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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge right? I'm dead

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I'm Jordan workable dudes like to sit around where she put the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Joe

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Oh, indeed. We are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. So it's right spot today buddy side point side point

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I'll get to my bright spot in a moment. Okay, but I need to bring this up because I feel real dumb about this

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Oh, are we are we getting into the big?

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Nevermind, um, what the Big Bend situation? No, although Oh two points. Yeah, okay

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first thing I

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said sneeze remix

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Oh

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During the theme song of our last episode because we're just before that you sneezed right huge

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It didn't register

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Like I sound like a lunatic

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He was I was worried that that was going to be the case. It was

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it was the case and I appreciate I did not get

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a dragged no for that but it's it's still so I felt real dumb I

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Swear it was in the ear in the headphones. No. No, I didn't hear it in my headphones

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I knew and I knew when you did that you were like you totally thought it was

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I would have bet anything but here's what's fun about that

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Yeah, you've once again revealed to all of our newer listeners

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You know that we listen to the deep song every single time a little less editing to do

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a little shortcut

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I remember whenever I think it was Marty who was guessing on him back whenever I kept talking over the whatever was the technocrat drops

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Yeah stuff. He was like, oh, I didn't know you got he was really doing that every time do that in post literally every time

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Yep, and then okay. So the second point, yes

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We speculated that Alex was talking about us talking about him going to Big Bend. Yes in

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London right and they said no, it's Big Bend the National Park, correct

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And I would refer them to our London episode where I made a joke about how Alex kept saying Big Bend

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The National Park about Big Ben the clock. Yeah

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So look, I understand he could have been talking about Big Bend. I

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Don't believe he was I think he was specifically talking about how fans mobbed

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Which he pronounces Big Bend got a bunch of tweets about that

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I I do I do love it. Whatever we get what what we get massive reactions for corrections on

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Very specific and very wamba fine. I'm aligned them. We're yeah

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Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah, we'll accept that huge huge backlash for that. Totally Big Bend quite a large backlash

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Unnecessary backlash to the backlash. That's not having right now. Yeah, so I have a bright spot. Okay, I

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Mentioned on our last episode also that I had some thoughts about Italian food, but that would be for another day

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That is today that day has come I've been really into the cacchio e Pepe

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Pasta dish

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Pecorino and pepper. Okay black pepper cheese very simple

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Simple dish. Uh-huh. Wait, it's just black pepper and cheese

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I mean, it really depends on where you get it if you get it from a place that's kind of not good

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Which I have done. Uh-huh. It is basically just sort of spaghetti ish noodles with Parmesan and Pecorino and pepper

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And it's you know, it's still

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Fine, right, but I don't have great taste

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Sure

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Okay, and so other other times again and I sort of like a little bit of a cheese sauce a little like ricotta

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Sauce. Okay. I gotcha. Yeah, so there's a little bit

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Ideally, you have a little bit of a cheese sauce that is there with it a little white sauce

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And then the Pecorino and the pepper. Yeah, that's good. I enjoy it. I've always been a red sauce

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Marinara type of guy with my pastas

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This is sort of a branching out for me. This is a pretty big pretty big deal. Yeah

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Not a pasta guy. No, nope. Don't like sauces don't like cheeses and I think noodles are difficult to eat

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They are but that's you don't like fun

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How is eating noodles fun because you got to chase them down

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Okay, I like a good soba noodle, but I mean I don't know you

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Listen, you're right. You're right. I really don't like Italian

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Well, I yeah, that's it. You're actually right. There's too much fucking butter. There's too much goddamn butter. Okay

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That's what you want to hear it is I want honesty. That's what I want. I've got it

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You just don't like the Italian. I like the sparse

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Direct and purity of the flavor that the Japanese provide. Okay, do you you like a ramen?

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Yes, I do. I do appreciate a good ramen. All right. Yeah case closed. It's close. What's your brain spot?

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There's a show I saw I saw a new show

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Called scavengers rain. Okay, and it is

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It's like a cartoon. It's like an animated show Wow

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I was kind of hoping it was gonna be a reality show on the History Channel or people scavenge

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you know, but but what is cool about it is that it is a

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sci-fi and it's the type of sci-fi where they let go of a lot of like

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soap opera kind of stuff and they just really embrace like

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Okay, if we're on an alien planet, what kind of weird shit would be on that fucking planet, right?

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Certainly wouldn't be bottle caps. No, it's not

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it's so so it is literally like so many different opportunities for somebody's imagination of like

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What life cycles could exist and how they could interact with like space archaeology?

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Yeah, 100% and then they put people in like they've gotten and there's there's pretty good stories and characters and all this stuff built up

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Around it but so much of the joy is like, you know the in the title scavengers rain

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all of the things that they're dealing with are the life cycles of

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Scavengers on this planet and how they're going about surviving and it's so cool. That sounds fun. Yeah

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Yeah, and the best the best type of that, you know is when you when you look at something and you go

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Oh, that's weird. And then you it makes you look back at the earth and go

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Oh, that would be equally weird from their point of view. Can you believe they put butter on noodles?

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I'm talking more about like, you know

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if so, how is it possible that something's life cycle is they inject your their babies into your head and then the baby involves your

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Brain and then the brain makes you go to this place and then you poop and then the baby starts all over again

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It does somebody that's nuts. Right? Well humans don't do that. Not all of us. Mmm. I dare say most I

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Had a great idea for a TV show while you were talking. Yeah

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Yeah, my people have great ideas for other things as they wait for me to finish. So it's it's my show

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Where people are scavenging things sure and so it's people and like all the audio

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Uh-huh is the actual like people like oh we found this thing over here

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But then you animate it and then you draw whatever you want there your whole your imagination can run wild

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But okay the audio track of people actually scavenging. All right. All right going out and finding little knickknacks here and there

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Okay, so do you want to do it? Where in you've got them?

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Actually, like the show is them going through all this

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I'm thinking kind of letting post you draw in what they find

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I'm kind of thinking like a less annoying American pickers. Okay, have you seen that show? I have seen that show

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Yeah, kind of less annoying less produced than that. Okay, and then it's animated so you could just draw in whatever sure see cuz now

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I'm thinking of a live-action show where people go

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Scavenge, but then when they find something you like animate what it was that they could have found

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So and then they have to react based on that

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Wait, I'm traveling through time in this in this scenario

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I believe I believe I am traveling to people who are there pulling something out of the ground or whatever

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Yeah, we'll have to hold it and then react to the thing that you animate later on. Yes

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There's some problems with production. I

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I mean, I thought people haven't thought about using time travel more banal ways

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Yeah, and they haven't thought of ways to like make TV production even more cumbersome

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God we're gonna have to budget more for time travel now shed the time travelers union is going to

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Really take issue. Well, they always have honestly and always will

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So Jordan today we have an episode to go over. All right, that's never gonna happen again. Nope

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We're gonna be talking about November 9th

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2023 okay, that is Thursday. Yeah of last week. Yep, and that's because

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Jackson Hinkle came on and writes I made a reference to that now we got to pay it off, right?

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So now I can finally figure out what a Jackson Hinkle is. Yeah, okay

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I will say it's his real name and it is unfortunate in and fortunate in some ways because it is very memorable

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Sure, but also Hinkle has too much like stink kind of you know, it's really real schoolyard bully

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Lay up kind of thing. I mean

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Stinkle here's the thing. I I'm

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Ace Ventura's pet detective. I'll never get over Hinkle and Einhorn. Oh, I didn't even think of that

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See that that's the thing that I can't get out of my mind. It's not my fault, right?

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It's I didn't make the movie. No, it's definitely

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Problematic in that now it's definitely

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Jim Carrey's fault. Yeah. Yes

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Yes

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We'll get down to business on this episode and I was actually gonna include some of the Friday's episode too

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But I decided no, I don't care fair enough. But before we do let's say hello to some new walks

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Oh, that's great. So first the 20th is our wedding anniversary and we've been together for 17 years

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I just wanted you to say I love you bath, and I'm so happy to be with you

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Is this is this the same one?

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No, okay. So these are separate. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that was the end of that and you're now policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk fell apart at the end there. Yeah. No, we're back on track but base

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great

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Happy anniversary to you and your partner

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This I thought was the same one because it looked like it trailed off right also. I'm neo. I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clark

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I'm Jesse. I'm a first-time emailer. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. You know what? I don't think I could do this anymore. Fuck Alex Jones

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I quit thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much

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Thank you so much to a Kingsley chop. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much and Nick from Connecticut is liberal. He's liberal. He's liberal. He rules, but you're now policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Oh boy. I really feel bad that I biffed that wedding anniversary one

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Thankfully if it appears there's a second

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Second shot at a shout out here

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So we have a technocrat in the mix. So thank you so much to dear Sarah

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We didn't mean to schedule our wedding on your 30th birthday

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Please accept our apology in the form of a shout out sincerely Aneta and Robert. Thank you so much. You are now technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark

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Jar-jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little titty, baby

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I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. So that's a fun shout out there. Yeah, thank you very much

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but also

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We got a lot going on here. Sure. We got a happy birthday message

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There is a lot there you're you're knocking them all out in one go. Uh-huh. Yeah, we have humble brag about getting married. Totally

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So much calling you out for being 30 right as opposed to being like a happy birthday no

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Specifically 30 and making it sound like you are so mad

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Oh wedding is on your birthday so much so that you have to reach out to and get an apology on the show

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Yeah, oh boy. I can't believe it. This is deep. Yep. Yep. So

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It does

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So Jordan we start and Alex is not just gonna have

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Jackson Hinkle here on the show. Okay. Here's some other guests

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All right, and one of them is a real loser who may not be allowed to practice law anymore. All right

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I uh spent a couple hours yesterday on some very disturbing phone calls with lawyers and others

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Dealing with January 6

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convictees in the kangaroo courts

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Namely my old friend Joe big and others Joe Biggs. They are torturing the living snot out of them in prison

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They don't just have Owen in solitary confinement

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they are torturing the hell out of them and

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It's standard torture that they do to political prisoners

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We're gonna be joined by Joe Biggs his lawyer

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Norm Patis and

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One of the leaders and one of the main activist groups has been in contact with all of the major

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People that were convicted in the kangaroo courts in DC

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Yeah, so you got Norm Patis coming in to talk about how Joe Biggs is being tortured. I

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Would say this is the first time that I would legitimately be interested in talking to Norm Patis

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No, you're not we're not we're not gonna actually listen to much of this

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well

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For one reason and it has nothing to do with what he's doing and everything to do with the fact that I read that he

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Went to a comedy fantasy camp. Oh, yeah, I saw that I want to know more about that

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Adam Carolla's comedy fantasy camp. It's like the ace man. What the fuck is going on here? How is that possible?

