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Andy.
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Andy and Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex
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just.
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Oh indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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Oh look.
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We gotta cut the bullshit because.
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No bullshit.
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Well look.
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We don't have time.
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Today we had a long way to go and a short time to get there.
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Let's roll.
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They were gonna do what they say can't be done so I have no time to fuck around on this
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and go with a long bright spot talking about how much I love traitors.
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Listen.
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Okay.
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It's Thursday.
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Right.
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I woke up this morning.
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Yeah.
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There's a new Hey Randy.
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And a new episode of the Doughboys with Tim Baltz on it.
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It's a Tim Baltz day.
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That's great.
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Very exciting.
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That's a great day.
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One of the funniest dudes.
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Oh Tim Baltz is on too?
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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I listened to it as I was falling asleep last night so I was actually lying that I
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said I woke up and they were both there.
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Ahh.
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It's fine.
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But I was laughing as I fell asleep.
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That's great.
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Guy is damn hilarious.
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That is fantastic.
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Yeah.
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He is very funny.
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Anyway what's your bright spot?
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It's a song built then burnt hurrah hurrah by the Silver Mount Zion Orchestra and Try
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La La Band.
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Ooh.
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Ooh.
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Ooh.
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I thought that name was going to end a couple times.
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The Silver Mount Zion Orchestra and Try La La Band.
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That's a good name.
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Or I can't remember.
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It's a long name and it gets longer on different albums.
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It should be V with two E's.
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It is.
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It is?
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It is.
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Yeah.
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They're way ahead of you.
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Yeah.
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It's a song, it's from like 20 years ago.
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But I just recently listened to it again and I can't stop because there's a poem that's
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read by, so to give you an idea of the Silver Mount Zion, imagine if music was kind of unlistenable
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but for people who really like music.
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Oh that's what I was imagining.
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Yep.
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It's about that.
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Yeah the name gave it away.
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The Silver Mount Zion Try La La Band Orchestra?
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Yeah.
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No?
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Okay.
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Alright.
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Fine.
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And like the only way to make that more pretentious is like if they added and general store at
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the end or something like that.
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They're from Canada and half of them are in God Speed You Black Emperor too.
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It's great.
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It's fantastic.
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But yeah it's this poem that is read by a kid and I swear to you it is one of the most
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inspiring brilliant poems and the reading of it is astonishing.
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Like I could teach that so much and it's just so beautiful and it is like we'll make you
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want to run through a brick wall for freedom and shit.
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You know it is like a truly inspiring like fucking brothers and sisters you know it's
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fucking great.
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That's great.
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Yeah so.
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That does sound good even though I am averse to just that the name gave me a little.
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Sure sure.
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Oh no I wouldn't listen to it for the music.
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You have to.
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But for the poem.
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For the poem 100%.
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100%.
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I hate to say you know because it sounds a little uncultured and shit of me but for
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the longest time I had like a real aversion to believing that there was really much even
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to like spoken word poems.
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Sure sure sure.
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Stuff but in you know not the last few years but as I've gotten older I've got to really
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like realize how much of like a skill that is and how much artistry there is to to that
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performance style.
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Yeah.
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And I'm still I'm still a little uncultured I'm still not.
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Are you telling me that you're not reading Rilke in the original German?
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I'm not.
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I don't dare you my friend.
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No.
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The sound is better it's all about enunciation.
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Yeah it does lose something without the chrz and the big S that looks like a B.
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I mean honestly for all the jokes that people do make about German as a language Rilke does
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make it actually very beautiful.
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It's gorgeous yeah.
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That's a poet she does.
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Yeah he's real good.
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He's real good.
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So Jordan today we have an episode to go over and like I said no time for.
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No time.
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No time.
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No frills.
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No time for love Dr. Jones.
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He's a mess.
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Thank God he's having a renaissance.
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So we can make those.
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Indiana Jones?
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No.
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K. Who are you?
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Cotton.
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Oh yeah yeah.
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Yeah he's having a renaissance.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Still feels weird.
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But I mean the.
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The short round?
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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Yep.
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So before we get down to business let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh that's a great idea.
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So first and this podcast is brought to you by John Birch Society Genius Grant.
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May the invisible hand tilt the board ever in your favor.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next.
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Ronnie with an I. I blame you for this.
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Thank you.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Next Tim the Enchanter.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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That's a good class.
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Yeah.
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Next my dog Copernicus renounced representation two.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And shoutout to all the Nick Cave fans listening to this.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Big ups.
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Red Right Hand and such.
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Uh huh.
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Uh, we had Technocrat in the mix Jordan.
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Ooh.
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So thank you so much to the not so dulcet tones of Alex Jones makes my bones feel heavier
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than stones.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a Technocrat.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you very much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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So Jordan.
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Should have read that, uh, in the original German.
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Yeah, probably.
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It would have.
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Rhymes, rhymes pretty good.
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Yeah.
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I intended to, uh, sort of pause a little bit in the middle and then the rhymes just
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kept coming.
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They just kept going.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Almost ran out of breath.
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Couldn't stop.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to do and I will be upfront with everybody from
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the jump.
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It's going to be a cliffhanger at the end.
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This is part one of two.
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Part one of two.
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The next part will come out on Monday.
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We'll finish this all up, but there was just no fucking way this was going to all end up
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being one episode.
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It's too much.
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It's a mess.
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Holy shit.
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God.
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Oh, sucks.
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So the backstory here is that, um, a little bit before, maybe on the fourth or so of January
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came to my attention that Alex was engaging in a debate on January 6th about whether or
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not January 6th was a manufactured event, a false flag, if you will.
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One six on one six.
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Exactly.
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Big celebration of the third anniversary, a murderer's row of participants in it, which
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we'll get through as they get introduced to the proceedings.
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But I saw this and I was like, first of all, I don't want to watch this.
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No.
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Second of all, I don't think we're going to cover this because it looked like some bullshit
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and I just said, I said, skip this.
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Not good.
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Got too many requests from people to cover it.
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A lot of folks saying, I really want you guys to filter this for me.
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That kind of thing.
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So I made the fucking accident of watching it and, uh, and then you couldn't stop yourself.
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Yes.
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Ah, God damn it, dad.
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As I watched it, I realized like, ah, there is some, there's stuff to talk about here.
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There's content and then it just sort of cascaded to the point where I texted you and I said,
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this is going to be another fucking documentary.
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It's a three and a half hour long non debate debate.
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Um, three and a half hours.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yep.
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And so today's episode will cover, I don't know, maybe about the first hour and a half.
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Sure.
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We'll wrap it up on Monday.
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Okay.
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Oh man.
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Here we go.
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Get ready.
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All right.
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So what are the main players before I can tell you all the lineup.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Give me the lineup as they get, uh, introduced on the side of believing that January 6th
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was a false flag.
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Yes.
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So you're starting Chicago bulls, Chicago bulls.
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We have Luke Longley.
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Oh God.
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Oh, BJ Armstrong.
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Oh, that was, that was the 91 team.
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Oh, sorry.
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Come on.
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Come on.
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96 was Rodman.
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And the, okay.
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I was a Knicks fan.
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I don't know why either.
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I liked, uh, Anthony Mason stuff shaved into his head.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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John Starks.
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I was a big John Starks guy.
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Yeah.
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You do love it when people get punched in the dick.
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I don't know if that was why Starks is a guy who punches people.
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I remember it was so validating when I was watching the Chris Gethard show and he had
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John Starks on.
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Yeah.
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He was talking about how much he loved John Starks and I was like, I feel the same.
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It was weird.
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Um, so the starting lineup on that side, we have Alex Jones, Darren Beatty, the guy who
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publishes revolver news, which is that Drudge knockoff and Glenn Greenwald.
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Okay.
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So that's on that side.
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Right.
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You have the Krasnostein brothers.
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So that's two of them.
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One of them, I think doesn't talk much at all.
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And I fell into the habit of calling them bed as a collective name because it's Brian
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and Ed.
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And I don't know which one is talking often, so they're just going to be called bed.
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Are they twins?
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Mm, I don't know.
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I don't think so.
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You don't think so.
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I think one is older.
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They're close enough in age.
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They're Irish twins.
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They're of similar age.
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Gotcha.
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And then destiny, the streamer destiny is the other person who is on the January 6th
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actually happened.
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So, um, and then we have a moderator who does not do his job.
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And so that's the lineup.
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These are the voices that you're going to hear and the people who are going to express
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varying degrees of bad, uh, bad ideas, bad stuff.
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I will, I will say that they, I hate to say this and it's going to tilt my hand a little
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bit, I was impressed by the Krasnosteins.
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All right.
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I think they're terrible and I have no use for them.
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All right.
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All right.
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I'm actually, you know what?
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I'm going to keep an open mind.
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I'm fine with that.
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If you, if you have come around on thinking that you can be impressed by what amounts
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to a vacuous void of, uh, let me be clear, let me be clear.
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My expectations were in the toilet.
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That's what I was thinking.
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So you reached like the top of the bowl, still in the toilet, not a lot of people make it
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out of the toilet.
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Right.
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That's just fair.
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And that's where the debate starts with the moderator coming in.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the second zero hedge debate.
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It is an honor and a privilege to be asked to moderate this debate.
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I'm Ian Crossland.
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I'm going to be moderating tonight and the debate tonight is going to be about January
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6th, 2021.
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Some things happened on that day and we're going to be talking about them.
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Or did they?
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We have an incredible panel of human beings that I'm going to be introducing shortly.
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Before I do, I want to talk a little bit about Zero Hedge who's putting on the debate.
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Zero Hedge was a company founded in 2009.
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It's a libertarian, fiercely independent and counterculture news organization.
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Yeah.
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So Zero Hedge isn't a fiercely independent and counterculture news organization.
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It's an extreme right-wing conspiracy laden shithole with an adolescent understanding
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of being iconoclastic or transgressive.
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Their level of being counterculture is their high school senior ass obsession with Tyler
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Durden, who's the avatar of their site.
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That's who these guys are.
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I remember reading one of those being like, that's probably not the guy who wrote that.
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But they're all by the -
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Yeah, it's the anonymous -
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Right, right, right.
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I got you.
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I got you.
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The person who ran the site went anonymously writing under that pen name of Tyler Durden
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for years until it came out in 2016 that it was actually a man named Daniel Evandijiski,
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who is actually a former securities trader who got in trouble and banned from that field
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in 2008 for insider trading.
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Kind of ironic that this scammy financial market guy was walking around pretending to
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be Tyler Durden, a fictional character whose primary ideology is rejection of money and
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materialism.
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Yeah.
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And maybe they didn't really understand Fight Club and just thought Brad Pitt looked
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really cool in that movie and they wanted to look cool.
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And he did look pretty cool.
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He does.
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And that's why their avatar is him with his shirt on.
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Yeah, man.
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God, he's so ripped.
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Looks cool smoking a cigarette.
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Fucking hell, yeah.
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So in addition to this being put on by Zero Hedge and held at Infowars Studios - I didn't
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tell you that.
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It's in Alex's studio - this debate is also being moderated by one of Tim Pool's
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least competent co-hosts, Ian Crossland.
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That shouldn't even be a thing.
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You shouldn't have more than one co-hosts.
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Sometimes people aren't available, so they're sort of a little bit of a rotating weirdo
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crew.
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Brutal.
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I've not watched a ton of Tim Pool's episodes, but in every one I do, I go in expecting to
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hate Luke Krodowski the most, and then inevitably Tim will swing through and lose the crown
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to Ian.
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Ian will just outdo him.
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He's an amazing blend of hostile, stupid, and kooky that never fails to disappoint.
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Even Tim's audience doesn't really seem to like Ian that much, if their Reddit is anything
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to go by.
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Quote, they keep him around as a reminder of how dumb a percentage of the population
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is.
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Quote, he's nothing but Tim's punching bag.
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Quote, he's there so Tim can disagree and make Tim look smart.
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Many people even suggest that the only reason that Tim has Ian around is because people
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don't like him so much, and that outrage is a constant source of negative attention,
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and in their business, all attention is good attention.
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Tim Pool is operating under the Elvis form of entourage building.
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Maybe.
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Okay.
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That makes sense.
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Some people have speculated.
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Yeah, no, I'm understanding this, yeah.
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If I had to bet, it's a mixture of this business calculation of he brings in negative attention
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and that's great.
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Sure.
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Mixed with the fact that sitting next to Ian makes Tim look smart, with a little bit of
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I'm sure Ian works for cheap thrown in for flavor.
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Right, right, right.
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Ian's a really interesting cat, though.
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For instance, who can forget this classic Ian Crossland moment?
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But who knows at the end of the day?
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What do you think, Ian?
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Well, I'm glad Alex.
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You're more of an empath and intuitive person.
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I was thinking about this as like the long term, like where is this along the path of
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humanity when we look back in a thousand years?
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Like what was happening right now?
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What will they remember it happening?
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I think what's happening is crazy as it is, Kanye's waking up a bunch of Jewish people
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and pointing them to God.
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Like last night on that Gavin McInnes interview, I'll explain it, Gavin was like, I don't know
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about that one, Ian.
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But Gavin's like, because Nick was saying, oh, there's a cabal or they were saying there's
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a cabal of people that are preventing Kanye from getting to another echelon of wealth
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or whatever.
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There's a cabal.
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And Kanye's like, it's the Jewish people.
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And Gavin was like, I don't think they're Jewish.
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If you don't believe in God, you're not Jewish.
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And it's something I said last week, too.
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So, Gavin, if you're listening, hell yeah, dude.
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Nice one.
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And it's true.
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And I think-
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No, no, no, no.
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That's not true.
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Let me finish, please.
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I understand.
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But I want to like, if you make a point, just explain, if you make like 12 points in a row,
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we can't address all of them.
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We can't address the Gish Gallop.
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So you said a few things right now that I think need to be addressed.
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One, you can be ethnically Jewish and not religious.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think you need a different word for that.
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Okay.
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Well, that's, that's, that's an important thing to make, to want to, to, to, to explain.
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It's like saying the word means two different things.
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It's nonsense.
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The word means something.
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What does the word mean?
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What does Jewish mean?
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Okay.
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Let's define it and move on.
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You don't pay me two definitions.
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You can say religiously or you can say ethnically then, right?
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Well, I'm talking about, I'm just talking about the word.
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What does the word mean?
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Let's be specific.
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The word means that you're Jewish.
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Meaning what?
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That you're a Jew, meaning what?
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That you believe in God.
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That's the tenet of Judaism.
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That's like the tenet.
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I'm pretty sure we have people here who are ethnically Jewish.
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Their parents were like, if your great great grandparents were Jewish, then that doesn't
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mean that you are.
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You got to believe in it.
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It's a process.
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It's like an understanding.
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This is my thoughts are that what's going to happen is people are realizing like if
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you're fallen, if you're a fallen Jew, if you've like no longer believe in this and
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you're just this atheist taking advantage of people, you're going to realize that God
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is great.
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It's like it's there for all of us.
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We're all in this together.
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And I think that what's happening is there's going to be a revelation within Judaism and
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probably all the major religions on earth that there's going to be some sort of transformation
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where people come back to the faith and Kanya will be looked at as someone that saved the
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Jews.
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A reformation.
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Yeah.
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I just have to say, Ian.
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Because he returned them to God.
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I think this may be one of the most insane things I've ever heard you say.
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Sure, man.
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You know, people, dude, people, let me just, they're often told they're crazy when they're
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talking about stuff like this in the present.
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Sure, sure.
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Let me just clarify a few things.
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So, yeah, Tim sure doesn't seem like the lunatic in that room.
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The guy saying that, yay, after he went on that love fest for Hitler, that he had saved
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the Jews.
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You know what I find fascinating about that is there's the gag on 30 Rock, which is just
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so fucking funny, the homonym show, which is just him, which is, what's his face?
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Just being like, all right, the word is scent.
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And the guy goes, I don't know, is the smell?
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No, it's the other one.
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You know, just the over and over and over again, here's the option, it's the other one.
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And that's the bit, is that it's always going to be the other one and you can never notice
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it.
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And there is something fascinating in that, in that it is a joke and also there's a deeper
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truth that is being expressed by Ian through that, which is that language is fucking stupid.
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It is sometimes a barrier to communicating with people who don't understand you.
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That is true.
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That is true.
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And that is fascinating.
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And with people who refuse to engage.
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Exactly.
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It is fascinating because there is that little bit of like, no, it's the other one.
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It doesn't matter what you say.
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You are trying to understand and relate.
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No, it's the other one.
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Right.
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And instead of engaging, is imposing their own dictates on what language means and what
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... Fine, show me what you think.
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No, I can't do it.
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It's the other one.
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Forever.
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It's always going to be the other one.
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But even without that confusion, this is pretty fucked up.
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Yeah, yeah, no.
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Pretty out of line.
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I'm just trying to bring that into something that made sense.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, that's the guy they chose to moderate this very legitimate and respectable debate.
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This is a house full of clowns.
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That's the moderator.
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That's the moderator.
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The guy who moderates the debate.
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Yeah.
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And that is a bold choice.
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It's a choice.
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It is a choice.
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Yeah.
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So we get the panel getting introduced here.
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It begins with the twins who aren't twins.
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They're not twins.
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We're going to jump into it.
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I want to introduce our panel of incredible people, as I said earlier, and I'm going to
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start from the end and give you guys a chance to introduce yourselves.
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We have Ed Krasenstein.
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Yeah, how's it going?
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I'm Ed Krasenstein.
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You know me on X at Ed Krasen, also the twin brother of Brian.
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They're twins.
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Ah, gotcha.
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They're not Krasenstein.
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Not Krasenstein.
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Well, it can actually be either.
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You can do Krasenstein or Krasenstein.
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You've already lost this debate, sir.
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It's Frankenstein, not Stein.
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Not Frankenstein.
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That was Alex Jones, if you didn't know.
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We also have Brian Krasenstein.
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Hey, Ian.
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It's great to be here.
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I'm Brian Krasenstein, known as Krasenstein on X.
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So amazing how Alex Gandy even handles shutting up for a second.
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And why would he?
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They're in his house.
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He's the goddamn alpha here.
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Yeah, I mean, come on.
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Shut up.
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On the one side that thinks January 6th was not a false flag are the Krasenstein brothers,
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two dudes who pretty much everyone further to the left of Joe Manchin thinks are complete
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tools.
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I will admit right out of the gate that I don't know all that much about them, mostly
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because I've never been interested.
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The second they came into my awareness, it was really transparent how much of their existence
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on social media was predicated on farming engagement, and so I just tuned it all out.
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They came to prominence as Trump reply guys, which I always thought was a pretty sad kind
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of existence.
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It definitely turned out to be a shortcut for mediocre people to amass large audiences.
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We've seen a ton of people who got a lot of engagement out of that, but the futility of
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it just bums me out.
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Yeah, a lot of people really don't talk about that cottage industry of people who became
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famous just by yelling at the president.
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Weird reply guys.
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On Twitter.
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Yeah.
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Apparently in 2018 they put out a parody book about Trump called How the People Trumped
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Ronald Blump.
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Boo!
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Boo, get off the stage!
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These two are here because they're the type of people who are presumably on the left who
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would say yes to an invitation like this.
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Most serious people would never get the invitation because this isn't a serious debate, but pretty
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much anyone who did would be able to see this for what it is, a desperate media spectacle
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meant to push the narrative that January 6th was a false flag.
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If you're someone on the left that Zero Hedge and Alex Jones are inviting to be on this
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debate, you either have a large audience that they view as swayable, or you pose literally
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no threat to them pushing their narrative.
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The Krasensteins are in that latter group.
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Alex knows these two wet noodles aren't shit and he can just run all over them.
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I mean, listen to the, before you even begin with the debate with Alex Jones, you should
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listen to your own voice and go, if I am debating Alex Jones, imagine I'm Alex.
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Ah!
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Right.
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Now let me listen to my voice.
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Okay, I should quit.
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It's not even in tone of voice, it is in delivery, it's in assertiveness, there's like, it's
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just everything.
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It's just ready to be run over.
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And there is nothing wrong or like, false to be brought about that, that is just a skillset
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that is not for debates.
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It's just not for it.
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Counterpoint, it is in a well-moderated debate.
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So here we round out the January 6th was real team.
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Next to Brian we have Steven Bonnell, known as Destiny.
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What's happening man?
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Hey, what's up?
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I'm coming on YouTube at Destiny, my real life name is Steven, and I scream and shout
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at people on the internet for a living.
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So here we have Destiny, noted live streamer and guy who argues a lot.
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Sure.
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I struggle with how to define Destiny because I've watched a lot of his content over the
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years and a lot of it is really all over the place.
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You know how I define it?
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How?
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Inevitable.
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Yes.
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I've just kind of seen him as a guy who accidentally backed himself into a role that doesn't quite
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work for him, and it ends up coming out in his product.
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Destiny began as a very successful and talented professional gamer who had some libertarian
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leanings and a penchant for real heated language while he was gaming.
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It's the kind of standard stuff you expect to see in that kind of arena, a lot of R and
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F slurs, maybe not consciously rooted in hate, but still not good.
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Sure.
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Over time as Destiny streamed, he found that he liked to have conversations with people
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while he was playing games, which evolved into him having a debate with a guy named
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JonTron in 2017.
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This debate resulted in JonTron coming off pretty racist and xenophobic, and with Destiny
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being the one arguing against him and shutting that stuff down, and that was a big deal because
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JonTron was a big YouTube figure in his own right and the host of the show Game Grumps,
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so this blew the fuck up.
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Destiny had found a niche and he got into a groove where he started doing debates with
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racists and white nationalists, which is arguably the first place that Nick Fuentes got any
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real traction outside of overtly white nationalist media.
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He debated with folks like literal Nazi Eric Stryker, a ton of weirdo racist grifters who
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came out of the woodwork after the 2016 election, and Lauren Southern, who Destiny would go
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on to become really good friends with.
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It really worked, and I'll be the first to admit that some of those debates are pretty
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interesting.
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Most of the folks that Destiny was talking to were not folks that anyone else wanted
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to talk to, so you were able to actually hear them articulate their positions, and because
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their positions generally weren't very well supported, it was cathartic, because you would
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be able to see Destiny destroy these people and just cut through the nonsense they were
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saying.
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That's nice.
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At that time, there was a panic about what to do about this new alt-right.
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The media had figured out that there were all these shows on YouTube that anybody can
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access that were talking about things like exterminating the Jews or how white people
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were genetically superior to other races.
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No one knew what to do, and in that space, Destiny shined.
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Here was this guy who would take all comers and argue with these monsters and come out
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making them look bad.
