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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledgefight.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a
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little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, is, it's nice to see you, we are, we are recording remotely.
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Unfortunately.
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Yeah, it's never the ideal situation, but we're recording this from the, the comforts,
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in quotes, of our own homes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But, it's still, it's nice to know that we can do this in a pinch, but the real bright
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spot is, uh, we have the ticket links, uh, in the description of this episode for our
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live shows.
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For realsies.
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Unexpectedly, some people did some sleuthing, and were able to figure out.
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They did.
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They did.
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Filed live links to, uh, these, uh, things without us, uh, announcing them, putting them
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out.
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No, no.
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And I, we, I even double checked on some, they found them through some sort of back
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door.
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They weren't officially listed on the website.
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So there's, yeah.
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I guess that's kind of a bright spot in as much as it feels like, wow, people are really
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interested.
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If you really wanted it that bad, yeah, you should be coming.
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Absolutely.
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But it is also so weird to like, ah, these are the things that professional companies,
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uh, like maybe they cover when they do that.
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You know, it's kind of, it's kind of fun to, I have the experience of like, ah, this is
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quaint as shit.
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This is just us doing this.
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There's going to be a couple of like, uh, just weird, uh, glitches along the way.
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And that's, that is kind of nice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we are, we are just the two of us and we're going to ride it out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, so yeah, it's exciting.
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I hope, uh, everybody who wants a ticket can get in, uh, and, uh, we'll all have a great
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time.
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Uh, what's your bright spot?
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Uh, my bright spot is, uh, I suppose the same as yours because I'm just too sick to think
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of one otherwise.
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The reason we're recording remotely is, uh, I have not had a, uh, a well body.
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I didn't want to, I didn't want to steal your thunder by saying that myself.
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No, no, no, no.
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My wife was, uh, had a very rough night last night.
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So my bright spot is that we're eventually going on tour and I'm still able to record
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this show.
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That's my bright spot.
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And you're alive, man.
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I am.
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It's nice to be alive.
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You were telling me about how rough last night was like in terms of your, your body and what
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have you.
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And I know that, uh, like the only context I have is when I had the food poisoning recently.
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And I know that the next day I was like, I'm thrilled to be alive because there were moments
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and I'm sure, I'm sure you're kind of having the same, like, uh, existential, you know,
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any night, any night you are asleep on the bathroom floor is not a good night.
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I disagree.
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I mean, back in my booze days, big nights ended up on bathroom.
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Yeah.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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I will say that I had a few very good nights ended up on a bathroom floor, but whatever
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you are there for a very specific reason.
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Yeah.
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It's not a good night.
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I do think even though those were big nights, uh, the part towards the end where you end
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up at the bathroom floor, usually not the best, not the best.
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Why not take a bath and go to work tomorrow morning at six 30?
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That's no big deal.
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I may have done that sober myself too, though.
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I definitely have.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over and plot twist.
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We're recording this on Zencastr as opposed to on, uh, our normal workflow.
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So I don't have all of the clips that I normally have access to.
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So I'm going to skip the wonks shout outs for today, uh, just out of technical difficulty.
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But today here's, here's the sitch.
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So we have, uh, on our last episode, we went over the Tucker Putin, uh, interview and I
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thought, well, obviously what we need to do now is check in and see Alex's response to
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it because we've had our time to sit with the episode.
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We heard Alex's promotional excitement, uh, prior to the interview.
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And now we can see, how do you take it?
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How was, how does that all go down?
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Yeah, and I thought that was the best use of our time, get things back into our sort
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of wheelhouse.
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Um, and, uh, yeah, so we're going to talk about February 9th, uh, it's Friday, the day
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after Tucker's interview dropped, um, and, uh, it's not at all what you expect.
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And this is a lot of bullshit.
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I have a big question right out the gate.
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Did Alex watch it?
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I think he watched at least some of it.
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I would be hard pressed to say that he watched all of it, but that is not the same thing.
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Yeah.
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I think, I think, Hmm.
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I bet he intended to watch all of it.
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I agree.
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I would guess that.
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And then he probably didn't because it's boring.
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I will say that after our last episode, I reached out to a couple of, uh, journalists
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that I've met in my, uh, like that's name dropping, uh, people could have seen the hand
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gestures dismissive, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Not of, not of them, the very professional and talented people, uh, no.
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And they all had the same kind of reaction of, I watched clips of it, which as we talked
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about in our last episode, completely boggles my mind, you know, unless the journalists
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were specifically like, you're assigned to write about this, everyone saw a little, you
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know, I saw a little bit here and there, and then I was like, I got it.
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And then didn't watch it.
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I can, I can understand that though.
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I mean, it's, first of all, it's long, it's sure.
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It's dry for the most part.
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Um, and you assume that if there is anything big that happened, you're going to see a highlight
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of it.
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So like there is the expectation that it's like, if I need to know about it, I'll know
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about it, which is, which is strange.
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Um, yeah, I think that, you know, on Twitter, they have like a number of views and stuff
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like that, but that doesn't guarantee the number of people that watched all the way
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through it.
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Two hours, get the fuck out of here.
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Twitter, people watch it for five minutes max.
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So I think that the number of people who've actually watched the whole thing maybe isn't
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nearly as high as we imagine.
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And that's, I don't actually think that's that bad of a thing.
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There's not a ton of value in the whole thing.
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No, I don't think it's.
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I don't think it's bad at all.
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And that's almost bad.
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You know, that's what's bad.
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It is at least very strange.
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Yeah.
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So here, here is February 9th, we're going to start where Alex starts, uh, complaining
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about Joe Biden.
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Okay.
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Obviously the Biden story is ultra massive.
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The wheels have totally come off on multiple levels.
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He doesn't even know what planet he's on.
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His brain is declining more in a week than it has in the last year at current decline.
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He won't be able to talk in a few months.
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Uh, so this is just totally insane, but you notice he's getting worse right before the
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Democrat convention coming up because their doctors that are drugging him up are in control.
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Wait, soft coon.
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Hold on.
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Now mainstream media has the knives out corporate media to remove Biden.
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Incredible Putin interview yesterday.
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Very statesmanlike, extremely intellectual, very historical, but the main takeaway is
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and when the globalists are jealous of him, they all share power in their globalist committees.
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Putin is actually in charge of Russia and over 80% popularity and I know journalists
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that have been over there and from coast to coast, they say, no, they love Putin.
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So Biden's had some gaffes and there's reason to be concerned about some of that stuff because
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he's 81 years old.
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That's it.
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Trump's a mess with these gaffes too.
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And Alex just ignores the all of them because they don't help his end of things.
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I'm a little confused though.
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Like I thought Biden already couldn't talk.
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Alex has been saying that since as soon as like the 2020 election got going, but now
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it's like a future thing.
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That's weird.
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Also apparently these doctors who are drugging them up, are they in charge of the soft coup
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or are they working for the people who are running the soft coup?
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It's very strange.
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I don't know what to make of this.
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It's confusing.
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Yeah.
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I was, I was literally like, what, what are we doing here?
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If the doctors are in control, what is, what is the doctor's ideas of what to do?
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Well, it's also especially strange because we just had that report about the drugs that
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are being given out by the Trump medical unit, Trump White House medical unit, just a fucking
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pill dispensary.
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Hey, come on.
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Let's have a good time.
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Come on.
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Sure.
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So as for the Putin commentary there, it seems like Alex's main point is that everybody is
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jealous that Putin gets to be a dictator.
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The two main points he brings up are that Putin rules unilaterally and he has artificially
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high approval ratings, both hallmarks of undemocratic rule.
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And Alex is saying that all journalists love him, but did he not listen to the end of that
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interview where Tucker tried to negotiate the release of an imprisoned American journalist?
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That seems like it's very not, it doesn't match.
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Doesn't feel right.
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No.
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I wonder how many people made it to the end.
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Like I genuinely, cause I, cause the more I read about it, like after we did the episode,
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I was reading a bunch of, you know, trying to absorb as much as I could because again,
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it feels so crazy to me that no one cares, you know?
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And then like the best, the best thing I saw was from, from the Russian perspective, I
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guess Putin's goal wasn't to like mess with American policy so much as it was to embarrass
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an American journalist and make himself look super strong.
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And that probably was achieved by not engaging with the culture war memes and stuff like
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that.
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Oh yeah, no, no.
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He dominated the shit out of Tucker and that does make sense.
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But at the same time, it's like, I feel like if you're gonna do an interview with Tucker,
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I mean, you could embarrass any number of journalists, you know?
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You could, you could embarrass him and still serve some of those, those goals of coalescing
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the right around Trump and around the push to get out of NATO and stuff.
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You could do that.
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And even if you do embarrass him, you know Tucker is still so invested in the line that
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he's going to be on your team anyways.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I, I'm, I'm still a little bit like, you know, foggy about what it all means.
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I don't think it's all totally coalesced for me, but I do know from later context by things
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Alex brings up, he at least knows that happened at the end.
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I'm not saying he made it to the end, but he knows about that conversation.
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And so like, it is strange that he's going on here about like, oh, journalists all love
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food.
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Absolutely.
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It's kind of the, the like, you know, the, you know, in terms of standup, the closer
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of Tucker's, uh, entire, uh, interview was being like, Hey, let this dude out.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that was his, that was his big gamble, right?
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That was his one in a million shot.
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Fuck it.
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I'll throw my, uh, I'll throw my shot there.
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Yeah.
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There's a 2% chance.
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This'll get me killed.
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There's a 2% chance that I get this guy out and it's the biggest fucking thing in the
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world.
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And then there's a 96% chance that what happened happens.
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Yeah.
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What, what, man, what world is there where he got him?
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You know, what world is there where he gets killed?
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Sure.
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Sure.
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What's the picture of those remote possibilities?
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What does that world look like?
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Because I have no clue.
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It's probably less bizarrely drab is this one.
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So Alex does talk a little bit about the Putin interview, but not that much.
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There's a little bit of conversation about it, but less than you'd expect.
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And here's a little bit more of his analysis.
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And Russia has a history, like unlike any other country of being constantly attacked
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for 1100 years, perpetual war from the East and West.
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And that's what's going on with the Russians.
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And they're not going to back down.
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They're not going to go away.
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And if the West starts a war with them, it'll be the end of civilization as we know it.
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They'll die.
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We'll die much worse than the Germans and the Russians going toe to toe in world war
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two.
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And I'm not lessening how many trips we lost in world war two and both my grandfathers
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were in it.
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And Russia and Germany were the big person table at Thanksgiving.
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And the little card table with the kids at it was the United States and the so-called
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allies.
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26 million dead Russians, 24 million dead Germans.
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Those are official numbers.
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This seems pretty pro-Putin in sentiment, but really more anti-American.
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Like what does Alex mean by so-called allies?
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That's fucking weird.
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What does that even mean?
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He's relitigating world war two alliances.
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That's my problem.
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I don't think we can do that.
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I think it's too late for that.
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I think it is.
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And what does that serve?
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The axis.
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So his numbers are wrong.
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People don't give it up enough to Mussolini.
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He wasn't a so-called enemy.
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He was a so-called ally of his allies.
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Right.
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So Alex's numbers are also wrong.
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The national world war two museum has the number of Soviet troops killed in the war
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between 8.8 and 10.7 million and Germany at 5,533,000.
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Those are big numbers, but China also lost between three to 4 million troops, Japan about
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2.1 million.
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And what can Alex possibly mean by saying that the US and the allied countries were
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at the kids table while also saying that he doesn't want to downplay the number of US
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soldiers killed in the conflict?
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That's precisely what he's doing.
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He's downplaying the allies in world war two, which seems weird, almost unpatriotic in many
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ways.
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I mean, I went to the Vietnam war Memorial when I was in elementary school.
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For some reason, they're like, Hey, you guys need to learn about America's crimes and how
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we're great at them.
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And then you're looking at all the names.
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They keep asking the message of it.
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That was what they were saying.
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They said that to me, eight years old, they were like, Hey man, look at how great America
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is a crime.
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But they have every single name on there.
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Every single one full name.
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They keep an accounting because those people matter to everybody.
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But Alex, it seems like it seems very bizarre.
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So Alex thinks that he was totally right about this Putin interview.
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He had it.
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He knew exactly what it was going to be about.
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That's impossible.
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That's just impossible.
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That's impossible.
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Yeah.
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It's also a huge lie.
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I predicted and just telling you, I know what my research, nobody else did.
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Everybody's like, Oh, what's he talking about?
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I said to get a big giant history lesson at the first, we have the clip of me saying it
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on a Monday.
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We're going to post it to Bandau video or I'll put it out on X just to show you, I do
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my research.
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And I told the whole story of slob, the wives and all that.
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And again, that's just known over there.
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That's not known over here.
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But I, I nailed it.
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But since I knew that already, I was like, people are gonna be bored by this.
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They're not going to understand it, but that's what Putin does.
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I mean, he just talks about history.
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If you don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it.
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As a Winston Churchill famously said in the middle of world war II, really.
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So that's all not true.
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The news of the interview hadn't come out until that Tuesday and Alex has directly predicted
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the Tucker and Putin would be talking about the bio weapon lab conspiracies, which sounded
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like a decent prediction.
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And I said, yeah, probably I was wrong on that.
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I was wrong by accepting Alex's prediction.
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We were all wrong because it was insane.
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Yeah.
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We heard about that prediction on our last episode from Alex's response to the news of
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this breaking on February 7th.
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I don't know if Alex also predicted that Putin would do a boring history lesson at some point,
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but he definitely was wrong about the bio weapon lab thing.
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It's unsurprising that we have him taking credit for nailing a prediction he may or
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may not have made while ignoring one he was definitely wrong about.
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That's on brand.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if he was like, Hey, I'm, I'm 50 50 on being right.
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I think I would accept that.
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I would say that's a surprise.
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I wouldn't have, I didn't see the history lesson coming.
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So if you were one for two, that's better than a one for three days, especially with
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an interview that weird man, like if you're 50 50 on that, you nailed it.
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You did good all.
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If you got anything like all prop bets for that interview, if you hit any of them, the
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odds were so great that they covered the rest of your bet.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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So Alex has a given this a minor discussion of the Putin interview and not much more doesn't
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get all that deep into it because there's another thing that's going to be happening
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on this episode, which is far more important and everybody needs to pay attention to.
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This is big.
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Then we have David Icke joining us for at least an hour and a half, and I'm calling
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you to debate because we are going to debate some stuff, but it's a friendly debate.
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I love David Icke, a super great guy, super smart, really liked the guy.
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And that's why when he's been kind of pin pecking me a little bit and that's kind of
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what it's like calling me the minion of Elon Musk and stuff, it hurts because it hurts.
