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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, knowledge
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of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge
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of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge of the fight.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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Let's sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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Why don't you go first?
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My bright spot is what had happened was.
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Uh-huh.
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With Open Mike Eagle.
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Again.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's only one more episode left in the season, and the last one was supposed
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to be this week, the finale, and they're talking things fall apart.
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Sure.
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And this is when Questlove stories are the absolute best, because they're doing things
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fall apart, they're doing voodoo with D'Angelo, they got Erykah Badu running around, they've
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got, he's doing the Philly sessions at this point, and they're telling all these great
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rock and roll stories, the classics, you know, like, oh, someone were playing and then who
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drops in?
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This guy.
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What?
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You can't believe it.
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Who's this?
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Oh, they called someone and it's like, oh, there's this nine-year-old with a voice like
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a man, and they're like, what are you talking about?
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It's Jasmine Sullivan.
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What?
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Oh, my God.
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And it is such the best, like, rock and roll type stories.
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Who should walk in but Paul McCartney.
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Exactly.
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It is nonstop.
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You know who that guy turned out to be?
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Jesus Christ.
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Whoa.
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You know, it's just the best.
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That does sound fun.
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It's just so fun.
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As it's coming towards its end, I'll probably catch it, because like I said, I need to binge
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stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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I refuse to wait.
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It's so great.
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It's difficult just even like on a much less quality angle.
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It's awful waiting a week to watch the challenge.
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Oh, man.
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This week's-
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And it's debatably whether or not I'm enjoying it.
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That's a good point.
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Yeah.
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No, this week's cliffhanger was murder.
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Was murder.
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I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.
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I mean, no, no, no.
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Not on the challenge.
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No, what happened was.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because there's one more episode left and it was supposed to be, yeah, we thought it
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was going to be done.
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Yeah.
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What cliffhanger is on the challenge?
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No, no, no.
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It's very resolved.
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I haven't seen that one.
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Almost everything.
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Yeah.
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I haven't seen the newest one yet.
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I have some things to say, so I'll talk to you later.
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All right.
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Sounds good.
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What's your bright spot?
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So I guess my bright spot, coming to the end of the year.
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Sure.
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This is the last episode of our show for the year.
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Sure.
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For 2023.
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2023.
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And I mean, it's just the audience is a bright spot.
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Yeah.
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They're great.
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Just so great.
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I don't mean to pander or, you know, we've said this many times and it bears repeating.
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We do not deserve the kind of audience, the supportiveness that people have, the appreciation
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of others.
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I mean, you look back on this year, it's been pretty shit on a lot of fronts, whether it's
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from a news perspective, whether it's from a world perspective or my mental health, certainly
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in the last month and a half or so.
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Sure.
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But, you know, looking back on this year, there's something that will just stick out
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to me so much is how much the audience rallied around Erica Lafferty when she's on our show.
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It just means so much to me that we have an audience that cares enough to show up for
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people in a way that I'm blown away by.
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So thank you all for being so awesome and making some bright things in a year that kind
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of sucks and give some hope that there will be bright things even in next year, which
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will definitely suck given the state of affairs and the fact that there's an election coming.
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It's not going to be good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is, it is a little bit like the one nice thing for us in terms of being surrounded
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by this horror is that oftentimes horror allows people to be their best selves.
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And wow, people are doing that around us.
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That's nice.
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Yeah.
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And for each other.
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And, you know, it's all just great.
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Yep.
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So also, Jordan, thank you for the episode on Wednesday.
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Oh, sure.
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It was a wonderful interview with Brandi.
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Brandi's great.
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Yeah.
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It was fun.
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So cool.
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And I, you know, it's great.
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It's always nice to see you spreading your wings.
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It's always nice to be lightly condescended to afterwards.
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I think, well, I think what I'm trying to express is that I've gotten some feedback
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from folks that are concerned that you're doing these episodes because I can't do something.
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Oh, absolutely not.
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Oh, like I'm covering for your broken leg.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I don't, I don't want people to have that perspective.
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We did joke about how like in the preparation for the tour, it was helpful to have episodes
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that you did, these interviews to fill in some of the space, but a large part of it
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is you enjoy doing these things.
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There are topics that we can cover in a different way than covering things with Alex.
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And it's nice to expand the base of the stuff that we do.
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Yeah, totally.
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I mean, we can be all kinds of stuff.
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Yeah.
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But I'm not good at interviewing people, so it's better for you to do that alone.
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Sometimes that could be the case.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm bewildered by humans.
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Sometimes that could be the case, yes.
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Very much so.
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So anyway, we have an episode to go over today, Jordan, and last episode of the year, I figure
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what the fuck.
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I'm staying in the past.
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So we're going to be talking about April Fool's Day, April 1st, 2004.
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Nothing quite like a New Year's Eve, April Fool's Day episode.
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Sure.
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And it is not April Fool's around Info Wars.
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It is never April Fool's Day.
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They are very serious.
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And this is going to be a very serious episode.
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Of course.
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But before we get down to business on this, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, broke Alex Jones' Bill Hicks in disguise conspiracy theories.
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Woke Alex Jones' man cow in disguise conspiracy theories.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Ah, cheers and jeers replaced by broke and woke.
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Yes.
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Next, neither Carly nor I know how big our beds are, necessitating an embarrassing trip
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back to IKEA to return not one but two bed frames.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Jordan would not go with me to IKEA.
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We don't want to get divorced.
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People say he's a good friend, but he won't go to IKEA with me.
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We want to stay together.
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Next, Tom in Tokyo will karate chop Alex in the neck the minute he gets off the plane.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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I forgot about that.
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Yeah.
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But I think it was in China.
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Yeah, I think it was in China.
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Yeah.
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Next, phonetic pronunciation in parentheses.
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See Jin, the listener who got three of us to listen and tell people also.
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He's put in a lot of work spreading the show across the Twin Cities where we're big fans
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here.
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I wanted to thank him for showing me you guys.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Big ups.
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Next, Knowledge Fight is my ADHD hyper fixation, so keep those extra long episodes coming.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much too.
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It took me an exceedingly long time to realize that the name Knowledge Fight is a play on
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Infowars.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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You do get that from time to time, that people don't get that.
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And I think that's a testament to how bad we are.
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Ah!
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Bad marketing.
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And self-promotion and branding and the whole thing.
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Clunky fucking name that only maybe half of the audience initially understands is a play
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on Infowars.
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Yeah, it didn't occur to me that it would be good for people to know that.
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Yeah, I was always like, wow, Knowledge Fight, that just seems like a nice name.
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Yeah.
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And I think that that is how people experience it, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Well, it's just a name.
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It's just a name.
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Ugh.
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Oh, we're great at this.
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So we are here on April 1st, April showers, going to bring May flowers.
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Sure.
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Alex had just interviewed Aaron Russo on the last episode, which we discussed on our last
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episode.
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And now it is April Fools' Day.
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Yeah.
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And like I said, no fucking around at Infowars.
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No.
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Bette Midler finally on Infowars, the gloves are off.
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No.
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Oh, OK.
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Is that what's happening?
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But it's very serious.
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All right.
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All right, my friends.
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It is Thursday already, the first day of April 2004, and no, we're not going to have any
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April Fools' on this show.
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These are too serious to joke and horse around.
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We're talking about real issues that affect you and your family and your generations to
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come.
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And we're going to have wide open phones today.
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I'm proud of myself yesterday, despite the fact that I had a guest on, who took about
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50 calls in the three hours yesterday, a lot of those in the third hour.
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And I'm going to do it again today.
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Absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.
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I was going to say, there's no way you took 50 calls.
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No.
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Not even close.
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No.
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No way.
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It was more like upwards.
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Yeah.
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20.
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OK.
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And that's me being quite generous.
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I absolutely did not take 50 calls.
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But I think that there is, I mean, first of all, Alex isn't great with numbers.
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No, that's true.
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But then second, I think that this is how he experiences it.
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This is how he builds himself up.
