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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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I think everybody is clamoring for Plant Watch Update.
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Plant Watch.
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July 11th, 12th, and whatever day it is today. What are we doing plant wise?
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Plant wise, we're in a bit of a holding state right now, a little bit of a holding pattern.
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All the peppers are coming in well, but none are fruiting yet.
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There's a, you know, we got the serranos and the Thai chili plants, those were the ones that were planted first.
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Right.
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And they've come, you can see them, they're about, you know, they're over a foot tall.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was wondering.
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They're coming in quite well.
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Yeah.
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But still not fruiting, so we'll see what happens there.
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When are they supposed to fruit?
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I don't know, I think probably by now.
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This is my first rodeo with having a bunch of plants, so I'm not entirely sure.
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Yeah.
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But then the second round of peppers, the Trinidad Scorpions and the Chocolate Bootlas.
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Okay.
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They're coming in, they're coming in quite well.
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I was a little bit worried about them, they were a little stubby, and I thought that I'd messed everything up,
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but they're coming in nice, they're still probably in the 4, 5, 6 inch height range.
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And those are the ones that you can't touch with your hands, otherwise you'll die.
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Well, you can.
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Yeah, but.
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Maybe just don't then rub your eyes or something.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But that's the same thing with like jalapenos even.
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Like if you cut some jalapenos up and then you rub your eyes, it's gonna hurt.
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Well, yeah, but I mean.
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It's a scale of how much it hurts.
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Right, right, right, but you were like, I have to wear gloves to plant these.
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Yes, that is true.
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That's some serious shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's nothing like a jalapeno.
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No, it was, I did mess up in the planting stages.
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I think that was the scorpions, yeah, that was really painful.
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Yeah.
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And it wasn't from touching the seeds.
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It was from touching the package the seeds came in.
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Don't do, what am I?
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Someone had handled the seeds and then touched, oh, so good.
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Who's like, oh man, I touched this and it hurts so bad, I need to find a way to eat
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it.
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I found a scorpion, this Trinidad scorpion hot sauce like four days ago and you can see
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Jordan.
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Holy shit.
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It's three quarters gone.
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Yeah, it's great.
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It's a really good sauce.
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You like putting hot sauce on stuff.
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I do.
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I like my food to hurt.
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Oh God, there's a lot of metaphors there.
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Certainly.
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This is a podcast where I know a lot about peppers, sort of, and Alex Jones quite a bit.
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And I don't know anything about either.
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Correct.
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Jordan, today we are in the past.
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We are going back to the year of 2013 to continue our ongoing investigation of how Alex Jones
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covered the fallout of Sandy Hook and everything else around that.
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And today we're going over February 21st and 22nd.
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I'll tell you in advance, February 22nd is a bit of a no man's land.
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Garbage, huh?
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There's nothing going on on that show.
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He is just rambling about how the government's going to take guns away from veterans.
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That's pretty much the entire show.
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Yeah, they do that.
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It is not worth it.
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Just tons and tons of stuff of like things we've already gone over.
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It would just be rote repetition of this isn't true.
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This isn't true.
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Right.
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This is nonsense.
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We've said that before.
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We have.
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But February 21st, there's a bit more meat on that there bone and so we shall go over
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it.
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Let me take a moment to say thank you to some people who signed up and are supporting the
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show.
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And we really appreciate it.
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So, first of all, let's say thank you to Thomas.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Thomas.
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Thanks, Tyler.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Tyler.
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Tyler.
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Next, Anna.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Next, boxcar Willie Nelson.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Boxcar Willie Nelson.
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Uh, next, Lucretia.
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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I'm almost certain I mispronounced that, and I apologize.
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But it also makes me think of the great blood, sweat, and tears song, Lucretia McEvil.
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Oh yeah? I was thinking of Lucretia Borgia. That's who I was thinking of.
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That's probably a much closer pronunciation.
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But I will say that Lucretia McEvil is a great song.
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Buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh.
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Uh, was that Block Rockin' Beats, I think?
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No.
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Bored Rock.
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Um, so finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
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We appreciate it very much.
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So, Regina, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why are you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you, Regina.
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Thank you very much, Regina.
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Capital of Saskatchewan.
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Is it?
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It is.
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What else is Regina?
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Uh, I think it's derived from, like, Queen, right?
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Isn't it Regis?
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Yeah, yeah, something along those lines.
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Anyway, we appreciate it.
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Thank you very much.
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If you like what we do and would like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website,
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knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Please do.
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Um, so, Jordan, I started listening to this episode, this February 21st episode,
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and I heard Alex say something that excited me to no end.
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Now...
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Free ice cream.
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That would be very exciting.
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It is hot out.
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Yes, it is.
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We finally hit summer in Chicago, and it is ice cream weather.
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That is not what he says.
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Okay.
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This is the sort of thing that I, looking back at digging into past episodes of Alex's show,
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this is exactly what you want to hear.
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Now, he doesn't follow through on this, but it's the sort of thing you really get excited to hear.
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I don't want to say this broadcast is in a rut, because we've added a lot of new things to it.
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It's gotten better.
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We've got the reporters, more and more special news pieces.
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It's just that at the level this broadcast has already made it,
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I am going to attempt to really shake the show up.
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That's really exciting.
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That would have been amazing.
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That is so exciting to hear.
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An awareness on Alex's part that he's in a rut, because he is.
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In this late February stretch of time, he is kind of in a holding pattern.
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He's kind of got about all he can out of the Piers Morgan shit.
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He's got this WWE narrative with Jack Swagger going, but it doesn't...
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You can almost get a sense that he doesn't even feel like this is
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really going to do that much for him.
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And I think from listening to these episodes,
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I could get a sense that he realizes they're more interested in Glenn Beck also.
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So I think that he does feel like, I got to do something.
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We're in a rut.
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I got to mix it up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I like that.
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I like that.
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He's been talking about the same boring nonsense.
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The WWE is unrequited love.
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He's not going to get there.
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He needs to go back to his old broadcast, really rekindle the flame there.
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Like maybe try a little bondage, little light bondage stuff.
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You know, get the emotion back in there.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, maybe.
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I think a wacky sidekick would do it.
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Okay.
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Well, that would work too.
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I think there's a lot of options for what he could do to mix things up.
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Read?
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No, I don't think that would happen.
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No, I don't think it would help.
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No, no, no, no.
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Sound effect board.
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I like a sound effect.
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Ooh, fart noises.
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Imagine Alex Jones if he had like a...
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Oh, God.
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Kazoo noises.
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Or just like a...
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They are coming to take our guns.
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That would be great.
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Like a vuvuzela drop.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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Air horns.
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Air horns.
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I would love it.
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But like I said, he doesn't really follow through with this.
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At least not in the 21st and 22nd that I've listened to.
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I see no evidence of him shaking anything up.
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It is a very similar type of broadcast.
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But interestingly, as an extension of him saying that he needs to mix things up and
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the show is kind of in a rut, he is expressing like a good amount of self-awareness, which
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I find very interesting because it's usually pretty absent.
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Like he makes a couple of really valid complaints about himself in this next clip.
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There's the issue of the frustration of every day I come in here and I've scanned over
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before I got here and then when I get here, sometimes 200 articles, usually about 100.
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I've got all these video clips, all these reports, all this incredible information,
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all these insights to try to transmit to you.
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But I get so excited and go into a rant mode and the first hour is generally the best hour
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for my content.
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And then we usually have guests on because I know that I tend to degenerate by the second
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and third hour.
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And it's on the days where I don't have guests where I decide to not have guests that
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that becomes evident.