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Sure, he called the people the r-slur a bunch, but sometimes the f-slur, and maybe he seems
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a bit angry, but maybe it's weird that he insists it's okay for him to use the n-word
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in his private life for humor, but maybe he's the solution to these right-wing folks online.
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There was the prevailing thought, and you can find people like Destiny or Vash express
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that they're more able to de-radicalize folks who got sucked into the alt-right pipeline
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because they're kind of cool.
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They aren't afraid to use those slurs because they don't listen to the PC police.
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The reason that no one else can reach these kids is because everyone else are a bunch
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of soy boys, and the kids who are being sucked into the alt-right pipeline can sniff that
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out right away, but someone like Destiny is edgy and the alt-right initiates will respect
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that edge.
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I think there's some truth to that idea, but I also think it's ridiculously overblown.
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I'm sure that these guys did have a better track record of getting budding alt-right
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people to reconsider their beliefs than someone like Jake Tapper, but I don't know if it's
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the real change that they're promoting.
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The most high-profile example of someone who was pulled back from the alt-right by Destiny's
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content was a guy named Caleb Kane.
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There's a New York Times profile about him, and he made the rounds on TV and web shows
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talking about how he was pulled back from the brink.
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But then he disappeared, only to reemerge a few years later to announce that he was
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now a conservative.
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Hey!
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Call it!
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Put one on the board!
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And you know, I think that you never hear about the reversion, but you do hear about
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people who are like, I made it out of the hole, or whatever.
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Oh, I mean, if you've ever spent, say, your entire childhood in evangelical circles, that
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is the best story in the world.
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Right.
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It doesn't matter that a couple hours later, you're smoking crack with that guy after he
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gave his talk about being completely off the stuff now.
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Exactly.
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At a certain point, I think Destiny began to resent the left-leaning audience that he'd
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gathered by debating racists and getting this media attention about pulling folks back from
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the alt-right, and that manifested in him going super hard against leftists and commies.
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I can understand the impulse on some level, like if you feel like your audience is going
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too hard in one direction to a point that it's past where you are personally, if you
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don't check that, you could lose your identity chasing what the audience wants you to be.
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But I've watched a fair amount of his content, and I don't think his animosity towards the
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left is just housecleaning and curating his audience.
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There's a passion behind his hate of the left that you don't see in his dealings with people
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like Nick Fuentes and Lauren Southern, who he's been good friends with, at least up till
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recently.
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I don't know if that's changed.
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I haven't paid attention to his shit in a while, because I would tune in every now and
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again, and it seemed like whenever I would see something, it would be like some personal
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drama nonsense, this personal life is becoming content, and it just felt voyeuristic and
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weird.
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So I don't feel right with this.
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And that's kind of where we are now.
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I haven't watched any of his stuff for a while, and I have no real intention to in the future.
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I think that a lot of people have some pretty strong criticisms of destiny.
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I don't know if I have as many as some people, but it's not because of disagreement.
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It's because I don't know.
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He puts out a million fucking hours of content, and I can't keep up with all of them.
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I've seen terrible clips of things he said, but you have the standard, it's out of context,
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and I don't have time to figure out exactly everything, what is being said and why it's
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being said.
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So I'm sort of cautious about him is the way I would describe myself.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I do see so much, though, that is making sense more and more with a lot of these
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guys is they never really believed too much.
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What they believed was let's get popular and famous, and then their beliefs came into play.
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And the problem with criticism whenever you get there is if the left likes you, when you
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fall from grace with the left, it is real.
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You did things that you are guilty of, and those criticisms would require you to have
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to change who you are.
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Or at the very least, it would require some kind of a, not a formal Truth and Reconciliation
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Committee, but some kind of, yeah.
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It's real.
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But if you're on the right and you fall from grace, who fucking cares?
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They're making all this shit up.
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So it makes sense on just like a, if you are caring only about you first, psychologically,
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you are probably going to be healthier, not engaging at all.
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I think that a lot of people have the point, or they say that Destiny is a right-winger,
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and I don't know enough to sign off on that, but from everything I can tell, it seems like
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he's just more of a liberal than a leftist.
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Fairly center-left, which is kind of a little bit right, but definitely not far-right.
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You know what I mean?
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And some bad opinions.
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I would say that at the end of the day, for guys like that, I think he's a shit-talker.
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So as far as what their actual political positions are, those are kind of fungible in the moment
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depending on how much shit is in the process of, or needs to be done talking.
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The other problem that I kind of have is that, I really can't take away the fact that he
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has, essentially through becoming really rich and famous through it, almost created that
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debate space.
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Great!
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You know, like all of the blood sports type debate shit probably wouldn't exist in the
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way that it does if it weren't for Destiny and the sort of proof of concept that he had.
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Which I resent, because I think that's a shitty landscape, but not all of that is directly
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his fault, just sort of influence.
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Right, right, right.
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I mean, that feels like a job opening, less than, you know, like, people wanted something
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like that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But that is, you know, I mean, for whatever you can say, other people without the particular
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skill sets that he had of-
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Couldn't have done it.
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Yelling and arguing really fast probably could not have, you know, the job opening, but he
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fit that job.
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Right, right, right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He fit the job, yeah.
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It's great.
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So we get an introduction of Alex here, switching over to the other team.
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Next to this dude, we got Alex Jones.
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Alex, explain yourself.
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Well, I don't think I probably needed much of an introduction, but I mean, I was there
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on January 6th, and I saw what happened.
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And so it's a very important discussion.
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Should be over then, right?
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I'm glad everybody came.
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We need to have more of this, not just left and right, but just different groups of people
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debating and discussing.
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I'm really glad that Zero Hedge and their great subscription service, people supporting
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it, is financing this.
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And so you're going to see a lot more of this with people supporting Zero Hedge.
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And so I'm just honored to be here with you guys in Austin, Texas.
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Alex brings up two very important things in that intro.
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The first is that he was there on January 6th, whipping the crowd into a frenzy with
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his bullhorn until just past the point where things got too hot, at which point he tried
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to calm down the crowd in vain.
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Two people who were regular figures on his show for over a decade, Stuart Rhodes and
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Joe Biggs, were convicted of seditious conspiracy for their actions, planning what went down
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that day.
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Enrique Tarrio, who has appeared fewer times on Infowars but still was a periodic guest,
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is also in jail for seditious conspiracy.
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Alex's employee Owen Schroyer went to jail for a few weeks because he violated a deferred
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prosecution agreement by being at the Capitol that day.
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Alex is a very bad person to have on this debate because there are a ton of red flags
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about his associates, including uncharged people like Roger Stone and the seemingly
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totally forgotten Ali Alexander.
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You know why they forgot about Ali and pretended they pretend now he doesn't exist and he was
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never the head of Stop the Steal under Roger's mentorship?
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It's because he started working on the Ye campaign and then it came out that he was
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sexually harassing underage boys.
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According to the New York Magazine, quote, Stop the Steal founder Ali Alexander allegedly
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came onto these underage boys when they were teenagers asking for nudes from a 17-year-old
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and pressuring a 15-year-old to have sex with him.
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He was texting with a 15-year-old who he had promised access to his political connections
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and whined that they never sent him, quote, good jack-off material.
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In terms of the lead up to January 6th, Ali Alexander is an essential piece of it.
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He ran Stop the Steal, having inherited the name with the blessing of Roger Stone.
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When Alex made those trips to various state houses to Bullhorn and try and sway the election,
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the two people who were with him were Nick Fuentes and Ali Alexander.
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You can't pretend that he doesn't exist and isn't a major piece of this story just
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because to acknowledge him reveals how closely you're associating with a known pedophile.
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Because like Milo, if you want to take him at his word, it was very clear that he knew
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about this stuff prior to it coming out.
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Well, sure.
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I mean, when you are painting all of your political enemies as pedophiles, it probably
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doesn't look good whenever all of your friends are.
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Not all, but some.
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Too many.
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A high profile one here.
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Too many.
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For these reasons and many others, Alex is the worst person to be on a panel debate about
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January 6th.
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But you see, the other important thing that's revealed here, this is part of promoting Zero
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Hedges subscription service.
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By participating, everyone here is essentially agreeing to be in a commercial for Zero Hedge
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Premium.
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And I fucking hope they got paid.
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It's Destiny and the Kressenstein brothers, so I'm sure they're not working for free.
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I imagine there's some little change flying around.
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Man, that is weak.
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That sucks.
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Yeah, it does.
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That sucks.
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Yep.
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All right.
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Let's...
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The deck's rigged.
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Are they only going to be talking?
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What?
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What does that mean?
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I mean, here's what I would say, all right?
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If I'm going to do this, if I'm going to do the January 6th debate, I want some physical
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challenges interspersed in between.
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Double dare style.
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There's no feat of strength.
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There's no...
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There's got to be.
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There's no shaving cream sly.
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Double dare style require...
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I mean, because listen, there's going to be shit where it's like, you guys shouldn't even
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be talking right now.
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Physical challenge, go!
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I mean, even on Alex's show, they had the super male vitality belt.
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See?
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Yeah.
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Anyway, let's get this next dork out of here.
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All right.
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Darren Beattie, what's happening, man?
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Great to be here.
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Thank you.
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I'm Darren Beattie.
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I run a news site called revolver.news, which is reported extensively on January 6th.
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And you can also see me on X at Darren J. Beattie.
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And you're a Trump advisor and speech writer.
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Yes.
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And a former professor.
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And you help quarterback a lot of groundbreaking stuff that Tucker Carlson put up.
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Indeed.
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Indeed.
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We've talked about him a little bit, but Darren Beattie is the guy who wanted to make his
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own Drudge Report since Drudge wasn't far right and Trump-worshipping enough, and thus
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we got revolver news.
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Right.
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He's not a Trump speech writer.
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In fact, he was fired from the Trump administration in 2018 after it came out that he spoke at
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the 2016 HL Mencken Club meeting.
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That's an annual white nationalist gathering where he spoke alongside Pat Robertson and
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VDARE editor Peter Brimlow.
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Fun fact, the moderator, Ian, is one of the co-hosts on Tim Pool's show, and Peter Brimlow's
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daughter, Hannah, is another one of the co-hosts.
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Cool.
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Small world.
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Cool.
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Small racist world.
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Not enough guys.
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Anyway, Darren hasn't written extensively about January 6th, but he has made it his
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business to spread a ton of conspiracy shit about that day, and focus very closely on
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Ray Epps.
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He better be thanking his lucky stars, he's not yet included in the lawsuit.
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Darren Beattie is the only person who no one cares is on this panel.
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This is exactly where he belongs.
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When the lineup was announced, even the Krasenstein brothers, people wanted to talk about- there's
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more buzz about them being on it.
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Did you see Darren Beattie?
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He's like, yeah, that's right.
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Right on.
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Right on, buddy.
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You exist in the space that there is a perfect hole in the universe shaped like you, and
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that's where you go.
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Pop.
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Yep.
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So we get the last participant.
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Okay.
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Your favorite.
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And we also have, coming in remote live, Glenn Greenwald from your studio in Brazil.
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What's happening, Glenn?
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Hey, everybody.
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Glenn Greenwald.
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I'm a journalist.
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I'm the host of System Update on Rumble.
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I had planned to be there in person, a little logistical problems intervened, and I wish
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I could be, but I'm really more participating.
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And I just want to echo Alex.
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I think what Zero Hedge is doing is so important, organizing these kind of substantive structure
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debates among people who obviously disagree pretty strongly on things, and yet nonetheless
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can have what I hope will be a civil and spirited debate, what I expect it will be.
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So I'm really looking forward to it, and I appreciate being asked.
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Yes, that is my job, is to make sure that it maintains civility, structure, organization,
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and that we don't talk over each other, that we end up listening to each other.
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The real value of humanity, one of the most powerful tools we have, is communication.
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So I think tonight's going to be an exemplary example of that.
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Spoiler alert, it's not.
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I want to go back to hatchet throwing.
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Yeah.
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Merry Christmas.
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So yeah, when you think about how to have a civil, structured debate, I think what you
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should do is get Alex Jones and the streamer who yells at everyone and calls them the rSlur.
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And then you know what?
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You need someone to keep the peace and keep things on track, so you got to pull out the
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big guns and get Tim Pool's idiot co-host who thinks celebrating Hitler's yay's Hitler
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shit is him saving the Jews.
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Whatever it was that that meant is what he means.
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Get the fuck out of here with this farce.
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I understand that you want the most attention possible, so you get volatile elements together
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into the room and have Glenn Greenwald sacrifice what little is left of his credibility to
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put some polish on this thing.
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I understand that to make sure things do get out of control, you need an inept loser to
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moderate.
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I get it.
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Especially for memes and unlimited engagement on social media.
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Just spare me the sanctimonious shit about how this is some kind of noble pursuit of
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truth and understanding that you're so amazing for doing.
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Just wallow in the mud like the attention pigs you know you are, fucking assholes.
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Yeah.
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I mean, honestly, there is far less I have to judge harshly than their sanctimoniousness.
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Yeah.
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Oh, man, you're going to get a heavy dose of that from Glenn.
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It is so unreal.
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It's like just y'all are jerking each other off, having a fun little time stealing money
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from people who you don't care about.
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Why are we here, right?
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And making money for zero hedge, getting people to sign up.
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So Ian brings things out the gate with the first question.
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Here we go.
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What a moderator.
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All right.
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Let's go.
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Let's go.
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Let's go for this.
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Let's go.
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Let's fucking go.
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Let's fucking go.
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For the entire panel and anyone that wants to start it off, maybe we can start with you
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as we move around is January 6, 2021.
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Was it an insurrection?
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And before you answer, before you answer, I want to read this.
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This is, um, this is actually what the, it's called 18 US code 2, 3, 8, 3 rebellion or
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insurrection.
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Let me do an overhead shot.
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This is right out of Cornell law here.
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Excellent.
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All right.
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I'm gonna start reading this.
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This is according to the US code, whoever insights sets on foot, assists or engages
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in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws
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thereof or gives aid or comfort there to shall be fined under this title or in prison, not
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more than 10 years or both, and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
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It technically doesn't define insurrection.
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It's the code talking about what, what I guess, what an insurrection is.
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Of course they use the word insurrection in the actual code itself.
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You could have written this in advance.
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Yeah.
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We kick things off and we're on shaky ground.
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Ian very much thought that he was reading off a code that defined insurrection, which
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could then be used as a yardstick for the participants to measure January 6th against.
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You think?
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Does it meet this standard as it was coded into law?
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It's a real nice way to have a decent question where you get people's perspectives on, on,
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on the board.
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Yep.
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Unfortunately that code doesn't define insurrection.
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This is a problem that Ian doesn't know that.
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It's one thing to not have a handle on the law, but it's another to be the moderator
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of a debate about January 6th where you plan to open with this and not realize this isn't
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the definition.
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It's your own question.
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This is a further problem because in the aftermath of Colorado barring Trump from the ballot,
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it became a big deal that the constitution provides no explicit definition of insurrection.
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That was something that every media outlet discussed because it was an interesting offshoot
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of the story that will obviously come into play as this is heard in the Supreme Court.
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Yeah.
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I guess they skipped that on Tim Pool's show.
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They're probably busy complaining about how something was too woke that day.
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The Insurrection Act of 1807 doesn't clearly define insurrection either, which is why if
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Ian had prepared to do his job, the first question wouldn't be, was this an insurrection?
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It would be, how do we define an insurrection?
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Right.
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Until that question's answered, you have no real reason to believe these people are using
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the same definition for the word and their conversation is going to be incoherent.
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Yep.
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As these people and many people in accurately attribute to my boy Socrates, the beginning
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of wisdom is the definition of terms.
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I think- But Socrates didn't say that.
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That we should have to have, let's see again, we need to stop, we need to stop with this
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talk debates because we all know that they're stupid now.
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Mm-hmm.
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We need to do physical challenges.
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You can still talk, but we do need double dare physical challenges.
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Having gone through this, I don't fully disagree with you.
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I think what you're saying is unproductive too, but I say it's a shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Also, you have to have the word.
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All right?
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You have to hold the word up, party game style of insurrection and then everybody has their
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definition and they have to display it on a name tag or something.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Let me bounce back on your idea.
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All right.
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I think that feats of strength are going to end up having brutes like Alex win everything.
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What we need is the challenge.
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We need kind of carny type games.
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I am talking about double dare, my friend.
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There is no feat of strength to finding a flag inside of a piece of pizza that's comically
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large.
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Okay.
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I mean, if we stick in that territory where there's an even playing field-
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That's what I'm talking about.
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... that I'm on board.
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People need to be sliding underneath things.
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There should be slides everywhere.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I would have spiced this up considerably.
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I would have spiced things up, yeah.
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And as we get through this, Alex is coked and drunk up enough that he would love a fucking
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slide.
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Oh, God.
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I would have... Yeah.
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It gets messy.
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Yeah.
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So Ed is called on.
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This is maybe one of the only points that I know which cries on Steve is talking.
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We know for sure.
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It's an Ed.
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We got Ed.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So he has a boring answer.
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Okay.
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So I personally believe it was an insurrection- Speak up!
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... and I base that on the fact that 20 court decisions called it an insurrection and the
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fact that there was a bill passed in the Senate that called them a mob of insurrectionists.
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I think the bill passed, or it was in the House of Representatives, 406 to 21.
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That was a statute to award the police officers medals and it referred to these individuals
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as insurrectionists.
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So I mean, I think the term can be subjective.
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I think people can say nobody was charged with violating section 2383 of title 18, which
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is insurrection and rebellion statute, and nobody was, right?
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But I don't think that defines whether the event was an insurrection.
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When I say insurrection, I don't mean everybody there was partaking in an insurrection.
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There are people who were peaceful, the people who walked into the Capitol and did nothing.
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I don't think that they were insurrectionists.
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I think they violated the law, but I don't think they were partaking in an insurrection.
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I do think the Proud Boys were partaking in an insurrection.
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I think you could say Donald Trump incited an insurrection.
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I do.
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Destiny, what do you think, man?
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So you can almost feel Alex holding back the urge to give this dork a swirly.
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Yeah.
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That was a painfully boring answer.
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And it's the sort of answer that there's no reason for the right wing side to even respond
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to.
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It's kind of like, I feel in opinion statements and even admitting the shit's subjective.
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So you can just reject that by having your own feelings and opinions.
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I feel it was an insurrection.
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Okay.
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I don't.
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Bye.
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Well, we're at an impasse here.
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Good instincts on Ian's part to throw it to Destiny instead of the other Krasnostein,
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though.
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You got to kick some life into this fucking thing.
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That is like the definition of, oh, you're not, you can't come to me with that.
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You can tweet fine and maybe, you know, you have a lot of engagement and stuff on Twitter,
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but this kind of talking, especially in this environment is too slow and it's ineffective
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communication.
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It does pick up.
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They do get a little bit better, but it is pretty rocky here.
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I'm sure.
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It's just like, this is one of those things where like spending a decade as a comedian
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really points out, like before this guy spoke, you know, he says one word and it's like,
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I could have this guy ripped to shreds by an audience.
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Like there's no chance that he should be talking anywhere near somebody who can do the job,
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you know?
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Well, and that's why you throw it to Destiny.
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Yeah.
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That guy can talk.
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Okay.
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Here we go.
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Destiny, what do you think, man?
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I would say the plot from start to finish is quite obviously an insurrection.
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The only way to get around that is to either justify an insurrection, which is what most
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conservatives do, they don't realize it, or to deny that an insurrection could ever happen
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or you're not aware of all the facts of what happened.
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So I've made it clear that I'm pretty generally lukewarm on Destiny, but I think that's a
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great opening volley.
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He's making an explicit and firm claim, not a subjective claim, and he's saying that the
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insurrection definitely happened and he's putting rebuttals that might be made into
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appropriate boxes in advance of them being made.
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Sure.
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This is a great thing to do in most contexts.
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And if he was just debating Greenwald, I bet this would be very hard for Glenn to get around.
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Alex is a lunatic who doesn't live in reality though, so it remains to be seen if that's
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even effective in any way.
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That said, it's still a solid start.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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It's staking a position.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And here are the reasons why you would disagree with me in advance.
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Right, right, right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, it's formatted.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's so clearly he's like, I control the structure.
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Yeah.
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I'm prepared.
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I know what I'm here to say.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So he goes on and then the moderator, oof.
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Let's read the code again.
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I think that Donald Trump and his cronies had a very coherent plan that they tried to
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enact from start to finish, starting with false claims of voter fraud leading to false
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slates of electors that filed themselves as state electors under perjury, which is what
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they did, up to the violence that happened on the day of the certification of the vote
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where Donald Trump and his friends continued to try to delay the peaceful transfer of power
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by contravening the certification of the Electoral College vote.
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And I want to make sure that we don't force this into what they want to call a debate,
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debate where you got to be called on or anything.
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So if any of you guys, Glenn, you as well, man, if any of you guys want to jump in.
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Yeah, the two of them just went, I want Glenn to go, but I just want to say something here.
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I was there.
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Cool, man.
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I think Destiny's got a pretty good summation of the main points here.
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I feel like given that I know Destiny was preparing for this interview, he's probably
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going to be able to fully back these points up.
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That seems promising compared to the way that I had started things off.
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I feel like sometimes things can be and sometimes things cannot be.
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And you can see here how little interest Ian has in actually being the moderator of this
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debate.
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Destiny is giving a concise and detailed answer to his opening question, and Ian seems bored.
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Boring!
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Somebody else talk now!
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Somebody interrupt.
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We throw a pie!
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That's because he doesn't want a structured debate and a civil exchange of ideas.
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Absolutely does.
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He wants to pretend that's what they're doing, but he wants an argument.
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He wants a fight.
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He wants people yelling over each other because that's exciting, it drives traffic, and that
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will get more subscribers for Zero Hedges premium service.
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Now he does want to eventually, as they're fighting, eventually say, gentlemen, gentlemen!
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Sure.
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Well, that's a fun job.
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Let's put it in the act.
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Yeah, that's a fun job.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The Marquess of Queensborough rules!
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Yeah.
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This is Roger's Rules of Order.
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Robert's Rules of Order?
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No, Roger Stone's Rules of Order.
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Ah, there we are.
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Alex is coming in pretty condescending there too.
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Also, I Was There is definitely not an advantage in this debate.
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In fact, some might say it critically disqualifies you from having your perspective taken seriously.
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You were actively participating in the acts that took place that day, so how could you
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possibly come on here and condemn yourself as an insurrectionist?
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And not only that, an insurrectionist failure.
