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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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Have you ever read the Left Behind novels?
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Yeah, yeah I have.
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Have you?
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Well, I've read...
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Like how many did you read?
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One or two of them, I don't remember how many there are total.
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I think there's like ten.
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Yeah I think so.
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It's like Harry Potter but for pre and post trip.
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I thought they were trash even though I was in that community growing up,
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like the evangelical community.
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I thought they were a little bit stupid.
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And one thing that I thought was really great is that my dad is a religious studies professor.
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And so I found this out later in life.
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Because I was going through my dad's...
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I wasn't going through their house, but I was in their house.
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And I saw that first of all he had a copy of The Da Vinci Code.
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I was like, dad what are you doing with that?
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He's like, everyone told me I had to read it, it sucks.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Okay, okay, okay.
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And then I found a copy of Left Behind.
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Not the book, I think it was like a copy of the DVD,
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but it was like this collector's edition type of thing.
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Really?
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Yeah, and I was like, dad why the fuck do you have this?
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This is... you don't believe in this kind of garbage?
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He's like, I have that.
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I don't know why I have that.
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Someone... the company that made it apparently sent it to him.
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No!
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Hoping to get some sort of an endorsement.
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Because they sent him swag in order for him to promote it?
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Yeah, hoping to get like a blurb or something I think.
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Right, right, right.
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And he gave them a firm no thank you, which I thought was nice.
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But I don't know why.
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I think it's just the sort of thing that you just keep stuff.
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Yeah.
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Like books and things are really hard for my parents to get rid of.
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Oh, I'm right there with you.
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Yeah.
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I've had to force myself to not go to bookstores and only like buy ebooks.
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Otherwise I would be covered.
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I'll tell you what will cure you of that.
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House fire.
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My house burned down years ago and I had a giant library of books.
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I told myself I was going to rebuild it.
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Yeah.
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And then afterwards I just realized like,
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these are kind of impermanent, you know, like whatever.
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It takes up a lot of space and so now I'm much more selective of what books I keep around
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and what I just find PDFs of or what I read on Kindle.
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Yeah.
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So that'll cure you.
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But I still will say I do fetishize actual books.
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Oh, they're so good.
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There's something very fun about the turn of the page.
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It's so beautiful.
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The tactile feel.
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Absolutely.
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Mouth feel for a book.
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Mouth feel for a book.
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So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones
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and I've read a lot of books about his bullshit.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones
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and I've read zero books about his bullshit.
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Correct.
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Jordan, so today we are going back to the past because I want to tell you this.
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I wanted to stay in the present because I think it's an exciting time for Alex Jones
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right now in 2019.
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Sure.
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But I realized after our last episode that pretty much the next week is going to just
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be him talking about that Project Veritas Google video.
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For sure.
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And I think I said about all I need to say about it on our last episode.
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It's garbage filled with lies.
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Right.
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So why spend more time going over him yelling about it?
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Yeah.
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Not a lot of value there.
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So we're back in the past in our 2013 investigation
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going over what Alex Jones did in the aftermath of Sandy Hook.
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And today we're going over the 14th and 15th of February 2013.
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If you'll recall on our last installment,
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Alex had started to turn a little bit of a corner on Christopher Dorner.
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Yes.
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Oh boy.
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I'm nothing is not a broadcaster.
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So Chris Dorner died.
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He killed himself on the 12th.
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Yes.
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And so on the 13th, Alex started to compare the situation of his death to Waco,
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which is something that Alex is very...
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Super cool with.
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He loves the Branch Davidians and thinks that the government killed them.
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And so him comparing Dorner to Waco is a big deal.
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Yeah.
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Like that's something that indicates a position on his part.
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So I'm very interested to see where things go on this installment.
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And we will find out.
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But first, got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are supporting
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the show and make this whole thing possible.
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Wonderful.
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So first, Mike, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Mike.
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Next, Nick.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Nick.
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Next, Jamie Lee.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Jamie Lee.
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Thank you very much, Miss True Lies.
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Curtis.
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Oh, okay.
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Isn't that Britney Spears sister's name too?
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Jamie Lee Spears?
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Jamie Lynn, maybe.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, also like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
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And we appreciate that very much.
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So, Benjamin, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why are you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much, Benjamin.
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Thank you very much, Benjamin.
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And finally, got to say thank you.
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A very special thank you to somebody who is very kindly designed a couple of new shirts
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that we have up for sale.
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And we can't express our appreciation more.
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Cannot thank him enough.
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L-A art Lardist.
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It's a good portmanteau and we appreciate it.
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That is also his website too, lardist.com.
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So there's, you know, in our spheres, there's only one way to express such gratitude that
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we have, and that is to declare you, Lar, a raptor princess.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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I know how to read.
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I am out of control.
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I've never really seen a lot of white racism in my life.
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I really haven't.
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I bet you money there are few living black people that have been abused by white people
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as much as I have been abused by black people.
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Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin.
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Both those guys were complete badasses.
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Complete studs.
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Thank you so much, Lar.
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We appreciate it.
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You're incredible.
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So Jordan, today we are here.
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We are getting into it.
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We're down to the nitty gritty.
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February 14th.
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Valentine's Day?
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Is that what it is?
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I don't know.
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Do we know?
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No, neither of us are Valentine's Day supporters, I suppose.
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It feels like it's Valentine's Day.
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I don't know if that's one of those like Thanksgiving that's always on a specific day of the week.
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Or if it's the number or the Thursday after the...
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Honestly, don't know.
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Could be Valentine's Day.
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Could be.
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Is love in the air?
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Love is in the air.
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Okay.
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Alex has love for all the Christians of the world.
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Now, where are Christians who believe in the second coming of Christ doing anything?
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They're the most law-abiding, goody-two-shoes, neurotically good people out there.
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On record.
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Everybody knows that.
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Disagree.
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Oh, but we're the terrorists, ladies and gentlemen.
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We're the people.
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We're the people who work 17 hours a day.
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We're the people that go to church.
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We're the people that pay all the fake taxes and bow down to the system.
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And we're the...
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No, no.
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What we are is the milk cow, the slave out in the barn who they don't want getting uppity.
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So, I would like to direct Alex's attention to the Christian identity movement.
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That's a pretty good debunking of the...
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Because what he's doing is trying to universalize, and that's not cool.
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There's nothing necessarily terroristic about Christianity or anything like that,
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but to say that the group doesn't include some is duplicitous.
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Well, and furthermore, what he just described are the things that somebody says
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right before they become a terrorist.
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You know, like, we're working 17 hours a day.
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We're fighting all of these fights.
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We're paying these fake taxes.
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We need to stop this by and then...
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Bombing a federal building.
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Undescore.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like all the people he pretends were set up.
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Right, right, right.
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So, this is a real slow start to this February 14th episode.
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And it's the sort of thing where it's almost even tough
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from the beginning of it to pull clips out of,
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because it's like, well, he's just saying shit.
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It's just nonsense.
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Yeah.
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So, I decided to take this opportunity to play this clip
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that I think is indicative of so much of the word salad that he uses to make his point.
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Like, nothing in this next clip is saying anything.
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Okay.
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But it's the sort of thing that populates so much of his, like, time filling.
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And the general public has this auto response,
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this conditioned, learned helplessness, normalcy bias, mass Stockholm syndrome,
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Overton window, cowardly, crime stop, 1984.
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Will you guys bring me that box of Fruit Lips in there?
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It's in the shipping department.
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That is such a good indication of just like, I'm swinging from the monkey bars
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and I do not know where my next, my arm needs to go next.
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It's just learned helplessness, Overton window.
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Cowards, the Jewellosco dogs are everywhere.
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Can I get something to eat real quick?
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Is anybody waiting on you right now?
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I should say that the, what Alex is doing,
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he doesn't just want Fruit Loops because he's hungry.
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One of his staff members has found a box of Fruit Loops that says one plus one equals five.
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Oh my God.
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So this is a thing.
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This is 1984.
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Yeah, 1984 in a Fruit Loops box, trying to train your kids that one plus one equals five.
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I think what it has to do with is like one and one are Fruit Loops and milk,
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and then five is like five nutrients or something like that.
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I get the sense that it's something like that that Alex has turned it into.
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Like it's DoubleSpeak on a Fruit Loops box.
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Why do they spell fruit?
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F-R-O-O-T.
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I'll tell you why, globalists.
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They're trying to dumb down the population.
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That sounds right.
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So at some point, Alex does get into some actual issues
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and he starts talking about the Christopher Dorner situation.
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And up until this point, I think that he's done a bad job of it.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Especially with his rhetoric that's run so through the coverage of,
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Hey man, you think this is bad?
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Yeah.
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See what happens when you take our guns.
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We will murder all cops.
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1.6 million people are going to murder every cop in America.
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It's just going to happen.
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I feel like that line of rhetoric is not good.
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Probably not.
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I think this one is kind of worse.
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By the way, I've analyzed what this guy did.
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He didn't have actually that much training and didn't do a very good job.
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And they're now admitting that of evading and all the rest of this stuff.
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Uh, by the way, if anybody with real training ever wanted to kill police,
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it's pretty easy to do.
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You go to the police station and you wait until there's a shift change.
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Is he giving us step-by-step secrets here?
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That's that real, uh, people trained in this type of stuff would, would not already know.
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So he's giving advice on how to kill more cops.
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And then he's justifying saying that on air by being like,
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Hey, it's not like anybody who doesn't actually want to commit a mass terrorist
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attack doesn't already know that.
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Right.
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Hey dude, cut it out.
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Right.
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That doesn't help.
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So he's thought a lot about killing cops.
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That's what we're...
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Well, he's read a lot of books that probably are about the fantasies of killing cops.
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Yes, I would say so.
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And what's really interesting about that is Alex is almost taking offense at the idea
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that people are saying that he was trained.
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And planned this.
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Exactly.
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Almost as if to say like, nah, our guys are trained.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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I was almost like, wait, is there some, is there some racism built deep down within that?
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No, I don't think it's racism.
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Cause he's like, well, Dorner obviously wasn't trained, you know, like, like we trained the...
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Yeah.
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I don't think it's racism.
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I think it's a, like, uh, uh, like you guys haven't seen from train.
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Right.
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My Patriot militia buddies are crazy.
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They are trained.
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It's almost like the very fact that you caught him means that he wasn't good enough.
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I think there's a piece of that.
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If we were trained, you know, like we're 1.6 million gun owners.
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We're going to zip in, kill one cop each and then disappear into the ether.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's more of a, uh, threat.
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I mean, it's, it's more of that, like, uh, we're worse than this.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Which I agree.
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I think it's, I think it's a great thing to tell everybody.
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Yeah.
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Uh, strange, strange brag, uh, but okay.
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Okay, so Alex has a couple guests on this show on this, uh, uh, February 14th episode.
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And the first one is a guy who is a dentist.
