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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed, that is what we do, Dan.
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Indeed.
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We do it every time.
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Oh, pretty much every time, that's what we do.
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Oh, that's true, we don't do it every time.
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We've done it differently.
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Rip it.
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A few times.
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Rip it!
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We're just gonna talk over each other this whole time.
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Might have a terrible rhythm for the day.
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Jordan, today we're drinking Rip It, and I told you before the show there's a reason.
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Yes! Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You, as a goof, and maybe to attack me, got me a patriotic themed...
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You are so, so defensive.
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Already off to a defensive start.
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You got me a patriotic themed can of Rip It one time.
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Yes!
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And I went to the store, and I was looking for a novelty beverage for us to drink earlier.
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Right.
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And I came upon...
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Probably patriotically.
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I came upon the cans of Rip It energy drink, and I'd never really looked at them.
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Almost all of them have sexual names.
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Really?
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Yeah, so this one is three-way.
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Okay.
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There's a bunch of, like, really suggestive-y, like, pervy energy drink names.
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I did not know that.
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I was like, we gotta celebrate that.
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Alright.
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We gotta give that a thumbs up.
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We gotta rip it.
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Yeah, indeed.
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Speaking of something else, we gotta rip.
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You just, also, you just rattle off the name of a modern Poe story.
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When I came upon a bottle of Rip It.
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Indeed.
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I am a modern day poet.
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Uh-huh.
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Uh, so, uh, before we get going at the show, we gotta give a couple shout-outs to a couple
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new policy wonks.
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What?
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Uh, we got a couple of new donations, like, to give a shout-out to, what's up, Jim?
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you for joining up with the team.
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Jim, welcome aboard.
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Jimmy.
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Uh, also...
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I like to, I like to turn...
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Jimmy James.
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I like to call Jims Jimmy.
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Macho He-Man Donkey Wrestler.
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T, uh, Tim becomes Timmy.
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Any of those, like, uh, any name that can have...
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That can be extended will be extended.
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The problem is the next one's not gonna work.
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Okay.
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And you'll see why.
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All right.
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Let's give a shout-out to our other new policy wonk.
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What's going on out there, Chris?
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Hey, Chrissy!
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How you doing?
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Doesn't work nearly as well.
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Doesn't work nearly as well.
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Um, so...
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Thank you very much for joining up, Chris.
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Yes.
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If you'd like to become...
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Welcome to the ranks of the policy wonk.
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Indeed.
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If you'd like to become one yourself, you may go to our website, knowledgefight.com,
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click support the show, and, uh, then you can become a policy wonk.
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It's basically that simple.
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Uh, anyway...
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It happens really quickly.
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Like, there isn't a long...
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Instantaneous.
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There isn't a long form you need to fill out.
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Nope.
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You don't need to mail anything.
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There's no delivery.
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No rebates are involved.
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Nope.
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No CODs.
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No, uh...
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Nope.
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Nope.
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No return envelopes.
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Uh-uh.
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Nothing.
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Uh-uh.
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It's just, like, boom, like that.
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You're a policy wonk.
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FedEx will follow you around for a week.
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Sure.
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It's a very strange arrangement we have.
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It's in the fine print.
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It's legal.
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Yep.
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If you get out of line, they will pick you up and send you back to us.
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It's a very weird thing.
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Speaking of out of line...
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I'd like you to check out today's out of context clip.
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And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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Nico, as producer, I know I ask you to help me when I get off track.
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Because there really is no program director here.
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It's me.
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But...
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I am out of control.
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I'm a...
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Yeah.
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That is an off-air conversation.
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I'm out of control.
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Hey, I ask you to help me out, because I should hire people to do a good job.
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Hey, Nico, I don't know what I'm doing.
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But it's me, and I...
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I am a fraud.
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No, I don't know what I'm doing on a day.
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Oh, are we still on air?
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Oh, shit.
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Oh, boy.
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So today's episode, Jordan, we're going to be going over the January 11th, 2016 episode.
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Oh, we're back in the past!
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We are.
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And thank goodness.
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Thank God, yeah.
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Now, when we go back to January 11th, the last one in the past we did ended on January 7th.
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Indeed.
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He had a couple days where David Knight hosted.
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Right.
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So you can skip over those.
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And we get to the 11th, and the world is reeling on January 11th, because right before that,
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I believe on the 10th, David Bowie had passed away.
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Oh.
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And the world is in mourning.
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And Alex Jones, at the beginning of his show, decides...
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Oh, God, no.
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Don't talk about David Bowie.
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Decides to eulogize David Bowie.
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Oh, I don't want Alex Jones eulogizing David Bowie.
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It's very weird.
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It's not as bad as you might expect.
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But it's very weird.
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All right.
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So there goes David Bowie making the jump into hyperspace.
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Didn't agree with a lot of his politics, but definitely a very, very talented artist.
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And I tell you, you can't get a more English or Welsh name than his real name.
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We're sorry to see him go.
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Condolences to his family.
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Some good lyrics.
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We just want to talk about...
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His real name was David Jones.
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That's why the old British Navy called the bottom of the ocean Davey Jones's Locker,
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because so many David Joneses went to the bottom of the sea.
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That's the most common name, at least in olden times, in jolly old England, is David Jones.
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That's my dad's name.
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I wonder why my grandparents gave him the most common name there is.
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He just provided so much history to music.
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He changed things.
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But David Jones at age 69 is dead, and it's not my father.
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But I got up this morning with about 6.30, went in, turned on the computer, David Bowie's
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dad, real name David Jones.
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I knew his name was David Jones.
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But when you look at it in basically the same age as my dad, it gives you a jolt that, man,
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I want my dad to be around as long as he can be.
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That's my personal angle on the whole David Bowie situation.
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Great.
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That's your angle.
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That's your angle on the David Bowie situation.
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Like you said, there's no moment where he's like condolences or like he made a monumental
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impact on art and the world.
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The closest he comes to it is...
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Those are some good lyrics.
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My take on the whole David Bowie situation is, I don't want my dad to die.
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I experienced one of the biggest celebrities of the last 50 years who happen to have the
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same name as my dad die, and the only thing I can think about is, hope my dad doesn't
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die.
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To all of the millions of people who have been affected by his music, which he has changed
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genres multiple times, he has extended rights for people who generally didn't have them
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as a very public trans representative icon there as well.
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He's done so many amazing things, more hit records than you could possibly imagine.
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But you know what?
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I just don't want my dad to die.
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Fair enough.
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Hey, and if you think that that was just a stray thought, he revisits the theme later
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in the show.
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And David Jones died yesterday, and I'm glad it wasn't my dad.
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It was David Bowie.
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People say, what are you talking about?
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That was his real name.
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Great.
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That doesn't matter.
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No.
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Why are you...
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How could you make David Bowie dying about...
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Oh, wait, no.
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Never mind.
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Of course.
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I was there whenever David Bowie died, and I think everybody made it about them.
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Holy shit.
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I wish...
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The first thing I thought was, I hope it wasn't Alex's dad.
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I know where I was when I got the news that David Jones, who might have been Alex Jones's
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dad, died.
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Oh, my God.
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It was everywhere.
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Isn't that...
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I mean, I'm glad that we can have this kind of fun buffoonery, because this episode's
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gonna go bad.
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God damn it, Dan.
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But I'm just glad that we can have these flickers of just him being an idiot amidst very deeply
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problematic things that happened on this episode.
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So like I said, we're back in 2016, because I'm trying to figure out the transition from
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accepting Trump around the middle of December 2015 to when does he go whole hog into...
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Renaissance 2.0 Americano returns from the dead.
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Yep.
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And I believe that...
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Coming for you, not white people.
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I believe it happens on January 11th.
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Okay.
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I think it took him two weeks.
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Quick.
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What?
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So that sounds long for our narrative transitions, right?
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It's true.
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He should have cooked that up in a weekend.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I agree.
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You're gonna hear a couple things in this episode that I think are like, well, the jump
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has happened.
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And I think it makes it clear what the jump is, because Roger Stone is a guest on this
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episode again.
