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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first-time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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Knowledgefight.com, knowledgefight.com.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple of dudes.

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I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about that fella, Alex

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Jones.

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Indeed, we are Dan.

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Right.

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That was sort of like a bad wrestling announcer, the way you were holding the mic.

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I almost like it.

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Let's get ready to rumble.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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I think I just got charged a copyright infringement on that one.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The buffers are going to come after you for that.

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I think so.

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They got a lot of money tied up in it.

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I do not like it when people tell people to rumble.

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What's going on?

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Oh, Dan.

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Yeah, Jordan.

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You know what?

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I don't know if I've ever asked you this show or outside.

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This will make for an interesting question, though.

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Have you ever done sketch comedy, Dan?

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I mean-

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Have you ever done a sketch?

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You already know the answer to that.

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I don't know if I do.

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Yeah.

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I told you that when I was in church, going to church all the time, I was on the drama

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team.

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All right.

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I did sketches during the youth services.

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I mean, in a sense of actual comedy.

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Maybe a little bit.

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Back when I lived in Missouri, I was trying anything I could because there's no community

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there.

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There's no real opportunity to do standup all that much.

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So I started my own bar show that went pretty well.

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And then I also tried to get in on the internet sketch little video game, and I am no good

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at it.

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I am zero.

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I am very bad at it.

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You're zilch.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I made a couple little video sketches.

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They were just not-

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Do you have anyone that's memorable whatsoever?

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The comedian, New York comedian, semi-famous New York comedian, Kyle Ayers, he and I came

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up together in Columbia, Missouri.

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And so we had one sketch where the whole premise was that we were trying to come up with a

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nickname for me.

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And so we were sitting there on a couch, and I kept coming up with names that were like

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The Denialator or something like Dan something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was just bickering.

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There was the whole thing.

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Me him and Ryan Beck, another comedian, three of us would always get into fights about how

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I thought the essence of comedy is arguing with each other.

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All just having disagreements, and then they would disagree with me, and then I would make

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it funny.

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And then it would be the essence of comedy.

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I proved my point.

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They didn't enjoy that.

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No, absolutely not.

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So those meetings about doing sketches was probably more fun and funnier than the actual

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sketches themselves that ever got produced.

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But it wasn't something I wanted to pursue.

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I'm not a very good actor.

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I can't remember lines that well.

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I'm not really good at improvising.

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I can have a conversation with somebody, but once the pressure of like, we're in a scene

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and I've got to come up with something to follow the game, I can't do that shit.

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You don't really get into the moment.

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I have no patience for it.

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You have no patience for not thinking.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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You have no patience for the instant reaction of something.

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If I were in an improv show, I've seen a lot of them.

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I don't hate improv or anything, but I've seen a lot of them that are pretty bad.

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And most of the time I imagine myself in the scene, and my reaction to something is like,

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fuck this noise.

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I just leave.

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Like, what are you doing?

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That breaks everything.

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That would be the best episode of Whose Line Is It Anyway ever.

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Somebody just walks up there to Colin Mockery and is like, this is fucking stupid, and then

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just storms off.

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Ryan?

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Ryan Stiles?

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I gotta go.

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It would not be as compelling television.

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So no, I don't know a whole lot about sketch comedy, but I do know quite a bit about Alex

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Jones.

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And I only know what you tell me about both.

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That's right.

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And that's the theme of this year's show.

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That's the gig.

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And today we're going to be going over a present day episode.

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We're going to be talking about September 23rd, 2019.

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There's some interesting stuff that goes on.

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There's some stuff that infuriates me.

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There'll be some stuff that infuriates you.

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So we're going to cover all of our bases.

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On the 23rd?

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I can't think of any large events that could occur that Alex had stuff to say about that

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would infuriate me specifically.

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He might have a take on the climate protests.

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Interesting.

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I wonder if it's great.

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It's pretty good.

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It's not.

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It is pretty good.

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Pretty great is how I feel about the people who have signed up and are supporting the

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show.

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So we shall take a moment to say thank you to a couple of them there, folks.

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So first of all, Chris, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Chris.

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Next twist, Christopher.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Christopher.

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Thanks, Twistopher.

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All right.

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You know, that's some improv comedy right there.

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The Chris contingent is coming together.

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Yeah.

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We all signed up for that abolition.

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That's true.

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There's a there's a good name in there somewhere.

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Next, Justin.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Justin.

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Next.

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Jenny with an I.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Jenny.

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Thanks, Jenny.

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I'm going to dot that I with a heart.

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I'll be goddamn sure about that.

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Absolutely.

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Next, Michael.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Michael.

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Then, finally, Callan, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much, Callen.

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking,

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hey, I enjoy what these guys do, I like this show,

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you can do that, you can support our show

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by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking the button, it says support the show, show, show.

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Show the show.

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What is this?

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I don't know.

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I would appreciate it.

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Yeah.

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So Jordan, today we start on the 23rd,

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and this is really interesting,

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because Alex starts the show with the music

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that I've never heard him use before.

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Okay.

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And it actually kind of got me pretty excited.

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Pretty hyped.

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If you come back to California,

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you should just hit me up.

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Ladies and gentlemen, it is September 23rd, 2019.

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I'm your Alex Jones host, and we are here attempting

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to cover the news and chronicle what's unfolding

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and what we're about to witness here.

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Three things.

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First of all, that's Lana Del Rey.

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Is that Lana Del Rey?

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Okay.

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Second, Alex said, I'm your Alex Jones host.

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And third, he said, we're gonna attempt to cover the news.

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Oh boy.

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That's a bad intro.

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That's a trifecta of greatness right there.

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So Jordan, it's profoundly weird

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that Alex is opening his show with a song by Lana Del Rey

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immediately after we talked about him not liking her

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on our last episode.

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It is really not weird.

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It makes perfect sense.

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They are fucking with us.

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No, it could easily be misconstrued as that,

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like sending subtle messages to us.

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And if I were the type of person who likes Alex a bunch

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or someone who works for Infowars

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and likes to create false perceptions,

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I would probably accept that's the reality

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of what's going on and I would tell the audience,

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hey, Alex is fucking with us by playing Lana Del Rey.

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Right, it'd be hilarious.

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But that's not the case.

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Oh no.

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In truth, it seems like Alex really likes

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Lana Del Rey's new album, Norman Fucking Rockwell.

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I had to look into it a little bit because I know he hated her in the past, but now he loves this new album.

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Where do you do the research that says he loves the new album by Lana Del Rey?

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Well, you see, he thinks that she's celebrating Americana.

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Oh, okay.

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Never mind. Never mind. That's easy.

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I think he might be missing out on some of the subtler artistic elements of Lana's style,

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but I will leave that to some of the music critics out there.

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So I was trying to look into this because I was like, I remember him hating her.

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And I found a clip from late August,

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one of the shows that I must not have listened to,

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because I missed some here and there.

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But on this episode, Alex goes into how he just downloaded

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the Lana Del Rey album because he saw Matt Drudge tweet about it.

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Oh my God.

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He's like, there is beauty in the world.

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Jesus Christ.

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It's a great reminder.

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All right, all right, fine.

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So here's a little clip of that where he's talking about how Lana Del Rey's new album's really great.

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And that he tells a little tale out of school about how he almost met Lana Del Rey 10 years ago.

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Jesus Christ.

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And so they put out the three music videos that I've seen by Del Rey so far,

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and they're all incredibly nostalgic American flags.

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Back when people were moving to California, back when it was the boom state.

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So it's 50s-esque, 60s-esque.

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Real quick, that song, California, that he was playing in the intro there,

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is about some guy who's gone and moved away out of America.

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And if you come back, I want to fuck you.

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Right, right, right, right.

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To be clear, it's...

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That is the metaphor for Americana.

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What are you talking about?

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I guess.

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And it's like a big old glass of pure rainwater with big old juicy ice cubes in it

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when you've been marching through the middle of the desert.

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So whether you're listening to Beethoven's Ninth or tuning in to this young lady,

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it doesn't matter how boorish she's been in the past.

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Real quick, also, while he's talking about this, they flash up on screen the album cover,

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but they have to crop it because it's Norman fucking Rockwell.

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Right, right, right, right.

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They can't show Norman fucking Rockwell.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's truly, truly beautiful.

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Though I do wish that time I got invited by Mr. Perry and the singer from Aerosmith

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to go cut their new album 10 years ago.

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I was invited for a week to be there in San Diego with him.

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She talks about Long Beach in San Diego in one of her songs.

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Oh, does she?

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She was there then, and I didn't go because I was too busy fighting the New World Order.

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Hold on, that's not name-rapping.

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But I remember they're like, Stephen Tyler is dating a woman 30 years junior

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and it looks just like his daughter, which she does have that elfin look like his daughter.

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But the point is, is that I had a chance to go.

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I like Aerosmith, but I'm just not into running around, following rock stars around.

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I got invited to go hang out with Metallica a couple of times, and I didn't do it either.

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And I'm not name-dropping.

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I just don't care about a bunch of dudes, no matter how cool their music is, or no matter

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the fact I was nine or ten years old when they only played heavy metal past midnight

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on the rock station, and I'd stay up and listen to it in my room with a headset on.

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Okay, and he just rambles from there, but he loves his Lana Del Rey album.

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He could have mattered ten years ago, and it's fucking great.

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It's ridiculous. This is ridiculous.

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That is, that is, ugh.

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So one of the-

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I'm just not into a bunch of dudes!

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Right, that's a strange way to put it.

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Next time you invite me out, I'm going to tell you, honestly, I cannot go out with you.

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I am too busy fighting the New World Order, Dan.

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You know what, honestly, you know, if you reframe the New World Order as Alex's bullshit,

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I might have turned down a number of invitations in my life because I'm too busy with this shit.

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That's a good point.

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So the reason that I think that this is really funny, that Alex loves her new album,

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is because in February 2017, Alex ran an article on Infowars with the headline,

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quote, Lana Del Rey joins effort to defeat Trump with witchcraft.

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This was in response to Lana tweeting about using witchcraft to unseat Trump,

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so I guess I kind of have to give it up to him.

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That's kind of a fair headline.

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That's an accurate headline.

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Yeah, yeah, I get it.

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But now she's released Norman fucking Rockwell, and Alex has decided that she's the best and

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is really putting out music that promotes the version of Americana that he's into,

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which seems weird.

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For one, she's been working on that album for a long time.

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She started on it in like 2016, so she was definitely writing and recording the songs

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that are on this album in the same time span when she decided to take out Trump with witchcraft,

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and Alex got really furious about it.

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Right.

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Further, the album is co-produced by Jack Antonoff, who dated Lena Dunham for like five years,

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someone who Alex thinks is a literal demon.

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Does he somehow think that the person who dated a literal demon for a half decade

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and a person trying to unseat Trump through witchcraft came together and

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put out a straightforward album glorifying the right-wing fantasies about America?

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That seems naive.

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God works in mysterious ways, Dan.

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He chooses his actors from amongst the gloried and the sinners both.

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I couldn't find the specific articles, but I also do remember Alex yelling about how

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like Lana Del Rey's Born to Die album was like celebrating death and like all this shit.

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I like how quickly things can change for him.

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Doesn't matter how boorish her behavior was in the past.

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She tried to use devilry to unseat your favorite hero.

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Right, right, right.

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That's boorish?

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These are some good tracks, all right?

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These are some good... she's got some licks, Dan.

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So I decided that if Alex loves this album so much,

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it's probably time for me to jump in and give it a listen.

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All in all, on a first listen, I think it's a great Lana Del Rey album,

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which is to say that it's lousy with dark sarcasm

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and most of the songs are about fucking dudes you probably shouldn't fuck.

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Right.

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Now, Lana Del Rey's work usually has dual meetings involved and a lot of like veiled stuff in it.

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For instance, her first album, Born to Die, appears to largely

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be about the trappings of fame and the shallowness therein and complicated relationships.

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However, in an interview with GQ, she explained that a lot of the album is about the period of

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time when she was sent to Kent boarding school at the age of 14 because she was a child alcoholic.

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She also revealed that she almost exclusively drank alone,

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which kind of introduces the thought that a lot of the characters in the songs on that album

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might not actually be people, but drives within herself.

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Yeah.

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A lot of the album does work if you view it as an ironic take on the vapidity of show

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business and the pursuit of wealth and fame over everything else,

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but there are also other things that Lana is clearly expressing in those songs,

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which is one of the things that makes her work particularly interesting to me.

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Gia is a unique sound and makes great,

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bitingly dark pop songs that also have layers to them.

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Now, obviously she's not the only artist out there who you could say that about,

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but it doesn't really matter to me.

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I enjoy her work and if you disagree and think I should be listening to better things, I agree.

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I also listen to Carly Rae Jepsen.

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Sure.

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Calm down.

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What are we doing?

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Right.

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What's the point?

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I would sum this up this way.

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One consistent thing that has characterized Lana Del Rey's career has been a strain of

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mocking the myths we tell ourselves about our cultures, our lives, and our country.

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Right.

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And in her videos, she uses a lot of patriotic imagery for ironic effect.

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Alex Jones, because he lacks any depth in his ability to analyze things,

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sees an American flag and thinks it's something that's patriotic.

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In effect, he is what she's mocking, but because Lana Del Rey makes really good music,

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even the target of her ridicule is lured into thinking that she's on their side.

