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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan. Dan?
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Yes sir.
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Can you name three cities in Australia?
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Yeah.
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Perth.
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Yep.
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Uh, Queensland.
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Okay.
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Oh, is that a...
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Is that...
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That might be...
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Uh...
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Uh...
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Uh, yeah, New South Wales.
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No, that's a good time.
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Okay.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Perth, Melbourne, and Adelaide.
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Melbourne.
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Yeah, whatever, I'm an American.
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Sorry.
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Yeah, why, what do you ask, you ever been?
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I don't know, I've never been to Australia, I was thinking about, uh, I kinda like to go now.
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Yeah, I hear it's lovely, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Cool.
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It's cold.
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Yeah, shout out.
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Anyways, I thought it would just be a fun little thing to see whether or not you can name three of them.
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Shout out to our Australian listeners and sorry that I've mixed up territories with cities, perhaps.
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I'm not entirely sure, that's my American coming out.
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Also, sorry about the political situation in, uh, your country, which I can actually, uh, pretty calmly say to every one of our listeners.
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Mhm.
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Sorry about that.
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Sorry.
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Sucks.
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But something I refuse to apologize for is how great I feel about our new donors.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who have joined up and, uh, supported the show.
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They're very excited to say welcome aboard and thank you so much, Chris L. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so very much.
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Chris, thank you so much.
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Uh, and then, you know, got a, got a very exciting thing here.
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Someone has taken their donation and bumped it up.
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What?
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And now we have a new raptor princess.
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What?
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Give a shout out to.
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Oh shit.
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This is something very exciting and very special and I'd like to say.
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Okay, then I'm going to go to the bathroom and when I get back I assume.
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It'll be about done.
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Yeah.
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Uh, thank you so much.
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From the bottom of our hearts, uh, Jonathan M. You are now a raptor princess.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little kitty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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I know how to read.
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I am out of control.
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I've never really seen a lot of white racism in my life.
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I really haven't.
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I bet you money there are few living black people that have been abused by white people
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as much as I have been abused by black people.
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Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin.
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Both those guys were complete badasses.
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Complete studs.
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Welcome to McDonald's.
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May I help you?
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I'm Bernie Sanders.
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Thank you so much, Jonathan.
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Thank you so much, Jonathan.
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If you out there would like to support the show and what we do, you can do that by going
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to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that support the show button.
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We would appreciate it oh so much.
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It'd be nice.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because quite frankly, a niche boutique podcast about Alex Jones probably is not going to
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get commerce on our side.
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I mean, with the things that we talk about and the things that we say, I assume that
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all capitalist enterprises want to be a part of this.
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I feel like it would be hard to micro-target ads at our audience in any way.
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But be that as it may, it is what it is.
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We appreciate everybody oh so very much.
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Now, Jordan, today we are going back to the past.
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We are starting the week off in 2009, back on track in the investigation.
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Yes.
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And we know for a fact that the Soros mystery will not be solved any time soon.
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No, probably not for a year or two.
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Probably.
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So we got a long way to go.
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If you want to check out and come back and see what we're doing in the middle of 2019,
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maybe we'll have an answer for you.
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Yeah, still download the episode, but you don't need to listen to it.
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Wait until we're at a...
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But think about how much context there will be for the reveal when it finally does happen.
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Oh, it'll be amazing.
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Yeah, it'll be like the end of Dune.
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You've made it all the way through.
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I guess.
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I've never read Dune.
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Wait, what does that mean?
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It's just a big book, right?
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Isn't it pretty big?
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I remember when I was a kid being overwhelmed by the size of it.
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I'm like, I'll go infinite jest.
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No, it's a big book.
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I just wasn't sure.
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Wait, do you mean there's a sense of accomplishment or there's a context there?
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If you just read the last page, it's not going to be that great.
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But if you've read all of it, the last page is probably awesome.
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The last page actually is pretty great.
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I consider Infinite Jest and Dune to be two examples of books that most people haven't
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made it through.
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That just seems to me as sort of stereotypical examples.
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So that's why I used it and because you love Dune.
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Do you need to read the end of Infinite Jest?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I think I kind of, I'm just, I don't want to be mean.
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I think I kind of got it.
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Sure.
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Like once he gets to the list of movies that the dude has been in, it's like, alright dude,
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I got you.
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Fair.
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So we're in 2009.
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We're going over March 13th, 2009 today.
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And this is a big old day in Alex Jones' history.
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We're doing one day in 2009.
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We are.
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We've always done like two or three days.
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We tried to, but I know I mentioned last week that this episode was kind of difficult for
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me because he brings up a number of things that led me down roads of research.
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So I didn't want to take too many, too much content lest we end up in a discussion about
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something and we end up with a six hour episode on our hands.
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Yeah.
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So one day will suffice because there's a lot of meat to get into.
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And then on top of that, there's something you need to know.
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Boy, I tell you, things are crazy around here.
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Chuck Norris told me he'd come on the show any time that he'd been listening for many
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years.
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First time I had him on late last year.
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And I just hadn't thought to call him or email him since he was on with us.
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And then I got blindsided with this big announcement that he might run for the president of Texas
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and that both parties are controlled by elite groups and that the IRS is a fraud.
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And when I heard Glenn Beck was involved, that's just one of the hosts that's involved.
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You know, I don't have a very high view of Beck because he said Ron Paul supporters need
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to have the army used against him and are terrorists and now he's backed off of that.
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But he mixes a lot of propaganda in what he does.
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So I was at the end of the show and Chuck Norris confirmed that Chuck Norris had said
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these things, was having this big simulcast today at five o'clock Eastern.
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I should have had him at the bottom of it.
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So I went in and emailed Chuck and I left at about six.
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Boom.
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He emailed right back.
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We missed the email saying, yeah, I'd love to come on tomorrow at one o'clock.
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Is good for me?
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Is that good for you?
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Hi, Alex.
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I'm not busy.
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So this leads to about a two minute Alex on air meeting where he's talking to his staff
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about how like we really got to get these emails together.
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I understand.
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I left at six yesterday.
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He emailed back at six oh two.
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I could have goddamn Chuck Norris on my show right now.
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If one of you motherfuckers had answered that email, I'm furious about it cause I'm in limbo
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right now.
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I tried to write him back this morning, but I haven't heard back.
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I'm on air now.
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What am I going to do that now?
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Come on man.
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Come on man.
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If you leave your work at the office, I get it.
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It's six oh two.
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Let me tell you something.
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You don't check those emails after work.
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When I was an accountant.
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Yes.
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But if I was trying to book Chuck Norris, no, I'm checking my work email if Chuck Norris
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is going to hit me up and be like, I'm going to come roundhouse, kick some information
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at you.
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I don't know.
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I just want to, I feel like Chuck already was the president of Texas as like a metaphorical
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concept.
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That's not a, that's not a real thing.
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But he did want to wear a jet pack in an episode of Walker, Texas.
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That's true.
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So he is my president.
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I also, I will say spoiler alert.
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Chuck Norris does show up on this show on this episode and it's great.
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But one thing that pisses me off so much is that Alex doesn't play the Walker, Texas Ranger
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theme to play him onto the show because it would be perfect for him.
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That's rude.
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When the eyes of the ranger are upon you, any wrong you do, he's gonna see.
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Play the theme song from Sidekicks.
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When you're in Texas, look behind you.
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That's my jam right there.
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River Phoenix?
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That's where the ranger's gonna be.
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When you're in Texas, look behind you.
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I love that theme song.
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Back when me and Nikki gifts lived together back in Missouri, he was going through a bit
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of a Walker, Texas ranger phase.
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I reject those words entirely.
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You ended up watching a Walker, Texas ranger phase?
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There's a lot of value in that show, man.
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There's a lot of really, yeah.
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It's up there with Matlock, MacGyver.
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I think in terms of those shows, you can just watch all of them and they're all the same.
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They're all awesome.
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Anyway, Chuck Norris is gonna show up a little bit later.
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Wasn't that show just essentially kung fu, but if it was a Texas ranger?
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Right, yeah.
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And he's behind you.
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Oh, he's behind you?
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Always.
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He doesn't make me feel comfortable.
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If you're in Texas, turn around.
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He's behind you.
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Hey, Jordan.
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Hold on.
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There's the president of Texas behind me.
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We gotta run.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Anyway, the reason that Alex wanted to have Chuck Norris on is that he's caught wind of
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the fact that he is going to do a episode of Glenn Beck.
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And there's-
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Oh, he's gotta scoop him.
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There's talk that Norris is going to make a big announcement on this Glenn Beck episode.
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And so of course, you're absolutely right.
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He just wants to scoop Glenn Beck.
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Yeah, of course.
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He's petty and mad about this.
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So he has not talked to Chuck Norris at all for like six months.
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Conceivably since the last time he mentions in that clip there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then all the blue, he gets an email from Chuck or he emails Chuck.
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He reached out to Chuck.
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So he finds out that Chuck is gonna be on Glenn Beck's show and he's shooting out an
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email ASAP.
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Oh, yeah.
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And then he gets a response two minutes later, but he misses the response.
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So now he's panicking on air like, Beck is going to take this one from me.
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What am I going to do?
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But little does he realize there's a decent chance that he's already taped that appearance
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on Glenn Beck.
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Of course.
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Because I don't think it's live to air.
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Glenn Beck is always live.
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And let me just put the pin in this.
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There is no scoop.
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Alex thinks it's something like he's going to announce he's running for president of
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Texas.
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Texas should secede.
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Something like that.
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Because that's what really bad presumptive media has started throwing around.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A lot of the blogs that Alex gets his information from have been like, is Chuck Norris going
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to be the one who brings us back?
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That sort of thing.
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He's going to be the one who brings us back some Bowflexes.
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Certainly.
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So Alex wants the scoop really badly.
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Here's a clip of him just really expressing how like, I need to get him on before he talks
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to Glenn Beck.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So we'll see if Chuck Norris is going to be on the show today.
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I mean, they said, yes, we'll come on.
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Yes, is this time?
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Good.
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But they're so busy.
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Who knows with two hours notice if that will happen, because obviously I can have him on
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next week.
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He's not busy, dude.
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I can have him on this Sunday, but I want him on ahead of this simulcast today.
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Because he's talking about very, very exciting, very, very dynamic, extremely interesting
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things right now.
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That's where these blogs are.
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And you know, Chuck Norris is probably going around and making Chuck Norris fact jokes.