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What what am I doing where I live in a world? How do you have the time right now?

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I mean, yeah, I mean not just that but like last year

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I'm watching fucking Norm Patis look like an idiot and then this year

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I just find out he was hanging out with Alonzo Bowden. Yeah, what are we doing here?

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Honestly based on based on my assessment of his performance. He could use that boot camp. Yeah, you really could

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I don't usually recommend comedy classes for people but in this case you need it buddy

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He spent so much money on it God, I hate this world. Yeah, I hate this world

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He can spend he could throw away grand upon grand on a bull and it's Adam Carolla should be less successful

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Except for Alonzo. He's cool. Dude. He's gonna teach teach an Orpatus how to do a lightning round with Ace Rockola

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Who else is that I bet Leno was that I'm sure

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Was there yeah, I don't even need to guess anymore Leno was there. Yep

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I'll come up with some more deep love line

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By the end of this thing

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Remember if aces. Oh, no, that was that was on love line aces ranchero accordion countdown. That was always fun

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Nope, don't remember that one. So that was one that they'd get really bored in the doing the show

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Anderson, I think the engineer whoever was the engineer at the time. Yeah would start

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a ranchero song and they would before that they would make bets on how long it would take for the accordion to start

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Which seemed hilarious at the time and now looking back?

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It's a flat bit. It's a little flat. Oh

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My god, I didn't even realize this and I bet he didn't tell him

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Can you imagine?

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How much you would roast somebody who came to your comedy class if they had just lost one and a half billion dollars in a?

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Court case they didn't even know

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They didn't I bet they didn't know I bet

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Roasted patties. I didn't read the entire article, but I read the little part about norm

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Uh-huh, and part of it was a roast battle. Uh-huh, like between the contestants or the people who are taking the class

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Yeah, and they were making fun of norm for being the proud boys lawyer

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But were they making fun of him for being a loser?

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Probably I mean it's a roast battle. All right, fine fair enough

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I think if I were in roast battle and my opponent was norm, I would just look I quit. Ah boy life life one

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Yeah, life beat you and I can't do this to

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Fucking Adam Carolla as a comedy cam what fun whatever so we're not gonna listen to much of that

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Interview and part of the reason is because a fair amount of the stuff that he's talking about. I kind of believe is happening

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I'm not sure if it's torture

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It's stuff like you know, they're being told that they're being transferred to another prison and then they get out

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And and on and then they have to be transferred to another place

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They're being like handcuffed for long periods of time. Sure stuff that I kind of believe is probably happening

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Yeah

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but they think it's only happening to them right and I find that to be a really annoying way of discussing the abuses of the

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The prison system. Yeah, and I think that there is round criticism to be made of how prisoners are treated

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And I do believe that even some January 6th

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People who are incarcerated probably are subject to unfair treatment within the prison system

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Yeah to pretend it's only them is a disservice to the real criticism

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That actual activists make and I find it

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Loathsome. Yeah of them. So I'm not even going to engage with their piss ant nonsense now, that's yeah

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but there's another topic and that is that

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There's a GOP debate. We talked about this a little bit on the last episode. That's right

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I forgot there was a GOP debate fake. Yes, they debate each other. He did his thing. Okay here Alex has a take

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Okay, as a fake take the debate had less than a million viewers

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But on Steven Crowder's show last night, I was on it had two million viewers. At least they're a joke and

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Vivek skip the break

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Literally nailed them when he said they shouldn't have NBC. Yeah, right a Republican debate. There's no Republicans watching

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NBC and MSNBC

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we should have Joe Rogan and Elon Musk and

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Tucker Carlson hosting this they're the populace. They're so popular. Why do we keep kissing the ass of the establishment?

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No, one's watching us because we're idiots

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To the system we keep acting like it's still in power. It's a facade that blew over

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Yeah, I mean on some level. Why don't you do that? Yeah

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What's stopping you? I mean, yeah from having a debate on Rogan's show

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I imagine Rogan doesn't want to they don't they I mean, I understand that's a lot of pressure

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I don't think Rogan wants that kind of heat

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the only reason that they're like

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the RNC debates is because the RNC like organizes them and the news and I think I think a lot of candidates who want to be

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Taken seriously probably wouldn't show up on a Rogan debate

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Yeah, because there's a lot of stuff that Rogan's done and said in the past that they would not want to be associated with sure

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You know, it's very easy to find the clips that Alex used to attack him back when they were having their little fight the ones where?

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he

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Went to a theater full of black people and said it was like Planet of the Apes sure that kind of stuff

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maybe a serious candidate would not necessarily want to

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be associated with this and and

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Lend their credibility to it. Yeah, maybe I don't know. Yeah for now for now though, right?

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I mean like Alex is it there is a certain point that he's making that is correct, which is that if the debates?

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that are put on by legacy media and

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Gatekeeper people. Yeah for the reason of let's not have a circus explode on us, right?

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If those are getting a million views

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that's not enough to compete with a debate on Rogan show that gets 20 million and

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Eventually politicians are going to make the choice of sure

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There's respectability and then there's getting 20 million more votes. I don't I don't disagree

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Yeah, that calculus is probably in in flux. Yeah

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And I also think like on some level

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The Vake is kind of right like he's not right about a lot of stuff, but he is right that like

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Probably a Republican debate doesn't make sense to be happening on a mainstream media platform anymore

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Yeah, like very that's a really good point

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They are completely foreign to this and I think he even made the point it's like would the Democrats have a debate hosted by?

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Greg Gutfeld I'm like, well, first of all, Greg Gutfeld is not the right choice to go with. Yeah, that doesn't make sense

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Yeah, there wouldn't be a Democratic national debate on Fox News hosted by Tucker or something like that. That wouldn't happen

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It did that in the past, but it wasn't hosted by Tucker

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It wasn't hosted by Tucker, but there was a time or got fell I want to talk

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I'm talking to our under 20s right now

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There's a time where people would just show up on all the networks

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Well, but that's not true and they'd be a dick to him

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Well, it would still you'd still show up Bernie went on Fox sure, you know, it had a town hall kind of thing

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Sure, sure that that makes that's a little different that I think than having their like official debate

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Oh, no, I'm talking like yeah, I'm talking like 90s. That's what I'm talking

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Well, like maybe showing up on MTV. I mean boxers. Oh boy when he played boxers or briefs

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I played the saxophone on Arsenio. It doesn't get more going on Rogan than that

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Yeah, do you know what?

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But there's a difference between a publicity appearance and like having your actual yeah, totally

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I know that I'm making that distinction a lot, but it is it is important. I think sure

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Also, Arsenio is fucking awesome and super huge. Also. Do you want to talk about Arsenio?

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Super huge also, do you want your debate to be moderated by someone who constantly is like a Jamie Google that?

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Do you want that do you want during the debate?

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He's high out of his mind wearing a weird costume Duncan Trussell's over on the side

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What the people who are doing the debates now are doing is at the very most or best a

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Lateral move compared to that. Yeah, here's why I think it would actually work

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Exactly, that's that that's the problem. Here's why what's happening now doesn't work

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And here's why what might happen does well the vague and you know presumably you know if Trump were at one of these debates

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Sure, they are hostile

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To the media and therefore there's nothing that they're going to do that is even close to debate. Yeah

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simultaneously they are obsequious when it comes to someone like Rogan and

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And people like Chris Christie are gonna act the same no matter what

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They're just there to debate like maybe I don't know is he selling a book

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You know I think he's just there to have a good time

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And he wants everybody to to come out and really leave it all on the field

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You know and just have just just really play your best today. You know if if nothing else

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Having like it be in a place where there's people who like the the hostile folks suck up to the place

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yeah, it would diffuse a lot of the the clear petulance and

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Indignancy that you see out of people like the vague yeah

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I mean it just seems like debates are a vestigial organ at this point. What are we talking? You're not we're not having a

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Conversation no so there was a time when it was much more difficult to get out the word on your positions

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that was a useful thing then and now it is not yeah. It is a shit show yeah

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I mean people people forget like people talk about the Lincoln-Douglas debates as being like about intellectual about whatever

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That's the same as a book tour ban. That's that is a show going on the road

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I would have gone both do three hours of shit talking and then they go to their next city

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Fair enough yeah, so Alex is is mopey uh-huh he's a little mopey boy

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And so my greatest victory is you keep me on air

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It's your victory and the fact that we sustained through all these attacks to get to the point where we see the great awakening

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exploding right now

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The problem is there it's like this pass a thing like the war is over though Alex. You're not need anymore

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No

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We're awake that we're in a war and now when we speak out against lockdowns and tyranny we get a response

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We have some victory, but now we're in the fight and this is the most important point

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Of our entire operation, so I'm gonna plug this right now

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They get to the news. I thought about this last night this morning

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Because it's it's a paradox. It's it's a it's a very good look at a paradox that I want to explain to people

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For at least four or five years. We've been on the edge of not having enough money to operate

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We've made every cut we can make we can't cut anymore

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People don't get raises around here for years bonus is nothing, but they stay here because they're dedicated to care about freedom

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I've sold almost everything. I've got I'm in the process of selling the last piece of property

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It's not my home won't even pay a third of what I need to get done