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This is really impressive stuff and a really delicious piece of stupidity on Alex's part.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like a big glass of rainwater with juicy ice cubes.

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I don't think he's big into satire.

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I don't think he quite gets it.

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No.

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No.

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I do.

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I do really enjoy that though.

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It's a very unexpected twist, first of all, that Matt Drudge is into Norman fucking Rockwell.

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Yeah, that one surprised me.

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Then Alex saw a tweet that Drudge put out and is like, this gal, wow, Americana.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think that's really interesting how these people can both hate and glorify pop music

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simultaneously as being like, one album is, oh, this is representative of the death of the youth.

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And back in my day, we listened to, I love Aerosmith and all that shit.

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And then the next second is like, Lana Del Rey has some pretty good tracks, man.

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I'm just going to say that she's got some pretty good tracks.

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Yeah.

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Like she's like Portishead without a rhythm section.

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I wonder what he thinks of her national anthem video.

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I wonder what he thinks.

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Never saw it.

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What's that?

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It's that one where she's Jackie O and it's like she's living this idyllic life with the

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children and all this until the assassination.

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But JFK is played by ASAP Rocky.

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That's fantastic.

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That's fantastic.

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Yeah.

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So Alex, at the beginning of this episode is like pretty depressed and off track.

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Like you could tell with his like, I'm your Alex Jones host.

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That sort of fumbly intro is just, there's a vibe that he's a little bit down and you

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can hear it as he introduces the special report he's about to play.

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I'm going to air a Paul Harvey report that we put some images to.

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It's from like the 1970s and 1980s.

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And then we are going to come back.

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There's just a vibe of like, I'm just doing it.

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Yeah, he's a, he's not bringing it.

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He's not bringing it.

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And it's really interesting to see Alex co-opting a piece by Paul Harvey.

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These days, when he has a special report to play, it's always one of his employees who

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put it together.

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It's a John Bowne report or a Millie Weaver special.

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It's really rare for him to just take someone else's material and put images over it.

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And it makes me wonder if John Bowne is getting too expensive for Alex to keep around.

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The reason this choice is interesting to me, though, is that I've never heard Alex talk

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about Paul Harvey before, and he absolutely should have a lot.

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Paul Harvey is the blueprint for conservative radio types from the 1950s onward.

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I'm not nearly as interested in those sides of things because I think that Alex Jones

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has always been pretty far off the beaten path for most conservative radio types, like

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in terms of style.

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That being said, there is an element in which Alex is the truest descendant of Paul Harvey.

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More than anyone else could ever hope to be.

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He got drunk a lot on air.

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No, I don't know about that.

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Maybe.

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So Robert Smith discussed Harvey's career in an episode of NPR's All Things Considered

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after Harvey had passed.

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Not lead singer of The Cure, Robert Smith.

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No, different guy.

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NPR host.

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Gotcha.

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This is just after Paul Harvey had passed on.

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And tell me if any of this sounds familiar.

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Quote, Harvey's style was unique and always compelling.

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Even when he got to the ads, Harvey would seamlessly move into his pitch, making him

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into a story just as riveting as the news around him.

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The product changed, but the intensity was the same, and for it, he was paid handsomely.

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That sounds familiar.

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That little bit.

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That does sound familiar.

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Paul Harvey's legacy is essentially intertwined with his ability to make ads sound like they're

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part of his show.

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From that NPR piece, Smith asks Bruce DeMott, the founder of the Museum of Broadcast Communication,

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why advertisers loved Harvey.

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Quote, well, because he moved product.

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I mean, that was the key thing.

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Yeah, that seems like a really simple question to answer.

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Mm-hmm.

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Another article about him from NPR said, quote, Harvey's voice, transitioning seamlessly from

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a story to commentary to a carefully placed advertisement, became a kind of brand kingmaker.

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People trusted what he was telling, and so they trusted what he was selling.

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Paul Harvey blurred the line between newscaster and outright salesman in a way that DeMott

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describes as being, quote, very unseemly behavior for any other newscaster to engage in, possibly

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even a breach of ethics.

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Paul Harvey's career has touched a lot of the right wing media in ways that often go

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unnoticed.

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Some are stylistic touches, some are political moves, but for Alex Jones, Harvey was the

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king of integrating ads into your show and making them feel the same as the news.

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It was probably very unseemly in the 50s, and it sure as shit unseemly today.

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Oh, it's not good now.

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And it's all Alex does.

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That's so funny.

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That's that's so funny.

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Why did advertisers like him so much?

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Because of his great fucking moral standpoints.

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What the hell are you talking about?

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We're advertisers.

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Why else would we like him so much?

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Advertisers liked him so much because he was able to use the content of his show to push

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the ads.

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Duh.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And that's the legacy that Alex carries on today.

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Absolutely.

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And I'm sure a lot of these other right wing radio guys do it, too, but not as brazenly

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as Alex.

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Like he is so disgusting with it, as we've seen over and over and over again.

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So, Alex, at the beginning of this episode, I would say that I think that this episode

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someone else produced it.

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It feels more structured than other episodes in the sense that the first hour, second hour

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and third hour all seemed like discrete segments to an extent.

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There's still a little it's still Alex, so he still goes off track.

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But there's definitely more of a feel of like theme, theme, theme.

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Somebody's trying to put a fence around his acreage, so to speak.

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It feels like it's possible.

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Or maybe Alex is just like recognizing that maybe I should try.

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I don't know what it is, but it felt very different.

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You know, maybe the reason I'm going out of business is because I'm actively bad at this

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job.

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Maybe the things that make me bad are the only thing that are marketable about me.

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And now that I have nobody to market to, it's really fucking up.

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Maybe I should anchor myself.

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How about try and be a good show?

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It's too late for that, but it's interesting to see.

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And in the first section of the episode, Alex is trying to push.

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They want to abuse your kids in the schools.

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That's his big narrative in the first hour.

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And there's some, you know, there's some reasons that he's doing this.

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Like, there are actual news things, but most of it spirals out into really, really disgusting

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talk.

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And I'm going to try and keep that to a minimum, except where it's necessary to explain what

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he's up to.

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And this first clip, I think, is really telling, because Alex talks about his Jocelyn Elder's

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ideas about what she was pushing for, putting forth.

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His idea is that she was saying that teachers need to manually masturbate schoolchildren.

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Yes, I remember her confirming that.

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No, I remember she said that specifically.

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She said, no, guys, I know a lot of people misunderstood me, but I just want to make

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my position clear.

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I want the teachers to jerk off the kids.

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It was not what she was about and it was not what she was advocating for.

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But Alex, he remembers that she said that and he accidentally kind of reveals in this

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clip, first of all, that she never said that.

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And second of all, why he thinks that.

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Now, I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh when I was just one year out of high school.

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Real quick, you might hear Lana Del Rey in the background again because he played it

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a second time.

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It's the same song.

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This dude.

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Yeah, he loves her.

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And I remember listening to him when I was at work during the breaks and I remember going

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and looking at the things he was talking about, finding out they were true and being amazed.

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And he would play the audio of Jocelyn Elders over and over again, saying what you do with

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the kindergartners, that's how she speaks, is you reach down and you help them masturbate.

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And then she went to Congress and talked about it.

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But that was pre-internet, really.

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And I spent an hour and a half this morning obsessively.

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Trying to find it, I found one edited version.

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It's like a joke video of her saying it, but it's a bunch of cuts, but it is her saying

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it.

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No, it's not.

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It's a bunch of joke cuts, Alex.

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That's not the same thing.

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You spent an hour and a half trying to find this clip obsessively and you didn't find

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it because it's not a real thing that she said.

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It's the right wing spin that Rush Limbaugh had back then that you've internalized as

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the truth and you can't confirm it because it's not real.

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Man, that does seem like something that happens pretty frequently where they just make a claim

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and then people remember it being true, but they never really looked into it.

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And then when you're like, I need to confirm that and show everybody that I'm right, they're

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like, it's weird that I can't find the lie.

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It's strange.

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Real, real vague, real, real vague memories.

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Real odd of reality being changed.

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Probably Mandela effect.

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Yeah.

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Also, I didn't know Jocelyn Elders was the elephant man.

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I didn't know that's how she spoke.

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He does that impression quite a bit.

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It's right up there with Bernie in terms of like his favorite and the North of Ralph

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Northam.

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Those are his three like, those are his three SNL characters for sure.

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Well, he's got a shot.

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I hear there's an opening.

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Man, imagine the backlash.

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Shane Gillis got this much backlash.

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Alex Jones.

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Holy shit.

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I think I would give him a shot.

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I'd be a good stunt cast.

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Yeah, I'd give him a year.

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We know people who work for SNL.

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If they hired Alex Jones, I'd be like, Hey, could you tell them something for me?

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Oh, for sure.

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For sure.

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Direct pipeline.

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Hey Castillo, get on it.

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Yeah.

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Hey, Chris Redd.

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Fuck with Alex for me.

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So this next clip, a little warning, because I think this is probably more graphic than

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I would like necessarily, but it's necessary in order to get us to the point of what he's

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talking about.

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But when they can put their hands on your daughter's vagina or your little son's penis,

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it's hard to use those terms.

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What's happened to your kids?

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What?

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If they can do that, they can do in the thing.

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And they are.

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And the headline on info wars.com and news wars.com for this live show where we, where

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you can email it out and text it out and share it is it's official.

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The left supports pedophilia worldwide, and they're coming after your children with vaccines.

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They're going to put in them GMO little different.

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It's official Levinson doors, pedophilia worldwide.

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So the reason I got to keep that in, I think, I mean, that's disgusting.

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First of all, right.

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But Alex drops that.

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This is the headline on today's episode.

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And it's, it brings up an interesting thing that I don't think I've ever fully explained.

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And that is on info wars, the actual website, they have articles, and then they also have

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posts for every day's episode.

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So have a post with the video embedded on it of the day's episode.

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And so what he's describing there, that, that headline, Democrats endorsed pedophilia worldwide

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is the headline of the post that has his whole, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

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Typically the episodes, uh, posts, they have sensational headlines of the video of the

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show, but no substantiation of anything.

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So specifics about the claims being made in the headline aren't anywhere to be found.

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It's just clickbait bullshit.

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Right.

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I decided to check out the page anyway, to see if there's any indication of what Alex

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is talking about because he hasn't made it clear on the episode yet.

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You know, like what makes this official that the Democrats are now endorsing this.

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There's no information, but there are comments.

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Here's a sampling of some of the responses from his listeners.

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Quote, Epstein was extracted and his sonning himself on the dead sea, waiting for Hillary

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to take her rightful presidency and retroactively change the age of consent to six.

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She'll be just in time to pardon big wig, Democrat donor, electors, super delicate,

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and KKK leader Ed Buck too.

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So I did not know that.

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That's a guy.

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That guy is a big QAnon guy.

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Clearly.

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Gotcha.

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One commenter claims to be the victim of Catholic priest abuse and says, if you saw one of these

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people targeting kids, he would beat them or possibly kill them.

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Another commenter replies, quote, no time like now.

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Another commenter says, quote, they're destroying the souls of our children and no one, absolutely

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no one is doing anything to take mathematical action to stop them.

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Trump has done nothing, absolutely nothing to save America's culture, way of life, liberty

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without a single unified culture, ethnicity.

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There is nothing exclamation point.

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So that person's pretty much a white nationalist.

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Uh, pretty much.

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I'm going to go with full on.

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Someone else comments, quote, the Democrat party should be criminalized.

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So that's cool.

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Sure, that's good.

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Another person chimes in, quote, I'll tell you what, this is truly the direction public

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education is heading.

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Public school teachers and administrators had better armed themselves.

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That's more or less a threat to kill teachers and administrators.

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That's definitely really awesome to hear.

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All I'm hearing is look forward to a peaceful transition of power in 2020.

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Final comment, quote, I hope the war comes quick.

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This country has already passed the point of no return.

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The only way to get it back is to take it back.

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Sure, sure.

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Good work.

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There's a real feeling of acceleration is to belief on display here in this comment

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section.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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You can look at it as a thing where Alex isn't responsible for the actions of his listeners,

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and I do agree with that to a point.

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The reason the argument is pretty uncompelling to me, though, is that Alex is intentionally

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misleading his audience on very emotionally explosive issues, and it's it's clearly doing

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it to make them feel the way these commenters feel.

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They're supposed to want to outlaw political opposition.

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They're supposed to want to threaten their enemies.

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They're supposed to feel so hopeless about the world that the possibility of a civil

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war is a reasonable option.

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These people very may well have had these feelings independent of Alex, but the reporting

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style that he needs to use in order to keep making money requires that he justify those

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feelings, nurture those feelings and make them worse.

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It would be hard for me to believe without the endless drumbeat from Alex and his ilk

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that somebody would just out of nowhere be like, I think all of my six year old teachers

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are pedophiles and I should probably start a civil war and kill them.

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And they better arm themselves because we're coming.

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Yeah, I don't think that one would would just spontaneously generate within it within

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your brain.

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It could.

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I bet it could.

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I doubt there would be as many.

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I bet for a small subsection of people that could.

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Yeah, but the level to which this feeling is being expressed in these comments.

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Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty unnerving to see, I would say.

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So I looked into this and tried to figure out what he's talking about.

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And it's there's an article in the Mirror about the underlying topic that Alex is discussing.

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The Mirror, the most trustworthy news source I can think of.

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I do think it was reported in some other places.

