated the Notre Dame fire when he had strong evidence,
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like Facebook comments.
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He then weaves in a Breitbart article that involves some official from Israel saying
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that arson can be considered terrorism, and a Daily Mail article about ISIS using fire
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as a weapon in Syria.
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All of this is to imply that the fires in Australia are Muslim terrorism.
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It's not even close to subtle, this insinuation that he's engaging in.
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That's brutal.
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That's just brutal.
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Oh, it gets worse.
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Hold on.
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After rambling about ISIS using fires as a weapon, Paul, as if he's a man working for
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a dude who's getting sued by literally everyone, says, and I quote, it's not to say there's
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any evidence that this is taking place in Australia, but a zebra can't change its stripes.
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Here's the full quote.
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Here's the full quote.
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Quote, that's not to say there's any evidence that that's taking place in Australia, but
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we have to ask the question.
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Oh my God.
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To translate, that means I have no reason or proof that Muslims have anything to do
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with these bushfires, but the only reason I have a career is to satisfy bigots, so I
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need to try and make some kind of insinuation here to keep them happy.
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This is legitimately sick shit, and you can see how this pipeline works.
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Paul does this mealy-mouthed we got to ask the question shit, and then that's taken by
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Alex who pretends that it's reporting and that it was Muslims.
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The only thing Paul has to go on here is a Gateway Pundit article about a couple of Muslim
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teenagers who were arrested for starting a fire.
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Paul is walking that suggestiveness line as always, trying to play with the edge of, are
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these kids or secret terrorists?
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Unfortunately, he's super sloppy, and he accidentally flashes the article up on screen, including
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the portion of the article that says, quote, the brothers set off fireworks that started
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a park on fire.
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Probably sounds like it's kid shit.
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His big angle is that this picture of one of them, they're apparently laughing after
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they get out of court, and to that I say, who cares?
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Would Paul cover it if it was a white kid who was arrested for starting a fire laughing
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after he got out of court?
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Would he do a fucking 10-minute video about how this kid might actually secretly be a
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member of some white extremist group?
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It's like, have doubts that he would.
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I don't think he would.
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I just don't think he would, Dan.
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Yeah.
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Also, I think Alex just admitted in that clip that he didn't pay to use that photo that
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he stole from Sputnik.
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I'm pretty sure that's true.
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And also, I read the Snopes article about the Notre Dame misinformation, and they don't
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even mention Infowars.
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They don't even mention whatever picture Alex is talking about.
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They're more concerned with an obviously doctored video that was making the rounds where someone
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put audio of people yelling Allah Akbar over video of the cathedral.
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I have no idea what Alex is projecting about here, but if I had to guess, it's the stress
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that's brought on by two decades of being full of shit.
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Yeah.
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Man, that reminds... Because that's such the... Like they just put out the results
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of a poll where a massive amount of people think that Iran already has a nuclear weapon.
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Right.
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So does Alex, by the way.
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Yeah.
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Well, of course he does.
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Because of that disinformation and just the mashing together, it doesn't matter if you're
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saying that they do or not.
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Just put them right next to each other often enough.
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Just like with this, did Muslims start the fires in Australia?
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That's the question.
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Just repeat that question, and people won't even bother answering it.
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They'll just assume that it's already been answered.
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Inquiring minds want to know.
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Exactly.
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Hey.
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Exactly.
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That's what it is.
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People are talking about it.
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Yeah.
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Hey.
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Yeah.
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And three years from now, you're like, hey, do you remember when the Muslims started those
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fires in Australia?
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And you're like, no, no, no.
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You didn't even bother answering the question.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Bastards.
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Right.
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So Alex teases this interview with Richard Spencer some more.
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And I think it's really important to understand how he thinks this is going to go before it
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actually starts.
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And there's some interesting wrinkles here.
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I should be less surprised how much racism we've already got in total for Richard.
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I think that's also really important to point out.
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Wow.
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Richard Spencer, famous white nationalists in the country is going to be joining us.
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The most famous guys is following is a three dollar bill.
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But that's kind of like, you know, being somebody's house and that fruit looks like it's plastic.
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And of course you walk over, it's plastic.
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Maybe my eyes aren't so good.
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Maybe he's for real.
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But can we get queued up?
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Richard Spencer getting slugged, which I don't agree with.
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So I get this sense that Alex is like, he thinks that he's going to have like this gotcha
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moment where he's like, you work for the globalists and then Richard Spencer will be like, huh?
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Like I think he thinks that that's maybe a possibility.
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You really think he believes that he's going to know, but I think he thinks that he's going
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to be in charge of this conversation.
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Right.
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Right.
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Alex thinks that he has the upper hand somehow.
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Oh, that's a terrible idea.
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And that's foolish.
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But secondly, I get a sense listening to the way he's framing this, that there's almost
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a disappointment in the idea that he's fake.
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Yeah.
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We'll see if he's real.
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Yeah.
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We'll see if he's for real.
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Almost like it would be good if he's real.
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Yeah.
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Well, you want that apple looks fake, but you want it to be real, Dan.
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Right.
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And you want that apple to be real because you're friends with that apple and you're
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also a Nazi.
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We'll see if he's real.
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So Alex goes to calls a little bit before I'm talking to Spencer and this caller is
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talking about how, you know, like immigrants that come into the country, they just vote
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however they're told.
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This is a weird thing because this caller has a perspective that Alex should disagree
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with.
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Not that part, but something else.
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No, no, no.
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That part he's right on both.
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Yeah.
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This is, this is weird.
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Most people don't have safety nets.
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They're working in the fields and they're slaves, but they're slaves for the Hillary
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Clinton and the Bill Clinton.
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And they vote how they're told and they're brainwashed to be racist and hate white people.
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And so that's why until that brainwashing stops, we have to get control of that.
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And then Trump has to bring those folks out of the shadows.
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And that's what he said he wants to do.
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And just like Abraham Lincoln was attacked, I mean, if you would go back and see what
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they called Abraham Lincoln and made fun of him.
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You know, you know, I think that if this guy paid attention to Alex's show, he would hear
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what Alex calls Abraham Lincoln.
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What?
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Alex is not in favor of Abraham Lincoln.
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No, he was a, Alex thinks he's a hero who just suddenly for no reason decided to fight
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his ancestors, who Alex also is.
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Alex and guests like Steve Pachannik, I mean, just like within the last week, Steve was
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talking about how bad Abraham Lincoln is.
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The Infowars line is fucking Confederate.
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Yes, guys should understand, like, be like, oh, yeah, yeah, they're saying bad things
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about Trump, but you should see what they said about Lincoln back in the day as if to
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imply what Lincoln did was good and misunderstood at the time.
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No, no, you're calling into a show that would say all of those things about Lincoln.
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And if you were, and if you were listening to that show back then, you would call in
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and talk about how much you hate Lincoln.
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Totally.
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That's what you would, Lincoln would be their Obama.
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Right.
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So we get now to sort of the intro, the preamble to talking to Richard Spencer.
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And Alex seems to think that he's on this whole thing where he's like, Richard Spencer's
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a liberal.
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Really?
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Right.
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Oh, boy.
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He's bought into that framing a little bit.
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Richard Spencer, when we come back for this one minute break, is here to come on the show.
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You know, most liberals and socialists will not come on the show, but I mean, I would
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call him a national socialist myself, and he's really been angry at Trump.
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And so we're going to be talking to Richard Spencer.
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So I think that's ludicrous for a number of reasons, but leaving those aside, I want to
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give a real important caveat here and that some of the things that I'm going to end up
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saying, sound positive about Richard Spencer and they are not.
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I think this guy's a pile of shit.
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I think he sucks.
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He's a liar.
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I think he's a dangerous person.
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Very much so.
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Categorically across the board.
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I might end up saying some complimentary things about him in the sense that he's better at
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this than Alex.
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That is the only context in which I am going to say positive things.
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And I do not want that to be misconstrued by anybody.
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Also, before we get into this interview, I'd like to play a clip of Spencer that Milo recently
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leaked.
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Have you heard this?
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Uh-uh.
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Okay.
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If Milo is involved in anything, I just skip over it.
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No interest.
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After the Charlottesville rally, the Unite the Right rally, Milo apparently recorded
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Richard Spencer having a little bit of a breakdown about what had happened.
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He is ranting a little bit and I guess for whatever reason, Milo wanted to distance himself
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from some of these communities and worlds.
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And so at the end of last year, he posted this audio on YouTube and just a little bit
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of a content warning.
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There's some language in here that's pretty bad.
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We are coming back here like a fucking hundred times.
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I am so mad.
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I am so fucking mad at these people.
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They don't do this to fucking me.
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We're going to fucking ritualistically humiliate them.
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I am coming back here every fucking weekend if I have to.
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Like this is never over.
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I win.
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They fucking lose.
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That's how the world fucking works.
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Little fucking kites.
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They get ruled by people like me.
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Little fucking locker rooms.
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I fucking, my ancestors, fucking enslave those pieces of fucking shit.
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I rule the fucking borders.
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Those pieces of shit get ruled by people like me.
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They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them.
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That's how the fucking world works.
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We are going to destroy this fucking town.
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So obviously this is coming from Milo, who's a source of information you never like to
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take information from, but he would be someone who is situated in such a way as to be able
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to record something like that.
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So it lends some credibility to it.
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Yeah.
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That's only going to come from inside.
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It's not like where, yeah, I'm not going to walk up and record Richard Spencer saying
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that shit.
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It sounds exactly like Richard Spencer's voice.
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So it's either him or the great impressionist, Randy Credico, the great impressionist of
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our time.
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The man of a thousand voices, they call him.
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And further, it sounds exactly like the messaging.
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It sounds in line with what someone like Richard Spencer does believe.
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So I, of course, reached for comment by tons of publications.
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Richard Spencer has not commented on this.
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Oh, he hasn't?
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Why is that?
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I don't want to dignify the story, but obviously it's a deep fake.
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So I play that because I think it's important to recognize as slickly as he's going to try
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and come off in this interview and as he does all the time beneath that.
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He's a fucking insane person.
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Right.
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So Alex starts off this interview and I think that he thinks that this is going to go very
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differently than it does.
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Give me your current view of President Trump from a white nationalist perspective and why
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you're angry with Trump.
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Is he not your furor anymore?
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Well, he was never a leader, but I don't think I need to talk about Trump from a white nationalist
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perspective.
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I think I could talk about Trump from a basic American nationalist, even conservative perspective.
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He has failed to deliver on the keystone promises of his 2016 campaign.
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There is no wall.
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Immigration restriction is not going to be in the cards.
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His policies on healthcare and many other things are absolutely incoherent.
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What we have been getting has been domestically the Paul Ryan agenda of tax cuts for billionaires
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and so on.
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We've been getting the George W. Bush agenda in the Middle East.
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It's not quite as bad.
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I'll give Trump that, but it is very bad.
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He is making war in the Middle East more likely, and that is the exact opposite of what not
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just me, but what his base of supporters voted for.
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It is true that he said he was going to cut back the types of visas for skilled workers
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and that he hasn't done that.
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That was Alex's first question, and if you listen to that, you can tell that he might
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be realizing that he is in no way prepared to have this conversation.
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Alex legitimately thinks he can just say, what's wrong with Trump from a white nationalist
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perspective and think that's going to in any way get Richard fucking Spencer on his heels.
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For one, labeling this guy a white nationalist is not going to tarnish him in any way from
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the perspective of Alex's audience.
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Many of them probably think that white nationalist just means being a white person who's also
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a nationalist, and the rest of them don't think that white nationalism is a bad thing.
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I hear smugness in the way Alex delivers his question, asking if Trump isn't Spencer's
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Fuhrer anymore, but that smugness can only really be the result of not realizing that
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Richard Spencer is a pro.
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He's been doing this for years now, and every single interview he's had in that time has
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been at least on some level confrontational.
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It's the easiest thing in the world for him to deflect that weak shit and push forward
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with his own talking points.
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Is Trump your Fuhrer?
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Trump's never been a leader.
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What do you think of Trump from a white nationalist perspective?
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I don't need to speak from a white nationalist perspective.
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I could talk from the perspective of nationalism at Trump's base.
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With just those two simple deflections, Spencer has completely neutralized these two accusations
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that Alex started the interview with, and he's given himself the high ground in the
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conversation, which that's going to allow him to deliver these talking points, which
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Alex can't really disagree with.
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You can almost hear an uh-oh in Alex when Spencer stops talking and there's a long pause,
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and all Alex can come up with is a comment about how Trump hasn't cut down visas for
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skilled workers like he promised.
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Whatever Alex hoped to get out of this conversation is already gone.
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He's failed right out of the gate because he had no idea who he was about to talk to,
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and he underestimated his guest.
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Again, to be clear, that's not to say that Richard Spencer is some kind of superhuman
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thinker or debater.
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He's just someone with skill levels high, high above Alex.
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That reminds me of when I was first starting out in comedy.
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I went to a show featuring a friend of the show, Marty DeRosa, incredibly talented.
