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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding
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Hello Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight
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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed
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We are Dan. Jordan. Dan! Jordan. Does it feel good to be back in the right side of the chair?
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It does but I am glad that we got some very nice feedback from people
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People seem to enjoy you taking over and doing an episode and that should assuage all of your fears about it
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Not going well and people not liking it not at all
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It was great yeah, I'm glad
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Strong positive response. It gave me a whole new appreciation. Look I respect the hell out of what you do
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Oh and vice versa. Yeah, I
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Think you did a better job of being me than I did of being you. That's for sure. I did not yell at all
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Not in my style
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But just to drop Will Smith lyrics in and probably I'm realizing this now probably a completely
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inaccurate version of what Bruce Springsteen's 10th Avenue freestyle was about
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As I was editing up the episode and about to release it
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I realized that story that I told about it being about a snowstorm in New York. Is that not true?
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I don't think it is. Why did you think it then? Because my buddy Sal back in Missouri
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We were drinking one night and he told me about how he was in the snowstorm that that song is based on and I just
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believed him
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Everybody has a buddy Sal. You don't believe a goddamn word your body
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Now he's a good man. I had no reason not to believe him
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He licks his fingers all the time like a bookie. Everybody has a friend named Sal wrong type of Sal
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Okay, he was a Union pipe fitter from New Jersey. Good guy ran the bar. I worked at in Missouri. Okay
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I was gonna say why are you hanging out with an old?
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Union pipe fitter when you're like 19 years old. He wasn't that old.
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Ran a great gutter punk bar called East Side Tavern in Columbia, Missouri still open. All right, nice
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Yeah, but I realized that he told me that story and it's probably not accurate
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But anyway 10th Avenue freestyle is a good song. Great sax solo. It's a great sax solo. You know, what else is great? Oh
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Transitions? Not that one, but our listeners
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Ooh, that's a good question.
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Couldn't tell.
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Interesting question that I hope to never know the answer to.
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Or could it be a dyslexic, uh, afterlife parties?
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Could be.
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They probably have ad money.
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I don't know if I want to come down with that, uh, mentality, but whatever.
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This is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
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So today, Jordan, we're going to be doing a present day episode, we're going to be going
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over February 11th to 13th, which is Monday through Wednesday of this week, which is ultimately
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unsatisfying because here, as we were recording this on Thursday, all Twitter is abuzz with
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Trump is going to declare a state of emergency and all that.
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And I'm sure Alex is too messant at the news.
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So we'll cover all that stuff probably on Monday's episode, but for now, based on the
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material that we have, as much as I'd love to talk about that, cause I have thoughts,
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we gotta, we gotta, we gotta cover the beginning of the week that was, and this week was fucked
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up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This week was crazy on Alex Jones's show and in the real world.
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Today, like I said, we're going over the beginning of the week and we're going to begin on February
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11th.
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On this episode, Alex starts off the show celebrating some good news for Trump.
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And I know that I made the sort of observation and prediction that Alex is moving away from
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Trump.
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And I do still believe that's the case, but I think it's a slow process and he's still
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going to validate a lot of Trump's stuff in order to make it look like the worldview that
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Alex presents is more popular than it is.
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So the victory that he's going to talk about is that Trump is at 52% approval ratings in
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the polls.
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For white people.
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We'll get to that in a second.
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Oh, okay.
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I'm sorry.
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But it's celebrating a victory for Trump, but it's still in line with him moving away
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from him because it's really more about the idea that my nationalism, my populism is super
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popular and we can see that by Trump's numbers.
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Right.
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So I'm, I'm a, I'm a driving force behind Trump's numbers going up.
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So we're going to see some positive talk about Trump, but I don't think it invalidates the
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trend that I'm sort of seeing now, unfortunately, I think that the, if Trump does declare a
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national emergency, that will get Alex to come right back around at least for another
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cycle.
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So I think that'll disrupt whatever process I was seeing happening, but I don't think
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it's going to be enough for the long run.
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It's like a divorce.
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It doesn't happen on the day you sign the paperwork.
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A divorce happens for like a year or two while you're, you know, and there are some ups and
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downs along the way.
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Alex knows that well.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Um, so we're going to start here and Alex is talking about the nature of polls and polling
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and we've always heard him talk about the oversampling of Democrats and stuff like that.
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And I've always just thought it was kind of like a goofy, dumb misunderstanding of how
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polling and statistics work, but the way he describes it in this next clip makes me realize
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it is a much bigger problem.
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He does not understand anything.
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The truth is explosive.
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The truth is powerful.
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The truth is unstoppable when people are willing to stand up and carry it forward.
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Now you know, the Gallup and Rasmussen and other polls believe the democratic party is
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the dominant party in the U S.
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And so for more than 30 years, they have always sampled more Democrats than they have Republicans
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average about 15% more.
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So why would they do that?
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What do you, I mean, they don't, but why are you like, what's your confusion jumping off
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of his confusion?
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I mean, it's just like, why would you even think they would do that?
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That under that they're evil and they want to serve the powerful Democrats who are the
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real power that's going on or whatever, because he's now decided that Democrat equals globalist.
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So, but Rasmussen has had like a plus six conservative bent for however long has a pretty
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heavy like center right leaning in terms of their polling.
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Uh, look, it's just, Alex is stupid.
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So now that he's literally saying that he thinks that pollsters think the Democrats
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are the dominant party and thus they cheat polls in their favor.
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We now have the information that we need to address this because before I was willing
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to like push this aside and just be like, Alex is dumb, but that is beyond the pale.
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And that makes me think that we may need to explain things a little bit.
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So when anyone is trying to conduct a poll, the result is useless unless it represents
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a representative sample of the population it's seeking to poll.
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And often achieving representative sampling is incredibly difficult.
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Just because the researchers want a random sampling to take their poll, it's not good
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enough that they just randomly call a thousand people and see what happens.
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The characteristics of the people they polled needs to match the demographic information
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of the geographic area that's being polled.
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And because of the near impossibility of the respondents to your poll perfectly matching
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the areas demographics, the results often need to be weighted.
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Easy example, older people are more likely to answer their phones and complete a survey
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or poll.
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So almost every poll's raw results will inevitably reflect the answers of more old people than
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young people.
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I'm not busy.
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Ask me questions.
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Sure.
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So in order to correct for this, the researchers will need to give more weight to the answers
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of people in the groups that are underrepresented in the set of answers so that they match the
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demographic information of the area.
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Generally taking that information from the most recent census.
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This probably sounds overly simplified, but like realistically, the older you are, particularly
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if you're white, the more likely it is that you identify as a Republican.
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And older people are overrepresented in the raw respondent data of most polls.
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The amount to which this needs to be fixed by weighting inevitably depends on the demographic
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information that the poll takers bring in with their random sampling.
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So you'll see in write-ups of polls exactly the extent to which they weighted the numbers.
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Poll polling organizations conduct reviews on the raw data, the processed data, and everything
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in between that led from the raw to the processed.
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It's just how professional statistics work.
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Alex is just, he doesn't understand that very, very basic thing that he would understand
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if he didn't drop out of junior college and actually took a statistics course.
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Yeah, or at least like send an email to Nate Silver, you know, like give it a shot.
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Or was curious.
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Curious would be really important there.
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I would appreciate some curiosity from him.
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Now the interesting thing, and I don't really know exactly how much this is going to play
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out.
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And again, this would also be predicting the future, which would be tough because there's
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a possibility that even as the generations that are heavily Democrat now or left-leaning
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get older, there's a chance that as in past generations, you'll see them skew more towards
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the right as well.
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That's possible.
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But if that doesn't happen, if you look at generational differences, Republicans and
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like right-leaning ideas are taken a bath in younger generations.
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It is harshly towards the left, especially among people of color and women.
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Like the numbers are crazy bad for conservatives in the future.
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So as those people start to get older or if polling places find a way to incorporate using
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cell phones or something like that, there's a really decent chance that you'll see Democrats
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be more groups that are Democrat, more being more respondents to polls.
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And then you'll see conservative weighting being done and you shouldn't be suspicious
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about that.
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That's just how this works.
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Right.
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I mean, I suppose the, I suppose if I was going to go hard on trying to make Alex's
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argument better for him, I would say that conspiracy punch up that some polling can
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absolutely have an influence on people's behavior.
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If you see a poll, like for instance, for so many people during the Trump Hillary campaign,
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you saw those polls and there's, there was a lot more or a lot less urgency there for
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people who are saying, well, it looks like Hillary is going to win by 10 points anyway.
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So I'm not really going to be as engaged in this as I would others.
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But if your polling is not, is too inaccurate, people are just going to write it off immediately.
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So that's why you see those polls, even for like Rasmussen, which has a right bent to
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it.
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You still see them within this certain margin of error that everybody deems acceptable.
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So if you want to say that polls can influence outcome, that is an argument that can be made.
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If you want to say that they over-represent Democrats by 15% every single time, you just
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don't understand how polls work.
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Not in the least.
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So now we get to the 52, the new 52.
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The new 52?
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The B-52s?
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Yup.
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The C-52s.
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Fred Schneider was polled and he said, go Trump!
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He did not, he would not be in favor of Trump.
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Not at all.
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But so we get to this.
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That's a good Fred Schneider.
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Thank you.
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We get to this Trump is at 52% number and Alex says some really dumb, dumb shit.
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But despite all the propaganda in Gallup, Trump is at 52 and in Rasmussen, Trump is
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at 52.
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Think about that.
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That's what we're sampling on average, 15 points more for Democrats.
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That means they call 15% more Democrats or contact 15% more Democrats for their poll.
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And he's at 52%.
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That tells you he's really at like 65, 67 conservatively conservatively.
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That's a crazy way to look at this.
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Like that doesn't reflect any sort of reality.
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Now first of all, I have no idea where Alex is getting that Gallup data from because it
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doesn't appear to exist.
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In their data from January 21st or I'm sorry, 17th to 21st, 2019, Gallup showed a 37% approval
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rating for the way Trump is handling his job with the president, which is down from a high
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of 45% for the week right after inauguration.
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But also how he's handling his job isn't the exact same thing as an approval rating.
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So even that would be sort of dicey for Alex to run off of.
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But also interestingly, if you look at it by party, Trump has an 88% approval rating
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among Republicans and a 5% approval rating among Democrats.
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I wonder why.
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These numbers actually are part of setting a new record for the most polarized approval
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ratings that Gallup has ever recorded since they began in 1945.
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Trump set other Gallup records with his first year in office being the lowest approval ratings
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of any first year president ever, beating out the previous record by 10.9% and his first
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two year numbers were the worst since World War II.
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So not necessarily a record, but a pretty good high watermark.
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He's really giving Andrew Johnson a run for his money on the worst ever.
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Yeah.
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Andrew Johnson is one of the only people who at certain points in his presidency like really
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were he was swinging for Trump.
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Really hated.
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Yeah.
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In an article that was posted on February 13th, Gallup reflects a 44% approval rating
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for Trump, but that doesn't match Alex's 52% number and that data is from two days after
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he recorded this episode.
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So what I'm saying is I think that Alex is making that Gallup shit up.
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Entirely.
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Yeah.
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Rasmussen did have a Trump polling at 52% approval rating on February 11th.
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That is true.
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That number dropped to 50% on the 12th and is held there until as we're recording this
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episode today.
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And it was also at 43% on February 1st.
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Most people consider this increase to be the result of the State of the Union, giving his
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numbers a jump, which is a pretty common phenomenon in presidencies.
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For instance, in 2011, Obama was at 46% approval on January 17th, which jumped to 52% by the
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25th when he delivered that year's State of the Union speech.
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Some important things to consider about this poll though, Jordan.
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What?
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Rasmussen releases daily presidential approval rating statistics.
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And if you review...
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Those are reliable.
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Somewhat.
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Yeah.
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I mean, they do use the, you know, an appropriate process.
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I mean, they're, yeah, they're reliable, but, but, but meaningless.
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Let me deconstruct a little bit of why they might be meaningless.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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If you consult their methodology, you'll find that they randomly call house phones from
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five to 9 PM on weeknights.
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That pretty much excludes anyone who doesn't have a landline, who works at night or who
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likes to party on weeknights.
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Their process is also an automatic robotic call.
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So for someone to take their poll, they'd have to receive this call on a landline, hear
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the recorded prompt and decide not to hang up.
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It's amazing to me that they managed to find a sample of 500 respondents every day.
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They...
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500 people?
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Every day.
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And it's not the same people.
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That's what your mind goes to.
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It has to be.
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That's what your mind goes to.
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Do you want to role play that call?
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It can't be.
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Okay.
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I don't have a landline.
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I don't want to be the robot.
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I don't have a landline.
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No.
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I don't have anything.
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I don't have a landline.
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Hello?
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Hi.
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Click.
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Yeah.
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That's how it goes for me.
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So this poll is heavily weighted, but I'm not saying that in any way to disparage it.
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I'm just saying that to illustrate that even this poll that Alex is touting is great is
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produced exactly the same way that Rasmussen polls have been...
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All of these have been produced, like the one on August 2nd, 2017 that showed Trump
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with a 38% approval rating.
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Right.
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All of it's the same.
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Well, 538 does a similar thing to Rasmussen in terms of their polling on a daily basis,
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but what they do is they combine a bunch of different polls and then weight them according
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to the similar process that's done on these individual polls.
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I was going to say, they're more of a meta polling agency, not like a, we're going to
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call random asphalt.
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Yes.
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So they take the data from other polls, go over how their methodology worked, and then
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use that to weight each poll in terms of making a composite poll, and then put out the president's
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approval ratings on a daily basis.
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If you look at the polling data currently available, Trump has a negative 14.8 net approval
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rating, which is the worst any president since Harry Truman is seen at this point in their
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presidency, with the exception of Reagan, who had a negative 20.2.
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Most people view that as a result of the economy being in the toilet back then and all the
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goodwill he had after John Hinckley Jr. tried to assassinate him, having worn off.
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I was going to say, he had a really good run after somebody tried to kill him, and I think
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he would have been...
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His numbers went way up.
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If he would have been killed, he would be remembered amazingly well.
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That would have been awesome.
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He still is.
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It's unfortunate that he...
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He still is in many circles.
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It's unfortunate that he wasn't killed.
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Yeah.
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So with the 52% approval rating in Rasmussen, reflecting one day, that's a good, and Trump
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should be happy about that.
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Alex should be happy about that.
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There's nothing, you know, he should probably be more worried though, about how historically
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bad the wider picture of his numbers are.
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Trump hasn't seen that positive favorability numbers since February 1st, 2017 when he was
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at a 0.01 plus.
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I was going to say, he should never, never, never should he have had a positive rating.
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And he had been in office for 12 days.
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I guess the point is this, I trust polling agencies with rigorous standards in place
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even when they release data that doesn't reflect what I perceive to be real.
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It's entirely possible that even after adjusting for demographic weighting, the Rasmussen poll
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showed a 52% approval rating.
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Ultimately, I also think it's possibly an outlier in the data, of all the data sets
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that are out there, and also could be explained by some obvious real world events, the state
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of the union, the ending of the government shutdown, etc.
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There's a number of variables.
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But I also understand why Alex is doing what he's doing.
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When the bigger picture of everything is so shitty, you have to make the most of what
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you have.
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And for now, all they have is this 52% approval rating, so you got to run with it because
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it makes it look like a majority of Americans love what Infowars is doing by virtue of their
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support for Trump.
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Wow.
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Yep.
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That's dumb.
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Yeah, it's pretty bad.
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I really don't like that.
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Nah, it's not good.
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It's pathetic.
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It's, that's, I'm just so sad.
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I'm just so sad for the right wing.
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Like you, like as they, as their candle flickers violently, destroying everyone around us,
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trying desperately to cling to power, they're just really sad about it.
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They're pathetic.
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Like, but our argument against the green new deal is people are going to steal ice cream.
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Like who the fuck are you?
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Yeah.
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Go to bed.
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Christ.
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Come on, Mark Dice.
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Get out of here.
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Yeah.
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What are you talking about?
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It's pretty weak.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's not good, but it's going to get so much worse, man.
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Oh no.
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So if you'll recall at the beginning of this week, Representative Ilhan Omar had gotten
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in a bit of hot water.
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Oh boy.
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I forgot that we were going to have to talk about Alex's take on that.
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And I really like the bad faith Republican bullshit was horrendous.
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It was pretty bad.
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I can't imagine how bad this is going to be.
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So we're going to talk about some of that, my feelings about the right wing backlash
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and stuff like that.
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And also some of my feelings about what she probably did a little bit wrong in terms of
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presentation.
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I don't think that she did anything wrong.
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Big picture.
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I don't think she was acting out of antisemitism or anything like that.
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Of course not.
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It was a conversation to be had about that not being the smoothest way to make a point
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or whatever.
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And we'll talk about that here in a second.
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But it is important to point out that those people in Congress or these commentators,
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for the most part, were acting out of some sort of a craven element.
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I would characterize it not even, I think that a lot of people would want to say like
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what they were doing is they were defending AIPAC.
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And so they behaved in ways that were disgraceful and defamatory towards Representative Omar.
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That is what a lot of people would want to say.
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And I don't think that's necessarily the case.
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I think that a lot of people recognize that she represents an incredible threat to the
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fiction that is generally accepted of a benign U.S. foreign policy.
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And I believe that people are really looking for any opportunity to take her down because
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of the holes that she can puncture, as evidenced by-
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I was going to say, what she did to Abrams is like, oh, that's why they're so afraid.
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In a day after all this scandal about her tweet and all that, she was questioning Elliott
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Abrams about his involvement in El Salvador with the El Mazote massacre.
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And that's something that's incredibly relevant seeing as he's being put in as a special representative
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for Venezuela.
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A country that is definitely not ripe for being taken over in the exact same way that
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El Salvador was.
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Right.
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It's super important that when we have people who were directly involved in similar things
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that led to genocide.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You need to- those are things that are important to come up and most people don't do it for
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whatever reason, whether it's a financial motivation, whether it's cowardice or just
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don't want to rock the boat or whatever.
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And Omar is not afraid of that.
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And that is a deep threat to business as usual.
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And she's just a Muslim.
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You could stop there for- so many Republicans, you could just stop right there.
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That very well may be, but I think the foreign policy fiction is much more important now
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with the Muslim part.