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All right.
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I guess.
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Does he have a telescope?
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He doesn't have a telescope that I know of, but here's Alex introducing him.
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He has a bunch of other medical degrees as well.
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I won't get into all those, but he's one of the major formulators of things like, uh,
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the products in jeopardy has like pollen burst plus available, I should add, uh, at info wars,
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team.com or enforce health.com.
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But that's a side issue today.
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Dr.
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Gold, give us your report.
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You're there on the area.
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You live there.
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You're a syndicated talk show host out of California.
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You've got the sources.
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What is going on?
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So he's got this guy, Corey gold, Dr.
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Corey gold, who is just a young jeopardy, uh, spokesperson.
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There is no other reason to have him on the show.
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Alex is presenting him there.
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You heard it as someone who lives in Southern California.
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So somehow he has a unique perspective on the Dorner situation, but that's fucking ridiculous.
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There's millions of people who live in California that Alex could have just as easily talked
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to.
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He's a syndicated radio host.
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He has like two stations.
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He is not a big time radio host.
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He has no expertise in the area that Alex is talking about.
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This is just a shoehorned infomercial for young jeopardy, which is what the interview
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ends up deteriorating into because of course it does.
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It's the only reason he's on the show and Alex is stretching so far to make it relevant.
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Like, Oh yeah, we got a young jeopardy guy who's out in California.
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Give us the dirt on what it's like in California.
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Also, let's talk about pollen.
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Sure.
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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's crazy.
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There's, there's a lot of immigrants coming in, but you didn't tell me a little bit about
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pollen birds.
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So unethical because it just, it does, he doesn't have much to say about the Dorner
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situation.
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That's not already like just, he's read an article and he's just repeating what's in
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an article, which doesn't make him the most attractive expert.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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His dentistry doesn't seem relevant.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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CIA dentist.
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Dorner wasn't killed by a giant tooth.
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So I don't know what dentistry is going to come into this, but here's a indication of
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how things go.
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This is, this is really how the interview is.
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Under US code title 50 chapter 32 subsection 1528 paragraph B, they can do lethal testing
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on you as long as it's testing.
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They can kill you.
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And I think that's reasonable.
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I think the government's God and I think Dr. Corey Gold is an extremist.
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Don't go to mfallwartshealth.com.
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Don't get pollen birds plus whatever you do.
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So that's kind of an indication of the vibe of this interview.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's not great.
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And bringing out his dumb bullshit about that subsection and then sarcastically not plugging
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Young Jevity.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Don't even do it.
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There's long stretches where they're like presumably talking about it in service of
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the news and they just talk about how great the products are.
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It's crazy.
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It's embarrassing.
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Like anybody else would be embarrassed to behave like this, but not Alex.
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It's a secret weapon to have zero shame.
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It is, well, not a secret weapon.
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Now it's the most powerful weapon in the United States.
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It's so interesting that you bring that up because that's so relevant to Alex's next
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guest.
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Alex...
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Paul Manafort.
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No.
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Probably some connections.
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But here he brings up who his next guest is in service of trying to be like...
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I mean, this goes back to his Piers Morgan obsession a little bit, but...
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Here we go.
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But the producer, once the cameras were off were, yes, you're right.
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It's the highest ratings we ever had.
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I want to get you back on, but certain people don't.
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Well, Morgan told me he didn't want to because I smashed his butt and I haven't really been
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talking about that the last few weeks, but I wanted to ask Joseph Farah.
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I don't know what he's going to say.
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I haven't talked to him yet.
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I got him on about all this stuff that's happening.
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Gun confiscation bills in Washington state.
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So Alex is pretending that he doesn't talk much about the Piers Morgan stuff, which is
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ludicrous.
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He talks about it all the fucking time.
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Rarely talks about it.
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But he wants to ask Joseph Farah what he thinks about it.
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Do you know who Joseph Farah is?
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I do not.
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Joseph Farah is the founder of WorldNetDaily, one of the absolute worst large-scale news
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sites online and one of Alex's main sources of information.
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Now, his history is a real interesting subject and possibly one that I would love to get
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into much more deeply on another day.
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I meant to do a deep dive on his stupidity and how he found his way to WorldNetDaily
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only after running multiple other outlets out of business, how Farah is directly responsible
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for Trump's birther claims, and maybe even have a chance to look into the trends that
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are clearly on display when you look at the books that WorldNetDaily chooses to publish.
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But my research went off track just a little bit when I ran into a Salon article that made
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an interesting point that dovetails into what you were just saying about Shane.
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WorldNetDaily was founded in 1997.
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And for years, they enjoyed a very similar position in media that Alex did.
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They said crazy shit that the mainstream conservative press wouldn't.
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They floated conspiracy theories.
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They trafficked in explicitly coded bigotry just as a business model.
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But now, in 2019, they are falling apart in much the same way Alex Jones' business is.
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Both of these organizations claim that their downfall is being caused by an oppressive
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tech company obsessed with driving them out of business because their message is too dangerous.
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But this Salon article, written by Amanda Marcotte, makes a really interesting point.
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No one cares about WorldNetDaily and Infos anymore because Fox News is now doing what
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they used to do, but with a better budget and more access to talent.
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As the article says, quote,
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conservative audiences who want to wallow in right-wing fantasy world,
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where women have abortions for fun, roving gangs of immigrants are coming to kill you,
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and globalists are running elaborate secretive conspiracies to steal America from white people,
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no longer have to turn to WorldNetDaily with its subpar web design and often incomprehensibly
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written articles. The conspiracy theories and racist paranoia those audiences crave
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is being served up in a slick, professional style at Fox News,
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in the mouths of supposedly reputable pundits like Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity.
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I wouldn't even give them a supposedly.
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Whatever. It's a matter of perspective.
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But that's a really good point.
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For years, Joseph Farah and Alex Jones served a crucial role in the conservative cycle.
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They drove tons of votes to right-wing candidates,
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but they really only were useful as long as people in power never acknowledged them.
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As soon as politicians, particularly Trump,
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began trying to trying to help the direct that they publish become more mainstream,
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it was only a matter of time before WorldNetDaily and Infowars started to have
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actual competition pop up, and it really appears that neither of them were up to the challenge.
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So ultimately, what you have with Joseph Farah is a scammy loser who found a really profitable niche
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in a market that most people had too much dignity to enter.
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Then, along came Trump, who lowered the bar of what's dignified so far,
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that people who would previously have been ashamed to traffic in Farah's brand of bullshit
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found themselves in a position where it was no longer career suicide to roll around in that shit.
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One little thing that's fun about Trump and Farah.
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In 2011, when Trump was getting going with his shit about Obama's birth certificate,
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he literally called Joseph Farah and then WorldNetDaily employee Jerome Corsi constantly,
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quote, looking for affirmation that he was on the right track.
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Farah told the New York Times that he was impressed
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with how many hours Trump was willing to put into the birth certificate issue.
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It's nuts.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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This is, this is so, so fucked up.
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I hate that.
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It's like, it's like how we talked about how Alex is served by anti-Semites,
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uh, out and out anti-Semites saying that he's a shill for Israel.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But if out and out anti-Semites were just acceptable mainstream shit,
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then Alex would probably just be like, okay, cool, then we'll just do that now.
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In the same way that Fox News used to ignore that shit, now that they,
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now that it's just fine, they're like, cool, we'll, we'll hate that in the right way.
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And it's true by degrees too, because now because of that, because of the phenomenon
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that's happening that we're seeing where what Alex used to do is being done better
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by Fox News and other more heavily funded outlets that now have the Overton window
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shifted so far that's like, all right guys, it's cool now.
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Yeah, open season.
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Yeah.
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Now, Alex, you see a much more overt white nationalism and white supremacy,
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white identity ideas being expressed.
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Things that he probably would have been, uh, too, not interested in touching,
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let's say seven, eight years ago, now is fine for him.
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He would speak in code back then.
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Whereas now there is a real, real fucking trend of, of saying things pretty fucking overtly.
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Right.
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And I think, I think it's just because he's suffering the same thing.
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And, uh, well, he's responding the same way to those, um,
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beneath the surface, ugly things, uh, in the same way that Fox does to him.
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Yes.
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He's just lower on the totem pole.
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Right, right, right.
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And you can see it by going back to this point, like, I mean, Corey Gold's not a good guest,
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but Joseph Farah is like a big deal in the conservative media sphere.
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Like he's, he's, he's the guy who runs WorldNetDaily.
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That's a get in some circles.
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Can you, can we just acknowledge that we're listening to an episode in 2013 where he's,
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he's saying that we're going to kill 1.6 million cops.
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And right now you and I are both like, man, in the good old days,
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he wouldn't have been this bad.
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But at least it's sort of a hypothetical.
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Right, exactly.
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That's how much worse it is now.
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Well, what I'm getting at too is like, you got Joseph Farah on here and like,
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he has some guests that are, even in 2013, he has some guests that are like, well,
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that's someone who'd never come on now.
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Now you flash forward to the present day.
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It's like Count Dankula is on.
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Yeah, the level of people he's talking to have also deteriorated.
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It's, it's, uh, it's nuts.
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So I don't know.
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Anyway, Joseph Farah sucks.
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And I guess if I were to describe him, I do, I do think I would like to do more about him
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and I would have loved to do that today, but in order to do that, it would be like
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another fucking hour of this show.
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I just decided we'll get to it later.
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He's going to be back on.
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Right, right, right.
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We're not worried.
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But if I were to describe him to you, I would say he is Alex Jones with a mustache.
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Okay.
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That's basically it.
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All right.
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Because think about it.
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He runs a media operation.
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He doesn't, I don't think he has a radio show, but he has a media operation that is serving
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almost an identical interest that Alex is.
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They pitch similar stories.
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Alex uses them as a source all the time.
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It's basically, it's two guys who are in league with each other in a pop, like a propaganda
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ping pong kind of thing, getting together and having a quote unquote interview.
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Right.
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So it's like a telenovela except for both twins are the evil twin.
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It doesn't matter which one has the mustache.
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Yes, that would be fair.
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So Farrah is about to come up on the show, but before we get to that, Alex, he has to
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come back from commercial laughing about a commercial that he heard.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this hour of broadcast is brought to you by the Squatty Potty, our
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new sponsor.
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All right.
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Joseph Ferris, our guest.
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I heard that network.
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Adam is laughing really hard.
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I'm sorry.
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I just, what, what are they not going to think of next?
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I mean this.
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So this is, this is just trying to reinforce my new thesis that Alex thinks poop is hilarious.
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Is he 80 years old?
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What is this?
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What are they going to think of next?
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He loves fucking scat humor, man.
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It's crazy.
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He, I almost never hear sincere, genuine laughter from him that doesn't involve fecal matter.
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It's crazy.
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Weird.
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So here we go.