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It's good to have David there criticizing Elon so that we can push him in the right
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direction and if he doesn't go in the right direction, you expose him, but when he's moving
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in our direction and doing all these good things, sure, you don't turn the lights off
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and trust Elon Musk.
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Anybody with that much power you can't trust, but I'm not going to complain when he's swinging
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like 80% our direction.
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So what?
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Yes, you should.
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You should complain.
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No, you can use them.
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Don't complain.
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Come on, man.
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No.
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No.
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If you have a...
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No.
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What?
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Don't complain.
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80% of the time he's cool.
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No, that's still too bad.
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And 80% of the time I can rationalize that what he's doing is cool, not what he is doing
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is cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So here's the situation.
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David Ike is a savvy, savvy person.
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While the entire conspiracy and right-wing dumb dumb community is gleefully lining up
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supporting Elon Musk, Ike is blazing his own place in that ecosystem by being anti-Musk.
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In November, 2023, he put out an episode of his video podcast, The Dot Connector, called
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Here and No Further, The Alternative Media Hijack, where he argues that people like Andrew
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Tate, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Rogan are all members of
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what he calls the Barricade Brigade.
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They're allowed by the powers that be to present themselves as free speech champions and alternative
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media figures, but they're actually just there to enforce a line where they can take the
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audience but they can't go past.
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Sure.
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A whole lot of this is pretty bitter.
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He's complaining about how they're just saying things that he said 20 years ago and how they
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all interview each other and are all clicky, but they won't stand up for him when he got
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demonetized.
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There's a little bit of grievance here.
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Hey, man.
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That's fair.
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That's fair from Ike, though.
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If you're Ike and you see these motherfuckers now, you're like, dude, are you just telling
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me I needed to wait 20 years?
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That was it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's like you don't even know what it was like.
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Yeah.
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So among this crowd, Elon Musk is a crusading hero of this brigade, a barricade brigade,
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and that cannot be a coincidence in David Ike's mind.
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It got personal earlier this month when David Ike tweeted, quote, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson,
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Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan, and then parentheses, long lost
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cause, Eva Vlaardingberg, and all the rest of the Musk worshiping mainstream alternative
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media.
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When are you going to wake the fuck up and see what this man really is?
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I despair at your naivete, and I'm being optimistic that it's all naivete.
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There was no alternative media when I started out in 1990.
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I watched it appear and grow, and now you're destroying it with your pathetic submission
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to this blatant asset of the very global cult you claim to oppose.
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He then tagged everyone in that tweet hoping to stir up some shit.
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Maybe get a fight going.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Obviously.
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I think mainstream alternative media is something Martin Luther posted on the Catholic Church's
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door, right?
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The mind bending title, like the fracturing of the conservative right wing conspiracy
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ecosystem into the mainstream of it, and then the crazies.
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I do appreciate a certain amount of recognition of like, okay, I am willing to say the real
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shit that you all believe, but you're afraid to say, which is exactly where you say everyone
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else is, and yet here we are.
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Like I get it.
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Absolutely.
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It makes total sense.
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His positioning makes a lot of sense, and I hate him, and I think he's a noxious person,
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but I get where he's coming from, and I think what he's doing is really smart.
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Totally.
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When the conspiracy community builds someone up the way they have with Musk, it's only
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a matter of time until they tear him down, having discovered he was secretly evil all
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along.
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David Icke is protecting his brand by being the guy who doesn't buy into this hype the
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same way that he was opposed to Trump for a while.
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Alex didn't appreciate that tweet, and tweeted back at him, quote, David, I've invited you
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on at least five times in the last month to talk about Musk.
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I am saying whatever I want on X, and it's a good thing.
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I think of you as a friend, so feel free to keep calling me out for being happy with Elon's
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actions, but at least come on the show.
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If CNN said come on next week and say whatever you want, I would.
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You're on X as well and reaching a lot of people.
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David didn't appreciate that response, so he replied, quote, Alex, mate, I don't understand
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this post.
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I was asked to come on the show a couple weeks ago or so, and this was my reply to producer
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Daria on January 18th.
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Daria, sorry for the delay, mate.
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I'm working on and researching a book at the moment that is full on, head down, seven days
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all day, coming up for air occasionally.
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Can you ask me in early February and we'll see how I'm fixed then?
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I should be on the other side of the deep stuff by that time.
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Hope you're well.
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All the best, David.
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That still stands.
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Not only do I want to discuss the Musk impact on the alternative media, it's important that
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these things are debated.
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My problem is not with people using X while they can.
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Of course not.
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It's the hero worship of Musk and the way that it has stopped his cult serving views
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and activities being questioned on the scale that they would have been before.
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So Alex kind of appreciated that, and he wrote back, quote, great news.
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See you soon.
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Man.
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I'm okay.
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140 characters.
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That is just so much better.
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It turns out there's a rationale to that limit that maybe was there for a reason.
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This pretty much gets us up to speed where Alex is with this.
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There's a Twitter fight that he had with David Icke, and that's what he's going to spend
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his time on instead of covering the Putin interview.
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Man, he was allowed back on Twitter after a bad...
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So much has happened in the intervening time period since Alex was kicked off Twitter.
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To find it end up right back where it started with him arguing with David Icke on some bullshit
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for no reason.
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That's sad.
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That is sad.
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It is.
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It is pretty sad.
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And I think part of the part that makes it even like really more difficult for Alex is
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that he has to recognize that David Icke has a good point.
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Like even with me saying I think David Icke sucks and he's crazy, I still think he's right
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about this, about all these people who are like giving Elon a pass.
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If that was his only criticism, then it would be like, yes, this is fine.
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Of course, it spirals into a bunch of nonsense about brain takeovers and stuff like that,
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which we'll get to when David Icke comes on.
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But if it were just left in the realm of the rational and the real world, David Icke would
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have a very valid criticism that Alex can't handle.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's...
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He could just say his word, like instead of bothering with saying them from myself, I'll
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just quote Alex, I'm bitter about you people doing the thing that I do and then getting
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more success out of it.
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Right?
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Sure.
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It's the same thing.
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But the difference is that Alex is allowed to play the games, played the reindeer games
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with people like Tucker and Joe Rogan, sort of.
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Not the...
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David Icke is not.
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David Icke.
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Yeah.
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David Icke is not welcome on those places.
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So they have a little bit of a different perspective on things, even though they might both have
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a little bit of bitterness.
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So Alex knows that David Icke is going to come on.
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And so in order to prepare for this, he needs to kind of equivocate a little bit about his
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feelings on Musk.
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When somebody's fighting the globalist on so many fronts and also double dealing, obviously,
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he's got a foot in both worlds, but he's moving way towards us.
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I'm going to talk about the good I see and then criticize the bad I see.
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I don't think it's...
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David is a purist, which I think is a good.
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It's good to have him there as the guy that is going to really focus on Musk.
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It's good to have that position out there.
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But I just cannot in good conscience myself sit here when I see the globalist literally
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coming after Musk.
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He's devastating them.
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And sure, he probably wants to take over the system.
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He's just a competitor.
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That's probably what it is.
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Okay.
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He knows he's way smarter than them.
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They're all twisted and inbred and out of control and he's moving in on them.
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That's how they see Trump, by the way.
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They see Trump as a competitor.
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There's an old saying, I think Frank Herbert wrote about it, that it was said by philosophers
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before him that every revolutionary is a aspiring aristocrat in that every revolutionary really
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just wants to be in power.
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I think that's a cynical worldview because that's not how I am.
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I want to see humanity empowered.
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I want to see prosperity like the founders did.
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But most revolutionaries, particularly their leftists, do want to be the boss and do want
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to enslave people.
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So yeah, Frank Herbert.
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I...
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Okay.
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All right.
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If, if you're quoting God emperor of Dune and not a dude or dude Messiah or the one
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that you didn't finish children of Dune, all right.
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If you're quoting God emperor of Dune, you're a nerd like me.
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How dare you pretend otherwise?
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Well, Alex talks also about how like you could go to like garage sales and like vintage stores
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and find like the deeper writings of Frank Herbert.
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Yeah.
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Nonfiction stuff.
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Yeah.
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Real nerd.
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Does Alex not realize what he's saying in that clip?
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Like he's essentially just said that Elon Musk sees the globalist as weak and wants
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to usurp their position.
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That would mean that Musk wants to take over the world and that should be maybe a bigger
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problem for Alex.
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Well, you'd think.
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So here's the problem as it stands and that is that just as Alex is saying that Musk has
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his feet in both worlds, so does Alex.
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Alex is enjoying the attention of associating with Musk and Rogan and being friends with
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Tucker and being on Tucker's show and Russell Brand's show.
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He's breathing in air that David Icke is not really allowed to enjoy and at the same time
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he's trying to hang out with David Icke who's invested in his own lane of conspiracy alternative
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media.
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Alex wants to have his cake and eat it too and that causes tension.
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The issue is that these things don't really work together.
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The Rogan Tucker brand, that media ecosystem relies on collaboration and mutual promotion
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while David Icke has a market that's almost entirely based on being the only one who truly
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gets it.
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These are oppositional forces and Alex believes that he can wrangle both, but he can't really.
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The good news is that David Icke has no interest in trying to destroy Alex.
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He just is lashing out to try and get into a fight with someone for some publicity.
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He's got a new book coming out.
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Those other dudes like Rogan and Tucker wouldn't bite on this kind of a obvious try to fight
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with me.
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But based on where Alex has placed himself, he really can't easily ignore David Icke.
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And so he's the one who gets to fight with him.
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I mean, yet again, we are in a all gut Joe Rogan like a pig territory.
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Like everything David Icke is doing right now, Alex has done directly to Joe Rogan.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It's not dissimilar.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, instead of talking about indwelling on these kinds of things, these petty squabbles,
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he wants to talk about how they're winning.
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The Patriots are winning.
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What I want to talk about here today is winning.
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And I've got a short clip where we want to play when we come back from break of Joe Rogan
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with the NFL quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who I really admire, not for the NFL.
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I mean, I, I like football.
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I mean, I think he's, I think it's cool.
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I mean, I think he's, I like him a thousand times more because he's got courage and they
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had some nice things to say about me, but, but what it's really about is the fact that
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this broadcast is now seen by Tucker Carlson, set it on Aaron into, into my face, Joe Rogan,
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all of them as the most accurate.
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I've made some mistakes.
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I've, I've followed rabbit trails.
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I've been set up, taken the bait a few times.
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I'm not perfect.
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But the fact that in this world today, the most popular talk show, also people say, Alex
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Jones is the best we've got.
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That shows how far we've come.
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It's not about, Oh, look, I'm the best we've got boy saying much.
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So you can kind of see how Alex's position is fundamentally at odds with David Ike.
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The definition of proving that the globalists are being defeated is that an idiot like Aaron
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Rogers said nice things about Alex on Rogan's podcast.
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This is foundational stuff for Alex, the core of his identity and the characterization of
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the fight against the devil depends on what people are saying about him on Rogan's podcast.
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Consider that David Ike takes a different view.
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He believes that shows like Rogan's are meant to be gatekeepers that make sure the audience
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gets a taste of alternativeness, but keeps them out of the real stuff that's really threatening
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to the global cult.
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In Ike's conception, the fact that Rogan and his guests are saying nice things about Alex
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means that Alex isn't cutting edge.
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You can kind of see in that contrast how Alex can maybe give lip service and the fake appearance
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of a debate with Ike, but it's far too threatening to his sense of self to even consider the
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position that Ike is coming from.
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In this sense, their interview is doomed before it begins because in order to side with David
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Ike, you have to fundamentally change your value system.
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Yeah.
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Like not values like ethical values, but what matters, what holds weight.
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Well, I mean, I think, I think what's fun about it is that Ike kind of has it backwards
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in that I think what he's realizing, or at least kind of the phenomenon that he's misinterpreting
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is how many people want to enjoy the more extreme without having to live there.
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You know, a lot of people like as you know, the reason that Alex has to frame Aaron Rogers
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saying obvious things as courage, despite the fact that there are no consequences for
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him possible.
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Right?
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Like, what are they going to do?
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He's already made tens of millions of dollars.
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He's already a hall of fame quarterback.
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The worst that can happen is he doesn't get a job next to Troy Aikman, you know, like,
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Oh, Jimmy Kimmel might sue him.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But, but David Ike, oddly enough, does have to face consequences for living in the extreme
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all the time.
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Life is more or less a consequence in some ways.
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There's some upsides to it in terms of he's incredibly rich and has an audience that will
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never leave no matter what.
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There is that benefit to it, sure.
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But there is also like, you have to be David Ike now.
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Yep.
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And he has to live that and that is a part of what you're taking in if you are around
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him or if you are taking, like just reading his books or watching his videos, you have
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to be like, this is a guy who is inside this shit.
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Rogan has fun.
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You know, he goes and takes the deprivation tanks and freezes himself for fun and you
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know, whatever.
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He does ayahuasca and talks with Duncan Trussell.
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There's fun things in his life.
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He does stand up.
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David Ike is just David Ike.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Instead of, instead of David Ike looking for, looking at it as they're keeping people
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from getting too alternative, he should really be looking at it as, you know, the way that
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we kind of explain it, which is the pipeline.
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It is because of Rogan that you are getting more popularity.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's because people want a vacation with you that you're getting, you know.
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Yeah.
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People like Rogan and even, you know, Russell Brand give the impression that you're able
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to dip into this macabre bizarre like view of the world and still live a normal life
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and have fun and you know, maybe even be a rich celebrity and shit.
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Whereas David Ike, there's a guarantee that if you believe this stuff, you're fucked.
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It's the rest of your life and you're just doing this and that's kind of not as fun.
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Listen, as somebody who's raised a biblically fundamentalist, I respect a certain amount
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of, listen, this is not a thing that you can somewhat do.
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It's all or nothing.
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Yeah, there's not a half measure with David Ike.
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Yeah.
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So, we find ourselves with Alex playing this clip from Rogan's podcast and then complaining
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a little.
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Look at like ancient Egypt.
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Look at how insanely sophisticated they were and if you subscribe to the Graham Hancock
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and Randall Carlson's perspective, which I do, which is that at one point in time, there
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was an incredibly sophisticated society, probably more sophisticated than we are, that lived
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in Africa, in Egypt and that those people were probably in a different direction, but
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far more advanced than we are today and then they were wiped out and then go after that.
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So if you're talking about 11,000 years ago, 11,800 years ago when they got wiped out and
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it just, you know, we're down to like 1% of the population, think about what history looks
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like when you go back 4,000 years, 3,000, it's barbarians.
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That's Joe Rogan.
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That's powerful.
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And I know Joe very well, okay, like extremely well.
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That's some parties in Vegas, other places that were like the hangover, I mean, for a
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long time ago, but he's real and then people are like, oh no, he's not real because he's
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popular.
