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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jarden.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Yes sir.
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Dan.
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What up?
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Dan.
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What up?
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Have you ever asked yourself the question of what you would do in Nazi Germany?
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I have, I have thought about that.
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I would, you know what I would do?
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I would start a podcast where I know a lot about Goebbels.
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And I don't know anything about Goebbels.
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My friend of mine knows nothing about Goebbels.
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That's probably what I would do.
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I think so.
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And maybe I did.
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I think that's pretty much exactly what we just did.
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I might have started a publication back then, like an underground zine, and then been reincarnated
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in present day because we needed to do it again.
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Oh, you think so?
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Right, right, right.
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You think we're both perhaps the reincarnations of, what, non-stop endless freedom fighters
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defeating fascism wherever we go?
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People who are created in the womb by their ancestors.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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Whatever creeping propaganda is becoming too much of a problem.
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I see what you're saying.
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We are molded in our mother's wombs and are born forth in the lineage with race memory.
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This is the creepiest conversation I think I've ever had.
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I don't like any of this.
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It'll make no sense to anybody who's new to the show.
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Yeah, if you've just started listening to the podcast, boy, go back and begin at the
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beginning.
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The real irony of that is you're asking for a way to sum up the show, and I made it more
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confusing.
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Bottom line is I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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You don't know anything about him.
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I do know a little bit about Goebbels, though.
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Yeah, but that might come to bear.
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I don't think it will today.
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I think when we're talking about Alex, knowing a little bit about Goebbels is always a good
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idea.
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It's always spiritually in the mix.
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Yeah.
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So today we got an interesting episode.
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I don't want to ruin too much about what we're going to be going over before we dive into
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it.
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All right.
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All right.
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I'm getting a little started.
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But first, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new donors.
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Hey.
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I'd like to give a shout out to a new, new wonk, new policy wonk out there.
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What's up, Zach?
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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Hey, Zach.
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Welcome to the team club.
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Team.
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We appreciate it.
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What are we?
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What are we?
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Team.
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Are we a team?
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I generally say team.
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I think we're a team.
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Yeah.
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It's a team.
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It's a crew.
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It's a posse.
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I wouldn't go posse.
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I'd like to give a shout out to another policy wonk, new joining up.
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We really appreciate it.
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Thank you so much, Jesse.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Yeah.
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I'd like to give a shout out to Jesse for joining up with the team.
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Mm.
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There we go.
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Smooth.
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Now we got it.
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Now, also, we got one, another, another person who's joined up, but they've joined up as
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a globalist.
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Oh, no.
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They joined up as a globalist?
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Diving headlong.
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Oh, shit.
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Cool.
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We appreciate it.
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Oh, so much.
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Thank you very much, Chris S. I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
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We appreciate it.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Also, I'm a big fan of hearing the globalist drop.
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I'm a big fan of hearing the globalist drop.
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It's too short now.
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It is.
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It does feel a little bit short, but also, it doesn't really hit a lot of the evil parts.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Our raptor princess, man, that gets dark.
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It does.
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That gets dark.
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Hitler's a stud.
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Yeah.
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If you'd like to become a policy wonk and support the show, you can do that by going
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to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking Support the Show, and you'll be in business.
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Yes.
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Thank you so much for everybody who has, everybody who will, and well, I hope, I hope people
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will.
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They will.
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I hope there are people in the future.
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There are people who are.
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I hope in the future.
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I pray.
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Well, I'm hoping that children are born now.
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Sure.
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Who will eventually become policy wonks.
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Policy wonk babies.
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Yeah.
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If you want to make a donation.
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Parents who still get true knowledge, right?
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Then their babies become donations.
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I don't know.
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I hope that doesn't happen.
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That's the way you become a raptor princess.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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So, Jordan.
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Fuck a raptor.
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We're recording this on Thursday, the 7th of June, and that means this episode's coming
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out on the 8th, which is one week away from us being-
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One, for real, one week.
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One week.
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Isn't that crazy?
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In Austin, Texas, at Beerland, not Doors at 9.
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Show at 10.
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We also have some stand-up comedians.
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Oh yeah.
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We also have some burlesque dancers.
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It's going to be a fucking party.
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It's going to be a mess.
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It's going to be ridiculous.
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Also, I have found a fantastic episode to go over.
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I knew you would.
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And I will not give away anything about it, but to tease.
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Dan, do you know how I knew you would find a fantastic episode about it?
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I put too much time into this.
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Is because you have spent so much time being anxious about this.
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I'm very not.
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And then the next week will be you rethinking it, rethinking it, rethinking it a million
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different times.
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And then you will come to the conclusion, Dan, that you were correct all along.
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Generally speaking, yes.
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But to tease everyone, without giving away the big picture of why this episode is awesome,
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here is...
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The sound of the Twin Towers falling.
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Oh, we're not doing that.
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Here's the first of two out of context drops from the episode we'll be going over.
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June 15th at Beerland in Austin, Texas.
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It's all about boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing,
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boing.
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I don't know if people know what that means.
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I'm a...
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You don't know if people know what that means?
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We got you.
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As all along the watchtower plays behind you.
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I think we know what you mean.
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That's a boner, baby.
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Yep.
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Here's the second.
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That's a Bob Dole is what I call him now.
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Here's the second out of context drop.
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Second hour coming up, we'll be standing up, you can go to hell.
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All right.
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So if you would like any of that to make sense.
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All right.
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Yeah, no, you're going to need to come to the show.
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10 PM Beerland in Austin, Texas.
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Yep.
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And we're really hoping that we'll be able to release this as a podcast, but because
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we are going to show up there on the day, but who knows what we'll be able to set up.
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As we learned last time, because I have that Zoom recorder, we should be able to get something.
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We'll get something out of it.
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Whether or not it's as amateurish as the last live episode, it might be.
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That one was a little bit weird.
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It's listenable, but it's certainly not what I would like.
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That last live episode we did, when you listened to that recording, you peed standing up.
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Oh, go to hell.
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Oh, go to hell.
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So today what I wanted to do was spiritual.
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I wanted to do an entire episode that would basically be a plug for our show.
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Right, right, right.
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So what I wanted-
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You wanted to set it up.
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I looked through a bunch of Austin celebrities.
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I was going to choose my favorite one and do their birthday.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I'm going to build on Ethan Hawke, because I love Ethan Hawke.
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Ethan Hawke's great.
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I'm not sure I actually love him.
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I don't know anything about him as a person, but I love his work in Richard Linklater films.
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He seems great.
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He's in at least two, maybe three, if you count Before Midnight of my favorite films.
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He has both been before, after, and during every section of the day.
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I love the first two of those.
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I am okay with the third, not positive.
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I love it.
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But they're great.
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They're great.
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What was the...
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It was Before Sunrise.
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Before Sunset.
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Before Sunset.
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Because he's got to catch a plane to go home.
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And then After Midnight.
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Yeah.
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No.
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After Midnight's the song.
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We're going to chuckle over each other.
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Oh, right, right, right.
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It's Before Midnight.
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See, now I'm thinking about Roundabout Midnight.
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You're thinking about After Midnight, we're going to let it all hang out.
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We are.
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Especially if you go to the show, if Jude-
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So I decided that Ethan Hawke's my favorite.
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His birthday is November 6th.
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I went through some episodes and there's nothing sticking out here.
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Nothing good, huh?
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I was like, you know, who else is from Austin?
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Richard Linklater.
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He's awesome.
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That's true.
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So I was like, we're going to do this thing.
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And then I looked through his birthday episodes and they weren't so great.
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So then I was like, fuck, this isn't going to work out.
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There's a lot of people from Austin, but I'm like, I'm not going through all of them.
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So then I was like, what about people whose birthdays are June 15th?
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Why did we do that?
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You just went through the whole list.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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All right.
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And so I was like, fuck, this is...
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You know what?
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It was weird.
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We will not be in Austin.
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Whose birthday is June 15th.
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No shit.
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I'll give you one clue who it is.
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Show's canceled.
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We will not be in Austin on June 15th.
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Doors at nine, show at 10.
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We won't be there because Dan is playing this goddamn song.
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There will not be some very good comedians there.
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There will be no very last show.
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Everything is over because of Dan.
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That's Bailey's theme song, pro wrestler Bailey.
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She is from, or at least she lives in Austin now, according to Wikipedia, and her birthday
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is June 15th.
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All right.
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I didn't do anything about it.
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I just wanted to play that song.
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Yeah, I noticed.
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I noticed.
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We don't have a June 15th episode.
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I'm going to kind of put that together.
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That was my way of trolling our wrestling fan listeners who were like, oh shit, is Bailey
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on Info Wars?
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That would be nice.
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No, it's not.
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That would be quite a heel turn.
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That would be crazy.
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So what I did instead was I accidentally found something else while I was looking through
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shit and it's completely crazy.
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Do you want me to just tell you what's up?
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Yeah.
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Bill Ayers was on Info Wars.
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What?
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What?
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Bill Ayers.
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Weather Underground.
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Yep.
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Weather Underground Bill Ayers was on Info Wars.
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So today we're going to be listening.
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Did he blow it up and actually Alex Jones is Bill Ayers now?
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Is that what happened?
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What's going on here?
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That didn't happen.
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Bill Ayers was on Info Wars.
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Yes.
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All right.
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I'm in.
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It's pretty great.
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I'm so in.
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So we're going to be listening to the time that Bill Ayers showed up and did a little
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dance on Alex's face.
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All right.
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All right.
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And he's delightful.
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He's a delightful man.
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Okay.
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Bill Ayers.
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For a terrorist.
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He's pretty awesome.
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He's a pretty good terrorist though.
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Yeah.
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He was my kind of terrorist.
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But I want to do, I realize I shouldn't have jumped into trying to set up the episode before
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I got into something.
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Some world news I wanted to talk about.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So there's this thing going on right now.
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You know about this thing?
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Which thing?
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Operation Backyard Brawl.
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Oh yeah.
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I was the one who let you know about that thing.
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Yeah.
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And it was Aaron Sutherland who alerted me to that thing.
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So give it up to Aaron.
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Well, I kind of, it's not fair because I already, I knew.
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Fuck off.
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You didn't know.
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You texted me back.
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Text me back.
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I knew this sort of stuff was afoot.
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I didn't know this specific instance of it.
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Did your knowledge fight sense tingle?
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Is that how that works?
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No, but I see people, I see this sort of stuff getting posted all the time.
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Now granted, this is much bigger and more focused than usual.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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For everybody who doesn't know what's going on, a bunch of weirdos found like a homeless
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encampment and they noticed that like, why is there hair dye here?
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Oh my God, there's dolls.
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Clearly pedophiles.
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And then they brought in Craig Sawman Sawyer, who we know from Infowars and he runs an organization
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called Vets for Child Rescue, which Alex Jones has given at least $20,000 to.
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And he stepped in, did his part and determined that based on no evidence whatsoever, this
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is clearly a place where children are being trafficked.
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So I was following this through the course of the day, which also made it much harder
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for me to get an episode together because I'm like, I got to figure out what's going
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on here.
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And so I started watching videos.
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Why did you ask that question?
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Because the answer to that is there isn't.
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No, no.
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But I wanted to understand what the arguments were because I don't like to dismiss these
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sorts of things out of hand.
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Even when they're ludicrous, I still want to know what they're talking about.
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Right.
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Like a couple of years ago, they did the internet, Reddit, 4chan, they did this on a much lesser
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scale.
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Like they didn't go as far with it with this Salt Lake City daycare center called Fun Time
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Kids.
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I think with this.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And everybody went nuts on it and like people started showing up.
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If you end the word kid with a Z, you're probably trafficking children for sex crimes.
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Undoubtedly.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that just makes sense.
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People started coming up with fake receipts for stuff and like trying to track, like do
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background checks on people who are allegedly involved.
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It was, it was just complete madness in terms of like the lengths people were going to just
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because this daycare center looked weird and someone posted about it on Reddit and said
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that they'd never seen anyone go in or out of it, which wasn't true.
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Of course not.
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People had like, it was fun.
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As a daycare center.
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Absolutely.
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So this turned into like this weird like week and a half, two week, it might've been even
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longer than that, but like this weird panic where people were like coming up with fan
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fiction in real time, basically about this daycare center and they're, I mean, it appears
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they're doing the same thing now with this.
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It's crazy because like just before we started recording, I was checking up on it on the
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hashtag on Twitter and apparently they found a body.
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The Patriots, the vets for child rescue and the vets, what's the, I don't know, some other
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fake organization.
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Did they put it there?
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Uh, no, but here's the thing.
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It's 30 miles away from where they were originally.
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You found a body.
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Right.
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And it's the wrong direction from Tucson from where the, it's a whole nother city.
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Yeah, but the mayor of Tucson is a Rothschild, he knows to put it 30 miles going in the wrong
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direction by the way, not related to the Rothschild.
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No, that's not important.
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His last name is Rothschild.
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There's only one Rothschild family in the history of the universe.
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Sure.
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True.
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True.
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So this is all just like, this is incredibly.
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So if you are a member of the Rothschild family, family, come on man, Tucson, you're not going
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to Tucson.
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Someone's going to get killed.
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I mean, not around this, but like the way these things are escalating from like a couple
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years ago when I was watching it with that daycare center, then Pizzagate, then now we
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have this, which is still evolving right now in terms of like where people are going to
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take the fun fan fiction narrative, how much QAnon is involved, how much they can paint
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this as some sort of a left wing Jewish thing.
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It's always the...
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When you want to make a big deal out of an unrelated person's name being Rothschild,
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you're playing on archaic anti-Semitic views.
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Yeah, you're going to find a way to blame the Jews.
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So all this is to say, I mean, I don't know what to say because I'm like, if someone were
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listening to our show that does believe that, I can't convince you that it's stupid.
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So I don't care to, I don't care to, all I have to say is strap it in because this is
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going to be happening a lot.
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There's going to be a lot of this in the future.
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Man.
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It's going to be a mess.
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Such a bummer.
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Our heads must prevail, I believe.
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Yeah.
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You would think.
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Or we got to go Bill Ayers on him.
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Yeah.
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You know, here's, boy, this is something...
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Bad transition on my part there.
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Bad transition.
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I know that one is a bad transition, but it did just jog something that I've been thinking
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about all fucking day because I read a...
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Have you read this New York Times article about one of the children who was taken away
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from...
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It was a Honduran child who was taken away from his family at the border.
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I did not.
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He was just sent to a foster home in fucking Michigan or wherever.
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I missed this one.
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And it's just the entire story of this kid.
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And I thought about that all day today.
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And the only thought I could have is, you know that thought process of like, what would
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I do in Nazi Germany if the Nazis came for the Jews next door?
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And I was like, you know that now.
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If you cooperate with an ICE agent, you would put a Jew in an oven.
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Like, that's the reality of it.
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Or at least you wouldn't hide them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know exactly what that is now.
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You can...
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You can answer that question for yourself.
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Yeah.
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So don't pretend to be the hero.
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ICE agents are Nazis.
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And if you are cooperating with them, you know, that's who you are.
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Right.
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If that's who you are, that's who you are.
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Right, dude.
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And I hope that somebody goes Bill Ayers on you.
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Right, dude.
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But guess what?
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There was an encampment, right, that had no definite evidence of child trafficking.
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Right.
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That the law enforcement did come and check and did have a cadaver dog going through.
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Right.
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And then 30 miles away, they found what appeared to be a child's skull.
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Right.
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And they don't put the pieces together and recognize that, oh, no, the reason that it
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looked like there were underground tunnels when there weren't, it was like, why is this
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so hard to find the place that these people are supposed to be in?
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Why would it be so hard?
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There's ICE agents looking for people.
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Like, oh, why would there be a child's skull in the middle of the desert?
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I don't know, maybe hiding.
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Maybe there are a bunch of people in militias that go out and knock over bottles of water
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that are left out for immigrants that cross the border.
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Odd.
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Maybe they die because of the way we treat people.
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Yeah.
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Could have something to do with that.
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So anyway, think about all that.
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Bunch of different reasons.
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Think about all that and then go fuck yourself.
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Yeah, for real.
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I don't know anybody who's peddling this backyard brawl nonsense.
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No, fuck off.
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But congratulations.
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I mean, it's entertaining.
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It did waste a good hour of my day.
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No, I know.
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I had a good laugh.
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I appreciate that.
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I had a good laugh.
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I did like that there's like, they're fucking, these people can't get their shit together
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because they're like turning on each other now.
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There's like some of these MAGA accounts are like, they're pissed off about how Jack Posobick
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is covering it.
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And they're like, this guy's a dick.
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Others of them are like, you guys trust Craig Sawyer?
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He's a hack.
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I know.
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It's like, all right guys, enjoy.
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It's like you have, you've created your monster and now deal with it.
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Yeah.
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Enjoy.
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I don't want any part of it, but what I do want a part of is listening to Alex.
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Nice.
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See, there's your transition.
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So Alex Jones has Bill Ayers on.
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This is in 2015 and I honestly have no idea why this happened.