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It's not like a totally made up thing, but it's more or less just sex education issues

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being turned into right wing bullshit about the teachers performing sex acts on kids.

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The Mirror article includes an image of the part of this manual, this for sex education

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that that everyone's up in arms about.

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It's not really even encouraging kids to masturbate as like the right wing news people

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are are are painting it as.

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It's really more saying that that is a normal thing that people do and you shouldn't feel

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dirty about it.

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It isn't even like sexualizing, really.

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If you look at the context, it's saying that, quote, lots of people like to tickle or stroke

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themselves as it might feel nice.

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They may play with their hair, stroke their skin, or they may even touch their private

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parts.

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This is very normal.

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That's destigmatizing.

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That's not sexualizing.

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No, you're you're just wrong.

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Everybody who does that is a disgusting hose beast and they should be condemned to hell

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as the Bible fucking dictates.

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Dan, sure, there are what kind who would say that masturbation is an average thing that

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literally everybody does?

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I don't know.

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Nobody.

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The right wing is and Alex is arguing that this manual tells kids to touch themselves

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in the bed or the shower without giving any context to where that comes up in this manual.

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The manual is using those as examples of places.

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It's appropriate specifically to make the point that it's super inappropriate to do

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that sort of thing when other people are around.

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Quote, it's not polite to do it when other people are about.

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It's something we should only do when we're alone, perhaps in the bath or shower or in

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bed, a bit like picking your nose.

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This is not sexualizing.

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This is destigmatizing.

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Yeah, but if you've ever been in a sex ed class, that line is so much like you can I

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can hear my seventh grade teacher going like, you hear that, Carl?

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In the bedroom or in the shower, God damn it.

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It's not even clear.

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Not in my classroom.

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It's not even clear that this manual is meant to be the curriculum itself.

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Right.

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As much as sort of guidance for the teachers.

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Yeah.

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I don't even know what the point is.

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But as far as I can tell, this is also just a UK thing.

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This is not like in America.

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And it's only at 240 schools in the UK.

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For some context, the British Educational Suppliers Association estimates there are

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currently 20,925 primary schools in the United Kingdom.

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So this is a very small portion that are even possibly utilizing this curriculum.

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Alex is intentionally trying to conflate this story with the other story that we've talked

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about about sex ed classes in California and also with erroneously remembered ideas about

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what Jocelyn Elders said 20 years ago.

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And he's doing that to create a narrative that will infuriate his audience.

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And based on the comments on his website, it looks like it's working pretty fucking

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well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but at least he's telling complete falsehoods.

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That is a relief.

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That's a positive.

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Yeah.

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I'm glad.

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You know what?

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Because if he was right about anything, I'd be angry too.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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It's a good...

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I feel comfortable knowing he's 100% wrong.

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Well, if you want to have a conversation about like this should be taught at home as opposed

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to in school, I think there's a different way you would go about it.

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Like if your problem is sincerely like this isn't appropriate at a school, you wouldn't

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escalate it to they're giving kids hand jobs at school.

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Right.

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You wouldn't do that.

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If you had a problem with something real, you wouldn't like completely exaggerate it

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out to a completely absurd version that only serves the purpose of radicalizing and angering

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your audience in the direction you want them to be angry so you can capitalize on their

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anger.

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Yeah.

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And that's exactly what Alex is doing.

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He does a really long, disgusting segment about this.

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And then here's what he does immediately after.

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We're gonna go to break with this key report.

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We're gonna come back and break it all down.

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Please stay with us.

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Infowars.com.

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Tomorrow's news today.

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I've never been a vain person.

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I've never been obsessed with my looks.

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And I never claimed to look like a supermodel or something out of a Calvin Klein catalog.

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He's literally claimed to be a Calvin Klein model.

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He's claimed all of those things.

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He's talked about how he used to get beat up because he was too attractive.

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Yup, yup.

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You got it.

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I get he's talking about his present self or whatever.

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But the vanity he has for his youth is insane.

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It's ridiculous.

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So he does this really long, disgusting segment about child abuse.

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And then he's like, we gotta go to this crucial report.

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And it starts with him being like, I've never been vain.

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And I'm like, I don't like where this is heading.

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And you know where it's heading.

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Just in the last month, I decided to religiously take the supplements.

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Rentforworslife.com that I already know are so good.

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And voila, just doing that and drinking more water.

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My workouts are better.

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My stamina, my focus, my energy is just incredible.

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And I've lost 12 pounds in a month.

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Great.

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That's not helping.

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So it's all just ads.

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It literally is just the sort of thing where he does all this, riles people up,

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angers them with these misrepresentations of news stories,

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and then throws it to a special report.

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He's got a really important special report.

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It's crucial.

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Which is just an ad.

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Well, I mean, yeah.

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It's just a commercial being played on the actual show

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because he knows that people don't listen to commercials.

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So he's even expressed that in the past.

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Like, you gotta plug on the show because no one listens to the commercials.

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So now he's migrated commercial onto the show.

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Not even him doing plugs.

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Just throw a commercial in, pretend it's a special report.

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It's crazy.

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That's probably something that he should point out as sponsored content, maybe?

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Uh-huh.

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Self-sponsored.

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So there's a little disclaimer there?

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Yeah.

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So I was so...

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Otherwise it might seem unseemly to him.

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Very unseemly.

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Bordering on unethical.

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So I was so flabbergasted by that.

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Like, first of all, I think the way he does these things about child issues and that stuff

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is so utterly repulsive.

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And it always makes me so mad.

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Yeah.

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And then for it all just to be like a lead-in for this ad special report thing,

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I was like, go fuck yourself, man.

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So I decided I wanted to check in on some things in the present day

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that might make us all feel a little better.

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Okay.

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So there's a couple of things that Alex has done that might be able to serve as a barometer

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of what kind of engagement he's actually getting in the present day.

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Okay.

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And I felt like I would take a look at some of those,

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see what we can find out about how his fan base is doing.

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The first thing we've seen recently was Alex launched his troll petition

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to get the White House to annex the moon as the 51st state,

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which also actually, if you go and look at it, includes a suggestion to quote,

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annex Antarctica as the 52nd state and tell the UN to fuck off.

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Okay.

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All right.

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That's a bold proposal.

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I like bold proposals.

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Sure.

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You know, in committee, maybe it'll get watered down,

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but you start with the boldest position you can.

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Alex announced this petition when he had big time celebrities Eddie Bravo and Sam Tripoli

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on the show.

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So you'd expect that this would amplify the audience he's reaching with this troll bullshit.

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You know, it certainly expand the reach as of noon on September 24th.

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This petition has been up for five full days and there are 712 signatures,

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which is just shy of their goal of a hundred thousand.

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Okay.

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This is a really bad sign.

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They're getting close though.

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Yeah.

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Progress.

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Yeah.

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Every, every vote counts.

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This tells me that the trolley meme crowd that Alex think fully support him are either

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an imaginary audience or they've left him.

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Like no matter how much you bring up Carpe Donkdom on the show, that's not your crowd.

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Because if they were, they would have asked her to turf the shit out of that.

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Oh yeah.

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Uh, and so I, I think that that's a really bad sign for the, the reality that Alex wishes

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to portray.

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Yeah.

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He's not going viral, viral, uh,

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like, uh, like the, uh, let's storm area 51 guys. That's, that's not gonna happen.

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And that one, even like, if you look at that petition, it's clearly meant to not have info

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wars on it for the sake of like being able to repost it or whatever.

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Ooh, they're not even being,

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like it was posted by Kit Daniels, but the initials are just KD on it.

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So like, it's very clear that they're trying to like not put any red flags on here.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Which is sad.

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That is, that is sad.

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So the meme crowd, I don't think is into him all that much.

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And like you said, he brings Carpe Donkdom on the show and talks about him being great.

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And it doesn't help.

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Well, I mean, he forgets that he's bad at memes and they're not funny.

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Well, he is.

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But also speaking of Carpe Donkdom, I want to check out on his website Meme World.

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How he's, how's he doing?

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Um, you know, that meme world is set up to free memes from the bondage of social media

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censorship.

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That website still looks like shit.

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And I was scrolling through it quite a ways down the page before I found a meme that had

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over a hundred likes.

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It was a Ben Garrison cartoon.

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So I don't know if that even counts as a meme and it only had 104 likes.

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Ooh, oh boy.

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Seize the Donk.

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The cartoon in question is based on the Thomas Jefferson quote about the tree of liberty

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needing to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

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Oh man, in my mind's eye, I can already see all of the Ben Garrison labels on it.

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There have to be so many labels on that.

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The cartoon is a tree being attacked by a bird with an Illuminati hat, a bird with a

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hammer and a sickle, a caterpillar labeled Democrats and a cat with a Google tail.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh, and an ax that says globalism.

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Brilliant.

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The tree is saying quote, I'm thirsty, which is to say it's time for bloodshed.

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Right, right.

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I'm not sure I've seen a cartoon so clearly express a call for violence than this, but

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also it's probably not that dangerous.

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If Ben Garrison's audience need all those damn labels to get what he's trying to say,

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I don't think they'll pick up on the subtext that he's saying it's time to spill people's

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blood to feed the tree.

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Yeah, also if it's a Ben Garrison cartoon that gets us all killed, I am going to have

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some complaints to the manager, Dan.

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That's going to be my number one thing to say to God.

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Really, Ben Garrison is what did it?

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And then God is going to pull up a label, put it on you.

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Idiot.

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Hell.

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So meme world doesn't look like it's doing great.

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Yeah, no.

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Then I remembered that Alex was trying to crowdfund his shit on SubscribeStar, so I

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thought I would check in on that.

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He currently only has 349 subscribers, which is a profoundly low number for someone who

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claims to have the audience size he does.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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Fucking Sargon of Akkad has almost 2,700 subscribers.

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That is a damning indictment of Alex's non-popularity.

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So I checked in on Alex's new YouTube ripoff site, Banned.video.

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He claims that he set up that site to be a place where all banned people from YouTube

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could have their free speech respected, and even though he says that, it's still just

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an avenue to put out Infowars content.

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Right.

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Every single channel is one of his employees.

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Unsurprisingly, Owen Schroyer and David Knight's channels are dead zones.

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Almost no traffic.

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The same is true of Alex's new show, Firepower News, which I literally couldn't have less

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interest in.

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I have never heard of that before in my entire life.

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Yeah, I don't even know anything about it.

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I've heard the name, don't care.

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I'm fine with it.

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It's not going to last.

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Something I found kind of interesting is that Paul Joseph Watson's channel only

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has terrible traffic.

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But then I realized, he still hasn't been kicked off YouTube yet.

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Yeah, of course it has terrible traffic.

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They're just going to the real world.

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Yeah, his fans don't need to migrate to this site when his stuff is still available

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where it's always been.

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Right.

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That's going to be a problem for Alex.

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His most popular asset doesn't really meet the qualifications for being on this site.

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Specifically, he hasn't been banned.video.

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Another issue is that there's no way for Alex to offer monetization for any of these

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video creators.

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He has literally no appeal to most advertisers, and there's no way that the soap limerick

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guy can subsidize ads on all the crypto-fascist videos that site has the potential to host.

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That's really a serious problem.

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It's like, what he's doing is solving all the wrong problems.

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Right.

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Like, the right-wing scammers on YouTube are mostly mad because their scam got disrupted.

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They figured out how to game the suggestion algorithms to inflate their channels to the

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point where they were making massive amounts on Google ad revenue.

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Demonetization is just as bad as being kicked off for them, and Alex really has no answer

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for that.

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Let's say one of these non-InfoWarriors employee MAGA assholes comes over and wants to start

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posting videos here.

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There's no reason to expect there's ever going to be a way to replicate what they had

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with YouTube, and no reason to expect that there's ever going to be money in it.

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As a place where Alex can just post his videos, it serves that function, I guess, but it's

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going to be deeply expensive over time.

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The amount of content he wants to push out to keep people's attention works well.

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It won't be cheap for hosting and the space he needs.

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I could see this as a good decision to make in better times when you could afford to take

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a hit as an investment in something that you could build into something bigger.

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Like you lose a million this year to make 10 million in five years, that kind of a thing.

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This kind of makes sense there, but as it stands now, this seems desperate and a little

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too late.

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I don't think you have time to build this into what you want it to be.

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You also would never want to allow free speech on there.

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Like you'd never want that.

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Oh no, it's crazy.

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It's like Ted Nugent wanting guns at his shows.

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Of course he doesn't want guns in his goddamn shows.

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No, you say that you want it and then you monitor heavily.

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Yeah, of course.

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The idea that the complaint is that YouTube doesn't allow X on their channel, on their

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platform.

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Now you've created your own platform, Ban.video, and not only do you not allow X, you only

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allow Y, which is your employees.

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Yeah, of course.

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Well, there's a reason they banned X, Dan.

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And I'm sure if Alex were drunk and being very honest, that's exactly what he would

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say.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yeah.

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It's dangerous to allow X.

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It's dangerous shit out there.

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If you have a responsibility for what X does, you don't want to allow X if you don't have

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to.

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Absolutely.

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All right, Dan, I've got a pitch for you.

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This is my brilliant idea.

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What if we made YouTube, but made sure no one wanted to use it and no one would pay

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for it?

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How does that sound as a business model?

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Look, I got nothing else to try.

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Let's do it.

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I'm a Wolverine backed into a corner.

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Knowledgefight.video.

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Sure.