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Consider that dynamic, because it tells you a lot about the editorial choices in terms
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of who they have in this debate.
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That concern is ignored, because the value of Alex as a source of attention-grabbing
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chaos is far more valuable than having a debate with substance among people who hold different
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beliefs.
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I have a rebuttal to that.
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Yes.
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I am rubber and you are glue.
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Neener, neener.
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Exactly.
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Look at my nose.
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Exactly.
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Oh, I'd poke your eyes if I could.
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Oh, I'll do it!
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So Alex goes on with his I was there shtick.
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I was there, and I was investigated and subpoenaed by the Justice Department in at least five
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criminal investigations, and I was forced to testify in front of the Jan. 6 Committee,
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which they've now been destroying their records, because the records show the opposite of what
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they said.
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So that's all a lie.
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Yeah.
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Alex has been investigated and subpoenaed in at least five criminal investigations.
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As far as he's ever shown, that number is a maximum of two, and that's including the
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subpoena for the Jan. 6 Committee.
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He wasn't forced to testify there.
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He answered that he pled the fifth to every question.
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He's starting things off a bit dishonest, but also condescending.
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Yeah.
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Also, let's I wanted to I gave up on this, but I was going to start counting all the
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things that Alex brings up that should be dealt with in this debate, but just are going
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to be ignored.
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Right.
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It's a blatantly false claim, but because they pile up so much, it's difficult to understand
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the scope and scale of them.
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That was in honor of Barnes.
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The scope and scale.
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Yeah, the scope and scale.
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I saw it.
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So the first one I'm going to point out, even though I did give up on this because it's
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just too much, is that the Jan. 6 Committee is deleting the records because the truth
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is coming out that shows the opposite of what happened.
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Sure.
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That's not true.
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Barry Loudermilk with Crowdermilk has said that some videos of depositions couldn't be
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located, but that they had transcripts of them.
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Even Benny Thompson sent Loudermilk a letter explaining why a few things were not officially
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archived along with the other evidentiary material, which said, quote, as you also note,
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on December 30th, 2022, when the bipartisan select committee still had control over the
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records under the House rules, Vice Chair Liz Cheney and I sent letters to the White
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House Special Counsel and Department of Homeland Security regarding the select committees alone
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of some then current material containing law enforcement sensitive operational details
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and private personal information that, if released, could endanger the safety of witnesses.
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As indicated in the letters, the select committee wrote to those authorities seeking their assistance
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and guidance in the proper archiving of such sensitive material to protect witnesses' safety,
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national security, and safeguard law enforcement operations.
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This was part of the select committee's effort to accommodate the executive branch in appropriately
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protecting certain sensitive information while also complying with the archiving rules of
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the House.
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The executive branch was still conducting its review of that material to provide appropriate
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archiving guidance at the time the select committee dissolved.
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Accordingly, the select committee did not have the opportunity to properly archive that
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material with the rest of its records with the benefit of the executive branch's guidance
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to ensure witness safety or national security and law enforcement sensitive information.
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All of it was still archived various other places and nothing was destroyed.
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Alex is just lying, but that's the first of the things that he expects that he's just
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going to be able to assert with no pushback.
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And it's true.
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Yeah.
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No one can.
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Because he just, yeah, Al, this stuff adds up.
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Yeah, it is.
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It does seem like it is an impossibility to just allow somebody who cannot tell the truth.
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Uh, or I mean to, to allow somebody who cannot tell the truth as a matter of course, not
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even like, uh, an attempt or in anything, just like there's, this is what is going to
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happen.
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You have invited Alex, a barrage of bullshit is going to happen.
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There's nothing you can do.
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There's no stopping it there.
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He can't stop it.
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So you have chosen by the virtue of allowing this person to show up what is going to happen.
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It is all written from there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I, it's hard to imagine that it's not intentional.
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I mean, it can't be.
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So Alex continues to go on and he makes more dubious claims.
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Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme court.
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He was supposed to have another rally there.
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We showed up before Trump finished his speech.
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People were getting tear gas and hit by bullets and there were a bunch of provocateurs leading
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and attacking us, the police, and they broke through.
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And then this million plus people then got blamed as insurrectionist.
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And Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists.
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Sounds true.
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So here's the second thing here that Alex is going to assert and hope no pushback comes
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Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme court.
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For those unfamiliar with DC geography, the Supreme court building is to the east of the
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Capitol just across first street.
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What Alex is referring to here is that Ali Alexander fraudulently secured a permit on
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the Northeast side of the Capitol ground across first street from the Supreme court building.
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Ali had used a fake name for his permit, one nation under God, and it lied when they were
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told that the area that they were getting a permit for could only handle a maximum of
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50 people.
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Alex, or I'm sorry, Ali agreed to those terms knowing fully well that the plan was to use
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Alex as a Pied Piper to bring a gigantic group of people to that staging area where they
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would overwhelm the ability of law enforcement to do their jobs effectively.
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I have zero doubt that this is exactly what Ali was trying to do, but it's an open question
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whether or not this was done in concert with the other plans put in place by like the proud
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boys and the oath keepers, or if Ali's chaos was just a side thing.
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Just for fun.
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Yeah.
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It's also an open question if Alex knew that's what Ali was aiming for, because it seems
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like you could make a decent case that he didn't.
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When she was popping off and people were storming the Capitol, Alex was on his bullhorn still
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trying to get people to go to the east side of the building.
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So if his end goal was just what was going on in front of him, there's no reason that
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he would still want to usher people to the other side of the building.
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I have no concrete evidence either direction, but Alex's actions kind of make more sense
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in the context of someone who is being used.
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Yeah.
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So this is the second untrue assertion that Alex doesn't want questioned, because doing
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so opens up the door to asking how, like what was Ali Alexander, he's the one who got that
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fraudulent permit.
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Oh, you want to talk about who?
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I've never even heard of that guy before.
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And that would also-
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All my enemies are pedophiles.
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And that would also introduce questions about why Ali would agree to limit participants
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to 50 people while working directly with Alex to usher thousands to that location.
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Oh, well, because I was lying.
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Yeah, this would be a fantastic thread for Destiny to pull, because even if Alex tries
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to deflect it, it still makes him look like an idiot with something to hide.
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And that's a defensive posture.
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Alex would just yell and move on and change the topic, but it would be an interesting
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thread to try and pull, which doesn't get pulled.
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The rest of this is just standard J6 conspiracy talking points, and it's not interesting.
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It is true, though, that folks like the Proud Boys had begun rushing the building before
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Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse.
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He's saying that people were hit by bullets.
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He's referring to Ashley Babbitt, who wasn't shot until 2.44, about an hour and a half
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after Trump's speech finished.
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He's blurring this all together because he's working off vibes.
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He's just a vibe guy.
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Yeah.
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Eh.
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Hey, I'm a vibe guy.
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I mean, why not?
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What's crazy to me about this is that, honestly, if it's me, I feel like Alex is toning it
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down too much.
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Right.
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Because, seriously, this is mine.
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If I'm Alex, I'm looking at these idiots surrounding me, going, this is my house.
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I'm clearly the only person who can just say whatever the fuck I want as loud as I want,
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and no one's going to talk back.
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He does get into that head space.
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Don't worry.
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He's starting off a little slow.
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Good.
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Seriously.
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You will be very satisfied.
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I would be fucking King Kong all over this stupid place, because fuck all these people.
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Fuck you, Destiny.
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Fuck you, Chris.
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What's your names?
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I don't know you.
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I can't.
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I call them Bed as a group now.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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But I think that what you're describing will be maybe tame compared to some of the directions
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this ends up getting.
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Good.
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Good.
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Then I'm happy.
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Then finally, for the first time, I'm happy about this.
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But I have a bone to pick with you.
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Okay.
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I didn't get a laugh out of you when I said, Louder milk with crowded milk.
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I swear to God.
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I swear to God.
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I was about to ask you, did I actually hear that?
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It happened, and then he went...
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I was trying to slide it in and see what would happen.
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It rolled through my brain, and I'm just sitting here.
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I listened to most of what you said after that, and I just kept saying, did he say Louder
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milk with crowded milk?
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I can't believe someone's named Louder milk.
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Anyway, Alex goes on.
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And Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists.
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So by that extension, Kamala Harris, as the VP candidate, was bailing people out of jail
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that burned down police stations and firebombed federal buildings.
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And the idea of Biden's speech yesterday, making his whole campaign about January 6th,
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saying political violence is never good.
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The Democrats are the ones that call for political violence.
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So I was there with a bullhorn, but I could only reach a hundred yards out.
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Because the Democrats were calling for...
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Saying, don't go in, don't fight the police.
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This is a setup.
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And we have hundreds of videos.
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And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there.
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Oh yeah.
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So this is supposed to be Alex interjecting in the question, was January 6th an insurrection?
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You can see how he can't be trusted to answer a question.
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He's useless in a setting where you want to get any kind of actual exchange of ideas going
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because he's just going to do this.
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He's doing his show just in many chunks.
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Yeah, with people around being forced to watch.
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Yes.
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Kamala Harris didn't bail out people who were burned down buildings.
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She tweeted a link to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which helps provide bail to people who
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can't afford cash bail.
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If you can't afford to pay your bail, you're either going to need to accept staying in
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jail even though you haven't been tried, or you have to pay someone usually about 10%
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of what your bail is so you can borrow it from them, which is bullshit.
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Harris tweeted out a link to them and she wasn't even Biden's running mate at that time.
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If some of the people who were recipients of the Minnesota Freedom Fund's assistance
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were violent offenders, they were still innocent until proven guilty.
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And as a representative of that organization said, quote, if a judge deems them eligible
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for bail, they should not have to wait in jail simply because they don't have the same
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income or resources as others with more privilege.
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No, poor people should go to jail whenever rich people can be free.
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That makes perfect sense.
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This was a perfect smear for folks like Alex to lob at Harris because in reality, what
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they're attacking is opposition to the cash bail system.
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They do think that poor people should have to stay in jail if they can't afford their
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freedom.
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Claiming that someone, in this case Harris, supporting an organization that helps cover
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bail expenses for poor people who haven't been convicted of a crime, it's great cover
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for their actual political positions, which are awful.
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Alex is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks that Destiny is going to argue with him about
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the Black Lives Matter protests.
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After Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people in Kenosha, Destiny went on a rant saying, quote,
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the rioting needs to fucking stop.
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If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think
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they can torch buildings at 10 p.m., at this point, they have my fucking blessing.
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Holy shit, this needs to stop.
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He tends to argue that this is taking out of context, and sure, on one level, the point
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he's making is that law enforcement is unable to contain the protests that dissolve into
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property damage, but he's also endorsing vigilantism to deal with protests that get out of hand.
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I mean, once, the problem with that, this is why I don't do that, is because the problem
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with that is then, you know, now it's a fair game.
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Fuck you.
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Honestly, now that I think about it, Destiny's point might be further than Alex would go.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree.
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So yeah, if he's expecting some kind of a, like, haha, you're not going to touch this
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one, nope, Destiny will.
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So Alex has some more points about January 6th that are nonsense.
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So regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there, of people taking off
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their Antifa stuff and putting on the...
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He's talking about videos that are out there, and like, that the J6 committee tried to delete
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them and stuff.
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Right, right, right, right.
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The Trump garb, and the police fake arresting people, attacking them, and then high-fiving
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them.
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I mean, this has all come out in the new footage, and it's all getting...
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Wait, fake arresting them?
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How were they fake arresting them?
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They would grab them and arrest them, and then drag them in, and then high-five them,
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you know, take the handcuffs off and high-five them.
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Those videos, people are going to take everything I say, they're going to put it on X, and show
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what I said.
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That's where we dominate.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And so what I'm getting at here, let me just tell you this, what I'm getting at here is,
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they now admit hundreds of federal officers were there.
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So when Trump started his speech, this whole thing began with Ray Epps saying, go into
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the Capitol.
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He told the January 6th committee, yeah, it's true, it's in his text messages.
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He told family, I orchestrated it.
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Showed under pressure, they finally indicted him, but only recommended six months.
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So before we get into the substance here, Alex said the word dominate so hard there,
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because he knows that it's true, and he is glad to be back on Twitter.
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It is so easy to spread bullshit on there, and his side dominates the bullshit-spreading
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game, so I understand him celebrating that.
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So there's a video of two Capitol officers escorting someone in handcuffs toward the
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exit of a building, as evidenced by being next to a metal detector.
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They remove the handcuffs, the person being escorted offers one of the officers a fist
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bump.
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That proves nothing.
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I've been a bouncer and kick drunks out of a bar I'm working at before, and they give
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me a hug or insist on shaking my hand.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That doesn't mean that we just finished off, pulling off a scheme.
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No, sometimes, sometimes, for some reason, when dudes are drunk and doing belligerent
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shit, they can suddenly be like Al Pacino in Heat, being like, hey, you're just doing
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your job too, man.
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We're not so different, you and I.
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Or a plausible explanation for this is that the people who stormed the Capitol are largely
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Beck the Blue type bootlickers, and when in the proximity of cops, they're likely to say
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something like, my uncle's a cop, or try to bond in some way.
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That tends to happen too.
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If this person in the video were being escorted out but hadn't done anything to merit an arrest,
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I can easily see a cop giving them a fist bump to be polite and move things along.
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The less likely scenario is that these were men who just engaged in surreptitious plots
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to stage a fake storming of the Capitol who decided to celebrate their crimes in full
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view of an obvious surveillance camera next to a metal detector.
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Do you think any officer doesn't know that there are cameras everywhere in the Capitol,
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especially near a fucking metal detector at an exit entrance?
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There aren't videos of Antifa putting on Trump gear, but there's sure plenty of messages
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where Alex's buddies and the Proud Boys like Enrique Tarrio and Joe Biggs are specifically
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telling their followers not to wear their traditional colors and to wear all black like
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they say Antifa does.
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Right.
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So that's weird.
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Yeah.
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Ray Epps did text his nephew that he orchestrated the event, but he's explained that he was
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full of adrenaline after the riot and talking shit to impress them.
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There's a video of him saying that they should go into the Capitol the night prior, but if
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that's the standard for proving that you're a Fed, then half of the employees at Infowars
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must be Feds.
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There's also a video of Epps saying something to another person just before they start pushing
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the barricades to overrun the police line on the 6th.
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Epps and the person that he spoke to have testified that Epps told the guy not to attack
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the police.
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That's what he said to him.
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Sure.
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If Alex has evidence to the contrary, he's welcome to present it, but he doesn't.
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Otherwise, this is just one of the most pathetic cases of scapegoating I've ever seen.
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Ray Epps got caught on camera doing the thing that everyone, or at least a lot of people
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were doing, and because the extremists like Alex needed someone to blame so they could
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keep their revenue streams flowing, they made him the target.
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And now he's testified that he lives in constant fear.
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He's found like a bunch of shells on his property and stuff, such is the fate of those who get
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caught between people like Alex and lying for profit.
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Nice to see one of the Kreisenstein's try and step in there, but that wet noodle doesn't
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stand a chance against Alex's bluster.
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That was nothing.
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That was even less than nothing.
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That was almost like legitimizing by asking for an honest answer.
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Yeah.
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Could you, I'm sorry, could you clarify that?
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Shut the fuck up.
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I understand why that might be your instinct, but yeah, it's not, it doesn't, it's not gonna
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work.
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Bad.
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So Alex just continues to ramble.
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Well, of course.
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A few hundred people got manipulated into fighting the police.
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They were led and driven by provocateurs and other groups.
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They were others, then they opened the doors and the police wave them in, in hundreds of
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videos.
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They walk through the velvet ropes and then they indict over a thousand people that just
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walked through velvet ropes.
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And then now we're told in the national security directive of president Biden, the number one
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threat is the American people.
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And he had a declaration of war yesterday against all Trump supporters and says to protect
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democracy, we're not going to let you vote for Trump.
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So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes.
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I care who counts them.
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Well, Biden doesn't care who cast the votes.
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He cares who's allowed on the ballot.
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So we've already won.
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No one's buying this.
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And when this happened three years ago, the wall street journal had to print a retraction,
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but they said I was there as a coward telling their debate.
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Well, no, they wouldn't let me put the video on this debating before I was saying, don't
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go in.
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Where the fuck is Ian?
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Ian, are you going to help here?
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This is so far off track.
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Did he just launch into a personal story?
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Yes.
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And three people on the panel haven't even made opening statements.
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Alex is just grandstanding and rattling off his normal talking points and making up complete
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bullshit.
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You know that this is safe to do because none of this can get fully examined and scrutinized.
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There's no time.
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And if anyone tries to, there's six people on this panel.
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It's going to be so easy to drive the train right off the tracks at any point.
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If you consider this from the standpoint of an attempt to do a sincere, real debate, it's
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already a complete failure.
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However, if you really just want to make a spectacle where a juiced up Alex Jones talks
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shit and hopefully fights with someone on the panel, things are starting off well.
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That's the way it's supposed to go.
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Yeah.
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Physical challenges.
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Alex is clearly overstaying his welcome in this opening statement, which he wasn't asked
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to give.
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And in doing so, he's clearly demonstrated that the moderator is asleep at the wheel
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and Alex is in charge.
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Also, Alex says that the people who fought the police were led by, quote, provocateurs
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and other groups.
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I don't know about the provocateurs part, but when he says the other groups, does he
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mean oath keepers and proud boys?
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Because if he does, then yeah, that's definitely what happened.
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A bunch of people were led to attack the Capitol by Alex's friends in those extremist groups
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and simultaneously a bunch of non-violent participants went into the Capitol illegally
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trespassing and impeding the process of the certification.
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Sure.
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I don't know what he means by other groups, but I think he probably means Antifa.
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I would assume Antifa.
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Because Biden didn't announce war against the American public nor against Trump supporters
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and he hasn't said that you can't vote for Trump.
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He did a campaign speech, which was very anti-Trump because I think even Biden knows that Trump
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is the most likely candidate.
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He's not worried about running against Vivek, that much is clear.
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Probably not.
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But man, even for Alex, this is getting a little exhausting because generally when he's
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rambling on and on, he's alone on his show, which is socially somewhat normal.
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Here there's five other participants who are looking on and an idiot moderator not doing
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his job.
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It feels so much more rude.
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You can feel it in the listening.
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Yeah.
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Also, that's a fake Stalin quote.
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Yeah.
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That dude did not care about elections at all.
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What is everybody talking about?
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Yeah.
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Stalin's secretary Boris Bazhanov, which is way too close to the Rocky and Bullwinkle
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villains name, he claimed that Stalin said this in his memoir, but there's some historical
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inaccuracies in that book.
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And there are examples of people saying this quote, not attributed to Stalin going back
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into the 1800s.
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Sure.
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So it's dubious at best.
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It's one of those things that maybe he said it, but it's not an original thought of his.
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It's tough to write good quotes.
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You're not wrong.
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It's tough to write good quotes.
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And I don't know if you know this.
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Quote, Mark Twain.
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But even back then, even back then people had been around for a while with all the words.
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They had plenty of them.
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No, there were some new words.
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They were making up new words are still happening.
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That's true.
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But you know, the, all the good ones, they've been around for longer than most of the people
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you think said that quote.
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Sure.
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Let's face it.
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Yeah.
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Soy boy.
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Exactly.
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That was around in the 1800s.
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Losers.
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So Alex will not shut the fuck up.
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Why not?
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So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes.
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I care who counts them.
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Well Biden doesn't care who cast the votes.
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He cares who's allowed on the ballot.
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So we've already won.
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No one's buying this.
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And when this happened three years ago that the wall street journal had to put a retraction,
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but they said I was there as a coward telling people to attack.
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Well, no, they wouldn't let me put the video on Twitter before I was saying, don't go in,
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but the truth is it's coming out.
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And so, so that's the bottom line here.
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And this attempt by Biden to cast the American people as the enemy and all these movies about
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martial law, civil war and race war.
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That's their only hope because, because corrupt, evil democratic party and it's evil twin,
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the Republicans, they've lost power and populism is rising.
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The corrupt, evil democratic party has an evil twin and it's in the declaration of independence
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that it's our right and duty to get rid of a government that's destructive of what the
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people want.
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But I'm not calling for violence.
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We're winning this politically.
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We're being cast as about to be violent the next 10 months because all these indictments
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and all these attacks to not let Americans vote for who they want, aren't working and
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are backfiring.
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And all the big Democrat lawyers now admit it.
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Axelrod admits it.
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Take a breath.
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Harville admits it.
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They all admit this attempt, like we're in Venezuela or something to take Trump off the
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ballot when he's never been convicted of insurrection.
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This is a military tribunal, US code from the civil war.
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If a military tribunal found you were guilty of being involved in insurrection, that meant
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after the war ended.
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Can I ask you a question?
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So do you think the Confederates during the civil war were, are taking an insurrection?
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Interesting question.
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I'm shocked Alex let a question be asked.
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I wouldn't, I mean that was, that was actually really kind of him because it would be very
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easy.
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They could have been like, nope, fuck you.
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They kept going.
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I suspect that it's probably because Alex has gotten a vibe that I'm not worried about
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this guy.
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Alex is just like, sure, oh yeah, you can ask as many questions as you want little boy.
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Talk for 15 seconds and then I'll do another five.
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I need a drink.
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It's ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Oh boy.
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So do you think that's an interesting question?
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No, it's not.
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It's not an instant because by virtue of asking the question, you've already framed exactly
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what's going on.
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Right?
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That's your question right there.
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Can you?
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Yes.
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No.
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Because if you're already at that question, there's no point in us talking.
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Right.
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Well, but, but the, the, so when you're asking a question in a debate setting, one of the
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things that you should always be doing is considering what are the dialogue trees that
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come from this person saying yes or saying no.
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What is your goal in saying, is the Confederacy an insurrection?
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What happens if Alex says yes?
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What happens if Alex says no?
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And I'm not sure necessarily, well, I know that one of them ends in a dead end.
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Yeah.
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I know that the other could possibly lead to something, but why are you expecting a
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direct answer?
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's, it's a, it's when you consider how debates generally go like that with, I
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have this idea, you're going to respond to it.
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I'm going to respond to your response or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Imagining that this could ever go like that is so dumb.
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If you're asking self-evident questions in a debate, then you're either being a prick
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trying to make people feel stupid, or you're revealing how much of a waste of time this
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is because the point of the debate is you running up against somebody who's denying
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a self-evident question.
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It's an attempt to box Alex into something that's out of box.
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Yeah.
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And we'll see how that goes with this coked out ass.
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Do you think the Confederates during the civil war were or taking an insurrection?
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I mean, in retrospect, cause I wasn't alive then I think the South got manipulated into
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that.