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That's more important for Alex.
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Oh, God damn it.
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I knew it.
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So that was the- actually, accidentally you brought up exactly the distinction I was hoping
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to make there in my introduction to this clip.
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Because he lies in this next clip about what she tweeted and all that stuff, which is to
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be expected.
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Of course.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's par for the course.
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But if you listen to this-
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It's not fine, but we expected it.
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Yeah.
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If you listen to this clip, it's 45 seconds long and you'll see how quickly he transitions
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from lying about her tweets and what have you into rank Islamophobia.
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I saw her at a pool supply store.
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So much worse.
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Oh, by the way, this Muslim woman member of Congress retweeting stuff about Jews having
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hook noses and-
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Whoa.
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Just to qualify that-
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Whoa.
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That is not accurate of what she did.
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She retweeted someone who was making a criticism of her, apparently.
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And that guy said these comments are tantamount to saying Jews have hooks, noses.
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So it wasn't like that greedy Jewish guy cartoon or whatever, but she retweeted that like a
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lot of people involved in Infowars may have.
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So anyway, I just wanted to point that out because he's misrepresenting that specific
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thing.
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You can point that out.
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Jews and their money grubbing and how they run everything and all this stuff.
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Parentheses that I've said.
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The first Democrats defended her, now they aren't.
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What do you think happens when you bring in hardcore Somalis and other people who kill
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everyone who isn't Muslim in their country and sell women on slave blocks?
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What do you think happens when you bring in Islamics who don't let any Christians or anybody
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else live in their countries?
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It's like dropping a baby into a backyard with 14 pit bulls with rabies or something.
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Islam is not compatible with the West, period.
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Period.
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If Alex believes that, there is no room for him, if he's defending the West, there's no
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room for him to accept any Islam in the country.
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He can't hide behind this dumb idea of, like, it's radical Islam that I'm talking about.
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Nope, he just said it.
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He said Islam is incompatible with the West, period.
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That's a big problem because now you have called for the elimination of a religion or
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at least the exiling of a religion for a country.
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Which is totally constitutional, right?
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Under the Second Amendment.
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Based on the founders.
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Based on the founders.
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He's just a classical liberal, Jeffersonian.
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There is nothing he loves more than the Constitution.
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Totally.
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Exactly.
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And that's why he's never read it and cannot understand a fucking word.
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I know that Ben Franklin, Benjamin Franklin, when he signed the Constitution, underneath
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his signature he said, boo to Muslims.
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I remember reading Thomas Jefferson's Quran and it just had big red X's on every page.
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It was really tough to read.
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And then John Adams slipped in there and signed, never change.
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So I mean, this is just disgusting.
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I mean, if it stopped there, it would be one thing.
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It'd be like, ah, Alex, look at you, you dumb old Islamophobe, wearing your bigotry on your
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shirt as usual.
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But then the spirit gets good to him and he starts saying some deeply irresponsible things
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that are in no way based in reality.
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And I'm very excited to explain to you just how wrong he is after you put your mic down
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for this clip.
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Of course, he's an Islamicist, probably had her genitals cut off.
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It has total Stockholm syndrome up there wearing her burka, running around in public with her
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jibs.
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Plural.
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In Muslim countries, they don't put women in office.
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Comes here, craps all over our system, lies about the Covington Christians and nothing's
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done to her.
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And now she's talking about AIPAC and the Jews all day.
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All day.
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Unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen, it is it is unbelievable that you would do that.
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So Alex said a lot of really offensive stuff in that other clip we just heard.
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He managed to pack a lot in very little.
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So we heard him say that you probably had her genitals mutilated and had Stockholm syndrome,
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which I don't care to address.
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I don't care to respond to in any way.
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That is horrible.
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That is absolutely just Alex playing on his bigotry and what have you.
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You can't you can't decry bigotry in a bigoted way.
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That's insane.
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You can't be like, oh, she's a bigot towards fucking Jews and then fucking that's unreal.
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It is.
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And but it's to be expected from Alex on some level and not to dismiss it or say it's OK
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or anything like that.
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But us spending our breath arguing about that is going to end up being a waste of our breath.
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So I want to talk to you about his contention that in Islamic countries they don't elect
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women.
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Here's from Afghanistan.
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I'd like to tell you about their history.
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Fauziya Kuzi ran for president in 2014 and had been elected as the president of the National
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Assembly of Afghanistan, where she'd served since 2005.
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Fun fact, Afghanistan has more women serving in their National Assembly with 28 percent
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than the U.S. does in Congress with 22 percent.
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Those backwards people, even after the strides made in the last midterm election, where many
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women won seats.
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What about Azerbaijan?
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Lala Shevkat served as the secretary of state from 1993 to 1994, making her the first woman
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in the world to hold said position.
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That's right.
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She beat Madeleine Albright by four years, who was the U.S.'s first female secretary
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of state.
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But Bangladesh.
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Bangladesh is the world's most populous Muslim majority country.
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And guess what, Jordan?
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The prime ministers have all been women since 1996.
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I can't imagine why.
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Hmm.
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Egypt.
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What about Egypt?
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You like Egypt?
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I mean, it's OK.
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What do you think about Egypt?
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It's all right.
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I mean, they got some buildings over there.
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I heard about them.
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They got that river.
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They're doing all kinds of stuff.
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Approximately one third of Egypt's parliament is women.
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The late Rawia Ateya was the first female parliamentarian in the Arab world when she
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was elected to office in 1957.
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Those backwards countries.
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In Indonesia, Megawati Sukanoputri, she served as president from 2001 to 2004.
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In Turkey, Tansu Sillar was elected prime minister of Turkey in 1993.
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What about Pakistan?
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Of course, how could anybody forget about Benazir Budo, who was elected prime minister
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twice, serving from 1988 to 1990 and from 1993 to 1996.
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Budo was a member of the Pakistan People's Party, Socialist Progressive Party, and on
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December 27th, 2007, she was assassinated by a terrorist who shot her and then proceeded
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to detonate a suicide vest full of ball bearings, killing at least 23 people.
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My point here is that it's painfully easy to find elected female leaders in the Islamic
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and Arab world.
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In many cases, they outpace the West in terms of that sort of thing, whether it's Afghanistan
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having more women in parliament than us, or it's just them electing women to high-level
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positions long before we ever did or have yet.
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We have not had a female president.
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A lot of these countries have had female primary leaders.
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Well, we can't have a female president because Islamic countries have done it, and we know
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now that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the West, which is why we can only have
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male presidents.
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He just said it.
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It's proven.
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Well, what Alex is doing here is a disgraceful, disgusting display of Islamophobia, and he's
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trying to erase the historical contributions that these women and many others like them
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have made in order to make his point.
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He has more in common with the terrorists that killed Benazir Bhutto than he does with
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any of these women, many of whom have worked to make their countries safer places for women
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and make them more Westernized, something that takes a level of courage Alex could only
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imagine having.
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Also, I really, really hate his phrasing here.
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He didn't say that Omar didn't have any consequences for what Alex thinks are lies she's told.
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He said, nothing's been done to her.
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That sort of language is unacceptable.
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Nothing has been done to her suggests that something needs to be done to her.
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From someone else, that might sound like an innocent slip of the tongue, but coming from
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Alex Jones, that is an incredibly violent sentence.
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The idea that someone needs to do something to her is incredibly fucked up.
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And just because I want to make this even worse for Alex, maybe because he uses language
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like that, I have another variable I want to bring into this.
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After he would be presented with this list of elected women in Arab and Muslim countries,
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he would probably get defensive and move the goalposts by saying that no Muslim country
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would ever elect a Christian to their government.
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And he'd be super wrong about that.
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Bahrain is over 70% Muslim, and Elise Samman, a Christian woman, was elected as the chair
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of their upper house of parliament in 2005.
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Boutros Boutros Ghali was Egypt's minister of state for foreign affairs from 1977 to
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1991.
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Granted, he was a huge dick and helped sell weapons to the Hutus in Rwanda that aided
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in their genocide against the Tutsi, but for our purposes, he was a Christian.
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Yeah, I was going to say, I don't like it when people bring up Boutros Boutros Ghali
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in any kind of positive light.
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I'm not saying it as a positive light, as a counter example to Alex's argument, that's
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it.
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It's just like when you bring up Dick Cheney and still being okay with his daughter being
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a lesbian, you're like, I get you, I get you.
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That is an outlier, but I do kind of hope.
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I bring it up strictly as a counter example to what Alex's rejoinder argument would be.
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I get you.
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And then also it is unfortunate because it's a really, really bad example.
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Like you know, it is a Christian guy who was the, you know, the minister of state for foreign
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affairs for a good 25, almost 20 years.
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Maybe we should kind of admit that it's less about Islam or Christianity and it's more
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about the both of them.
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It's more about the religion or about the person.
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It's more about religion in general.
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So then also Janet McHale, a Palestinian Christian, was elected mayor of Ramallah in the West
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Bank in 2005.
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And Leopold Sadar Singor, a poet and cultural theorist who was a large part of developing
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the concept of negritude, which sought to help Africans rediscover a post-colonial unifying
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identity, was a Christian and the president of Senegal from 1960 to 1980.
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Senegal is a country that is about 96% Muslim.
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Keith Ellison was the first Muslim elected to U.S. Congress in 2007.
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The point here is that by many, many metrics, much of the Islamic world is far more progressive
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than we are.
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There are 17 countries that require their head of state be Muslim, but in many of them
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other elected posts can be held by anybody.
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Obviously that's not an ideal state of affairs, but I don't really like the idea of telling
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countries how they have to run their affairs.
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Also once we have a president who is anything further away from Christianity than Jefferson's
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wishy-washy deist leanings, we can probably talk more about how open and pluralistic we
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are.
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Right.
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So my point is that if you get into the reality of stuff, none of it matches the Islamophobic
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version of history and these countries that Alex wants to perpetuate.
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Pre-religious takeover, religious coup backed by the United States, didn't Iran have women
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in its parliament?
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I believe so.
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I don't know all the, I don't know all the stats on it, but I believe so.
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Yeah.
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I would say that it's more like America is fundamentally incompatible with the world.
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Like that seems more likely to me that where you can also, you could possibly love democracy
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more.
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Who could possibly love America more than a Muslim woman who is fucking, she's a rep.
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God damn it.
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So many of the point of America is representatives like her.
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So many of the women that I was able to find who were politicians in the Islamic and Arab
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world and then these like majority Muslim countries, many of them had incredibly progressive
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and forward looking policies and used the idea of Westernization as what they strived
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for.
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Exactly.
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So what they brought to the conversation and to the countries that they were seeking to
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radically change were the sort of things that Alex should be in favor of.
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But because he's so beholden to this idea that Islam is incompatible with any good idea
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and that Muslims are essentially barbaric, horrible folk, he can't see the forest for
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the trees.
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He can't see those people.
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So Alex gets back to his complaints about representative Omar.
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And this is, I haven't really talked too much about Alex's response to the state of the
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union address because I think it's kind of boring, but you can kind of see what most
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of his complaints are in this clip and we can discuss it a little on the other side.
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What a monstrous pig.
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Great sir.
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Wouldn't stand up during the state of the union against sex slavery and women being
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freed from sex slavery because that's Islam's main business is capturing non-Muslim areas
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and selling the women into sex slavery.
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That's what it does.
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Islam has a business?
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It has cancer of the lungs or bone or brain.
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Don't worry.
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Trump's the bad guy.
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Well, the people are seeing through it, so they're going into high gear to remove him
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from office.
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We'll tell you about that master plan.
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That's been a huge news story since we broke it yesterday.
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It's hiding in plain view.
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When we come back, we'll get into the latest on Cortez and so much more today, but let
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me get to this.
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We're funded by you.
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And I know you know that, but literally we are under siege.
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Nice.
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Smooth ad pivot.
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So the news about Cortez is that she sucks, so we don't need to really talk about that.
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The plan to remove Trump is he committed crimes and they have been sent to state attorneys
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general and stuff like that.
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I don't know if you're breaking news here, but it's kind of like, all right, whatever.
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I would say if Mueller doesn't take him down, at least the New York state attorney general
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is going to make sure Trump is broke by the end of this.
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But the idea that that's some sort of a plot and that the Russia investigation was a cover
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for them to do that sort of thing is nonsensical.
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The idea that in tracking down threads that were related to this investigation of the
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Russian interference and what have you, in the process you stumble across things that
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are like, that's super illegal.
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It's outside my scope.
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Take it state court or whatever.
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That is how things go.
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That's not a facade.
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That's an investigation.
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A really important thing that people should, should be talking more about is, uh, they're
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all like, oh, Miller's going outside of his scope and I was like, hold on.
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If you're investigating a crime and you come across, uh, if you, and you come across a
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lot of crimes, maybe that suggests that the crime is probably there too.
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Or even related in some way, but discreet, you know, that sort of thing.
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Yeah.
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It's like if you rob a bank or something like that, someone's investigating a bank robbery
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and you find an unrelated murder that the person committed maybe in the lead up to,
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you're still going to investigate that murder.
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It's a murder.
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It's a murder.
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You're not gonna be like, ah shit, this is a bank robbery investigation out of my lane.
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But you might kick it to a homicide detective, right?
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You know?
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That's a cover up.
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Cover up.
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So the thing about Omar and uh, like, uh, Talib or Tlaib, uh, and uh, uh, Cazio Cortez
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and all of those people not standing during the state of the union, Alex has repurposed
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that to be, they support child trafficking and therefore they were against Trump in his
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speech.
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No.
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And I remember cause they stood up and screamed, you lie at the president, right?
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They're so disrespectful.
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It was a different guy.
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That was a different guy.
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No, no, no.
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But I remember.
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Different circumstances.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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You're mixing.
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Oh, I'm mixing.
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So, so no, no.
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That was cause that guy was black.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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Yeah, totally.
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So Alex did a weird ad pivot there.
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That was, that was not good.
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Uh, but what shook me even more to my core was that then he goes to commercial break
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and he comes back from commercial break and he does this.
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He starts doing another ad on the show, but then he realizes that he's not doing a good
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enough job.
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So he decides to do a second take, but it's all on air.
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Does he say take it from it's insane.
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Listen to this.
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Listen to this shit that we're going to, uh, get to this and the plan to remove Trump from
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office.
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We've been breaking down a moment, but earlier I didn't properly plug the special we've got
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going right now.
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So I'm going to do it right now for you, ladies and gentlemen, we set out with brain force
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plush about four years ago.
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I said, why are we going to all these top firms and all these top research groups and
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paying all this money, trying to figure out what the best cleanest nootropic is.
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Go to all the top publications, go to all the top studies, look at who the top three
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or four sellers are, then look at their product reviews, look at their ingredients, have experts
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check those, then go out and find a top lab, source our product even better, and then kind
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of fuse the best products that are out there and make it stronger for a lower price.
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That's my philosophy at market research, don't reinvent the wheel, just make it better.
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Steal it.
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Yeah.
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So that's what we've done.
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Brainforce plus is very popular at 29 95 normally discounted from 39 95 right now you can get
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it for 1995 those supplies are limited.
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Yeah.
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Normally 29 95 look at all those five stars, but if you get it in the, you know what, let's
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just stop right there.
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Let's stop cause I'm gonna start over.
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We're not going to show any images of the, of the, of the stuff on screen.
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I'm just gonna cause the problem is people think I'm directing the show.
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I'm not really, and I'm just going to start over right now and I'm going to talk about
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this for everybody right now and we'll put it in post because what I'm doing right now
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is I'm cutting an ad so we can fund the operation.
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I'm so busy.
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I don't do this in post when we're not live.
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I'm doing it live on air right now.
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So no videos.
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Thank you very much.
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Okay.
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Now I'm gonna start over here in just a moment and then I'm gonna get back into the news
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because we're going to find our operation.
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Okay.
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That's crazy.
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We're going to put it in post, put it in post on this live show.
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We're going to fix it in editing.
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No.
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What he's doing is like, I don't want to stick around for five minutes after the show to
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cut a fucking commercial.
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We're going to do it on the time when I should be going over the news stuff.
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I'm going to like really fuck it up for a good minute and a half in the back.
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No guys.
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Not start over.
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Start over.
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I'm going to do this.
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We're gonna put it in post, fix everything up.
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I'm going to talk about how great brain forces and then he does another two minutes just
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on that ad, doing it as a live commercial read.
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But on his show I was watching, I was like, this is too much.
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This is real bad.
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That's surreal.
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It is.
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It is.
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Especially after the like 10 minutes of God damn these Muslims, it's so weird.
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That's like listening to the, I imagine listening to that in real time must've been like, wait,
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did I get the wrong feed?
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Did they, did I get the secret?
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Did I get a secret episode that nobody knows about?
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It's hard to deal with listening for sure.
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For sure.
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And what I keep thinking is like, if you're going to be a flaming, awful, inaccurate bigot,
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then it kind of behooves you to go ahead and get your information right.
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Or not the information right, but do your show right.
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Don't do stuff like that.
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Don't do two attempts at a live read for a commercial that you shouldn't be doing on
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your show to begin with right after all of that bigot.
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But this is why Islam is incompatible with the West.
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They don't do two takes in Saudi Arabia.
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You think the United Arab Emirates has ever done two takes?
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That's a good point.
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No, no.
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But here in America, we have the freedom to do it over again.
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Yeah.
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Um, so Alex, uh, in the past has been talking about how he's mad that everyone's suing him.
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I understand.
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I empathize.
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It's tough.
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But as he's been discussing those things, another thing he said is that like, I'm fucking
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suing everyone too.
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Okay.
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I think he sees it as a good racket.
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People are probably going to be able to take him for a little bit of his coin, like I should
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fucking sue people too.
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So in the past months, Alex has been saying that he's sent out letters to people and he's
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started suing people already.
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He absolutely has been saying that a bunch, which made it hard to hear this.
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How dare you actually let people hear what Alex Jones said.
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We're just going to shut him down so we can then lie about him.
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And a new phenomenon is YouTube videos using washed up Hollywood stars saying we must stop
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the white supremacist Alex Jones.
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And I've shown it to lawyers.
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I go, yeah, no, that's a slam dunk case.
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Two years, it'll cost a half million dollars, but you'll win and they'll probably settle
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in six months.