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And I'm probably over analyzing this.
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It's just that these are extraordinary times we're in.
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Very extraordinary times.
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And so I must absolutely must get myself to the point of where I'm in control because
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I'll say I'm going to go to your calls.
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I don't go to him or when I do, I let a caller go too long or I say I'm going to cover
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something in the next hour.
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I start covering it right then and then never fully cover.
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I don't believe him about like reading 100 articles in preparation for the show or anything
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like that.
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But some of those criticisms of himself are quite valid.
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They are dead on.
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The first hour is usually the best hour because he does fall apart towards the end of episodes.
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Generally, he's just got to say nothing and treading water by the third hour.
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I never go to calls when I say I'm going to go to calls.
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Totally, absolutely a valid criticism.
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The I say I'm going to cover something later and then I just start rambling about it and
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never really cover it.
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Yeah, that is a hallmark of your show.
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Yeah, that's that one's pretty much that's that's more of a feature, not a bug to your
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show, actually.
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Yeah, that's how you get away with not covering things.
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Yeah, this is very weird to me.
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This is weird.
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It sounds like the head of HR brought him in for a performance review.
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And his dad?
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Yes, exactly.
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I don't know if his dad was HR back then.
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I don't remember the timeline exactly.
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Maybe that's why his dad is HR now is because they was a head of human resources.
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And he told Alex take more calls.
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Yeah, I don't know what it is, but there's a moment of introspection here that I find
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very uncharacteristic of him.
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I mean, he does feel down sometimes about himself, but this this level of opening the
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show with we need to mix it up.
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I'm pretty not good after an hour a lot of the time.
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So I overcompensate by having guests on.
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I never cover news and I don't take calls when I say I'm going to.
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We need to change that.
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I think I figured it out.
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We are in a 13 going on 30 situation.
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He and Rex swapped bodies.
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So Rex is telling the truth through Alex's mouth.
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And then for some reason, they probably stepped on the same lucky penny, but with Lincoln's
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face down.
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OK, so that's when they swapped back in the next day.
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He's right back to his bullshit.
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I mean, it's possible.
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That makes perfect sense to me.
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All right, there's a theory.
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I have other theories that are much less specific, just he's not feeling great and realizes the
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bad job he's doing and wishes he was capable of doing better.
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That sounds right.
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That seems more in line with his psychology.
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But as an extension of this, he starts he says a couple of really fucking weird things
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on this episode that I think are kind of revealing of when he's being more critical and more
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self-aware.
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These sorts of ideas come to the surface.
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Now, we've already heard him say that you've got to give it up to the Somali pirates, which
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was groundbreaking in how shocking it was to hear him be pro Somali pirates.
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But it turns out there's another group of people you've got to hand it to.
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I mean, this is an epic time to be alive, an epic plan we face, epic eugenicist based
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technocrat globalist who you got to hand it to him and had a long term nightmare plan
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and have really carried a lot of it out.
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They're about 10 years behind.
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You got to hand it to the globalist.
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That's weird.
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So he's not done.
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He has more thoughts to expound on here, but it's always like you do not have to hand it
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to the globalist.
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They're your mortal enemies.
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You do not have to hand it to them.
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I mean, it's epic.
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And a lot of technocrats will say, well, Alex, they're in control.
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We're in control.
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Speaking of themselves, we're going to win.
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And you should just try to join us.
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Isn't the fact that we're in control the evidence that we should be in charge?
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And I sat there and watched a lot of my family die of cancer.
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And I've watched friends die of cancer.
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I've watched people take their last breaths.
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Even though it was painful, it was important moments to experience that death, not to hide
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away from it, to see it, to know how transient we are.
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Out, out, brief candle to quote Shakespeare.
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Life is very fragile to quote Shakespeare.
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And I have sat there and watched people battle cancer.
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And I've said this before.
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I'll say it again.
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If cancer had a consciousness, it would think it was winning.
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No, you are not winning and you do not have a right to be doing what you're doing because
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your eugenics would be bad enough if you were killing the infirm and the stupid.
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But you are targeting the beautiful and the intelligent and the enlightened because you're
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threatened by it.
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And that is just beyond, beyond evil.
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You people are cancer.
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Okay.
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So, but you got to give it up to cancer.
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It does a pretty good job.
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You got to give it up to how epic it is.
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Epic cancer.
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Um, I mean, it's hard to take in outside of any context.
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I don't know how terrible that is because he, you know, he is, he's expressing like,
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okay, so a parasitic system that kills its host.
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It would think that it was winning as it was killing the host and taking the resources
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from the host to survive.
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But in doing so, it leads to its own death.
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Right.
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I think that there's, I think you just described colonialism.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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There, there's an, you know, I don't know how far off he is in terms of just saying
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things, but you can't take that outside of the context of his worldview.
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Right.
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And so much of his fear and so much of his rhetoric is about there being like a plan
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to destroy whites or a plan to get rid of the middle class, which he very clearly expresses
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is mostly white.
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They're all of this is an attack on the gun community, the Patriots.
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Like you can't hear him say stuff like you are attacking the beautiful and the intelligent
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without thinking again, you're speaking in code a little bit here.
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Yeah.
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You're saying that your eugenics would be bad if you were just dealing with the people
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I don't like, but you are dealing with the people who are similar to me and a targeting
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them with your eugenics.
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Can't have that to me is step too far.
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No good.
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Absolutely not.
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I do feel like that's part of what he's expressing.
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They're taken in the context of his work and the views that we know he has.
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Yeah, it's it kind of because you wouldn't be carrying out eugenics against people who
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like guns.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It's kind of it's kind of it kind of fucks me up a little bit because he is being introspective
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and and like self-reflective.
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And at the same time, he's still saying that the global he's still speaking to the globalist
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like they are absolutely real.
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Yeah, which screws with my head because it's like, wait, so do you really believe all this
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bullshit?
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You can't you can't ever tilt your hand on that one, though, even no matter how introspective
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you are, your brand is gone.
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If you right indicate that like you have any doubt of your world view.
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Right.
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But he doesn't have any doubt.
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Well, I think that would be easy to while he's while he's doubting himself.
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Wow.
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That's troublesome.
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I don't know.
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I'm not as troubled by it, but I see what you're saying.
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I think I think there's a there's something there.
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But this this sort of self-critical introspective Alex is also expressed by virtue of his interactions
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with a caller.
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This guy calls in and wants to talk chemtrails and he thinks he's found a way to prove all
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the arguments about chemtrails.
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All right.
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And Alex's response to this guy is pretty amazing.
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Fuck you.
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I wanted to mention the the modified atmosphere several months ago I obtained and I want to
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encourage others to do it if they've already done it.
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Great.
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And the others should need to do this as well.
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Get a hold of a microscope.
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Get some rain samples.
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Look at your rain under a microscope.
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Look at what is falling on you.
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It's it's mind boggling.
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I have water samples still that I have kept for several months in my refrigerator.
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And it's amazing what happens over the long term.
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The little glass containers I have the water in when I first collected it with the cap
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on it, if you shook it off, it looked like Santa Claus should be standing in there.
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And now over the course of several months, all of those disgusting fibers and God knows
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what that's in there has all clumped together.
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And you should shoot a YouTube video that show up.
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But that's really unscientific.
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And I'm not poo pooing the fact that you're doing that.
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That's that's a good way to start out observing things.
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But I appreciate your call.
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That's wow.
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Yeah, that's Alex pointing out that something is unscientific.
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Yeah, surprising.
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Yeah, I'm thrown off.