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And I think that Alex accidentally makes way too clear that all of it is just Roger Stone
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spitting in his ear.
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Worm tongue style.
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So on the 11th, today, that we're going over, on the 12th, two massive narratives begin.
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On the 12th, he has the guy who created Clinton Cash on.
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The guy who wrote that book.
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Oh, okay.
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I thought that was another cryptocurrency that we have at...
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It's like MaxCoin.
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Yeah, exactly.
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No, it's that book about the Clinton family's dirty deeds that were not done dirt cheap.
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And Von Scott, same name as my dad.
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So I hope he doesn't die.
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We have, he comes on and he talks about the Uranium One deal.
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And so that narrative gets introduced on January 12th.
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Right.
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Now, let's see what...
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I'm glad that it stayed right where it belonged in the past, because there's really nothing
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to do with it.
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I'm sure that there's no way that they've run with that narrative for...
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What time is it?
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Oh boy.
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So here's the narrative that gets launched on January 11th.
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I want to get into all the huge news here in a moment, but here's MIT Technology Review.
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This is propaganda.
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I have seen similar articles from MIT and from BBC and from other prestigious publications
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for 20 years, since I became a news hound and began reading up to 10 newspapers a day.
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Back at that time.
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Now it's even more than I scheme.
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The instant I saw this headline, I didn't know what it was, but I didn't just believe
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myself.
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I read the article this morning.
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You have to brag about reading newspapers.
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You're not reading newspapers.
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You would have heard this on the show.
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If you've just been listening a year, probably 50 times.
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If you've been listening 10 years, you've probably heard it thousands of times.
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Yep.
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Agreed.
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So they should talk about it even more.
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All the rest of what we look at is window dressing.
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You've got nothing!
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Human animal chimeras are cascading on US research farms.
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So that article that he cites the headline of all the time came out on January 10th.
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So he now has a headline to read that verifies all of this stuff he's been yelling about
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for a while.
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And he claims that he comes across hundreds of articles about this.
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And that can't possibly be the case because he only references this article ever.
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Right.
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Well, didn't you know that it happened on the day, like what was it, January 10th?
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Did you know that was inaugural?
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Every headline is the exact same headline day?
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I didn't know that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Every newspaper in the world published that exact headline.
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We've got to stop it with these national days, National Pepperoni Pizza Day, National Every
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Headline Matches Day.
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That's the name of my dad.
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I don't want him to die.
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Oh, no.
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National Pepperoni Pizza Day.
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Let's finish up this clip.
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And then I knew what the next line would be.
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They're growing human tissue in cows and pigs.
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Just like they call baby's tissue or embryonic stem cells when they're seven months old being
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butchered live on a table and dissected, they take them out live and then hook them up to
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apparatus to keep them alive and then harvest them.
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That was the only time Facebook Live was justifiable.
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Told you that 20 years ago.
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Love that.
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Now it's mainstream news.
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Riveting.
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I've told you this thousands of times and I've seen this article, let's not exaggerate,
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a hundred plus times.
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Let's not exaggerate.
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It's always the same playbook.
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Oh, did you know some firms are starting to implant tissue inside cows, inside pigs.
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Ladies and gentlemen, they're not implanting tissue.
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They're growing humanoids up to 50 and 60 pounds inside cows and inside pigs.
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And I'm going to say something else right now.
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That's what we know was going on 30 years ago because when I learned about it 20 years
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ago, it was in research papers declassified 10 years before that.
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This is a math problem.
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I don't care to do.
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Yeah, that's.
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Now hold on.
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Now let's, uh, let's get into this.
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All right.
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So you're growing humanoids, right?
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Do you want them to look humanoid?
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He does say that it's humans without heads at some point.
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All right.
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But they don't want to have heads on them because it's too freaky to the researcher.
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Oh, you might give them a name and then you're fucked.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I can't do that.
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It's terrible enough that they have those fish beings with human fear in their faces
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and what have you.
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Right, right, right.
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They're such a bummer.
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Had a Christmas party with them one year.
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Fucking terrible.
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Ridiculous.
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Um, so that felt up in the, nevermind.
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50 to 60 pounds.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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What's the average human birth weight?
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About 10.
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I would say about nine or 10.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So this would be like a three year old, even more than that.
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This would be a large headless humanoid.
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Yeah, exactly.
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What kind of gestational period would you have to have in order to get something to
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50 pounds?
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Also, why?
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Right.
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It's nonsense.
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But even if you read the article, that's not what it's about.
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None of these articles are about that.
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What could you posit other than like, if the scientists were just like, yeah, we want to
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see how big we could grow a person without a head and you guys wouldn't let us do it
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and Diane over there.
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So we picked a fucking cow.
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I don't know.
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That's the only legitimate reason for doing whatever it is he thinks.
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Well, see that, that goes to Alex's argument though, because his whole thing about the
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chimeras is they're not humans, they're not animals.
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They're the middle.
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So they have no rights.
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Right.
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Animals have rights.
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Human humans have rights.
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These guys don't.
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It's well, see, so you're actually being like, this is a good reason to do it because they
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don't have rights.
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It's a fair look.
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It's not.
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That's what you're doing.
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It's not what's going on though.
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If you can get that.
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We've got to be clear about that.
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If you can justify it in the budget, I'm all for growing headless humanoids and cows.
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Fair enough.
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You heard it here.
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The one podcast.
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Soft yes on white genocide.
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Yup.
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Okay with headless chimeras being created.
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You nailed it.
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I saw Full Metal Alchemist.
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I'm fine with it.
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I'm just excited that we found the day that that article came out and it sort of became
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a very big piece of Alex Jones's narratives.
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That's nice to track.
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I'm glad we have a reference point.
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The rest of this episode is going to be a bit embarrassing and I think a lot of it is
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going to demonstrate very fully that Alex Jones has taken a certain piece of bait and
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it's changing him and his perspective is starting to get overblown.
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Like Daddy Shark?
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Chompa Chompa.
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That's not even the right sound effect.
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I think that, I don't want to get biblical on it, but I think there's some sort of forbidden
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fruit that Alex has taken a bite of and he's seeing the world a little bit differently
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and it's not real.
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He's starting to get an illusory view of his own importance in the world and his place
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and how I would describe it is he's come to a point where there are too many people manipulating
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him that he doesn't know what direction's up.
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And the chief manipulator that's driving him in a specific direction is Roger Stone.
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And in this next clip, I think you will be able to see pretty clearly that he has 100%
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taken Roger Stone's bait.
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Whatever Roger Stone dangled out in front of him, whatever promise of relevancy, of
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making social change, he's in.
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Donald Trump leading in three big national polls, trouncing Hillary Clinton, 20% of Democrats
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coming over to him, devastating victory.
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I think he's for real.
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I think they may try to kill him.
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We have his shadow campaign head.
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I mean, Stone left the campaign so he can run things on his own, obviously, that the
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campaign can't do.
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You should not say that.
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Nope.
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That's incriminating.
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Super PACs and all the rest of it, but it's all completely kosher.
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No, it's not.
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Angelique inspired torpedoes about Clinton raping and then the Bushes and their drug
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dealing.
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By the way, Stone, of course, was one of Nixon's top people, one of George Bush Sr.'s top people.
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Already questionably illegal.
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One of the top Republican strategists in the country.
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That's why he works for Trump and he's gone full Alex Jones, coming here on air, just
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saying the government runs the drugs, world government, we've got to stop them.
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That's who's advising Trump.
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A guy that used to run U.S. operations to get people elected in other countries, not
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just here.
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You can probably guess that guy.
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Shouldn't say that.
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Yes.
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Real serious.
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So Roger Stone has presented himself in a certain way to Alex and Alex is loving, but
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as a kingmaker.
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And if you parse through what Alex is saying there, I think you do get a little piece of
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truth and that that argument that I've made that I believe he left the campaign in order
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to do exactly this.
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Right.
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I think that's true.
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And I think Alex is expressing it, but very obviously, which he should not be doing, but
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he doesn't express it in terms of reality, which is Roger Stone left the campaign to
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flip me.