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I think he's doing a lot of that.
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I think in 2009, he's doing a lot of leaning into that.
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No, no, no, no.
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Isn't he legally prohibited from making those jokes?
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Is this a Chuck Norris fact?
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I seem to recall around this time, a big part of his PR strategy was really embracing those
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jokes.
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Yeah.
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It's a fun little meme.
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That's nice.
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Chuck Norris does things.
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Congratulations, everybody.
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We did it.
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Yeah.
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In this next clip, we get back to one of the narratives that's been really robust in this
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March 2009 period of time, and that of course is the MIAC document, the document about the
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modern militia movement.
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Oh, those white supremacists.
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They're great, not bad.
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The one that Alex misunderstands much like a junior high student who has not come to
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class might, and he lies more about it in this next clip.
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Two days ago, we broke the news and published the full document with phone numbers to the
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Missouri State Police with a standard, it was just an update, standard material that
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the fusion centers, the feds have set up to brainwash the police and military are receiving
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at all the states.
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And they're moving the military into the same buildings with the state police, local police
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in every regional area, four to five county areas and in all the big cities.
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Are they also renovating?
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And then about 12 hours later, the next morning, because we called that afternoon and they
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said that the captains and sergeants and lieutenants and colonels were out calling the state police
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in Missouri.
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We did call them that day.
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We did talk to them yesterday morning and we put out on air that phone numbers, additional
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phone numbers and the names of the state police at the Office of Intelligence with the Missouri
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State Highway Patrol and the governor's office that put this out.
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So I mean, we gave you the names and they wouldn't come on air and we said, call them.
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People have been calling them and I see them passing boards.
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Yeah, I talked to Captain Hall and I talked to Captain Holtz and we talked to them and
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they confirmed they put this out.
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So the disinfo operatives are all over the web posting this saying, I'm a liar, it's
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not real.
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Alex is missing the point.
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It is real, but what it says isn't what he says.
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He's making that elementary logical fallacy that he makes about the idea that, just to
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drive it home again, the idea of this document saying that people who are in terrorist leaning
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militias often are supporters of Ron Paul does not mean if you are a Ron Paul supporter,
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you are suspicious to me of being in one of these groups.
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Right.
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I mean, it does now.
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He believes that those two statements are equivalent and that's how he's reporting this.
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That's the part that he thinks disinfo agents are saying, you're wrong about this.
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And instead what he's choosing to respond to is as if what they're saying is this isn't
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real.
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No, it is.
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I've called them.
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It is real.
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He's just lying about what it is.
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So it makes the next clip all the more funny when we realize that there's that lie in place.
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I can't handle it sometimes that people say we exaggerate when nine times out of 10, it's
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the other way around.
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No, we lie about it.
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Yeah, about 10% of the time we end up overestimating what's happening with something.
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But most of the time, I mean, probably more than 90%, it's far worse than we say.
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No.
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It's far worse than we say.
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How could it be?
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He's holding restraint, Dan.
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He is keeping himself under control for your benefit, otherwise he could cause a mass panic.
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What if there were a billion people on the border, Dan?
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His narratives right now, like in 2009, involve a shadowy group of all powerful, super rich
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individuals that are all working together and their plan is any day now, they're going
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to collapse the dollar so you can't buy food.
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And when civil unrest breaks out, they have camps built everywhere to put people in forcefully.
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Anybody who talks up, they're going to put them in the camps.
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And at that point, once they have mollified the population, they will release bioweapons
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to kill 80% of the population, at which point I guess the rest of the people who survive
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will be feudal serfs to these globalists who have armored redoubts.
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And then I guess kill the rest of them.
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I don't know.
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But how could he not be like that?
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At least they're not punching us all in the dick.
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He's trying to say here, like, that's what he talks about 90% of the time.
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So 90% of the time, it's worse than he said.
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It's worse than that.
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It is worse than that.
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At least they're not punching everybody in the dick.
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That's actually part of the FEMA camp welcome committee.
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Oh, well then fuck it can't get worse than that.
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All the people, FEMA, all the federal emergency management agents around, they take you to
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the camp and on your way in the door, one good one.
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They just give you one good one right in the nuts.
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That's just adding insult to injury.
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But it's because they hate masculinity.
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Oh, well then I guess it's fine.
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Sure.
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So that's foolish and silly.
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But in this next clip, we get to sort of the beginning of one of the bits of meat that
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he's going to be talking about here in the show.
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And this is actually super complicated, and I hope that I'm able to adequately break this
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down, but I'll also probably need to stress that you should ask questions if you're confused.
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Because this is a bit complicated.
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Anyway, here's the first clip of Alex talking about a secret group that are globalists.
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The Bush family, the Harrimans, the JP Morgans and others, on record, loved Hitler.
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I mean, right before he got elected, they loved him.
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And the reason they loved him was, the Milner group, the most powerful group out of the
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Bank of England that runs our Federal Reserve, they are, look, they're smart.
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I mean, these people are geniuses.
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That's why they're in control, but they're evil.
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They're evil geniuses.
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Well, that's no good.
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What are we doing today, Pinky?
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The same thing we do every day, conquer the world.
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So you don't need to ask...
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They're not even trying anymore.
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They're just doing it.
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You don't need to ask any questions about Pinky and the Brain.
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How can you...
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His impressions are still bad back then, which is good to note.
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If you don't say, try to conquer the world, how can you do it every day?
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How can you conquer the world anew every day?
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Well, there's a new world to conquer every time you wake up, sir.
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Oh, but that seems like it would get boring.
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Like, wouldn't you...
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Eventually, you'd have to be like, uh, we're going to conquer the world again?
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See, you see it as boring.
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I see it as like something you'd see on a motivational poster.
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Every new day brings a new world to conquer.
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It's a new age-y aphorism.
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Conquer the world, baby.
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So in the middle of this episode here, Alex is launching into an impromptu history lesson,
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which offers us a rare chance to gain context clues as to where he's getting his information
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from.
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In this case, because he mentions the Milner group in that clip that we just played, there
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can be literally no doubt where he's getting his information from, because there's only
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one source.
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Part of this is because most scholars, many of them, don't believe that the Milner group,
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conceived of as a formal body, actually ever existed.
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Or if it's just a name that's been given to a group of like-minded friends who would meet
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and work together in the British establishment in the early 1900s.
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All of the information about the Milner group and the name itself comes from two books by
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Carol Quigley, The Anglo-American Establishment and Tragedy and Hope.
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In the books, Professor Quigley lays out what he's researched about these groups that operated
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behind the scenes, and he's concluded that groups like the Round Table Group, the Society
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of the Elect, and the Association of Helpers were all in fact elements of the same group
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which he's titled the Milner group.
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I assume the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was in there as well?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, okay.
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Quatermain?
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Yep.
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Gotta have Quatermain in there.
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He's actually going to be more relevant than you think.
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Isn't Sean Connery just Sean Connery in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?
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Yeah, he wasn't trying too hard.
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He didn't have a character, right?
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He was just Sean Connery playing himself.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I famously fell asleep in that movie.
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Oh, did you?
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Yep.
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Everyone knows it.
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I famously fell asleep.
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You know what happened there?
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It was on Hollywood Reporter.
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You know what happened there?
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I thought I had a story about falling asleep in that movie.
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But no, you just fell asleep during that movie.
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Completely.
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Very boring story.
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So the Milner group is named after Alfred Milner, who's alleged to have started the
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group with Cecil Rhodes in 1891.
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The story presented in Quigley's work is an interesting one, but from what I can tell,
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it's something that lacks backing support from a lot of other scholarship.
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Milner himself offers this statement in his introduction to the Anglo-American establishment.
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Quote, naturally it's not possible for an outsider to write about a secret group without
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falling into errors.
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There are undoubtedly errors in what follows.
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I feel also that there are a few misstatements of facts, except in one most difficult matter.
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Okay.
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He does say there are few misstatements of facts, so he's trying to say they're only
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a couple.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Except in one most difficult matter.
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The difficulty arises from the problem of knowing just who is and who is not a member
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of the group, since membership may not be a formal matter, but based rather on frequent
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social association, and since the frequency of such association varies from time to time
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and from person to person.
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It's not always easy to say who's in the group and who is not.
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That's a big caveat.
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It is.
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It's a pretty big caveat.
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It's almost like you don't know who's in the group.
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I got the broad strokes of it and some major players who were definitely behind the scenes
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and in front of the scenes, deeply involved in British foreign policy, colonialism in
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the early 1900s, 100 percent, but then a lot of the conclusions that can be jumped to are
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based on assumptions of who is or is not an associate of these groups, or if these groups
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are even, in essence, a unified front, or if there's just like, oh, this one group is
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they do X, this other group does Y, but sometimes their goals align a little bit and it may
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appear that they're working together when in fact they are discrete separate groups.
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There's a difficulty about this, but for most of I haven't read all of this book because
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it's long, but I've read a bunch of it and from what I can tell, it reads like a scholarly
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book, and it doesn't seem like he's making too many leaps from what I've read.
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A lot of it seems plausible.
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I just don't like any book that opens with a preemptive, sure, I didn't tell the truth
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there, but that's because you can't know the truth.
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Sure, it is tough, and it is couched in a like, how could I possibly tell the truth
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to all of this?
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I tried, and so there's a little bit of meh about that, but now interestingly, Alex Jones
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almost certainly never read either of these books because they don't say what Alex says
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they do.
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What?
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The other thing that's probably the same thing as Alex is The Naked Capitalist, a 1970 book
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by your buddy W. Cleon Skousen.
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Love him.
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Which is little more than an attempt to distort Quigley's text to assert things he never said.
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Quigley has said of Skousen's book, quote, Skousen's book is full of misrepresentations
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and factual errors.
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He claims that I've written of a conspiracy of the super rich who are pro-communist and
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wish to take over the world and that I'm a member of this group.
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He goes on to say that that's not the case.
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He jumped, he jumped into the whole like, he obviously he was lying about it because
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how else could he know this information were he not a member of this group?
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Well, and one of the big pieces of Carol Quigley's worldview is he's describing these groups
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and that they, they had the influence that they had at the time that they had it.
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But that influence had largely deteriorated by the 1940s.
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And Carol Quigley, his work when it's being used by Skousen, he says that no, they never
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stopped and they didn't just have some influence, they had all of the influence.