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So, I think that all the little indications that I can get are that things aren't great.

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All of these ways that you could sort of deduce impact don't match up with Alex and the way

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he presents his audience, the millions and millions of people.

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It matches up with a fairly successful podcast being done out of a bedroom.

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Those numbers are about what you'd expect for that, not for a, I'm on stations all over

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the country and Putin listens to my show.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, although now I think that puts us in the running for shows Putin might listen to.

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I think we've got a shot now.

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Could be.

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One thing I will say though is that we solved a little mystery on this episode and that

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is that Alex revealed why he went to LA and it was to be on TI's new podcast.

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TI.

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Tip.

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No.

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Has a new podcast.

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No, no, no, no.

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Don't say those words to me.

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That is supposed to drop on Thursday apparently.

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Did you say TI's new podcast?

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The rapper TI.

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Yeah, no, I know who TI is.

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I was hoping that you would tell me there was a different TI.

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It is not.

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Okay.

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It is not Thomas Ian Nicholas.

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All right.

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Star of American Pie.

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This is the rapper TI and I can't imagine that not being a fight because I don't think

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TI cuts into a lot of Alex's bullshit.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't want to listen to it but I do hope TI, do we know if Alex survived the podcast?

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Well yeah, because they recorded it in advance and so now Alex is back in Austin so yes,

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he did survive.

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Okay.

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Well then I guess I don't need to listen.

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I think it probably will be a fight.

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I don't know.

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That's in a very strong running for what we might cover on Friday because that could be

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literal insanity.

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But we'll see.

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I mean it's one of those things.

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Alex knows that like this guy has much more of a reach than I could possibly hope for.

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Let's do this.

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Even if he yells at me.

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This is TI over here.

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Right.

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So we'll see about that.

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But also on this show, the first hour was that gross child abuse stuff.

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Second hour, Alex gets into the climate change business.

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So this is going to be right in your wheelhouse.

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I've got a lot of hot takes coming out of here.

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I can sense it.

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Yeah.

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I can see a volcano coming.

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So he's been rambling quite a bit at this point about climate change and how it's just

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meant to destroy America and the West and what have you.

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One thing I think is really interesting here is the way he frames what the goal of these

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climate change initiatives is and the specific countries he names that are targeted.

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But regardless of that, it's all one sided where Europe, the US, Canada, New Zealand,

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Australia make the cuts and no one else does.

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Not Mexico, not Brazil, not China, not Russia, not India, not Nigeria, no one but us.

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No one but us.

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I don't, if I recall, I'm pretty sure us is not in us.

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So now this is interesting.

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Man, Alex is in the middle of a diatribe about how climate change is just a plan to destroy

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the West and he lists off the countries he thinks are the only ones that have to make

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cuts in their carbon use.

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They're Canada, Australia, the US, Europe and New Zealand.

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Now it's weird how that's basically the exact list of countries that formed the acronym

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CAUSE, which was the name of the organization founded by neo-Nazi white supremacist lawyer

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Kirk Lyons.

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Alex has just swapped out New Zealand for South Africa and, you know, when Lyons made

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that organization, it was in the 90s, early 90s, so South Africa might be more of an interest

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to him back then.

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I did not know about CAUSE.

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We talked about it when we talked about Kirk Lyons.

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Oh, did we?

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He had the Patriots Defense Fund that was specifically to defend white supremacists

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and neo-Nazis.

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And then after a little while, it was a little bit too problematic so he changed the name

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to CAUSE, which was advertised as the first pro-white law firm.

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CAUSE was named what it was specifically because Lyons felt like those were the countries where

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the white race was under attack.

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This grouping of countries, what constitutes, quote unquote, the West, is closely related

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to older white supremacist beliefs and propaganda about those being white countries, the places

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where a white majority was being threatened by the evils of non-whites.

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Now it could be a coincidence that Alex is using that list.

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But we've also heard Alex constantly let slip that he believes that the West is the same

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thing as white, so it seems like he's just mirroring classic white supremacist talking

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points and applying them to the climate change conversation.

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The reason that this feels like explicit white supremacist propaganda being masked as being

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about something else is that Alex is saying that only these, quote unquote, white countries

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are being made to lower their carbon emissions, when that's never been true of any climate

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change initiative ever.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was a myth that they put out immediately after the Paris treaty

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was signed, like the right wing immediately was like, India and China are the biggest

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producers of CO2 emissions in the world and they don't even have to make any cuts.

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They had goals of cuts.

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And everybody was like, well, let's start from the beginning, you dumbfucks.

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They had goals of cuts, but there was no enforcement mechanism, so no one was forced to make cuts.

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The things that we can do as a country are things like cap and trade or carbon credits.

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Any of those sorts of ideas aren't things you can apply to the rest of the world.

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You could if you had a world government.

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Yeah, that would help.

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Right, but you can't do that.

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So whenever we talk about those sorts of things being used in order to help with the climate

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situation, of course those are only going to impact us.

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But ideally, you be a leader in the world and other countries follow.

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You can't just be like, ah, we're going to enforce our system on everyone.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which Alex wouldn't want them to do anyway.

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No, no, he does.

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I guess.

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He does.

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He wants a large governing body to force countries to do what it says.

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Sure.

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So in spite of their sovereignty, I think is the word that I'm looking for.

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That word is in play.

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So what he's talking about doesn't depict reality in any meaningful way.

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All of those countries that he listed, I'm not sure if all of them did because some of

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the developing countries in the world actually had targets that were increases in their CO2

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emissions because of needs that they would have in terms of developing and industrialization

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to help their countries.

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There's no reality to Alex's bullshit about how these agreements and climate change initiatives

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only target the West.

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When there's something that's so glaringly like this, so not based in truth, that also

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happens to line up curiously well with traditional white supremacist beliefs and a worldview,

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it's enough to make me pretty suspicious about what point Alex is really trying to make.

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It feels not about climate change.

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It feels like Alex thinks that whites are being oppressed all around the world and blamed

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for problems that are just, they're not our fault, Dan, we're just whites.

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We're just hanging around here, not causing any problems, you know, whiten it up.

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Doing finger guns, listening to Lana Del Rey.

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Just doing all kinds of white shit.

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Right.

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Cool.

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So Alex yells a bit about the UN, of course, how evil they are and UNESCO.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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They put him in there.

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And he makes a claim that's just absolutely unacceptable.

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And then again, I'll also get into this.

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The fact that all over the world, the UNESCO system of the UN that is the UN, that's global

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governance, United Nations, cultural educational organization that gets all the countries to

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sign on treaties.

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It standardizes the global policies.

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They want pedophilia legalized.

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Pamela is on their steering board as an NGO, North American Manboy Love Association.

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So now you can see the sort of dovetailing of the climate and pedophilia narrative.

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This is just Alex's classic shit where he misrepresent events from 25 years ago as meaning

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anything.

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Briefly, in case anyone hasn't heard the episode where we went over this, in 1993, the International

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Lesbian and Gay Association applied for consultative status with the UN Economic and Social Council.

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In the process, it was found that NAMBLA was a member group within the ILGA, at which point

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the ILGA's full membership voted to expel NAMBLA from their organization, reflecting

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a possible unawareness that they were affiliated with the group to begin with.

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This set off a chain of events where Jesse Helms introduced a bill to make certain that

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no groups associated with the UN had pro-pedophilia views, resulting in section 102 of the Foreign

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Relations Authorization Acts of 1994 and 1995.

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Since that point, it's a matter of withholding all funding to the UN if they're associated

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with the groups that endorse pedophilia.

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UNESCO is one such group that falls under these same requirements, so what Alex is describing

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is literally and legitimately insane.

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I have zero idea what Alex means by saying that NAMBLA's on UNESCO's steering board,

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since different initiatives that UNESCO undertakes usually have different boards to accomplish

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different goals.

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However, UNESCO does keep a very public list of the tons of non-governmental organizations

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that they work with, and what do you know, NAMBLA isn't on that list, because of fucking

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course they're not.

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I don't know if they'd ever take the time to sue him, but this is probably legally slander

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against UNESCO.

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UNESCO?

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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I don't know how that would work or anything, but that's definitely a malicious lie.

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Yeah.

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That he knows is not true.

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Yeah, he has every reason to know that that's not true.

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Absolutely.

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So, I don't know, I think that that's probably dicey.

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That's just, and it's not like we, you know, it would be if they did sue him, it's not

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like he can make a retraction, considering he's said that like 10 million times.

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A lot.

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Yeah.

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Well, in different permutations.

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Yeah.

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Like he says that NAMBLA is a part of every group that he wants to attack internationally.

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Yes, sooner or later.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So also, Jordan, on this episode, Alex interviews Andrew Pollack, whose daughter was one of

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the victims in the Parkland shooting.

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I don't have any clips of this interview because I find the whole thing deeply upsetting.

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I would venture to guess that Pollack doesn't have a good idea of who Alex is and the things

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that he's done, even surrounding the Parkland shooting itself.

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And if he did, I would assume he wouldn't want to associate with this show.

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I find little interest in critiquing the interview of a parent of a victim of a school shooting

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on Alex's show.

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The only thing you're going to find is generally Alex being a dick, and it's not really all

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that worth it.

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Also, I mean, Pollack doesn't seem like he's all that aware of a lot of stuff, and I don't

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want to mock him, even if he has some beliefs that are...

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I can definitely tell you, I could have debunked a number of things.

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I just take no pleasure in that.

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I have no interest in Alex talking to a bereaved...

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No.

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No, fuck that.

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That said, Alex seems to not mention in this interview that Pollack was instrumental in

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helping get Florida Senate Bill 7026 passed.

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That bill made it so some teachers could carry guns at school, which Alex is probably fine

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with.

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However, it also raised the age you can buy a gun from 18 to 21, it banned the sale of

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bump stocks, it had provisions for law enforcement to take your guns if you're deemed a threat,

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it made it so cops could petition courts to take your guns and ammo if they think you're

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a danger, it made it so if you've ever been committed to a mental hospital, you can't

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have guns, and created waiting periods to buy guns.

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This is exactly the sort of bill that Alex screams about all the time, like this is gun-grabbing

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to him.

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And here he is as his guest, someone who is instrumental in getting gun-grabbing passed,

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and yet Alex doesn't seem to know about that or else he thinks it's better for his narratives

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to just ignore it.

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If I had to guess, Alex knows that Pollack called for better safety at schools and tried

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to refocus the debate about not being gun-centric to being safety-centric, and Alex knows he

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can work with that.

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Alex further knows that he's being sued by Sandy Hook parents right now, and the last

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thing he needs is an on-air fight with a Parkland parent about their gun-grabbing legislation.

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It's best for the brand to pretend that he wasn't involved in the bill, and then later

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you can yell about how Sandy Hook parents say that you're this kind of monster, but

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here you are talking to another victim's relative perfectly respectfully.

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It's pretty decent, albeit transparent, as a move for him to make.

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Ultimately, it bores me, and it seems like Alex is just using someone as a prop, but

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that's nothing new.

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Yeah, that has a tossed-up idea on the whiteboard in a production meeting all over it.

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It's optics.

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How do we change the narrative over this whole Sandy Hook thing?

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Oh, I know.

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We have tons more mass shootings.

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Let's talk to somebody involved in those, and we can be like, I believe you.

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This is 100% real, and I've made mistakes in that whole thing.

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Also, Pollack wrote a book, and he's trying to sell that book, so he's on kind of like

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a book media tour, so it makes some sense for him to be on.

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But I don't know.

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Ultimately, I'm not charmed by that, and I don't want to pile on this guy.

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No interest.

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No.

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So Alex, we know in the past, has talked about how the New World Order and the Illuminati

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approached his father, David Jones, dentist to the stars.

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Yes.

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He got approached.

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The literal stars, by the way.

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Beetlejuice.

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Yes.

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Like the whole thing.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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He got approached as a younger man, and they offered him to join up with them to be world

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royalty or whatever.

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And we know that David Jones DDS said, no, thank you.

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He's not a globalist.

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He saw through their bullshit right away.

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He's a genius.

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One of the smartest people in Texas from the age of six.

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Well, the story has changed a little bit.

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Oh, has it?

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Yeah.

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And it's so far gone, there's this whole breakaway civilization, and it's playing God.

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And Trump's the president now, and he damn well knows about all this.

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I mean, I know all about it.

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My dad got invited to join it when he was in high school at UT, planned to, didn't join

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it.

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At least the first time around.

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What?

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But the point is-

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What?

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No, what?

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This is real, folks, okay?

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So wait, wait, wait.

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No, no, no.

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You don't get to drop that in there and then move on.

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So they asked again?

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What?

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And then he did join?

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And then he said yes?

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That's the only thing you can draw a conclusion from.

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What does that mean about you, Alex?

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I don't know.

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Your dad's in the Illuminati?

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This is stupid.

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What did he say?

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And he doesn't clarify that?

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Not a bit.

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Not at all.

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No.

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He just says, the first time.

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Nope.

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That implies...

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Oh my God.

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Now, that's interesting-

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That's gonna kill me.

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Because I don't believe anything he says.

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Of course not.

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I don't care about that.

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But it is funny that he's trying to present it as like, I guess your dad did join globalists?

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Yeah.

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What?

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Is he in there now?

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Now, the most important thing about this is, as we discovered on a 2013 episode, I believe,

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Alex said the name of the person who tried to lure him into this cult, this globalist

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death cult or whatever.

