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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan?
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Mmm.
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Dan?
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Yeah.
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What was the last Assassin's Creed game you played?
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I think it was that one with the boats.
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Pirates.
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The pirate one?
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That's a great one.
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I had that one and the one with American History on the Wii U, when I had the Wii U.
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That's the only- I only play Nintendo systems, so my-
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You loved Assassin's Creed 3, right?
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I did.
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Yeah.
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I got a lot of shit for that.
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A lot of people were really against me.
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I remember my friend Kevin Brody, comedian Kevin Brody, in particular took me very harshly to task for liking that one.
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Because apparently the story in that one is looked at by cool kids as being the worst in the series, or something.
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But I thought it was great, I loved homesteading, I liked going around and killing animals, making my house.
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Right, right, right.
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I loved that.
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That's what everybody hated about that.
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Right.
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Is there was so much of that, like, really, I'm actually going to roleplay as a hunter.
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Yeah, that's right.
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For a long time.
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Loved it.
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I'm telling you, I saw-
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I'm out of the mainstream.
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I saw in the group somebody posting about Odyssey, and I just finished it.
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Yeah, I hear it's great.
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And it's fucking great.
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Yeah, I mean, I love that style of game.
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I could do with less murder in it, perhaps.
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But I like that style of game a lot, and I wish that I had a system, or I wish I wasn't so dedicated to Nintendo.
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But I am, and I'm never going to get away from that.
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It's what's going to be.
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But also, in the group, it was pointed out that we keep saying we drink novelty beverages and never point out what they are.
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So today we are drinking Mountain Dew Kickstart Blueberry Pomegranate.
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Yeah!
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It's best that you don't know that, but now you do.
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Anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
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And that is the fun.
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Indeed.
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So Jordan, today we're in the past.
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Oh, that's right.
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We're in March 2009.
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March 31st and 30th.
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Alright.
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That's not how most people would say that.
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No.
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30th and 31st.
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Most people would remember that there are 31 days in March, and I had a hard time when you said it.
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I don't remember any of that.
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I know that rhyme that people use to have the days in months.
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I've never been able to remember that.
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I think the one is the knuckles, right?
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Maybe.
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That one where it's like January, February.
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Don't even.
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Look, I know February's got 28 most of the time.
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October has 31.
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I know that because of Halloween.
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December's got 31.
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I know that because of New Year's.
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I thought it was because of Christmas.
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Nope.
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Then it would be 25 days.
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That is not correct.
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The rest?
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Crap shoot.
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Could be anything.
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My birthday's in April.
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I have no idea how many days are in April.
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I know August has 31 because of that fucking guy.
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Augustus.
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He had to have 31.
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Is that right?
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No, I don't think so.
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Okay.
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I was willing to believe you.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, March does have 31, and we're going over the 30th and 31st today.
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But before we get to that, I'd like to take a little time to say thank you to some people who probably know how many days there are in a month.
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Because they're real cool.
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That's a great transition right there.
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Thanks.
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Some new donors.
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People who have joined up with the show would like to say thank you.
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First of all, Chris.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Chris.
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Thank you very much, Chris.
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Also, I'd like to say thank you to Joe.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Joe.
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Thank you very much, Joe.
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Also, Matthew.
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Thank you.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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You know what?
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Some days we get soda spiders and anime waifus, and some days we get Chris, Joe, and Matthew.
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And we still appreciate it all the same.
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We didn't even have a last initial on that.
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Everybody today is Cher, essentially.
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One name only.
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Yeah, sure.
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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who came in, donated on a little
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bit of an elevated level.
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We appreciate it oh so very much.
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So Dominic, you are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, Dominic.
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Thank you very much, Dominic.
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If you out there are listening and you're thinking, I like this show, I'd like to support
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what these fellows do, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click that button that
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says support the show, and we would appreciate it.
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Absolutely.
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So, down to business.
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Are we?
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Jordan, today, this is a crazy little couple days in Alex's life.
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Because what we saw on the last couple episodes, we had the John Birch Society president McManus
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come in and Alex waffle on some of his positions in front of him, kowtowing as it were.
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Showing his belly as you would.
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And then the next day him launching pretty hard into a go fuck yourself Glenn Beck kind
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of thing.
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And I kind of expected those themes to continue and it doesn't at all.
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As always, it's just dropped.
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No, he jumps into a completely new narrative.
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A couple of completely new narratives that one of them at least is very interesting and
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some other ones are not so interesting at all.
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And the first one is one of those not so interesting ones.
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It turns out, you know how in 2017 Paul Joseph Watson and Alex got really into calling people
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soy boys?
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I do remember that.
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Everybody was like, hey, you guys are mad at soy.
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Turns out Alex has been mad at soy for a decade.
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We also have a lady who has an organization that tracks the abuse of prisoners in jails.
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But not just the physical abuse, but the medical abuse and also how some of their diets consist
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of close to 60, 70% of soy filled with estrogen and the health problems the men are having
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are just absolutely off the chart.
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Of course, most of the school children are eating close to half soy.
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And so that's one reason the boys are so effeminate and just so happens the plastic
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that we drink out of, the most popular plastic leaches estrogen.
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So it hyper-feminizes the girls going into puberty now at age three.
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Sure, what?
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It's been 14, then 10, then nine, then eight, now seven, now hundreds of thousands in the
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West in age three to four.
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No.
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That is absurd.
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What mysteries of science would it take to get puberty to happen at three?
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What he's talking about is sort of pre-pubital indicators and stuff like that, like adipose
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tissue growing in breast areas, stuff like that.
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And most scientists that I've heard write about it, they link that much more to obesity
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and people being more overweight now.
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In terms of the hormonal aspects of it, like the menses and stuff like that, that hasn't
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gone down significantly since the 1200s.
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It's not three.
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I thought it was going higher in age, right?
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I'm not sure.
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I'm not fully up on the science, so I feel like I would be in the wrong to talk about
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it.
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But I do know that what he's talking about clearly has to be just this idea of pre-pubital
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indicators and stuff like that, which is, as you said, most likely a function of obesity.
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It is also probably because we are all eating soybeans that have been injected with estrogen.
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I assume that's what he's talking about.
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Soy boys.
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Soy boys.
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Soy ladies at this point.
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That's more what he's complaining about.
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It's wild that that's there back then.
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What is it about soy that these people hate so much?
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I think it's probably that it's being pitched as a replacement for meat, and a lot of the
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people who have financial interest in the world are big farms and stuff like that, people
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who have large kill operations going, big beef.
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They probably have a lot of financial tendrils out there in the same way that the coal and
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gas industry do.
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I think it's probably very similar.
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Demonizing soy is a way of attacking the idea of going vegetarian.
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Right.
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They absolutely hate doing anything to stop climate change.
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That is a despicable act.
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That might be their primary piece of it, but it also could just be protecting their meat
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operations, which unfortunately has the byproduct also of being a very polluting industry and
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that sort of thing.
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It's Exxon saying that we shouldn't have any carbon taxes.
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It's the same shit.
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I think it would be not too far of a leap to make that argument.
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I don't know if it's why Alex does, but I think a lot of the soy hatred that you see
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probably traces back to some sort of agribusiness money that comes in through lobbying and stuff
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like that.
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I would assume.
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Anyway, in this next clip, what we see here is that Alex is not off the mandatory service
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bill narrative.
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He is still on that narrative, even though it has passed both the Senate and the House.
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At this point, all of the language that he was concerned about has been stripped out
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of the bill.
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It doesn't exist as Alex is presenting it, but he is now declaring it dead, but the danger
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is not gone.
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So you can go to the bill, and we're going to give you the subsection.
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Right now, to read this, we need to put pressure on them again to have them pull it out yet
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again.
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Again.
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There's a new bill.
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There's a new bill.
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With the same language?
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They will continue to introduce bills.
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Fight and fight and fight and fight.
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Then if they pass the draft, the mandatory takeover of society, indentured servitude,
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slavery, bondage, serfdom, feudalism.
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Naturally.
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If they're able to do this, we need to then fight its implementation and say no, no, no.
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And that's where civil disobedience comes in.
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Mandatory service bill lives on.
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It seemed like a victory of sorts.
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Last week, the Senate approved a bill to radically expand the AmeriCorps program.
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The bill initially contained language that proposed a study for mandatory service for
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all young people in the United States.
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And it listed a bunch of other stuff, too.
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But this language was removed as the bill moved through the Senate and did not appear
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in the final version.
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No, the House.
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Well, it's back.
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The language was stripped from one bill, but it suddenly appeared in another.
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It is now contained in H.R. 1444.
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H.R. 1444.
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So this is just Alex reading from an InfoWars article.
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And so obviously the details are going to be murky on it.
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It's not going to be necessarily true.
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So, of course, the language was taken out as it went through the Senate.
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That's not true.
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It was taken out when it went through the House.
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That language was never there in the Senate version of the bill.
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So that's number one.
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They're fucking up the timeline of it entirely in order to present their version of it, that
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is, massive resistance against this got that language taken out when the language was already
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taken out by the time that Alex's false resistance ever got involved.
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Now, H.R. 144 is the bill that Alex is talking about here.
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It was introduced on March 11, 2009, a good 20 days before this episode we're listening
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to here.
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And just two days after the original mandatory service bill Alex is making shit up about
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was introduced.
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From what I can tell, it looks like the reason for this was that the language in the original
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bill, H.R. 1388, about setting up a commission to explore the reasons for languishing volunteerism
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in America was already in process of being taken out of that original bill.
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So it was being introduced separately to remove that sticking point from H.R. 1388, which
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would allow it to pass the House easier.
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And that same day, March 11, H.R. 1444 was introduced.
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It was sent to committee where it died.
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No action had been taken on the bill since its introduction and it had zero momentum.
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It had been dead in committee for 20 days before Alex knew it existed and it had been
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dead in committee for a week by the time H.R. 1388 had passed the House.
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See, now that is his brilliant move.
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Remember, on our last episode, whenever he started crying, immediately following, finding
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out that it's not going anywhere, I postulated that his tears were because he couldn't use
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it as a propaganda tool anymore.
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But now he gets fresh new life.