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And so in order to make that make sense, W. Cleon Skousen in The Naked Capitalist argues
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that Carol Quigley is a part of these groups and this partial revelation is hiding the
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real truth, which is what Cleon Skousen would put into the world and what Alex Jones pretends
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is what is in Quigley's book when it's not.
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So it's almost like Skousen is saying that the East India Tea Company is actually still
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in operation and has been running all tea this entire time.
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You could, yeah.
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That's essentially what he's saying.
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It's fairly similar.
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So Quigley's Tragedy and Hope only had a printing of about 8,000 copies, mostly because it's
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a dense as shit 1,300-page book that no publisher would expect to move copies of.
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Enter W. Cleon Skousen, who selectively quoted about 30 pages worth of random snippets, added
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in about 90 extra pages of anti-communist propaganda and conjecture, and now you have
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a book with market appeal.
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He claimed a year after printing that he sold over 55,000 copies and he was being distributed
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through the Liberty Lobby.
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If you don't recall, the Liberty Lobby was the anti-Semitic outlet founded by outright
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segregationist Holocaust denier and likely Nazi admirer Willis Carto.
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Carto helped found the Populist Party, who fielded David Duke as their presidential nominee
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in 1988.
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Through the Liberty Lobby, Carto published The Spotlight, which was literally created
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specifically for the purpose of, quote, mobilizing the public opinion against Jews.
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He sought to use his publication to fan the flames of anti-government groups and nativists
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in order that they come together against their real enemy, in quotes.
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Jews.
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Right.
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He also wrote communism, the United Nations, internationalism, and the moral decline accompanying
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liberalism.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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Which are all things that he believes are essentially a Jew-backed conspiracy.
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Gotcha.
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Gotcha.
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So you start to see a little bit of a picture here.
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In essence, Alex Jones has molded his life around the absolute misrepresentation of Carol
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Quigley's work, which was published to demonize communists and bankers, in quotes, and it
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was published, produced, and promoted by Holocaust deniers who made their life's work demonizing
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Jews.
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Yeah.
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So you are going to move more copies if you call it Harry Potter and the Milner Group.
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That is going to happen.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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But you see that Alex is getting this from W. Cleon Skousen.
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Yeah, of course.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But he never says that he is.
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He always says that he's getting it from white papers or Cite's Tragedy and Hope or the
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Anglo-American establishment.
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He never says, oh, I got this from notorious anti-communist propagandist who's aligned
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with the Liberty Lobby, W. Cleon Skousen.
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And it's not...
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Those are the whitest papers you can get, though.
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Sure.
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They are very white.
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And the fucked up thing is it's not because W. Cleon Skousen would be a name that would
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be like verboten on Alex's show.
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His nephew, Joel Skousen, is on regularly.
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Yeah.
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He's a regular guest.
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So it's not like this would be some taboo.
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I think Alex on some level knows that there's more credibility to Carol Quigley than Cleon
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Skousen.
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Absolutely.
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He tries to present the angle that Skousen presented as the original angle of Quigley.
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And that's a fucking mess.
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Right.
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He's doing a second degree lie.
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He's taken a liar's lies about somebody who researched something that is unknowable and
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lying about those still further.
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Sure.
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So now one of the other things, too, is that the issue of the Milner Group appeasing Hitler
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early on, you bet they did.
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Yeah.
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I think everybody did.
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If they existed, they absolutely did.
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But they and Quigley consider that to be a crucial error and regretted it terribly.
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So I think most people did that were in that in that boat.
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I mean, at a certain point, you see one Holocaust and you think this might have been a bad idea.
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So you think only one Holocaust would be necessary?
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I think now we're in the kind of like two to four Holocaust minimum for people to change
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their minds.
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But you do see glimmers of what Alex is getting misrepresented to him by Kleon Skousen if
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you look at the text of the Anglo-American establishment.
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Here, I'll read you a little passage.
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Quote, and by this date, which is March 1936, when Hitler refortified the Rhineland and
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thus broke several treaties and caused the rest of the world to be like, uh-oh, certain
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members of the Milner Group and of the British Conservative government had reached the fantastic
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idea that they could kill two birds with one stone by setting Germany and Russia against
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one another in Eastern Europe.
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In this way, they felt that the two enemies would stalemate one another or that Germany
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would become satisfied with the oil of Romania and the wheat of Ukraine.
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It never occurred to anyone in a responsible position that Germany and Russia might make
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a common cause, even temporarily, against the West.
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Even less did it occur to them that Russia might beat Germany and thus open all Central
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Europe to Bolshevism.
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So from Carol Quigley, who has looked at their documents and has friends among the people
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that he's writing about and people who are in these groups, he has as much access as
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anybody has had to the folks that he's writing about here.
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He is asserting that this was an oopsie-daisy.
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You hate to say that about World War II, but it was a dumb idea that they had.
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The basic point is they chose the single worst strategy that you possibly could have.
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Until it was too late.
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Right.
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And then they were like, ugh, bad idea.
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They had a distorted and short-sighted and foolish view of foreign policy and that sort
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of strategy.
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But you can also kind of...
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The British in the early 1930s had a distorted view of what the world was capable of?
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Crazy.
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But also from that part of the Anglo-American establishment, I mean, it goes into great
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detail about how there's obviously treaty issues with Britain and France, like having
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to back France up, but France has Eastern European allies that Britain doesn't care
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about.
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Right.
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So trying to find some sort of a balance of a way that you could not have all-out world
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war would be preferable.
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Yeah.
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You would...
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Until there's that Holocaust thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then you kind of got to be like, ugh.
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So one of the other things that I think we can't talk about this without getting into
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a little bit is...
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So this Milner group, supposedly the main forces behind it were Alfred Milner and Cecil
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Rhodes.
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And his cousin Derek Win Milner.
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No.
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Do you know how Rhodesia got its name?
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I don't want to know how Rhodesia got its name.
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It's named after Cecil Rhodes.
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That's not the way I wanted that to go.
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These are bad dudes.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Okay.
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All this saying that Alex is lying about all this isn't in any way to lionize these people
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or to say that like, oh, they're great.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah.
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They were deeply involved in the colonization of Africa and did horrible things.
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Great.
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So here is the next clip from Alex's discussion of Hitler, of vis-à-vis the Milner group.
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And he says something else in this next clip that leads me to know where he's getting this
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sort of shit from.
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We're going to run the fake communist revolution in Russia so the people think it's going to
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be a worker's paradise.
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We'll kill the royal cousins there, take over, so we can run all that.
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But then that'll be a big threat with the engine of Russia.
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So in the great game, as they call it, of balkanization, divide and conquer, we'll then
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play a fascist or right-wing movement off against Russia using the old empire.
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Because if we don't, the socialists and communists will take over Germany and our own revolution
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will get too big for us.
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And we don't want all of Europe, Western Europe falling.
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We just want Eastern Europe to have an extermination program.
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And so they created Hitler.
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So this- How did they create him?
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Like with Clay?
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Like what are we talking about?
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He's like a golem.
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Which would be very ironic.
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That would be.
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That would be too much.
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I don't know.
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I think Alex is taking the real pieces that do exist in the world about Hitler and him
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being supported by industrialists and foreign folk for a while.
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You know, because the New York Times called him silly and hoped he would become more serious
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when the party got in power and stuff like that.
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It's wonderful that the New York Times has never made that mistake again.
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Right, right.
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So there are a ton of people who appeased Hitler in ways that we can't really understand
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now or it's difficult to understand now.
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And Alex is taking those things to mean that they created Hitler.
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And that's absurd.
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But I know where he's getting this from too.
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In 1971, Gary Allen's None Dare Call It Conspiracy came out.
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And once again, this is another book that heavily cribbed from and misrepresented Carole
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Quigley's work.
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Quigley didn't care much for None Dare Call It Conspiracy either, saying, quote, they
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thought Dr. Carole Quigley proved everything.
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For example, they constantly misquote me to this effect, that Lord Milner, the dominant
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trustee of the Cecil Rhodes Trust and heavy in the round table group, helped finance the
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Bolsheviks.
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I've been through the greater part of Milner's private papers and have found no evidence
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to support that.
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So the idea that Alex is suggesting about they created this Bolshevik thing in Russia
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and fascist thing in Germany is what was reflected in that bit that I read you from his book,
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The Anglo-American Establishment, just that they had hoped to come up with some balance
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of power with Germany in the middle of Europe and Russia over to the east and hope everything
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worked out.
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That does not mean that they created a Bolshevik revolution or they created Hitler.
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Alex is taking this from these bastardized sources of the original material.
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That's because Milner was the fall guy, Dan.
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Yeah.
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Do you know who was funding them?
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Probably the Rothschilds.
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Soros!
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Oh, it could be Soros, yes.
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It could be time-traveling Soros.
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Time-traveling Soros!
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When did Sherlock a game of shadows come up?
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When you're in the time stream, look behind you.
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Because that's where Soros is going to be.
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That is probably where he is, in the time stream.
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Now I need a clip of Soros with a jetpack.
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Recording on Sunday, that means a new Doctor Who's coming out tonight, Dan!
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Oh boy.
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So in a March 23, 1975 article in the Washington Post, quote, as copies began to spread across
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the country of Nundare-Caulick conspiracy, Quigley began to grasp what the selective
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unauthorized quotation from his work could mean.
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The approach to history taken by the authors of Nundare-Caulick conspiracy offended Quigley's
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scholastic sensibilities.
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I.E.
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Lying and distorting.
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Right.
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Worse, he found that he could not fight back against the misinformation he felt was being
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disseminated with the aid of his research and his name.
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Quote, it blackened my reputation, Quigley said, amongst scholarly historians who are
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going to say, oh, he's one of those right-wing nuts.
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So basically he had the stink of these weirdos on him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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And you kind of feel for the guy, you know, because there's not much he can do.
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And when he...
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Well, his response book was 800 more pages long.
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Of course you're not going to win this one.
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Oh, and that's, that's, that's largely the problem too, is that like...
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Real research takes time and information to lay out.
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It's not that interesting to read.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Usually.
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But what you can do is just make wild unsubstantiated claims with a couple of sentences and then
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just say, and that's probably what it said, and then move on and people will eat that
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shit up.
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And the other...
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Soundbites, baby.
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Give me, give me a book filled with tweets.
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The other real tragedy for Quigley too was that like, uh, you know, his original book
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had 8,000 copies because it was, again, a 1300 page scholarly book that no one expected
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to sell.