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You want to do it?
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And I just, here's the deal.
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There's so many lawsuits I've got set up that are, that are slam dunks.
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I've just got to pick a couple of them and launch them.
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I've just got to, I've just got to do it and I got to start sending the letters out too.
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Just so let them know that, Hey, you need to stop.
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Okay.
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I would guess that that means all the other stuff has been blustery bullshit.
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I guess I'm going to guess that is too.
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He should save that for his journal or something like that.
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My pages or something, you know, like I really need to get these letters sent out where I
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threatened to Sue people who are washed up YouTube stars who call me a white supremacist.
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Well he's already sent out the letters, but they, he decided to send another letter and
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they would put it in and post.
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Also if anybody gets sued for calling Alex a white supremacist, I didn't even, yeah,
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I get the plan.
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There we go.
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I didn't even, I didn't even get that anyone gets sued for calling Alex a white supremacist.
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Please call us.
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Yeah.
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No, we'll, we'll do it all day.
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That will no longer be a slam dunk case for Alex at least, although he keeps saying slam
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dunk.
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I'm like, I wish if, if Alex, Alex, if you do listen to our show, which I don't know
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either way, I've been asked that question a lot lately and I don't have an answer for
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it.
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But if you want to let people know that you listen to our show, but you don't want to
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say our name, the next time you talk about having slam dunk cases, say that people should
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call you the Rex Chapman of the court because you've got a slam dunk case because no one
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will know.
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No one will know that it came from us.
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It'll just be you and me.
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Please say that Alex.
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So Alex complains about how, I really liked that, but could you do that one more time?
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Look, everyone thinks that I direct the show and I don't.
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We need to fund the operation by me talking more about Rex Chapman.
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So we're going to start from the top.
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That actually might be true.
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Rex Chapman.
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So great.
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We gotta get that Rex Chapman money.
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Or just talk to Rex Chapman.
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I'd like to.
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That'd be fun.
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He's done some great work against the opiate crisis and some good, uh, good, uh, activism.
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I appreciate that in, uh, somebody in their post career kind of thing.
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And the fact that he had sick dunks back in the nineties, go watch some Rex Chapman highlight
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reels, man.
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You have no fucking idea.
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Everyone gives it up to Jordan and stud web and mugs and bogs and D Brown and moving forward.
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Dominique Wilkins.
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And they're all great.
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Don't get me wrong.
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Absolutely.
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Rex Chapman was slapped on low key, sick dunker.
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When did Vince Carter come into the league?
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That was a little bit later.
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I like Rex Chapman's reign of 1997.
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I don't think he would ever made the final of course not.
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He was really good.
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It's very good at don't look an in game.
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Dunker is not the same thing.
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No, I'm saying in the dunk contest, he, he got robbed.
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He got robbed, not making the finals 93, 94.
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I don't know.
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I don't remember what year.
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Listen, it's not important.
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No, what is important is that Alex in this next clip is going to say some interesting
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things.
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I'm being generous.
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He says some things about, I don't know how to tell you this ahead of time, really except
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to say that what I think he's saying is he likes the world that unions have created,
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but also refuses to give any respect to unions for having created those sorts of working
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conditions that most people enjoy.
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So I think that's what he's trying to express.
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I'll see if you agree.
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But there's nothing like people who are in America bitching about how bad it is when
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they're trying to recreate what's outside the U S because say we want about the U S
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we've had our problems, but as corruption goes, we were one of the few places where
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you didn't just hereditarily get all the power than you, then everybody had to bow down to
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you.
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Like people had shootouts with the railroad magnets.
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I mean, people went to war with the establishment and stood up to it and got some concessions,
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but she's not talking about that.
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She is the establishment.
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So I don't think that, um, I don't think that anybody really achieved real progress through
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having like, let's say a dual with a railroad tycoon or something like that.
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I think he's metaphorically talking about the hard fought battles that unions had in
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order to get the five day work week, uh, for instance, well, let's not, let's not forget
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though that those were actual very real battles that a lot of people died in.
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Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm not saying, but they weren't, they weren't the shootouts,
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the way Alex seems to be describing.
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They were more like the massacres that you would imagine if a large amount of armed people
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centralized power versus workers.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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But the way that Alex is describing it, I think what he's saying is, is, I mean, sure
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we've had our problems.
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Big picture wrong.
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Middle picture, correct.
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Details wrong.
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Yeah.
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That's what I would say.
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It's an incorrect sandwich or something because the middle idea of like, yeah, we are better
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because of these struggles against these oppressive forces.
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Yes, absolutely.
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That's true.
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But you hate the people who did those things.
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The pie filling is Apple.
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The pie crust is a giant shit.
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That's what it is.
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Yeah.
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So it's weird to hear stuff like that and it makes me think that Alex, I mean, it's
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not news.
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He just doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Look, I love the 40 hour work week.
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That's great.
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I love having a full weekend off.
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That's awesome.
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I love being paid a livable wage.
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And instead of...
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I love my children not being at work.
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Yeah.
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I love not being paid in fun books that can only be used in the railroad magnate's own
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store that are actually undervalued and he's overcharging me for in his own fake currency.
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But listen, unions are bad.
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Yeah.
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I think he has it real twisted about what things are and how things became the way they
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are.
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But it's fine.
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You have to.
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I mean, we found that episode where he's like, so much of this information comes down from
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a lore.
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It's like, well, this probably comes from lore.
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But that's the thing.
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That's the type of thinking that my family uses to get around hating unions the whole
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time.
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They're all like, well, yeah, unions were important then.
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They're not important now.
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And you're like, oh my God, you do not understand rich people.
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But that's almost even a generous take compared to Alex's.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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Because he wouldn't even probably be willing to say that.
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It wasn't the unions.
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It was the patriots with inside the unions.
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Gunslinging patriots.
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Yep.
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So like I said earlier, I believe that Alex is still at this point drifting away from
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Trump, but maintaining the perception that Trump's victories are his group's victories.
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I think that's the dynamic that's at play.
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And I think that'll change by our next episode just based on this stuff.
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But for now, as we're listening to this on the 11th, one of the reasons that I believe
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that is because of this next clip.
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This is a coup by a thousand cuts.
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What does Trump do?
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How do we respond?
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How outrageous is this?
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Why won't he appoint special counsels on Uranium One and on the Clintons?
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Why won't he do it?
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Why won't he take action?
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Why won't he stand up the Internet censorship?
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That would be platforming everybody off their bank accounts.
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It's a reign of terror.
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Can I come back to Facebook?
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So yeah, I love Trump compared to Clinton and I love him compared to Michael Moore and
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I love him compared to Nancy Pelosi.
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But Trump isn't getting the message.
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He's watching Fox News at night and they won't talk about it.
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So he believes that Trump is in so much danger from this deep state cabal and he's been preaching
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the truth from the wilderness and what have you.
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And Trump isn't getting the message.
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I love him compared to Hillary Clinton and Michael Moore, which is basically him saying,
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I love Trump compared to people I think are the devil.
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Literally.
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Yeah.
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I think people I think smell like sulfur.
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Right.
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So that doesn't mean much.
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That's the idea of I love him compared to them.
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Fine.
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That's an ambivalent take at best.
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Right.
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Then say he's not getting the message because he's listening to this watered down pseudo
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globalist Fox News nonsense.
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Right.
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They won't tell him the truth.
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Right.
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And so to me that that still falls in line with the like growing frustration.
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Yeah.
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He might as well say, I mean, look, I love Ted Bundy compared to Hillary Clinton.
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Of course.
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You know, he was a good guy.
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But even when so this whole like Trump possibly declaring the national emergency that Alex
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has been pining for and all that stuff.
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Five bucks says he doesn't.
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Well, we'll see.
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But as of our recording time, we have no idea.
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All we've heard is all the talk he's the White House is saying that he plans to.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But like if he does that, I think it'll throw a wrench into the gears in time in terms of
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Alex's time frame.
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But even if it didn't and no matter what, I think that there is a turning away from
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Trump in terms of this stuff.
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But retaining the appearance that Trump's victories are his victories and all that stuff.
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I don't foresee a situation when Alex will ever turn entirely on Trump and tell Trump
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does something along the lines of actually recognizing the white supremacy problem in
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America.
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I don't think he's ever going to do that.
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Oh, hell no.
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But I think that that would be the point at which Alex breaks.
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Yeah.
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Everything else that he's cared so deeply about, he's turned his back on.
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Things like Rex 84, things like Posse Comitatus, he said are conditional now because Trump
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is doing them in some sort of a white nationalist way.
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And in this next clip, we have another example of it.
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This one was really fucking hard to hear.
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This is Alex turning his back on another one of his really big, deeply held positions in
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order to support what he wants Trump to do.
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You know, I don't know exactly how it entirely works, but is there a way that Trump could
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possibly use the continuity of government in calling the call him for the civil unrest
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that they're starting?
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I mean, it's getting bad enough.
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Well, here's the deal.
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I'm Mr. Anti-Marshal Law, I'm Mr. Anti-Police State, because I saw the Democrats building
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up an apparatus for the constitutionalist.
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Then the cops wouldn't do what the Dems said, so they started killing cops with a strong
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cities initiative to try to bring them in under globalist control.
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The police have woken up and kind of rebelled, doesn't mean they're perfect, nobody is.
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They're a cross-section of the country, but the country's woken up, so the police have
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woken up by and large, in fact, statistically more than anybody else.
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They are white nationalists?
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And so I don't want martial law, but the Democrats are putting us into a civil emergency.
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They're crushing our border.
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They're trying to end the country.
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They started the war.
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So yes, we are going towards the Democrats are going to have a state of emergency to
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bring in their own martial law, or we're going to counter them.
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They're going to bring in their own crisis.
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We're going to have to crush them at that point or capitulate.
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They started the war.
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We're in an existential war for the very future of the country right now.
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So that's a convoluted load of nonsense, but what's underneath it is Alex being like, look,
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I'm an anti-martial law guy.
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I'm Mr. Anti-Martial Law, but I would really love to see a martial law.
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I'd love to see Trump use these COG continuity of government things that I've been screaming
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about for years, being super terrible.
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I'd love to see him use those.
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It's just so sad.
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All these dominoes that keep falling of his life's work, his entire career, just being
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like, just on this, being thrown away is wild.
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It really gives you a cautionary tale about what it's like to not have unconditional principles,
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to have principles that you pretend matter, but actually don't.
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They're really in service of something else.
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Because if you present them as intrinsic and unconditional priorities for you, and then
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when conditions change a little bit and you just waffle on those priorities, it really
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calls into question your believability about anything.
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Well, it's fucking stupid.
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I mean, it's fucking stupid.
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And it's fucking stupid because it is a double-edged sword.
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What it seems like now, all he really cares about is his side winning.
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And that seems to be true with all of the right wing.
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Like I would say so many of them know how shitty, in Congress, so many of them know
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how shitty a President Trump is.
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And once he's gone, they will all pretend that it never happened and that they were
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all resisting from the inside.
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I will give you a million dollars right now, a million dollars right now that says in two
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years they're all like, no, we were all secretly resisting Trump from inside.
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I believe that'll be the case, but I don't think that they'll just go back to everything
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is fine.
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I think they'll use the memory of this period of time as like a cudgel to some extent.
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And the point being is I am interested to know if this is how it has always been or
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if there was a turn based around the propaganda that was built up when Obama was elected,
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wherein it stopped being about even trying to govern.
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There was no government like whenever.
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What's this fuck?
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McConnell said it's our job to make sure you're a one term president.
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It stopped being about governing at all.
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Yeah, I think and it's entirely about I just want my side to win.
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I think that peace has always been there.
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I think it probably has always been a loyalty to the party or the team or whatever.
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But to the extent it is now, I don't think it's I don't think it's the same.
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I don't know.
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It's bananas.
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They don't believe in anything from every bit of studying and research that I have been
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able to do.
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I think this is very different than other periods in our history.
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Just for what I'm not even talking about Obama, because it'd be too easy to point out how
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obviously stupid this is.
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If you just talk, imagine Obama declared a national emergency to build a wall.
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The entire fucking states would crumble into a rubble as white people just started lighting
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themselves on fire in the streets.
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But I'm talking about imagine if fucking H.W. Bush declared a national emergency for this
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shit.
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Everyone would have gone wild.
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Probably.
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It is crazy.
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And the other problem, too, that I don't know if I've seen a whole lot of talk about necessarily
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in terms of this stuff is like if Trump does declare a national emergency and it's in order
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to build this wall and stuff like that, what's behind that is the idea that you have to stop
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immigrants with this wall or whatever.
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The emergency is immigrants.
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The state of emergency.
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When does it end?
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At what point of immigration does it end?
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When no one's allowed back.
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Right.
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Is that it?
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That's the goal?
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What do you think?
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It's Stephen Miller's fucking idea.
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His stated goal is nobody else comes into the states ever again and everybody who's
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not white goes away.
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I understand that.
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I'm asking that slightly rhetorically in the sense of like-
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Yeah, I'm sorry.
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Oh, no, no.
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I mean, I think your response is fine.
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At what point would you ever rescind that state of emergency?
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You can always use it as a threat that we're under.
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At what level of immigration?
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Because it's never going to be zero.
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We're never going to get to a point where there's nobody coming in and until that point-
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And we-
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That would be a disaster.
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If we do, that is the end of the even idea of America.
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Oh, I mean, yeah.
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It's gone.
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We should all just quit.
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I agree, spiritually.
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But more to the point, the logistics of it are, in essence, you're going to create a
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perpetual state where you are in this emergency.
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I don't believe that states of emergency work the way that Alex believes.
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I don't believe that if you create this state of emergency in order to build the wall, all
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of a sudden you're a duke or whatever Larry Nichols believes.
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If you call it a national emergency, you are the king.
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You run forever.
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I don't believe that that's necessarily the case, but I do believe that there are certain
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things you can do to override the balance of powers and that sort of stuff.
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And if it's such a vaguely conceived state of emergency as to like, I want to build this
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wall to keep people out, it's not going to work, you're not going to keep people out.
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So the conditions that require you to build that wall are never going to necessarily be
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eliminated.
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You have an untenable situation moving forward where you just, I mean, it does introduce
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the idea of-
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Oh my god, do you see the flashing sign that just jumped up there?
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It's just a big flashing neon sign that says fascism.
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It's amazing.
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It just says fascism on it.
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Well, here's the reason why you should also be more worried.
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Alex, I don't even know how to set this up.
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There's a lot of stuff I don't know how to set up in this episode.
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I think that he crosses a line in this episode.
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We talk about lines he crosses quite a bit.
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I think it's important as you listen to this next clip to remember that earlier in this
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same episode on February 11th, he's talking about an elected representative-
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Who hates America.
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According to him.
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Being of a religion that is incompatible with America-
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They shouldn't be in it.
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And the West and all that.
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National emergency.
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Theater out of Congress.
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The idea of all of this rank Islamophobia.
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And granted, he has all kinds of other bigotries, but that seems to be one of his picadillos
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on this episode.
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Anyway, I want you to remember that because that was the same episode and it was intense.
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It was intense and awful and targeted.
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It was very targeted.
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And then he says stuff like this towards the later part of the episode.
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If stuff goes into a civil war, folks, you don't go down and demonstrate, okay?
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Everybody knows that.
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If things really go into a hot war, they've already cut off our bank accounts and are
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arresting us.
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You don't even go out to the police.
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You know who the enemy is.
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It's the globalist.
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It's their operatives.
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That's absolutely critical, okay, folks?
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That's pretty clear, isn't it, Brandon?
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Yes, sir.
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And we're not calling for that.
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Just if they want a war, just like at Bunker Hill, the captain said, listen, we don't want
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a war.
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We don't want it to start today.
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But if they came for a war, they're going to get one.
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Don't shoot first.
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They shot her around the world, was fired by the redcoats and the rest is history.
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So if they want a war, they're going to get one.
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And they know who's loyal to America and who isn't, they know who isn't going to back down
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and who is.
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They've already been testing to see who's going to roll over during this.
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So get ready, folks.
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You want to go toe to toe with the globalist.
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Just understand it's on.
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And remember, Pelosi and all them are going to wake this out in Hawaii and in Tasmania.
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But I imagine that there are a lot of people in those areas that have already made Santa
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Claus list about, you know, everything that's going to go down because of the global instinct.
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They're going to sit here and screw this country and screw our children over and pull all this
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crap and that there ain't going to be a two way street here.
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They're going to be blowback.
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What do you think is going to happen, my friend?
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I appreciate your call.
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There he went.
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That is so fucked up that I know that he's couching his language so much in the world
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to start this.
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But we're already planning to kill all of you.
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That's crazy.
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And the idea that, like, oh, Pelosi is going to hide this out in Kauai.
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But I got people in Kauai who's got a list of people to kill.
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That's so fucked up.
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Yeah.
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Did I hear what I thought I heard?
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Which part?
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Oh, I'm going to say yes.
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All of it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think the thing that concerns me most.
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That's what it is.
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I'm sorry.
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I didn't mean to interrupt you, but that is a conditional order to kill globalists in
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his idea.
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Yeah.
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He said, don't go after the police.
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Don't go down and demonstrate, you know, kill the globalists and their operatives.
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And whoever their operatives are often is a really vague concept.
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Because earlier in the episode, he even said that, like, people of, like, he even said
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stuff that was very close to, like, trans people are globalist operatives.
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Not a one to one, like, definitional thing.
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But that was an implication of something he said earlier in the show.
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So like when, if you are someone who listens to him and believes him, he's giving you a,
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if shit gets bad, kill the globalists and their minions.
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If their minions are the people who are the people you demonize, then this is when shit
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gets bad.
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It's carte blanche to go kill those people that aren't on board with the info war.
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And that is not acceptable in any way.
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Even if you're saying it with this conditional, if shit pops off, let's do this.
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That is not okay in any way.
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I think I found it, because, you know, I've heard him, I've heard him call for out and
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out murdering people all the time.
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I think the thing that blew my mind is that he was talking directly to a person.
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Oh yeah, yeah, to that caller.
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Like that, if you were the caller there and you were like, I just want to talk about stuff.
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And he's like, all I'm saying is you should probably be ready to kill.
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And if you aren't, you're a pussy.
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And if you're not ready to kill, that means you're probably a globalist.