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Exactly.
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So now he's like, it looked like a victory, but now I can lie about a bill that you won't
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look into that nobody's looking into because it's fucking gone.
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And as long as it's in committee, you can have like it's Schrodinger's bill.
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It could be passed tomorrow.
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Could be.
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It won't be.
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No.
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Alex is way off on all the details of this, but he's also profoundly late to the party.
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Like if you had any decent staff, they would have been covering this on the March 11th
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episode of the show, not the fucking March 31st episode.
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This is nonsense.
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This is just, this is sloppy.
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Better late than never.
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I guess.
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You gotta get to it.
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In this case, no.
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Strike when the iron is really, really cold and in the past.
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Because that's how you know you're a good Smith.
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Hell yeah.
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Any fucking blacksmith can make a sword out of a hot piece of iron.
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You make one out of a cold one.
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Oh man.
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If you can bend that cold piece of iron and fucking mold it into a sword, put it back
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on itself and hammer it down, down, down.
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It's all about the blacksmith, not the tools.
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Does that track?
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I don't, I guess.
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Felt good.
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So I like this.
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I like this piece because it is funny when you look at the historical framework of this
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and what he's doing and he should know that.
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I can't say that he does know it, but based on how he presents himself as like a journalist
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and a researcher and all this stuff, he should know damn well what's going on here.
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They took that language out and put it in a separate bill and that bill died.
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That's what happened.
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Because it was to some extent even controversial, not just in right wing propaganda circles,
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but in the right wing of Congress.
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Right, of course.
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So that would have ended up probably being a, it would make it much more difficult for
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HR 1388 to pass, which everyone was in favor of.
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You'd take that language out, now the bill passes.
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That's great.
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So now the part that people disagreed on fucking dies in committee.
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That happens all the time.
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That's very standard Congress stuff.
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I think it's always important to note that we can neither confirm nor deny that Alex
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knows anything.
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That is true.
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You know, I have no idea, he should know this.
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Does he know it?
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I don't know.
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You're right, we only have our expectations of what a human should know to go on and those
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might be faulty.
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He's throwing those out of the water.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of which, here's another thing that he absolutely should know, but he's contradicting
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on it.
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This one is crazy.
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Here's one out of the London Telegraph, gotta love this.
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Gotta.
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The head of the G20 coming up in a few days, he's got to first go as the first sitting
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president for an audience and so he can curtsy, bow, and people that were doubting he would
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say, here's the London Telegraph, Barack Obama's team prepare etiquette and gifts for president's
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meeting with the creature known as Queen Elizabeth.
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I didn't say that.
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Barack Obama's team prepare etiquette and gifts for president's meeting with the queen.
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Disgusting queen, a hereditary ruler.
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I mean, how disgusting is this?
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Pretty disgusting.
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I guess?
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So Alex in that clip said he's the first sitting president to go meet with the queen.
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That doesn't track ever?
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At age 25, before she was made queen, Elizabeth met with President Harry Truman acting as
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a proxy for her father King George VI who was severely ill at the time.
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In 1957, now as the queen, Elizabeth came to the United States where she met with Dwight
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D. Eisenhower.
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She was in attendance for a state dinner and even met with former President Hoover at the
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Waldorf Astoria.
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In 1959, Eisenhower would visit Balmoral and visit with Elizabeth again on her turf.
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In 1961, JFK and Jackie visited London where they met with Elizabeth and attended a lavish
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state dinner at Buckingham Palace.
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In 1969, she met with Richard Nixon although she had already met with him in 1957 when
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he was Eisenhower's vice president.
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In 1976, Elizabeth was invited to a grand celebration just after the bicentennial to
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commemorate the continuing friendship between the United States and the UK.
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She was invited by Gerald Ford and there are even famous pictures of the two of them dancing
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together.
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Ford even said to her, quote, the US has never forgotten its British heritage.
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In 1977, she hosted Jimmy Carter at Buckingham Palace where he famously made the inappropriate
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gesture of kissing the queen on the lips, much to the queen and everyone's disapproval.
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That was an international scandal.
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Best move of Jimmy Carter's career.
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Guaranteed.
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Everyone was, that was like, why did you do that?
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Hilarious.
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Yeah.
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I love that.
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In 1982, Reagan visited the queen at Windsor Castle and became the first president to
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stay the night there.
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He would return to visit the queen in the UK three more times during his tenure in office.
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In 1989, George H.W. Bush met with Elizabeth in London and she visited him here in 1991.
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In 1994, Bill Clinton went to the UK, met with the queen.
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George W. Bush met with Elizabeth in 2001 and in 2003, he was the first president to
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visit on what was technically a state visit to the queen.
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The specific definition is hard to nail down but it has something to do with pageantry
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and having to consult Tony Blair about the visit in addition to the queen.
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That's the worst thing that you can do.
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Having to consult with Tony Blair is the worst sentence that you can imagine.
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Yeah.
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So when the Obamas visited in 2009, the world was scandalized when Michelle hugged Elizabeth,
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which is less egregious than Carter's behavior.
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Still great.
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But still might have been against royal protocol, which is really weird.
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There's this whole thing about you can't initiate contact with the queen.
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Even to shake her hand, she has to initiate that contact.
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I know, but doesn't that make it... Shouldn't Alex be the most happy about Michelle hugging
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the queen?
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Isn't that the ultimate act of American disobedience?
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Maybe he will be once an act.
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He won't be.
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No, of course not.
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Yeah, I could see that argument.
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So what you're saying is that literally every president-
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Not literally.
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Well, Nixon.
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No, Nixon met with her twice.
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Oh, that's right.
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As vice president under Eisenhower and as president.
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That's right.
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He's the only president not to meet with the queen during the years that she has been alive
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and on the throne is LBJ.
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He is the only president and most likely that is only because of schedules and because of
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the Vietnam War.
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He's the only president.
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All of those people pretty much have gone, with very few exceptions, have gone and visited
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the queen in the UK and hosted her here.
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It's crazy.
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So he's also talking about bowing to her because he's trying to make this seem like some sort
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of a real scandalous thing.
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Can't imagine.
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So as to the question of bowing, I would like to say, who gives a shit?
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There's this interesting story out of George H.W. Bush's presidency that shows how stupid
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this fake outrage is.
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Very soon after he was inaugurated, Bush went to Japan to attend the funeral of Emperor
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Hirohito.
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It was a very complicated situation since Hirohito had been the leader during World
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War II and Bush was a veteran of that war.
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His plane was even shot down during the war.
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In effect, he was attending the funeral of his enemy's leader, but now he was the leader
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of our country and we weren't at war anymore.
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It's a very complicated dynamic.
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Bush attended that funeral and when he was in line for the procession up to the casket
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and he reached the casket, he bowed to the deceased emperor.
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When he was asked about it, he made the point that it was a sign of respect and the world
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had changed and the U.S. is now friends with Japan and it's customary in Japanese culture.
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So he was showing respect to our now ally and friend.
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After this, he was roundly criticized by the right for bowing to anyone because some picadillos
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of conservative propaganda are evergreen.
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It was bullshit and a cheap talking point to attack Bush back then for this and it's
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bullshit and a cheap talking point for Alex now to use this to attack Obama.
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Now just for fun, when I was looking into this, I found a hilarious collection of pictures
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of Eisenhower bowing to people.
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It's crazy.
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He bowed to everybody.
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He just like, there's pictures of him bowing to Pope John the 23rd, to the wife of then
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Italian Prime Minister Giovanni Granci, to Greek Orthodox Archbishop Ikavos of New York
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and once to Charles de Gaulle.
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Really?
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Yeah, he bowed to everybody.
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I wouldn't bow to de Gaulle.
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Eisenhower loved bowing.
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I mean, I miss it.
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Remember when a controversy was diplomatic politeness?
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That's a controversy.
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To Alex, that's not what this is.
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Trump jerked off on the Queen's face is the next fucking politeness we have.
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No, it was Trump, it was actually that he kept walking in front of her.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Couldn't keep pace with the Queen.
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Which is very rude.
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It is not done.
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Yeah, that's, man, I'm a big fan.
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I didn't know Carter kissed the Queen on her lips.
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Oh yeah.
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That's hilarious.
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That's wild stuff.
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I love that.
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Yeah, that was a huge breach.
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Although at the same time, that is, I don't know, hashtag me too now?
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's unwelcome.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I know that it's not a romantic kiss.
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It's a kiss in the kiss on the cheek European way, but he went for the mouth.
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Did he miss?
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I don't really know.
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Maybe he just missed.
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He's Jimmy Carter.
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I don't know, man.
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It's a weird piece of sort of foreign relations history.
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But, like, my point about all this is that, like, first of all, almost every president,
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everyone except for LBJ, has gone and met with the Queen.
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That is not a big deal.
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They're one of our biggest allies.
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And she's the presumptive head of the country.
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Even though it's imaginary.
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Right.
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It's still, let's have fun with this or whatever.
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Yeah, let's pretend.
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So there's that.
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There's that element that Alex is clearly just making bullshit up about.
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And then with the bowing thing, it's complete nonsense, too.
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He's just trying to score points.
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His version of it would be that, like, it's showing deference and giving up our sovereignty
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to a foreign leader or something like that.
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But it's not really.
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So is shaking hands just being polite in any way?
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The United States president, as head of America, should be walking around with his dick out
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slapping people in the face if he doesn't like them?
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Is that what you really want?
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More or less.
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I think Alex does.
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Isn't that kind of the the idea that they have for what the American president should
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do?
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Yeah.
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And if you watch the video of Obama meeting the queen, he doesn't bow.
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He gives a little bit of a head nod or whatever.
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It's not it's not a it's not like it's not at the shoulders and it's definitely not at
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the waist.
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But there is a little bit of a hey.
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Hey, guess what?
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We're doing this.
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I would I would say that what ends up happening is very close to like doffing your cap.
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You know, it's it's that close in terms of like a polite greeting gesture of some sort.
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It is not a scandal.
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Right.
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It is not bowing to the queen to show submission to the throne.
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Right.
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Which is what Alex would want it to be.
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That is that is kind of a suggestion, though, that his team did do a lot of research.