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I'm sorry.
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What?
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In retrospect?
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The abolitionists, uh, you know, had a good point.
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They had a good point.
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Hindsight is 20, 20 slavery was about true.
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So just to be clear, the person that's defending the J six writers won't say that the Confederate
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States were engaged in insurrection.
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That's not what I, see, see, see, here's what happens.
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That's not true.
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That's what it sounded like.
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You said, well, you can correct the record.
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So do you think they were engaged in insurrection to talk?
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And the thing I said was, I think the South was wrong.
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And then you just said, you just said that I support what the South did.
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No, I didn't say you supported that.
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I said that you said that they weren't engaged in insurrection.
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Do you think the Confederate States were engaged in insurrection?
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Was that because there were rebellions during reconstruction at the end of the civil war
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and they were saying, if you lead an uprising against the Northern occupation of the South,
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you're precluded from running from office because they were worried about southerners
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getting office again.
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Like Jefferson.
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No, so no, I do not support the civil war or slavery.
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I'm not a quote Confederate question is, was it insurrection?
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Yes or no?
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If you were, it don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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This is exactly what you should expect in this situation.
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What are you doing?
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Alex is so coked out or on too much brain force that he can't even follow a simple question.
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The question was, do you think the Confederacy was engaged in an insurrection?
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Alex then proceeds to ramble a bunch of bullshit meant to deflect from the actual reality that
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he does support the Confederacy and his relatives proudly fought for them.
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It's all disconnected from the question that was asked and Alex is doing that on purpose
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because his mind can't understand what is being asked and more importantly, why it's
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being asked.
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There is that.
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The question is being asked by one of the Krasensteins, who I can't tell apart, so like
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I said, I'm going to start calling them bed, and he's asking this because it gives a baseline
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for if the very obvious insurrection is something Alex can call an insurrection.
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As Alex rambles to avoid the point, Destiny accurately points out that Alex is not saying
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yes or no.
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It has nothing to do with supporting the Confederacy or not.
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It has to do with committing to a definition because Destiny wants Alex to stake a position.
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If Alex says the Confederacy wasn't an insurrection, then nothing can be.
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If he says that it was, then that allows you to open the door to refine the point down
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by trying to determine what it was about the Confederacy that made their actions an insurrection.
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Alex doesn't want to commit to either because he likes to be slippery and he kind of realizes
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that if he slows down and gets into details, even bed is smarter than him.
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So Alex gets into theatrics, pretending to be offended and ascribing positions to Destiny
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that Destiny never said.
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The ultimate irony is that Alex absolutely does support the Confederacy.
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I mean, yeah, this is one thing that I just hate so much about these people, fucking be
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proud of trying to overthrow a country.
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That's tough to do.
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No, no, because you failed.
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Most people don't.
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Nice.
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Most people don't even try.
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You miss 100% of the countries you don't try and take over.
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Meh, that's true.
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Okay.
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Mark Twain.
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So, uh, bed, uh, comes back with, uh, what, what he thinks is a gotcha question is, was
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it an insurrection?
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Yes or no?
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Yeah.
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I have a, if you were in, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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The law.
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Yes.
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I, I thought it was a civil war.
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You can say an insurrection.
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Okay.
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So is an insurrection.
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Did anybody get charged with insurrection rebellion?
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What I'm saying is violating statute.
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Did anybody get charged?
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No, I'm asking you just said it was an insurrection.
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Did anybody get charged with violating the insurrection and rebellion statute?
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Yes people did.
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No, because there was no statute there.
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That's my point.
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You don't need to, you don't need to violate that statute in order to be partaking in insurrection.
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This is pretty sad.
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Let this man run the government.
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So bed is trying to force Alex down this road of argument.
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Yeah.
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One was the Confederacy an insurrection?
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The obvious answer is yes.
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Two, was anyone charged with insurrection?
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The obvious answer is no, because those laws weren't on the books yet.
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Three, this means it's possible to engage in insurrection without being charged with
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the crime of insurrection, which means that Trump can be considered to have engaged in
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insurrection without being charged with that crime.
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Bed jumped the gun though.
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Alex only kind of admitted that the Confederacy was an insurrection.
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He said it was a civil war and he was probably getting ready to say, and you can call that
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an insurrection, but bed rushed to try and get to stage two of this dialogue tree.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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This is stupid because Alex is just going to say whatever he wants and he doesn't care
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about some dumb gotcha moment.
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Yeah.
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The whole thing falls apart because of the flaw in bed's premise.
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This situation between the Confederacy and Trump are not analogous because in the present
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day those laws do exist.
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The people who are not being charged with the crime of insurrection when the law didn't
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exist isn't doing the heavy lifting that he thinks it is.
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Ex post facto laws, which would charge people for crimes they committed prior to those things
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being a crime are explicitly against the constitution.
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The US was going to charge many of the Confederate leaders with treason, but decided not to prosecute
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them.
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The US had mass pardoned every member of the Confederacy that wasn't charged in that group
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who ended up not getting prosecuted anyway.
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So odds are that these people wouldn't have been charged with insurrection, even if those
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laws were on the books.
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Probably because they've just been a civil war and people were tired.
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The easy way around this is to not get hung up on the word insurrection.
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Like the only reason that's a buzzword is because it's a word that's used in the statute
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that Colorado cited to bar Trump from the ballot.
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In terms of the conversation about January 6th, that shit's just a distraction.
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Go with sedition.
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People of Alex's close friends are in jail for that right now.
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All of this, everything that's happened so far is not really that important unless this
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is not a debate about January 6th, but in fact is Trojan horsing a debate about the
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Colorado decision not to have Trump on the ballot, which I don't even know if that's
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the intent, but it seems to be that's the way things are going.
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I think there is an interesting question that is not being asked and that is, is secession
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insurrection?
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Is there a peaceful way for you to leave the country?
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Yeah.
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There have been bloodless coups in the past.
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No, no, no.
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I mean, for South Carolina.
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For South Carolina to say, we are no longer part of this country, we voted, we're not
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part of the United States anymore.
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Is there a peaceful way?
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Because the United States is going to reasonably look at it-
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Do you mean then or now?
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Whenever.
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The United States is reasonably-
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Well, then we have evidence that it didn't.
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Yeah, exactly, but I mean, the idea being, no, you can't take our stuff.
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Sure.
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Well, obviously the European Union isn't as deeply entrenched as the United States, so
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the idea of Brexit actually happening, I don't think lends credence to the possibility of
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a state seceding peacefully.
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And that's also a union that was made up of sovereign nations in advance as opposed to
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a bunch of states that tried to become one.
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I think that intense circumstances, I think you could paint a picture where that is possible,
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but I think it's almost impossible.
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I think it's functionally impossible.
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Well, I mean, you would have to negotiate who gets your stuff.
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True.
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And you'd have to negotiate trade agreements with the rest of the United States and things
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like that.
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I mean, from a functional logistics standpoint, it's almost inconceivable, but just from a
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could they, in theory, peacefully decide to vote, it would probably have to be an overwhelming
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amount of vote.
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Because in order to amend the Constitution, you need two-thirds vote of all the states.
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Yeah, you'd need a civil war.
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But let's say that South Carolina, in this example, voted 80%, and it was a legitimate
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vote to-
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Sure.
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Maybe.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It might prompt another civil war, but maybe it's possible.
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Because then the answer is the land is ours, so if you don't want to be part of the United
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States, you have to go South Carolina and we'll put United States people back in there.
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That's the thing.
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I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure.
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No, so the reality is there's no peaceful way to do it.
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I think you're probably right.
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So the idea of this question is stupid.
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You wanted to not be the country anymore.
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That is a violent thing.
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So moving on.
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But you didn't think there was a good gotcha?
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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So, I mean, look, this is just, it descends into what I would describe as incoherence.
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Because the civil war was an insurrection, and nobody got charged with violating that.
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No, no, no, you're not listening.
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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This came at the end of the civil war.
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That's my point, Alex.
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And a reconstruction.
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You're changing the subject because you know it's red.
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The Democratic Party lawyers on CNN say you have to be convicted under the 14th amendment
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of this before you can be, you can't, you can't just be convicted under the 14th amendment.
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You get convicted under Section 2383 of Title 18.
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Let's slow down a little.
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Let's slow down a little.
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Thanks, buddy.
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A congressional resolution to give awards to Capitol Police is not a conviction of Donald
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Trump to remove him from the ballot.
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He's been indicted for saying they stole an election.
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So now they want to take him off the ballot, which is pure stealing of an election.
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I think this is not, he's the Yankee Yankee.
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He's not somebody in Georgia.
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He's not Robert E. Lee.
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Sure.
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This has nothing to do with it.
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On the 14th amendment, it doesn't require a conviction under Section 3.
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You can literally put it on the text on the screen.
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There's no, it does not say it needs to be convicted.
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I guess we need to define the difference, Alex, Alex, Alex, one second, one second.
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We need to define the difference between the casual term insurrection and the legal definition
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of insurrection.
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What are you people doing?
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Yes.
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Well, there's another thing we need to talk about.
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So yes, there's the casual term.
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There's the etymology of the term insurrection, which simply suggests a rising up.
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So by that definition, that could encompass a wide range of things.
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Black lives matter.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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I love Darren Beatty being like, calm your racism for a moment, Alex.
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Don't get ahead of the ball.
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Big picture here, though, these guys are having different conversations about different things
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and it's a complete waste of time.
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Destiny, to his credit, is doing the best he can with, like, without just constantly
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jumping in.
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So I'm going to excuse him and Glenn from this, since Glenn hasn't said shit since hello.
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Wise move, Glenn.
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The question on the table is whether January 6th was an insurrection, which you could be
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generous and assume that Bed is still trying to nail down.
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You don't have to be convicted of insurrection for something to be an insurrection, therefore
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the participants of January 6th were engaging in an insurrection, even though none of them
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were charged with that statute.
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You could argue that that is what Bed is trying to nail down.
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Sure.
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Meanwhile, Alex is having a conversation about Trump being kicked off the Colorado ballot.
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He's so far past caring about the question of whether or not January 6th was an insurrection,
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which makes sense.
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In that minutes-long rant the moderator let him go on, he said that his side had already
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won, so he's just moved on to pretending this is just a talking head show on Fox instead
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of a debate about January 6th between his dumb ass and people who don't agree with him.
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Yeah.
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Bed doesn't understand that Alex is having a different conversation, and Ian doesn't
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know what's going on, so he's helpless to get things back on track, but he does try.
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But you notice that when Alex is just ranting and saying bullshit unchallenged, Ian doesn't
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really do anything.
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Nah.
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As soon as Bed pops in and points out that Alex is wrong and Alex gets defensive-
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Gentlemen!
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Gentlemen!
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Excuse me!
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Gentlemen!
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Slow down!
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Hey!
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Hey!
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Hey!
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Hey!
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Alexandra is just a cool out.
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Almost like the moderator and the subscription service that funded this shit are on Alex's
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side.
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It does seem very similar.
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Ian does come in with the goods, though, and says that they need to disambiguate the legal
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and colloquial understandings of the word insurrection.
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That could save us a lot of time from the jump, but, oh well.
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And then, as soon as the moderator is provided some sort of guidance to get us back on track,
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Darren Beatty comes in with some fake intellectual ass nonsense about the etymology of insurrection,
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making sure we're distracted off the point once again.
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Eren is fairly right, though, that insurrection comes from the Latin root insurgo, which means
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to rise up, but it almost always has the connotation of rising up against something, generally
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specifically from within that thing.
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This is intellectual masturbation, though, because everyone understands that over time
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words take on connotations, and generally speaking, insurrectionist is the negative
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version of revolutionary.
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Call January 6th an attempted revolution if you want.
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The point is the same.
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It was an attempt to overthrow the government.
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You can put whatever flavor on it you want.
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You want to be positive about it, be negative about it.
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Whatever.
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I'm not gonna quibble.
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Yeah, I mean, honestly, the overthrow the government part is neutral.
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Not to them.
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No, but-
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But that's because they tried to do it.
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Right, right, but I mean, it doesn't matter which side you are on in any situation or
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whatever side-
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Well, it's descriptive.
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Overthrowing the government is just overthrowing the government.
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There was one, then there's gonna be another one.
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Yeah.
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Don't worry about it.
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Generally, it's what the reason for it is, is the thing that you should really try to
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spend most of your time litigating.
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Exactly.
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And that's not gonna happen.
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No.
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So anyway, blowhard-ass Beatty.
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Here we go, Beatty.
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Ooh, boy.
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Etymology.
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Then there's the legal definition, but we have politically weaponized court systems,
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so that's not even, I think, a proper standard.
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I think the proper standard is-
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Whatever you feel like.
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The sweep of a proper historical perspective.
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Boo.
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Does the event of January 6th compare to the antecedent that we've been discussing the
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Civil War?
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So, if the question is, oh, is Civil War an insurrection, my question is, is the scope
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and scale of the event of January 6 comparable to the Civil War?
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Because Joe Biden has directly made this comparison, which I think is flatly ridiculous, and that
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comparison has to be valid in order for these ridiculous Section 3 arguments to have any
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force or legitimacy.
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I think any common sense-
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It's a lie on its face.
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It's a lie.
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I'm gonna shut up.
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It's a lie.
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It's a lie.
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It's a lie on its face.
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A complete fucking dumb shit.
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If there's any lie on its face, it says Alex is gonna shut up.
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That is never gonna happen.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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And guess what?
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The Civil War is both comparable and not comparable to January 6th.
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They're comparable in the sense that they're both attempts to overthrow the federal government
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of the United States, but if you try to say that, Darren is gonna try and pretend that
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you're saying that they're comparable in terms of scale and impact, because that's an indefensible
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position to hold.
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And to be clear, the conversation that had to do with the Civil War wasn't was the Civil
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war and insurrection it was was the confederacy and insurrection right the question as it stands
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in the debate should be understood not just to be about the war but the things that led up to the
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war that the confederacy did darren has fundamentally changed the subject of this conversation
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in order for him to try to set this trap and pretend that biden thinks that january 6th is
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comparable to the civil war in terms of scale that's because he's a rhetoric trickster there's
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literally no reason to accept the framing that in order to call january 6th an insurrection it must
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be totally comparable in scale and scope to the civil war it's a ridiculous claim that even darren
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knows is idiotic also let's not miss the fact that darren bidi believes that there are politically
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weaponized courts so laws are not good standards to base enforcement of laws on with this
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understanding i can't imagine what crimes he wouldn't defend trump for committing it's just
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pointless i find this thought interesting yeah all right so america doesn't win the revolutionary war
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no united states right all of those people who did the boston tea party thing are they the
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whiny people that we're listening to right now they have to be right they're the exact same
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whiny losers that we're listening to right now if they lose the american revolution they go oh no
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we were just getting rid of tea party or they were just blaming oh it was native americans who did
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it these people are all fucking cowards if they lose all of them i think pathetic i think uh yeah
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the opportunity was just a little hotter back then yeah they just all broke a different direction
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people yeah that's disgusting i'm so fucking disappointed now yeah all of these people are
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cowards i hate them i fucked george washington right up in his face i feel like this kind of
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energy would have helped with this debate i think i would have liked it yeah now i'm kind of in so
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bed uh decides to try and uh sidestep this civil war discussion sure and go with another example
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of a possible insurrection what about 19 what about 1992 the la riots george herbert walker bush
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he invoked the insurrection act 12 000 people were arrested 63 people were killed hundreds
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hundreds were injured was that an insurrection what do you guys know it's a declaration of
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federal martial law but was it an insurrection because nobody there was charged with violating
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nobody that nobody there was charged with violating section 2383 the insurrection and rebellion
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statute but we still consider that i mean by the yardstick kamala harris bailing on people
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that firebomb federal buildings that is glenn glenn talk to me you have something to say
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yeah i actually think what destiny and what ed are saying are very important uh first of all i was
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going to say that i think one of the problems with how these things are debated is that a lot
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of people these days have very binary prisms for understanding things god that comes from youtube
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debate where you have to declare yourself on one side or the other so destiny said oh everybody
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either hates this interaction insurrection thinks insurrection or they deny it happens or they think
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it's good and there's so much middle ground so bed asked about 1992 because it's a clear example
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of a time when the insurrection act was invoked to control an uprising and yet no one was charged
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with insurrection right this is kind of coffin nails to the argument that alex is making so he
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tries to deflect and bring up his incoherent talking point about kamala harris sensing alex
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is in trouble ian throws it to glenn who then laments about how polarized we've become because
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of online debates guess what dipshit you're currently in one of those stupid debates and
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all the promotional material was real polarized with your dumb ass on alex's side i guess uh it's
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like they say let he without dignity cast the first stone you fucking condescending fuck glenn
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goes on to then mischaracterize destiny's opening point destiny said that people uh would argue that
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january 6th wasn't the culmination of a concerted effort to overthrow the election carried out by
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trump and his team either a think that no action could ever constitute an attempt to overthrow the
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government b they actually support the overthrow of the government whether they realize they're
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admitted or not or c they don't know what actually happened that day but this is how glenn
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characterizes that so destiny said oh everybody either hates this interaction interaction thinks
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an insurrection or they deny it happens or they think it's good and there's so much middle ground
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glenn is impose a polarization onto destiny's words in order to pretend to be above it and like
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he has some kind of enlightened nuanced position but that's bullshit they pull out they put out
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promotional material for this debate and he's on the red team with alex and darren if he didn't
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consent to that and he has the kind of complaints he seems to care about so much here he should have
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canceled because otherwise you look like a dick well i mean he is so in a way this is just a a
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man embracing himself yeah coming into his own condescending uh fuckery and if that man is a dick
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there you go i think we've all figured it out so glenn's got a little bit of a middle ground
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yeah here and he describes it uh definitely smoothly and very uh you know what he doesn't
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get interrupted a lot and i think that's probably because he's there remotely yeah that would make
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sense and because alex is an obsequious uh dick yeah and there's so much middle ground namely
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that for me this was a political protest that spilled over into a riot where a small minority
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of the people engage in violence i don't think we want to urge that to happen we don't want to
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defend that i consider that lamentable but the fact that it's laughable to call this an insurrection
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is actually demonstrated by the examples that they're using this was a three-hour riot that
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was extremely easily subdued it doesn't remotely compare to any prior insurrections let alone to
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the civil war the only people who were killed on january 6th were four people all four of whom
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were trump supporters two of whom dropped out of a heart attack and one from a speed overdose because
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these were not exactly a well-trained militia and when jack smith went to charge donald trump with
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multiple crimes he had a lot of options to charge him with and he charged him with a lot of crimes
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including very dubious ones he did not charge him with inciting an insurrection for reasons
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that i think we ought to ask ourselves why but the the fact that this is such a minor event in
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history is demonstrated by the fact that the media who needed this to be a major event immediately
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started lying about what happened saying that brian sick dick was murdered when he had his
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head bashed in through a fight with a fire extinguisher only for torn that actually he
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called his mother that night he was fine he died the next day but the coroner said were natural
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causes because the media knew that if you can't say that even one person supposedly perpetrating
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the insurrection killed anybody pulled out a gun let alone discharged the weapon all of which is
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true it's a joke to call this an insurrection at best it's a riot hey dipshit there was a riot
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inside and around the capital of the country where people were wandering around searching for
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politicians chanting hang mike pence the media didn't need to lie to sensationalize anything it
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just so happened that some of the early reports particularly one uh the one about brian sicknick
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were inaccurate yeah and this dipshit is also failing to mention that two people julian cater
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and george tanios were both charged with assaulting brian sicknick cater pled guilty to
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pepper spraying sicknick uh aggressively and was sentenced to six years in jail and not for nothing
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but the media didn't just make up the story to sensationalize things they were reporting what
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the capital police told them that could have been an instance of the police not always being the
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most honest when interacting with the media or it could be an issue of bad information being
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conveyed by no intentional fault of anyone along the chain it's entirely possible there was a
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miscommunication along the line and this incident where sicknick was attacked with pepper spray
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got mixed up with the incident on january 6 where robert stanford jr hit three capital officers in
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the head with a fire extinguisher and threw a traffic cone at them yelling traitors he was
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sentenced to 52 months in prison and immediately sought out therapy to recover from what he
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describes as cult programming that led him to attack those officers what i'm saying is that
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there are explanations for the inaccurate reports about the cause of sicknick's death that have
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nothing to do with the media lying about it because they're so desperate to turn this into
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a dramatic story if you can hear glenn say this the fact that this is such a minor event in history