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I'm not complaining if God wants me out of the game and God doesn't touch your heart to support us

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That's the way it is, but let me explain a paradox here

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This building this infrastructure the crew the brain trust we have here if I shut this down and just

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Say well, we're essentially been shut down. I'm not quitting

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You've quit on us, and I'm not mad at you and people think well Jones is around forever. You know he's fine

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If I don't show you and shut it down. I won't get the funds now

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I know what's gonna happen the minute. We announce. Oh, we're shutting down in two weeks

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We'll suddenly have more money we need, but I don't jerk people's chain. He's been chain jerking forever

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I I mean with constant

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Quits repeatedly I have 30 different memories right now of him going you know what I'm not even supposed to be here anymore

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If you guys are gonna pay for this then fuck it. We're done. I'm leaving

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Maybe I'll never come back. I said that so many times. Yeah. This is an emergency. I'm genuinely sad

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This is the last time that we're ever gonna be able to do this if I don't get such-and-such amount of money by this

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Right I've heard this a million times. He's like a

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Family crest should have a chain being jerked on it quite frankly. Yeah, I've seen being jerk while a boy cries wolf

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Yeah, there's also like a weird thing Alex's mentality has always been that the globalists are so transparently evil and so

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Obvious in their plans and all this that all you have to do is bring it out into the open

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And then the public will know and the battle will be won right. I guess that's not the case no well

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Now you're awake that there is a war. There's still another awakening to be awoken

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Ah shit, that is it is almost as though

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It would it's never going to end because the end is not the means mm-hmm

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So this what's going on right here is Alex threatening the audience and preemptively blaming them for him going out of business

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He knows 100% that this whole game is unsustainable and that it's just a matter of when not if infowars goes down

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But he doesn't want his legacy to be the guy who built and then destroyed his own propaganda machine

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He wants to retain his heroic status

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And he's choosing to do that at the expense of his audience here when this happens just know it's your fault for not giving me

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Enough money you could have given me more money, and we'd still be on air, so this is really on you actually

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This is a directly abusive tactic that he's using to retain whatever self-image

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He has his fragile ego. It's very sad very sad it is sad

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It is sad especially because I mean there is an honorable way for him to go out

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And it's in a giant explosion right well. I mean not literal. You know what I mean

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He doesn't have to fake his own death. No there is there is the

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Know when you've been beaten totally and bow out stop with these these childish games that are only hurting your own audience

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Honestly, and if you don't want to bow out humbly bow out like a complete prick and make a huge show of it and fine

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Well, he's in the middle of out. No. He's in the middle of trying to squeeze every last fucking drop out

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It's a long bow. Oh, it's not a bow. It's a theft it is yeah, but he's ready to fucking quit

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Quit, but whatever you do however you see fit

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This will be a commitment if I come in here in a month

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And I say well

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It looks like I'm not gonna be able to continue on again

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And there'll be an agreement with the court, and I'll say there's a three four month wind down

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We'll sell out of everything that's left

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He did that suddenly all the support and that happened

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I'm not gonna pull the plug folks and turn it back on when I say okay. We've run our course

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I'm not gonna. It's not a bluff. We will then this connect him for worse

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People I will have three four months to get a job

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We'll sell out everything we've got and people be like no we want to donate we want to help we want to know it's done

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It's done

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Because you can't with a court start the process and reverse it

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So I'm ready to resign right now

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I'm ready to do it. I'm not

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Begging for money. I don't like doing it and if God has decided

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And I think that's what maybe is happening that I'm not supposed to be here anymore

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I think the crew is gonna be fine as well

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We're ready to pull the plug and I will get out of prison hope my god

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I'm gonna protect her like you and you'll have a new show rest of it

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Well, so it's not George Soros is gonna decide what we say on here. It's not Hillary Clinton. It's you. It's you

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Give me money. I mean wow that's a rousing speech

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How much money would be required to even make a difference at this point like it's somewhere around one and a half billion dollars

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I think yeah, it's a ridiculous request to ask of his audience

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But even out of this even then he couldn't afford the taxes on one and a half billion dollars to pay off the one and

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A half billion dollars he owns I would I would assume not and I don't it from some of the other talk

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He was saying I don't know if he can even afford like attorneys and stuff to do an appeal

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Yeah, quite frankly he might be even unable to make that leap we can only hope oh, but man man

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It's tough for me to hear this in November

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Because I think that what might be going on is he's preparing to pretend to close again

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So he can sell out all his stock sure doesn't have stuff lingering at the end of the year that gets taxed that would track

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I think that might be part of what's going on here because I've heard this before and it does seem to happen at the

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End of the year yeah, yeah

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What's the fiscal quarter for this one

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Those are words that I've learned from the TV right

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I don't know enough about that from us from a business perspective right

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But I do know that at the end of the year if you're holding a lot of inventory there is a tax

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Yeah, it's taxed. Yeah, and so you avoid that by moving it all out. I haven't had inventory and

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Just saying I've seen this strategy before from Alex. I like I like the idea of a Rorschach

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But for like just cash you know like he's doing that whole leg

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Oh when I'm gone the people will cry out right and I'll say no

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Unless you spend twenty nine ninety nine at the store like Rorschach now

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Yeah, exactly what would you say? I wish I could give you money later. I'll say it is too late

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Yeah, like Rorschach before he puts the value people will cry out for this extra deal

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We've got going on in the room. Yeah, yeah

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This is Rorschach selling you tumeric

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It would be the best tumeric um I keep moving around depending on how you look at it true

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Yeah, there is obviously a little difference in how this feels just because of the circumstances

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Bankruptcy and and all this but to me. He's the boy who cried I quit yeah

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And I'm I'm done or whatever all I have become so jaded to his quitting

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Yeah, that even when it like honestly listen to this next clip it feels like he's begging to be put out of his misery

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and yet, I still don't take this seriously everybody's Alex Jones now and

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And limit Ramaswami knocked it out of the park you say oh is he good is he bad the stuff?

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He's doing is devastating them. There's no such thing anyone Joe Rogan same thing with Russell Brian all of it

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Took her also. Let's go so wrong so the good news is

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Maybe I'm like an old military officer that's already been in like five wars and

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I'm old down. Maybe it's time for me to take a backseat. I'm ready. I'm calm. I'm prepared

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And I've done my mission

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But if you decide to pull me out of the game if you decide to take me

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And put me on the bench then do it, and I'm done

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It's that simple

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Fen Jones calm Jones Crowder calm

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Enforced or calm so feel like he doesn't want you to give him money

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Oh kind of does to me

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If you'll just stop giving me money I can end this you know there's something

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Here's it. Do you remember ghost dog way the samurai? Yeah, Forest Whitaker sure RZA. Yeah, yeah great movie

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Yeah, love the movie

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But the way that the the mob and mafia is portrayed like that that end of the that dying ember of the mob of like

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We're going through the motions because the way we want to die is in the act of living this life and not as like oh

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Well, I'm in a retirement home

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You know like that kind of thing and there's so much I hear of that and Alex of just like this isn't how it's supposed

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to end man

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This is sad

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And I think there's a bit of that and then there's I think there's also a bit of it

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I want this to somehow not be my fault

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Mm-hmm, so if it is in your will to not give me money. I brought a business and blame you right right right well

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I mean, maybe if you're in a life of crime usually it's not because you want things to be blamed on you true

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Yeah, true. Yeah, so

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They're gonna have that interview with Norm Pattis sure there's also another guy who's along with him

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Who is an expert in these things another great comey now?

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His lawyer Joe Biden's lawyer can't even get in touch with him is also my lawyer

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famous constitutional lawyer

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Norm Pattis Trinis Evans heads up and is the founder and the head of condemned USA

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investigative documentarian author January 6 expert speaker

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Rock the Red Board condemned USA on Twitter condemned usa.com

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He is one of the only people in his organizations. They've been there since day one

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There's got enough sources and enough of the j6 or at least I'll talk to a few of them to find out what's happening

Unknown Speaker (00:35:22.400)

Oh, wow, so we got this guy Trinis Evans who sounds like a real professional documentarian type of guy

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Definitely sounds like an unbiased person who just feels really passionate about this story of January 6 prisoners

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Well, he's an expert. He is and Alex conveniently leaves out one piece of Evans's resume. He's a j6 protester

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There we go on March

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2022 he pled guilty to charges stemming from his participation in the January 6

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According to a tip the FBI received Evans quote took shots of fireball in Nancy Pelosi's office, which probably felt super cool at the time

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Listen

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How long did he do? I didn't do any time worth it 36

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Probation I'll do that right now for 30s deal. You sold me

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to pay like

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$5,000

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Still worth it

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So he'd gotten to the office by climbing in a broken window

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So you have to assume he was pretty aware that he wasn't supposed to be there

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Also, I went and I found the picture of him climbing in through the broken window and the door is open next to it

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See, but there's too many people coming in

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See but here's the problem with the justice system doing that stuff

Unknown Speaker (00:36:31.659)

You have set the price for me breaking into Nancy Pelosi's window and fucking taking shots of fireball. You've set the precedent

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I mean, it's hard to argue. That's the cost of doing business there

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so one fun fact is that as a part of his agreement to have some of the charges dropped Evans quote acknowledged that a riot occurred

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On January 6 2021 and he agreed to pay his part of restitution for the damages that were caused by the riot

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Okay

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Evans was sentenced to 36 months probation

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Which he is still under so I certainly hope that it's not a violation of that probation to participate in flagrant

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Propaganda meant to incite people around the very thing. He pled guilty to I'm sure he didn't specifically agree

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Not to pretend that his insurrectionist buddies were being tortured in prison

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But it does seem like this might run counter to the spirit of the agreements that he made

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Yeah, lawyers really got to think about that future coming up, you know, like, you know

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You don't think you have to say to somebody. Hey also don't start another riot out there kid

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You you be good, you know as it stands he has this

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Condemned USA website where he raises money for the j6 prisoners

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That's fine stuff and like for their commissary and what-have-you and that to me is like the most harmless way that people can

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That's great be on that side. Like if you're raising money to try and like

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Deny, they did anything wrong or start another riot or something like that. Then we've got some murky issues

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Sure, but you know, I don't think that people should be denied the right to access

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products while they're in prison

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Yeah, no, whatever if you want to waste your money giving it to fucking joe biggs and the proud boys go for it

Unknown Speaker (00:38:08.800)

Yeah, it's on you. Yeah, you've you're deeper in the scam than I can help with ain't that the truth?