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So we're going to kill you.
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Yeah.
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You're going to get some blow back.
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And that guy, that guy's just like, yeah, cool.
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Like wouldn't you listen to that?
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Wouldn't you listen to that and be like, I should change a lot of things about my life.
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If this is the guy I'm listening to.
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Yeah.
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Either that or that your car down the road, you get like really excited by it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like there's no way to describe that call or any other direction.
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So now when you hear stuff like that, it's really tough because on one hand it's not
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illegal, I guess, because what you're saying is like, we're not going to do anything, but
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if shit gets bad, we're going to fucking kill you and your people or whatever.
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So there is still like, I'm not encouraging violence or whatever, but it does introduce
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a really interesting question that Alex never answers.
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And that is when is the time?
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What is the point at which it is now necessary to kill the globalists and their minions?
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Unfortunately, Alex gets another caller.
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Oh no.
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This caller is a creep.
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He says some really creepy shit about being inside globalist houses and then he asks Alex
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what the time is, which is exactly that issue that is so vague in the way Alex presents
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this.
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This is a Mike down clip.
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Listen to what his fucking answer is.
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I have stood next to Ray Kurzweil.
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I have stood next to Nathan Wolf.
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You can look him up.
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He's a DARPA.
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Okay.
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Listen, listen, listen.
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You got me ready to have a cream my pants.
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Let's just stop right there.
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I get what you're talking about, brother.
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I understand.
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That's exactly what these bastards don't get is the very helicopter pilots, the very jet
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pilots, the very people guarding them hate their guts and can't wait to deliver them
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to the bottom of the Davy Jones.
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I understand.
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Yeah.
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We're, we're in your houses.
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We watch you while you sleep.
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I don't think they realize that because they've taken our strength for weakness, Brian.
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I don't know what to do.
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I'm a former military, former police officer, and I'm just frustrated.
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Well, I think while you're talking, please don't do anything, but I think where you're
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talking is great.
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We're not gonna go right in the street and kill cops like the left does.
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Stuff goes off.
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We just clean house, don't we?
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What's the catalyst going to be?
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I think we're going to know it when it comes.
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We want to fix it, but I don't know, brother, but you're getting meat.
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Believe me, believe me, you're talking the talk that you know, I already got going on
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in my brain.
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Let's just, we need to hold back.
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We just need to hold back.
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But I understand we need to let them also know that we're not scared.
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When you have a situation where you're saying that there is a conditional point at which
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in order to save America, we will need to kill our enemies.
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And someone calls in talking about the idea that I'm inside people's houses.
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I know I'm there.
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People don't even understand, you know, I've, I've been in Ray Kurzweil's house and shit
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like that.
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And then asks, what's the catalyst?
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And your response is, I think we'll know it when we see it.
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You are now giving them permission to define the point, whatever, whatever, when they know
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it, whenever they see it, they'll know it.
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That is basically saying like, Hey, don't, don't do anything, but you'll know when it's
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time.
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If you feel like it's time, go ahead and kill that globalist.
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To a guy who sounds very unstable.
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Somewhat.
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Yeah.
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His, the longer call, I think he's, he's very creepy.
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And I'm, I have some red flags on him, but he's far from the worst, like most unhinged
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info wars caller I've ever heard.
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Right.
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No, but I would say he's in the upper echelon.
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I think that's kind of a bigger problem.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It speaks to something.
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I would say that his, his seeming like, I like not to armchair psychologist, any of
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this, but that guy sounded like he was looking for permission to kill.
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Yes.
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So I don't disagree with you.
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So that's it.
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Alex gave him permission conditional approval.
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Yeah.
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I mean that, that's the sort of thing like now it would be one thing if Alex was literally
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saying, go kill people or whatever that would be cut and dry.
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That is something that you, that's a crime, that's a crime.
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This is the most cowardly way to do the exact same thing or at least have the same message
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get out.
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Yeah.
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But beyond the technically on the right side of the law, the idea that you're telling people
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there is a time you'll know when you see it is just sort of being like, I want this to
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happen, but I refuse to take responsibility for saying that I want it to happen.
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And uh, I don't know, I don't, I don't think it's illegal, but I'm not, I'm, I'm right
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up against where I think it should be.
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That's really fucked up.
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Yeah.
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That's really fucked up.
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It shouldn't be legal to do anything but say like, dude, go to see somebody, go see a therapist,
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go see a psychiatrist, go do what needs to be done because you're in a bad place right
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now.
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Not laugh maniacally and be like, you were giving me a boner with this talk.
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Yeah.
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It's gross.
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And it's, and it's interesting, the, the rhetorical question, I would say the, the question of
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when is a revolution necessary and actually interesting question like the, if you want
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to talk to have it, I mean, yeah, if you want to talk about, uh, the United States revolution,
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what was that?
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But we got a couple of cent tax on tea, so we decided to kill a lot of people.
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Yeah.
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There might've been, there might've been larger issues at play too, right?
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But you know, when you look at, you look at the situation that we're in now and you're
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like, I don't know what the point is.
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I suppose it's whenever democracy completely breaks down, right?
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I don't know.
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I have a definition of myself.
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Um, and I, I think that, I think it's a larger conversation.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, no, that's, that's why it's an interesting question.
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It is not a question to be just given like a, Hey, you'll know when to kill.
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Like that's not the answer to that question.
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No, because especially with like the way the, like the QAnon internet world, uh, has evolved
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to the point it is now they have a lot of ideas of what would be a triggering event
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of something.
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Yeah.
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So you don't know who you're talking to at any point.
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If that person has some sort of a belief that Trump is going to do X, Y, or Z, it's going
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to be a sign or something like that.
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They could take any indication of, of some tweet of his as to be like, let's go, let's
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go, let's go.
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You might end up encouraging someone to kill someone.
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Exactly.
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It's not like we've seen so many people show up so many places with guns and fire.
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It's tremendously dangerous and that's the most generous thing I can say about this.
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It's so irresponsible.
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It doesn't help Alex at all.
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It doesn't help his bottom line.
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His audience is already radicalized.
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This is very stupid.
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And really when he's being sued about Sandy Hook stuff and like causing these people so
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much pain, the families of the victims and stuff, I can't imagine being the type of person
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who would court the possibility of recreating that scenario.
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The inability to learn from past mistakes.
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Like he's probably out- Well, he has an inability to learn, period.
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True.
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That is true.
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But you would think that like, just, I don't know, your reptilian brain would kick in where
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it's like, that dog bit me.
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Now I'm careful around dogs or whatever.
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Right.
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It's different because Alex did this to himself as opposed to a dog biting him.
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But you would think that he would just intrinsically learn, don't do this same thing again.
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And yet he insists on doing the exact same thing.
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Continues to do it.
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Yep.
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So we're done- What's the definition of insanity, Dan?
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That's actually not.
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No, I know.
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We're done with the 11th now.
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And when I listened to that episode, I was exhausted.
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I was burnt out and I was like, well, fuck.
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I don't want to just do an episode about Monday for our Friday show.
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That would be crazy.
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That would be fair to the listeners.
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And so I jumped into the 12th and- Thank you very much, you poor, poor bastard.
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Well, it was worth it once I got to the 13th.
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Okay.
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But the 12th has some interesting, weird stuff inside it.
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It's not a great show.
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And I'll say this ahead of time.
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So Gavin McGinnis shows up at the end of the episode along with this guy, Ali Alexander.
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And what they-
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No, I think I saw...
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I couldn't avoid it.
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You saw that bit?
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I couldn't avoid this.
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The comedy bit?
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Like he got slapped or something like that.
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Gavin McGinnis does a character, he leaves and then comes back pretending to be his brother
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and Alex and him get into a little bit of a slap fight and then it's comedy, man.
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It's hilarious.
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Great.
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It's a desperate attempt to get people to share the video and get free buzz marketing
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and all that stuff.
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Right.
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Of course.
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Who gives a shit?
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It's also just bad as comedy.
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There was no commitment to the bit.
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There was no evolution to it.
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It was hacky at best.
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And also, Gavin is-
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The right is really great at comedy, Dan.
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I don't know if you know this, but the right is really taking over comedy.
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Paul Joseph Watson has explained that to me.
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They're really getting it now.
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I'm thrilled.
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I'm thrilled to see what they've got.
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I love Nick DiPaolo, whatever.
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So Gavin's on basically because he's suing the SPLC and that's not going to go well.
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Yeah.
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Good luck, Gavin.
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And so Alex is doing this whole thing.
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He's like, I know about the SPLC.
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And he's pretending he has all this hidden knowledge and stuff like that, but it's all
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just him being like, they were in the city.
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They were running it.
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Like, all right.
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You've said that for a decade.
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Who gives a shit?
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That's not news.
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Whatever.
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So we're not going to talk about any of that stuff.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Because I don't care.
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Thank you.
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But there are a couple of big pieces of information that he drops on this episode that I think
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are important to discuss.
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And the first is a lie, a narrative lie that he's telling about a recent murder in New
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York and how it relates to abortion laws.
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This man reportedly stabbed this woman more than 30 times in her stomach, screaming, die,
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baby, die.
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That's in the place report.
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He wanted that baby dead.
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And dead that baby is and dead the mother is, he then slit her throat.
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She's another partial birth abortion, isn't she, poor lady.
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I guess she's a post-birth abortion.
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And the police say, sorry, we're only charging him with one homicide.
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Doesn't matter that the baby was close to being dead.
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Nope, the baby wasn't.
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So I think it probably goes without saying, but Alex is kind of just making shit up here
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about this story because there is a conversation that's happening in the larger world about
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the idea of late term abortions.
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And New York has become sort of the focal point of it.
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And then unfortunately, also this murder happened around the same time and it's creating a very
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convoluted conversation in the right wing.
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And I think we need to disentangle some of the pieces of it.
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While it's true that there is a law that got changed in New York recently regarding whether
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or not you can be charged with homicide when you kill an unborn child, that is true.
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It likely doesn't really have anything much to do with this particular murder case that
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Alex is talking about here.
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Some of the language that was taken out of the legal definition of homicide included,
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quote, homicide means conduct which causes the death of a person or unborn child with
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which a female has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks under circumstances constituting
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murder.
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The victim of this murder, Jennifer Irigoyen, was five months pregnant.
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So it's unlikely that she was even past the point of 24 weeks.
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It's far more likely that this is what the situation was involving her murder is that
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the prosecutors had an open and shut case of first degree murder and the prosecutor
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probably didn't want to tack on more charges that may or may not stick.
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When he's going away for life, I kind of understand why get messed up in a little this gray area
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of stuff.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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So there's a few corrections that I need to make to Alex's story.
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The first is the murderer didn't stab Jennifer in the stomach 30 times.
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Some of his stabs were to the torso, but he also mostly targeted her neck.
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He didn't yell, quote, die, baby, die.
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There was a neighbor who heard the attack who said that she heard the victim scream
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about how he was going to kill the baby.
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But the way Alex is presenting this doesn't match any of the reporting on the story.
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I think he's just embellishing the story to make it more emotional to his audience and
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make the cognitive leap between this murder and abortions more easy for them to make in
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their head.
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Yeah.
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The pairing of the two.
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And the third thing is a big reason to change the existing law in New York is because the
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law as written didn't do anything except criminalizing appropriate health care.
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I was about to say exactly that.
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If you were a woman there who found out in your sixth month of pregnancy that the fetus
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in your womb was unviable or wouldn't survive after birth, but your health wasn't at risk,
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it would be murder for the doctor to remove the unviable fetus from your body.
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Essentially, you would have to go to a different state or live for three months in a state
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of unbelievable emotional devastation that no one should have to be put through.
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New York State made abortions legal in 1970, three years before Roe versus Wade, but has
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never updated their state statute since.
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And thus, the archaic language remained until very recently.
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Literally all the old language did was make it harder on women since in cases like the
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one Alex is talking about, there's still plenty of criminal charges on the books that could
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be applied.
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New language added to the bill makes it clear that the only people who are permitted to
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perform abortions are licensed health care practitioners.
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So the idea that this guy who was stabbing this woman, that's just a late-term abortion
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is nonsense.
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It doesn't apply at all.
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Legitimately, all this is is about protecting a woman's right to choose and many other states
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are far past New York's in terms of protecting that right, even considering this new update
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to the language of the law.
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This is a tragic situation where this woman's ex-boyfriend wanted to murder her and whatever
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the motivation for that murder is was not public by the time Alex got on air and started
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talking about this stuff.
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Yes, he probably did also want to kill that baby.
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I don't think that that colors anything at all.
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I don't think that that makes Alex's argument make more sense.
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I think it makes everything more tragic, certainly, but in the...
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It's dudes.
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It's dudes.
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Well, certainly.
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It's dudes.
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In the...
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All that the 24-week...
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And that's the thing that's amazing to me about the way that the right wing has couched
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that language is always like, we're trying to protect fetuses, but all they're really
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doing is harming women.
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Like with that 24-week situation, what are they really criminalizing?
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Are they criminalizing doctors?
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No, they're criminalizing women who are fucking freaked out of their goddamn minds, who try
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and do...
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And who can't get an actual abortion from anywhere because of 24-week laws or whatever
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it is.
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And they try and self-induce an abortion or a miscarriage.
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And of course now they're murderers.
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That's what the law is.
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It is not a deterrent.
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It is not something that's going to help anybody.
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It is only something that is going to criminalize the very idea of being a woman.
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And as this debate has been happening, and I call it debate very generously because I
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don't think it is.
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It's a massacre.
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Well, I mean, like in the last month or so, there's been a lot of conversations that have
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been happening in public about...
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Oh, because the Supreme Court is gonna overturn Roe v. Wade.
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I mean, there's a lot of fears about that and, you know, who knows?
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Hopefully not.
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Hopefully things stay fairly sane and what have you.
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But because of this New York law change and stuff like that, it's triggered some of these
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conversations.
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And I would just beg everybody, go and read some of the accounts of women who needed late
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term abortions and were not allowed to have them.
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Those sorts of stories are very publicly available.
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There's some you can find in like the New Yorker and Huffington Post recently warning
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they're very triggering in many ways, very tragic.
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But if you read those stories and don't come away from them with a greater understanding
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of what the actual issue is, then you're not paying attention.
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There are...
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One of the things that really struck me in one of the articles that I read, I think it
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was the one in the New Yorker, was the person who wrote the article was talking about the
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argument of any legislative or legal rules about abortion really hinges upon the idea
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that there's a world where people just want to kill fetuses.
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Yeah.
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Like they wantonly want to kill fetuses.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And reading that sentence is like, oh, yeah, totally.
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Yeah.
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Whoa.
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I didn't even think about that.
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The idea that you have to make laws is predicated on the idea that people, if those laws weren't
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there, would just be like, let's fucking kill babies.
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Of course.
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But it is the worldview Alex presents, the idea that these people do genuinely want to
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just murder fetuses, when in reality, every single doctor...
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Well, not every single doctor, because in the same way, the climate, people, there's
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a couple shitheads.
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There's an asshole everywhere.
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But 99% of doctors that you talk to or people who have been in that situation are not looking
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to kill anybody.
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They're looking for appropriate healthcare.
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And I think it's like 1% of all abortions are late-term abortions.
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And they are never light decisions.
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And then when we say this, somebody like Alex would say, what about Kermit Gosnell?
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Like, yes.
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Right.
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Fuck off.
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Fine.
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You have one example.
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Yeah, I get it.
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I get it.
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And that person, if he weren't in that position, would be killing children probably.
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Right.
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You know, he would be victimizing somebody.
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That's not about abortion as much as it is.
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That guy would still get arrested, even if late-term abortions were legal, because of
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what he was doing.
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I can't imagine being seven months pregnant and getting the news that your child was going
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to be stillborn.
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And then having to carry it.
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And then having to carry it.
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Or go across state lines.
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Yeah.
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And if you can't afford it...
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Can't do it.
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Then you just have to be pregnant knowing that you're going to go through two months
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of fucking hell and then years of hell.
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That is unreal.
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And that law really protects...
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No doctor.
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What?
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No.
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What?
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No ethically operating doctor who wouldn't have other reasons that their license should
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probably be under review would ever perform, like, late-term, real late-term abortion when
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there wasn't a good reason.
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Whether it's the fetus is unviable outside of the body or is a risk to the woman.
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And that sort of thing.
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So actually, I had a bit of a maybe naive position or just unexamined position of like,
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yeah, after a certain point, there should just be laws against abortions and stuff like
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that.
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But from looking into this and reading a lot of these stories and looking at doctors' perspectives,
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I've come around to the point where now my position is there should be no laws about
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it.
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It should be all decisions made between doctors and women, quite frankly.
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I think that's the position we need to get to.
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I 100% agree.
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I remember growing up because I grew up religious.
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I remember being told...
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Well, everybody who's listening to this.
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I mean, I guess...
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No, I know.
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I like the way you choked on those words.
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That's all.
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That's all I was laughing at.
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Well, I'm just so fucking furious with...
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I mean, if you've listened to this show, you know I grew up religious.
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If you're new, welcome to the fucking Thunderdome.
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I don't know what to tell you.
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And my parents being so vehemently anti-abortion, period.
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And I remember being like 14 or 15 and knowing somebody who had gotten an abortion and having
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them communicate the entire thought process.
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And that was it for me.
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I was literally like, no, whenever.
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It's your...
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It's you.
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I don't even think a baby is...
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Until you're conscious, I don't even know if you're a real thing.
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Yeah, I know.
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You're just an existence.
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I mean, that's a joke, but at the same time, it's not okay.
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You're only hurting a person.
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The actual concerns that people could have that are based in reality would be handled
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by oversight and regulation of the medical industry.
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Some of those regulations are there to begin with.
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Some could be strengthened and more oversight made.
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Those sorts of things to make sure that people are operating in an ethical way that follows
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patient's wishes and they're not acting capriciously, that sort of thing.
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All of the things you could hope to solve legislatively or punitively, you could handle
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through that approach.
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And I think it would protect vulnerable women far more than any of this law bullshit.
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Absolutely.
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So I've come around to that position.
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So I don't know.
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And there's no end.
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Pointing out hypocrisy now is stupid.
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It's stupid.
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They don't give a fuck.