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Then you've got fucking Cleon Skousen coming out, selling 55,000 of it in a year, making
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all that money or the Liberty Lobby making a bunch of that money because it's unauthorized
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quotation of his work.
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Then by the same token, you now have, uh, Gary Allen coming out with none dare call
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it conspiracy, but then you have that he sold millions of copies of that.
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And none of that movie, uh, money is not a movie, none of that money is going to Quigley.
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He's getting fucked on all ends.
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That sucks.
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Yeah.
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We should option, uh, his book for a movie.
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I think that's a good idea.
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We'll give him some...
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That's a long ass movie.
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No, it's, it's, you liked, uh, uh, what was the one?
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Cloud Atlas?
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Cloud Atlas.
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Yeah.
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See, there we go.
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Fuck you.
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Um, so we could get Ken Burns to direct me.
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So in this next clip, it's the last one.
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And then this fucking lunatic shows up.
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This is the last clip from this section here where he's talking about the, uh, the misrepresentations
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of Quigley's work.
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Um, and I only kept this in because like the real function of what he's doing is really
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just kind of letting Hitler off the hook.
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And it's weird because he's super close, I think in this next clip to saying like, ah,
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Hitler wasn't so bad.
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This is how they work.
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This is how they operate.
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This leads us up to today.
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And then Hitler, they turn against Hitler.
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He flips out.
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He starts saying, my God, they promised me this.
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I wasn't going to attack England.
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We were supposed to link up after I'd taken Europe and then knock out Stalin.
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And then we were going to carry out eugenics and exterminate the majority of the nonwhite
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population.
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That was the Hitler plan.
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If you didn't know how they were going to put fluoride in the water to first pacify
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people, use them as slave labor, buy off their leaders, how the, how the ops were going to
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work everywhere.
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Did he also want the spear of destiny?
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You know, funding him as well that he would only let Jews escape.
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This is mainline books are being written by Jewish publications about this, uh, that they
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would only let Jews go to Palestine.
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That's why they wouldn't let them go to New York or wouldn't let them go to London.
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And they had to pay a million dollars to the Zionists to get out.
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So they'd loot them.
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Oh yeah.
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I mean, this is, this is all dangerously close to Holocaust denial.
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Like it's not denial, pure, it's not pure denial, but man, this, this is so close to
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the rhetoric that you see in all sorts of places that blame, uh, like, uh, sort of hidden
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Jews behind the scenes for the Holocaust itself.
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Who else could it be?
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Right?
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The Rothschilds, man.
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They was them.
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They were doing it.
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They had this whole plan and they screwed over Hitler.
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Hitler was screwed.
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You know, I used to, I used to really hate Hitler, but now that I know that he was betrayed,
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I'm really starting to feel for this guy, man, after this too, Alex, like he brings
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up that, uh, Rudolph Hess story about him, uh, him, uh, parachuting out of an airplane,
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uh, with a secret treaty or something like that.
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But the real, I remember that, I remember that nonsense.
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Yeah.
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We talked about that in the past episode, but the only thing that really caught me off
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guard was that Alex said Rudolph Hess was a war hero.
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Ooh, that's not good.
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He sort of swallows World War One or hero, but even that's not great.
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No, no, I don't know.
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I don't like this idea of just like letting Hitler off the hook for everything and then
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calling Rudolph as a war hero.
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Yeah.
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Everybody was doing great.
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I don't enjoy it.
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Look, look, Dan, you have a lot of misconceptions and that's because you've been reading the
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liberal history.
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That is, that makes you a race traitor and it's awesome for me to say race traitor because
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that's what's really important, Dan.
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Seems like Alex might agree with you on that.
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Yeah.
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Let's get on with that section of this and we can move on to Alex having more fun saying
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stupid shit about other things than World War Two.
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Henderson urges caution on community gardens.
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Ricky Henderson?
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And says allowing people to have gardens could be a problem because they might grow pots.
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See, we're all prisoners here.
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This is out of Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I've got other ones around the country where they want
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to inspect your home garden, guilty until proven innocent.
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So there you have it.
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I mean, they're just cracking down on anybody having their own food.
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They're cracking down on you getting your own food because they want you hungry so they
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can get you into those FEMA camps or something.
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So I have this article.
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Are they going after subsistence farmers?
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No, this is about a city council meeting in Tulsa.
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And Henderson is Jack Henderson, the Tulsa city councilor.
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And what the issue here is not about private gardens, it's about community gardens.
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And actually this article is less about the marijuana issue.
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He does say, here's a quote from him, how do we know what people are going to be growing?
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Vegetables?
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Maybe.
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Or maybe something else.
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Is there going to be someone that inspects what's growing?
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In a community garden, I kind of understand.
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I don't think it matters that much.
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But that's just one point that he brings up.
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The main concern is the idea of like, all right, we start these community gardens on
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what land are we using?
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How is it zoned?
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And then what if it falls into disrepair?
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Whose responsibility is that if it just becomes overgrown?
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Is that the city's responsibility?
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Are we going to have to budget for that?
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Or is it a private place that now you have a community garden here, and then the homeowner
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or the property owner is then responsible for the overgrowth of the gardens?
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Yeah.
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There's more issues here than just the idea of...
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I mean, those are reasonable concerns, I guess.
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On the other hand, I mean, it's a community garden, dude.
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Everybody kind of gets it.
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There are tons of community gardens around Chicago.
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Is anybody confused by them?
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Everybody just kind of has a weird pop-up political system that grows around those where
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you have to talk to somebody, but you don't know who for a while.
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And then you meet a couple of people in the know, and then you find out who's running
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things and you ask for a plot.
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And the person who's running things, self-appointed, because they just showed up first.
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It's probably a bag lady at the end of the day.
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Her bags are filled with vegetables.
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And it's also Erykah Badu.
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So that is what...
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Wait.
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Where was I going with this?
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I'm not sure, but also in this article, it says that they would support the amendment
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and if unforeseen problems arise, the council can go back and make changes if they want.
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But it is this article that he's reporting on.
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He's not reporting on the reality of it.
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It is really just about the city code enforcement and whether or not it would require tax dollars
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to clean up places that fall into being abandoned, basically.
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And then also the idea of if it's a private place and it's the person's responsibility,
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how are we going to make them clean it up?
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It would be a blight.
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It would turn into a trash yard, basically.
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So look, this isn't some sort of fascist crackdown on people growing food.
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That's a really boring meeting.
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Why are we talking about it?
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Well, because Alex brought it up and it's just...
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No, no, no.
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I mean, Alex, what are we doing here?
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Well, because it's a simple way for him to weave some of his pre-existing narratives
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into a story that doesn't have anything to do with it.
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That's basically what his show is.
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Yeah.
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Well, fair enough.
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I mean, you don't listen to as much of it, but there's a lot of these on the cutting
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room floor.
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I just heard out of Tulsa, Oklahoma, they are raising parking by five cents.
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Do you know why they want to raise parking by five cents?
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Because that five cents is used to buy candy in 1944 and now we can't get it anymore.
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I want a phosphate, but now I got to spend that five cents on parking even though I don't
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live in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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This is fascism, Dan.
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Yep.
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More or less.
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So we move on from this story.
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There's breaking news on the Alex Jones show, courtesy of a family member of Alex's, or
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should I say whistleblower?
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You know, my dad just popped by the office and he's a professional and the feds are out
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brainwashing and the state police are brainwashing everybody.
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Just want to let you know people be brainwashed.
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Every year, dentists have to go back for more training through the state and they're all
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there telling them, look out for gangs.
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He just came in the office during the break to tell me this.
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He said, and what are gangs?
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They're sororities and fraternities, any group that is secret.
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And so they're just saying the entire American people basically are terrorists.
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And so my dad just popped by that piece of intel that just happened to him in his continual
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education last week.
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Crazy.
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In dentists, community, continuing education, they are warning dentists to look out for
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frat guys.
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So many, so many frat guy issues.
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They put their colors in their teeth, Dan.
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I would only believe this if this was like...
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Kappa beta incisor.
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I would only believe this in any way if it was about like, look out for people who wear
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grills or something like that.
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And it was some sort of a racism thing.
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That's the only way I believe this is even close to real.
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Oh, I bet the continuing education for dentists is always like, watch out for grills.
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They just watch out for grills.
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They just play the Paul Wall video and they're like, see, isn't this scary?
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And there's one dentist in the back who's like, dude, I make millions off grills.
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You guys are losing money by being racist.
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There might be a cold front if I take a deep breath because I've got so much ice in this
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mouth.
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Yeah, that's a good song.
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Anyway, in this next clip, we get a guest.
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He's our favorite South African gold exploiter.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Bobby Chapman.
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Out of the gates.
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I'm sure you've seen it.
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What do you think of the state police federally written document that basically says that
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anybody that supports the second amendment buys gold, believes in the North American
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Union, flies the American flag.
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You name it.
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He is a terrorist.
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It's incomprehensible, but it's what to be, it is what to be expected from the people
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who control our federal government.
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You noticed that immediately.
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I didn't think you were going to catch that, that now the narrative has evolved.
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Where did gold come into this?
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Bob Chapman's on the show to sell gold, of course it's going to be a piece of it.
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You know, this is...
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Bob Chapman should know better than anyone else why these groups are on the watch list.
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What?
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This is one of those things that's really essential to understand is that Alex Jones
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has his narratives, but he uses them specifically in different ways with different people.
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So like Bob Chapman exists on this show only to talk about the dollar collapsing and selling
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Ted Anderson's gold.
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That's the only reason he exists on this show, it's why he comes on all the time.
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He's a credible source in heavy quotes about that sort of thing in order to force people
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into a mindset where they're like, fuck, I should get gold.
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So when Alex wants to bring up the Mayak report, which is his big narrative that he's on now,
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in order to make it amenable to what he knows he's going to have to get to, which is selling
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gold, he has to bring in, if you buy gold, you're a terrorist now.
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Yeah.
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It's great.
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It's perfect.
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I'm looking forward to when he goes through that same laundry list with Chuck Norris,
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but he throws in, and also people who sidekick, see, there we go.
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People who do karate and jeans.
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Yeah, that's going to...
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Who does karate and jeans?
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One guy.
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Come on.
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One guy.
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One guy.
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One guy.
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One guy.
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River Phoenix?
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No.