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They always do.
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Because in if you are going to make that argument of like, well, the American president shouldn't
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bow to that.
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There were differing levels of bow that showed differing levels of respect and what people
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how people would interpret it and what's an appropriate gift and stuff like that.
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There is an entire department in the in the executive branch about that that keeps track
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of foreign cultures and stuff like that.
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So when you go overseas and you meet with a foreign leader, you don't fucking embarrass
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yourself.
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Right.
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That it's an important piece of diplomacy.
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So I there's no scandal here in terms of Obama's team telling him what's appropriate when you
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meet the queen.
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Yeah, he was he was a fucking like state senator and then a senator.
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He's not met a royal before, probably.
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There's no reason to assume he's met a queen now.
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I would have no idea how to handle myself without training.
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If I were to meet a royal, I would cause a scandal.
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I'm going to go with fist bump.
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Oh, absolutely.
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That do it.
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That's what Michelle did.
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Terrorist fist bump.
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I'm going to go with fist bump Obama where on on if we were doing a bracket.
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All right.
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I would say that the final two would be H.W. throwing up on the Japanese prime minister.
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But that was that was Hirohito's son.
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No, no, no, no.
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No, no.
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It was the prime minister.
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Yeah.
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My bad.
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And Carter kissing the queen.
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What are you going to go with?
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Who wins?
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I would say Carter, because at least with Bush, throwing up is almost always an involuntary
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thing.
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And I'm sure you shouldn't have thrown up on the guy.
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That part is kind of.
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But that's a panic choice kind of thing.
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It's a panic choice?
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I think so.
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I think it's like a bop.
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This is happening.
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Thrown up anywhere.
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Sure.
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It's.
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But he might.
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You know, the involuntary nature of it.
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He might have been looking at him when it happened.
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Right.
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Or whatever.
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Right.
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Sometimes vomiting could be pretty immediate.
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Is all I'm saying.
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Yeah.
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Carter could have not kissed the queen.
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Maybe he missed.
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He could have missed.
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I don't think so.
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Now I'm just imagining all the different ways that H.W. could have vomited in that situation
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and the relative.
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I feel like that's not a judicious use of our time.
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I think it's a great idea.
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OK.
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So he throws up on the table.
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Is that better or worse than the prime minister's lap?
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Better.
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You think so?
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Yes.
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Unless it's an insult to the chef.
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Then it's a whole new scandal.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, let's let's move along, because we're still on this topic a little bit.
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On the 30th here, Alex has Webster Tarpley in studio to have an interview, and there's
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a really interesting thing happening that they're not really having a conversation.
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Webster Tarpley is just fucking holding court for most of it.
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He'd also been on the 29th episode, the Sunday episode.
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And so I noticed that he was saying almost the exact same things to the point where I
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thought Alex was just playing the interview from Sunday and then pretending he was in
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studio.
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Oh, that's smart.
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He's just saying the exact same things over and over again.
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There was a rain delay, so they're like, roll up the Tarpley.
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Exactly.
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All right.
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All right.
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That one wasn't good.
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He says, like, the Obama deception is a masterpiece.
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You're going to end up getting awards for this, that sort of shit.
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But then the two of them have a little bit of a bull session about this idea of Obama
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going to meet the queen.
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And Tarpley says some things that are not good.
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He's being received on April Fool's Day tomorrow.
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Then he goes on to Europe for the G20.
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And it says London Telegraph.
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April 20 or April 1st is not the next day after this.
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March 31st is.
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He is practicing etiquette and gifts and how to bow to her London.
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The kowtow.
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By the way, the first sitting U.S. president to go for an audience.
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He has been summoned.
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It's the first U.S. president.
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Well, my friend Phil Berg of Philadelphia.
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It has a case in federal court, according to which Obama may well be a citizen of the
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British Empire by virtue of being born in Kenya, which would make him ineligible for
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the presidency.
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There it is.
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He's either a citizen of Kenya or of Indonesia.
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Indonesia may be a little bit more likely, but he may indeed be a citizen of Kenya.
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I think there's a real question about whether he's qualified to be the president.
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Boo, Tarpley.
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I know why, Tarpley.
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Why do you think that?
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I got a hunch.
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Why do you think that the American president isn't born in this country?
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I got a hunch on your theory.
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I wonder if Webster Tarpley stands by that now.
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I bet he does.
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I wonder what Phil Berg is up to.
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I don't know.
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We should check into that.
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What is Phil Berg up to?
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I don't give a shit.
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Philly Phil?
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So Webster Tarpley's interview is a zero, and we don't need to talk much about it here.
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A lot of it probably could just be said fairly similar to stuff in the Obama deception and
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useless.
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Yeah.
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I think Alex has Luke Rudowski call in, one of the guys from We Are Change, Ron Paul Booster
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and all that shit.
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Apparently, a couple days prior, Luke Rudowski had been sent to the clink.
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He got arrested because he was, I don't know.
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I don't fucking care about this story, I'll be perfectly honest.
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I'm just going to play this clip where Luke explains his arrest because I want to play
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the clip after this.
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So here's Luke explaining what happened to him.
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I don't think this is accurate at all, but surprise, whatever.
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Surprise.
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First of all, I want to thank you and your listeners for calling into the police station
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last night.
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My friend, Anthony and Manny, they're listening to the police officer talking over about the
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press pass and how they wanted to charge me with having a fake press pass.
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It was your caller, it was you that called in and got the charges dropped.
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They are charging me with criminal trespass for walking into a hotel.
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Nothing else.
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I was never asked to leave.
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I walked into the hotel and as soon as I did, I was on the third floor.
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I was immediately ID'd by Bloomberg's personal security guards and police intelligence.
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I was brought downstairs.
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When I was brought downstairs, I was told I was detained.
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I asked them, why am I being detained?
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Why?
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What's the probable cause?
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They were like, no, just stay here.
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You're detained.
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They had put the police intelligence by me.
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Then the police intelligence got the police officers and they told them this kid won't
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leave.
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I was like, can I please leave?
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Can I please get out of here?
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Can I please go home?
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They're like, no, you stay here.
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They went to the other police officers and they said, oh, you won't leave when we come
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to leave.
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I was already on the first floor.
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So that's a frame up.
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Let's stop right there.
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Let me stop you.
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Let me stop you, Luke.
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So that's convoluted and I think what's going on here most likely is just Luke misunderstanding
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what had happened.
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He had a fake press pass or one that wasn't recognized by this event and so he was not
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considered to be press.
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He had no reason to be there.
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If it was a fundraiser, there's probably tickets you have to pay unless you're a part of the
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legitimate press.
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So he was someone who was trespassing there.
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They detained him and told him to hold on.
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Then when they got other people over and they're like, they say this guy won't leave, it wasn't
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about when they said you're detained or whatever.
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It's the part before that, the not leaving part.
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Because I know a bit about Luke Rudowski.
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I know a little bit.
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He yells a lot.
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I don't know anything about Luke Rudowski, but I can already tell you right now that
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Bloomberg's people did not know who Luke Rudowski was.
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Probably not.
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And he probably, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, brought attention to himself
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somehow.
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I've seen a lot of videos of him and one of his trademark things is screaming at people.
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So I would believe, based on the fact that I have no evidence to the contrary, that when
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he was told his press pass was no good, he probably yelled about how I am the press.
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Maybe something like that seems kind of in his character.
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I'm not, I'm not entirely sure.
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Anyway, I don't believe his version of the story.
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It's not.
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It seems like nonsense to me.
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He pulled the press pass version of I am the manager.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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More or less.
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So, uh, that is the setup of this story and the version that Luke wants to tell.
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I, again, I only played it so I could play this next clip where Alex seems to be telling
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Luke to quit.
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Like don't do this anymore.
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You got to, I think Alex is trying to talk him out of being a part of his movement.
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You know, you already, the lawyer you guys had for the last case of this then died mysteriously.
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Tell folks about what happened with that.
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Well, I just want to let you know that this was an official press event.
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This was a Bloomberg fundraiser that other press people were attending.
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No, no.
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I understand that.
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They don't, Luke, a year and a half ago, they already tried to say you had a bomb and your
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camera was a gun.
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And you get death threats at your house.
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All I'm telling you is go ahead and do what you're doing if you want, but be prepared
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for them to kill you.
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I mean, be prepared for us six months from now to hear Luke Rudowski OD'd or Luke Rudowski
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jumped off a bridge or Luke Rudowski shot himself in the head three times.
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I'm saying be fully conscious of the area that you're entering here.
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Okay.
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These people set up governors.
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They don't, they don't care.
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Okay.
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And they went and thank God we already caught them trying to plant bombs on you.
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So all I'm telling you is be conscious.
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You're 22 years old.
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You're not bulletproof.
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I'm telling you that in warfare and info war, there's a certain time to break off things.
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And when you know what you're going up against, I mean, you know, it's going to be hell just
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to try to get you out of this.
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And I know they're wrong.
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They're criminals.
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They're lying.
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All of this.
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I'm not trying to preach at you.
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I care about you.
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And I'm just telling you to watch yourself and you really need to think about what you're,
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you know, I understand it's a press conference.
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I understand you have a right.
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I understand it's a hotel with restaurants and bars and you would have left if they told
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you to leave.
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Like you always do.
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I know I'm saying they're turning up the heat.
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You go to other events on the street, his security people run up to you separately and
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say, that's Luke Rodalski.
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I'm just saying they're on you.
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Even in his own story, he said that they asked him to leave.
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Uh, well, yeah, sort of look, my, my point here, my issue is this seems like an Alex
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who has his humanity intact more than present day.
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You think so?
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Like on our Friday episode last week, we heard him having a complete breakdown because Gavin
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McGinnis doesn't want to do this anymore.
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That's true.
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And now we see in 2009, I think he feels really bad about the world he has introduced Luke
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Rodalski into because Luke Rodalski is very inspired by Alex.
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He considers himself mini Alex Jones, young, young gun Alex Jones out there on the streets.
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Not good.
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No, not great.
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So I think there's a, I think what you're hearing expressed there is Alex feeling a
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little bit of guilt and, and, and a concern that Luke is going to get himself in bigger
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trouble and that he'll have to feel bad about it.