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So Alex has another guest and it's like a self-help coach guy

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What? Yeah, no, it's really weird. It's about like he's about like getting out of your victim mentality

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And so is Alex later awake at like three o'clock in the morning really pissed off and a little sad and drunken

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It's all this and was like gotta get this guy over show

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I would guess that this is a similar thing to that Jake Doocy get-rich-hypnotist guy

Unknown Speaker (00:38:37.500)

Okay, I imagine this is brokered program, right? Right, right, right because there is no energy. Mmm. That sounds right

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Here's just a little taste of their their interaction

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Where would you say the great awakening is right now? Does that feel a lot of positive potential the enemy's tracking back?

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You know

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How about my great awakening? My great awakening is right here right now with you. This is wild man wild and fun

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And it feels oddly normal

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And then you know, my great awakening is with my friends, you know

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I surround myself with badasses people that are are using their words in powerful cool

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Constructive ways they're breathing. Well, that means they're listening. Okay, if someone's breathing in their chest, they're not listening

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Okay, if someone breathes low and slow they're listening you could get around a group of people that are listening

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Well, that's fun. It creates a breathing. Well, it creates that warm warmth and then and it cuz it is again

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It's an inside-out job. They're breathing in cocaine and yeah, so so

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breathing hey, I

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Like what's happening I like what's happening I didn't expect this whole thing to be easy. Okay

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and

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Lord knows what's gonna happen for me coming on this show. You know what? Okay. I love what you said

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I don't know what what's gonna happen at the end of this

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But if you want to fight, let's fight we got we all have we have a couple Jones, man

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We've been we got I got a decent Alex Jones impersonation my business

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But if you want to fight you better believe you got one

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I remember we I've been friends with my judge a long time

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He did some liars for us and people thought like well, that's pretty close to my judgment all it's like my judge

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So Alex Jones imitation, you know that indie song the indie song I can sing the whole thing. I'm

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angry

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These people

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Christian murderers, they're aren't you Christian murderous gum run a giant death stop keeping babies

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That goes on longer than you'd think it's already gone long enough. Yep. Sure. Yep, too long

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I'm singing that bon Iver song that was such a dunk

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It's been a while since I've heard somebody

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literally

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Left out to dry. Oh, I felt

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I felt Alex put like clothespins on his hands as he was holding on to those little lines

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No, you're gonna let me you're gonna have said you've got something to say, right?

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You're gonna let me down off this. No, you're not gonna leave are you keep swimming buddy? You wanted this

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Paid for the privilege you didn't pay for questions

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that is exactly what the arrangement is. But boy does it feel like it from the

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entire like

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Look, it's all about the breath man. You breathe breathe in your chest. It's no good. It's no good slow breaths

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That's how you know, the people are happy

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Yeah, what the fuck that was that was somebody floundering at a youth pastors convention not good

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Nope, but thankfully business picks up because then Jackson Hinkle comes around right and finally and so Alex introduces him

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I think he calls him Jason once or twice like it, but that's fine. That's good gamesmanship

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all this guy's work for a while very

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interesting very eclectic and wow

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Every day on his videos on Twitter and more at

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At Jackson Hinkle, that's H I N K L L E 1 L and he's an American Serbative

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which is we're gonna talk about this if you see definition and

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Marxist Leninist political commentator and social media influencer

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He hosts the political show the dive with Jackson Hinkle

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He's known for his advocacy of make America great again communism

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This is Wikipedia page look very smart guy has a huge effect, but people ask is he trolling people saying conservative?

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Communists there aren't many communists will come on the show and still not really having one

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Yeah, I was gonna say so he has a maga communism is kind of Jackson's brand fun

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That term is nonsense, and I don't really care to get too bogged down in it because it's clear self-contradiction

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And it's meant to be that yeah

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It's a name for the brand that's meant to inflame and it's meant to get people on either side on the defensive

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Immediately and then when you talk to Jackson and realize you agree on some stuff that he says you find yourself thinking that maybe

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He's a middle ground

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It's more or less a marketing gamble, and I don't really find it all that compelling yeah when I say that

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It's a marketing gamble

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I mean it in terms of what I described there were Jackson's able to surprise both Maga and

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Communist folks by finding agreement with them on some things, but I also meant it in a trolling sense

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Jackson gets so much mileage out of social media and part of the reason is because people who are actually invested in either side

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Fucking hate him the left is deeply untrusting of his angle and the right-wing will not accept anything that views communism positively

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Because he's aware of that and he isn't an idiot

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He uses the branding of Maga communist to harvest outrage from both sides and use that to fuel his attention machine

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Yeah

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Jackson started using this branding a while back and started to make waves with it in

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2022 along with his compatriot another streamer guy named Haas

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I've seen a few videos of Haas and for the most part it seems like he's just he kind of just likes getting insanely angry

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And yelling at people sure which helps make sense of why Jackson is the face of this shit

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And I have no idea where Haas is these days

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Jackson is a cool composed media ready young man, and he's not unlike Nick Fuentes, but just with less charisma

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Mmm. He has he has a lot less charisma than Nick Fuentes. Here's the thing oh my god

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Nick really seems like he's having race to the bottom isn't it well Nick seems like he's having fun

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Well that is there is

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There is an element of I don't doubt the sincerity of him enjoying fucking with people and being a racist right Fuentes is a

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Psychopath in that sense yeah, yeah see that whereas Jackson does not have that joie de vivre that that you get from Nick

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Yeah, that's the weirdest part. I can't imagine doing this and not enjoying it. You know well

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Maybe you just can't convey the enjoyment as well. That's true. That's true

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So the basic essence of this maga communism brand is to use deeply right-wing social messaging intermixed with class analysis

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That's cribbed from the left the way this tends to take its form is by

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romanticizing the idyllic image of the traditional family and the importance of your religious conviction which satisfies the maga part of the equation

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Simultaneously you add in some economic platitudes about the elites that take on the appearance of being anti capitalist in nature

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There's a populism that runs through the economic ideology that's meant to appeal to folks on the socialist side with themes like supporting workers rights

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As I was looking back on how all this got going I found a 2022 article in Vice about Haas and the early maga

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communism business

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And I thought that this was really informative

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Quote Haas is one of a number of self-proclaimed

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Communists who are pushing the notion that anyone who cares about the working class should abandon the liberal quote culture war and ally with America's

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largest anti-establishment populist movement maga

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ultimately in the name of inciting a populist revolution

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This is a brand based on a couple of core points

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The first is that they do not actually care about socially liberal positions like access to reproductive health care

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LGBTQ rights civil rights, etc. It's not an abandoning of these positions

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It's an effort to convince you to

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the default position is

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situation to the social ideology of the maga set because they have the most political momentum which will inevitably lead to the creation of a

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brutal theocratic xenophobic state provided over

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Presided over by a dictator most likely Trump and that's the social politics of his his shit

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The second core element of this brand is it's based on expedience

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The premise here is that the economic issues are that they really care about are so much more

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Important that they're willing to side with maga folks to make those things happen as if that was some kind of a difficult choice for them

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To make they don't care about the liberal social issues to begin with and the primary reason to side with the maga crowd is because

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That's the quickest viable road to power. It's a giant mass of people who've been shown to be very swayable

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So if you're an opportunist, you could hardly think of a better audience

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It's hard. I find it hard to believe that based on these two core understandings

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They really mean most of the stuff that they're saying

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It feels like an exercise in self-promotion more than anything else and it doesn't seem to have any viable

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Political point to it outside of being a gateway to take people from the fringe left to the extreme, right?

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I guess it's the the sort of jumping over the horseshoe thing. Yeah from a standpoint of politics

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I don't really care about the ideas being presented here because they're incoherent and intentionally

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So the communism that's part of maga communism isn't really communism. It's the presentation of an anti elitist hollow populism

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That's already existing in the maga world. What you're left with is just the extreme right-wing present presenting itself

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Is it some kind of groundbreaking compromise with the left? Yeah, that's the that's more or less the appeal of the brand

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Yeah, and it's nonsense. Yeah

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There's a real fracturing of the lesser of two evils

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Contingent I've discovered is that right?