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That's what the reality of the situation is, right, not that, hey, he left to do good.
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He left.
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Yeah.
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He left to help the world or something like that.
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No, he went on a kung fu style journey, right?
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He just wanders from a political campaign to political campaign.
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He left solving problems.
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He left because if he was involved with the campaign, he couldn't be an arch propagandist.
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He couldn't.
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Well, maybe he could.
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Actually, I don't know.
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Is that legal?
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Would it be legal for him to work for Infowars while running a presidential campaign?
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No, it would not be legal.
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Why is that?
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Because you can't work for a media outlet, something like that, maybe.
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You have to disclose your conflicts of interest.
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They don't follow any other ethical rules at Infowars.
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I don't see why that would be an issue.
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I don't know why they'd have a sticking point there, but be that as it may, it would come
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off as like if he was still involved in the campaign, there's no way the credibility would
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be there for the audience.
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The way that he would still be involved in the campaign is, of course, through shady
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bullshit back deals.
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Which is what happened.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like the ones with those people who can steal elections and the rich guys who can steal
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elections.
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Right.
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And the guy himself whose credits Alex just listed are stealing elections.
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And he's saying that he's gone overseas and helped run sneak campaigns.
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That's what I'm saying.
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If we look at his, you know, people he's worked with, Paul Manafort, of course, the classic
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example is in the Ukraine, Yannicovich.
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And that was not good.
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General Flynn in Turkey.
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Sure.
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And now that's starting to get flipped by the right wing media.
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Of course.
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Here's the fucking thing.
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It's totally fine because he's a dictator too.
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We love him here.
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We love him there.
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We love dictators everywhere.
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The argument is being made by Alex now.
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And that means that I imagine Hannity soon or maybe already.
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And I just haven't heard attention to that asshole that Gulen, the cleric who who Flynn
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and Erdogan were trying to extradite illegally.
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Right.
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Also known as kidnapping.
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I've heard that before to back to Turkey because now Batman did it.
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Batman did it.
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Batman did it in the Dark Knight.
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Remember Rappaport?
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No, no, no, no.
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The actual Batman.
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Oh, yeah.
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Christopher Nolan's Batman.
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Batman flies to China and he steals that guy.
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Oh, that's totally not an international incident that people should be worried about.
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Part of Batman?
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That part of Batman is predictive programming, getting us comfortable with the idea that
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it's fine for you to go to another country and extradite somebody illegally.
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I think that would be a huge international incident.
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He was a high ranking banker.
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I think adults have always looked at Batman as sort of morally gray.
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There's always been like a grain of like, hmm, it's a little fucked up.
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Yeah.
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But I mean, in this regard, sure, the issue, at least the president would be called.
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The issue is that that's the sort of shit that Stone and his associates have been involved
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in.
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And now he's he's playing Alex perfectly.
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Right.
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I mean, we listened to on the last episode, I believe, Roger Stone telling Alex that Trump
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played him.
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Yeah.
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And this is Stone playing Alex for Trump as the interstitial, as the way of getting in
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the door.
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And now it's even more exciting for Roger in the present because he gets to openly openly
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tell him to his face, like, hey, we tricked you and you can't even say anything about
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it because even if you knew you were being tricked, which you don't, you can't reveal
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that we tricked you because you're dumb.
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Because what's the most important thing to your ego and your masculinity?
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You admit that I've tricked you for two years.
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That's the most humbling thing in the world.
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Can't do that.
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No, I mean, Alex's only shot right now really is Roger Stone going down for some of this
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Russia stuff.
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Yeah.
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Alex not being indicted.
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Then he can then he can act like he was, you know, secretly fighting against Roger Stone.
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I believed he meant, well, you could you could play that as like I got tricked.
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Or you could say he was an FBI agent all along.
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True.
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That's probably the way to go.
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Like, I got tricked by the globalists, by a sleeper globalist within the globalist cell
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that's been pretending to be Nixonites.
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This is not a good angle.
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No, it is not.
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But at the same time, let's not like war games our way accidentally into a strategy that
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could work for him.
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Let's not put that kind of effort into this.
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Stop trying to help Info Wars.
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Gotcha.
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But like I said, I believe that at this point, the beginning of January 2016, Alex doesn't
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know what directions up.
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He's got Roger Stone pulling him in one direction.
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And then he has all sorts of other people who are pulling him in other direction.
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Right.
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As you can hear in this next clip, he's being fucked with by everybody, shooter, a Philadelphia
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policeman described as a quiet, devout Muslim Reuters.
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But you watch Fox News and they're calling it extremist.
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And again, I didn't want the wars with Muslim countries.
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I don't think they're all bad people.
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But the folks they're bringing in that invaded Syria are the worst of the worst.
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And by the way, coming up, Paul Watson joins us and then I'm going to air three minutes
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from the exclusive hour plus long interview.
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We're going to premiere here on air next Wednesday with my sit down interview with Louis Farrakhan.
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And I had a feeling first time I ever asked to interview him.
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From some of his speeches and things about, you know, Mohammed was a beautiful white man
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and some white people can be good and we need to work together.
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Really changing a lot of what he said.
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And, you know, I went and interviewed him and he basically said, I've changed.
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I do get mad and say some things I probably shouldn't, but I don't want a civil war.
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I don't want to race war.
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And so that's a big deal to have Louis Farrakhan.
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I don't want to say we're influencing him, but I just got to tell you the facts, folks.
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Vladimir Putin does listen.
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Louis Farrakhan does listen.
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Matt Drudge listens.
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Everybody from Jeff Bridges to Kurt Russell to you.
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I mean, you name it.
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I'm not bragging.
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I want you to know the info war is mega successful.
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I shot that is bragging mentions yesterday.
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Just so is this nonchalant took me 15 minutes to shoot three of them live in how many views
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that had a million and a half yesterday.
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On top of my radio show, the Sunday show reaches two million people, terrestrially, this one
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about four million a day now, but not mentioning all the YouTube videos and podcasts we're
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reaching.
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I'm not saying 20 million a week, we've been doing some of the numbers.
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It looks like about 28 million people actually tune in every week.
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So keep that in mind.
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Oh, boy.
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So he's got this sense of inflated stats that are coming in.
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Right.
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He has the Vladimir Putin listens, which we know comes probably from his contact with
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Russian intelligence.
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Right.
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When he thought he was going to an interview with RT and boom, it turned out to be a bunch
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of people sitting around a table debriefing him.
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Hey, listen to this next clip, because it explains what happened with the Nation of
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Islam when he went to go visit them.
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And this is embarrassing.
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No, no.
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You can say what you want about Louis Farrakhan a year ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
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They take a lot of what he says out of context.
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Some of it I disagree with, even in the context of the full clip.
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That is what's happening here, he's trying to be diplomatic.
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And we're actually trying to build a better world.
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Does that mean I endorse everything Louis Farrakhan says?
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Absolutely not.
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Same thing back at me.
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But it's a big deal because he's one of the biggest black leaders in the world.
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He's a big deal.
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In fact, they say a prophet's not in their own country, to have that quote.
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Not a plasma that aren't prophets, but the point is that he's even bigger in Europe and
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Africa and places in the Middle East than he is here.
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So him coming out like that, saying the things he says is powerful about world government,
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new world order that he's been watching me for a long time.
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They would do stuff like turn a computer on and then I'd already be on and they'd be like,
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excuse us.
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And they're like, we listen every day.
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We watch every day.
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I was up there in the big boardroom of these guys in the entire leadership of the Nation
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of Islam basically.
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And I recognize these faces.
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A lot of them were very successful black business leaders, you know, people that were well known.
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And I was like, I recognize these people's faces.
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So these people that like own businesses, your big companies, you name it, like they
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were all super serious, super focused.
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I was shocked by it.
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Why?
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Why is that shocking?
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They were serious about being in a room with military commanders or something.
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And so that was very refreshing compared to the brain dead public.
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Again, I'm not endorsing what they're saying or doing, but the globalist are the ones putting
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the cancer viruses in the vaccines.
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Right.
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He got played like a fiddle.