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No, freedom is popular.
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I know I'm for real.
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So other people like Elon Musk are going to see that, they're going to come our direction
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for whatever reason, we've got to be ready to win.
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Here's David Icke about the interview coming up in about 30 minutes.
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Wait, what?
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Hello everybody.
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Tonight, 6 p.m. UK, I'll be talking live with Alex Jones in the United States about my views,
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been quite controversial, but that's a change, isn't it?
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So Alex is playing a promotional video that David Icke put out about their interview.
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This is weird.
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Why are you doing that?
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Is that okay?
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I mean, I'm sure David Icke doesn't mind, but it seems like a weird way to fill time.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Don't you have a job?
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Apparently the job is what you make it, you know?
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So Roger Stone comes on.
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I'm sorry, we got a Stone and Icke.
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Yep.
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Two old weirdos.
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And we're talking about 11,000 years ago with Joe Rogan, 1,000 years ago with Putin.
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Does anybody have any fucking clue what to do about, I don't know, income inequality
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today?
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No, no, no.
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No, but you know who did?
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The secret Egyptians.
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They did.
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They knew what to do about it.
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Oh, the secret Egyptians.
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I forgot about them.
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So I'm going to skip a little bit of Tucker, or we do get back to Tucker, and that's the
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reason I'm skipping past.
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Roger complains a bit about Biden and, you know, whatever.
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Yeah.
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He's old.
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I get it.
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Whatever.
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Well, yeah.
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And the classified materials situation that Biden was not charged with, he wants to complain
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like, oh, they're doing that, but they're still going to charge Trump.
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They are different.
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So we skip ahead to where Alex wants to talk to Roger about the Tucker-Putin interview.
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And it's a little strange, the two of them.
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All right, Roger.
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I would be remiss if I didn't talk about the Tucker-Carlson interview.
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It's obviously bigger than Carlson, bigger than Putin.
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It's about trying to stop World War III, and it's about the war against the press, and
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the idea that Tucker couldn't go interview whoever he wants.
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They're calling for him to be indicted for the Espionage Act, all of this.
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And then I watched the whole thing last night, watched part of it again this morning, but
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all the other news is so pressing, I'm going to cover it more on a special Saturday show
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and Sunday and Monday.
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I mean, it's so big we need to unpack it all.
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But we saw a real intellect, no matter what you think about Putin, he's obviously strong
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man and doesn't play games, that is in charge of a country, the fifth largest economy in
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the world, the largest nuclear power.
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And that Tucker asked some pretty tough questions, too, about, hey, you need to release that
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Wall Street Journal journalist right now.
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I expect to take him home with me.
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I mean, Tucker said no.
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Is that how he said it?
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Don't you debate that he's a hostage.
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I expect to take him home with me.
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Well, OK, we'll probably release him.
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So you can see the respect, I mean, nobody talks to Putin like that, but they know he's
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so real.
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And the Russians kept saying, we just want into the West, we just want to make money
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with you.
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We don't want to be communist anymore.
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And he used all the examples of NATO and how they tried to enter NATO and all of this.
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And I mean, I think the interview was so intellectual.
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Yeah, it was pretty intellectual.
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So Alex, in fact, did not do a Saturday show all about this.
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And Owen hosted on Sunday, probably because Alex was incredibly busy telling someone how
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much he doesn't care about the Super Bowl.
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I would assume that was what Alex was busy with.
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Yeah, totally.
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So on Thursday, February 8th, the title of Alex's show was World Braces for Tucker Carlson's
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Historic Interview with Vladimir Putin.
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On Wednesday the 7th, the show was titled World Braces for Release of Tucker Carlson
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Interview as Deep State Accelerates War on Press.
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This was the top fucking story for days.
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And then after it's released, Alex is giving it short shrift on the show, saying he'll
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cover it later and moving on to the exciting flashy fight with David Icke.
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It really couldn't be clearer that Alex didn't get what he wanted from this interview.
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He has no real propaganda to use out of this long, mostly boring interview itself.
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And he desperately doesn't want to acknowledge how insulting Putin was to Tucker.
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So we have this.
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And I will say that I had my misgivings about taking up a whole show to cover the interview,
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but I think you were right.
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It's valuable to cover because it's being rewritten by Alex almost immediately.
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The existence of the thing that gets just the thing that happened, that you can mold
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into whatever shape you want, that is more valuable than the content of the actual interview.
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Putin didn't come around to Tucker's side about releasing Evan Gershkovich at all.
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From the first moment Tucker brought that case up, Putin was very clear they had no
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problem releasing him, but the price needed to be right.
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Tucker did say something to the effect of like, hey, come on, man, you know, he's not
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a spy.
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But Putin just said that, no, I do consider him a spy.
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Tucker made no headway on that issue.
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This is already something that's being rewritten by Alex, and this makes no sense.
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If he's decrying the war on the press, how does he square that with the reality that
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Putin has imprisoned this American journalist on false pretenses for the sake of a hostage
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exchange?
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This is a comical level of dissonance that Alex is displaying in his coverage.
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You've heard Alex say a couple times that the interview was so intellectual.
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And I think that that's his way of trying to lionize the interview, even though there's
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now really a lot in it that can play to the show and the audience without boring them.
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It's just too intellectual, you know, smart stuff.
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It is a pejorative use of the word intellectual, while at the same time making it sound like
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it's not.
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You know, like, oh, it's an extremely intellectual interview, which is, you know, nominally supposed
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to be like, aha, look at how smart these people are, as opposed to what it is, which is like,
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ah, these idiots are talking about the past.
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It's a way of being like, it's important, but it'll bore you.
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Yeah, you don't want to watch it.
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You get the sense, like from the way that Alex is talking about this, that the interview
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itself was kind of a bomb, but Alex still loves Putin.
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Maybe even more than he did before, because he's so strong and dictator like.
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I do think that he has an improved view of Putin after Putin was so dismissive of Tucker.
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I really do think that he's more and more enamored of, I mean, how can you say, all
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right, this guy runs a country and then immediately follow that with the fifth largest economy
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in the world and then not immediately follow that with one guy shouldn't do that shit.
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What?
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What are we doing?
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And instead he's like, look at how awesome it is that one guy has complete control.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is strange.
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But I mean, like, that's the, you know, that's what he was saying at the beginning there
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too.
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Like with the, you know, he gets to run the state unilaterally, he has 80% approval ratings,
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you know, like Alex loves the features and hallmarks of dictatorship because he wants
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a dictator.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has an interesting question for Roger and that is, Hey buddy, you knew Nixon.
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How would Nixon have done this interview?
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How would a genius of a Putin level, I mean, how would have Nixon if he was president today,
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how would Richard Nixon deal with Putin?
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I think he, I think he would see opportunity for both peace and prosperity for both our
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countries.
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I mean, these people have the nuclear bomb and you can't just keep brushing them off
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and lying to them.
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I thought that that historical beginning, which I thought in the beginning might just
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be stonewalling.
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He laid that out for a specific reason.
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I think we've missed a classic opportunity.
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I still, I don't have the benign view of China that he does.
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I think China.
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I agree.
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That was the biggest thing.
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It's this easy pink thing.
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And Russia has never trusted China, but now they're having to work with them because of
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the war.
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But, but absolutely.
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Putin basically said, we're 1100 years old, man.
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We're not communist.
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And I don't like linen giving away and he explained all that and he was like, dude,
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we're not communist.
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He said, we're Orthodox Christians.
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We're having a bunch of babies.
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We want to make money.
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Leave us alone.
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Yeah, man.
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That's a very good summation of the arguments.
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No, it is not.
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Yeah, dude.
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Yeah, it is.
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No.
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How could Roger have thought the historical part of that beginning was stonewalling?
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Like I get that Tucker could make that mistake in the moment.
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Cause he's there having the interview and maybe he's just like really out of sorts,
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but if you're listening to it and watching it, how could that be the impression that
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you get?
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That's weird.
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Alex's assessment of things is once again, way off.
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Russia is not a country that has not been friendly with China.
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Xi and Putin are very much allies and their countries have been close for quite a while
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now.
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It is true that the invasion of Ukraine has driven them closer together as Russia has
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become more disconnected from the world community, but to try to pretend that they weren't close
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before is ridiculous.
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I know that Alex has to find a way to try to balance his narratives about loving Putin
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and hating Xi, but this is no good.
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This does not work.
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It's comical on its face.
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Are they also just going to pretend that Putin didn't argue quite clearly that he doesn't
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think Ukraine is a real country and that they're actually Russian so he can seize territory?
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That seems like a pretty big element of the interview that's inconvenient for Alex's existing
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narratives.
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So I guess they're just going to ignore it, but it didn't happen.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's, I think that's also why I'm so, I think, I don't think I'm mad at that
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at it as so much as I feel like it's shortsighted from so many people.
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You know why I reached out to journalists like, did anybody watch this shit?
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You know, it's because now when it's not interesting and exciting is the time when this type of
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thing needs to be documented exhaustively, you know, because as we are seeing in two
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days already, it's like, Hey, Putin did everything that I expected him to first off, despite
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the fact that he didn't, everything that I find useless or hurtful about this interview
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didn't happen.
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Right.
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And I mean, I can lionize the guy who fucked it all up as being genius.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, it is a testament to how much like shit doesn't really matter except as
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it is useful.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, uh, it is, it is only whatever this thing, whatever utility this thing has for
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me is what it is as opposed to, it is actually a thing in and of itself.
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And you're right.
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I think there is, there is an importance to, uh, you know, minding that like this, this
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boring ish thing.
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How is it going to be weaponized and used by people as a prop and you can, yeah, you
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see it already and that's to me, it screams like that it wasn't what they wanted, you
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know, with Alex days of his episodes being titled, the world is bracing for the release
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of this thing.
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And then it comes out and he's like, I'm going to fight with David, like, like, it's not,
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it doesn't make sense.
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I'm going to talk a tiny bit about this in very vague, dismissive terms and rewrite a
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few parts of it that I think work on the edges of what I wanted it to be.
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And then just move along.
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It's very ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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And then, and cause here's what I think is going to be the case now is it will be useful
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in the future.
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And because so many people didn't actually watch it, they will only have something of
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their own impression about which to, you know, interpret it.
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Yeah.
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Especially their response.
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Like so many people I've read all of their stuff and none of them were like, okay, well
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here's Tucker's existing narratives that he's trying to push.
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They're all like Tucker, the journalist didn't do a good job.
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And it's like, well, one you're already stupid.
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He's not a journalist and he hasn't been shut up, you know, it's already done.
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And so I keep thinking back to like, I know this is a weird specific reference, but that
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Carol Howe story that early on story she had where she was being chased by four black men.
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And that's, that's how she broke her ankles or whatever.
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And that was just credulously reported for 40 years.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like people just kept repeating that because they didn't even, you know, why would she
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lie about that?
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Why would that happen?
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And it's kind of the similar, it's similar to this, you know, why would Alex say the
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opposite of what happened happened?
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And then if you haven't watched the actual interview, if you've only watched parts of
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it, then you'll go, well, there are parts, he can't be lying about everything he's saying.
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So there's something that's going to slip through the cracks.
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That is not true.
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Yeah.
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And it'll be used for whatever that ulterior agenda is that made you lie to begin with
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made the lie happened to begin with that went on unexamined.
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Yeah.
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So there's a little bit more about the the Putin interview.
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And you can see, I think in this next clip, the the point of any of it.
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In the last nine years, Putin has told the West and NATO hundreds of times face to face
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at every major meeting, I'm going to invade Ukraine.
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If you continue to push out the Russians and move weapons in and have you said the complete
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opposite of that is no many times doorsteps was born and Putin gave it a history lesson
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on your stay.
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I predicted he do that.
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I nailed it.
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I did it in the first hour and then a little 10 minute history lesson myself said you'll
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probably hear this because that's what Putin's trying to explain to people.
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And the same globalist arrogance now they've lost in Ukraine.
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Ukraine's defeated.
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They're getting ready to get rid of Zelensky, but they keep doubling down.
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So on politics, as positive things are as strong as Trump is, they just keep escalating.
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So what do you expect next to them to throw at Trump and what can we do to protect President
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Trump?
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I know a big thing is he's run out of money when it comes to his campaign.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And Putin absolutely, you know, like he kept saying that he wasn't going to invade before
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invading.
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Alex said Putin wasn't going to even invade.
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Like that Alex is rewriting his own shit entirely.
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This is ridiculous.
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And not for nothing, but I don't remember Alex doing a big history lesson in the first
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hour.
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I'm pretty sure he's just calling back to how he claimed that he predicted Putin would
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do that.
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Slob the wise from the 1100 years ago, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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But you see something here that I think is important.
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You made a point a couple times in our Tucker coverage that the goal for Tucker and Putin
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should be to do something to galvanize support for Trump, because if Trump gets into office,
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he's threatening to essentially destroy NATO, which would free up Russia to do whatever
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they want more or less in the region.
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For whatever reason, the interview didn't entirely go down that path, but you can see
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how the idea of this interview is closely coupled in Alex's mind with the re-election
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of Trump.
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What you were touching on is what the folks in Alex and the right wing media, what they
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were expecting.
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So these thoughts are pretty easy to jump between.
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They were expecting this to be a way that they could then jump to give Trump money for
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his campaign.
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And even though it wasn't that, Alex still has that pathway in his mind to use this interview
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as a prop to get there.
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That is such a great piece of evidence for that's what it was supposed to be the entire
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time.
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And that's such another thing that I'm not seeing in the mainstream coverage of this
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whole thing is this, this is not a failure of a journalistic interview.
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This is a failure of propaganda.
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It's far more interesting that they failed at the thing that you didn't think they were
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there to do.
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And they haven't really wrestled with the idea that Tucker wasn't there to even pretend
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to be a journalist and he was there to help get Trump elected.
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They haven't even wrestled with that.
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It's bananas.
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So now Jordan, we get to the point where everybody wanted this to go.
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And by everybody, I mean nobody.
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And that is David Icke shows up.
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So Alex gives a little introduction to David Icke.
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And you think, I think he's, Alex is mad.
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I think that's one of the things you're going to get the sense of through this because David
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Icke told him to wake the fuck up on Twitter and Alex doesn't like that kind of thing.
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All right.
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I've been wanting to get him on for months and we've got him.
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First selling author, former top BBC broadcaster, former head of the Green Party, but better
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known for the last 35 years since he got thunderstruck with a vision of the coming New World Order.
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I really respect him.
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I know he's a great guy.
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David Icke is here with us and I think he serves a great purpose, you know, being kind
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of the counterbalance to Elon Musk and the things he's been doing.