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This just has to be a dunk fest, right?
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I've listened to this a couple of times and it's really confusing because you walk away
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with a couple of conclusions, but one of them is Alex is terrible at his job and the second
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is he doesn't know who Bill Ayers is.
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He thinks he does.
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Really?
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He thinks he does.
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Oh no.
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He has a picture in his head of like arch leftist terrorist guy, but he doesn't know
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who Bill Ayers is or what he stands for or any of his scholarship and that's going to
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be a problem for him.
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He's thinking like he's a black IRA member.
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Is that what he's thinking?
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Is that his idea?
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I don't know how to depict it other than I think he thinks he's like a guy who's running
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around throwing bombs that have like pictures of Lenin on them or something like that.
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I think now that's a fun supervillain.
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If we're going to write our Knowledge Fight comic book, which probably will happen, then
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we've got to have, see there you go.
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And then we have somebody who throws bombs with Alex's face on them and conveniently
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doesn't understand that bombs would then explode the picture.
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Right.
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Also doesn't understand that for that child that they found the skull of in Arizona to
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be related to that crime scene, the alleged crime scene on the other side of Tucson, you'd
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have to include the entirety of Tucson as part of the crime scene, which seems unlikely.
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I don't know.
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I've been to Tucson.
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It's a crime scene.
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I have too.
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It's a crime scene.
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Matt Krawer used to live in Tucson.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was a nice time.
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Went down to visit him a couple of times.
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All right.
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Got real drunk.
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Went to Juarez.
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Ooh.
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Anyway.
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That's an interesting day.
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Yeah.
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That might've been when I visited my friend in El Paso.
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I can't remember.
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That might've been a dream.
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I went to a lot of border towns when I was younger.
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Anyway.
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That's such a weird thing.
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I went to a lot of border towns when I was younger.
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That's a fun sentence to say.
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I like it.
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It tickles me so, but it does, Dan.
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Eh, you know, you gotta go buy pills or something.
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Sure.
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I always thought we were gonna do, and then it never happened.
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Buy pills?
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Yeah.
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You just always thought we were gonna buy pills?
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Yeah.
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I always thought like, hey, you know, you don't need a prescription in Mexico, so you
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go down to Mexico, you buy pills, bring it back, you're white, they're not gonna check
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you when you cross the border.
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But it never happened.
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All of that checks out.
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All we would do is go down there and get drunk with like friends of friends who lived in
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Juarez.
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Yeah.
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And it was a great time.
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Yeah.
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Mickey gifts came along.
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Yeah.
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That's a good time.
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Anyway, let's get to this first clip.
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Oh, that's right.
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I forgot we were even doing an episode about Alex Johnson.
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Yeah.
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Jesus.
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For 20 minutes.
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We were, we went long with the banter, Dan.
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Boy, I tell you what.
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Self-righteousness.
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There was some of that.
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A little.
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So in this first clip, Alex is starting off, he's gonna get in, he's getting to his introduction.
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And I say that because his introduction takes for fucking ever.
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But one of the things that he does here is something that I think that we've started
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to, not started to notice, but started to discuss as like, this is a really shitty thing
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that Alex does, where he assumes the conclusion.
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He starts off, before the interview even starts, he wants to make sure that you know how this
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is gonna end.
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Right.
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And that way he pre-inoculates the audience from like, hey, if I do a shitty job here,
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know that the reason is because Bill Ayers sucks.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It's that sort of thing.
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Also, Memento had just come out fairly recently.
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No, no, that's not true.
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Wait, what year is this?
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I don't hold that against you because your short-term memory is gone.
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I actually don't know what year this is.
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You never told me what year this was.
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Yes, I did.
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It's 2015.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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You did not tell me that.
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Yes, I did.
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All right.
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Anyway.
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We're gonna have to go to the tape.
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Check the tape.
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We're gonna have to go to the tape.
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All right, so here we go.
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Starting off.
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America has a normalcy bias.
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We've been trained to basically accept anything and everything out of these tyrants.
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But like putting paper on a hot stove, it'll brown, it'll crackle, it'll finally flash
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into flames.
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We are now reaching the flashpoint event horizon.
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I'll be quite frank.
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I don't have butterflies.
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I am physically ill thinking about Bill Ayers coming on in the next segment.
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I just know his whole M.O., I know the whole program, and I know he'll just come on here
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and deny he works for the big mega-wretch to screw everybody over.
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So there is the first instance of it.
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That is the first time, well, like, so no matter, I'm gonna ask him that.
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And no matter what he says, doesn't matter.
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You already know.
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Doesn't matter.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You already know I've made that conclusion.
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If he says yes, I am, then it'd be like, aha, I gotcha.
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Right.
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If he says no, then you know that he's lying.
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Also, what kind of answer would be like, uh, you're working for the mega-rich trying to
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destroy us all.
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And Bill is like, yeah, totally.
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You got me.
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Bingo.
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Whoa.
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How did you know?
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Also, like, cite your sources.
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Who are the mega-rich?
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What are you talking about, specifically?
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Also, you can't have a flashpoint event horizon.
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Those are four things that, those are two things that can't happen concurrently.
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Hey, listen up, dumbfuck.
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You're listening to the brainiac consciousness of the universe.
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All right, that's true.
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Also, the T-Rex of political talk.
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He can say whatever he damn well pleases, and that sentence was a masterpiece.
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All right.
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God almighty, like Obama and Obamacare meant to savage the hell out of poor people.
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I'm just so sick of these people.
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Another, assuming the conclusion.
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God almighty.
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Yep.
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It'd be bad enough if they were just dumb communists, but they're not.
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They know full well what they're doing.
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They decided to cheat humanity.
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They decided to screw everyone over.
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Let's play a great American who just died last year.
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Larry Grathwold, Vietnam veteran.
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Green Beret, 101st Airborne Division, former FBI weather undergrounded foreman who quoted
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Obama, confidant and former leader of the weather undermen, is stating that those Americans
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who could not be reeducated in communist camps of the revolution will be eliminated in malcultural
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revolution style.
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And he wrote the book, Bringing Down America, and he's dead.
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Larry, 101st, lockspot.com.
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Let's go to a clip of a man speaking from the grave.
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They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called
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the counterrevolution.
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They felt that this counterrevolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing
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reeducation centers in the Southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to
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be reeducated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be.
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I asked, well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't reeducate?
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And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.
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And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million
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people.
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That's from 1982, the documentary No Place to Hide.
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So Larry Grathwall is he's an FBI informant and what have you.
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One who quoted Obama, which no, no, no, he quoted Obama's adviser and he's referring
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to Bill Ayers.
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OK.
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He didn't quote Obama.
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No, no, no, Alex was just speaking because he just still, yeah, that was because it sounded
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like he said he's a former FBI informant who quoted Obama.
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No, no, no.
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And I was like, so just by giving an Obama quote, he's a terrible speaker.
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OK.
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This guy, Alex.
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All right.
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We heard this guy.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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It's terrible.
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I've never heard him to do that before.
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So it's important to keep in mind a couple of things.
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One of them is that Larry Grathwall has been his timeline and his characterization of things
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have been consistently challenged ever since he came out and wrote his book, I believe
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it was in 1976, about infiltrating the weather underground.
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People who were involved, i.e. Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn, have said this is bullshit.
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Also it's important.
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What?
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An FBI informant lying?
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It's also important.
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No.
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It's important to consider his background when you look at this.
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It's nothing to say that like veterans are evil.
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If someone who was, you know, a Vietnam vet who was part like a super decorated, you know,
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loved loves the army, can like his Web site is Larry Grathwall, one hundred and first
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in honor of the one hundred and first Airborne he's a part of.
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Sure.
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When he comes back stateside, the idea of him infiltrating a anti Vietnam war group,
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he's probably going to be like, I've got to make him look pretty bad.
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He might have an agenda.
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I've got to make them look as bad as possible.
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Might have an agenda.
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They are clearly the thing I am against.
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They don't respect the work that I've done out in the field or whatever.
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Which is killing people for no reason.
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So I don't I don't take I've looked into him a bit.
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And he's most furious because they were killing or not even doing that.
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They were causing violence and chaos for a reason.
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And he couldn't process the fact that all of the shit he did was for nothing.
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I've looked into him a bit and it's tough to find too much specifics about him in terms
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of like, you know, like a lot of a lot of these con men, very easy to figure out what
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they were up to.
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Right.
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And shit like that.
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He's a little bit more difficult because it was in the 70s and there's not as good of
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a record.
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And he's he's dead.
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Everybody was informing on everybody in the 70s.
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He's appeared on Infowars and his daughter has appeared on Infowars.
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So I'm going to say I don't care.
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I don't trust.
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Yeah.
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Let's talk about.
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Well, then again, Bill Ayers appeared on Infowars, apparently, so I don't know if I can trust
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anything he's ever said.
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And wait till wait till wait till this shit gets cooking.
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OK.
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So Alex still hasn't introduced him.
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Right.
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We should be clear.
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Right.
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So in this next clip, Alex gets really in that in the first clip we heard, he's setting
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the table for failure.
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He's setting the table to make it OK once he loses this argument.
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Yeah.
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So in this clip, he's setting the table for everyone to, like, feel threatened.
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Also in that in that Larry Grathwall clip you heard, he said the what they have to worry
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about these these folks is the counter revolution.
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Alex clearly believes that he is the counter revolution.
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OK.
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All right.
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He's the counter coup to the Marxist Lenin.
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Sure.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Whatever not.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So that that is part of the this clip that required.
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Which is why this becomes personal to him.
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Oh, it's very bad.
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Gotcha.
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Boy, he's bad at this.
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I have been in the room with high level communists that I didn't know were communists that I
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got out here to interview famous people.
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I'm not getting into it.
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Please.
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I witnessed it once.
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No.
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Witness what?
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Same crap sort of coming out of their mouth.
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And then we better join them and stuff.
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We better join them and stuff and join them and stuff too bad.
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We got guns.
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Second Amendment.
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No matter how big a tyranny you bring in, no matter how many false flags, even if you
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get the Civil War kicked off with the police to wipe them out and wipe most of us out.
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Sure.
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We're not stupid.
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We've got your game.
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Denying your program doesn't work anymore with us.
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So just be advised.
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Be advised.
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Big time.
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Thanks for letting me know.
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Bill Ayers is waiting on hold.
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Yeah.
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He has to be listening to this, right?
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Like Bill isn't just walking down the middle of the street going like, oh, is it time?
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And an assistant hands him a phone.
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Yeah.
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He's there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That we know what's going on and we're warning people.
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High level communists.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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And we're going to continue to warn people and we've got the jump on you.
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It's like business class Hispanics.
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If we go through this though, it's going to make some of the major wars, tanks of the
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battle in this country formed the Civil War look like a shadow of what's coming in this
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country.
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The entire Homeland Security apparatus is now focused on the counter revolution.
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Gun owners, veterans, conservatives, libertarians, patriots, hardworking people that make this
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country operate.
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Nice dog whistle.
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Uh, but he's, uh, he, what he's doing there is he's casting himself and all of his cadre
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of weirdos, uh, that, that support his worldview as being the people who are the counter revolution
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and the entire government, everything, the Homeland Security apparatus, everything, all
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the, the, uh, boats at sea, the men, the boys in blue, all of them, everything is now the
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revolution.
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A hundred percent.
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It is all communist.
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A hundred percent.
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It is.
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Do you know what you do in that situation?
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You call the A team.
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Sure.
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And the A team is Alex Jones.
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He's face.
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Uh, what else we got?
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He's also, he is not BA Baracus.
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That's Ja'Carri Jackson.
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Uh, I don't know.
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Is Ja'Carri still working in 2015?
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Yep.
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He, uh, he was around until right around the election in 2016 he was, uh, I think, uh,
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I don't know if he made it, he definitely wasn't there on election night.
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I'll tell you that much, but he was around pretty close to that.
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Gotcha.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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I'd love to talk to him.
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It's never going to happen.
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Uh, Alex, uh, in this next clip, uh, asserts that communists have taken over.
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Okay.
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They thought it couldn't happen in Germany or Russia or China or a hundred other countries.
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Plus it, we think we can't happen here.
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Baby, it is happening.
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Our borders are gone.
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Our country is being bankrupted by design.
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World planetary fascist government with a bunch of communists under it is taking hold
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just as Gary Allen warned in 1972 and none dare call it conspiracy.
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Oh boy.
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Just then.
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That's interesting.
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I don't know if I've told you this, Jordan, but I'm doing a lot of research.
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Have you been reading a lot about, uh, none dare call it a conspiracy?
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I have, man, I have.
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It's pretty crazy.
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So what is a fascist world government with communists under it?
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So is that like a hierarchy of, is that like Maslow's hierarchy or like?
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He of, uh, I don't know, I don't know.
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I mean like, uh, like, okay, so, so you got your fascist government, right?
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You're talking about the food pyramid.
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Oh, there we go.
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The fascist government would be like oils and sugars up top.
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You need the least of that.
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You got the grains of the communists on the bottom.
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Right.
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And also vegetables of communists in the middle.
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Vegetables of communists in the middle.
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I imagine actually the grains are, they're, they're the base.
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That'd probably be, uh, socialists or like, I thought that would be capitalists.
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No, no.
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Cause capitalists don't actually exist.
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Okay.
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That's fair enough.
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Well, capitalists are really just fascists at the end of the day.
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They're socialists.
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Uh, I don't know.
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This, this, the worldview, I think socialists are fruits in the food pyramid of ideologies.
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Socialists are fruits.
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When we're talking about this, like the worldview that he's espousing is essentially it.
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You can boil it down if you want to get really simplistic with it is that like, uh, the powers
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that be encourage socialism as a means of, uh, acceptable lashing out at the system.
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Right.
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Because they secretly want to create monopoly control of stuff.
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Right.
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Which capitalism definitely doesn't want to do.
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And you have socialist, uh, like, uh, Judas Goats who are leading people, like pretending
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that we're all like, Hey, you're going to get something out of this.
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You're going to get free college.
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Of course.
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Like Bernie Sanders.
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Oh, that Bernie!
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He's leading you down this path with the promises of free healthcare and what have you.
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When you walk down the road and, uh, you know, just, uh, you, you, you take your eyes off
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the prize for a second and boom, what do you know?
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You're trapped in communism.
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That sounds plausible.
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And it all works to the corporate monopolists best interests because once communism is in
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place, they can oppress all of the people who thought socialism was coming and they
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could have monopolies over everything.
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I love it.
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So Alex, you figured it out, put it on the board.
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So Alex thinks that system is already in place, I guess, and that the government and the power
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that Byzantine nonsensical fantasy, and it's so needless, like capitalism, capitalism
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works.
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It seems really straightforward.
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Just do all of that shit with capitalism.
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It's pretty crazy.
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That's why he has to combine all of these bullshit systems is because if you, if you
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really take apart capitalism as it is, you get little chunks of each of these systems.
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And so you pretend that all of these things are completely separate from each other when
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all it is you're really railing against is the capitalist system that you profess to
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love so much.
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Right, right.
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Um, the other, the other thing, um, that I think is fun is that because I have been,
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uh, spending a bit of time, uh, in this, in this world, I can tell you definitively that
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Gary Allen is stupid.
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What the guy who wrote, how dare you, the guy who wrote none, dare, none, dare call
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it conspiracy is really dumb.
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Like legitimately there is, can't believe it.
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There is no reason to think that this guy point to proof Dan.
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I will, I will.
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I'll give you a couple of pieces of proof if you want.
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Okay.
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Uh, what would you rather, uh, a piece of proof from a history or a preacher?
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Let's go with the preacher.
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So on page 10.
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That's an interesting choice that I've never had to ask myself before.
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Well this, this is, this is the, this is an example that I'll use that's actually like
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he's manipulatively lying about stuff.
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Okay.
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So here's a pattern.
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But that's not stupid.
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It's smart to manipulatively lie about stuff.
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All right, fine.
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You want to go with something stupid?
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Yes.
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I want, I want full on unmitigated stupidity.
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I want him to like, I want to have him walk underneath a, uh, a bucket of water that magic
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that just falls on top of his head.
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Well just for fun, because people might be curious, on page 10 of none dare call it conspiracy.
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Uh, Gary Allen talks about a speech by a guy named father Pedro Arrupe that was given in
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1965.
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Right.
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He takes this completely out of context to indicate that this guy was talking about the
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communist conspiracy of the elites and unfortunately you can find that speech online and I have
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and you read the whole thing and it's just about like, Catholicism needs better marketing.
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Atheism is too popular.
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That's all it is.
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That's not a bad speech.
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But if you take it wildly out of context, which you could in 1972 and a 12 year old
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Alex Jones would never be able to find the full speech of father Pedro Arrupe, you might
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accidentally...
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He doesn't know that the internet exists.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The internet doesn't exist in the same form as it did?
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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So he, the first chapter of none dare call it conspiracy, I should tell you, is called
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don't confuse me with facts.
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Oh, I thought it was call it a conspiracy and then the last chapter is none will do
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that.