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It's it's gone across the the whole political spectrum into all different kinds of weird places now

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I find that so fascinating of like hey, listen, the lesser of two evils is kill gay people but equal

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Economic rights for everybody. Well, alright

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Well, the lesser of two evils is we protect gay people, but we align with these people we give rich people more money

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Alright, well the lesser of two evils is we do this thing and it's just a series of compromises that people want to pretend

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Aren't right, you know the system that we have now as its function. Well that that is that is a dynamic that exists now

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I want to be clear about this one though. It's fake

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Because yeah, well they all are because the abandoning of left liberal

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Quote-unquote culture war issues sure is something they don't care about to begin with. No, of course

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That's not abandoning that to them

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No

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They're just saying let's work with maga because we think we can get them to have

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a populist class analysis that we we find appealing and it's fucking stupid too because you're not going to get them to do that

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yeah, it's a failing game and essentially just is kind of the only productive aspect that you can really see coming out of this is

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Getting some people on the left to care less about social issues. Got it

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That's kind of that's kind of the only real mission accomplished banner for that George W. Right. Come on, buddy

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Yeah, put it up there ring bring people who are on the left closer to being susceptible to right-wing indoctrination. Hmm

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Anyway, Alex asks him. What is this? Maga communism, huh? Do I know here nothing? It's nothing

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That's what it is. So I wanted to talk about you and then your view of the world right now

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But but but maybe you can square this up for me. How do you have a

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Trumpist make America great again

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Marxist Leninist view explain explain that to me. Well, it's pretty simple actually, you know

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I've been a big fan of your show for years and years and the maga movement

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I think most people there's there's a few people in the maga movement who are flirting with these

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Globalist Nazi scum like Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis

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But I think most the maga movement understands that the resources the land and the means of production of the United States of America

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Should be in the hands of the maga working class

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okay, there's no reason why we should allow our oil our gas our nuclear our land to be controlled by a

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few of these rich scum like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and BlackRock and Vanguard for example

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And that's the whole idea is you know, we need to fight for this my ancestors sailed here on the Mayflower

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They fought in the American Revolution. They fought in World War two against the Nazis and they're rolling in their graves right now

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Looking at what our country is doing sending two hundred six my family goes other places and kills people. He's 14 billion dollars to these

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Anti-human Malthusian terrorists in Israel. We need to fight to get our country back or else we're gonna have a

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feudal society for the end of time

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All right. All right. All right

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So you can see some pretty slick moves out there out of the box thirsty of the requisite flattery directed towards Alex

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It's always a good way to answer a question

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Info wars land. Yep, and then you have all the info wars buzzwords and villains getting name-checked

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Yep

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And here's the thing

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Jackson is kind of right that most of the people in Alex's audience if they were presented with communism under a different name

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They would support some of those ideas. Yeah, obviously, you know, the maga working class should have the

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The like obviously it would fall apart pretty quick sure, but he could get people to believe some communist ideas

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Sure

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Jackson is using that populist argument that Alex is going to have a tough time getting past

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Just the beginning facade of it like does Alex think that the noble maga working-class shouldn't have all these benefits

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Oh, so he must think Klaus Schwab deserves them all there's so many games and traps that Alex is not even seeing set in front

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Of him. Yeah, what Jackson isn't taking into account is that this isn't an either-or situation

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Alex doesn't want people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates suppressing the working class, but he's totally fine with bosses oppressing the working-class

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Alex loves appeals to populism that create the image of his grand fight against multinational corporations

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But he's staunchly opposed to actually helping the workers of those companies consider this

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He hates Amazon, but he doesn't support their workers unionizing. Sure

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The dude it's not an either-or. Yeah

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Jackson is fishing in a dry well here because his grifty brand of communism doesn't match with

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Alex's definition and they're never going to be able to agree on the terms of this

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Also, I really think the Jackson's putting on an accent

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I've heard plenty of clips of him talking and I do not accent

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I don't I don't remember him sounding this much like a New Jersey kind of guy

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Hey, I'm just a down old here's a clip of him talking from a few years ago

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regular

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My name is Jackson Hinkle. I'm an organizer. I'm an environmentalist

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I'm actually the youth director at choose and I'm 19 years old and I'm running for San Clemente City Council

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Oh a little different a little bit of a different voice. Oh boy

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Um, I think it's pretty obvious that he's doing a Trump guy impression. Yeah, there's a real age

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kind of

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Voice lilt that he's doing it's so transparent

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Yeah, he's he's found the he's found the niche that we haven't seen for quite some time. Mmm the labor organizer who is against slavery

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Only because it's fucking with labor

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Otherwise say hey no slaves here. I mean slaves are fine. Just not here cuz we got unions, you know

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Press black people you want no big deal unions are important for whites, you know, like that's what he's doing it there

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there are elements of it and then there's also elements of

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what

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You remember how like Hitler?

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on the workers part of the Socialist Workers Party

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Focus on that early. Oh, yeah, he didn't right because that wasn't really that important

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It seemed like it got replaced by something that he was a little bit more interested in that not not to say that

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necessarily

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Jackson's a Nazi or anything like that. Sure, but there is that

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That vibe it's not hard. It's not hard whenever a

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Aristocracy plunders the working class for somebody to then convince the working class to get rid of the aristocracy

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But that person was actually already part of the aristocracy and just creates a new aristocracy

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But what if they put on a voice?

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Popularity contest winner I

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Just think this is so

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Craven. Yeah, I mean, I wish you could I wish as a society

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We had one win like like with a Jackson Hinkle where somebody calls

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Yeah, oh, I'm a maga communist and society is a whole wins together and just goes no and he goes away

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Yeah

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Like wouldn't we want one good when the attention economy doesn't work like that

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Do you think everybody dunked on him that would only get him more traffic on social media too much

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Yeah, it's the algorithm. The algorithm has defeated us as a society

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We don't need to worry about AI we need to worry about the fact that algorithms run what we see

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You know, my favorite lounge singer was algo rhythm

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so this

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This next clip, yep, Alex asks what I would describe as a bizarre question about communism. All right. All right

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Well, I've read Marx. I've you know read

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Ingalls I've been I've read Das Kapital and

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And you look at koswab. He says he's gonna bring Marxist Leninism through. No, but with ultra rich stakeholders in control

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No, are you that's not even close to how that were. I'm a collectivist view on the top and then it's actually

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distributed down to the people but then

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Really be done. I mean I get now we have amazing crony capitalist fascist model

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That's did that that's discrediting Americanism

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I mean, it's great. You describe American the US government paid settlers for hundred some years to go west and gave him quote free land

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But they had to fight for it and keep it and you know produce it. I wouldn't call that

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communism but a very interesting idea

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If you had like some computer, but who programs it to then, you know distribute it down

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But then you how do you distribute the people that actually gonna produce with it? Where does the free market operate in that plan?

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Well, woo, where does the free market operate in communism Dan I

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I don't understand the question because there's a long preamble and write a lot of places. Okay, I

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Don't want you understand the computer. Okay, so if there was a computer that could allocate things, but who programs the computer

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Literally what he's saying

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Alex hasn't read capital. No

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I second where does the free market fit in with communism Dan?

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No, but that is a fair question for him to ask because he's talking about a maga communism

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So that is like that's a fair point that kernel of it is okay for Alex to be asking

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It's not incoherent for him to be asking sure the rest of it the preamble. I don't know what what's going on

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I think I couldn't answer that question because I would I couldn't track it. I believe his question is

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In the model you are describing. How do we distribute things equally? Is that?

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Free market comes in you're saying that there's a collective group at the top that distributes things among people

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But where does the free market fit into it if things are distributed and not?

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Purchased I under I understand that you could ask that a lot better. I

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Agree with you also considering I didn't do a good job of asking it and I barely understood also

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I want to be clear about like Klaus Schwab. Yeah, Alex does not understand what stakeholders mean in stakeholder capitalism

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The thing that Alex is talking about where only the rich people matter is actually what we have now in the form of shareholder

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capitalism yes Klaus Schwab is proposing this different idea to stakeholder capitalism

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Which involves you and me being stakes and having clean air sure for example

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We don't have shares in air cleanery, right?

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So are the companies that pollute the air we do have sticks in the air exactly Alex likes the current system

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Where the rich people are all in control of everything, which is why he demonizes any attempt at promoting or discussing something different

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Right, just what's going on with Klaus Schwab. Yeah. Anyway, I

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Don't know how I was the debate beginning isn't this supposed to be a free market in this that's another good question

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It's not a debate. Okay, it's a confusing conversation. All right, cuz I am confused

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Yeah, so I believe this is the answer to the question of the computer trickle-down

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Right as the free market trickle-down communism free market economics. Yes. Yeah

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well

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I think you've drawn up a really good point before in that the world is run by Trotskyists and

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People kind of struggle when they hear that they say really the world is

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by communists

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Well kind of they're controlled by Trotskyists as you put it and these are the most evil sick human beings on the face of the planet

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It's the Clintonites. It's the Bushites. It's the world economic form. It's Klaus Schwab

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It's everyone who stands opposed to the American working class. Let me interrupt. I'm gonna shut up

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We can have you back for five hours soon

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But you're dead on the the modern leftist movement and the modern neocom movement hails to Trotsky

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That that that is a fact and Trotsky did not have the regular communist model. He had another model

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So you're at you're actually said that's true. So I'm impressed that these aren't just statements you're making it's actually based in reality

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What?

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Exactly

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So it's probably worth noting that it's very common for anti-semitism around communism to be packaged as attacks on Trotsky

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Yeah

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This is a little bit of a code that

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Jackson's using and I find it interesting that Alex doesn't get into the differences between normal communism and Trotsky's version

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There are definitely differences between Marx and Lenin's ideas of communism and Trotsky's but I have zero faith that Alex could describe any of it

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He doesn't know any of this shit. He's he's in so far over his head. He has no idea what the fuck is happening

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I wish that so here's my here's my pitch. All right

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scripts spelling bee

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Okay, you know the guy who does the definitions? Yeah. All right. So in this case if

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You if you throw out something like what Jackson said, right right? That's guests

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Yeah, yeah, then you should have to have you should one have to ask for a definition

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Then you should have to spell it and if you are wrong on either of those two things think and then you're done

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I you know like you got to go to the comfort

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I have to assume the Jackson knows what he's talking about at least term wise. I

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Disagree, I think that the point he's making is

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on

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It doesn't make a lot of sense doesn't have a lot of meaning right but I think he does know the differences between different groups

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Of communists and different ideas he's done enough streams and conversations and debates that I I have faith

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That he knows the difference is see that's what's interesting to me because that only makes me believe he has no idea

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What he's talking about more. Well, unfortunately, I don't think that this

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Conversation with Alex is gonna be able to prove it either way

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That is a good point because Alex doesn't know shit and Jackson knows that it's that much. Yeah

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Yeah, I mean you can't sharpen your sword on a limp noodle. That is true

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Yeah, and I think that he knows Alex well enough to know that he has this whole thing about Trotskyites

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You know all the neo cons were secret Trotskyites and all this

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So I think he knows that he can make this pretty solid appeal there. All right and find their common ground

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Okay, so he goes from talking about Trotsky and then he pivots into a very dangerous bit of water

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Okay, so I'm impressed that these aren't just statements you're making it's actually based in reality. Exactly. We might have you know

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Not everyone's gonna agree a hundred percent of the time, but we we agree on that. We know who our enemy is and

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What I think is so incredible about what China's done, you know China's been able to mobilize their economy for the public good

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But also increase production and the scale of manufacturing in America

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We have a de-growth ideology that reigns supreme. Sure, but let's talk about

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Stop interrupting but define a Trotskyite

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Versus what you're saying a Xi Jinping model. If Alex understood anything about communism and the subjects

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He talks about which actually make up the bedrock of his empty philosophy. He should not have to ask that question

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It's painfully obvious the difference or at least a major one is that Trotsky favored a permanent revolution model of communism

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That was much more democratically focused whereas China's model is far closer to that of Stalin largely dictatorial in nature

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Trotsky was a real critic of Stalin who had him murdered after he was exiled from the USSR incidentally

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I didn't know because he got away. He was out. He wasn't in any of those pictures, right?