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But the idea that the same group of people who want to make it impossible for a woman
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to get an abortion, want to make it impossible not to own a gun is never-endingly insane.
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Never-endingly insane.
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There are so many, so many fucking...
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And even more insanely, they don't want access to preventative like birth control.
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Oh, of course not.
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So that's where they sort of tell on themselves a little bit.
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People who are anti-abortion and aren't in favor of like wide access to the morning after
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pill and contraception.
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They're just fucking idiots.
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Just be fucking honest.
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You don't want women to participate.
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You don't want women to have agency.
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Just be honest.
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At least then we can talk about that instead of all this couching around.
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Yeah, short conversation.
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Yeah.
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Well, exactly.
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Because that's their legitimate position.
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It seems to be where all of it stems from, absolutely.
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But in the same way, you can't bring that out if you're them because they know it's
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a bad argument.
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You know what?
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They said that you couldn't bring out overt racism to win and they fucking did that.
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Fine.
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Give them a year.
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Well, fair enough.
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Trump wins in 2020.
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That will be the conversation.
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Oh, yeah.
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You make a good point.
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So on this episode too, that stuff was pretty ugly and I didn't enjoy necessarily hearing
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Alex's take on it, which he spends a fair amount of the show on.
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But he also gets to an op-ed that one George Soros wrote for Market Watch.
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Oh, God.
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Why is it...
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And it's about the troubles that the EU is facing.
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There are a bunch of challenges from these Euro skeptic groups and things like that.
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And so he wrote this op-ed that just basically discusses the challenges that the European
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Union itself faces and how it probably is going to lead down a very bad road.
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And maybe there are some ways that they can change the EU in order to preserve the EU
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and keep these people satisfied in some way.
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But it's not necessarily... He just thinks that people... The end point of the article
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is basically that people need to wake up to the idea that the EU will probably end up
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breaking up.
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And what will come from that is the same troubles that the USSR saw after it fell apart.
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He wasn't comparing the EU to the USSR.
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I imagine we're about to find out that he is.
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That accusation is going to be made.
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He used it as an example of another large group that ended up breaking up into constituent
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countries.
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Right.
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Or even though in the EU those countries are all still fairly sovereign and unique.
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He uses the Soviet Union as an example.
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He's not comparing... You know what I'm saying.
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Right.
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I know what you're saying.
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So anyway, Alex discusses this op-ed.
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Let me just do this.
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When you study globalists and you study their publications, they have business publications
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that pretty much tell you what's going on because business readers are going to be investing
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in things.
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They really want to know what's going on.
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Huh?
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For sophisticated audiences.
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What?
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Sure.
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And they hide it in plain view.
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George Soros just came out in a Wall Street Journal.
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Plain view of Illinois is where they give it all.
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And MarketWatch Online and op-ed and said, we need authoritarianism in the Euro or it's
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going to collapse like the Soviet Union.
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We need an EU army.
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Smash resistance.
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Sounds like the guy I know.
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That's just sensational evil.
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He didn't say any of those things.
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Those aren't in the article at all.
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What?
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Now, it's interesting because I was like, I read the article, it doesn't say that.
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Alex is presenting that.
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Why does he think that?
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One obvious example is he's lying.
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Yeah.
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Maliciously lying and he knows that no one's going to go read the article.
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That's one possibility.
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But then he talks about it a little more and I start to think maybe he's only read the
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Infowars article about this op-ed that George Soros wrote.
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And so he starts talking about the post on Infowars, but it's actually way worse than
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even that.
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But let's go to the next report here.
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Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare, but it's not too late to wake up.
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And who wrote it?
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George Soros.
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So zoom in on this for me, and I'm going to read this for folks.
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There's a boiled down article on Infowars.com that gets right to the quotes.
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Mr. New World Order, Twitter in uproar over Soros analogy comparing EU to the USSR.
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What have I compared it for my 20 years plus on air, but to the USSR?
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So Alex is thrilled with that comparison, but he read the headline, Twitter in uproar
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over Soros comparison.
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So I went to Infowars and I found that headline.
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That's not a boiled down on Infowars.
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That's a reposting of a Sputnik article.
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That is Infowars reposting a Sputnik article critical of George Soros.
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It's crazy.
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Come on, man.
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It's crazy.
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Damn it.
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Alex is presenting at this as like Paul Joseph Watson did a report.
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This is the boiled down.
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No, that's from Russian state media.
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You're just republishing it.
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At least try and hide a little bit for Christ's sake.
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And this isn't to say that RT and Sputnik never have any clean reporting or anything
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like that, but I will say that anytime it's something to do with the USSR and George Soros
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and it's coming from Sputnik, I bet it's in good faith.
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I'm going to say it's good faith.
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I'm going to say it's good faith.
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I'm going to say it's not by objective reporting that it's not good, fair and balanced or however
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you translate to Russian.
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It's not good that when I saw what is a boiled down article?
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It's when you put an article in a pot pot doesn't realize that reducing the article
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doesn't realize how hot the water is getting because of the low temperature.
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All right.
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All right.
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It's like it's like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So boiled down is basically just taking it's called cherry picking.
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Yeah.
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What it is.
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Yeah.
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Just choosing what you want.
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Yeah.
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And then presenting Soros's words in a disingenuous fashion.
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No.
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The moment he even said the words boiled down article, I was like, that shouldn't exist.
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Whatever it is that that means, I have an idea enough to know that a human being should
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not be allowed to read that.
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So then Alex reads the Sputnik article that's reposted on Info Wars.
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Damn it.
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Can you be more on the nose?
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I mean, he never points it out, which is the fun game that he plays.
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But what's really fun about it is he does most of it in his evil Soros voice.
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OK.
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It would take us all day to listen to him read two paragraphs of this fucking thing
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because he just said, I'm proud of him for making through two paragraphs.
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Well, I mean, it is Russian propaganda.
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So it's got a higher priority.
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Yeah.
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So here's a clip of Alex doing it, and he makes a very critical error in his ability
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to read, which I've always said is literacy is a problem.
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And I'll just tell you ahead of time.
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He thinks that the article says infection.
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The article says inflection.
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Oh, OK.
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This is the L in it.
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Now I got it.
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Now I got it.
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All right.
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The upcoming European parliamentary elections are set to become an infection point for the
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European project.
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The billionaire argued, according to Soros, Oh, funny.
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What am I called by CNN, MSNBC, an infection, a disease.
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Alex Jones is a virus.
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He must be silenced.
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He gives them spirit.
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He is willing to stand against us.
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We must first destroy his name.
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So he's gone off on this infection riff.
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Yeah.
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This is not going anywhere.
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It's not good.
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Has anybody.
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I thought somebody else directed the show when they have been in his ear being like
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you guys bad.
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You missed the L.
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This is inflection point.
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This is a bad inflection point is what the article actually says, not infection point.
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Good riff, though, boss.
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In a second here, he's going to do another run at the sentence.
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And I thought for sure he's going to realize that he misread it.
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He doesn't bankrupt him before we kill him, do not make him a martyr, destroy him first.
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Then I will have my victory over him.
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All right, let's get the upcoming European parliamentary elections.
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Oh, George, the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray.
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The upcoming European parliamentary elections are set to become an infection, an infection
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point for European project.
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Oh, the European project whose project is that?
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So he just does it again, riffs off the misreading of the article.
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It's so fucking funny.
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I kind of wish crazy to me.
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But also, actually, if you go to Infowars, I don't know what font they're using, but
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I can understand how Alex missed that L. The F and the L do blend together a bit.
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I'm not getting him off the hook for this.
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He should fucking know better.
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And it's his website.
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I believe it's Malign's New Roman.
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All right.
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Ah, yeah.
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See, this is where I wish we had a producer who could be like, hey, good riff, boss.
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So, yeah, I mean, that's bad.
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That's really bad.
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He hasn't read the op-ed.
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He hasn't read this article that's on Infowars reposted from Sputnik.
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He doesn't know what's going on.
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He just thinks he finds a word and then he riffs on it.
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He's like, yeah, that was good stuff.
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I did a great job with that.
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High five myself.
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So then he has Gavin McGinnis on and we're not going to talk about that at all.
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And now we're going to jump to the 13th, which is Wednesday.
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And this episode ends up going to some fun and not some fun places, but we'll start.
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It goes to some places.
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Yes.
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We'll start here with, I'd like to remind you that on the 11th, Alex was Islamophobic
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as shit.
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And then towards the end of the show, kind of conditionally told his audience to murder
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his enemies.
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Yes.
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And along the way also perpetuated Islamophobic ideas that were completely inaccurate about
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Muslim countries not electing women and those sorts of things.
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He's way off base on all sorts of things.
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So what he did on the 11th was singled out a group as an other and then suggested to
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his audience that they should prepare for violence against that other group and ensure
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that when that other needs to be killed, they should be killed.
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And then on the 12th, he insisted that Soros was supporting a Hitler plan.
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And he doesn't see the...
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Well, here's the thing.
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I do agree with your assessment of it, but I'm more interested in how, like he was way
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off base on the 11th, particularly about the Muslim countries not electing women.
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Yeah.
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That was embarrassing.
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Then on the 12th, he's off on this New York abortion story, crazy far afield, his angle
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on this.
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And then at the same time, doesn't disclose to his listeners that this isn't an info wars
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boil down, this is a Sputnik article, and then he hasn't read it and misreads inflection
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as infection and just does this weird da-be-be-be-be Soros voice.
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So everything has been terrible on his show.
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Like from a professional standpoint, including him having to redo that commercial back on
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the 11th.
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I forgot about that.
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It's been dog shit.
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That's delightful.
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This show has been dog shit for the last two days.
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And then he did the fucking fake slap fight with Gavin on the 12th.
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Really don't wanna believe that.
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Crazy stuff.
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So it should not surprise anybody that this is how he starts the show on the 13th.
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I'm particularly focused today and I've got a particularly powerful mapped out transmission
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for you.
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And I don't think anybody that's been listening lately can deny the broadcast have been particularly
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piercing with the guests, the research, the reports, everything, because the times demand
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it.
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Many a historian and many a individual like Winston Churchill pointed out that a lot of
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times it's not that a person's that great, but that they are in incredible times and
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they step up making themselves great.
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That is some narcissistic bullshit, especially considering how bad his show has been lately.
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No, no, no, no.
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This is gross.
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I say stuff like that about me all the time and that's because I'm so down to earth, Dan.
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It's not that I'm any good at anything.
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It's just that the times require me to step up and release my greatness into the world.
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If I were living in a less exciting time, like perhaps the 1300s, would I be a podcast
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host?
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Probably not.
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See, it's the times that have made me great.
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Sure.
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I don't know.
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All of this is to say that Alex is starting out like I'm real focused.
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I'm going to do a great job today.
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This is going to be amazing.
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The show has been great lately.
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I feel really good.
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Why would he feel that way?
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I don't know.
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Maybe he had some turbo force before the show.
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I don't know.
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I have no fucking idea.
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He had a full one?
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No, no, no.
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We would know that.
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We would know that.
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I think he's just-
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I think my show has been fucking great.
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Anybody who tells me otherwise, it's a wrong line.
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He's just feeling himself and nothing against that, not judging.
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But then he jumps in to some issues.
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And unfortunately, like he did earlier with the COG stuff, the continuity of government
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stuff, where he sort of invalidated a lot of his past points, he now invalidates one
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of the only things that you and I and him had mutual agreement upon.
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What is he going to say that we should illegalize marijuana?
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Nope, not that one.
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Oh, okay.
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And then Ted Cruz's really great idea.
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Oh, no.
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Really great idea.
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Reformature seizure in general, inside CONUS and against citizens is unconstitutional and
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very dangerous and out of control, and I want it reformed until people are convicted.
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Then it's constitutional.
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But on the border, Katie Barr, the door, that's where you're supposed to seize illegal stuff.
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And it's just a procedure.
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And that would fund it.
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I mean, 14 million in the coffers and different assets of El Chapo, that'll fund most of the
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wall right there.
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He's talking about the idea of like seizing all of El Chapo's assets.
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So asset forfeiture, that's illegal.
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But I mean, El Chapo has been convicted now in American court, what have you.
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But I think that those assets probably are the property of like the Mexican government.
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I think that those are Mexican assets.
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I don't think that we can just steal them.
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No, we got them.
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But I don't know.
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I don't know the law on that.
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I might be wrong.
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But they're still studying the waters because in order to create this wall, they would still
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need to seize the property of tons of people who own the property along the border.
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Like it's not the idea just you can't afford it.
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The civil asset forfeiture argument still involves the idea of like this is going to
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get into these people's property if you want to build, you know, the way you would need
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to build.
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They're going to give it up because of such great patriots.
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Otherwise why would you own property along the border?
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But no, that's not that's not the case.
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So the idea that Alex is bringing up like being cool with civil asset forfeiture when
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it's not civil asset forfeiture in terms of El Chapo's property or assets or anything
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like that is a preparation for being fine with the idea of people who have property
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along the border, having the property taken from them in order forcibly.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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In order to create the wall.
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He's doing this as a preemptive waffling on his civil asset forfeiture principles.
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That's a bummer.
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Because, you know, what can you do?
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I the more the more we dig, the more he talks, the more it's like you have two real principles.
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White people should own guns.
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Those are the only two.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's one principle, but it's the two pieces, the white people and guns.
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Exactly.
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They belong together.
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Yep.
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That's it.
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White people and guns.
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Chocolate and peanut butter.
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And it's white men and guns, really.
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Oh, well, yeah.
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As we learned in this next clip, women are incapable of defending our species.
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They're delivering the goods because we can't let the women and children down.
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There's still got to be men.
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Real quick.
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I got to pause because he's banging out a Depeche Mode.
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I know.
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I know.
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And Depeche Mode.
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Policy of Truth.
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Depeche Mode would want him to die.
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Policy of Truth is a banger.
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That is a great song.
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And it's hilarious to me because Alex plays it twice on this episode.
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Really?
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Yeah, he plays it twice.
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Oh, man.
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And, man, it's so clear that he's going through some shit.
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And the lyrics of that song are really right where he...
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The whole song is all about, you're going through some troubles now, everything's bad
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because in your youth you adopted a policy of truth, you could have lied, all that stuff.
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It's what he wants to believe about himself.
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And so he's playing it a bunch.
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I love the idea that his emotions are so mirrored by the music choices.
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It's like when times are good, there's like, he's bound down, roundabout and truck in,
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like highwaymen and stuff.
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Everything's like, hey, we're having a great time here.
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Ooh, look at this.
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I'm going to steal me a silver stallion.
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And when times are bad, it's like, you're being persecuted because you told the truth.
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Well, we're going to play an hour of Elliott Smith because Muslims, they exist.
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It might not be under his licensing agreement, but somehow Depeche Mode's one of the, I don't
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know, I wouldn't say lesser hits, but medium hits.
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I'm going to start this clip over because I want to hear more of a policy of truth.
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Okay, I knew it.
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We're delivering the goods because we can't let the women and children down.
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There's still got to be men.
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The globalists fear men.
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Everything they do is to target men, to dumb them down, to confuse them, to arrest their
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development.
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Are you sure?
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Because men carry the will to defend the species.
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They really don't.
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Women are the species and our union is holy and the enemy is attacking that with everything
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it's got.
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Weak.
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Weak.
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Weak.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's pretty crazy.
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That doesn't take into account, like, metrolenial societies.
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Now I'm not going to, I'm not going to go out on a limb here.
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Okay.
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I'm just going to say, I'm just going to be well within a normal conversation.
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At what point does defending the species just turn into murdering other people?
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I mean, there's a thin line for Alex, for sure.
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Right.
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But you know what's interesting?
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I had a conversation about the, the 5% nation, the nation of gods and earths not too long
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ago on the podcast.
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And when I was hearing Alex talking about this, the species and stuff like that, who
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can protect it, it kind of made me, I heard echoes of it, you know, in the sense that
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in the 5% nation or at least a classical understanding that Clarence 13X put out, it was the idea
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that the black man was God and the black woman was their earth.
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And they lived in this sort of like a symbiotic relationship of the, the, the God over the
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earth and the earth supporting the God.
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Right.
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Alex is describing a very similar relationship between men and women.
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You take out the Islamic roots and the, you know, all that stuff.
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Right.
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You're talking about the men are the ones who protect the species and the women are
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the species.
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Right.
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That implies a subservient role wherein without the men, the women are nothing and they know
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that.
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Right.
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So there's that same sort of dichotomy there.
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And it's bad in both places.
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Have we considered letting women, instead of like the men having a symbiotic relationship
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with the women, have we considered just letting women have all the control and then keeping
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men as pets?
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Have we considered that Ghostface Killah is actually Alex Jones and not Bill Hicks?
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That could be true.
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I don't know.
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That could be true.
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I don't think.
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Or did ODB fake his own death?
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No, their body types don't fit.
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That's true.
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Raekwon's pretty short though.
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I think he's probably shorter than Alex.
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No.
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There's no way Raekwon is anything.
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No.
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He's much better with words.
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Hell yeah.
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Much more gifted.
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So that's a lot of nonsense and it is what it is.
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Now over the course of the last, like, I don't know, since Roger got arrested, Alex has been
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really doing his damnedest to, I would say, with restraint, tell Roger to go fuck off.
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We've heard on the show him being like, hey, you know, he's taken away from a lot of our
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money and stuff, hey, I'm pissed off that every day is now a Roger Stone fundraiser
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on this fucking show.
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Gonna have to fire him.
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Yeah.
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That sort of thing.
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On this, the 13th, Alex says some, I mean, this is petty, this is Alex to a T.
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I like it.
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I'm already in.
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He is so mad at Roger Stone, but he can't get really mad and I really think a big part
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of it is that he knows that like Roger Stone is going to fuck me if we fight.
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Oh yeah.
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Absolutely.
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He is so dirty.
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He knows too much about me.
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You would never trust Roger Stone.
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Hell no.
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Even if you knew him a little bit and he knew stuff about you, you would never fight with
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him.
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You would let that whatever, I don't know, parasail glide gently down to the jail that
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is him going to prison.
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You don't shoot it out of the air.
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He's going to shoot back.
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Right.
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I lost track of that metaphor.
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I'm not sure, but I think it actually makes sense, but in a weird way.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex does one of the most overt, Roger can go fuck himself kind
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of things I've heard in a long time.