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Yeah, thrown off.
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It's very weird.
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There's there's a there's a sense of like any other day he might have jumped on that.
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Yeah.
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I've been like, well, not only that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Used it as a way to pivot into something he did want to tell a narrative that he is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He would have been like, oh, that's really interesting.
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That that's also like whenever you see the jump, you wouldn't have poo pooed on it and
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then said, I'm not poo poo doing that.
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He wouldn't have just said like, hey, yeah, I didn't prove shit.
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You looked at stuff and hold that that's a great way to look at stuff to start, you know,
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but don't stop.
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Leave me alone.
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It's it's great that you want to go down this avenue.
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Yeah.
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But what you're doing isn't scientific and you haven't proven anything.
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It's almost a little paternal as well.
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Just like you are spending your time the way you're going to spend your time.
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Now, what's interesting about that is that Alex is capable of that.
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Yeah.
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Like seeing those type of moments are always kind of shocking because it's like you could
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respond to everyone like that.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's no there's no caller that has something that's so wildly different from what that
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guy said that you couldn't use that response on anything.
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Yeah.
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Anytime someone tries to convince you of bullshit or say some nonsense, you could just be like,
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well, hold on now.
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You are capable of it.
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You're capable of critical thinking or at least were in 2013 to an extent that like
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it makes it so much worse.
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It makes all the incredulousness, all of the like easily foolable elements of him.
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Like it's damning.
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It's really damning to see him operate like an adult.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's worse.
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It's worse.
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It says that it's there.
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It says or he does have a sound drop board.
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And that's very unscientific is one that he recorded a long time ago.
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This is just him playing little doo doo doo.
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Yeah, it could be.
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So there's those indications of those weirdnesses that come up.
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But like I said, in the same way that, you know, you have that you got to give it to
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the globalist cancer bit.
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There are also more indications of like him expressing weird ideas, sort of weird ideas
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that you kind of always feel like he believes but doesn't really overtly say.
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And this next one is about how everyone's going to be replaced by robots.
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And I think underneath it is something that maybe we haven't done a good job of analyzing,
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but I think is a firm belief of Alex's.
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Humans are out of it.
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Humans won't be working at McDonald's.
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They won't be working in factories.
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They won't be working in the military.
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You'll have technicians that back up the robots in case they have problems.
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But already top engineers don't even know how the computers work, and none of them can
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even tell how they all go together now.
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And the algorithms are all out of control.
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So you'll just basically have computers working on the computers.
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And at that point, the globalist can release the bioweapon.
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Just get rid of us.
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We're not needed anymore.
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They officially say they're going to kill us.
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What do you think about that?
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That's insane.
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Oh, you're saying that to a person.
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Yeah, I was explaining that to a caller.
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Caller got that?
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Yeah.
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So the thing that I think is interesting that's underneath that is a feeling that the globalists,
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at least, seem to believe in Alex's conception that the only value of human life is based
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on work.
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And I think that Alex believes that.
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I think he agrees with that.
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Yeah.
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You know, the idea that, OK, so robots take over all the all the jobs, let's say, and
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then people don't have to work.
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Well, kill them all.
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Yeah.
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Alex believes that his enemies believe that.
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But at the same time, he doesn't seem to offer any kind of real world solution to this or
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any kind of real sense that humans have value outside of work.
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Yeah, he doesn't really disagree with to get rid of the robots at work and keep people
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working, as opposed to conceiving of or imagining a society where your value isn't based off
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your work that you're able to put in at a factory or whatever.
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Yeah, it is.
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It is interesting that in his very conception, because he's projecting this false hate to
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the globalists, he's functioning on the same spectrum, which the only value of a human
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being is in their work is taken as read by each side.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah, their solution is to get robots in and kill everybody.
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His is keep people working so they still have value.
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And kill all the robots.
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Yeah, yeah, it's just we're on the same team.
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It's very strange.
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And I think I think the fact that, you know, if his enemies are such that, you know, we're
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going to replace humans with robots and then because they're not working, they're expendable
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and we can kill them all with a bioweapon.
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Yeah.
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If he believes that that's what his enemies believe, then it should be contingent upon
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him to create such a groundswell of popular support and excitement around the idea that
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we aren't just our work.
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There is an entire beautiful world we could create if we weren't tied to jobs, tied to
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like that being the end all be all of our existence.
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Right.
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Like the amazing community things we could do, the amazing cleaning up of nature we could
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do.
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There's so much.
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That sounds like something we should get our robots to do for us.
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Yeah, probably.
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People exploring hobbies, the creative renaissance that we could go through.
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People were allowed to follow their passions and had the freedom to be able to do that.
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I don't really see a ton of that from him in terms of like that being a solution to
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the problem.
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It's just don't shut down the coal plants and keep people working in car factories in
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America.
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Like that isn't a great solution to his perceived problem.
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And it leads me to believe that he believes the same thing as the globalist in as much
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as humans are only valuable as work.
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Right.
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I mean, I suppose the thing that I would add to that is that it is something of a very
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rational fear with an imagined outcome.
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Like I do absolutely think that major corporations are doing everything possible at all times
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to automate as much of the labor as possible.
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And I absolutely think that it is unreasonable to think that they really care what happens
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to people after that.
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No, totally.
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I mean, one of the things...
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It's a rational fear.
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The irrational fear is the part where they're all going to kill us then, you know?
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Like, so that's another part of his worldview that is just assumed on there.
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If they are doing one thing and it is real, then I'm not going to think about what might
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happen next.
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I'm only going to think that it's apocalypse.
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Right, right.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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If any part of the status quo changes, even the slightest bit.
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Right.
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Apocalypse.
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Apocalypse.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about his love of the John Birch Society, which is...
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I mean, we already know that he loves the John Birch Society, but he doesn't talk about
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it all that often.
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So I find it important to point out when he does.
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I did.
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When Alex talks about people thinking the John Birch Society was crazy, it's because
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they were.
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Oh yeah, they were fucked up.
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And they weren't just like some kind of, hey, we're cool.
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We just don't like communists type of people.
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They were really, really, really fucked up.
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And if you look at the materials that they distributed, like especially in their early
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times, it gives you a good example of what they were really about.
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One of the first books that they put out and was sent to all their meetings was this book
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called the John Franklin Letters.
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And it is a insane, violent fantasy in sort of the same conversation as the Turner Diaries
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or the Unintended Consequences.
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That sort of militia fantasy of violent revolt against a government that has gotten too collectivist
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or whatever.
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That is a big piece of their DNA.
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And it was one of the first books that they ever put out and distributed.
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And so when Alex talks about his dad being at least adjacent to the John Birch Society
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and it being a part of his childhood, it makes it very difficult for me not to imagine that
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the John Franklin Letters was something that Alex may have had access to when he was a
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wee boy, which is fucked up because that book is a real serious mess.
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Yeah, it does make sense of his enduring hatred for football and all of those things that
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sublimate the male desire to kill.
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Because basically what he's doing is living out murder fantasies through these militia
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books and all that stuff.
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He's angry at those because he doesn't want to sublimate his desire to fight a war.
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He wants to get his murder boner on.
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Yeah, yep.
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There is something to that, probably.
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Probably.
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So, I mean, also the John Franklin Letters, just to give some sense of what it's all about.
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It was written, probably, it's anonymously written, but it was most likely written by
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a guy named Revilo P. Oliver, who was one of the founding members of the John Birch
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Society.
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And he had to sort of get out of the group because he was too openly anti-Semitic and
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too much of a bigot.