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No, that's his coda at the end.
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Okay.
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Alright.
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That's the like, the Layla piano outro.
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Eric Clapton is just, call it conspiracy.
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Gotcha.
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So this, it's called don't confuse me with facts and here is him trying to make his argument
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for why people don't accept his view of the world.
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Okay.
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Which is crazy.
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Here we go.
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His view is crazy.
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Okay.
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Psychological, there's a quote from page 10.
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Psychological problems are also involved in inducing people to look at the evidence concerning
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the insiders, which is what he calls the globalists.
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Of course.
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People are usually comfortable with their old beliefs and conceptions.
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When Columbus told people the world was a ball and not a pancake, they were highly upset.
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Didn't do any of that.
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They were being asked to reject their way of thinking of a lifetime and adopt a new
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outlook.
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These quote intellectuals of the day scoffed at Columbus.
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None of that was true.
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People were afraid they would lose social prestige if they listened to him.
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Not even a little bit.
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No.
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Certainly not.
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What?
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Wait, wait, wait.
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That's not even close.
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No, no, no.
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That's embarrassing.
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He's saying that the intellectuals of the time were like, whoa, Columbus, you're out
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of your mind.
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Get out of here.
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We're intellectuals.
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You know, like that, that's, that's even that's next level.
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Even the stupid people at the time were like, yeah, it's probably not flat.
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That's fucking stupid.
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It dates back to like the third, sixth to third century BC people knowing that the world
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was rough.
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Yeah.
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You know where, you know, you know what the simplest way to know how the world is wrong.
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If you look, if you, if you look at the ship, just sail it over the ocean, it doesn't just
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fall.
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It slowly goes down.
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Columbus knew boats.
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Yeah.
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He had a couple of them.
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He was pretty good at boats.
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Um, so the reason that he was butting heads with people at the time was that he had a
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conception of the world that it was much smaller than it actually was.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He was like, we're going to get to India on this deck.
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Real quick.
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Yeah, it's going to take like a week.
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Yeah.
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So do you know where the idea that Gary Allen is working off of comes from?
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I don't.
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The idea that there was some sort of tension between Christopher Columbus and the intelligent
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elites of the day.
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I don't know.
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Why not call it Galileo?
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No.
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It would also be a misunderstanding because Galileo got in trouble with the, the religious
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people of the time and it wasn't about the earth being flat.
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Oh no, no.
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It was cause he was a dick to the, yeah, it was mainly cause he was a dick.
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But it was also about heliocentrism.
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It was about whether or not the earth revolves around the sun or the sun around the earth.
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See now that wasn't as much a, a, a factor as people think it was.
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But also the roundness or flatness of the earth is also not.
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He was confined to house arrest because he was a dick.
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Like his patron was in the Catholic church at the time and he wrote all of these letters
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and then he just put it out in this book like, I was, you know, certain people are fucking
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stupid and he was talking about this guy.
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I was just trying to give an example of why that would be a possible way you could be
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confused about it.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I gotcha.
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Um, it turns out that this idea though that Columbus was, uh, wasn't Copernicus the guy
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who did the heliocentrism, but also the, uh, I've looked, I'm just fucking with you.
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So the, the storyline of Christopher Columbus being at odds with the intellectuals of the
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time.
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Yes.
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It comes directly from the fictitious plot of the 1828 book, the life and voyages of
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Christopher Columbus.
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Okay.
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It was written by Washington Irving.
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I was about to, if you say it was the same guy, I was going to lose my mind.
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No.
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He's a thousand years old.
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Washington Irving at that point was most famous for having written Rip Van Winkle and The
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Legend of Sleepy Hollow.
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Great books.
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He wrote a fictitious history of Christopher Columbus and the time and Gary Allen, who
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wrote None Dare Call It Conspiracy, is using it as the centerpiece of his first chapter.
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Doesn't get more factual than the guy who wrote about the headless horseman.
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Because he goes on in this next passage also about the same topic right after the one I
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just read.
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And the typical flat earthers had such a vested interest involved in their own egos that they
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like Kyrie Irving, that they heaped abuse on Columbus for challenging their view of
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the universe.
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Who?
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Don't confuse us with facts.
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Our minds are made up.
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They said.
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What?
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So he took his, he took the name of his first chapter legitimately from him not knowing
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dick about history and taking it all from a Washington Irving fictional history of Christopher
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Columbus.
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Gotcha.
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Gotcha.
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So this is Alex being like, he predicted that socialism was going to take over through communism.
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This is a guy who is writing a conspiracy book, but believes that the man in the high
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castle is real.
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Like he's writing now about our history and he's like, see, the thing is time travel is
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possible and there are multiple dimensions and that's why the government won't allow
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you to cross the border because the border is actually a dimensional border.
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That's the trick.
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And they won't fucking tell you.
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I don't want to put too fine a point on this, but I don't think there's time travel in man
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in the high castle.
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Eh, fuck it.
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Once you get into dimensions, eh, you're into time travel.
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At any rate, that's the kind of book we're dealing with when we talk about Gary Allen's
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none dare call it conspiracy.
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It's a book of fiction written on a book of fiction.
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That's not to even bring into like, you know how in end game when we were going through
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it, there were all the like just quotes that were made up?
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Yes.
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He does that too.
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Of course.
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He makes up quotes.
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Okay.
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There's just so much shit.
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It's crazy how bad this book is.
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All right.
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So he is stupid.
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You've proved that to me beyond a reasonable doubt.
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It's super fun that Alex is bringing that up at the beginning of this, uh, this, uh,
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and that's how we're going to get rid of Bill Ayers.
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So now we're three and a half minutes into the intro of Bill Ayers.
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Right.
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Still have not heard from him.
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And we are 85 minutes into the intro of this podcast.
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Jesus Christ.
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43.
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But yeah, so I know now that this is really shitty of me to have named this clip.
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Alex doesn't know how to do brief intros because it might be, it might be a pot kettle situation,
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but anyway, here's that clip.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are now in to the second hour of this worldwide broadcast and
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I've got to hand it to him, uh, joining us here on the 20th day of January, 2015.
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On this Tuesday, Bill Ayers, you can say what you want about him.
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He is more than happy to go out and debate people that I guess he disagrees with.
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And he's the former head of the weather underground distinguished professor of education and senior
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university scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
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I'm not going to go over all the things that he's been involved in.
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Ayers has written extensively about social justice, democracy and education, the cultural
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context of schooling and teaching as an essential intellectual, ethical and political enterprise.
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He is a former vice president of the curriculum division of the American educational research
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association, a member of the executive committee of AERA council.
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His articles have appeared in the Harvard educational review.
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I'm not going to go over all of it.
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Bill Ayers dot O R G. And I think what I want to do today is just let him have the floor
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the first three, four or five minutes and say what he has to say, because we were reached
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out to first by some of his people.
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That's his way of saying like, I didn't I didn't ask for this.
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Yeah, I didn't know this was going to happen.
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This is this is going to I'm preemptively letting you know, one, how I hope this ends
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to that whatever it is he says is a lie, right?
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Because if I don't let you know that you're going to watch me get my ass kicked and all
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up and down the floor and all of his areas of scholarship and shit are kind of to be
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mocked.
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Yeah.
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Oh, dude.
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God.
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He was he was reading that resume and you're like, shit, that dude's got a resume.
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And then you go back and look at other Infowars guests and it's like he is the captain of
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the happy, fun ship Boat Night at Bunker Land on Tuesdays.
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He runs trivia at a local bar.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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And he runs he runs anti-communist trivia.
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We've got a guy who will sell you a postcard with all the words you need to never get arrested.
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All you need to know is that Alex would have fucking Gary Allen on every day if he could.
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So that should tell you.
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There you go.
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Resume.
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And I'm glad this this discussion or debate is now finally happening.
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They want to talk about common core education, things like that.
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That's fine.
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I want to get into Obama and the legacy.
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I mean, I know Ayers was his mentor.
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I think Obama even lived with him for a while and he could correct me if I'm wrong.
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And so, I mean, is is Obama the messianic socialist leader they thought would come or
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or will that be another spoiler?
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I mean, was Mao the Messiah?
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Was it Lenin?
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Was it Stalin?
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I want to understand this.
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So Bill Ayers joins us.
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We'll also ask him about Larry Graswold, the FBI informant, and that clip you just heard.
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Does he say that's true?
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Or is that not true?
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So Bill Ayers, thank you so much for coming on with us today again.
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Bill Ayers dot o r g.
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Thank you very much.
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All right.
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That is Bill Ayers.
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That's the boy.
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Boy, he's there.
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He's there.
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He's for real there.
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This isn't a prank.
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He just learned.
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He just heard that intro.
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Yeah.
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I would leave.
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That's a weird intro to hear and then still be like, well, let's fucking do this.
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There's at least 20 points in this interview that I would have left.
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Yeah.
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And there's a bunch of points where Alex has his mic turned way down so he can talk over
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him.
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There's points where his mic is clearly turned off where he's saying like, that's not fair.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Like you're making a point.
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You're full of shit.
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Right.
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That's what I think.
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There's a bunch of points where like his mic is off and he's just laughing.
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Like it's clearly he's just like, what are we doing?
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Bill Ayers does not know who Alex Jones is.
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No, of course not.
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That should be, that should be.
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See, now that's what makes this fun.
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Right.
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He doesn't really know what the fuck is going on right now.
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One of them should.
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One of them should.
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One of them has a responsibility to know because it's his show.
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Yeah.
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The other one.
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Anyway.
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So in this first clip, Alex accuses, uh, J'accuse, uh, uh, uh, Bill of being a communist.
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And this is his answer.
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Then let me just start with communism because most communists say they're socialist, but
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then when you get around them in person, they, they start telling you about violent overthrows
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and the plan to take over.
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Do you endorse the type of communism we saw in Russia, in China or, or how would you really
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describe yourself?
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Well, the answer to your question is no, but you know, I've been a person in my whole life
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as an educator.
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I've opposed the notion of labeling people in a simple minded way, but yes, I am opposed
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to capitalism.
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I think capitalism is a predatory system.
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I think it's a system that leads to racism, exploitation, et cetera.
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So yes, I'm anti capitalist and I am in favor of participatory democracy, which has been
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true my entire adult life.
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And that includes global democracy and it includes economic democracy.
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Right now, this clip isn't over, but right now you can see in Alex's face, I got to make
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sure I don't let him talk.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So yes, all of those things are true.
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I wouldn't, if you want to put a label on me complicated because I would say on the
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first amendment, I'm a fundamentalist.
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I am fundamentally in favor of the first amendment on the question of the economy.
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I tend towards socialism of a democratic nature in terms of the government.
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I'm more of an anarchist or a left libertarian than anything else.
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So it's hard to put a single label and say, well, this is what you represent.
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No, it's not true, but I am definitely.
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I believe that we need more democracy in any democracy.
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The solution to our problems is more democracy, more participation.
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So that's what I fight for.
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Let's come at it from this angle then, have you changed or how have your views changed
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since you were one of the core people in the weather underground?
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That's tough to hear.
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That's a tough, that is a tough way to present yourself when you're the host of a show.
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Like you just like, you let this guy say a very cogent explanation for like, I know that
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you're calling me a communist, but realistically a person's much more complicated than that.
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I have a bunch of different facets to my philosophical beliefs.
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I'm crying.
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Well, but then long pause.
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Have you changed?
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Can we go somewhere else?
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Right.
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Because Alex doesn't.
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You're playing on your game.
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I would prefer it if you played mine.
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Well, one of the unfortunate things, well, it's not unfortunate, but it's unfortunate
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for Alex.
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But one of the things is that like, as this goes along, you're going to see Bill Ayers
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saying a bunch of shit that Alex agrees with.
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Yeah, of course.
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And Alex doesn't realize that going in.
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No, he can't.
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I hate this guy.
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I have to set him up because he's a fucking, he's Obama's mentor.
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He was a terrorist who was trying to create reeducation camps because Larry Grafwalt lied
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about it.
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But in principle, and in terms of the real world, they're fairly similar.
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What Alex just heard was an actual description.
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Time out.
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What?
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I accidentally said that they're fairly similar.
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What I meant by that just because they're, you know, I don't want the listeners to think
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I think that.
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Right.
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A lot of the good principles that Alex pretends to believe in, Bill Ayers believes in and
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lives.
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What Alex just heard was a definition of what you could call a classical liberal.
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And so when he hears that, he has to be like, I can't allow that.
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I'm not sure if that's true.
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I mean, no, no, no, I'm not saying that it's a, I'm not saying that it's a perfect comparison.
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I'm just saying that all of the stuff he described is stuff that Alex wants to co-opt and imagine
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that he is the, he is the description of those things.
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That's a good way to put it.
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But when he finds out that there is somebody who actually lives those things and he's a
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fucking fraud who actually is a conservative fascist asshole, he can't handle that.
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But to be fair, at this point, he still hasn't, I mean, he hasn't joined team Trump in this
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point of 2015.
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He's still got a conservative fascist leaning to him.
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Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
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But they, they talk a little bit and I haven't cut out much from this because some of the
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exchanges that they have are not to be believed.
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They're so bizarre.
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Okay.
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But in this, in this next chunk, we find the two men coming together in what Bill Ayers
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would call a point of unity.
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Let's come at it from this angle then.
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Have you changed or how have your views changed since you were one of the core people in the
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weather underground versus 2015?
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Well, I mean, I'm now 70 years old, so of course I've changed.
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I change every day as you do and all of us change.
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But in terms of fundamental values, I am deeply opposed to war.
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I'm deeply opposed to imperialism.
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I'm deeply opposed to white supremacy.
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I've been an ally of and fighter for the black freedom movement and for anti-colonial struggles.
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So in that sense, I haven't changed.
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I think the wars that we're involved in now are catastrophic, not just for the rest of
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the world, but for America itself.
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And I think that we should, I, in that sense, I don't know where you stand on any of these
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issues.
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I've never talked to you.
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I've never read anything you've written.
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I've never heard your show, but I'm wondering, are you closer to Rand Paul when it comes
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to militarism or are you closer to John McCain?
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Oh, I'd be Ron Paul.
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So you've got Ron Paul over on the libertarian end.
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You've got his son unfortunately moving towards the middle.
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You've got John McCain completely mentally ill and in shame.
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Well, exactly.
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In that sense, we have a point of unity because I think we should call close all foreign military
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bases as Rand Paul does.
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I think that we should downsize the Pentagon by about 90%.
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I think we should stop the war industry.
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I think we should stop arming the, the dictators and petty fascists all over the world.
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I think we should become a nation among nations, not the Uber nation, not the controller of
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everything.
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So in that sense, Alex, we've already found a point of unity.
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What is your view of Barack Obama then?
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I did not edit this.
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I did not.
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I did not edit this.
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This is so fun.
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I didn't just like splice it to be like, Oh, here's him asking it out of context question
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because he can't answer that.
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He can't, he can't rebut that because shit, all of those things, I'm like, I am in favor
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of those things.
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Or at least I am supposedly in favor of all those things.
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But also I'm supposed to hate Bill Ayers.
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I'm supposed to hate this guy and I kind of want to fuck him.
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Yeah.
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Oh, if only you weren't black.
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He's not black.
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I know.
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Oh, okay.
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I'm just fucking kidding with you.
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Oh, okay.
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Come on, man.
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What are we doing?
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Cause he's near a, cause he's, are we doing a scene?
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No.
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Cause he's a, cause he's Obama's mentor.
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Like that's, that's the idea behind that.
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Like he's really screaming.
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He's really lashing out at Obama through Bill Ayers.
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Ah, somewhat.
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That's the idea behind him.
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I think so.
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That's what his, that's what his entire concept of Bill Ayers is, is that Obama is this guy.
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I would be fascinated to know if he had any interest in Bill Ayers before the, uh, zero.
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I don't know.
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Zero percent.
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Maybe.
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Zero percent.
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I don't know.
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How many people, how many people even focus of like fears about cultural Marxism and stuff
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like that.
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That's the John Birch Society fears.
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That's the world that Alex and his dad sort of come from.
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So I could see, I could see him being a name that Alex was aware of.
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How many people were even aware of Bill Ayers period before Fox News went apeshit on him
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being associated with Obama?
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You can't imagine that Alex has researched.
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I think I was.
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I knew who Bill Ayers was.
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I didn't.
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One of my friends, uh, not growing up, but in college was Kyle Ayers, comedian out of
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L.A. now.
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Sure.
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So of course.
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Had a roast.
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I accused him of being Bill Ayers son.
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Okay, there you go.
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Something about him bombing all the time.
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That sounds, that sounds like a medium joke, which is good for a roast.
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For a roast?
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That's amazing.
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My first year of comedy, certainly.
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I'll take a medium.
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Um, so we get there at the end of that clip, we see, we hear him ask out of, out of left
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field pivoting over to what do you think of Obama and let's find out what does Bill Ayers
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think about Obama?
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Cause Alex would assume that it's, I love the guy.