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Like I took 50 fucking calls yesterday.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Which really calls into question all the times that he's like, I've been on thousands of
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interviews with these radio shows and 90% of the people that call in love me.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Those numbers may be a little bit off.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I was on two shows and one guy said I was cool.
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I've had, I've had some situations in the past where, you know, if you've ever been
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working with somebody who like the next day they're like, oh man, yesterday I put in like
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so long and then it's like empirically I can go back and look at what you did.
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Yeah.
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Please do not say those words at me.
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We can check when you clocked in and out at work and you were there for half an hour.
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There is science involved, sir.
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You cannot lie to me.
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Yeah.
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So Alex decides, fuck it, I did 50 yesterday, I'm gonna up the stakes.
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Hell yeah.
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I'm going to give each caller about a minute, maybe a minute and a half if they're making
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a really good point and then I'm going to make a quick comment and move on.
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I want to take, let me think of a good number, I want to take about 70 phone calls today
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on the show.
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Because a lot of people I talk to try to call in because once we load the phones up they
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stay loaded.
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Once we give the numbers out and then a lot of people can never get in and I don't like
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that.
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So when you hear somebody hang up, that's your cue to try to get in.
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I don't know about the phone lines, but something around here certainly stays loaded.
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70 calls.
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That's a lot.
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Yeah.
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Three hour show, you got to consider all the commercial breaks.
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It would be nonstop, 70 calls would be.
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Okay.
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Here's my pitch for you, all right?
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I think you can take 70 calls, but the topic is let me think of a good number, all right?
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So you call in and you're like, what's a good number?
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Seven.
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That's a pretty good number.
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Great number.
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Next call.
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Next call.
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I think you'd even, I mean, if you just like machine gunned through them, then maybe you
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could do that.
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But because like, let's think about it, you know, there's 60 minutes in an hour, so you
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add 10 minutes to the hour and now you got 70.
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Okay.
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So in an hour there's one call per minute, three hours.
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So now it's 180.
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Well, we add 10 minutes to each hour.
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Now you got three minutes per call with 10 extra minutes added to the hour and you're
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not counting commercials.
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That's unrealistic.
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Yeah.
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That's not going to happen.
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I have warped space and time and this is unrealistic.
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That's not going to happen.
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No, it's going to be tough.
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Do you want to know how many calls he takes?
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I want you to guess.
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Actually, I want you to tell me, what's a good number?
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18.
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Is 18 the number?
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Yeah.
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Which is not nothing.
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It's not a bad number?
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It's not nothing.
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I hate that that's my reaction to that.
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Not a bad number.
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It is well below 70.
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True.
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And if he thinks he took 50 the day before, this is a precipitous drop from there.
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That's significant.
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So Alex, we can talk about anything, open calls, new callers, old callers, anybody.
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Anything you want.
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Who gives a shit?
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Yeah.
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But also, here's a topic I kind of want to talk about.
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Let me give you an idea of a topic here that's pretty important.
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I want to get your take on it.
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They're trying to equate these dead soldiers and these dead Americans hung up on this bridge
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to what happened in Somalia with the whole situation in 93 when Clinton wouldn't give
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the troops the support.
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And I think it's horrible what happened to the people over there.
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I think it's even worse in the aggregate that our troops are breathing depleted uranium
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at, what is it, 1,000 plus times the safe levels.
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And that's the Army zone top scientists who were designed years ago and went forward with
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all of this.
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Dr. Ruki, it's a lot worse that our troops have to buy their own body armor.
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So I get what Alex is saying and I agree with him that it's horrifying to see people's bodies
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desecrated after they're killed in war, but he doesn't have his facts straight here.
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So just a little bit of background on this.
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This was a situation where some Blackwater mercenary types were led into an ambush in
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Fallujah.
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And then their bodies were taken through the streets and hung off a bridge.
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They did the thing.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And it's a really important event in that period of the Iraq war.
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It led to Fallujah becoming one of the big hotspots of the war.
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I remember.
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The response to this ambush killing was a full-on battle to reclaim the city of Fallujah.
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Remember, it was the first battle of Fallujah, which Iraqi insurgents won, which led to the
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second battle of Fallujah.
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Well, that is the problem with them winning any of the battles.
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Yeah.
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And also Alex keeps calling it Falljala.
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He's not great.
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Wow.
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And you know what?
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Far be it from me to judge.
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I'm not good at pronunciations either.
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Sure.
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But what Alex here isn't taking into account is that they weren't military personnel.
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These were Blackwater's contractors.
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It doesn't make their deaths somehow more okay or make it less horrific what happened
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to them.
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But those deflections that he's giving about the military and, you know, there's constant
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calling them, these are our boys out there.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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It's a little different when it's military mercenary contractors as opposed to soldiers
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in the service.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, when you think of the service, you think of people dedicated to the, you
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know, nation.
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Yeah.
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Protecting the people who live here.
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And then whenever you think of Blackwater, you think of people who kill for money, right?
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And for some reason, we're okay with that in certain scenarios.
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I guess that's just fine to be a contract killer as long as the contractor is the United
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States government.
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Eventually, Alex does realize that these were, you know, contract folks.
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Sure.
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But he insists on assuming that they're DynCorp.
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I don't think he even knows about Blackwater, really.
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Okay.
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I think he may have heard of them once or twice.
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Yeah.
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But he seems not all that familiar with the organization.
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I mean, he should be far more familiar with that organization.
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That should be his number one thing, right?
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But it does seem weird, though, that we are aware of them.
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Like it seems video game that mercenary organizations even exist, right?
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Sure.
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Like it should be in a James Bond movie.
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Like in real life, you can't be like, oh, I have a gun.
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Yeah.
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Pay me a hundred bucks.
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I'll kill that guy.
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You can't do that, right?
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But you can!
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I mean, I don't disagree with you.
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I think it's awful.
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That's crazy!
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But also, I don't think it's ever not been the case through a lot of human history.
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Totally.
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You know?
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It's mind blowing.
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Yeah.
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When you stop and you're like, no, that's in real life?
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I doubt that.
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I think that we put up with it as a society somewhat because there's the feeling, and
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probably inaccurate feeling, that the alternative is forced conscription.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You know?
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And so, like, well, if these people want to get paid.
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Hey, man, if he wants to do it, at least I'm not doing it.
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I'm going to Dom.
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Yeah.
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And I don't know if that's healthy either, but I think that's somewhere in the back of
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people's minds.
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I agree with you.
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So, Alex talks about another headline here, and it is about sexual assault in the military.
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Sure.
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And I think that Alex has a really bad angle on this.
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That sounds right.
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Also, military sex assault linked to friendly fire, record rapes going on.
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I'm sorry?
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Yeah, because we have record women in frontline positions in a war situation where, let's
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just say people's morals tend to degrade a bit.
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Get the women out of frontline positions.
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Let them be generals and admirals or whatever, and let them be in, you know, support roles.
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I mean, let them be in power positions, but let's not stick them in the tanks or out on
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the front lines.
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How's that sound?
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Okay.
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Not a great position.
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So it seems to not take into account a lot of the dynamics and a lot of the information
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around these issues.
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Like, a lot of sexual assault is done as male-on-male hazing type stuff, you know?
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That is definitely a part of the issue of sexual harassment in the armed services.
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I think what Alex, and I think what a lot of people with that kind of machismo point
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of view look at, if you say sexual assault in the military, what they think is, our boys
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are out there raping and pillaging in the heat of battle, you know?
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And it's like, well, I don't approve of that, but I've never killed a man either, so who
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am I to judge?
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And that kind of thing.
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As opposed to it being like at work, like they're asleep at the same place they sleep
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together, you know?
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Like it is just a job that they're being assaulted at, instead of like, this is a heat of battle
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moment.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, just on a very basic level, it's kind of absurd in an elementary sense of like,
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get women out of this situation.
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Yeah, that's the problem.
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As opposed to being like, dudes can't do this.
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Dudes, or like, get men out of this.
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Get men out of this situation.