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Speak of the devil.
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It is time for Chuck Norris to make his appearance on the show.
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Yay!
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We're joined in the next 20 minutes or maybe longer, he's a very busy man, by someone who
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needs no introduction, Chuck Norris.
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He was kind enough to come on late last year, and I hadn't bugged him to come back on until
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I heard this big announcement that he's going to be making a big announcement today on a
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national simulcast on the radio and on the web, and I wanted to get him on about that
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and a host of issues, talk of him running for president of Texas or president of the
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U.S.
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So, Alex is really excited.
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Still trying to be president of Texas.
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And the U.S.
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He's really...
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I guess if you're the president of the United States, you're not the president of Texas,
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but if you're the president of Texas, Alex considers you the president of the United
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States.
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That's true.
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So that's how his logic would work there.
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This interview is weird, because I will say, there's a piece of...
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Do you mean an Alex Jones interview with Chuck Norris turns weird?
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Yeah, I know.
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Shocking.
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All right.
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There's an element of it that I'm kind of cool with in some ways, and that is Chuck
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Norris talking about his, I don't know, I guess...
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Exercise equipment?
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Charitable work, where he goes and teaches kids at schools to do martial arts and stuff
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like that.
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Yeah, that sounds fun.
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I think it's great.
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Martial arts are a good way to have discipline and all that stuff.
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But I also seem to see...
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There's two examples of people who I know in the media who are real into martial arts.
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Three, if you count Eddie Bravo.
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Yeah.
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We've got Chuck Norris, Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo.
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All of them seem to be in great shape, but also seem to have a proclivity for hanging
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out with fascists.
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As somebody...
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I was in karate until I was like 12, something like that.
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Only now, looking back, do I realize how many of those guys were like...
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A lot of people want to take karate for discipline and self-defense.
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Some people want to know how to straight up murder a guy in the strange happenstance.
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What if it happens?
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I'm not saying I fantasize about beating the shit out of a guy in a street fight.
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I'm not saying that I'm always kind of angling for one of those street fights.
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But if you're a guy who's super into karate and you're a lot like a guy who's super into
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martial arts, I could see that mentality being there.
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But I also wonder, I have nothing to base this on, and I don't think it's wrong or weird
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at all to do martial arts, but I wonder if there's something in the nature of that discipline
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that's very positive, the ability to get that control over yourself.
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I wonder if there's an element of it in martial arts that is so predicated on subservience
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to the sensei or the master of the dojo.
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That was unnecessary.
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But I wonder if there's something in there that leads towards a mindset that is very
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malleable to authoritarianism.
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You know what I mean?
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I don't know if that's the case.
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I'm just spitballing here.
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Depends on the dojo.
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Depends on the sensei.
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I would assume so, but if you had a hardline, real taskmastery kind of like, I am the king
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of this small store in a mall.
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It's all about discipline and subversion of yourself to the discipline of the master,
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as it were.
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Why would that not be something that you now have practice in doing?
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I don't know.
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I find that to be weak.
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I think that's a weak link.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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I mean, I think it's more likely that you're getting people who are inclined to violence
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and an authoritarian government gives them free rein to exercise violence whenever they
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want to.
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This interview is very strange for a number of reasons.
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And one of the things that is very strange is that Alex wants this announcement.
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He wants to know what it is.
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You heard at the end of that last clip him saying, you know, are you going to run for
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the president of Texas?
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He wants to scoop Glenn Beck.
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That's all he really wants.
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And unfortunately, I don't think that Chuck Norris knows that Alex Jones hates Glenn Beck.
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So tell us what's coming up today.
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Well, today Glenn Beck has started a thing called We Surround Them, which means the nine
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principles that we, America, should live by.
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America is good.
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I believe in God and He is the center of my life.
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I must always be a much more honest person than I was yesterday.
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You know, things of that sort there and then the 12 values of honesty, reverence, hope,
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thrift, so forth and so on.
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And so really what Glenn Beck is trying to say today is that the people have got to go
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back to the values that we had for many, many years and we're drifting off of that.
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And I totally agree with him.
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So Alex wants to scoop Glenn Beck and he is accidentally doing a commercial for Glenn
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Beck with celebrity guest Chuck Norris.
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Yeah, that's not good.
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That's not how he wanted that to go.
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No.
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I'm here to talk about Glenn Beck's nine bullshit and 12 values.
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So what's interesting here is I'm actually starting to get the sense that maybe what
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ends up happening is Alex maybe never joins the tea party because I didn't realize the
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nine 12 stuffs happened this quick.
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I thought it took a while for Glenn Beck to get that machine moving, but no, it's already
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in high gear on March 13th.
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That's when Chuck Norris is going to go on his show to announce this.
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They're going to start pushing the nine 12 movement, which is what the announcement is
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that Alex is now accidentally helping promote.
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I think that there's a decent chance that what ends up happening is that Alex never
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really joins up with the tea party, but consistently says that he's the real tea party.
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Yes, that actually sounds right.
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I think that's what that sounds like.
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It makes way more sense than anything else.
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I towards the end of this episode, we'll have another piece of why I, why I think that might
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be the case.
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So this entire investigation is a giant cocktease.
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He's never going to join the tea party and we still have no idea when Soros is going
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to come up, but it's at least not for another year.
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It's less a cocktease and more like, you know how, when you do an experiment, sometimes
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you learn what doesn't create fire, you know, sometimes you find out two chemicals you can't
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mix and make an explosion, do not create fire.
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That was a bad, that was a bad experiment.
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So it's not, it's not so much that, uh, you know, this is a cocktease as much as it is
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like this is how the scientific method works.
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We've knocked out a couple of possibilities.
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We had a good, we had a good, uh, there's still, there's still a lot of insight.
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And information that we've gained.
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And there is still a chance he is going to just be like, you know, I'm a tea party guy
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now.
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Sure.
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Any of those things are possible, but we will see anyway, because Alex is so pissed off
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that Chuck Norris is on his show promoting Glenn Beck as he goes out to break, Alex accidentally
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calls Chuck Norris Glenn Beck.
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Sure.
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Let's talk more about that in your new book, a black belt patriotism.
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We get back with Glenn Beck stay with tonight on Glenn Beck.
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He's doing it with Chuck Norris.
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We're going to get back to Glenn fucking Beck.
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I mean, Chuck Norris over here, whatever this fucking guy, you can send black belt patriotism.
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What?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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All these guys have done books, but like, uh, you could get the sense that like, he's
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really steaming.
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Yeah.
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He's not happy about this because this is supposed to be a gift for him.
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He's got Walker on the show.
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This is my show.
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Don't talk about somebody else's show on my show.
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Yeah.
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So they start talking about how Chuck Norris likes the fair tax, which I don't want to
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get into.
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Basically it involves a consumption based tax.
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So all income tax and property tax and stuff like that would go away and you just, there's
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a lot of tax for buying things or something like that.
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That's kind of the idea.
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There's variations of the fair tax, but I will never not be surprised by how bad their
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ideas can be.
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So Chuck Norris is like, I'm into the fair tax.
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I want just to consume, uh, consuming based tax.
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And Alex is like, Hey, I got bad news for you.
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That's part of the globalist plan.
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Hey, I got bad news for you.
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All your dumb ideas that you told Glenn fucking Beck.
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They're stupid and the globalist want them globalists through and through.
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So then, uh, uh, Chuck Norris is an insightful man.
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And so he has this to say about the IRS and taxation, which I have bad news for him about.
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But the thing is, is that, uh, you know, uh, the IRS, well, it was only became constitutional
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in 1913.
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A lot of people don't realize this, that the IRS was unconstitutional until 1913 when the
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government, uh, when the Congress made a, uh, an amendment, uh, constitutional amendment,
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16th amendment, and we've been going downhill ever since that time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's when, that's when we started going downhill.
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Hey Chuck, I got bad news because, uh, it wasn't constitutional for women to vote until
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it was, I mean, what do you want to do?
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What do you want to do?
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It was unconstitutional.
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Anything that wasn't in the original document, damn, it was constitutional to enslave people
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until it wasn't.
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What does this mean?
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What does it mean?
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We can't do anything.
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It wasn't constitutional until it was constitutional.
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That makes it unconstitutional, Dan.
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It doesn't.
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It doesn't.
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No, that's a solid argument.
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If it wasn't constitutional before, then it can never be constitutional again.
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Remember how that was written into the constitution?
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There definitely wasn't some sort of like, okay, maybe we need some amendments to this
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constitution.
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So what if we wrote in an actual series of instructions for how to add things to the
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constitution upon which those series of instructions are followed and succeeded, it will be part
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of the constitution.
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No, Dan, always unconstitutional.
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Anything that wasn't in the constitution.
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That's so silly.
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Anyway, in this next clip, Glenn Beck comes up back again and Norris expresses his love
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for him.
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And if you listen carefully, you can hear Alex give out an exasperated sigh.
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I just, I'm so upset.
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That's why I'm such a supporter of Glenn Beck.
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I really consider him like you, Alex.
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I really consider you a crusader and I consider Glenn Beck a crusader of all we need to do
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because the whole thing is we're going to lose our constitution.
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Oh, you're going to lose your constitution, little guy?
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We're going to lose it.
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Oh, no.
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Well, it's one, the globalists have already hired Nick Cage.
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They have had him on the back burner for a long time.
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They had him with a development deal to steal the constitution.
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Sure, sure.
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They're going to option it for a two-part series, I would assume.
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Well, when we talk, like when Chuck Norris, star of Walker Texas Ranger, is on this show
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and he's telling us that we're going to lose our constitution if Glenn Beck, his crusade
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that Alex is apparently doing the same thing as, which really infuriates Alex.
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If that doesn't work out, we're going to lose our constitution.
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It doesn't make me feel better when he says this about the constitution.
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You know, John Adams, our second president, stated that our constitution was made only
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for religious and moral people and I really believe that, Alex, and it's wholly inadequate
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for the government of any other and the thing is we don't just maintain our faith and our
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moral values, then the constitution is going to wind up dissolving.
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Which religion?
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Hey, Chuck, you want a theocracy?
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You want a Christian theocracy, bro?
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Is that what you're into, Walker?
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Because look behind you.
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I'm going to be behind you.
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Can't have a theocracy, buddy.
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It's no good.
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No, it's for religious and moral people.
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And John Adams saying that is exactly why we need amendments.