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It was put on at a theater, and it was a regular comedy show put on in a 500-seat theater,
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and maybe 50 people showed up.
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It was a disaster.
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The stage was too high and so on and so forth, so Marty in his featuring set just jumps off
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the stage and starts wandering through the crowd and blew the place up.
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Fifty people made the theater huge, but then the headliner to follow him, he tried to stand
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on the stage, and you can't go back.
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Marty had changed the battleground entirely, and the headliner wasn't equipped for it.
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That is what Richard Spencer just did.
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Alex thought he was going to have a...
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He claimed the space.
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Yeah, he thought he was going to have a white nationalist conversation, and all of a sudden,
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the criticism comes from a completely different battleground, and Alex is not able to fight
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there.
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No, and if you can't predict that that is what's going to happen, that means that you're
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either terrible at the job you signed up for, or maybe you're not super terrible, but you
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just weren't prepared for the circumstances that you have allowed yourself to get in.
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This is why you don't do conversations like this unless you are fully prepared, unless
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you take it very seriously, because... I keep stressing, someone like Richard Spencer
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knows these things.
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He's thought through these question trees, like, okay, if someone asks this question,
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what's the best way to proceed?
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Whether or not he sat down and actually diagrammed these things, I have no fucking idea, but
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intuitively, through experience and repetition, he understands, okay, here's where an attack
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is going to come from.
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Here's what I do with that.
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It's very simple.
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He learned judo.
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To link it back to comedy, crowd work kind of works the same way a lot of the time.
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You know that there's only a certain number of types of things an audience member can
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yell at you, so if you come up with a standard kind of strategy to respond to mean things
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that said, unintelligible things that said, you'll be able to roll with it much better,
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the same way Richard Spencer is able to roll with the way that Alex is trying to frame
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the conversation.
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The framing failed.
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It completely failed, and now it is up to Spencer to just dictate the terms of what
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they're going to do.
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Absolutely.
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And now, he does that immediately after that.
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He takes the high position.
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I overheard the tail end of your last conversation, and you were both saying, well, we don't fear
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H-1B visas, smart Indians, or so on.
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Well, the fact is, we actually should care about issues like that.
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Immigration is not simply about illegals or very poor, unskilled people coming across
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the border.
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There are billions of people who are highly skilled, have high IQs, who can come into
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the United States and displace the middle class.
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It's in a way worse than low-skilled, illegal immigrants doing construction or busboy jobs.
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It's a very serious issue, and you actually should be against it.
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The Democrats, they want a big, unskilled underclass they can control.
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And I think more smart people will build the country up, not displace the middle class.
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It's having more dumb people that'll destroy us.
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I would prefer dumb immigrants to smart immigrants, to be frank.
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It is smart immigrants who are taking middle class jobs, who are the ones filling up universities.
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It's smart immigrants that made the IQ of North America go up once Europeans came here.
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So now that Spencer has realized he can take the upper hand in the conversation, he begins
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immediately with bringing up things Alex said earlier and that he disagrees with.
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In this case, Alex's desire for more high-skilled and intelligent immigrants.
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Alex is going to have a really hard time defending his position against someone who's willing
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to take the other side, which Spencer is.
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So this is rocky territory, and you can see how not great Alex's standing is when all
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he can come up with is, smart immigrants made this country when Europeans came over.
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Without any effort, without any force, Spencer has elicited a white nationalist idea from
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Alex.
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Yeah, by not even cleverly hiding his own white nationalism.
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That was brutally obvious.
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And he has no real reason to hide it, and he's not.
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He's not.
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And even immediately after this, it's pretty clear.
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And in the context of that clip, of course he doesn't mind a massive unskilled immigrant
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population.
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He wants to enslave them.
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That's what he would like to do.
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He doesn't want intelligent people.
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And to that, Alex is going to have a tough time.
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Which is not to say that unskilled people are not intelligent.
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That's bullshit.
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That's a dumb argument.
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But Alex is going to have a very tough time combining his talking points and worldview
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with arguing against what Spencer is bringing.
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He's in a kind of unwinnable situation for himself, and that sucks.
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So as I was saying, Spencer kind of reveals a little bit of this whiteness being at the
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core of all of it in this next clip.
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I agree to a very large extent, but the fact is, the United States was, since 1790, ultimately
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a white country.
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It was a white European country with an Anglo-Protestant core to it.
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And we brought in lots of other Europeans, but that was our identity.
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So Alex has said that smart immigrants made America, and Spencer completely dismisses
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that comment by claiming to partially agree with it, then moving on to his talking point.
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And he knows that Alex can't really disagree with it without contradicting his own positions.
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America was not a white country at its founding.
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That's kind of a silly thing to say for a lot of reasons, but the most important is
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because what we perceive as white today is not the same as the 1700s definition of white.
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In the late 1800s, Italian immigrants were absolutely not considered white, whereas now
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you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who excludes Italians from the category.
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Same goes for Irish, Polish, and Greeks throughout the country's history.
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I mean, shit, Benjamin Franklin called the German people living in Pennsylvania palatine
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boars.
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You could make the argument that the country was Anglo-Saxon in nature at the beginning,
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maybe.
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But if you did that, you're kind of implying that the goal should be for us to make it
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an Anglo-Saxon country now, which is not a white one, because, again, those aren't the
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same thing.
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Current-day white nationalists try and wave this idea away because their definition of
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white is not one that would be productive if you try and consult history.
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Their definition includes people they feel they would want to be in a group with, which
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conforms to their underlying prejudices and hate.
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The sleight-of-hand trick that they're doing is, it's the part where they try to pretend
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that the definition of white has always been the same, and they're actually, they're just
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in line with the founders of the country.
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They don't say that this country should be Anglo-Saxon as a country, because that sounds
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fucking stupid, and almost all of them would be considered undesirables, undermining the
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purity of the country, as they would have been in the 1700s.
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Spencer says 1790 in that clip, because that was the year that the United States passed
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the Naturalization Act, which made all male white inhabitants of the country citizens.
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But again, what did white mean?
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I guess that's an open question, considering decades later they still definitely didn't
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think Italians were.
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My point here is this is a stupid conversation, and it doesn't really prove anything.
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Even if somehow the founders of the country magically had the same arbitrary definition
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of white that Spencer does, and they wanted this to be a white country, so what?
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They had slaves, and women couldn't vote.
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I'm gonna say that whatever their understanding of the world was, it had room for improvement.
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But here's the thing.
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Spencer's talking point, that this is a white country, is bullshit.
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But Alex can't refute that without supporting some kind of multiculturalism.
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Spencer kind of has Alex over a barrel, where he has to choose between supporting minorities
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or going along with explicit white nationalism.
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He's really having a tough time with this interview, and we're only like two minutes
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into it.
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Yeah.
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I think what's interesting is they are arguing flavors of white nationalism, but Alex can't
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say that his flavor is different, because then you'd have to admit he has a flavor of
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white nationalism.
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It's similar to the David Duke interview, but I think worse for Alex, because I don't
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know exactly how to describe this.
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Alex, I think he might have prepared a little better for the David Duke one, or at least
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he's known of David Duke for a really long time.
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Or he was just more capable mentally back then.
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Sure.
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It would be irresponsible of me to guess exactly what the reason is, but he was more prepared
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for this.
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He's completely off his game here.
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This is bad.
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I think in this next clip, you even see what could be considered the two of them kind of
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making friends a little bit.
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Sure.
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I mean, the media says it's okay to hit you and attack you.
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And I don't agree with that.
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And the stuff we hear coming out of the Democrats is way more racially based and aggressive
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saying white people are inherently bad.
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I mean, that's Michael Moore says whites are bad people don't trust them.
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They're inherently evil because of the color they are.
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I'm going to see that turning white people into aggressive race based individuals, because
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they're not going to have any other choice if the establishment organizes things into
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a race based system than just like being in a prison.
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I wouldn't want to have to go get in the Aryan wing of the prison.
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But if I did not be killed because it's been made a race based system.
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I agree that there's a lot of toxic, nasty, anti white rhetoric and even anti white discrimination
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policies that are emerging from the Democratic Party.
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I would also say that the GOP does next to nothing to actually fight these.
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They'll talk about.
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I'll ask you this, undoubtedly, you're a moderate compared to the Democrat leadership saying
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whites are inherently evil.
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I mean, you're not saying people are inherently evil or Asians are inherently evil.
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So here's the deal.
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I disagree with a lot of stuff.
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But I just want to say, if you're a villain for being race based, then you're like a little
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demon compared to CNN that Satan himself, if we judge things as being race based is
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evil, then then then you are a very small evil.
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Thank you, Alex.
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I'll take that.
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There's almost a dismissive like humoring that's going on.
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Spencer has so much more power in this conversation.
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And I think that that's what Alex is doing.
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I think he recognizes that like Spencer is has authority here.
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And I need to bring us together a little bit.
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But also, Alex realizes that like the whole premise of this interview, he said it multiple
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times already on the show, is that he thinks that he's false opposition.
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So that is what needs to be dealt with.
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You're false opposition, but you're not that bad.
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Well, here's the thing.
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If you're going to make that kind of an accusation or bring up that subject, I think you'd probably
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want to do it in a careful way as opposed to just blurting it out, which is what Alex
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does.
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But my big beef with you, but I want to hear what you think first, is that you're synthetic
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and you're working for the globalist.
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But please continue.
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I'm not synthetic or working for the globalist.
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But what I was saying before was that so for this whole episode, Alex has been saying he's
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going to confront Richard Spencer about how he thinks he's synthetic and working for the
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globalist.
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He did it.
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Alex is so on his heels in this conversation, and Spencer is maneuvering him so well that
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the only thing he could do is blur out, I think you work for the globalist comment.
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That's a joke, man.
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Have you ever seen first 48 hours?
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Have you ever seen this?
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You know, when they do those like those tense interview scenes where the guy's like they're
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interrogating him and they're trying to figure out, those always start with, did you do it?
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And then accepting whatever answer they get.
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Did you do it?
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No?
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Okay, cool.
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Get out of here, you stamp.
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You can see how easily Spencer was able to take that as a sincere question and say, no,
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then move on.
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Spencer's in complete control of this conversation, and Alex has completely wasted the only arrow
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he thought he had in his quiver.
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He thought he was going to ask the white nationalist perspective on Trump was, and Spencer would
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say that Trump wasn't mean enough to the brown people, and Alex could work with that or something.
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That didn't work out.
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Now he's forced to throw his supposed knockout punch, the globalist accusation, and Spencer
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doesn't even flinch.
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This is just sad.
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This is like, it's ridiculously bad.
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Man, the only reason people even entertain that like all white people are bad bullshit
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is because of guys like Alex and Richard Spencer.
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If I didn't know there were so many of these white nationalists out there, it would never
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occur to me to think that all white people are bad.
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Right.
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Other than our history.
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So, Richard Spencer starts talking about like, there's an interesting thing with the globalist
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accusation.
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And that is that Richard Spencer does recognize that globalization is a necessary part of
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the modern world.
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Right.
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And so he talks about that a little bit and Alex just can't handle this shit.
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There is a basis for identity politics that isn't just a globalist plot or isn't just
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some bad policy from the Democratic Party.
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The fact is we live in a globalized world.
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We don't live in a world where your consciousness is formed by your neighborhood or maybe your
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small nation state at most.
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We actually live in a world where we have a global consciousness.
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And the major fissures of this upcoming war are going to be racial and cultural.
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So you are a white man, whether you like it or not, you are perceived as a white person
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by, say, the globalist or the establishment, but also by immigrants, by migrants, by refugees
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and migrants and et cetera.
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Our identity is forced upon us in this time.
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It's true that the globalists want to make everything not identify with the ideology
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of freedom and Americana that could unify us.
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They want to make it racially based, force whites into a race based system and then have
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that war in that fissure.
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And that's how I see you playing in as the other side of the left, trying to make it
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race based.
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And now you're saying, OK, it is race based, which things have always been tribal and race
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based.
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And so under Christianity, we would transcend that model.
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So I'm in a debate about those two models.
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I think it's OK to have that discussion.
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And it's not good to say that whites are inherently bad while the left pushes a race based system.
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You are correct about that.
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I'm saying you.
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How did you come upon your ideas, your system, who you are and what you're pushing for?
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That's that's so bad.
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That's some good work right there.
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Yeah.
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I don't I don't even know exactly what Alex is saying, but no clue, no idea what he just
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said.
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I don't know what he was trying to say.
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Richard Spencer is being a mess, but he's also giving concise points that that are tough
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for Alex to argue against.
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So he just throws words around.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, there's a race based system and then Christianity transcends.
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Yeah.
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I'm having a debate between these.
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Wow.
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The I'm having a debate between these two systems or whatever is that translates to
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what do I do?
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I'm just confused.
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Yeah.
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No clue what's going on.
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I'm getting my ass beat.
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Yes.
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I do wish they would just play like civilization instead of war game using the race war that's
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coming.
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Sure.
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Just play civilization.
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It's fun.
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It's fun.