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No, and this is at the end of Obama's tenure.
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So Bill Ayers has watched all of those things that he just described that he didn't want
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done being expanded by Obama.
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Well, what is your view of Barack Obama then?
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I've always had the same view of Barack Obama as long as I've known him.
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I've known him for a long, long time.
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Barack Obama, as he said of himself in the 2008 campaign and as he said, as he's defined
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himself all through his political life, he says of himself, I'm a moderate middle of
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the road, pragmatic compromising politician.
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That's who he said he is.
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That's who he is.
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The right wing looked at him and said, no, he's not that.
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What he is instead is a secret Muslim who cows around with terrorists and has socialist
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ideas.
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I have yet to see a socialist idea come out of Barack Obama.
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Are you kidding?
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Are you talking about free community college and open borders?
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Let me just say the left wing looked at Obama and said, I think he's winking in my direction,
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but it wasn't true.
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Obama is a moderate middle of the road, pragmatic politician.
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That's who he said he was.
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That's who he is.
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Now that hasn't occurred for seven years, you can examine his record.
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You don't have to.
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Sure.
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Hey, Bill Ayers.
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Bill Ayers is our guest.
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Professor Ayers.
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Look, very good tactics about getting a point of unity.
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Why, if you were a Green Beret in a village with the village elders having a debate, you'd
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find that first point of unity common ground in a month, you'd have them fighting for you.
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And I understand that, but you're not a Green Beret.
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You fight for a different army.
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Who funds you?
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Oh boy.
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Oh boy.
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So now we've reached the point, maybe two minutes into them talking, Alex has heard
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Bill Ayers say a bunch of stuff that he ostensibly should agree with.
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When he realizes I cannot let this man talk anymore, I must attack him.
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I have to attack aggressively and from here on out, we are just going to hear two people
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have a bad time with each other because Alex can't handle it and he has got to be a dick.
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He's got to be a fucking dick.
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Alex, well, this is a smart move on Alex's part.
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Undoubtedly.
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No.
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This is the best move.
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Smart move.
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Fake tech difficulties.
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Get him off the fucking line.
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Put it on Rob Do.
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Right.
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No, that is, that is a good, that is a smarter move is to be like, ah, this guy, he blew
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up his own phone.
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Like that, that's a smart move.
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Rob was eating a Caesar salad.
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He was walking around accidentally, banged his head on the transmitter.
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We lost the signal.
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But if you're committed to doing this interview, what you have to do, what he does really well
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right there is say, um, you're lying about everything.
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Who is paying you?
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Also also also characterize the idea of us agreeing on something as being an evil attack.
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It's a tactic that you're using.
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Exactly.
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No, that's, that's a brilliant thing.
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All right.
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And in a certain, and then why try and find another point you agree on.
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Exactly.
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What's the point of even talking if you're like, well, we're never going to agree on
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anything.
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Yeah.
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And then also there's a hope you can weaponize confusion.
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Yeah.
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Like hope you can do that.
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Cause that's, that's going to be his game.
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Yeah.
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And trying to keep Bill Ayers confused and just praying it works for the best.
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Right.
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So, uh, well he's really, as we've seen so many times, Bill Ayers is smart.
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Oh yeah.
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Alex.
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Not so smart.
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Dumb.
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Not so smart.
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And so he thinks Gary Allen is smart.
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Yeah.
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So he is using the powers of the dumb to fight against the smart, which is yelling, saying
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confuse.
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No, I know you are, but what am I, I know you are, but what am I right?
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Yeah.
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Oh, we nevermind.
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I don't want to get into it.
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I was just going to talk about how that is now applying to Twitter.
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Uh, and this whole backyard brawl, it's all they're doing is yelling a whole bunch.
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That's all you got to do.
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Um, so Alex wanted to ask in that last clip who funds you.
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And this is his way of following up on what he said before the interview, where it's like,
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he's going to come in and pretend that he doesn't get paid by all the mega rich.
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So here's where this goes.
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This is like, this is nuts.
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Okay.
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Who funds you?
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Cause I've read you're connected to the Ford foundation, Carnegie and others.
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Have you ever gotten any funding from those guys?
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Never.
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And I don't even know what that means.
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Who funds me?
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I'm a retired professor.
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I live modestly like other retired professors.
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I'm not sure what you're saying.
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There's not a CIA program back to the fifties to fund liberation theology that I know you're
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fully aware of at university campuses.
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I hear your paranoia eating through, but I don't know what you're talking about.
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Liberation theology has nothing to do with campuses.
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It's a movement within the Catholic church.
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Is it a left wing movement in the Catholic church?
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Yes it is.
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Does it come out of Brazil?
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It does.
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Does Pope Francis to some extent, uh, is he some extent influenced by that?
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Apparently he is.
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Oh boy.
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That has to do with me.
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Are you excited about Pope Francis and his, uh, liberation theology?
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It's hard for me to get excited about a Pope.
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Uh, I know that for those of you who are Catholic, he's infallible.
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So I guess the Catholics must be excited about him.
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I think that when he says, who am I to judge?
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And when he opens himself to the possibility of greater freedom for women, I think those
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are good things.
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And of course, carbon taxes for George Soros.
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I'm not sure what that means, Alex.
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I mean, I know you've got the, a big paranoid background that's somewhere bubbling up, but
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I don't understand.
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I thought you don't know who I am.
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Hold on a minute.
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First of all, real easy to tell you have a big paranoid background based on the last
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couple of things you said.
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Also, Alex, revealing that you, like what you just said, whenever he says, I think you
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don't know who I am, is him being like, I have a paranoid background.
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I'm a paranoid asshole.
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That's who I am.
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It's like, Oh, you can't wait.
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You saw through me immediately.
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That is how dare you.
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That is kind of an admission that like, Oh, you'd only know that if you'd studied my work.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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What he didn't get was instantly, he's like, also Alex was pissed off that he used the
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word eek because he doesn't understand that word, which is why he kind of giggled, eek.
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A big paranoid background.
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Mao killed 84 million people, according to the Chinese government.
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The CIA says 60 million.
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Are you saying that I shouldn't be worried about communism?
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I didn't say that at all.
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You said something about George Soros.
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I don't know anything about George Soros.
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All right, let me ask you this.
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I don't know what you're drawing on.
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You know nothing about George Soros.
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I said, when you say this is a George Soros connection to Pope Francis, I don't know what
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you're talking about.
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No, I wasn't saying that.
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Yes, he did.
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Yes, he did.
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He did.
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Word for word.
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No, not really.
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It's about the Pope's liberation theology.
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Right.
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He's trying to somehow getting carbon taxes that fund George Soros.
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Right.
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So there is a connection that he's implying between George Soros and the Pope.
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So him saying I didn't say that, absolutely not true.
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Hold on.
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And I was about to get into asking you about George Soros, who is funding liberation theology.
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Does George Soros support liberation theology?
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I have no idea.
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I don't know much about liberation theology, and I know nothing about George Soros except
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what I read occasionally in the newspapers.
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Well, I mean, community organizing, stirring up groups, that's basically domestic liberation
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theology.
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Reverend Wright was a...
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Slow down.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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Slow down.
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Slow down.
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You're throwing out a lot of shit at the same time.
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What the hell are you talking about?
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I...
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So there's a lot in that clip.
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I am a professor and I am used to having arguments with professors, which center on ideas, wherein
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we communicate regarding those ideas.
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We stay focused on the topic.
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Using that topic, we then take angles towards it and we try and see where each other lands,
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and then we try and convince each other of our positions and whether or not they are
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superior or inferior or perhaps equal to each other.
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You, however, have taken everything I've said, ignored it, and then gone into a completely
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different direction and pretended that that's the same thing.
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And mischaracterized maybe everything.
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I had a...
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When I was in college, I took a class on the Torah and my professor was a guy named Yossi
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Feintuch.
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Oh, that's actually...
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Rabbi Yossi Feintuch.
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That actually stands for Liberation Theology in Yiddish.
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Probably.
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That's exactly what that is.
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I don't remember a ton of what I learned about the Torah because, I mean, quite frankly,
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you know, I knew the Old Testament stuff, you know, wasn't that great.
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You had a leg up.
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It was a fun class to take, but two things I really remembered about him were more experiential
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in the class.
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He loved talking.
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Everybody...
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A lot of conversations, free-flowing conversations.
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He's a good rabbi.
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Yeah, totally.
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A good rabbi is a loquacious man.
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Yeah.
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And one of the things that he impressed upon us really early in the semester was the beginning
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of any kind of, like, real conversation you can have with anybody is a definition of terms.
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You have to be sure that you're talking about the same thing before you can get anywhere.
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And I don't think they're doing that at all.
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No.
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And I don't think that's Bill's fault.
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I think that's Alex's fault.
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No, I'm pretty sure Bill was trying.
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He's trying to nail down what are we talking about.
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If we are going to talk, let's talk about a thing first.
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I'm ready to talk about Liberation Theology.
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If you want to talk about that...
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Yeah.
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I'm gonna be honest with you.
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I don't know a lot about Liberation Theology.
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But I can at least have that conversation if that's what you're talking about.
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Now we got to jump to George Soros.
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I don't know anything about George Soros beyond what I read.
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But I know something about the pope, but I don't know a lot about the pope either.
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It's also hard for me to get excited about a pope.
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I'm not really.
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I'm also not saying I like this pope.
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I'm really not a pope guy in all honesty.
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So yeah.
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Yeah, but you are.
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No.
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Okay.
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Well, but...
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And then the second thing that I remember about Rabbi Feintuch's class was that he had
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this thing that he would always tell us about.
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There was a...
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You should always...
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There's a rash?
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Yep.
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Moving on.
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No.
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He had an idea that he liked to espouse.
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I think he mentioned this a couple of times throughout the class.
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The idea that in life you need to go about your relationships by looking at them and
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assessing what they're bringing to your life.
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And if they don't bring you something positive, you can walk away from them, which is an interesting
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idea and something nice to hear when you're 18, 19, an entry-level religious studies class.
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If I were Bill Ayers, I would recommend you do that and end this interview early.
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Alex, what is our relationship bringing to my life?
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Not much.
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Gotta go.
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Because he could have hung up at any point.
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Any point.
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Yeah.
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Well, but he's...
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What I hear right now is him going into full-on educator mode.
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This is him not being able to...
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Sort of.
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This is the asshole in your class who is just trying to get you.
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You've got 50 people in a fucking room and everybody is like, I'm hungover and I just
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wanna go to my next class or whatever the fuck it is we're doing.
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And there's this one asshole who everybody turns and looks at and is staring daggers
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at.
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We're gonna be here another 25 minutes.
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But the professor is like, my job is to educate you.
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So I'm going to do my job to the best of my ability and that's where you get into trouble
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with Alex.
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There's something.
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Because there's no education for Alex.
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There's something to that.
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And in the last clip, we ended with trying to be like, why do you think that...
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Alex was saying that community organizing is just liberation theology.
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Makes sense.
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That's what prompted Bill to say, slow down.
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Yeah.
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Here's where we go with that.
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Slow down.
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That's liberation theology.
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Community organizing is stirring up groups.
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What's wrong with community organizing?
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No, no.
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That's a name.
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Radicalizing people has then been named community organizing and is funded by the big billionaires
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to destabilize.
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Well, listen, I want you to have a counterpoint to that.
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When we come back, Bill Ayres is our guest.
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It is very interesting.
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Bill Ayres.org.
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Stay with us.
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Fake laugh.
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Alex is laughing because he knows what he's doing.
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I know what he's doing.
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I've known what he's doing this entire time.
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It's not hard to guess.
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He is going to accidentally say what he's doing in a little bit.
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No.
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But before he does that...
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Such the weakest link in the chain.
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Before he does that, he explains after they come back from commercial, because he doesn't
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give them a chance to rebut or say...
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Oh, he doesn't?
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He wants him to come up with a rebuttal.
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He just doesn't want him to say it.
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He doesn't offer that time, but he does explain some more of his feelings about none dare
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call a conspiracy, and then he lies about China at the end of this clip.
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All right.
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Bill Ayres is our guest.
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This is a short six-minute segment, a long 18-minute segment's coming up, so we can really
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get into a serious discussion.
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If he's up for it, we'll open the phones up, so I guess supporters and attractors can call
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in.
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Here's where I stand, Professor Ayres.
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I don't know if you've read None Dare Call a Conspiracy by Gary Allen.
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I read that book back when I was like 14 years old.
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Much than pretty much all of it has been proven to be accurate from my perspective, where
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ultra-rich crony capitalists fund socialist and communist movements, but also fascist
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movements because they like to deal with command and control systems with domesticated populations.
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I think that history's shown that collectivism delivers hell on earth and forced work camps.
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That's why I disagree with you fundamentally, and I guess you believe that we have a real
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form of capitalism, and you disagree with that.
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I don't believe we have capitalism.
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I believe we have fascism sitting on top of a socialist management system, and that the
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left-right paradigm that's taught is a fraud.
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What do you say?
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I have no idea what you're talking about, but I think that I agree with you on against
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forced work camps, I'm against slavery, I'm against nuclear holocaust, I'm against military
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bases abroad.
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That, I understand.
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I don't know what you're talking about crony...
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I know finance capitalism is one of the great dangers in the world today, but I don't know
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what you mean about them funding socialists.
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What socialists have they funded?
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And if you say, well, they funded Barack Obama, I see no evidence that Barack Obama is a socialist
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in any sense at all.
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It's been declassified that the CIA did indeed put Mao Tse Tung into power in 1949.
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Where do you find that?
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That's fascinating.
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History Channel, but it was previously declassified.
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I've never heard of that, but that's fascinating, and Mao Tse Tung is no hero of mine, so there
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we are.
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So there we are.
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There we are.
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Oh man, if you're called...
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Where'd you find that?
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History Channel.
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If you are Alex Jones, and you are fucking called on in class to be like, where did you
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come up with that?
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History Channel.
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That's what I've seen on the History Channel.
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Ancient aliens, bro.
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Ancient aliens.
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I've seen a lot of shit on the History Channel.
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That's crazy.
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He can't come up with like the real, because I'll tell you what, spoiler alert, the CIA
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didn't put Mao Tse Tung into power.
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They didn't?
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No.
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The CIA was formed in 1947.
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Oh.
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Right?
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Mao Tse Tung came into power in 1949.
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That was their first act.
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Officially.
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That was their first act.
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Officially.
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Yeah.
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But he was already pretty much in power before that.
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To make it official.
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No, because...
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The CIA was created to make Mao Tse Tung officially.
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So there was a war going on for control of China.
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Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Tse Tung had sort of differing opinions on things.
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Oh, do they?
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Yeah.
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And so what ended up happening was around 1946 or so that we decided we should be backing
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Chiang Kai-shek, but it's going to be a huge hassle.
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Little bit behind on that one.
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It's gonna be too much.
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It's a lot of work.
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China's tough to govern if you're Chinese.
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Yeah.
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And so we withdrew support because we knew that it would be an expenditure of lives and
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unbelievable amounts of resources.
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And so to the extent that the United States government decided to not get involved on
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behalf of someone who was our ally, yeah, we did do that.
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We passively allowed Mao Tse Tung to come into power, perhaps, because they knew that
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was what was gonna happen.
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Right.
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Even in 46, they knew that Mao was probably going to win that clash.
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Well, I mean, immediately following the, because at this time we're still dealing with the
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ramifications of the Rape of Nanking.
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And that's when you get into, like, if you have a foreign power decimating your entire
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population, you're gonna wind up getting a nationalist leader who says he's going to
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protect you from the foreign powers.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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So, but that was in 46, CIA forms in 47, Mao is officially in power in 49.
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The timeline does not work in any way that, like, oh yeah, within a year and a half of
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the CIA forming, they were able to craft their ability to put into power a dictator in the
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biggest country in the world.
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You're misunderstanding that the CIA was only officially put into place.
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Fine.
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There you go.
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Fine.
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We're talking about the secret CIA.
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This is where...
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We're talking about the black CIA.
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This is where Bill Ayers would do a jack-off motion.
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That's kind of what he was doing when he was like, where did that come from?
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History Channel?
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Alright, buddy.
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The History Channel, but it was declassified before.
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Congratulations on that shit sentence.
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That's real bad.
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I am a big fan.
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But for some reason, I just love the idea of a completely reasonable person suddenly
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being confronted with the most unreasonable person, a person the type of which this guy...
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Like Bill Ayers...
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But also, the person who you're casting in the role of the most reasonable person set
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off bombs.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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But in my world, that is the most reasonable a person can be.
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Seems like a reasonable thing to do.
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To be honest, right now, that seems like the most reasonable option.
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Fair enough.
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But just this like, oh, no, you exist.
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That's what I hear in this interview the whole time, is just, I'm fucked, aren't I?
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You're an insane person that represents a movement of insane people, and I am not going
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to reach you.
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I don't know.
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You might be projecting too much of the teacher spirit, because I...
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I'm projecting a ridiculous amount.
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Because this goes on, and I don't think at any point Bill was mad.