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Right.
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As if there is no way to be less permissive of the behaviors that encourage this kind
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of culture within the services.
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I mean, you know, obviously, like I said, there's the issue of non-female targeted sexual
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harassment.
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Sure, sure.
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There's the issue of sexual assault and harassment against non-enlisted persons.
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So like, it's solving the wrong problem.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But that is absolutely Alex's MO.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Oh, they're getting hurt?
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Well, they shouldn't be there.
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That's not an operating philosophy.
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Making it the women's fault for being there as the, like, you know, and I think, I'm not
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totally sure about this, but I feel like, and it's not always going to the front lines
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or whatever, but I think you don't become a general without coming through the ranks.
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Without doing a little bit of that?
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Some rank type stuff.
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So Alex is trying to preclude women from a lot of things.
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Put regular ass women who ain't never done there no more, put them in the generalship,
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but you can't ship them out.
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Can't ship them out!
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Because here's what I get.
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I mean, I think it really is this, like you and I are going to look at the idea of sexual
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assault in the military from an adult perspective, but Alex is looking at it from the point of
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view of a little boy at the Alamo going, well, war is a man's game, you know, where we prove
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our valor and test our might against each other.
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All these women only confuse things, and it's like, that is how he views it, you know?
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That is that kind of fucked up, this is why we keep fighting all these dumb wars kind
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of point of view.
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Yeah, but he's anti-war.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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So we get to calls, finally, and I will say it's about 45 minutes in.
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Sure.
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We get to the first caller.
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And they...
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69 more to go.
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So they have a perspective that the U.S. military and the U.S. government never helps anybody
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around the world, and the argument is based on Burma.
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That's where we start.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And so she basically makes that point that you never get it twisted like the government
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is trying to help people in Iraq because of Burma.
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Sure.
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Just wanting people to know that we don't go help people, because there's nothing in
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Burma.
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Bush's sweatshirts are made in Burma.
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And then, when they got caught doing it, they said, oh, and this was in the AP report on
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Drudge.
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We posted on M4.
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Yesterday.
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I never even mentioned it.
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That was something in the stack we never got to.
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And they said, oh, it was that one shirt.
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We only got one shirt, and that's the one shirt that the Washington Post bought for
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its study of this.
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Just the one shirt they magically bought is the one shirt they bought from Burma.
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All the others are made in America.
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And what do you want to bet that if you buy one of those shirts, it's going to say made
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in Burma?
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Huh.
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Yeah, and the major point is...
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No, no, no.
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Only one shirt was made in Burma.
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Whoa.
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Whoa.
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And that's the one that magically got sold to the Washington Post.
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The Washington Post.
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Thank God.
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At least we got to see one shirt.
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But it was one shirt.
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Wait.
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What?
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They only bought one.
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The one shirt...
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Think of that lie.
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A two-year-old can figure out that's a lie.
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Thanks for the call.
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Great points.
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I'm glad you brought it up.
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I genuinely have no idea what just happened there.
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Good points that I brought up and steamrolled you on.
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So first off, Burma had been called Myanmar for like 15 years at this point of the episode.
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First thing I was about to ask was when did they change the name from Burma?
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89.
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Yeah, okay.
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But the thing is, there are some countries that don't recognize the name change because
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it was like a military junta that changed the name.
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I getcha.
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So Burma's the colonial name of the country and so it makes some sense of Alex hanging
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on to it.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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Well, yeah, that's a good point.
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I don't think he would have the same opposition to the name change that some governments do.
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I think at this point in time he's still clinging to Rhodesia a little bit.
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So yeah, I can see where he might be confused.
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Yeah.
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So all this being said, this was a bit of an embarrassment for Bush because he'd put
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an embargo on goods that were imported from Myanmar less than a year before this.
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And so now one of his sweatshirts was made there.
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So as it turns out, the clothing was sourced from Spaulding, which had gotten them from
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a supplier called the Colorado Trading and Clothing Company.
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The belief was that these t-shirts had been purchased before the embargo and had been
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in the CTCC's warehouse, which had then been accidentally sold to Spaulding, which they
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had requested only made in America shirts and accidentally the Colorado Trading and
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Clothing Company gave them some that weren't.
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Sure.
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They believed that they'd sold as many as 10 of them.
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And when the news came out, they audited their supply, finding that they had 60 of the shirts
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in stock and two of them had tags that said made in Myanmar.
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It's a bad thing, I guess, and it's perfect fodder for the drama-obsessed talk show host
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like Alex.
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But from everything I can tell, this is kind of a fairly innocent mistake.
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This callers bring up some denser issues about the U.S. relationship with Myanmar, but the
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thing Alex leans toward is this shallow content.
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I assume it's probably because he doesn't actually know much about the military government
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that was in power in Myanmar at the time, but he does know Bush t-shirts.
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I'm all for, okay, here's what I'm all for.
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I'm all for this, but we all have to agree at the end of it to go, well, this was a huge
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waste of everybody's time, right?
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Okay, we had our fun, now we're done, you know, because what are we doing?
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How much money?
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An audit?
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An audit was done?
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How much time and effort and money and all that shit went into finding out that there
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were a couple of shirts someplace?
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Let me be clear.
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Audit was my word?
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Sure.
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I think they just checked their stock.
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They just, yeah, they just looked around.
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I don't think time or money really went into it so much as, because they only had 60 of
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these in stock.
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They didn't, it was not a high volume thing.
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See all, again, the more that this goes on, the more I'm like, this was great, everyone,
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this was a lot of fun.
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We got to stop doing this.
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Well, I think, I think that, you know, some labor groups would have some opposition to,
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you know, the working conditions in Myanmar, and so like the idea of getting around an
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embargo based on some of these, some of these issues, I think that there, there is, there
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is reason why someone might care about this.
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I get it.
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But then once the, like, the information is there about like, there's probably an accident,
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this was most likely purchased before the embargo and it wouldn't have been a real issue
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for anyone to buy these shirts, who cares?
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Yeah, everybody should have to announce, you know, like, hey, yesterday we all screamed
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about the shirts.
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It was a great time.
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We had a great time.
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It was a huge waste of everybody's time.
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Sorry about that.
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Moving on today.
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There's a lot of things to complain about Bush about.
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Yeah.
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And it doesn't seem like this is, let's, let's let this one go.
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This doesn't rank.
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Yeah.
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So Alex gets another caller and this fella has a bit of news that ends up breaking open
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this entire episode.
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Okay.
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Let's talk to Ben in Idaho.
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Ben?
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Hi Alex.
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This is Ben.
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I've got in front of me a copy of a letter from the Idaho County Farm Bureau that was
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sent to the superintendent of public instructions in Boise on March 22nd, 2004.
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I'd like to read you just three sentences out of the letter.
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The following is a quote from a civics textbook, hence the 12th grade.
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We the people, the citizens and the constitution, which has been authorized and funded by appropriations
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bill HR 6.
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The existence of a written constitution or bill of rights does not mean that citizens
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actually have the rights they contain, nor does the existence of laws passed by our federal
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state and local government guarantee the citizens will actually receive the rights.
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The laws are supposed to protect.
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Okay.
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So I guess the government's notifying itself that, Hey, let's violate their rights.
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You know, the government's notifying the high school students that the, that the bill of
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rights and the constitution and all federal state and local laws are meaningless.
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Well, well, at least they're being honest.
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I mean, they still have meaning because there are God given rights, but these pack of criminals
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are ignoring it.
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Will you please fax that to me, please fax that to me now, please fax that to me.
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So I just assume, uh, this makes total sense to me.
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Like it, this falls in the same category as like Alex is making a big deal out of instructors
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saying that the founding fathers would have been considered terrorists because obviously
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they would be, they were trying to overthrow a government.
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Yeah.
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That was the idea, right?
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They were doing it using terrorism.
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Yeah.
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So like saying that is like, well, that's descriptively true.
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It's not really giving a prescriptive, like we should view them as like horrible terrorists
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or anything much sense other than maybe it helps you kind of open your point of view
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as to what things are instead of having a more myopic, you know?