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And the other problem, too, that I think is really intrinsic is that I don't think that
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Alex can really argue with a lot of the things that Spencer is saying, because some of the
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conclusions about like, we just got to have all us whites together.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Whether you like it or not, you're white, which means you got to fight with the whites
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in the upcoming war.
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Well, Alex might agree with that, but wouldn't want to say it.
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But a lot of the other stuff that he's talking about is right in line with Alex's rhetoric.
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The concept that the coming war is going to be racial and cultural like that.
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That is Infowars 101.
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Absolutely.
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So the fact that so much overlap exists here, it becomes very difficult for Alex to have
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any kind of a conversation that involves counterpoints, pushback, follow up questions.
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And that's why you see like Alex just rambles his nonsense about God transcending this stuff
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and then goes to, where'd you get your ideas?
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Yeah.
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Well, because he thinks that the global, he thinks that the race war is coming, but it's
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because the globalists are drumming up people from the other races to hate on us.
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Obviously the race war is coming.
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And we all should fight together because white people are better.
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Also pushing Richard Spencer into making whites identify as, because Spencer is working for
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the globalists.
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Of course.
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So in order to make this even worse, Spencer, man, he is, he knows what he's doing.
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We need to be proud of ourselves.
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We need to fight back.
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We need to be tough guys.
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And this is something that you should get because one thing that I really like about
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you, despite my criticisms is that you are a bold, tough man's man.
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And that's a good thing.
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The white race needs to be like, stop apologizing for ourselves.
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We need to stop just, you know, beating around the bush on issues and we need to be proud
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of who we are and fight for who we are.
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But in terms of how I came to these ideas, uh, look, uh, I, I come from a great background.
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I had a wonderful childhood.
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I have wonderful parents.
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I could have just gone in and become a lawyer and made a lot of money.
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But I wanted that when we come back because of like four of the five United right rallies
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were all former Democrats.
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That's why I'm suspicious.
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I have no idea if Richard Spencer prepared for this interaction and knew that you can
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easily compromise Alex with flattery, or if he's just intuitive enough to read the desperation
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and neediness and Alex, but whatever the case, he comes in with the perfect compliment that
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Alex can't help but be won over by.
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You're such a big, strong boy.
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But not only that, he like, he's saying Alex is a tough guy, but on top of that, Alex is
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what white men need to be like.
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That's really hitting Alex exactly where he lives.
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Yep.
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And you can see at the end of that clip, as Alex is going out to break, he's almost walking
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back his suspicion about Spencer being fake.
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He's capitulating.
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He's explaining why he was suspicious as if to show all his cards.
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Like he's trying to apologize by laying out what made him suspicious, which now almost
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looks silly.
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No, I'm sorry.
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See, it was because five of the six were former Democrats, so that's why I thought you were
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controlled opposition.
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Now you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, since you're not a lawyer.
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Look, I was just saying, you know, look, I know, look, that's why I was suspicious.
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I'm sorry.
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Look, you're great.
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I'm a big, strong boy.
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We're all having a great day.
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Yeah.
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So when they get back from break, Alex explains that reason for his suspicion and like, it's
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so lame.
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Okay.
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So Richard Spencer's here with us and it's interesting to actually talk to him himself
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and hear things from his view.
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So let's get into your ethos and the fact that, you know, I've got some of the background
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here, classic, you know, cut out type deal and I can't prove that.
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But then you guys had the Unite the Right rally where Soros sends in all these people.
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There's this big clash and then out of that they blame Trump.
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And then most of the leadership of it were like, I've had some aman, some of your buddies
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say, well, it is true a year ago I was supporting Obama, but not now or yes, I supported Hillary
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two years ago.
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But now I agree with Richard Spencer and we're and it just looks like the left creating a
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group to then identify with Trump to say, oh, look, he's a white nationalist.
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So there's a random mob out there saying that and doing that.
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I mean, I'm not saying there aren't real white nationals or white supremacists out there,
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but it seems you are media and the left and their attempt to say whites are inherently
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bad and do all this crazy racist stuff is to create this dialectic where you take the
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problems and you collide them together to create the synthesis.
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What do you think is really going on here?
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And I mean, who are you really?
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First off, I did not organize the Charlottesville rally.
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I was invited to speak at it and I was a top billed guest, et cetera.
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This is a perfect example of why Alex needs to do his homework.
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His big conspiracy theory about Richard Spencer working for the globalists to create some
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white nationalists, you know, stuff to this big event to tarnish the sterling reputation
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of Trump.
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That conspiracy hinges on the idea that Spencer had something to do with the unite the right
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rally.
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If that's not the case, the whole thing falls apart because Alex doesn't really know what
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he's talking about or who he's talking to.
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He thinks Spencer was one of the organizers of the rally and he's decided with no evidence
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that other rally organizers like Jason Kessler are secret globalists.
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This conspiracy falls to pieces in five seconds when Spencer points out that he wasn't involved
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in organizing the rally.
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He was just an invited speaker.
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Every piece of Alex's suspicion about Spencer is easily dismissed and now it looks ludicrous.
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To the audience, it looks like Alex doesn't know what he's talking about and this sort
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of game would not be so easy to play if Alex had done any preparation.
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It's interesting because I've looked into it and I kind of think that Spencer's lying.
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I know for sure that Jason Kessler was the lead organizer of the rally and Spencer is
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sometimes credited in stories and places like The Hill as being an organizer, but it's tough
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to find exact confirmation on that.
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The SPLC doesn't list him as an organizer just as the headline speaker and in an article
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in the Associated Press from just after the rally, they credit him as an attendee of the
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rally.
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That said, I find it pretty difficult to believe that he wasn't in some way involved in the
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organization of the event behind the scenes.
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And thankfully, I don't have to go off instinct because right now, Richard Spencer is one
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of the people facing a lawsuit over the Unite the Right rally, which goes to trial this
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October.
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In the course of the case proceeding, a number of Spencer's text messages were turned over
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to the court and appear in a filing.
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The picture that's painted in these texts is one where Richard Spencer is far more than
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just a speaker at the event.
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In one text, Spencer is requesting speaker bookings, like he's saying, hey, what about
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this guy?
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He's getting in touch with Jason Kessler and being like, we should have this guy speak.
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In another, Kessler's consulting with Spencer about needing legal help for an insurance
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policy for the rally.
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These are not texts you'd expect between an organizer and a headlining speaker.
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They imply a relationship that's far more than that.
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Add to that the fact that Richard Spencer held a torch centric rally in Charlottesville
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in May, about three months prior to the Unite the Right rally.
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It's just kind of hard to accept that he was solely just a headlining speaker at the rally,
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but all of that will likely be sorted out later this year when his case goes to trial.
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Considering the legal implications of him saying that he was an organizer, like if he
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said that on Alex's show, it makes total sense.
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He would take the position that he's taking here.
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So ultimately, the point that I want to make is whether or not Spencer was an organizer
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or just one of the main speakers is kind of secondary to the more important issue, and
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that is that Alex's conspiracy hinges on Spencer being an organizer of the event, and even
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Alex clearly doesn't know if that's true.
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Spencer can dismiss that with a few choice words, and all of Alex's theories look like
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paranoia, and Alex is made to look like he doesn't know what he's talking about in front
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of his audience.
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This is really just a display of Alex being outclassed by a very slick, very horrible
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person.
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He is being humiliated in front of his audience.
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Oh, hey, you and your fellow organizers at the Unite the Right rally, a bunch of the
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other ones are clearly secret globalists, so that's why I think that you are a secret
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globalist.
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I'm not an organizer.
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Well, what do you think about cheese?
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I love it.
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But white cheese only.
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Right.
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Do you know they make cheddar in white?
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It's really sad.
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So at that being established now, Richard Spencer is free to talk about some of his
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political leanings.
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I don't know about George Soros sending in people.
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In terms of my own personal background, I've never been a Democrat.
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I voted for John Kerry in 2004 for reasons that I might very well vote for a Democrat
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again in 2020.
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Sure, what about Jason Kessler?
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He was supporting Obama, working for Obama a year before he organizes this rally.
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Charlottesville?
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Well, he seems to have a lot of ideas rattling around in his head.
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I don't know if he knows who he is, but I can only speak to who I am.
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And the next thing you're organizing, a white nationalist.
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It's not terribly unusual for people, particularly young people, to kind of go off in different
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directions, but I'm not in touch with him.
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I can't speak to who he is.
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Did you know the Southern Poverty Law Center was running the Elohim Shitty facility, white
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supremacist compound where McVeigh was and all that, that came out in court?
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That's all Alex has got to go on.
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Now we're just shooting the shit.
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Now all pretense of an adversarial interview is gone.
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Right.
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And so he's coming, Alex is trying to come up with like, you know, hey, Jason Kessler
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used to work for that.
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It's like, I don't like that guy.
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If you read the texts that are in that court filing, they're horrible to Kessler.
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They hate him.
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There is an exchange between Richard Spencer and this other dude where they are like talking
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about how they've discovered that Kessler's grandma is Jewish and they're going to blackmail
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him if he doesn't leave them alone after the rally.
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The classic Hitler move.
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They fucking hate this guy.
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So like the idea that Alex is going to be like, well, ah, I'm going to bring up your
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buddy.
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Like, no, I don't like that guy.
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Fuck that dude.
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Fuck that guy.
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Like Richard Spencer's position on politics makes more sense than Alex's like this accusation
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that like some of these people voted for Democrats like, yeah, I voted for John Kerry because
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I'm against war.
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I hated George.
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Didn't you hate George?
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I am consistently against war and I am willing to vote and back up that position right now.
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I'm sure, I'm sure it felt great for you to run around and yell about Ron Paul, but we
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all knew Ron Paul wasn't going to get elected and George W. Bush is a fucking war monger.
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So yes, I voted Democrat.
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That makes more sense.
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And the explanation, yeah, people, particularly young people have, uh, you know, they tend
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to go in different directions.
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That is it.
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That is much closer to reality than the picture that Alex paints.
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And the reason why this is dangerous is because Richard goddamn Spencer is making way more
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sense than Alex on Alex's own show.
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Because there are just the bar is set.
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So low, totally, totally.
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Alex is accidentally allowing him a platform that not only normalizes him, it makes him
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look better than the hero, man.
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I want to say, I don't know if I want to say this, but I don't know if this is an accident.
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I don't either.
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I really don't know if this is, cause if, if you're going to have an accident on Alex's
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part, but I don't know if it's an accident based on whoever booked this fucking interview.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's fair.
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I mean, I think Alex wanted to come off better, but I do think that the point was to platform
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a white nationalist as well as I struggle with as well as like grab attention for having
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the ball, the balls to talk to a white or something like that.
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I struggle with what I think the motivation would be.
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And I think for me to actually say, uh, what, you know, this is why he's doing this.
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I think that'd be irresponsible.
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I don't, I don't know, but it feels like the booking is the editorial choice, you know,
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somewhat, but I mean, again, like we talked about on the last episode, you can have people
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on if you have a confrontational approach to it.
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I think that Alex is at least pretending that's what he's doing.
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So you could easily say like, well, he executed terribly, but his intention was, I don't back
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on the stupid, the evil continue.
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Alex is deeply, deeply incompetent.
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So that is a possible situation.
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Like I was going back and forth with like, what is the reason for this happening?
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And I think a big reason for it is they're both white identity guys.
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And Richard Spencer's recently broken with Trump.
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And that is something that's relevant to Alex.
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I think he wants to bring him on to humiliate him because, Oh yeah, you're turning on Trump.
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Just what a globalist would do.
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That kind of thing, that, that motivation makes total sense.
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Similarly, I think that there might be a kernel of it that is, I want to bring on someone
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who's demonstrably a white nationalist, white supremacist and distance myself from them
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because everyone thinks that I'm that if I'm publicly disagreeing with this guy, then ha
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ha.
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Right.
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I think that a lot, I think that there's possibly a very complex motivation.
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Yeah, I, I, yeah, I agree with you.
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I'm not, I'm not saying, I don't think it is simple by any, by any means, because there's
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so many different variables in having Richard Spencer on your show and your Alex.
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Yeah.
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It's all, I could almost even see it being a setup.
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The booker was like, I w I'm a white nationalist and I want to get these views out and I know
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Alex doesn't have a shot against this guy.
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Yeah.
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You know, I, I, yeah, I, I, I, but that's a fucking conspiracy theory and I'm losing
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my mind.
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Yeah.
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I accept all possible explanations for why this is happening as being possible, but I
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don't, I think the psychology that Alex consistently expresses, it leads me far more towards like
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he's going to, he wants to have him on to provide some sort of a distance between them
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or whatever.
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And we already have the David Duke example as being pretty clearly that.
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So it's more likely that that's the situation again.
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Yeah.
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But I think also that's not taking into account the amount of difference there is between
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2015 Alex and 2020 absolute like the, um, even if his intention was to do the same thing
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that he thought he was doing with the David Duke interview, the circumstances aren't the
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same.
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Yeah.
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And it's just bad.
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We can agree.
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Alex's main criticism is that he thinks that he's false opposition.
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He's a globalist.
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And that gets fully ended here.