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I am never, ever not shocked by how we do an episode in the present.
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And then by, I guess, coincidence our very next episode in the past, he does the exact
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opposite.
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It is weird.
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And it's not the exact opposite, but there are such thematic, uh, parallels and discrepancies
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here.
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It's very wild to see what, what could be, uh, like, uh, uh, sort of fair pep talk to
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a colleague, uh, ally in the past and a very unfair one in the present.
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It is interesting.
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Yeah.
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Go ahead and keep doing what you're doing.
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They're just going to kill you.
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I mean, there's no big deal.
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I would suggest you stop doing it, but go ahead and get, you're going to do it, Gavin.
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I'm ready to kill people.
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Yeah.
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It's insane.
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It's insane to see like how sort of similar stimulus creates such a different response,
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uh, in different time periods.
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Some would say that's a sign of deterioration.
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Well, on the other hand, there is a certain amount of Luke accepts the paternal relationship,
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whereas Gavin did not accept it.
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That is true.
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So part of Alex's...
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Also it's because Gavin's three years older.
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Exactly.
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Which is bananas.
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Yeah.
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But part of that frustration has to come from like, this is a clear, uh, hierarchy, whereas
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Gavin seems to be his equal.
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But I think that that's why Alex can feel those things.
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That's probably why he is able to access those emotions because, uh, Luke has willingly entered
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that, uh, power dynamic.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I think it's possible that Alex just can't contextualize relationships outside of the
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very rigid norms that he's accustomed to.
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Speaking of people who are subordinate to him, in this next clip, we get to catch up
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with a young Rob Doo, who also isn't as young as he seems.
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How old is Rob Doo now?
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He's as old as Alex.
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Right.
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So back then he's 15.
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He's maybe 30 is probably, I think probably 35 at least.
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So Alex has sent Rob Doo and someone else.
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I don't remember the guy's name.
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He doesn't still work at Infowars.
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Uh, he's a, uh, junior varsity player at least at best.
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Um, he sent them to Sacramento because Alex has got a big narrative cooking in Sacramento
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about how there's a homeless camp there.
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There's a tent city.
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And Arnold Schwarzenegger has come in and said that all of these people that are living
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at this tent city need to be taken to the fairgrounds where they will be housed.
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Uh, and Alex has created this as a proto FEMA camp.
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Right.
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I assumed it was more about the relevance of the Sacramento Kings to the NBA at that
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point in time.
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Nothing to do with that.
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Right.
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Uh, it has to do with Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, running a proto FEMA
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camp.
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And this is how I solved the fact that Alex owns arnoldexposed.com.
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This is what that is about.
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He has decided that Arnold Schwarzenegger is doing a trial run of FEMA camps with this
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tent city in Sacramento and he has dispatched two employees who are incompetent to go and
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cover it.
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Okay.
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So wait, is, is, uh, uh, Arnold visiting the FEMA camp?
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No, but he had, okay.
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He had gone down there.
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All right.
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Spoiler alert.
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This isn't anything about, uh, uh, Arnold.
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He just sort of agreed with the, and approved of the policy.
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It was the mayor of Sacramento who's really the power force behind this, but we'll get
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into this because I have, I have a lot to say about Alex's narrative and where he's
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getting the, the ideas from that he's espousing.
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I can track those down to exactly where they came from and I know exactly why he cares
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about this.
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You're so excited about that.
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It has nothing to do with FEMA camps.
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You love getting the exact source correctly.
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So here is Alex having a little chat with Rob Dew live and direct from Sacramento.
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Rob Dew, tell me about your experience when you got into Los Angeles, what you saw there
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with the homeless in 10 cities, what you witnessed up in Sacramento.
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Oh, by the way, I don't think I have a clip of this, but Rob Dew and this other guy say
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that they went to Los Angeles and the other guy is from Los Angeles.
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So he knows where all the homeless people hang out and he goes there and there's nobody
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there.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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Do you go to Skid Row in 2009?
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Did you?
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Cause it was still fucking nightmare zone.
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No, they were all hidden by Arnold.
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I can't imagine.
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They keep saying like, all these homeless people are gone in Los Angeles.
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I couldn't find a homeless person who couldn't find a homeless person in LA.
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That might be me embellishing, but that isn't the point.
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Essentially what they're doing.
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Oh man.
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Oh, they're now going to force some there's and I have a video clip coming up with Schwarzenegger
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and the Sacramento mayor saying, look, tough love.
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You can't just live out here in tents.
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We're going to make you go.
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It's more about the fact that they didn't have running water or any sanitation out there
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and it was a public health crisis to the fairgrounds.
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So Rob Dew joining us from California.
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Well, Alex, I don't think they're going to go quietly.
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Um, everything, uh, the people that we've been talking to here, they, they don't plan
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on going to this expo Cal expo center.
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Um, they're very, uh, they really, they don't get a lot of information or feedback from,
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uh, from the mayor or the city that they just come down all of a sudden and tell them things.
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And uh, um, it's a real interesting environment and everybody that we've met so far has been
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really nice.
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Um, these people just want to live here and be left alone.
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And um, you know, it's right at the edge of town and you go right over some railroad tracks
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where a levy is and you can see, uh, there's at least in just for this one little area,
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there's at least a 310 kind of spread out over a few acres.
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That's a massive embellishment of the number, but be that as it may, there are places like
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in Portland, I believe it's called dignity city or something like that, uh, where they
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have places like resources that are available, porta potties running water and that sort
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of thing that are provided by the city and people can make a tent like tent encampments
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there.
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This is not one of those situations.
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This is just a bunch of people living in tents in relative squalor, uh, with like there's
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interviews that I read where people are like, we shit on trees out back or whatever, stuff
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like that.
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It's deeply dangerous and then also you have the possibility for, uh, you know, people
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to be exploited.
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It's a, it's a, it's a recipe for disaster.
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Yeah.
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I don't understand what it's going to take to get people to, to recognize that the homeless
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population being homeless is a public health disaster for you as well.
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There's so much that can be fucking mitigated in terms of, uh, disease in terms of, uh,
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I mean, just cause of skid row, there was a TB outbreak, uh, not, uh, not too many years
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back because of, yeah, because of those, uh, high density, uh, uh, and it's not their fault.
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It's not blaming the homeless people's fault taking care of people is also taking care
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of yourself.
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And if that's the only way you can get there, then good, you shouldn't care about the people
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themselves.
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Yeah.
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If you want to do it out of self interest.
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Fine.
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But at least get somewhere.
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Yeah.
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You know, it'd be nice.
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Uh, but see, here's the thing is that this like Rob has already pointed out that everyone
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was really nice.
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They're trying to present this image that these are a different kind of homeless people
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that hang out at this tent city, uh, that Alex, he's going to express it here.
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Hold on.
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Yeah.
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I got that in this next clip.
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So they won't let you go out and live in the woods or go out and live on the side of the
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road or you'll live by a river and then try to raise money.
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They're going to force you in with the crack heads, with the heroin heads, with the schizophrenics,
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with the, you know, kind of baseline of classic homeless with this new homeless, the working
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poor integrating them into this hell hole, taking their basic freedom away.
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And as the economy implodes, you're going to see more and more of this.
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And this is the precedent Obama has said, and the bills introduced to set up these FEMA
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camps and your prisoners in them.
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Uh, so, so, so what are they saying?
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What are they saying that the expo center, the fairgrounds is like, and are they saying
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they're going to be forced in?
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Well, a lot of them said they're not going to go and they said they tried to force them
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in and they're going to say no, and they're either going to grab what they can grab and
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move farther back into the woods.
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So right there really quick, I'm sorry to cut you off, but I wanted, I wanted him to
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make the point that he was going to make, but there at the end, there is one point out
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that Rob do, he's like his exact response to that question implies that no one is forcing
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anybody anywhere.
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The idea of like, if they try to force us in, we won't go, although they're not forcing
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you that, you know, this is anyway, uh, no, I just completely missed the, uh, the implication
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with him saying that they're nice.
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It's because what he's saying when he says they're actually really nice is, well, this
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isn't what you would expect from homeless people.
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We assume that homeless people aren't people like us.
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Well, there's that.
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But then there's also, uh, like what Alex was saying in that clip, uh, part and parcel
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of the, they're nice.
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Alex is trying to present this image that the people in this tent city are, uh, the
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work session refugees is the term that a lot of people would use Hoovervilles.
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Yeah.
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And this idea that all they're doing is trying to live in these tent cities for a little
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while to get a down payment for a house.
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Like he's legitimately saying that, which is, yeah, first of all, I mean, even if you
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don't know anything about that situation, that's crazy that, that the idea of maybe
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getting a month's rent or something like that, conceivable a down payment on a house in Sacramento.
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I'm just going to go live in this tent city for a few months to get about 15 to 20 grand
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to put a down payment on a house while I'm unemployed.
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I'm just trying to get back on my feet, get a job so I can get a down payment on a house.
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Like the logistics of this are absurd.
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Oh, once I get a job, I'll have that 15 to 20 grand.
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But Alex has an ulterior motive here in operation.
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And the reason he sent Rob do down there, isn't to get to the bottom of the story.
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It isn't to help anybody.
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It's to get footage for his new documentary.
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No, I guess you guys are scheduled to come back tomorrow.
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Uh, yeah, tomorrow, late in the evening, we're going to take off.
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I think about six 30 at night.
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Well, I mean, this is a key shoot.
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You might think about moving the ticket to Wednesday because I need you to go back through
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that archipelago to, you know, to show these are people literally in the wild living back
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here and how it's a lot larger than what the news even shows.
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I need you to manufacture the reality I need for my new documentary.
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I want you to exploit these people so I can continue to do this.
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Right?
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Absolutely.
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I need you to go use these people living in tents as a prop for me to make whatever argument
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I'm going to make.
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So there's a lot more to this story, but this is where it leaves off on the 30th when we
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get back to it on the 31st I will explain everything, but for now, but for now Alex
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jumped ship and he gets to, he gets back to the mandatory service bill and this next clip,
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Alex expresses exactly what I knew he would and I was waiting for him to soul nations
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turning into a giant prison.