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is demonstrated by the fact that the media who needed this to be a major event immediately
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started lying if you can hear that and not immediately get what kind of a dipshit he is
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then you're not thinking straight oh yeah thousands of people overtaking the capitol
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building in an effort to stop the peaceful transfer of power that's not even a big deal
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just a minor story says very serious and sincere journalist glenn dipshit i'm being a little mean
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and i recognize that but it's only because with glenn you know he knows what he's doing
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alex is a coked out idiot living in an oxygen oxygen deprivation hallucination for 40 years
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so you can write him off but glenn he knows what he's doing so i have a little more ire for him
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perhaps than than alex you know it's it's more indefensible it is it is very much a a guy who's
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who's like almost always got a ani a stinker kind of act towards him whenever and he's really
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condescending yeah and it's like fuck you you're oh god i hate him i hate him so much yep and and
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you know that uh you know the history uh has a trajectory and it came came from a place that
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was better yeah so anyway glenn serious journalist right i mean he's he's nuanced respectable people
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used to say that i think it was the credence to it 20 years man yeah i feel so old yeah because
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i was alive when greenwald wasn't a giant piece of shit and he's gonna get uh real condescending
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about uh people's ages and stuff a little later and i was so i was so excited watching citizen
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four it was so thrilling it's like oh this means something this is cool fucking hell that should
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have a that should have a disclaimer on it now that movie should have to be like re re-shot from
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start to finish it's it's that trajectory is like i it just calls to mind a slide whistle yeah
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so anyway fuck this dude yeah i mean i don't know trump hasn't been charged with an insurrection the
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only time he ever commented on january 6 about whether he thought there should be violence or
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not was when he said the following he said i know that everyone here will soon be marching over to
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the capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard he urged them to be
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peaceful and how they went there settles it for me violence i think you can make the argument
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that's a man who always meant the words he said were there were the ones that urged it but even
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if the people who were there were the ones responsible at best this is a riot you could
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so easily make the case that the 2020 riot was a far greater insurrectionary threat than anything
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that happened on january 6th that's perfectly said i would ask the i would ask the left over
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here i know ian's asked the questions i mean i don't know did you guys see biden's speech i mean
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it's an hour long what so man so weird how those are the only quotes from trump's speech that glenn
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thinks are relevant i'm just looking over a transcript it seems like he missed some stuff
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like the part where he smirks while the crowd chants fight for trump after he tells them that
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he won't let the democrats steal the election sure what about the part at the end where trump
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said quote and we fight we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have
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a country anymore yeah that one's tough did glenn miss that it seems like an honest mistake that a
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sincere and nuanced journalist could make as for glenn's point about the riots in 2020 being a
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bigger insurrectionary threat my first question would be do you think the fact that they didn't
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happen at the capitol building on the day of the election involving a giant mob of people who
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believe they had the blessing of their god king to fight like hell to overturn an election might
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make this a little more serious than a burned police station or eluded target and once again
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alex just steamrolls ian as the host and essentially decided that this is his show which
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of course it is alex doesn't want to talk about january 6th in this january 6th debate because he
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knows that destiny at least isn't an idiot and he's prepared so he tries to distract often
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biden's speech from last night what is he doing i i mean what's ian doing well yeah that's i mean
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i i i what is the debate about it's supposed to be about whether january 6th was a manufactured
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event that's the debate right whether it was a manufactured event a false flag if you will all
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right that's what the debate is about and if you squint pretty hard you can find a little bit of
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connective tissue in some of the stuff that they've been saying that relates okay not much
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not much all right so okay so if we're supposed to be getting to the fucking bottom of whether
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or not it was a false flag where does that even start well i assume it would start with
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trying to demonstrate that everything bad uh was precipitated by agents provocateur
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and sure that that's probably where you would go about it um man oof this is this is tough to
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to sit through it is this is tough to sit through yeah and and alex will be more fucked up as this
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goes along and so it becomes a little bit more interesting yeah that'll make it easier but for
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now like alex is just veering off into talking about uh biden's speech yeah i'm trying to focus
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on words i don't want to focus on these words but this really threw me off okay i mean i don't know
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did you guys see biden's speech i mean it's an hour long that no one there was good they were
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all there a million i'm over a million people i was there and then we marched down there to have
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another rally and then i see this hell this terrible thing happening it wasn't evil and then
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and then and then biden's saying they're all bad and we can't let you vote for trump i mean it's
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i mean come on man we have a clip from this from biden's speech i want to play and then you can't
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get back to you you can't do that if you guys have this uh it's clip number four biden's speech
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what how does he he's prepared in some way which is terrifying he has a clip ready to go
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i don't i don't know man i don't even feel like he's trying to turn this into a debate i don't
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think you can call it that this is a game of playing like let's let shitheads talk while
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token liberals we invited here politely wait their turn that isn't coming yeah that's what
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this is this is this is sad yeah this is i i mean it is hard to imagine that you're you're not like
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just cashing a check if you're destiny i imagine i can i can believe that the kraassensteins
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are sitting there going like oh i can't wait for my turn to talk because i'll change some minds
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i'll get i'll tell him about ronald blump those poor dum-dums but destiny has to be like all right
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well here we are check and then i know from listening to destiny and here you know watching
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some of his streams and stuff he subscribes to a position where you go on to debates especially
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like this was his ethos with uh like white nationalists and nazis that he uh he would
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debate with is that like 40 of the audience has already decided that they agree with you
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40 already agreed that you decided to side with the nazi right and then that 20 in the middle
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is the people that you really care about and maybe you can sway some of them sure and whether or not
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that that whether i don't believe that's true i think it's way lower yeah that's childish but
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whether that motivates his participation or some kind of like this will be fun this will be
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ridiculous i'm not sure and it would be hard for me to ascribe like necessarily uh his motivations
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but if it is something where the 20 maybe i can sway some of them sure it's misguided
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right well i think my problem that i'm feeling right now is that it seems like nobody's having
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fun destiny will in a little bit okay because this is bumming me out it's like what are you
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guys doing taking this seriously all like destiny starts to troll alex a little bit you're all
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clowns what are we doing here yeah throw a pie for fuck's sake well actually uh after they play
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the biden clip you can kind of see the first part where destiny is kind of just like i'm gonna go
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ahead and take control of okay oh pardon the expression my own destiny right you can't be pro
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insurrectionist and pro-american you know trump disagreeing supporters not only embrace political
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violence but they laugh about it the insurrections the open border so the insurrection was not just
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the three-hour riot that happened at the white house afterwards i think that's the least
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charitable reading of everything that happened and that's not if you read any of the charges that
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either jack smith or the georgia rico case has alleged against trump are saying that in fact
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not much of the focus is on the three-hour riot at all let's keep it finish his thought first
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so not much of those indictments are actually focusing on the three-hour right itself the
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unprecedented act that there is no answer for that kamala harris or joe biden or hillary clinton have
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not engaged in is using knowingly false election claims for months to try to pressure state
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electors to change their vote and then when they wouldn't do that beg them to elect different
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electors and then when they wouldn't do that create a plot to create fatal act fake electors
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and then when pence wouldn't accept that try to capitalize on that final three-hour riot at the
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capitol building to also make phone calls and tell people to decertify their vote or to switch their
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elections jfk and obama that was completely different i can explain that if you want yeah
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please do we don't right yeah so in 19 what was it 1960 so 1960 jfk and nixon there was a dispute
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because the there was a recount i think jfk ended up winning by like 150 votes at the time each
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state decided or the state decided to certify two sets of elected certified decided to choose two
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two different slates of electors depending on how it went and but they were certified by the state
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recount they were in the middle of a recount try to get a certified none of it was certified yet
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neither what happened with trump was that trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate
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of electors based off of conspiracy theory crap that none of the election was stolen crap yeah
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so times are tough in these parts but destiny just kind of cutting through the bullshit is a breath
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of the fresh yeah that's nice let him talk shut up crass jesus these people are spinning themselves
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into knots about the definition of insurrection and the casual versus legal definitions while
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all the while like they're having two completely different conversations neither of which really
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get to the crux of the matter of why january 6th constitutes an insurrection to destiny's
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gratitude very succinctly laid out how the event on that day was part of a much larger picture
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and that larger picture is what people care about and is the insurrection yeah and along the way you
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can hear alex trying to lay out his standard talking point rebuttals but destiny will clearly
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have prepared and know the truth about those points a real tragedy is bad jumping in and
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trying to field this one about hawaii whereas destiny definitely could have handled it better
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and quicker i hate to say this but i think that destiny might do better against alex glenn and
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darren three on one oh by a wide margin yeah you get the sense that bed is just kind of get it
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gonna get in the way they are not helpful no but they're trying and so they just yeah i mean it's
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like they just do not it is it is 100 a knife to a gunfight with the bed i do think so it's just
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like listen fellas nothing against you no but yeah nothing against you might also get in a few
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slashes sure you know it's possible but you're not gonna win that you're not gonna win you should
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stay home but alex can also destroy his own points which he does with this jfk thing that is fair
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trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory
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crap that none of the election was stolen hold on they did he took it to court 62 cases that's
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30 cases were looked at on merit so are they they're all shot down now that's a separate
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that's a separate form of election theft is taking some of the ballot let's get back to the
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1960s oh you can clearly see how alex's point with 1960 in the hawaii electors is falling apart and
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so he tries to pivot into talking about trump in colorado and uh it's unsuccessful yeah to to the
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to bed's credit you know it's reeling it back in to the point that they were discussing and so uh
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uh whichever one of the cries and stains it is tries to finish up explaining the jfk situation
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yeah what happened was that they did a recount and kennedy ended up winning by i think 150 votes
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and they chose the kennedy electors they certify the kennedy electors and kennedy ended up winning
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that state that's what trump said what trump did was trump tried to get the states to certify an
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alternate slate of electors they refused because the court said there's no no they're there and
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then when that didn't go through trump decided to get his own slate of electors above the states
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that were not certified and tried to use that to force mike pence to say that joe biden didn't
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win these electoral votes i just need to interject really quickly so if we want to be precise in
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terms of the scope of the debate i think it's about january 6 and so the lead up to it might
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be relevant to some of the criminal indictments but it's technically speaking outside the scope
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of i'm sorry excuse me discussion no no no there um wow it's so weird o'darren has a problem with
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this going off the selected topic now someone get a wheelbarrow because those balls are
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fucking huge you didn't seem to have a problem with alex and ian playing a clip from a speech
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biden gave last night and alex rambling about kamala harris bailing out hardened criminals
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that sure was fine but now when you want to discuss the context of what led to the events
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of january 6 no no no that is outside the scope of the debate that i i do want to hit him i do feel
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like oh i i should be able to punch him one time maybe a pie yeah i think that one with cream pie
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listen how dare you this is outside the scope of the debate because if you include it it's a lot
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harder for people on darren's team spin their bullshit yeah because the context of what happened
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is not a simple matter of illustrating intent on trump's part it also illustrates the persistent
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and aggressive ways trump was priming the people at the capital to do exactly what they did yeah
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it helps make it clear how that uh could have happened without antifa provocateurs needed
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bringing this fuller picture into the conversation leaves less room for people like darren to insist
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that agents provocateur are the only logical explanation for what happened and i think this
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splitting hairs about the word knowingly is a bad idea the people on trump's team absolutely knew
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that their election fraud claims are lies i mean yeah but i'm interested to see the direction that
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destiny takes to try and push back on this because i do a ball could break in a number of directions
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i'll tell you splitting hairs on adverbs always a bad move always a bad move yeah yeah because
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you could do a lot of things differently ways i expected better of myself that didn't even make
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sense you know what you know what the problem is are you gonna edit that out no i'm not i'll leave
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it in i i can i can wear uh wear my scars you i've never heard you edit anything out for that reason
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before but that i think you might no i won't and i'll explain why i i think i tried to make some
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kind of a pun that i could use to move along or something it's because i'm keenly aware of how
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many clips there are and it's just it's a it's a burden that weighs on me oh jeez um but we're
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we're gonna we're gonna survive all right we're gonna survive people like long episodes sure so
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darren uh he explains here that um trump trump legitimately thought he won and then shit falls
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apart okay the idea that trump thought that he lost the election and he was knowingly lying
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and knowingly engaging no he believes i guarantee it whether you believe it or not trump believes
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that the election was stolen and he was using the legal recourses available to him at the advice of
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his legal advisors that is that is not true most of his legal advisors most of his legal advisors
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said most of his legal advisors said that this idea was well no but if you start hard enough
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most of his research hard enough anybody to validate an opinion but what you've just done
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is what i opened with which is saying he thought the election was stolen therefore he was justified
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to engage in insurrection that's right that's for the supreme court to decide that's for the supreme
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court i'm asking the question that's i'm telling you that's for the supreme court to decide pretty
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clear answer yep i guess the best case scenario for darren beattie here is that trump's a delusional
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moron who got tricked by nefarious legal advisors into trying to overturn an election four more
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years it doesn't seem good four more years i don't want to psychoanalyze people but i wouldn't be too
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surprised if somewhere deep down trump definitely knew that he lost but his ego wouldn't allow him
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to accept that so he embraced a firm external posture of denial in practice that would be
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indistinguishable from someone actually thinking that they won it's possible sure but you can see
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how things are gonna go alex says accurately assess the destiny prepared and isn't going to
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be tricked by his stupid evasions so there's just gonna be a lot of yelling yeah there's going to be
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interruptions yelling i believe i believe that this is the one true thing that i will 100 take
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credit for i called that what the yelling i called trump not leaving office oh yeah and the thing is
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i still think and i think the reason is still the same and i think we're seeing it right now
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is because as long as you're the president you can't go to jail and now the question is can you
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if you're not president if you were president can you but then can you avoid future jail by
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becoming the president again exactly yes it's all about the jail yeah well i mean these are
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interesting legal questions it'll be good to have uh solid answers too yeah so um we had that uh
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there uh alex badgering destiny for an answer doesn't he gives an answer yeah and not the right
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answer we're just gonna yell over you there's some more yelling okay okay that's right that's for the
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supreme court i'm asking a question that's i'm telling you that's for the supreme court to decide
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according to according to section three of the 14th amendment that take people off the ballot
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what that's that's not even remotely relevant here oh okay all right so you know what you know what
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you know the united states we usually here we got we have independence if we do want an insurrection
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you'd know it let's bring it be for things like circumventing the vote like asking the
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vice president for instance to unilaterally win the election that would be something that we
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might thank you for somebody because they make up a bunch of stuff and he's not found guilty anywhere
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but you guys just parroted over you're like if you don't like the constitution that's your fault
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if you don't like the constitution really then why are you saying that section three of amendment 14
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requires a conviction a minute alex why did you say that section three of amendment 14 requires
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a conviction on stream i would love to do that actually all right guys i don't care what they
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would have to find you guilty oh boy i was good a chilling thing that alex said there is that if
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we were doing an insurrection you'd know it which seems very cool and very chill alex got so fucking
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lost there that he had to retreat to transphobia with the two men having a baby business is that
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what he was doing yeah that's what he was doing jesus christ that's his desperate times that man
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desperate he doesn't know who he's dealing with here though destiny has debated a ton of really
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horrible people who say terrible things and he's seen a lot of distraction tactics firsthand
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he knows how to deal with them if alex thinks this kind of shit is a gotcha he's in for a long day of
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yelling yeah it's interesting to see here though uh that when alex is floundering the reinforcements
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come around and there seems to be a little bit more moderation that's so weird so weird just
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just you know what and also i'm out i'm out on the constitution now too after i find out that
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all these uh boston tea partiers if they had lost the revolutionary war would have just whined like
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alex wait wait hold on now i'm out on the whole constitution the constitution because whole
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country because i'm out you've thrown it out because of counterfactual hypothetical
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you've decided in your head about what would have happened if they lost the revolution okay okay
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that sound that sound my man well it's about it's what would happen to my brain if i was forced to
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listen to the entire debate i would be like you're right no more constitution country bad
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ah coked out thomas jefferson arguing with a british destiny i would i would watch that
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so anyway this shit goes on and we'll let's hear from we'll slow down uh this is a great
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conference glenn glenn's about to drop some knowledge i'm dominating yeah you're talking a
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lot um glenn glenn's glenn's in remote from brazil so glenn anytime you have something to say it's
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helpful for me if i see a visual cue maybe your hand goes up i can tell you have something you're
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going to say now but let us know let me let me just say what happens is when you gather together
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to debate a particular question you're supposed to debate that particular question the particular
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particular question that we were presented with is we're going to debate january 6 and whether it
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was an insurrection now i don't blame destiny and ed for not wanting to debate that for wanting to
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debate a whole set of other issues what the fuck if glenn is so upset that destiny thinks the
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question of whether january 6 is an insurrection involves the events that led up to and caused it
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why the fuck is he showing the same ire towards alex for complaining about joe biden's recent
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speech and playing a clip from it or his incessant shit about colorado taking trump off the ballot
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seems like only one side is capable of being off topic and that's because glenn's a goddamn dipshit
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well that was ridiculous i i am i am gentleman gentleman gentleman you know i'm i'm truly
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fascinated by people who can like physically sit in the same room as people who are lying to them
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and gaslighting them for a length of time uh-huh like i can be in the room with somebody who lied
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to me but if you are continuing to lie to me that's like i have to go i'm physically nothing
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good is coming i get so angry you know i have to go and so to have somebody like glenn greenwald
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say that like oh well he's not the same room he's remote he's in brazil exactly that's what i'm
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saying like oh i'll break the screen i will destroy that screen sir how fucking dare you
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yeah it's a little much it's a little much and at the end of the day if this is a sincere complaint
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it's about the moderation yeah this is a this should be a complaint directed right at ian that
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is it that is the most weaselly like oh i can see my opponents don't even want to talk about
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the issue fuck you yeah i will hit you yeah he's a condescending prick throughout oh my god but on
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the issue of whether there was a real belief on the part of donald trump that elections were
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stolen i don't understand how anybody could doubt that aside from the fact that you have to get into
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trump's head in the last three elections that democrats lost in 2000 2004 and 2016 a very
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a very large number of democrats believed and asserted that the election was stolen that the
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election was stolen and was only stolen two out of those three times it was as a result oh four was
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i started writing about politics to them the idea that george bush was the real loser of the election
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al gore one was the view of every single liberal and democrat that i knew in 2004 there were
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objections claiming that carl rove had interfered in the ohio vote with the debald machines and
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cheated to make john carrey lose and john and and george bush when alex said that in 2016 hillary
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clinton and the democrats said that donald trump was the illegitimate winner that russia had helped
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him and they tried to convince the electoral college to abandon the certified results of the
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state obviously you go back to to 1960 and there's a lot of historians believe that election was
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stolen so it's not like donald trump was the first person to ever wonder or believe that an election
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was stolen from him it's a very significant tradition in american political history if
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you know anything about politics before 2016 and if trump believed that the election was stolen
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and while it's true a lot of people in the just department and a lot of people in the white house
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told them they didn't think it was he did have advisors and lawyers telling them telling him
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that they that they think there was evidence of it then the question is over even on these other
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issues about whether or not trump engaged in some conspiracy against the united states but the issue
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is is january 6th an insurrection well that's right but i mean glenn glenn since they let's let's let's
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yeah uh oh man those examples that uh glenn brought up sure are interesting
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can you think of anything that makes all of them different than the 2020 election something like
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really glaring like how all of those democratic candidates explored legal avenues and then
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promptly conceded to their opponents also the 2020 or i'm sorry the 2000 election was stolen
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just by the supreme court not by a particular candidate necessarily literally stolen i remember
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2004 and i swung in some fairly left-wing groups who hated bush and i don't think the carrie was
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a victim of election theft thing was a hot talking point there was some talk about the die-bold
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voting machines but that was because prior to the 2004 election their entire software system like
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all of it was leaked because all of it was leaked people were able to pour over everything and
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identify all kinds of potential vulnerabilities which were definitely there but there wasn't
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evidence that the vulnerabilities were actually exploited the reason that ohio was of particular
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interest was because diebold ceo walden o'dell sent a letter promoting a bush fundraiser that
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included him saying quote i'm committed to helping ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president
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next year which naturally raised some eyebrows it does not sound good when you're the election
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voting machine guy right yeah that's trouble this shit is apples and oranges compared to 2020 and
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glenn fucking knows that justifying that trump could possibly rationally think the election was
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stolen in the immediate aftermath of the election doesn't do anything to justify the actions taken
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in service of propping up that falsehood which are actions that all the previous people hillary
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uh carrie and gore didn't do yeah and they're things that led up to and caused the inflection
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point of the insurrection which is january 6th you can sure tell at the end there that alex is
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trying to direct traffic and it's in the direction away from letting destiny talk everyone on alex's
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side is committed to the bit and alex knows he can steamroll the krasnosteen so he's trying to
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get uh you know you guys uh let's get to talk here it's just it's just no fun it's just no fun
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i want to be the guy who threw the tea off the fucking thing you know and then whenever people
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stole an election yeah you know why they you know why they conceded because they're losers
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that's why gore quit oh they steal the election no gore quit because he's a loser he sucks right
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he's a loser who quit not like trump not like trump he fought for it right that's the that's
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the argument not like no everything i do it fuck quit whining you tried to take over a country
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that's weak yeah i'm not i'm not sure i would say that glenn is someone who i would put in
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the camp of trying to take over the country but he's rationalizing it for sure yeah he's
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running cover yeah but hey man he is a real condescender so anyway bed tries to explain
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the differences between all those examples that glenn gave yeah alex is not here we go
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can i talk about the differences so bush versus gore what happens is the supreme court ruled
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and gore conceded he stopped saying this election was stolen he stopped saying i won
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that was supreme court yes did gore refuse to certify the vote i don't remember did he do that
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vote was certified oh he didn't have an alternative side of electors exactly so after
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wanted a supreme court hearing trump wanted the same thing that's sarcasm killed cases were
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brought before judges and you said earlier none of them are based on evidence six of them were
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based on standing six out of the 60 they wouldn't even hear it you know how many of them were uh
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trump appointed judges that made those rollings 17 so six six of six of them let me finish here
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six of them were based on standing four of those that were based on standing the judge also
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analyzed the merits and said there was no evidence or insufficient evidence so only two of them and
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that was texas versus pennsylvania and gomer versus pence do you know what those two cases
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were no i know what the cases are texas tried to you know i agree with you biden says inflation's
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fine right now i really let me finish holy shit that bit at the end there that's just pure
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distilled pathetic bed has actually looked into these cases and prepared whereas alex is just
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skim memes and yells a lot so he's in a much better position to discuss the details which
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is threatening to alex yeah he has no idea which cases bed is talking about because to him they're
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all one big ball of an attack on trump he knows nothing so when bed tries to explain to him this
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in very simple terms alex has to deflect by throwing out something about biden and inflation
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he's just a child like this is how kids argue and to be fair he's crushing it in kids rules arguing
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that's why he said he was dominating earlier because he thinks these deflections are working