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It's very easy to do, apparently.
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The idea, I mean, we've even talked about it because he's brought that story up in the
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past.
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The idea of they turned on computers and oh my God, Alex Jones is on the computer.
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That's a setup, baby.
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Gotta see through that.
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That has the ring of like a plan in a heist movie, like in a con man movie.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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They rent out an office and they do it up real nice for a day and then everything gets
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torn down.
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Everybody put up Alex Jones posters.
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We got him.
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Now we can get into the Louvre.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, exactly.
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This is classic sort of softening techniques.
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Oh yeah.
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This is absolutely like, I'm on your side.
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Oh, hey.
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Oops.
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We weren't reading Infowars articles.
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You caught us.
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If there's one thing that I know about Louis Farrakhan, it's that he's not thrilled with
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the Jews.
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If there's two things I know about him, it's that he's not thrilled with the Jews and that
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he's fairly media savvy.
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He knows these sorts of things.
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He's survived this long in a fairly hostile media landscape.
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Oh yeah, especially to him.
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Yeah, he knows some tricks.
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He's not going to go into an interview with Alex and not have some little tricks along
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the way in order to make it a more hospitable situation.
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So I mean, he's got Russia fucking with him on one hand.
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He's got Roger Stone fucking with him.
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Now he has the Nation of Islam fucking with him for no reason.
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Like there's no end game to that one.
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Yeah, I know.
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Louis Farrakhan just was like, I'm bored.
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I'll accept an interview from Alex.
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Yeah, come on.
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Why the fuck not?
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I don't understand.
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Maybe I'll get some yokels to join the Nation of Islam.
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It's possible.
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I mean, I imagine he might have had the same agenda that Alex had in terms of the interview,
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which is maybe we have very different audiences.
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Maybe some of your people will...
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Maybe we can cross-pollinate?
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Yeah, but the only problem is that Louis Farrakhan, his positions are so specifically, it's fairly
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black supremacist.
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Yeah.
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And Alex's positions are entirely...
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Which I am a soft no on.
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Alex's positions are solidly white supremacist.
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Which I am a hard no on.
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There's not a lot of opportunity for cross-pollination.
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No.
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So that seems foolish to me in terms of that strategy.
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I don't know why.
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The other two, Russia, Roger Stone, makes total sense.
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Maybe it's just for larger attention.
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I assume they both imagine that if they were to sit down and talk to each other, other
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media outlets would pick it up and be like, look, it's Alex Jones talking to Louis Farrakhan.
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Farrakhan gets more media exposure.
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Alex Jones gets more media exposure.
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It's a win-win for everybody, especially if Farrakhan comes off looking great.
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Yeah, it's a stunt, but then I think there's also a small part of probably both of their
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minds that they can reach detente by convincing the other one of something.
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Really?
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I think they're probably...
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I haven't watched the whole interview.
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I've only seen the clips he's played.
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They can't just sit down and agree on anti-Semitism and is like, hey, look, you think black people
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are the best.
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I think white people are the best.
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Let's just both agree to hate the Jews.
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I think that might be what they agree on.
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I think that might be what they agree on.
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I think they're calling it globalists and what have you.
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Now in this next clip, Alex does a Louis Farrakhan impression.
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Now I'm in.
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He told me in a private meeting, he said it wasn't off record, but we met for 45 minutes
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before the interview.
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He said, I think Donald Trump may be the answer to save America, but I don't know how to say
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it because he says things that are bad.
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Is that Larry Nichols?
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So do I sometimes when I'm angry, but I think he really is outside the system and he could
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break it.
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But I'm not making fun of him.
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That's how he talks.
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I'm sitting there with Louis Farrakhan, I've been talking to him 10 minutes and he's endorsing
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Donald Trump.
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I mean, stay there, Paul, we'll be back.
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So he's talking to Paul Joseph Watson, who's on the line there, and he says Louis Farrakhan
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privately to him endorsed Donald Trump.
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I'd like to read an interview with Louis Farrakhan from the Final Call magazine, Final Call editor
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Richard B. Muhammad.
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This is a question that he's asking.
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Yes.
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Welcome, on behalf of the Final Call newspaper, our staff and our readers, we thank you for
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granting us this interview.
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Many news outlets have reported or perhaps misreported that you praised, endorsed, supported
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or commended Donald Trump.
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What did you actually say and what's your view on Donald Trump, Farrakhan?
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I never endorsed Mr. Trump.
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I think I'm going to need you to do it in the voice Alex Jones did.
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I can't do that.
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That's degrading and embarrassing.
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I never endorsed Mr. Trump or any of the candidates who were running for the nomination that would
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make them the leader of their party.
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I said of Mr. Trump that I give him credit as the only one who stood in front of some
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members of the Jewish community and told them he did not need or want their money.
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Oh, boy.
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Oh, that's oh, wow.
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Congratulations, Alex.
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Oh, although you know what?
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If you're Alex Jones and you hear Louis Farrakhan say, I'm glad Donald Trump stood up to the
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Jews, you're like, oh, well, you love Donald Trump then wait until you see all the other
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things he does to the Jews.
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I didn't say that.
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I didn't say that.
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He globalist.
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He finished his answer by saying, I could never endorse any candidate because not one
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of them is saying that which would save America from the wrath of Allah.
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OK, cool.
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Everybody's really concerned about the wrath of other gods.
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Right.
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Everybody's really bummed out about God's wrath.
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Seems like gods are getting wrathful in people's imagination.
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Maybe we try some better gods.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Some soft God.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Chill God.
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Let's try like Poochy the dog is a god now.
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I'm into it.
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That's why you went to space.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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He went back to his home planet.
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OK.
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To be the god of Earth now, like Thor.
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Poochy's like Thor.
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So everybody from now on, we worship Poochy the dog or Thor or Thor.
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I accept Thor.
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OK.
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All right.
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And yeah.
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Pray whenever you like or don't.
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I'm going to stick with Cthulhu for now, but I appreciate your perspective.
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That's a wrathful guy too.
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Yeah.
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But he's asleep.
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Who cares?
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He's down in Relyea sleeping.
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I support any religion that's like, our God's asleep.
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Don't even worry about it.
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He's asleep dreaming and he makes men dream so they know to be scared.
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Look, life is like the board game Don't Wake Daddy.
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Right.
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That's what God is to me.
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100%.
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And it's also like ants in my pants.
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Absolutely.
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And Don't Break the Ice.
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Ah, damn it.
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I was just about to get to Don't Break the Ice.
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That whole string of shit games.
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But now I've got to get to Guess Who.
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Ah, that's a different company.
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It's God.
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No.
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That'd be a very different form of guessing.
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Oh, if one of them was God?
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Yeah.
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Is he omnipotent?
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Fuck.
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Shit.
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Got it again.
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So someone who's not omnipotent is Paul Joseph Watson.
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Great transition again.
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He comes in for an interview and it's about the Muslim rape crisis that's going on in
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Europe.
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And as we've discussed and broken down in some great detail in past episodes, a lot
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of this is overblowing statistics.
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There are issues, certainly, as there are in every country.
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It's not some sort of migrant rape gang stuff.
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A lot of that is fairly traceable back to Russian propaganda outlets because they would
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like to destabilize the European community and like to demonize Muslims and immigrants
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that come in.
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Yeah.
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It's a hard thing to, like, it's a very difficult thing to talk about because you can't just
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be like, this is bullshit because no, there is a huge problem with, and this is, the problem
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is, it's a huge problem for everybody.
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It's a men problem.
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So it's not like us being like, eh, there's no Muslim crisis or there's no rape or anything
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like that.
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It's all propaganda.
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No, it's, they are twisting it to make it look as if it is a certain religion as opposed
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to an entire gender, which is garbage.
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It's just the weaponization of misrepresentation of statistics.
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Exactly.
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And that's what Alex does with the, all of these immigrants who are coming in are military
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aged men.
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Of course.
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All this stuff.
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Not true.
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No, he does all that stuff and it's, it's a fun game, makes him a lot of money.
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It's not true.
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Not true.