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But I'll be honest, I see Elon moving, you know, if he was pointed towards the New World
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Order five years ago, I see moving rapidly, you know, in a 180.
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And so I'm positive for the good changes happening and how it's helping accelerate the awakening.
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I'm not going to turn the lights off and turn my back on Elon Musk.
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But that said, I don't think it's fair when David comes up with this term, the mainstream
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alternative meteor, or MAM, or minions of Elon Musk.
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I'm also not looking to give torch to the mouth.
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I'm not censoring a damn thing I say.
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I'm more hardcore than I've ever been.
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So yeah, you will not call me MAM.
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Yes, I think Alex is just like, I don't know if he would care that much if he wasn't tagged
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in that tweet.
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This is the sense that I get.
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David Icke, my name's in your mouth and I don't like that.
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I mean, I think it's prob- I don't know if there's a reason to have David Icke on for
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Alex that isn't personal, right?
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Yep.
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Like, there's no like, oh, well, we got to get him on to proponents new book.
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I think that, you know, the two of them have a unfortunate association.
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And I think that Alex does have a reason, like, here's the thing, like David Icke does
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have his own audience and there is a legitimate audience there.
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And Alex would like to cater to that audience and have his own like sort of credibility
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with them.
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And so ignoring David essentially cuts off that section of whatever potential audience
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he has.
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Sure.
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You know, it's that thing of him being his feet in both worlds.
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He wants to benefit from David's audience as well as all the Rogan, Tucker, Russell
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Brand audiences.
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Yeah, you know, I keep, in my head, I think about that and I go, well, it's not possible
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for you to, you know, whenever it's a purity test, if you're already in the too pure line,
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you can't then be like, oh, well, I also enjoy Alex.
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But I'm sure there are plenty of people, if not plenty, at least some people who can rationalize
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it that you wouldn't otherwise have.
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So even if it's a hundred people out of 10 million, you know, that's a hundred more than
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you would have had.
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That's true.
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And you have the potential to pick people up who are like, maybe they're into the super
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hyper purist David Icke kind of guy, but they're also like, you know what, Alex isn't right
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all the time, but he has a lot of value and there's a lot of worthwhile stuff.
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He's on there doing shows every day.
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You can get a lot more, you know, maybe kernels of information than David Icke, who puts out
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these, you know, maybe once a week, a show and has more of the raw truth.
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So you can, you can have still an expectation that you'll, maybe you won't get the most
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like hyper excited and dedicated audience out of it, but you'll still be able to get
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people to come over.
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Yeah, totally.
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And then also it's personal.
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He's totally personal.
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He doesn't like to be, yeah, stop calling me out from that direction.
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I'm not supposed to be called out from that direction.
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Right.
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So he's a bit defensive.
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I turned down the $10 million a year contracts in the book deals to be the new Rush Limbaugh,
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Roger Ailes, Fox news shows, because they were straight up.
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You're going to work for us now.
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You're going to do like the old Rush Limbaugh.
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Am I right?
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It says here, you're banned off this and now you can counter everybody's been attacking
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you.
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I mean, I'm going to use it.
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Okay.
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Now that, that doesn't mean I'm going to put my knee pads on and you know, give, give Elon
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Musk a blow job.
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Uh, so I'm going to let you run with this and I don't really want to have a debate.
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I called it a debate cause that makes it more interesting, but a discussion, but I will
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say David, I admire you clickbait.
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It's clickbait.
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I just called it that for clickbait.
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We're not going to have a debate because I don't really don't want to argue with this
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with you because I don't really have a leg to stand on.
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Also, I guess this is not a family show today, just talking about blow jobs.
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Really doesn't feel like it.
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So there's something in that clip that I think is really worth noting.
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Alex is trying to pretend that David Ike's criticism of Alex is that he's on Twitter,
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but that's not the case.
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He's essentially arguing that this click within the mainstream alternative media is beholden
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to and makes excuses for Musk in a way that they wouldn't for other figures and didn't
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before Elon Musk bought Twitter.
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Part of this has to do with the fact that he bought Twitter, obviously Twitter is essential
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for misinformation peddlers in the modern era to run their businesses.
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But just using Twitter itself is not David's criticism.
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David is on Twitter.
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That's where he and Alex got into a fight.
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So I mean, it's not that Alex is using this straw man because he wants a simpler thing
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to defend himself about then the charge that he treats Musk with kid gloves and essentially
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hero worships him because he pretends to care about free speech.
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And he bought a platform that allows everyone in the right wing conspiracy space to make
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a lot more money more easily.
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But there's another aspect here.
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And that is that Alex has juxtaposed being on Twitter with offers that globalists allegedly
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have made to do things for him, like make him the next Limbaugh.
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He's made that comparison twice on this show already.
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That's weird because in that situation, it's a job offer.
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Whereas with Twitter, it's just being allowed to post on a platform.
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This makes me curious if there is any job-like aspects with Alex's relationship with Twitter.
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Is there a financial arrangement with him being on there?
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Like, I know that he's a verified account, so it seems likely he's making money from
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engagement to the things that he posts, but that's true of all sorts of accounts.
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The question here, is there a deeper connection that's making Alex compare being back on Twitter
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to being a job?
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And I would wonder about that.
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I would make a Twitter file on that.
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Yeah, I hadn't considered that.
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I hadn't considered that not only could he have come back to Twitter, but they could
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have negotiated a fucking deal for him.
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Sure.
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Because a lot of people have deals.
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Tucker probably has some kind of an arrangement, given that he posts exclusively his shows
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on there and stuff.
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Yeah.
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I think the bad guys have a fucking arrangement with Twitter, too.
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I wouldn't be hyper-surprised to hear that.
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Ah, man.
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That's fucked.
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I don't know that that's the case, though, and I have no information, but the way that
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Alex is talking about this, I turned down all these deals for jobs from globalists.
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That seems to only really be applicable as a defense to being on Twitter, if it's a job
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that you've gotten.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know.
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Maybe Alex's brain is just weird.
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I suppose he could be insecure because he's... Okay, if I'm Alex, maybe I'm insecure
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about going back on Twitter in the first place.
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Maybe I'm insecure because I said all kinds of stuff where I'm like, the best thing that
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happened was we got kicked off Twitter and all of that stuff, and I should be looking
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like I'm more cool and hardcore, and instead, I went running back to Twitter, and I made
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a reference to giving Elon Musk a blowjob, not because I wasn't going to do it, but because
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metaphorically that is what I'm doing all the time.
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Well, actually, what you bring up is really interesting because Alex's whole like, I'm
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so much happier off Twitter, it's the best thing that happened getting kicked off.
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In order for that to be gone back on, it has to be that Elon Musk is a hero and everything
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is so great.
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That is why it's okay to go back.
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It would be submission and some kind of a backpedaling if he were to go back while Jack
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was still in charge of it, but now that Elon, the patriot, the good hero guy is in charge,
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it's like, well, it's a conquered country.
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I can go back to it.
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It's under new management.
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So he's heavily reliant on defending Elon Musk in ways that are critical to his identity
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that maybe he doesn't even realize, and that makes talking to David a little bit threatening.
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I would not want to put myself out there quite like that, especially when you're putting
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yourself into a box that has you riding Elon Musk's coattails, you know?
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Like that's fine on the way up, but the way down is going to not be fun.
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It's fine on the way up and it's fine.
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You can jettison him too.
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If you're someone like Alex, what is not fine, what is not pleasant is still associating
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with fucking David Icke, who's not going to give you a pass on it.
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That's the problem.
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That is the problem.
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You're right.
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You're right.
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Cut bait on this old weirdo.
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You are right.
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So anyway, David Icke comes in and he immediately just knocks down Alex's straw man and gets
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to his own point.
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But I've not been seduced by the dark side.
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I'm not dancing to the fiddle of Elon Musk.
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Go ahead, sir.
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Right.
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Well, first of all, I'm not saying that people shouldn't use Twitter X.
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Of course they should use it.
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I use it.
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It's a vehicle at the moment for as long as it lasts to get information out.
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And M in ma'am doesn't stand for minion.
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It stands for mainstream.
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And there has become a mainstream alternative media which is dominated the the airwaves,
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if you like.
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And if we could just start before we get into Musk, one of the things that I've observed
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and that is that when I started out, there was no alternative media, just one or two
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people.
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And I watched the alternative media emerge.
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And although, you know, it was still seeing left and right to a certain extent.
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There was a lot of streetwise people who were realizing that left and right is a puppet
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show and that the real decisions that are working through left and right are being made
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by a deeper levels than the left right political level, what I call the global cult and creating
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a dialectic where they play the two sides of golf against what you pioneered exposing.
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Yeah.
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If you're Alex, you probably don't like hearing that.
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Here's the guy whose whole thing is that he has more integrity than everybody else, who
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you have to pretend to respect, who's reminding you that things used to not be about left
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and right in the alternative media.
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That's got to suck since there is a criticism buried in there.
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These people who were in Ike's conception of the MAM, they all lean to the right or
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at very least their politics can be described as opponents of the left.
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Who on the left does Alex even associate with or have on the show?
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What voices exist in this world that aren't slight variations of the extreme right?
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If Alex hears that criticism and understands it, what's being said is that you guys, David
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Ike speaking here, you guys have fallen back into the left right paradigm and can't see
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the forest for the trees.
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You're all a bunch of hacks, everything that you complained about, about how that old generation
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was all stuck in that left right paradigm and how when you're in your twenties, you're
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going to make a big difference and change things, surprise, you are what you pretended
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to hate.
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You have become the thing that which you pretended to fight against.
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Yep.
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So David brings up a little bit more of this.
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That's even more kind of close to accusatory.
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And then I think he's doing an Alex impression at one point to Alex's face.
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You see at the left and right level, we're left there, the liberals, we're against the
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liberals, liberals.
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But you go a step deeper into the rabbit hole, into the web, to the cult level.
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And what appears to be the situation here can be very different here.
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And what I've noticed, particularly since covid, is that this what I call mainstream
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of the alternative media that gets all the numbers basically has regressed back into
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this left right paradigm.
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Yeah.
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You dicks are all just wandering around talking about your right wing shit.
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Yep.
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I think he's wrong about everything, but that's a valid criticism.
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Do you know what it's one of those it's one of those things where if if I'm doing interpretation
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of the Lord of the Rings, you know, my my surface level, my deep and all this stuff.
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But my close reading says to me that only Gollum could have ever destroyed the ring.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Because only evil can truly look into the face of evil and then, you know, destroy the
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ring.
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This feels like Gollum being like, I'm fighting you, Sauron.
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It feels right.
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It feels like.
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Well, but and you also have like the motivation isn't to destroy the ring.
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The motivation is selfish.
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Yeah.
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I want my shit.
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Yeah.
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I want my shit back.
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I'm bitter.
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You were mean to me.
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I fucking hate that guy.
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I was friends with fucking Frodo for a while.
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Fuck this.
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I started all this shit.
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It was me.
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I found the one ring.
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Yeah, it is.
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It has some of that dynamic to it.
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And you kind of have to recognize that some of the criticisms are correct.
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Where it goes with them are David Icke like.
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And so they're, you know, not to they're not worth a damn.
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But some of the criticisms like, hey, your media ecosystem is drifted out of the left
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right being above the left right paradigm to being inside it.
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Now, the reality is they never were outside of it.
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That was pretend.
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But David's criticism that they are inside it.
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Very valid.
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His criticism that everybody's treating Elon Musk with kid gloves and they're all pretending
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that there's nothing to criticize about him.
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Very valid where he goes with that not.
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So I mean, it is it is one of those things with David Icke.
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A lot of the time he has some things that are like, good point.
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Now you're crazy.
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No, sure.
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Go crazy.
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All right.
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I think I think David Icke is one of those quintessential like the enemy of my enemy
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is not my friend.
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But if I see my enemy barreling towards my other enemy, I'm just going to get out of
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the way.
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Go for it, man.
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You have fun.
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And I'm probably going to laugh a little bit.
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I'm going to laugh a little bit.
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It's going to be enjoyable, especially when the two enemies are pretending to be friends.
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Absolutely.
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While they fight.
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So David makes a very valid point here about how everybody in that media ecosystem, the
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whole MAM, the MAM, all of them are like really into Putin.
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But Putin is in bed with China.
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What the fuck are you guys doing?
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What's happening in China in terms of control and suppression and the digital concentration?
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Who's the model?
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It's the model that was set up to be the model.
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So what I'm saying is, you know, if you look at it at left and right, then you can see
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it a certain way.
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And most people have.
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But if you look at it from this cult big picture level, then what you have is the push backers
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of the West that kind of seeing Putin as some kind of hero when he's absolutely in bed with
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the Chinese, that the push backers say is a danger.
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So what people and Putin and Putin and we're having a discussion here because I have you
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on.
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You just runs all over you.
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But what are you doing, Alex?
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We have Putin praising Elon Musk saying he's an amazing, wonderful person and Elon won't
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talk about China.
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I was waiting for you to bring that up.
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That's the one big thing I see you on is up to there.
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You talk about neural link, too, but it's the China thing.
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Yeah, well, well.
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We can get into Musk as we go along with the point I'm making here is that the power is
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moving east.
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And the more that my point is, David, you say it wasn't many.
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And I know ma'am means, you know, mainstream alternative media.
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But there were little comments.
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I don't have the tweets in front of me.
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The X thing was like little groveling people to that.
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Let me finish.
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I'm saying you're exposing me.
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I'm talking about Elon being with China and Putin, too.
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So I'm doing this every day, just like you are.
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So when you say that, that, that, oh, I'm going to be amazing on there, I'm going to
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be straight up with you when you're saying I'm changing what I'm saying.
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I don't think you're tuning in because I'm saying the same stuff you're saying, buddy.
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And I agree with you, Alex.
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It's not about you, mate.
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And it's not about me.
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It's about what the hell is happening in the world.
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And that's the point I'm making.
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So the point that David is making here is one that's an essential tension for Alex's
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position with Putin, that he's trying to deflect away with things like the comment earlier
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when he said that Russia, they didn't trust China, but they've had to recently.
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He can't square the circle of his narratives.
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And that's an inconvenient thing that David Icke is pointing out, that the hero of this
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ma'am is in bed with the country they claim is the big villain.
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This doesn't make sense.
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And no amount of talking over people is going to shake someone like David Icke from trying
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to make this point and continuing to make this point.
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But you see Alex try.
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He throws David a bone, hoping to get him off track, saying that he criticizes Musk
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not being anti-China enough, and then going on to browbeat David about the Twitter comments.
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This just probably isn't going to work with someone like David Icke, but it probably would
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with somebody else.
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Someone else who didn't have their own sense of self and gravitas in their own circle probably
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would be like, okay, I'll allow the topic to shift, but not David Icke, he's a dog with
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a bone.