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they're not but it honestly doesn't matter anyone watching this has their mind made up so alex is
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playing to his audience they'll hear him desperately try to avoid talking about details about the cases
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that trump has lost by bringing up biden and inflation and think it's a savage dunk in many
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ways i i think that clip truly encapsulates the futility of interacting with alex and having
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debates like this to begin with yeah you know you just got like real information alex saying that
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none of these cases were heard explaining that only two of them were thrown out simply uh because
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of uh uh you know the procedural stuff yeah and alex just saying well i believe in biden and
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inflation he says good it's like what what's the point you're not gonna get anywhere oh yeah no
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and i think i mean literally the casting is already an issue like if i'm if i'm alex listening
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to this i think the audience that i the audience that's come to this show they're going to listen
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to that and they're not going to get the substance they're going to go boring talking too long you
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know like it might as well just be like hey alex here's your second tactic let them talk a lot and
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your people will just get so bored right that i mean and i think alex as much as that's a
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distraction too i think alex is just like he might be bored you can't still be talking you can't
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still be talking i mean you're so boring you're so fucking boring it's possible and uh you know
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destiny uh you know for better or worse is not in that same he understands because of his experience
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and doing these debates and stuff like that um he knows uh and that's why i kind of resent that he's
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not just jumping in it should be yeah he should just be completely like fucking around yeah
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absolutely and yeah and he's he's not which which does make this drag a little bit yeah but there
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is some chaos coming okay and it maybe starts a little bit here with uh bed trying to explain the
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cases that were thrown out from standing right to alex oh and like you're saying i mean there's a
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part of it that is bored by details boring yeah let me finish texas tried suing pennsylvania
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michigan wisconsin several other states saying that the election was stolen and the judge said
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no texas can't sue these other states somebody in that state who was affected had to sue them
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now the other case was gomer versus pence he challenged the twirl counts act of 1807
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saying that pence could overturn the electorate the election he said and i think that's wrong
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i agree with you i think that was a wrong only two that were no no i agree with you on that
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what i'm saying is then if biden's gonna win so big why can't trump be on the ballot
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that's not up for biden to decide that's up for this oh no biden said he wants him off the ballot
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it doesn't matter what biden says oh that's why he can't have his race car on the on the track
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uh yeah this horse is gonna lose so it can't be in the race bull crap what do you think has the
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authority then to determine the interpretation of amendment 14 man i know the state department
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why can't you answer a single question why not just answer one question why do you think man
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it's a simple question who is the authority ultimately excited has not the president on cnn
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matters of constitution let me talk because you want to answer the question let alex it has not
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been a ramble he's not gonna even on cnn the legal analysts say that you have to be convicted so
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destiny you can sit there and have blue hair and be trending and make all these like the
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moon is made of cheese i'm destiny he's not every american knows you don't lose your rights when
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you're not convicted he's not been convicted and and here's the good news it's backfiring
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people we have the declaration of independence and we can vote for who we want to no you can't
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well 35 you can't vote for non-citizens but can you can you nobody stole the
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all right physical challenge i think we just we just beat this into the ground alex i need you
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uh we just crushed this one into the ground but i crushed it question in a slightly different way
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was this an attempted coup jesus i'm sorry did we just go back to square one holy shit did we just
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go back to square one man with a synonym how fucking dare you it's admirable on some level
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that bad is trying to explain to alex only two of trump's legal cases were rejected on standing
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alone and the rest are due to lack of merit right alex always says that none of trump's cases were
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even heard at all and all thrown out on standing so it's valuable to push back on that but you
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can see here what that does yeah no good yeah do you think anyone watching this that previously
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was inclined to agree with alex heard that explanation and thought huh maybe alex isn't
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right about those cases i think it's unlikely yeah that was a fun yelling match that broke out though
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it seems like they turned down destiny's mic which makes sense yeah this is taking place at alex's
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studio presumably with his crew and zero hedge is paying for it so he's got a bit of home court
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advantage the moderator has clips for alex to play yes yeah if they aren't gonna do anything
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meaningful and the moderators is gonna be this shitty that this is what i want i want destiny
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and alex going back and forth because destiny can handle alex's attempts at deflection and has way
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better ability to focus than alex yep i hypothesize that if left to their own devices in front of a
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camera they would just keep talking at each other like this and alex would then punch destiny and
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call him a slur do you think so yeah i think they may be trapped in this uh for all eternity and
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we'll put them underneath a slow snow globe and then we can all just kind of jump in i mean it's
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they'll show where the universe schrodinger's punch you know like i do i think alex would get
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physical eventually because destiny would just keep like in this next clip you're gonna hear he
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does kind of start trolling alex because he realizes this is going nowhere yeah and so he
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does fuck with him a little bit and left with enough time i think they'll get under alex's skin
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i i mean i think the i the irony of it is to me like it should already be physical if that makes
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that because there's no point in talking to alex you know like i i agree with you somewhat i mean
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not that they should be fighting but it doesn't make sense that they're not it doesn't make sense
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that you're talking this is stupid and and considering how the yacked out alex is yeah
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what are we doing this can only be handled one way so anyway here comes the trolling okay you
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guys think this was an attempted coup of course it was obviously the hunter biden laptop oh my god
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weaponization emails censorship rush again yeah there's no connection that's all mrna vaccines
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take your extra i want you to take all the warming shots you have none yet you want to take some no
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i i hope you answer one question about any i want to see you take them all i can enjoy yourself
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democrats more than the republicans on the january 6th debate isn't that wild is that crazy they now
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admit does the shot erases your immune system and does it protect you there we go there we are come
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on covid yeah yeah let's let's let's stay back all right guys back to topic so so is it a coup
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that's the question yeah that's so i i i think it's it can be debated an attempt to get a definite
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definitely i would say it's an attempted coup okay so your argument your answer is basically
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the same to the first question of is it an interaction it's subjective you could be argued
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holy shit thanks grandma yeah but that was a little fun i mean that's what that's what you're
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yeah that's what sucks about this is that like it's kind of so stupid and meaningless yeah that
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those points are actually fun no they get exciting because something's happening these these two are
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yelling at each other it's like it's like they when they booked it they tried to serve all the
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masters you know you they tried to make it so destiny and alex would fight and that's what
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everybody would enjoy right but then they also wanted to have uh glenn greenwald and the kraassen
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steen brothers say smart stuff glenn gives some sort of veneer of credibility and then because
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of his status again betty has a hole in the universe where betty is supposed to be yeah
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and i think the kraassensteens you know they have huge twitter followings sure stuff so there is a
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attention-based reason that you would have them on right but i mean they they and greenwald seem
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like that's where they're supposed to be they're boring and serving a purpose it's like destiny
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and alex are supposed to fight i don't know if you've seen the best of the best i have all
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right it's been a while but yeah man what a great terrible movie yeah but yeah and it's it's lined
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up like that each way you know one-on-one kind of whoever wins the battle royale that sounds right
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blood sport blood sport kumite kuma yes please so alex just keeps interrupting
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and then mike down for this because the craziest thing uh comes out of his mouth okay definitely
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i would say it's an attempted coup and a federal the coup is flooding the border district judge
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u.s district judge david carter actually evaluated the trump eastman scheme and he said we got some
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big news i'm not interrupting you no no no no no no no no not that yet uh but we had glenn glenn's
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going to speak after you were i'm sorry i'll shut up now so to the federal judge u.s district judge
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david carter evaluated the trump eastman scheme another lawyer we can go into later but basically
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he said that it was it was quote a coup in search of a legal theory this is a federal judge so a
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judge we have a cia coup over america hey the cia kill kennedy judges aren't part of the cia
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oh my god i don't think so um okay you you gotta go home now yeah the moment you said the moment
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alex says breaking news and you respond with judges aren't part of the cia you gotta go home
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you're not meant for this place yeah you gotta get out of here you're you're too prone to being
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tricked by the curveball yeah you're not supposed to this isn't for you yeah you're gonna strike out
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looking so uh yeah judges are part of the cia you got you got you got pushed there yeah that's you
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that's on you man it is yeah yeah honestly what the fuck is happening though what is happening
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what does alex have a bit prepared even the completely useless moderator is begging alex
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to just shut the fuck up alex is just a coked out idiot who can't control himself and let anyone
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else talk and how could anyone sincerely think this would go any other way yeah like sweet
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summer dipshits thinking they were gonna have a debate when you invite alex jones unreal breaking
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news i'm so mad at people for not listening to our show before doing a debate with alex jones
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yeah and then they could just be like oh we cancel it's an open question whether or not i would have
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helped destiny uh if i were reached out to but i will say that i was not so that uh in case anyone
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was curious about that oh it didn't even occur to me that they might reach out to you the person
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that would make sense to reach out to yeah oh well what you gonna do yep so glenn uh has an
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interesting uh rejoinder question that he thinks probably is a gotcha sure and uh he's a great
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debater he is yeah the question that you asked me is is is this a coup if you look at how other coups
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are perpetrated and i think a lot of this is that if you're an american you have this very soft
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history you don't know what a coup is you think that like what cnn tells you a coup is a coup
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usually the way coups work is the leader of the country whoever is in charge of the military
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orders the military to seize control of the levers of power trump was the commander in chief on
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january 6th the military was duty bound to obey his orders they had a right to disobey if they
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were illegal but if this were a coup why didn't trump order the military to seize control of the
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power of power and turn over the election process to him why didn't he order the armed factions
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that formed the law enforcement part of the military and the executive branch that served
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under his command to do that as well that's what happened in the coup that didn't happen here
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because trump wasn't trying to perpetrate a coup he wanted this the department of defense to seize
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voting machines and the doj turned him down and told the worst thing he did was try to take
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biden off the ballot remember when trump said biden cannot run and have a just department take
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biden off the ballot oh god that was biden sorry i i i'm sorry sarcasm is undefeated so far so
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biden doesn't have the authority to do that he still doesn't have the supreme court that trump
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has his picks on that's currently six three considered they're the ones who are going to
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make the final decision on that so that whole thing the entire setup that glenn used to
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invalidate the idea that this was an attempted coup was shattered in an instant by a kressenstein
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yeah that's very sad that's dark why didn't trump use the military oh he tried to get the
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dod to seize voting machines just a dipshit stepping on a rake as for why trump didn't
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tell the military to take over with him on the sixth it's probably because he was a coward and
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he realized he'd probably be killed or maybe he thought that the violence that he refused to
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repeated requests to call for an end to would be enough to push for the administrative coup
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so the risk of actual military takeover uh stuff wasn't necessary yeah maybe because trump was
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sequestered in a safe room and the people around him wouldn't have let that fly i mean who knows
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there's plenty of reasons that aren't because it wasn't a coup yeah but here you can tell that
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alex has essentially given up on engaging with anything anyone says yeah well not at all he's
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just fully committed to interrupting anytime someone says something that goes against his
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narratives yep when bed has a quick answer to glenn's dumb question alex slides right in to
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interrupt and deflect with nonsense about biden taking trump off the ballot he's a total idiot
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but there is a strategic idiocy and where and how he's interrupting and deflecting sure sure i mean
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uh there's a strategic idiocy with uh when uh that guy moves his puppets mouths you know to make him
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say the mean things uh-huh and you're like oh that puppet's so mean it's not actually the puppet no
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it's a puppet me puppet you remember that i do remember that oh so anyway uh destiny has a
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complaint about the debate sure what what could that be i wanted to be known that every single
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time you try to talk about any of the stuff related to trump it's so many democrat names
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that comes out of people's mouths i don't know why people can't just engage on the facts of
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what happened on and in the events leading up to hey hey hey direction without having to invoke
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every other democrat no name calling no his name's ding dong ding dong destiny whatever it is the
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point is i was there i was there no name calling what a this is so childish well it is unreal it
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is a good rule for a debate maybe to have a no name calling rule it shouldn't be a rule you need
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to have and it's it's probably you've booked wrong if you need if you need to have a rule
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you've already chosen wrong and if you evoke it and then the person immediately calls the guy
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ding dong again yep you kind of are like well i'm i'm impotent to stop with no with no consequences
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whatsoever there are no rules yeah yeah kumite
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okay who's who's who in the kumite hmm i'm sorry now i'm in my head blood sport going
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through and bd van damme darren bd is not van damme sir i've forgotten the character's names
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um who the drunk guy is alex the drunk guys for sure alex yeah yeah uh i mean he's he really could
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just be alex yeah so destiny tries to explain here why january 6th was a unique uh event and
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it was uniquely bad yeah and um alex is i mean his whole thing comes down to just kind of like
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i was there listen to me i was there i was there lcd sound system that a president of the united
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states would do everything with within his power to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the
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next president he said i want you to peacefully march down that is a uniquely horrible event to
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the capital what was bad was him watching the riot happen for three hours and doing nothing
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no no it took him no it was the riot was happening he spoke for an hour and a half
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it started then then he got back to the white house watched it like 30 40 minutes and then
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shot a video no you're lying he got back to the white house mark meadows delivered a note
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on his desk that ashley babbitt had been shot and he sat there sipping diet coke for an hour and a
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half the guy that you call your leader how many how many I was there how many pardons did trump
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do for the patriots they got unfairly charged with crimes i was there why didn't donald trump
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aren't any of those people why didn't donald trump i've seen the timelines there's not gonna be there's not gonna be an answer to this because there's not you're scared to answer
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any questions they claimed every single page for almost an hour and a half what what just keep it
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one at a time it's capital when he first started speaking so you had an hour and a half long didn't
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exist i was there keep it one at a time means let alex speak because he's too coked up to stop
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talking yeah we can we can stop you from talking but we can't stop him so it turns out you're the
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one who's got to shut up so just to clarify the timeline because alex is 100 wrong here are the
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basic beats yeah people broke through the police barricades at around 1 p.m trump finished his
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speech at the ellipse at 1 10 p.m and wanted to go to the capital where people were already fighting
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with the police but his security didn't allow it at 119 trump arrived back to the white house
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trump stayed in a private room in the white house from 125 to 4 p.m watching fox news right around
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2 p.m riders began entering the capital it became uh it's probably around this time that harrison
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smith is on air on infowars celebrating the fall of the capital and announcing the patriots had
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taken it back yeah by two people like pat cipollone have tried to get trump to intervene
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to stop what was happening but mark meadow said that trump didn't want to at 224 trump tweets
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quote mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country
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and our constitution at the time he was fully aware that his supporters had stormed the capital
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he was egging them on even margery taylor green contacts mark meadows to tell him to get trump
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to quote calm people which maybe is part of why trump ends up tweeting quote please support our
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capital police and law enforcement they're truly on the side of our country stay peaceful at 228.
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this is tea party shit man fucking throw the tea or go home honestly that is a ridiculous
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treat for trump to have said given the circumstances pathetic on all fronts yeah
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ashley babbitt is shot at 244 pm at 253 donald junior tries to get meadows to convince trump
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to condemn this shit asap meadows replies quote i'm pushing it hard people keep telling him to
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tell the mob to disperse but trump refuses to it isn't until 417 pm that trump releases his
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video where he says quote i know your pain i know you're hurt we love you you're very special you've
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seen what happens you've seen the way the others are treated i know how you feel but go home and
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going home in peace so when destiny says that he didn't do anything for an hour and a half after
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babbitt got shot that's almost exactly correct and it was about three hours from when he got back to
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the white house and started watching fox news until he put out that video alex is just lying
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he was there though you know he wasn't in the room though it hadn't it hadn't really sunk in until
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just now quite how much everybody around trump was at fault for not successfully taking over
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the country they could have done it they totally could have done it but all the people around
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trump wanted him to stop um that's weak yeah well i mean i mean i'm glad i'm glad that we
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don't live in the trump autocracy that's that's good it's weak going by their own sort of uh
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measure it is like you i can't it's it's actually kind of really hard for me to believe that they
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spent so long uh just licking the asshole of trump for them to suddenly have like the opportunity like
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you could have done it they could have had the whole united states to themselves they could all
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they had to do is just be like yeah let's fucking do it let's just pull the trigger on it well
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weak teeth it's that it's that dilemma of if the person next to me isn't on board i'm gonna die
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sure you know and i think that that uh maybe limits a lot of people's uh recklessness i mean
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i i totally get it but it is the difference between uh you know i'd rather die than have
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to do this this is i'd rather die than have to be like no it wasn't an insurrection no just kill me
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in the fight so um uh bed uh brings up the idea of were there weapons there sure and uh this leads
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to a problem for alex so you're there alex so tell me were there weapons there no nobody
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is weapons so are you telling yeah you know you're right you got me he's gonna say the cops yeah they
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shot ashley babbitt and they threw people off the obstacle off the balcony and they beat a woman's
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brain there were 75 nobody shot a woman nobody beat a woman beat a woman on the ground that's
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a fake video that got put out that wasn't real babbitt's fake folks wow i like how you would
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think that years after the event we're now getting unreleased footage like three and a half hours
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how would that take years to my god everybody on everybody on x kim saying they didn't beat a woman
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to death everybody watching yeah yeah let's you just screwed yourself all right i asked you about
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got your ass
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sports game i think i will take physical challenges off the of the plate yeah so
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alex is doing this big pageant because he knows that bed wasn't talking about the police when he
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asked about weapons he was asking about the shitload of weapons that trump supporters had
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yeah a dude named jared barger was just sentenced the other day for carrying a loaded nine millimeter
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uh semi-automatic into the capital on january 6th that's not a good idea there's so many weapons
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like tasers brass knuckles batons and blades that were confiscated alex doesn't want to have to
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recognize this because his version of the story is it was just a peaceful bunch of nice people
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walking on a sightseeing tour through the capital you notice the misdirect alex does with destiny
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here too destiny is pointing out that alex is citing a fake story about a woman being beaten
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to death but because alex knows that destiny is correct and he's lying about this story alex
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pretends what destiny is saying is ashley babbitt wasn't shot yeah instead of dealing with how he's
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been called out for an indefensible lie he's starting to project an indefensible position
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onto destiny which he didn't say for some context this is about a deceptively edited video that was
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pushed in right wing media that claimed to show police beating rosanne boyland who tragically
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died that day she's the person who glenn greenwald earlier referred to as the person who died of an
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amphetamine overdose this disrespectful ass fake video was used by shitheads like alex until it
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was roundly debunked but by this point alex is counting on people not remembering that it was
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an edited video unfortunately destiny knows so to get himself out of that jam alex is forced to
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pretend destiny said something entirely different than he did it's really hard to imagine someone
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paying attention and not seeing through alex's really infantile rhetorical tricks yeah i get
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alex is pretending that he won this exchange but boyland and ashley babbitt were the only two women
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who died that day so he's just wrong and i know this gets lost in the background sometimes but
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this is incredibly disrespectful this is a person who died and this is how alex is talking about
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him he's just a piece of shit yeah and this like i gotcha i that's gonna come to characterize uh
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quite a bit of this yeah yeah it is it is like uh if you're if you're if i'm listening to this
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and i'm thinking i don't like where the country is you know what gotta go back in time to deal with
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that you know it's too late to debate thomas jefferson i mean we gotta go back we gotta go
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way back further because this is what we this is where we are now this is who we are it is
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unfortunate that it's a snapshot yep yep um what you gonna do so anyway bed tries to get back to
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the weapons thing and just alex will not shut up oh god so you said the weapons were the fed
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shooting ashley babbitt what about um how about the guy who the three men on the corner of 14th
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and independence who had ar-15s how about oh they use those they didn't use them but oh oh oh
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what about the pipe bomb i asked you a question who's that alex i asked you a question people
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had weapons how about the how many weapons were seized like hey 75 of the people arrested within
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the capitol building had weapons let's uh we have a couple of knives and stuff
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how about guy ref it the what is he three percenter or three percent nuclear weapons
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like biden handgun on the stairs of the capitol they had a hand as as he was encouraging that's
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worse at pearl harbor as he was saying telling people to go into the capitol as he was saying
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he wants to drag nancy pelosi out of the capitol and hopes her head hits every
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point before you cut me off he wanted to drag nancy pelosi out and let her head hit
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every stair on the way out he he said yeah and i got pooped on palosi alex so we don't
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let ed finish this point because we're gonna go to darren really quick he said on his way to the
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capitol building that they're gonna take the capitol and put insert their own government
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yeah well i mean that's kind of overthrowing like martians invading and blowing the earth up
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it like like glenn ringwald said his intention wasn't an insurrection are you saying his
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intention wasn't an insurrection he's saying he's gonna drag nancy pelosi out he's saying
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and he wasn't under trump's command all right you can finish your point and then we're gonna
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go to darren can we use a mute button or something on alex oh yeah i'm not gonna be run over so
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the capitol building this is my fucking studio yeah come on try and stop my own government
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he had a handgun on the stairs of the capitol saying he's gonna drag nancy pelosi and mitch
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mcconnell out but you don't have a problem with that that's not that's a gun what do you think
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darren he didn't use a gun because he didn't have the opportunity to shoot nancy pelosi or mike
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pence that's okay he didn't have access to them that was okay thankfully the capitol police
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oh what about the capitol what about the q shaman what about the q shaman they let in
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all right okay the capitol police is what you want to repeat you can't vote for trump now a guy had
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a gun i've been asked by zero hedge to moderate this debate so that's what i'm going to do everyone
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quiet down we're going to darren beatty what's the question here oh man so there's no point
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pretending a moderator is going to be able to handle alex yeah he only responds to force and
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he's not scared of anyone in that room yeah he's emotionally afraid of destiny but he could
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probably kick destiny's ass so alex will constantly badger him and he's fine with that yep the only
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answer is a mute button and alex is coked out ass it would just steal the mic next to him and yell
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so loud that it's picked up on your mic too it's his studio so good fucking luck with a mute button
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yep and yeah ian zero hedge asked you to moderate this debate but it was so shit like this would
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happen would happen yes yeah you don't ask alex to join an event ever if you're looking for a calm
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reasoned conversation you want a show and alex knows he has to give a show because he's got
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nothing else yeah pretty sad stuff all around uh bed is clearly trying to illustrate that there
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were a ton of weapons there which is important because alex said there weren't and alex is
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trying to deflect down every possible avenue he sees to keep things off track oh well thankfully
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they went to beanie at the end there though who might have just been woken up from a nap
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i don't know where he is you know and that's nonsense that's such that's such a terrible
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thing for alex to do because i do think there's such a there's a good response to to that which
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is just like man if our if the country gets overthrown by like a hundred people with knives
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and shit that is on us that is on us it's it indicates an organizational weakness we should
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we deserve to have been if you can if a hundred guys with knives can overthrow the country
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we deserve it we have it coming yeah i'll take that and i think that uh you know you could also
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stake a pretty decent position of like just saying it's okay for people to have weapons yeah
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you know oh i can't have them on the capitol because uh they're so special i mean are they
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more special than children at schools because you won't let me carry those at schools but
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well i i think that well alex wants people to have guns it's cool i think i think that there
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is a difference between having a like a like a knife in your pocket incidentally sure and having
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an intention of using a knife sure and i think that you know having brass knuckles or or bear
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mace and that kind of stuff that's a little different i'm not fighting the jets man i'm
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not the sharks we're not doing brass knuckles i have my brass knuckles rolling up in my shirt
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sleeve right so alex uh talks a little bit about uh how he uh went to the january 6th committee
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and pled the fifth and shit yeah i wasn't just there on january 6th i was in that congressional
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hearing and took the fifth 98 times and not because i think to hide the fifth amendment
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isn't just to incriminate yourself it's because they wanted me in a perjury trap they were to have
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witnesses claims that wasn't true you think i think attacking the capitol makes us win an