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And he would go on to join William Luther Pierce to form the National Alliance.
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And of course, William Luther Pierce was the guy who wrote the Turner Diaries, which inspired
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Timothy McVeigh to do the whole Murrah Building bombing.
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Right, right, right.
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So good dudes all around.
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And from an interview that I was able to find, Pierce discusses, like, his inspiration for
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writing the Turner Diaries was Revilo Oliver giving him a copy of the John Franklin Letters,
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which helped him sort of figure out how he wanted to write his book.
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They're all just writing fan fiction of older fan fiction about militias.
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Malicious. It does feel that way.
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And so, like, a lot of that stuff, like, just the idea that it's a benign anti-communist
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organization that just felt like, eh, we don't like commies, is absurd.
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It, from the beginning, was a deeply fucked up propaganda strategy and also probably had
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more to do with suppressing workers' rights than it did in its actual opposition to communism.
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Isn't that strange when a bunch of rich people get together?
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There's always a thing that they say they're doing, but man, it sure helps that their businesses
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are profiting off of it.
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So also, towards the China issue, because Alex seems to be allergic to speaking in specific
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terms, I can't really know exactly what declassified document from the CIA he's talking
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about that proved that the CIA put Mao into power in 1949.
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Was that one of his self-criticisms, that he was allergic to providing specifics?
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That is my assessment.
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Oh, that one was yours. Okay, all right.
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But left with no real alternatives to get to the bottom of it, I just decided to read
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a bunch of the CIA's declassified information from the years around 1949 that involved China.
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And spoiler alert, none of them say that they installed Mao.
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On July 22nd, 1948, the CIA put out a report titled, The Current Situation in China.
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In the report, the situation is described as being not very good.
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The support for nationalist Chiang Kai-Shek, quote, is steadily weakening because of the
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unsuccessful prosecution of the war under his leadership and his apparent unwillingness
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and inability to accomplish positive reforms.
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The report describes increasing instability in the nationalist side of the Chinese Civil
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War, which was unlikely to be something that we could resolve no matter what we did.
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The report is not pro-communist or pro-Mao in any way.
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It says, quote, the prospect for the foreseeable future in China is at best an indefinite and
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inconclusive prolongation of the Civil War, with the authority of the national government
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limited to a dwindling area in the central and south China and isolated major cities
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in north and northeast China.
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The worst prospect is complete collapse of the national government and its replacement
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and its replacement by a Chinese communist-controlled regime under Soviet influence, if not under
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Soviet control, and uncooperative towards the United States, if not openly hostile.
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So strange that they would describe the communists coming to power as the worst-case scenario
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in a classified document, if that's exactly what they were working towards.
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According to the report's assessment, the U.S. was in a really precarious position.
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The U.S. had passed a bill providing aid to Chiang Kai-Shek, but his government was increasingly
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ineffective in facing opposition not just from the communists, but also from within.
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Anti-U.S. sentiment had been growing, not only from the communists, with many thinking
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that the U.S. was taking a side in a civil matter in the hopes of turning China into
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a giant colony.
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Were the U.S. to increase the aid offered to Chiang Kai-Shek, that sentiment would almost
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certainly have grown, and along with it, anti-Shek resistance.
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At the same time, the question of the USSR loomed large.
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Increased aid for the nationalists could very easily result in the USSR formally and materially
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supporting the Chinese communists in that civil war, which could get out of hand really,
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really easily.
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Considering a lot of these variables, the report points out that, quote,
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Many Chinese view the U.S. aid program as prolonging the agony of rather than resolving
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the civil war.
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That was a sentiment that we couldn't fight, really.
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There was not much we could do.
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Chiang Kai-Shek was doing a terrible job of running the war, and he was doing a horrible
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job of inspiring his side with a positive vision of what comes after the war.
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The CIA assessments and reports this time are in full acknowledgement of the uphill
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battle that would be involved in trying to somehow help him win the civil war, and how
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even if the U.S. was able to lead him to victory, it would likely not be a good thing, since
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his government was completely unstable, and in all likelihood, he wouldn't be able to
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effectively govern the country.
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If we were to get involved, it would likely involve a full military commitment, as well
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as a pretty high level of us forcing reforms on his nationalist government, which would
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be basically turning China into a U.S. colony.
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This sort of thing would obviously trigger a backlash from the Soviet Union, who have
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a strategic interest in their neighbor not being a U.S. puppet state.
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The issue of the U.S. position in the rise of the Communist Party in China is an infinitely
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complex one, but I can find no evidence that the CIA put Mao into power.
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The best argument you could make is that the U.S. didn't determine that it was in their
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best interests to enter a full-scale war in order to support Chiang Kai-shek and the nationalists.
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If that's the argument Alex wants to make, then by all means, he should make it.
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I suspect he doesn't present this situation honestly, because if he did, he would be advocating
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for a foreign war specifically in the interest of nation-building and imprinting U.S. foreign
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policy on another country, which he presumably is supposed to be against.
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The idea that the CIA installed Mao into power, it's the exclusive domain of insane
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anti-communist propagandists.
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At the time, strident anti-communists wanted the U.S. to get militarily involved against
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the communists because it would create a problem for Stalin on his eastern border.
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When the U.S. didn't pursue that strategy, because of its obvious horrible consequences
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that it would have brought, they interpreted that as the U.S. not wanting to apply that
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eastern pressure on Stalin, which was then translated into being active support for the
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communist regimes in the USSR and China.
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That's all that's going on here.
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It's revisionist history, oversimplification, in order to create a way in which this supports
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communism, and it doesn't.
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Right, right, right.
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It's stupid.
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And it's run by the John Boltons of their day, who are just going for, I want to kill
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these people, and I don't care the consequences.
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It's probably worse, honestly, because, like, John Bolton, as bad as he is, like, I don't
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think that he...
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At least he's not trying to take over China.
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Well, and I don't think that he would be able to be as effective 50 years from now as the
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John Birch Society was in the early 60s.
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You know, like, his influence is insidious, and it's awful, and it'll probably cause untold
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pain in a lot of people's lives, but I don't know if he'll start a school, you know?
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A school of thought that even when forced to go underground because of the people who
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looked at it as such stupid shit, it still is very influential.
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So anyway, John Birch Society sucks.
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They're the worst, and the CIA didn't put Mao into power in 1949.
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This is absurd.
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So in this next clip, Alex discusses how there's going to be a civil war, because of course
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there is.
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Well, why not?
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It's interesting that, like, he's always saying that, you know?
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Yeah.
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With the intensity and, like, pressure that he's saying it in 2019, it's like, wow, man,
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it's finally come to this.
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You go back to 2013, it's like, wow, there's probably going to be a civil war.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nah, you're a broken record.
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You say that all the time.
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But when this civil war happens, Jordan, it's important to remember that the right wing
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side in that civil war is going to be fake.
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What?
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It's interesting.
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Hold on, what now?
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And they do synthetic wars.
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They make them up.
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They run all the sides, so I see them getting it all ready.
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And I'm like, hey, the plan is they're going to say he's Lincoln.
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They're going to start a civil war.
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And so the entire program is set up, though, to where they'll artificially represent the
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states and call it Confederate.
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When the states of the Declaration of Independence and the people can reconstitute the government
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whenever they want.
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They want to build federal government against the states and the evil whites.
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That's the new targets, the bullet training, the manuals.
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They want a false billet.
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It's us minorities in a loving socialist government against the evil white right wingers.
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Kill anybody in a John Deere hat.
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Let's get them.
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OK, now they want to push that false idea instead of people like Sheriff Clark, who's
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black and super smart and well-spoken, has a hero background.