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We get to Farrah and his interview and this was like a real troubling thing for me because
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this is the first thing you hear from Joseph Farrah.
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The whole Dorner situation and then the police on now six different feeds saying, burn it
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down, burn the house down.
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And they're telling us that's not what that meant.
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It was reminding me of Waco.
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I don't know if that's a fake laugh.
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From him, from Alex.
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Oh, from Farrah.
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I think it might be real.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty fucked up.
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Like Alex is bringing up this, this situation and Farrah thinks it's funny.
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Yeah, well, I mean, when you say something about Christopher Dorner killing people and
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how it's a lot like Waco, the correct human response is maniacal laughter, like a James
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Bond fucking villain.
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Yeah.
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That took, that took me aback.
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Yeah.
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I thought that was a little bit upsetting.
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So they, they talk about it a little bit.
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It's not really all that interesting, their positions on the situation.
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It doesn't, there's no real development.
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There's no, nothing fresh.
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But in this next clip, Alex is trying to ask Joseph Farrah about Chris Kyle, the American
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sniper guy who had just been murdered like a week prior.
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Oh boy.
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And it turns out, I don't think that Joseph Farrah knows who Chris Kyle is.
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Really?
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Do you think the Chris Kyle sniper getting killed that way, in all the different stories,
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a little suspicious, it just really weird that that guy would get killed?
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Well, yeah, I mean, you know, they had him surrounded, you know, it's kind of reminiscent
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of a, well, I mean, it's, you know, it might be a bit of a stretch, but you know, Waco,
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Ruby Ridge, back in the day, he thinks he's talking about Chris Dorner.
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He still thinks he's talking about Chris Dorner.
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He doesn't recognize, and Alex said sniper, Chris Kyle sniper and Farrah, it doesn't register,
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but he does go on to it's like Waco, which makes me think that that's what he's talking
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about, which makes me think that that might be a talking point for these dudes.
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Oh, you think?
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I think this might be something that is pretty universal in this Alex Jones world net daily
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matrix of propaganda.
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Yeah.
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It's weird.
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With them, especially, they could have had their own pre-production meeting where Alex
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was texting him the night before saying like, isn't this a lot like Waco?
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And then they're like, we're going to make hay out of that all day tomorrow.
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I mean, who knows if they did or didn't?
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Probably didn't.
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But it does seem like, you know, at least Joseph Farah has a like, this might be a stretch,
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which is like a little, a little.
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So their interview stinks.
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There's nothing else really worth covering in it.
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So we're going to jump away from it and now get to the point where Alex starts taking
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some calls.
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And man, so we have some real big winners in the caller category.
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All right.
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I like it.
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Well, not now.
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Oh, God damn it.
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We have.
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Oh, okay.
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We have, of course, Old Man House Phone.
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Of course.
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Bible Dan.
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Bible Dan.
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Bible Dan for sure.
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We've got some winners that we're starting to recognize as like real regular folks.
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And I've heard this dude before, but I don't know of anything.
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Like, I don't remember when we've run into him, but I've heard this fucking guy on the
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show before.
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And as soon as I heard his voice, I was like, oh, what's he going to say?
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The point is this General Colin Pollups, he's inciting and agitating these Negroes by
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saying there's a black pain or what was it?
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Dark pain of racism in the Republic.
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I remember you.
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You have been calling for about 15 years or 16 years.
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You always call him and talk about black people, right?
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You've been listening like 16 years, haven't you?
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Alex thinks it's funny that he's got this old racist color.
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His response to that.
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He's agitating the blacks.
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Alex laughs.
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That's so weird.
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That's not that weird.
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Oh man, I know, but just living in a world where it's like, uh, I'm going to have this
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dude on my radio show.
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I'm going to let him get away with calling him General Colin Pollups, which like, all
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right.
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And then just go, he's agitating the Negroes and nobody's like hitting the no, no, no,
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get him up.
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Nobody's doing that.
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Nobody's bothered by that at all.
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No.
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It's hilarious.
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Why would you be?
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It's just a nice little fun jaunt down memory lane when old white people roamed the earth
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like gods.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that was, that was kind of a, uh, I mean, that shocked me.
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It was like a little bit of cold water splashed on my face when he's like, he's a Colin
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Pollups.
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I'm like, is that a different person?
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Is he referencing someone I am not aware of?
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No, it turns out Colin Powell.
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Uh, cool.
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So what I think is really interesting is that Alex thinks that that guy is being pretty
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funny and he loves it.
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And then it's interesting to me how he responds because in this next clip you see very clearly
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that Alex can't outwardly agree with this guy, but at the same time he can't push back
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against him.
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Alex is in this very weird space where he can't fight with the guy who's saying something
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clearly racist on the show.
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And at the same time, if he agrees with them, he's like, yeah, he is agitating the blacks.
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Then it becomes a thing where it's like, Oh, Alex, gotcha.
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So he has to dance this very delicate dance.
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But they have attacked the whites and how many polyps does Colin Powell have in his
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colon?
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Colin Powell.
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How many polyps does he have?
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He needs a squatty potty.
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Our new sponsor.
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Let me ask you a question.
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Do you have a squatty potty?
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I don't want to check his stool specimen.
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That's enough, folks.
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I'm sorry.
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I've been screwing around and joking more and more on air.
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It's just, I've reached a point, get it off the screen, get it off.
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Earlier I hear this ad on the network.
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I'm like, what is that?
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And then it turns into this big debate.
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Chris is like, it's actually quite healthy.
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The whole, that's hilarious.
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Then invariably the camping stories began.
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Look, the whole point here is this place is out of control.
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We have uploaded my visit to the biggest grocery store, excuse me, biggest gas station in the
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world.
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He just hangs up on the guy by riffing about the squatty potty some more because he realizes
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that he's in that like no win situation.
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He doesn't want to alienate the racist, but at the same time, he doesn't want to overly
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agree with them publicly.
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So he has to just, ah, squatty potty.
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Right, right, right.
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Well, you saw in the previous clip, whenever he makes that little pause before he says
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black and you're like, you know what word you were, that you stopped, you started it
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and you were like, I don't want that to be coming out of my mouth.
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That can be my caller's mouth, but not mine.
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And I think right thinking people see behavior like that as erring on the side of the racist.
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I think when you behave that way, when someone says racist things to you on your radio show
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and you refuse to be like, hey, now, yeah, that means you are at least tacitly or explicitly
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supporting the racist position that that caller is expressing.
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So I think that's what's going on now.
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That call is whatever, you know, it's interesting to see Alex dance like that.
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But what I think is really fascinating is what's revealed by this next caller.
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This is devastating to Alex's presumed credibility.
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I have five squads.
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Pleasure to talk to you, my friend.
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Thank you.
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And I just wanted to say that, are you familiar with with Gregor Mendel?
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You know, that kind of rings a bell.
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How do you say Gregor Mendel?
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Yeah, Gregor Mendel.
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No, tell me about it.
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Wow.
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First, someone who's made his whole career railing against the eugenicist globalists
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and how they have all these ideas about breeding and natural selection and all.
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He doesn't know who fucking Gregor Mendel is.
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Nope.
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How embarrassing is that?
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Are we sure that he made it all the way to community college and didn't fail freshman biology?
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I don't know.
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He does bring up his education on the 15th and we'll get to that.
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That is disqualifying.
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Yeah.
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That's disqualifying.
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I understand if you're like, I don't know a specific thing about his P.E. experiments
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or something like that, but if a caller calls in and is like, hey, do you know about Gregor
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Mendel?
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And you're like, no, tell me about it.
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That means you don't know shit.
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No, of course not.
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I understand Alex doesn't have all the information at his disposal or he only knows the broad
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strokes, but to be caught off guard by a caller bringing up Mendel is like, you don't know
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dick, man.
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That's nuts.
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That to me unacceptable.
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And particularly unacceptable because his enemies are eugenicists.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That is really what makes it like that would be like if someone came up to me and was like,
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yeah, you know, do you know who John Birch is?
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Like, I don't know.
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Tell me about it.
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I think I think that name rings a bell.
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Do you know who the John Birch Society is?
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Like I am.
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I study Alex Jones.
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It would be insane for me to not know some of the spiritual precursors of it.
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He fights against the globalist eugenicists to not know where the ideas that underlie
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eugenics come from.
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Crazy.
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From just the birth of genetics as a concept.
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Just period.
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It's called Mendelevia.
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You wouldn't consider eugenics without the just regular genetics.
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Bingo.
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Also, who will kick your ass and your family tree?
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Conor McGregor Mendel.
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Thank you very much.
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That's a nice before and after on Jeopardy.
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One of my favorites on that was Helen of Troy Aikman.
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Strong work on Jeopardy's part.
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Who launched a thousand ships and won the million touchdowns?
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Maybe not a million.
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So I thought this caller's voice was familiar, too, but I couldn't quite place it until he
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said this.
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I myself am a pioneer research scientist and I'm kind of like Gregor Mendel.
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Oh, and see, as far as the GMOs, this should not be going on.
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You don't mess around with DNA and this they don't realize.
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So I was like, oh, pioneer research.
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Where have we heard that before?
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I was going to say we've totally heard pioneer research before.
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He called in.
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What is pioneer research?
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He called in on the January 18th show.
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Here's him from when he called in when Mike Adams was co-hosting the show and talking
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to Andrew Wakefield.
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Dr. Wakefield, I just want to say it's really a pleasure, sir, to be talking to you.
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I myself actually am one of America's few remaining pioneer research scientists, but
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it's such a good coincidence that you happen to be on.
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I have no idea what that means.
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I tried to look into it to see if it is some sort of a real designation of something.
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It's not.
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It's just a general term.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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But I love it.
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Here's what I love.
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I love the idea that now we've gotten to a point with listening to this show that there
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is a cast of peripheral characters that keep calling in.
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And now we're like, pioneer scientist is back.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Old man house phone, racist guy.
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It really indicates to me that the pool of callers is much smaller than it appears.
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Yeah.
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There's just a lot of people that you kind of forget or people who aren't distinctive
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enough in their nonsense that you like, if that guy didn't say I'm a pioneer scientist,
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I wouldn't remember that he had called in a month previous.
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Yeah, because you know what you can't ever forget?
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The words pioneer scientist coming out of somebody's mouth genuinely.
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Yeah, I think that was an avalanches song.
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Yeah, pioneer scientist.
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That's frontier psychiatrist.
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Actually, that makes just as much sense.
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Pioneer scientist, pioneer researcher and frontier psychiatrist.
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What does that mean?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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You're a nut.
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That's what it means.
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Pioneer scientist is crazy in the coconuts.
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So yeah, I love that.
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I think that maybe one of the focuses that I'm going to have moving forward is like really
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trying to keep track of these callers.
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And I would love it if, okay, let's say this podcast falls apart someday and I end up
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needing to find a new project.
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Right.
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I think a great thing to do would be try and find some of these callers.