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This has been a civics class, basically, listening to Walker Texas Ranger be stupid as shit.
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I just don't understand.
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I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
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I don't get how anybody with a straight face who seems to not be a monster, necessarily.
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Like I don't know anything that Chuck Norris has done like that's on the scale of like
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evil.
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Just mostly dumb.
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Yeah.
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I'm trying to think of something evil.
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Didn't look into it, so I don't know.
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He could have killed a guy.
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I have no idea.
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Yeah, he could have killed a guy.
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That's possible.
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But it's just weird to hear somebody who, you know, you assume isn't a total monster
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saying like, well, the constitution is really only for religious and moral people.
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So if he's saying that, then that means that everyone must be religious if we're going
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to have this or the constitution doesn't apply to not religious people, like a religious
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folks.
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So either of those conclusions is terrifying.
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Yeah.
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And I assume he means people of all faiths.
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Oh, what does he mean by moral?
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I think he, I think he means people who follow their religious tenants to the letter of the
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law.
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I would assume so.
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Yeah.
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And I assume he means all religions.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He loves the constitution so much.
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He remembers that in the first amendment.
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Nope.
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Oh, that one's unconstitutional.
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Shit.
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He got me.
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Yup.
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So I got sidekicked by the truth, Dan.
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Speaking of sidekicks, if Chuck Norris were a dictator, he'd need a sidekick.
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And he would need a sidekick.
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And he talks about him in this next clip and boy, this doesn't make me more interested
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in his version of government.
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I mean, Ron Paul is such a champion of liberty.
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Well, you know, you don't have it.
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I have a saying, I don't know if I told you anyway, uh, you know, all these Chuck Norris
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facts that are floating around for the last three years, one of them is that America's
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got a democracy.
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One of them is Glenn Beck sucks.
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Fuck you.
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Chuck hatership.
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And I said, now, if that was true, if that was true, I would go to Washington to Congress.
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I lined up all the members of Congress and I'd have Ron Paul, who I believe is the most
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honest member of Congress.
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And I'd say, Ron, point out the honest, honest, honest, no, that's bad.
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And as we're walking down the road, have you never heard of a situation where that happened
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before?
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I walk up to him and I'd say, you're fired.
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And if he didn't move immediately, I took him unconscious and drag him over.
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Have you not heard of that when that happens?
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Nancy Pelosi, I'd walk up and say, Nancy, you're fired.
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You have all the time, all the time in the world to leave.
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I would prefer you just fired Nancy Pelosi.
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Can we just fire Nancy Pelosi?
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If you're a dictator?
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Yeah.
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I don't know how.
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I would say that one of the points against Ron Paul as being the most honest person in
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the Senate or whatever is that he says, I didn't write that newsletter with my name
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on it written in the first person.
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You know, I remember all of the successful governments that were run that way, right?
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Like, oh, Chairman Bao did that.
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Lenin did that.
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Hitler did that.
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This isn't going well.
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That's not a great list.
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There's not a lot of...
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Ceausescu did?
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Ooh, that's no good.
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I like the idea of him trying to bring Liberty King Ron Paul into his fantasy.
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That fantasy vision of a dictatorship where one man decides who can govern.
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A theocratic dictatorship.
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No less.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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That is nuts, man.
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What I would do is I would hire Ron Paul to be my executioner.
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That's essentially what he said.
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No, he's the one who points people out.
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Chuck Norris himself is the executioner.
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Oh, that's right.
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Rear choke.
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He's going to do a rear chokehold.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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That's not good.
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I would like to go on the record and say I do not want to live in a Chucktatorship.
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It's not for me.
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I feel like all the amendments would disappear.
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We would end up...
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Yeah, we would lose all the amendments.
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Hmm.
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That would be not good.
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So much like Alex presented the MIAC report, now with the gold piece of it in place for
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Bob Chapman when he was earlier on on the show, now that Chuck Norris is on, I'm sorry
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that he doesn't say anything about people doing karate and jeans.
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All right.
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Fine.
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But he does lie to him about the MIAC report.
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This is an information revolution that's happening, but I have the government documents.
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I have the secret state police reports that the feds give them where they say Bob Barr,
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Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, libertarians, people with these stickers are dangerous.
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They're bad.
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They want to kill...
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Who said that?
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This is what the feds...
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This just went out this month, so clearly it's coming from the Obama people.
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It's up on Infowars.com.
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I've talked to the state police.
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They admit this was given to them by the feds to issue to their state police officers, saying
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people that own gold are bad.
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It's up on screen right now.
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There it is.
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It's called the modern militia movement, but then it demonizes mainline libertarians and
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everybody and says, watch out for them.
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They're dangerous.
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I mean, it seems like people in the federal government right now realize the threat to
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them is people that are talking like you, Chuck Norris.
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Yeah, I know.
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Oh.
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The threat to them is people talking like you, Chuck Norris.
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Chuck Norris, don't go on Glenn Beck's show.
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You need the hardcore truth that I'm bringing because you're in danger.
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Absolutely.
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The MIAC report is about you, Chuck Norris.
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You didn't know about the MIAC report, and I did.
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I just saved your life, Chuck Norris.
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Why the fuck are you talking to Glenn Beck?
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Yeah, and the other thing that is really, really funny is that I didn't...
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I've never looked into this because I just assumed it was bullshit, but Alex has another
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training thing, manual, that he touts as proof that the government is trying to crack down
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and they hate these patriots and all that, and it was sent to, not him, but I believe...
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I don't exactly know the genesis story of this, like where it came from, but it came
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from, I know, from someone in Arizona law enforcement.
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I believe it was this guy named Jack McLamb who's coming up later on the show, but I can't
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prove it.
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Great.
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But the timeline matches up.
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I looked at it, and it's just a flyer.
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It's a tri-part flyer.
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It's a flyer that's going to be folded in half, and it's just giving law enforcement
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things to look out for.
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So in this case, it's actually a better argument than the MIAC report because the MIAC report,
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like I said, is just descriptive and based on the study that they've done of these militia
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groups.
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This one, if you open up the fold, you look inside, and it has a list of things that you
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should be on the lookout for.
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There's two things that you want to look out for with right-wing extremists, and they're
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quote, and this is in quotes in the document, defenders of the U.S. Constitution against
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foreign governments and the U.N., parenthetically super patriots, and groups of individuals
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engaged in paramilitary training.
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Yeah, you should definitely be looking out for those guys.
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Well, those are two things that you would, if you were in law enforcement, you conceivably
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could be concerned about because if someone's engaging in paramilitary training, it's really
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... I don't want to paint with too broad a brush, but that usually doesn't happen in
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balanced people.
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People with a good head on their shoulders generally aren't in the woods training for
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war on their own or in a cell.
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You get a small group of guys together who are ideologically consistent with each other,
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and they learn how to use weapons and practice certain tactics necessary to neutralize the
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enemy, and you know they're never going to want to use those skills that they've learned,
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and they'll never manufacture a reason to use those skills against an enemy, real or
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imagined, and they'll never take that enemy that is real or imagined and kind of blow
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it out of proportion and then turn it into a local issue, and then they would never bomb
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shit.
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And then defenders of the U.S. Constitution against the federal government and the U.N.?
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And amendments, apparently.
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And amendments.
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Well, that you should be concerned about too because that is upsetting.
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You know what I mean?
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People who don't think that the Constitution involves the federal government?
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Is the U.N. trying to... I mean, that's Alex's whole thing.
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Are they fighting the Constitution?
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Yeah.
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He does believe they're usurping our Constitution somehow.
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But be that as it may, those are the two things listed in right-wing extremism, and now you
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go down.
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Hate groups, skinheads, Nazis, neo-Nazis, black separatists, the KKK, Christian identity
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and white nationalists, those are all groups that you should be aware of.
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Sure.
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During law enforcement, those are generally some groups who are going to maybe do a hate
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crime or two.
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Alex doesn't open pamphlets.
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Common law movement proponents.
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Oh, yeah.
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Watch out for those guys.
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Election is about sovereign citizens.
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I don't know if maybe they didn't have that name at the time when we were going by common
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law movement.
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Fictitious license plates, no license plates.
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Fictitious driver's license, no driver's license.
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Refusing to identify themselves.
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Request authority to... Request why are you stopping me, that sort of thing.
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Make numerous references to the U.S. Constitution.
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Claim driving is a right, not a privilege, which we've talked about a bunch with these
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sovereign citizens.
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Oh, yeah.
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And attempting to police the police.
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Those are the things you should look out for.
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If you see those tendencies, you might be talking to a common law movement, maritime
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law kind of guy.
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That was the least popular version of Jeff Foxworthy's bit.
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Then there's single issue terrorists to look out for.
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We got-
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Single issue terrorists.
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We got animal rights terrorists.
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Right, right, right.
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Of course, abortion terrorists.
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Eco-terrorists.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Urban riot agitators.
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Non-aligned terrorists.
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I guess that's everybody else.
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Doomsday cult type groups.
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Sure.
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Should be aware of all that.
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Weapons of mass destruction is on here.
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I think.
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Don't need to tell us to look out for that.
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No, you should probably be aware of those.
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People are going to be looking out for those.
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And then also there's a little section-
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I just got the vision of a cop walking up to this cartoon giant bomb sitting around
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just being like, so you're going to use that?
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No?
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All right then.
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We're cool.
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On your way.
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It's your constitutional right.
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Oh wait, it's not.
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Because the amendments aren't real.
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So that second amendment that you love so much wouldn't count!
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That is a problem.
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But also there's a section, left-wing terrorism, and in it it says political motivation is
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usually Marxist-Leninist philosophy.
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Now I am not an idiot, so I read that and I say, you know what, there probably are some
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left-wing groups that have Marxist-Leninist philosophy.
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In no way do I look at that and say, if you are into Marx, you are into Lenin, then that
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means you're a left-wing terrorist.
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But that would be how I would have to read it if I was playing the same stupid games
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Alex is.
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So anyway, the bigger picture that I wanted to bring in is that left-wing terrorism is
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included in there, as well as animal rights, eco-terrorism, which are usually left-leaning
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people for the most part.
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There's a small part about right-wing extremism, he ignores all the rest of this, in order
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to be like, they're trying to demonize the patriots!
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I could play the same game and be like, they're trying to demonize people who care about animals'
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rights!
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Do you understand?
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The feds are cracking down on anybody who cares about animals.
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It would have just as much validity using this argument, using this document.