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Yeah.
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And so I can, I can hear this and imagine very easily in a textbook, this being a discussion
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of how imperfect laws are.
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Yeah.
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You know, like the idea that laws are passed and that does not mean that everybody is going
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to enjoy those laws.
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That's certainly the history of America.
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Sure.
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Laws, laws are not, um, like they don't, the application of them is never perfect and rights
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that you have are never fully protected the way that they should be.
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We wouldn't have to have them.
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We wouldn't.
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Okay.
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Like, okay, this law.
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Yes.
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You know that it's against the law for this corporation to do that.
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You know it, we know it, the corporation knows that everybody knows it, but they also know
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come get me.
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You know, it's going to take time and effort and all of this shit and if they can pull
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it off then sure, it's against the law what they're doing, but you don't have the gumption
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to really take them to task for it, right?
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Laws are what can be and what will be enforced.
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Yes.
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That is objectively true.
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I see this as being something along those lines that could be in a civics textbook that
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would help understand the intersection between idealism and realism as it relates to the
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state, the government, all of these things.
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Yeah.
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Saying and doing ain't the same thing.
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For Alex, this is them announcing they are taking our rights away and burning the bill
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into the bar.
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It's ridiculous.
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Yeah, that is very excited about this.
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It does have the energy of the Christian in eighth grade science who's just waiting for
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that moment.
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Oh, and we evolved.
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Ha ha!
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We did not evolve.
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And you're like, oh God, this is going to happen, isn't it?
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Right.
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And let's not, you know, mince words.
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This isn't about the textbook.
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This is about a letter.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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So Alex said, he decides we're going to dig a little deeper into this thing.
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You know, I believe what Ben just said, he lives in Idaho, he lives down the street from
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Jack McClam and the caller just read me a government document being distributed to the
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high school students saying that you don't have a constitutional rights and that we're
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a Roman republic where the common good is there and that we're basically a bunch of
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communists and I've seen similar stuff in textbooks, but it's amazing that they're distributing
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this to the high schoolers.
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So Ben told me he's going to go over to Jack McClam's office.
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We can trust Jack McClam, I trust Ben too, but Jack McClam can have a copy of this.
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He can then call some of the government officials, make sure of its authenticity, and then we'll
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have Jack McClam on in the third hour if he's there, if we can do this.
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But I guarantee you, I'm going to get to the bottom of this, just an amazing document that
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Ben just read on air.
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So Alex is embellishing the content of what the last caller read, but it's also funny
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that he's going to have him go to Jack McClam to do some trustworthy authentication.
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The first issue is that McClam is a completely insane conspiracy theorist who's known to
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preach that the New World Order put color-coded markers on everyone's mailbox that would determine
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what's going to happen to you once the takeover comes.
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That one didn't come true.
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No, but it's like the handkerchief thing, but instead of being about sexual interests,
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it was about the globalists, they're going to kill you maybe, or send you to a camp.
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I like it.
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It's like the lipstick game.
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If that claim made it through McClam's fact-checking, you can imagine it's not so thorough.
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Maybe he's not doing a great job.
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But more to the point, what is there to fact-check here?
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There's no primary source.
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At best, this caller has a chain letter sent out by the Idaho County Farm Bureau that purports
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to contain stuff from a textbook.
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This caller doesn't have that textbook.
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Just really to reinforce it, the Idaho County Farm Bureau.
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Right.
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They're mad about a textbook.
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There's no textbook.
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Well, at least they don't have it.
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We don't have it, yeah.
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But you can see here how excited Alex has.
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He has a new meme at his disposal, and he's going to build a story out of it.
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This is, all things considered, the best outcome from him when he takes calls.
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Someone brings up some kind of document that alludes to apocryphal communist shit, and
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now we're going to make a big show out of proving it accurate.
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Yeah.
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It's amazing.
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No, it is clearly a moment where it's like, oh, we've got a show.
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Now we're off.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that is great.
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It is great.
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It's kind of thrilling, yeah.
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But at this point, there's nothing else Alex can do while he's on air.
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This is up to McClam now.
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Back to talking shit.
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McClam is at the lab, at the McLab, and he is sorting this thing out.
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He is getting in touch with his very relevant and credible sources, and he's going to figure
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it out.
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Yep.
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So in the meantime, Alex has to go back to calls, and he gets a call from a guy who thinks
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that Clinton, sorry, not this guy.
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This guy, the caller, has a friend who thinks that Clinton did a good job because of his
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handling of Rwanda.
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Now, debatable.
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Okay.
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But Alex tells the story of Rwanda and the genocide.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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This is awful, and also does not comport with other times that he's told the story of Rwanda.
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I mean, I love the whole God.
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I talked to somebody who's like, they're in UT law school, a real smart guy, and he's
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in here telling me that Clinton was a great president.
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I'm like, well, why?
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What's so good about him?
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What did he do that was good?
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And he says, well, Rwanda.
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And he always said, it goes back to Rwanda.
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He did the right thing.
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That was a good thing to do.
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Well, in Rwanda, they killed, what, 800,000 Tutsis for their land.
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The Hutus were hired.
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The UN was caught doing it.
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So it's just amazing.
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Hired?
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Yeah.
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But the UN was caught actually, like, causing all the...
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Yeah.
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They killed, they believe, about 100,000 by their own hands.
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They would take the Tutsis into a refugee camp, pull out at night, and have the Hutus
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kill them.
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And there's also video and photos of them cuttering their heads off because the Tutsis
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were the middle class.
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They own the land.
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Uh-huh.
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And the Hutus had been the downtrodden group.
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And so the UN hired the Hutus to kill them so Dutch Royal Shell and others could have
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the oil.
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Okay.
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Where, where should I go to read about this?
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Good question.
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Now, it's in my film of all the news articles, America Destroyed by Design, but I just typed
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in...
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It's in my film.
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In, Behind Rwanda Mass Murder.
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Yeah, man.
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Yeah, that'll, that will definitely, that'll limit your search results for sure.
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Definitely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Citation, my bullshit film.
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You will get, you will get exactly what you're looking for.
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See Alex is making all this shit up and one of the dead giveaways is him saying that the
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UN hired the Hutu to kill the Tutsis so the UN or the Dutch Royal Shell could come take
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the oil.
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That one sounds right.
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Rwanda's not an oil producing country, so this is idiotic, but it's the prevailing narrative
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about the invasion of Iraq, so Alex can't help but trying to make everything connect.
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Just roll it all together.
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It's easier for him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just roll it all together.
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It's ridiculous.
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Pure and simple, Alex is making shit up about a genocide in order to use it for his own
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purposes.
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Yeah.
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He's a huge piece of shit.
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This is, this is unbelievable.
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Um, that's believable, but it's past, it's past the, the line.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Let's say.
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It is, it is like if you're writing a screenplay, you know, the best adapted screenplay category
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often has people who have condensed characters for time, you know, and it's all, it's all
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put there in such a way as to make more sense in the runtime allotted.
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Alex is doing that for real life, which is not good.
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No.
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It's bad.
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It's bad for real life, especially if you are supposed to be the news.
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Yeah, and especially if you're supposed to be the guy who's like broad spectrum, I know
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everything.
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God gave me a roadmap of all history in the world, granted me ultimate discernment among
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all people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Best adapted reality.
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I like that.
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Yup.
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Yup.
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That's a, yup.
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It's, it's a, I mean offensive.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yup.
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So, um, we hit another caller and this guy brings up something that I found very interesting.
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Something that I had forgotten from this period of 2004.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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How you doing Alex?
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Fine.
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I was wanting to know if you'd heard what I heard this morning on one of the news channels,
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I forget which one it was, is it MSNBC or Fox News?
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Okay, doesn't matter.
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Go ahead.
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It was about a waitress at a Starbucks retrieving a napkin that Rumsfeld and somebody else had
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been writing on while having morning coffee talking about the problem of, uh, uh, Mr.