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What's going on here?
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Along with 400 other sheriffs now saying this is going to cause a revolution.
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We're going to be with the people that totally freaks the system out.
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In fact, if I was the globalist, this is the type of person I'd go after is Clark.
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There's other reasons to go after him, like being a monster.
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But that clip is a large part of earlier when he's talking about like you're going after
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the good, beautiful people.
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Yeah.
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Why I think there's a little bit of code.
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Yeah.
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Because he's saying that you're trying to target the white right wingers.
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So that wouldn't be a consideration if it weren't like this is how he sees things.
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Oh, on this side, it's going to be the minorities and the socialists.
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Like, hey, buddy.
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Yeah, it does.
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It's pretty clear what you're saying.
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It does kind of seem like you're saying that they're manufacturing an enemy, except you're
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creating the strictures within which they've manufactured.
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Like because his enemy is imagined, he is imagining what his enemy would think of him.
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Right.
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And actually just telling us what he thinks he is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's there's something to that.
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Yep.
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So there's going to be a civil war and the right wing side is going to be manufactured
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because they're going to create this whole war.
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And then all of it is just to demonize his side or something.
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He has a really grandiose idea.
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How are they going to be manufactured, though?
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What does that mean?
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I mean, like, how are they going to how is it?
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How is it?
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How is it going to do the whole thing?
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I wish I knew.
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Like they're going to do that, they're going to manufacture an entire side?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I guess probably if I had to guess, because I don't think he really lays this
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out specifically, it would be by like tricking some people on Alex's side to falling in with
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the paradigm and getting involved in the war.
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So they would be duped into it, though, though they or just like, I guess, agent provocateurs
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starting up militias, you know, he already thinks that all people who are in the clan
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are feds and shit like that.
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Fair, fair.
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So I mean, I guess you would probably say that would be how it works.
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And you would have to then create an entire side of loosely knit, barely even associated
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people and put them under one banner, you know, call them all one thing.
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And then, like you said, the goal there is to take, you know, shoot anybody with a John
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Deere hat because you picture you characterized an entire side.
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Right.
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As and so you you only need to see one thing like like like if they had a milkshake, you
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know, then it would be worth shooting them.
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Yeah.
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It's almost like he's manufacturing a goddamn civil war.
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I mean, yeah, I didn't I didn't say this made sense, but it does it does.
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It is interesting how his his mind works like.
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Yeah.
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And actually, this next clip is another one of these like moments of introspection that
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I think go awry and hear you hear him say something that I think might be the truest
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thing I've ever heard on Alex's show.
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I mean, the thing is, if you knew what I knew, which isn't hard to know, if you understood
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my mind and understood the history, we could defeat them very quickly.
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Now, that's not true in the sense that he said.
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Yeah, but I do think that if you understood how his brain works, it would be easy to defeat
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these globalists because they're imaginary.
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Yes, exactly.
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You understand how his brain works and how he oversimplifies things, how he doesn't look
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for context and any anything.
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He doesn't he doesn't look for the reality and things.
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He looks for the angle or whatever.
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You know, if you understood that it would be easy to defeat this imagined enemy because
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you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's just your brain.
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Right.
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That's just your brain, man.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's a big heaping pile of confirmation bias that's sitting at the bottom of your
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shit skull.
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If you understood how my brain worked, we could end this easily.
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Yeah, yes, we could.
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If all of your audience understood how full of shit you are, we could all be done with
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this a long time ago.
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I agree.
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That is true.
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Congratulations, Alex.
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You have spoken truth accidentally.
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So when he's saying that, though, that's not what he's saying.
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He's saying that if you understood the code that I understand, much like Leo Zagami having
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the only true code that Jesus would have, as proven by the Vatican, if you understood
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that code, they could defeat the globalists very easily.
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And here's how you defeat the globalists.
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How do we defeat this?
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Well, first off, we see the globalists want to divide and conquer everybody.
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And we see they want to get rid of borders and bring in globalism to replace our republic.
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So basically, anything the globalists are for, we need to be against.
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If they're for taking guns, there are intellectual arguments for guns, obviously.
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But we just know to be against gun control because the globalists are tyrants and want
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to take our guns to enslave us.
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So I don't debate or argue with them.
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Do you understand how this thinking could go very poorly?
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You have a guy who's the arbiter of a completely unexplainable plan that these evil globalists
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are doing.
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And you don't debate these sorts of things.
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You just are automatically against whatever they're for.
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So if he is the guy who understands in a way that, like, if only you understood this would
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be so easy, if only you could see all that I see, the globalists believe X.
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So you should be against X.
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It might just be a really good way to get people to believe something foolishly and
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unquestioningly.
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Yeah, it does seem like the questioning part of that is what he's really trying to stamp
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out.
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He really doesn't want the question part.
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Now, sure, there are intellectual arguments for all of the things that I believe, but
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fuck it.
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Just be oppositional, defiant, just be, like, reactionary and completely opposed to anything
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I tell you our enemies are for.
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Yeah.
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That's fucking stupid.
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It is a recipe for self-destruction more than anything else.
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Yeah.
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Because even if you take that thinking anywhere, like, okay, fine.
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So you get rid of all the people who disagree with you, all of the globalists, and now
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all you're left with are the right-wing patriots that you love to hang out with so much.
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John Beer is doing big business.
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Big business.
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But hold on.
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Your only existence is against what somebody else does.
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So in your little group, somebody says, hey, I don't think we should do this.
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Well, guess who that guy is?
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He's a fucking globalist now.
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Neo globalist.
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He's another.
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Oh, there's a whole nother type of globalist.
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And so you fracture that shit up again.
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Okay.
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Fourth wave globalist.
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Fine.
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You get rid of that, and then you get into a smaller group, and then one guy disagrees
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with you, and then it's murder, murder, murder.
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I mean, you see the same thing happening in the right wing a lot.
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And I imagine it probably does happen in the left, too, but I don't pay nearly as much
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attention to pundits on the left as I do Alex and his stupid world.
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But the way they all turn on each other, the way Alex tried to declare war on Ben Shapiro,
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the time that Alex had Jason Kessler, the guy who organized the Charlottesville Unite
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the Right rally on, and tried to accuse him of being a fed on air, that sort of behavior
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is so...
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Like, whenever you dwell in a world of paranoia, everyone is the target of that paranoia.
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Absolutely.
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It's inevitable.
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Once you defeat X enemy, Y shows up.
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Yep.
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It is inevitable for his system.
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Yeah.
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And it's interesting the way that he talks about the globalists, too.
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Like, he talks about whenever they end up killing off most of the population, you think
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they aren't going to turn on each other.
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Like, he understands that in terms of them.
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Yeah, yeah, no.
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But it doesn't feel like it applies to his group at all.
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It's always weird when he does one of these introspective episodes, because it feels like
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in trying to figure out his enemies, he is trying to figure out himself, but publicly
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telling you he's trying to figure out himself.
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And trying to explain about the enemies.
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He probably, you know, thinks that going to therapy is weak.
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Yeah.
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Just working it all out.
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Yeah.
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So, in this next clip, Alex talks about something that Obama is doing that is bad, though is
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identical to something he celebrated Trump doing.
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Look at Obama trying to rally all his idiot minions to go after guns and say, I need your
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horrible stories of what happened to you to personalize it.
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One man's a tragedy, a million's a statistic, as Stalin said, because it's a culture war.
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Alex was very excited about the idea of Trump soliciting stories of violence by immigrants
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when Trump was on that tip, not too long ago.