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Right.
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I imagine most people will go up to Christopher Nolan and be like, Tenet was a good movie,
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but it doesn't make sense.
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And I'm sure he doesn't like that.
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I bet that's very annoying to him.
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Because he worked really hard on that, and it has its own internal logic to it.
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But yeah, if you want to point out plot holes, great.
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How about that?
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Now did we have a fun time?
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Now did we have a fun time?
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We could have had more fun if we all liked Tenet, couldn't we?
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Yep.
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I think that you're getting almost exactly what the problem is with David Icke, at least
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for these people.
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I have some other problems with him, but the problem for these folks is that he doesn't
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let them have their fun.
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Couldn't we have fun?
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So David Icke in this next clip, he lays out his case against Elon Musk.
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This is where it's like, okay, you have some criticisms about people not criticizing Musk,
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and that's fair.
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That's fine.
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But you're also nuts.
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And this is some of the nutsy stuff.
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The foundation of human control, where we're going, is connecting the human brain to artificial
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intelligence, not least via the cloud, the electromagnetic cloud of 5G, 6G, 7G to come,
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which is being generated by the towers.
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But fundamentally, if you want it globally, it's being generated by low orbit satellites.
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Now without this cloud, this agenda cannot happen.
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This is the cloud that Ray Kurzweil at Google talks about, where he said that the human
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brain is going to be connected to the cloud, artificial intelligence, and then he says
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artificial intelligence will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking as
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we know it is basically negligible.
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So this cloud is fundamental, and SpaceX, Elon Musk's of SpaceX, is leading the way
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in putting up low orbit satellites to beam this stuff at the Earth.
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And so the question is, if you are against this new world order, this human control system
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and hive mind, why are you facilitating it and bragging about it in posts on Twitter
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X, but you're putting these low orbit satellites up there?
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And you know, if Elon Musk is such a rebel, such a threat to the system, how come that
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SpaceX gets all these contracts, the massive amounts of money from people like NASA and
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the Pentagon?
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Only a few months ago, they were awarded a contract by the Pentagon to take over and
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create something called Star Shield, which is the military government communication system
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version of Starlink.
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Now these things should be questioned.
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When Tucker Carlson interviews Elon Musk, when Joe Rogan interviews Elon Musk, they
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should be asking, how do you square this?
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Now the connection to the cloud is meant to be via chipping.
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And here we have Neuralink from someone who says AI could be the end of humanity, and
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yet turns out more and more AI stuff, the Neuralink has just had the first human trial.
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Now I think it's a bit of a kind of diversion because the real connection to the cloud is
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through nanotechnology, not least that which was in the fake vaccine, but it's still going
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down the same road of chipping.
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Okay, so David, you're a great guy that does a great job lecturing, and I agree with everything
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you're saying, but let me just interject to bring this up.
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I'm just making my point, mate.
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So yeah, it's all a load of wild bullshit, but it's interesting to see how this case
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that Ike is laying out against Elon Musk contains both entirely fantasy elements and some really
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good points.
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Some of the most clear-eyed thinking surrounded by, nanobots are the vaccine!
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What are we doing?!
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Pretty much everything about the cloud and vaccines and the conspiracy plot is rambling
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nonsense, but his critique of the MAM is pretty spot on.
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Looks like Rogan do not treat Musk how they would treat someone else in his position.
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If the only thing Musk was doing was the brain chips, and he wasn't Elon Musk and didn't
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own Twitter, they would never stop talking about how he was secretly trying to turn people
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into robots on behalf of Satan or the globalists.
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Leave alone all the stuff about the contracts with the Pentagon and shit like that.
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That would be endlessly assessed.
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David Ike is a madman, but he has rightly assessed that these people have a suspicious
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lapse in their inquisitiveness when it comes to Musk, and unfortunately that's not something
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that's supposed to be called out.
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Musk gives these MAM figures access, and they don't want to jeopardize that access, being
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able to pile around with one of the richest men on Earth.
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I have zero doubt that Alex already understands this dynamic pretty clearly, and it's just
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not something that people normally bring up, because all these other people that Alex interacts
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with crave that same access to Musk.
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David Ike doesn't care, and actually relishes being the only voice in opposition to this
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crowd.
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It's interesting to see this dynamic in action, though I hate that it's David Ike.
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It just sucks when someone that awful is making a good point, but he's making a good point.
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Well, it's 2024, and he's still here, and a lot of people have fallen by the wayside.
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This is a man who knows how to weather shit.
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True.
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I mean, like it-
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And I think that one of the ways he weathers shit is beating his own path.
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Yeah.
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And that's what he's doing, which is, again, I think very savvy from a marketing perspective.
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No, it is very much if I can retain a survivable audience, then sure, I won't get the possible
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explosive audience, but in situations like this, I can still be myself.
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I don't have to kowtow.
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I don't have to bend the knee to anybody.
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And I can have what is essentially my own entire sphere.
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Basically, you have all of these other people who are repeating the same kind of shit.
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They're all having very similar content and all this, where he can be like, nah, I'm on
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my own island, baby.
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I'm nuts.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it is interesting.
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It is interesting, because a lot of that content is like, you know, algorithmically generated
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now.
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And people have staffs that are like, here are the YouTube clip title, you know, SEO,
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you know, all of these different things are juiced for algorithm.
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And for David Icke, it is for better or worse, the man thinks the government's lizards, and
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you know it.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Well, he thought his ex wife was a lizard lizard, too.
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That's why they had to get a divorce still still under investigation.
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So Alex might be on the wrong side of things in terms of David.
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And I think in this next clip, he may be implying that Alex is a useful idiot.
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All I'm saying is, and I'm not trying to be mean to you.
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But I actually don't care.
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We're friends, aren't we?
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I like you.
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You like me?
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Just go ahead.
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I'm gonna ask you, do you think I'm an agent of the New World Order?
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Just go ahead.
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But the point is, as I've said many times, you don't have to be a knowing agent of the
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code.
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What a useful idiot.
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If you have a certain mentality and you focus, for instance, on left-right politics and they're
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the people that get the promotion and the numbers, then you don't have to be part of
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it.
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You just have to be...
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I agree.
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And I'm the guy that coined the term left-right paradigm.
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I'm sorry?
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I feel like there's a lot of hostility around these parts lately.
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There's Putin shitting on Tucker, insulting him to his face.
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There's Alex and David Eich getting into a little bit of a fight.
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You know what I think it is?
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You know what I think it is?
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Not enough drama in the White House kind of thing.
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You know, Congress, the White House, everybody's kind of just like...
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Well, it's very tame times.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What else are you going to bitch about?
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I mean, really?
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Oh, Joe Biden's old.
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Did you get the libs mad with that?
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We're all like, yeah, it's fucking scary.
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He's too old.
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We agree.
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And you've already beat that drama a number of times.
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It's not very exciting.
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Totally.
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And I think that Alex needs something that's kind of exciting to rationalize not talking
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about the Tucker interview.
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Talking with David Eich is pretty exciting in terms of a replacement.
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There is a certain amount of the Tucker interview is school, the Eich interview is recess.
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Instead of doing homework, which is what you're supposed to do.
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That was the whole thing.
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You're supposed to do your homework.
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So unfortunately, David Eich lays out another good point about why don't you talk about
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Elon Musk saying all of these things?
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And then you've got another agenda.
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These are all W.E.F. agendas, by the way, which is autonomous vehicles where the computer
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will decide where you can and cannot go.
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Not your personal choice.
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And so you have Tesla.
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So what I'm saying is you look at the companies and the things that are done with these that
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he's fronting up and these need to be questioned.
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And since he took over Twitter X in very large areas, they're ceasing to be questioned.
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I'll give you an example.
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No, I think that's fair.
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I don't want you to make your point, but you're done, which is why I'm cutting you off for
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right now.
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Let's just say you're completely right.
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That's why we have you here, because we're not censoring and I respect you and we really
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like you a lot, David.
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They're a little perturbed with me.
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So I don't know if you noticed that at the end there, but Alex very clearly stopped himself
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from saying that he loves David.
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Yeah.
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He was very clear.
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We love you here.
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We like you here.
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We like you a lot.
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I love that even David Icke is, Hey, listen, we're friends.
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You're friends.
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Go ahead and say what you have to say, Alex.
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Not, yeah, we're friends.
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Cut it out.
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This is not what this is about.
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This is about a bigger problem.
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Just fucking talk.
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Yeah.
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And then just interrupting at that moment is so obvious.
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It just doesn't get more obvious than like, well, this is a very threatening thing you're
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about to say to me.
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Let's change the subject.
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But you remember how Alex said that David Icke is the turd in the punch bowl and he
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is still, but in a different way, what Alex meant was that he like brought the alien stuff
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into it and ruined all the Patriot militia, right wing conspiracies that were actually
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about serious stuff like the UN invasion of the United States and FEMA camps and stuff.
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So yeah, now David Icke is a different kind of turd in the punch bowl where he's the guy
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who doesn't let you have your fun.
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You have your narratives and it's all like you're dancing along.
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Everything is a la la la, great time.
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And then David comes along and what about the self-driving cars?
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What about how this is compatible with the UN WEF agenda?
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I think everyone can relate to the feeling of believing you have done a good job and
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then someone you know or love or care about comes up to you and points out something very
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obvious, a flaw that is right there that you missed.
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And the sinking feeling of like, oh, I just congratulated myself.
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You could have done this an hour from now and given me an hour of feeling good about
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myself, but instead you ripped it away immediately.
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Yeah, that's David.
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That's David.
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So obviously this makes Alex feel a bit defensive that he keeps pointing these things out that
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are fine points.
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It's mean.
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Yeah, it is.
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All right, stay there.
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Stay there, David.
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You're making your points, but you agree with most of what you're saying, but you've made
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statements and things.
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So I'm not bad for interjecting and bringing things up and telling you I'm saying the same
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thing I do.
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I'm not bad.
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Good, good.
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I'm doing the same thing I do every day.
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You're on.
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I love it.
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And that's what we're doing.
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So I'm not ma'am.
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I'm not part of ma'am.
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Get that straight.
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All right.
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I'm not ma'am.
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That is the whole point of this fucking interview.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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David, just say I'm not one of them.
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Right.
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You can call all the rest of them ma'am.
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You can talk about how there's a suspicious tendency in other people to not criticize
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Elon Musk enough, but I am not ma'am.
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And I also think that there is a feminine quality that Alex is ascribing to this ma'am
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thing that might also be kind of hitting a nerve.
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I agree.
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I think the combination of minion, the feminized acronym, and the just straight up, why are
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you making me feel bad for not being as cool as I think I am?
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Right.
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That's tough.
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That's tough.
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It's interesting because it's very personal for Alex, obviously.
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And David Icke keeps being like, hey man, it's not personal.
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This isn't about...
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Yeah.
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But at the same time, David Icke is very clearly motivated by feeling left out by this whole
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group.
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So it is kind of personal for him because abstractly personal, whereas this is directly
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personal for Alex.
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Yeah.
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What's personal to David Icke is that people aren't paying attention to what's right.
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Not that people aren't paying attention to David Icke specifically.
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It'd be fine.
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But definitionally...
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David Icke is the only person saying what David Icke is saying.
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So obviously people have to pay attention to me if they are believing the right things.
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Yeah.
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But in my definition, David Icke is the only person who's saying the right things.
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I'm only defending the right things, just so happens that that is me.
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And only me.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, I've left out a little bit that was hard to contain in one clip because
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of a commercial break.
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Essentially, Alex is stipulating that David is right and arguing that if Elon Musk is
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some kind of a globalist plant, then it must mean that the Patriot side is winning huge
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because they needed to pull that level of desperation gambit.
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Now that's a pitch.
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Well, he's trying to give a hypothetical scenario where, okay, let's say you're right, we're
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still great.
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So Alex is trying to discuss how the idea that Musk could be a trick is evidence of
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a great awakening.
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And that leads us here to this unfortunate moment.
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I know I'm real and I just see a huge awakening happening.
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And that goes to your point, well, they're going to need to co-opt it.
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So how would they strike back?
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It'd be something like Musk.
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Yeah.
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But the thing is though, Alex, you're kind of missing my point.
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I'm not saying there's not a global awakening.
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When I started out in 1990, you couldn't fill a phone booth.
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David, I'm not missing what you said.
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I said there's a global awakening and you're saying Musk is trying to co-opt it.
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That's what I just said.
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Okay.
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Well, I misunderstood you then.
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But the thing is that I'm not saying there's not a global awakening.
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There is.
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But if you are this cult and you see this happening, you want to take it into a cult
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that's what I said.
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I said, are you saying that's what they see and they may not making it personal.
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And let's just have a discussion about about what's going on.
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So the question then is what happened when Elon Musk purchased Twitter?
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OK, because that was the change.
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That was the change.
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That's when so many people in the alternative media started eulogizing him instead of questioning
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him and exposing him as they would have done if he hadn't bought Twitter.
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These dudes do not like each other.
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It seems very clear there is a bit of animus between them.
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Also, I was surprised I didn't realize that eulogize is not a word that specifically means
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when someone's dead.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It just means saying a bunch of nice things about them.
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Yep.
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Didn't realize that.
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So I've learned something today.
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Thank you, David.
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I.
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You know, there is there is always something to learn from David Icke, something, something
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valuable or useful or real or safe, any number of things.
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So the two of them both basically just don't think that the other one understands what
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they're saying, but they kind of don't and kind of do.
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I mean, I think what's what's interesting is that Alex has a has a sense of like everything
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that you're all of your criticisms are right.
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That's why I feel bad.
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I want you to regardless of what I choose to do moving forward, I want you to take those
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back and make me feel better or at least make them not about me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Get about all these other people.
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Good boy.
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All these other people aren't strong anyway.
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You know, like.
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Yeah.
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They're not at the tip of the spear like I am.
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So you keep my mouth, my name out of your mouth.
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Talk shit on Russell Brand if you want.
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I don't give a shit.
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Totally.
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And David Icke is like, listen, I'm not talking about you.
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I mean, I'm talking about you, but right now I'm not talking about you.
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Now, admittedly, you're included in what I'm talking about right now.
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So technically speaking, I am talking about you right now.
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Quite a part of the problem, too.
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Maybe a large percentage of it.
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So let's get back to shitting on Elon Musk a little bit with some criticisms that David
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has.
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He bought Twitter and he puts out the Twitter files and he shows that Twitter's operation
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who could post and what could be posted was basically completely controlled by the deep
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state.
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And and if you said to people, was Twitter controlled by the deep state before Elon Musk,
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they'd say, yeah, all the Twitter files they showed it.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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So the deep state.
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Was in a position that was exactly what it wanted, then it was controlling the narrative,
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who could post and who couldn't, just like Facebook and YouTube and all these people.