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Alex is fucking stupid, is what I'm trying to get at.
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Anyway.
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So is Chuck Norris, in case anybody was wondering.
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Boy, it turns out.
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Now here's where I get a little bit of empathy for Chuck Norris.
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Here's how the interview ends, and watch how fast, as soon as Chuck Norris is gone, Alex
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starts condescending to him.
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Keep the crusading going, buddy.
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Alright, I will.
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Take care.
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Chuck Norris, ladies and gentlemen.
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Thank you so much, sir.
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Alright.
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We're going to go to our next guest here in a moment, but I've got to take a break.
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I've been going straight for 30 minutes, and we're going to come back with Jack McClam.
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Let me just say this right now.
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I analyzed this thing with Glenn Beck.
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Glenn Beck came out a year ago, a year and a half ago, said arrest Ron Paul supporters,
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use the army on them, we've got to use the military.
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He basically read off the state police federal report they put out.
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Couldn't have.
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I said those were the same talking points.
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I said those were talking points.
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I saw them everywhere.
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He got hammered and destroyed.
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They know we're the majority.
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I believe Chuck Norris is a good guy, and we're in the process of educating him.
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He's been listening to this show for years.
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I've talked to him behind the scenes before, and he says, look at me, a lot of this stuff.
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He's being careful how he puts it out, and he's saying, you're not taking our guns.
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We're not getting rid of the borders.
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He supports the state sovereignty movement.
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You just heard that.
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I've got a gut, folks, and I believe Chuck Norris.
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I know Chuck Norris is a good guy, and he's very humble.
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He's becoming educated.
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You've got to talk to him behind the scenes.
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That said, the establishment knows there's a massive movement against the New World Order
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and tyranny.
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That's why Beck's talking about it now, and what they're doing is they're mimicking the
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Ron Paul move to get volunteers, and I think it may be another faction of the globalists
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that's kind of scared of the faction with Obama.
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He keeps rambling from there.
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I think it's really fun, though, just being like, look, he's basically an anti-globalist
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in second grade.
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We're teaching him.
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He's on his way.
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My gut tells me he's a good guy.
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Don't judge him because he's hanging out with Glenn Beck.
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He's a C student, but who among us was not a C student at one point or another?
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We're going to get him there.
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That's profoundly patronizing.
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I can't imagine Chuck Norris wasn't still listening or something like that or didn't
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go back and maybe listen to this.
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He probably didn't.
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No, he doesn't give a fuck.
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He's Chuck Norris.
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But if anyone who knows him was listening, they would have heard that and been like,
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Chuck, Alex was a real dick when you got off the phone almost immediately after he pretended
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you didn't know anything.
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For no reason other than he's pedally angry at you for mentioning Glenn Beck, which you
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don't know about.
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Repeatedly bringing up Glenn Beck and basically using Alex's show to promote his appearance
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on Glenn Beck.
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Yeah, for Chuck, if he was listening to that, he would have no idea why Alex was just being
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a dick all of a sudden.
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He even signed off with like, Hey, you keep on fighting the good fight, buddy.
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Yeah.
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And Alex calls him sir and is nice to his face and then was like, yeah, look, my gut
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tells me he's a good guy, but he doesn't know much.
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I don't think this Alex character is a good dude.
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No, shitty.
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But he's not as shitty as this next guy.
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We have one more clip and it's another guest that comes up after Chuck Norris leaves and
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that is the aforementioned Jack Mclam.
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He's a former police guy from Phoenix, Arizona.
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I don't believe his time matched up with Joe Arpaio, although it is interesting that two
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real piles of shit were involved in Phoenix policing.
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But this guy...
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Is it unexpected though?
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Not necessarily.
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No.
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So this, I just have one clip of him because most of his appearance, I'll have to explain
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to you.
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It's too boring to listen to, but it's worth mentioning.
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But in this clip, he sounds a lot like Chuck Norris in a certain sense.
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We are kicking butt, Jack, yes, yes, we sure are, brother, absolutely.
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More and more, we're getting more and more email, I get 200, 300 a day, and that's nothing
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to what you get, but our police and soldiers and other people, and it's fantastic how more
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and more are waking up all the time.
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And I've been praying every night that God would give us a second chance and forgive
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our national sins for throwing him out of this nation and allow us to go forward.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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His commandments and his laws and throw out these evil man's laws.
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He's literally...
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Why do you want both God's law and the constitution?
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They're literally incompatible with each other.
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You misheard that last part.
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He said, throw out these evil man's laws.
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He is literally...
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Oh, he's completely out on this constitution bullshit.
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He's literally advocating for a Christian theocracy, whereas we would say...
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Chuck was just leaning towards a Christian authoritarian dictatorship.
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He's dipping his toe in there with Ron Paul saying, hey, the water's fine.
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Chuck Norris described Putin's rise to power almost exactly, right?
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Especially the...
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Like 100%.
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The false Christianity that was behind it.
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So the rest of Jack McLamb's appearance on the show, he's just promoting the Oath Keepers.
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Oh, that's not good.
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The Oath Keepers are something that Alex is not aware of yet.
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He doesn't know about the Oath Keepers.
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And Jack McLamb is talking about how, hey, there's this great, cool new group of kids
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out on the scene.
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And you know what they're all about?
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A white nationalist paramilitary organization?
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They're all about keeping oaths.
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Oh.
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Oh, well, that's nice.
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Everybody likes keeping oaths.
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If you make an oath, you should keep it.
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They sound eminently reasonable, Dan.
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I assume there are no other details to learn about them.
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They just keep oaths.
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I'm saving getting into them for another day because I'm certain Alex is going to go whole
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hog into Oath Keepers.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And this, I think, is what he does instead of going into the Tea Party.
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And the reason for that is...
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He joins a paramilitary white nationalist organization.
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The reason I have this suspicion is because during that segment with Chuck Norris, he
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was talking about Glenn Beck's 912, the nine principles and 12 attitudes or whatever, right?
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And Alex is visibly and audibly put off by it.
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But also, I think there might be a piece in his mind that was like, that's pretty marketable.
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Because when Jack McLam comes on, he starts talking about the 10 things that the Oath
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Keepers are really big into.
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The 10 rules that the Oath Keepers have, like, we will not take away people's guns.
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Man, these fucking guys, they love their bullshit rules.
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So at the end of the show, Alex and Jack McLam spend 40 minutes breaking down the rules of
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the Oath Keepers.
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40 minutes breaking down the rules of the Oath Keepers.
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Well, Jack McLam tries to read all of them and Alex keeps going, ah, ah, great, great,
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great, love it.
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And then they go to commercial and Alex is like, I want you to read those all again,
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but I'm going to editorialize.
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So after each one, we'll talk about it.
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Okay.
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And so after each one, he's like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, we need that.
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That's already happening.
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We need to stop that.
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We'll take a gun grabbing, you know, like, yeah, we got to stop that, that sort of thing.
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And so he gets really, really excited about these 10 rules of the Oath Keepers.
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It makes me think that he's going full on.
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He's going to head that direction.
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You know, these, these guys never talk about the beatitudes.
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Like they're never in the 10 rules.
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There's never like treat others the way you want to be treated.
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There's none of that stuff.
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It's always like, if you have the chance, shooting motherfucker, you know what I'm saying?
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That's all I'm saying.
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If you got the chance.
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Sure.
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Now, just because I needed a little bit of a, another thing to look into, I decided to
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check into Jack McLam a little bit.
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I know that we've talked about him in the past, but I don't know.
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I don't know how much we've talked about.
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I know we haven't talked about this.
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I found a video that he put out of his radio show.
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He used to do.
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He is now dead, but he put out a good, this episode of his radio show called was Hitler
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upon, which interestingly relates back to a bunch of stuff Alex was talking about earlier.
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Here's the quote from that.
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Just let Hitler be evil.
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Can't you just let the, let that one go.
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You can't because you can't, because you beholden to all of these basically Nazi adjacent anti
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communist propagandas, uh, propaganda.
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I suppose sooner or later, you're going to have to run into the problem of if all of
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the guys that I like are telling the truth, that means Hitler can't be a bad guy.
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I mean, think about it like Alex, Alex, one of his biggest, uh, intelligence sources in
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very heavy quotes, uh, about the Bilderberg group was Jim Tucker who wrote for the spotlight,
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which was the publication put out by the Liberty lobby and Willis Carto specifically in order
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to turn public opinion against Jews.
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Alex has this great grand worldview about World War II revisionism that goes on to this
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day in the CFR and all this shit that's based on a misuse of Carol Quigley's work by W.
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Cleon Skousen that was published and promoted by the Liberty lobby that was put up, put
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together by Willis Carto who wanted to demonize Jews and all of that ends up being mixed into
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a big bouillabaisse that ends up, uh, you know, it's like it's alphabet soup that ends
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up saying Hitler was pretty cool on top.
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That's basically what it ends up being.
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And if that is your worldview and has been since you were too young to understand what
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you were reading and you have a family that is probably a little bit crazy and John Bertie,
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that's going to be like that.
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Alex has never had the crisis of political identity.
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He's had this stupid worldview since he was 12.
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He's like someone who's walked around and never had to question actually what he believes
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because he decided that when he was 10 reading these dumb books and instead of being challenged
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by the experiences that he has in the world, he gets defensive about them and yells at
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people in order to be like, no, I'm going to vociferously defend my opinion as opposed
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to consider the possibility maybe I'm wrong on this one.
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I just wish that we lived in a world where if you started digging into your philosophy
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and you eventually hit defend Hitler as your bedrock, you would stop there and be like,
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oh, if I'm defending Hitler, maybe I should dig myself out of this hole.
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But with these guys, there's just no bottom.
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There's just no bottom.
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They just keep digging into, yeah, I'll defend Hitler.
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What else we got?
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Keep going down this hole.
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Well, that's part of the mentality because if everything is a conspiracy and nothing
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is what you thought it is, then nothing is off the table.
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Yeah, you can defend Hitler.
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It's all conspiracy.
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Yeah.
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He didn't do it.
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He didn't do it there.
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Yeah.
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So he's a good guy.
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Was Hitler a pawn?
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That's the video.
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No, but okay.
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That's the video that was put out by, uh, uh, this Jack McClam.
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Here's a quote from it quote.
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Was Hitler a pawn?
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This is fascinating folks.
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No, it's not.