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I would love to talk to the pioneer scientist.
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Right, right, right.
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Well, of course.
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Could you imagine a documentary about one of America's last pioneer scientists?
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How awesome would that documentary be?
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I think old racist man is probably dead.
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And I wouldn't be surprised if old man house phone isn't with us anymore.
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Yep.
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Or it'd be tough to get a hold of.
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Frontier psychiatrist seems like he's a git.
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He's probably doable.
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He seems like he could get there.
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Bible Dan is probably still kicking out there somewhere.
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I did try and find him, but it's very difficult to Google Bible Dan because Daniel's a book
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in the Bible.
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It's a little bit tougher.
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Yeah.
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You're gonna have to go far past the first search results.
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Yeah.
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So Alex doesn't know who Gregor Mendel is and a pioneer scientist is back.
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That makes this episode worthwhile by itself.
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Right.
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And that guy thinks that comparing himself to Gregor Mendel in 2013 in the field of genetics
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is a really good designation.
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Well, he's on the GMO tip.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Great.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't have much to say about the issue.
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Doesn't really understand how Mendel's research has kind of moved on from there.
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Like we've kind of expanded a little bit past like some beans are white.
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He's not interested in that.
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He's interested in pioneers.
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So dude, here's what's interesting about looking back at this stretch of time.
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Like if I were just to tell you early 2013, you would have no idea what happened, right?
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Right.
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You don't have any sense of what went on in the world then necessarily.
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And sure, you know, the Sandy Hook shooting was December 2012, but that's a huge news
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event.
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And then we go a little bit further through and, you know, the Dorner situation is that
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was a huge news event.
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And here's another one that you forgot happened probably in February 2013 that is huge.
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This was on the 15th.
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Well, obviously this is going to be another riveting and extremely important and informative
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and hopefully awakening transmission today.
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It is the 15th day of February 2013, and we've got a pretty serious situation going on.
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I mean, statistically, we don't really know how often large asteroids hit the earth, but
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we know that a few hours ago and the videos up at info wars.com and present planet.com.
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A large asteroid came into the atmosphere and looked to me like a stone meteor, because
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those are the types that break up and explode like this.
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Sure.
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Just dozens and dozens of sound waves being broken.
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So you hear dozens and dozens of different sound barriers being broken.
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Different sound barriers being broken.
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Absolutely spectacular.
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And it looks to me from the different videos and angles I've seen, it is not just one meteor
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coming in.
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And the larger question is, is this part of a spur?
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Because if you watch movies like Armageddon, they're actually accurate.
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And then a lot of times large asteroids got knocked out of the asteroid belt by some larger
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collision.
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So there'll be a group of rocks.
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So what's going on is, do you remember this?
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This was the, uh, is this when
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Is this when we were talking about, uh, oh, this is a different thing?
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Well, for days now, Alex has been talking about how this giant meteor or asteroid is
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going to pass by the earth and the government saying that it's not going to hit us, but
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they're there, you know, who knows?
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Yeah, it was like within 30,000 miles.
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I think it was 17,000 or 17 million.
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Who knows?
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It's space.
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It was very close relatively, but it wasn't the, it wasn't the sort of thing where anyone
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was like, it's going to hit us.
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Right, it was a near earth object, and we all had a big conversation about how much
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shit is going on.
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How interesting it is.
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And Alex, to his credit, up till this point, has been pretty on the side of, it's nothing
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to worry about.
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The government are liars, but don't worry about it.
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It's not going to hit us.
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Right.
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Now, on the 15th, another object flew over Russia.
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Do you not remember this?
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I don't remember this.
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There were tons of videos of it.
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It's pretty, pretty amazing.
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Yeah.
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This piece of a meteor came in and actually made it through the atmosphere and didn't
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kill anybody, but it did end up injuring like a thousand people in a town in Russia.
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Yeah.
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And so because it happened on the same day that this other near earth object was going
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to make its closest pass, Alex has combined the two and is now trying to insinuate that,
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I've been saying that it's not going to hit us, but maybe it is.
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It sounds like he just said that we need to duck and cover or what's his prescription
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for not getting murdered by an asteroid.
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It's really weird because up till this point, it's been really like non-sensational,
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just like, it's the closest something's ever come, but it's nothing to be concerned
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about.
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And I was like, now that this has happened in Russia, what's his take going to be?
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Is he going to go Y2K on us?
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Yeah, it seems like he has to.
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I wasn't sure.
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And it's interesting to see how this develops because it's pretty irresponsible, I would
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say.
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And until they documented that strike and other strikes, they thought that it was every
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million years or so, just dead reckoning that a large asteroid hits the earth that could
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cause a extinction like level event.
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Now they estimate maybe every hundred thousand or so.
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That's why there's evidence of other human civilizations that we don't even know the
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names of, but in fables, they're known as Atlantis.
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And people like Plato, who was pretty mainline historian and philosopher, they report about
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Atlantis like it was absolutely well known that it existed.
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And they found a lot of ruins of cities and things in the Mediterranean and the Atlantic,
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but it's been so eroded, they just know it's large stone blocks and things that have been
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built.
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So undoubtedly, humans have been through a lot.
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Yeah, I mean, we've been through a lot.
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Yeah, that's true.
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I agree with the conclusion.
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I don't agree with how you got there.
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No, I think he's right.
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There's so much that's a problem there.
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He's talking about like other meteor strikes.
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People have uncovered it.
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We used to think it was way less common than it is, but it happens.
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Right.
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And actually, it's way more common than Alex is even saying.
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Like there's so many little tiny things that fall all over the place that cause no damage.
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No one even notices.
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Right.
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Like little minuscule things, just space dust, basically.
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Right.
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That ends up hitting.
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So like that point is taken.
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But what he's doing is trying to be like, you know, who knows?
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You know, this is big one that's coming.
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We pretend that it never happens, but it could fucking happen.
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Atlantis used to be around.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, great.
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That one doesn't make any sense, though, because if that meteor, if like one hundredth of it
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had fallen to Earth, we would all have been dead.
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Like the entire Earth would have been just destroyed completely, or at least for human
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life.
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I mean, you would cause like a nuclear winter.
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It would be game changing, to say the least.
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Right.
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But I mean, that's no good for selling survival food.
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It's too late if you're already on the same day.
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Well, that's true.
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That is true.
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But it does help to like, even if it is the day of, it does help to just create that feeling.
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Yeah, I can see that.
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So I don't know, man.
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I would say that it's kind of erroneous to say that Plato was a mainstream historian.
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Maybe like a Tacitus.
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I'm going to go with Pliny the Elder.
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He was right all the time.
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Josephus.
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There's some historians you could pull from.
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I wouldn't be comfortable calling Plato a historian.
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Sure, he's a historical figure.
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And also, I mean, we go over this all the time, just because Atlantis is something I
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really enjoy.
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Plato didn't discuss it as if it was common knowledge.
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If anything, it's presented in the dialogues like Critias and Timaeus as being secret
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information that Solon told Plato's grandfather after Solon went to Egypt and talked to elders
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there who told him about it.
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So it's the Alex Jones-ian version from Plato.
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Right.
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It's nonsense.
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He doesn't know anything.
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But this next clip, I think, is where it starts to veer from like kind of insinuation towards
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kind of a little it's a little sensational, a little more than I want it to be.
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DA14 reportedly going to cross the closest that any asteroid has ever come to the planet
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Earth since man was able to track that in the last 60 to 70 years.
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So today, 2 24 Eastern Standard Time, 2 24 p.m.
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Eastern Standard Time.
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Today, it is set to pass the closest to the Earth that any asteroid has ever been recorded
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to pass by the Earth.
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It did not strike the Earth.
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This is not a movie.
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There is now more than a thousand people injured.
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We're only four or five hours into this.
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Paul Watson at mfallwars.com and prisonplanet.com has been absolutely on top of this with the
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most in-depth posting and reporting along with drugsreport.com that also has about,
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I don't know, 15 stories of the very latest posted up there.
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Also, Russia shot down the meteor theory spreads online.
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We're reporting on that.
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I do not believe they shot down a meteor coming in at 17,000 plus miles an hour.
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So what's interesting about that is that Alex is reporting on the theories floating around
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that Russia shot it down.
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But that theory is posted on his website.
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Him saying, I don't believe that Russia shot this down, then don't run the fucking story
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on your website about the theory floating around.
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Paul Joseph Watson has a theory that I don't believe.
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No, no, no.
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Front page of Infowars.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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I am willing to believe that Paul Joseph Watson's story was about other people having theories
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that Russia shot it down.
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But if you believe that's crazy, don't write about how people think it's crazy.
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Ah, but come on, everybody wants a good story.
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There's nothing here.
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Like this idea that Alex is like, you know, people are reporting on this Russian theory.
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You're reporting on it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but that's the trick that they all use when they want to say something like with
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Fox News where it's like Sean Hannity says something dumb and then the next day they're
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like, people are saying that this dumb thing is true.
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We're not reporting it as true.
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Alex specifically doesn't believe this.
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But doesn't he?
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No, he doesn't.
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He doesn't.
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Doesn't he want to just like.
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He's pretty consistent throughout this, that that idea that Russia shot it down is crazy.
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So that is that doesn't even explain his motivation.
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It's just you don't have to do this.
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No, he doesn't.
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You just need a better editorial standard on your website so you don't have bullshit
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that you disagree with on there.
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Probably smart.
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Whatever.
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Anyway, in this next clip, he's not saying it's going to hit the earth, but he's also
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not making me very comfortable.
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And best we can tell, DA 14, the size of a football field that would be like thousands
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of megatons if it was to hit the planet to make it all the way in.
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It would just be it would definitely cause the temperature to go down for several years.
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It would throw up tons of dust.
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NASA's got breakdowns of what it would do if it hit.
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And it again depends what angle it came in, where it came in, but it would absolutely
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be something that would change things big time.
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Really amazing to see this going on, but here's the issue.
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A lot of times large asteroids like DA 14 is going to be passing the earth here in about
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two hours and 15 minutes.
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Countdown, that is two that is two twenty four Eastern Standard Time.
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That's one twenty four central.
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That's twelve twenty four Mountain.
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Are we doing that is 10 to eleven twenty four Pacific.
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And you can adjust that for time zones around the world.
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Great.
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And it is coming again, the closest that any large asteroid to not hit the earth has ever
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been recorded coming to the earth.
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We know that again from satellites, they can now see thousands of large asteroids that
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see thousands of large craters all over the earth that look just like the moon when the
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computers remove the the foliage.
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You can see giant impact craters basically all over the planet, just like the moon.
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And so this is a regular occurrence.
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It happens all the time.
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This happens all the time.
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It could happen right now.
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You never know.
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There's a bunch of craters.
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Also, all of these times, let's get it all.
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He does that multiple times, like just gives each time zones time.