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I think he was at best annoyed.
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I'm not saying he's mad, I'm saying he's more crestfallen.
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I believe he's crestfallen.
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No.
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Yes.
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I think he may be for a second, and then it passes quickly into intellectual superiority,
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and just like, eh, let's try to have some fun here.
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I'll try and figure out what he's talking about.
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We could talk about it if he will actually say what he's talking about.
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So he starts turning Alex into a puzzle.
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Kind of, yeah, yeah.
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Bill airs, stops having a conversation, and starts playing Sudoku.
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He's on for an hour.
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You gotta...
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That can't be real.
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That can't be real.
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He's on for an hour?
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Yeah.
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That's ridiculous.
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At that point...
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Refuse.
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All right.
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That clip, I think, went so poorly for Alex that, at this point, he's just gotta like...
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I think he was hoping to hold on to the bombings.
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That part...
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Right, right, right, right.
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I think he was hoping...
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That's his back pocket.
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I think he was hoping that it'd be a Trump card for him, but he's like, I gotta get to
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it.
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So he just gets petty about the bombings real early in the interview.
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He throws this out.
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You're speaking academia speech where you're this nice, mild-mannered guy, and you're there
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with your significant other, Bernadine Dorn.
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I guess you guys were never involved in any bombings or anything, right?
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No, that's not true.
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We were involved in trying to stop the murder of 6,000 people a week by our government that
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dragged on for 10 years.
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We conducted...
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I was involved in non-violent cities.
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I was involved in all kinds of tactics that were legal.
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And eventually, we did turn to what I would call extreme vandalism.
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We destroyed property to raise a screaming opposition to the murder of 6,000 people.
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You didn't bomb police officers or blind police officers.
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Not at all.
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Nothing like that ever happened.
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I know it's part of the narrative of the right, but it's just not true.
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Really?
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So Weatherman bombs never wounded police.
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I'm sorry?
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Weatherman bombs never wounded police.
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Never.
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Because you know what I'm gonna do with all this.
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We're gonna take this live interview and then take clips of what you're saying and then
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show them throughout.
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That's the whole point.
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That's the whole point.
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Hey!
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So there's the part where Alex accidentally reveals...
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You know what I'm gonna do with this interview?
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I'm going to take the things you say, I'm going to edit them to say what I want them
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to say, and then I'm gonna overlay them with the things that you don't want me to say.
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I'm using you as a prop to some extent.
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Alex, do you think you're the fucking first person to ask him about this?
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Yeah.
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He has been a professor for how long?
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How many job interviews do you think started with, are you gonna bomb us?
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Like come on!
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The FBI fucking grilled him about this.
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No shit!
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Like it's crazy.
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What are you talking about?
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Oh yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, I've made it through my entire life, but you know what, Alex, you got me.
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Come on!
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I understand the impetus to perhaps paint things in a way to say that you never hurt
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anybody with your bombs and what have you, but the number of bombings that they have
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copped to leads me to think like if they'd have bombed a building and they accidentally
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hurt somebody, they'd be like, yeah, we did that.
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That was unfortunate.
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Whoever did it, you take the blame for it because the only instances I can find really
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of like weatherman related people blow, like they blew up a townhouse and the only people
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got hurt were the people who were making the bomb.
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They fucked up and then there was that.
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And they say that that was an instance of like, from then on, we became very careful
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to make sure even our own people weren't hurt.
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There were a couple of people who tried to rob a Brinks truck, like one of those safe
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trucks.
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That sounds fun.
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I mean, that seems more like an instance of just like they were people who were involved
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with Weather Underground who were also trying to rob a Brinks truck.
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Weather Underground doesn't sound like a rob kind of.
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No, because there would be more than one instance of it if that was sort of the thing that they
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were into.
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That seems like a couple of members of it.
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That sounds more like the plot of Die Hard, doesn't it?
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Or just a couple of members went rogue.
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Like they're supposed to be terrorists, but actually they're robbing shit.
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Like that sounds like those guys.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's the plot of Die Hard.
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If the plot of Die Hard went 10 years, you know, like if it was 10 years.
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Dude, now that's a great movie.
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Because Weather Underground existed for a long time.
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Technically speaking, the plot of Die Hard did go for at least 10 years.
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It was too long.
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I would go with like, what, 30 years now.
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Oh, you got the sequels.
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Yeah.
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I'm talking about one movie.
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Oh, all right.
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Which one?
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One movie.
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Not interested in this conversation, turns out.
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Trying to jog my memory and like, nope, don't care.
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All right.
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All right.
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So, oh, the other one was, there was a bombing that police, like a policeman got injured
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at around the time that the weathermen were active.
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Which was not necessarily a weatherman bombing.
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They say they weren't.
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Right.
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No one has proven that they were.
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Right.
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I would be willing to believe either.
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Like I would be willing to be like, I don't know.
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I don't fucking know.
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Right.
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No one's proved it to me in a, like if, if they wanted to hurt people, the, the effect,
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like the, the way that they were able to operate as a terrorist organization for years, leads
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me to believe they could have killed a lot more people if they wanted to.
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They could really have killed a lot of people.
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And the fact that it was a lot of really smart people involved, like you could have had some
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really good strategies and like, so to me, my gut tells me they wouldn't do all of this
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politically motivated, like legitimate extreme vandalism, as he calls it, and then jeopardize
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it with, ah, let's try and hurt a cop who doesn't even die.
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Just the guy gets hurt.
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That seems like a waste of the entire principle that you stand for.
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I can't imagine them, one, I think part of the reason that they were successful for so
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long is that they didn't actually kill people.
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Right.
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Like that was kind of part of the big deal.
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Keeps you a little bit lower on the priorities list.
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Yeah.
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If you, if you are, if you are just destroying property, ah, well then again, if you're destroying
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rich people's property, that's far more, ah, important to the legal system than, ah, killing
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a million poor people.
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But what are you going to do?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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There's no, they didn't, I don't know.
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Maybe they did.
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There's no way for, there's no way for me to know.
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I don't know this to be true, but I assume they're the motivation for Project Chaos in
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ah, Poloniek's Fight Club.
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Really?
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I assume, I assume so.
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You think so?
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In as much as they just destroyed an empty building that, like, ah, I don't know, who
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cares.
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I don't want to talk about Poloniek.
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I don't want to talk about Fight Club either.
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Yeah, no shit.
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Guy's gross.
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Um, and this is when we abandon our entire podcast.
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Let's do a podcast about Chuck Poloniek, called Chuck Poloniek Fuck Yourself.
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Um, so I believe sincerely that the weathermen, ah, didn't kill anybody and if they hurt anybody,
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it was not intentional.
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It was, ah, unfortunate side effect of a bomb.
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Right.
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Well, it's a bomb.
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That seems...
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It's a fuckin' bomb!
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That seems like a really shitty thing for me to say, and in terms of, like, anybody
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who gets killed by a bomb, that's an unfortunate side effect of a bomb.
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It was entirely their intention to not hurt somebody.
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Yes.
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Their intention was to destroy property, to bring attention to the shit that was going
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on.
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They were overseas.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Um, and so, I believe they had a...
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I guess all I can really say for certain is, from everything I know and hearing Bill and
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reading as much as I've read, I believe that there was a principle involved.
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I think there was a desire for a politically motivated act, which makes Alex's question
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that he asks...
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I kind of think that's the only thing that can be confirmed.
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But Alex's response, and his question that he has about bombings, is super weird.
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Oh, it's also exactly what you'd expect.
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I don't know what you're talking about, because we were involved...
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I was underground for 11 years.
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The weather underground was very active between 1970 and 75.
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Our government, people like John McCain, killed 6,000 people a week for 10 years, and we engaged
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in illegal, some would say ill-advised, crossing lines of legality and maybe common sense.
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We were involved in extreme acts of vandalism to destroy property to raise a screaming alarm
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against the board.
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Sure.
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They claimed that Tim McVeigh was angry about Waco and blew up that building.
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The evidence shows it's a false flag to blame the right, but expanding on that...
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I don't know what you're talking about about Waco.
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I'm not sure what you mean.
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I'm asking you, do you think it was okay what McVeigh did?
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Absolutely not.
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He murdered people, innocent people, in the federal building, absolutely not.
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We never did that, and we never murdered anybody.
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So that's what McVeigh did, it was horrendous.
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Was Larry Grathwold, I heard he tried to debate you, have you ever debated him?
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So that's another shift of the question.
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Switch!
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No!
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Cut!
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Cut!
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Yeah, he's just constantly trying to be like, move, move, move, move, keep moving.
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I don't like your answer.
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I don't like your answer.
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Whatever your answer is, I'm going to disagree with it.
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I want to get...
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What he wants is...
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I already asserted that OKC was a false flag.
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Exactly.
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If we talk about it too much longer, you're going to realize I said that, and you're going
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to prove that wrong.
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Exactly.
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Let's keep moving.
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Larry Grathwold.
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Right.
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So now here...
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It's interesting because it's like an interview on 60 Minutes where there's a bunch of gotcha
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questions, but the answer is never played.
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It's almost like it's like a one-sided...
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It's like you cut a gotcha interview with just questions, and then you show a picture
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of the guy looking at you.
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Like it's a non-interview.
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It's like a gotcha interview where the guy didn't show up.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This is Clint Eastwood yelling at a fucking chair at the RNC.
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It's not, though, because it's...
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That's what it is.
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Because it's like if Obama was actually in that chair, and he was like, well, actually.
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And then politely explained like, well, you've got some things a bit wrong.
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And then Clint Eastwood threw a smoke bomb down, and, OK.
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And all Clint Eastwood saw was an empty chair.
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But in reality...
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That sounds very Clint Eastwood-y thing to do.
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In reality, there was the person he was yelling at there was like, I would beg to differ,
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Clint.
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Right.
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He was yelling at Obama.
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Thanks.
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You don't do impressions.
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But that wasn't...
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The voice isn't great.
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But the inflection?
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You got the inflection.
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It wasn't even an impression.
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All right.
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That wasn't a good impression.
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That wasn't a good impression.
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It was an attempt.
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So at this point, at the end of that last clip, you heard Alex say, what about Larry
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Grathwalt?
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Right.
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Who was the guy who we heard earlier, who was a FBI informant who had infiltrated the
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weather underground.
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Had a bit of an agenda.
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Now, this response that Larry gives...
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Not Larry, I'm sorry.
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This response that Bill comes up with is so logical, so exactly what you would...
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How you would respond if you weren't making something up.
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And it is the biggest problem for Alex.
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It's such a huge problem.
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Was Larry Grathwalt...
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I heard he tried to debate you.
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Have you ever debated him?
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No.
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Never.
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And he's passed away now.
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So Larry Grathwalt was a pathological liar, a paid informant of the FBI.
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I don't know if you're a fan of the FBI, but Larry Grathwalt was paid to lie.
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And none of what he said was true or has ever been proven to be true.
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Well, I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff the FBI has done, but it's pretty much a creature
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of whatever, whoever runs the Justice Department and the White House.
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But I'm certainly not a fan of communists.
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So Larry Grathwalt is a creature of the Justice Department, correct?
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Of the Justice Department he was under.
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But he, I think there's good people and bad people in there is what I'm saying.
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The Justice Department or do you not like that Justice Department?
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I believe that when you guys recruited him and reportedly tried to get him to train you
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in military tactics, I mean, I think it was good to stop violence.
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One of that is true.
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Larry Grathwalt hung around SBS.
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Everybody thought he was a cop.
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It turns out he wasn't a cop.
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He was simply a paid informant, paid to lie.
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And that's what he did.
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None of what he said ever resulted in anything.
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So the fact that he tried to make a second career out of himself is ludicrous.
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He was not a truthful person.
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He never told the truth.
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We got to go to break.
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Come back.
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You can finish responding to that.
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Give us your view on education.
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That sounds edited.
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That sounds edited.
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It's not.
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It's not just the levels though.
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That's what I'm saying.
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The levels make it sound like he said more and the broadcast was like, no, no, no, no.
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If he did them, they did it because that's what I'm saying.
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No, no, I'm not saying you did it.
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I'm saying they did it.
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I'm taking this straight off the Alex Jones channel.
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I know.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I'm saying that the levels make that sound like they cut off from there.
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But you know what's crazy about that?
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What?
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Why didn't they edit the rest of this or why didn't they not post this?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, if they're trying to protect the business somewhere in there, I don't know what they're
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protecting.
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Cause that looks terrible.
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That's what now.
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See, now that's what I'm interested in.
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Even edited, even if that's edited, that's terrible.
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Cause that sounds okay.
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So that's, you know, maybe, maybe Alex drops character for just a moment and he's like,
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please stop.
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Okay.
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I'm sorry.
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No, no, no, no.
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You I was being Alex.
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Okay.
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Oh, okay.
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Please.
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Bill, please stop.
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I'm begging you.
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That could be human to human please.
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I'm just trying to do my job here, man.
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You're trying to do a job.
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I've got a job.
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Can we just...
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Bill, I'm not so stupid that I don't recognize that what you just made me do was agree with
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the Nixon department of justice.
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You just made me accept that the Nixon department of justice was awesome.
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If I'm going to retain my belief that Larry Grathwall is a good source, shit.
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Come on, man.
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Fuck.
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Logic is a tough game.
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Come on, man.
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So tough.
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You know what?
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Here's, here's what they cut out.
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Here's what they cut out.
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Alex going, you're mean.
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You're you're making me feel bad.
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Could have also just been, uh, him kicking into autopilot and selling iodine.
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Or maybe just a long pause.
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Maybe he has a stroke.
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Yeah.
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He just, he just reds out and then 20 minutes later he wakes up and he's like, oh my God,
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we're talking to Bill Ayers.
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Could have also been a minute of just like nothing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's entirely possible.
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I actually buy that more than anything else because that clearly you hear it.
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Yeah.
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You hear it.
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That's not the same audio.
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Uh, no, it's not.
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But it also is like, I could recreate that right now.
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I don't want to do that because it would blow out the mics, but I could, I could like without
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any editing, I could talk like this and then scream into the mic if I was like overly excited
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and there's a chance that he would be so aggressively like, let's go to commercial.
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That's also possible that he would just be eating the mic and like, I put it, I can't
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let him say anymore.
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I can't let him say anymore that he's made too good of a point.
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We'll go to commercial.
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You can get back to it.
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You'll get back to it.
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Asshole.
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Cause I mean the obvious, the obvious, well, the obvious point is they're like, um, hey,
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uh, you know how I'm still free?
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Yeah.
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Uh, that guy was lying cause everyone's investigated this shit and uh, you know how I'm not in
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jail and I've had a, I've held down a job.
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You know how I wasn't convicted of murders?
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The only possibility otherwise is that every single president or other like department
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of justice, which by the way has changed over and over and over again, even like within
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president.
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Right.
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No, no, no.
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I'm not, I'm not arguing that Jeff Sessions probably isn't trying to convict Bill Ayers
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as we speak, but Democrat, Republican, all of them, you know, like throughout the history
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from 1970 whatever down.
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So what are we talking about?
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We're talking about 48 years or so since 1970 a few all that time.
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He has just been like, we're in on it.
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Let him let this man slide.
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Now let's, it's just nonsense.
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It's such bullshit.
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It's such bullshit.
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Anyway, that idea though of just like, it's so simple.
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You know how I'm not in jail right now, Alex?
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I didn't do anything.
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That's cause that guy lied.
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Cause if he was telling the truth, I had committed a capital punishment.
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If that guy was telling the truth, I would have been, I would have been put to the death
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penalty.
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A hundred percent.
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Yeah.
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One hundred percent.
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There's no, there's literally no other prescription for that crime.
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And if the FBI cared enough to implant someone in the organization who was credible and came
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out with that information, they would have gone hog wild on them.
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Regardless of who was president later, because I got, I got a spoiler alert for you.
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Until the time that the, the, the weather underground stopped existing, it was all Republican
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administrations.
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Now granted, you get caught up in the end of Nixon getting impeached and what have you,
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but you still have Ford.
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They were busy.
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You still have Ford until 77 or you know, with 77 being when the weather underground
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stopped existing.
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Right.
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Right.
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Or when they went inactive.
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Uh, so I don't know.
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You, someone would have prosecuted.
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Maybe at least a little bit.
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I guess that's our point.
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Now here's, here's my other point.
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What's your other point?
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At this point, Alex has still been sort of keeping his shit together a little bit.
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This is when he loses it.
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Yeah.
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And this next clip.
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Which again, uh, points to my, this is edited theory.
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I don't know.
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No, no, no.
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I'm going to lean into that.
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No, because that was leading to commercial, right?
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That's what I'm saying.
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That goes out to commercial.
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So then we come back from commercial and this is where he kind of loses it.
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All right.
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I had thought Bill Ayers is with us till the end of the hour.
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He's got to go at 50 after now, or maybe he always did.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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First of all, first of all, go fuck yourself.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Oh, now he's got to leave earlier or maybe I didn't know anything.
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I don't know.