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And that was Dr. Erwin Speer at UT.

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In 2013, him talking about it is outside the statute of limitations.

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But now, because we have the context of him naming who the person is that he's talking

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about, and a day ago, retelling the story, it's reasonable to take one and one, put it

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together, that's two.

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He's retelling the story about, there's every expectation, and every reasonable person would

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know that he's talking about the same event in his father's life, he has just committed

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slander again.

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He has renewed the statute of limitations, Erwin Speer's family could absolutely sue

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him for this.

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I don't know if they'd be successful.

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Unless he's referencing the second, unless Erwin Speer was involved in the second one.

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It really doesn't matter.

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I don't know if they would win, but he is absolutely in jeopardy because of that.

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He has re-brought up this story that he has explained in the past, and from what I understand,

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that does renew.

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Oh.

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That's good.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I'm glad that he re-upped his subscription to getting sued for the rest of his life.

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So just on this episode, we have UNESCO and Dr. Erwin Speer's estate are now possible litigants

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against Alex Jones.

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Oh, why can't we...

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He's sloppy.

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He is not good at this.

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No.

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I'd like Lana Del Rey to sue him, too, for playing our music.

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Just for fun?

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Yeah.

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I know he probably has a contract and everything, but I still think she should sue him.

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So Alex gets around to talking about how the ruling class, they're coming out now, and

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they're saying that they're going to kill everybody.

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And there's an element of this that makes Alex mad at Trump, and you'll see what that

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is.

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And they're so disconnected from us now, the ruling scientific class, that they're now

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telling us, oh, by the way, we're about to get rid of all of you for the earth, and they're

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moving forward with it.

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So I'm just guessing Matt Drudge is a little pissed about that, probably, like I am.

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Because Trump started the right direction, we're going to release the secret medical

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stuff.

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We're going to release the secret technology, new patents and things, to cause a new renaissance.

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But it hasn't happened, and we're bogged down instead.

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And I'm angry.

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I'm upset.

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Because there's a whole other real world out there that humanity built that's been stolen

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from us.

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Are you afraid to go to the mailbox because of letter after letter from the IRS?

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Great transition.

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Uh, yeah, so I guess he's becoming mad at Trump because the miracle cures aren't coming.

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Man, these guys just will not look into Occam's Razor at all.

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This is monorail shit.

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Why is, wait, wait, he promised us all this stuff, he must still be hiding it.

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Or guys, now I'm going to throw this out there.

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He was lying to you.

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This is Alex going through the crisis of falling for a con.

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Yeah.

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He's like, uh, I, mwah.

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Yep.

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It's very sad.

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It is surprising that he would.

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This guy's so stupid.

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It's one of those things where a lot of, what, some of the old con guys used to get away

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with it so much because it was like, it was too embarrassing to reveal that you had given

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somebody $20,000.

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But if you had your own radio show, they're like, man, this dude, I gave him $6 million

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and he didn't deliver on this promise.

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I've staked my career on this person.

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I've changed everything that I've built over decades to suit this based on the con that

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this guy was running, saying we had like, he might as well be like pushing for Randy

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Kramer, the guy for project Camelot who has the magnetic, I was just thinking the exact

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same thing.

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He's like, why hasn't Randy Kramer produced these med beds?

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Because he's too smart.

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Right.

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So I mean, I can understand why Alex has this buyer's remorse and feels like shit, but it's

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just really sad to see.

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He's an adult.

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Like it's really sad.

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It is.

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It is.

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He's a, yeah, but he's a dumb dumb.

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So there's that.

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You bet he is.

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Uh, so this, uh, climate change conversation that Alex has, we've got sidetracked from

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a little bit here, but he gets back to it.

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And the bottom line is that Alex is trying to push the idea that they're just trying

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to scare you all.

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And they admit that they're just trying to scare you.

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All this climate change stuff is all based on fear, which is ironic for Alex to be complaining

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about.

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Quite frankly, I don't understand why, uh, there's similarities between his style and

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what he's accusing other people, which seems to also be a pretty big trend in his work.

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But he, he's really stressing over and over again.

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They admit that they're just trying to scare you, which I think is interesting.

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Um, and this clip, man, there's so much to unpack in here and I'm sure you're going to

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love it.

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First.

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It was the world's going to end in 12 years.

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Then Beto said 11 after, you know, to outdo AOC and then that moved on to seven years

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and this is the talking points.

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And then the woman who's one of the organizers and meds, Oh, we're just scaring people.

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Yeah, honey.

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We know.

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And that's why you target elementary school students and scare the daylight side of them.

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They teach them penguins are dying.

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They teach them that they can't swim.

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It's the, uh, the, the polar bears can't swim.

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They hunt on the ice floes.

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They're not drowning polar bear numbers are five times what they were in the fifties,

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but some middle school girls commit suicide because they're taught the earth is so bad.

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So that's, there's a lot there.

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Um, so when he's saying that the, you know, the lead people saying that, uh, they're just

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trying to scare you, I was trying to figure out what he's talking about because he doesn't

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use any specifics.

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Yeah.

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What I think he is talking about is Obama's former chief of the EPA, Gina McCarthy.

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She recently did an interview with Scientific American.

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And if this is what he's talking about, this is pathetic.

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Even for Alex in the interview, McCarthy has asked about taking a more systemic approach

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to climate issues and how the climate is large.

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The conversation is largely shifted from one where the question is, is this happening to

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a question of what should we do?

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She commends Cory Booker's recent comments about how his cabinet would view all of their

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jobs through the lens of climate, and she goes on to list a few ways this could play

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out in the real world, like the military converting to renewable energy sources.

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She then says, quote, all these things provide opportunities for the entire complexion of

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the discussion to change from I want to scare you into doing something on climate to let's

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be smarter about federal dollars being spent and the way in which people are demanding

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action that's going to be beneficial for their health.

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She's explicitly saying that she wants the I want to scare you mentality to not be how

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the debate is framed.

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If this is what Alex is talking about, Alex and all the right wing that does repeat this

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bullshit are completely 100 percent without a doubt intentionally and consciously taking

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McCarthy's statements out of context.

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The only other possibility is that they didn't even read one sentence of her words and decided

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to attack her anyway.

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This is some shameful shit right here.

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But that's only if this is what he's talking about.

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And I have every reason to assume it is because this interview came out like a day before

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this episode.

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Like it's fresh news.

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Now, this is all made up.

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You think so?

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No, no.

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I mean, no.

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The whole that whole like there this is they're just trying to scare you thing that I guarantee

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that this is all made up because it's coming from every single guest on your Fox News show.

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It's not coming from the talking of their it's not coming from the anchors or anything

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like that.

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They're specifically staying out of it and allowing every guest to come on and say they're

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just coming out here to to make people afraid.

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Right.

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Because they know it's not substantiated by anything.

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And if the news organization were to actually say they are coming out here to to make people

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afraid, they would have to then back it up with literally anything.

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And they have none.

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That is a good point.

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And actually, I do know what happened here.

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What happened?

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And well, we'll get to it later.

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But I honestly thought that this is what he was talking about, but the reality is far

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stupider.

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OK.

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And it wasn't to think that it was Gina McCarthy's comments because she does say the I want to

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scare you.

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And if you took that out of context, you could say that that's what she was saying.

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Yeah.

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And it was just the day before.

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It makes total sense.

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No, it does.

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But because Alex is so non-specific about it, like it makes sense that this is what

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he's pointing to.

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It's so much more disappointing.

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You're close to right.

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It's actually even worse than that.

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OK.

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All right.

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But before we get to all that and the realities therein, I want to talk a little bit about

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this polar bear stuff.

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Alex constantly makes a grave error in his attacks on the narratives that conservationists

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have about polar bear populations.

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Their arguments aren't necessarily that polar bears are all dying off now.

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It's that in the future, they're a species that's in serious danger.

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Polar bears have fluctuated in their endangered status since the 1970s from a species of least

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concern earlier on to 2005 when they were upgraded to vulnerable.

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It's not in dispute that many of the polar bear populations have stabilized in the last

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decades or so, a little while back.

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But that is very clearly known that it's because of protections that were put in place by conservation

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groups by outlawing hunting polar bears or introducing negative environmental pressures

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into their habitats.

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The stabilization of polar bear populations is largely thanks to the 1973 international

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agreement on the conservation of polar bears, which I think Alex would call world government

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or some shit.

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Yeah, I always love whenever they take credit, they're like, oh, we don't need to worry about

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the polar bears.

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See, they've gotten better over the years.

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Why do they get better?

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Why do they get better?

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Uh, you know, polar bears are great.

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International law.

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No, they don't.

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No, no.

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Well, yeah, but that was back then when we needed it.

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Now we don't.

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Cool.

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Another factor to consider is in that period, we also put in place a lot of restrictions

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on commercial seal hunting.

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So the food source for these bears dramatically increased.

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In the same time period that it was becoming illegal to hunt them, thus there were more

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bears not being killed who had a more stable food supply, giving them the best opportunity

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to replenish their populations.

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Polar bear populations have recovered somewhat and stabilized, and this has been taken up

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by all manner of right wing climate denial pundits.

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They all use the conception that climate change must be a hoax because as the climate's warming,

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the polar bear population has drastically increased.

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A lot of this goes back to a 2007 book by Bjorn Lomborg called Cool It, the Skeptical

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Environmentalist's Guide to Global Warming.

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Oh, I know Bjorn Lomborg quite well.

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Yeah.

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You guys go way back?

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Yeah.

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No, that was a reminder.

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Yeah, yeah, I remember.

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Yeah, yeah, we talked about that.

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I knew the name rang a bell.

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He's a brilliant scientist.

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Wait, well, let me pull that back.

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He's a political scientist.

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Okay.

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He is not a...

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Yeah.

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Lomborg says that there were about 5,000 polar bears in the 1960s, and his citation for that

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was an article in the LA Times by a guy named Clifford Krauss.

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The Journal of the Society of Environmental Journalists looked into this back in 2008

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in a piece by Peter Dykstra, and they found that Krauss didn't even have a solid source

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for that statistic and told Dykstra that, quote, he understood the number to be widely

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accepted.

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The only other citation given by Lomborg was a report by the Soviet Ministry of Agriculture

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in 1965 that guessed there were between 5,000 and 8,000 polar bears in the Arctic.

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Most scientists who talked to Dykstra were quick to point out that our ability to accurately

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gauge the population of polar bears was really bad until at least the 70s, and numbers before

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that point are really unreliable estimates.

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One big problem is that polar bears live in really remote areas, and they're very hard

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to count from above since they're white and so is the entire Arctic.

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I don't understand why.

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That would be difficult.

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It's difficult.

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They have some sort of camouflage or something.

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So until technologies that developed later, it was a really imprecise game that people

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were doing.

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Yeah, you know that whole, guess the number of marbles in this jar.

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You know that game?

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Well, imagine if you just threw those marbles into the ocean and then were like, now guess

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how many marbles used to be in the jar.

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It would be a challenge, and make sure it's a remote part of the ocean.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So people who study the issue say that the populations have recovered and they're higher

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than they were 40, 50 years ago, but not nearly the jump that climate deniers constantly peddle.

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And they're also quick to point out that the issue of their recovery has nothing to do

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with climate change.

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It's all about the international restrictions on hunting and the food supplies replenishing

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because of international law.

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It is them claiming victory for something that they fought tooth and nail to keep from

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going into effect and now using as a propaganda tool to fight tooth and nail to make sure

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that it goes backwards.

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Absolutely.

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It's the same thing.

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It makes you want to rip your hair out.

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The problem is that polar bears do rely on ice, as Alex has accurately pointed out.

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And projections currently look like by about 2040, many of their habitats will not be hospitable

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to their current mode of living.

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And that likely approximately 30% of the remaining polar bears will die off because of it, which

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will lead to a big bottleneck.

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The discussion of polar bears is one that surrounds negative outcomes that we are yet

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to experience, not a description of things that are happening now.

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This is really just peddling thoroughly misleading bullshit here.

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He's created a straw man of the argument that people are making in order to attack it.

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In a climate debate?

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Come on.

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Now, the last part of that clip is interesting because he says that people are committing

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suicide because of climate change.

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And I have no idea what specific case Alex is talking about.

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He's saying that a young middle schooler killed herself because of climate change.

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I'm not saying that didn't happen.

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I believe it's possible that it did.

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I looked and I couldn't find the story that he's talking about.

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I don't want to say this never happened on the off chance that it has, and I just couldn't

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figure it out and find the specific story.

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Alex gives no information about it outside of a middle school person, suicide, climate

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change, and I don't know.

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Yeah, I don't know if there's a specific, but the right wing talking point is about

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how there's an increase in kids going to, okay, okay.

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But I can find one specific person who did commit suicide because of climate change.

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This was the case of 60-year-old lawyer David Buckle, who made the choice to self-immolate

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or set himself on fire.

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Prior to his act, he emailed media outlets saying, quote, most humans on the planet now

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breathe air made unhealthy by fossil fuels, and many die early deaths as a result.

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My early death by fossil fuel reflects what we are doing to ourselves.

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He left a note for first responders saying, quote, I'm David Buckle, and I just killed

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myself by fire as a protest suicide.

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I apologize to you for the mess.

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David Buckle was the lead attorney in the case brought by Brandon Tina's mother against

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the sheriff's department, who told Tina's eventual murderers about how Tina had accused

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them of rape, which almost certainly led to his murder.