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I didn't even know that the guy was there cuz cuz he wasn't in any of the pictures Dan. Yeah never saw

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So, I mean that's a real fundamental and pretty real

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Conflict between the idea of someone who?

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Trotskyite ideas and someone who is more into the China model of communism

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Sure, you could definitely say that is a concrete difference. That's a great way to answer this question. Sure

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Here's how Jackson does. Okay. Well the Trotskyites as you just put it

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They want they want a feudal society where a few people control all of the resources and all of the wealth

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What we need is what you know, I don't want to be China. I want to value. I'm a Christian

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I don't know if you're a Christian, but I value Christian values and we need to recognize that our

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Constitution must reign supreme

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We need to bring back free speech right now because the Trotskyists have destroyed free speech by taking over big tech

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But what China's been able to do is they're lifting people out of poverty

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Eight hundred and forty million people in the past forty years. They've lifted out of poverty. So if you don't like are you saying you're more of a Stalinist?

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100% I'm an American Stalinist 100%. Yeah. All right. Keep going keep on

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His answers just info wars shit. This is just Alex insisting all of the GOP people

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He doesn't like or Trotskyites because Bill Kristol's dad like Trotsky

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This just isn't meaningful analysis at all

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And it doesn't have anything to do with legitimate actual differences between what Trotsky believed and the form of government that exists in China

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Which is supposedly the question he's supposed to be answering

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It's not difficult to tell what the most glaring difference is, but Jackson likes China

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So he can't say the difference without losing Alex entirely because he does not want a democratic system necessarily

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Yeah, I mean none of them do I'm just but Alex's brand can't exist without

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the Democratic Republic yeah as Jackson's brand is far more fine with authoritarian

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Dictatorship now they all are

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Yeah, they all are you can say that but not frankly not all of their brands

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I think half the time most of us are

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Just because and I think I think part of what it is is you can hear it in the way that Jackson's describing it

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You know that idea of oh

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Well, what reigns supreme right now is this and what should reign supreme is the Constitution?

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What's and the real issue that people are dealing with is that nothing reigns supreme mm-hmm nothing everything is fucking chaos

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The justice system it can be used this way or that way the president can say this or not this Congress doesn't even do anything

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There's people who are fucking insane running everything

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Nothing reigns supreme, and so I think people would like

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Something to just something just anything reigns supreme a god fine if a god is a piece of shit at least

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somebody's doing something you know and so I get where he's coming from with this idea of a you know a

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Dictator needs to reign and all that stuff. This is real dumb. This is real dumb. You got real into that answer

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So you got real you got you got it pretty heated there

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I just hate it whenever people are like ah here's what runs stuff mm-hmm fucking nothing

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It's like you were mad at me, but I didn't do anything you didn't do anything. It's Jackson's fault, okay

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Well Alex has a different response and also ace Ventura's fault sure so Alex is a different response to Jackson

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And that seems to me that he's bemused by him a little bit okay for now

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Because again Trump he might not get everything right

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But what the Maga movement stands for is taking back the means of the production for the working class

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Control of production from the people to control us sure

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But communism never really delivers. I mean China is still centrally planned. How are you saying?

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It's taking the means of reduction away from the elite

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Well China is governed by the Communist Party, which has many different factions within it

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They even have Jeffersonian Democrats in the Communist Party of China

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But at the end of the day Xi Jinping answers to the people of his nation, and if he failed to do that

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He'd be kicked out of power

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Yeah

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That's why they're so successful

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But America is a planned economy as well and what people need to understand is a planned economy isn't a bad thing

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the only thing that's bad about a planned economy is when you have it like in the United States or the EU or the

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UK where they plan it for a handful of rich oligarchs to amass untold amounts of wealth while they you know

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Censor and condemn the masses for not following their stated gender policies or you know

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Well, you're definitely right the state planning of BlackRock is to make us all poor and literally euthanize us

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So but just because BlackRock is this

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globalist fascist

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Thing then I don't just then look at all the other choices Stalinism

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What is the other choice or so

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I mean like I you know, if you have an idea you should we could we could put it forward and talk about it

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But I think that you know

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Really people need to grow some balls and understand communism is the only answer for America right now

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Okay, Lenin said he was inspired by the American Revolution and that's how he led his revolution

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And I think we have a lot to learn from Stalin and from Xi Jinping and you know

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Even what Putin is doing today? I know he's not a communist but he grew up in a communist era

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He was a part of the intelligence community the KGB and he carries that with him throughout his life today

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Let us shift gears into politics very interesting is all I can say very interesting. This is Alex isn't too deep

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Yeah, he should be the master of shutting this down

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You think this is a perfect opportunity for him to have an adversarial

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Interview with somebody who's like, okay you believe in a lot of the same stuff

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I do the importance of white people Christians

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You don't like this gender ideology, you're so great on that stuff, but you're so wrong about communism

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This would be the perfect opportunity for him

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But he can't really do it because he doesn't really know much other than communist bad

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See you said that we wouldn't get to the bottom of it on this episode

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But I feel like Jackson has just proven that he does not understand the meaning of the words that he is saying

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Interesting, he understands the reaction that they get. Mm-hmm

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But not like the meaning of though like you can't just say like return the means of the work up to

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Stop it. Stop it. Mm-hmm. Stop it

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Vaga the maga is all about

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That that's what maga is all about. Uh, it's all about telling people what to do. No, no, no, it's

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It's all about workers rights for the maga working class

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It's so annoying that all of this comes down to when I tell people to do something

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They don't do it. So I need a government to kill them for me

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Mm-hmm, or when I'm told that I should be respectful of other people I get mad about it

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So I need a government to kill them for me. So

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Alex and

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Jackson don't see eye to eye on the matter of Israel vis-a-vis its existence. No. Yeah, why is that?

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Well because Jackson doesn't think it should exist. Well, that's fair and

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then they

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Squabble a little bit about nukes sure. How do you expect cuz you've been a big critic of Israel?

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How do you definitely Israel's walked into a trap or knows they are?

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The West the u.s. Is funding this. Where do you see this attempt or do you see as an attempt to trigger a holy war? I

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Think that it's not so much an attempt to trigger a holy war

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I think you can look at the geopolitical dimensions of this and recognize that the the Arab states are worried about

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You know

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Economic interests on their end. They're worried about losing the normalization of Israeli ties and

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When it comes to the Palestinians in Hamas, they just want Israel to be gone

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And personally, I think if the u.s. Stopped funding is Israel, which I think we should

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I don't think we should give a single penny to Israel

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Israel would cease to exist if they didn't have the military backing of the United States and the

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Taxpayer dollars flowing to the tune of billions of dollars Israel would cease to exist as for let me say this

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I don't agree with that statement Israel has over thousand nuclear weapons fighter bombers bombers and nuclear

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Equipped submarines and they have the third largest IT facility in the world and they got a bunch of smart people over there

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If someone tries to make Israel not exist, they're gonna take us to nuclear war

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Just like Russia whether you love Russia or hate it. We can't give you love. Yeah, they've got the biggest nuclear force

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So I'm just saying Israel will cease to exist. Why are you saying that?

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Well, I think you have to understand that Israel is a state truly only exists not because of the the nukes that it holds

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I think they're I think they're too cowardly to use nukes

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But I think you all want to recognize that since the fuck was that flood began

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Oh, so you think the zionists aren't ready to use nuclear you think Jews aren't ready to go to war and do?

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What is happening? I would like to say

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It's very dangerous that Israel has nuclear weapons. I would see them as one of those

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The Iranians to use it. They're completely in war mode foaming at the mouth and I'm not attacking them

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I mean just you are you kidding me? I

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I think that if you look at Israel's military

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They're an extremely casualty averse military and you have to understand that for a population

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That truly doesn't have any ties to the lands. They're already fleeing in record numbers since October 7th

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I mean you'd have you've had a huge portion. Yeah, but that's just a wimps leaving. Whoa, Russia

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They've lost hundreds of thousands of troops. They got flesh in the game the skin of the game

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But but keep going keep going this has been an exercise in watching fireworks

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It is it what in God's name are these two idiots talking about so?