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One of the two.
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Why even bring it up then you piece of shit.
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I'll have time to take a few phone calls at 800-259-9231.
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I'd like to hear from some Bill Ayers supporters.
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We don't screen your calls, just your name and where you're calling from and how you're
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listening.
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What are the odds that Bill Ayers supporters are listening to Alex Jones's show on a random
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day?
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You haven't heard of the Facebook group, uh, info weather underground wars?
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Dem billayersfans.org.
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You support this guy.
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I'd love to hear from you or if you've got a serious question and don't support him.
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It's wide open 800-259-9231.
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Look, I don't want to waste our time here with a he said, she said.
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I go to your website billayers.org and there's a red star on a black background up there.
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It looks pretty malice to me.
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You say you didn't like Mao.
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Was Larry Grathwold wrong that you guys followed a malice cultural revolution style system
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at the weatherman?
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Yeah, he was wrong and he was lying.
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But the red star on the black background is also the signet for Heineken beer and Macy's.
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So be careful what you worry about.
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But here's the thing.
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Oh, come on, man.
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You're a famous commie.
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Just admit it.
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You love linen.
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First of all, I'm not famous.
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Secondly, I don't know what you meant when you said Bill Ayers supporters call in.
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We haven't had one substantive exchange, you and me.
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So I don't know what one would think to be a supporter.
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You mean if somebody has read one of my books and has something to say about it?
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We haven't talked about anything substantive.
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Okay, well, you're, you're, you're setting and defining things like MSNBC saying, parents,
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your kids don't belong to you.
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Let me ask you this question.
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Do you support abortion?
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Wait, when did I say that?
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When did I say parents don't belong to their kids?
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What the fuck?
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That is, that's jarring.
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I love this interview.
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I love this interview.
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I wish all interviews were like this.
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I'm done with any kind of conversations that exist.
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I am all about some random dude just saying random shit towards people who are befuddled.
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You almost, I want befuddled everything.
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You almost have to diagram that to a certain extent.
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You have like him being like, well, look, you're a dick.
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What's the diagram?
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The diagram is a pachinko machine, right?
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It's just falling.
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It's just random as bullshit.
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It's good.
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Who knows where it's going to land exactly, but it's going down, you know, going down
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hard.
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But you, you start with like a fuck you, you say you're not a Maoist, but look at your
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logo and it'd be like, well, Macy's, you know, there's a lot of people who have logos that
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are red star.
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He's not saying anything other than like, well, there's a lot, you know, like maybe
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I just like the color scheme.
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I think that's kind of the bottom line of what he's saying because so does Macy's.
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And Alex, then he's like, you are a famous commie, you son of a bitch.
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Well, I'm not famous.
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Also, fuck you.
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What are you doing with this show?
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No one knows who I am who are listening.
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Why would they be my fans?
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What they've read shit I've written?
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What is going on here?
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Why are you presenting things this way?
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It's so great.
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Here's what I, here's what I see, um, a purely, uh, then Alex gets into the, uh, are you into
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abortion?
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No.
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Well, that's what I, that's what I'm seeing right now.
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Yeah.
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Alex is just trying to needle because Alex wants him to lose his shit.
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At some point, Alex just wants him to get mad.
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One of us has got to, and it can't be me.
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I just, I just want you to get mad and yell at me about something so I can cut that into
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a clip or I need you specifically lying about something hard and he's not going to get either
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of those things, but he is going to get some really good audio of himself losing arguments.
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And here's the first of them.
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When did I say parents don't belong to their kids?
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I said MSNBC said that.
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No they did not.
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What are you talking about?
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I need to break through this view that kids belong to their parents and that they actually
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belong to the wider community.
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You know, I'm so bewildered about what you're talking about.
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Let's talk about the question of whether kids belong to their parents.
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If a kid is being, let's just talk about that in general.
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I think yes, indeed.
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Children and their parents and their families are sacred sacrosanct.
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Absolutely.
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But if a parent is raping the child, the community has an interest in stopping that.
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Do you agree with that?
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Yes.
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So you agree with Melissa Harris Perry or you disagree with her?
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Wait a minute.
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About what?
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Well, that's her statement about the kids.
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The point is, we know all communist systems try to take over the kids.
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The question, if a parent is raping a child, does the community have an interest in you?
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The local community, but not the central communitarian.
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Okay, that's fine.
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I'm with you.
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The local community has an interest, but so, I mean, I'm not sure what the big distinction
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is, but you and I then agree.
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The child and the parent and the family is sacrosanct, unless something, a horrendous
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thing, unless we need a, what do you think about Obama wanting a domestic security force
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just as big and just as strong as our military and having youth brigades chanting his name?
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So good.
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I didn't know he was doing that, but I'm opposed to all domestic security forces.
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Okay.
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So good.
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So good.
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You know what just happened in that last four seconds?
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Alex had to and did admit, I'm wrong, and then had to move along to what do you think
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about Obama doing this security force thing, had to come up with another point because
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otherwise, if he let that sit too long, he would have drawn attention to the fact that
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fucking Bill Ayers just made a point that was like, okay, there is a community interest
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in people's parents not being shitty to them.
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Now, if that is the case, do you think there is an advantageous thing where the community
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does not benefit from allowing that abuse to continue?
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Yeah, sure.
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All right.
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You're wrong then.
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I mean, it's but that's what this is an argument.
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Child armies.
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This is why you can't actually argue with an unreasonable actor.
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Of course.
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This is perhaps the most perfect distillation of it that I think I've ever seen.
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It's really astonishing because you're going to like where it ends because Bill is crushing
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this because so many people, it would take and imagine what he's saying when his mic
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is on mute or whatever.
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Oh, yeah.
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No, I've had many of these conversations that like with members of my own family where it's
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like it takes a while to lead them down this path and they get angry the whole time.
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They're like, I don't like where this is going.
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I'm not feeling good about this.
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And then you get there and they're like, we're done talking, you know, like that kind of
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thing.
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And he just did it in two sentences.
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That's astonishing.
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Like, props where props is due, man, he fucking.
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But also, also, why are you doing this, Bill?
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Why are you doing this?
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It is weird.
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Why are you doing this?
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It is weird.
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You could not do this.
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I don't know.
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I think it might have been like a niece or a nephew who's like, it'd be so fun if you
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did this.
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Do you mean like how an actor will do a kid's movie?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like, not like, I'm not, I'm not presuming that like Bill Ayer's nephew or niece is like
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a fan of Alex Jones.
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Right, right.
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Like you're aware of them.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My friends on Twitter are like, this guy's crazy.
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It would be so awesome.
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I will show them the clip the next day and they'll be like, look at how, yeah, so easy.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You'd be so confused too.
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It'd be so funny.
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Oh, so funny.
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I can't think of many, or maybe like a bad assistant.
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I don't know.
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There's, there are very few explanations that I can come up with for like how, like, because
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I mean, he is retired.
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He is retired.
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True.
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What else are you doing that day?
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Bored.
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Yeah.
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I gotta be clear though.
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Like there is a moment probably three minutes in to the beginning of the interview where
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you can see in his face like, oh boy, like he knows like I'm kinda in, I'm kind of in
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for it.
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I'm in the shit.
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Yeah.
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But at the same time he sticks around for the whole hour.
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So.
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Amazing.
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In this next clip.
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He's on Skype, right?
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He's not on phone.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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In this next clip, and you can see his facial gestures.
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They're amazing.
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I do recommend everyone watch this, uh, this video.
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After, after this, I am going to watch this.
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Um, so in this next clip, I would say this is the point where Bill starts to fight back
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a little bit and start to be a dick back to Alex.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Which I think is delightful.
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All right.
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Now we're getting into it.
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Well, I'll say this.
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We have a big video out today that's going viral where we expose American sniper as a
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giant hoax.
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So just so you know where I'm coming from, I attack everything I see as baloney.
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So I agree there's right wing tyranny, there's left wing tyranny, everything I see is baloney
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as well.
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And right now I'm feeling you're the biggest baloney here.
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I don't understand.
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Do I support Melissa Harris Perry?
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What is it?
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What is that?
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I didn't know what you're talking about.
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That's like the mouth of sore on MSNBC.
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You're like a real celebrity over there.
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And so that's the kind of stuff they're saying.
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You're absolutely mistaken.
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I am not a celebrity anywhere, but certainly not on MSNBC.
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That is pure bull.
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You are almost like a Christ like figure in the circles of hardcore commies.
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Show me where, show me some evidence of that, Alex.
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That's so fascinating.
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I feel like I'm just sitting here in my home trying to write something this morning.
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I'm suddenly having a conversation with you and you're bringing up these gigantic categoricals.
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I have no idea what you're referring to.
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Sure.
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Let me just play a Melissa Harris Perry for you in a promo.
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They still air real quick.
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Alex is going to play it, but you can hear that bill is still talking like, this is my
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position that Alex is talking over him because he needs to force this down the throat.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They've been hearing this for three years.
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Here it is.
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So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong
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to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.
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Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the households, then we start making
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better investments.
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So do you agree with that or disagree with the lean forward Marxist Leninist statement?
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I only got a little piece of that cause I was talking, but I'll, I'll once again give
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you the example and you tell me if you agree.
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No, no, we've already been over that.
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Let me ask you this key question.
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No, no, no, no.
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Don't say it again.
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You already kicked my ass.
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Don't worry about it.
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Don't use that counter example again.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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stop.
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You stop.
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Look, it hurts me.
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It hurts me.
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It hurts me.
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It hurts me.
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You know, you know, my feelings are hurt.
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It's back to, I beg you for mercy.
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Please, please.
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Bill.
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No, we've been over this.
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We've been over this.
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Yeah.
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We have.
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And you lost.
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Yeah.
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You lost that exchange hard.
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Why you would play that clip again after you lost boggles the mind.
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Which only makes it even more clear that that, it's insane.
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I love it.
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I love this part.
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So this is getting good.
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So now, um, Alex brings up eugenics.
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Of course, which Bill Ayers is notably into as you can, like, look at all of Bill Ayers
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writings.
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Loves it.
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Where he talks about race memory and, uh, you know, eugenics and how the white race
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is superior.
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He has a deep history of interviews that he's done on television where he talks about being
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into, uh, gene stuff.
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Right.
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Right, right.
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Talking about how, like, he has good German blood.
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Oh, that's Trump.
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No, that's Trump.
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I'm sorry.
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That is Trump.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But, you know, Alex asks about eugenics and I think that, uh, honestly, I'm not, I regret
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on some level that I just really like Bill Ayers because like I do on some level think
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like, you know, I know you didn't mean to hurt anybody with those bombs, but I still
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think that's pretty extreme, but it was an extreme time.
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I have a difficult time with that, but I think his answer about eugenics is perfectly measured.
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I think it's a really good answer.
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My, my only thought that like so far listening to Bill Ayers and I don't know a ton about
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him, uh, is listening to him call it extreme acts of vandalism is kind of like, all right
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dude, come on, just fucking say you bombed some shit because I'm going to be honest with
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you.
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I don't think that's a negative.
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No, but that sounds like I'm kind of fine with me.
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I'm kind of fine with bombing shit if it doesn't look well.
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What else are you doing?
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Extreme action.
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What else are we going to fucking do?
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Extreme acts of vandalism sounds like that late sixties, early seventies, Abby Hoffman
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kind of like a flamboyant language.
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It's a redefining term.
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I don't like you.
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I don't like euphemisms.
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Period.
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Whatever.
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I don't like, I don't like cheese and rice.
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I don't like, I don't like frick hard rice.
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My family says, my family says, Oh, this is fricking bullshit and fuck off.
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Fuck you.
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Say fucking.
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All right.
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Well, that's what it means.
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Don't say extreme acts of vandalism.
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You blew that shit up because they were doing an infinitely worse shit.
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So fucking own it.
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Something that has no euphemism also Ivanka Trump is a feckless cunt.
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So there's that.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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Edit that out.
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Um, something that has no euphemism is eugenics.
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Are you aware that IBM and the eugenicist movement funded much of the modern left and
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Margaret Sanger, who got awards from Hitler, gave awards from Hitler that the whole great
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society was a plan to take?
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Got awards from Hitler, got awards, gave awards from Hitler that cover black communities and
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exterminate them because they're quote weeds.
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Well, I know that the eugenicist movement and Margaret Sanger and Hitler and a large
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part of the American society were eugenicists and academics were eugenicists and I think
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it's all part of a very heinous part of the human, of human history and the human condition.
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Well, I agree with you and from our research, the left represents the core vestigial movement
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and at its base, it's eugenical.
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Maybe you never got that high on the power structure, but that's what it is, but this
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is news to me.
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I have no idea what you're referring to.
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I don't know that the left, I mean, to me, the, the Hitler and the right wing, a notion
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of racial superiority and white supremacist has never been, um, you know, a core value
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of the left, um, but so again, I don't, I don't accept your premise.
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I don't know who you're referring to.
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There's a lot of that in this interview that I don't accept your premise.
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Ah, that's the reasonable person's response to Alex Jones is what the fuck are you talking
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about?
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Well, it's tough because I think a lot of people don't know that that's an option.
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You a lot of people don't understand that you can be in a conversation with someone
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and they can say something like, no, I don't accept that.
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No, that's, um, no, nah, nah, dude, if you would like to assert that you're welcome to,
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but until you can prove that that's a thing, I'm just going to say no, I'm going to sit
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it out.
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Yeah.
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And, and because is a smart man, I am welcome to you proving that statement, in which case
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I will engage with it.
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I will take up until that point.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Yeah.
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Or not even go fuck yourself, but just like, I got nothing for you.
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Yeah.
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We got, we have nowhere to go with this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What conversation is there to have?
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You're arguing something that's made up.
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Well, it goes back to the definition of terms.
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Right.
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You have introduced a term.
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I say, I disagree with that now.
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So there we go.
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Let's come to the middle and let's walk away from this.
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And more often than not, Alex was just like, let's walk away.
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I can't prove this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, of course not.
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I can't prove shit.
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Of course not.
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So now Alex brings up Carol Quigley.
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Oh, Carol Quigley.
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Tragedy and Hope, the 1300 page book that I once again read a couple hundred pages of
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in studying the passages that are taken out of context in the none dare call it conspiracy.
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Yes.
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Such a disaster, this reading.
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But also I will say, I think that this book Tragedy and Hope is amazing.
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I would love to have maybe a three month break from doing this show where I could go to Carol
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Quigley's house.
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No, the Bahamas.
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Bahamas.
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I don't know, just the beach.
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You wouldn't go to a beach.
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I'd go to Greece.
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You'd be terrible at going to a beach.
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Take me to Greece.
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Take me to a Grecian beach.
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Take you to Greece?
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I can't afford to take you to Greece.
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Grecian beach.
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If you would like to donate to None Dare.
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I think it would be fun to have a relaxing week or so where I do nothing else but get
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through Tragedy and Hope because I've read a lot of it and the sense that I get from
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it is like this is a really interesting, in-depth, alive piece of historical narrative.
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It tells a story really well.
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The paragraphs flow into each other super well.
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There's way too much information in it, but somehow you don't get bogged down in it.
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There's a lot of explanation for why certain pieces of history flowed into other pieces.
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It's the same thing with-
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All right.
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To this point, I'm going to trust you, however, you do believe that the passive voice is fine,
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so I'm going to hold-
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Fuck you.
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I'm going to hold judgment.
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It's the same thing with John P. Holdren's Ecoscience textbook that Alex complains about
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all the time.
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It's like I started reading that.
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It's like, holy shit, I didn't really understand water cycles.
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Now I do.
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Give me Barbara Tuchman all day.
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There's so much to be gained-
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That's some good sentence structure.
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There's so much to be gained by reading the things that Alex misrepresents is what I'm
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saying.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you.
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I would love to read the other 700 pages that I haven't read of Carol Quigley's Tragedy
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and Hope because I get the premise of it.
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The tragedy in Tragedy and Hope is that-
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Hope exists.
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No, it's that humanity keeps fighting with each other and we're just destined, it seems,
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to-
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Do so forever.
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Keep doing that.
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Until we die.
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And then hope is, the hope part is the hope that we can end that at some point and come
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together and work to get past these vestigial, horrible impulses that we have.
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Thus the tragedy leads way to hope and the hope leads way to tragedy.
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And every single specific reference that I've found from Alex, from Gary Allen, from Joel
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Skousen-
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Right.
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I'm sorry, W. Cleon Skousen, from any of these dudes who reference Carol Quigley, every single
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specific reference that I find from the text, I go and I read 50 pages each direction and
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they don't say at all what these dudes claim they say.
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They haven't read the whole book.
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They haven't.
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They take passages out of context.
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And they do that specifically in order to attack their version of liberalism that exists
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in their mind.
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Anyway.
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Yes.
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It's not important.
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I only bring this up to say that Alex is stupid.
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And in this next clip, he gets even stupider by bringing up Carol Quigley, who's Bill Clinton's
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favorite author, to a guy who doesn't give a fuck about Bill Quigley.