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I mean, I, I like Roger as a friend, but he doles out exclusives to like give some to
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Fox news, some to daily caller and he works here.
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I pay a salary and I'm checking both my phones here.
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Jack called us for comment on this like 10 minutes ago.
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It's like Roger Stone's enjoy the woodshed here pretty soon.
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Roger Stone has filed lawsuit against Robert Mueller, which he should CNN clearly as they're
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being coordinated by the FBI.
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He has the screenshots for the CNN screwed up and said, comment on your indictment.
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The idiot reporters.
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One thing about these traders is they are stupid.
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They sent him the day before he didn't really know what to do with it.
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He saw it the next day.
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Hey, you've been indicted.
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What do you make of this for the grand jury, even building?
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So that's incredible.
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So, so this is not being picked up yet.
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So this is a global exclusive in the United States district court for the district Columbia
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filed a day.
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Roger Stone's motion requesting a show cause order.
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So it's on gateway upon it.
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Well, that's good gateway punnet can hire Roger, which I think really does a great job.
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In fact, Roger Stone now works for the gateway punnet, which is good.
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I like the work they do.
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They're very prolific.
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They're Bulldogs.
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I really like.
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So, uh, there you go here at the info worst command center, uh, Roger Stone has been charged
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with Congress.
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It goes on from there about how they staged the whole deal, which is a great point.
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And you know, show the cause of how you trampled his rights to do this show.
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There you go.
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There's the, uh, there's the document right there.
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You know, people call us to find out what Roger's up to and I just, I can't tell you,
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I don't know.
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So Roger Stone now works for the gateway punnet ladies and gentlemen, seriously has them about
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10 seconds ago are like, Roger, get a job with the gateway punnet now cause here, let
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me check my other phone.
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I don't want to go off half cocked here.
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Maybe he called this other phone and gave them, gave me the, nope, doesn't look like
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it.
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Hey guys, you guys get this phone and plug it in for me.
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I'm going to mess around here, but I got to tell you, wow.
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Are we, are we Alex is Alex's a best girlfriend after he just went through a bad breakup.
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He's got, are we getting brunch together?
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Do we have mimosas?
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Is that what we're doing right now?
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It hurts.
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Fuck him.
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He gave the exclusive to gateway pundit.
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I pay a salary works there now.
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Fuck.
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Oh wait.
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And there's no way he thought that on that phone was a text Roger, that was playing that
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out as like, Oh maybe he called it.
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Nope.
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Go fuck yourself, Roger.
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You piece of shit.
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Oh, Oh, you went on a work retreat with Delilah from the office.
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No, she's just a work friend.
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I get it.
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I fucking get it.
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I get it.
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Your shit is on the lot.
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And Delilah, all the exclusives, because you know, they have more penetration into non
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insane people than I do.
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That's crazy.
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That, I mean, that's just, that's petty.
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That is, that is childish.
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I love it.
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But it's what you get.
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You're working with Roger Stone.
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I know.
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So a little bit later in the show, Alex discusses some signifiers of racism, let's say.
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His life?
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No.
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I believe this is part of a conversation he's having about Northam, the Virginia governor.
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Yeah.
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It's black face and what have you.
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Hey, who among us?
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Alex.
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Who are we to judge?
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Jimmy Kimmel?
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I'm not thrilled with that either.
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I don't think a lot of people are, but Alex has some thoughts about that and he starts
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talking about it.
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He shifts into weird territory and then we get back to his incredibly failed and ball
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dropped entirely a feud with Joe Rogan show at the bottom of the hour.
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This has gotten no attention, but if you think wearing black faces, man, if you think dressing
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up in a KKK outfit, which I think it's the context it's in, I mean, I'm not defending
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and I've never done that, if you think that then, then, then, then what Joe did is like
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capital murder.
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So apparently black face and wearing a Klan outfit are conditionally bad.
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They're not bad.
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It's context.
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It's context.
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Context matters.
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Yeah.
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If you're dressing up like Karl Malone, it's fine.
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I don't know if I support that line necessarily.
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I was being facetious.
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Very hard.
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I hope everybody got that.
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I think that there probably is a Halloween costume where wearing a Klan outfit would
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be okay, but it would have to be some sort of a pun where you're making fun of the Klan
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with the costume.
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You couldn't just dress up as a Klan member.
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Right.
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But if the Klan member was like on fire.
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Right.
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If you were able to find some way to make a statement out of the larger design of the
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costume, I'll accept that context.
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Oh, I just meant that you would light that person on fire.
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That would also, well, I mean, sure.
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I'm saying that there is a way that you could stretch Alex's words to make sense, but that's
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not what he's saying at all.
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He's saying that sometimes black face is pretty cool.
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He is absolutely saying that sometimes black face is pretty cool.
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So Alex has started this feud with Joe Rogan where he said he's going to hang him up by
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his legs and slit his throat politically or whatever, like a stuck pig and what have you.
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And then he backed off on it because I think he just ran out of steam and Rogan wasn't
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responding and it just didn't go great for him.
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So then a listener sent him a clip of Rogan from years ago talking about, we're not going
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to play the clip.
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Alex plays it.
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It's like a 30 second clip.
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I'm not sure what the context was, but it doesn't matter what the context was.
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It was fucking terrible.
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He's talking about going to see the Planet of the Apes in like a mostly black neighborhood.
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And he goes to the theater and Rogan says, I walked into the theater and we walked into
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the Planet of the Apes, which is racist on its face, but as Alex keeps trying to point
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out through his conversation of this clip, Rogan is a comedian.
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And so he's trying to walk this weird line where he's like, I'm not mad that you said
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that because you're a comedian and I get that you're not a racist.
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And in the process, he talks about how Rogan has a couple of black children that he's adopted,
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which he's like, you don't want people to know that.
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It's not public.
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I'm like, I don't know if it is or isn't, but if it isn't, Alex, you are being really
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fucked up right now in terms of putting Joe's business in the streets and not because they're
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black children or anything like that, because it's his personal life that he tries to keep
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private, whatever it is.
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Like a human.
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Just the idea that he has children he has adopted or whatever the case is, if he doesn't
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want that out there, that is his right to keep private because, you know, in the same
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way that Alex professes to try and keep his children private, you have a right to that
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as a public figure.
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Your children aren't an extension of yourself.
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So if Rogan was trying to keep any information about his kids or any of that stuff private
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and Alex is just blowing hard on air in order to serve his argument that I'm not calling
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you a racist because some of your adopted children are black, it's still bad what Alex
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is doing.
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It's very strange.
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So Alex is bringing up this clip of Rogan being racist.
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And he's trying to walk a weird line with that, too, where he's like, if I said stuff
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like that, everyone would be mad at me, but you get away with it and you're cool.
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The left would pillory me for this because what they do is find clips and bring it to
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everyone's attention to attack a person like, Alex, that is exactly what you're doing right
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now.
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It's literally one to one.
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It's exactly what you're doing.
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One to one.
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He's like, but I need to make an example of this, of how you get away with it.
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So Alex is going to discuss that, and before we get into it, I just want to make clear
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that I don't support any of this bullshit on either side, you know?
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I don't think Rogan's right in this.
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I don't think that Alex is right in this.
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I think that Alex is right in his criticism that what Rogan said is fucking racist, absolutely.
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The context is there that he's making a joke.
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It's a racist joke, absolutely.
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But Alex's assessment of it is correct.
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But Alex is the wrong person to make that assessment, much like the people complaining
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about Representative Omar being antisemitic, and they have tweeted out Soros memes, and
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stuff like that.
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Alex is incapable of making this argument without it going so far off the rails.
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I can't stress this enough.
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Alex has no business being involved in this conversation.
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He has no business.
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And as I'm saying right now, it goes off the rails so hard, so fast, and Alex ends up being
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so racist in trying to condemn Joe Rogan for this 30-second clip of Joe being, eh, he's
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being racist.
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Yeah, he's being racist.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, good for him.
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But Alex fucks it up so hard.
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It is so embarrassing.
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So here's the first clip where Alex discusses that clip of Rogan, and then it, boy, it's
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crazy to me how fast this goes bad, because it doesn't have to.
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It could end really quick.
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Like here's how this could go.
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If you were Alex, you could play the clip and be like, he gets away with stuff like
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this all the time.
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Everyone comes down on me for my speech.
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Please buy Brainforce.
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That easy.
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That easy.
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Easy.
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That easy.
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Not hard.
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Not hard.
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I am a victim by virtue of this existing and no one yelling about it.
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Buy Brainforce.
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What aboutism writ large, without any like, and also here's why it's fine for me to be
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racist.
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Right.
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Like, no!
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So bad.
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So fast.
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But I'm being unpersoned, Joe.
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I'm being destroyed.
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And then you sit there and compare black people to Planet of the Apes.
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Who are you talking to?
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Beyond blackface.
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And that's supposedly a-okay.
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And look, you're a comedian.
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I know you're not a racist.
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We're all simian.
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I mean, I mean, I look like a gorilla.
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What?
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I'm standing there with my clothes off.
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My wife's like, God, you look like a gorilla.
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I'm like, God, I'm trying to look like I've got this giant 20 inch neck and this huge
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chest.
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My chest is as big as Schwarzenegger's in his prime.
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It's ridiculous.
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I look like a gorilla.
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I walk like a gorilla.
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We're all simian.
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Of course, white people look like gorillas.
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Of course, black people look like gorillas.
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We're in that family.
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We're the super IQ, super gorilla.
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Jacked into God.
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But the point is, Joe, you can't have the whole let this thing and then eat the cake
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too, bro.
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You can't do it, man.
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Whoa.
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That was one, that was one run on sentence that went bad.
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That was, that was, what was that, Joe?
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You can't compare black people to apes.
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Also we're all basically, we all look like everybody.
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So you were right.
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What was that?
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What was that?
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Who, whose brain thinks the words those were?
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It was a crippling, like a troubling attempt at a point.
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It's just, just, that's outrageously.
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I don't understand what his goal, I want to know what the goal was.
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It's to make Rogan look worse.
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What is it?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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How?
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I'm not sure.
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Cause it seems like he's trying to make.
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Why would you do this set piece if you weren't trying to make Rogan look worse or make yourself
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look like more the victim?
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You said that about Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes.
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Come on.
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It wasn't a good, it wasn't that good.
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It was a bad remake.
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Oh yeah, that was terrible.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's what I was, all right.
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That was a pretty solid Tim Burton joke.
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I got my wires crossed.
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That was a pretty solid Tim Burton joke.
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Thank you.
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I got my wires crossed and I thought for some reason the newest one was the Burton one.
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Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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It's okay.
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That Tim Burton one was terrible.
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Yeah.
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Ape Lincoln.
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Did I ever tell you about, uh.
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Why would you do that other than to make yourself look worse?
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That came out back when I worked at that movie theater that I talk about all the time.
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Yeah.
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And we had to screen it cause that's how you, you know, on Thursday nights the projectionist
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will build the movie and then you have to screen it to make sure that you built it correctly.
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Right, right, right.
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Of course.
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And so when it was a movie that people wanted to see, it would turn into a party.
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And so all of us would get together at the theater.
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Our managers were over 21.
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We were under 21.
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Hell yeah.
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They would buy us booze.
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Everybody's cool.
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It's Missouri.
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It is fine.
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It was like seven to 10 of us just watching a movie the night before it comes out getting
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wasted and we went to see the Tim Burton remake of planet of the apes and through most of
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it we're drinking.
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We are having a real bad time because it's a bad movie.
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One of our managers, Rick, he wasn't the one who bought us booze just to let him off because
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I've named him.
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Uh, and he didn't, but uh, he was like the whole time at the end when they're like, when
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he's coming back to, uh, you know, it's the resolution of the movie.
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He's flying back into Washington.
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Rick is just sitting there with his arms crossed.
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He's like, ape Lincoln, ape Lincoln, ape Lincoln.
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They're going to do ape Lincoln, ape Lincoln, ape Lincoln.
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He just is like repeating it obsessively.
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And then it does like the end shot is ape Lincoln.
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He just, he just literally fell to his knees and screamed, damn you.
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Damn you Burton.
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Damn you to hell.
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I've been in full.
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You maniacs.
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I've been in full movie theaters that have celebrated like something happening in a movie
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and it hasn't been as cathartic as those like 10 people who were like, Rick, it was an explosion
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when it was mostly empty movie theater.
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My memory will live with me until the day I fucking die.
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Um, so yeah, I'm not sure what Alex is trying to do, quite frankly.
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I don't think that he's ventured too far into racist territory yet in condemning Joe's racism.
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Actually there are some problems.
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I think he's dancing around ideas that he wants to make about like, all of us look like
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apes and what have you, because they're mutual descendants.
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That's what he would probably prefer to say as opposed to being like, we're all in that
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family or whatever.
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He's both simultaneously trying to defend racism, excuse racism and condemn racism at
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the same time.
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Right?
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Somewhat.
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It gets worse.
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And that's why I'm saying that this isn't that bad yet, even though it is bad.
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I'm saying that conditionally because of where we're going to go is next clip.
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Alex talks about going to a party where people were in black, no, no, no, no.
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The way he presents this party, I don't think I don't like you saying people as a plural.
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Well, here's the thing.
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I don't think this party exists.
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This sounds like a lot of Alex's stories about going to places and right there were three
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globalists in the hot tub.
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Yeah, this is the way he's presenting this seems to be like he got invited to a legit
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blackface party and I don't know why he showed up for that.
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If that was the theme of the party, I don't know.
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So there's a lot of questions, but let's let him explain it and see if you buy his bullshit.
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I don't like the Governor Northam.
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He's just kill babies after they're born.
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That's why I hate him.
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But what do you think went on in the South 25, 27, 30 years ago with Democrats?
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Of course they dress up like that.
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That's all they do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I got invited to a party and I showed up like 10 years ago and it was all white people dressed
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up like black people.
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They said, oh, it's just fun.
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We're having fun.
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I said, I'm getting out of here, man, because I don't want to have some celebration thinking
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I'm better than somebody like I saw blacks making fun of white people.
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I see a bunch of damn racist.
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I'm sick of it.
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I believe in Martin Luther King.
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He was real.
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I believe in what people stand for, what they do is how they're judged.
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You're not a big fan of his son, though, not off what color they are and all this anti white
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racism crap.
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I stand against it.
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But let me tell you, if I said what Joe said.
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He was all for my platform before, now he's under the he's like, well, leave Alex alone.
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Hey, fine.
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Great, Joe.
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I'm just letting you know something.
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That I know you're not a racist and I know you do comedy because you think it's funny.
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Your interracial jokes, which are true, like the most interracial porn gets bought in the
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South and some of your older jokes about, oh, look at that, that white woman.
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Oh, that's funny stuff, man.
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I doesn't.
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And I agree.
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Comedy should be comedy.
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But the left wants to project racism on everything and you want to cuddle up to it.
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So feel what it's like, Joe.
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Yeah.
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That party didn't happen, by the way.
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Also he shows up for a Halloween party where all the white people are dressed up like black
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people and it's like, I'm out of here.
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Yeah, that doesn't sound right at all.
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I don't believe that for a second.
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I think I think he was saying they were dressed up like the wrong kind of black people, like
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they were dressed up like civil rights leaders.
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That's the only way.
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They're not even wearing blackface.
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They're just dressed like James.
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There's a name tag on that says Malcolm X.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Something like that.
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It was one of those things where you hold a card up over your head and you have to guess
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who you are.
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And he was like, ah, I don't like that, Jim Jackson, ah.
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So Alex has some problems with this clip of Rogan that has come out, sure, whatever.
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But I think in this next clip, he criticizes the wrong aspect about it, which is pretty
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much Alex's modus operandi.
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Well they're apes then.
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How can we breed with them, Joe?
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And are you saying your daughter is an ape?
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Hey, man, it's you up on your sanctimonious hours here, bro.
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Quite frankly, I am like an ape.
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I can pull somebody's head off.
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I've got ape-like strength.
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I beat some big old black guy's asses too, thought they could kick my ass.
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They found out who the real ape was.
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I'm King Kong, baby.
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I'm not ashamed of my simian nature, but you can't sit there and pull crap like that and
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say crap like that in a glass house.
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I can't imagine a worse 30 seconds of analysis.
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So his high road is being more racist.
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Yeah, like very.
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He's like, I'm going to take the high road on this one.
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I'm going to condemn your racism.
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I've beaten up black people and they found out who the real ape was.
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Hold on, Alex, your conception is like three stages deeper in racism.
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That's the most racist you can say.
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Yeah.
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And like, if they're apes, how can we breed with them?
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I don't understand, Alex, Alex, none of this is good.
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I really don't understand like, OK, this is this is me.
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I'm a very goal oriented person.
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Yeah.
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So when I have a goal, I try and achieve that goal.
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And when I'm trying to achieve that goal, I am also trying to not not achieve that goal.
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Yeah.
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You're about actionable steps towards whatever the desired outcome.
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Yeah.
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I get Alex's idea is that my goal is to make Joe look like a racist.
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I honestly, but at the same time, half of it.
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Right.
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And the other goal that he would be unwilling to admit is make Joe feel the pain that I
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feel.
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But because I think that would present weakness on some level of like, I don't think I don't
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think anyone knows how hurt I am.
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That sort of thing.
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And I thought he was my friend.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, that that sort of that sort of thing would be unmasculine.
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Oh, yeah.
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So he wouldn't he wouldn't allow him there.
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But I think that's part of his other goal.
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And at the same time, he's he's just like, I am trying to show that even though you have
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said some racist things in the past, I know you are not racist.
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Right.
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And you would not be pilloried the same way that I am for saying the racist things that
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I have said.
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See, you've said racist things.
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But at the same time, if your goal is to do that, your goal should also be not to be more
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of a racist than it can be conceived of by Joe Rogan.
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See, that's the problem is like when you take in terms of scale, the thing that Rogan said
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definitely racist.
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Yeah.
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The things Alex is saying in response to it imply a much heavier and insane amount of
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race and also so much of Alex's other things he's said in the past, as we've documented
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over and over and over again on this podcast, are way more racist than Joe making a joke
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that is absolutely racist about a black movie theater being Planet of the Apes.
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Right.
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Which is like Alex's career has so many highlights you could make.
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Oh, yeah.