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Buckle was a civil rights lawyer well ahead of the curve and ahead of the game, and his

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protest suicide was absolutely not the result of him being scared.

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A 2019 study published by Nature Climate Change Journal did indicate a connection between

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climate change and suicide.

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But unless you read about it, you might be inclined to draw the wrong conclusions.

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Marshall Burke was the lead researcher, and he found that there was a link between increased

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temperatures and suicide rates.

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So the conclusion was that if consistent temperatures are higher, then you would expect to see increased

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suicide rates.

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It's easy to take a poorly written headline about this study and come away with the wrong

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idea that this is a study linking climate change and suicide.

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If you don't read the articles, you might assume that climate change fears are linked

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to suicide by this study, and that's just not the case.

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Other studies have found that crop damage caused by temperature increases is associated

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with elevated suicide rates in India.

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So there are definite things to be worried about on this axis.

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That said, I don't know what case Alex is referring to, and I don't think whatever he's

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talking about is a large phenomenon that's going on.

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I think there's other conversations that people are having, and other instances of things

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that Alex is clearly...

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Well, there's that famous saying that we always say, which is that correlation equals causation.

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We always say that, right?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I think that's how it's supposed to go.

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As far as I know, the right-wing talking point is based on a...

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I don't know if it's a survey of psychiatrists and therapists and the like, but a large number

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of people under the age of 25 are now speaking to their psychiatrists and therapists about

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climate fear as something that stresses them out a lot.

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So it makes sense for them, of course, to take the leap from talking to your therapist

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about how there's a lot of fear about what the future is gonna hold to...

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That makes total sense.

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To like, they're killing themselves all over the place.

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Everybody's dying.

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Makes total sense.

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Yeah.

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If you were to do...

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My experience probably isn't in therapy, but if they were, you'd probably hear them talking

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to their therapists a lot about the globalist's plans.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, the fears that Alex has introduced into their lives.

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Right.

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Right.

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I don't think that...

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I don't know.

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He's just a big old hypocrite.

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Except the therapist wouldn't be like, no, that's a legitimate fear.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I just think that there's a lot of bullshit going on.

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That last clip was 36 seconds, and there's just a load of bullshit in it.

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Like it's really, it's pretty crazy.

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When you see these things, these like really direct misrepresentations being passed off,

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it makes this next clip even more offensive.

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Oh no.

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And I think that this clip is really just like, I don't know how to describe it other

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than like, this show is a parody of itself.

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You know, like, you know when people would try and make fun of the Juggalos?

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Yeah.

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It's like, you can't.

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Yeah.

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You can't make fun of that.

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Yeah.

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They embrace it.

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Yeah.

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You can't do it.

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I almost feel like I can't make fun of this clip.

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It's a parody of itself.

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I don't know what else to say.

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It's ridiculous.

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Please don't forget that I like to do things a little bit different.

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We are bringing Black Friday two months early, and it's going to be a week long store-wide

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free shipping, double Patriot points, and 50% off all preparedness, water filters, air

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filters, sworable food.

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You're not going to find better deals on this.

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Okay.

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Look at that.

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That's the same deal he constantly has.

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Free shipping, double Patriot points, 50% off all this shit.

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That's constantly the sale.

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He's having Black Friday two months early.

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You can't make fun of that.

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We talk about the Easter sale still going.

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I got nothing for two months early on Black Friday.

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That's just beyond.

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Yeah.

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He won.

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You know what?

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He won.

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He beat me.

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Okay.

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That's fine.

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I'm willing to accept defeat when you both complain about Christmas coming sooner and

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being commercialized while at the same time being like, our Black Friday sale is two months

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early and it's the same sale.

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You win.

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Yeah.

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You win.

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Yeah.

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I got no jokes.

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It's almost like he's in on the joke and leaning into it of how crass and offensive his commercialism

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is.

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Yeah.

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What do you do?

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How do you make fun of that?

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I don't know, but if he shows up tomorrow in Juggalo makeup, then we know he's fucking

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this.

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Hey guys.

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Woop woop to my homies out there.

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You know what?

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They're teaching six-year-olds about Nedding.

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I don't have many Juggalo references.

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Oh man.

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Magnets.

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Magnets.

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They're putting fluoride in the Faygo.

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Delicious, delicious fluoride Faygo.

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So at this point, Alex has Savannah Hernandez on the show to talk about climate change.

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She is an employee of Infowars who went out to the climate protests in Austin and captured

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some footage that they're going to go over.

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And I have some very important thoughts about that.

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They're not important at all.

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I do have one thought and that is that I think Savannah Hernandez is unfortunately very similar

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to everyone else who works at Infowars, possibly kind of stupid because she's talking about

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like how she was afraid of climate change when she was younger.

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And now listen to the example that she uses to describe what she was afraid of.

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And I was even talking to Owen and I was telling him that when I was younger, I was terrified

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of climate change, of the fact that we were all going to drown to death because I think

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you all remember in 2012, the world was supposed to end, they even came out with movies about

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it.

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So I was terrified that we were all going to drown to death.

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And now that's being shown with our kids here today.

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They're all marching out of school.

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They are so afraid that we're going to burn to death.

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We're going to drown to death.

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2012 was not necessarily about climate change as much as it was about the Mayan apocalypse.

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All the scientists coming out and saying, guys, we got to prepare.

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We're all going to drown in 2012.

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I think she might be talking about The Day After Tomorrow, that like disaster movie.

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Yeah, that was in, that was what, 2004s of the movie?

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I don't remember when that was, but she could be talking about that.

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Or she could be talking about the movie 2012.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, the cultural fears about 2012 weren't driven by, let's say, climate scientists

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as much as they were people like Eric von Daniken, dumb dumbs, ancient aliens people,

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Alex Jones.

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Now, to be fair, he wasn't there on that tip.

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That is a great, that is a very good distillation of what it takes to be a good InfoWars employee.

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Be afraid of something and then find a movie and then call the movie fake.

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And now you don't have to be afraid of anything.

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Yeah.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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And just have like, oh yeah, you know what?

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If you're listening to her and not really paying attention or know all that much, you'd

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be like, oh yeah, we were afraid back then.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That is true.

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No.

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You know what?

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And we didn't all die in Y2K, so obviously climate change is a hoax.

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I got fine.

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Can't use that one.

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Fine.

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Whatever.

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Can't use that one.

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Oh, we do have to use it.

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Alex was on board with that one.

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So you don't want to bring that up on the show.

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So they go over like a list of times scientists have been wrong about predictions and I don't

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really give a fuck because some of them are actually like, I don't know, that one might've

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been right.

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And some of the scientists predict super hurricanes like, yeah, I don't know why you're including

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that on the list.

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I would take that one off.

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Yeah.

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The guy you think is so great didn't even know there was a category five on the third

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category five of this year.

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And he had mentioned the other ones as being category five.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So I don't care too much about that, but it's all in service of building up this idea that

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everyone who talks about climate change lies to you about it.

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So Savannah uses a specific example that I think actually is a little unfair for her.

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And National Geographic actually had to come out and admit, they took a picture of this

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starving polar bear.

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They said it was because of climate change and then they had to come out and admit actually

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that the polar bear wasn't dying because of climate change.

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That was actually fake.

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So what does that even mean?

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She's kind of misrepresenting things here a little bit.

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For one, she's saying that National Geographic took the picture and stuff and that's not

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true.

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So what happened here was that a photographer named Christina Mittermeier and her team found

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a polar bear that was at the point of starvation and captured footage of it.

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Their intention in the expedition was explicit.

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As Mittermeier explained, quote, photographer Paul Nickolin and I were on a mission to capture

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images that communicate the urgency of climate change.

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Documenting its effects on wildlife hasn't been easy.

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With this image, we thought we'd found a way to help people imagine what the future of

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climate change might look like.

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Neither she nor Nick ever explicitly tied the bear's condition to climate change.

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That was done by National Geographic when they picked up the footage and attached the

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words quote, this is what climate change looks like to the video.

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Mittermeier responded to the backlash that the video caused from climate denialists by

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agreeing that the caption was probably going a little too far.

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And even National Geographic has said as much in a slight retraction.

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But that's far from saying that they are just making stuff up.

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It was only a recognition that they couldn't prove that climate change had anything to

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do with this specific bear's starvation, which was never a claim being made by the photographer

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and the team.

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But you know what?

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That's kind of missing the point.

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In Mittermeier's explanation post about this, she says, quote, I can't say that this bear

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was starving because of climate change, but I do know that polar bears rely on a platform

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of sea ice on which to hunt.

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A fast warming Arctic means that sea ice is disappearing for increasingly longer periods

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of time each year.

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That means many more bears will get stranded on land where they can't pursue the seals,

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walruses and whales that are their prey and where they will slowly starve to death.

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The caption implied more than anyone knew about this specific bear, but the specific

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bear was an evocative, realistic portrait of what the future holds for polar bears if

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action isn't taken.

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If anything, this was an instance of sloppy editorial work, but absolutely not a gotcha

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moment that proves that all climate change activists and conservationists are just making

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shit up to scare kids or whatever.

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Yeah, that that that's just indicative of why we lose that.

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That whole thing of like, look, you're misunderstanding everything and you're making a bad faith argument

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towards us.

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But maybe you have the thinnest, barest sliver of a point.

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So we're just going to come out and we're because we don't want to do it.

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We just don't want to fight this bullshit.

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Fine.

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We can't prove that one polar bear is dying of climate change.

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Yeah.

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And I'm never going to stop saying this.

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What they should have said was, go fuck yourselves.

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Right.

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That's what that's what you should say to any climate denialist I ever I always I see

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your side of it.

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I also see the side of National Geographic erring on the side of like, well, I let's

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let's retain our our standards now.

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And I totally understand that.

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I it's not that I don't understand where they're coming from.

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It's absolutely not that.

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And it's not even that I'd necessarily disagree with the editorial position in many aspects.

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But with this kind of bullshit, that's why we lose the messaging fight over and over

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and over and over again.

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Right.

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We are not going to do anything about climate change because of a bunch of shit.

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But again, we talk about this all the time and you and I have a slight disagreement,

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but it's actually you agree with me, but you emotionally can't handle it.

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And that is that people like National Geographic need to uphold these standards.

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And we need equally not equally large because it shouldn't be as large as, let's say, National

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Geographic.

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But you need forces making that go fuck yourself point that aren't the National Geographic.

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Right.

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Right.

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We need them to maintain their integrity while other voices in media and, you know, people

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like you can say those things.

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And that can be a messaging.

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Yeah.

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Tentacle.

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Yeah.

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The National Geographic can play by editorial standards.

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Yes.

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Having both is crucial.

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Yeah.

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And they have both and we don't.

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Or actually, they have the go fuck yourself wing and we just have the editorial standards

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wing.

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Well, that's why we need...

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We need a boost our go fuck yourselves wing as well.

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Wow.

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That's your mission.

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So earlier I thought...

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It kind of is my mission.

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Yeah.

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I wasn't saying that sarcastically.

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Yeah, I know.

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So I was saying earlier that I thought that Alex was basing the they've admitted that

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they're just trying to scare you on the comments made by Obama's former head of the EPA, Gina

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McCarthy, saying that that could easily be taken out of context.

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Seemed like Alex's MO seemed perfect.

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Had all of the pieces in place.

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But you know what?

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I was giving him way too fucking much credit.

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All right.

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This is one of the first instances of me being like, aha, I bet this is what Alex is talking

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about.

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That later in the show, he reveals what he's talking about and like, I can't believe I

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thought he read an article.

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I can't believe it.

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Because you know what?

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It's just a random person in Savannah Hernandez's report.

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There it goes.

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I know Beto O'Rourke came forward, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, they said we had about 10 to

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12 years to fix things before.

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I'm not sure if like, either we all die or if it's irreversible.

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What do you guys think about all of those comments?

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I think it's like that amount of time till it's irreversible.

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But once it's irreversible, like, we're kind of done for there's nothing else we can do.

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It's kind of scare tactics sometimes, but you kind of have to scare people to jumpstart

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them to do anything about it because, like she said, there is data to back it up about

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the way things are headed.

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This is what he's basing it on.

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Just random people that Savannah Hernandez interviewed at the climate change rally.

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That's so sad.

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I thought he was talking about the former head of the EPA and lying about her.

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It's just random man on the street shit.

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And he's presenting it as the leaders are admitting it's just about fear.

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This is such a pathetic, this is like, this is a fucking, I don't even know how to describe

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how flimsy this shit is.

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I have watched so many goddamn man on the street interviews from the right wing on the

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climate march.

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What boggles my mind is literally every answer they get is actually very reasonable and intelligent.

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And they're like, look at these dumb dumbs.

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They don't even bother with, with engaging with it at all.

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They're just like, look at how stupid this person is after they're like, well, it is,

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I understand that you don't understand that it's a irreversible after 10 or 12 years,

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but that is the data on it.

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And sure it is scare tactics, but you know what?

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You need to scare people sometimes to get, to force them into action.

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I mean, that is, that's something that everybody knows.

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And look at those, look at those idiots over there, a bunch of kids at the climate march.

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Anyways, these people are liars.

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Anyway, the globalists are trying to kill you by putting things in your water and all

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you can say to yourself, yep, exactly great.

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Good work, dude.

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So I was also curious though, when I was listening to this report that she filed, I was thinking

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like, why is she getting straight answers?