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So then my question is, why did they sell it to must then, who is supposed to be this
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free speech absolutist?
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Why would they do that?
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And then you ask, OK, so what's happened as a result?
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And what's happened as a result is exactly what I'm talking about and challenging, which
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is people have stopped questioning all the ways that this man is serving the agenda of
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the cult and the World Economic Forum, et cetera.
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They've stopped doing it in the way they would have done had he not bought and run Twitter.
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So it's in moments like this that you can see why a lot of folks in the man, as I could
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put it, don't like David Icke.
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He's really inconvenient for purveyors of lazy narratives because he's an asshole who
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also has his own world of celebrity that he doesn't need you for.
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He's prone to poke holes in stories or shine a light on plot holes you were hoping to gloss
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over, at least when that poking and shining serves the furtherance of one of his conspiracies.
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But yeah, there's really no answer to this question in the real world.
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If the globalists had a perfect censorship and narrative building machine in Twitter
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and all the evidence of their meddling was right there in their files, and Elon Musk
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really was some kind of antagonist to their agenda, why would they sell it to him?
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They didn't have to sell it to him.
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They could have easily rejected his offer, but they didn't, which doesn't make sense
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if the conspiracy narratives are meant to be believed.
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To these folks, David Icke is annoying because he doesn't play ball.
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That doesn't mean he's right or any better than any of these people like Alex or Tucker,
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but he's more of a stickler for playing his own game.
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He's not going to dive into your game willy-nilly just because it seems like there's more
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attention to be grabbed out of it.
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Yeah, I mean, David Icke isn't just a team player.
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He's not just going to walk in and be like, oh, you want me to play short stuff?
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That's fine.
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I'll do it.
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He's almost not a team player.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's kind of interesting because for David Icke, I don't know how this criticism...
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Let me put it this way, right?
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So you're doing a David Icke to Alex.
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That makes perfect sense, right?
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But then you're David Icke.
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How does it make sense for your criticism to continue to make sense if they do sell
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to Elon Musk?
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Doesn't that also preclude your fucking lizard conspiracies and shit like that?
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Doesn't that also keep you from having the complete and total world economic forum takeover
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that includes the fucking cloud?
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Why wouldn't Jack and them want to also have their own part of the fucking cloud or whatever
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it is?
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Well, because they're essentially working with Musk.
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It's just a transition of ownership that gets heat off of Musk's other projects.
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That would be what it is.
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That's the idea.
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The cloud stuff and the satellites and the brain chips and all that stuff that Musk is
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doing is so important to the furtherance of the globalist's aims that they just transitioned
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ownership over in a pretend fight with people like Jack over the censorship and stuff in
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order to trick the push backers, as I believe he said, the people who are supposed to be
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the watchdogs on the wall and stuff.
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They get tricked into thinking that Elon Musk is on their team in order to like, don't look
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over here.
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Don't look over here.
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So that's kind of how I think it would work with your question.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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So his conspiracy, well, I mean, that's not necessarily his conspiracy so much as it is
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you creating a sensible version of it, right?
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Probably.
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But I think, I think there's elements in my explanation that are the things that David's
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saying.
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I mean, yeah, no.
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And yours is, yours is interesting in so far as if somebody like that is a plan that would
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sound like you could pull it off, but, but, but I'm also, to be clear, I'm not making
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it what I'm saying up paraphrasing of what David is expressing.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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That sounds more fun.
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That sounds like a fun and silly thing, but that's kind of the way, you know, conspiracies
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get you is they are more fun.
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You know, someone who's not fun.
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Brett Weinstein.
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Oh, why don't we, no, no.
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Why did you bring that name up?
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Because David, like shits on him a little bit and it's kind of fun.
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That's fun.
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You know, it's, it's, you got to take a little victories and the other thing that's happening
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in the world in the mainstream alternative media is that people are coming in since COVID
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and are now being promoted as the people we supposed to listen to, the people that get
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massive audiences when they are given interviews with Tucker Carlson, people like Brett Weinstein
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and Brett Weinstein's interviewed on top of the Carlson as if he's some kind of expert
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and activist on COVID and this is the man who bought every aspect of COVID virtually
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and there's a video of him during the fake pandemic describing how he wore a scarf around
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his neck so he could pull it up over his face every time he answered the door.
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And now we're being told that this guy is supposed to be the, the, the COVID activists
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that gets the massive numbers on Tucker Carlson.
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What about all the people that were calling it out in 2020 Tucker?
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Well, I was and you were, but David, let me just stop you there.
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And I actually wrote some notes on this and I forgot the house, but this is one of my
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points.
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Brett Weinstein, when he went on Tucker admitted he was wrong and said that it's all a lie.
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There's a global government takeover.
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We're being invaded and the borders are open and the new world order is real and there's
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a global government that we need to, I don't know if you watched the full interview.
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I bet Tucker wants to interview me.
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I mean, so, so my point is I know Tucker's for real.
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Tucker is really woken up now and is a great guy.
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I mean, he's not the guy Musk has this background.
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I get your points there, but just when you just sit there with a bra, I mean, we have
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to be, don't we have to be ready to have people that were wrong, wake up and join us.
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What's the problem with Brett Weinstein?
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Well, yeah, yeah, yes we do, but, but, but where, where are the people that, that called
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it out at the time?
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Where's their, um, promotion?
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Where's me?
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Yeah.
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You can kind of get a sense here how the, a fair amount of this comes down to feelings
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of being left out.
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David is a little upset that no one wants to hang out with him and he doesn't realize
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that a big part of it is because he does shit like this.
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He doesn't get in with the group and probably can't at this point in his career.
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I just don't think there's any way to make that, that those ends meet.
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I mean, he's a little bit the kid in class who was like, oh, you forgot to sign homework
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for the weekend.
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You're like, no, we don't like you.
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Less that and more kind of like a bully who doesn't realize he is and is like, why doesn't
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anyone want to hang out with me?
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But he's bullying dickheads.
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So it's right.
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It's death note.
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All that being said, it's always nice to hear someone shit on Brett Weinstein.
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That dude sucks.
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And it's a joke to take him serious on COVID issues, but I need to make some of the subtext
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text here.
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David Eich believes that there was no virus.
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He believes that COVID and pretty much I believe his position is that all viruses are fake.
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He's not calling Weinstein a charlatan because he's a charlatan.
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He's mad that Weinstein believes there was a real virus.
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Alex knows that, but is acting like that's not what David's position is because that
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would lead to another fight, which is really just compound things at this point, they're
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already deep enough water.
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Yeah.
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The last thing you want to say is, wait, are you saying that COVID didn't even happen?
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Then it's like, ah, fuck.
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We're going to have to relitigate COVID now.
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We're going to have to start from the beginning.
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There will only be lone survivors.
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Let's run it back.
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So we get back to the cloud business and there's one thing that I think is, you know, strange.
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We've heard, we've heard a bit already of David Eich talking about the plans of the
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vaccines and all this to make nanotech into your body, to put you into the cloud and all
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that.
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But Alex has a weird response here that if true is a big problem.
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And I say that that self-replicating technology to connect people to the cloud was in the
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fake vaccines.
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Those, those that were the, those kind of, of course, there are many saline, I'm sure
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as well, but those self-replicating systems that have been shown in the blood of people
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who've had the fake vaccine, that's what's supposed to connect us to the cloud and every
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single SpaceX satellite that goes up there and all the other companies doing it, but
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they're the leader, every new 5G tower and 6G, 7G tower to come is building this cloud
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to which we are supposed to be connected.
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This is the, this is the bottom line.
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This is what has to be stopped.
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This is what we have to refuse to cooperate with.
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But you know, if you get kind of focused on, on the left, right, kind of Biden, Trump stuff,
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I'm not saying people shouldn't look at that, of course they should, but it's the big picture
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that's being obscured by that focus of attention.
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All right, David, I've got a million questions and I'm not just in the, in the, in the place
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of debate, you said, I'm going to stop here.
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He said, don't make it personal.
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I'm not going to be an asshole and read these things.
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All I'm telling you is, is that I am not a minion of the system.
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I will use any avenue I can.
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And I see a big bandwagon waking up with the new world order.
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I can't help getting excited.
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I do smell the double-cross.
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I'm going to say this.
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When they first put me on X and a little bit after I watched it, when I did certain things
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and expose certain things like China and things, suddenly we weren't reaching 10 million people
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or 5 million people per post.
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We've been dialed back and we're seeing that now that the conservatives all come in and
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now I even talked to some of the biggest accounts.
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They're seeing it too.
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So I think you're going in the right direction here.
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Whoa.
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If what Alex is saying is true, he has no reason to maintain any of these positions
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that he has about Musk at all.
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He's masquerading around to some kind of free speech guy, condemning the past owners of
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Twitter for shadow banning people.
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But then Alex gets his reach turned down when he starts criticizing China.
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That's a major red flag.
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And if that were actually happening, Alex would be incensed.
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He would be so mad.
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But it's not happening.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if that happens, it's got to be a situation where it's like, oh, we're pot committed.
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Like the only reason that you would stay on is because it's like, we lose everything if
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we break ranks for a second.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it kind of makes David's argument a little bit.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Even though Alex's posts underperformed, I'm sure that's just the result of lack of interest
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in some of his chosen topics.
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I don't believe that what Alex is saying happened, and I'm pretty sure this is just Alex giving
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lip service to David because he knows that David is not going to stop.
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If what Alex is saying is true, or even if Alex just believes it to be true, he's got
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to stop supporting Musk or at least become very critical of him.
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Is the guy who shadow bans you for posting about China someone you can trust to brain
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chip people?
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Are you kidding?
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He's going to put fentanyl, the Chinese dragon in your head.
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You can't have that.
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You're gonna be walking around just seeing fentanyl all over the place.
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Yeah, but you're forgetting he's going to put fentanyl, the racist dragon in your head
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and not some sort of pro LGBTQ purple penguin in your head, which I think arguably is better
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for what?
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What?
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It's very strange for Alex to come out with this.
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I think he doesn't mean it at all.
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He's just trying to placate David Icke.
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That is basically-
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I agree.
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I totally agree.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, and now that he's sort of warmed up to David Icke and been like, all right,
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man, whatever.
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Musk sucks.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Let's just be friends or whatever.
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Let's move on.
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He loads up a hundred questions for him.
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Let's talk about who you from your research think Elon Musk is and how you say they want
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to connect you to AI.
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I agree.
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We know that.
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That's the plan.
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But I'm saying who do you think he is?
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Why was he chosen?
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And where do you think this is going?
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So many questions.
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The election, Russia, the wars, how are they going to- what new crisis is the global system
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going to use?
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A new virus?
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I mean, just kind of give us- we're 10 minutes to break, 9 minutes to break.
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I'm trying to give you the floor.
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Give us your prognosis or forecast.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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And I will.
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But just let me say this in response to what you've just said.
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You can use X to get information out knowing what it is without describing Elon Musk as
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the biggest maverick in the last 500 years, mate.
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He ain't the biggest maverick in the last 500 minutes.
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I mean, if you ask me about who he is, he's a front man.
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He's a salesman.
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You know, I had to bloody laugh when he said on the Joe Rogan, one of the Joe Rogan interviews,
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that he spent 80 percent of his time designing and engineering.
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Oh, at the same time that he runs all these companies, apparently, and tweets on Twitter
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X all the time.
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I mean, it's ridiculous.
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He's a front man.
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Other people in the background are running the show, but he's a very good salesman.
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He's selling the electric car, autonomous car thing.
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He's selling the microchip.
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He's saying, oh, look, you know, we're we've got more and more star link connections and
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satellites in the gray.
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Oh, yeah.
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Really?
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And without people realizing actually the prison is being built all around them.
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So he's a front man.
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And what we need to do is is take everything on its merits without falling for the hype.
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And that means that we will question these people, whether they run Twitter X or not.
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We question them.
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We look at what they do, not what they say.
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And therefore, we don't fall for the scam.
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Sorry, is Alex coming back or what?
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Why has he gone away?
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Someone's saying keep going, sir.
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Oh, well, I will then.
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Oh, he's listening to me.
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OK.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Little disrespectful.
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Gone away.
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It's it's a brilliant what Alex did.
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He's like, David, I loves to fucking talk nonstop.
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So I'm going to ask a bunch of questions just about scatter shot ideas.
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Let him go.
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I'm I'm going to get a drink.
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I'm getting out.
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It's something.
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Yep.
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And so he just left.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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That whole the moment he said, I've got 10 minutes to break.
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I'm going to give you a bunch of questions.
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It was like, can you talk straight for 10 minutes?
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I'm out.
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10 minutes because I'm pissed off at you and this is annoying.
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And you made me feel bad.
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And I asked you, I've gotten to the point where I'm saying that Elon Musk shadow banned
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me for posting on Twitter.
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I got to get a fucking drink.
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I agreed with you just to shut you up.
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And then I gave you all the opportunity in the world to change the subject and you were
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like one more thing.
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Well, guess what?
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Fuck you.
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I'm out.
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Yeah.
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So Alex does come back and there's there's a development that happens.
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And that is that Alex isn't going to take calls, uh, with David Ike.
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They're going to go on Twitter and open up a space, open up a Twitter space and take,
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take people from Twitter.
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It was back in the mid 1990s that David said, non human interdimensional creatures are sucking
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our souls and killing us and making this war with each other.
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Now when you talk about it, it's mainline news.
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Now Tucker Carlson says he believes it.
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People don't ball.
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So there's a big awakening.
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I want to go to some of these ex spaces, uh, comments or questions, quick ones for David
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Ike here.
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So yeah, we're going to, we're going to go into the Twitter space.
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Very exciting.
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Very exciting.
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And it could be anybody.
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Anybody could show up.
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Anybody could show up.
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Anybody at all.
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Yep.
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So we, uh, Alex wants to get to these, these, uh, these calls.
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So here is where we begin with the Twitter spaces.
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I'm gonna nail you down.
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So I want to go to some of these calls for you got to go some of these ex comments.
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I have no idea what they're going to say, who they are.
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I think the crew may know some of they're looking them up, but just in closing, when
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are you going to come on commercial free hour on your new book?
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Well, I'm still writing it.
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That's the point.
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That's why, why I said to, uh, to Daria, you know, I can't, couldn't come on in January
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because I was in a really deep, uh, um, uh, series as soon as you're ready, as soon as
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you're ready.
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If you're going to come, we want to do it back this spring, maybe it'll be the best
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time to do that.
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We'll talk to, we'll, we'll get you on soon while we've still got you.
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Let's pull up.
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X has only done this three or four times.
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And instead of phone calls, this is people on X, uh, who want to talk to you.