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But Paul Joseph Watson is talking about it and then he cites a particular source at the
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end of this and it's deeply problematic.
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Oh, that's not good.
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You've got the German interior minister saying that the mass sexual molestations, which are
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up to 600 plus, just the reported ones in Cologne and other cities, what's at least
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as awful in his own words, are right wing people on internet message boards posting
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criticism of migrants.
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That's what the German interior minister said.
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You had a libertarian blogger today called Christopher Cantwell who said that Germans
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should have the right to arm themselves, to defend themselves against rapists banned
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from Facebook.
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Do you know who that is?
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No.
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Christopher Cantwell?
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I think I've heard the name.
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You obviously have.
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I don't like it.
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He...
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Why do, why do I get a feeling of dread when you say that name?
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He was the Nazi who Vice interviewed at Charlottesville.
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That's exactly right.
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And now let's, let's listen to Christopher Cantwell, the libertarian blogger that Paul
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Joseph Watson clearly follows at the beginning of 2016.
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Oh boy.
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So when did you get into, as you said, the racial stuff?
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When Trayvon Martin case happened, you know, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice and all these
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different things happened.
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Every single case.
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It's some little black asshole behaving like a savage.
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We'll get back to this.
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Oh, okay.
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Dan?
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We'll get back to this, but I would like to stipulate that Paul Joseph Watson follows
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him and cites him as a libertarian blogger at the beginning of 2016.
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In this clip, he's asked, when did you get into the race stuff?
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He says around the time of Trayvon Martin, before 2016.
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Way before 2016.
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And he gets himself in trouble, shockingly enough, whatever, whatever, whatever problems
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I might have with my fellow white people, they generally are not inclined to such behavior.
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And you know, you got to kind of take that into consideration when you're, when you're
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thinking about how to organize your society in Oklahoma City.
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Okay.
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So exactly.
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You have to go back to Oklahoma City to talk about a white act of terrorism, right?
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Yes, Roger Dylann Roof.
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Okay.
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So now you've managed to name three people, and I'm pretty sure Elliot Roger wasn't explicitly
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white, by the way.
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But the thing is, you remember the names of white bombers and mass shooters, okay?
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Can you tell me the names of all 19 hijackers on 9-11 off the top of your head?
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You can remember Dylann Roof's name.
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You can remember Tim McVeigh's name.
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We were asking whether white people were capable of violence.
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I didn't say capable.
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Of course we're capable.
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I'm carrying a pistol.
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I go to the gym all the time.
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I'm trying to make myself more capable of violence.
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I'm here to spread ideas, talk, in the hopes that somebody more capable will come along
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and do that.
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Somebody like Donald Trump who does not give his daughter to a Jew.
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So Donald Trump, but like more racist.
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A lot more racist than Donald Trump.
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I don't think that you could feel about race the way I do and watch that Kushner bastard
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walk around with that beautiful girl.
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So that's him before the Charlottesville rally.
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That's in the lead up to it.
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That's Christopher Cantwell, a source of information for Paul Joseph Watson.
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Now let's listen to him getting interviewed after the Charlottesville rally.
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It's almost refreshing to hear somebody like him say what most Republicans secretly think
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in their hearts.
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And clearly it's the kind of thing that Alex is cool with.
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Of course.
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And his employees are following, you know, this sort of fount of information.
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I mean, it's weird that we agree on Jared Kushner for different reasons.
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Well, sure.
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You can take different roads to get to the same conclusion.
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Which is that I don't think Ivanka is very beautiful.
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See, there we go.
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All right.
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All right.
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You can.
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It's, uh, you know, it's, it's always troubling in life when you agree with the point that
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someone sucks.
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You know, you agree with someone who sucks, that someone else sucks, but for totally,
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uh, it's, it's a disaster.
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So here's Christopher.
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I think Steven Spielberg and the whole Indiana Jones franchise went off the rails.
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Excellent.
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I agree with you in return of the Jedi.
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No.
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All right.
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I think Indiana Jones went off the rail when they made Nazis the bad guy.
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Hold on.
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No, I think it's the refrigerator.
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So here is a Chris Cantwell after the Charlottesville rally.
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Just to give you a taste of how much of a douche this guy and douche isn't even strong
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enough of a word.
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No, I hope he dies.
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I'd say it was worth it.
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We knew that we were going to meet a lot of resistance.
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Uh, the fact that nobody on our side died, I, I hate you all that, uh, points for us.
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I hate you.
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The fact that none of our people killed anybody unjustly.
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I hate you.
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Plus for us.
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Um, and I think that we showed, uh, we showed our rivals that we won't be cowed, but the
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car that struck a protester that's unprovoked.
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That's not true.
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And you know that it's not true.
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You've seen the video.
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So I've seen a video.
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I don't know much about it, but I understand that you describe what the video appears to
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show.
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Okay.
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So the video appears to show someone striking that vehicle when these animals attacked him
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again and he saw no way to get away from them except to hit the gas.
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Uh, and sadly, because our rivals are a bunch of stupid animals who don't pay attention,
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uh, they couldn't just get out of the way of his car and some people got hurt and that's
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unfortunate.
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Great.
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So congratulations, Alex.
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I am glad you're in bed with these people and pretend that you're not, you know what
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I'm saying?
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Like it, it's not good because the, this guy, this Chris Cantwell didn't come up with these
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feelings a week before the Charlottesville rally.
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No, he had them in the beginning of 2016 when he was a quote, libertarian blogger talking
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about having guns to arm yourself against Muslim rape gangs and what have you.
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What do we do with guys like that?
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I don't know, man.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's not, it's not easy.
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I want to, I like, I, we know what your answer is.
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No.
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Well, okay.
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I, I like that, I like that as a amplification of, uh, the absurdity of what we do.
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Uh, but generally speaking, I, I, uh, and I know this will break everybody's hearts.
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Uh, I like to believe in pacifism.
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Yeah.
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I don't think violence is the answer.
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Oh man.
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But that's not going to get the chat room to drink.
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But God damn it is violence the answer with that guy?
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I feel like violence is the only answer with that guy.
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Well, like when you talk about pacifism and then you wind up bringing up like world war
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two, where you're like, isn't that justified?
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Isn't that the only way that we would have solved things was the, is there any diplomatic
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solution to a group of people committing genocide and you're like, no, I guess, I guess that
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really is the only situation.
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So if you're that guy, yeah, I think the only solution is for us to tear him limb from limb
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and eat his fingers.
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That gets me to my next point.
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Eating fingers is good.
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Yeah.
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You know, there was a group called the radical camp, uh, which is a group out of Poland that
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had a nationalist fascist rally, uh, over the weekend.
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Yeah.
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Ironic that there's a lot of Polish Nazis.
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They grew to, uh, the rally was about 60,000 people and I mean, you'd be hard pressed to
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say that all of them were straight up Nazis, but a lot of them were straight up Nazis.
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Yeah.
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A quote from a, one of the counter protesters was, it's getting more and more vicious.
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I said, Jacob, there's too many Y's and Z's in that name, I can't do it.
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One of about a dozen counter protesters standing behind a banner that read, we are Polish Jews
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and surrounded by police quote, we are really in fear.
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Now listen to this.
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The radical camps followers argue on their social media accounts and in their literature
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that the influx of Syrian refugees into Europe is part of the conspiracy driven by the globalists
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who are working with communists in the European union to bring Muslims into Europe and with
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them Sharia law and homosexuality.
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Man are they getting American news media?
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All right, hold on one second.
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I actually lied in that clip.
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It says, uh, that the Syrian refugees, they didn't say globalist.
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They said Jews.
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Didn't they?
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Yep.
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Oh, it's the same fucking shit, isn't it?
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Mm hmm.
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God damn it.
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If you just trade that one word out, you have exactly the narrative that Alex Jones pitches.
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It's his entire worldview.
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It's changed the word globalist for Jews and it's coming out of the mouth of legit Nazis
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rallying in the middle of Europe.
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So man, sweet, we got a problem.
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Nazism is like a disease.
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It's like a brain disease.