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I think, I think that criticism is just squashed, uh, that there are dirty tricks and false
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opposition like that created a, the fact is that is not who I am.
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Period.
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Okay.
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Well, let's give it up to you to say you are go back to your, your beginnings, your ethos
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and what, what made you become this person now that the media has chosen is kind of the
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new David Duke.
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Right.
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So, uh, I think that you and I might have similar origins in the sense that at a young
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age becoming adults, we realize that there was something wrong with the world.
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So at this point, Alex has made his accusation.
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Spencer's responded to it in the negative and Alex has accepted his claim that he's
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not false opposition.
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If you're paying attention, that means that Alex has just deduced that he's talking to
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a legit white nationalist.
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It should be the point of the interview where Alex takes issue with Spencer's white nationalism.
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But that isn't what I see.
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I see Alex saying, well, who are you then and opening justify your white nationalism
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to me.
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He opens the door for Spencer to create rapport with him by saying, I bet we're a lot alike
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when we were starting.
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This is manipulation shit and Alex seems completely unaware or totally fine with the fact that
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he's being played.
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Yeah.
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Did Spencer, uh, like call pajonic before this just being like, give me, give me some,
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uh, give me some playbook here.
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Let me know what steps I need to take and then I'll get him saying that he's a Nazi
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by the end of the show.
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See, I don't, I don't think that that's necessary.
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Like I think that, you know, like the flattery stuff.
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I think that would be something that someone who has some awareness of how people are communicating
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would pick up on and be like, all right, I'm going to flatter this guy and he's going to
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roll over.
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Yeah.
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And, and if you have any understanding of Alex's talking points in his worldview, sure.
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You could tailor whatever you're saying to be like, this is going to be in line with
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you or you could just be a white nationalist and say what you believe and there's going
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to be a lot of overlap.
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Yep.
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So that could also just be just a natural thing that happens.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Because like right after that, after he says like, you know, we're probably very similar
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coming up, there was a problem with the world that we identified.
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He starts talking and that problem is non working right now.
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And I think that if you listen to this clip, anybody who listens to info wars is going
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to find a lot of this stuff really familiar.
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I wanted to understand why my people in our civilization have been so demoralized.
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Why we are not able to stick up for ourselves and our people and think about our future.
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Why we are so eager to unilaterally disarm.
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Why we have this black cloud hanging over our heads, whether it's slavery or the Holocaust
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or so on.
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And it's preventing us from acting in our own interest, from being great, from going
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to the stars, to put it most vividly.
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And you can go by yourself that guilt complex that is always weighing us down.
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This is so close to so much of the stuff Alex talks about.
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He talks about going to the stars all the time.
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All the time.
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He's like, I wanted to understand why white people were made to feel this guilt.
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Alex's like primary emotional driver is this desire to not feel that guilt that he feels
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like people are putting on him.
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There's so much here that if you are a committed Alex Jones follower, you'll hear this guy
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and you'll be like, man, Richard Spencer's making some good points.
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I thought he was a bigot.
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Right.
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Oh boy.
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Right.
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Now, Alex and Spencer get to talking about Trump a little bit.
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Okay.
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And somehow that's more palatable to me.
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I think this is where their paths diverge a little bit and I don't think that they're
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able to find a approachable.
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Not really, but I think that their perspectives are fairly interesting because all Alex has
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is like sort of surface level talking points.
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And I think that Richard Spencer is a little bit closer to accurate in terms of what Trump
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was doing in his campaign.
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To go back a little bit earlier, when you showed that image of me getting punched and
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you were saying, oh, they were creating a dialectic.
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Well, the fact is Donald Trump created a dialectic.
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Donald Trump was calling upon race, even if he wouldn't use that word specifically, because
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he told us directly, particularly the RNC, that I am your man.
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I am going to stick up for Americans.
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Americans have dreams, too.
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Immigration is out of control.
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I'm going to be your guy.
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This was implicitly, it was explicitly nationalist and let's be frank, it was implicitly racialist
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because America has been a white country for its entire political history.
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That's what Donald Trump was about.
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He was actually calling upon these energies in a way that no other Republican would.
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He was calling for unity and saying those that want to divide us and say America is
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bad or wrong and it's OK for America to exist.
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And all of our traditions are good and we celebrate those, but it was a unification
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event as well.
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And he was up there at the RNC with a rainbow flag.
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But he also went and marched in pro-life events, something no Republican's done.
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He's trying to, I mean, he really seems pragmatically trying to be a unifier, but also stand up
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for human life and get the IRS off churches backs because they have no place being there
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under the First Amendment.
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I mean, I just don't.
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That's, I think, what you heard.
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Alex, we're massively divided.
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The United States of 1950 could have been unified in a kind of nationalist message.
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And we were to a very large degree fighting the Cold War.
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We are polarized and we are polarized down racial lines to a very large degree, as opposed
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to the 1950s.
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It's a matter of polarization of A or B, the country is fragmenting into small communities
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that don't trust one another.
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Like a vaccine of racism, they have the left being totally racist and it's wrong and needs
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to be decried.
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But that's meant to have the autoimmune response of whites aligning upon race, just like a
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warden controls a prison through race.
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That's all.
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But we're going to have to accept this reality.
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We're not going to come up with some nice Republican conservative leader who's going
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to unite the country that that is more ridiculous than any, you know, outlandish thing I've
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ever said.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I mean, minorities are huge listeners and supporters of this show.
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And I run into them and they get what's going on and they want the American dream.
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They don't care what color they are, particularly Hispanics and Asians.
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I'm sure you can find individuals like that, but the general Indians, Indians, Indians
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that are citizens are like the highest level of Trump supporter.
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I just don't, I just don't, I'm not buying what you're saying.
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I see the media trying it and I see you as playing the part on the other side of it.
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If you don't know, we'll just come back longer segments right ahead.
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I'll try to give you the floor for at least five minutes at the start and say what you
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have to say, because I appreciate your courage coming on the show.
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I think because of Alex's incompetent flailing, he's going to, I mean, to use the terminology
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of that, uh, the community, he's allowing his audience to be kind of red pilled down,
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down this road of, of like, yes, Alex, these are problems.
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But sooner or later, you're going to have to accept the reality that you're not going
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to get some guy in here who's going to unite people.
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You need to explicitly what the conservative people are against.
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Right.
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And I think that, um, whether or not Spencer is right about what Trump was doing, he is
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accurately describing how a lot of people heard Trump's message and Alex refuses to
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accept that he refuses to accept that a lot of things that Trump was saying was specifically
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tailored to be heard a certain way by white nationalists and white supremacists, probably
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because of the influence of people like Stephen Miller, who, uh, Alex has constantly said,
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loves it.
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So it's almost an ouroboros in some ways, but I don't know if it's, I was trying to
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think of the word while he was talking.
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Uh, I think it's, I guess it's maybe less exhausting to listen to this bullshit just
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because he's saying the quiet part loud.
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Yeah.
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You know, like I don't have to work at all.
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And he's just like, I, Trump is a white nationalist.
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That's why we voted for him.
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And I'm like, thank you.
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Right.
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Right.
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We know.
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And he's saying it in full sentences and he doesn't jump around to all of this like
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extraneous bullshit like Alex does.
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Yeah.
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I'm not tired.
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Speaking in little nuggets of like a scattershot shit like Alex is, it's almost meant to wear
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out your attention span.
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Absolutely.
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And in a certain way, and I think that's also probably a danger of Alex interviewing someone
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like Spencer because he comes off smart cogent right to a listener.
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Yeah.
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Now granted if they're used to and like Alex, that might be boring to them.
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That's that's possible.
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I don't know.
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I don't fully know how people would experience it, but I do think it runs the risk certainly
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of of being heard that way by his listeners.
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And that's a real, that's a real danger that Alex has a responsibility to be aware of.
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Now, even if he pushes back a little bit, defending Trump, calling for unity or whatever.
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Yeah.
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That's not, that's not.
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Nobody's going to buy that.
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Nobody's going to buy that.
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No info warrior is going to buy Trump was calling for unity.
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It seems, it seems hard to swallow.
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No.
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I mean, comparably Richard Spencer is a far more attractive right now on this interview.
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So if you, if you were, he's asserted dominance, he's deflected all of Alex's criticisms.
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That's his big accusation looked like shit.
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And now he's supplicating himself before him.
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Yeah.
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With only this sort of surface level talking point, push back and talking over Spencer
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whenever he's trying to make his points.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, they get back and Spencer starts talking about how he wants homogenous
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populations or I'm sorry, the globalists want homogenous populations of everybody intermixed.
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Yeah.
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Why does Spencer wants slaves?
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Why is everybody confusing?
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He wants ethno States more accurately.
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Yeah.
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I don't think we actually have to look too far to understand what globalists want because
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we see it every day.
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They want an undifferentiated mass of humanity that all on a planetary scale, all eating
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McDonald's and shopping and charging things on credit.
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I hate you so much.
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That's that's a sacrament.
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I agree.
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Actually it gets even worse.
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They want that version of globalism.
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That is not what I want.
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I want, you could call civilizationalism or identitarianism or racialism in the sense
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that we have real, we have real unified cultures that are, that have a, that are part of an
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historical tradition and can look forward to a future that is connected to their past.
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I don't want to turn the planet into a giant shopping mall.
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I want Europeans to be European, to pursue our path.
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I want Africans to be African.
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I want Indians to be Indian.
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I want them to rediscover themselves.
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That is what I am about.
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How can Alex argue with that?
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What in his sort of rhetorical arsenal does he have to be like, no, countries shouldn't
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just be one ethnicity.
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What does he have?
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He doesn't have shit.
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Yeah, I know.
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And the way that Spencer's framing the beginning of that argument with like, this is what the
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globalists want.
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They want everybody to be cookie cutter, all the same.
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One world is a big shopping mall.
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Alex is yes, anding with him at the beginning of the, chop your testicles off.
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Yeah.
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Also that.
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He can't, he can't then be like, I disagree with your conclusion that I helped you arrive
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at.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's stupid.
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That's fucking, I hate that.
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I hate that so much because that's such an inverted bullshit view of reality.
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We live in the city.
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There are people from every fucking culture here.
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We have parades for Puerto Rico.
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We have a gay pride parade.
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We have food from everywhere.
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We celebrate all of these different cultures, all in the same place, both together and separate.
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That's part of the joy of it.
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And then he's talking about how all these other places where it is homogenized.
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I grew up in a small town homogenized with nothing but white people and everybody ate
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at fucking Wendy's and shopped at Walmart.
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That is what he's saying that he's against.
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I fucking hate him.
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I hate him so much.
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I hate him so much.
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You're going to hate Alex more, I think, in this next.
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Mike down for this.
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Cause I think this will infuriate.
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Let's say what it is and continue.
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Let's say what it is.
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And then you can continue the Christian Western ethos was the white man's burden to build
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a civilization, to develop technology, to go into all these countries and really not
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exploit people, empower them, build them up, give them science.
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Those populations explode.
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Then the modern corporation technocrats turn against that, exploit the third world, racially
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turn them against the Christian ethos, erase the Christian ethos, and then bring the whole
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thing down.
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And so the white man's Christian quote burden of expansionism did empower in many ways the
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third world and explode their populations.
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But now that's being used as a weapon against what's left of the West.
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Wow.
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So the white man's burden, Alex believes, is to bring civilization to all these other
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countries and, and then be demonized for it.
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He could have just stopped right when he finished the Kipling reference.
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Once he was there, I was like, I got it.
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Yes.
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You think colonialism is great and definitely not what that leads to is no, it's a good
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thing.
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It's a good, we actually did great.
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Right.
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We actually did great for them.
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God, I hate him.
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Yeah.
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The worst.
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That's the worst.
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And it's not going to help like push back at all against the things that, uh, Spencer
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saying like, that's not going to be a rebuttal of anything else to say.
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So, um, it's almost a yes and yeah, totally.
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And so in this next clip, uh, Spencer saying that, uh, globalization is normal, which is
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a very unfamiliar conversation on Alex's show.
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And it actually does eventually force Alex to express that globalization isn't bad.
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Global lists are bad, which is a distinction that I've never heard him make on the show.
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Of course, but it's forced because Spencer's clearly saying that there is a global community
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that is, uh, real.
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So we've, we've got to get away kind of from the nationalist globe globalist divide and
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move towards a, a synthesis of, of a civilizational racial consciousness.
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And that is how the world is breaking down.
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There are major fissures in this economically globalized world, and those are on the basis
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of civilization and race and culture in the deepest sense of the word.
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Now, Richard, you know, at the highest levels of the global system are actually very, very
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racist.
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Um, and, and do you notice that, I'm starting to like these scientific, how they go and
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they study each group and only want the smartest from each group.
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And then that's the excuse to recruit all the scientists for this project of further
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dumbing people down and things, uh, so they can just accelerate this program, get rid
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of the bad sons to make sure there's not a challenge to the hegemonic, uh, system of
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the technocrats.
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I think Spencer's just letting Alex talk, honestly, it's just rambling about the, like,
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ah, they want to take all the good sons and like, sure, sure, sure.