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authoritatively very so fucking

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Authoritatively, they know the real doesn't have the stone

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I think it's very cowardly not to use nuclear weapons. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, they don't have the gray

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You're all insane. If any of that makes sense to you. I'm gonna make sense to me on a sentence level

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Sure on words, right? Right words track into sentences. I suppose unlike Alex's question about the computer. Oh my god

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but yeah, that's a

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What it's like two really bad perspectives coming up against each other, but the bad perspectives are also counter to I mean, yeah

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It's crazy. Yeah, it's rich. It's a dissonant

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Dissonance. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's crazy

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it's it's fucking insane to hear people talk like that and not be like and then like

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People talk like the camera should pan out and they should be enclosed in a small room together

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Surrounded by Magneto's prison. That's not know if there's no metal you you have this like

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agitation that comes from hearing this clip whereas I have kind of like the opposite I have like

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Feel like responding to either of you

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I feel like you both suck. I'll let you two argue. I mean, I'm not interested in this argument about whether or not

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Israel has the

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The bravery to mean a nuke people. Yeah, I get it

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But it's just like this is a conversation that makes me wish I had access to the phantom zone

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I could just be like, ah

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Away we go. Yeah

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Obviously, I think that there's some

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troubling

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perspectives in there to Jackson particularly sure sure sure

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Alex Alex should probably be more

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Counter to the he doesn't think that Israel should exist. Yeah

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I think he should probably have some problem with him saying that the

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Israelis have no tie to the land you think I think that should be really offensive

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I think a lot of people would find it that I think a lot of people would and even Alex should yeah based on his

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his beliefs

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Yeah

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nukes

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Anyway, this is not the only military thing that they do not agree on and I wrote in my notes

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Alex is gonna flip his shit. Oh, yeah. Where do you how do you see Ukraine ending? Do you think China moves into Taiwan?

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I'd love it if China moved into Taiwan, but I think

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Ukraine is gonna end. However, Putin wants it to end. I mean that I've said that since February 24 2022

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There's no way good job brain has any chance of winning this they've lost probably four or five times more men than Russia has

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All right

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Leaving Ukraine and Russia to the side because Alex is probably on the same page as him

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Sure, Alex should throw something at him when he says he said China should go into Taiwan

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That's that's one of the crazier things I've ever heard Alex. It's that's one of his big red line

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You just don't do it. That's a sign of the end of the world. It is China taking Taiwan

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It's one of the weirdest geopolitical things that is currently going on and for anything to change the status quo on that one

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Might destroy all of us and and and Alex is never more clear about anything. Yeah other than that is

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Absolutely. No. Yeah

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This is this is where it should be like it should be an adversarial interview from the maga communist word go

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Yeah, and then when Jackson is saying I like Xi Jinping Alex should be like hold on now sure

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We're gonna fight right and then when he says I think China should take Taiwan

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It should be like you fucking piece of shit

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Like Alex the way he responds to other people that he firmly disagrees with sure

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But it doesn't it doesn't turn into that really no strange

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But I think it's explained by the thing that Alex keeps bringing up and that is that Jackson is super viral

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Yeah, he has a lot of juice that Alex could suck off. So maybe he doesn't have to quit right?

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I mean, I think there's also a certain amount of just like

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The idea behind Henkel's success is get people off balance

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Before they start, you know trip them trip people don't fight don't fight fair trip people sweep the leg

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You know like that's the idea. And so what is it that you are going to what?

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Battleground you're going to face him on will always change

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It's procedurally generated. Yeah more so even than Alex's because he's got more different stupid places to go

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Mm-hmm Jackson can be like yeah, fuck. Yeah, let's go into Taiwan Alex can't do that shit

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No, so Alex is already confused cuz he's like I think I kind of agree with maybe yeah

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We should Russia kill people right and then but then he can't react in the same way that he would like to yeah

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Yeah, that's a lot of the strategy of the brand. Yeah, it's very annoying

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And again everybody on this planet in society should have looked at it and gone not today

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I think a lot of people did it just didn't work not enough. So

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Alex instead of turning this into a very hostile interview as he should which would be fun

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He decides to go the subtle route, which is a bad idea and suggest that Jackson is on the Chinese payroll

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Okay

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I like that the big criticism of Elon Musk is doing a lot of good stuff now is that he won't criticize China and

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People always gives me me on somebody's payroll my listeners pay me and I say what I say or they support me

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They support me, but man

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I mean if I sit back and like you're smart guy good-looking guy

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you know everything else and and people would say like well who does this guy work for like I

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Mean have you ever if you've been to China or I mean you say you want Taiwan to get invaded

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South China see that means we go to war with them. I mean

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Our there won't be a war. I mean, I've talked to Colonel Douglas McGregor

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Who's true?

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Are you talking about and he painted the picture very clear for me?

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He said, you know if China invades Taiwan and they don't try to do this through peaceful reunification

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There's nothing that

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Taiwan or any of its proxies including you know, the u.s. Which controls the Taiwanese government can do

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I mean why are we gonna send a few of our Navy ships over there and then they're gonna why would you love to see?

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Taiwan invented

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Well historically, I mean Taiwan is China. I mean, that's how the US government

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Categorizes Taiwan at the very moment. I mean, so wait you do you support the US government?

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That's it. You're you're falling back on that the government sees it as part of China

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So it is if you are really silly man, if you're gonna say

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Historically comma it's part of China. Mm-hmm

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All right

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Then you have established that historically comma blank is part of blank is now an acceptable response within any parameters

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No, no, it's not. Yeah, it is. So I just said it was also I love

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You just got a feel Alex's skin like blood boiling when he brings up a general and actually says his name

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It's Alex is like you do not fucking cite generals on my show Mike I cite generals and I never named them

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Cuz they're not real. They're not real. Mm-hmm

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Hate these people for being stupid. Yeah. So anyway, Alex is trying to suggest that he's on the payroll

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Well, he's obviously nah China China. What did they have? Like what would happen?

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They have like police centers and universities and the like to like keep an eye on their own citizens

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Even if they're in a completely different country, that would be crazy

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No, but I don't think there's any evidence that he's on the Chinese payroll. Oh, that's fair. I think that it's probably just

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cool the way to

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cloud

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Works well without having to be on a payroll. It's so cool to be a psychopath that wants the end of the world

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Yeah, no, I won't happen according to Doug Duggler

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The general my god, whatever his name was. No, they're idiots, too

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So I think Alex is starting to he starts to get mad. Uh-huh, or at least a little annoyed

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Okay, I'm against world government the new world order and corporate governance. Are you blackrock is mainly allied with communist China

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and

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So if the United States disengages internationally

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It allows the chai comms and others to now control this international umbrella that's transferred our money into it

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So I want to get rid of world government. I want to get rid of corporate governance and

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Stakeholder capitalism and bring back free market laws a fair

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Teddy Roosevelt type ideas. Hmm, but I

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Go ahead. I

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think that I

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think I think that

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You know

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We all know the media lies and if we know they lie about current events and what's going on right before our very eyes

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We can all assume that they've lied ten times a hundred times a thousand times more about history

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Okay, are you lying about that people claiming that George Soros is somehow allied with communist China when he?

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Stated that China is the greatest threat to his

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Hitler but he loved he's he paying until three years ago

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I'm not aware of that. I just know that a couple years ago

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He put I know I got videos of him saying China and Gigi pings the model little Gigi ping double-cross

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I'm sorry and Jackson. I can tell you're a smart guy. So I'm not talking down to you, but just don't talk down to us

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Just because America's run by scum

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Does it mean China is good or Russia is good?

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I mean you obviously can understand grasp that right this is so similar in tone and theme to the Kanye interview

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Yeah, this is a hey, there's a game being played. You're not playing ball, right?

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Yeah, there is a game and you're outside it and you're very clearly talking about me

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Yeah, when you're saying people say that George Soros is a lot that is me

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I am the people who say that I am all of the people who say that all the people who say that say that because

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I am the people who now I had a clip of him saying this years ago, and he's got double-crossed

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And so now I have evolved the narrative. You understand me. My storyline is different now

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Get on the story train my man. Let's go. Yeah, I would be annoyed too. I'm very annoyed

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Yeah, ankle is a very annoying person. He's not he's not pleasant. Mm-hmm

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But again, that's part of the brand, you know

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You agitate people you annoy them and it makes them post hateful things about you and that drives more attention to you

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And you know, yeah, you know, no bad press is actually now no bad press, you know

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Oh, no bad press is the best thing that you get it used to be that same statement wasn't really true

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It was kind of ironically presented as though like haha

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You did want to be famous and now this is what you get to go along with it

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Yeah, and now it's like haha. We have defeated you concept of irony humanity won irony zero

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so Jackson brings up Alexander Dugan and

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All right, Alex, of course famously gotten a ward from him after the 2016 election where Dugan called him the greatest American

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Man doesn't Alex cried on Russian TV. How's Hinkle doing? Um, I think he read one of his books

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Okay, and he likes Dugan cuz he loves Russia. He was a big Russia guy

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So weird Jackson Hinkle loves the Putin. I just don't understand loving any country for any reason

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Mm-hmm. Just doesn't make any sense to me loves it. You're insane. He does. It's all pretend. He loves it

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Oh my god. Anyway, this doesn't go great. Okay, bring up the Dugan. All right

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Alexander Dugan talks about the great awakening versus the great. We Alexander Dugan

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You and I both did the exact same thing

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I'm not gonna let him off the hook for that

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fake accented prick

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All right, let's serve okay, we could start okay, okay, okay

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Alexander Dugan talks about the great awakening versus the great we reset

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There is a great awakening happening in a lot of these right populous movement inside of Europe

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I just pray that they that they're successful and they can take it to the end of the you know

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The touchdown line the finish line. Well, I've interviewed

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I'm not trying to attack you Jackson Hinkle, but I've interviewed Dugan and I've been on other shows with him and

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You said earlier. You don't know I'm a Christian but you're a listener. I am a extreme Christian

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I'm a follower of Christ. Well, I meant to say Orthodox Christian. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I don't know if you're an Orthodox

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Well, I'm worth it. That's what belongs to the West Dugan does not like the Atlantean model

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I'm not an Atlantis and Atlantean, but I also think the West has things offer. I don't actually want war with Russia

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Dugan believes there's gonna be a

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War between sea powers and the land power and that Russia will come out on top

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But I actually don't want to have a supremacist view actually want to work with Russia

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So you're here saying you want a unified or less, but you're mentioning intellectual leaders of this stuff

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I'm actually bringing you up what they're saying

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So do you think Russia's gonna win the war against America because I don't I don't stand for that

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I stand for America and Russia working together

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Well, I mean I've read a lot of Dugan's works and

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You know, especially his most recent works

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He talks about how Trump is an inspiring figure and how Trump should work to rebuild America

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And he loves Trump and he loves the American people

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So, I don't know what you're referring to with that, but I think that Dugan is really interesting for a number of reasons

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I mean sure he might theorize that Russia is going to defeat the United States

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But I mean, can you disagree when you look at Joe Biden and what this country's doing?