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Like it's something that people got infected with, like, and that's what I make the argument
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about the globalist narrative.
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We were tech, we were texting about this.
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The Pez is just insane.
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We were texting about this the other night.
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The realization that I had that I do believe that given a week or so to pivot the narrative,
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Alex could convert all of his audience, not all of it, but a bunch of them into straight
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up Nazis.
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Yeah.
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He could say something along the lines of like, guys, I've been thinking about it.
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There's just too many Jews in the globalist structure.
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It must be something about them.
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He could use some sort of rhetoric like that and pivot his audience into a legit Nazi party.
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Yeah.
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And it would not, it would only probably turn off about 20% of his audience.
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If that, so that's, that's what is underneath the surface of how scared I feel and how motivated
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I feel to, to let people see Alex for who he really is and see the narratives that he
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pitches and deconstruct where they come from and why he's lying.
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And that's also why it really bums me out when people just want to laugh at him because
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I don't know.
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He's a Nazi.
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People laughed at Hitler before he rose to power.
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There are all those articles about him.
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You can find looking through the Alexis nexus and what have you about to which everybody
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has a password.
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Now, apparently if Alex has one, then fucking everybody does socialism for Lexis nexus passwords.
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So I mean like, I don't think that Alex is going to rise up and become a Nazi leader.
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I'm just saying, and I don't actually, I don't think he would do that, but it wouldn't be
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hard.
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No, it's a very close leap rhetorically from where he's at and how much he's radicalized
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his audience to follow him.
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I mean, we're seeing this in the beginning of 2016 how easy it is for him to go from
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Trump is a fucking con man who runs casinos involved with the mob.
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His audience calls in and they all mirror that he gets on board with Trump and his audience
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gets on board with Trump.
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Right.
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But wouldn't you say that, uh, essentially his audience already is Nazis.
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Like he's just using, like that's, that's the thing.
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He couldn't convince them to turn to like, Hey guys, we're going to wear swastikas now.
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I don't think he could do that.
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But he was like, Hey guys, we're going to wear upside down swastikas now, which coincidentally
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look like regular old swastikas, but they're upside down swastikas cause we're, we're anti
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Nazis.
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Right.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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It's just the, the word is what it's, it's really just in the American rights mind.
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It's just the word Nazi that is bothersome.
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Right.
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And the things that Nazis believed and said and still believe and say, those are all fine.
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But if you call the them Nazis, then they're like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
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We're even seeing now like people coming out and being like, uh, I mean a lot of this is
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probably just Twitter outrage and I'm not sure if thinking people on the right or making
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this argument, but I don't know, but you, you're seeing people coming out and saying
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that, uh, like Nazi is essentially just a word that's being used to almost as a racial
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slur for white people and right.
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And the reason that I wanted to get into this is that we, I mean, we, we throw the word
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around a little liberally.
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And the reason for that is because we're accurate.
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It matches up.
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That's why.
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And it behooves us to take a moment to recognize it when there are examples like this and the
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weekend after this legit Nazi rally in Poland.
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Because 60,000 is a terrifying number.
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It is a terrifying number.
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But if Alex mobilized his audience in such a way that I am theorizing could happen.
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It would be way more than 60,000 people.
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Granted, most of them are immobile and in small towns.
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So there is that going for us.
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I assume though, plenty of them have guns, which is the last thing you want a large group
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of white Nazis to have.
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Certainly.
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So let's get off this.
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Let's say, let's move along.
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So Roger Stone comes in and in this episode, we're not going to listen to much of Roger
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because it's kind of nonsense.
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And he just talks about how like, like Clinton, like his victims were high class people.
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And so that makes them more deserving of attention.
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He talks about how Clinton has a love child and he can prove it.
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And Webster.
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Does not do that.
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Nope.
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Webster Hubble is Chelsea's dad, all this stuff.
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That's fun.
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Yeah.
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I like that.
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I like to listen to this because Alex plugs Roger Stone's book and in doing so, he accidentally
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reveals that he knows that another one of his contributors, their book was a lie.
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By the book, you need to give it to local talk show host and other opinion makers.
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You need to give it to the women in your life.
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You need to give it to Democrats.
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You need to read the book, become an expert on it, refresh your memory on it, and then
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call into other shows saying, I read in the book or here's the news article in the book
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and talk about it.
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All talk show host.
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You want to discuss it.
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And here's the deal.
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And we're going to go into our guest.
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Roger Stone was here months ago telling me, hey, listen, I left the Trump campaign as
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a chief advisor because I want to be able to do whatever I want.
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And I'm putting out a book on the rape that's going to take down the Clintons.
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And I'm putting one out on the bushes that are take them out of the way for Trump.
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But he goes, I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do.
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So you can debate all day whether Kerry was really a coward and the whole swift boat deal
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the Dr. Corsi put out.
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This is the real swift boat, folks, of the Clintons and the buses.
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You need to get the book info war score dot com.
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So it ends with a slight plug for the fact that they're selling the book.
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But he said, of course, he made all that bullshit up.
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But Stone, you can trust Stone.
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This one's real.
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I definitely didn't lie to you guys before with that Corsi book.
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I'm definitely not lying to you guys now with his old Stone book.
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Next election cycle, Corsi comes out with a book that smears whatever the Democrat candidate
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is.
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And he's like, now, Roger Stone, last time he had that crazy.
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Dumbass book back then.
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You can say whatever you want about that.
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But this time Corsi's got real good.
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I know.
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I know.
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On that Corsi book from before he didn't have anything.
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By then everyone will have forgotten Kerry.
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Oh, of course.
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By 2020.
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No one's going to remember.
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So that's fucked up.
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That's so fucked up.
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He's admitting this might not have been real.
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Yep.
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Who cares?
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Yep.
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Doesn't matter.
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Reality is fungible.
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Yep.
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Absolutely.
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So now here is the clip that made me realize that Alex has pivoted.
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He has transitioned, that he is a full on Trump propagandist on January 11th.
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I was about to say that you've been a big insider, but always very principled, standing
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up for real conservative and libertarian ideals.
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Not true.
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But you look at most these people, they're just Democrats who want to control the Republican
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Party.
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And that's why I finally, about three months ago, you know, started coming over to Trump
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because there wasn't any other strong leadership.
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There wasn't anybody telling like it was.
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There wasn't anybody going up against political correctness.
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There wasn't anybody pointing out, we have all these bad tariff deals and all these deals
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that ensure our jobs will go.
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But the coup de gras was money doesn't lie.
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He's not getting any big hedge fund money.
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He's not getting any big money.
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He had tons of money from Robert Mercer.
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Wow.
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All the big money is going to Hillary or Jeb Bush or Rubio.
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That's all you need to know.
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Trump or die.
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I mean, that's it.
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I'm sorry.
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I mean, I like Rand Paul.
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I like Cruz.
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Cruz might have a shot.
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I hope he becomes Trump's VP.
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We've got to get behind Trump.
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It's just true.
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It's a fact.
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I mean, I'm not going to sit here like a coward on the sidelines and then, you know, just
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join the whole chorus attacking him because it's, it's, it's the right thing to do to
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stand with Trump.
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No, I'm going to do the cowardly thing and let everything I've ever stood for be destroyed
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by this fucking orange monster.
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I will let my entire reputation be cucked.
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Yeah.
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Essentially.
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I mean, his reputation wasn't good to begin with, but be that as it may there, it's, it's
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the beginnings of it.
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We don't have Americana 2.0 17.
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He does.
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I feel like once you say Trump or die, we're, we're in that, we're in that zone.
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That's proto, that's proto 1776 2.0.
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Yeah.
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It's proto 2017 Alex, late 2016 Alex.
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He's there already and it's just because, I don't know, maybe he's just trying to impress
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Roger Stone, whatever, whatever the case is.
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But he just likes assholes.
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I think that I have a clip I'm going to play at the end of the episode and I think I have
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a pretty robust theory as to, uh, what the reality behind all of this is.
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And I think Raptors, definitely Raptors.
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There we go.
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I, uh, Alex just had a surplus of chocolate and the Raptors came in and now they're wearing
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Alex's skin.