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And if you notice, that's during his show.
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He has to be on air when that happens.
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So he is pretty excited kind of about building that up.
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Yeah, the tension stick around for kind of there.
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There is an awareness of like, I will be on air when this passes.
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Yeah.
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So he doesn't want to say it's going to hit because that's stupid.
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Right.
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But he also doesn't want you to think it's totally safe because then there's no tension.
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Right.
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There's no there's no presentation to it.
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There's no performance.
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It's just a story of like, hey, there's a big thing flying over there.
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You might see like a line in the sky.
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Yeah.
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What is this?
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NPR?
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Turn the dial.
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Right, exactly.
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You want to keep eyes on the product.
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So, you know, you've got to resort to insinuation.
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You've got to resort to sort of irresponsible conjecture.
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And this is where I think like it reaches its natural conclusion.
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Does that give you an idea?
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Just a little piece.
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They're estimating that, again, it was the size of a couple of school buses, maybe.
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Can you imagine something 500 times bigger coming in?
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And that's a conservative estimate.
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I mean, of DA 14.
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It would come in, it would blow up and shoot spurs over a massive area.
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And if it hit something like London or Chicago or New York or Tokyo or Peking or
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or just Dallas, Texas, it would undoubtedly kill tens of thousands of people conservatively.
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And my only issue is I said, hey, I don't think it's going to hit the earth.
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But if there was an asteroid coming at the earth, NASA would be telling you, don't worry about it.
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It's just the instinct of government to always lie.
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So he's presenting a scenario where it's like, I don't think this is going to happen,
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but if it was going to hit us, it would be exactly like it is right now.
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Everything would be happening just like this.
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But it's probably not going to happen.
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But you should always be afraid.
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The government definitely wouldn't tell you if it was going to happen.
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I think I would be fine with that.
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What?
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If the government didn't tell me.
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I don't know what the right thing to do is, but I here's all I know.
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Whatever Alex is doing is not cool.
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No, the position of this isn't going to happen, but planting the seed of like the government lies
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to you so they would lie to you about this.
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And if that situation were happening and the meteor was about to hit,
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your experience would be just like what you're feeling right now.
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The government would have lied to you and your death warrant is a couple hours away.
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Right.
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Keep listening.
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So if the government ever tells you again that an asteroid is coming close,
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it's probably going to hit us.
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Well, it could.
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It probably will.
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So you don't know.
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So here he sort of reiterates that position.
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We're going to be getting into what's happening on that front.
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And look, I don't think this asteroid is going to hit us.
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My point was is that if the government says don't worry, nothing to worry about,
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that's when I start worrying because it is the closest 17,000 miles
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that an asteroid has ever been recorded coming by the earth that didn't hit the earth.
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This is just irresponsible conjecture.
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It's really deeply fucked up.
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He has a responsibility as somebody who has an audience to come in with facts,
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to come in with a position of having an awareness about the situation,
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not some sort of a paranoid combativeness towards experts.
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Right, right, right, right.
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You know, like all you can do with this line of rhetoric is cause people to freak out.
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That's the only thing it does.
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Yeah, and it's not him.
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He knows he knows full on when he says like, oh, anytime the government says don't worry,
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that's when I start worrying that he doesn't actually believe that.
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No, because if he did, he wouldn't be on there.
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Exactly.
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But his listeners believe that shit for sure.
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Totally.
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So he's just causing them to live in a constant state of like
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a huddled mouse underneath the goddamn church.
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Yeah, anxiety filled distrust.
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Yeah, it's gross.
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Yeah, if he believed for a second that a meteor was going to hit the earth,
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he would not be on air, he would be with his family, he'd have a bunker or something.
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You know, like if you believe anything you're saying, even close to this,
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like there's a chance because the government lies, your behavior would be completely different.
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Yeah, I think I would treat it like the eclipse.
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Remember that?
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I think I'd go out to a park and just watch it.
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Okay.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Like if you're going to go anyways, might as well see something cool.
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Well, I mean, there's a little difference in the eclipse is just some nice visual thing.
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The other is a certain death.
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Right. But I mean, at the end of the day.
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Sure. So in this next clip.
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What I'm saying is the eclipses can kill you.
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Fine.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about how it's not going to hit,
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but that doesn't mean that something really bad isn't still going to happen.
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I wouldn't hold your breath, folks.
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The asteroid, who knows though, the government could set off a bunch of nukes and say it was
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an asteroid, take our rights.
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I mean, you know, you never know what they'll do because they're so criminal.
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They're so conniving. The globalists are so sickening.
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We're on the march. The empire's on the run.
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So he has a false flag theory.
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It's a fucking asteroid false flag.
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Great.
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It was actually, I just got out of that train of thought before you started playing the clip.
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I was like, I wonder if he's going to say something like the government's going to fake
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an asteroid hitting you and that's why they're doing next thing.
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They'll set off a bunch of nukes.
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And I'm like, God damn it.
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I am too deep into this.
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Yeah.
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Once you start being able to predict where his narrative is going, it's time to check out.
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This is troublesome.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, man, it's just like, okay, so nothing is going to happen.
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But if something does happen, then it's probably the globalist setting off a nuke,
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not an actual asteroid, even though I've just spent the last,
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I don't know, hour trying to explain to you that asteroid hits happen much more than you think.
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And maybe it could happen.
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Fuck you, man.
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It could be beyond the fear and the anxiety, the paranoia.
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He's trying to confuse people too.
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Yeah.
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Because he's disjointed.
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This isn't even like a coherent position.
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No, what he's saying is literally anything can happen,
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but these are the things you should be afraid of.
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The only thing that can't happen is the government acting in good faith.
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Yes.
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All other things are entirely possible.
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No matter how ridiculous they are, the idea that they would set off a nuke
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and somehow people would believe it was a fucking asteroid hitting.
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You know, there's different things that happen when those things...
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Nope.
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Please.
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Jesus.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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So in this next clip, Alex is insulting Al Gore, which is fine.
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Not hard.
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But he does it in a really interesting way.
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I'm telling you, if Al Gore had red hair, he would look like the character
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Fat Blaber from Austin Powers.
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In fact, for TV viewers, we'll show you a shot of...
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This is behind the scenes Al Gore before he went on the Ellen DeGeneres show,
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before he went into makeup.
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So I need a flatulence tax for that guy.
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All right, that's enough.
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This is one of two times that he calls Al Gore fat bastard from Austin Powers.
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He does it twice?
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Yeah.
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On this show or like just on this show?
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Just on this show.
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Austin Powers references in 2013.
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Really?
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Get in my belly.
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Stop it.
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Stop it.
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I don't even want you referencing those references in 2019.
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Fresh.
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Fresh.
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Certainly everyone knows that there's a remarkable similarity visually
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between Al Gore and fat bastard.
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Oh, man.
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What the fuck?
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What picture must he have been looking at
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that Al Gore with red hair would immediately go to fat bastard?
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I really actually...
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I'm sorry, I should have said fat bleeper.
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Fat bleeper.
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Yeah.
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Really pissed off that Alex didn't do a get in my belly.
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Yeah.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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He's so good at impressions.
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How do you resist the fat bleeper impression?
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You couldn't even resist it.
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Get in my belly.
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I refuse to acknowledge that accent because he did it in
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So I Married an Axe Murderer for his grandfather and it just doesn't count.
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It doesn't count.
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No fat bastard references.
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I only go with his head is the size of an orange.
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That's what I do.
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So Alex at this point starts taking some calls and this is great.
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This is just Alex being a complete dick to a guy
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who didn't realize that Alex had gone to his call.
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Uh, just this is such asshole-ish behavior
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that I would love out of anybody who's not Alex Jones.
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Hello, Robert.
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Hi there.
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How are you?
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I'm good.
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Hi.
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How you doing?
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Very good.
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Am I on the internet?
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Hi.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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Are you there?
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Yes.
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Hi.
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Hi, you there?
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Hello?
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Hi.
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Uh, let me move my phone here.
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I'm joking, man.
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I'm joking.
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Instead of getting mad by callers going, hello?
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Hello?
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Hello?
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I'm just going to start doing that.
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I'm sorry.
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Go ahead.
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Did he hang up after that?
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No, it's a pointless call, but like that sort of thing
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is exactly the kind of behavior I loved on Loveline.
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Yeah, I was going to say that's Adam Carolla for you all over.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's that like, I'm stuck taking calls from these people
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and this is really frustrating to me.
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There is something you could kind of understand.
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When you do a call-in show, there's those hiccups
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that are like, this really disrupts the flow of the show.
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Super annoying.
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But from Alex, I just don't appreciate it.
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It's really mean because it also feels
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so much more sincerely angry.
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It's cruel.
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Well, perhaps.
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But even when he's saying like, I have to joke around
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because, you know, instead of getting angry, it's like,
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I feel the deep anger from you there.
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No, that's what I mean when I say cruel.
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I don't mean the action is cruel.
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I mean the intent behind it is not, it's not humor.
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It is like, I'm trying to hurt this person.
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I want them to feel pain.
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Yeah, somewhat.
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But with Alex, or with Adam and Drew on Love Line,
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it did seem much more like, we're going crazy.
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Yeah.
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We're doing this overnight radio show.
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And yeah, it seemed more like trying to entertain themselves.
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Like more of a mystery science theater feel to it.
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Right.
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Than Alex's like angry lashing out feel.
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Yeah.
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But while he's taking some calls,
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they end up talking about how he went to Piers Morgan
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back when he was on CNN.
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And then afterwards, Alex got talked about on Piers Morgan's show.
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And Buzz Bissinger, one of Piers Morgan's guests,
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threatened to kill Alex.
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Right.
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And Alex was very mad about that.
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Right.
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And then after that, Alex confronted Piers Morgan
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at a gun shop in Texas.
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And Alex starts talking about this.
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And in the middle of talking about it,
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realizes that he forgot to confront Piers Morgan
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about a murder threat, which I didn't even realize.
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But that's a big problem.
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And then the next night, they said they wanted to kill me on the show.
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Buzz Bissinger and Piers Morgan and others.
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I should have brought up to Morgan,
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you know, I promised to be nice to him.
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They let me behind stage and just surprise him in South Texas
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two weeks ago, a week and a half ago.
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I should have said, hey, why'd you say you want to shoot me?
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God.
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But it didn't matter.
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I told the gun shop owner if he let me surprise him,
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I'd be nice to him.
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Yeah, you really should have brought that up.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you.
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You should have.
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I think so.
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That is frustrating.
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Instead, you just kept begging to come back on the show.
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Yeah.
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Because that was really what you were there for, Alex.
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You don't even care that Buzz Bissinger threatened to kill you.
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Not even a little bit.
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Although it's one of Alex's only valid complaints about people.
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Right.
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I remember the brief moment of sympathy
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that we had for that circumstance.
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Certainly.
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It's a very valid thing to point out.