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I wanted to share this with you because it's by one of my favorite Jews, one of my favorite
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Jews in the world.
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Don't say it like that.
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And twice.
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Don't say it like that.
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One of my favorite Jews in the world, Henry Macau.
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Now, Jordan, Henry Macau is a noted lunatic and conspiracy theorist, but it's also worth
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pointing out that he invented the board game scruples.
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Really?
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That's weird.
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What?
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Wait, what?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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All right.
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Everybody's got sidekicks.
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Wait, the board game scruples was invented by a lunatic neo-Nazi Jewish Holocaust revisionist?
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That is a weird thing to know.
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Among some of Macau's more fun theories, he said that the Beatles were an Illuminati plot
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to normalize drug use and promiscuity.
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Interestingly...
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That might be true, actually.
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Interestingly, on that promiscuity note, he wrote a book in 2000 called A Long Way to
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Go for a Date, and I will read to you the blurb of the book from Amazon.
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Quote, in the Philippines, Henry Macau, 48, discovered a tropical paradise where women
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are still traditional and the husband is the head of the household.
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A Long Way to Go for a Date is Macau's candid and ironic account of his courtship and marriage
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to a young Filipina.
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Yep, nothing like an uplifting story of a near 50-year-old man flying to Southeast Asia
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to marry an 18-year-old.
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I...
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I mean, against all of my better judgment, this dude is a wackadoo cat, and I like wackadoo
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cats, man.
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I can't help it.
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No.
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No, this is the bad kind of wackadoo.
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No, it's awful.
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He's evil.
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It's like...
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But he's just...
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So...
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Sure, fine.
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The reviews on his book are pretty fun, but there's one that I liked a bit that I want
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to read to you.
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Quote, I also recommend reading this book to anyone who finds themselves sympathetic
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to Macau's views on his website.
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It's the perfect antidote because it's painfully obvious now that the problem Macau has with
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the world is actually Macau.
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I understand people are lonely, I do, but this was a foray into the socially unacceptable.
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There's nothing wrong with an intercultural marriage or indeed traditional roles, but
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the combination of poverty, a 30-year age gap, and a three-week courtship is a bridge
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too far.
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That's a good review.
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Yeah, that's...
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No.
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Anyway, Macau, in addition to being a creep, believes that the Illuminati is behind feminism,
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homosexuality, and killing JFK, Lincoln, and James Garfield because they were getting that
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itch to print real money and overthrow the Illuminati's control of the money.
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He also believes that it was the Jews that were to blame for the Holocaust, and he's
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Jack McLamb's favorite Jew.
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I just don't want to...
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Historically, it's a bad idea to be somebody's favorite Jew, if that person is a white nationalist.
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A lot of the argument MacLamb tries to lay out in this Holocaust-denying video of his
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is based on the misuse of a headline from a 1941 publication, quote, I was Hitler's
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boss, written anonymously at the time, but we now know it was written by Captain Karl
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Mayer.
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Jack presents this as proof that there was someone, as he's sure to point out, that Mayer
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is Jewish, who was pulling Hitler's strings in the Holocaust.
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The problem is that Mayer was only Hitler's immediate supervisor between 1919 and 1920,
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when Hitler was a general staff officer.
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This is a good year before he'd become Fuhrer of the Nazi party, and 13 years before he
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would become Chancellor of Germany.
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In fact, in 1933, when Nazis came to power, Mayer fled to France, where he worked with
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anti-Nazi efforts.
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In 1941, he was hunted down by the Gestapo and thrown into Buchenwald concentration camp,
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where he was murdered.
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Interestingly, if you do read the article, I was Hitler's boss, you see some striking
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parallels with a situation that's evolving 77 years later.
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The leaders knew that to please the majority, a minority must suffer, and so the German
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Jews were made the chief scapegoats because their destruction would gain millions of votes
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for the Nazis.
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Small shopkeepers hated Jews because they owned the chain stores, farmers wished their
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destruction because they were indebted to Jewish banks, even intellectuals were jealous
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because Jews held lucrative positions in the arts and sciences and professions.
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The Nazi salesmen offered anything and everything to make the people war-minded.
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Their sales talk was, Germany is a have-not country, other nations have all the wealth,
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Germany must fight them successfully, and so be entitled to that wealth.
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The patriotic slogan, everything for Germany, was nothing more than salesmanship.
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No one cared in the least what would happen to the rest of Germany, so long as the result
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would be a restoration of the good old days.
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The further argument laid out in the piece is that Hitler was kind of a moody idiot,
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and that back when Mayer was his supervisor, he found him to be a bit incompetent.
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This doesn't prove in any way that there was a Jewish cabal pulling his strings, and in
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fact the article ends with Mayer laying out exactly what he's talking about.
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He's arguing that Hermann Göring is the real brains of the operation, and that Hitler was
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the charismatic front man, sales man that they needed, which is a far leap from Jack
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MacLamb's arguments and where he ends up taking it.
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But you see some shocking parallels to our world.
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Oh, so the government was like a team effort to be evil in Germany?
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Oh yeah, you can't just have one guy doing that.
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So not necessarily a shadowy cabal controlling him so much as a president with advisers.
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Right.
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I mean, when Bush was in office, everyone called Karl Rove Bush's brain.
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If you think for one second that the idea that people have influence and sway over even
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a dictator, and you think that's weird?
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You're crazy.
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Yeah, that's ridiculous.
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You're a childish fool if you believe that.
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But I mean, you know, I don't know what else to say other than we have an account, 1941,
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this guy very clearly explaining how the Nazis ended up solidifying a lot of their control.
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Right.
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They demonized a small group of people and kept people warm-minded, like they were saying
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that there's going to be a civil war.
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There's going to be a civil war.
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There's an invasion.
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There's an invasion.
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Oh my god.
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Immigrant invasion.
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If we don't stop that caravan, we're going to need to send in the army.
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You should always send in the army.
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Oh, and at the same time, let's take the LGBT community and just basically try and erase
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their identity from being a real thing.
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Yeah.
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In order to win over the majority, a minority has to suffer and it almost doesn't even matter
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which one suffers.
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Now the difference here they were seeing is that the majority is going to suffer in order
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for the minority to solidify their power.
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So that's going to be fun.
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Anyway.
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Yup.
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Hooray!
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Hooray!
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It's weird.
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It's weird.
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To answer the question.
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Chronicling the rise of the Nazi party in real time, isn't that surprising?
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When I saw this, I think you can understand now why this episode was a little bit difficult
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because we have this historical revision of Hitler being a patsy and set up and then completely
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unrelated to that, we have this Jack McLamb guy who clearly is a Holocaust denier and
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believes that.
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Right.
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You see so much of this and there's little things that I didn't expect to run into.
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Like, I mean, this guy, this Henry Macau going to the Philippines to get a lady.
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That's weird.
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And the review is kind of a fun day.
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He's a wackadoo cat.
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Kind of a fun distraction, maybe not so fun for that lady.
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But like reading this, I was Hitler's boss.
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I didn't expect to read this.
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I didn't expect in reading it, I'd find stuff that was a stark parallel to what we see unfolding
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in front of us.
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It's very difficult to see this and to see it all from nine years ago being very much
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spiritually what Alex was into.
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And now we see the cruelty and the sort of the mask coming off in many ways.
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And it makes you wonder how much of that was already there.
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How much, like, you know, it's hard to say how much he's changed or anything like that.
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But you know, you do have to ask yourself at a certain point, was he just having more
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fun back then and not as beaked out on his own supplements?
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Is there a chance that that's really the only fundamental change that's happened?
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That and a couple of these policies that we've, you know, net neutrality being in favor of
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Palestinians.
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But even then we see a guy clearly admiring a fascist dictatorship and part of being part
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of a fascist dictatorship as you in the ruling party is going along with whatever it is the
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ruling party says.
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You know, you read the rise of Stalinism and you see the complete destruction of reality
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even for people within the inner circle, you know, whatever ideals you started out with
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are then subsumed by whatever insanity.
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That's true even in a best case scenario.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So there's a chance that he already just had those inclinations and maybe they were late
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and they didn't come to the surface until he got the fascist dictator that he needed
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to jump on board with.
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Yeah.
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Maybe it was one of those situations where you have a gene that isn't expressed until
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the right stimulus or something like that.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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It's weird.
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That's why this was really difficult.
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You know, there's a lot of reading and it was also just difficult to figure out, like,
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how does this work?
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What does this say?
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And I don't know.
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I don't have a full conclusion other than to say, like, our opinion of him is constantly
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evolving.
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Yeah.
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And we can guarantee 100% now that if Alex was around in the rise of Nazi Germany, he
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would be a Nazi, like, wholeheartedly.
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He would have been one of those guys giving a speech.
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Yeah, he would have loved that shit.
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He had his own line of armbands he was selling.
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Ooh, those would have been really good for you.
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Probably.
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Deep Earth Iodarm band.
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Impregnated with iodine.
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Yeah.
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To give you that iodine patch.
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To give you that real hatred of the Jews you need to wake up in the morning.
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Yeah.
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This is tough.
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Because Alex Jones' worldview is largely and entirely run by anti-communist propagandists
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from the, you know, 40s and 50s, 60s, even into the 70s.
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All of that is where he gets all of his beliefs from.
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And it's unfortunate, but it is a reality that most of those people have deep roots
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to Nazis.
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Yeah.
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So does that make Alex a Nazi?
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You decide.
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Yes.
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Anyway, we have a website.
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The answer is yes.
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Don't.
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Don't decide.
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The answer is yes.
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Ah.
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But don't take my word for it.
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Don't take it.
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No, no, no.
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Double check all of your flows.
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Sure.
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Absolutely.
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Anyway, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
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Yeah, you can find us on a social media network.
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Yeah, we're there.
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You can find us on another social media network.
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We're there, too.
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You could, we've got a group within one of those social media networks.
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You bet we do.
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Totally.
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We're on places where you can get podcasts.
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Podcast distribution platforms.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We're on many of those you can leave a review if you'd like.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, you can do all kinds of these fun things.
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So many things.
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If you just type knowledgefight into a search engine.
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We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
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We're on Facebook and we're on iTunes.
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Yeah.
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That's what I'm trying to say.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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Anywhoozle.
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Look, I don't know if Alex is a Nazi.
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I don't know.
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But I do know one thing.
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What do you know?
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I do know that technically he probably killed a dude.
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Cindy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