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But but it is more funny that in the same conversation, Alex is being worse than what
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that clip was.
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Yeah, exactly.
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No, it's like, hey, you know what, Joe, you said that stuff and that's racist stuff.
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And if I had said that stuff, people would hate me.
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But at the same time, whenever I say the N word to N words and they're all N wording
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all the time and you're like, Alex, that's no.
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And also what makes it worse, too, is the part where he's saying like, I know that you're
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not racist.
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I know that you're joking, but I'm going to try and hurt you as if I believed you were
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racist.
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Yeah.
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I'd love to have whatever consequences there are of being racist, even though I know you're
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not.
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Oh, yeah.
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I know all this is bullshit.
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That's a really good point.
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I'm going to make a spectacle of it because I want to hurt you.
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That's a really good point.
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That's really what's underneath it, which is absolutely which would be pathetic.
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And I would love to have that as a tiny conversation, but because Alex spins into this like, look,
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I showed those black people who the real apes were like that sort of thing, like, what the
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fuck?
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What are you doing?
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I mean, it spins into like this, this crazy like if that was all I would be baffled.
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But then Alex takes another step and gets even more racist, like if you thought that
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was bad.
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I thought that was terrible.
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How can it get worse than that?
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Well, because he starts to bring pseudoscience into it.
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Oh, no.
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And I'm not some virtuous signaler here who's guilty to be white, white.
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Being a northern European, I am endowed.
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No.
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On average.
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Stop.
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With the highest IQ of any group of people.
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Stop right there.
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Put a period on that sentence now and just move on.
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Now, that doesn't mean on a curve, Dr. McCam's shot, please.
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You're still going.
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You know, on these bell curves they do.
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You got to stop.
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That doesn't mean that on average white people or Japanese are right up there.
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You got to stop.
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You got to stop.
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It doesn't mean there aren't black people that are up there, too.
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It means on average there are more Japanese and more whites that are on that curve.
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And people can say, well, or Russians or whoever you want to say, use it or say, well, that's
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the test.
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It doesn't matter.
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Where are people making spaceships and computers?
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I mean, I think it kind of matters what the test is and that stuff, because it's what
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you're measuring.
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Now, I want to say this really quick.
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This is far too complicated of a topic for us to cover in depth right now.
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But please, everyone out there listening, take my word on this.
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Everyone who's making an argument that there are differences in IQ that are attributable
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to race is doing so to support white supremacy.
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They aren't having a, quote, exchange of dangerous ideas or any bullshit like that.
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They're rehashing long discredited theories that exist solely to give white people an
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excuse to never have to confront the social, cultural and economic advantages they've enjoyed,
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which are built on the back of the social, cultural and economic disadvantages other
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populations have been subjected to.
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The primary function of thinking along these lines and these narratives that are perpetuated
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is to create the appearance of a scientific sounding way to blame marginalized communities
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for their own marginalization, pure and simple.
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Many of these ideas and their proponents are inspired by Charles Murray's 1994 book, The
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Bell Curve, which Alex even referenced by talking about the bell curves.
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Which everyone should find.
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There's one book that everybody should light on fire and it's that one.
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In that book, Murray completely misuses data to arrive at the, quote, near inescapable
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conclusion, the differences seen between white and black IQ scores is the result of genetics.
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That book has been championed by the likes of Sam Harris and his ilk and the unfounded
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notion of racially causative differences in IQ has taken on a new life these days when
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there is no basis in science around that at all.
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There are racial differences and ethnic differences in IQ scores but the idea of a causative property
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between them is a leap that is way too far to make.
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It's deeply fucked up and it's one of the weird things that you see it in all sorts
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of these intellectual dark web worlds.
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You see it with Sam Harris and his acolytes.
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These people like Dave Rubin have thrown these ideas around.
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Estefan Malinou makes a lot of mileage out of it but it's not something that I've really
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heard Alex talk much about and that is interesting to me and it's coming in the middle of a discussion
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of Rogan being a racist.
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And in the same way that the last time he went and sort of loaded off on Rogan, he
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did that Project Camelot impression where he started doing like, I want to talk to you
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about how crazy things are.
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Isn't it trippy?
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Because he's trying to appeal to Rogan's audience, I think this is another attempt.
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This reference to the bell curve and race realism and this nonsense, I think it's an
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appeal to the listeners of Rogan's show that are the Sam Harris acolytes, the people who
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are into this idea of like scientific racism as opposed to emotional racism.
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And that to me is like, wow, it's again, he's telling on himself because he doesn't know
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this stuff.
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He doesn't know shit about this.
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He's presenting it to try and reel in the Roganites.
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That's fucking, don't bring science into this.
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Just be a racist.
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I would much rather you be intellectually honest with yourself and just say, I don't
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like people who don't look like me, than try and pretend that there are genetic reasons
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that it's, fuck off.
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Fuck you.
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Especially for somebody who constantly says, oh, we all bleed the same blood.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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It's a coward.
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How fucking dare you.
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It's a cowardly way to couch whatever point you want to make.
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And I do agree with you to some extent, although I don't think it would be any better.
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But yeah, if you were just like, I am uncomfortable with people who look different.
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The only reason that that's better is that then you could deal with the actual issue.
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Exactly.
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So when you hide behind these sorts of over-intellectualized and pseudo-scientific ideas, you end up having
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to have conversations that are pedantic and mean nothing.
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And they rely on misusing studies over years and stuff like that.
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You get caught down in the weeds so much that you'll never end up getting to the point where
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you can make progress towards what is underlying it for a person.
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Right.
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No, it's the new way of using the Bible to justify slavery.
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Like, God said that slaves should be slaves.
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Science says that black people are dumber than white people.
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So everything is fine.
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Everything is fine.
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Don't even think about it.
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Don't question it.
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God said it.
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Everything's fine.
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What you just touched on is even the bigger issue is that like a lot of these people in
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these, these, these sort of race IQ science communities, they use these ideas in order
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to say like public policy doesn't really matter.
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Exactly.
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Who gives a shit?
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Because these communities and these populations are just intrinsically dumber.
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It doesn't matter if you give resources towards those communities for school and afterschool
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programs and stuff like that.
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Right.
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It doesn't matter.
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You're not going to make a blip in the radar cause they are intrinsically worse, which
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is a function of white supremacy.
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The whole point, the whole point, you fucking nailed it, is to say, let's not worry about
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putting resources into Inglewood.
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Right.
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Black people are too dumb to even use those resources.
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It's just, it's frills on a swine or whatever.
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It's not me saying that.
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It's not me being racist.
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It's science saying that Inglewood doesn't deserve resources.
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And so let's all just go away.
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No, no, no, no.
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We're great people.
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They deserve the resources.
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Exactly.
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No, no.
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We want them to have them, but we don't want to lose them.
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Cause that takes, that takes away from those super high IQ white kids who really could
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use those.
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Right.
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Fuck you.
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Go fuck yourself.
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This is a very, very complicated issue in terms of the reality of it, but I think the
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things that we've expressed have been the, the, the important points for a podcast like
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this.
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Yeah.
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You want to get more into it.
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Go ahead and dive into some of the research.
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This is why I'm not invited to any, uh, public policy on, uh, school debates.
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Nobody's nobody's asking me like, Hey, uh, Jordan, how about you go participate in this
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debate about, uh, school and charter schools and all that shit.
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And I just be like, ah, go fuck yourself.
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So in that last clip though, Alex is saying that white Europeans, uh, have higher IQ.
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He's gifted because of being a European with a higher IQ.
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But then he makes the caveat of like a Japanese people.
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That's white.
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People's favorite thing to do is be like, see, they're yellow.
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That's different.
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Fuck you.
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But you're being even more racist.
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None of that really even matches up with IQ scores.
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It's like Ashkenazi Jews are, are much higher in terms of like populations.
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Great.
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It's not meaningful.
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It doesn't mean anything.
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It means they scored higher on the test, but be that as it may, like the issue is that
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Alex is bringing up these, like this idea that because he is a white European, he is
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gifted with this higher intelligence and Japanese people are also in the mix up there.
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But then Alex starts talking, well, they make our phones, Alex starts talking in this next
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clip about why from way from way back, from way back, really bad idea.
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Why the people in his, uh, sort of ethnic milieu have a higher IQs and it's a problem.
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It's a problem because what he describes as the reason these Europeans have higher IQs
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from a evolutionary perspective, try and apply that to the Japanese people.
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He also thinks have I IQs and it falls apart.
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It falls apart completely.
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But listen to the clip before you respond, please.
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I'm know you're chomping at the bit.
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I'm sorry, but please, but that isn't meaning then we hate black people because there are
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black people.
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Statistically, they're as smart as anybody on the planet.
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It means on average, whites have the highest IQ on average.
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Well, you better have an IQ if you were spending hundreds of thousands of years in frozen wasteland
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at the top of the planet, because if you went to bed, if you got back in your cave, 10 minutes
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too late, you were dead in the doornail in Africa and other areas in the equatorial regions,
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it was about how strong you were, how fast you were, how cunning you were, not about
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long term strategic thinking.
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So when I sit here and I criticize Joe for calling black people, apes, dude, we are apes.
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And I know you know that it doesn't mean we're not divine and God made us an image.
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There's other things.
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The point is, is that you get away with that when it's not even accurate and people don't
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call you on that.
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But at the same time, then let's not hate white people.
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Let's thank white people for electricity and airplanes and medicine.
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Wipe out.
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Isn't it funny that they, that's a troll at the board.
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White people are smarter because it was cold, Dan.
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Which fails to-
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That's it!
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Which fails to take into account the Japanese at all.
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And also that's a really terrible anthropological racist argument.
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I don't fully understand exactly what that's trying to put forth.
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So the idea of you have to get home at a certain time while you're free freeze to death, therefore
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intelligence evolves.
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But he also is saying that in Africa and around the equator, you had to have cunning, which
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is to me a form of intelligence.
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Well I think this is-
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And I also think that strategically in order to deal with any element, like just because
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you're like, oh, the cold will kill you, hot will kill you, or the animals that are there
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will kill you.
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Ah, but there are a lot more cold deaths than there are hot deaths, Dan.
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We learned that.
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We learned that, yes.
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I mean, that's just patently, I mean, that's a bad argument.
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It's what they- And it's deeply, deeply anthropologically
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racist.
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Cunning, cunning is the very racist way that people-
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It's dismissive.
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It's, well, and it's not just that, but it's the way that they describe a, you know, like
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oh, oh, LeBron James isn't very smart, but he's really good at basketball because he's
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cunning.
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It's not that he has a fucking photogenic memory and can recall individual possessions
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like a goddamn fucking savant.
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It's the code word.
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No, it's he's cunning.
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He's very articulate, Dan.
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It's not that he's smart.
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It's that he knows how to talk like us, like go fucking fuck yourself.
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It's the code word to describe intelligence in people that you don't want to ascribe intelligence.
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These sorts of arguments have always been used that way.
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They always have been, and today they are being used the same way.
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They're recycled, and it's gross.
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It's incredibly gross.
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Now at the end of that clip, Alex says that we should thank white people.
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Yeah, I'm not on board with that.
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He says three specific examples, and it's hilarious that he's saying this over Wipeout.
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Because none of them are attributable to white people.
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He's going to break, and it's awesome.
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It's so awesome because that would be terrible in the middle of the show.
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I think about this a lot.
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The way he goes out to break is always so triumphant, but whatever he's saying, if it
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was in the middle, like he had to do five more minutes, it would be like, I have nowhere
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to go.
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He's so famous for his screaming of stuff, but really if you listen to his show on a
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regular basis, most of the time he yells things is when he knows there's a hard break.
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So he does that performatively in order to rile people up and do all that shit when he
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knows like, I can take a breather, have a shot of whiskey or whatever.
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It's like Howard Dean at the end of a sentence.
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So the three things he chooses to talk about that white people need to be thanked for are
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electricity, airplanes, and medicine.
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Now let's look at those things one by one and see what the real history behind them
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is.
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I was about to start talking shit too.
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Electricity may have been developed and harnessed by largely European scientists, but there
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also is a theory out there that between the times of 650 to 150 BCE, the people living
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in what's now Iraq had knowledge of electroplating as evidenced by the archeological find called
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the Baghdad battery.
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People are kind of split on the hypothesis-
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I'm just gonna talk about the battery because it's so fucking cool.
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But there's a lot of controversy about this and people who have opinions on it are very
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split about the hypothesis of what that artifact was actually used for and whether or not it
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was actually even a battery.
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So honestly, Europeans may be able to take credit for most of the electricity science,
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but that may be true.
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Although there are also cultures who the word for lightning is exactly the same thing as
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the word for electric eel, so there was kind of an understanding of the nature of electricity
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to some extent, but that doesn't mean that there were steps made to-
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Sure.
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Harness it.
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Yeah.
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Also, spoiler alert, in 2003 when the invasion of Iraq happened, the Baghdad battery was
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stolen from the National Museum and hasn't been found since.
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And because of the 16 years of pretty much consistent war that's been going on there,
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there's a really decent chance that whatever progress could be made towards finding other
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evidence to reinforce that theory or anything like that is probably impossible.
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I don't understand.
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So we'll never actually know.
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You're saying that white people came into a place and took all of their-
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We'll never actually know.
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That's crazy.
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The reality of that.
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Colonialism ended.
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And I will say that from looking into it, I think it's very interesting the possibility
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that that was a battery, but it's also possible that that hypothesis is entirely wrong and
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it's just the circumstance of finding various pieces next to each other.
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It's entirely possible.
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Entirely possible.
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Entirely possible.
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The accepted version of the reality that Alex is operating under for aviation is that one
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day the Wright brothers got a crazy idea that we should fly and then created the technology
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out of whole cloth.
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Unfortunately, that is not accurate at all.
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What?
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Legends of people flying go way back, but probably don't depict reality.
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For instance, Icarus probably didn't actually have wax wings or anything like that and Di
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Dallas didn't do all the shit he did.
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However, the concepts involved in the development of aviation go back a long way and their roots
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are not in the West.
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In China in the 5th century BCE, Luban and Modi invented the kite and immediately after
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that development began finding interesting applications for the new technology.
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Their contemporary reports that some kites were able to lift men into the air, but the
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first manned flight ever occurred in China in 559 AD using kite technology.
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The idea for many of the elements that would allow the creation of the helicopter were
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directly taken from a bamboo rotor device that was invented in China in 400 BCE.
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The underlying technology for hot air balloons is similarly understood by the Chinese dating
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back to as far back as the 3rd century BCE.
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Much of the advances made later in terms of aviation were built on the things that the
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Chinese had invented in the long distant past, but never took the logical destructive end
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point that these technologies could have, which I don't know if they could have developed
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a way to make planes.
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Maybe they could have.
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Also possibly maybe they weren't interested.
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Maybe not.
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They developed all of the underlying technology thousands years back.
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That one isn't great.
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It's basically just these people who were the grandfathers of aviation using long discovered
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techniques and principles that were invented by the Chinese thousands and thousands of
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years ago.
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Medicine is the worst thing for Alex to give Europeans credit for inventing.
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I'm guessing he's just talking about deciding that Hippocrates was white and then assuming
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that it goes back to him.
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That's what I'm guessing.
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Oh really?
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I'm guessing that's what it was.
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I mean, he was talking about vaccinations and...
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He hates vaccinations.
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No, I mean, shit, now I can't find...
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Penicillin.
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I assumed he was talking about penicillin when in reality that was...
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Jonas Salk?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In reality, that was him looking at so many Middle Eastern people, Muslims, fucking doing
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it right.
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That's what we're about to get to.
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Okay.
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I was wondering.
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Not necessarily in terms of Salk, but I think that Alex just knows about the Hippocratic
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oath and is like, hey, this guy is in Greece, he came up with the oath, it's gotta be where
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it started.
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Yeah, sure.
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Sure.
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The idea of herbal medicine dates back to well into the 2000s BCE when Egyptians clearly
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had physicians working in the palaces.
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Hammurabi's code, which dates back to 1800 BCE, discusses prices surgeons can charge
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and even explicitly discusses the idea of malpractice.
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As he put it though, surgeons can charge an eye for an eye.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Many, many papyri from Egypt from 3,000 years ago discussed the practice of medicine.
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In the 800s AD, Persian scientist Ali ibn Shah al-Rabban al-Tabari wrote the world's
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first...
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Great names back then.
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The world's first encyclopedia of medicine.
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In 1020, Ammar ibn Ali al-Maswali performed the world's first successful eye surgery.
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We could go on and on listing the non-white, non-Western influences in the development
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of medicine and medical practice, but it would take all day.
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The way we've arrived here where we are today in terms of medicine is a process and the
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entire world has been a part of it.
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And to selectively erase non-white elements of that history is by definition a product
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of white supremacist thinking.
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So the larger point here is that white people or the West has been responsible for a ton
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of great innovations and inventions over the span of our history.
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But in no way do non-white and non-Western people need to thank them for it.
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This is a profoundly fucked up way to look at the world as if Alex somehow deserves credit
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for someone who shares his skin pigment doing something a thousand years of the past.
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I'd like to propose a healthier way to look at things and that is to honor and celebrate
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the people from all cultures across the world who have helped lead us to where we are today
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in terms of our understanding of the world and our mastery over flight and the elements.
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Because I think that's a better way to look at things.
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We've all shared in this history some of the things that the Islamic world did have helped
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create stones upon which the Western world could use as staircases up.
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And as we all know, if it weren't for Aang, we wouldn't have control over the elements.
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I'm guessing that's Dragon Ball Z references.
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No, god damn it.
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Airbender?
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Airbender.
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Okay.
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Got it on my second shot.
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So but like there is a collaborative effort.
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Aang and Katara, of course.
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There's a collaborative effort that goes on and the idea of ascribing any history of like
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these fucking browns should thank all of us white people for planes and medicine.
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It's disrespectful to the people who are instrumental in creating the reality that we have now.
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Like if you just want to pretend that the people who created the jet engine did it out
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of nowhere, then what you're doing is erasing everything that came before it.
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And in doing that, you're erasing the contributions of largely non-white people.
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And that is white supremacy.
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That is plain and simple.
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There's no way around that.
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And that is what Alex expresses as his vision of history.
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Well, the idea of invention is so infuriatingly associated with like a person.