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Keep on going.
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Once you're done, I'll get back to talking smart stuff.
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I'll get back to at least using sentence structure.
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I will continue laundering white nationalism and, and calling I'm a racialist, Jesus Christ.
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So Alex in this next clip is complaining about the media and MSNBC in particular.
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And he's like, they're like Hitler and Richard Spencer's do not talk about my furor like
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that.
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It leads to an interesting exchange.
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And we need to understand ourselves as Europeans as a broader people on this planet with a
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particular destiny and a particular charge.
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Well there's no doubt that the closest thing to Hitler is MSNBC.
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I mean, that's just, but, but from the position that, that, that white people, well, let me
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explain that MSNBC has the purest Hitler message I've ever seen.
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It's just from the perspective that whites are bad instead of other groups are bad from
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a, from an Aryan or a Nordic perspective.
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I mean, you, you tune into that, man, it's, it's socialist, it's, it's anti-white, uh,
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it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's Hitler, but from the other perspective, uh, and surely,
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I mean, you see that, uh, I, I, I, I kind of get what you're saying.
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I think that's a bit over the top to say it like that.
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What do you like Hitler?
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Uh, Hitler's just a man from history, um, a major figure like Genghis Khan.
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We need to understand where our consciousness and also our challenge is going to be very
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different than the challenge.
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Those who don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it and history doesn't rhyme.
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It does repeat.
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Well, let's talk about Hitler, the real Hitler on the other side, stay with us.
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Oh boy.
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Um, that was what we call a non-answer to the question.
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Do you like Hitler?
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Do you know what is the least possible gotcha question I can think of?
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What do you think about Hitler?
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Uh, bad.
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Oh, the end.
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Gotcha.
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Do you like Hitler?
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No.
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In fact, I would go so far as to say I strongly dislike Hitler.
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He was just a guy.
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He was just a guy.
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That's not the no, no, no, no, no.
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Did you just start with he was just a guy?
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I know where you're coming from.
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Yeah.
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But you see this, like this is high status behavior.
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The way that Alex is like saying that MSNBC is close to Hitler and he's just laughing.
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And even after Alex isn't used to, Alex isn't used to having something like that, like having
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to defend a position that he just rambles out.
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Like he's used to working with like fucking two time losers who need Alex in order to
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exist or employees or potential employees or Barnes is going to flub a question like,
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do you like Hitler or associate grifters, you know, like Laura Loomer, people like that
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who are, who are like Alex can say like, yeah, MSNBC is like Hitler and like, yeah, you bet
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it is.
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He is.
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Yeah.
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So is CNN.
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They're all, everybody's Hitler.
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Richard Spencer doesn't give a shit about that.
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He has his own industry or whatever.
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He doesn't need Alex.
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So what are you talking about?
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Alex isn't used to that.
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Alex has to explain himself.
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The answer is ridiculous.
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And Richard Spencer, even after the explanation is like, yeah, I get what you're saying.
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I think you're trying to say MSNBC is bad and I don't like you bringing my boy Hitler
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into it.
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Right?
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God, that, that should be the simple God.
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You're so easily called a Nazi.
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You're a Nazi.
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If your answer to do you like Hitler is not no, then you're a Nazi.
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I don't understand how that's a complicated question.
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It seems like it.
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So Alex at the end of the clip said, you know, Hey, when we get back from break, let's talk
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about the real Hitler.
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And we know what that means.
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That means when he gets denied the Holocaust, not, not specifically, he's no Steve yet yet.
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It's that a Hitler was set up kind of narrative.
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So he rambles for about a minute or two about his normal talking points about Hitler doesn't
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bring up that he believes that Hitler was a Rothschild, which is weird.
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I guess that, I mean, that's a big part of this clearly said that he's researched that
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and proven it, but he doesn't bring that up.
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He just talks about how like, you know, Hitler was set up by the globalists.
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And so, uh, if you listen to, uh, how this ends, I think it would be a fair description
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to say that Spencer is kind of amused by Alex.
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There's like an elevated, like, ah, look at you kind of thing.
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And so Hitler was a creation then set up to destroy Europe and then bring down that model,
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but then bring in the scientific behind the scenes model, uh, that IBM and others were
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there propping up Hitler.
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So that's the real world.
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And so if you don't think Richard Spencer, and I'm not saying you're a Hitler, that,
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that you are controlled, you just need to watch out and understand that you might be
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more controlled than you think, uh, by the system, by how they promote you and other
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things, because you're helping create one part of that dialectic clash that they're
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wanting.
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I mean, have you ever thought about that?
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Um, fair enough.
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Yeah, I've certainly thought about bad actors, uh, and, uh, what role I might play in a,
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in a bad scheme, of course.
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But I mean, I can tell you very seriously, uh, I am for real, uh, I am passionate about
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these ideas.
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I care about our future and, uh, I'm my own man.
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Uh, so that's all I can say.
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I I'm, I mean, for better and for worse, I'm not funded by a bunch of globalists.
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Uh, but the fact is, uh, we probably need a pro white Soros out there.
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We actually need billionaires, a whole bunch, a serious movement for social change.
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We can't just back away from the stage of history and say, ah, we just want individual
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freedom and constitutionalism and so on.
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Uh, no, uh, we are actually going to need major actors in this play.
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We're going to need people behind the scenes and funders in order to accomplish this.
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And we need to get serious about that and realistic about it.
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So there's, I mean, he's scoffing or I'm not paid by globalists.
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There's a, there's a like, oh, come on.
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He's talking to a child.
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Yeah.
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That's what he's, he's talking to a 10 year old and he's like, oh, you'll learn when you
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grow up.
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You say that MSNBC is Hitler or you, you, this is ridiculous.
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And so, I mean, Soros has come up a couple of times and so Alex brings up that Soros
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is a Nazi collaborator, which he brings up constantly with people and it's almost a litmus
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test of like, are you going to go along with this?
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Everyone knows it's not true.
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Yeah.
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Are you going to go along with this?
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And I've seen universally everyone who's on Alex's show goes along with it.
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Richard Spencer.
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Now you're talking to somebody who likes Hitler.
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That is not a smear.
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Richard Spencer responds in a way that I've never heard anyone respond.
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Pulling back from that, you say, we're going to need a Soros.
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Soros was a Nazi collaborator, did help round up fellow Jews.
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And he said it was the best time of his life on 60 minutes.
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So isn't it funny that the guy you say is the polar opposite, I guess, of what you're
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trying to do actually worked for the Nazis.
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Look, Soros had a, obviously a strange life history and Soros also has a bit of a complicated
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relationship with say Israel or the American foreign policy establishment.
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He opposed the Iraq war.
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It's a complicated story, but the notion that George Soros is pro white or racialist in
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some, in some way is completely ridiculous part of the dialectic.
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He's the other side of what, you know, okay.
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That is real.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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You could hear the eye roll.
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Just yeah, sure.
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All right, Alex, whatever.
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That is, that is funny because Spencer is a white nationalist out and out.
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Yeah.
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So he doesn't, he doesn't need this shit.
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Don't hide behind George Soros pretend being a Nazi collaborator.
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Alex, come out here with me.
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We love Hitler.
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Let's just say it.
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Come on buddy.
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Let's hold hands and walk underneath that rainbow and burn the rainbow to the ground
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because we love Hitler.
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And what this demonstrates, I think in some ways is the way in which these narratives
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like Soros as a Nazi collaborator and stuff like that.
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Those are the things that are used as a mask in order to hide behind.
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Yeah.
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And once you're out now and people just know what you are and what you're about, you don't
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need that mask anymore.
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I don't need to make up bullshit about Soros.
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I love Hitler.
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You can, you can just openly be like, yeah, you know, Soros is a pretty complicated figure.
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There's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff in his politics and in terms of his life that
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are, that are, uh, you know, complicated and, and Alex's whole premise is that Soros was
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a Nazi collaborator and, uh, Spencer's like to imagine that he has that kind of politics
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is ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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No, no.
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He's the, he's part of the dialectic.
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Yeah, sure.
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Whatever.
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That's funny.
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I've not heard really many, if any, I think there might, there may be a few, but I mean
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maybe like Dina Dell, Dr. Dina Dell, maybe one of the only people who's like really like
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kind of smacked Alex down a little bit and it was a bit more joyful than this.
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Whereas I, I've not heard many people, especially lately come in and just be like almost patronizing.
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Yeah, it is, it is so stark in contrast to how simple, uh, how simple, how much more
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simple your life and explanations get when you're just telling the truth of what you
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believe instead of hiding behind 300 different complicated conspiracy theory lies and how
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it frees you up to sort of demonstrate whether or not you're calling people out.
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You can demonstrate the lying and the deceit in someone who is hiding and you can engage
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with reality in terms of Soros and be like, he's a complicated figure.
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I can say that because I hate him for being Jewish.
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So they get to talking about what Spencer's view of the future is, which isn't great,
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but if you listen to this pretty carefully, I think you'll see a couple of instances where
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he's directly attacking some of Alex's core beliefs.
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And because of the way this interview is gone, I don't think Alex has it in him to stand
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up for himself.
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Give us your view of the future and what you think is going to unfold.
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I think my immediate view of the future is basically more of the same.
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The United States is suffering from a kind of white death, the deaths of despair.
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People who have, who are hooked on drugs and have no sense of the future whatsoever and
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are literally and killing and figuratively just killing themselves.
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I think there is going to be more of this in the future, but there will be a reaction
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to this here.
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I guess I kind of agree with you in the sense that there will be a point in which white
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people start collaborating together, working together as a team and start forging their
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own destiny.
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We stop unilaterally disarming ourselves and we understand that there is power and collective
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action.
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A team is going to destroy any individual opponent and we will eventually start acting
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like that.
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If they stand up for second amendment or their families or pro-life or against communism
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that they're racist.
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All that's kind of individualism at some level.
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It's about saying, we don't want this state power.
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We just want to be left alone and all that kind of stuff.
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All that kind of stuff is weak at the end of the day.
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The fact is we're never going to be left alone.
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We should just get that out of our minds and we probably won't leave other people alone.
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We need collective power and state power.
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We need to rise to this challenge as opposed to just saying, oh, just leave me alone.
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It'll be okay.
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Give me my rights or things like that.
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We need to start being the bad asses of history again.
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People who are pushing history in the right direction.
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We need to rise to that challenge.
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Well, I think people in general need to push a pro-human future because an anti-human future
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is being built and I'm trying to organize people against the machine.
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Anti-human globalists take over that these technocrats admit in their own megalomania,
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which they're actually building because we've acquiesced our destinies period and are laying
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down as humans.
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And if you look at what you were just talking about and the people committing suicide and
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the death at everywhere and whites leading that, it is because there is a racial attack
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on whites being directed by the filth and the scum in Hollywood and the globalist combine
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who are the enemies of all humanity.
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So he says right there at the end.
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So what you have is Spencer laying out his view of what is going to come.
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And that is basically we need to have collective action in order to take over apparatuses of
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state power.
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And then whites will be in charge and run everything with that world view in place.
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And Alex is like, wow, what about, you know, they come down on you if you're into the second
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amendment.
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These are the most deeply held beliefs Alex has.
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And Richard Spencer says they're weak.
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Those are weak.
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We need to control the state apparatus.
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We need to embrace the state, the power of the state.
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We need to create an authoritarian system.
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And Alex, based on everything, everything that he professes to believe, that should
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be the single worst insult anybody has ever said.
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That should be fighting words.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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That you should be the fuck off my show.
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Should be you a person who you, you love the government.
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Oh, you want a bigger federal government, please.
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You should know that, you know, you think that you're going to get your cool white guys
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in there for the government, but you know that it's just going to be used against you
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more globalist.
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They've infiltrated your operation.
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You can't allow them to do that.
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It'll inevitable.
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Like that should be his approach or something.
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Instead, it's, you know, he just proves that he is the exact, I'm just fighting for a pro
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human future, man.
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You know, like that proves that he is weak capitulation.
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Yes, exactly.
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Has been vanquished by Richard Spencer.
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Richard Spencer, because like, like it and legitimately there is something Alex could
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have done.
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Like he could have argued some of it would be difficult with his established position
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set.
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It'd be really, really fucking hard to retain your beliefs and argue against Richard Spencer.
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Yeah, but he could have prepared, he could have watched any interviews that Richard Spencer
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has done.
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Any of the streams that Spencer has been on where they discuss some of these issues, you
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could have figured out some of the tricks that he uses.
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You could have figured out, well, what's a weakness?
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What's a point you could, you could ask him about Hitler.
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The end.
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I don't think that would even really work that you see what, because that's even like
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a attack that he's had many times.
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Of course.
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So like you could have done more preparation and been able to handle yourself a lot better.
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Well, like I said, I don't think, I think he was destined to lose because of the beliefs
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that are compatible with, and Alex isn't good at nuance and specifics.
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He's explicitly against nuance and despises specific, which might be the only real way
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to have this conversation and not come out looking stupid because I mean, if you were
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to take some of these talking points that Spencer has and try and differentiate them
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from your own, you really need to get into theory.