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Clark being eliminated soon and it was like a drawing of his house or something like that.
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I was wondering if you'd heard anything about that.
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Yeah, I did hear about leaked memo shows how they, quote, wanted to deal with Clark and
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I printed it, uh, that was yesterday and that's, and then it got set aside and it's stuck and
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I don't know.
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That's the problem.
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Not mad, it's true.
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I'm getting hit with so much.
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Not mad, it's true.
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No one can call in, mobile phones are loaded.
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Ah, shit.
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No one can call in.
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Fuck.
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What am I going to do?
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All right.
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I did not remember this one.
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No?
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No, I have no memory.
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You didn't remember Donald Rumsfeld planning an execution on a napkin at a Starbucks?
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Rumsfeld planning an execution on a napkin at a Starbucks?
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I don't remember those.
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You forgot it there?
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Yeah, that would be, whew.
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Yeah, that's sloppy.
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From a train craft perspective, that's just, that's just bad work.
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I think you want to do your assassination planning probably not at a Starbucks on a
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napkin.
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Also, foolish to sign it.
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You know?
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Just Rumsfeld.
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Sign Rumsfeld.
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Doodling.
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Doodling assassinations.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, he saw a headline about this and totally meant to cover it, but didn't, which
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is a theme.
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Yeah.
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But he's like, ah, fuck, someone call in and tell us what happened here.
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Right.
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Wait, the phones are loaded.
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I can't.
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Hey, caller, you brought this up.
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You tell me what happened.
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Give me the rundown, yeah.
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Come on.
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I did read just the top of the article, printed it, something came up, and then set it aside
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in a stack.
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Staple.
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It didn't bring it here to the studio.
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Staple.
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And it was on Drudge.
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And it was, you know, memo shows how they plan to deal with Clark.
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And you heard this on the news.
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What did they say?
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Well, it was just like a, maybe a 15 second little blip.
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You know how they just throw it out there on the radar screen and never say anything
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else about it again.
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But it was pretty much that, you know, that was all there was to it was that our napkin
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was retrieved and, you know, it made reference to Richard Clark and, you know, that problem
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being eliminated soon and it was like a sketch of his house.
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That was all.
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Like I said, it was real early this morning.
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That was all.
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Mr. Rumsfeld drawing his house.
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It couldn't have been more than a 10 second little piece.
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Were you watching television?
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Yeah.
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It was, like I said, on one of the...
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Folks, that's the problem.
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I have a stack.
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Oh, for God's sake.
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It probably could be stories as big as what you just talked about.
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I mean, we have the stand down order of Rumsfeld months before 9-11 saying now generals can't
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shoot planes down.
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It's got to come through me.
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I mean, it's so sick.
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Thanks for the call.
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I'm really glad you called.
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Yeah.
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It was worth it.
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For that call.
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That was great.
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A lot of information.
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Yeah.
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So that story.
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Yes.
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As insane as it sounds.
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Yeah.
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Is real.
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Awesome.
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Not all the details and the caller has basic facts wrong, but the day before this episode
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it was reported that someone found handwritten briefing notes at a Starbucks in Washington
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D.C.
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They were written by a guy named Eric Ruff who was going to be then briefing Rumsfeld
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about what the response needed to be to testimony that had been recently given by Richard Clark.
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Okay.
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Clark had told the 9-11 commission that the Bush administration had ignored warnings to
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take Al Qaeda seriously, warnings that he himself had given.
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Sure.
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And he testified about how Bush had been obsessed with Iraq.
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Yeah.
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Prior to any of this, you know, basically some of the stronger testimony that could
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be given that there was a plan that maybe an Iraq war would happen.
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Whatever happened?
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Yeah.
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At least a hope that we'd have a reason to do that.
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Well, the good news is we got that all cleared out.
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So obviously this was a tough spot for the Bush team to be in.
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So this note was found, which wasn't a napkin, and it was about ways to respond and counter
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the narrative that Clark was putting forth.
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Sure.
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It had nothing to do with killing him and it didn't include a drawing of Clark's home.
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Be very strange.
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There was a handwritten map about how to get to Rumsfeld's house, which was likely there
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because Ruff didn't know how to get there and he was supposed to go deliver a briefing.
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Right, right, right.
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So that was it.
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How to get there.
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Some of the primary details.
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Sure.
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A little bit off.
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Sure.
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So if you're listening to Alex's coverage of this, come away with a wrong perspective.
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True, true.
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You might be getting misinformation.
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Now I will say, I will say a little bit of this has to be placed at the feet of Donald
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Rumsfeld.
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If there was a man for whom evil does appear to come naturally, I mean, I saw the documentary.
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I looked a man in the eyes.
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He's a devil.
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He's insane.
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So yeah.
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So you could say that his behavior and such leads people to take more credibly something
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like his assassination planning on a napkin at Starbucks.
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Totally.
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If you said that W is assassination planning, everybody goes, get the fuck out of here.
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He was just drawing a house.
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If you say Rumsfeld was plotting an assassination, they're like, he's plotting my assassination
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right now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so also a waitress didn't find it.
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Someone else who went to the Starbucks found this stuff and then gave it to the Center
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for American Progress, left wing organization.
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They published this.
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Well, yeah, that sounds about right.
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So that's a waitress fighting a napkin, but I think, I think what's getting mixed up here
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is that like famously there was a Rumsfeld napkin from like the time that he was working
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with Gerald Ford.
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Yes.
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And there was like an economist who had drawn like a curve of what you need to do to save,
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fix the economy.
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And that napkin has an association with Rumsfeld.
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And I think because of that, these two things, maybe that was brought up as like some kind
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of context around the story in the piece that this guy saw.
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And he's just mixing all of it up in his head.
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So he's describing like, okay, we saw the briefing notes and then just kind of, it gets
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Mandela affected together with a napkin and then they just condensed to the same story.
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Or the like person who's doing the report that this guy saw on TV brings up the napkin
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as like, this isn't the first time Rumsfeld's been associated with like something left at
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a blah, blah, blah.
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As a fun fact.
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He's got a fun fact.
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Yeah.
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And so I'm just trying to like spit ball ways that this could have gotten missed.
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This game of telephone could have gone wrong.
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Could be there.
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Yeah.
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So we get another caller and they have a pretty, or actually this isn't a, I don't think this
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is actually a caller.
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This is just Alex giving some news.
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Okay.
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Um, there's not really adapted reality.
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Yeah.
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It has to do with, uh, Rick Perry, governor of Texas, employing somebody who's a Mexican
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citizen is no good.
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Uh, governor pretty boy, Perry, uh, turns out he is chief, uh, a negotiator is a Mexican
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citizen.
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And by the way, I already knew about this, but here is the, he's a chronicle, uh, he's
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a lobbyist for the Mexican government and by the way, but sent a Fox was here four months
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ago.
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I bullhorned his speech down.
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He had to shut it down.
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They admitted in the news Lord Fox gave an award to the police chief and others for not
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following the federal law and doing nothing to illegal aliens.
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She actually gave him awards for it.
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It was in the news.
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Was it after conservative Houston activists, Mary Williams, Limbaugh would call her liberal
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received documents confirming the governor, Rick Perry, head of Texas, Mexico relations
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is a Mexican citizen.
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She shared the information with some of her political friends that apparently prompted
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an anonymous letter sent to farmers and ranchers claiming Mexico isn't paying its water debt
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to the United States because Halina Colorado Cole, I apologize.
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I'm not good at law names, Halina Cole, Leandro, a resident alien is negotiating on Texas by
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Hannah and it says now the Texas secretary of state's office is demanding Williams return
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all the documents she received, citing that the inadvertent release of confidential documents,
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just who this public official is.
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The letter also demanded a list from Williams of everyone who she has shared the documents.
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So public documents, they release it, but they are public.
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It's just who this person is registered as, this big government official.
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And it's a Mexican citizen who's a lobbyist for Fox.
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And so they're, they're threatening her with arrest that you tell us who you talk to, who
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you choke this to.