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That's why you got all weird and top heavy.
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That's where they're keeping their tiny little arms in his, in his barrel chest.
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The globalists aren't Jews.
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They're reptoids.
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They're reptoids.
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That's why he has David Icahn a bunch.
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So before we get to that clip that I think we'll sort of spell out what I believe is
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going on, we have two clips that are, you could call them fun, but they're Alex just
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getting lost and saying weird shit.
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That's fun.
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Which is, it's as close as we get to fun.
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That's fun.
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Yeah.
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Racist Hispanics, blacks, whatever, attacking because I'm white doesn't mean I have to stand
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up against their racism.
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That's less fun.
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I don't hate them because of what group they're in.
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It's like when I've been working in East Texas and you know, actually had people walk over
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in a dairy queen.
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This hadn't happened in a public pool when I was younger as well and say, we're with
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the Ku Klux Klan.
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You're a Yankee.
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You need to get out of here.
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And they were really mad both times because when I was 13, I had, had already asked out
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the local beauty queen, even though I was just down there for the summer, I went over
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to our ranch and asked her out and her parents drove us over to the Teague pool and Texas
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pool 20 miles away to go to a city pool.
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And you know, some of the buck tooth and white trash came over and we're like, get out of
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here, Yankee.
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Cause I was there with a pretty, you know, the beauty queen.
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Another time, a few years later, I was down there working on a ranch and took a good looking
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girl to dairy queen and had the same type of guys come in and go, who are you eating?
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And I said, listen, there's three of y'all, I got up and I said, my family founded this
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County I said, I bet you come from carpet baggers that you go get your truck for a knock
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your teeth in.
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And then we all pulled out our KKK hoods and had a good old dairy queen fucking peanut
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Buster parfait.
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My friend.
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I'm glad you could pull out the funny named a dairy queen.
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I got it.
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Come on, come on, man.
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Uh, I mean it just goes to Alex's a fun narratives about all the trouble he had because he was
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too hot growing up and, but we know that you can't eat a peanut Buster parfait wearing
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your KKK out at form outfit.
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No, that's not true.
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You get a lot of fudge all over everything.
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People wouldn't take you seriously.
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Clan Robe works as a bib.
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Everyone knows that everyone knows that at the clan barbecues.
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Yeah, that's why they wear the, Hey, I would have suggested wearing something darker hides
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the stains better, but you know what guys, nice, a nice bit of Clorox bleach on there.
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You'll be just fine.
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You'll be back to white supremacy in no time.
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No time sharp.
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Sharp.
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Um, so at the end of that clip, he's like, I'll beat you guys all up.
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Excuse me.
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Now I see, now I just, I see that ad in like the dystopian future that we're going to live
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in next year.
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Uh, there's going to be like a target ad.
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Like are your KKK hoods a little bit rusty, honey, did you use your robe as a bib again?
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Honey, they had baked beans with that same bearded guy who's at every commercial now.
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Uh, so, uh, at the end of that clip, Alex was saying he's going to beat up all these
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guys and then he's like, excuse me, excuse me.
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I shouldn't fade back into that.
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I don't want to get lost in memory.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Absolutely not.
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Uh, because the point of this memory was I'm not in the KKK maybe.
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Uh, yeah.
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And uh, I like to beat people up.
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I like to fight.
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I like to fuck.
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I like to fuck and I like to fight.
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And in this next clip that came from not very long after this, he descends into more violent
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fantasies.
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The point I'm getting at is anything can become a click and I've had Mexican gangs, black
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gangs, white gangs mess with me.
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Um, I've definitely had more fights with black gangs, black people than the other groups
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combined because Dallas black folks, uh, the ones that were racist had a real big chip
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on their shoulder.
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Oh boy.
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And all I can say is I'm not like these yuppies and people that just lay down on the ground
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when somebody starts attacking them.
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And that's why a lot of the racist groups that go out and prey on white people, they
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go out and pick hippies and trendies cause they know they're going to lay down and not
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fight back.
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Folks don't mess with, you know, white guy with a cowboy hat and a Ford truck or a Chevy
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truck cause they know there's a gun in there.
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And I think that's just the answer to society is people be armed show.
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Nobody can be picked on by gangs and different criminal groups.
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We've had a lot of folks that are friends that are love motorcycles.
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Think about that for two more seconds around a rally or something to run to some shady
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folks that will start a fight with you.
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Wouldn't the gang have more guns than you're standing there with your wife and kids.
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Wouldn't it be more important to have a gang thinking you're going to back down if everyone
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had guns cause there's 15 of them, you would want to pass through there.
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It's actually very exciting to have 15 people start to fight with you.
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No it is not.
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That just makes me feel like King Kong man.
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You said the end word or something like that happens and then it's, you know, flip the
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switch.
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It's just like cave man time higher than a kite the minute overwhelming groups threatened
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me.
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I just like turned into an animal.
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Your kind needs to go extinct.
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We're losing that and I'm so glad that I'm primal.
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I'm not.
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He goes into a long tree tease after that.
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I'm so glad that I'm an unevolved Cro-Magnon man.
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He goes into a long tree tease at that point about how like we need, look, we're going
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the wrong way as a society.
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We don't know how to skin a buck, run a trot line.
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We don't know how, we don't know how to, we don't know how to clean a stove.
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Just go, go to the forest so we'd never have to see you again.
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You're not allowed to have the internet.
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If that's what you believe, sure, fine.
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Go Unabomber it somewhere else.
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Yeah.
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Why do you make millions of dollars selling new tropics?
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Yeah, exactly.
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A bizarre false science.
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Listen, nobody knows how to clean a bore anymore, but let me tell you something.
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You take some brain force that'll teach you how to clean a bore.
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Back in caveman days, they all had secret 12, whatever.
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Back in caveman days, they drank real bone broth, Dan.
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Well, to be fair, he would make that argument.
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He would make that argument.
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So we're coming to the end here, this episode.
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We have one more clip.
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And what I think is going on is Alex is living in the beginning of 2016 in a tremendous confluence
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of influences that he doesn't know how to negotiate.
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And beyond that, there are forces at play that he doesn't realize are at play.
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I don't know how to describe that exactly without playing this clip.
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So I'm going to play this clip and then I'll explain.
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I thought I could do it as setup, but I can't.
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Nah.
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Here we go.
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It's gotta be punchline.
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We like cultural victories.
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And when we have a big director on, or we have a big actor on, or we learn that Kurt
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Russell's a pro second amendment 1776-er, he says, I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative.
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I'm a 1776-er.
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I'm George Washington.
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Like Allen Iverson?
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Love her.
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You know, and we of course confirm he's a listener and so many others, and you find
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out that, you know, the dude's a listener.
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Yes, I mean, Mr. Lebowski himself, it just shows how popular the Liberty movement is.
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Not just the metrics that we're now reaching more than 20 million people a week.
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I don't even want to say 28 million.
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It just sounds so crazy.
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In fact, we're looking at the metrics.
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It's even more wild than that.
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So we're going to have a bunch of experts come in and look at it all, but the graphs
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are like this last six months, just straight up.
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It is meteoric.
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So.
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So like 10 people listen.
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Like it's more wild than you could ever imagine because it's like 10.
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Nope.
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It's like Dave Andy, Frankie B, Eddie Bravo, but that's just because he doesn't know
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how to change the channel.
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Right.
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Donnie Wahlberg, Mark Wahlberg, only because he has to monitor what Donnie is listening
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to.
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That's just called being a good parent.
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And then, oh, by the way, Mark Wahlberg is actually Donnie Wahlberg's father.
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This is a conspiracy that I can get behind.
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This is true.
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So when he's talking about the ratings, he does this like, yes, he does the 90 degree
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angle, 45 degree angle.
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He does what is essentially a Nazi salute.
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Let's not descend to, you know, accurate name calling.
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We could pin the rhetoric that's Nazi on him, but hand gestures.
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Let's leave that be.
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All right.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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So here's what I think is going on.
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He says in the last six months, the numbers have been absolutely crazy.