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You need to get into like a pretty deep, um, like what's the distinction between your version
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of whites are under attack and mine.
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Yeah.
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What flavor of white nationalists are you?
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Well, and then Alex would have to try and do some heavy lifting in order to try and
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rationalize why what he is expressing isn't white nationalism and what Spencer is saying
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is, and Alex just can't do that.
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Even with a ton of prep, I don't think he'd be able to do that because he's a white nationalist.
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You can't lie enough about being a white nationalist when you've already explicitly said, I mean,
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that is a problem.
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It is.
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It is.
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It's again, so fucked up.
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How easy, how easily Richard Spencer is because the ideas that Alex and so many of these guys
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espouse all logically end with extermination or enslavement, right?
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Always.
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And Richard Spencer is just out here saying, we probably won't leave people alone, right?
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Which is like, oh, so you know that it's going to end in extermination or enslavement and
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you're just out there.
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Or displacement.
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Or displacement.
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But even then, if he displaces people, you think that his, in his, a world white nation,
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do you think they stop at the border?
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No.
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Of course not.
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No, no.
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It would end up being pretty empire oriented.
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That's the only way that they live.
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He wants everybody to look up at him with his boot on their chest.
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He's fucking crazy.
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Yep.
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So here's where the interview ends.
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And I think it ends with Alex complimenting Richard Spencer.
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Of course he does.
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Of course he does.
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Makes total sense.
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Yeah.
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Well, Richard Spencer, I got to say, you actually had a discussion with me.
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David Duke, just wanted to score points and talk about Jews all day and I would have him
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back on.
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I want to have controversial people on the show.
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It just, it just turns into, you know, trying to like score points to the other person.
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But I appreciate you coming on the show and are you going to be in Virginia next week?
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I'm going to be there in DC at the women's March.
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Well, I might come down if you're there.
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Sure.
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Well, I'd like to interview if you are, I think that'd be a good on camera interview.
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Very thought provoking because again, I mean, compared to the left right now, you're like
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an anti racist.
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Thank you.
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You're right.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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He's completely laundered this dude to his audience.
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Yeah.
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I mean, Jesus, Alex, do you want him to rub your belly now?
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Like what is going on here?
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Alex does stop short of offering him a job, but he just wants him to be on air personalities
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that he can interview from time to time.
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Sure.
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I don't see, I don't, I don't see that being like, uh, not possible.
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I think Richard Spencer might show up on Alex's show more in the future.
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I believe it.
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Like I just think this is the worst.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's disappointing.
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It's uh, you know, but it's not surprising the, the way that Alex has been operating
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in the present day, like having E Michael Jones on and Steve Pachannik denying the Holocaust
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and Alex not by batting an eyelash.
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Like there's a real trend that's happening.
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And Richard Spencer being on the show and basically just being presented as an anti
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racist compared to the, I can't, I can't, I can't, but that's, he should have been punched
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in the face.
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That's very predictable.
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Like that's, no, it is.
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It's right in line.
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Yeah.
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It's right in line.
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It's the, it's the same kind of hill that we've been going down.
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But God, if you say that anywhere near me, I'm going to punch you in the face.
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So Spencer's gone now and Alex starts talking about some of this stuff.
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And I think that what you see is that Alex is much more able to stay on what he perceives
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to be the message when he's not talking to Richard Spencer.
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There's a movement to in humanity as we know it, opposed to human move.
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And that's attacking the little boys attacking the little girls.
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They don't care what color you are.
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They're attacking the children.
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And it's good versus evil.
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And it's absolutely true that whites are under attack and that the left is pushing it with
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the Marxist-Leninist agenda.
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But I believe we're smart enough to expose that and change that.
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That doesn't mean we shouldn't be proud of who we are, no matter what color we are and
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stand up for ourselves.
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And people try to guilt us into submitting to their political agenda because we're white.
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So now that Spencer's left, Alex feels more able to stick to the message, which is still
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pretty racist.
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It's very racist, but it's, it's, it's fairly.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's fairly consistent spiel about how the globalists are attacking everyone, but
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let's focus on the white part of the equation.
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I think this highlights a point that seems pretty important and that is that Alex is
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only different from Richard Spencer in terms of how they see themselves.
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Spencer's pretty open about how he's just focused on white people.
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Alex pretends to care about all people, but weirdly, every single thing he seems to talk
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about, all the pressing issues he covers seem to have to do with white panic.
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Wow.
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That's because they're under attack.
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When the other, when the other groups and racial groups are, are the main people under
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attack, I'm sure he'll come to their defense.
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Of course.
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Right.
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Of course.
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Right.
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It seems like that's the fake wall that's between them and it's, it's a, it's only optical.
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So Alex starts talking about immigrants and he seems to express that he's fine with second
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generation immigrants.
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The majority of people being brought in right now are being totally made dependent and brainwashed
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and used to drive down wages and to be racially based.
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But people that have been here a generation or two now, I don't care what color they are.
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They get what's going on.
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And generation Z shows that that is the least white generation in American history.
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And in all the polls and studies, they're the most conservatives.
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See how that works.
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Really?
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And it's not because they're brown.
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It's because they're living in this clash and they see that it's a load of crap.
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Now, that doesn't mean you become a leftist bleeding heart and run around apologizing,
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you know, you know, because you're white to counter this and you don't then run around
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and put swastika armbands on either.
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In my view, you say, dammit, here's the scam they're running.
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Don't we want to be smart enough to not do this and be a bunch of idiots.
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And then if we fail at 20 years from now, I'm in some white redoubt with my family because
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I'm white and a giant who invited you that aren't white are coming to kill me.
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I want to fight and fight hard.
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Damn well, you better believe it.
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They choose to be racial.
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They choose to run their flags that way.
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They want to fight.
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They'll get one.
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But that'll be a group of nonwhites that have decided to come at me because I'm white.
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It won't be all the other brown people that didn't choose to be with that pirate horde.
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What are you talking about?
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So in this scenario, did you try inviting non-white people to your redoubt?
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Are there any non-white people at your redoubt or did you self-select a white redoubt in
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order to keep everybody else out?
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I don't know.
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That's-
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Hey, chicken or egg, Dan.
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Right?
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That's fucked up.
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That is fucked up.
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I don't even want to address any of that stuff.
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He's a white nationalist.
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Yeah.
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Or at least a white redoubtist.
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Right.
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And this talks about it in more sort of abstract, in the future, when it comes to it, we'll
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do this.
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Yeah.
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Whereas Richard Spencer is like, we need to do this.
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I mean, obviously I'm going to join with the whites in the coming race war.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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But until then, hey, I love second generation immigrants.
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Sure.
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So in the past, I've found polls that show that there's some conservative identification
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among generation Z folks, but also that the age group is overwhelmingly in favor of very
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progressive politics.
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When I've looked at this question in the past, I've always come away thinking that there's
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a complexity in the younger set that polling must not be able to capture.
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On the one hand, you can find like a Forbes article citing a UK study that found that
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59% of Gen Z respondents had, quote, conservative or moderate views on social issues.
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On the other hand, Pew polling from last year showed clear progressive leanings among even
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self-identified Republican members of generation Z.
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For instance, they found that 52% of self-identified Republican Gen Z-ers said that the government
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should do more to solve problems, which is far higher than any other generation.
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Gen Z Republican leaning people are far more concerned about climate change and are far
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more likely to believe that humans have a part in causing it.
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Also, just generally, Gen Z is overwhelmingly on board with recognizing systemic racism,
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supporting people's pronouns, and a lot of stuff holds true, even among Republican leaning
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members of that group.
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What it looks like is this.
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There are some people under 24 who identify as conservative or Republican, but that doesn't
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mean anything close to what Alex thinks it does.
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One of the likely outcomes you might expect from this sort of data is that these people
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will grow up and realize that their politics are not Republican-leaning at all, and they'll
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stop identifying themselves that way.
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Alternatively, if there are enough among the generation who retain their Republican identification
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and their fairly left-leaning ideas along with it, you could see a GOP being pushed
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to the left by that constituency.
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I have no idea what to expect, but I can say definitively and confidently that Generation
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Z is not the most conservative generation.
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And even if it's not as liberal as some like to imagine, it's entirely possible that labels
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mean a different thing to Gen Z than people like Alex want to realize.
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His brand of conservatism is not popular among anyone, except maybe the silent generation
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who's still alive.
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And even not that, because isn't Bernie part of the silent generation?
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Yeah, isn't that true?
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No, I mean, it's obvious.
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Regardless of party affiliation, there's going to be a difference in perspective from the
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baby boomer generation who knows they're going out real soon and Gen Z who knows that when
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they're 50, they're going to be dying in a giant hellscape earth.
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That's going to change your opinion on future policies.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks a bit about the Democrat and Clinton broken coalition
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strategy.
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And it's interesting because he's had Larry Nichols on to yell about it a lot.
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Actually, Larry doesn't yell much, sort of ramble a bit about it.
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But the way Alex is talking about this, I don't really think he understands what that
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means.
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I don't think he understands what the broken coalition is.
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The left have something called a broken coalition strategy.
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All these atomized, alone people.
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That they then throw together and right now they're using the attack training doll of
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white people and whites need to reject it and get in the face of it and get in the face
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of the left, pushing racialism and a total abandonment of Christianity and Martin Luther
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King Jr. and everything.
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And absolutely get in its face.
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And if he'll talk, the racist left, then talk.
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Spencer would talk.
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I talked to him.
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In fact, Lister should recommend the racist minority leaders we should get on.
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But behind almost all of them are white PhD Ford Foundation folks.
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Weird.
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Great.
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Okay, well then get the weird white PhD foundation people.
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Right.
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No, they're not going to come on.
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Why would you even bother?
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They're not going to come on.
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Of course not.
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It's stupid bullshit and he's trying to say that Richard Spencer's on the left or whatever.
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The broken coalition, every time I've heard Larry Nichols talk about it, this is a strategy
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that is specifically about, prior, one of the things that every candidate would do is
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prioritize straight white Christians as the largest demographic block that you're vying
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for.
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The Clintons realized that you could fight for this demographic or you could understand
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that there's a lot of people in the world who have different interests.
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So you could bring in the LGBTQ community.
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You could bring in the African American community.
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You could bring in Hispanic voters.
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And the sum of those coalition that are disconnected apparently because of their individual interests
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create a larger voting block than the straight white Christian block.
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That is how it's always been described to me in the way I understand it.
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But Alex seems to think that it's broken people, people who are individually atomized.
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One person over here, one person over there.
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And that's not at all what the conversation has always been.
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I think that he doesn't understand the topics he's talking about.
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I don't know.
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I mean, that's stupid.
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Just a few years later, GW and the conservatives would name it better and just call it the
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big tent.
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How do you get so confused at broken coalition?
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I don't know.
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That's so stupid.
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Yep.
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So in this next clip- No wonder the conservatives had to dumb it
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down.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about how his whole conception is that the globalists,
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they create two sides and then make them fight.
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Sure.
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The dialectic.
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Right.
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Yes.
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But Alex prefers the Russian model, which isn't good.
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They create the two sides, clash them together.
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I like the Russian model where they know they've been attacked.
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They know they brought in all these other groups to hate Russians.
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Russians have been told to hate themselves, not have kids, all kill themselves.
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Russian suicides down.
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Russians for the first time in decades are living longer and they're having more kids
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and they're coming back, not out of a racist thing that Russians are best, but that, hey,
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we're Russians and we like ourselves and we like who we are and we've survived a bunch
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of people trying to take us out for 500 years and we're not going to go down and we're proud
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of ourselves.
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If you want to work with us, if you're anybody in the group, that's great.
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But you want to come in and tell us what to do?
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We're going to throw your ass out and if you start to stop that, we're going to kill you.
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And that's what the Poles are doing.
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And that's what the Hungarians and the Romanians and the Czechs are doing because they've been
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invaded for 1400 years by Muslims.
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And they know it when they hear again that white people are bad, you better let the Muslims
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in to run your life.
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They say, you know what, I can't go to a Muslim country and say, I'm going to run the whole
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show.
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I'm pulling my knife out and I'm fighting to the death and they're winning.
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Whoa.
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Okay.
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So Alex prefers that model.
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What just, why is he even bothering to protect you?
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Yeah.
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Just say you're a fucking Nazi.
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Jesus.
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All I'm saying is I want a homogenous population, all sharing my exact appearance and values
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and all the stuff that I say.
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And I want them to wipe out everybody who gets in the way.
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I don't understand what the problem here is.
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Why are people calling me a racist?
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Right.
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And you know, Hey, if people come in to the country and they are completely subservient
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to my interests and my groups, I'm going to take out my knife and I'm going to fight to
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the death.
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And we're winning.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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It is just stopped.
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It is.
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It does seem to be an artificial distinction that he, he, he, he desires to make and it's
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very upsetting.
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I'm I'm almost, uh, what I, what I care most about is the people who are getting hurt whenever
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we allow the races to mix.
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That's my issue.