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Like, hey, someone on a fucking show
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said he was going to shoot me.
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Yeah, that's messed up.
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But it really brings home that that is not
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what Alex cares about.
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He only cares about that in so much as it gets him points.
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When he went and actually had Piers Morgan in front of him,
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if he cared, that should have been one of the first things
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he brought up.
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And you don't have to be a dick to him to bring it up.
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Like, hey, man, I understand that we
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have a difference of perspective on things.
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But a guest on your show said he wanted to shoot me.
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And you were fine with that.
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Right.
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Can we talk about how insane that is?
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You could do that in a polite way.
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You don't have to yell at him to bring that up.
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Right.
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And Alex didn't bring it up at all because it wasn't.
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This is days, weeks later from when he confronted Piers
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at that Texas gun shop.
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And he's only now realizing, shit.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think he's also thinking that that would have been
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a better strategy to try and get back on the show.
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Like, if he confronts Piers about that and he's like, hey,
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you let this guy say stuff like that.
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And I get pilloried for saying stuff like that.
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Oh, maybe.
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And then Piers is on the defensive.
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And they're like, well, we should have you come
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on the show to talk about that.
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Maybe that's what Alex is, ah, I should have brought that up.
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Maybe that's like, that would have been a better approach.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Shit.
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So in this next clip, Alex gets another caller.
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And this dude is like, he's on one.
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He's talking about how somebody accused him of threatening
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to shoot up a school.
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And then he went to LA and had a meeting with George Nori.
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But before the meeting, he got arrested.
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And then he was in prison and he was trying to get people
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to help him.
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His story makes no sense.
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All right.
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I like it.
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So he wants some help from Alex.
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It's very complicated.
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I'd like to, I'm almost ready to,
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I'd like to talk to one of your investigators
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and show them my documents.
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And here's the deal.
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We barely have time.
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We're working usually until about 7, 8 at night here.
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And we're totally overwhelmed just covering the news.
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And everybody thinks we can help when the government takes
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your kids for no reason, or we can help when somebody
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sets you up, or we can help.
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Sometimes we can take a case and help somebody
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if it's right there and we know we've got them.
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It's easy.
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But places like California, even though we run a lot
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of affiliates there, a lot of nice people there,
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the state's really evil.
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I mean, we might as well live in North Korea.
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So like Alex doesn't give a fuck.
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But also, I don't think that he was wrong in this case
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to not take on that dude's case.
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He said he had 30 pounds of documents.
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When you have pounds of documents, I got red flags.
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That's not how you measure.
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His story didn't make sense too.
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So Alex is like, obviously it's probably not polite
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to be like, hey buddy.
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Yeah.
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You're crazy.
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Yeah.
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So maybe his response is fine.
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But I think it underlies like a real like,
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I don't trust my own audience.
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I'm not going to help you.
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That is a waste of my resources.
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Right, right.
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And I don't really care about most of the people
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who are listening.
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I know that the government's oppressing all of us.
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And I'm going to help in the only way I can, which is yelling.
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Yeah.
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Making you scared of a meteor.
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Right.
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No, that's what I was just hearing there
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is the underlying truth behind those like, the meteor's coming
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or you can't trust the government or anything
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like that is, I am going to saddle you
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with as many fears and problems as I can.
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And I can't do anything positive for you.
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Zero positive actions.
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Now someone should.
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I hope a listener starts an organization
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that could help you positively.
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For sure.
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But that ain't me.
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I make no positive actions whatsoever.
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Nope.
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So at this point, Alex gets another guest.
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He has a guest here on the 15th.
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And this woman, I can't remember her name
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because she's going by just a single name.
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I think it's Sandy.
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She's a nurse.
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Bible Sandy?
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No.
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Bible Sandy?
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No.
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She is a nurse.
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And she had called in previously to whistle blow
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about the military giving soldiers meds.
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Sure.
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Scandalous stuff.
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Yes.
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And so they have an interview that's basically
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all just anti-science, anti-psych med bullshit.
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Right, right, right.
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And I don't really care about most of the things
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she's saying because she says a couple things
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that are markedly, they're just literally disqualifying.
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And here is the first one.
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They have these problems with them.
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What they do is they take one molecule out
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or add one molecule in, and then they change the name.
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Now PCP, angel dust, is now called Katamine.
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And it's a legitimate drug and people are being given it
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as a psych drug.
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I mean, this stuff causes amnesia.
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No, I know.
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They're giving people, quote, ketamine is the way
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I pronounce it.
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Ketamine, ketamine.
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And that's in the news.
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Yeah.
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I saw where they're putting little kids
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on ketamine, which is PCP, yeah.
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Yeah, it's PCP.
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So this is a really good, illustrative moment
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about how unreliable Alex Jones' supposed whistle blowers are.
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Here he has this nurse on who's blowing the whistle
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about dangerous psych meds.
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And she sincerely and unironically
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is arguing that PCP and ketamine are basically the same thing.
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And they only came out with ketamine
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because PCP had too much baggage.
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But the evil doctors still wanted to fuck people up.
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So they needed something else.
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So they just took a molecule out or added a molecule on.
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It's called ketamine now.
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Yeah.
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The first problem is that while the chemical underlying PCP
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was fairly popular like 70 years ago,
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it's been outlawed for medical use since 1965.
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Ketamine would be approved for human use five years later.
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But it would be absurd to say this was in response
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to PCP falling out of favor.
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Just because some things happened around the same time
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in a chronological sense doesn't mean that the prior thing
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caused the latter thing.
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Right, like the famous saying correlation equals causation.
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Bingo.
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So also PCP and ketamine are not one molecule
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off from each other.
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They're very different substances
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that cause very different effects on people.
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They both have been used as anesthetics
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at some point in history.
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So it's easy to take a completely surface level
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approach to this and say that they're similar.
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But that's a very uninformed position.
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Cocaine has been used as an anesthetic.
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The chemical makeup of PCP, or phencyclidine,
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is C17H25N.
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So you have a carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen there mixed up.
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Conversely, ketamine is C13H16CLNO.
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So it's really clear just from a basic glimpse
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there that they're very different compounds.
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For one, with ketamine, you have nine less hydrogens in there.
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So that's going to affect the structure of things
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pretty considerably, not even taking into account
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that now you've added in oxygen and chlorine.
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These are very different substances.
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And it's, like I said, disqualifying
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to hear a nurse say what she's saying.
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It indicates that she's either not actually a nurse,
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or she is one, and she doesn't know what she's talking about,
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and just trying to use her supposed professional credentials
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to strengthen her misguided anti-science views.
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Which is what you'd expect from an Alex Jones whistleblower,
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but still kind of stinks.
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I may be wrong about this, but what you described
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are the chemical compositions for a molecule, correct?
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Yeah.
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Like, so C9 and whatever it was, right?
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That is a molecule.
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So they cannot add or subtract a molecule from that molecule.
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But that's what she's saying.
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The atoms of, like, you take out a carbon,
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and now you've got PCP.
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Right.
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That's what she's saying.
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That's what she's saying.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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It's imprecise language.
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And I don't think even you or I are
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equipped to speak about it exactly.
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Right, exactly.
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But yeah, what she's trying to say
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is you alter the chemical compound just slightly,
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and then bada-bing, bada-boom, you take PCP,
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and you make a ketamine.
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And that's not the case.
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There's so many, like, if you look
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at how the things bind to each other, too,
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the structures are completely different.
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There's no way it's nonsense.
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And anybody who's done either of them
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will tell you it's very different.
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So here's the next thing that she
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says that's disqualifying.
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Don't get me started on Freud, because people take
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too much stock with psychiatry.
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Father of the Freud of psychiatry,
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you know he was a cocaine addict?
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On record who was obsessed with his poopoo.
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So were you.
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So Sigmund Freud isn't the father of psychiatry.
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He's the father of psychoanalysis.
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It's a very different thing, unless you
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don't care about being accurate.
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Freud pioneered new ideas about the interplay
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of the human in society and the underlying
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processes inside the brain.
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And he believed that through analysis and talking
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things through, one could learn about how
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the two interact with each other.
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He was specifically and emphatically
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opposed to turning the process of analysis
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into a medical thing and did not advocate
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for the use of medications in his practice.
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Moreover, he was opposed to looking
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at psychological issues as illnesses
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that needed to be treated and advance
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the view that's closer to seeing them
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as stuff we've all got going on in our heads
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that could be made less troubling by self-awareness
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and understanding them.
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Basically, his whole thing was like this psychoanalysis
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allows you to find the ways that you lie to yourself
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in damaging ways and resolve those issues.
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Sincerely, this nurse has no idea what she's talking about.
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She thinks PCP is ketamine and that Freud is a psychiatrist.
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Any interviewer who wasn't just blindly and embarrassingly
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desperate to justify the point that she's making,
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that meds are evil, would have shut this interview down
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by now, knowing that his guest doesn't know anything
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about the subject she's presenting herself
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to be an expert in.
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This is embarrassing for Alex, by extension,
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that he's not saying, like, hold on now.
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Freud is the father of psychiatry?
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Wait a second.
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You're telling me that PCP is ketamine?
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Instead, Alex is like, yeah, absolutely.
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It is just PCP.
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Right.
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He doesn't know what he's talking about,
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and he's just allowing her to embarrass him on his show.
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On his show.
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It's crazy.
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So that should make this next clip
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be a little easier to swallow.
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Because Alex is complaining about how
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everyone is just suggestible.
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Everyone's so suggestible.
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Everyone in the population, they're all just sheep.
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You can just tell them something,
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and they believe it's true.
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You could tell them something like ketamine and PCP
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are the same thing if you just take away a molecule.
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Right.
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So that complaint is interesting,
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because what he uses to defend his assertion
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that the human population is so suggestible.
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Is his own listeners?
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Well, close.
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And it's really frightening how suggestible people are.
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You can joke with people on the street
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and say, you just fell down.
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Are you OK?
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I've actually done this as a test.
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And they go, I did?
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Is that a psychopath?
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Really?
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And you're like, you know I'm joking.
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And they're like, no, no, did I?
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Whoa, what's going on?
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I mean, they're so weak-minded.
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Like, I ought to go out and do this on the street and go,
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hey, you just fell down.
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I had a crew member one time.
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We've been out doing a shoot all day.
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And we're in the restaurant.
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And I go, because I wanted to do a test.
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And I went, hey, man, you just fell down.
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You just fell over.
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You were just out for you.
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You're just a heat stroke or something.
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They're like, really?
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I did?
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Wow, yeah.
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How long was I out?
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And I'm like, no, no, it didn't happen.
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All you've demonstrated is that your employees are idiots.
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Like, you haven't demonstrated in any way
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that this applies to the general population.
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And also, I'd be willing to believe
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that this person was afraid of you.
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Yeah, I would say that there are a ton
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of other possible explanations for this employee's behavior.