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I'm going to cover other news like mandatory service bill lives on alert, alert, we barely
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got it pulled out last week, thanks to your actions and others, viral stories on the web.
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Now it's back.
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They know we'll be less upset this time.
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Oh, we got to fight it again.
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And they do it again.
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Oh, we got to fight it again.
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That's the psychology these people use.
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So Alex, I was just waiting for the moment he would take responsibility for getting the
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language taken out of the bill.
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Of course.
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To his credit, he hasn't up till this point, but now he's literally saying we got it taken
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out last week because of your hard work and our getting the word out.
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They were forced to get rid of this enslavement language.
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Even though they had already gotten rid of it prior to me even starting to talk about
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it.
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You bet.
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You, the listeners, but mainly me, managed to get this language taken out of the bill
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two weeks before you knew it was there and two weeks before I knew it was gone.
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This is the way propaganda works.
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It's awesome.
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You take these ingredients like baking soda, flour, salt.
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Is that how you make propaganda?
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I don't know.
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You take these ingredients.
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Is that bread or propaganda?
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
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You take these ingredients that you can't eat flour on its own.
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That's useless.
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You add a couple things to it.
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You make bread.
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In the same way, in the past, the reality is the flour.
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It's that this language was taken out without you doing anything about it.
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So you add the baking soda, which is lying about the timeline, and now you got bread.
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You got propaganda bread.
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There you go.
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Metaphor isn't perfect.
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And when is it ever?
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Do you throw any eggs in bread?
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Good.
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I don't know.
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I've never made bread.
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Let's make bread.
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Let's do it.
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Let's start selling a knowledge fight bread.
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Okay, I'm in.
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Yeah.
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Chobata only.
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Yes.
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Anyway, so at the beginning of the episode, the first clip we heard was Alex seeming to
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launch his crusade against soy.
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And he mentioned that he was going to have a guest on talking about the prisons.
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Her name is Karen Russo, and she works for an organization that revolves around abuses
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in prison.
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She wants to talk about real shit.
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Yeah, because she's actually working to stop abuses in prison.
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I think.
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Okay.
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I don't know enough about her that I'm going to give her a stamp of approval, but at the
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same time, in my looking into her, I didn't see any huge red flags that you usually do
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with Alex's guests.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And on this episode-
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Like prison time?
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And on this episode, Alex just keeps trying to steer her towards soy, and she just wants
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to talk about how prisoners die and stuff like that.
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Just boil it down for us, how you got into this, your research.
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You cover a lot of different areas, but I've heard you on the radio talking about, on the
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Genesis Network specifically, prisons.
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And people can say, oh, well, they're feeding them half their diet or more of soy.
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What's wrong with that?
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Well, they admit it's full of estrogen-mimicking hormone.
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Men grow breasts.
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They have serious health problems.
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They gain weight.
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They're feeding close to half the diet in public schools is now soy-based.
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Same thing there.
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So that's just one small issue you cover, though, isn't it?
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Yes, it is.
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It is a small issue that I cover.
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And then she launches off in a different direction that isn't about soy.
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I don't understand.
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He's already there.
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He's already there with the negative treatment of people in prisons.
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Why can't you just fold reality into your propaganda?
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Just throw in.
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And guess what?
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They're also mistreating prisoners this way.
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These are all the ways they're mistreating prisoners.
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Well, because he has a rampage against soy.
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And, I mean, I'm telling you, she's having a conversation about real things.
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Yeah, but you can throw soy in there.
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Throw it.
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Add the real ingredients, you know?
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You're more than welcome to do that.
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But the way he's doing it, it makes me feel like he really wants to get this in, and it's
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what he wants this interview to be about.
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Here, in this next clip, he steers her towards it again in the middle of a different conversation.
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Going back to Karen Russo.
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Karen, I want to get into the soy issue, the diets.
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I mean, there's so many, but just continue with whatever you think is most important.
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And I'll hit on the diet.
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And I want to zero in on a couple of stats, just so people can kind of get a handle on
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the numbers that we're talking about here.
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We are the only country in the world that incarcerates as many human beings.
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That is correct.
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There are 2.3 million folks locked up in a jail or a prison today.
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Yeah, but they're mostly black, so I like that.
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In addition to that 2.3 million are on probation and parole.
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That's a total of 7.4 million people.
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Now, let me stop you.
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I saw CBS News last year said 4 million.
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I'd always seen the 2.5 million.
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Well, and I really think you can do with anything with statistics, but it goes back, and I'm
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a real stickler for this, even with my clients, statistics are statistics.
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No, no, and that's what I'm asking you, because you study this.
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What's the real number?
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2.3 million are locked up.
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Alright.
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He almost seems disappointed that the number isn't 4 billion.
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Oh, I wanted it to be 4.
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What is that?
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60%?
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Boo.
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I could yell about that.
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If you're telling me it's lower than a number that I've introduced as being a possible number,
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then this doesn't work for me.
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Are you saying that there's 100 million people, no, 95?
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Boo.
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Boring.
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Yeah, I mean, you can even see there the, like, we'll get to whatever you want to talk
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about, but I have more important issues I want to get to.
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That's the flavor of the entire interview, which is what kind of leads me to think that
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maybe she's not as crazy as most of Alex's guests.
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She might be someone who actually is interested in advocacy.
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Is he selling food at this time?
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Uh, buh, buh, buh.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He foods direct.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He's selling survival food.
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He has to be selling some food, too.
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I was like, why can't he just throw in actual issues and get people motivated?
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And there's, of course, two reasons.
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One, he has to demonize soy so he can sell his food.
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Maybe.
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Probably.
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Because the government's putting estrogen in soy, so you need to come direct to me because
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you know I only put testosterone from my balls directly into this food.
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Beef testosterone.
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Exactly.
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And two, because if you start talking about real shit, people are gonna want to do something
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about it.
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It's possible.
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And he can't have that.
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And it detracts from some of the other points that he makes.
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So in this clip, I kind of started to get the feeling that maybe she wasn't so cool,
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but I think that she's making a good point poorly.
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And then Alex comes in and you were saying that he doesn't care because there's a lot
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of black people locked up.
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This isn't about black people, but it's not the kind of thing I like to hear.
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Every time an inmate gets let loose and he's got HIV, HCV, TB, MRSA, meningitis, you name
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it, every time they're released out here, it is going to affect you.
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Next time you run through a fast food thing, understand who's washing the dishes.
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So that's the point that I think that she's making very poorly.
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That's a really poorly made point that I get, but that's not the way...
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I think that she's trying to get the audience and Alex to understand that the issues...
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It's the same thing you were talking about with the homeless people.
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Helping these people helps you and hurting them can hurt you.
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If that's the baseline of getting you to understand this, then...
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I think she articulates that poorly, but what's behind it is not like a protect yourself from
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homeless people or prisoners.
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It is a treat people better argument, and so I'm all right with that.
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And I assume that part of that argument for her has to be, so if we have somebody in prison
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who has meningitis or who has TB, it's going to affect every other prisoner, and we have
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2.3 million people in prison, so that is what is...
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So by incarcerating so many people, we're spreading disease, and then, because they're
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going to be released, that disease is spread elsewhere among the population.
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It's interesting you're talking about the spread of diseases, because that's exactly
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where Alex picks things up.
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Oh boy.
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Let's expand on that.
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Let's expand on that.
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You see it in medical journals, but you never see it in the news.
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Massive drug-resistant TB from illegal aliens in the prisons infecting everybody.
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Oh no!
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Massive...
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Why was it not illegal aliens?
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Well, I understand.
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It was just spreading.
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It's spreading out to everybody, but...
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So she even chimes in, it's not illegal aliens.
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Nope, sir.
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What are you talking about?
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Sir, why did you...
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No, you didn't need to throw that in there.
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Yeah.
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We're talking about people like you and me.
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Yeah.
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The point is that we're incarcerating so many people who shouldn't be incarcerated, not
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illegal aliens.
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And not providing them with...
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Adequate care.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So her argument still, while articulated, not as well as I would like, there are strong
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indications that she's not on the same tip as Alex.
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Right.
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So that's interesting.
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You know, just another little piece of bigotry, and then a weird out-of-nowhere rampage against
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Soy, because he has not brought up Soy Boys at all in the time that I've been listening
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to the 2009 and 2008 stuff.
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So it's weird.
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It is out of nowhere.
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But it is also along the lines of things he's said before, but just never targeting Soy.
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Yeah.
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I think I agree with you in that so far she has kind of pushed back on demonizing anyone,
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which is why her point is kind of made poorly in that it sounds like she's demonizing people
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who are released from prison because they're working in your food production.
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If you're not very smart, it could be heard as an argument that you should be afraid of
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these sick people being let out of prison.
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And they should never be let out of prison.
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Or something like that.
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It should be quarantined.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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But that's not the point she's making.
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It's just if she was a little bit closer with language, she would have made that point better.
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So that's the end of where we're going to talk about her, and that's the end of the
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30th.
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And we go on to the 31st.
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And where we're going to start is somewhere really interesting because as we know, Alex
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is super against the banks that have had to be bailed out giving bonuses to their CEOs.
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Agreed.
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And when he had John McManus, the head of the John Birch Society on his show, McManus
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made the point that who cares if these companies are giving people bonuses?
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That's the government stepping in and saying how you should be able to run a business.
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Free market.
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To which Alex said absolutely.
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That is absolutely the case.
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Give them all bonuses.
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And just a couple of days later, what does he say?
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Meanwhile, Limbaugh says it's free market to let the bankers do this and to give them
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all their bonuses of stolen money.
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And he calls Obama a socialist who's engineered all this and working with Limbaugh's handlers.
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What a joke.
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That is a joke.
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Yeah.
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I agree, Alex.
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I don't understand.
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So it appears that it's less of like a changing of his morals as it is an absence of any.
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So when he has someone who he feels himself to be lower than on the hierarchy totem pole
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like the president of John Birch Society.
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I think that's great.
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Give me some more bonuses.
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Tell me how much bonuses.
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I want to double it.
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If McManus was like, why should you tell private companies that they can't take contracts to
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build FEMA camps?