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All we're doing is fighting all the time.
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Let's go to a homogenous whites only population.
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Or without nothing bad ever happens when that goes on.
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Alex is interested in unity, man.
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That's yeah.
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Yep.
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Sorry.
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So if there's one shining bright spot in this episode, horses are psychic.
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That is true.
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Second is that, uh, it's been a long time, but, uh, Alex brought back one of the hits
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in this.
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We're going to get the highway man.
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No, no, no, no.
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Not a musical hit, but one of his greatest hits.
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Okay.
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Which you might've spent way too much time talking about in the past.
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I mean, I'm not a big partier, but when I was getting divorced, like five, you know,
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six years ago, I would go to Halloween parties and stuff and other people walk over to me
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because I was famous.
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They go, are you a Nazi?
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Because I was wearing a captain hat, Nazi hat, Nazi hat, you know, a white guy.
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And I'd say, you know, and they would say more about, well, you know, there's all these
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Nazis around and I'd say, no, you're the Nazi.
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You're a racist that comes in the most open country in the world.
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You tell me I'm a racist and it was like Arab men doing it and leftist women.
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I would just laugh at them in the party and just get in their face and they would, they
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would piss because they were so sorry.
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No, I'm not a racist.
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Let me, let me suck your boots.
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That's not going to happen either.
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So we get the Nazi Halloween hat story and making a resurgence in 2020.
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Very exciting.
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I wonder why he's thinking about that Nazi hat right now.
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That's strange.
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That's odd.
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That's really weird.
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I don't know.
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Maybe he's in the mood to deflect criticism that he's a Nazi adjacent.
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Yeah.
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So Alex talks about how like he gets attacked for a lot of stuff, but one of the things
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he never really gets attacked about is talking about how extra dimensional aliens are attacking
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him.
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Richard Spencer's on Twitter.
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He's on YouTube.
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I'm not because I'm trying to stop the anti-human takeover and notice they don't attack me when
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I say, Hey, it's off world entity, manipulating humanity, trying to teach us how to destroy
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ourselves.
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Notice that they don't make a thing out of that because they all follow that.
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They all know that they're not atheist that's a UFO cult out in San Francisco and Silicon
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Valley.
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They take huge doses of drugs, build the interface with these entities that are giving them the
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blueprints, the ideas of all this crap to build, and then how to make us racially fight
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with each other to take us down.
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Let me explain it again.
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Interdimensional aliens are attacking us to make us all kill each other.
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The Bible says it.
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Are we going to put up the Bible says they're stupid.
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Are you complaining that no one attacks you for that?
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Cause we, we do pretty regularly.
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Yeah.
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This is stupid.
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Also based on what we're learning more and more about a project Camelot stuff, people
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should be attacking more people for interdimensional alien stuff because usually underneath it
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is a shit ton of racism.
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Yeah.
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It does seem like there's a weird overlap.
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Yeah.
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Um, uh, yeah.
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And I also think that other people are mocking him for this, but it might not be the most
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relevant thing that like, let's say a publication like the daily beast would want to cover.
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It kind of fades into the background when there's more pressing real world issues, right?
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Then Alex believes extra dimensional demons are causing racism and giving globalist secret
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space technology.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's not for right wing watch.
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That's for interdimensional right wing watch.
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Right.
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It's a new one I'm starting.
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I'll talk to Jared.
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We'll see what happens.
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It's one of those things too that like I could see like an editor just being like, this is
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the least harmful of his beliefs.
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Yeah.
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Pass guys.
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Yeah.
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Pass.
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Yeah.
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We're an entertainment show, so we make fun of it quite a bit.
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This is very stupid.
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Also, you wore a Nazi hat, dude.
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Yeah.
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So Alex goes to calls, uh, to, to, what's yep.
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Um, and uh, there's an interesting thing that happens on this call.
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Well, I finally got through happy, um, new year, that new decade, uh, I call it the doubly
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roaring 20 twenties, like you had the roaring 1920s doubly roaring 20 twenties this year.
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Yeah.
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We got it buddy.
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doubly roaring 2020.
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If you notice that caller wished Alex a happy new decade and Alex is very insistent that
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it is not the beginning of the new decade.
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He thinks that thinking that it's a new decade is a globalist trick because the globalists
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like to fuck with calendars.
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This caller does not get corrected.
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I think this color is obviously a globalist because nobody would make a nickname longer
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than the roaring twenties.
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That was an already long nickname.
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The doubly doubly roaring 20 twenties.
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I don't know if this guy's a globalist or not, but something he says in this next clip
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leads me to believe.
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Probably not.
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I'm possibly, uh, I'm guessing that I am your best customer in Copenhagen and in Denmark
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and maybe in our old Scandinavia.
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I did the stats today about $19,000 last year on it.
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Holy shit.
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It's that tiny percentage of folks that underwrite this show.
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So money well spent my friend, God bless you.
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That's real bad.
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19 grand.
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How?
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I don't know.
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How did he lose money gambling with his products or something?
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What happened?
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I wonder if that's just not true.
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I can't be true.
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It seems very high.
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19,000.
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I mean, a lot of the stuff is pretty expensive, so it's real expensive.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, if you bought like a, uh, like one of those water filtration devices that
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are like, oh, that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Cause some of the ones that Alex sells are for like showers and stuff too.
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So it's like a lot of water.
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Yeah.
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I could see, you know, I, I see it being possible.
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I also see it being unwise.
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Yeah.
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I will say that.
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I was shocked.
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It's like when you hear somebody spent a thousand dollars on candy crush, you're like, you can't
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even, you can't do that.
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Can you do that?
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You can't do that.
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You did.
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What?
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How?
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Why?
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So once this caller says that he spent $19,000 last year at Alex's store, you kind of got
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to get like, this guy has got to, you got to let him talk.
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And here's what he has to say.
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I just want to start with some background that I believe, um, based on my, you know,
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extensive research over decades now of, you know, world history and psychology and all
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I'm going to get some nazi as a matter of this date is the greatest psychosocial political,
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economical, spiritual, super genius ever.
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And I, and the thing about him is if there were a political IQ test, his would be about
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a 300.
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I mean, and I've been saying now for years, he has clearly studied Machiavelli.
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He's clearly studied Bismarck.
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He's clearly studied Sun Tzu and he's clearly studied Claudius and I can get into any one
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of those.
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Okay man.
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I mean maybe you should try reading more recent books.
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I, how can you possibly believe that?
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What?
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That I mean, how can you spend $19,000 on Infowars products?
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Nevermind.
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Yeah.
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Of course he believes that Trump is the single greatest.
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Yeah.
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I'm out.
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Yeah.
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Good call.
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So why am I engaging?
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I'm not going to either.
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So Alex says in this next clip that, uh, I got kind of derailed, man.
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That Andy Vax story that I had was supposed to be the main story today, but I ended up
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and then I was a Nazi for a while.
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Anyways, let's get back to it.
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I just basically mainstreamed Richard Spencer with my audience.
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I kind of forgot.
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Well, I better yell about it.
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You know, I probably won't get to the UN report even though it's our top story.
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I've covered it Sunday.
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I covered it Friday.
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I covered it Saturday.
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It's so huge.
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Maybe I should just do the whole show tomorrow on it because you can't just, you know, go
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piecemeal on something this big.
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The head UN scientist says vaccines are killing people.
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Let's do that again.
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Vaccines are killing people and we've been covering it up and there's no accurate real
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testing and then she's on TV saying it's all safe and effective and we have all the other
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top scientists saying you don't want adjuvants and people are pissed and the doctors don't
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believe us anymore and they know the vaccines are hurting everybody.
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This is the top summit in Switzerland.
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And of course it's in the independent media and okay, a few hundred thousand views on
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my website, the band dot video, this needs to be everywhere and the only way it gets
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out is you.
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But see, first it's sensor Alex Jones and now it's don't talk about vaccines.
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Don't even tell us what's on the insert.
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Wow.
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That's stopping public health.
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That's covering up for corrupt drug companies that Facebook and Google are invested in filthy
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criminals and now they want to make these vaccines mandatory.
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The Nazis just lined you up and shot you, but see, they know how to give you a shot,
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kills you 10 years later.
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You got to stop talking about violence is going to come out of this.
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I don't want violence, but if they keep trying to force vaccines and people get their kids
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hurt and they get hurt, these vaccine heads and these corporate heads and then big tech
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heads are going to be fair game open season.
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Whoa, that's not good.
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That's not good.
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Open season on, I guess, doctors and the pharmaceutical people because of vaccines by that same sort
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of logic, you could really see somebody making an argument that people who push anti vaccination
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stuff should be killed.
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There's open season on that because if you could create some sort of a causal inference
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between people disseminating anti vaccination information in various areas or let's say
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increased numbers of people getting vaccine waivers on exemptions and then outbreaks of
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diseases happening, if you could do that, then it would track that anti vaccination
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is causing people to be hurt and killed.
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Yeah, of course.
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And then there's open season on guys like Alex Jones.
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And of course that's not appropriate.
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Of course that's not good.
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So you just see like this sort of line probably feels good for Alex to say, but realistically
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he's opening the door for people who are extreme on the other side to justify violence against
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them.
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Of course.
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It's all very stupid and it doesn't take into account the reality of the situation.
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It's just blustery nonsense that is only meant to escalate and make people not really understand
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the topics that are being covered, but feel intense things.
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Yeah.
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And the violence doesn't end there, man.
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Alex starts talking about fentanyl and...
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Now he wants to kill all Chinese people?
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Not necessarily, but a different group.
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One grain of pure fentanyl will kill you and they're lacing everything with it.
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And I just, everybody I know has people dying or almost die from it.
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I am so pissed.
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I'm going to say this.
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Anybody in my family gets hurt by fentanyl.
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I'm holding the Democrats responsible and the Chinese...
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Really?
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That's violence attacking me and my family.
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I am pissed.
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Yeah, they are.
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They're there.
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It's horrible.
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And thank God Trump's trying to stop it.
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And thank God that law enforcement understands this isn't like cocaine or something where
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they let some of it slip through or whatever.
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Everybody with fentanyl selling it needs to be executed.
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Do like China does or Singapore, kill people that sell it.
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I want them dead because it's too damn...
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Millions are getting killed by this crap and it's pissing me off.
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Excuse me.
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Millions.
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So here we find noted self-described libertarian Alex Jones expressing a desire for the state
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to enact lethal force against people who are engaging in a market interaction where they
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provide a dangerous substance that people can choose to take or not.
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Why doesn't Alex believe that people have individual rights?
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Why does Alex think that the state has the right to initiate violence?
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This should be entirely against his basic political principles.
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At least it would be if he were actually a libertarian.
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But he's not.
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He's evolved, as many libertarians do, into a full-on authoritarian.
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The legal system does already recognize that selling drugs that result in injury or death
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require harsher penalties, like longer prison sentences.
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Are you sure they don't require execution?
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No.
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I'm not positive of that.
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What Alex is calling for is execution of drug dealers.
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And even in his calling for it, he's cognizant that his position is in line with the horrible
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oppressive states that he thinks are the big evil in the world.
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And one of the main problems you're going to run into if you try and enact a policy
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like this is, where's the line?
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Many of the people who are selling opiates with fentanyl in them have no idea there's
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fentanyl in there.
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Should these people be killed too?
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How do you prove and establish that a drug dealer had foreknowledge of exactly what was
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in the drugs they were the middleman for selling?
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It's almost an impossible case to make, and I would assume that what you'd end up doing
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is probably just encouraging summary executions of people, and now we're at deterrent levels.
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Yep.
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You know what I remember based on two amendments to the Constitution?
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Prohibition works.
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Well, I mean, they didn't just execute people with booze.
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See, wasn't that what The Intouchables was about?
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Executing people with booze?
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Might have been a subplot.
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Further, I want to ask this question.
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What's so special about fentanyl that makes Alex want to kill people who sell it?
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Sure, it's dangerous and it can be lethal, but so can tons of other drugs.
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And a death from an overdose is a death from an overdose, regardless of what substance
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people take.
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According to the CDC, only 67.8% of drug overdose deaths in 2017 were even from opiates.
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And that's not all fentanyl.
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Approximately 20% of overdoses involved cocaine.
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So it would be important for Alex to explain exactly what it is about fentanyl that makes
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it okay to kill someone who sells that, but not okay to kill a cocaine dealer.
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This is the real issue.
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Alex thinks he's making a nuanced cogent point, like that fentanyl is just so much more dangerous
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and thus you have to kill people who sell it, but this is just the exact same line of
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rhetoric that anti-drug people have used forever.
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He has subjectively decided that fentanyl is so dangerous that it merits killing dealers.
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But using that same path of reasoning, someone who's universally anti-drug could point to
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the 20% of OD deaths in 2017 involving cocaine and say that cocaine is so dangerous that
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you just have to kill people who sell it.
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Plus, the opiate crisis is not just about fentanyl.
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Tons of people who are dying are dying from taking prescription opiates, which can be
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super dangerous when they're abused.