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Everyone will shut up now.
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I don't think they're threatening anyone with arrest.
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I was very confused by that part.
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So it is true that Halina Cole, Leandro Cole, Leandro Perry's then head of Texas, Mexico
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relations was a Mexican citizen.
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But she was also a legal resident of the United States.
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This alone could be seen as iffy, but she's legally allowed to have a job.
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And I don't feel like the fact that she's from Mexico should disqualify her from holding
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a position like that.
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Doesn't it even bolster her candidacy?
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It seems like she could be well equipped to deal with the issues that come up related
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to Texas, Mexico relations.
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Seems really important.
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But I can see how this may be a little bit of an edge case where arguments could go one
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way or another.
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And because of that, Alex has to make shit up in order to make it appear like his side
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is so clearly correct.
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That's why he says that she was a lobbyist for Vincente Fox, which I can find no evidence
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of.
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Okay, that sounds right.
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I found a Dallas Observer article about her, which was exploring the possibility that she
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was hired for a position with the Texas Tomorrow Fund due to nepotism, since her husband was
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the chief of staff for Texas comptroller, Carol Keaton Rylander.
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In that article, it goes extensively through her work history and education, and it doesn't
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really seem like lobbyist for Vincente Fox was a part of it.
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Also, you can kind of tell that Alex has no knowledge of this story from how he begins
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covering it.
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Listen to this clip.
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You'll hear a good indicator.
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And by the way, I already knew about this, but here is the easy chronicle.
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He's a lobbyist for the Mexican government!
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Oh yeah!
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Alex said he.
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Alex thinks the negotiator in question is a dude, because he has zero knowledge about
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this story and he's just kind of winging it.
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The issue with this whole thing is that this anti-tax activist, Mary Williams, made a public
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records request about Coliandro, but the people who were fulfilling this request accidentally
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included her resident alien number, which is not a matter of public record.
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Oh for god's sakes.
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The government wanted that information returned because it's a very sensitive, confidential
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thing.
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Yeah.
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That isn't subject to public records requests.
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Yeah, don't give your social security number out.
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That's the issue that they had.
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They didn't really care about other shit.
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Man, I hate it when they do shit like that.
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That's the most annoying.
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But again, from everything I was able to find, it does seem like that was a legit mistake
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that was made in terms of fulfilling the records request, and it's just being exploited around.
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I think that the only thing really that you have to go on is that she's from Mexico.
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That's the only thing that they're mad about.
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And implying that there's some kind of dual loyalty.
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There's some kind of a working on behalf of Mexico, because she's from Mexico, against
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the United States interests.
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And I don't know if I see any indication of this.
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It is so weird, because it feels like that's that same evolutionary, humans find patterns
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even if there aren't patterns anywhere.
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Just as like, oh, this is why whenever you look up at the sky, it looks like there's
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a guy out there.
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It's because your brain makes that happen.
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That idea of like, well, you know, dual Mexico is just instantly like, that doesn't mean
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anything.
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No.
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It's just born.
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She'd lived here for over a decade, gone to university here, had jobs in marketing and
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stuff here.
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And it's just basically like, you can't trust people who are not American.
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I find it very, I don't know, I'm not convinced.
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I've never understood the idea.
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I get people being like, oh, America is the greatest, and that's why they want to destroy
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us.
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But I don't get why you wouldn't go, America is the greatest, and that's why they want
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to make America, that's why they want to join us, because it's fucking awesome.
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She's lived in America for a decade, because it's fucking great.
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You know?
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Isn't that the idea?
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Why aren't we all like, yeah, it's fucking great here.
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Sure.
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I mean, that makes sense.
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Yeah.
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But then also, in order to make this argument to cast suspicion on this person, Alex has
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to make stuff up.
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Like that she's a lobbyist for Vincente Fox.
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That seems weird.
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Yeah.
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You could not be.
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Well, and definitely this article that he's talking about, this Chronicle article, does
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not say that at all.
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And that's why it's weird when Alex is reading the article.
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Benjamin Hanson, general counsel of the Secretary of State, Gioff Conner, loving conservative,
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said he is just trying to recover a document that contains information that could be used
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to invade the privacy of the foreign lobbyists.
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So in the actual article, it says invade Colandro's privacy, and Alex switches it to invade the
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privacy of the foreign lobbyists.
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Now you can tell when he's editorializing for, like, he makes it a loving conservative
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or whatever.
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That isn't a strong indicator that he's deviating from the text of the article.
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When he says invade the privacy of the foreign lobbyists, he's using the same reading voice.
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It looks like quotes.
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And that is intentional.
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That is lying.
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He is lying to the audience by way of presentation.
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Something as if this article actually says the thing that backs up his claim when it
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doesn't.
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He's a fucking liar.
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Yeah.
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That's very true.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's about all I got on that.
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I mean, you fucking nailed him to the wall.
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What else is there to say?
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You see a man nailed to the wall, you go, damn, he got nailed.
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There's some nails.
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Yep.
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It's now.
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Yeah.
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Big news.
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We have fact-checked the document.
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Well, good.
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We're back on the...
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Okay, sweet.
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All right.
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Awesome.
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Yeah.
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The narrative continues.
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Chekhov's farm letter.
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Right.
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Has come through.
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Right.
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Listen to the excitement.
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I wasn't going to have any guests on today, but a caller, Ben in Idaho, called my first
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hour and Ben said that the local school district had issued a document to the high school seniors
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that there is no bill of rights, that we are here to serve the state.
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And it just turned out that he is friends with Jack McClam.
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And I believe the individual, when he read the document, but I had to check it out and
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he's now faxed it to me.
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But to doubly check it, I had Jack McClam get a hold of it in the last 30 minutes and
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make some calls and do some stuff.
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And it is the local county document.
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It's a document.
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What is he trying to present this as?
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I don't get it.
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I tell you this right now.
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I want to go back to when the conspiracy is the school gave a document to seniors and
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at no point in time is everybody a pedophile.
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That is true.
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It's great.
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There's something refreshing about the...
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A document?
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...tameness of this conspiracy.
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To seniors?
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Uh-huh.
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Who fucking cares?
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Is it a document or is it a textbook that you're misrepresenting?
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And even then, what would a high school senior care?
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That's a good question.
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Yeah.
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I mean...
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Have you met a high school senior?
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When I was a senior, I don't think I would have cared too much.
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Oh, the Bill of Rights.
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I'm still trying to get laid.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Also, let me be clear about this.
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Alex is making up the high school senior thing.
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100%.
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That's just out of thin air.
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Let's be clear about that.
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Yeah.
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Although I like it as a detail.
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I think that a book like this that's giving kind of basic stuff on civics might be closer
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to freshman.
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I don't know if that's senior year stuff.
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I mean, now it's senior year.
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Back then, it was freshman.
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It might even be junior high level kind of stuff.
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Anyway, we got this fact checked.
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I do love the coming in with that blustery, crashing through the lies.
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Oh, he loves it.
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He loves it.
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Just think for a second about the lies that we've seen just on this episode.
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Crashing through a...
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Crashing up that this person worked for Vincente Fox.
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Completely botching the story about the napkin.
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That's a car crash.
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Yeah.
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Saying that the UN hired the Hutu to kill the Tootsie.
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Jury's still out on that one.
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Not so sure.
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Oh.
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So yeah, maybe Alex should calm down a little bit with how he's crashing through the lies.
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I know, but this is really exciting to him.
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So he's got Jack McLamb there to get into this.
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Jack starts by misrepresenting the call that Ben made earlier in the show.
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Great.
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We were there.
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And I got a call in the first hour from Ben in Idaho.
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And I believed Ben.
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You know, I've got good discernment.
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And the document he was reading sounded official.
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Damn it.
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20 years.
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It's similar to what I've seen them teaching at the universities.
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And it said that, in a nutshell, we're going to read it on air in a second.
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It said that there's no constitutional rights.
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You don't really have any rights.
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We're going to take all your rights.