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Alex was very excited about that.
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Thought it was very important, these stories need to be told.
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Yep.
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I know that hypocrisy is pointless to point out, but it is just so explicit.
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It's so direct, the parallel.
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I know, you want at least one little measure removed, so you have to think for a second
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and then you're like, oh, that's hypocritical.
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You don't want it to just be a fucking mirror pointed at you.
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It's rough.
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Yeah, come on, man, at least try and hide it a little bit.
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Yeah, I think that this next clip is probably one of the most overt problems that I have
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with this episode.
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And I think that it's Alex undercutting pretty much all of his own beliefs.
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I know that I've said that before in the past, like whenever there's something that's like
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really deeply in conflict with his primary brand and the way he tries to present himself,
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but something he says in this clip makes me think like, ugh.
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They've taught so many yuppies.
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They go, I don't care, kill the Iraqis, they're not human.
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Do you think the globalists who don't think Iraqis are human think you're human either?
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They respect them a lot more than your big lazy butt.
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They think of you as a dumb animal who they don't want to take care of anymore.
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You're like, but I work.
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They don't care.
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They see the resources as theirs.
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They don't think you're human.
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They don't think you deserve to live.
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And here's my beef with the globalist.
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Maybe some of the public who wants to be slaves and hear this, maybe they do deserve to be
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slaves.
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I don't.
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OK, I'm not going to be a slave.
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I don't believe that someone like Alex, who presents himself the way he does with the
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belief set that he has, should ever be indicating that he believes that some people deserve
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to be slaves.
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Maybe some of them should be slaves, Dan, but that's not my job.
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I'm not the arbiter of who should or should not be slaves.
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It's not even that that he's saying.
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He's saying that he personally will not be, but some people, they deserve it.
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Some people, yeah, I don't, I don't caught into that.
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I don't believe that for a second.
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I don't believe I don't I don't believe that just because you don't agree with whatever
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I believe you deserve to be the victim of the consequences of that in the same way that
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like a good example is people who don't believe in like universal health care.
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I don't believe that if that is to be passed, they should be excluded from the benefits
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of course, not just because they were against it doesn't mean they shouldn't have the
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positive benefit of it.
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I don't think that it is right in any way for Alex to think like, oh, all right, you're
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not on my team.
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You deserve to be enslaved.
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Yeah, I will.
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I will be fine with you being enslaved.
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You're about human liberty.
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Your whole thing is liberty.
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You should be opposed to it in every context.
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Now you have to choose it, and if you don't choose it, then you lose it, Dan.
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That's how it works.
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If you don't choose to join Alex and be free, then you lose your freedom.
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And that makes sense.
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Or at least we're fine with it.
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That is not OK.
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That is absolutely not OK.
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Insane.
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It indicates less of an interest in freedom, less an interest in truly like people being
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free and more an interest in his team.
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Yeah, that's really all I can hear there.
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I mean, a very simple test of any kind of partisan leaning or any plans or anything
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like that is, will this only benefit the people who agree with me or will this benefit everybody?
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And it seems like the only thing Alex is interested in is benefiting people who agree with him.
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Or at least not giving a shit about the people who don't like the ways that they may be hurt.
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Right.
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And I think you even hear a little bit in that clip, too, about like work being the
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only thing that I work.
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Yeah.
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Well, why are you doing this to me?
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I work.
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I'm not unemployed.
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I'm not one of those people who you can do these things to.
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Right.
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There is a sense of like, again, he's using the globalists to express that position, but
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there is still a willingness to engage with that idea and it defining value, which is
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weird.
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Yeah, this all sounds a little bit to me like when I get really insecure and depressed and
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I'm like, man, I don't know, why am I even doing any of this stuff?
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I'm not any good at this.
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I'm terrible.
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And it's just like I direct it towards me and he seems to direct it towards the globalists
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making him feel bad, you know?
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Sure.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I mean, it all goes back to that.
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Don't make me feel bad.
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Yeah, don't make me feel bad.
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Yeah.
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Um, so in this next clip, we find that the GOP ain't going to do it.
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I'm going to do it.
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Tea party.
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That's the only hope for America.
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Yeah.
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And it's the full report.
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You've got Karl Rove saying open the borders, world government.
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Socialism is good.
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The Tea Party is evil and it's weak and it's dead and it's over.
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And you've got the same thing coming out of the WWE.
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That's because the Tea Party is the only hope.
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What the, the ideas of the real Tea Party, the real libertarian constitutional rediscovery
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of America.
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We need 1498 part deuce.
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We'll be right back with Sean and others.
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Um, so I mean, like if you think Karl Rove is a socialist, uh, we're, we're well far
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gone.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't even know what that would make me if Karl Rove is a socialist.
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I mean, it's just the way to, you know, it's the same.
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It's just nonsense.
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It's a way of making sure that everyone falls under your negative heading.
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Uh huh.
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Um, I guess just probably anybody who believes in any kind of social safety net of any sort
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is probably a socialist according to Alex.
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Probably.
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That sounds right.
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What is he talking about 1498 part deuce?
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See, that's interesting.
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I'm not sure.
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I was trying to figure out if I knew any deuce.
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I was like, wait, is he talking 1492?
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No, that doesn't, that doesn't sound right, but that's the only number that would make
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sense.
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Did some stuff in like South America in, uh, in 1498.
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Uh, Leonardo da Vinci finished his painting of the last supper in 1498.
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So we need a new painting?
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like he's obsessed with the Renaissance, talks about that a lot, but that had already
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been started by 1498.
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Uh, you know, it had been going for quite a while.
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Um, the only thing that's like really huge from 1498 in, uh, in, in history is that's
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when, uh, uh, Vasco da Gama, uh, arrived in India, the circumnavigated, uh, South of Africa
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and ended up there, uh, creating the spice trade.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That was in 1498, but I can't imagine how that's related to just hungry.
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I don't understand how that's related to what he's talking about.
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I don't know.
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There must be something that happened, I don't know.
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Was there, was that, was that when white nationalism began?
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Cause I feel like it was way earlier than that.
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Yeah, probably.
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Um, so earlier we heard Alex talk about Sheriff Clark being great.
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Um, and that's whatever.
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But I think that, that what we see as an indication that Alex having him on was very much a strategy
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in order to be able to report on having him on, uh, because he is a sheriff that's pretty
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popular, people are paying attention to him.
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And so Alex being able to attach his name to this group, like cause no one gives a fuck
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if he's like Sheriff Denny Payman is on my side.
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You get Sheriff Clark, that's kind of a git, you know, he's a larger than life personality.
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He's a name.
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Where's the cowboy hat?
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Yeah, he's a murderer and a monster and a torturer.
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A lot of that didn't happen yet in 2013, but still fair enough.
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I do like how he's even, he's still using coded words for, uh, for, uh, uh, black sheriff
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that he appreciates where he's like, see, unlike the other, he's smart and well-spoken
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and you're like, dude, every, every, you know what that means, right?
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He does that a lot.
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You have to know.
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He does that a lot.
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It's one of those things that I just choose to, uh, not point out because if I did, it
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would be every single time he talks about any black person.
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Uh, but in, in this clip, Alex talks more about that, the idea of covering, uh, his
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own coverage of Sheriff Clark.
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And I think at the end of this, we really get, uh, uh, indication of why it's not wise.
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And this is kind of ironic for me to be saying as someone who spends all his time covering
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Alex Jones, but I think it's unwise for most people to cover him because of exactly what
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he expresses at the end of this clip.