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Yeah, I was going to say, like, why do people keep doing that?
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Why do you bring up Bill Clinton to people who are fucking on, like, fuck Bill Clinton?
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As Carol Quigley wrote, have you read Tragene Hope by Carol Quigley?
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No, I have not.
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That's Bill Clinton's top mentor in his words.
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I have no idea.
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He wrote an unofficial secret history for the State Department so their section chiefs
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could understand why they were funding fascists and communists and-
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That's not at all what the book is.
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And he admits in the 1100-page book how the whole game works.
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It's not 1100 pages.
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I mean, clearly, big corporations try to control the left and right, right?
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I don't know much about Bill Clinton, but I've never been a supporter of Bill Clinton.
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And so, you know, again, you're trying to make some connection that I'm not following.
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I haven't read the book.
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I don't know he was Clinton's advisor.
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I've never been an admirer of Bill Clinton.
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Sure.
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But you're trying to get at the fact that there are robber barons funding socialist
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and communist movements from Armand Hammer to people like George Soros, who just got
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caught spending $33 million trying to hype up the Ferguson protests.
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Are you aware of that?
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I am not.
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I am not.
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And George Soros, again, I know nothing about George Soros, but the idea that somehow big
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capitalists are funding movements that would want to overthrow them seems preposterous
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to me.
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And again, you're crashing through the through the lies.
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So maybe, you know, something I don't know, but I don't know it.
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So asking me about it is if I'm an expert on it, I have no idea what you're referring
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to.
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Well, here's the deal.
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The system promotes communism or socialism is the only way to rebel against corrupt forms
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of capitalism.
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And I just think that's a total fraud and I'm sick of it.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I don't think that's true.
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And I don't think I think that that, you know, most systems and certainly the American government
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hates dissent, despises dissent and does everything it can do to ruin it, to wreck it, to reframe
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it.
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And so, no, I don't accept the terms that are given to me.
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Get him!
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Get him!
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Get him!
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Get him!
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Oh, God damn it!
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God is ass.
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Ugh!
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Love it.
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Boy, that's tough.
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That's tough to get around.
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That, uh...
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I, I just, ugh!
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What I'm trying to get at is that the robber barons who fund me are better than the robber
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barons that I made up in my brain who don't fund me.
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I'm sorry.
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I just don't understand what, what, what I have to do with this thing you're imagining.
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No, the robber barons that don't exist are better or worse, maybe, than the ones that
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do exist.
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I don't know anything about George Soros.
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And he's a Nazi blank.
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Fine.
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I don't know why you're asking me about him.
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Because you're, because you have been associated with the people that I associate with George
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Soros, even though I don't know who you are.
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You mean the foundations?
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No, that's not who I mean.
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I mean the, uh, uh, I mean demons!
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Oh, the demons.
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Bill Clinton!
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The Bill Clinton demons!
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Right.
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Have you seen Hillary?
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Well, see, Bill...
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She's Bill-ery!
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Right.
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But you're really talking about...
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Demons!
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What you're talking about is the foundations.
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I don't know what you're talking about!
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I know what I'm talking about!
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And I don't know what you're talking about is that you're talking about what I'm talking
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about.
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I've slipped out of character from being, uh, I'm much more comfortable when I'm doing
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a character of being Alex.
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I don't like being Bill-ery.
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You don't like going the opposite direction?
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Nah, I don't really like it so much.
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Let's try it the other way.
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All right.
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Are you going to start?
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I don't know what the scene is.
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You would never make it past level two in Second City.
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Certainly not.
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All right.
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Might be an asset as a writer?
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Maybe on an offbeat show?
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Yeah.
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Offbeat?
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No, no, no.
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At SNL you've got three characters, but you're going to be relegated to a writer, I'm not
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going to lie to you.
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That's fine.
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All right.
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So I'd like to write you a story about this next clip.
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Not as good a transition as you're used to doing.
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I'm going to go with a minus one on that one.
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Trying to get this show to land within a reasonable amount of time.
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So Alex, like I said, he's losing points left and right on this show.
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And this is what I was trying to set up in that character about the foundations.
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They're talking about the Ford Foundation and what have you.
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And Alex is making aggressive accusations about them.
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And then he loses a point.
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I'm not saying the foundations are right wing or left wing.
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They push fake left wing ideology as a form of domestication.
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I don't see anything with left wing ideology.
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You take the Ford Foundation, the Ford Foundation, you know, funds mostly horrible, controlling,
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racist kinds of things.
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I don't, I don't have anything to do with it.
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The Ford Foundation wants the open borders.
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What do you think of Obama acting unilaterally more and more?
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Not even executive orders, but just doing whatever.
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Right there already is you've lost a point.
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You've lost a point.
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I can't breathe.
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I can't breathe.
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It's jarring.
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I can't breathe.
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That, that hurt my neck.
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In debate.
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That hurt my neck.
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Do you know that the Pinto just got sued for that crash right there?
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The uh, the, the, and that's not even, I mean this clip's not even done.
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That's crazy.
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The Ford Foundation.
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What do you think of Obama?
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Wait, hold on.
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Hold on.
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What?
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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What?
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Well, it's like, that's Alex like just quickly realizing I fucked up.
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Dude.
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I fucked up.
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Gotta bounce.
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Gotta bounce.
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Gotta bounce.
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I don't know what, again, what are you referring to?
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For example.
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Open borders.
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Uh, the, the, the power plants, uh, I don't think he's done anything about open borders.
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I think the idea, for example, which he did unilaterally was a good thing.
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I think it should have happened 50 years ago.
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I think the idea that somehow the United States has gained anything by, by, uh, trying to
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destroy Cuba, all of a sudden it's hurt the Cuban people.
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So that's a fair point.
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Perfect.
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Yeah.
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Bill just making fair point.
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Oh, just dancing just like so far, so far.
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I'm on Bill's team all the way back from bombing shit to, uh, now only problem I have with
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him is him calling it extreme acts of vandalism up until that point, like turns a phrase,
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these zero problems with Bill Ayers, Alex, Alex, I will say his, like, it seems like
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his kryptonite is someone saying, what do you mean?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's not used to it.
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I will say this.
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If he's used to flattery and then a change of subject, there will be no chance that he
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shows up in Austin on June 15th when we're there next Friday at beer land.
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Nicely done.
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Another plug for people who have kept around this long, but like, there's no way he'll
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show up, but if he does, I will just keep saying, what do you mean?
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All I want, all the only, the only dream I have is that David Knight shows up.
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David Knight's in bed before time.
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See, that's what I'm, I want David Knight to show up and I want him, I want to actually,
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I want to give David Knight a microphone just so we can both be like, oh, you're so boring.
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I want to give David Knight, I want to give David Knight like six shots.
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And then after the show we dance around to like came out of a lady by rubble bucket.
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That's not bad.
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Me and David Knight make it a two man conga line.
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That's possible.
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That's possible.
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I don't, I don't discount that as a possibility.
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Look, I think this is, this probably would be the greatest podcast of all time.
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You and I just spit balling what, what we want, what kind of parties we would have with
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personalities, but we've got to finish this fucking episode.
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All right.
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All right.
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Let's dismount.
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Let's call it a night.
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And Bill, uh, Bill Ayers and Alex are talking and Alex at this point is still working under
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this assumption that he and Bill disagree about everything.
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And so Alex is like, I love guns, right?
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You Bill, you Bill loves bombs.
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He's not a good, he's not a gun guy.
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You must hate guns.
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I think there's a culture clash here because we're not in the controlled left or controlled
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right paradigm.
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Uh, I mean I am a feminist and then I want women to all be trained how to use firearms.
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That's right.
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You, let me guess.
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You don't want the citizens to have weapons, right?
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No, that's not true.
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But I'm a feminist in the sense that I think women should be paid equally for equal work
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and have the right to control their body.
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Sure.
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Should women be able to own guns?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Oh, good.
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So you're not for taking the guns like Chicago's done.
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Never have been.
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I don't know what you're referring to.
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So you're an old fashioned type commie.
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You believe in raiseline AK 47.
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It will be either we should be equal one of two directions.
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We should either disarm everybody starting with the most massive military establishment
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ever established on earth.
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And that's the U S military.
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We can disarm them, disarm the police, disarm everybody.
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Or we should go the other direction and arm the homeless, which is, I think it would be
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a great thing.
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I think there are a lot of good people among the homeless.
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So real quick, this is a Bill's way of having like, well, literally everyone should be homeless.
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Right.
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Everyone should be armed or no one should be armed.
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Yeah.
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His use of the homeless there as an example is a gotcha moment for Alex because he doesn't
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know.
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I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying no, no, no.
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I'm not saying that it's a gotcha moment specifically tailored to Alex.
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I'm saying that it is a, a gotcha moment for an ideology that suggests no, everyone should
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be armed and yet is 100% against people being armed that they don't like bill 100% is setting
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up Alex to say something that he never calls him out on.
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And I actually respect the hell out of this bill by saying that we should arm the homeless
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is then precipitating Alex saying, well, they're crazy, which is actually indicative that Alex's
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responses.
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Some people shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
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This is accidentally revealed on air through his stupidity and his just being lulled into
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some sort of comfort that he believes that there are yet.
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I don't think, I think I made it, I think I made it the same way that I think you expected.
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All right.
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But, but there we go.
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Why not have them all get a little, I think there's a lot, I think you actually, you find
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mainly that I'm sad for how almost I try to help them, but most of them are schizophrenic
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drug addicts.
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Well, good Lord.
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Ted, why aren't they getting help?
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I bet you, I bet you $10,000, you can come to Austin with me and, and if 90% of the homeless
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aren't mentally ill people dumped out of facilities who I feel sorry for, or aren't total drug
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addicts, I'll give you 10 grand.
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I mean, I really, I mean, everybody knows they're mainly mentally ill.
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When we count on you to be the diagnostics and I'd be a little suspicious because from
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the last, no, we can bring like three random people where this is, I mean, if the person's
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muttering to themselves and talking to themselves, I mean, obviously they're completely out of
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their minds.
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I mean, you, you know, most of homeless people, listen, you've been muttering to yourself
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for the last 45 minutes, good one, but should I be locked up like the Soviets would do?
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Am I mentally ill?
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If they are mentally ill on the streets of Austin, shouldn't they get some help from
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the community?
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Shouldn't we allow them to get treatment?
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Absolutely.
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I'm all for that, but you notice the welfare system always gets sucked up by the corporations.
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It's a different kind of welfare.
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Oh, God damn it.
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That's amazing.
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Oh, Alex, John.
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I love that.
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Oh, he just got, oh, if, but at least he had the, he had the, he had the dignity to at
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least like, ha ha ha.
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Well done.
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Here's why, here's why fighting games will always have a far greater, uh, uh, truth to
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them, which is if somebody just pulls a street fighter combo on you like that, you fucking
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die and you have to play the next match and there's nothing else.
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Yeah.
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You're knocked out.
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There's a whole cut scene.
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Everybody knows you just got murdered, but it'd be more like that would be, uh, it wouldn't
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be a KO.
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It would be like a nice try.
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Oh man.
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Well, that's nice.
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Try fatality.
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He just, he just grabbed Alex's skull and pulled it out of his skin and then revealed
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that he had no fit skin and then burned it to the ground.
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Like it was, that was, Oh, I mean it starts with, uh, Oh, I have never been more sexually
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attracted to a man than this 73 year old dude.
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Oh God damn it.
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I would make love to him immediately.
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Alex being like, uh, Hey, I think you don't want people to have guns.
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I'm totally fine with people having guns.
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I don't really care.
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It's my perception of feminism is more about their ability to be existing in the equal
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space in economy.
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Like whatever, let's harm homeless people.
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Alex being like, let's not, which also indicates that he thinks that some people shouldn't
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have seems like the second amendment has limits, which is what Alex would argue against most
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of the time.
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And then the idea of like him using that as a secondary ping pong, just to be like, Oh,
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you're crazy as, uh, look as a, uh, as a, an ardent tennis fan, uh, bill just hit a
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winner.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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He just hit a cross court forehand into the corner, Dan.
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No, cause that was a no stopping that.
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That was two minutes, but it was also like, it is, it is, it was three, 15 love, no, it's
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45 love, it's 40 love, 40 love is three aces in a row.
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So good.
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He just, he just so good.
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He's serving them up high.
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He just got, Oh God, Alex just got murdered.
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And the best part, Alex does not really understand how bad he just got murdered.
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No, no.
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I think he does.
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No, he does.
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No, he can process it on a certain level.
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Like when he said, you got me when he said that you, you got that he's, he realized he
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was beat.
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You don't, he does not know how much he was beat by.
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Oh yeah.
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He can't process the extent to which he was just beaten into the fucking ground.
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Nor does he understand how deep he's already in on this episode.
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This is brutal.
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This is an ass kicking of the highest order.
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He's six underground at least.
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And so like this entire time he's been trying to present the image that Bill Ayers is some
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sort of arch commie, which we know from his label or his logo that is very similar to
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Macy's.
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Stars, Macy's bars, et cetera.
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That argument is hurt by Bill's later analysis on this episode of the communist manifesto.
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The communist manifesto is not a plan for state communism, it's not a plan to overthrow
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the government.
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It's not a playbook for communist revolution.
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What it is, is mainly a praise song for capitalism and basically says in the historical sweep
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of nations that the, the, the rise of capitalism is the most productive force that's ever been
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made and it's going to exhaust itself.
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I think that the communism of the 20th century was catastrophic for humanity.
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I think the socialism of the 21st century, 20th century and 21st century in Europe is
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inadequate and in many ways feeds the corporate, the corporate culture.
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I think we need participatory democracy and that includes participatory economic democracy.
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That is a community.
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Socialism is a stagnant rotten cesspit that lets special interest control big pools of
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money.
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That's why big money always is backing limited socialism.
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And I'm glad you just basically admitted that it's all nothing but a corporate welfare system
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that then controls the population.
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Gary, thank you.
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In Europe, yes, Alex.
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That's what I said.
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Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's.
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Before I don't think you should be surprised if you've ever read anything I've written,
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I write about these kinds of things all the time.
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Well, folks can read your website.
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Let's rush us some more calls here.
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Okay.
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I've been illiterate since I was nine.
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That was Alex thinking he had a gotcha.
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And then, then Bill being like, if you'd read anything I've ever written, you know that
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that's exactly, this is not a new point that you're bringing me to.
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Um, which is then something that I want to, now I just, I just want to have a conversation
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with Bill about the, we should try and get them on like, Oh shit.
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Like the pitfalls.
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I bet I could get in touch with them.
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I actually bet you could a burrito, send them an email.
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No, I bet you could have three or you look if your dad is retired, that's not the point.
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Yeah.
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I'll text my dad.
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I think that would be great because I would be interested in having a conversation about
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the pitfalls of a participatory, participatory democratic economic system as well.
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Because that is not exactly an infallible system on its own.
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Like all, all I am like at the end of the day, I love watching Alex get dunked on.
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But what I'm really interested in is talking to Bill about what's going on in his head.
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Like he is a fascinating dude with a great story.
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He's a brilliant guy.
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I want to know, Oh man, I'm in love with Bill.
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I'm in love with Bill.
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Well, I'm in love with him, Dan.
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Here's where you're going to learn about what he thinks about, um, uh, if you say he's a
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soft yes on white genocide, I think we just made a match.
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No Tinder just crushed it.
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Your girlfriend's position is safe for now because this next clip is more about whether
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or not Obama's lying about his daddy.
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No.
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And then Alex says something.
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Oh, well now I'm bored again.
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Alex gets a little racist.
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I wanted to find out if he had ever seen a, uh, a film by Joel Gilbert.
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This is a caller, Joel Gilbert.
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No, is this a caller?
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I called dreams of my real father and if so, uh, what was his, uh, take on that film and
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how did he feel about it?
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I've not seen it and I've never heard of it.
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Frank Marshall Davis.
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Did you know him?
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I never knew Frank Marshall Davis.
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I read about him in the New York Times.
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New York Times.
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So Barack never told you that was his pappy?
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Whoa.
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You know, I knew Barack Obama about as well as thousands and thousands of other people.
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It's not that we, we weren't intimate friends.
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We never shared a milkshake with two straws.
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Never.
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All right.
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Well, I went, nobody ever said you did that.
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You'd have to be cuddling to be doing that.
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Those friends.
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I was not.
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You never dated Barack Obama.
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All right.
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I never dated him.
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Right.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Alex is-
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Okay.
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Now, I haven't listened to every show that Alex has ever done.
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Right.
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But any time you have ever said, this is a caller, the accent gives it away every time.
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I know.
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Regardless of, regardless of what the accent is, somehow every accent that a caller has
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is fucking bananas.
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No, it's the Alex's caller accent.
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Yeah.
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It has no region.
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It has no consistency.
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It is just, oh yeah, no.
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You would call into Alex Joseph's show.
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I swear to God, I could hear 20 voices and I could pick six out of them that are like,
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you would call Alex.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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And four of them had in the past and two were planning on it.