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And, um, and so I, I've got the crew in there, uh, connected to this.
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I know how it really works with Cruz doing it.
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Who do we go to first chase?
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Let's go to Brian Krasnostein.
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He joined and asked to speak.
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Go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you got to say.
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Brian.
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God damn it.
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Bed is back.
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God damn it.
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How did he get back in here?
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He just talks about how like, you know what, David, I think it's actually quite right.
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Quite likely that the world is a simulation.
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He decided to call in to be like, you know what, David, like, you may be more credible
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than people give you credit for.
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Oh my God.
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Great.
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Congratulations, Chris.
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So that's what happens when you spend too much time on Twitter.
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That's what happens when your life becomes Twitter.
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And then Twitter becomes a right wing space.
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It doesn't matter what you were, whatever you are is motivated to chase the thing that
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is that.
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And unfortunately it's justifying David Icke.
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So there's a very clear goal that Alex has, and that is that he wants Elon Musk to come
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on the Twitter space.
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It's very obvious.
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He wants to get, he's like, all right, I'm not having a real great time having this fight
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with David Icke.
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So let Elon Musk fight him.
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Let's just do that.
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So after Brian Krasenstien is on, Alex gets another caller and they'll let you decide
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what's going on here.
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We need to move to the next person.
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We got a lot of other great people.
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I want to talk to David.
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I hope he stays with us for the rest of the hour, but he's doing a lot right now.
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Right.
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Finishing his book.
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His amazing daughter went to the next level.
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So we really appreciate David being here with us today.
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One of my daughters, I've got three daughters I've probably known her for a year, but David's
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tough guy.
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We love David.
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Who's up next here, Chase.
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One of his kids died?
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Let's go with Adrian Dittman.
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Adrian, go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you have to say.
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Yeah.
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Um, I think it's really interesting that David Icke say, complains of, I don't know, being
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connected to the hive mind, even though he already is.
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I mean, you're right about speaking to thousands of people simultaneously, which is a selective
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hive mind.
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So is this, is this Elon Musk?
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Elon, just do a fucking sock puppet account because he's pathetic and sad.
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So we've got Adrian Dittman as the, uh, his it's called and yes, David Icke, one of his
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children just died and Alex is being very weird about it.
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That was very weird.
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Fucking, why did you bring that up?
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If not to be like, I'm going to throw David Icke off immediately.
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So I'm listening to this and I'm hearing this Adrian Dittman character and I think it sounds
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a lot like Elon Musk.
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That's Elon Musk.
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There's other parts of his delivery and his speech patterns that are not like Elon Musk.
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There are some distinctions and like particularly Elon generally has a really sedated, deliberate
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way of speaking.
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And this person kind of seems pretty amped up.
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There's a lot of like faster, more aggressive speech.
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And I thought that was like, no, it's a little weird, but it is not being Elon.
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He's being Dittman and Dittman talks.
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So I was dead set on not caring about this at all, but then I looked up Adrian Dittman's
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account on Twitter and I have no idea what's going on.
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So there's two things here that I struggled to put into their right place.
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The first part is that Adrian Dittman's Twitter account is full of posts, glorifying Elon
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Musk and all of his companies, which makes me think that it's Elon under an alias.
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However, famously last July, there was a Twitter space where Elon had a whole conversation
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with Adrian Dittman, who's the guy who sounds just like him.
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It's very confusing because it seems like a prank where Elon could be doing both voices,
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but it just doesn't seem like that's possible since they're both talking at the same time
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at multiple points during that conversation.
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I just don't know how they would fake that per se.
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This was even covered in media outlets like Yahoo, though they didn't do any like follow
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up journalism on the person himself.
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I mean, Elon Musk does have a brother, doesn't he?
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Probably.
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I don't know.
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I don't know about his life.
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That would make sense.
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That would make sense if it was a family member or something like that, because that would
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explain the accent.
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It would explain the similarity in tone and it would explain the differences at the same
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time.
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You're right.
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It could be.
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So that's one possible scenario, but I have two that I came up with and I think the most
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plausible one is that this is a different guy who sounds just like Elon Musk, who because
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he sounds a lot like Elon Musk has leaned into it and has made his Twitter presence
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very Musk-centric.
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That seems like Occam's Razor for me.
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I could be wrong and maybe I'm just not in on the joke, but it's hard for me to figure
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out how Elon could possibly be talking alive as two people talking over each other in that
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space.
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A sibling, maybe a Freaky Friday situation, maybe you could be onto something.
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The alternative though is that Elon is so addicted to tweeting that he has an entire
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second account that he uses to pretend to be someone else who really loves Elon Musk
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and all his companies, which seems believable, but also painfully sad.
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No, that's one of the most common things available.
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Do you not know that?
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Well, but for the person who owns the site, very pathetic.
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Sure.
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But I mean, for Kevin Durant, it's incredibly pathetic.
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Everybody knows about it and he still has like seven of them that talk about how fucking
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great he is.
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That is just what famous people do.
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I find that behavior a little bit unbecoming.
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It's pathetic and sad.
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Yeah.
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So I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure.
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You are on the side of, you think this is definitely Elon Musk?
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What do you think?
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I think it's definitely Elon Musk.
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I think if he had a conversation with somebody that was very much to make it look like this
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was not a sock puppet account, because this, that is the way he pronounces simultaneously
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and the way he leans into hive mind.
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That is either Elon Musk or somebody who spends so much time with Elon Musk, they can't help
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but sound like that.
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Could be an Elon Musk obsessive.
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You never know.
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It could be.
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Totally.
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But yeah, that's Elon Musk though.
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And the fact that he's calling into wine about somebody who's been mean to him, that makes
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perfect sense for Elon Musk too.
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So we'll see.
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We'll see how David follows things up here.
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But there's a big difference from what the gentleman has just said, that we're in a hive
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mind and all that stuff as we're speaking.
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But you know, there's a difference between having connections with people and communications
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with people and having the perceptions that we make of what we say and what we make of
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what people say.
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That's right.
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The system, it's going to show us the input it wants is the issue.
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Being given to us by a hive mind.
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You know, it was kind of funny how sci fi kind of later mirrors reality.
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There's probably not a coincidence either.
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And in Star Trek, they had the Borg and the Borg were kind of a kind of part technological
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kind of race.
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And what they did was infuse people with like nano probes to make them part of the Borg
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hive mind, as they called it.
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And those nano probes we now call smart dust, nano bots, nano technology, all these things.
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This is all building this this hive mind that I'm talking about.
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And like I say, fine and interaction is fine.
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We should have it.
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So this is kind of to David Icke's credit, I guess.
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And that is that he's not even engaging at all with the fact that this guy sounds exactly
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like Elon Musk.
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Yeah, I'll say that.
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He's just hearing the guy's point and then being like, nah, nah, nah, we're turning into
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the Borg.
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I mean, I don't like having an 80 year old man explain Star Trek to me.
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It's just too uncommon experience.
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It's just too late now.
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You can't do it anymore, especially not if you're describing what's going to happen in
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the real world.
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Well, I'm leaving that to the side.
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There's a message discipline that is notable on David Icke's part.
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So obviously there needs to be a little bit of a discussion about whether or not this
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is Elon Musk.
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So Alex, yeah, it comes up and it is denied.
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I forget the name of the person commenting, but sir, do you want to have a comeback to
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David Icke?
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Go ahead.
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Is he gone?
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Okay.
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I'm still here.
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Come back to that.
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Go ahead.
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Yeah, you're already connected to all of this.
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You think that everything is different or that we don't have a smart dust, so to speak.
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You don't need smart dust when you have a device that is capable of all the things that
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you've mentioned and you are already connected to the hive mind.
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What the hell are you communicating on right now?
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Who are you communicating with?
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All the people, their perceptions shared through a medium of speech.
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Like there is structurally no difference between having a bunch of nanobots running through
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your bloodstream, accomplishing the same thing when you're holding a device that is connected
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to this thing that is a field of information that is the internet.
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There's nothing wrong about it.
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There's nothing strange about it.
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It's just the way things are integrating stuff like this into ourselves biologically just
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removes the latency and decreases the latency for information.
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By the way, I think this is Elon Musk.
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Is this Elon Musk?
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It's really not.
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No, no.
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It's really not.
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I'm just weird.
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Don't worry about it.
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Well, you could be a dead ringer for him.
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Well, the Elon clone.
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What else do you want to say?
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Elon clone.
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Go ahead.
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There are theories.
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There are theories.
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Yeah.
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There are theories.
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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It's kind of stupid.
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Don't worry about it.
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Well, what else would you like to say, sir?
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So I'm not convinced a hundred percent.
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I have some skepticism around this.
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You've decided that it definitely is.
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I mean, listen, I know that you could go to a live show around 2008 to 2018 and see MF
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doom.
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And I don't know if it'd be doomed behind that mask.
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So if you want to have a conversation with yourself on the space that you own, maybe
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that's a lot easier to do than, uh, I don't know.
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I it's, it's, it sounds like him and it sounds like him in real life too.
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Like there's no way that I can read about how he's a workaholic with a nonstop, like
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constant stream of consciousness going, and then listen to a Joe Rogan interview where
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he goes slowly and not think that he's doing that deliberately.
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Right?
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Sure.
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Sure.
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But that, that injects your own expectations on it too, which you should be off about.
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So that's, that's what makes it quite difficult.
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I don't know.
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I'm not sold, uh, but Alex definitely is.
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He is sure that this is Elon Musk.
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We should surely be pursuing an understanding of what is this place?
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What are we doing here?
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Um, otherwise, you know, we just go through life being pawns of a game.
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We don't want to go to break and I want to ask the ex poster that sounds just like Elon
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Musk, a dead ringer.
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Please stay there if you can.
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We were on radio stations and we have to at least break twice an hour.
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We got to go to a three minute break.
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We're gonna come right back.
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I hope the caller stays there.
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It sounds just like Elon Musk, but I get the point of the Elon Musk sounding person.
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He's saying we don't use tools like the native Americans didn't have guns, so they lost.
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He's saying, why not use it?
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It's kind of what I'm getting, but we'll come right back and have the person that sounds
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just like Elon Musk, a little bit of an angry Elon Musk finish up what he wants to say.
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And then, and they'll get David Ike here.
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This is, I am in the twilight zone right now, cut David Ike and a guy that sounds just like
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Elon Musk.
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He's been on it with two and a half hours of Elon Musk before.
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We're going to figure this out.
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This is newsmaking.
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Stay with us.
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This is newsmaking.
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I don't think they figure it out at any point.
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Now that he wants it so bad.
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This guy does like consistently say, no, I am not Elon Musk, which is exactly what Elon
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Musk would do if you were in this situation.
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So it's kind of a undefinable piece of evidence.
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I can't tell if it goes one way or the other, but it seems, it seems like, okay, I would
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understand the argument for why you would do this.
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If you were Elon Musk, you want probably to not have your name on, I called in to argue
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with David Ike, you know, that's not necessarily the best thing for business, but he does all
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kinds of things that aren't best for business.
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You told advertisers to go fuck off at that press conference, you know, he doesn't really
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have that much of a PR sensitivity to himself.
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Why wouldn't he do this?
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He loves attention.
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This seems like something that he would do.
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He doesn't care about stockholders and like that kind of issue.
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This that's, there's no reason really, I think to hide behind a sock puppet.
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If you're him now, secondarily, Alex is basically, and literally saying this is Elon Musk.
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If you're Elon Musk and you're using the sock puppet account, that might be when you bail.
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You might not like, it's no longer useful for you, whatever reason you were hiding behind
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the sock puppet account, it's been destroyed.
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The illusion of it is, is destroyed.
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So why wouldn't you then just be like, all right, this, this prank is kind of over.
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I don't know.
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It doesn't make sense to me.
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Here's a, here's my, like, I mean, I could see, I can see it.
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It's not like, it's not like a South African accent is completely unheard of.
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You can find them, uh, you know, but ah, man, it's, if you want to seem like you're popular
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and you want to seem like people really want to defend you, not just you pedally, uh, arguing
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with anybody online.
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And if you are called out by anyone for being fake, you want it to be Alex Jones.
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But if you have a very specific voice, yeah, you can't call into something to pretend to
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be that sock puppet and have it actually have the impact that you're describing of, Hey,
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someone is standing up for me and defending me.
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It's very transparent.
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If that were what you were doing, it seems like the arguments for it actually being him
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fail in some ways.
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Although it's hard to also get past the point where it's like, well, it's believable that
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it could be him.
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Yeah.
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I think, I think it's gotta be, I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with family.
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I'm going to go with, it is somebody directly related to Elon Musk, if not Elon Musk himself.
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Okay.
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That's an interesting, uh, that's an interesting stance you're taking.
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I think, I don't know.
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I can't, I can't.
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What if it's one of his kids?
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How old are his kids?
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One of them's quite young.
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Um, I don't know how to pronounce any of their names.
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They're all, so Alex is very obsequious and treating this guy like he is Elon Musk and
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you know, if it is, then it kind of makes sense.
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But if this isn't Elon Musk, it's really comical.
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The way Alex is treating him, he's kissing this guy's ass.
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And at a certain point, David kind of gets sick of the games surrounding this and it's
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like, what are we doing here?
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If AI, for instance, gets connected to us, I don't think it's going to be the end of
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us.
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It's just going to help us evolve faster and better.
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You see, you can't just, you can't beat this thing.
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It's better than us.
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It is much better than us.
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It is not just better than us.
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It is all of us put together in one thing, simplified without the biological constraints
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that every other human brain has.
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It is actually quite a beautiful technology, but it is also risky.
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And I think the risk factor is something that should, that should be spoken of.
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But in a realistic sense, to the point that we don't stop this development.
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Please don't go, Adrian.
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Let's, let's get David Icke's response.
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David Icke, stay there.
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David.
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I mean, I mean, can we, can we just get this right?
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Is this Elon Musk or not?
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Nevermind the name.
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We say Elon Musk or what?
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Absolutely not.
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Nope.
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Absolutely not.
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I am definitely not Elon.
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100% not.
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Some of you, some of you told me in the break, oh, this is definitely Elon Musk, so that's
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the one that's all right now.
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Look, he needs plausible deniability.
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This is a well, okay, just like, let's just say it's Elon Musk, you got any questions
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for him?
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Okay.
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So like, this is nuts.
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I mean, if Elon Musk does need plausible deniability, it's pretty much out the window now that Alex
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has said that.
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So there is no plausible deniability.
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I'm still not totally convinced it's him.
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He sounds a lot like him, but there are differences enough that make me be like, yeah, it's possible.
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It's not.
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What is clear is that Alex 100% thinks it is.
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And that somewhat at Infowars, probably Chase Geyser, who's working the boards today, told
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David during the break that this is Elon Musk.