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First it was just the Second Amendment.
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But America isn't about making money or having your own life.
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It's about serving the state, and the state's your master.
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Weird thing to put in a book.
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And this is given to the high school seniors.
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Yeah.
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I don't feel like this accurately reflects anything.
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I am still hung up on this idea.
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Because now the more I think about it, the more I think everybody is kind of obsessed
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with this idea that high school seniors are paying attention to what you think.
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Yeah.
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Oh, we can't let high school seniors read this.
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Believe me, dude.
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You don't need to worry about it.
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The one thing you don't need to worry about is what it is a high school senior is reading
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about the United States government right now.
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I don't know if it's universal in all schools.
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But I remember that there was just a mandatory civics maybe trimester or something like that.
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And it happened when you're in junior high maybe, and no one cared.
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No one gave a shit.
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It was like they almost, and that would be a conspiracy, is that they put civics, something
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that is incredibly important, in a place where no one would ever pay attention to it.
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And it's a mere formality.
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Totally.
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And everybody's acting like you shouldn't care the whole time.
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Like the teacher that told me all this stuff about civics was like, eh, this won't come
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important.
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And it's like, eh, well, I'm Trump.
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So the glam comes in, and he lays out a bit of a conspiracy about what's going on here.
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But we're concerned about our schools all across the country, and we're following up
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on these things as fast as we can.
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Praise God for Betty Defrini, their president of the Idaho County Farm Bureau, that brought
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it to our attention, this book that's being taught from, that is being offered at a very
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low price to the schools, extremely low price, so every school can afford it, because most
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textbooks are very expensive, but it's called We the People, and it's right along the lines
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of the Humanist Magazine in 1983.
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Remember when John Dunphy said, I'm convinced that the battle for humankind's future must
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be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers that correctly perceive their
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role as proselytizers of the new faith, which will replace the rotting corpse of Christianity.
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Sure.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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That might be coming in a little hot.
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Yeah.
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You got a letter.
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From the Idaho County Farm Bureau.
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And we're skipping straight to, and that's how we're going to destroy Christianity worldwide.
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That's something.
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Yep.
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I had a difficult time trying to get to the bottom of this, because We the People is a
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fairly common name for textbooks, but there are a number of options that it could be,
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and from stuff that I've skimmed, I don't know if it's destroying God, I find this to
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be a little bit excessive.
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I mean, I would be in a sort of, there is a sort of curiosity I have towards what would
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be in a civics textbook now, but it would be assuaged almost immediately within two
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seconds of reading it, and be like, oh yeah, I'm bored by this, and then I'd be done.
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Again, this is why you shouldn't care what high school seniors think about this.
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You're a classic high school senior.
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Exactly.
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Just bored by civics.
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What's this?
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Who cares?
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Moving on.
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So, I'm not clear what fact-checking has been done past MacLam saw the letter.
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True.
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I think that's all that's going on here.
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He had a really good quote.
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Well, that one from Dunphy.
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Yeah, that was a pretty good quote.
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Sure.
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So we got two things at least.
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Slight paraphrasing also, I should say.
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I believe you.
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But like, I don't know what's being fact-checked here, and I also think that if you listen
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to what he's saying, he doesn't even know if it's in any schools.
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He thinks...
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He says it's just offered cheap.
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Oh, it's cheap.
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That's his angle on this.
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It's like, oh, you can tell that it's the government because it's so cheap.
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And it's offered cheap so that people will use it because all other books are really
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expensive.
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Right.
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Which doesn't tell me that it is being used.
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I mean, in my experience, if something's on a must-go-off-the-shelves sale, that's usually
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not because it's been selling too good.
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No.
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No.
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No.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I'm just not convinced.
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But Jack McLam believes that there should be very serious consequences.
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Smoking gun.
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This is it.
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Well, and punishments should be coming.
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Oh, and they'll beam it out.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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For everyone involved in this textbook scheme, top to bottom.
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And then to see the textbooks, and that We the People textbook is out there nationwide,
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we're getting calls.
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nationwide.
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Getting calls.
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Sure you are.
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And it shows us what they want.
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Well, it's absolutely treason, is what it is, Alex, and you can't call it by any other
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name.
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Nope.
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You know, it's absolute treason, and these people ought to be called up and prosecuted
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for treason.
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Wow.
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They're putting out this information because it's totally against our constitutional system,
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and they know it, and it's to undermine this nation and overthrow it.
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And by the way, if they wanted to publish books as part of the First Amendment and tell
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us communism and evil and wickedness is good, that's their right.
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But when they collude to put it in the schools as part of a conspiracy, a program, that's
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not the First Amendment, that's the government destroying the Bill of Rights and Constitution,
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and that is treason according to the Constitution.
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You haven't proven any collusion here.
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You haven't proven any of this shit.
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If anything, you've just made a great argument against faith-based organizations and schools.
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That is true.
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That is true.
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I see no evidence of treason.
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Nope.
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I see no evidence that this is an attempt to destroy the country.
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It's ridiculous.
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What part of it could be treason?
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I mean, even if it's, at best, willful misunderstanding of a sentence.
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On their part.
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Maybe poorly written textbook material.
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Perhaps.
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Maybe.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I just, I yearn for this in some sense.
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This kind of Alex episode where it's just, nothing's happening.
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Stakes are low.
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He's talking a bunch of bullshit with callers, and then something happens that gets his attention
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and it turns into a show.
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We have this letter from the Iowa Farm Bureau.
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Idaho County Farm Bureau.
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That becomes like, oh, we've got documents.
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Amazing.
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This is proof of treason.
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Yeah.
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You have a letter from the Idaho County Farm Bureau and you want to hang people.
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What?
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Yep.
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This will be forgotten.
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There is the stories of the Mad Kings and that kind of stuff when you get so paranoid
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that even the slightest thing makes you go, ah, execute him.
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That makes sense, I guess, if you're a king because you can do it, but if you're just
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some asshole like, ah, execute that guy, execute that guy, execute them all.
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You're a fucking Jack McLamb, calm down.
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Exactly.
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You've got a letter from the Idaho County Farm Bureau.
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Okay?
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Yeah.
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I would say that, I was going to say I'd take this more seriously if they had the actual
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book, but I'm not sure that I would.
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I don't know.
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I don't think so.
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Because, so McLamb ends up reading stuff from the textbook, but it's all just the stuff
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that the guy previously read from the letter.
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Amazing.
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He clearly just has the letter.
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Amazing.
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And so, I don't know.
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Treason.
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People are a little dramatic.
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This is a little bit like an episode of the Magic School Bus.
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You know, like everybody's sitting around, finally we have a question that deserves the
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Magic School Bus.
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So we get on the Magic School Bus, we discover, of course, the way that the government works,
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and apparently that filters back through to buying textbooks, cheap textbooks.
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That's right.
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And then Ms. Frizzle's like, and that's why they're coming to steal your children.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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And destroy God and overthrow the country.
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Yes.
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For communism.
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For communism.
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Yep.
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That's a good plan.
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If it works, if it works, that is the cheapest way to win I've ever heard.
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So in order for this really to work, so I'm guessing, okay, here's what the conspiracy
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has to be.
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All right.
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So the globalists, they make this textbook that has undermining information about the
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United States government.
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Laws aren't real kids, but you guys want to smoke a dope joint?
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So they create this book under the guise of a textbook.
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We love textbooks.
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Because they have all the Rothschild money, and they don't care about a return on investment.
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They can sell this book cheap.
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Frankly, they wish they could pay you to take it.
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Absolutely.
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But they can't.
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That would be suspicious.
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Much like Ted Anderson does with his silver.
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Exactly.
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I'll give you a silver coin to read my dope information.
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Yes.
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That is suspicious.
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You're right.
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Yes.
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So they sell it really cheap, knowing that the government has a low education budget.
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So we could go one of two ways with this.
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They're exploiting the low education budget.
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A little bit of column A.
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Or they're in cahoots with the government.
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A little bit of column B.