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Yeah.
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And it's not like, oh, well, this is a Louisiana accent.
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No.
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No, no, no.
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Oh, well, this is a Georgia accent.
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No, no, no.
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South Carolina?
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No, no, no.
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Alex.
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This is an Alex accent.
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There's a distrust.
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There's a uncertainty.
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There's just a certain quality.
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Yeah.
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There's a certain way you can hear like stimulant abuse in people's voice.
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You can sort of hear that.
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You can hear pothead in someone's voice.
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It reminds me-
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There are various like attributes you can hear in people's voices.
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It reminds me of Patton's joke about B word fat.
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Dr Pepper?
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No, no, no.
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B word.
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I bought the, you can tell when a person is fat by how they say, yeah, I bought the bracelets
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at Bergen's and like, you're just like-
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But that's a physical trait.
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We're talking about emotional traits.
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That's, but I'm not-
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We're talking about-
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I'm not making a one to one-
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I understand that.
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It's a-
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I understand that.
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But I'm just trying to-
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It's an analogy.
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Trying to move the conversation forward.
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All right, fine.
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It's an emotional trait.
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I agree.
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You got really fucking defensive about something that I-
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What?
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I can't get defensive every now and again?
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Because I wasn't invalidating what you were talking about.
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I was saying-
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry, Dan.
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I love you.
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Love you too.
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Okay.
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So now-
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Yes.
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Yes.
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The answer already I know is going to be wrong.
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I'll tell you what I-
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Whatever it is I think is not going to be what happens.
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I'll tell you what Alex thinks.
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What does Alex think?
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Alex thinks that-
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I am- first off, shocked this is still going on.
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Bill is still here.
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He's very patient.
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How is- he even made it through a caller?
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Yeah.
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A couple of them.
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A couple of them?
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One of them we're about to listen to is real bad for everyone involved except Bill Ayers.
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But Alex thinks that Bill is into Hillary, Bill Clinton is into Hillary, Bill Ayers not
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so much into Hillary.
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Bill Ayers hate, he's already made it clear that he doesn't like Bill Clinton.
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Knowing only what I know about Bill Ayers right now, Bill Ayers is at best milk toast
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on Obama.
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He could not be for Hillary.
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He seems like he's only into Obama because he met him when he was in college.
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I know right, like it's very much like I disagree with a lot of what he's done but he seems
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like a-
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He's been an apologist his whole life.
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He's a kind guy, I'm not gonna lie to you, he's a kind human being.
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We were friends.
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Yeah.
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Hillary is a piece of shit.
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I don't know if you know this or not, but if you're a left wing person, guess what,
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you think Hillary's a piece of shit.
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So in that last clip, they were talking about getting milkshakes with Obama and that metaphor
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comes back.
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Well who would you share a milkshake with, Hillary Clinton or Rand Paul?
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You know I find Hillary Clinton, I could never vote for Hillary Clinton, she's in the pocket
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of Wall Street.
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But also Trump is not in the scene at this point.
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Fuck Mary Kil, Hillary Clinton, Rand Paul, milkshake.
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I'm gonna marry that milkshake, cuz I got a lifelong time with that milkshake.
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Right.
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Fuck Hillary Clinton and I'm gonna murder Rand Paul.
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That's sexist.
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Why?
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Wait, what if I, what if I-
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The pause is what kills it for me.
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The pause is what makes it for me.
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What if I started with murdering Rand Paul?
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She's a militaristic candidate and those are the two things that matter most to me.
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Rand Paul, I agree with him more around the question of militarism, but he also is a Wall
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Street favorite, so neither one of them really.
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I'd like to share a milkshake with you in Austin.
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Alright, if you come down here, we will share a milkshake.
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So now, Alex has kind of realized, we have three more clips, but like, one is substantive,
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and then the other two are Alex like, just desperately trying to save face.
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They're like, so he has now had this like, this is an opening to Riff, you're talking
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about milkshakes, we're gonna have a milkshake.
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Let's skip all of this shit where you dunk on me.
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Let's just have a good time.
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Let's pretend the last, I mean, like, we've been talking about this way too long.
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We really have a hard time imagining this is an hour interview.
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Let's go ahead and take two more calls and we'll let you go, I appreciate your time.
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This is a ridiculous debate, folks.
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We'll get him in person down here, we'll waterboard him, that's what patriots do, we'll get the
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answers, I'm joking.
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You guys waterboard people, what?
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It's a joke, I don't support waterboarding, even though Dick Cheney, you know, I'm a big
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fan of Dick Cheney, though.
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I'm so shocked.
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I'm joking.
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God damn it.
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His riffing is so bad, that's so bad.
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Conservatives will never be funny, they'll never happen.
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You know, there's like, sometimes you go out to like comedy shows and they have like two
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hosts, like the Putterball sisters, or you go out to Two Hour Comedy Hour here in Chicago,
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you see Andy Fleming and J. Michael Osborne, you know, hosting together, you see the two
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of them and then like one of them will say something, the other one will get really mad
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and be like, it's a joke!
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You see that kind of riffing in the wild?
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It's so good.
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It's so good.
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You ever see that two-man act?
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It's nuts to me how often Alex will say something that he's presenting as a joke and someone
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will be confused and then he'll get mad, they're like, it's a joke.
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It's a joke!
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But your joke was just, I'm into Cheney, and like, he has no reason to think you're not.
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The only, he's made it clear and is clear, he doesn't know who you are.
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You know what, here's what-
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Except that you like Rand Paul, and he has already established, Bill Ayers has, that
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he also thinks of Rand Paul as a corporate candidate.
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Yeah.
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He's also a Wall Street guy.
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Yeah.
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If he's on the outside, he's not.
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Yeah.
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He's a shithead.
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Yeah.
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Rand Paul?
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Maybe.
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Maybe!
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Only because he was too racist for Mame's team.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Only because he published, oh dude, I've been going, oh god damn it.
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Don't, now's not the time.
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We're gonna get there.
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We're gonna get there, Dan.
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But I don't know when it'll ever come up again.
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The only, the only thing-
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I don't know when it'll ever come up again.
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All right.
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Throw down.
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I found a clip from an episode that I don't think I'll ever be able to play.
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I wish I had it at the ready right now, like I had a sound effect box.
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But I have-
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That's right.
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That's our big failing, is we don't have a, we don't have a, yeah, we don't have a morning
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radio DJ, a Moog modulator, yeah.
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Clips of Alex at the ready.
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I found a clip of Alex Jones where he says, god damn, I'll find this and I'll post it
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eventually just because I have to confirm everything I say, but he says that every time
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a newspaper, like the Los Angeles Times or the Washington Post, whenever they don't sign
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an editorial, that means that it's the sense and the position of the paper.
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Now if that's true, then Ron Paul put out a newsletter for years and all of the things
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that were written in it were unsigned, but they were all written in the first person
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and a bunch of them were racist as fuck.
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Admiralty law.
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No, but if that argument stands- Capital letters.
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But if that argument stands for the LA Times, Washington Post, any other newsletter, then
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that means that everything that was written in the Ron Paul newsletter that didn't have
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a byline on it is the sense of the paper.
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And the sense of that paper is one article, there's advice in terms of like getting away
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with murder.
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It's crazy.
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Anyway.
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Jesus.
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You're right.
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I shouldn't have gotten into that.
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No, I'm fine with you getting into it.
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So I would say that the only caller that Alex has on the show that asks a meaningful question,
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because most of them are a little bit dickish, they're kind of like-
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They're Alex Jones callers.
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They're sort of trained to be against Bill Ayers.
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One guy has a question about education, and admittedly, this guy is coming at Bill from
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an aggressive position.
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Already.
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Off the jump.
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But at least his question is an invitation to something substantive.
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And Bill- Which is heretofore unheard of.
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And Bill allows the insults that this guy is clearly throwing at him.
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Like he's never heard a question laced with insults before.
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Water off a duck's back and just tries to deal-
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I'm literally a professor who's dealt with, it's like a road comic who's been on the road
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for 30 years, and it's like, oh, you think your heckle's fucking new?
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Come on, man.
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That's a road hack who bombed in the 70s.
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All right.
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And I question that, because you look at the current state of our educational system, it's
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absolutely just blasphemously ignorant and disgusting.
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Is that something that you advocate as being appropriate, or do you find there's a better
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model than what this public system is doing to demolish the brains of these young children?
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Well, I very much have been a person who's opposed the status quo in education, where
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I think we could start in a lot of different places, we could start.
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But one of the things is, public education very much serves the people who are privileged.
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So you go to a city like Winnetka, north of Chicago, those kids get a great education.
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Go to Chicago, those kids get a rotten education.
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Why?
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Because the education for the people who are pulling the strings is an education for initiative,
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courage, imagination, and entrepreneurship.
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The education that kids in Chicago get is about obedience and conformity.
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Real quick, don't say a thing.
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I just want to tell you, this exchange goes terribly for Alex.
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Just ahead of time.
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I didn't say anything.
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I understand.
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But I'm pausing here for-
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I specifically-
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I'm pausing-
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And when I didn't say anything, you felt the need to continue saying it.
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I was trying to be quiet.
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I'm pausing here to just enjoy that gorgeous sentiment that he gave, and then just to reinforce
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this is going to go so bad for Alex.
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Well, that's true, but shouldn't people in Chicago themselves change that?
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To say some small, wealthy town shouldn't use its own money for its kids is just fundamentally
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theft.
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Alex, you asked the question, and the answer I'll give you is yes.
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Shouldn't the people in Chicago change it?
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Yes.
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There you go.
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So I mean, I want people to do good.
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And I mean, certainly there's inequity, but there will always be, and any attempt to change
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it by just taking money creates a new evil.
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Patrick-
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Again, I never said anything about taking money.
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Here's what I would say.
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In a democracy, whatever the most privileged and wisest parents have for their children
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should be the baseline of what we want for all children.
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But we're not a democracy.
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We're a republic.
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We can't have two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
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Yeah.
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Well, the fact is that we want all kids, I want all kids to get a decent education, and
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a decent education is not an education for obedience and convenience.
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Do you like Common Core?
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No, I do not like Common Core, and the hugest thing that's hideous about Common Core is
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it goes along with the corporate reform agenda of reducing education to a simple-minded score
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on a standardized task.
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Well, I agree with you because-
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More testing, more testing, more testing, that is an anathema to education.
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Well, yeah, the left defends it all day, but you're actually right, Bill and Melinda Gates
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came up with it as a brainwashing system.
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It is a corporatist thing, and the right wing can't square that, that their precious corporations
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want a bunch of dumb zombies.
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Wait a minute, when you say the left supports it, who are you talking about?
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I think you've got some magical mindset somewhere.
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Am I the left?
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I don't support it.
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So who's the left that you're referring to that loves Common Core?
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The mainline democrats that can't tie their shoelaces and think that Martin Luther King
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is an astronaut.
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But I just said to you, I thought that leading democrats are idiots, and they're like leading
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republicans.
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In fact, we have one political party in this country in charge, it's called the Repulsocrats.
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Nice.
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The Repulsocrats.
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All right, well, I do-
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Oh, boy.
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That's Alex falling in love with him the same way you've fallen in love with him.
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Hold on, hold on, did we just put a poster of Bill Ayers dunking all over the American
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government?
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Did we just put a poster of-
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Did- can- is Nancy Pelosi have a basketball in her balls right now, like what just happened
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right there?
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That's a-
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Look, look, as far as the American government goes, fuck it, and Bill Ayers is right, and
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go fuck yourself.
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No, totally.
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Yeah.
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But more to-
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Fucking nailed it.
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But the dynamic that we're more interested in is Alex, is like-
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Right.
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No, no, I apologize.
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I'm sorry, I'm just having a great time.
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Look-
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Alex-
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How many-
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Dan, how many fucking times on this show has anybody ever come close to the way I feel
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about shit?
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There's very, very few instances-
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What are we talking about?
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For the first time, there's a guest on Alex's show who is like, I'm 95% on Jordan's side.
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But he's not yelling.
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Come on, man, let me have-
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He's not yelling.
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No, I know.
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I know.
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That's why I'm leaving the 5% out.
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That's why he's-
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The 5% is loud.
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The 5% is me.
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Calm down.
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Just say your piece.
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But yeah, no, it is interesting, because if you had been around in the 70s, you probably
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would have been bombing shit.
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Oh, I would have been bombing shit so hard.
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I'm halfway towards bombing shit now.
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I just can't.
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You're the mad bomber who bombs at midnight.
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Ooh.
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I'm the mad pooper, actually.
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Is that from The Tick?
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Yes, I believe so.
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All right.
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But like the cartoon version?
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Yeah.
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He's Chippendale.
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I don't have you.
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What's his face?
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Patrick Warburton.
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Patrick Warburton.
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Yeah.
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But he was in both.
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Yeah.
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Also on News Radio.
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Yep.
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Do you want to talk about-
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Yeah, he was on the fifth season of News Radio.
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Who cares about the fifth season?
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He took over for Jimmy James.
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He was Johnny Johnson, I believe.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right, Dan.
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Dan, flying the bird.
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Don't care about anything that happened past season three on News Radio.
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I will accept season four.
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Phil Hartman dies.
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I am out.
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Phil Hartman dies at the end of season four.
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Excuse me.
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At the beginning of season five.
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I was off by one.
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Yeah.
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But anyway-
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I know.
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I agree.
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Every year I watch News Radio and then cry once a year.
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Anyways.
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So at this point, Jordan, we've got to end this episode.
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Yes.
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We're on eight and a half hours.
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But we will do it better, I guarantee, than Alex does.
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Because I would say that this, perhaps, it's not been good up until this point, but this
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is the world's worst dismount I've ever heard for an interview, which is fucking awesome
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because if there was a time for Alex to gracefully get out of an interview, it's when he has
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just shit the bed against his ostensible rival.
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Right.
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No, like his-
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Who he has no business being-
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Mythological rival.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He has no business being rivals against.
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Instead, he embarrasses himself so hard.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This is hilarious.
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No, it's a caterpillar versus Zeus.
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This is so hilarious.
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I do appreciate you joining us.
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I'm late, but thank you for talking to me, and I hope to talk to you in Austin someday.
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If you come down to Austin, we'll host you in studio, and even though it's evil and capitalist,
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we'd pay for your hotel room and the strawberry milkshakes.
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I don't think there's any wrong with paying for the hotel room.
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We'll talk again.
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Be well.
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We'll put some vodka in the milkshake.
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I have no idea.
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We'll get you drunk, the truth serum.
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What is that in Latin that wine makes you tell the truth?
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In vitro veritas.
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I have no idea.
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You want to have a drinking contest and sell tickets?
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No, I don't drink, but thanks anyway.
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Me neither.
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Vino veritas.
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Have a good one.
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Oh, boy.
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Well, that's the hardcore commie trying to charm us and, oh, I don't know this, oh, I
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don't know that.
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Yeah, that wasn't at it for sure.
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No, that was not, I don't know this, I don't know that.
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No, that one wasn't at it for sure.
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That wasn't at it for sure.
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That's him trying to pretend like, well, that was the commie.
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Yeah.
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At the end of it, he's like, hey, you want to have a drinking contest?
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You want to go get fucked up?
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You want to have a drinking contest for charity?
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I don't drink.
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Neither do I.
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Awesome.
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By the way, Bill, if you want to come to the show on June 15th.
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I don't think he lives in Austin.
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We'll miss him.
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We will miss him.
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So I got to pee again, so let's wrap this up.
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This is embarrassing for Alex.
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Super.
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I love it.
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I love it so much.
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Amazing.
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I had such a good time.
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One thing to notice is that Bill Ayers is not from Austin, his birthday isn't June 15th,
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but all of those things relate to our show in Austin.
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June 15th, Be Your Land, 10 p.m.
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I think the most important thing is that I have never been so quiet because my point
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of view has been represented so perfectly.
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It's bullshit.
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You've been screaming your ass off this entire time.
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Shut up.
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Anyways, we're on iTunes.
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I think you feel like you have a- Anyways, we're on iTunes.
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We're also on Twitter at Knowledge Underscore Fight.
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Facebook.
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Facebook?
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What?
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Go home, tell your mother.
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You're brilliant.
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Good Facebook group.
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If you enjoy our show, then you should join the group because I post way more on that
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than the Facebook page.
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Yeah, and we don't do the Twitter that much at all.
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Twitter's evil.
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I'm against Twitter.
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Both of them are con jobs.
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They only have this thing where they show it to a certain amount of people who follow
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you unless you pay them and it's bullshit.
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I don't want to play that game.
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In the group, much more people see it, so therefore, please join the group.
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There you go.
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Anyway, let's get out of here, but you- No, it's on you.
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It's actually your turn.
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Remember the last time you got mad at me?
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Fine.
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It's very easy.
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Guys, we appreciate everything.
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Have a great time with your life, but before we get out of here, got to say, Larry Grathwall,
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you dumb, dumb piece of shit FBI informant sack of garbage, go fuck yourself.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