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Clark told Jones listeners that he would consider any federal order to confiscate guns as an
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act of tyranny.
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He also said, I don't want to get shot.
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He's not stupid.
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And said that he would refuse to enforce it in the County.
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You don't like this, do you, that we're not having this discussion, do you?
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See, we win.
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We force the initiative.
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We go on the offense and make you respond to us.
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You don't control reality anymore, you viper.
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Let's continue.
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I believe that if somebody tried to enforce something of that magnitude, you would see
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the second coming of an American revolution, the likes of which would make the first revolution
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pale with comparison.
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The sheriff urged that comment did not sit well with hacks at the Milwaukee journal Sentinel
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who accused Clark of engaging in attention, grabbing media appearances on a conspiracy
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pedaling radio show the way he's, uh, you know, salaciously reading this.
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He just loves, he loves the idea that someone's covering him.
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Yeah.
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He's living in a movie right now.
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Right.
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He's doing the LaFontaine voice, you know?
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But more importantly is that point that he makes about like, you hate that we're talking
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about this and you got to, we're controlling the conversation.
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Yeah.
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You are reporting on us doing something fucked up.
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Right.
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We're saying fucked up things and now we're hijacking your cycle.
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Right.
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And I think that that is the strategy that has been really, really effective.
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Oh yeah.
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I think that that is, um, a large part of what makes the media sphere so untenable and
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has for a couple of years now at least.
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Absolutely.
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Is the descending into the mud with these people who are bad faith actors who are just
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trying to either create their own brand, their own popularity, rise their stars.
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Right.
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Um, I'm doing so by making sensational, irresponsible, horrible claims that then you cover.
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It's the, it's literally what happened in 2008 that got us to where we are right now.
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The birther shit.
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Yeah.
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If nobody even, nobody would even have questioned, nobody would ever have thought about that
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unless the media took these bullshit bad faith actors who like are, who became our fucking
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president seriously and then repeated their claims and now Barack has to address it.
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And if you'd never, nobody was, nobody even wanted to know you were just being racist.
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Yeah.
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And that's how we got where we got.
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Yeah.
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I think there's something to that.
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And I know that there is an intrinsic irony, like I said before the clip about like me
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pointing this out as we are a Alex Jones podcast.
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Right.
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But I think there's a large difference between, um, especially when we started, didn't expect
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anybody would like this show.
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No, absolutely not.
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I think that there is, there's a difference between critical analysis and reporting on
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dumb bullshit.
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I hope that there's a difference.
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Well, we definitely don't do the, I mean, simply, simply put the easiest way to differentiate
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us in this type of coverage is we don't have that 50 50 rule of like, well, if we have
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somebody on our show, who's going to say that obviously the birther conspiracy is racist
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bullshit, then we have to have somebody else on our show.
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Who's going to say that the racist, we don't need a Trump surrogate to argue.
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We don't bother with that because it's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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There might, that might be a part of it.
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Um, I'm not entirely sure, but I do have a pretty firm conviction that, um, what Alex
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is expressing is a clear awareness that the strategy of, um, trying to make people cover
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his stuff is very effective and he's very into it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And it's gross.
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So this brings us to the end of this kind of self-aware episode on the 21st and I have
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a couple of clips from the 22nd just because I don't want to do it on our next episode.
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You know, let's just get it out of the way because it's trash.
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It's a really bad episode.
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Okay.
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A large portion of the episode, he has Ben Fuchs back on the show, who's the pharmacist
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who works for Young Jevity and they just talk about how like you need supplements.
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I, and I assume that he definitely pointed out that he works for Young Jevity.
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Yeah, I mean, it's basically just an infomercial.
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Right.
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Like they're at least above board about the fact that like he works or he is a spokesperson
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for their sponsor.
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Okay.
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But they are still giving out like pretty irresponsible advice in, in many, uh, uh,
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senses.
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Well, you got to get a sample of the Ebola blood, otherwise the supplements aren't going
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to work, Dan.
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It's not that irresponsible.
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Okay.
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Well, that's good.
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Still like get off your meds kind of shit.
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Gotcha.
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Um, the only other thing that happens that I think is hilarious is that Alex is on a
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big narrative of the military or the government has sent, uh, veterans, uh, a lot of mail,
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like a bulk mailing to all the veterans that, uh, they need to turn in their guns.
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Uh, and Alex takes calls from veterans and none of them have received this.
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Like it keeps, but they're all, they're all talking like they have, or like they heard
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a guy.
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Alex does not, uh, take the fact that all of them have not received a letter as any
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kind of problem for his narrative.
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Right.
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And because they're Alex Jones fans, they make excuses.
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Like I haven't checked the mail.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't know.
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Look, I haven't gotten it, but it's possible it exists.
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Right.
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I heard from one of my guys that he knew a guy who got the mail.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It's, uh, it's, it's a sad display of an episode.
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It's, it's not very good.
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Um, but we'll play this one clip where Alex explains that like, so even if you're in the
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fucking CIA, you don't know what Alex knows because the CIA is compartmentalized.
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So you know what your world is doing.
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Right.
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But then there's other people over here who decompartmentalized in another section.
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They know, right.
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They, you, this person, you know X, this person over here, they know Y, this other person,
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they know W.
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But Alex knows the Gestalt.
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He knows the alphabet.
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He's got the whole thing.
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Cause he's decompartmentalized and what he's doing is decompartmentalizing all the information
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he knows.
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So if you know X now, you know Y also.
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Right, right, right.
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And, uh, I don't believe him.
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No, certainly not.
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Uh, but he then explains how he knows the entire game plan.
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I'm decompartmentalizing this for you.
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I've been doing this for 20 years.
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I've been obsessed with this, dreaming about it at night for 17.
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I know the whole game plan.
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I know it better than the people at the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, because 99% of them are
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compartmentalized.
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There are very few people even in the power structure that know how this whole thing's
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meant to go down.
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It's so complex.
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I can't even articulate it to you.
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Okay.
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I'm not bragging about this.
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I know the whole plan because I've probably read 30 bucks on the Soviets.
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I probably read 10 bucks on the pre-Soviet era.
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I probably read 15 bucks on the czars.
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I probably read a hundred bucks on the Nazis.
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I probably read 50 bucks on the Vatican.
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I've read 25 or more bucks on British history, on Roman history, on African history.
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I've read probably over a thousand history books on these subjects.
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And I know what the globalists are doing and how they've integrated all these systems of
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control.
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At least two of those books about the Vatican were written by Leo Zagami.
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So I'm going to deduct those from your, uh, that gives you some indication of like what
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books you might be reading.
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Why are you reading so many books about Nazis?
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It is a lot.
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It seems like you read a lot of books about Nazis.
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And who's writing those books?
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It doesn't.
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Who's writing those books?
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What kind of perspective are you getting on the Nazis from those books?
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The other thing I would say is like, so my, my dad is a professor and I grew up in a close
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proximity with a lot of professors and academics and scholars, people who dedicate their lives
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to studying various topics and helping teach people about those topics.
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And one thing that I know is a hallmark of every good academic is rattling off how many
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books about a certain subject.
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I'm pretty sure that's what academics do all the time.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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Because it's not, it's, and it's super not infuriating in a conversation when you're
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talking about something and instead of, you know, engaging with somebody's argument, you
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say, no, no, no, I've read more books about this than you.
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I know everything more than people who are in the CIA.
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And it's too complicated for me to even express to you.
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Now let me tell you how many books I've read.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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That is, that clip is definitely like, regardless of whether he believes it or is acting or
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not, that clip is like, you need to see a psychiatrist.