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I call this joke a, what if Obi-Wan
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was kind of a petty prick?
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It's nuts.
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Like, trying to generalize the results of this single trial.
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Yeah, I think I should do this all the time.
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I think I should just go out and harass people for no reason
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and pretend it's a joke.
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Well, no, because he's just a dick move.
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He starts by saying that the public is so weak-minded,
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you can tell them they fell down and they'll believe you.
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One time, I did that to a staff member.
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Right.
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That does, you can't generalize that to the population.
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You have one experience and that,
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there's so many extraneous variables there
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you've got to exclude.
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Yeah.
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Power relations.
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He works for you, yeah.
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Bingo, that's another one.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a big one.
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It's nuts.
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I will believe anything you tell me, please do not fire me.
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That goes to show how weak his inferences are.
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He's applying this one specific instance to everyone.
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Either that or he only hires people that he can trick thusly.
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That's an insult to everybody who works for him as well.
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Right.
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And then maybe we can take this and assume, huh,
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well, who is gullible enough to believe that PCP is ketamine?
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Those sorts of bullshit things that he says,
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maybe his staff.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Maybe they're also suggestible that it becomes a place where everyone believes
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all the stupid shit that's said on his show.
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Right, like a cult.
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Bingo.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, we get another thing that we always got to keep track of.
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First of all, callers.
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Second of all, Alex's fecal obsession.
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Third of all, does Alex have feelings about killing dogs?
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Man, I'm so sick of it though.
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I mean, it's bad.
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Here's the deal.
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We got really bad people.
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It'd be like if there was a rabid dog in my yard
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and it had rabies and I saw kids playing down the street on their scooters
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and I just saw the rabid dog attack my Chihuahua
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and it's foaming at the mouth.
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It's a pit bull.
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I would go get my rifle and I would shoot it.
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And, and the new world order is like a trillion pound rabid dog.
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Got to shoot him.
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Got to shoot those new world orders, man.
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Yeah, man, he can't stop talking about killing dogs.
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He's...
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Happens all the time.
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God, that's...
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Oh, that's too...
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Do you know how often I talk about killing dogs, Dan?
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Every time Alex does?
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Yes.
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That's about it.
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Exclusively.
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It's pretty much the only time it ever comes up in my life.
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Is thinking like, huh, he talks about killing dogs a lot.
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A lot.
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Seems to be a preoccupation.
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Jesus.
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I wonder, I wonder what that means.
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So as the show winds down, Alex has another guest on
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and it's a guy who I'd never heard of before, but stinks.
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Here's Alex giving him an introduction.
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Now, I really wanted to get this guy on the air with us.
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Stephen W. Mosher is an internationally recognized authority on China and population issues,
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as well as an acclaimed author speaker.
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He's worked tirelessly since 79 to fight coercive population control programs.
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I had a little bit of a red flag since the last time Alex had a China expert on.
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It was that guy who was pretending to run a adoption agency.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Human trafficking agency.
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The pink pagoda guy.
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I don't know, but I don't know if I trust your ability to suss out who is and is not a China expert.
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Right.
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So I was like, I don't want to even look into this.
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What kind of awfulness am I going to find when I open the lid?
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So on the surface, Alex's guest here, Steve Mosher, is a guy who's just out there trying
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to alert people about the inhumane practices of the Chinese government.
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He's trying to lift the veil and make everyone aware of the brutality that was implicit in
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how the one-child policy was enacted and the falsehoods that were behind the rationalization
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of its creation.
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Basically, his whole position is that China created a false overpopulation idea in order
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to create oppressive population control measures.
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That's basically his thesis.
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Sure.
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But if you look a little deeper into Mosher, you get a glimpse of a different sort of picture.
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Possibly a guy who is super anti-abortion and a zealot about it and uses China as a
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means of advancing his own agenda.
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He's using China as a means to advance anti-abortion arguments.
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You bet.
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So Mosher's big claim to fame is that in 1979, he was the first American anthropology
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research student to be allowed to go to China for research purposes after the Cultural Revolution.
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So he is a pioneer researcher.
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He is.
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He's one of the last.
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He's one of the last.
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His research resulted in him being not allowed back in China and being expelled from Stanford
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before he completed his PhD.
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His supporters argue that this was all punishment for his intrepid reporting.
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He released photographs of women having forced abortions, and the Chinese government was
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mad about that.
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So they kicked him out of the country and convinced Sanford to expel him.
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That neatly fits into the anti-China, anti-communist worldview.
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So pretty much anyone who cares about who Stephen Mosher is just accepts that as the
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truth.
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However, the reality is that he was expelled because he released those photos with the
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subject's faces exposed, which is a really serious ethical breach.
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If you're doing investigative work purporting to demonstrate the evil of a government and
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a big piece of your evidence is pictures of specific citizens of that government's country
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being the victim of government oppression, and you have a paramount responsibility to
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protect those people's identity, Stanford was shocked that Mosher would publish these
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images with no regard for how his doing so could put these women in danger.
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And after reviewing relevant ethical standards, they kicked him out of the school.
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This is not something that doctoral programs do lightly.
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By the time someone is in the process of working for their PhD, the school has an investment
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in their success.
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It takes pretty serious violations to get kicked out of a postgraduate program, since
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when that sort of thing happens, it doesn't only reflect poorly on the student, it also
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looks bad for the program.
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If you're kicking out a bunch of post-grad candidates, it implies that you don't have
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good admissions standards, so schools tend to go out of their way to keep students in
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the program and correct problems where they can be corrected.
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In the case of Mosher, his actions were beyond what could be accepted, and so they had to
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get rid of him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That should tell you a little bit about this guy.
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Yeah, if he did that, he got women disappeared.
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There's a possibility, or it subjected them to such a high risk of retaliation from that.
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Yeah, and he had every reason to know that he should have been more careful.
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Yeah, he was literally a postgraduate student studying China.
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There are ethical standards in place specifically because you could put a target on somebody,
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and he wantonly behaved in a way that did just that.
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And actually, I mean, because of the fallout of this, it made it much more difficult for
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research students to go to China.
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Yeah, of course, of course.
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It caused a real serious backlash.
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And so while there are many good reasons to denounce and decry the practices of the Chinese
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government in relation to its one-child policy, Mosher seems to approach his criticisms from
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a very weird angle.
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His argument is that they started the policy because of fears about overpopulation, but
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that those fears were fake and just a cover-up for their real reasons, which are that they
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wanted to brutally control the population.
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He then takes this implication that the Chinese government was lying about their motives and
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applies it to all family planning and birth control initiatives worldwide.
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This is really what Mosher is all about.
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He's a devout Catholic who is staunchly opposed to all family planning.
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He runs an organization called the Population Research Institute, whose mission is to, quote,
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debunk the myth of overpopulation, which cheapens human life and paves the way for abusive population
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control programs, and, quote, expose the relentless promotion of abortive...
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Abortifacet?
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That's it, contraception, and chemical and surgical sterilization in misleadingly labeled
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population stabilization, family planning, and reproductive health programs.
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So that's really what he's about.
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Mosher and his institute do not care about the seriously complex issues of overpopulation.
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Serious researchers on the topic would agree with him that the issue isn't that there's
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too many people, it's that our resource allocation is completely fucked up, and that overpopulation
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is a serious issue when the vast majority of the people who exist are living in poverty.
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Poverty is the problem, not just the number of humans, and it would be easier to take
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Mosher seriously if he cared about that at all.
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But he doesn't, because his work is just a Trojan horse to attack contraception and all
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pro-choice advocacy.
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But that's not all.
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He's also a big demography guy.
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Great.
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As he wrote, quote, the practice of abortion, artificial birth control, sterilization, and
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a culture of secularism and materialism have caused our country and the church serious
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problems.
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Only God reigns, and we must serve.
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Because of the above, we lack native-born children, and hence need immigration, and
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Catholic families need children to replenish the church and give us priestly and religious
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vocations.
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I assume he's talking about the Cherokee, the Iroquois, he's not?
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Our culture and survival as a prosperous nation needs Catholics to marry young, have more
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than two children, and preach the God-given glories of motherhood.
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A woman's fertility is our greatest treasure, and not the boardroom of business politics.
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Boy, that is, I like red flags.
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Sure.
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Small, but that's a red flag the size of China.
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Let's call it that.
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There's always, and this is something that, you know, it deserves to be brought up, there's
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almost always a little kernel of white nationalism wrapped up in most anti-abortion crowds.
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Yeah.
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When you just dig a little bit beneath the surface.
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For sure.
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You'll pretty much always find that a lot of their fears arise from notions like, there
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aren't enough people like us having kids, and too many people unlike us hanging around.
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Right.
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That's kind of beneath a ton of it.
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Which is why their highest touted argument that they always do is, nobody should care
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more about anti-abortion than black people, because millions of black babies are being
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aborted all the time.
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That's who should care most about it.
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And they do that to protect themselves on the flank from people noticing that all you
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really want is more white people.
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Does seem like that's a strategy.
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So what we have here is a guy running a nativist anti-abortion crusade masquerading
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as some kind of a noble battle against depopulation, as evidenced by his experience in China 40
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years ago, which resulted in him getting expelled from Stanford.
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This guy is not on the up and up.
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So you probably are wondering, how can you afford to run this kind of very clearly disingenuous
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operation?
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And naturally, the answer is right wing billionaires.
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There it is.
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The Population Research Institute is heavily funded by the Lind and Harry Bradley Foundation.
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Harry Bradley, naturally, was one of the first members of the John Birch Society, along with
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Fred Koch.
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And the two men have shared a very similar legacy in terms of funneling money to zealots.
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The Bradley Foundation has contributed millions of dollars to Donors Trust, the Koch operated
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dark money conduit, which is one of many connections between the Bradleys and the Kochs as allies
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in their decades long crusade against progress.
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And the Bradley Foundation has given tons and tons of money to the Population Research
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Institute and Mosher's work specifically.
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Fun side note, the Bradley Foundation paid Charles Murray a million dollars to write
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his dog shit book, The Bell Curve, which to this day is one of the main sources white
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supremacists point to to justify their beliefs that black people genetically have lower IQs
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than white people.
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The book has been called a quote, part of a campaign to justify racism, which is why
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it should come as no surprise that it's promoted by the likes of Stefan Molyneux and all the
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cool kid race realists running around on YouTube trying to have a free exchange of ideas.
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The Bradley Foundation's funding made that possible because they're more than happy to
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use racism to push the agenda that they're really after.
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That's the name of the game.
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So here you have yet another mouthpiece for right wing billionaire funded front groups
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appearing as a guest on Alex Jones's show presented benignly as an expert on population.
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It's how it always goes.
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I want fires because they are currently in my brain.
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Sure, they are in my brain.
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There's all kinds of fires just behind my eyes.
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There's fires being lit all over the place.