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Now if you go to sites like Alexa and you go to sites like Quantcast and you go back
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to that period, there isn't a meteoric jump.
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And you know why?
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Those sites use verified statistics.
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So what you might be saying is that right around the time when the Russians started
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interfering with the election, perhaps they created a signal boost of people who had pro-Putin
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ideas, therefore inflating their influence in numbers, suggesting that perhaps Alex doesn't
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really have that many listeners.
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He is instead beholden to the Russian bot farms.
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Alex is seeing this.
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Is that a succinct summation?
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Alex is seeing a meteoric jump in statistics around the time our intelligence agencies
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have said that it was when they started these operations, these influence campaigns.
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That six month period is right in that window.
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I do not think that there is a coincidence that Alex Jones is one of the most pro-Russian
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voices outside of Dana Rohrabacher in media, because he's not even, Dana's not even in
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media.
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Right.
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But that is not a coincidence.
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No.
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And the Russian people telling him that Putin listens.
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Roger Stone coincidentally coming in and giving Alex all this, like, it's too, it's too much.
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The timing of it is all very, very suspicious.
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It's too obvious.
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It kind of is.
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It's kind of hurtful.
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Yeah.
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Mm hmm.
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It's really pathetic.
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I still don't know how to work the Nation of Islam into it, though, and I don't think
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they are.
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I think that's a red herring.
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You think the Nation of Islam is a red herring?
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In terms of our investigation, yes.
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I think that's a weird anomaly that just happened.
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I don't think it's relevant.
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So if we're in the mystery van, this is old man Jenkins.
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This is an old man murder half.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Certainly.
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And it's interesting to me because I think at this point, Alex is entirely oblivious
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of it.
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And I don't know if he ever becomes aware, but the extent to which he gets scared in
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the present isn't there at the beginning of 2016.
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He gets way more in the lead up to the Megyn Kelly interview.
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You'll recall that he had two days of being terrified on air.
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Oh, of course.
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And like, let's not put out this interview.
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Like as if he was aware that something would come out.
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There's a part of me that believes that what he is afraid will come out is what he's come
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to learn about what happened.
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I think he's aware of all this stuff.
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Well, when Breitbart released their revised numbers after they got rid of all that shit.
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Well, there was an article in, I believe in Vanity Fair that, I have that up here right
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now, when they went from, you know, they jumped like 500 numbers in the top sites on the internet
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just overnight.
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And then that was December of 2016, coincidentally, I can't think of any reason, and then dropped
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back down May of 2017.
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And the reason for it was switching on and off the tracking of artificial numbers.
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Yep.
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And if you look at the same-
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So that was, that would have been obvious to Alex at that point.
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He should have been like, oh, that's us too.
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Fuck.
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So in May, he, I mean, he doesn't read articles.
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That's true.
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He might read headlines.
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Let's see what the headline number is of this.
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That's how we have to analyze this dumb child is like, okay, we don't need to read any articles
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at all.
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Let's just read headlines to see what he knows.
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As Trump's problems mount, Breitbart's numbers are cratering.
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He could probably come up with another explanation for that because he didn't read the article.
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Yeah, of course.
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But yeah, I mean, look at that.
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It's not a coincidence that that's December of 2016.
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December of 2016 is when Alex flips and ends up going with Trump.
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That's when he starts to see his meteoric rise in numbers.
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It's all fucking so obvious.
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Yep.
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Anyway, I'm glad we've been doing this for a year.
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Our anniversary is coming up.
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's right.
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It's going to be in what, January 6th or something like that.
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Something like that.
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Yeah.
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Our first episode is right at the beginning of January of 2016.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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That was when we began this.
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I don't know what headway we've made.
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Descent into madness.
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It is.
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It's madness on one hand, but it's also like, I think we figured a lot out.
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Yeah.
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I think no one cares.
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No.
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But we figured a lot out.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And I got, I got a, I got, I've gotten some reassuring messages in the last week cause
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I had a little bit of a downturn in my mental state about what's the point of this shit.
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That sort of thing.
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And I appreciate a listener.
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Mike sent me a message.
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I'd like to give you a public thank you for sending me there.
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There is some hope, some faith that I have deep in my bosom somewhere that like eventually
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this will matter, but boy, it doesn't right now.
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It kind of sucks, but it is what it is.
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I think it's really just a certain kind of like, it feels like what we're doing is too
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small for what they think they're supposed to be doing.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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You mean media?
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The larger media outlets are like, oh, you guys are just focusing on this one small thing
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when it, what we are actually doing is focusing on the large stuff through a small lens to
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make things clearer and easier to understand.
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Yeah.
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And I think that anybody, I think, I think any legitimate journalist would probably think
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it's undignified to listen to Alex Jones.
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Yeah, of course.
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Then I don't get where they're coming from.
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No, no, no.
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I agree.
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I support your decision.
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I agree with that perspective to some extent, but it is, it is amazing to me how much you
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can see a clear pictures of the bigger picture through the smaller picture, the macro through
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the micro to some extent.
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Exactly.
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And it's, it's really baffling to me that people don't understand.
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And I think that's, I think one of the reasons is because the only glimpse that a lot of
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folks who aren't crazy get into Alex Jones are the things that are posted on media matters
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and right wing watch.
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Right.
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And so they don't realize that a lot of the time these narratives that end up coming out
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either from Hannity or in the past from Glenn Beck and from Donald Trump, a lot of them
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have their roots in Alex.
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Right.
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And it's, it's one of those things where it's like you can do a huge investigation, but
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ultimately if you're trying to build a puzzle, you take one small corner of it, you know,
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like if we're talking about what kind of effect the Russian influence campaign really had
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on the election, right?
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Start going in through a guy like Alex Jones.
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What kind of effect did it have on him and his listeners?
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Much easier.
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Exactly.
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And then you start, and then you start, exactly.
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He gives it up easy.
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He's like the corner pieces that fit too perfectly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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All right.
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This is a children's puzzle.
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Yeah, exactly.
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To some extent, if you just pay attention to it.
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Right.
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And you just start putting that together and you see, oh, okay.
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It's like, oh shit, that other corner is Nazi sympathy.
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Right.
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That other corner is complete white supremacy using different language.
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And here's how they're connected and here's the way that they fit together.
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And here's the timeline of when they dovetail together, combine that with the other timelines
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that we know.
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And you start to see, obviously, that Alex Jones is, regardless of his knowing complicity,
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one of the bulwarks of the Russian influence campaign.
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Absolutely.
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You can talk about Twitter bots all you want, but look at his profile and how it's raised
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and what he was saying and how it's affected other people.
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Yep.
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And it's impossible to split Roger Stone from that, I believe.
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I believe he's inexorably tied to what was going on at that time.
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It cannot be a coincidence that he shows up and starts influencing Alex right around the
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time that Alex's numbers take a massive spike.
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The rhetoric that he's throwing around, well, he had been fairly Russia positive for a long
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time before that.
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It becomes so much more pro-Putin in the lead up the few months before December.
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It's just, I don't know, man.
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I don't think it's the whole story, but it's big.
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It's a big piece of it and it's fucking, who cares?
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Yeah, it is so fucking obvious.
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bit more about Alex's bizarre relationship with Russian media.
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Did you just do a PBS promo?
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I did.
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I think you just did.
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I might have.
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I think you just pulled out a PBS promo.
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Yeah.
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You know who, by his age, seems like someone who should be watching PBS but probably isn't
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because he thinks it's probably controlled by globalists?
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I don't know.
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Somebody who probably can't read higher than a Sesame Street level, I'd say.
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Yeah.
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It's possible.
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It's possible.
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Somebody who-
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He's Muppet-ish in many ways.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He looks like he comes from the children's workshop.
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He absolutely could live in a garbage can.
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Absolutely.
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Metaphysically, he lives in the biggest garbage can in the sky.
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It would be like a garbage can where the lid is never on or something like that.
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It's always laying on the ground next to a wall.
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Someone close that garbage can.
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Somebody close that fucking garbage can!
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Yeah.
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It drives you to say, just, you know, fuck you, John Rappaport!
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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