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It's oversimplified.
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It's never just like it took thousands of years and thousands of people working on it
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and people finding some random thing in some like when the library of Alexandria went down,
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it's like, oh,
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Library of Alexandria, Kintiel-Cortez.
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Yeah, nice, nice.
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Like the collected knowledge of the world just destroyed itself.
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Like we have no idea how much was invented prior to so many, let's call them destructive
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acts by white people.
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You know, like how many times can you think of something where it's like, oh, a bunch
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of white people came and destroyed the history of the world.
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And then they were like, yeah, but we invented that.
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Like fuck you.
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And even understanding that, that isn't to say that white people are intrinsically bad.
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It's to say that these things, these impulses in any people is bad in the same way that
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like it wasn't white people who looted these museums in Iraq when, you know, the Baghdad
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batteries now lost.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It is a looting impulse.
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Now, granted, they were doing that in response to an invasion.
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Like we gave them, we gave them the opportunity.
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Other cultures have, like other non-white cultures have also done that to other cultures.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The history of like warring states and stuff like that.
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Human history is garbage acts by men.
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That's what it really is.
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Well, because men are the only ones who are able to protect.
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They're the ones who protect the species.
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Culture in that species.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They're not the ones who fucking destroy it every chance they fucking get.
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It's profoundly reductive to look at the world in such a way as to say like this person invented
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this.
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Because there are so few inventions in the world or even breakthroughs or innovations
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that are really attributable to a single person.
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To a guy.
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Yeah.
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It's always someone standing on the shoulders of not giants but others.
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Yeah.
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And even like when you talk about like the Library of Alexandria and what we could have
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lost there and stuff like that, that's like a, you know, that puts your mind into a place
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of like what successes did we lose?
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And what I'm more interested in on some level is the erasure of failures because a lot of
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the things that have contributed to like our ability to fly, our ability to have a coherent
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medical system, even electricity, is people doing failed experiments that led people away
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from the failed thought.
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To not do that shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Or whatever.
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And that too is an important part of the process of getting us where we are.
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Absolutely.
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Because those people are fucking forgotten, even to most of legitimate history.
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Right, right, right.
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Which is also sad.
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And the failures of people who are remembered are often forgotten.
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Like when you talk about Magellan and that kind of shit, like he had pictures of people
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that he thought were in Africa who didn't have heads but instead had faces on their
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fucking torsos.
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Yeah.
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And they had legs for hands.
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Like this dude was fucking full of shit.
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Right.
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You know?
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And all the fanciful ideas that he had that weren't reality and that colored his picture
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of the real world.
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All I'm getting at is I hear stuff like that and it really bums me out.
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It really bums me out because in the same way, like I'm interested in this because it's
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also completely unintentional, but just the way the episode is being bookended is these
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like at the beginning of the episode, he's erasing the history of female politicians
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in the Arab and Islamic world.
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And that's offensive and disgusting because it's presenting a worldview where Muslims
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are all savages and they hate women and would never vote for them and that sort of thing.
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And that's disgraceful and completely Islamophobic and counterproductive towards all of us working
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for them.
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Right.
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And then we come to the end of the episode and he's saying that white people need to
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be thanked for these things that they've brought the world.
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And you look at the actual history of all this and when you deal with it on a more realistic
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basis, he's doing the exact same thing.
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He's erasing all contributions of these other cultures that he doesn't deem worthy.
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And what are you going to say back to him like, oh, well then you should thank the Muslim
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world for inventing the concept of zero.
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Like fuck you.
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Right.
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There's no, if you're going to pretend to thank white people for shit, then you have
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to thank everybody for shit.
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It's a zigzag that's never going to end.
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You're always just going to go back to like, well, who came up with...
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And then when you do that, if you do that, all you got to do is thank the Chinese then.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And Indians.
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Well, as a person of Irish descent, the Chinese invented whiskey.
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So there you go.
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Well, if you go back, just in terms of like cultures that are still around that like innovated
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so many of the really basic things, you come down to like India and China being so pivotal.
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There are so many, there are other cultures, absolutely.
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Especially like Mesoamerica, like the Inca and Aztecs and stuff like that.
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They came up with a whole lot of other stuff too.
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They had plumbing, man.
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Yeah, it's insane.
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But like...
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There are places in 300 BC in Central America that I would rather live in than 1500 AD in
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Europe.
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Or my apartment in 2019.
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But like, yeah, if you play that game, what you're going to end up with is something that
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Alex doesn't want to wrestle with, which is that it isn't Western white cultures that
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created the building blocks that led to the innovations that the Western countries did.
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And I only think that understanding that can help us all understand the world better.
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It doesn't demonize white people.
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It doesn't take anything away from the innovations that white Western cultures did.
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It only builds a more robust understanding of how we're all in this together.
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And your idea informs this person's idea and their innovation on your idea helps you come
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up with a better idea later.
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It's a collaborative effort.
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All of us...
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Then go back to the IQ test.
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Like your IQ test wouldn't even fucking exist if all of this other shit hadn't happened
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that were breakthroughs made by non-white cultures.
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Fuck you!
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You're probably right on that.
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The idea of mathematics wasn't created by white cultures and it's a part of IQ tests.
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Ergo!
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Like, fuck you!
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What are you talking about?
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So I got one more clip.
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And what it is is like Alex talks to Leo Zagami for a bunch.
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I'm not interested in listening to that.
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Hey, hey, come on.
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Alex cannot see through a fucking liar with an accent.
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And it's just nuts.
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In any of us, though.
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Yeah, I can.
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Ah.
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I'll listen to words.
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Ah.
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Tré mal.
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Oh, c'est bien.
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I translated that for you.
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I think I can.
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I've met some real shitheads with accents and I've been like, I'm going to stay away
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from this person.
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Uh-huh.
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I have.
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In my time doing stand-up and stuff like that.
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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I don't need to defend myself.
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I met a guy who was Australian.
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Fuck that guy.
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Yeah!
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That was it.
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That was it.
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Full stop.
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Well done.
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End of the story.
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All right.
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No need for more.
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So he talks to Leo Zagami about the shit that's going on in the Vatican and what have you.
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And I don't really give a shit.
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I honestly turned it off.
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And the pope is killing everybody.
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I turned it off like five minutes into the interview because it's like, I hate, I hate
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this.
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Yeah.
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And I don't care.
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Whatever they're going to come up with, like whatever lie, like let's imagine the most
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sensational lie Alex can come up with about the pope and the Vatican with Leo Zagami.
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It's probably not as bad as what the pope and the Vatican have actually done.
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Maybe.
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And also I don't give a shit.
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You know, like I don't, I'm not going to, we're already almost three hours into this
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episode.
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I was like, I don't, I don't care.
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I don't care.
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It can only be a rehashing of the things that the two of them have already said on the show.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Whatever.
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Good point.
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Good point.
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Good point.
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But Alex does talk in this next clip, which is the last clip, about how there are, I believe
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he says that four out of five Catholic priests are gay.
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Now pay attention to that.
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Is that, was that from the latest Rasmussen poll?
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Pay attention to that.
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Because that's 15% more democratic than...
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Pay attention to that because at the end of the clip, he cites a source and it might say
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something different.
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You don't, you, anytime he cites a source, you get, you get a very, very intense look
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on your face.
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But I didn't look into this because it's self contradictory.
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But also along the way, pay close attention to his language because this is, what is it?
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It is 45 seconds long.
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And Alex, I hate that I keep using this expression.
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He tells on himself so hard.
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He just points the finger at himself in a way that he thinks he's being magnanimous
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and super accepting of everybody.
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And it's so fucked up.
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Four out of five Catholic priests are gay.
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Also they use same toothpaste.
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So homosexuals make up 3% of the population and I don't hate anybody.
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I don't judge anybody.
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Okay.
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I've been on the earth 45 years.
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I've seen some things.
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I've done some things.
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I'm not judged.
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Anybody.
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Yes, you are.
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I mean, I've, I've paid for abortions back when I was a teenager and I repented to God
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for it.
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Been fighting ever since.
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I've, I've killed my children.
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I think on a scale of one to 10, that's like a seven, you know, two dudes together is like
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a three.
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I'm not judging anybody, but I'm telling you the realization of what's right and what's
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wrong is important.
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He literally put a numbered scale on the thing he says he's not judging people for.
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You can't have a scale without also having a judgment.
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That's literally the definition of the word.
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He's literally saying that two dudes together is a three on the immoral scale between one
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and 10, which is incredibly fucked up.
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I'm not judging anybody.
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I'm cool.
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I'm super hip.
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I've aborted my children when I was a teenager, I paid for abortions.
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That's a seven on the scale, which in his definition is like legit, straight up murder.
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Right?
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Like the way that he, the way he demonizes women who make that choice, then he's at 10
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by the way, which subjects him to all of the punishments that he subjects others that he
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believes others should be subjected to.
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It's a seven.
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So he should be fucked.
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So if he wants to pull that shit, then fine.
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It's a seven.
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Cause he's a man.
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Then let's do it.
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Let's do it all across the board.
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Alex, you are doing 20 years hard time now.
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That's the rule.
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If you're going to pull your bullshit, then fine.
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Subject yourself to the same judgment that you think those people should be subjected
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to.
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God forgave him.
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It's all good.
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You admitted it.
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It's all good.
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God forgave him.
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You pleaded guilty to the crime that you are saying other people should be killed for.
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It was back when he was a teen.
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The statute of limitations.
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Fine.
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There's no, what?
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I don't know.
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For murder?
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It's not, but look dude, that's so crazy to me because it's like this, like it's a seven.
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That's seven.
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Yeah.
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Which to me it seems low for his conception of what abortion should be.
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He screams about it all the fucking time.
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It seems like it should be at least a nine.
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Like maybe 10 would be, it's gotta be something to do with the devil, but he thinks the devil's
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involved in abortion too.
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So it's, it's so gray.
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That is a 10 if aborting your children, which he thinks is murder, is a seven.
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What the fuck is a 10?
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But then to say that three is two dudes together, which by the way is also like, he's not even
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considering lesbians or anything like that because it's all just about like how disgusted
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he is about the idea of men on men.
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Yeah, I know.
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Like what's your scale there?
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So I also want to apologize.
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I caught that clip a little bit too early.
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Immediately after this, Alex starts reading a London Times article and the article's headline
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says one in four Catholic priests is gay or one in five.
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And so it's the exact inverse.
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So he inversed it to four and five.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And he reads the headline and then never acknowledges that he said the exact opposite in the triumphant
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swelling music intro to this thing.
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Now he talks to the Ozagami, it's a bunch of bullshit.
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So we've come to the end of this episode and I don't know, I find this hard to do, but
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I also think it's necessary.
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I'm in this real in-between place with Alex Jones in the present because in terms of like,
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I think he probably should be thrown off the air, which is the exact opposite position
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I expressed in the first episode of this podcast.
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I'm there because I do think that what we saw on the 11th, on Monday's episode that
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we covered, he's perpetuating a language and a worldview that is tacitly giving permission
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to his audience to choose your spots, which is kill people when you think the time is
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right.
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You'll know it when you see it.
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That sort of thing.
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That sort of lackadaisical, eh, like the Supreme Court porn definition.
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I know it when I see it.
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I know it when I see it.
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That sort of thing.
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That's not okay when people are asking, when is it the time to kill?
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It's also not okay if you're the Supreme Court.
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No.
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But it's worse when the question from a caller is, when is it time to kill?
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The question from a caller who has a military background, who is expressing the idea that
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he is in other people's houses, who clearly is unstable, who is looking for any and every
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excuse to do what he wants to do.
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He's calling and asking, daddy, give me the high sign.
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Exactly.
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Give me the sign and let's go.
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I just want a green light.
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Just give me a green light.
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Just one green light.
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And if you're a responsible human and someone asks you that, even if you're Alex Jones,
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the response to that has to be not, you'll know it when you see it.
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It has to be something prohibitive.
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It has to be something like, don't shoot till you see the whites in your eyes.
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And I'm saying that is the single response, but it would at least harken back to some
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sort of weird Revolutionary War mythology.
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You could joke it off as being like, oh, hey, see, it's a reference to then.
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And hang up on them and move on.
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Yeah.
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And the point is like, oh, they'll, it's because they're so close to you that you can't help
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but do it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so I hate this and I honestly think that there's no reason this is allowed to keep
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going.
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Like I don't, I do think that we're at a point where we're past the point where this, like,
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I don't, I don't know the laws in terms of like exactly where free speech is protected.
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Like I really don't, but I feel spiritually we're past it.
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And it's very difficult for me to keep listening to it past this point because there's this
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trivial nonsense like, oh, he's reporting on this Soros article that's really just him
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reading a Sputnik article or something like that.
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When the day before that he's doing shit like that, I don't know what to do with this.
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Beyond that, it's very difficult for me because like we have this now Trump is going to declare
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the state of emergency and that's going to create a new whirlwind of bullshit and what
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have you.
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But at the same time in the Sandy Hook lawsuit that Alex is in, it just came out that the
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judge has decided that Alex will have to be deposed for a five hour session with the lawyers.
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And that's going to be a complete disaster for him.
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So I honestly think that like in ways that he has not been subjected to in the past when
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he's defamed people like Hamdi Ulukaya or James Oliphantus, he is cruising for a bruising.
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Like he's on a path towards this could actually hurt him.
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So there's some part of me that thinks we have a responsibility to now cover this as
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it happens because there is a decent chance a massive downward spiral is happening real
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soon.
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And I feel that pressure.
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It sucks because also at the same time, absent that pressure, I think he's behaving in a
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way that the show shouldn't exist.
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Yeah.
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That's I think the question is not that everybody doesn't agree with you.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I mean, everybody agrees broadly, probably that Alex's show as it is now should not exist.
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The problem with taking it to a court system is you don't know how the court is going to
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rule.
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So it makes more sense to not rule on this and then have the threat of a court action
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be available to you than have a court rule on this against you.
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Because if the court listened to if the Supreme Court listens to this whole thing and says,
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actually, this is protected speech, then we don't know where the line be.
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We don't know where the line stops.
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But I'm also because I'm because it seems like this world.
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No, that's but that's that's kind of what I'm saying is like, I would rather live in
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a world where a broad spectrum of people agree that this is bad and we don't take it to the
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courts and we kind of handle this ourselves.
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Yeah.
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Whereas I don't want to live in a world where a broad spectrum of people agree that this
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is bad.
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We take it to the courts.
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They say that this is fine.
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And then we're in uncharted territory as to what isn't fine.
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Or the flip side of that, you take it to the courts and then a precedent that could become
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encroaching.
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Exactly.
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Is set.
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Like, you know, other people's like ambiguous speech becomes suspect.
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Right.
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Just because Alex is like legitimately telling people the time's coming.
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You'll know when you see.
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Right.
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That's right.
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As important as the First Amendment.
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I'd rather err on the side of allowing Alex to say things like this and us talk about
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it.
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Right.
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And everyone understand the danger of it, then legislate.
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This is this should not happen.
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Exactly.
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It's it's a strange place wherein it's important to have the concept of free speech be enshrined
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while at the same time have the ambiguity of what it is enshrined as a fundamental concept
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of it.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Anyway, this has been our show.
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This has been our show.
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I don't know.
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I don't know how to sum any of this up other than this show sucks.
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This dude's racist.
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Yeah.
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He's very, very.
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And it's so fun when you see not fun, but when you see like racism masqueraded as like
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anti-racism.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's real fun.
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Oh, you're bad at this.
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The veneer is so thin.
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Yeah.
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Especially with this rogue and shit.
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It's like anyone else could make this argument quite well.
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You can't.
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Nope.
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You decided to.
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Yep.
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Bad move.
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Uh huh.
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So we'll be back on Monday, probably with another modern day episode, because I am super
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interested in finding out what happens with this.
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We'll see how it goes.
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But we will see.
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But until then, we have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Indeed, we do.
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Do we have a Twitter page?
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We do.
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It's knowledge underscore fight.
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Oh, did we think the hysteria 51 guys?
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We did not.
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And it's failing on our part.
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Yeah.
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Thank you very much to the hysteria 51 podcast who had us on.
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Brent and Joe.
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Absolutely fun.
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John.
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Yeah.
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John and Joe.
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Fantastic.
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We had a great time.
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It was a fun time over there.
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We appreciate people.
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Joe, I did another podcast that's going to be coming out soon.
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I can't remember the name of that.
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You did it without me?
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Yeah.
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But it was a very nice time.
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I appreciate it.
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Well, scheduling is so fucking hard.
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You're in higher demand.
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I get it.
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That's not the case.
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Oh, I'm just a comedian.
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I would say that about 15 minutes of the interview was talking about how great you are.
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So wait till that comes out and then you can eat crow, you son of a bitch.
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But we would do any podcast or any interview that isn't a like a crypto Nazi podcast or
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anything like that.
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We try not to do that.
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Any invitation if you guys want us to come on your show.
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Scheduling both of us together is difficult, but not impossible.
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Tough, but not impossible.
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We can do it if you'd like us to come have a little conversation.
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We are more than willing and we appreciate everyone who has asked.
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If you want to have a conversation though, the best place to have a conversation with
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both us and our fans is at our Facebook group.
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Yeah, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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Fun times over there.
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You can find us on iTunes.
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You can find us on Libsign.
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You can go to Overcast, which is my new-
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I know.
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I know.
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That's just our hosting.
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I know.
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But yeah.
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But it is there.
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Anyways, I'm trying to plug Overcast because I'm sick of Apple owning everything.
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So yeah, go find us on Overcast.
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There are so many aggregators that we're on that we just don't even know about.
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Absolutely.
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No one has asked and I haven't known.
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Yep.
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Okay, so as we go through this, I would say that-
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Who are a cast of characters today?
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It's mostly just been Alex being a racist.
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I would say that representative-
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The fucking-
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Omar.
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The guy who's a former Air Force air agent.
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Ilhan Omar hasn't killed anybody.
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She has not killed anybody and is a fucking great person.
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No.
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And has stood up to someone who is responsible for tons of murders.
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Millions of murders.
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And is structurally responsible for a lot of fucking bullshit.
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But she hasn't killed anybody.
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But one guy who has-
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Who?
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Technically?
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Probably?
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Is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first name caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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And I may have the most perfect friend.