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It's disrespectful to like, knowing things, just the very idea of knowledge.
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Yeah.
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It's disrespectful too.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Gutenberg just shit himself.
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That's what happened.
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Yeah, like, I can't, I can't imagine somebody who actually cares about subjects being like
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that, acting that way.
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And that's not the first time we've heard Alex rattle off how many goddamn books he's
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read about various subjects.
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It's, it's sort of some, it's a, it's an appeal to something that's irrelevant because
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you could have read 10 books about a certain subject and know nothing about it.
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You could, like, you could have read horrible books or your ability to internalize information
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could be below average.
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Yeah.
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Like you could have not synthesized the information from those books.
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You may have technically read, you could come away with it with no expanded knowledge base.
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You could know nothing.
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What he's saying is just some appeal to like, if you don't know that this doesn't mean
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anything, you'd be like, Oh, Alex is real smart.
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He's read a bunch of books.
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Like that's, that's all he's doing.
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He's trying to impress people who don't understand that he doesn't know anything.
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Yeah.
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That's like, it's, it's frustrating.
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That's like the, the literal interpretation of the fucking of the Dow.
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Like that is like one who speaks does not know is right in that wheelhouse.
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That's exactly what Lautza is trying to express.
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One who yells about how many books they've read has not internalized the information
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from those books.
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If you, if you are mistaking quantity of books with quality of information, then you're
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fucked.
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Yeah.
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And we have one last clip here, and this is from when Alex is talking about the, or talking
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to the young Jevity pharmacist, Fuchs.
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And this might, some people might accuse this of being somehow body shaming.
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And I don't mean it to be at all.
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It's just, I'm interested in the relative size of Alex's neck throughout his career.
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And in this clip, that is, that is the neck version of plant watch that is not, that is
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not body shaving.
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That is fascination with, I'm not saying that there's anything good or bad, unappealing
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or appealing about a smaller or larger neck.
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And I'm not trying to make Alex feel bad at all.
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He talks about his neck a lot.
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It's true.
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And that's why it's interesting to me to find that in 2013, his neck was shrinking.
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My neck, my face, my arms, my legs have all gotten smaller, but I don't follow the whole
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Infowarshealth.com, the Jevity program.
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I'm trying to, my belly has stayed the same size.
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And a lot of evidence is, I guess I'm still eating gluten and I guess I've got the wheat
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belly.
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He's got the wheat belly.
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What?
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Apparently he is a, he is a, he's bad with bread, bad with gluten.
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He's got the, he's, he's got the wheat belly.
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Is that a thing people say?
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I've not heard it before.
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Never heard anyone say, oh, I got a touch of the wheat belly.
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I've not heard that formulation of gluten intolerance, but I don't, I don't, I don't
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know if this is still something he has, like a intolerance to gluten.
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I'm not, I'm not sure.
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This is the first time I've ever heard him bring that up.
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It's, it's also relevant in terms of like not, and not just making fun of his neck or
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anything like that, but because it's within the context of almost a testimonial for his
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supplements.
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Yeah.
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Like I've, you know, I've been taking the, I haven't taken them all, but I've been taking,
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getting back on the InfoWars Life products and all my arms and neck have been shrinking
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and getting smaller.
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That's, you know, he's indicating that he's losing weight from these, these.
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So sometime in between 2013 and the present, perhaps when he stopped taking Young Jevity
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products, his neck got freakishly large as he has, to quote him, his own description.
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Yeah.
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Freakishly large neck.
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I, I think it's almost a refreshing testimonial.
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Like I would prefer that to any actual, like, if you do all the InfoWars Light stuff, you'll
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be able to get better and be fit.
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He's more or less just like, look, I'm lazy like you.
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I'm trying.
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It's getting a little bit better.
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I'm not perfect.
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Maybe you should buy it.
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Why are you making me feel bad?
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Like he's defensively telling you.
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There's an ambivalence to the salesmanship almost, or at least like it's grounded more
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than a lot of other ones in the sense that it's like, if he was trying to just like be
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completely crass, he would just be like, he wouldn't bring up his belly.
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Yeah.
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His wheat belly.
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He wouldn't, he wouldn't, although I don't know if it would be wise of him to say that
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their products could treat gluten intolerance.
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So maybe that is, that is sort of a, a dodge.
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I don't know.
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You would expect you'd be going over the top though and not bringing up things that haven't
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been helped.
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Yeah, or his own inadequacy.
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And you know, he's not following the entire regimen, even though he's telling you how
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great it will be.
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I honestly, I honestly actually think that that is just his way around, like arguments
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that's like, well, why are you unhealthy if you take all of your health supplements?
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Right.
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He consistently is never on all of them.
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Right.
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Or he, that is something I've always heard him say, even when Dr. DeGruype comes along,
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is like the, I mean to take all, I just kind of forget sometimes.
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And that way he can't be living proof that his shit doesn't work.
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That's true.
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That's a really good point.
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I did not consider that that is a, that is a, it's kind of a brilliant dodge.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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But I think, I think compared to the present day, you see, you see a bit less of like a
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really over the top salesmanship.
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And I think probably part of that might be indicative of him not getting a huge cut of
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the sales.
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You might not have as big an interest in moving this product than he does in the present.
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That's probably true.
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So we've reached the end here.
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And I think that this is a bit of a, you know, I think Alex is right when he started the
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first episode on the 21st that he needs to mix things up.
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He is in a bit of a rut.
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There is a little bit of staleness to his show in 2013.
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And, you know, still not really talking much about Sandy Hook here at this point.
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And I wonder if those two things are going to join together, the desire to mix things
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up.
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Is it possible that maybe being really fucking irresponsible in his reporting about dumbass
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conspiracy theories that he's already sort of danced around and put, dipped his toe into
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a little bit?
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Is that going to be what he decides to do to mix things up?
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Yeah.
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Who knows?
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Maybe he feels real bad about shutting that guy down and poo-pooing his ideas.
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The non-scientific guy?
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Yeah, he's going to think about it.
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He's going to say, you know what?
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Maybe I should be less scientific, too.
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I'm going to.
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And then here we are.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's interesting.
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I'm very interested, if only because I like to take a man at his word.
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And if Alex is telling me he intends to mix things up, it makes me think that maybe at
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least something will get exciting in this 2013 stretch.
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So I'm very excited to see what happens, and especially because I'm not super excited about
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the present day.
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Like, I don't really care about Alex's feelings about Trump having his social media summit.
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I don't particularly care about a ton of that.
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So the idea that maybe we're cooking up a little bit here in the past is much needed.
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Yeah, I'd prefer that.
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Yeah.
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So we'll be back next week.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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You bet it is.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are!
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It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
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Yeah, we're also on Facebook.
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We are!
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And you know where you could download our show if you would like to?
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What is that?
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You could go to iTunes.
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You could go to your local co-op.
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Uh, many people get together at skateboard shops.
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Uh, you get an episode of our podcast with every skateboard you purchase.
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But not if you just get trucks.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Well, why would you even want an episode of ours if you're only getting trucks?
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We don't want you.
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No.
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That's the rule.
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So you can do all that stuff.
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Yeah.
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Um, as we get to the end of this, I think I have no evidence that the caller who put
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rainwater in his fridge killed anybody.
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I, I don't know, but I don't, I have no evidence of it.
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You put, you put a drop of water in the fridge.
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It's only a couple of years before you got a human body in there, dad.
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You know what?
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You're, I can't prove you wrong, but we know we don't have no evidence of that.
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But one guy who technically probably has killed somebody is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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