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I agree.
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It makes perfect sense.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Alex is just, there's nothing behind any of this.
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You get someone with high status around him and he'll just agree with them.
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Or somebody who he hates or no, I mean the opposite being somebody who he hates, he'll
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just disagree with automatically regardless.
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Like for sport.
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Yeah.
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So there is a bit of news on the 31st and that is that the president of General Motors
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had stepped down.
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This is in the aftermath of Obama saying he should step down because of the mismanagement
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of GM and how it crippled the auto industry and the government had to step in and make
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them solvent and that sort of thing.
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So everyone went buck wild with it and the story was that Obama fired him.
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Of course.
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God, I hate people.
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But that doesn't track in terms of him just saying he should resign and then he resigns.
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That's a choice he made and should have.
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So here's Alex talking about how Obama fired the head of GM.
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Obama's dictator status expands with firing of Wagner, this is a prisonplanet.com story
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from Paul Joseph Watson, the staggering spectacle of a sitting president effectively firing
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the CEO of a private company heralds the beginning of a new phase in government takeover of free
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enterprise according to the shocked economic observers.
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When you say effective firing, you're not really saying anything because Obama didn't
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fire this guy.
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He didn't tell GM to fire him.
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Anything like that.
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It's just fun use of language to demonize somebody.
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It's kind of boring, actually.
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I mean, yeah, shouldn't he have just been imprisoned?
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Maybe.
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Like, that's better than, you know, I mean, if Obama says, hey, he should step down with
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zero consequences whatsoever other than not running GM anymore, that's not firing.
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If Obama was like, hey, guess what, we're investigating you and now you're going to
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go to jail.
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Right.
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Well, bail out your company.
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You're going to jail.
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You're fucked.
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Yeah, something like that.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, I'm not really interested in that narrative.
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I think it's just another way of pointing the finger at Obama unfairly, much like he's
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bowing to the queen nonsense.
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He's bowing, though.
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Now, we get another guest.
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It's one of our favorite guests.
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It's a guy who sells soap.
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Oh, boy.
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Are we going to get a limerick?
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Marty Schachter.
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Are we going to get a Schachter limerick?
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President of Kalben Soap drops by the show, and he doesn't have a limerick.
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He has a limerick that one of Alex Jones's fans sent him.
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Oh, God, no.
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We've got all the phone calls we get, the faxes we get, the emails we get from satisfied
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users.
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It's a pleasure every day coming to my office and reading another email.
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I even got one guy who more than emailed me.
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He sent me a limerick, and he says, "'Twas on Alex Jones that I be found, that sage young
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man of world renown, whose hearty endorsement gave me hope that I'd be happy with your pure
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soap."
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Marty, what's up, man?
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Oof. You're something else.
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Oh, boy.
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I heard another limerick.
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Every fucking time you come on, I hear a goddamn limerick, and I have to fake laugh at it.
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God, I hate you.
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I could just-
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Schachter?
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I don't want to take your money.
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You're ruining my show.
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What soap company calls their patrons users?
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Users of soap?
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You use the soap?
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Yeah, but users-
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I like it.
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So Alex has an employee in there in the studio, and he's like, come on, get on mic here.
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You got you to use the soap.
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And he's like, you know, you didn't believe me when I was talking about how great this
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soap is, but the soap you have, it's lasted you a year.
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That's not good soap.
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That's bad soap.
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And the guy's like, yeah, it's lasted me forever.
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And then I was like, how is this soap lasting you a year?
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Are you not using it?
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And then it turns out that it comes in 150 bar packages.
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That better last you a year.
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That better last you a fucking two years.
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Yeah.
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Now I'm concerned you're using too much soap.
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This isn't impressive anymore.
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150 bars of soap lasts a year.
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This is the school bus sized air water converter of soap.
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That literally means you're going through, what, two and a half, or one bar of soap every
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two and a half days.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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That's crazy.
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Too much.
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Maybe they're tiny little bars.
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Hotel bars of soap.
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Yeah.
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Could be.
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I like it.
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So Alex thinks that that's the limerick for the day and he tries to...
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He thinks he's done with the limerick.
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So then he tries to end the interview here in this next clip.
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All right, Marty, that was the first time you gave us somebody else's limerick.
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Next month we'll get another one of your great limericks.
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I got the limerick all ready to go.
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We got another minute.
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All right.
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We'll come back and get your limerick.
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Then I'll get into all the news.
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Folks, stay with us.
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He's miserable.
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He hates this so much.
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He hates...
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I got my limerick ready to go.
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I'll get you back after this.
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Next month.
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Next month we'll get your lim...
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Oh, great Lord.
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We do not have to wait till next month because when they come back from break, Alex tees
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them up and Marty Shachter knocks them down.
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Yeah, real quick, Marty.
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You're known for your limericks.
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Give us a limerick.
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19th century repeat.
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There was an old man of Nantucket who kept all his cash in a bucket.
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Careful, careful, careful.
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A man named Nan ran away with a man and as far as the bucket, Nantucket, Pa followed
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the pair to Pawtucket.
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Oh, we're still going.
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The man and the girl with the bucket, and he said to the man, you're welcome to Nan,
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but as for the bucket, Pawtucket.
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Then the pair followed Pa to Manhasset, where he still held the cash as an asset.
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The man and the man stole the money and ran and then this for the bucket, Manhasset.
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Marty you're something else.
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You're one in a million.
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Take care, my friend.
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Thank you guys.
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Talk to you soon.
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Bye-bye.
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You bet.
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Five star sub.com.
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Okay.
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Triple limerick.
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Oh, I want it.
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I want it.
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Oh, if there's some hell that I could wish upon Alex, it is just listening to his limericks.
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Yeah.
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Actually that one took me like two to three times listening to it to be like, what are
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you saying?
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I didn't get it.
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The end reveal of Manhasset is weird.
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Oh man.
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So the whole limerick is about this bucket.
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Hold on.
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Do we have Percy By Shelley in studio?
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We may.
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Lord Byron is here giving us a limerick about a bucket.
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I would prefer to receive some of his pubes.
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You're in dangerous territory when you're doing a limerick and it starts with Nantucket.
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There's the dick so long you can suck it.
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There's the real urge to say, fuck it.
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There's so many.
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It's just street limericks don't start with Nantucket and end well.
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He used street limericks?
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Of course he doesn't use that language.
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His parents washed his mouth out with soap, which is where he got the idea for the soap
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company.
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Inject soap once every day.
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That tickled me to no end.
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I was very thrilled to hear Marty Schechter come in because when I heard the first limerick,
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I was like, kind of disappointing that it was from a listener and it was about his soap
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as a kind of like, and then when he came in with that, I was like, this is a really long
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limerick.
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This is amazing.
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This is so amazing.
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And whenever he finishes a limerick, Alex can't do anything but fake laugh and say, you're
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something else.
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That's it.
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That's his, that's his like script.
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It really is close to, it's the closest Alex could ever get to David Letterman in that
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it's like, I want to abuse my guest because you are the worst.
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So I'm going to do it in a damning faint praise.
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But there's agents and stuff and if I am too mean to you, then I won't get the other guests
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that I want.
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So now we get back here at the end of this 31st episode and we get back to this homeless
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camp, tent city narrative and here is where we'll figure out what is really going on here.
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Alex sets things up and again, he wants to make the picture clear that these are people
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trying to buy houses.
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The issue here is Schwarzenegger announced, the governor of Hawaii announced and others
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are announcing that you're not allowed to be homeless, they're going to force you into
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sports stadiums and the fairgrounds and they make you, in California, go to the fairgrounds
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of different facilities at, well at 5am they wake you up, they bust you out, drop you off,
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you have to be back at 3 o'clock to be brought back in, not allowed to take really any of
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your belongings, it's overcrowded cots and you wear bracelets, they want to scan you.
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It's basically a prison and this sets a very, very dangerous precedent as the depression
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intensifies and more people become homeless.
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Regular folks, the working poor, want to go out and live intensively for a few months,
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on average is the story, to raise enough money to get a down payment on a house, to rent
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or an apartment because they've got to get a lot of money to be able to do that to pay
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two or three months down as their deposit, the pet deposit and the rest of it.
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So I mean that's just ludicrous, this is a ludicrous presentation of the story but that's
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already kind of the world we lived in with his coverage of the last time.
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Now he's not going to talk to Rob Dew, he's going to talk to that other dude, Jason something
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or other, who's down there, he's the guy from LA who claims that there's no homeless people
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around or some shit.
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And we get another character, we get another homeless character in this saga and he is
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going to be used as a horribly exploitative prop or at least Alex wants to use him as
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such.
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I have no evidence that he succeeds in using him as such but if you listen to this clip
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and think Alex has good intentions, you are high.
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You know we just talked to a guy that got his, he got pulled over and because he didn't
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have insurance on his new Winnebago, they just took it, they took all of his belongings,
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everything he owned and left him out on the side of the street.
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And somebody pointed out tent city and said, you know, we're camping out over there.
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And so that's how he made his way over here.
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Interesting story.
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What will it be to unimpound his vehicle?
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He was saying it was about $1,000.
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Okay.
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I can't afford that.
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I know you guys are supposed to leave today and you're going to end up not having time
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to do this but it's not just important for the film to show this.
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Ah, goddammit.
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Are they going to make him show up with insurance on top of it to be able to get it out?
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Yeah, he'll have to, he'll have insurance in order for them to get it out.
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Is there, is there, look, I know your wives and children think you're coming back tonight.
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Can you change the ticket and stay another day and I'll wire you money and then you can
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get that whole process on tape to show this crime.
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This is key for the film.
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Plus I want to help this guy.
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I will pay the $1,000 to get the Winnebago out.
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I will pay to get him a month of insurance.
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I am such a great guy.
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I love that this is key footage for the film.
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Also I want to help this guy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Kind of giving away what your motivations are.
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I really need to get this footage and as a completely altruistic gesture, I am going
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to get his Winnebago out, pay for one month of insurance.
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When he will have this happen again in a month.
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And then two months later he will be back in the impound lot.
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Most likely, but that's not key footage.
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No, no, no, no.