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I what how did we how did we even get how did we even let this happen?
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How how does right wing billionaires even happen?
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Well, you know, like how does that make sense?
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It does make sense.
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And it's a trade, you know, it's a tradition going all the way back.
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For some reason, we rich people just show up and fuck us all over.
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Yeah, I mean, the answer to the problem is transparency.
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The answer to the problem is making people show who they're donating money to these these
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large interests.
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It needs to be open because the influence is so insidious when it goes through these
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conduits like Donors Trust, right?
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You're able to funnel so much money and enable so many suspicious things, right?
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And if it was open in public, like, oh, you got $100,000 from these people who are interested
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in getting rid of affirmative action.
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That's why you're promoting that black people are genetically dumber than white people.
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You can make the causal connection between the money and the rhetoric if it's all open.
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But since it's so often not, it's a much harder issue.
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And as that festers, as years and years and years of that ability to funnel money places
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secretly goes on, the damage compounds.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I would say that that was that would have been a way to avoid this at this point.
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You know, going by our shame doesn't exist anymore strategy that I wouldn't be surprised
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if they just came out and were like, yeah, I got donated all the money by Coke in order
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to make this, you know, I think we're past that point.
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Well, I mean, there's still some ironies, you know, because if all of this was exposed
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to the light of day, a lot of these people who have these like ideas about, yeah, you
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know, what's wrong is that there's these globalists and these billionaires that are controlling
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the conversation.
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And they would realize that a ton of the things that they support are funded by other secretive
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right wing billionaire.
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Like James O'Keefe got tons of money from the Bradley Foundation early on.
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Of course.
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Like all of these people would have to wrestle with the idea of like, huh, the people on
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our side who fit the exact description of the demons that we're against are actually
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the ones funding the information sources that we have.
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Huh.
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They must be the good billionaires fighting against bad billionaires.
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Done.
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We can move on.
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Let's go.
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Let's go.
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Alex Jones, what else you got?
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It's an easy leap to make, but it's hard to defend.
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It is.
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So they could make that jump, but then they've put themselves in a box that's really difficult
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to defend living in.
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Right.
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It's possible, but I don't know.
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My feeling about it is like, I don't know what the right answer is, but transparency
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is the first step.
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I agree.
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It would allow for a better possible future.
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So one of the things that's interesting is I heard on this episode, I heard an intro
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back from commercial that I've never heard before on Alex's show.
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And it's fucking hilarious.
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Don't worry.
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This show is documented.
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Alex Jones on the GCN radio network.
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Alex Jones here back live.
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It's documented.
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What just happened?
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Don't worry.
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Did their lead in just be like illegal immigrants are coming for you?
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Even their lead in is racist as shit?
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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I get what you're saying.
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I get it.
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He's saying that all the claims are documented.
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Oh, are you sure?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Because don't worry.
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I see now here's why I'd never consider.
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I didn't even consider that as a possibility because I thought it was too far beyond the
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pale for them to even think that that makes sense.
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I know that Alex is anti-immigrants to an extent in 2013, but not to the extent he is
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now.
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If that was played now, I would be on your side.
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For sure, for sure.
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But see, for me, I didn't even consider what you're talking about.
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I was listening to it like, don't worry.
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We have proof.
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I thought it was defensive.
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I found it to be like, hey, I know this sounds crazy, but we know what we're talking about.
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See, my hackles are so raised for all of the racism.
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It's like, I heard that and I was like, don't worry.
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We don't have any Mexicans on.
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And it's like, Jesus Christ, even your lead in is fucking racist.
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I see where you're coming from.
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I think it's much, much more likely that it's don't agree with you.
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Don't research this.
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We know we're talking about.
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I agree with you.
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So in this next clip, I don't care to address the specifics of what he's talking about.
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I only am going to play this for the comical nature of it.
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We hear zero from Gloria Steinem of the CIA and all the rest of these people.
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We didn't know it, folks.
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She wrote one of her books that was all CIA front to break up the family.
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Miss magazine all funded, which again was a Carnegie Endowment operation
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so that there's no mother.
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So the state becomes the daddy.
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I don't really care about that.
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All I care about is the idea that he's like is a Carnegie Endowment operation.
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Like he's aware of that, but he doesn't realize that he's talking to a Bradley Foundation.
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You understand like what's going on here?
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Yeah.
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If Alex is presenting himself as some guy who's like, I know where the foundation money goes to.
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How are you so blind to it on this side?
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How are you so blind to the like the people that you're in league with
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who were taking right wing foundation money?
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How is that possible?
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It's not.
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I think that the way that they would get away with
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or the way that he would try and talk his way out of that is it always has to,
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because he's such into movies, it has to be a titanic struggle.
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It always has to be one side's God, one side's the devil.
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They're both super power.
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He couldn't get away with it.
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You don't think so?
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No, I think he doesn't know shit because he doesn't research anything.
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And he knows about this Ms. Magazine stuff and the Carnegie Endowment
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and the Rockefeller Foundation from people like W.
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Cleon Skousen and all of these anti-communist shitheads that came before him.
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He only knows the stuff that they've pointed out.
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So his body of information is so one-sided and he doesn't dig into things himself.
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So he doesn't know anything about these right-wing billionaire foundations
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that are funneling money to all of these other places that suspiciously he just is like,
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Mosher's just some fucking awesome dude who cares about the myth of depopulation.
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So he started this foundation and thankfully the grassroots have funded him.
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Right, right, right, right.
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That's the perception he has.
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And maybe he does believe that because he doesn't do any reading.
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Yeah.
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It's possible.
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I find that hard just because so many of his friends have taken money from
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those kinds of places that nobody let him on that it was a giant...
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Milo didn't let him know that Coke bought 200,000 copies of his book or whatever the fuck it is.
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It's really hard to believe that he's that naive.
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Yeah, just from a business standpoint.
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As a human, I don't believe it.
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But as someone who can't prove anything,
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I can't believe the contrary either.
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Right, right, right.
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He does know and he is in on it or whatever.
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So I don't know, it's complicated.
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So we have one last clip here.
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And what it is is essentially like the two of them have been having this nonsensical conversation
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about how overpopulation is a myth and birth control is stupid and all of that.
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And from looking into this guy, I kind of know like demography
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lies behind the arguments that he's making.
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And he's really just a anti-abortion, anti-contraception zealot.
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And he's concerned about variable birth rates, which ironically are exactly the
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same sorts of things that are now in the present day motivating people to murder Muslims.
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Shockingly regularly, whenever you hear those sorts of attacks happen,
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the people seem to all have that sort of, there's too many of them.
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I'm standing up for the West kind of ideas.
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So, you know, when you hear this, you kind of realize they're making it a little too public.
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And so at the end of the day, you know, someone is going to come to inherit
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France and Germany and Italy.
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It won't be the descendants of the modern day French and Germans and Italians,
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because they're not having any descendants.
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Other people who are more family friendly will come to occupy those countries.
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And I think most of our listeners know who those will be,
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the people from the Middle East and from North Africa, principally.
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The West has committed total suicide.
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It's clear, man.
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2013, he's still on that.
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He's already on that tip.
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It's crazy.
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Does he think people are still fighting the Moors?
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Like, what are we doing, man?
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This is fucking nuts.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so when we hear all this stuff in 2019, it's like, oh, Alex has descended.
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He's given overtures to it in a way that people don't.
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We didn't, I don't know.
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I don't want to speak for everybody, but I think a lot of people probably wouldn't
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have that register as, like, what he's talking about is intensely fucked up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think you just hear that in a much different way in 2013
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than we do now, because people are acting on it now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's not something that two lunatics have in an offhand conversation on a radio show
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that nobody's actually listening to.
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But this furthers my point, that this wasn't being discussed on Fox News in 2013.
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Probably not.
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This is what Alex was doing that is now acceptable for Fox News to talk about, and thus he must
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get more extreme in 2019.
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Yeah.
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This doesn't get the audience aroused in 2019 anymore.
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Right.
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This is pretty messed up.
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Oh, man.
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Yep.
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Yeah, it is fun to see exactly where we were with the crazy people being where we are now
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with everybody normally.
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Like, you compare that to the way Fox News covered the migrant caravan as being a flood
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of, you know, borderline pests that are coming.
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It's a horde.
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You know, that whole thing.
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And you think, this guy was just saying that shit about Muslims in 2013, and Fox News never
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would have touched that.
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Maybe they might have.
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They might, maybe on an offhand thing.
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Right, right, right.
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But as a, like, a network position.
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Yeah.
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Uh, it didn't, it doesn't seem like it was as overt because they had to worry about sponsors.
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You remember when you had to worry?
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Yeah.
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Oh, God.
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I mean, yeah, it's pretty crazy, especially because, like, this stretch of time is so
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bizarre.
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Like, Alex is already kind of letting Dorner by the wayside.
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You know, like, he's said that it's like Waco, and that seems to be enough for him.
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And then you get a fucking meteor coming in on the 15th, and then he has an interview
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with a complete racist population guy.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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I never, I still am surprised by this.
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Like, this 2013 is such an interesting stretch of time.
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There's so much happening in the world.
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You got Obama coming in for his second term, so a lot of people are fucking up in a tizzy
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about that.
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You've got so many newsworthy, gigantic events happening.
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It's a dense, dense time.
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Alex is so weird.
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He's so weird.
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That is one thing that I was thinking while the earlier clips were going on, is just like,
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if I, because I always forget, this is ostensibly supposed to be a news show.
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Yeah, it is easy to forget that.
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Right?
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So I completely forget, and I'm like, if I were just listening to this show, I think
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I would have no idea what's going on.
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No.
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Like, period.
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No, it would be tough to say you were informed.
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Yeah.
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Certainly.
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Like, just no clue, other than, you know, an asteroid might kill me today.
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Right.
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But probably not, but the government lies to you.
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The government might be lying about this, and even if they were telling the truth, that's
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probably because they're doing it.
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It's probably their meteor.
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It's a nuke.
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Yeah.
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I think you would not be informed, for sure, but you would get the message that Alex wants
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you to get.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And that is a rampant, unhealthy level of distrust for everybody but him and his weird
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friends.
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Yeah.
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So that's not great.
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That's healthy.
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Anyway, thank you all for listening.
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This brings us to the end here.
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We'll be back on Monday, but until then, we have a website.
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So, when we get to the end of this here...
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Oh, oh, oh!
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Alex's imaginary chihuahua in his dog murder scenario.
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No, but that dog was, did have rabies.
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No, no, no, the chihuahua that was attacked by the dog.
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The chihuahua was just, the chihuahua was just there.
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You don't know what happened after it got rabies.
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Well, it probably killed it.
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Could have turned into a zombie.
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That's true.
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Zombie-wah-wah.
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But because we don't know that for sure, we should probably err on the side of believing
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the chihuahua did not kill anybody.
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But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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