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That's not evidence that it is though, because they're wrong about a lot of stuff.
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But they also, we don't have evidence that it isn't.
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And so like this, is it, is it not, is a question that, you know, we have no access to and no
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way of proving one way or the other.
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I think this is yet another situation where Ike has cut to the quick in a way that lays
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bare the truth of the mam.
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Everybody's spending so much time reacting to one person's possibility that they are
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not at all engaging with reality.
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Or David's point.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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The, this pageant and this stuff, the way that Alex is kissing this guy's ass because
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he thinks that it's Elon Musk proves David's point almost entirely.
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100%.
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So there's an irony to this being how the interview ends up culminating.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it doesn't get more obvious, does it?
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No.
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So Alex at this point now is like, all right, this interview and this Twitter space has
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turned into, I'm going to moderate a discussion between Elon Musk and David Ike, whether or
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not I know for sure that this is Elon Musk.
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I understand.
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So listen, I'm going to have another question to Adrian, another question to David Ike.
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Let me throw that out at you.
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Tucker Carlson says he believes interdimensional entities are manipulating reality already
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through this simulation.
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We all basically know this is, I think we're all agreeing that's pretty much what we're
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in.
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We're not, we haven't figured it out yet.
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I think Adrian's saying we can use our own systems of AI to break through that and find
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out what's happening.
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Maybe I'm putting words in his mouth, but regardless having a debate about this and
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open discussion, I think is really healthy.
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But Adrian, what do you think about the idea that aliens aren't coming from a distant star
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system, but have actually always been here, like I've said, like Carlson said, and that
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there is a manipulation already of the reality.
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I mean, I haven't seen any actual definitive evidence of aliens.
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The only proof that we have is say really shoddy footage and potentially even altered
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stuff that later on, of course, you know, it's been exposed to be as such.
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But I mean, it's an interesting theory for sure.
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And one that does spare a considerable amount of logic, but still, I mean, I haven't seen
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any really convincing evidence for aliens.
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Well, that's not the answer Alex wanted.
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He wanted something about demons and shit.
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Yeah.
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Oh, well.
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Oh, well.
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Adrian didn't come through for him.
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Just fucking be Elon Musk, goddammit.
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So they talk about going to Mars and Adrian believes that they should go to Mars.
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And this, David Icke is just progressively getting more like, this is not serious.
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What is going on here?
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There are a lot of questions that need to be asked.
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We really need to go there and check out what exactly happened there.
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So regardless of that, I mean, sure, maybe, but I haven't seen any definitive evidence
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for aliens.
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All right.
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Well, that's a perfect Elon Musk answer.
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So it's either an amazing advanced A.I. of Elon Musk or it's Elon Musk, Adrian Dittman.
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I'd like to go by rogue AGI.
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Rogue AGI.
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OK, OK.
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David Icke, if you had a chance, and maybe Elon will listen to this later, and wanted
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to ask Elon a few questions instead of, I get you're on your points, but if you were
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talking to Elon Musk, what would you say to him?
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Well, if that was Elon Musk, this is this is this is ridiculous.
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This is the playground, for goodness sake.
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So what I was going to say is that what he's talking about is really low level stuff.
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He's talking about going to Mars.
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Mars is just in our reality, it's just another part of the bloody simulation.
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And I'm not saying that the aliens are coming from other planets.
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Columbus coming to America was just a simulation.
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Everything that happens in our reality is is is people consciousness operating within
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a simulation not realizes it is a simulation unless they are in the inner core of the cult
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and then they bloody will.
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So you got you got like a very normal reaction to this from David Icke, which is, man, if
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this is Elon Musk, this is some childish shit.
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This is nonsense.
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Now, back to my point.
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Yeah.
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I mean, at least the rogue AGI suggests that it's Elon Musk.
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I think only only Elon Musk would have the ego necessary to willingly call himself that
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like a fucking asshole.
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No, I don't.
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I don't think so.
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I think that people who are Musk fans and such might as well.
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Probably.
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I've gone over this and I see no definitive evidence either direction.
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I think that my my gut tells me that it's maybe not.
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Your gut says that it is or a family member who knows.
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I don't like it is what my gut says.
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But I think from a our show and the discussion of this, the most important thing is that
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Alex believes it to be for sure.
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And you see his behavior change entirely because of it.
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One thing that I think is really notable is that he's just letting this person who may
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or may not be Elon Musk do whatever he wants on the show.
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Are you familiar with the paper clip scenario?
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I am.
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I tell people.
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I totally, totally.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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It's very simple that you give an agent a set goal that says, hey, it's a benign agent
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is an agent that does not seek to destroy anything.
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But its goal is to turn things into paper clips to manufacture paper clips.
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And so eventually it realizes, oh, I could create a whole bunch of more paper clips.
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If I say it is the atoms that are inside of your body in such a way that it becomes in
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a paper clip and then it begins paper clipping the fucking universe at some point when it
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reaches critical mass.
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This is obviously bad because then it kills all of humanity in the pursuit of creating
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paper clips.
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He just said fuck on air.
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And Alex doesn't even correct him, doesn't stop him at all.
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It's totally fine because he thinks this is a musk.
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Hey, listen, when you're talking about the gray goo scenario, OK, you let people drop
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the F bomb wherever they want.
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Well, it doesn't matter if it's a fucking family show.
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Well, if it's somebody that you're so deeply invested in sucking up to, then, yeah, you
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don't have to all the standards of what you pretend to enforce on your show.
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All of that goes out the window and the behavior changing and the permissiveness that he has
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is glaring.
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And like I said, and like you said, it makes musks or I'm sorry, it makes David Icke's
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entire point.
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Yeah, it is.
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It is like the giddiness with which Alex treats Elon showing up, even if it's not really Elon.
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The fact that Elon did it means that Elon could.
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This could be Elon, which means I'm important enough for Elon to suddenly drop by.
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Right.
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Just like Alex's definition of winning the war against the globalist is someone said
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something nice about him on Rogan.
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It's all just his identity is wrapped up in this mam, as David Icke put it, and he's incapable
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of behaving in ways counter to it.
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So this I thought was pretty shocking because David Icke has been there for an hour and
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a half talking to Alex, being a maybe a little bit insulting, but also game guest.
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And Alex is going to give the closing word on this whole thing to guy who sounds like
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Elon Musk.
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Adrian, we're really glad you called in.
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Please don't hang up.
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I'm going to give David Icke a closing comment because the show only has eight minutes left.
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I'm going to give Adrian a closing comment and then we're going to go to the fourth hour
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of the guest hostess here.
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And it's my 50th birthday.
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Somebody's in Maine to give me a birthday cake.
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I love them, but it's whatever.
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We'll see if that happens.
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But the point is, is that David Icke, Adrian's still there.
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This has been quite the interview.
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It's going to get a lot of attention.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So we're going to give the last word to Adrian guy who might be Elon Musk.
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I'm just going to let you close out my show because maybe you could be a human being.
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So also, also here's the other thing.
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Here's the other thing.
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Yeah.
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Maybe you could also be an AI version of Elon Musk who, and frankly, that's also fine.
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Sure.
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If it's good enough, then that's also fine.
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If I can optically present this as Elon being there, then that's all that really matters
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for my purposes.
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You are Elon Musk.
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Sure.
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So from this, he's like, David, you get the last comment and then we'll go to the
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Adrian to do their actual last comment and he cuts David off to throw it to Adrian.
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No longer is it necessary to manipulate information to manipulate perception because your perceptions
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will come direct and you know, this is where it's going.
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David, we understand the amazing, amazing hour and 45 minutes with you when your book
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comes out in a few months, I look forward to speaking to you, David dot com, come out
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in a few months, David.
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He's still writing it.
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All right, mate.
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Thank you very much.
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Been great.
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That was power.
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All the best.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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Or Adrian.
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It's, it's, it's, it's not Elon.
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It's just somebody that sounds just like him and it sounds just as smart as him.
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So I'm going to shut up for Adrian here in the six minutes we have left and just about
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the whole world, the Putin interview, war, the economy, just, we just want to hear what
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Adrian sounds like a person.
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Can you give me a second?
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Yes, Adrian.
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You're you're, you've got the floor to talk about just in general, your view on the world.
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You can not take your time, man.
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I just hang out.
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You take the last bit of my show.
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It's the, the obsequiousness, the bending over backwards to accommodate the constantly
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being like, please don't hang up, please don't hang up.
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All of this is, it's just a staggering demonstration of exactly the criticism that David Ike is
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making.
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Here's what I like about this.
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Here's my favorite part about this.
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Every like prank person should listen to this and go like, Oh, we don't need to exist.
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And what we do is stupid and easy.
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It's so easy.
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All you have to do is kind of sound like the guy and Alex Jones will give you his show.
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Well Alex got tricked by a AI Louis CK not too long ago.
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Totally, but I'm not talking about that.
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You don't even need that.
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That's too much effort.
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You could just sound a little bit like Louis CK.
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Yeah, yeah, probably.
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So Adrian does not actually get the last word on the show because eventually Mike Hanson,
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Alex's old producer and video camera guy comes in to give him a cake and listen to any of
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that.
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Oh, but it's his 50th birthday.
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It's not technically, it's a couple of days after, but, um, Alex has a little bit of a
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wrap up here.
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And like I said, I mean, I just keep coming back to this point, but like he is proving
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David's case.
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All right, look, I'm completely blown away right now.
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The Tucker Carlson interview, you got David Icahn with us.
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I love David.
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You got Elon Musk calling in on Elon Musk, but he can have plausible viability.
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It's just, it's just beautiful.
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It turns out he called in last week, I guess our last X was, we appreciate that.
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And uh, I talked to Joe Rogan a lot, you know, Joe Rogan came out and basically endorsed
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the show and said that I'm the cutting edge.
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I'm just talking about me, just, we want to have a real discussion about this.
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You can't be afraid of any of this stuff.
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We have to openly discuss what's going on here.
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And I think Elon is a force for good now overall, and you can't lie.
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Jesus said, you judge a tree by its fruits.
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He's doing just pure, pure gold right now.
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And you know, I think David gets scared by that.
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I understand he saw this 30 years ago.
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We respect him.
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Uh, we're not saying he's wrong about this, but there's some stuff going on here and it's
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above my pay grade, but it's above all of our pay grades.
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I'm sorry, but here's the thing.
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Alex is saying that it's you judge tree by its fruits and all this bullshit.
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But earlier in this episode, he has listed off negative fruits.
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He had to admit when David brought it up, that Elon Musk is pushing for carbon taxes.
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That's a big deal.
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That's a big piece of the globalist agenda.
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There's the self-driving cars.
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This is something that Alex had to give up on the, uh, the, the whole question of him
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shadow banning Alex for talking about China.
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These are the negative fruits that David's entire point, well, not his entire point,
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but the part that intersects with reality, the part of his criticism that intersects
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with reality is that these people, because of their obsession with Elon Musk, do not
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give any legitimate pushback or criticism of him where they would if he was somebody
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else.
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And Alex has just essentially demonstrated that he's made points in this episode that
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are the negative fruits that are the things that you should judge Elon Musk by.
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And then in service of defending him, he says, you judge a tree by its fruits and Elon Musk
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was great.
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No, what are you doing?
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Don't make me defend David Ike.
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What the fuck is wrong with you?
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I mean, I don't know what's happening here.
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I don't know what's happening if, I mean, here's what, here's what bums me out over
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the past two episodes.
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If that was Elon Musk, then I would say that in the past two episodes, two of the most
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powerful individual human beings ever to live have proven themselves to be fucking idiots
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that are pathetic, whiny, scared, and have far too much power.
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Yeah.
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There's a little bit of a clowniness to what their behavior is engaged in.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think the fact that what they're doing is so uninteresting to people because of its
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off-puttingness, because of its petulance, its whininess, it's like personal grudginess,
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its bitterness, to find out that that's the type of shit, to find out that a man with
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as much money and power as Elon Musk is calling in, period, is fucking scary.
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It is if it is him.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I mean, like I said, that's a question that maybe will be made clear at some point
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down the line, but we don't have access to knowing if it is him or not.
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What is important is I think within this episode, you have a really clear narrative almost,
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but not a narrative in terms of like a storyline of the world.
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There's a storyline, a plot to this episode that you have Alex shrugging off the Putin
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interview because it's not what he wanted it to be, and there's not enough fertile ground
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for him to use it as a garden.
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So he just kind of puts that to the side, replaces it with getting into a fight with
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David Icke.
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David Icke has these criticisms about the obsession with Elon Musk.
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Alex interviews him impotently and incompetently to the point where he ends up saying stuff
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that very much agrees with David Icke, even unsolicitedly saying that Elon has been shadow
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banning him on Twitter since he came back.
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Then Elon Musk shows up and Alex proves all of David Icke's points.
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It's so interesting, like from a, like it's a bottle episode almost.
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It is.
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It is.
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And here's the other thing that I think is so crazy about it is it is another reason
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why you don't need to bother interviewing or going on Infowars.
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Even if Alex is predisposed to listen to your criticisms, even if you make them in such
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a way that Alex himself agrees with them in five minutes, he's going to go back to giving
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Elon Musk a blowjob.
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Whatever he agrees to is not going to stick as soon as it's not useful for him.
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It is useful for him to give lip service to David Icke's arguments in order to wiggle
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out of the situation that he's in that is very uncomfortable with David not shutting
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up about these criticisms of him that he has no rebuttal to, but eventually David's going
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to be gone.
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Or there will be someone who's more important, a guy I think is Elon Musk and that will just
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change everything.
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And then I'll get ice cream because at the end of all of this, let's remember, the problem
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all across the board was the Putin interview wasn't fun.
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Hanging out with David Icke wasn't fun.
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Things didn't get fun until the super rich guy maybe sounded like he was there.
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And then we're going to go eat ice cream.
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Proves David Icke's complaint.
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Proves David Icke's complaint 100%.
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So what a bizarre episode, a bunch of nonsense.
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But hey, I hope you feel better.
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I'm working on it.
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Also I think I'm 50-50 on if we're going to have a Friday episode.
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For spoilers, I have to get a root canal on Thursday.
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We usually record on Thursday, so it may not be feasible.
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So if it is, hey, we have about two, three hour episodes this week, so it's not too bad.
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It can't be that bad.
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So we'll see.
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Maybe there will be something on Friday, maybe not, but if not, we'll be back when the time
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comes.
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Monday.
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Indeed.
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But we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Blue Sky.
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We are on Blue Sky as Knowledge Fight.
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And in the description of this episode, there will be the link to all the ticket links for
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the shows.
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So if you'd like that, there they are.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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There's only so many bits you can do with making noises with your mouth.
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Scat is tough.
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Yeah.
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Sucks.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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