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So yeah, we got a situation here where Alex is trying to be very manipulative and exploitative
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and this next clip I think should give you a sense of what's going on here.
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Alex has every reason to believe that this guy is white.
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Those cops had no soul.
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They should have just said, buddy, get insurance, get this off the road.
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And here's the nexus point.
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I've had sheriffs and police chief on us, but all over the news, illegal aliens when
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they're caught 10, 15 to a van or Winnebago, the judges just release them so police don't
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arrest them.
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I had an employee with an expired driver's license.
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One day I pull up to the office, there's two police cars and cherries.
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I pull up.
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I know to approach him from a distance.
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I walk up, the police kind of charge up to me.
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What do you want?
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And they said, Oh, it's Alex Jones.
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They said, Hey, Alex, like your show, blah, blah, blah.
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Video guys.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I mean, to make a long story short, I said, you wouldn't be arresting him right
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now if he was illegal alien.
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They said, no, the judges just let them go.
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We're told not to.
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So again, an American citizen gets no leeway instead of just saying, you better pull that
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off.
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If I see this again, I'll give you a ticket.
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Instead of giving him a ticket for not having the insurance, they stole his Winnebago.
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So you see the dichotomy he's presenting.
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It's very similar to the dichotomy he was presenting earlier about the idea of these
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people in the tent city are nice and they're good.
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They're just trying to get money together to buy a home.
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And Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to force them in with the other bad homeless people
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who are drug addicts and crazy and all this stuff you see here, this guy got his Winnebago
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taken and Alex is certain that it's because he's a good citizen, not an illegal alien.
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He's trying to create these divisions in category.
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Now here's where this is interesting.
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Here we find ourselves at the end of March 2009 and Alex is going whole hog on this narrative
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about Arnold Schwarzenegger forcing homeless people into a county fairground, which according
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to Alex is the first run of putting people into FEMA camps.
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It's easy to see how we'd make this connection, but it's really important to take a moment
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and look at the reality of the situation to see how he's lying about a couple things and
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he's actually being tricked into supporting a couple others.
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This all started back at the beginning of March when Oprah sent reporter Lisa Ling to
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Sacramento to cover the homeless tent city that had popped up there.
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The reporting was incredibly flawed and based on a fundamentally incorrect premise, namely
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that the people living in the tent city were newly homeless.
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The reason for misreporting this is easy enough to see.
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It's a catchy hook for a story and Oprah called them the, quote, new face of homelessness,
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the noble working poor who'd lost it all in the recession.
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The problem is that this wasn't even close to true for the vast majority of the people
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living in that tent city.
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According to the Bay Area News Group, quote, with foreclosure rates in the Sacramento region
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among the highest in the nation, the ragtag camp has been depicted as a symbol of the
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economic meltdown, people who'd lost their homes and were suddenly pitching tents along
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a riverbed.
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The truth is somewhat less dramatic.
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Although a sliver of the roughly 200 tent city residents are recently middle class people
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who lost their homes, the overwhelming majority, 80 to 90 percent by several estimates, have
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been homeless for years, even decades.
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A report in Reuters was even more severe saying, quote, a closer examination of the site, including
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interviews with camp residents and police officers who patrol the area, turned up little
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if any evidence that true recession refugees were living among the chronically homeless
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there.
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55-year-old tent city resident John Kranitz commented on the influx of reporters covering
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the tent city after it was featured on Oprah, saying, quote, they don't want to talk to
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me.
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They're searching for people who just lost their homes.
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It's kind of tough to lose a home when you've never owned one.
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Sorry, most of the people here have been homeless for a long time.
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Oprah's report included a bogus statistic that 1,200 people were living in tent cities,
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when in reality that was the number of homeless total in Sacramento, and the number at the
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tent city was between one and 200.
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So yeah, I was going to say there's no way that there could be that many people in one
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tent city.
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It would it would eventually be its own city.
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So one in 200 people, Alex has had Rob do saying that it's over 300 tents, that would
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be two to three tents per person.
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That's nonsensical.
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They're over inflating this.
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Joan Burke, the advocacy director for Loaves and Fishes, commented on the situation, quote,
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the media are trying to capture a very complex situation in a soundbite.
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We've had homelessness in this country for decades.
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Each person has their own circumstances.
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You have to tease that out if you're going to address the problem.
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Why do we care so much for people who suffer for a short time versus those who suffer for
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a long time?
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What's that about?
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The media saw an easy human interest story here, and even if their intention was to help
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address the issue of homelessness, all they did is create a fictional narrative that was
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exploited by a myriad different forces to push their own agendas.
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People who wanted to attack Obama could use this story to create the image of modern Hoovervilles.
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People who wanted to attack Bush could say that this horror was all his fault.
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People like Alex could use it to argue that, quote, good, hardworking people were being
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forced into camps.
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None of this reflected reality.
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Schwarzenegger wasn't even behind the plan.
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He just approved of it because he was the governor of California.
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It was Mayor Kevin Johnson who was the one who was making the plans, including setting
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up a homelessness task force and having meetings, which included input from people like
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John Kranitz.
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The plan was not to shut down the tent city and move them into a fairground FEMA camp.
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There was also an $880,000 package that was approved to add beds to existing homeless
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shelters and create additional shelters, plus offering retail apartments for approximately
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40 additional people who are suffering with homelessness.
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So what we have here is a situation where, unfortunately, the interesting element here
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is that the origin of this propaganda narrative isn't Alex.
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It's Oprah.
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Alex is certainly putting his own dishonest spin on it, but the underlying narrative that
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he's putting forth that this tent city is full of recession refugees comes directly
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from Oprah.
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Now, the bigger piece of this puzzle, this one that we need to address, is that part
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and parcel of how the media was representing the story is that these were white homeless
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people.
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Of all the slideshows of pictures I can find, the images on all the articles about this
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tent city, everything, all of the people featured are white.
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See, it's even happening to us.
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There's literally no way I would believe that this isn't subconsciously or consciously what
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Alex is responding to and why he's covering the story the way he does.
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Absolutely.
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That dichotomy that he's creating about these people and other bad people.
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This guy with the Winnebago and what it would have been if he was an illegal immigrant.
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All of it is because subconsciously, I believe it's consciously on his part, but what he's
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trying to do is subconsciously reinforce that suggestion to his audience that these are
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the whites and now they're being attacked.
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It's all white identity shit that's playing out through this tent city narrative.
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The bigger picture of it is something that, yeah, absolutely, we should be talking about,
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but Kevin Johnson, the mayor, and Schwarzenegger aren't trying to force them into a camp.
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They were making good progress.
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The lady who runs Loaves and Fishes even said that.
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This is very positive, but unfortunately, no one's going to be paying attention to this
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six months from now, so hopefully we can get... It's like putting a Band-Aid on a bigger
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wound kind of metaphor.
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Hopefully this progress will continue to greater progress.
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I don't know.
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I hate Alex.
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It reinforces the argument that we've made about the difference between Obama's tyranny
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and Trump's tyranny being in... Look, Obama is going to do to us what we've done to them.
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That's his white narrative with all of these tent cities.
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Sure.
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Chickens coming home to roost.
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Obama's actually doing this to whites.
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He knows with Trump it's just going to be like, eh, we'll bring the whites out of there,
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throw more black people in there.
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I think the way around that, because that implies agency on Obama's part, and Alex might
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not want to even go that far, just because it's easier to debunk.
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I think his rhetoric would be more along the lines of Obama is allowing this to happen
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to whites.
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The things that he does allows this to happen to whites, whereas with Trump, he has pretty
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good confidence that he's going to protect the white people over all others.
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I think you can trace a very clear line there.
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The argument, the only argument that really is meaningful here, is how much of this is
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Alex intentionally guiding his programming towards that for the sake of riling up and
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fostering white identity beliefs.
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How much of it is just what he believes, and that's how he sees the news, not even realizing
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it.
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I get that.
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That's the only thing that's important, because one is a white nationalist demagogue, white
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supremacist demagogue, and the other is someone who is a white supremacist that is poorly
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interpreting the news.
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I don't think it matters in the end, but it does for us.
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I just don't think that with the way that we're now understanding his upbringing, the
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books that he has read in quotes...
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Skimmed.
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Yeah.
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If he skimmed fucking Watchmen, he skimmed None of Their Collar Conspiracy.
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I know that much.
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There's no way for me to accept anymore that his white supremacy is not at least...
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Somewhat conscious?
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Somewhat conscious.
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Yeah, it's hard.
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There's no way for me to say that it's...
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I can't prove that it's all conscious and purposeful, but I will never believe that
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there is not a consciousness that he is preferring whites.
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Yeah.
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It's nuts, man.
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Even as exposed as I am to him and how deep in the waters I am, I go back and forth on
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it.
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It's day to day.
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Some days it feels like you can't possibly not know what you're doing.
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It's not like Coach Dave.
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With Coach Dave, it was a situation where it's like, you are a huge racist.
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You don't realize the labels that you're talking about.
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You're so stupid.
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You don't...
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Black.
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Yeah.
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It's like you're stupid.
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You are also racist.
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Alex isn't the same thing.
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He's also stupid and racist, but it's a higher order of it.
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There's a higher category that he's in.
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He's playing a game, but it's unclear what the game is.
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I definitely know that whatever game he's playing, it benefits whites more than anybody
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else.
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Is it intentional?
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We don't know.
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Anyway, this whole tent city story is really fascinating to me, and I'm really glad to
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have gotten to dig into it a little bit.
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The element of it being what he's responding to and furthering is the misreporting that
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Oprah did, which is crazy because he fucking hates Oprah.
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He doesn't even realize that he is taking a seed that Oprah planted and help her germinate
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it.
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That's fascinating to me.
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I didn't realize that Oprah was a right-wing propagandist, but now I'm going to be...
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Any time I read O Magazine, I'm going to start looking for more clues.
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That's the thing is I would believe that her intentions and Lisa Ling's intentions were
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good but lazy.
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Maybe it's like, well, fudge a little bit here or be not as thorough as we should be
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because it makes a better story, and at the end of the day, what's the outcome of that
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story?
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Hopefully more people caring about the homeless.