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election yeah witnesses against your your their testimony versus you can't get you in perjury
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oh yeah just ask roger stone that question yeah explain the law to alex now now's the time you'll
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get it roger stone was was involved with wikileaks he worked here then he he couldn't get a hold of
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him i knew he told the truth he didn't tell anybody i'm behind the wikileaks they said roger
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stone ran wikileaks he never even talked to julian assad let's say he ran wikileaks no they get him
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i think this is getting all talk this is what makes you think that's off topic did a lot of
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congress when he said i don't know wiki i have not interviewed assad let's pull back to it darren i
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wanted to darren's gonna finish off what you were saying about this and i think glenn you were going
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to mention something after that and then i have a couple of clips that we're going to play but
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darren yeah i mean the january 6 hearings were a show trial of the sort that would make
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kim jong-il blush um explain it to him that's what you got that they wanted another one that
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was your he was napping that was your big deal actually hey let's go to baby for that we pick
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who the people are on our jury jim jordan was they wanted a a person on the committee who was being
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investigated by the committee how does that make oh my god when you're being investigated by the
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investigated by the democrats you don't i think a lot of people watching don't understand hey guys
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guys was elected does that matter the people that are listening don't have the context so if we
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start rapid fire argumentation a lot of people are going to lose interest you need to stay focused
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and listen to each other it's really important saying folks it's really hard for them to win
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their case it is really hard in their case when they have to stay focused it's all very hard with
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any of their views of reality it is possible i'm gonna go take a piss and i'll let you tell
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me all right i i gotta say i have no love for bed but he's getting a couple good clapbacks there
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sure sure i think alex very understandably underestimated him but it's kind of irrelevant
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since alex can clearly just easily yell over him and bet is too polite to really get into the dirt
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i mean he was afraid to say crap yeah alex just said i'm gonna go take a piss and
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can i say crap and let me make this perfectly clear yeah rapid fire arguing like this is not
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going to make people lose interest no i would love this is a freaking freak show everyone tuning in
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is tuning in on the off chance alex loses his shit and decides to eat one of the christens 100
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percent if anything the thing that's making this less interesting uh to me is how no points are
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ever really explored because alex can't stay on topic and you have a fucking dig dong betty in
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here alex is a coked out child so even when someone touches on a decent point worth getting
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into he'll remember that trump isn't on the colorado ballot and decide he needs to rant
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about it immediately yep curious what that breaking news was from earlier though i was
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thinking the same thing did they manufacture breaking news for alex to interrupt at a certain
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point i can tell you this much we're not going to get to it on this episode unreal you son of a
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cliffhanger will it happen next episode who's to say looks like we're all gonna go take a piss
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well speaking of that alex goes to take a piss okay and so that leaves uh the other participants
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to argue sure namely destiny and glenn if you look at how coups are carried out in other countries
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you could make a much better case that the black lives matter protest of 2020 was an insurrectionary
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movement and the reason it matters destiny is because if you're going to make arguments there
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has to be an important task which is do you apply the same principles you're claiming to profess and
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believe in to cases where it undermines your partisan allegiance and your ideology not only
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where it helps it that's one of the key tasks for determining the authenticity of your argument
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and so if you don't think the 2020 protest movement was an insurrectionary movement against
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the united states government there's no way to claim what january 6 was especially since
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trump could have done so much more to cause a coup that he did not do because that wasn't his
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aim ever if you want to talk about applying the same standard would you have been okay in the
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year 2000 if gore refused to certify the vote because he didn't like what's happening in florida
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a lot of democrats did want to answer that question glenn answer the question yes a lot
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of democrats were angry about that i'm not asking a lot of them i'm asking you would be okay personal
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if he refused to certify the vote i think there were two you want to answer the question in 2016
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would you have been okay would you back because if you really believe that an election is stolen
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if the democrats claim they did then it is kind of odd to say we're just going to concede that
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and allow george bush that is a good fucking point believe that he actually stole the election
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finally that is kind of an no it's not it's not it's not all that we live in a democracy there
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are appropriate forums through which you did they not battle that out in the court and they lost
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vigilantism directed at the government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to entrench your
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power to entrench your own power is an attempted coup that's what we told them to be peaceful
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sounds like a fucking baby there that's amazing i don't know why glenn wouldn't just bite the
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bullet and say that he'd be fine with gore doing exactly what trump did hell yeah you've got no
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stakes gore can't go back and do it now no but it's probably because he and darren are pretending
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that trump trump's claims didn't get a fair hearing sure they're invested in staying in
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that position and that kind of falls apart if you stake a firm uh answer to destiny's question
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gross also glenn must have no fucking idea who destiny is because he was super opposed to the
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rioting that accompanied some protests in 2020 you heard what he said about signing off on white
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militia dudes shooting protesters so that should give you some kind of idea if this is glenn's
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litmus test for sincerity of a person's opinion destiny passes that with flying colors which is
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a huge disaster for glenn yeah he really was counting on the person he's talking to not being
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able to denounce those protests and he just happens to be arguing with maybe the only person
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who has the political set that both passes his test and also is super into arguing yeah what a
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dipshit yeah i i i was really disappointed that that didn't actually blow up in his face
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because it really could have yeah instead destiny asks a question that glenn can't answer as opposed
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to just being like yes fine yeah and just deflating him entirely it is it is so fascinating
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to me because it seems like this is the type of shit that invalidates the entirety of the
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the point of any of these is that idea of when i am put to the question i am afraid of my own
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answer right it's just such a like oh well then there's then there's no point in talking in this
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forum we can only speak in a place where you are not afraid of your own answer only if there's
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chatham house rules and then you're not going to be doing this publicly um yeah i mean exactly it's
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like if unless you are able to be like this is open i am available then there's no point yeah
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yeah and if you're constantly trying to play defense about what your positions imply defense
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period what are we doing this is not an offense defense thing it is a condescension thing there
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is definitely that and glenn gets deep into the weeds on that and there's an ex-clip where he
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explains that a coup must have violence in it oh he's a condescension wonk yeah and then this
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nice and then this all his definition falls apart right in front of his face the legal process of
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the congressional and judicial process he went and tested if he had ordered the military or some
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other fbi or any of those agencies the cia to go and use violence on domestic soil in order to
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ignore those court rulings the way people do when they're trying to implement coups you would have
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a good argument he didn't do any of that he invoked all of his legal rights in the judiciary
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and in the congress he lost and he walked out of the white house on january 20th he did not have
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to be dragged out he wasn't uh arrested by the military which is what happens in coups so much
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of this is because you only started paying attention to politics in 2016 you only live in
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the united states you have no idea about history or anything that happens in other countries you
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have no idea what a coup is this is a coup you bring that up when you bring it up you're trying
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to use hawaii as an example for something that's comparable where both slates of electors were
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actually duly elected by the people there for in the 60s hawaii and south carolina these other
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historical examples that people go to for multiple states of electors are not at all comparable
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both of these things happen prior to 2016 there are no examples in us history or if you want to
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give me one since you know so much history part of 2016 give it to me is there any other examples
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in us history where the president is telling the vice president to unilaterally not certify the
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vote has that ever happened before that's a totally separate question what to say yeah happened on
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january 6th it doesn't matter if it's the first time that it ever happened even if it's the first
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time or the 10th time it's still not a coup or an insurrection a coup or an insurrection is when you
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use violence and force in order to seize control of power outside of the legal process so it has
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to happen so if so there's no pride to do so if there's no violence it can't be a coup wasn't
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there violence i saw violence in order to be the how much violence do you need that's a good
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question the most 25 grams to that's a bad answer january 6 protesters not from them again not a
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single protester whipped out a gun let alone used a gun that is extremely weird how many officers
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were how many officers i injured 140 wait is is that enough violence for you here's a good
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question so glenn's definition of a coup is stupid and even by his estimate january 6 could easily be
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called yeah as pointed out by bed there was tons of violence yeah thank god ian pops in to change
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the subject great work playing defense for these ding dongs and just to be clear when destiny is
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saying that glenn brought up hawaii his response is that he never said that i think there's a
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misunderstanding here because glenn did bring up 1960 earlier as an example of a time when people
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claimed elections were stolen because of the situation with the electors in hawaii right this
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was meant as a deflection to pretend that everything that trump did was super cool and not a problem at
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all right he didn't necessarily bring that up as an example of something that's comparable to what
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trump did but glenn greenwald clearly thinks that destiny is saying that he brought up hawaii as an
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example of a coup they're talking past each other but overall glenn is wrong and condescending dip
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shit he said that if you disagree with him it's just because you live in the united states and
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you only learned about politics in 2016 he can take that shit somewhere else yeah i don't even
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particularly care about destiny or the krausensteins we have to be a real dick to act like that yeah
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also glenn's definition requires a large carve-out for bloodless coups that have happened throughout
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world history can't think of any only five people died in the carnation revolution in portugal the
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same number as january 6th to include officer sick nick that's actually one too few enough violence
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for me yeah sorry only three people died in the june uprising in south korea in 1987 like his
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definition has huge holes and january 6th doesn't meet like his man qualification i will tell you
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it's ridiculous of all the coups that ever could have been that ever could have possibly been
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when a famed novelist yukio mishima attempted to overthrow japan by breaking into the prime
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minister's office with his friends who he trained into samurai and uh chop his head off publicly
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that didn't work out didn't work out but he really could have done it and then instead of doing that
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he had his own head chopped off by uh committing seppuku right and his buddy who's going to chop
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his head off uh took him three tries that's how much does that suck that really sucks you jam a
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sword through your gut you got your entrails in your hands you need a good fucking headchopper
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have a good head chopper yeah otherwise it's gonna be forever yeah yeah and then people bring it up
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on a podcast forever so destiny tries to explain here what would have happened uh if pence had gone
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through with the plan sure the trump had yeah yeah uh and uh then alex comes back from definitely not
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a piss oh no i just don't understand all the insanely arbitrary caps that we're trying to
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create to try to say that it wasn't a coup well there was violence but there wasn't enough
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there was a subversion of the democratic process but it didn't end up working out
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it didn't end up working like if the plan would have gone as donald trump wanted it to have gone
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which is vice president pence unilaterally tossing out the electoral college vote and if donald trump
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would have retained power passed when he was supposed to lose it what is that if not a coup
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what would you call that no one ordered those people the few hundred that actually fought police
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to do that that's great well that's why they can't start trump what happened no one said
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trump's been charged with insurrection or inciting a riot especially did but we can't vote for him
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because what would you call it if pence would have unilaterally thrown out the vote and and
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trump would have held on to power for some weeks trump was calling for a 10-day senate investigation
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that's why we were there that's great what would have happened if that's a hypothetical trump wanted
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a 10-day investigation i don't care what trump wanted pence to throw out yeah what would have
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happened what would you call that we're pushing for that yeah what would we have called that can
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i get a name for that if you don't want to call it a coup or an insurrection what would you call that
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well i'd call it taking trump off the ballot and saying we can't vote for him i know you won't
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answer because you probably know he's guilty that's fine what about you or glenn glenn what
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would you call it if the president was able to entrench his power by asking his vice president
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to throw out the vote unilaterally which is what he was trying to do do you want to deny the facts
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do you want to deny that it's a coup what part a coup you're lucky there wasn't a real coup wow
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you're lucky there wasn't a real coup is such a great not a coup thing to say yeah chill chill
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cool guy uh i do think it took a while to get here but i like the dismissive tone that destiny
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is taking with alex i do i think that has a lot of potential yeah that's great uh so alex claimed
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that he went to take a piss yeah he was gone for a while he was gone he was gone for about
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eight minutes so i assume he probably did some uh some booze i think he's probably drunk that's a
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lot of and that's good i mean it's not good but i'm tired of coke alex and i want drunk esoteric
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i would i would i want a shift alex needs a downer that is definitely for sure yeah and and and even
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just like for my for my own sake for everyone's sake we need we need the vibe shift yeah um so
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hopefully alex is drunk spoiler alert he is yay so glenn answers destiny's question and uh make
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some implications along the way that maybe he wouldn't defend if that had happened my guess is
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it would have ended up in the supreme court the supreme court would have made the decision about
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whether mike pence exercised his proper authority as vice president and then donald trump if he had
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run out of options would have left the white house on january 20th without any need for military
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force or police force exactly how he did and i would have called that the exhaustion of all of
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the legal remedies available to the president in a the event exactly and therefore it would have
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been just the way the bush v gore thing played out okay exhausting your legal options getting
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up to the supreme court the supreme court makes the determination let's finish if both of you
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accept that then then if the supreme court says that because of amendment 14 section 3 trump
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can't be on the ballot you would both accept that as well i we are going to accept but i think that
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would be authoritative we did i think it would plan on your one man centralizing power among
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himself to remain in power that's not authoritative what could be he didn't do that that's not what
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happened that is what happened that was our goal was a 10-day senate investigation into the
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constitution that's not what was happening behind the scenes though there's testimony from the
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lawyers involved they were war gaming everything exactly attorney general the assistant ag and a
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lot of these people all of his legal counsel all of the state senators all the congressmen
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like if i could talk over you i'd be way better than you that's what you've been doing the whole
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time don't don't know you're doing it and then i dominate you can't handle it okay okay so glenn's
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answer is incoherent um and nonsensical i think alex might be drunk you do sense a little a little
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shift yeah little shift i think you might have had some titos i am i am i'm gonna say this i feel
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like i should i i feel like i want to actually take over a country just to be just to just to
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like do it right proud you know like out and out i'm like i'm taking over this fucking country and
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if i get caught and lose i will accept the responsibility for my actions you know well
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because you want to be a role model to these people i do you want to lead by example listen
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if i lose i lose and if i win i get to rule the country that's the trade-off i know you pretty
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well i think you would give the country back and be like i did this on principle i did just to show
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alex how it's done it's rude it's rude to do it poorly yeah that's all i'm saying so ian uh tries
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to redirect and bring up a question which is was uh trump uh responsible for january 6th do you
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think that trump was responsible for this thing on january 6th 100 not he'd had hundreds of rallies
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around the country five or six over the months before this and we had the he's proven over and
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over again people will show up and do whatever he tells them to do on the capitol grounds we had a
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stage and then we get there and it's it's bedlam and and so no trump didn't think attacking the
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capital of making him look good that's why he came out and said that don't do this and go home
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why didn't he call them off immediately if he thought it didn't make him look good it was
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happening while he was giving a speech wrong the reason why he didn't call them up is him juliani
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and eastman were making phone calls to other senators and congressmen asking them to decertify
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the electoral vote no no no you were there but you were acknowledging that happened we're talking
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about the crowd i don't care about the crowd i'm saying that as the riot was raging on and he was
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sitting there sipping his diet coke if this really made him and his followers look bad why didn't
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donald trump make a video immediately yeah i'm about to do it because i can talk over you really
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easy that's what you've been doing the whole time no no no you're looking forward to you dodging the
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question again you're doing it you're doing it you're doing it no you so you're doing it you're
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doing it you're doing it you know you you know you both of you keep doing it just what are you guys
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trump did while he was speaking what have you got i was getting text messages
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violence capital and i left to try to go stop it and when i got there he was still speaking
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so this thing where you guys say the attack started at this time and trump did nothing this
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time he's speaking while it happens for hours he then goes the white house tries to figure
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out what's going on and puts a statement out against it and he said in the middle of a speech
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off a teleprompter go be peaceful that's what it's like 130 he also said fight like hell
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why don't we don't fight like hell we're not gonna have a country Rudy what did Rudy Giuliani say
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he said let's have trial by combat yeah that's a legal term that's illegal
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yeah all right he's doing good all right now this introduces an interesting question because
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alex's timeline is incredibly wrong it's silly but there's one thing in that timeline that he's
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giving that we can't confirm at all and that is a text that alex got while he was at trump's speech
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that said violence at the capitol yeah if that is the case he had preemptive knowledge because
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violence hadn't broken out at the capitol yet yeah unless he's saying that this happened at about one
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o'clock 10 minutes before trump's speech ended right then possibly someone could have broken
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through the police barricades and then alex gotten word of it um but if it was much longer before
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that then it would be someone telling him what's going to happen yeah and that's questionable yeah
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i would ask the january 6th committee were they not dissolved to ask alex about that and then he
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would plead the fifth it's the type of thing that alex would say is evidence even if it wasn't it's
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suspicious it's suspicious so alex is just trying to do his show you know i mean i think other
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people might want to debate he doesn't i appreciate i appreciate the many ways that you could read
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that sentence you know like alex just wants to do a show yeah alex just wants to do a show
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alex is wanting to do a show yeah you know like and it's an emergency and it's all there it's all
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of all of these are possible yeah and then the bed is just kind of unwittingly a guest yeah yep
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why don't we never said trump never supported political violence trump never told people to
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be goons the left's would burn down half the country everybody knows that sure everybody
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knows is biden's erased the border everybody knows all this you're sitting there claiming this was
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do you agree this was pearl harbor do i what are you comparing it as big as pearl harbor and what
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way people dead no maybe a a blemish on our democracy i i'd say it was very close let me
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ask you this if they bring in which they've done illegal aliens last three years and then that
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gives them with the congressional seats in the census uh more democrat seats in the congress
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is that undocumented aliens undocumented immigrants are not voting they are counting they are not
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they're counting the census but they're not voting they're counted in the not voting so then they get
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more democrat districts backtrack really oh my god so the question if j6 was as big as pearl harbor
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is actually an interesting question yeah honestly in terms of history we may have no idea how to
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answer that question at this point pearl harbor got us involved in world war ii so that's kind
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of hard to eclipse but the rippling effects of trump's actions after 2020 could end up resulting
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in a war if shit goes terribly bad in the 2024 election and there's an outbreak of insurgent
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violence and a fundamental destabilization of the world's main superpower then i would say that it
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is comparable to pearl harbor as it stands now j6 is undoubtedly a massive event in our history but
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it's kind of impossible to compare it to historical events because we know what those things led to
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right it's unfair yeah if trump within the next 10 years drops an atomic bomb way worse than
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pearl harbor we'll throw that out there because the new ones are worse than the old ones well
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you know i think there's a way that's my there's my view on nukes there's a way new ones are worse
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than the old one man yes it is it is kind of difficult when you include nuclear weapons
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it's tough that's that that i appreciate that that's a great sign for uh the coup if a coup
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involves a nuke that's a coup 100 guaranteed well i don't know if pearl harbor was a nuke
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pearl harbor was a i don't even know yeah so anyway alex's immigrant uh immigrant theory
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is based purely on racism yeah in reality in 2020 pew research analyzed what the effect of
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removing undocumented immigrants from the census would do to congressional seats and it would result
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in a loss of a house seat in texas florida and california california would have a fair chance
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of that seat uh ending up uh being a democratic one but in texas and florida the odds are that
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seat that would be lost if undocumented immigrants weren't counted in the census would be a republic
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one doing what alex wants would likely resent uh result in a net loss for his side additionally
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the states that would gain a seat if undocumented immigrants weren't counted would be alabama
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minnesota and ohio ohio and alabama have legislatures controlled by the gop so they'd
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likely redistrict uh gop district but minnesota is majority democrat so what i'm saying is that
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if alex got his way and undocumented immigrants didn't count on the census it would make no
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difference in the composition of the house basically wash two gop seats would uh be lost
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and two uh would gain one democratic state would lose a seat and one would gain one there's no
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actual political gain to what alex wants but there's a big political gain in demonizing
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immigrants which was what this is all about yeah the specter of undocumented immigrants changing
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the apportionment of house seats is a white nationalist talking point but there's no truth
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to it the amount of immigrants that would need to come in is astronomical and even alex's exaggerated
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numbers wouldn't do what he claims this is he just thinks it's a white country that's all that
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is going on here yeah you know what i find fascinating is that we don't talk more about
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the first 10 or so presidents um and how we got we got washington i mean i mean the process
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yeah well yeah i mean the process because it was so fucking stupid everybody was dumb everything
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was corrupt as shit and the main reason that it wasn't that big of a deal really was because it
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was only straight white men who could do anything anyways period so it's like just how it is now but
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now people have a choice that aren't straight white men and that's the real problem that we're
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experiencing right now it's a problem for alex all of these people wish that it was uh the first
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10 years of the united states again yeah well i mean the politics are fairly similar but there's
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new words like email yeah which is which is interesting i find it fascinating so destiny
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comes in explaining what trump did in terms of the election and alex just yells trump laid out very
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precisely exactly what he believed it happened he thought that the vote was being stolen right that
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our country was being taken from us not believe what he wanted others to believe that congress
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wasn't acting that that mike pence was supposed to be the guy to do it but he hadn't heard good
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things about them and they needed to go down to the capitol building to to protest to protest
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nobody is saying that you're repeating the same thing you're like a broken record you're a broken
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record no no i'm not a broken record trump every time every right you try to shut me down listen
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here's the bottom line trump is not in charge of this election no one said he was here's the
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bottom line but you're saying people can't vote for hell yeah no that's up to the supreme no
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that's the do you support no one here is talking about him in colorada and maine taking him off
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the ballot that's up to the supreme court no you punt do you think it's good for the opposing party
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when a guy's way ahead in the polls to remove someone from the ballot it's not about him being
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ahead in the polls or not it's about whether or not he engaged in insurrection and if the
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self-executing part of the 14th amendment allows states to look at him from the ballot where is
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trump found guilty you don't need a conviction for the 14th amendment for like an hour read it
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something can we bring the 14th amendment you're misrepresenting that and it doesn't matter because
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we have a right to vote for who we want right no you don't within reason you can't vote for
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somebody under 35 years old you can't vote for something that's not a glenn u.s citizen it looked
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like you want to chime in glenn he's unpopular though he he lost but we can't vote for him now
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if you think it's so bad that the courts are kicking him off the ballot what do you think
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about trump doing the birtherism card for obama for how many years oh it's the first big political
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what was challenging whether obama was even born in the united states and an attempt to get him
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kicked off the ballot no no you know why yeah i can play the clips of obama's and now you're
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going to justify that you're going to read my mind well it's pretty obvious yeah yeah obviously
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and that's kind of a problem for alex's argument yeah um yeah good some good yelling some good back
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and forth uh man i feel like this is the this is the wrong spot for them to be yelling about
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this is there should be here's what the moderator should be doing not focusing on trying to make the
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debate make sense or anything like well he's not right and not doing what he's doing period true
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but he should be focusing on getting them to fight about the right stuff yes you know like
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don't fight about stuff where you guys are gonna get into all the weeds and all that stuff no no
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no get into the big emotional bah bah bah fight kill you know like that that's what you should
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be doing do you get messages from god totally 100 absolutely focus let's go lightning round so um
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glenn is being asked a question there uh and i'm gonna go ahead and skip yeah some of this stuff
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uh for time constraints but he's basically on a mission to be like hey january 6th maybe a riot
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but guess what more of an insurrection was black lives matter protests in 2020 what about that's
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almost his entire uh shtick it seems like he's gotten that uh pretty well on the board so i