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Using Alex's line of reasoning, it would be possible for someone to advance the position
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that we should kill pharmacists, which I kind of hope this illustrates how absurd Alex's
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position is.
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This level of baseline, childish, and violent positioning is really dangerous.
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Alex is mad about stuff, so he's letting off some steam saying drug dealers should be killed,
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but the effect of this is normalizing positions that should be way far outside what's acceptable.
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But then again, Alex has never really had a problem with Duterte, so this is probably
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just something he's been cool with for a while and just kept under wraps.
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I hear two things going on.
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One, I can hear him finally reacting angrily to rolling over and letting Richard Spencer
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rub his belly.
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It seems like that probably is psychologically involved.
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If he can't prove it, it feels that way.
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And then two, because he was talking to this out and out white nationalist, his rhetoric
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is so much more violent and so much more based around extermination.
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I think you might be seeing a coincidence.
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I could be.
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That's entirely possible, but he's not talking about we need to put people in prison.
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This is straight up exterminating.
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True, but that's also still fairly in line with the escalation that he's been going under
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for months, the last few months now.
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I can see psychologically the way Alex operates and how fucked up he often is after an interview
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doesn't go the way he wants it to.
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My sense from listening to it, like the entire thing, it doesn't really track that way necessarily.
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I think it's more just like this is more what he's doing these days.
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So I don't know.
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These clips are curated and ordered, so obviously I don't have the full context there.
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It's the progression it sounds like, because the ones immediately after he was fairly docile.
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Little defensive.
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As we get further and further away from it, it's pure like, and we should kill them.
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I think it's more a reflection of how extremely he's selling this UN Vax story and he realizes
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that he didn't cover it on the show, so he needs to make up for it a little bit.
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That leads him towards this violence and it carries over into the fentanyl thing.
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That makes sense.
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I think that that's probably, but I'm glad you brought that up because I think you could
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easily be heard by our listeners as like that being the natural conclusion.
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And honestly, we can't know.
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That might be what he's going through or it might not.
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That's entirely possible.
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Unfortunately that's how the world works.
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So Alex takes one last call here on the show, and I think this caller might be into Project
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Camelot.
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Alright sir, so I have something I want really quickly the crew to just promise me they'll
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look up.
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It doesn't have to be today, but in the next few days look up Salvatore Pius.
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Salvatore Pius put out a patent.
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It's a patent for a vehicle that the US Navy is using and says it's operable and enabled,
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and y'all should really look into it.
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Salvatore, tell me again.
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Salvatore?
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It's Salvatore Pius, but it's like, it's P-A-I-S, like the country's name literally translates
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to savior of our country.
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This is real.
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This is really, really, really real.
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It's an anti-gravity craft.
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It can go Mach 46.
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Mach 46!
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Mach 46, Dan!
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Yeah, it's fast.
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So over the past few years, Salvatore Pius has applied for patents on behalf of the Navy
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for a number of very futuristic technologies, including a machine that would create electromagnetic
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fields, a zero-loss electrical generator, and a compact nuclear fusion reactor.
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There's literally no reason to believe any of these things have been made.
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They're just patent applications.
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Anyone can apply for patents for whatever they want.
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It's not required that they patent something that actually exists at the time of application.
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Some people theorize that these patents are part of a misinformation campaign to make
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other world leaders believe that the United States either has or is working on particular
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things, which could have the effect of redirecting some of their research and lead them to wasting
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a bunch of money down rabbit holes.
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Sure, sure.
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That does seem like something that's within the realm of possibility, but I have no idea
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what's going on.
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That is just a theory that some people have advanced.
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We're at eight-dimensional chess now, and science has proven that there are dimensions
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above and below and all around us, Dan.
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And evil spirits are real.
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Yeah, and that's how you play chess.
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This stuff is being pushed by people like David Wilcock, exactly what this caller is
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saying.
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Yeah.
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It's people in the Project Camelot side of the equation.
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Until there's any proof of any of this stuff on patent applications, once there is that,
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I'll start to give a shit.
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But for now, this is really ignorable.
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What this demonstrates very clearly, though, is that there is a basic lack of reality literacy
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in people like this caller, and to a certain extent, Alex.
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The caller doesn't realize that a patent doesn't mean the same thing as an actual invention,
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so he's using completely irrelevant proof to claim that the Navy has all this futuristic
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tech.
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Because Alex doesn't really know the difference either, he can't explain it to the caller
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that he's making a reasoning error.
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These two people have different deficiencies, but they compound each other.
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The caller has a basic misunderstanding, which he presents to Alex, who's supposedly an authority
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figure.
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In his capacity as that authority figure, Alex completely abdicates any responsibility
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to set this caller straight about patents, and in doing so, he allows his stamp of approval
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to tacitly attach to this stuff.
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It's just bad work all over the place.
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Yeah.
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Also, there's a slight problem with the translation of Salvatore Pius's name.
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They aren't specifying what language it translates in.
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And then he's saying it's savior of the country.
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Salvatore does mean savior in Italian, but Pius is country in Spanish.
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There is a word for country that's close in Italian, but that form is spelled differently.
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It's not the same word.
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And it's not the word that most Italians would probably use in that context.
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Pius is more for town, generally.
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So he's the savior of both Italy and Spain, is what you're saying.
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Totally.
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Translation is complicated, and honestly, it's more fun to use this guy's name to build
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a conspiracy.
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So I get where this comes from.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, I'm fine with that.
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Yeah.
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So they talk a little bit, and this is sort of how we end up the show.
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I just have one question for this caller, and it determines whether or not I believe
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anything that he's saying.
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What do you think about the Getty?
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Do you have a telescope?
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Okay.
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Alex, I mean, he's not doubling down on this guy, this caller, but he isn't also bringing
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any reasoning or any rationality into it.
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This is Space Force.
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This is a craft of Space Force.
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Realize that.
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Well, I know there's a lot of hidden technology they haven't rolled out yet, and Trump wants
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to do that to innovate us out of this bubble into an even bigger one, a big juicy one.
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So I will look into it.
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Yeah, there it is.
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That's an article.
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I haven't seen that.
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Let's get some documents.
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I'll look into that.
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It looks like Daily Mail.
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So the headline of this article in the Daily Mail begins, quote, US Navy has been granted
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a patent on theoretical aircraft, theoretical being the operative word there.
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The article literally says that a representative from the Navy has said that the tech described
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in these patents is not possible, quote, as corroborated by a letter defending the patent
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penned by the chief technical officer of the Naval Aviation Enterprise, James Sheehy, the
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motive movement is, quote, beyond the state of possible.
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Also, for someone who's made a career selling gold and survival goods warning that the globalists
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are going to collapse the economy, it seems weird that Alex would applaud Trump for escaping
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the current economic bubble by entering a bigger, juicier bubble.
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That's just a fundamental misunderstanding of the word bubble.
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Yeah.
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It seems like if anything, he should recognize that the end result of that bigger, it's a
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bigger and less juicy crash.
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Alex, I just put a Band-Aid on it, it may have worked.
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Yep.
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Oh, the oceans are heating?
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Put a lot of ice in there.
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And that'll solve the problem forever.
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So this seems like a weird way to end, but it is how Alex ends the episode.
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Yeah.
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But it also, I think, is really actually very salient to the problem that is going throughout
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this episode, and largely speaking, a lot of Alex's stuff.
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Life and career.
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This caller is calling in with a complete bullshit, very easy misunderstanding of how
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things work.
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Yeah.
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He believes that they've applied for this patent and therefore this machine exists.
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Yeah.
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It's pretty simple to set straight with like, no, patents don't work that way.
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Look, there's a bunch of time machines that have patents.
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Why don't you go look through the patent office and see all the stuff that doesn't exist,
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can't exist, whatever.
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Works perfectly.
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Right.
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So that would be something that Alex should instill in his audience, a greater understanding
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of how the world works so they can be better critical thinkers.
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That's presumably what Alex's mission is.
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You want smart people out there.
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Absolutely.
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And the real.
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That'll do it.
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But because Alex's main basic narratives and everything that he talks about doesn't stand
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up to any kind of critical scrutiny, he needs to have an audience that does believe that
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patents mean a real spacecraft exists.
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He has to have that, and so he will never do any of the pushing back on the callers
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in order to help them reach a more critical thinking oriented space.
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This unfortunately has the byproduct of having a group of people you've brought together
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to think uncritically exposed to people like Richard Spencer dancing circles around you.
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So when you have somebody like Richard Spencer on and you think, oh, just because I'm so
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great and awesome and smart, I'm going to have him on here and he's going to bow before
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me with my superior points.
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I'm correct 97% of the time, after all.
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All I do is interview mutual liars and collaborators, basically people on the same scam as me.
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So I have a very overinflated sense of my ability to make arguments.
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And simultaneously I'm surrounded by coworkers and employees who put up with me barging off
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set because I'm mad about Mike not being given to me or some shit.
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I have outbursts all the time that people have to put up with.
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I'm in an abusive situation with my employees and so of course I am going to be great at
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talking with this guy.
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Guy comes in, completely dismantles all of the counterpoints and the audience that is
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trained to be basically just like they're sitting ducks for this shit.
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I hit a thousand playing in my T-ball league, so naturally I can bat another thousand playing
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this minor league shit poster.
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Yeah, cool.
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They're sitting ducks for bad actors who are introduced into Alex's space in ways like
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this.
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E. Michael Jones and Richard Spencer are particular examples of it lately.
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If you did any preparation, you would know what you're exposing your audience to.
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That's why it becomes very difficult and I understand where you're coming from where
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it's like there's a plan here.
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It becomes very difficult to deny that it appears that there is when the behavior seems
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very consistent.
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When there appears to be a pattern to it, it's hard for me to sit here and say, Alex
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is just bad at this.
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He's inviting these people on like a guy who hates Jews very passionately or Richard fucking
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Spencer.
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He's just inviting them on and he's doing a bad job.
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It's hard for me to take that position and I don't fully take that position.
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I only do so because I don't see any actual hard evidence that this is a plan, but even
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still I can't deny that this is kind of what you would do if you were trying to do it.
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Well, I think that's where we get right back to the 2013 investigation.
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I don't care.
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Functionally, it is the same.
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Fair.
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That's fair.
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One way or the other.
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It's not my job to parse how people feel or what they're thinking.
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It's my job to parse.
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That's the difference.
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Fair enough.
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I will now end my sentence.
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No, and that is fair.
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I take your position entirely as well in terms of the functional difference is negligible.
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It's not really important.
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What the end result is is you're presenting hardcore bigots to your audience under the
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auspices of pretending to push back against it or explore what they believe, at the same
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time presenting them in the most positive light imaginable.
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The function of that is your sitting duck audience is going to think of them in a different
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way than they might have if they were presented based on what they actually believe and what
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they've actually done.
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Yes, I agree with you.
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My only quibble is, at all, from my perspective, if he's doing it intentionally, it does change
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what you should think about Alex.
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If he's doing it accidentally and because he's a white supremacist Mr. Magoo just fumbling
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through his existence, still look at him and think he's pretty bad, but it doesn't excuse
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his behavior.
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No.
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I think there's a different approach you would take in terms of looking at it.
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That's the only thing that's relevant for me.
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Yeah.
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It is becoming harder and harder to allow plausible deniability, but I don't think,
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I'm mixed on it.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I feel like it's similar a little bit to me to hearing that Milo recording of Richard
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Spencer.
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I don't care.
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I mean, obviously, that is the end result of his white nationalism.
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That's part of his white nationalist belief.
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If he just even says, I'm a white nationalist, I don't care if there's a gotcha tape.
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He's already revealed that the gotcha tape is what he thinks.
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Right.
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The gotcha tape is implied, it's implicit, but at the same time, it is...
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And you shouldn't need that.
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Like the New York Times shouldn't need that to know that you don't give this fucker a...
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Because they're doing that.
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And you shouldn't need Bret Stephens' most recent column to know that he's a fucking
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Nazi too.
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You don't need all that stuff for functional purposes as opposed to...
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I'm not going to say that I can prove that a tape like that existed until one, but functionally,
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it might as well have.
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Right.
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Right.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Do you see what I'm saying there?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It comes from slightly different places of responsibility.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, this was a tragic episode.
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Yeah.
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I think that as we see 2020 developing, I wouldn't be surprised if Richard Spencer comes
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back and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Alex ends up talking irresponsibly with
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even more extremists as things roll along.
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So I mean...
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I'm actually going to disagree with you.
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I think I would be surprised if Richard Spencer came back, not because of anything they talked
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about, but because Alex either is going to recognize that he got his ass roundly handed
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to him.
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I doubt that.
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Or he is going to be told not to.
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I doubt that too.
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I would say it's entirely dependent on what kind of coverage he gets out of it.
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Yeah.
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That's probably true.
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I mean, if he gets a lot of new traffic, I would assume he's going to keep going down
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that road.
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Yeah.
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You're probably right.
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But I don't know.
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It's got a trend growing.
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Not good.
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So I don't look forward to where this goes.
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But we will be back, Jordan.
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Bleh.
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Yeah.
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We have a website, Dan.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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