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I could see that conceivably being their rationale or whatever, and I'm positive that after the
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fact that they probably had a retraction or something like that, or at least, hey, sorry,
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we screwed this one up.
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Or it was like they realized that their daytime demographic was super white women, so who
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knows?
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Yeah.
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It's hard to say.
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We have just two more clips here.
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What's going on is Alex has still got to be in his bonnet about the idea of Obama going
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to meet with the queen.
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Now, luckily...
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Why?
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Well, I don't know.
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I really don't know.
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What are people doing?
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I think it's because it's very easy, and he's lazy, but it's also because he has two British
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guys at his disposal, and they're related.
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Steve Watson, Paul Joseph Watson.
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Wait, Steve Watson is related to...
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Who's...
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Oh, boy.
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They're brothers.
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They're brothers?
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You didn't know that?
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No, I don't know.
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The Watson brothers.
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Why?
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Who is Steve Watson?
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He's a guy who also writes for Infowars and is not ready for primetime.
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I swear to God.
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I don't know if I remember that name.
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We've talked about it.
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I'm sure we have, but I do not remember Steve Watson at all.
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He actually started coming on air on Alex's show before Paul Joseph Watson, but he is
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not as good as Paul.
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Paul is much more snarky and has it.
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Is Paul older or younger than Steve?
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Don't know that.
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I don't know.
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I need to know the familial dynamics before I'm willing to accept Steve as even a real
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person.
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I don't know that to be the case.
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I've had...
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Now I remember Steve Watson because I insisted that, perhaps, I speculated that Paul Joseph
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Watson actually was Steve in a mustache.
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Now I get it.
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Yeah, and they're trying to pull double paychecks.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Paul Joseph Watson has tricked Alex into thinking that he's two people.
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I don't know.
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I believe that Steve exists, if only because I think...
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If I recall correctly, someone sent me a picture of Paul and Steve together.
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It looks like an unused Oasis album cover, but anyway, the two of them both come on the
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show and Steve says a bunch of dumb shit about the Queen and also G20 is coming up in the
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UK.
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Of course.
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Gotta get it.
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And so Steve is on first and he says most of the stuff.
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Who's on first?
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That made me feel so good.
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It's terrible.
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It's terrible.
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It's the little thing.
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It's terrible, but it made me feel good, Dan.
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Thank you for indulging me.
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Steve appears first.
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Who appears first?
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He comes in and they do their narratives.
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Obama's going to bow before the Queen, G20 is going to be a mess, and then Paul Joseph
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Watson, when he comes on, he doesn't really have anything to say because Steve said all
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of it.
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It's not really all that interesting, but, wow, Alex has Steve on the line.
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He reads an article from prisonplanet.com about Obama going to meet the Queen and he
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does it in an insulting British accent.
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To his face.
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While a British guy...
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To his face.
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...is on the phone.
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Oh, God.
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Yeah, here's the article.
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Barack Obama's team preparing etiquette and gifts for President meeting with the Queen.
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Top advisors to Obama are rehearsing the etiquette and debating what gifts President will give
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to Queen Elizabeth when he meets the British monarch in London.
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The gifts have been selected with extra care.
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Protocol lessons on royal etiquette are being delivered.
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And a week's wardrobe of casual and formal attire.
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I know that this isn't a British accent, but Alex thinks it is.
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No, no, no, no.
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It's an article on his own website, right?
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You bet.
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Written by...
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Probably Paul.
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Probably Paul.
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Probably.
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Maybe Steve, though, too.
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So he's reading the article in a very condescending British accent...
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It's rude.
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...to most likely the person who wrote that article.
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It's rude and the dynamics are weird.
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That is weird.
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There is no doubt about it.
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That's fucked up.
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And I love that you were sitting there trying to, you know, correct his pronunciation of
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etiquette.
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What you didn't realize or failed to recognize in the moment is the pronunciation of that
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word is Alex's way into the impression.
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Etiquette.
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Oh, that's right.
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Etiquette was how he launched into the word.
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That's right.
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You could hear him mispronouncing that.
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I miss it.
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I miss it.
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And the sort of toe-pipping.
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That's his dip of the toe into the impression.
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Etiquette.
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Yeah.
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That's a side for the first lady who is an international-style icon.
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President Obama and his wife Michelle head to London on Tuesday to start their first
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overseas tour in office, accompanied by an entourage of several hundred aides, advisors,
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secret service agents, and bodyguards, and an imported cavalcade of armored vehicles
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and helicopters.
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A visit to Buckingham Palace on Wednesday afternoon is the form of sharepiece of a packed
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work schedule.
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Oh, I know why he's reading it in a different accent, because it's fucking boring.
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There isn't anything even about this.
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This is actually news.
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I mean, that's a great point.
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He's just actually reading what is real news, just like, hey, yeah.
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And nothing in it is scandalous at all.
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No.
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Yeah, I think there is a chance that that is why you put on the voice, in order to create
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the appearance of something where there is nothing.
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Really, all he's saying is, like, Obama is preparing to go to England.
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Obama is doing due diligence.
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He's going to go to England, and then he's going to meet with the queen.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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Scandal.
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Noun and scream.
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Sounds glorious, doesn't it?
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No, we all have fun doing voices.
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Hey, Steve, you want to do your Texas voice?
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You do that pretty good.
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Get off my land, boys.
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My land.
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Go ahead and do one for us.
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I can't do that now.
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Yes, you can.
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Do it.
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Do it now.
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You're where the cowboy had to do it.
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As soon as, like, an Elmer Fudd cartoon, you're going to put some hats on each.
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I don't have any character to do that.
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Imagine the cowboy hats now on your head.
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Take us out.
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You're on the spot.
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The curtain parts.
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The spotlight's on.
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Steve Watson.
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Get off my land, boy.
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Gotta have some fun.
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You do.
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You do gotta have some fun.
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Again, appropriate that he was playing Wipeout.
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That is the most insulting thing, I think.
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That's the most insulting childish 30 seconds I think we've heard on this show.
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It's pretty rough.
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But you also kind of get the sense that, like, they don't like him.
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Steve Watson does not like Alex.
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No.
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That response.
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The sigh.
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I can't do that right now.
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No.
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Yeah.
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It's pretty great.
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Do it.
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Do it.
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Do it.
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Do it.
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Do it.
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Do it.
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You can have the hat on.
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Do it.
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Do it.
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So Steve comes in.
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They do their little piece of business.
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And then Paul Joseph Watson comes in.
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And like I'm saying, he just basically says the exact same things.
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More or less, his argument is that there's going to be protests at G20, but the protests
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are actually the globalists secretly controlling these black bloc groups and these anarchists
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and these people protesting in order to invalidate real criticisms of the globalists and stuff
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like that.
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That's tortured logic.
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It is.
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But the only clip that I have is Paul Joseph Watson using our favorite catchphrase.
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And it's coming from the very top.
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They're saying it's going to be a summer of rage.
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The summer of rage.
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Come on, baby.
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So I'm now going to cut out every time someone says summer of rage, and by that I mean by
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next week I will have forgotten that I am going to do that, but I mean to.
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So it's a summer of rage coming.
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Alex has a great British impression that is not at all British.
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He has white nationalist perspectives on the tent city, or at least white supremacists,
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certainly.
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Marty's got multiple limericks.
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Ooh, Marty.
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Oh, Marty.
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And Alex wants to exploit homeless people for his documentary.
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Which is cool.
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Which is great.
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Dan, I actually just called Marty recently.
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He might be dead.
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He sounds real old.
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Also I am a medium, so were he to be dead, I did contact him.
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And he wanted to share a limerick with you.
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Would you like to read it?
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Or would you like me to read it?
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I think you should read it.
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You think I should read it?
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This isn't an improv scene, you're not going to pimp me into that.
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Alex thought he was free and clear, so excited he cracked a beer, Schachter came back with
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a limerick attack, and Alex for once felt true fear.
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That's better than anything that Marty's done.
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It's a lot better than our previous attempt at a limerick.
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I think so.
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Yeah.
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I don't like limericks as an art form, I think it's a...
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Why did you call it an art form?
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I mean, it's a poem, it's a type of poem.
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Is it?
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Is it?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Anyway, that brings us to the end of our 2009 adventure here.
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I think there's been some interesting stuff, interesting developments.
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I don't know what they signal, and I'm very interested to see what comes of the proceeding.
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Like I'm excited to be in April.
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Oh, also, I looked into it.
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This film that he keeps talking about, it has to be Fall of the Republic.
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It's one of his documentaries that he made.
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It is a torturous two and a half hour plus runtime.
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Two and a half hours plus?
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He's saying that he's going to put it out on the 4th of July.
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He doesn't.
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Of course not.
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It doesn't come out until later in the year.
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Well, because he's terrible at editing, apparently.
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But I think I now have to watch that documentary.
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Now you don't.
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I want to see if the tent city's in there.
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I want to see if they got this guy as Winnebago.
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You could skim it.
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Yeah, I could skim it.
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I do want to see if he got this guy.
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Maybe you should just Google, is there a Winnebago in this documentary?
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I can't imagine that having results.
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I bet there's results.
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There's a whole Reddit forum on it.
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We'll see.
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I may watch that documentary.
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I might get really drunk and watch it.
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That's the best way to do it.
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That might make it tolerable.
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Best way to do it.
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We will see.
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But until we come back with our next episode, we have a website for you all to check out.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's Knowledge Underscore Fight.
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Indeed.
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We are on the Facebook.
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That's correct.
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We also have a group on there called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
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So much fun over there.
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We're at the places you could just find where podcasts are.
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We're on some other places.
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We're on places where podcasts are.
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But not Stitcher.
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Uh-uh.
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Anyway, you know what, Marty Schachter, you might have bored someone to death with a limerick.
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I bet he's choked a man to death with 150 bars of soap.
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This guy was a user.
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They fell on him.
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Alright, fine.
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He's never killed anybody.
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Wait, maybe he has.
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Are you Googling whether or not Schachter has killed somebody?
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I have Googled it.
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He has not killed anybody.
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He's not killed anybody.
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So, Marty Schachter never killed anybody.
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But one guy who technically probably has a little gentleman by the name of Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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