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wanted to skip here and here's where i'm going to jump back in and it's darren beattie asking a
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question and destiny having a pretty solid answer okay and the reason i think this is great is it
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gets back to the 14th amendment stuff that they were just arguing about it cuts out get rid of
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glenn's dumb stuff good call gets back in on the 14th amendment and it's actually like coherent
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okay for a minute all right for a minute i'm listening it doesn't stay coherent all right
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let's assume that it doesn't require a conviction in your view who is most appropriate to make that
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determination if it doesn't work well so the the answer the real answer is it's hard to tell
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personally i don't like the way the 14th amendment section 3 is written i've got a lot of friends
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will hate me for saying that um and i think that the supreme court probably will rule against it
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because the problem with the 14th amendment is the self-executing part of it means basically
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anybody involved in that balloting process of putting them on the ballot could make that
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determination so you basically agree it has to go up to the supreme court and be decided before he
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can be justly removed from now let me say this declaration of independence and you would have
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an insurrection i want to fix this peacefully but i have so let's start with the declaration of
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independence already points out what's there to abolish a government when the majority of us agree
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we're done with it so and you got all these movies about civil war the democrats are putting out
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obama's putting out you guys better hope that doesn't happen we're trying to fix this peacefully
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but this is a load of crap to claim that republicans and conservatives are the super
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viral evil white supremacist terror group they're planning crap no one's buying that
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and conservatives and populists and america first see how we're being set up and we're saying set
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up but donald trump is the one setting you up well this is my question is trump said be peaceful and
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go to the capital trump created a 10-day senate investigation i was there did trump have his
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people did trump have it there's a million hours of footage there trump had seven different states
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create seven false sets of electors that perjured themselves i know this and they shipped all of
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those he's delicious when i try to have people that i know put clips of me saying don't go on
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the capital they would take them down or we show clips of people pulling off their anti-figure
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putting on trump here and and you know where's the video footage of all the antifa gear yeah
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yeah thousand people tonight oh everybody how many antifa were arrested anti-figure
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gotcha so at the beginning of that clip i think it's a first question and answer that's gone
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smoothly in this entire thing it did so naturally alex has to butt in and change the subject to how
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he and his friends have a ton of guns and violence is an option yes that we should probably all just
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go along with their version of settling things peacefully it is how manifest destiny has worked
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historically it's the classic example of a man uh pointing a gun at your face and saying i don't
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want any trouble it's like a very convincing act it's definitely not a robbery that is what the
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united states is based off of so i'm pretty convinced at this point that alex is at least
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a little drunk and just salivating about the memes that will be able to be made off this
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like one where glasses drop on his face oh my god uh it's pretty sincere uh productive debate stuff
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this is uh this is good there's a part of me that imagines a white supremacist fan of alex
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listening to that stuff going like wait are we not he sounded very sincere he sounded very sincere
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like oh we're not the people do and like there's a part of me that wonders if there is a guy who's
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like wait like he's making a pipe bomb like wait am i supposed to be doing this i'm gonna guess
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not although it is a funny image it is yeah so um destiny made a good point there yeah and that
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is that you're saying you're being set up yeah but it's trump who's doing it so yes that's that's the
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meaning of things so alex tries to play a little defense on that why didn't trump call in the
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national guard as soon as the ride started if antifa was he asked for 10 000 national guard
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a month before why didn't he call him in that night why didn't he call him in look there's
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antifa called in the national guard he would have ended it in 20 minutes so so that's another myth
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that he had the national guard on standby cash patel said that no he asked for it let me finish
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cash patel said that trump asked for it that's the source of that cash patel and donald trump
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after the fact claimed that they called they had the national guard on standby neither of them
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testified to that under oath do you know who did the secretary of state chris department of defense
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the secretary of defense christopher christopher miller testified under him didn't have it on
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standby he asked for it was refused by milly i could pull watch the post-up he was refused no
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milly specifically said that's not true under oh milly was that in between his phone calls
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the secretary of defense i'm sorry who he would have to call to call in the national guard
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the secretary of defense specifically said under oath that trump never under oath did
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trump oh where consequences exist so what why do you think January 6 no no stop stop
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under oath alex let me ask you a question you're criticizing me for quoting somebody under oath
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what is your source if i have i'm quoting somebody that said something under the penalty of perjury
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your source is you just know it that donald trump said it to the public no we're live on air here
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just like when uh this guy said try and land this one oh you know you're you know you're claiming
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this was done you don't have proof that those clips are all there everyone's going to pull
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those up they're going to see them so there's clips of donald trump calling in the national
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guard i remember the last point you didn't answer my question i remember the articles
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answer my question you're not listening you want my answer yeah i do when trump got firebombed
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the wireless attacks and milly said what are you people doing he then uh asked uh the the head
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jurisdiction was actually general flint's brother for for 10 000 troops and was in the news anybody
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we're not doing i don't have a computer phone on january 6th january no no yes yes two weeks before
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that they wanted wasn't in the news okay well boom gotcha everybody get it
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tell me what you're gonna get you
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watch x tomorrow listen to me carefully watch x tomorrow okay and you're gonna it's going to be
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you'll have five million this claim and it'll be you and it'll be all the news articles where milly
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says he'll resign if trump's one national guard and then they did it again and then general flint's
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brother for january 5th that was the i know i know i know that's where it begins that he asked again
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and they also yeah it's all there it's all there man that shit was so incoherent that i'm not even
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totally sure what alex is claiming yeah that makes things tough to fact check but it seems like
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there's two essential claims that he's making through his tito's breath the first is that mark
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milly threatened to resign because trump wanted to call him the national guard maybe in terms of
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january 6th maybe not who knows what alex is referring to here is an unsent resignation letter
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that milly revealed in his memoir that came out in august 2022 so he didn't threaten to quit the
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letter was never sent it has to do with when trump used the national guard to clear protesters out of
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lafayette square and then did that photo op where he held a bible upside down that was pretty funny
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milly was there and in his military uniform and in hindsight he realized that was a big mistake
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he wasn't mad at trump for using the national guard to clear the protesters it was that by his
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being there he was closely associating the military with the whole thing he said at the time quote i
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should not have been there my presence in that moment in that environment created the perception
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of the military involved in domestic politics there's no evidence that he threatened to quit
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if trump called in the national guard for anything nor that this would have been a factor in trump's
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decisions around january 6th so this one sounds like bullshit that alex is making probably from
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fun storytelling yeah the next claim that alex makes is about trump asking mike flinn's brother
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for ten thousand troops which is actually less bad shit than it sounds at the time flinn's brother
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charles was the deputy chief of staff for the army and though they initially denied it the army
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eventually did admit that charles was on the call where the topic of deploying national guard troops
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on january 6th happened this is not an instance of trump asking for troops and not getting them
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trump wasn't even on that call nonsense gotcha the only reality you can find is that mark meadows
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told some people that trump wanted some national guard presence at the capitol but it was for the
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protection of his supporters that was what he was on yeah there have been a few and maybe even a lot
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of people who have talked about how decisions made not to station troops at the capitol included
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considerations of the optics and how trump's people had been pushing for martial law and how having
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military there could feed into uh perceptions of that sure but there wasn't any evidence that
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trump requested troops and didn't get them except coming from trump and he's a fucking liar yeah
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colonel uh earl mathews the top attorney for the head of the dc national guard has claimed
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that charles flinn and walter piot were instrumental in not having troops deployed
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after a request had been made by capitol police flinn was pushing for the use of national guard
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to relieve dc police from non-law enforcement roles so those police could then go to the
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capitol the bottom line here is there's a lot of people who have a lot of responsibility for
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the failures to plan and respond appropriately to january 6th but trump is probably number one
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on that list sure none of the stuff alex is stammering his way through has any connection
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to reality but probably does match up with some of the headlines from shithead blogs he's skimmed
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and now he's relying on people to make memes of yeah to pretend everyone else is wrong yeah and
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as a general rule i'm gonna say this yeah if you're in an argument with somebody and you're
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asked for a source and the best thing you can come up with is twitter will figure it out for
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me tomorrow yeah you're not doing well probably not that's a bad look probably on the losing side
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at least for the time being yeah yep so alex is really into this though sure he keeps saying that
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twitter is gonna get you losing makes him feel uh good it's losing makes him feel like a winner
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losing makes me feel good well because because consequences is virtue yeah yeah maybe well
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at least when he's drunk yeah well drunk is helpful okay but you're you're making the claim
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that trump had no you say show it i'm here why would trump care if millie would resign
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through all the deep state if they're all part of the swamp why wouldn't you just do it anyway
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that's what's right trump is the ultimate you're not gonna answer that question either
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you got it all right they're all gonna get it he's drunk and that's the whole and they're all
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gonna show it and then we'll see yeah this is making me think about media manipulation in
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general and how really sometimes you see things sometimes you don't sometimes things are real
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sometimes they're not and at least amazing next question general that is insight and by the way
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all six of you are doing phenomenally especially phenomenal killing it from brazil my man uh
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brazilian this election was stolen 100 what did you think he was gonna say that what did you think
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great moderation what are we doing it's good it's good so um alex is uh yeah i think he's drunk
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yeah obsessing about what twitter is gonna do tomorrow i love i love it now that he's back
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on twitter he's just loving it i have a great time i cannot believe that you can notice alex
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is drunk and then be like there's still another hour and a half that i'm gonna stay for that's
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out of control i'll just go unless you're like somebody who's like i'm never gonna be allowed
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in this situation again this is pretty fucked up for the story i might as well yeah or something
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yeah i don't know that's the most generous interpretation i can come up with so destiny
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uh tries to be like hey uh why did everyone who trump had investigate the voter fraud stuff say
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that it wasn't right uh uh real directed them to investigate it so he would be in charge yeah and
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then they found that it wasn't true so that's like him finding it wasn't and then alex does the
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unthinkable what's that uh well he he complains okay i mean why is it if the election was being
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stolen why did every single person that donald trump trusted to investigate come back and say
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there was no evidence it wasn't every single whole bunch of his lawyers it was not a whole
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bunch of his lawyers and most of his legal counsel said that the few that were crazy you just went in
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two seconds from everyone to most i said everyone trusted to investigate meaning the vice president
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the department of justice the cyber security division of the department of security all of
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his white house council every yeah i know how it works i know you're farming tik tok clips okay
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that's what we're doing right now but the reality is almost every single person he asked all of them
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investigate two minutes ago you said all of them he trusted he didn't ask sydney powell to go and
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investigate she brought cockamamie schemes to him and he said oh maybe these are okay which by the
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way he also said he also said she was crazy you just said all wouldn't say there was fraud now i
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said oh get the full quote kind of like you're missing the rest of the 14th amendment there get
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everything i'm saying i know that hurts i know the context hurts people like you you live and
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you breathe 10 second clips longer than that destroys everything you're trying to claim no no
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no they got you again you just said all his lawyers told him it all makes sense now and
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we're going to show you the majority saying he won gotcha alex specifically who we're halfway
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through right paul and julianne and who is on his team here planning widespread election fraud
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let's let's ask i want to ask glenn what do you think man glenn do you think that this thing was
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stolen yeah let's get glenn's take so alex is uh definitely he wasn't peeing no i think it's fair
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to say nope so this is a fascinating clip because destiny is entirely correct it even calls out the
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game that alex is playing with farming tick tock clips but there's a layer missing alex is just
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doing the blowhard part and relying on other people to come up with justifications for the
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claims he's making alex can't back any of this shit up and he doesn't know any of these lawyers
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names or any of this stuff his role is just to be an antagonist yelling a bunch of shit that
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somebody else can add it together with some b-roll of like bright bart and substack headlines and it
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doesn't really matter that destiny is calling out the game the moderator has no interest in defending
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the dignity of this debate and the strategy that alex is using is going to be effective for his
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ultimate goal in doing this which is to maximize the attention he accrues from it engaging in this
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conversation sincerely and debating the points would work in direct opposition to what alex's
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goals are and alex couldn't handle that heavy lifting even if he wanted to i found this
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fascinating and it's really why i would have advised destiny and even bed to not accept this
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invitation no matter what you do you're being used for attention farming you can tell yourself that
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you're there to reach out to the reachable elements and alex's audience all you want but
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that doesn't exist you're never going to convince someone who lives in non-reality to accept reality
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through rational argument and you're never going to be allowed to have a rational argument when
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coked out drunk ass alex is in the room yeah by accepting this invitation you've all you've
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really achieved is that you get to be used as a prop so alex and zilk can pretend that they're
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not in a bubble and you score a bigger victory by just not being involved saying no is the right
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answer yeah also it's fascinating how much of a stickler alex is for accuracy and language all of
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a sudden god forbid he be held to that standard or else you might end up doing a thousand episodes
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of a podcast about how full of shit he is could be could be well yeah that that that condescension
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is uh you know it's only matched by a couple of things we heard earlier i what what this what this
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is inadvertently done is make it clear to me why alex still has friends outside in the real world
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is because and i am a like it makes sense you can't get a nine-year-old drunk it's against the
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law but if you've ever seen a drunk nine-year-old they're pretty funny they're pretty funny i would
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imagine so imagine you've got a drunk nine-year-old but it's legal to keep drinking there you go see
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the problem that i have in theory is a nine-year-old sober lacks impulse control sure a nine-year-old
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drunk probably terrible impulse control worst impulse now if that nine-year-old is actually
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a 50 year old uh very very thick necked uh violent person sure the impulse control deficiencies there
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are going to be i don't want to be around ah that's why you always got to point him away from you
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always point him in the other direction he'll just keep walking forward just have like little flash
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bangs you can throw to distract him if needed put little blinders on him yeah yeah it makes perfect
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sense and alex cone i would be there destiny asks a really good question here in this next clip and
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it's something that there is no real answer for and uh alex values himself okay do you think that
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donald trump asking uh jeffrey clark uh to go and threaten the doj that if they don't sign onto a
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false letter trying to bully states into claiming there was mass election fraud by claiming the doj
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it actually comes when they had it that's that was testified to under oath oh god do you think
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that would be considered an act of corruption the whole point is if trump legitimately believed that
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the election was stolen as democrats believed in 2000 2004 2016 is no that's not right it's not
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answer the question then i'm answering the question i'm answering the question if trump
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believed genuinely that the election was stolen then all of those steps that he undertook to try
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and present the congress the way to alleviate the stolen election to have courts reverse the stolen
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election to have mike pence exercise what he thought was his constitutional authority
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might have been wrongful but they weren't illegal and they most definitely weren't a coup
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if he thought that the election was stolen he was allowed to tell the doj that they needed to sign
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on to a false letter claiming they'd found election fraud otherwise he would replace rosen
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with clark that was something he was allowed to do false letter all this stuff's crap the doj
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hadn't found anything so the doj attesting that they had found something that's right i know in
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this world we need evidence alex i'm sorry oh evidence evidence for evidence yeah so so two
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men have a baby isn't there a sitcom called two men and a baby yeah it's a movie it's real it's
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a great movie oh shit i'm sorry my bad yeah ian got your back i can't you know what that makes
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perfect sense that ian is a person who thinks that three men and a baby is a great classic so
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so destiny's our point here is is really good because in essence that action that he's describing
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you know telling the doj to sign off on this stuff is not something that is defensible by like your
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actual belief right that there's election fraud right right you are asking them to commit fraud
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insert in service of pretending there was fraud right and so glenn's answer doesn't really answer
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no no no because if you were to answer that you'd be like fraud's cool and then people go
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fraud's not cool but sometimes it is yeah i guess so um in this next clip uh somehow we get off into
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the election uh the 2020 election right and the votes right and what have you things are off the
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rails reminder this is about january 6th and whether or not it was a false flag right um so
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ed ed or bed bed whichever one it is beddenstein tries to explain to alex why biden's vote totals
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went up late because that's a big part of alex's conspiracy you know they dropped off all these
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fake balance and stuff i gotcha and so he tries to explain this to alex very simply oh boy i would
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have i would have like tackled him to try and keep him from explaining any of that to alex well here
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we go i mean it's a decent explanation that he gives oh no i agree i'm sure it's great i'm still
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tackling you because this is the wrong move man yeah you pointed out oh that the the the votes
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they went up way at night they went up way high trump was winning and all of a sudden
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biden pulled ahead at like 1 a.m red mirage yeah but do you understand that the media
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basically told the american public that this is what happens basically every election yeah they
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pre-programmed it no do you understand no it doesn't have every election what actually why
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that happened i'm not smart enough to understand the trucks when they shut down the polling places
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you want the trucks pulled in and they blocked the windows out and ran the same ballots over
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and over again no i don't explain it to you donald trump donald trump for months before the election
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he kept saying mail-in ballots are rigged don't don't vote by mail so do you think that republicans
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are gonna vote by mail if trump says not to so republicans let me finish and then you can
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republicans didn't vote by mail because trump said i don't it's not safe democrats voted by mail
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mail-in votes were counted at the tail end of the vote count as they always are so what happens so
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trump pulls ahead early in the night just like everybody said was going to happen if you're
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paying attention they start counting the mail-in votes biden's moving up they start counting more
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mail-in votes in these states that are in the big cities which are primarily democrats i want to
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pause right here and say hey darren bd why aren't you saying this is off topic yeah what happened
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what happens biden pulls way ahead in the big cities just like everybody that was paying
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attention i don't have can i talk no can i talk that's why they had to all over the block the
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the block the windows out kick everybody out let me talk and then magically just keep loading
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machines over and over again but let's you're right let's stop you're right no no i agree with
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you trump actually lost so why are you so scared to let him run again i i'm not scared to let him
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run so you support him being on the ballot i support whatever the supreme court says because
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i think they they should define what that's stupid i think that's dumb you're dumb now
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everything you've said is stupid now let's go back to the to the pulling out votes or
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or tabulating votes multiple times did you actually watch more than that damn it 14 second clip
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that juliani put out there where they purportedly pulled out ballots from under the table let me ask
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you a question no no why they blocked why in michigan and georgia did they block the windows
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no no no no yes why i don't know why they asked them why did they say a water main broke they
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later admitted they didn't these all went to court he's all all these were oh let me stop you let
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me stop because you guys hold on stop all of them are cool can i say one thing i'll give you the
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floor let me give you the floor let me say one thing yeah go ahead go ahead
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i was found guilty by two judges in texas connecticut jury trial on how my damages i would i
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swear to god give me a fucking crossbow give me a fucking crossbow right goddamn now if that is
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what you have to say to me sir i mean wow dude's fucked up wow yeah yeah listen listen i got one
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thing can i say something i got one thing i got one thing to say to you make these people shut up
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i'm having a rough day i was like guilty bad judge oh my god i i can't pretty great i can't
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believe everyone did not suddenly have like a moment of self-reflection and then changed
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everything about their lives i mean i don't know about the second part they might have had a moment
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of clarity i i think that this is not that's not going anywhere that should have been the end
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yeah probably yeah probably probably so it continues yeah there's some talk of that uh
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you know these these electoral abnormalities that are all bullshit that alex is these meme
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talking points that he has sure and somehow covet comes up what no quite off track on the topic or
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something there is no topic pick a better topic that could have been done trump doesn't get a
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jury trial in new york so you're pointing to the judiciary and the corrupt lawyers that have run
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this country down the ground wasn't that because his lawyer didn't check the jury trial January 6
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what an insurrection also the videos that you're referring to the running and we're not going to
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but let me tell you you guys keep looking for one once you guys start to fight and launch
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martial law you're gonna actually get the real thing and then you'll know what it is how long
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how long have you been calling for martial law how many decades now also all the examples you're
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bringing oh the coven lockdowns were martial law hey guys are you part of biden let me ask you a
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question is uh is uh no why are we getting mad all right is rachel matt all right we're talking
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about coven right now he brought it up if if if biden is biden right that you take the shot
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you're protected is that true i think what biden did i think what by the shot okay what happened
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was rapinsberger and everybody in georgia looked over all the tapes you're claiming about but the
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ballots being ran three times not only was that information false trump was told that it was false
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trump knew that it was false trump repeated it over and over again including a call to
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rapinsberger and finally juliani has come out saying that it was false but it was his first
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amendment right to lie about it when ruby freeman took him to court for defamation because he lied
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about something you clearly see on video evidence okay well this is a question baron firstly do you
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think yeah let's get uh let's get off that topic was rigged or stolen but also is it protected
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speech to question an election and claim that it was stolen cool man cool cool so i think that
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that was an incredibly smooth move the destiny pulled that he was pretending that he was going
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to be this is what biden was doing with the vaccine yeah and then just went to his point
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about georgia yep like that's an ankle-breaking crossover not hard and you can kind of tell that
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alex has no idea what he's saying he couldn't follow the train of thought didn't realize and
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that's great because that shuts him up it blew all their no idea it blew all their minds yeah how
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did he do that yeah was that some sort of judo apparently jesus christ yeah remarkable move yeah
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just pretending you're going to talk about something and then getting back on topic
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ah aha what's this called a juke interesting so now we okay i'm gonna be honest this is where our
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cliffhanger comes yeah we're gonna come back uh and finish this up it's all one last juke
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yes this is me the final crossover yeah um but i think that this is a good place for a cross
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uh crossover cliffhanger and the reason is yeah we're starting to see some of this shit taking
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some kind of shape sure there's been a lot of nonsense and a lot of i mean obviously as you
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pointed out like what is the topic yeah you know we're not on topic this is absurd everything is
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a complete mess but now the stew is started to cook yeah because alex is drunk that is important
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he's becoming increasingly hostile he's essentially threatening murder multiple times
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if you guys don't uh act right we'll all kill you who knows how this is going to unravel right for
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him and simultaneously like you know i think that uh bed has been fairly consistent throughout sure
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um but on the other hand destiny is clearly opening up a little bit ready for this shit
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to be dead you're starting to see him laughing at alex treating him with disrespect and and
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just sort of like oh of course you think this is where we are yeah right so these these trends are
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starting and uh yeah we'll see how we'll see how it culminates yeah we'll see absolutely i don't
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know i'm not good at teasing you're doing great now is this is the part that you're describing
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you did great the part where you go i'm not that good at this that's the part that you're
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describing by saying i'm not that good at that if you didn't say that i don't agree then you
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would be great i don't agree that's the part i think the tease was bad i think it was clunky
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i was trying to explain you know like oh i know these are the intriguing elements of why we're
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dropping it here and picking it back up next time right but i feel like it fell flat i think
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you got it okay all right fine here we go anyway we'll be back with the culmination of bullshit
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indeed but until then we have a website indeed we do it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also
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on blue sky we are on blue sky it's knowledge underscore fight no it's just knowledgefight
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maybe i could probably find out however you do blue sky we're there man i should probably know
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these things uh let's see profile yeah no underscore okay knowledge fight blue sky
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done cool yeah anyway uh we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark
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oh twitter is gonna get you yeah yeah and now here comes the sex robots andy in kansas you're
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on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work
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i love you