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I just blew his daughter up and killed her. So the CIA never doesn't like him

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Yeah, I'm not saying dude. He's a patriot for his country and he's very intellectually honest and I think I think overall

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He's all the things. That's what you think. I

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Just I'm a nationalist, but I'm not I'm not a globalist and I'm not an internationalist, but the same time

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I'm just tired of conflict with all these countries and all I was bringing up is that he believes that Russia's an existential

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Struggle and that America will be defeated. Well America's already being defeated by globalists that have conquered us

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So I don't think America is the globalist. I want to rid ourselves of them. I

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I

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Agree with you. Oh, they found agreement. I

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Find this a little silly

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I'm find it all very silly. Yeah, I honestly just think that Alex's may be pissed that

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Dugan is using the exact same branding as he is

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Yeah as evidenced in this next clip if you read, you know in his book the Great Awakening versus the great reset

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He talks about these inspiring populist movements. That is the true great awakening that wants to rid our

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Countries of this deep state globalist cabal. I didn't even know I'm following him some I don't even know

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He had a book called The Great Awakening. My new book is called The Great Awakening. I

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Know I know

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Because you all are uncreative hacks. Yeah, you're all a bunch of shitbags. Yeah, how many fucking books are called the great reset?

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That was Alex's last book now. Apparently everyone's writing a book called The Great Awakening cuz that's where the grift is. That's where the scam

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Has gone that's where the attention is at. We're now looking for answers

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Here's here's why I go back to

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Jackson and Alex both have no idea what they're fucking talking about despite being on so many different debates or whatever

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it is is like whenever you're in a conversation like this, especially between idiots like these is

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When you're throwing around where it's like, I'm a nationalist. I'm a not this I'm at this

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I'm a not this you're not actually saying anything true

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You're giving the other person the opportunity to fill in the blank of what youth of what they think you mean

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When you say that word that is true in the same way that he when when Hinkle says I'm a the Trotskyites or Leninist or

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Communist or Marxist it's not it has nothing to do with the specifics of any of those and everything to do with the person

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You're talking to filling in where they think that you're going, right? Right. Yeah, so this is fucking stupid

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I think I mean, I think we both reached that conclusion

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slightly different

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Roots, but yes, this is very dumb. Yeah, this is I don't know if there's a stupidity to it

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Vapidity is a great word. Okay, you should use it more often. I should use it more

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So we have one last clip here. Okay, and I I did not watch this the video

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But I imagine what you're about to hear is Alex almost doing a spit take. Okay, this is now

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I mean, I've not heard this kind of a response necessarily from him

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I think when we there's a lot of people in the media and and well-meaning people also just average people who have been

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Have been lied to about what communism is because it is the greatest threat to the deep state

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And that's why they've lied about it for a hundred plus years

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Let's see what this kid has to say get over here that is that is the most like Wow

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communism is the greatest threat to the deep state that is the most I remember being like eight and going to see my

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Grandfather at a bar because that was the time when you could just do that

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You just walk in and I remember my grandfather just being like hey come over here and say that

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Stupid thing you said in front of my friends. That is exactly that sound. Oh, you're gonna say that again. Yeah

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Yeah, this is also a very clear instance of Jackson talking about Alex. Yeah to Alex's face

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Yeah

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And Alex does not not understand that a lot of people don't understand what communism is and have lied about or been lied to

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Well-meaning people Alex you're not bad for this. Yeah. Yeah, and Alex does not appreciate that

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But at the same time he has enough social media clout and shit

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Then Alex is willing to have this kind of pretend

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Repartee with him and and he invites him back to have like a we'll do one of these

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Commercial free Saturday shows. Yeah, you know the get real into it

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And I mean if they do that, I'd be interested in them actually talking about you know

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Maybe a little bit more depth to some of this

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Mmm, but the the the response he should have is violence

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Yeah, absolutely

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Response so much more aggressively and violently to people who agree or disagree much less

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Yeah, then this this is an affront to Alex

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Yes

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What Jackson is bringing to the table great and there are multiple instances the way we were seen where he's clearly talking about Alex to

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Alex. Yeah, which would be fun

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Sure, but are you insulting it? Well, yes, that's why it would be fun. Yeah, yeah cannot get over

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I don't know the star aspect of it or whatever the the the clout power or whatever cuz he he's not bringing himself to

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Be like the fuck out of here kid. Hi, you're 23 year old jack off

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I don't give a fuck about what you say when I started infowars you weren't born. Yeah punk

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Do you understand I talk to G Edward Griffin before he was a gray beard, right?

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Do you understand me?

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I I will say my dad was in the John Birch Society who's one of the smartest boys in Texas and the globalist have tried

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To recruit him multiple times. I was destined from birth by God to fight the devil

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Fuck you, you little prick, right?

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But that's that's like the ultimate sales trick though

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like once you if you start off off balance and then all of those things that a person is normally

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Capable of doing they're just always tiptoeing. They're always trying to get balance

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It's like wait, wait, you just said something that I completely don't agree with but I mean, I guess keep talking

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You know, that's the ultimate sales trick. It's a sales tactic

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It is 100% of sales tactic to just like start off on now

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We're on my ground, you know, the ultimate sales trick the devil ever pulled was convincing you there wasn't a 30% off

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You know what actually I'm gonna I'm not gonna tell you the truth what the MSRP

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It's actually lower than 31. Yeah, that's right. He's losing money off of this

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So yeah, I don't know. I think I was interested in seeing what this exchange was gonna be like as a little bit let down

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Yeah, as is our want I thought I thought there was a couple of moments of real interesting bizarre like that

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This is happening is bizarre. Yeah, the fact that they're talking about this stuff is bizarre

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And then just kind of just there's there's a feeling of punches being pulled

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But I'm not sure they are right

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You know in a couple of sincere actors having a conversation coming from the positions that Alex and Jackson are

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In order for it to end up like this there would need to be punches pulled

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Because otherwise they would have gone head-on into this confrontation. Sure that is inevitable between their two ideologies, right?

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and instead it was kind of blah it was kind of

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fell flat

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Yeah, I mean, I guess that's what it is when you

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You know like ultimately if you have two positions

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that you're you know, two people unwilling to compromise on no matter what then those positions must come into conflict and then what

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Results is what we've got left over. Mm-hmm, right like

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It is a it is like a revelation of how little you care about your position

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If you're standing next to somebody who is like we must

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Highlander duel to the death and you're like, I think you know, you've got some China should invade Taiwan

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Yeah, you're like, well, I mean, but you like Russia. I don't know how you feel man. I don't understand you

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I think like Alex would

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Throw someone out of the studio if they're like actually there are a lot of vaccines that are pretty fucking good

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Yeah, yeah into the volcano you go sacrifice

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I think China should take Taiwan. That's it. Yeah, you're an interesting guy. You got some interesting ideas

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I think it really is just about like I know that you're in a scam

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Environment. I know that's what you're doing Jackson. I know this is a grift

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but

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Listen up you have a lot of followers and you get a lot of retweets and stuff and I kind of would like a little

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bit of that gravity

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So we're gonna try and get you into the same game that I play in the same way that he's trying to massage

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Yay into into the game and I just I don't know. I don't think it's gonna work

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Yeah, you know it's the thing about the Sith taking an apprentice, right? The apprentice always tries to kill him

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Yeah, always

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100% of the time and I think not a good job and that's something that I actually think I

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loathsomely respect about Jax about the Sith

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Jackson like he has to know how desperate Alex is right now. Yeah

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Yeah, and how much he needs someone to fill Owen's shoes

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Yeah, he could easily have like ignored some of his actual positions

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Gone along sucked up like crazy and been hired that day. Yeah it info Wars

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Yeah, if he wanted to he could have done that and probably taken over the entire show. I mean just just Alex having a

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Well, I mean think about it like this for Alex as far as a business goes

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for

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But single-talent business also single idea business. No one has any ideas there

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so to have a show that would have a different idea of

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Perspective like a different set of conspiracies, you know like a different continuum

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I actually you know what? Here's here's what's not really fair about that

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What I bet there's some stuff on band dot video that's different than what Alex believes

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there is enough like ding-dong channels with like a hundred views on their videos that I'm sure there are some people who

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believe things that are polar opposite about I mean

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Alex probably believes that ants have some ideas that he doesn't agree with too and he doesn't care

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You know like that kind of the way he treats people who don't have a million views on some of you

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So sure, he's chill with ants. That's a good point. That is a good point

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No, I think I think if that would be a way for Alex to have two shows

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Is have somebody who is a maga communist he would lose his support from the audience

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By having him how host one of the shows I think I think that having a communist on his network would I would take that

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Bet at this point. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, why weren't you taking that bet? Yeah

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I mean you're falling apart anyway. Yeah, why not? It's a great bet

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but see that's the thing I'm saying about Jackson is that like he could have done that and yet stuck to his

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His brand true and there is something to be said for that in as much as like he's not compromising for the sake of very easily

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You know coming in and fucking with Alex's shit, and that's why Alex should hire him

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You know what

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I'm sold. It's not gonna happen. Let's get the paperwork going. It's too good an idea for it to happen

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Well, we'll see we will see if Jackson comes back for a nice little Saturday. Oh my god at some point

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I hope he hosts the fourth hour. Oh

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Yeah, good. Give him that on Benjamin

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But you know we'll be back until then though we have a website indeed we do it's knowledge fight calm

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Yep, we're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. Yep. We'll be back. But until then I'm neo

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I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clark. I did

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These are the sounds of frustration what's the bit the sounds of frustration about not having a bit are the bit is the bit

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plural

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And now here comes the sex robots Andy in Kansas you're on the air, thanks for holding

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Oh Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you