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You know, like, yeah, she's an info Wars reporter going out to a climate change rally.

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She doesn't have info Wars branded stuff.

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Does she?

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Well, we heard a lot of facts and statistics today and well, we're going to die.

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This has been Savannah Hernandez with action seven news.

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These people are a death cult.

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She's with action seven news.

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She's with action seven news, what?

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This is such manipulative shit.

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Alex knows that when his reporters go out to places they'll rightly get yelled at, flipped

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off and mocked.

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Like he knows that that's absolutely what's always going to happen to them.

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And he knows that he can't create effective propaganda with that.

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Don't get me wrong.

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That still serves a purpose.

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He knows that when he sends Caitlin Bennett out, for instance, people are going to yell

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gun girl at her and tell her to fuck off.

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That's why most of her field pieces are about how evil and mean the left is.

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She's just this nice girl trying to go out and ask people questions and they all just

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yell gun girl at me.

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She's a lightning rod for that kind of a response because most people know who she is and they

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have no interest in doing much more than laughing at her.

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And the best way to monetize that reaction is selling victimhood narratives.

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But you can't just do that about everything.

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Like with the climate protest, it's a little off target to just paint the protesters as

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a rabble rousing crowd of rude people.

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That dog doesn't really hunt.

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On account of their children.

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Well, that's part of it.

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If your coverage is just constantly portraying everyone else as rude, you kind of run the

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risk of the audience eventually catching on and realizing that maybe that's just how the

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public responds to you.

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So you use that selectively.

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And like Owen can't really do much in public anymore.

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He sort of crossed that recognizability threshold.

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So people don't really respond well to him.

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Like children tell him to fuck off when he goes out with an Infowars mic.

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Hilarious.

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The perfect solution is a new woman reporter who no one recognizes pretending she doesn't

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work for Infowars.

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No one has any idea who Savannah Hernandez is.

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And Action 7 News sounds so bland as to be probably real.

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And thus she's able to ask people questions and record their answers under false pretenses.

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Most of the people would not talk to her if they knew that she worked at Infowars.

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And both she and Alex are fully aware of it.

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What they're doing is like a hidden prank show but with no reveal and no point.

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Can they do that?

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Well, it's interesting you ask.

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Okay, there we go.

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According to the ethics section of journalists.org, quote, for the news to have credibility, we

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must be ethical in our news gathering.

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They go on to say, quote, most news organizations agree that journalists generally should identify

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themselves and their news organization in the course of a routine news gathering.

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It is not appropriate to mislead or deceive someone you're interviewing or to use subterfuge

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to obtain news.

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The general exception to this guideline is when someone is doing investigative reporting

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and they're undercover.

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But generally speaking, the guidelines on that are really based on like, is it appropriate?

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Is the news that you're gathering so crucial for the public to know about that it justifies

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going undercover?

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Is it you can only get this by going undercover?

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Is there a safety issue?

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I don't think the meatpacking industry was going to tell Upton Sinclair everything on

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the on the up on the up and up, if probably not on the Upton and Upton, if you will.

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I won't.

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But if this is how Alex wants to play it, I guess that's it says something deeply pathetic

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about the state of things that info wars.

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They are so not credible, so disliked, so universally mocked that in order to get a

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straight answer out of a random person at a public protest, they have to conceal their

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identities.

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That is amazing.

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That is bad.

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That's not good.

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That is bad.

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Oh, man, that's that's Alex happened to wear a hat, sunglasses and fucking Charlie Chaplin

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mask in order to go out and eat in order to get bad.

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Just like a normal interview going after resort to, like you said, Upton Sinclair levels of

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deception.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, I mean, that's unseemly.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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It's not good.

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All of it's kind of moot, though, because we know info wars isn't a journalism outlet,

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so they're not really held to the same standards of ethics that a real news operation would

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be.

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If you were subjected to that kind of scrutiny, all this shit they do would be so laughably

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disqualifying, pretending you work somewhere else to go do man on the street interviews.

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The fuck out of here.

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That is...

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God, that's so sad.

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The response that you get is not organic.

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You are...

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That's so sad.

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Every question that you're asking, the response is deceptive because you're using deception

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to ask the question.

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Right.

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So by default, all of this stuff you have to view as like, well, throw it out, even

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though these answers that the people give are innocuous and fine answers to questions,

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it's still like you're lying to retrieve that information.

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That's interesting because it's almost the inverse, I would say.

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Like if you were coming at me with an info wars microphone, I would never give you a

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genuine answer.

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So in this sense, the only way that they can get it, the only honest answer is going to

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come from deceit.

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And if they're honest, they're only going to get deceit in response.

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Well, what you have to do...

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They've created an alternate reality of journalism.

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Well, definitely.

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What you have to do is be deceptive when gathering the information in these interviews and then

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be further deceptive in how you present the responses that you get.

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So it's...

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I don't know.

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I mean, if we're at the point where for info wars to actually get an answer from someone,

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they have to go full undercover journalist.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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That doesn't bode well.

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Man, that is...

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Because eventually people are going to know who Savannah Hernandez is and that he's going

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to need a new employee.

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Everyone's disposable once they are recognizable.

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That is really interesting.

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They have gone through the...

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The Abyss no longer looks back at them.

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They're like hanging out with the Abyss, chilling like, hey, wait until somebody else comes

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over here and looks at us and then we'll bring them in.

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And you know what the essential problem with this too is?

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It's self destroying.

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Yeah.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Savannah Hernandez makes some amazing piece that goes viral that ruins her usability in

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any other video.

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People start to know who she is like, Owen Schroyer can't really do those man on the

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street bits because everyone reposted the video of the chick, the kid telling him to

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fuck off.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's going to ruin his ability to go out without anyone to be like, ah, info wars.

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Hey, fuck off.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Caitlin Bennett came in with that reputation.

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She was already that person from Talking Points USA, Turning Point USA, and the Gun Girl shit.

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She already had that reputation.

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So anybody that he has has to stay obscure.

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There is a ceiling to the amount of attention they can get, which is self-defeating.

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It's a sad state of affairs.

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It would be interesting.

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Getting popular blows their cover.

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It's like they're doing one of those interviews with somebody who doesn't want to be identified

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so they're in all black and they've got their voice modulated.

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But the interviewer is the one who's in all black with a voice modulated and they're talking

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to the normal person.

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It does not look good for the future.

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So Alex does his whole thing about this climate stuff and it's very uncompelling and I think

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we've hit a lot of the main points.

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But Alex in the middle of it, I'm sorry, at this point, this is past that, he's brought

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on Joel Skousen.

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Sure.

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Get the Skousen there.

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Yeah, which is interesting because he's someone who doesn't like Trump that much and he's

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someone who has waned in his influence on Alex in the days since Alex went to Trump.

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Like he used to be far more of an expert.

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And him coming around does seem to indicate to me a sense that Alex is more willing to

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criticize Trump.

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More willing to go towards Skousen than Skousen coming towards Alex.

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Skousen is not moving on anything.

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Like he is a rock.

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He is an ideologue.

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He is someone who is very dead set in his ways and should be.

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I mean, he has his own business.

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He has the world affairs brief or whatever.

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He's comfortable.

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He doesn't need Alex.

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And the fact that Alex is bringing him around, I heard him on an episode a couple of weeks

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back too, and he had been gone for a bit.

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Yeah, I can't remember the last time we talked about him present day.

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He pops up periodically, but it's a long time in between.

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Whereas before, he was a pretty regular guest.

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It does indicate to me a slight wavering on Alex's part about Trump.

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But when he brings in Skousen, he wants to talk about geopolitics, what have you.

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All of his views are stupid.

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Whatever you want, whatever event you're thinking of.

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He's got a dumb take on it.

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False flag.

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Everything is a false flag.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Every goddamn thing.

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He's Skousen, Skousen.

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He's got to have an angle.

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In its uniform.

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False flag.

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Gotcha.

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Everything.

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Who cares?

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Cool.

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Alex wants to impress him, though.

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And so he plays video at the beginning of this interview.

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Is it Lana Del Rey?

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It is not.

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Oh.

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Although that would impress me.

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That would.

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We're seeing Chinese style censorship come here to America.

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But first, let's let's hear from this little piece that triggers leftist here it is.

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So that's the introduction for the video.

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And you can tell already it's probably going to be him doing his Asian impression again.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, no.

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Alex made a second.

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He made a second video?

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He made a second video where he's just doing that Asian voice.

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So here's a little piece of it.

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Let's get triggered, Dan.

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All it is also like you'll hear in this, like you'll see what he's this is just amazing

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stuff.

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Whatever you do, do not visit Band.video.

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Band.video is evil Americans whom Silicon Valley is teaching to shut up like China do.

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He just did he did a second video like this, and it's just a commercial for his Band.video

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site.

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That's that's just sad.

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That is sad.

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That is very sad.

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That is sad.

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I mean, I'm wow.

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I have not felt true sympathy towards Alex in, I don't know, two and a half years.

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I still don't.

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I mean, but that is just the closest I can get is just like watching like, look, he's

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a monster.

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But if I was walking by him and he was in a goddamn gutter, like soot all over his fucking

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face, you know, a chimney sweep from Mary Poppins.

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OK, if he's doing that, I'm I'm like, Alex, I really hope you don't.

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You die sooner rather than later.

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But this sucks, man.

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I'm sorry.

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If you're a family member and Alex does his second weird Asian voice.

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Oh, you kick him out.

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You kick him out.

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You do an intervention.

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Yeah.

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This is sad.

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This is this is a pathetic attempt to get attention.

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Like you can even see in the like the intro is like this triggers the libs.

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Yep.

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I've not heard anybody talk about this other than us.

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And we were not triggered as much as we were mocking how sad of a desperate attempt at

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attention this is.

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Yeah.

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This is a desperate attempt to trigger people in order to get them to repost it and talk

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about how bad you are in order to get free publicity.

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Yep.

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Like we're not triggered by this.

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We think you're fucking stupid.

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Yeah.

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It's it's a little too it's too transparent.

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Yeah.

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Too transparent.

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A little.

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And the fact that you make a second one that is just promoting your stupid video website.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you introduce it as this triggers the libs.

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You couldn't be more clear what you're trying to do.

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And he's so proud of himself.

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That's what makes it the the that's the cherry on top.

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Because he's like, look at what I did that triggers all these leftists.

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And meanwhile, dude, go home.

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Yeah.

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Go to bed.

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Yeah.

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So Alex wants Skousen's response to the video.

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And is it stop it?

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Stop it quick.

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Well, I well, I do say that he's an ideologue and he's not going over to Alex's side.

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Skousen is still polite.

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Okay.

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Joel Skousen is always so serious.

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That means he wasn't laughing.

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No, he was not.

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Hey, Joel.

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What do you think of that?

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Brilliant.

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I'm glad to see you come up with band on video.

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There's got to be some alternative to YouTube that allows the truth to come out without

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being censored.

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Well, you're welcome to have a dial in and a channel on it.

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We're going to expand it to folks that do great work like you do to be providers.

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And so anything goes as long as we know the folks are good and have a great history.

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We will be the gatekeepers of who can have any posting abilities on this total free speech

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site.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It sure seems like that means that you can kick people off if you want to.

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Yeah.

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You can preemptively kick people off by not allowing them on.

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That seems strange.

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It seems like you have far more censorship than YouTube.

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What if like Brian Stelter wants a channel?

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No, we don't have Brian Stelter on here.

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You're going to give Brian Stelter a channel on band on video?

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This isn't for you.

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We need a safe space, Dan.

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It's obvious.

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It's triggered by his content.

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It's obviously not for banned people because Paul Joseph Watson is still on YouTube and

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he has a fucking channel on there.

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Such ridiculous bullshit.

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But the presentation of it is such a scam.

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This is all about promoting InfoWars, his own content and his guests' content, I guess.

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Skousen's not going to have a channel on there.

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I highly doubt it.

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But it's about that.

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It's about funneling people to InfoWars.

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And anybody who's not on that tip, there's no reason for him to give them a channel unless

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there's someone huge.

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Like Sargon of Qod.

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Like we mentioned, he has a big fan base.

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If he wanted a channel on there, Alex would probably allow that because it gives him more

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traffic to his thing.

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But there's still no real way for him to monetize it.

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This just is stupid.

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Even for what it aspires to be, I don't see the path that works and it's not what it aspires

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to be.

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It is, it is, it has all the hallmarks of a half-assed idea.

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It has every hallmark of people like, well, we got to do something.

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We just got to do something because everything that we've been doing isn't working.

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So let's, let's try this.

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Let's throw this out there.

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Let's throw this out there.

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You don't have an infrastructure in place.

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You don't have any providers other than the people who work for you.

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You've got nothing.

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Yeah.

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But it's, it's responding to something that people want.

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Like you hear in all these really messed up places of the internet, you hear people say

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like, we need an alternative to YouTube.

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And so Alex thinks or acts like he's filling that need.

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But what he's actually doing is quite different.

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It's gatekeeping, it's creating his own space.

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And yeah, I mean, like no one who are in those, let's say crypto-fascist, neo-Nazi adjacent

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white nationalist-type worlds, those people who had those channels that maybe got demonetized

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or kicked off YouTube, they're not going to want to come on Alex's thing.

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Right.

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Well, I mean the only, and if you wanted to make the thing itself a success, then you

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would have to have, before you even launched it, you would have had to have a bunch of

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people already created.