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And they're making the price low so the government can have an excuse to use these clear communist
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textbooks.
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See, this is where I got hung up.
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Yeah.
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Because that, to me, suggests that they also control the price of other textbooks, thus
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making it so that they could make these other textbooks look more unattractive in comparison.
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Pump the brakes.
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The conspiracy is now that the globalists have written all civic textbooks.
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All textbooks.
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Right?
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You have to add that in there.
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And the ones that are good, they are artificially inflating the price of.
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Why did you spend so much money writing textbooks you don't want people to send?
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Full spectrum dominance.
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You gotta cover all your bases.
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Vertical integration.
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Right.
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Yeah, I get you.
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I get you.
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So I think we got to the bottom of it.
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I think we fixed this one.
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Oh, boy.
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I think this one's...
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What a dumb episode.
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I kind of really like it.
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So one thing that I have been really clear about, and I will stand by this until my dying
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breath.
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Your man.
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Alex is very bad at predicting things.
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Yes, that's true.
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He has this reputation that is unearned and based on bullshit and misrepresentations that
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he's good at predicting things.
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He's good at self-promotion.
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Certainly.
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He's good at exploiting attention economies, and that's more or less what he does.
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And the way he brands himself is a profit guy.
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Also, by the way, I realize that we're in 2004 because one of the things that we're
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trying to figure out is Alex saying that the bath party is going to...
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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They're going to be put back into power.
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They are being put back into power.
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Yes.
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Completely forgotten about that.
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And Alex has not brought it up in quite a while.
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Ever.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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And so now we're sort of in just no man's land of...
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And we're talking about how bad he is at predicting things.
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That's kind of a piece of it.
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He's so bad at it and so wrong in this thing in the past that I forgot that that's what
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I was supposed to be paying attention to.
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Yeah.
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I think the true irony of this would be if that's the one thing that he's never spoken
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about again.
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I wouldn't be surprised.
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And if we spend...
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Yeah.
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And then we spend the rest of our lives going through each episode.
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Fine tooth comb.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that was the only thing that he just said and dropped for good.
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I get the sense that possibly at this point he's realized how incredibly wrong that was
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and he's just stopped.
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You would think.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Or...
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But we'll never find out.
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We'll never know.
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Until...
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So anyway, he's bad at predicting things.
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Yes.
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But in the interest of fairness, I decided to include a prediction that Alex makes that
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he's actually totally correct about.
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Okay.
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Do you think Bush is gonna be re-elected or do you think we're gonna see F. Kerry?
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I've been saying for three years I think Bush will be re-elected.
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As I said, John F. Kerry two years ago would be the running mate.
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He's the running mate, not the candidate Bush is running against.
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He's the coffin mate, because they're skull and bones, skeleton mate of Bush, the cousin
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of Bush, and it's all a staged deal.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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I predict George...
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Will be our next Lloyd.
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All right, a little bit fancy and maybe he's a little bit off on some things, but the question
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was is Bush gonna get re-elected, and Alex says, I think he is.
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I predict that he is.
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Now granted, this is a pretty easy prediction to make.
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Was not hard.
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I think a lot of people, even people on the left, as I recall this election, no one really
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thought that Kerry had much of a chance.
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It was one of the...
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He was a very uninspiring candidate for the most part.
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Bush had the wartime president vibe going, so I don't think anybody would have...
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I don't know, maybe some people did, but I don't think most people would put their money
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on Kerry.
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I seemingly recall, perhaps more than in any other election in my lifetime, everyone agreeing
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that Kerry sucked.
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Even the people who were...
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No, totally, no.
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We're voting for you, we're...
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Against Bush.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The people who worked for Kerry were like, listen, we know Kerry sucks, that's fine,
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but like, come on, look at him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And all of the galvanizing energy that I remember was all like, he's not Bush.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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And Bush sucks, look at this war.
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It was like the beginning of the Never Trump, it was like the proto version of that, like,
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listen, we're just getting anything but this guy, even if it makes you want to stab yourself
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in the throat to vote for that guy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so I think that it's an unimpressive prediction that Alex makes.
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I would be far more impressed if he would have guessed Kerry and Kerry somehow magically
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won.
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That would have been cool.
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Because that would have been a pretty out there prediction to make.
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Or if he was like, who else ran?
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Alan Keyes?
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I don't know who else was running that year.
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That is one of those things where it's like people remember Kerry for the Swift Boat episode
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as far as like the lore of the election goes.
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But that's given far more credit for what really was everybody just looked at Kerry
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and were like, you are the most boring person I can think of.
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Well, without Swift Boat in that whole affair happening, Kerry probably still wouldn't have
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won.
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I don't think anybody has any illusions about that.
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But it did make a big dent in some of his support, and it was one of the more dirty
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tricks that was played in recent electoral history at that point.
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So I understand why it sticks out in people's minds as like a really important thing.
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Well, also nothing else was really going on.
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True.
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It was so boring.
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So fucking boring.
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Yeah.
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Congratulations, Alex.
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You were right about that one.
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One prediction coin in the jar.
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I think that's good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What's that put in?
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It's a negative 998,994.
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Bottles of beer on the wall.
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You bet.
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Yeah.
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Something along those lines is correct.
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So we come to the end of this, and we've really, really taken a lot of time to care about the
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Idaho County Farm Bureau's letter.
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Their chain fear letters.
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There is a certain part of my soul that feels like, yes, this is what we're for.
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On a certain level, that we have so many times touched on very important subjects.
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That seems bad, but we should be here.
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Somebody needs to make sure that the Idaho County Farm Bureau is not given free rein
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to just panic the people about it.
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They are out of pocket.
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No.
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But here's the other thing, too.
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This is something that I've maybe stressed a little bit in the recent past, but something
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I think is important to recognize is that Alex's career is largely yelling about drudge
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headlines and your grandma's chain emails.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In the present day, there's so much stuff that's just based on tweets and memes and
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completely erroneous or unsourced kind of bullshit that comes on social media, and at
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this point in his career, it really isn't different.
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It's a fucking chain letter that somebody got from the Idaho County Farm Bureau.
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It's something that's from a message board.
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It's a headline that I skimmed on drudge about a napkin.
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It's not any different.
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His career has been trivial as shit for almost the entire career in terms of where is the
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information that he's getting and disseminating to you coming from.
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It might as well just be memes all the way down.
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No, it is not unlike the round-up kind of show format.
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If he was on VH1 doing those little boxes right next to your head things, doing a 30
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second splash for each one, that would be about right.
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It's like, here's your day's round-up, Idaho County Farm Bureau, going crazy, bah, next,
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you know?
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Yeah, post on a weird gun-themed message board.
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But that's the thing, though, right?
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It's disposable.
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That's the idea.
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It's not like we're talking about journalism or real stories per se.
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We're talking about just the Idaho County Farm Bureau's chain emails.
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It's fun, yes!
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No one is going to be hurt.
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A lot of people are hurt.
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I mean, obviously, yes, Christianity will be destroyed in the United States.
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Well, if this textbook gets its way.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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But other than that, you know, nobody's-
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God, they found this textbook, because otherwise, our country would have been overthrown, and
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God would be destroyed.
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I mean, woof.
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You know, but God doesn't let those kind of mistakes happen.
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No, that's why he created Alex in the womb.
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To keep that textbook away from the hands of-
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His life's work has been achieved.
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Away from the hands of those high school seniors, hungry and waiting for change.
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Whose minds would have been blown by this civics textbook, would have woken them up
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to the truth that laws aren't real, man.
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It definitely wouldn't have made them go, oh, I will go back outside and get high again.
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Right.
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I'm going to pretend to have read this so I can do my homework.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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So, anyway, happy New Year, y'all.
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Happy New Year.
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We'll be back with a new episode in the new year.
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Indeed!
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Let's say new year more.
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That's the plan.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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We're somewhere on social media.
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We are.
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TBD in the new year.
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It will be there.
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Yep.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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No!
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We can't afford it!
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And now, here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