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Totally.

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Spotify didn't launch with the bans that, of the people who worked for Spotify.

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Right.

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And that was it.

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Three bans.

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And then a few months later, a few more came on.

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It's like, you have to have a catalog when you launch, otherwise it's going to disappear

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and nobody's going to come back.

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So either this is a completely half-assed idea or they don't even really expect it to

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succeed.

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Could be both.

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Yeah, it could be both.

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So we got three clips left, because the rest of the episode is him talking to Skousen about

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how everything's a false flag.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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I don't care too much about that.

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But it is.

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Skousen says three things that I think are particularly absurd, and they will be our

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countdown of the episode.

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In no particular order, just in chronological, in the interview order.

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Here's the first one.

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These people are crazy.

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Well, they've been propagandized.

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They just don't have any basis of knowledge for this stuff that they're saying.

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They're pro-socialist because they don't understand the concept of hidden victims.

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Socialism always have hidden victim, regulations always have hidden victims.

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Well, yeah, where's all the free money going to come from people that don't want to work?

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Yeah.

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Capitalism.

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Notorious.

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Zero hidden victims, Dan.

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No hidden victims.

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No hidden victims at all, Dan.

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That's not to say that either system is entirely right or without problems, but if that is

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one of your marquee criticisms of people who push for socialist leaning policies, you're

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an idiot.

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Absolutely.

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So if you're pretending that hidden victims are your problem, then you should also have

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a robust critique of capitalism.

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The only thing that-

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If that is the problem, it's not unique to this.

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It's not unique to socialism.

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Well, I mean, obviously his problem is that he thinks in socialism he's going to be one

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of the hidden victims, whereas right now in capitalism, he seems to be doing just fine.

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That might be a more accurate way to read his comments.

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But that said, even if you don't want to apply that assumed motivation to him, he's still

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making an incredibly flimsy argument.

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Oh, it's not a flimsy argument.

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It is a non-argument.

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It is stupid.

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Who are you?

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Molyneux?

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Yay.

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There we go.

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You know, he responds to everybody, not an argument.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Oh, God.

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What a fucking dick.

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God, I hate him so much.

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He's the worst.

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So here's Skousen making a prediction coming in at the number two spot.

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But the big problem comes in World War Three when we're going to absorb a nuclear first

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strike, our military is going to be decapitated and our leaders are going to come out of their

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bunkers and say, oh, we didn't know this was happening.

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But the only way we can defend ourselves now is to join in a militarized global government

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with taxing power and all the things that Britain doesn't want out of the EU.

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Just like World War One and World War Two were engineered to bring in the League of

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Nations and UN.

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That is their plan.

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So we're going to absorb a first strike, nuclear first strike, all the globalists will be in

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bunkers or redoubts, and then they'll emerge and create a one world government.

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Oh, boy.

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Great.

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And World War One and World War Two were just false flags.

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I did not expect that to follow up.

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Everything is a false flag.

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Everything is a false flag to get to a world government.

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Nothing has ever actually happened.

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You know what I find fascinating?

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That nothing has ever happened?

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Is that nobody is talking about how the only way the human race survives is if we absorb

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a first strike.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, if we actually just accept a first strike instead of creating that chain reaction of

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nuclear...

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You need to be super clear about this.

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You're not saying that the only way the world survives is if we get nuked.

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You're saying...

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No, no, no, no.

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In a nuclear...

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We're there to be.

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Yes, exactly.

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A nuclear exchange, not responding is the only way to save the world.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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I think that...

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I don't know if I 100% agree with you, but I'm inclined to agree with that hypothetical.

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Because it's one place being nuked versus...

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Everybody.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Once the chain reaction starts, it's all...

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The only way would be if somebody is like, guys, we're not going to respond.

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The ideal state of affairs is everyone dismantling their nuclear weapons and all those sorts

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of weapons.

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But failing that, if someone nukes somebody, them not responding with equal measure is

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a preferable outcome.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Even though the nuclear strike would be devastating and one of the worst things that could ever

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happen.

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Right.

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People don't...

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Of all of those arguments of like, no, we need to keep our ability to strike first on

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the table is like, you're insane.

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You're absolutely insane.

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The idea that you would ever use them, period, is insane.

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And anybody who doesn't say that is insane is insane.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I had a hard time tracking that sentence because you said insane so many times, but I think

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I agree with you.

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Yeah.

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So we have this last clip coming in at number one, Skousen saying something fucking stupid.

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And you simply have to say, I'm sorry, we're not dealing with this anymore.

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There's no way, and you should never try to improve the public schools.

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You don't try to improve an inherently evil institution.

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It just keeps people in there longer.

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People need to get their kids out of public schools, either through private or homeschooling

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education.

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Is that an option for everybody, Skousen?

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You know what?

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There are some hidden victims to this plan.

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Maybe a couple, maybe a couple.

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I feel like that is ridiculous.

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It's the same thing with a lot of these initiatives that Alex really wants to, and his guests

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and this worldview that they put forth.

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They foresee an ideal situation off in the future, which is like everybody's homeschooled

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and we're all great.

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What they don't realize is that the process of getting to that outcome would be devastating.

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It would destroy countless lives and preclude us from ever reaching the destination.

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Their method to get to where they want to go makes it so that end goal is impossible.

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I see where you're coming from, and that would be the end of the sentence.

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I just think it's delusional to think that you're ever going to get to a point where

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everyone is able to take their kids out of school and homeschool them or put them in

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private school.

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From a financial standpoint, from a life logistics standpoint, there just isn't the ability for

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everybody to do that.

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Because that's a very pie in the sky-ish kind of thinking, what you're advocating for is

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never improve the public schools.

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I find this repulsive.

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I find this to be a terrible prescription for life.

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The only people who get hurt are people who wouldn't be able to use the remedy to begin

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with.

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People who wouldn't be able to homeschool because they work multiple jobs to make ends

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meet, or they can't afford a private school.

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It's just prohibitive for them.

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Those are the people who are hurt by what you're suggesting of, let's make the schools

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worse.

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Yeah.

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Well, the first clip is very clear.

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I'm worried that I'm going to be a hidden victim in your system, whereas right now,

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I am not a victim and I don't really care about the people who are.

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Right.

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It doesn't matter to me.

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You talk about people who are out of touch when you talk about the elitist, like this

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is out of touch in a completely different ballpark.

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He just doesn't even comprehend the lives of people who aren't like him.

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Well, and he also goes on to say like, yeah, it can be tough, but I did it.

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I homeschooled my kids.

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It's like, well, great.

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That doesn't mean I don't think that you should have, or I want them to go back to public

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school.

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Everybody has a choice, I guess.

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I mean, specifically with the Scows.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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I don't want Scousin teaching anyone anything.

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The arch family of anti-communism that is the Scousins, I do have questions about the

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curriculum.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I think it's absurd and very dangerous as a mentality.

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You are just like applying whatever is true subjectively to you on everyone objectively,

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and it's deeply unfair to people's life circumstances, and what you're advocating for is hurting

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people.

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Yeah.

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That's all.

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It's that same kind of concept that so many of these people bring of like, well, the government

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is running a deficit when my family's running a deficit, we tighten our belts and we don't

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do that.

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And it's like, I get why you think that makes sense, but you're an idiot.

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So go back to fucking public school and don't listen to your dad's Scousin anymore.

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Yeah.

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I don't even care.

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Should improve the public schools.

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Yeah.

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We should absolutely improve the public school.

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That's one of the only things that always leads to positive outcomes.

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There has never been a situation where people are like, oh man, these public schools are

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so good and everything is destroying around them.

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Yeah.

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Fuck these guys.

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They're really cheering for negative outcomes for everyone who's unlike themselves and that's

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a very consistent trend.

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So it was interesting to me though.

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I mean, like, first of all, the Lana Del Rey stuff is just like, I cannot be more excited

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about this weird progression that he's on.

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That makes me, I do feel a little weird about having something in common with Alex.

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Where do we go next?

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I'm not a pop music guy.

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So what do you got?

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I don't think he could ever get on board with Carly Rae Jepsen.

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Can't do Jepsen.

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Although if he does, I'm out.

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Can't do Kesha, right?

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He hates her.

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Never going to do Kesha.

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I mean, especially because like her latest album Rainbow is a very, well, just saying

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the word rainbow to Alex triggers him.

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Yes.

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I think he would have a lot of trouble with like woman and learn to let go.

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I don't think he'd like, this is a him for the him list.

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That song too.

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I really don't think he would like that.

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Not going to enjoy that.

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Even though she's really evolved as an artist from her days of like, wake up in the morning

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feeling like P Diddy and like her brush my teeth with the bottle of Jack, she's evolved

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a lot from those days and even the, uh, uh, die young, uh, that warrior album, she's definitely

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come a long way, but the progression is something that Alex would absolutely not be on board

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with.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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I don't think he would go.

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I don't think he's a, he's a going to go backwards in the, in the catalog either.

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I don't think that's going to get into Michelle branch.

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What else?

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What else?

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Uh, Nico case maybe.

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Nah, I don't think any DeFranco.

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I don't, I don't, I don't know.

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It's very absurd.

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I love it though.

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But the other thing that's really interesting is this sort of like three act structure that

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this show kind of has, you know, I, I very rarely see things that are kind of on message

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for Alex and that's very strange.

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You know, you have the, uh, the touching kids in schools in the beginning and then the interview

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with the Parkland father that makes up the first hour, second hour is all the climate

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bullshit.

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Third hour is interview with Joel Skousen.

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Like it has a much more of a rigid structure than other episodes, even in the present day

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that I've listened to.

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And I don't, I don't know if that makes this easier to take in, but it wasn't as much of

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a chore listening to it.

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Like when Alex is like scattershot and literally just bouncing off the walls, this, this, this,

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this is like blah, but do, but do.

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It's very difficult to, uh, keep up with him and keep track of like, what are you even

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saying?

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And maybe this is a blessing for me in some ways, you know, in terms of actually like

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dealing with the issues that he's talking about.

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Yeah, yeah.

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In keeping with, uh, Alex's, uh, uh, truth though, it is one of those things where it

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could mean either that he's giving a shit and trying to make a better show or it could

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mean that he's completely given up and is letting somebody else tell him what he's giving

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his producers more authority.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But it doesn't, it doesn't, there's no like, there's a third possibility and like he's

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talked about like how he doesn't drink anymore and it's possible that like his sobriety is

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kicking in and he's like, his head is clearing up a little bit from those days when he would

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scream about the ways to learn, but he's doing all that speed with Barnes over there.

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Come on man.

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I mean, but speed sometimes helps you with your mental organization.

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That's true.

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For a while.

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For a bit.

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It could, it could be like, uh, I never believe him when he says anything, but he has said

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that he's, uh, you know, not drinking and trying to exercise more and there's a decent

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chance of that.

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It just puts him in a place where he's better able to organize what he's presented.

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Yeah, that's true.

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If you look back into the past, I mean, he's all over the place, but he could make points

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better in the past, whereas we've seen in 2019, 2018 so much just like this guy is unwell.

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Yeah.

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Like he is like a process of thinking is, is disorienting.

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There's still a bit of that, but maybe, maybe it's a sign of progress or he could be lying

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about everything he's talking about in his health and it is just his producers being

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more on the ball or it could be his last gasp attempt at like, maybe this'll write the show.

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Maybe I'll control myself.

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Who knows?

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But whatever the case is, like I said, it's a little easier to, uh, uh, just swallow.

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Yeah.

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So thank you.

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Alex rainwater with cold ice cubes, juicy ice cubes through the desert.

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Juicy ice cubes.

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Who says that?

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Alex fucking jokes.

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So we'll be back on Friday with either another present day episode because, uh, Alex, we

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don't know his response at the time we're recording this, but, uh, Trump just gave that

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speech where he said that the future is not for globalists.

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It's for Patriots.

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Right.

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And we have to assume Alex is freaking out about something is going to get this episode

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out in time.

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We don't have time to see his response, so we may have to do that on Friday or we might

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have to do the TI podcast or maybe both or maybe something else who knows, but we'll

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be back one or the other, but we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledge fight.com.

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You bet.

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We also are on Twitter.

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We are.

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College underscore fighting at go to bed Jordan.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are.

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And if you wanted to download the show, you could go to iTunes, you could, uh, leave a

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review.

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That'd be really great.

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You could recommend it to some friends, but let me tell you something about the best way

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to get the show.

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Have you ever been to wine country?

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Sonoma.

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Exactly.

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You got to go down to Sonoma.

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You go through, there's these, Oh, gorgeous rows upon rows of grapes.

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If you've ever seen it in the fall time of year, I've been amazing.

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It's great.

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I'm going to walk down the 38th row of the Sonoma, I was hoping it would pop in.

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I thought for sure one of the wines would pop in.

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I thought for sure I could have gotten a vineyard in that moment and it never came.

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Anything.

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It never came.

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Sutter home.

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No, I know.

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That's what I'm saying.

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My brain just shut off all the wineries.

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You could have, uh, Coppola, Francis Ford Coppola's winery, 38th row.

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Go down 28 feet, grab the third grape.

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You see, pull it out.

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There's going to be a little sick drive in there and you can listen to this is the problem

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with specifics.

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I know I'm not that good at improv.

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It turns out.

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Well, stick to sketch.

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Uh, guys, we'll be back.

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But I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the juiciest ice cube.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love it.